From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 14:39:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD1B1065675 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:39:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from lisbon.directrouter.com (lisbon.directrouter.com [72.249.30.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5E08FC13 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by lisbon.directrouter.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfEjV-0008FZ-1N for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:39:33 -0600 Received: from 82.111.203.2 ([82.111.203.2]) by www.hmallett.co.uk (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:39:32 +0000 Message-ID: <20090305143932.2m5hub4n4w0swk0o@www.hmallett.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:39:32 +0000 From: Hywel Mallett To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lisbon.directrouter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hmallett.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:39:35 -0000 A few times in the past some people (notably the guys from rsync.net) have offered bounties to encourage FreeBSD development. These have usually been announced on the mailing lists, and if others want to offer their support, then they can, but maybe it's not as easy to collate all the information as it could be. Some research reveals that there is unlikely to be any official list of bounties, due to the legal status of FreeBSD. As a result, I decided to create a site where people can offer bounties, others can lend their support, and developers can be sign up to claim the bounties. At the moment it's still in the early stages, but hopefully it'll grow and prove to be a valuable resource for the FreeBSD community. Check it out at http://www.freebsdbounties.info All feedback is appreciated. Hywel (This message was sent to freebsd-chat yesterday, but I think it may have been munched by a spam filter. Apologies if it's a dupe.) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 17:35:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C322106566B for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from lisbon.directrouter.com (lisbon.directrouter.com [72.249.30.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E588FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from hmallett.plus.com ([81.174.158.104] helo=[192.168.0.10]) by lisbon.directrouter.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LexYJ-0001Cl-FQ for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:18:51 -0600 Message-Id: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> From: Hywel Mallett To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:18:50 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lisbon.directrouter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hmallett.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:35:19 -0000 Over the last year or so I've seen a few references to software bounties for FreeBSD, often with people commenting that there is no way for people to pledge their support (financial or otherwise), other than mailing lists and the like. I decided I would bite the bullet, so I'm announcing http://www.freebsdbounties.info It's very early in the site's lifecycle, but hopefully it will become a valuable resource. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 18:24:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83AA1065672 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com (n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.126.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 760E78FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 18:10:24 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 18:10:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 18:10:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 221478.78657.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39678 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 18:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.221?) (matt@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 18:10:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fH9MYGAVM1kZDLDIyuI5ZClXY_ODtcZrOanR5kev80Yg1eGbHaySzMVpbbgNt5VpSg1bYObyuL5zyG1CtEgl7t6c9jjD6eobUsni8XP6gDLr6fUEhtlD6jDFrMLZP9Uz0m4REpnksgRCPCbbhutXjSOQX59ezFgwdOCu1axyX765_HUVR5sTgiPBIcE2ACw5rFvi7xmkcrX8ngTYb7EDIo4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <6F04DAF2-203D-43AD-8AA2-7FBAA0033222@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: Hywel Mallett In-Reply-To: <20090305143932.2m5hub4n4w0swk0o@www.hmallett.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:10:22 -0800 References: <20090305143932.2m5hub4n4w0swk0o@www.hmallett.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: FreeBSD Chat , melanie@pcbsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:24:19 -0000 On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Hywel Mallett wrote: > A few times in the past some people (notably the guys from > rsync.net) have offered bounties to encourage FreeBSD development. > These have usually been announced on the mailing lists, and if > others want to offer their support, then they can, but maybe it's > not as easy to collate all the information as it could be. > > Some research reveals that there is unlikely to be any official list > of bounties, due to the legal status of FreeBSD. > > As a result, I decided to create a site where people can offer > bounties, others can lend their support, and developers can be sign > up to claim the bounties. > > At the moment it's still in the early stages, but hopefully it'll > grow and prove to be a valuable resource for the FreeBSD community. > > Check it out at http://www.freebsdbounties.info > > All feedback is appreciated. > > Hywel Hello Hywel! Awesome! The interesting thing is that I was just typing an email last night to ask for contributions and volunteers on a similar idea and site but I fell asleep! Perhaps we're destined to combine forces ;-) We've got a site in development called www.SponsorBSD.org where sponsors can post a project, and other people can contribute financially towards the bounty. Multiple developers can then sign up for that project and contribute code that is viewable by all via web cvs or that remains private in case of closed bounties. A founding sponsor, team leader, or admin can then divvy the bounty up to the contributors based on effort or selected solution. All it needs is perhaps a little design love, some minimal PHP programming, and a bit of testing. Mail isn't setup yet but it will still allow registrations. We'll get the mail setup this weekend. I've cc'd Melanie, from the PC-BSD Project, as she's volunteered to help get the word out and coordinate volunteers. If you're interested in contributing, please send Melanie an email. Hywel, I'll contact you off list about potentially teaming up! best, -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:23:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37B010656D3 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FFB8FC1D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so73040ywt.13 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:23:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=mB38nNjI8VJu8PzGZjOZaQB4X93pW2wuqSIwr065I/o=; b=heCKhxGGy841hSB8EfIruvQl3VfsmxJij8zynnyfUTQAN6AlHjN3ZGzfqEzV51Chcf XL6qumj2ZK9KG0Qac4ocd6ijr+Xn4E1BQrf5TzC6Z8ifmHUXGXxGSiIbDMBNSXzv490S je4iPQ9O95IVWf+E6IDprep6nAvGbruP90nJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=uKofHoj7TZUkINTvdotvFqO9EyY+C+RBJzsul+tJbwM3M5FXh3uYNsR9SQiT6Rmh34 1nXCu5XP2xhm1NyL2Lx7dQN9tzEOPGq9fGl2JbK8vExaOH0lgUrwcBu1gf5kEEAszeAp vJC4888/3HloSCVtFaOvn1/nWhHZJskq1nYVM= Received: by 10.142.72.4 with SMTP id u4mr674492wfa.216.1236283175541; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? (c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm527250wfi.21.2009.03.05.11.59.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:59:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:59:58 -0800 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070501020508000505020303" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:23:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070501020508000505020303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get "flash 9 on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people will want to add bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like 300 and as time passes it will be a million dollars or such but I don't think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the work, its that places like adobe has closed its software so that we can't really create anything. Hywel Mallett wrote: > Over the last year or so I've seen a few references to software > bounties for FreeBSD, often with people commenting that there is no > way for people to pledge their support (financial or otherwise), other > than mailing lists and the like. > I decided I would bite the bullet, so I'm announcing > http://www.freebsdbounties.info > It's very early in the site's lifecycle, but hopefully it will become > a valuable resource. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --------------070501020508000505020303-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:46:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A071065676 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from lisbon.directrouter.com (lisbon.directrouter.com [72.249.30.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4F38FC20 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:46:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hywel@hmallett.co.uk) Received: from hmallett.plus.com ([81.174.158.104] helo=[192.168.0.10]) by lisbon.directrouter.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfKSW-0008W2-68; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:46:24 -0600 Message-Id: From: Hywel Mallett To: james michael In-Reply-To: <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:46:22 +0000 References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lisbon.directrouter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hmallett.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:46:27 -0000 On 5 Mar 2009, at 19:59, james michael wrote: > I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get > "flash 9 on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people will > want to add bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like 300 and > as time passes it will be a million dollars or such but I don't > think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the work, its > that places like adobe has closed its software so that we can't > really create anything. The scope of a bounty could be far wider than to get proprietary software to work with FreeBSD. It just happens that the two bounties so far are for compatibility with proprietary softwares. For example, UFS quotas hadn't been updated to take account of large filesystems, so a bounty was offered, the fixes were made, and the bounty was claimed. The changes have gone back into the FreeBSD source (I think - they were certainly due to), so the FreeBSD project has benefited, and the bounty offerer and bounty hunter have benefited too. Of course if there's not enough incentive for some things, or they are too hard or simply unfeasible, they won't happen. But bear in mind that bounties do get offered, and they do get fulfilled. Hywel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:51:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6376106566C for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91AE28FC13 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:45:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 848546.80546.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16382 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.221?) (matt@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 20:45:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ymcom7gVM1mAoH7u0GzOj8eaWlzw8FEzKkSGxMAcBCk61unmx4fIJop4KgDeJiF.N7_pVYC5Rp364BfWwNpgDYe_5rG31IdQhQkNEPJ6uuVxTemI_9tkFTxpqLrNYzNvy1WNip1AVhPW1ZnxpMyvZsbqLlu4zbH6NoklPNIKrbNZ.3T59fCCwESi7sQIn6c- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: From: Matt Olander To: Nicole In-Reply-To: <30413.83143.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:45:42 -0800 References: <30413.83143.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: Hywel Mallett , FreeBSD Chat , melanie@pcbsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:51:45 -0000 On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Nicole wrote: > > --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Matt Olander wrote: >> From: Matt Olander >> Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! >> To: "Hywel Mallett" >> Cc: "FreeBSD Chat" , melanie@pcbsd.org >> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:10 AM >> On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Hywel Mallett wrote: >> >>> A few times in the past some people (notably the guys >> from rsync.net) have offered bounties to encourage FreeBSD >> development. These have usually been announced on the >> mailing lists, and if others want to offer their support, >> then they can, but maybe it's not as easy to collate all >> the information as it could be. >>> >>> Some research reveals that there is unlikely to be any >> official list of bounties, due to the legal status of >> FreeBSD. >>> >>> As a result, I decided to create a site where people >> can offer bounties, others can lend their support, and >> developers can be sign up to claim the bounties. >>> >>> At the moment it's still in the early stages, but >> hopefully it'll grow and prove to be a valuable resource >> for the FreeBSD community. >>> >>> Check it out at http://www.freebsdbounties.info >>> >>> All feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> Hywel >> >> Hello Hywel! >> >> Awesome! The interesting thing is that I was just typing an >> email last night to ask for contributions and volunteers on >> a similar idea and site but I fell asleep! Perhaps we're >> destined to combine forces ;-) >> >> We've got a site in development called >> www.SponsorBSD.org where sponsors can post a project, and >> other people can contribute financially towards the bounty. >> Multiple developers can then sign up for that project and >> contribute code that is viewable by all via web cvs or that >> remains private in case of closed bounties. A founding >> sponsor, team leader, or admin can then divvy the bounty up >> to the contributors based on effort or selected solution. >> >> All it needs is perhaps a little design love, some minimal >> PHP programming, and a bit of testing. >> >> Mail isn't setup yet but it will still allow >> registrations. We'll get the mail setup this weekend. >> I've cc'd Melanie, from the PC-BSD Project, as >> she's volunteered to help get the word out and >> coordinate volunteers. If you're interested in >> contributing, please send Melanie an email. >> >> Hywel, I'll contact you off list about potentially >> teaming up! >> >> best, >> -matt >> > > Hello Matt > > A suggestion I would like to toss out to possible add to the site, > is to expand and make easier to find, the pages that lists > developers and their wish-list needs, plus allow for people to list > things other than money they may want to offer to FreeBSD > supporters. (Like a volunteer sign up page with what skills or > items they feel comfortable offering) > > Also, as has been shown throughout history, causes, projects, and > companies have greatly been able to attract more attention and money > when there is a central identifying person associated with it. > While I appreciate the need for and the work of the FreeBSD > foundation, I hope that at some time, some one can step in, step up > or frankly be drafted to be that person for FreeBSD (much as Jordon > Hubbard was some years ago) I hope that these projects can also > help with this faceless entity problem that FreeBSD has. > > For the part that it does not, I certainly nominate you, and ask > you, to perhaps help with this and through your efforts, perhaps > become more of a face of FreeBSD! I think at least some small > amount of Cult Of Personality would really help pull FreeBSD more > into the public, or at least techie, consciousness. Thanks Nicole! I've talked the iXsystems management team (of which I am a part) into acting as the escrow manager for any significant funds generated from the SponsorBSD site. I definitely agree that FreeBSD needs more marketing love and we have dedicated people on staff now to work towards that end. We are now up to over 12 large trade shows in the United States (plus BSDCan) a year with the "official" FreeBSD booth with backdrop, CDs, t- shirts, and promotional materials. The latest version of PC-BSD has over 770k downloads, many of which are brand new users to any type of BSD. We're formally launching the SpreadBSD.org site, where we'll keep the community abreast of our marketing plans and provide a repository of materials to present to new users, management, and enthusiasts. As always, volunteers welcome! Be well! -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:52:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818D41065686 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from n12b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n12b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.125.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 433A88FC1F for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 20:38:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 562157.10935.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 23803 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 20:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.221?) (matt@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 20:38:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S43CRqAVM1kM8yBk.ElBTaH1zz7DDqDUMm_TUXSbqxRILyLlSjcYshEKyzZNECZRb0SzTXknWR0yUXHjGH0kZkB4hV2h40q.MdxVq.8tr5tgrjje2Wi.jZqY20n1WdnvDxoxBUzPEa_TsFXoPj3DiFJy_nGDKo3QtWpMWvle5cgkw_U6Q4L_YArZZ3aYZ9i1sA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: From: Matt Olander To: james michael In-Reply-To: <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:38:29 -0800 References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:52:26 -0000 On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:59 AM, james michael wrote: > I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get > "flash 9 on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people will > want to add bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like 300 and > as time passes it will be a million dollars or such but I don't > think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the work, its > that places like adobe has closed its software so that we can't > really create anything. Actually, Flash9 on FreeBSD 7.x is working pretty good now with Linux emulation. In fact, the sound syncs up better on my default PC-BSD alpha box than on my mac! I'm watching entire episodes of Fringe on Hulu.com with no problems. Get it up to a million dollars and we'll just pay Adobe for the port ;-) I think the point for sites like this is having somewhere more formal to track projects, sponsors, and developers as it relates to monetary bounties. -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:57:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002EC1065676 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorloureirolima@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0ED8FC15 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorloureirolima@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so82460yxl.13 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:57:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zS1EHvJ1yl8s2XeSak95mtF0BtR3KRv4Rx0gcJnxQis=; b=j2DimcWDdbmpRPkq2+OHThVw6uErGCUDfSb9QN7r6DezfdSgbtbHqENKCVnRZCLyY1 F+QiINxutb7boWrp21SZ4TsaffQpEpJJaNC+Z+irUPWQSLFnl5gOyqqqQ0GaBvSU/XJ4 j27/ZwQHcotSmwbmbLHgWIwKUYjPWwhMu7WsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=MBqdM0/QufxuYEtWyMMlyTPyV3UwENp/Im3FJfKVCs95B4WFTN3+gVVamWVKMkOLk8 FkRxyqT+YTkH3u0K2owUru/nUMWryGOrblYeqDTSciM7Lvt7vjIUA36Oe0ZdcAhAlj7z zdPnT2OrA2yL6f6DoGBI9k/0+o1ywlSytIPVc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.78.12 with SMTP id f12mr2915309ybl.67.1236284897175; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:28:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:28:17 -0300 Message-ID: From: Victor Loureiro Lima To: james michael Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:57:05 -0000 Well, for something like Adobe Flash Player maybe this could be true, but what if I want to be able to use my old and unsupported Network Card on FreeBSD, maybe there are people willing to pay something for that... I mean, just because something isnt working as expected in all directions that doesnt mean it is completelly useless. cheers, Victor Lima 2009/3/5 james michael > I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get "flash 9 > on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people will want to add > bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like 300 and as time passes it > will be a million dollars or such but I don't think the problem is that > people aren't willing to do the work, its that places like adobe has closed > its software so that we can't really create anything. > > Hywel Mallett wrote: > >> Over the last year or so I've seen a few references to software bounties >> for FreeBSD, often with people commenting that there is no way for people to >> pledge their support (financial or otherwise), other than mailing lists and >> the like. >> I decided I would bite the bullet, so I'm announcing >> http://www.freebsdbounties.info >> It's very early in the site's lifecycle, but hopefully it will become a >> valuable resource. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 21:05:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4240106564A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3178FC16 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so117608rvb.43 for ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=GJdWLwl/Fjp5IgauyPPsyd5tBLudfxr0ObE/bab9JGc=; b=X0VCNgEQRWCVUIQE87Ir3438P720LUka8clrYpgA5Bw8AzmGbfxBPKFNL4iuPwgc1G aRWLjlBkmeTWF+Ta2aMh8R038t6etdWZ2foV7S9Koj9/OCNgIuYPnIB96rqvl5T93a6f R1q2A/1L1rLyTkDNYO+/cIM8eQw7clsNzNvF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=UjR6tQbSoK9ckVvrpVn1cTirDhCnkLoyZtDRlg4VnB3PxFa634TMagV0c3EHp3nTU5 zq2UlfeSGEVwiOQEW3rumHQwe9d46Jfj/9iCw76stFHhStWqK0qDzI/O0mMCpdg5t6Bv U89JdystFYHKcHDFT8eEmul2b7U1Sc9S79D6k= Received: by 10.141.113.3 with SMTP id q3mr857917rvm.12.1236287145791; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? (c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm617454rvf.9.2009.03.05.13.05.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:06:08 -0800 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050403080603030607000403" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:05:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050403080603030607000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, well I guess I might have jumped the gun a bit. I can see how it could be useful. I don't really believe that open source software should have a price when it comes to drivers and things like that. There are a lot of sites like this one in the aspect of paying programmers to write software, none of them directed at any one OS. I don't see the point in directing this site to freebsd. All the freebsd drivers should be open source and Libra. Victor Loureiro Lima wrote: > Well, for something like Adobe Flash Player maybe this could be true, > but what if I want to be able to use my old and unsupported Network > Card on FreeBSD, maybe there are people willing to pay something for > that... I mean, just because something isnt working as expected in all > directions that doesnt mean it is completelly useless. > > cheers, > Victor Lima > > 2009/3/5 james michael > > > I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get > "flash 9 on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people > will want to add bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like > 300 and as time passes it will be a million dollars or such but I > don't think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the > work, its that places like adobe has closed its software so that > we can't really create anything. > > Hywel Mallett wrote: > > Over the last year or so I've seen a few references to > software bounties for FreeBSD, often with people commenting > that there is no way for people to pledge their support > (financial or otherwise), other than mailing lists and the like. > I decided I would bite the bullet, so I'm announcing > http://www.freebsdbounties.info > It's very early in the site's lifecycle, but hopefully it will > become a valuable resource. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing > list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > --------------050403080603030607000403-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 21:49:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B821106564A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:49:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rohit.x.tripathi@jpmchase.com) Received: from sj1.jpmchase.com (sj1.jpmchase.com [159.53.110.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F3A8FC1D for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rohit.x.tripathi@jpmchase.com) Received: from sf7.svr.bankone.net (sf7.svr.bankone.net [155.180.104.92]) by sj1.jpmchase.com (Switch-3.3.2/Switch-3.3.2) with ESMTP id n25LAo59013980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:10:50 -0500 Received: from se4.svr.bankone.net (se4.svr.bankone.net [155.180.234.125]) by sf7.svr.bankone.net (Switch-3.3.2/Switch-3.3.2) with ESMTP id n25LADSx005598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:10:13 -0500 X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.5.6 sf7.svr.bankone.net n25LADSx005598 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jpmchase.com; s=smtpout; t=1236287413; bh=bC5iex45Oocf3LPdwQU2EsGmjO9aGymjjKOonux kvgk=; h=From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=EkDUtZTEAsR 2UyFY4f+G7MFnHkzXOfmaWDHNTwBt/1x4H3KDB+U4Wywh4MZ2PZJDM9cggGPDn4xdWL fmWkE3DYg+oojU6e95BbQQKv6Udmeu44mAiro9Wrc2Cm+mSyuHvRZPip/t6Q5VOWrLi lhLnwmpfK5+3LtG3SyNVE/gZYk= Received: from jpmchase.com ([10.246.2.156]) by se4.svr.bankone.net (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id n25L8wDu008694; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:08:58 -0500 Received: from ([169.70.190.240]) by imb2.jpmchase.com with ESMTP with TLS id KP-BRCFP.115365405; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:04:57 -0500 Received: from HUBR103.exchad.jpmchase.net (169.70.190.242) by HUBCR102.exchad.jpmchase.net (169.70.190.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.336.0; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:08:26 -0500 Received: from EMARC03VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net ([169.254.1.200]) by HUBR103.exchad.jpmchase.net ([169.70.190.242]) with mapi; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:08:26 -0500 From: Rohit X Tripathi To: james michael , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:08:25 -0500 Thread-Topic: FreeBSD Bounties Thread-Index: Acmd1jisGZpxs/LVTuOQSYtIcXjtBQAAA53g Message-ID: References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:49:45 -0000 Looks like NY State is offering a (potential) bounty: http://assembly.state= .ny.us/leg/?bn=3DA06380&sh=3Dt -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org= ] On Behalf Of james michael Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 4:06 PM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties Hmm, well I guess I might have jumped the gun a bit. I can see how it could= be useful. I don't really believe that open source software should have a = price when it comes to drivers and things like that. There are a lot of sit= es like this one in the aspect of paying programmers to write software, non= e of them directed at any one OS. I don't see the point in directing this s= ite to freebsd. All the freebsd drivers should be open source and Libra. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 21:58:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A461065674 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8738FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0D9509C7; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:42:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uTA58wxafMjM; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:42:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84B96509B5 ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:42:28 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <49B04737.2080304@langille.org> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:42:15 -0500 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james michael References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:58:22 -0000 Please, do not top post. Thank you. james michael wrote: > Hmm, well I guess I might have jumped the gun a bit. I can see how it > could be useful. I don't really believe that open source software should > have a price when it comes to drivers and things like that. The software does not have a 'price'. The work does. If someone is paid to work on the software, and it is open source, why do you care? Many people are paid to work on open source software. Perhaps more than you are aware of. > There are a > lot of sites like this one in the aspect of paying programmers to write > software, none of them directed at any one OS. I don't see the point in > directing this site to freebsd. All the freebsd drivers should be open > source and Libra. It is directed at FreeBSD because the site owners wanted it so. They saw a need and are attempting to fill it. Quite simple. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 5 20:46:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD79106564A for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: from web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EF688FC13 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 20:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blabgoo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89446 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2009 20:19:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1236284393; bh=xvB6YvPQtR02cdb5AQrJUaioa2qHLEpU/0jZrSz2QMA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ig+JFboDQ/NvMcF1IXfNFoog34ILu2G2CvEOgh0c7eH81DWbQKoqcYIw9BLoaL9nI1/pIMXQCXYXPuHRiNBZ8V84vemDcPHcRgLEPQhwtAkmSaAblwqsxwRCeZ605YXA3DcE6lOvTn38xCxWCUPTiL61bR3IWWAD318b1OMaA30= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6fpYVT2B2fZIy0f2YVTovLiD3T8xzy47qfK3NUJS3Ca7X57TvjPgQNGyz8fxQ11YRdA9tt7AkYGdBcldTny7SBlst9PzwGJegqqG+hj1Sj+XOmQzJMfZ9I+EJzG8krPhtAw1T3+xAG6tFOO4k1v1Qj3Pte9YuEjl7FZQGe9koYk=; Message-ID: <30413.83143.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DMXOn7kVM1kYCCSt1XpOBgxExydAHjBd5ukn3ICp3UHLFMbUIAlc2mFVWl55yU08OkjYarZ53XXLhr11oRroZXXlanQWHj3GU3wpaSJp.08fJVvW7Yj5nXBj66lEHjuJnJJmYQwrZ9uWoc.1irzbSfH3R75MyQ.n_DNuBqhU2.ogIKOwIPrVYbf0r.pIMKQvHNHQHq8FVUDmpY83i.KWBklvCR4hRzN9 Received: from [99.4.72.57] by web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:19:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nicole To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <6F04DAF2-203D-43AD-8AA2-7FBAA0033222@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:19:46 +0000 Cc: Hywel Mallett , FreeBSD Chat , melanie@pcbsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:46:36 -0000 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Matt Olander wrote: > From: Matt Olander > Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! > To: "Hywel Mallett" > Cc: "FreeBSD Chat" , melanie@pcbsd.org > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:10 AM > On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Hywel Mallett wrote: > > > A few times in the past some people (notably the guys > from rsync.net) have offered bounties to encourage FreeBSD > development. These have usually been announced on the > mailing lists, and if others want to offer their support, > then they can, but maybe it's not as easy to collate all > the information as it could be. > > > > Some research reveals that there is unlikely to be any > official list of bounties, due to the legal status of > FreeBSD. > > > > As a result, I decided to create a site where people > can offer bounties, others can lend their support, and > developers can be sign up to claim the bounties. > > > > At the moment it's still in the early stages, but > hopefully it'll grow and prove to be a valuable resource > for the FreeBSD community. > > > > Check it out at http://www.freebsdbounties.info > > > > All feedback is appreciated. > > > > Hywel > > Hello Hywel! > > Awesome! The interesting thing is that I was just typing an > email last night to ask for contributions and volunteers on > a similar idea and site but I fell asleep! Perhaps we're > destined to combine forces ;-) > > We've got a site in development called > www.SponsorBSD.org where sponsors can post a project, and > other people can contribute financially towards the bounty. > Multiple developers can then sign up for that project and > contribute code that is viewable by all via web cvs or that > remains private in case of closed bounties. A founding > sponsor, team leader, or admin can then divvy the bounty up > to the contributors based on effort or selected solution. > > All it needs is perhaps a little design love, some minimal > PHP programming, and a bit of testing. > > Mail isn't setup yet but it will still allow > registrations. We'll get the mail setup this weekend. > I've cc'd Melanie, from the PC-BSD Project, as > she's volunteered to help get the word out and > coordinate volunteers. If you're interested in > contributing, please send Melanie an email. > > Hywel, I'll contact you off list about potentially > teaming up! > > best, > -matt > Hello Matt A suggestion I would like to toss out to possible add to the site, is to expand and make easier to find, the pages that lists developers and their wish-list needs, plus allow for people to list things other than money they may want to offer to FreeBSD supporters. (Like a volunteer sign up page with what skills or items they feel comfortable offering) Also, as has been shown throughout history, causes, projects, and companies have greatly been able to attract more attention and money when there is a central identifying person associated with it. While I appreciate the need for and the work of the FreeBSD foundation, I hope that at some time, some one can step in, step up or frankly be drafted to be that person for FreeBSD (much as Jordon Hubbard was some years ago) I hope that these projects can also help with this faceless entity problem that FreeBSD has. For the part that it does not, I certainly nominate you, and ask you, to perhaps help with this and through your efforts, perhaps become more of a face of FreeBSD! I think at least some small amount of Cult Of Personality would really help pull FreeBSD more into the public, or at least techie, consciousness. Be well. Nicole From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 6 13:46:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2EB1065670 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D18FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n26DkC30057917; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:46:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n26Dk9K5057916; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:46:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:46:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, james michael , Matt Olander In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:46:12 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, james michael , Matt Olander List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:46:15 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: > james michael wrote: > > I find this completely useless as a site. No one is going to get > > "flash 9 on freebsd with opera" for 200 dollars. I know people will > > want to add bounties to it and it will be like 250 then like 300 and > > as time passes it will be a million dollars or such but I don't > > think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the work, its > > that places like adobe has closed its software so that we can't > > really create anything. > > Actually, Flash9 on FreeBSD 7.x is working pretty good now with Linux > emulation. Unfortunately only with Firefox, and it's far from perfect. I tried to get Flash9 working the past few days with the latest RELENG_7 and the latest ports. This is on a UP i386 machine, so nothing special. - Native Opera: No go. It segfaults. - Linux Opera: Works somewhat, but hangs often, leaves lots of dead processes behind. Generally unusable. - Native Firefox3: Works most of the time. Problems with youtube (hangs quite often). Most other sites seem to work better. - Linux Firefox: Didn't try because the port is marked "forbidden" due to security issues. I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too often, fortunately. Certainly, I wouldn't mind if someone improved the existing nspluginwrapper to work better with native Opera, or write a new software from scratch that enables using Flash with native Opera. I might even add to the Bounty, although I can't really afford more than a two-digit figure. But then again, if a sufficiently large number of people added a small amount to the bounty, it might become attractive enough for a developer to look at it. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Perl is worse than Python because people wanted it worse. -- Larry Wall From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 6 15:43:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EF9106564A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:43:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84E58FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n26FThiT032975 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:29:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3nT17lNJVI80 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:29:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n26FTCh6032963 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:29:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <49B14148.40408@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:29:12 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:43:33 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > But then > again, if a sufficiently large number of people added a > small amount to the bounty, it might become attractive > enough for a developer to look at it. > > Best regards > Oliver And there's the winning point; since OS SW is community-based, it'd be *uber* nice to have the ability to "Add to this bounty" with a few clicks on this site. This would allow the community to "vote", as 'twere, with cash. Before you knew it, you might indeed have enough to make it worth someone's time to code $some_chore. My $5.00, Kevin Kinsey -- It is much harder to find a job than to keep one. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 00:44:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BEF106564A for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx03.dls.net (mx03.dls.net [216.145.245.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D338FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from [216.145.235.219] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx03.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lfk0Y-00087H-Ga; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:03:16 -0600 Message-ID: <49B1B9C9.5050501@emailrob.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:03:21 +0000 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:44:46 -0000 mr. fromme almost gets to the point that i am about to make. every so often, some one posts a complaint about another entity's browser. it can't do this, it can't do that, "blah, blah, woof, woof" [ the quote is from jimi hendrix; monterey, 1967, iirc ]. question: if the "browser_products" of other entities are --so-- problematic, just --how-- difficult would it be to "roll our own" ? note that this question is --not-- the same as asking how long it would take to code all of the whiz_bangs that the marketing_department_dweebs want to advertise. it doesn't have to do everything, but, what it does do must be done well; reliably, predictably. i would want it to do things "the bsd way", e. g., search by reg_ex. it would be totally divorced from anything "gnu". i don't care about animation [ images hog bandwidth, big_time ]. here is a concept about which i have fantasized for quite some time. i have been writing a book_keeping app that is designed to do certain things that i have not found to exist in any of the pre_fab, out_of_the_box, point_and_click thingies, which are available for purchase [ "ask about our multi_user_license program" ] at the big_box store. for quite some time, off_and_on, admittedly, i have been researching how to write a "browser". it is my understanding that, once i can recursively render tables, the rest is comparitively easy. i have not, just yet, figured_out how to do the secure_http thing [ this is where i am stalled ]. i want a program that, either, is or, to the outside_world, appears to be a "browser"_like thingy and which is --programmable--, so that it may, in co_ordination with my book_keeping app, log in to any account, >----> to which i am already authorized access, <----< such as my bank or my electric_utility, in the middle_of_the_night, while i am asleep, to down_load transaction_events or other postings, to up_load bill_payment schedulings or other instructions, so that i don't have to use my waking moments to do these routine, but, necessary, time_consuming chores. this is an example of the bsd approach, "routine tasks should be scripted". further, i want this "browser" to be a "logging" "browser", making a disk_copy of --every-- page that comes in, text, image, --everything--, so that i do not have to remember to "save" a copy of the page, even from so_called "secure" sites [ i have confidence in my ability to secure sensitive information and to manage log_files ]. to get to the topic of "bounties", it is with deep regret that i inform all readers that, "for the duration" of the global_economic_depression, presently being engineered by the american donkey political_party, with the able assistance of their front_man, the "magic_messiah" [ for whose failure, i pray several times per day ], i will be unable to supply any funds to the "bounty" program [ surely, there is a better word, isn't there ? ]. however, especially after the book_keeping app is working, i anticipate having more time available. as my bsd skills continually improve, my confidence in, one day, being able to make a credible contribution to the freebsd project improves commensurately. [ an aside to mr. stokely. regarding a dialogue in which you took part about a month ago, i am pleased to learn that your need is for author people, not mark_up people. i frequently find myself making copies of files, e. g., "man" pages or "info" docs, then, amending them to add examples or explanations, fix spelling, grammar and punctuation [ the comma is great for setting_off subordinate clauses ] errors, rewrite tortured phrasing and, sometimes, correct content errors. "fixing things" may be where i may be of initial service. as an example [ this one is current ], have any of you ever tried to teach yourself m4(1), with only the "man" page available ? i wanted a general_purpose macro_instruction processor. on faith, i assumed that "m4" wouldn't be included, if it wasn't useful. further, i assumed that it was a "current" tool, because, if "m4" was a "legacy" tool, another tool, "for new designs", would exist. i had never before been able to make "m4" work "right", but, this time, considering the above reasoning, i decided to stick with it for more than a few hours [ now, i know why: i am line_oriented ]. having some initial success, i kept at it, grumbling frequently [ if it hadn't been for the "-dV" option, i would, probably, have given_up --very-- early on; the quoting approach is --not-- intuitively obvious ]. i went three full weeks before i discovered that the "info" doc is in "/usr/local", not "/usr/share", where i had found the "cc" and "as" "info" docs. "make" was with it [ surprise ! ]. shouldn't those all be in one place ? to make things worse, the "man" page and the "info" doc assume --opposite-- defaults. further, the "info" doc describes feat^H^H^H^Hcharacteristics which, in fact, do not exist [ perhaps, stallman recruited that author from a redmond marketing firm ]. after several more weeks of hacking, i have, for the most part, figured_out what does work and what does not work. i have even developed techniques to insert nearly arbitrary white_space into my macroes, rendering them amazingly readable. this past monday, i installed sendmail [ the latest one; 8_14_3, i think ], so that i can see examples of actual use. i haven't needed to translate between looping and tail_recursion since my fortran days. i realize that this is a "gnu" product, so, i put the blame there. however, it illustrates my point. but, i digress. ] sorry to go on at such length. perhaps, if i were to post more frequently, my posts would be shorter. when i started this, i thought i would type only about one paragraph, asking the "roll our own" question. for ready reference, i enclose the relevant portions of mr. fromme's post. rob spellberg Oliver Fromme wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: > > james michael wrote: [ snip ] > > > ... but I don't > > > think the problem is that people aren't willing to do the work, its > > > that places like adobe has closed its software so that we can't > > > really create anything. > > > > Actually, Flash9 on FreeBSD 7.x is working pretty good now with Linux > > emulation. > > Unfortunately only with Firefox, and it's far from perfect. > > I tried to get Flash9 working the past few days with the > latest RELENG_7 and the latest ports. This is on a UP > i386 machine, so nothing special. > > - Native Opera: No go. It segfaults. > > - Linux Opera: Works somewhat, but hangs often, leaves > lots of dead processes behind. Generally unusable. > > - Native Firefox3: Works most of the time. Problems > with youtube (hangs quite often). Most other sites > seem to work better. > > - Linux Firefox: Didn't try because the port is marked > "forbidden" due to security issues. > > I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's > faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of > the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit > a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too > often, fortunately. > > Certainly, I wouldn't mind if someone improved the existing > nspluginwrapper to work better with native Opera, or write > a new software from scratch that enables using Flash with > native Opera. [ snip ] > Best regards > Oliver From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 00:57:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497DA106564A for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1C18FC18 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877E4509C7; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:57:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vWLXi2nNSatY; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:57:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 811D2509B5 ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:57:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <49B1C65A.5030705@langille.org> Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:56:58 -0500 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, james michael , Matt Olander References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:57:15 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > > I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's > faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of > the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit > a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too > often, fortunately. I also use Opera. It is my browser of choice on more than one platform. I'd like Flash to just work. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 02:20:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B78E106566B for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.65.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEA0C8FC28 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: (qmail 26968 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 01:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.221?) (matt@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 01:53:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zFpqatkVM1ne5B_p7HpJ76.r5lqmLqmbPPA9pVcCGCjAd7W5QdQcJSNMcOgXgg459PLqb4dsTXbVqW6iqb4kYKhvBAFajicv5bub9u08vhoxoFZSJl9lKwiroqfxlq_eHJap7fig24k1MhQkDixRP2ez X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <7465E81B-D963-4EDB-B112-BBB2C889DF72@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: Dan Langille In-Reply-To: <49B1C65A.5030705@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:53:36 -0800 References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> <49B1C65A.5030705@langille.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: Kris Moore , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Flash on FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD Bounties) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:20:19 -0000 On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: >> I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's >> faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of >> the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit >> a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too >> often, fortunately. > > I also use Opera. It is my browser of choice on more than one > platform. > > I'd like Flash to just work. I've cc'd Kris from the PC-BSD project as I'm not sure he's subscribed to the list. I'm also a big fan of Opera and it's working well with Flash on the last PC-BSD alpha with no work on my part. Kris, did you have to add any secret sauce to get Flash working so well with Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera in the last alpha? FYI, we're working closely with Adobe to get native Flash on FreeBSD. I expect we'll have a solution at some point this year. -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 04:33:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D0A106566C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9485C8FC17 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so795439wfd.7 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:33:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=re79OzrLTx+yMNwsROyx3w05R/OoviMD3cC8T7WuuLI=; b=WpjMkfx/WIpdRQC6UaDuC210CgMPUtqBCjIiaQ+8yjwIag2ta49tE8wXaFsXjnHA49 tsULtIiEEvWEFc7UtrxQwH2Ip8zVWe1aWcd5ZSQNZ6qKbIi6CSRltIODkZTdyrtR072g d8fEJUiddR5ndFMNvumbdqdrr47xgKBSjFtiQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ld76KgFLZdTu1TXqUBjimcW/opHIytFt9qAIAFw6VZtVZWXVEYSfo7yRBxzbVEXjXr ZuNfNjjMjjN6DksoDQpwf/Vv+NQjxFTMllHZXI68vfeUoh/8uR0MOewEYMbIp2/xujC6 aLuMYb4LJnYus+znd1T+dLiutcnobFPaCiP/U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.78.10 with SMTP id a10mr1395996wfb.345.1236399076811; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:11:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> References: <2E84A46F-C21C-43F3-AF2E-2B8115A0B888@hmallett.co.uk> <49B02F3E.9040002@gmail.com> <49B03EC0.6070106@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:11:16 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1e4de4d69e4b257d Message-ID: From: Randi Harper To: james michael Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:33:24 -0000 > Hmm, well I guess I might have jumped the gun a bit. I can see how it could > be useful. I don't really believe that open source software should have a > price when it comes to drivers and things like that. > It's not like anyone is asking you for money, so I don't see why you are complaining. Bounties are a solution that will benefit everyone involved. In a perfect world, we could all live off of sunshine and rainbows. Since this is hardly the case and developers do have to eat, providing users with a way to subsidize the specific improvements they care about is a Good Thing. Do you have a better idea? (This isn't really all that relevant to the current conversation, but I'd just like to point out the inaccuracy of your assumption that open source software is synonymous with free (as in free beer) software. It's not. Open source means that anyone is free to study/change the software - it does not necessarily mean that the software comes without a price. As much as I dislike referencing rms, you might benefit from reading http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html) -- randi From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 04:35:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D40C1065672 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2BA8FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 04:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 27so795889wfd.7 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:35:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=NoAXd1c1eqjLwBc007P3hhoy3EZuwuj3cgvs0mjRk+s=; b=mort3NTnKgvEAVF8uxn+S3T+ukUqCkBQ/oa8/3hPeMOPPW63YshPscd4N82DIylaTh ZRhUnoE3qSe0pcbXXKrs81A0kKiQVbr0xC8FA2cKfVTT+frv/k8wx8ytCBnrsAYuSA7q WM7b7wvD0EbuAidc7TwMZJoQHqnXEx8Wu1D0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=DeCCtIokUXNtcbF2V4mpZ1mZVyU2cByk4La4rxkEP2UUxKmtfaFu6a+T+bt2xhUGVY 4/qcx40DoEH9r7vN5CuQmE21Pn9FkcNquX+4Orhg5bd+FTBoIB/YGj4QD4X1klrjDWXF WS5hsGHV9aCdv77xPuGnwsDeptWeYhToaM0YI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.88.4 with SMTP id l4mr1411059wfb.117.1236399249079; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:14:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7465E81B-D963-4EDB-B112-BBB2C889DF72@ixsystems.com> References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> <49B1C65A.5030705@langille.org> <7465E81B-D963-4EDB-B112-BBB2C889DF72@ixsystems.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:14:09 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3c0961e6778092d1 Message-ID: From: Randi Harper To: Matt Olander Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kris Moore , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Flash on FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD Bounties) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:35:10 -0000 > FYI, we're working closely with Adobe to get native Flash on FreeBSD. I > expect we'll have a solution at some point this year. Y'know, when you're talking to them, could you mention Adobe AIR would be lovely to have working in FreeBSD, too? ;) -- randi From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 7 18:37:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACBF1065777 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@apoteelia.net) Received: from mail.apoteelia.net (mail.apoteelia.net [91.184.56.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032628FC1C for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@apoteelia.net) Received: by mail.apoteelia.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id C26EA1ECFC61; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:09:44 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Recieved: Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 19:09:44 +0100 From: Bettina Schmidtberger Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MessageID: 5 X-ListMember: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Errors-To: bounces@apoteelia.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: RE: Der versprochene Geheimtipp X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:37:48 -0000 Hi Du! Wie ich es Dir versprochen habe, wollte ich Dir ja noch die Adresse sagen wo wir die Dinger bestellt haben. Gibt ja viele Seiten wo man echt nur übers Ohr gehauen wird. Aber bei der Adresse bekommen wir immer nur Originalware und das innheralb kürzester Zeit zugeschickt. Mit dem Zoll hatten wir da auch nie Probleme, da der Versand direkt aus Europa erfolgt. Klasse oder? Also hier nun die Adresse: http://www.apoteelia.net Viel Spass wünsch ich Dir und das es gut funktioniert! Gruß, Deine Bettina . . - . . . . . . . . . . : . Gib Acht! Man hatte dir eingeredet, du hättest es schwer, dein Leben sei verpfuscht, das Leben sei eine Schuld, sei schlecht, ohne Sinn, ohne Wert; man wollte dich ducken, dich in die große Armee der Leidenden schmuggeln, du solltest bemitleidenswert werden und bemitleiden: und du glaubtest ihnen – wie ungern! – und wieder nicht – wie gern! Denn du bist stark, aber warst krank – wo? wie? was weiß ich. Und deine Sehnsucht war, herauszukommen aus allen diesen müden Verneinungen, diesen törichten Formeln, die im Nein ihr Ja haben, diesen tönenden Wissenschaften, diesen Worten –. Deswegen sprangst du von Buch zu Buch, spieltest mit ihren Formeln und ließest sie wieder fallen, die Neins und Wenns, um selber eine zu finden, aber ein Ja! sollte sie klingen – denn du wolltest leben! Aber nicht wie der Pöbel lebt – einen Grund, ein Ziel, eine Lebensformel suchtest du. Nun, hier ist sie: Weißt du: das Himmelsweinglas, das du ausschlürfen wolltest – – nun niete dir die Formel: Die Welt schaffst du. Du vergeistigst das Chaos zur Welt; das Andere, das Noch-nicht-Du, das alte Ding an sich, ist nur das, was von dir noch nicht geschaffen, vermenschlicht, noch nicht dein Eigentum geworden ist. – Du schaffst die Welt: nun lebe, lebe! – Die kleine blaue Blume läutete so froh und stark – warum soll ich ihr nicht glauben? Und dann bin ich baden gegangen – – – und habe stundenlang im Grase gelegen; und während die weißen Wolken durch den Himmel segelten und der Fluß geruhig durch Schilfduft und Ried und schwatzendes Vogelvolk hinströmte, habe ich das Ding an sich, den Intellekt und den Willen verlacht und mir ein Ich-weiß-nicht-was? gewünscht. Gegen Abend entstiegen Schwärme von Eintagsfliegen dem Fluß, an den Gräsern, Halmen und Pfosten kletterten sie hoch und warfen aus der Hülle sich in die Luft zum kurzen Hochzeitsleben. Die Luft war weiß über den Wassern von den auf und nieder tanzenden Massen – und die sinkende Sonne in dem Höhenrauch, den der Nordwind gebracht hatte, rot wie ein Rubin: das hätte mich fast bezwungen, daß ich schon begann, die stundenkurze Existenz der Imago zu beklagen und daran sentimentale Folgerungen zu knüpfen – aber da hörte ich den Enzian läuten und ich lachte: Das Tier freut sich jahrelang seines Räuberlebens, und dieser Liebesflug ist sein taumelnder Höhepunkt. Es lebe das Leben und seine ewige Brücke: Venus genetrix! Vor acht Tagen hätte ich ihr geflucht und geklagt: Was ist das Leben? So ist das Leben: es fließt dahin wie Wellenschaum, kommt u