From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 8 13:30:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747CA106564A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8858FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n28DUeKg064490; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n28DUYtr064489; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903081330.n28DUYtr064489@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <7465E81B-D963-4EDB-B112-BBB2C889DF72@ixsystems.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:30:45 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Flash on FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD Bounties) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:30:48 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's > > > faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of > > > the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit > > > a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too > > > often, fortunately. > > > > I also use Opera. It is my browser of choice on more than one > > platform. > > > > I'd like Flash to just work. > > I've cc'd Kris from the PC-BSD project as I'm not sure he's subscribed > to the list. I'm also a big fan of Opera and it's working well with > Flash on the last PC-BSD alpha with no work on my part. Are you sure? When I first started testing it, it _seemed_ to work well, too, but after some time it started hanging and accumulating dead "operapliginwrapper" processes. In particular, I'm using the sites http://www.youtupe.de and http://www.spiegel.de/video/ (sorry, mostly German). The first video on both of those sites usually plays fine, but when you continue browsing videos, it'll start hanging on the third or forth video, and then it gets unusable. > Kris, did you > have to add any secret sauce to get Flash working so well with > Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera in the last alpha? I'd be very much interested in the answer to that question, too. > FYI, we're working closely with Adobe to get native Flash on FreeBSD. > I expect we'll have a solution at some point this year. That's very good news! However, I think the problems I'm seeing are not caused by the Flash plugin itself, but by the glue code that Opera is using. After all, the plugin works much better with Firefox (even native Firefox, using nspluginwrapper). It seems that Opera's "operapluginwrapper" has some bugs, or it tries to use things that FreeBSD's Linux emulation isn't providing correctly. (I guess it's the latter, because it works better under Linux.) By the way, I'm using RELENG_7 (just a few days old) and linux_base-f8 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16, linprocfs and even linsysfs (even though I believe that Opera and Flash don't really need linsysfs). Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "... there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are _obviously_ no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no _obvious_ deficiencies." -- C.A.R. Hoare, ACM Turing Award Lecture, 1980 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 9 13:55:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C67106564A for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@pcbsd.com) Received: from pcbsd.ixsystems.com (pcbsd.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FAB8FC17 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 13:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@pcbsd.com) Received: from [192.168.0.110] (24-158-205-179.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com [24.158.205.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pcbsd.ixsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91185145F400; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 06:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B51D4C.7060708@pcbsd.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:44:44 -0400 From: Kris Moore User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090113) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander References: <200903081330.n28DUYtr064489@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200903081330.n28DUYtr064489@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Flash on FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD Bounties) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:55:00 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: > > Dan Langille wrote: > > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > > I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's > > > > faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of > > > > the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit > > > > a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too > > > > often, fortunately. > > > > > > I also use Opera. It is my browser of choice on more than one > > > platform. > > > > > > I'd like Flash to just work. > > > > I've cc'd Kris from the PC-BSD project as I'm not sure he's subscribed > > to the list. I'm also a big fan of Opera and it's working well with > > Flash on the last PC-BSD alpha with no work on my part. > > Are you sure? When I first started testing it, it _seemed_ > to work well, too, but after some time it started hanging > and accumulating dead "operapliginwrapper" processes. > > In particular, I'm using the sites http://www.youtupe.de > and http://www.spiegel.de/video/ (sorry, mostly German). > The first video on both of those sites usually plays fine, > but when you continue browsing videos, it'll start hanging > on the third or forth video, and then it gets unusable. > > > Kris, did you > > have to add any secret sauce to get Flash working so well with > > Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera in the last alpha? > > I'd be very much interested in the answer to that question, > too. > > > FYI, we're working closely with Adobe to get native Flash on FreeBSD. > > I expect we'll have a solution at some point this year. > > That's very good news! > > However, I think the problems I'm seeing are not caused by > the Flash plugin itself, but by the glue code that Opera > is using. After all, the plugin works much better with > Firefox (even native Firefox, using nspluginwrapper). > > It seems that Opera's "operapluginwrapper" has some bugs, > or it tries to use things that FreeBSD's Linux emulation > isn't providing correctly. (I guess it's the latter, > because it works better under Linux.) > > By the way, I'm using RELENG_7 (just a few days old) and > linux_base-f8 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16, linprocfs > and even linsysfs (even though I believe that Opera and > Flash don't really need linsysfs). > > Best regards > Oliver > I think we're all in the same boat here. Opera hasn't been working properly with the Flash 9 plugin here either. I can get it to "see" the wrapper plugin, but whenever it tries to utilize it, it just throws "startPlugin failed" on stderr, with no other information. The same plugin works great on FF and Konqueror though, so I think its an opera problem. -- Kris Moore From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 9 15:41:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EAA106566B for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723958FC18 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n29FfmBJ028426; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:41:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n29FfhZh028424; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:41:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:41:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903091541.n29FfhZh028424@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <200903081330.n28DUYtr064489@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:41:49 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Flash on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:41:52 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > [...] > In particular, I'm using the sites http://www.youtupe.de > and http://www.spiegel.de/video/ (sorry, mostly German). I'm sorry for the stupid typo, that should be http://www.youtube.com of course. I just noticed that the bogus domain "youtupe.de" does indeed exist ... Of course I didn't meant that one. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. 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(c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y11sm2107685pod.1.2009.03.12.02.43.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49B8D940.70606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:43:28 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070306010205030509070102" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Idea. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:43:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070306010205030509070102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed a lot of the "free media" programs actually failed but I thought I might run idea through some people, a free media program directed not at any distro/flavor but just directed to help people learn. Just an idea from your kind friends at the PLC (pulpie learning community) pulpie.ath.cx --------------070306010205030509070102-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 14 04:23:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00487106566B for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF988FC16 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.134]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2009 21:55:34 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=Wx5Pbw6iiq4JLdrW3LAA:9 a=KrP7RdRFojg5ECVhh7wA:7 a=wLXuCOh7v1cQ-1WG8-FKUjBB0vEA:4 Received: from s0106000103ce4c9c.vc.shawcable.net (HELO cydem.org) ([24.87.3.133]) by pd2ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2009 21:55:34 -0600 Received: from soralx (soralx [192.168.0.240]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 48C707E812; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:55:32 -0700 From: To: Message-ID: <20090313205532.03a75c04@soralx> In-Reply-To: <49B1B9C9.5050501@emailrob.com> References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> <49B1B9C9.5050501@emailrob.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:23:46 -0000 [snip] > question: if the "browser_products" of other entities are --so-- > problematic, just --how-- difficult would it be to "roll our own" ? > > note that this question is --not-- the same as asking > how long it would take to code all of the whiz_bangs > that the marketing_department_dweebs want to advertise. > > it doesn't have to do everything, > but, what it does do must be done well; reliably, predictably. > > i would want it to do things "the bsd way", e. g., search by reg_ex. > it would be totally divorced from anything "gnu". > i don't care about animation [ images hog bandwidth, big_time ]. [snip] > i have been researching how to write a "browser". > it is my understanding that, > once i can recursively render tables, the rest is comparitively easy. > i have not, just yet, figured_out how to do the secure_http thing > [ this is where i am stalled ]. > i want a program > that, either, is or, to the outside_world, appears to be a > "browser"_like thingy and which is --programmable--, > so that it may, in co_ordination with my book_keeping app, > log in to any account, > >----> to which i am already authorized access, <----< > such as my bank or my electric_utility, > in the middle_of_the_night, while i am asleep, > to down_load transaction_events or other postings, > to up_load bill_payment schedulings or other instructions, > so that i don't have to use my waking moments to > do these routine, but, necessary, time_consuming chores. isn't "links" or "lynx", with some modifications, exactly what you want? or are they too complex to modify? [snip] > rob spellberg [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 14 21:06:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30687106566C for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1238FC16 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 11473 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 20:39:38 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 14 Mar 2009 20:39:37 -0000 Message-ID: <49BC1410.6030004@telenix.org> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:31:12 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <200903061346.n26Dk9K5057916@lurza.secnetix.de> <49B1B9C9.5050501@emailrob.com> <20090313205532.03a75c04@soralx> In-Reply-To: <20090313205532.03a75c04@soralx> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Bounties X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:06:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 soralx@cydem.org wrote: > [snip] >> question: if the "browser_products" of other entities are --so-- >> problematic, just --how-- difficult would it be to "roll our own" ? >> >> note that this question is --not-- the same as asking >> how long it would take to code all of the whiz_bangs >> that the marketing_department_dweebs want to advertise. >> >> it doesn't have to do everything, >> but, what it does do must be done well; reliably, predictably. >> >> i would want it to do things "the bsd way", e. g., search by reg_ex. >> it would be totally divorced from anything "gnu". >> i don't care about animation [ images hog bandwidth, big_time ]. > [snip] >> i have been researching how to write a "browser". >> it is my understanding that, >> once i can recursively render tables, the rest is comparitively easy. >> i have not, just yet, figured_out how to do the secure_http thing >> [ this is where i am stalled ]. >> i want a program >> that, either, is or, to the outside_world, appears to be a >> "browser"_like thingy and which is --programmable--, >> so that it may, in co_ordination with my book_keeping app, >> log in to any account, >> >----> to which i am already authorized access, <----< >> such as my bank or my electric_utility, >> in the middle_of_the_night, while i am asleep, >> to down_load transaction_events or other postings, >> to up_load bill_payment schedulings or other instructions, >> so that i don't have to use my waking moments to >> do these routine, but, necessary, time_consuming chores. I might be misreading you, but you're talking about doing what is basically a way to do your bookkeeping app remotely, and make it adaptable to your targets (which I'm thinking you're not talking about supplying yourself). It seems to me that making your interface, and making it adaptable to your app's targets, is the main thing, and NOT the browser. A browser needs to be capable of hitting a wide array of standards, but far, far more general in scope than what's required by your app. So, it seems to me that what you really want is a program that interfaces your targets to an html protocol, and really, then make use of any of the existing browsers, the better ones. You *could* then at a later date (if you still find it interesting) write a browser, but concentrate on getting your app to play nice with html, and leverage all of the existing high quality work presently existing (stuff like firefox). Trying to do a general purpose browser now would require you to do tons of software that would be far afield of your actual main goal. I'm not saying that doing a thing like a browser isn't a worthy goal, merely that it seems to be a very separate target than a browser, so I'd consider each item as a separate goal, making use of existing standards to link the two. If you start writing a browser now, you're going to find yourself either doing a very limited browser, or doing a ton of software that's only slightly connected to your bookkeeping goal. > isn't "links" or "lynx", with some modifications, exactly what you > want? or are they too complex to modify? > > [snip] > >> rob spellberg > > [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkm8FBAACgkQz62J6PPcoOkIYgCeNAaLiHTxOlCrynObKsSWPc0J u20AoKVTvUT4Y+/yucAHScApdVj5jfRv =zw6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----