From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 8 13:30:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747CA106564A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8858FC0A for ; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n28DUeKg064490; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n28DUYtr064489; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:30:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903081330.n28DUYtr064489@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <7465E81B-D963-4EDB-B112-BBB2C889DF72@ixsystems.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:30:45 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Flash on FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD Bounties) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Dan Langille , Kris Moore , Matt Olander List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:30:48 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > I definitely prefer Opera for normal browsing because it's > > > faster and has more useful features, so I use it most of > > > the time. I only start up Firefox when I need to visit > > > a site that requires Flash, which doesn't happen too > > > often, fortunately. > > > > I also use Opera. It is my browser of choice on more than one > > platform. > > > > I'd like Flash to just work. > > I've cc'd Kris from the PC-BSD project as I'm not sure he's subscribed > to the list. I'm also a big fan of Opera and it's working well with > Flash on the last PC-BSD alpha with no work on my part. Are you sure? When I first started testing it, it _seemed_ to work well, too, but after some time it started hanging and accumulating dead "operapliginwrapper" processes. In particular, I'm using the sites http://www.youtupe.de and http://www.spiegel.de/video/ (sorry, mostly German). The first video on both of those sites usually plays fine, but when you continue browsing videos, it'll start hanging on the third or forth video, and then it gets unusable. > Kris, did you > have to add any secret sauce to get Flash working so well with > Firefox, Konqueror, and Opera in the last alpha? I'd be very much interested in the answer to that question, too. > FYI, we're working closely with Adobe to get native Flash on FreeBSD. > I expect we'll have a solution at some point this year. That's very good news! However, I think the problems I'm seeing are not caused by the Flash plugin itself, but by the glue code that Opera is using. After all, the plugin works much better with Firefox (even native Firefox, using nspluginwrapper). It seems that Opera's "operapluginwrapper" has some bugs, or it tries to use things that FreeBSD's Linux emulation isn't providing correctly. (I guess it's the latter, because it works better under Linux.) By the way, I'm using RELENG_7 (just a few days old) and linux_base-f8 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16, linprocfs and even linsysfs (even though I believe that Opera and Flash don't really need linsysfs). Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "... there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are _obviously_ no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no _obvious_ deficiencies." -- C.A.R. Hoare, ACM Turing Award Lecture, 1980