From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 03:17:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C760106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:17:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D130C8FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n742k6f2086279; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:46:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:46:06 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090712 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org, ctm-announce@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:17:56 -0000 I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. There may be ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end. My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who wants to take it over? I should add that my system administrator is tremendously supportive towards the FreeBSD project, and I am sure that he would be a big help to finding ways to keep CTM going, if it turns out that enough people really need it. But I don't want to go through that headache if there aren't enough people to warrant its continued existence. Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users. Thanks, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 03:32:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D442106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihemail4.lucent.com (ihemail4.lucent.com [135.245.0.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFEA8FC16 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (h135-1-218-53.lucent.com [135.1.218.53]) by ihemail4.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id n743Hv0d011614 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.42.184]) by ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (8.13.8/emsr) with ESMTP id n743HtQP019116 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.12.154]) by insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n743I0if001458 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:18:00 +1000 (EST) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n743HrpG062094 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:17:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n743Hral062093 for ctm-users@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:17:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:17:53 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uc35eWnScqDcQrv5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:32:19 -0000 --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their= =20 >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who= =20 >wants to take it over? I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server at home and mail it to work. As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to do so but would appreciate some more details: - How much disk space is required? - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated box, what CPU/RAM does it have? - What are the bandwidth requirements? - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? --=20 Peter Jeremy --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp3qGEACgkQ/opHv/APuIdvgACgj0bPnSMxOiycArX84cb87GSD XjkAn0uHEGelhQr2sUj3nXwR7s3njM15 =D0t8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uc35eWnScqDcQrv5-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 04:04:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2029106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9803E8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74440o8086849; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:04:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:03:59 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090712 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:04:03 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their >> updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who >> wants to take it over? > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. I use CTM for synchronization, just as you do. > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would > probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server > at home and mail it to work. It might be more efficient to use CVSUP at home, and then synchronize with work using rsync over vpn (that is, if you have vpn available to you). > > As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to > do so but would appreciate some more details: > - How much disk space is required? ?????? I am doing a "du -s" right now, but the directory structure of the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to finish. For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less than 10G. > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. But the big bottleneck is the hard drive. When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities (like surfing the web). Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this happens 3 times a day. I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes a huge difference. Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur. > - What are the bandwidth requirements? You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that ftp-master can fetch the deltas. The big deltas are the cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are created about once per month. > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, using sendmail. The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. It does this about every 4 hours. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 06:10:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7B41065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:10:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DED8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:10:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by david.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n746Ant6031995; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:10:49 +0200 Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.40.130]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n746Antt010743; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:10:49 +0200 Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) id n746An1X073867; Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:10:49 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> X-Echelon: X-Advice: Drop that crappy M$-Outlook, I'm tired of your viruses! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org, Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:10:53 -0000 On Mon, 03-Aug-2009 at 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >... > > ?????? I am doing a "du -s" right now, but the directory structure of > the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to > finish. For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less > than 10G. > > > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? > > I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. > But the big bottleneck is the hard drive. > > When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time > it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities > (like surfing the web). Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this > happens 3 times a day. I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes > a huge difference. Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur. Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked out and compared to the former version. So if one got three disks: 1. holding the cvs Repository 2. checked out version #1 3. checked out version #2 things might get a big boost. > > > - What are the bandwidth requirements? > > You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that > ftp-master can fetch the deltas. The big deltas are the > cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are > created about once per month. One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-). Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day. > > > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? > > The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, > using sendmail. How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur. Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well connected if we could arrange something... Thanks, -Andre > > The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. > It does this about every 4 hours. > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with Windows. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 06:16:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BE4106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009F48FC20 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by david.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n745rBxR021472; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:53:12 +0200 Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.40.130]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n745rBBS027939; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:53:11 +0200 Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) id n745rB5m073800; Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:53:11 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> X-Echelon: X-Advice: Drop that crappy M$-Outlook, I'm tired of your viruses! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org, Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:16:01 -0000 On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > >wants to take it over? > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. Same here ;-) > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which applies the deltas and filters out changes and local modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-). A few years ago, there was some disruption in the delta generation and I had to use CVSup at home and carry stuff over at work temporarily. It was a big hack and luckily delta generation was restored. This showed me how much I loved CTM ;-). If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss it heavily for sure. Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM! -Andre > probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server > at home and mail it to work. > > As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to > do so but would appreciate some more details: > - How much disk space is required? > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? > - What are the bandwidth requirements? > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? > > -- > Peter Jeremy From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 10:34:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A981065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jvk-ctm@thekrafts.org) Received: from smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0334D8FC17 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jvk-ctm@thekrafts.org) Received: (qmail 5658 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 10:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.98.198.9) by smtpauth17.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.29) with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2009 10:08:10 -0000 From: "Joe Kraft" To: References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> In-Reply-To: <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01ca14eb$6214a270$263de750$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoUyw4LTttYeOU2QG27xRKHQDDFOQAHlbxQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: RE: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:34:52 -0000 > On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > > >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > > >wants to take it over? > > > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. > > Same here ;-) Me too. No access through the firewall at work to run CVSup or FTP so e-mail is the way to go. > > > > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would > > Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which > applies the deltas and filters out changes and local > modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-). > > If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss > it heavily for sure. > Occasionally I drop an e-mail and have to transfer something manually from home and it's a PITA for sure. > Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM! > > -Andre My thanks also. Joe. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 11:06:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73B9106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark.jacobs@custserv.com) Received: from linsmtp.tcs.timeinc.com (post.customersvc.com [209.251.192.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903B18FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:06:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark.jacobs@custserv.com) Received: from bc008988.tcs.timeinc.com (unknown [10.176.156.68]) by linsmtp.tcs.timeinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561EE6A5CE for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A780EE2.9030909@custserv.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:35:14 -0400 From: Mark Jacobs Organization: Time Customer Service User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CTM Usage X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mark.jacobs@custserv.com List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:06:29 -0000 I use it for my updates since I can't get a port open in our corporate firewall for csup. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL ---- You can have any kind of a home you want. You can even get stucco. Oh, how you can get stucco. Groucho Marx - The Cocoanuts (1929) From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 14:26:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C521065799 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=4UWUYt82=D4=sahp7083.sandia.gov=tvrusso@sandia.gov) Received: from sentry-three.sandia.gov (sentry-three.sandia.gov [132.175.109.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268CA8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=4UWUYt82=D4=sahp7083.sandia.gov=tvrusso@sandia.gov) X-WSS-ID: 0KNUVBN-08-97W-02 X-M-MSG: Received: from sentry.sandia.gov (mm03snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.20]) by sentry-three.sandia.gov (Tumbleweed MailGate 3.6.1) with ESMTP id 296098B4F78; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:09:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [132.175.109.1] by sentry.sandia.gov with ESMTP (SMTP Relay 01 (Email Firewall v6.3.2)); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:09:14 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 6BFC7783-7E22-49B4-B610-66D6BE496C0E Received: from sahp7083.sandia.gov (sahp7083.sandia.gov [134.253.246.9]) by mailgate.sandia.gov (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n74E9DDo022224; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:09:14 -0600 Received: from sahp7083.sandia.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sahp7083.sandia.gov (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n74E9E1I084567; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tvrusso@sahp7083.sandia.gov) Received: (from tvrusso@localhost) by sahp7083.sandia.gov ( 8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n74E9EYU084566; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tvrusso) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:09:14 -0600 From: "Tom Russo" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" Message-ID: <20090804140914.GC95912@winston.sandia.gov> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-PMX-Version: 5.5.7.378829, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.8.4.135716 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' BODY_SIZE_1200_1299 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __C230066_P5 0, __CD 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FRAUD_419_CONTACT_NUM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' X-TMWD-Spam-Summary: TS=20090804140916; ID=1; SEV=2.3.1; DFV=B2009080411; IFV=NA; AIF=B2009080411; RPD=5.03.0010; ENG=NA; RPDID=7374723D303030312E30413031303230352E34413738343130432E303044433A534346535441543838363133332C73733D312C6667733D30; CAT=NONE; CON=NONE; SIG=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAfQ== X-MMS-Spam-Filter-ID: B2009080411_5.03.0010 X-WSS-ID: 66669E804LK2439704-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tvrusso@sandia.gov List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:26:34 -0000 On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:46:06PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer > that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. There may be > ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end. > > My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > wants to take it over? I still depend on CTM at work, where I can't do CVSup due to restrictive firewall and no chance of getting it opened up for this purpose. -- Thomas Russo * tvrusso@sandia.gov * Tel: (505) 844-8644 Dept 1437, Electrical & Microsystems Modeling * FAX: (505) 284-5451 Mail Stop 0316, Sandia National Laboratories * PAGE: (505) 540-2860 Albuquerque, NM 87185-0316 * CELL: (505) 469-0161 Give a man a program and you frustrate him for a day. Teach him to program and you frustrate him for life. --- Anonymous EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST Sandia is a multiprogram laboratory operated for the United States Department of Energy by Sandia Corporation, a Lockheed Martin Company. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 15:21:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BA81065672 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741CF8FC30 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from [128.206.184.213] (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74FLkoD090928 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:21:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:21:46 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090713 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ctm-users@freebsd.org References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:21:47 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer > that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. I had more conversations with my systems administrator. 1. This "firewall" will not come into effect for several months, so there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out. 2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync server, to which I copy the files. Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? Thanks, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 16:09:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BC1106568F for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B528FC1B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:09:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A3ABA.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.58.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n74Fj2XV060520 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:45:03 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n74Fivbj026633 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:44:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74FkWbJ049003 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:46:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200908041546.n74FkWbJ049003@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:09:14 MDT." <20090804140914.GC95912@winston.sandia.gov> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:46:32 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:09:24 -0000 I use & like CTM 'cos it's effecient push technology, whereas CVSup is pull technology. With increasingly common cheap flat rate DSL / fast connections, that's less important to more end users than once it was. But I guess for those who may touch base briefly with a laptop, then whizz off traveling somewhere, it could still be a bonus there too. Plus if we ever really got mainstream interest in BSD, CVSup servers wouldnt scale well to supply 100 times more clients, whereas CTM to 100 times more recipients would make little difference. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 22:08:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729A7106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319478FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (h135-1-218-53.lucent.com [135.1.218.53]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id n74M81Vm009957; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:08:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.42.184]) by ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (8.13.8/emsr) with ESMTP id n74M7wDZ006720; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:08:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.12.154]) by insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n74M83B6026615; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:08:04 +1000 (EST) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74M7u2i004591; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:07:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n74M7ueL004590; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:07:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:07:56 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:08:02 -0000 --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >1. This "firewall" will not come into effect for several months, so=20 >there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out. That's good. >2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas= =20 >out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the=20 >deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I=20 >could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall.=20 >That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync=20 >server, to which I copy the files. > >Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? I'd suggest writing to admin@freebsd.org and/or hubs@freebsd.org and discuss it with them. On 2009-Aug-03 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync.=20 >It does this about every 4 hours. Ths disk I/O would be a nuisance but that point rules me out - my ISP's AUP doesn't allow me to run servers. --=20 Peter Jeremy --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp4sTwACgkQ/opHv/APuIf3DACcDCflhOBIbeB51R0eVXf+oasQ WMQAn3dIsWjIcgSHJX+JXoCy35tutsr5 =fCOz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 22:55:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76AF106567B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878DF8FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74Mtv6j093504; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:55:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A78BC7D.1030507@missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:55:57 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090712 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:56:00 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> 2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas >> out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the >> deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I >> could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. >> That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync >> server, to which I copy the files. >> >> Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? > > I'd suggest writing to admin@freebsd.org and/or hubs@freebsd.org and > discuss it with them. I have sent a message to freebsd-hubs, and I am awaiting a reply. Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 23:00:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD4A106567D for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7396D8FC2E for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74N0TRA093550; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:00:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:00:29 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090712 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Albsmeier References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> In-Reply-To: <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:00:33 -0000 Andre Albsmeier wrote: > Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work > over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the > delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked > out and compared to the former version. So if one got three > disks: > > 1. holding the cvs Repository > 2. checked out version #1 > 3. checked out version #2 > > things might get a big boost. I have actually tried this, and it did help a little. But switching from PATA to SATA made the biggest difference. And if I had some kind of RAID, it would help enormously. > One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur > and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just > my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-). The src-cur (which I actually use myself) puts rather little extra overhead on the system. It is like another stable branch. The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of time. > Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day. > >>> - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? >> The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, >> using sendmail. > > How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an > idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur. > > Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well > connected if we could arrange something... > > Thanks, > > -Andre > >> The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. >> It does this about every 4 hours. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 00:06:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0414106568B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3D58FC1B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: from ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (h135-1-218-53.lucent.com [135.1.218.53]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id n7505xfp003030; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:05:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.42.184]) by ihrh1.emsr.lucent.com (8.13.8/emsr) with ESMTP id n7505rVL018062; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:05:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.12.154]) by insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n7505vvn027644; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:58 +1000 (EST) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7505pjc005330; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7505oL4005329; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com.au) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:50 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:06:01 -0000 --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I=20 >discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of= =20 >time. Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out anything I want. Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. --=20 Peter Jeremy --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp4zN4ACgkQ/opHv/APuIfwVQCcDymcCfLUEIXkaEG6X0248/lm YSoAoIwt8lrcpQ+GKK0To/mixFc1zoZc =5Bj+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CD81065672 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673C98FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7513KJe094165; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:03:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4A78DA58.5060904@missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:03:20 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090712 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:03:23 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I >> discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of >> time. > > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most > convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out > anything I want. I'll keep cvs-cur. > > Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each > of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. Someday, perhaps, I'll do this as well. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 08:51:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3519B106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aehlig@linta.de) Received: from linta.de (isilmar.linta.de [213.133.102.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D708FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aehlig@linta.de) Received: (qmail 12834 invoked by uid 1006); 5 Aug 2009 08:24:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:24:18 +0200 From: "Klaus T. Aehlig" To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20090805082418.GA12771@isilmar.linta.de> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:51:01 -0000 Dear Stephen, > My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > updates? I guess I'm not technically depending on CTM, as I'm sure I might be able to find other ways of achieving the same goal. Nevertheless I am using CTM, as it is the most convenient way and the one best suited to my needs. So I certainly don't want to lose CTM. Is there anything I can do to help keep it going? Best, Klaus PS: > Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as > well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users. Please CC me on direct replies, as I'm not subscribed to ctm-users. From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 10:38:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED007106568D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CB18FC22 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A7ED5.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.126.213]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n75Acdu9079319; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:38:43 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75AcTiM034040; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:38:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n75AdkVd063850; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:40:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Peter Jeremy From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:05:50 +1000." <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:39:46 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:38:52 -0000 > >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur > as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 10:44:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73771065680 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [192.35.17.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220E88FC29 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andre.Albsmeier@siemens.com) Received: from mail3.siemens.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n75AiXWj000474; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:44:33 +0200 Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.40.130]) by mail3.siemens.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n75AiXEj024181; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:44:33 +0200 Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) id n75AiW03080651; Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:44:32 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-ID: <20090805104432.GA1670@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Echelon: X-Advice: Drop that crappy M$-Outlook, I'm tired of your viruses! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: ctm-users@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you still want CTM? X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:44:39 -0000 On Wed, 05-Aug-2009 at 12:39:46 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. > > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most > > My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur It seems we have to stick with all of them. My prefs, also in order with the most important first, would be: src-X (where X are the -STABLE branches), ports-cur, src-cur -Andre > > > as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. > > Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites. > > Cheers, > Julian