From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 17 19:54:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C94F10656CE for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9348FC18 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86EC1703C; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:35:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <20090305143932.2m5hub4n4w0swk0o@www.hmallett.co.uk> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Hywel Mallett Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:35:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Announcing FreeBSD Bounties! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:54:24 -0000 Hywel Mallett writes: > Check it out at http://www.freebsdbounties.info How about a way to discuss the bounties? Could be as simple as a forum where people can just discuss the merit of a bounty. > All feedback is appreciated. Wouldn't hurt to have a Contact link and a Feedback link right in the site. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 14:48:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FABC1065670 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd32@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail22.extendcp.co.uk (mail22.extendcp.co.uk [79.170.40.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3898FC15 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd32@freeode.co.uk) Received: from [78.33.177.2] (helo=asus) by mail22.extendcp.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) id 1LkJBE-0002gR-Kd for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:25:09 +0000 From: John Murphy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Talking of FreeBSD bounties, VMWare 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:48:19 -0000 Good afternoon, I'm not at all up to date with FreeBSD, but I remember being quite excited by the possibility of 'Vmware 6.x on FreeBSD', A $3,500 rsync.net bounty claimed by Orlando Bassotto in 2007. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html I checked Mr Bassotto's web site shortly after reading the news and at increasing intervals over the months thereafter, but "a few weeks" is turning into a few years: http://www.break.net/orlando/ I wonder if anyone here knows of any progress? FreeBSD seems sadly lacking in the Virtualizer host department, while, IMHO it would make the perfect host: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/virtualization-host.html -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 15:14:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFAA1065675 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7996A8FC14 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W30 ([65.54.168.130]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.204.19.205] From: Rick N To: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:01:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> References: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2009 15:01:20.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[903C0D00:01C9A8A3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: Talking of FreeBSD bounties, VMWare 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:14:23 -0000 Hi John=2C =20 I understand Vmware is commercial=2C but what about Sun's/OpenSolaris's x= VM=2C (VirtualBox) its free. I haven't played with it in awhile but FreeBSD= could be run as a Guest OS. Maybe the newer version can support FreeBSD h= osting. Needless=2C its popular within alot of linux users=2C ... =20 http://www.sun.com/software/products/virtualbox/index.jsp =20 cheers=2C =20 Rick. =20 =20 =20 > Date: Thu=2C 19 Mar 2009 14:25:09 +0000 > From: fbsd32@freeode.co.uk > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Talking of FreeBSD bounties=2C VMWare 6.x? >=20 > Good afternoon=2C >=20 > I'm not at all up to date with FreeBSD=2C but I remember being quite > excited by the possibility of 'Vmware 6.x on FreeBSD'=2C A $3=2C500 > rsync.net bounty claimed by Orlando Bassotto in 2007. >=20 > http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html >=20 > I checked Mr Bassotto's web site shortly after reading the news > and at increasing intervals over the months thereafter=2C but "a few > weeks" is turning into a few years: >=20 > http://www.break.net/orlando/ >=20 > I wonder if anyone here knows of any progress? FreeBSD seems > sadly lacking in the Virtualizer host department=2C while=2C IMHO > it would make the perfect host: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/virtualization-= host.html >=20 > --=20 > Thanks=2C John. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Reunite with the people closest to you=2C chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9650736= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 16:02:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21106106564A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd32@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail22.extendcp.co.uk (mail22.extendcp.co.uk [79.170.40.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F88FC15 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd32@freeode.co.uk) Received: from [78.33.177.2] (helo=asus) by mail22.extendcp.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) id 1LkKhG-0003tU-U4 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:19 +0000 From: John Murphy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090319160219.249fff07@asus> In-Reply-To: References: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Talking of FreeBSD bounties, VMWare 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:20 -0000 On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:01:20 +0000 Rick N wrote: > I understand Vmware is commercial, but what about Sun's/OpenSolaris's xVM, (VirtualBox) its free. I haven't played with it in awhile but FreeBSD could be run as a Guest OS. Maybe the newer version can support FreeBSD hosting. Needless, its popular within alot of linux users, ... Hi Rick, Yes, I use VirtualBox regularly on my Linux-Mint desktop. It works extremely well, apart from its fledgling OpenGL support. It's great for those, thankfully rare, occasions when I need to run the Redmond software. -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 19 21:15:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0609910656C8 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F228FC1A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m38so468129waf.27 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=oxcOysBhnsskqmUYDyaX/9i6YZ1S1TGj3CqDXBhmwg8=; b=kh8+4BIgmwmNliNaOdU3EoGCyWnnglDPa2I6Q1CO7phA7LpsPT5ELPb/AGTgYfQ1OI N6sJpPGu1OnLUG1erDccjt4bR8dF3Jv2narBxCMtm1WzZz7AQlKEWIOG+YriUotOepXh CGCkRFv/iy/pmVFcEsTDlJZ1waZUM57QyQp1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=KQNeEb2xS3sv/XZ8uXIEzPsp6piXsgldRgau0MOuxPqBHISAaHxphXWBA6+FMxPdzU bNXqqJSr9Ozg2jIdFzqtudm1WRY6RUxojUcOt1UAlm7idAq07s6wZ+p25pDhn8VHlRk5 0IUMRmtvVEmAIl25+S9mpPvm7mEOQeFjLv72w= Received: by 10.114.58.6 with SMTP id g6mr1418578waa.33.1237497305466; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? (c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k37sm1583698waf.7.2009.03.19.14.15.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49C2B5D7.9050605@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:03 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> <20090319160219.249fff07@asus> In-Reply-To: <20090319160219.249fff07@asus> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000303060404090701050000" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Talking of FreeBSD bounties, VMWare 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:15:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000303060404090701050000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:01:20 +0000 Rick N wrote: > > >> I understand Vmware is commercial, but what about Sun's/OpenSolaris's xVM, (VirtualBox) its free. I haven't played with it in awhile but FreeBSD could be run as a Guest OS. Maybe the newer version can support FreeBSD hosting. Needless, its popular within alot of linux users, ... >> > > Hi Rick, > > Yes, I use VirtualBox regularly on my Linux-Mint desktop. > It works extremely well, apart from its fledgling OpenGL support. > It's great for those, thankfully rare, occasions when I need to > run the Redmond software. > > I do like vb and I ran it on vista, xp and Linux before I finally got enough computers + ssh and vnc. In my opinion in all honesty no one needs a virtual software as well as the freebsd kernel still had problems on VB last time i checked about 3 months ago or less. I also don't know what you mean by "supporting freebsd hosting" but if you mean to use a VB session as a serious freebsd server, I would think again. I wouldn't even do this with Linux although vb supports it enough. Anyways I hope it does work not or eventually if it solves other peoples problems. I guess with the ways I have things setup I just don't need virtualization. Best of Luck. --------------000303060404090701050000-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 14:26:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C921065670 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FC28FC12 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08342EED46 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:10:32 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: K3va3rOkIhppk3t+RZDJxuDUdnZdu8qLgJ4y8kbJjIHf 1237558232 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-66-41-132-62.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [66.41.132.62]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57EFA7462 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <49533DD0-5F2B-4EC6-86B8-EFA0ABB185AA@tcbug.org> From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.4) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:10:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.4) Subject: Fun to amaze linux users X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:26:04 -0000 (08:40) last pid: 61373; load averages: 376.25, 362.00, 330.0 up 111+20:25:56 09:49:06 (08:40) 424 processes: 389 running, 35 sleeping (08:40) Sometimes you just wish things would reboot (08:41) no doubt (08:41) how can you even retreive a load average on a machine with 376? (08:42) it's slow, but did let me log in. (08:42) I thought it was network issues at first. (09:06) I suppose the answer to your question really is "by not running linux" Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 17:05:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728B9106564A for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattjeet@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C678FC08 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattjeet@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1245286wfg.7 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:05:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1PN8HYTf4b/d1SkURQ6PLZFoPZBgGhFa2tqrY6g09aE=; b=HGVijMFUqImyGuK57OogcCnObB7RFXr57taC4IK8crTu1MvF3p15hPWuIW+grSeN0Y N933VNU4CGsTIBjFGNvksvtHexlqYrRZnDnEcM6OYbGquOt0IEjs5XVaUmTmET7OPeTm 1fWxmSvCyUiZgFmZRacqGsVrcFZELF93wsLjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PwVDi8C65AuRxfNA0YuJZ8gNa7+Ykx8ZHxpb8lAMAMkIl8RrPotFymPiePTe6ig5mb lE+pm0s8tRdeHBAdwUPAnEiv1a7wqC7HNEya/SGpQBSH6QkWLXfnlg4E6tFS1/R6vaO7 admecPd3wHmHaSz8MGCqkLVbIyZKyoSxt+t5c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mattjeet@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.135.16 with SMTP id i16mr1555515wfd.250.1237567407213; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:43:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49533DD0-5F2B-4EC6-86B8-EFA0ABB185AA@tcbug.org> References: <49533DD0-5F2B-4EC6-86B8-EFA0ABB185AA@tcbug.org> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:43:27 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ba37a6a519ff8ce6 Message-ID: <9740caf0903200943l458b30d8ned19d9edd22cb469@mail.gmail.com> From: Matt Olander To: Josh Paetzel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fun to amaze linux users X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matt@ixsystems.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:05:32 -0000 On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Josh Paetzel wrote: > (08:40) last pid: 61373; load averages: 376.25, 362.00, 330.0 up > 111+20:25:56 09:49:06 > (08:40) 424 processes: 389 running, 35 sleeping > (08:40) Sometimes you just wish things would reboot > (08:41) no doubt > (08:41) how can you even retreive a load average on a machine > with > 376? > (08:42) it's slow, but did let me log in. > (08:42) I thought it was network issues at first. > (09:06) I suppose the answer to your question really is "by not > running linux" Hahaha! I just spit coffee all over my FreeBSD workstation ;-) That was funny. Wait...that's not one of the PC-BSD project release servers is it? *stops laughing* -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 19:37:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652F1065673 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4428FC12 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:37:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2KJb3FX040092 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:37:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Jv5Gy6HyGs-2 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n2KJanBp040085 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:36:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:36:49 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ;-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:37:10 -0000 Hello! Anybody got a good way to send an automagic Ping'o'death to a spammer's computer? Maybe there's a "kick butt" plugin for AmavisD? If I were Captain Kirk, surely I'd be able to have Spock program the ship to beam a photon bomb directly to their location; I suppose, however, being only the 21st century, such technology isn't available yet. :-D Kevin Kinsey -- Bolub's Fourth Law of Computerdom: Project teams detest weekly progress reporting because it so vividly manifests their lack of progress. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 20:07:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B551065670 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxedgnsprd02.gw.upmc.edu (msxedgnsprd02.gw.upmc.edu [128.147.248.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25BE8FC12 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:07:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net (10.25.36.24) by msxedgnsprd02.gw.upmc.edu (128.147.248.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.340.0; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:56:51 -0400 Received: from msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::e138:c1a9:3f92:cf44]) by msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::2411:fcdc:e28:2adf%14]) with mapi; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:56:52 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" To: Kevin Kinsey , FreeBSD Chat Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:56:51 -0400 Thread-Topic: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ;-) Thread-Index: Acmpk0tFYofvgB5kRoCar3GvV0AeHgAAkRjg Message-ID: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0A690427@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> References: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ;-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:07:47 -0000 -----Original Message----- >Hello! > > Anybody got a good way to send an automagic Ping'o'death to a spammer's c= omputer? Maybe there's a "kick butt" > plugin for AmavisD? > > If I were Captain Kirk, surely I'd be able to have Spock program the ship= to beam a photon bomb directly to their location;=20 > I suppose, however, being only the 21st century, such technology isn't av= ailable yet. > > If you find one let me know. I recall years ago into looking into this and was told it was illegal to do= such a thing in response to a spammer, but it was ok for them to spam me. = That never made sense to me, but I stop trying to figure it out.=20 Rod Person Sr. Programmer (412)454-2616 http://www.ccbh.com "And of all the passions the most mischievous is pleasure. Why so? Because = all things are the slave of pleasure; and because the life of the wicked is= governed by pleasure as by a master." - Philo The Second Book of the Treatise on The Allegories of the Sacred Laws, a= fter the Work of the Six Days of Creation. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 21:40:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CE2106566B for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757498FC19 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:40:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECE56D43F; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 139B7844C1; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:25:26 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Person\, Roderick" References: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0A690427@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:25:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0A690427@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> (Roderick Person's message of "Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:56:51 -0400") Message-ID: <86y6uzj396.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ; -) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:40:41 -0000 "Person, Roderick" writes: > Kevin Kinsey writes: > > Anybody got a good way to send an automagic Ping'o'death to a > > spammer's computer? > I recall years ago into looking into this and was told it was illegal > to do such a thing in response to a spammer, but it was ok for them to > spam me. That never made sense to me, but I stop trying to figure it > out. It *is* illegal, and for good cause. It's called vigilantism. As for the legality of spam - almost all spam these days is either fraud, advertising for illegal and / or fake medication, or both, and almost all of it is sent from hijacked computers. That makes spam doubly illegal: 1) illegal intrusion into a computer system for the purpose of committing 2) wire fraud and / or trading in illegal substances. IANAL, though, and I don't even play one on TV. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 22:40:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1361065677 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8DF8FC18 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2KMe3tI007706; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:40:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n2KMe1Re007705; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:40:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:40:01 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kdk@daleco.biz In-Reply-To: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:40:27 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ; -) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kdk@daleco.biz List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:40:35 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Anybody got a good way to send an automagic Ping'o'death > to a spammer's computer? Maybe there's a "kick butt" > plugin for AmavisD? Note that, in most cases, it is very difficult to identify the real source of the spammer. The "From" header line and the envelope sender address usually do not point to the spammer. Trying to shoot back to those is a very bad idea. The only reasonable thing you can do with spam is drop it to /dev/null. If it makes you feel better, you can create a symlink /dev/painful_death -> /dev/null and instruct your mail filter to drop spam there instead. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd In my experience the term "transparent proxy" is an oxymoron (like jumbo shrimp). "Transparent" proxies seem to vary from the distortions of a funhouse mirror to barely translucent. I really, really dislike them when trying to figure out the corrective lenses needed with each of them. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 20 23:20:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB2E1065670 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDA98FC12 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2KN5YiJ029895 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n2KN5Y32029894 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:05:34 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090320230534.GC77783@albert.catwhisker.org> References: <49C3F051.9010501@daleco.biz> <200903202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VsIP+Tg8RKrNt6G6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200903202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ; -) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:20:46 -0000 --VsIP+Tg8RKrNt6G6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:40:01PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > ... > The only reasonable thing you can do with spam is drop it > to /dev/null. If it makes you feel better, you can create > a symlink /dev/painful_death -> /dev/null and instruct > your mail filter to drop spam there instead. With respect, my preferred approach differs slightly. I instruct my MTA to reject (or, in certain special cases, silently discard) the spam during the SMTP conversation. Granted, there are several reasons that approach isn't for everyone -- or even very many folks; because of that, it may fail your "reasonable thing" criterion. :-} But I find it useful despite that. Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. --VsIP+Tg8RKrNt6G6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAknEIT0ACgkQmprOCmdXAD10PACfVBspfjZZjKOBcI/AdV8/AG0u O1AAniYW7V/gAg1idYo4/PxfWe1WdZZk =ZXvp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VsIP+Tg8RKrNt6G6-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 21 08:32:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F55106566C for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168228FC15 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2L8WcnD041149; Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:39 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n2L8WcnD041149 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1237624360; bh=UPuxZ3J8uTdyd0iylzdxhFTmN1ARuIYJSrCDJGGLVGU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<49C4A61D.1050102@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2021=20Mar=202009=2008:32:29=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.19=20(X11/20090218)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-chat@freebsd.org,=20kdk@daleco.biz|Subjec t:=20Re:=20spamassassin=20helps=20lots,=20but=20I'm=20tired=20of=2 0sorting=20the=09backscatter=0D=0A=20=3B=20-)|References:=20<20090 3202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20090320 2240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95. 6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D= 0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D "------------enigCEFEBFA459F523D2199704F4"; b=JbYyyzEFq7rVRtoG5LNo8lOFeuOHcD4iKAS96a9RWvO1khezIoIWgXmcHwRu/V9iW 1ysXmHILU6ejqfiCXOlheWQ70YWpVUuB2+gak+vmtNtZ5WmcVl6Rc3vSPGTsZa2AJT CYQjMI9PcStP3Rx2PhorPnxcLOakucTARErMV3Lk= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <49C4A61D.1050102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:29 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090218) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, kdk@daleco.biz References: <200903202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200903202240.n2KMe1Re007705@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCEFEBFA459F523D2199704F4" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9147/Sat Mar 21 07:15:16 2009 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the backscatter ; -) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:32:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCEFEBFA459F523D2199704F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oliver Fromme wrote: > Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > Anybody got a good way to send an automagic Ping'o'death > > to a spammer's computer? Maybe there's a "kick butt" > > plugin for AmavisD? >=20 > Note that, in most cases, it is very difficult to identify > the real source of the spammer. The "From" header line > and the envelope sender address usually do not point to > the spammer. Trying to shoot back to those is a very bad > idea. >=20 > The only reasonable thing you can do with spam is drop it > to /dev/null. If it makes you feel better, you can create > a symlink /dev/painful_death -> /dev/null and instruct > your mail filter to drop spam there instead. Not so. The best thing you can do about spam is refuse to accept it during the SMTP dialogue stage. This has two beneficial effects. * It allows you to visibly reject the spam without causing backscatter * It may well result in bounce-o-grammes being sent to the admins of compromised systems. (Not always -- but I've seen a trend for some botnet zombies to send outgoing spam via their usual mail relays rather than directly) The second best thing you can do is take your own sweet time over processing incoming spam messages. Contrary to all appearances, there are still more people targeted by spam than there are spam sources. Spammers get paid for pumping out millions of messages. Any simple way there is of slowing down that traffic will lower their income or raise their marginal costs and it won't take too much to put at least a few of them out of business. Tarpitting or teergrube does that and can tie up a dozen or more spam senders at a time without killing the performance of your own mail systems. For the latter task, I can most heartily recommend obspamd (net/spamd spamd(8) -- not to be confused with the spamd(1) program which is part of spamassassin. My only complaint is that it does not understand IPv6) Cheers Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigCEFEBFA459F523D2199704F4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAknEpiYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzTRACfc17Rw6Rq9sA3EUGK3kj01wwp BVIAn0x7I0wXfK3mSo3nxo/+ajgS6Gei =gt1J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCEFEBFA459F523D2199704F4--