From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 8 20:49:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF32C10656C5 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA528FC0C for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 787 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2009 20:49:10 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 8 Apr 2009 20:49:10 -0000 Message-ID: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:49:22 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:49:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am truly impressed with that new handhelp computer, the Pandora. I read somewhere (I'm trying to find where I saw this) that the Pandora is very compatible with the BeagleBoard. I was just wondering if any of the work being done for the ARM on FreeBSD has been ported to the Pandora? I don't know enough about it, *yet*, but I'm working on it. Having such a great tiny machine running FreeBSD would be incredible. FreeBSD would be my first choice, if I'm going to get a choice. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkndDdIACgkQz62J6PPcoOn9aQCeOTSUGhN6bb2/vZL5AsruX1VK QrYAn3qi6WZFrF3fEqRsx4VOivVSistt =dS0u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 06:56:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA15C106566C for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars.engels@0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AE88FC15 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 06:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars.engels@0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.67.217]) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E383398B1; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from i011-63.fin-nrw.de (i011-63.fin-nrw.de [193.109.238.130]) by 0x20.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:56:01 +0200 Message-ID: <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:56:01 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Chuck Robey References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> In-Reply-To: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_2ug2ski3e1wk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:56:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_2ug2ski3e1wk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quoting Chuck Robey : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am truly impressed with that new handhelp computer, the Pandora. I read > somewhere (I'm trying to find where I saw this) that the Pandora is very > compatible with the BeagleBoard. I was just wondering if any of the > work being > done for the ARM on FreeBSD has been ported to the Pandora? > > I don't know enough about it, *yet*, but I'm working on it. Having > such a great > tiny machine running FreeBSD would be incredible. FreeBSD would be my first > choice, if I'm going to get a choice. > What is Pandora? --=_2ug2ski3e1wk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: PGP Digital Signature Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkndnAEACgkQKc512sD3afhaMwCeOlKTzP+w6c/JS/LEhl0YIpSy 4IQAnjnVfmp7srfsOLkIV9dyJuhYekuZ =Mxt2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_2ug2ski3e1wk-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 07:29:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F48F1065670 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 265EB8FC1D for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:29:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: (qmail 59225 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 07:29:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (ken@71.155.229.35 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 07:29:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PSOqMykVM1l2By.ZpsY4VbK0kVI3otYZm.gawmpNJevZRnGLttVPYWvCGzOjan3pI9urABW.dy2KAyb.mzW.HNlDszVgx0aL5ZAcfEbqzaCXvFqVMoT_enaZJvkplBFtH8ttCHRKwksQGcffu1JpMaUpb5WmtgL9pMUVUSI6oSQmdlXMdyQ4tHVtD5E6P6l.MKloxcLYeR8oJWvyVct_ABgWzXX04hUb6920wIeZgHHWQnrcY0Lj1wLCYxvjhe3qvG7iCc30d2Buqv74ve3FZ2NxOCawAM3.UY.MKf0vIs3kcRGbyZCiuM0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:29:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1239262177.6222.19.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:29:41 -0000 On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 08:56 +0200, Lars Engels wrote: > > What is Pandora? Please do not open it to find out. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 08:33:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED08F106564A for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:33:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE388FC16 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:33:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n398ZJEC002495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:35:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:33:30 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Engels References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:33:39 -0000 On 9/4/09 07:56, Lars Engels wrote: > Quoting Chuck Robey : > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I am truly impressed with that new handhelp computer, the Pandora. I >> read >> somewhere (I'm trying to find where I saw this) that the Pandora is very >> compatible with the BeagleBoard. I was just wondering if any of the >> work being >> done for the ARM on FreeBSD has been ported to the Pandora? >> >> I don't know enough about it, *yet*, but I'm working on it. Having >> such a great >> tiny machine running FreeBSD would be incredible. FreeBSD would be >> my first >> choice, if I'm going to get a choice. >> > > What is Pandora? I think he means http://openpandora.org/ Which does look quite nice. Vince From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 15:50:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76551065672 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorloureirolima@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8398FC17 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorloureirolima@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so427302ywh.13 for ; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=F8RHRk6XepKwL26Zaa3EnRTBXd3z0ge7Uy00MtTiI2c=; b=jUbG8C69oC/Y0PvDRVvnWsZMPNYWluGcQbjZRvGPVW1HwILKHfpupYXkcejGzxQ3Mm KBAPWrBh3tQ9aus2xhysZT2CuQIK1glZpsbGxUFbNzfoD6XXfYCP9CqXJl4zgA/Cz/bo 9f7SJWM2mNC2CCox8/WKnCVooOEfRnNgNP1lI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=UF01zVygDWWJuHBnVPWBYa6PLMoRWz3aYov3JrXCZ+CMvJrqcku6RxdOu0KtRQdjc6 ZLnnXDDa4stWr2SusHUX+rzoYzvi6v8JjhJJaS6WIyaoVTaMrAPZ6ifdM8HQ5oMXpH80 POzXaGAgdZYJzPhucmnYPxw/bRg7h1UMLAHOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.192.4 with SMTP id p4mr4832184ybf.44.1239292202874; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:50:02 -0300 Message-ID: From: Victor Loureiro Lima To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: iPhone on Freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:50:04 -0000 Anyone has had a good experience using iPhone with FreeBSD either for synchronization and the like, or for development? Are there packages for it in the ports?! Is there a community building around this?! thanks in advance, Victor Lima From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 16:37:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D684106564A for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B2F8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 32097 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 16:37:13 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2009 16:37:13 -0000 Message-ID: <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:37:29 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Hoffman References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lars Engels , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:37:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Hoffman wrote: > On 9/4/09 07:56, Lars Engels wrote: >> Quoting Chuck Robey : >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I am truly impressed with that new handhelp computer, the Pandora. I >>> read >>> somewhere (I'm trying to find where I saw this) that the Pandora is very >>> compatible with the BeagleBoard. I was just wondering if any of the >>> work being >>> done for the ARM on FreeBSD has been ported to the Pandora? >>> >>> I don't know enough about it, *yet*, but I'm working on it. Having >>> such a great >>> tiny machine running FreeBSD would be incredible. FreeBSD would be >>> my first >>> choice, if I'm going to get a choice. >>> >> What is Pandora? > I think he means > http://openpandora.org/ > Which does look quite nice. Correct. I've been daydreaming about getting a nice handheld for a long time now, I dunno, maybe a decade now, but at LEAST since Sharp put out the units which really started the entire idea. The Pandora, it's the first one I've seen that really gets to a point that I've been happy with. I wouldn't even consider something that didn't have a minimum of 640x480. I also wanted a keyboard, even if it needed to be of a "chicklet" variety, but it needed to be pretty close to something that could be described as a QWERTY keyboard. I wanted a lot of RAM, lot of flash, and enough speed and power to host it's own compiler. Up until now, I just didn't see anything else out there that came close to meeting my minimums. Well, Pandora *way* more than meets my minimums, and it does it at a small fraction of what I thought something like that's going to cost. I know very well that I can't afford this at the moment, but I went ahead and got on the list to get one of these (it only caost me, base, $330). They info about this is scattered all over, I don't *think* that there is anything like a published spec on this, so grabbing the info on the Pandora means spending a LOT of time on Google. I think everything is out there, just extremely poorly organized. I've located the fact that the processor is a variant of the ArmV7, a OMAP3530, which means that it's a 600Mhz processor integrated with a version of TI's venerable 320-family of DSP processors. Software wise, it's even better. It was designed using public newsgroups, and making maximal use of public software. I'm not sure, but I think some parts of it might be limited in distribution, things like NDAs might be involved here. I don't like that, but it's still geatly better than any of it's competitors. TI has made available software written for the DSP processor implementing the latest version of OpenGL (ES?), so that the Pandora sports the best video 3D output you could have dreamed about. It runs a very recent version of Linux, I think that's 2.6.26. I'd REALLY like to get one of the BSD's here, I don't yet know what the status of that is. Up until recently, OpenBSD had the best support for the ARM, but I know works been done for FreeBSD, so I need to check that out. You begin to understand why I'm *really* looking forward to getting the Pandora delivered to me, in about a month of two. This stuff is really exciting, isn't it? If you want to know more, start at openpandora.org, but expect to have to spend a lot of time getting the info together. I wish this weren't true, but unless I've really missed a lot, then the info just isn't organized very well. If anyone knows more about the things I'm interested in, please, talk to me. Here's a few items ... about making a gcc crosscompiler, what's the --target string? What kind of floating point does it use, what's the actual name used to describe it? What's the status of FreeBSD's ARM stuff, does any of it work for the relatively new ArmV7 (I think it's called the TI OMAP3530, with the DSP being a Cortex A8). Same info for OpenBSD. > > Vince -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkneJEkACgkQz62J6PPcoOn+qgCWIWy+sBbKv4alOfvSrsRS8YcR pQCePHQFSDrwMRzjYjJ8TX22AUkiQwo= =KI5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 20:21:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4F71065670 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmlb@dmlb.org) Received: from dmlb.org (dmlb.org [82.138.252.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231A8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmlb@dmlb.org) Received: from host217-44-131-150.range217-44.btcentralplus.com ([217.44.131.150] helo=[192.168.1.108]) by dmlb.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ls0T3-000B0C-RP; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: <49DE5489.5060201@dmlb.org> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:03:21 +0100 From: Duncan Barclay User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> In-Reply-To: <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Lars Engels , Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:21:55 -0000 Chuck Robey wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Vincent Hoffman wrote: > >> On 9/4/09 07:56, Lars Engels wrote: >> >>> Quoting Chuck Robey : >>> >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> I am truly impressed with that new handhelp computer, the Pandora. I >>>> read >>>> somewhere (I'm trying to find where I saw this) that the Pandora is very >>>> compatible with the BeagleBoard. I was just wondering if any of the >>>> work being >>>> done for the ARM on FreeBSD has been ported to the Pandora? >>>> >>>> I don't know enough about it, *yet*, but I'm working on it. Having >>>> such a great >>>> tiny machine running FreeBSD would be incredible. FreeBSD would be >>>> my first >>>> choice, if I'm going to get a choice. >>>> >>>> >>> What is Pandora? >>> >> I think he means >> http://openpandora.org/ >> Which does look quite nice. >> > > Correct. I've been daydreaming about getting a nice handheld for a long time > now, I dunno, maybe a decade now, but at LEAST since Sharp put out the units > which really started the entire idea. The Pandora, it's the first one I've seen > that really gets to a point that I've been happy with. > > I wouldn't even consider something that didn't have a minimum of 640x480. I > also wanted a keyboard, even if it needed to be of a "chicklet" variety, but it > needed to be pretty close to something that could be described as a QWERTY > keyboard. I wanted a lot of RAM, lot of flash, and enough speed and power to > host it's own compiler. Up until now, I just didn't see anything else out there > that came close to meeting my minimums. Well, Pandora *way* more than meets my > minimums, and it does it at a small fraction of what I thought something like > that's going to cost. > > I know very well that I can't afford this at the moment, but I went ahead and > got on the list to get one of these (it only caost me, base, $330). They info > about this is scattered all over, I don't *think* that there is anything like a > published spec on this, so grabbing the info on the Pandora means spending a LOT > of time on Google. I think everything is out there, just extremely poorly > organized. I've located the fact that the processor is a variant of the ArmV7, > a OMAP3530, which means that it's a 600Mhz processor integrated with a version > of TI's venerable 320-family of DSP processors. > > Software wise, it's even better. It was designed using public newsgroups, and > making maximal use of public software. I'm not sure, but I think some parts of > it might be limited in distribution, things like NDAs might be involved here. I > don't like that, but it's still geatly better than any of it's competitors. TI > has made available software written for the DSP processor implementing the > latest version of OpenGL (ES?), so that the Pandora sports the best video 3D > output you could have dreamed about. It runs a very recent version of Linux, I > think that's 2.6.26. I'd REALLY like to get one of the BSD's here, I don't yet > know what the status of that is. Up until recently, OpenBSD had the best > support for the ARM, but I know works been done for FreeBSD, so I need to check > that out. > > If it is a OMAP 3530, then it has an hardware OpenGL ES 2.0 core, that can do something like 10million triangles/second. It also has hardware acceleration for video decoding, and can mix and match them to two outputs (one 720p, one analogue). The CPU is a Cortex-A8, which is super-scaler and has floating point and SIMD. The OMAP reference manual is available from the TI website, it's a couple of thousand pages though! I've been evaluating these for work recently, and would really like a box like the Pandora too. > You begin to understand why I'm *really* looking forward to getting the Pandora > delivered to me, in about a month of two. This stuff is really exciting, isn't it? > > If you want to know more, start at openpandora.org, but expect to have to spend > a lot of time getting the info together. I wish this weren't true, but unless > I've really missed a lot, then the info just isn't organized very well. If > anyone knows more about the things I'm interested in, please, talk to me. > Here's a few items ... about making a gcc crosscompiler, what's the --target > string? What kind of floating point does it use, what's the actual name used to > describe it? What's the status of FreeBSD's ARM stuff, does any of it work for > the relatively new ArmV7 (I think it's called the TI OMAP3530, with the DSP > being a Cortex A8). Same info for OpenBSD. > The DSP is not a Cortex, it's the 64x series of TI DSP. The Cortex is Arm's latest CPU. Arm instruction sets are labeled as ArmV5, V6, V7 etc. Then, Arm develop CPU cores that implement these: ArmV5 ARM9xx such as an Arm926 processor ArmV6 ARM1176 CPUs ArmV7 ARM Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9s etc. These core's are then licensed to chip manufacturers for them to use. Duncan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 10 19:14:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567581065676 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D898FC16 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4E26D453; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 04D1C84493; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:14:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Duncan Barclay References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> <49DE5489.5060201@dmlb.org> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:14:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <49DE5489.5060201@dmlb.org> (Duncan Barclay's message of "Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:03:21 +0100") Message-ID: <86r600uxrr.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Lars Engels , Vincent Hoffman , Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:14:19 -0000 Duncan Barclay writes: > The DSP is not a Cortex, it's the 64x series of TI DSP. The Cortex is > Arm's latest CPU. Arm instruction sets are labeled as ArmV5, V6, V7 > etc. Then, Arm develop CPU cores that implement these: > ArmV5 ARM9xx such as an Arm926 processor > ArmV6 ARM1176 CPUs > ArmV7 ARM Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9s etc. > These core's are then licensed to chip manufacturers for them to use. So why didn't they just use a TI DaVinci or DaVinci HD? It's an ARMv5 core and a 64x DSP on a single chip, with something like 2 MB of shared SRAM. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 10 19:56:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80E81065670 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C5F8FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D6A6D449; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8CA0F844B9; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:56:48 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Duncan Barclay References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> <49DE5489.5060201@dmlb.org> <86r600uxrr.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:56:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86r600uxrr.fsf@ds4.des.no> ("Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rg?= =?utf-8?Q?rav=22's?= message of "Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:14:16 +0200") Message-ID: <86eiw0uvsv.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Lars Engels , Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:56:50 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > So why didn't they just use a TI DaVinci or DaVinci HD? It's an ARMv5 > core and a 64x DSP on a single chip, with something like 2 MB of shared > SRAM. ...if I remember correctly; it's been over a year since I last worked on one. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 11 18:42:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2F1106564A for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F508FC14 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 31349 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 18:42:21 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 11 Apr 2009 18:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <49E0E4A7.6020406@telenix.org> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:42:47 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= References: <49DD0DD2.8080806@telenix.org> <20090409085601.b54eb5y31ckwcwww@0x20.net> <49DDB2DA.9090409@unsane.co.uk> <49DE2449.8050007@telenix.org> <49DE5489.5060201@dmlb.org> <86r600uxrr.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86r600uxrr.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Lars Engels , Vincent Hoffman , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: do we have support for the Beagle Board? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:42:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Duncan Barclay writes: >> The DSP is not a Cortex, it's the 64x series of TI DSP. The Cortex is >> Arm's latest CPU. Arm instruction sets are labeled as ArmV5, V6, V7 >> etc. Then, Arm develop CPU cores that implement these: >> ArmV5 ARM9xx such as an Arm926 processor >> ArmV6 ARM1176 CPUs >> ArmV7 ARM Cortex-A8, Cortex-A9s etc. I put down the cash for the Pandora, which (according to what I read) has the OMAP3530, which means it has the Cortex-A8 in it, so I'm after that ARMv7A. Your putting that info in an email was a good thing to do for the entire community, but one thing which kinda worries me for it's future implications is that all of the info about the Pandoras seems to come in little dribs and drabs like above. There doesn't seem to be any big spec sheet. Just means that getting all the specs seems to be a bit more difficult than I think it should be. >> These core's are then licensed to chip manufacturers for them to use. I love the fact that they're got that top quality 3D code for the TI 320 that's embedded, but it says that all the code is available via NDA. Sigh, I thought that all of that idiocy would be left behind for a project that advertised as open-source derived. Guess I'm still being innocent. > > So why didn't they just use a TI DaVinci or DaVinci HD? It's an ARMv5 > core and a 64x DSP on a single chip, with something like 2 MB of shared > SRAM. According to what I thought I read, the arm7 has changes from the arm5 it's derived from. Supposed to me 2-3 times more code-efficient? I hope I learn more before I get my toy. Do you have any idea what the FP environment is? softfp? > > DES -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkng5KcACgkQz62J6PPcoOkdxwCgn9T3AJIJqcEnz4j8bw13bP1G H9kAoJ7gxgcbKn/8dt4Qvi7sVUR3DjoP =z5C8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----