From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 16:59:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9B110656B7 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from web1.unixengines.com (web1.unixengines.com [88.198.32.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DA88FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from unixware.iasi.rdsnet.ro ([86.124.51.145] helo=ovi.nobody.ro) by web1.unixengines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1LvvgC-000PlR-Ja for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:45:08 +0300 Message-ID: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:42:18 +0300 From: ovi freebsd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081005 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:59:25 -0000 I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it matters, maybe many of you heard about last news: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/20/128246 - /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Oracle will acquire Sun common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. /Some interesting comments were posted like: --------- Oracle President Safra Catz was also heard to remark... "all your database are belong to us" -------- or Thankfully, I have recently switched myself (and my clients) over to Postgresql. It was a sad day when Oracle got the rights to the InnoDB engine, but at least MySQL itself was in the hands of Sun. With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest free competitor, I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock or investment into MySQL. Is there any anti-trust factors to this? Oracle, being a dominant database player, and buying up the biggest open source database? Aside from that, I find this all very sad. Sun was one of the Unix innvators from the earliest days. Even when they grow large, they still seemed like a "cool company." Healey used to personally answer emails I would send him. Oracle seems to be the antithesis of this; major, corporate, gouging, monster... One can only hope that some of Sun's culture and products will survive. -------- Thinking of all good open source software they got like, besides mysql: openoffice, netbeans, java ......... is indeed sad that IBM did not aquired SUN. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 17:24:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD971065688 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34DF8FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so716877rvb.43 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:24:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ASdRCs5l1Uut6zWSriQYak+LO6sRjE1dTpuV2Ejn1q8=; b=vUy3Ep68PRJKmE7JH7xWuJltwxvORirpz3XX68CmlR6szUp1Dm5ymkiYTc4GfwOLnl LAtTYLlZ+D0X6+UgY7f3FQbYUC00y3e8EnWRctAsYM3X1f+1yGNnXPmmk13j8nXOeGG8 7jZ1+mR2C3bpRBrLcGlHaQkA8MlbtMUvJinrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IqzjQK3eGHrYRd5OW/dM7BTeUBcSPMOEiV8d70wKlkgXxor/3byYbE+Fh7jTgBIWXF LROapn7YKdq2SOE/5i9YfaFXoSAOrOBA0wgQzKNyRc2ir8oy3sc5pX7lgsD/FmZAYBmX fG7ETBPyoL8faQvKhFjtPgC3HQ4DqHc4nJIH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr2567959rvf.29.1240246995734; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:03:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:03:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:44 -0000 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, ovi freebsd wrot= e: > I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it matte= rs, > maybe many of you heard about last news: > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D09/04/20/128246 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - > /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) > announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which > Oracle will acquire Sun > > common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. The really interesting bit, at least for me, will be seeing what happens with btrfs now that Oracle has full access to ZFS. Will they continue development of btrfs? Will they port ZFS to Linux? Will they release ZFS as GPL? Will they borrow ideas from ZFS for btrfs and vice versa? What will this mean for the rest of the OSS world that is using ZFS? --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 19:07:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EA7106566C for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f167.google.com (mail-fx0-f167.google.com [209.85.220.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1628FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2157182fxm.43 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kEc5EhWydTozNQql4k7KsBx1H2gOMnSi9Fqf5SrgHfA=; b=uDFkiaIxdGXSAQAUKZ3VROyVHPF/1HyFdMM7cbfpm429RU9RNDvh6Cd0cOPxkdVqk+ d9+YKK0LzhfB7jfCpEFsIPESYYMPFifGr6JzmjEanvQ5QrKy4hBVErvSbaOwKEHIHF8h lV+YeFY01awPri6C22ZIFuQGcW+L1bKH+loQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xjNcfH0ycvbfumgu9vJ5AMsbrccv3H6EzqiBmBp8F9DYbsh5DTeFoVviA4CXxpfffs Hej58VMPaSaEAAv+yOjm4i88o/E7VZ7VFBz5yL2sR1MghVkBG5RMXnc0yauAFXpVzxDL haT2ossQceSqdq8T5dnSCRFKNHUAbOIG/NqsE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.238.4 with SMTP id p4mr3289073mur.68.1240254458437; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:07:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:07:40 -0000 Doesn't the US law have something to stop one company buying up another where they are direct competitors? I hope Sun have/will agree to release the MySQL rights to the whom ever has been working on it at Sun H/Q, although I very much doubt this. -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 19:55:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6B6106567A for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3AD8FC13 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1701696wfg.7 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oE7UhlawkERYXYUYsUAhvrr7mr9LcjKV4aEg1eF0YLg=; b=nfek3uRFkx9tdUXKX64mQl8LpLXyjZgPHSXou0GjN1i2/YYq1NqZ9NA4c68n6n4+uI U2cohW4ighio5+lNyiTafuld4DY/+8QYVdLZcYY8F691dMZEZ+XAoaJSBKiafFSL65j0 +Hmon0syQNClmXhIO/VvJ5Q1eWWqmmL1H7ySE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XjEElqRNZ8yVyEHOi/d4lFDSdB9XK1qo3qeegB9IyDmCCkfDJZisel9StjrHK/MgOS kkMmogAXPUlldS4RUlwzfEHrsdaAbHXZEVKtwrPA8vcPLU85zUqu52wKzRHMHDIjCN4G esv6mvQMb9AXnOz2hoO7VTV+tnmYqVQk5p4zc= Received: by 10.142.187.19 with SMTP id k19mr1137919wff.218.1240257308413; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm6972387wff.7.2009.04.20.12.55.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49ECD307.901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:54:47 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:55:09 -0000 Jayton Garnett wrote: > Doesn't the US law have something to stop one company buying up another > where they are direct competitors? I hope Sun have/will agree to release the > MySQL rights to the whom ever has been working on it at Sun H/Q, although I > very much doubt this. > > > -- > Jay > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > That law is more like "you can't have a monopoly" * Clause "Unless you are the government" i think. but lets hope the stock holders don't sell. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 20:02:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E43F106564A for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from c-0500.emailmediator.com (c-0500.emailmediator.com [64.85.162.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF00D8FC1B for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-173-74-38-198.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([173.74.38.198] helo=reedmedia.net) by c-0500.emailmediator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LvzNE-0001Uj-DE for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:41:48 -0400 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 24682-1240256509; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:41:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:41:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:02:57 -0000 > Doesn't the US law have something to stop one company buying up another > where they are direct competitors? I hope Sun have/will agree to release > the MySQL rights to the whom ever has been working on it at Sun H/Q, > although I very much doubt this. Most parts of MySQL are GPL'd. Anyone may use and extend the existing code that is under that license as long as they follow that license. As for "paid" employees, I don't know how they'd react if Oracle was to change licensing for "new" releases (go with the flow and continue to get paid -- or quit and work for free on GPL'd version). From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 20 22:56:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5461065670 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53DE8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B986CE3C31 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD216ABCFF for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-092-075-204-205.pools.arcor-ip.net [92.75.204.205]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84CC739A5EF for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:23:06 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-06.arcor-online.net 84CC739A5EF Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3KMN6qA028554 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:23:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n3KMN6Zn028553 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:23:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:56:37 -0000 ovi freebsd wrote: > With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest > free competitor, I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock > or investment into MySQL. MySQL is open source. GPLed in fact. So what exactly are Oracle going to do to take it away from you? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 01:03:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847AC106564A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572F88FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D56509D0; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:32 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WUfSjqTTzikr; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C9B7509CF ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:48:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49ED17B9.80701@langille.org> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:47:53 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovi freebsd References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> In-Reply-To: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:03:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ovi freebsd wrote: > > I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it > matters, maybe many of you heard about last news: > > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/20/128246 - > /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) > announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under > which Oracle will acquire Sun > > common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. > > /Some interesting comments were posted like: > --------- > Oracle President Safra Catz was also heard to remark... > > "all your database are belong to us" > -------- > or > > Thankfully, I have recently switched myself (and my clients) over to > Postgresql. > > It was a sad day when Oracle got the rights to the InnoDB engine, but at > least MySQL itself was in the hands of Sun. > > With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest > free competitor, I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock > or investment into MySQL. A point of order: The sale has not been completed. It is merely an agreement. A better subject would be: Oracle agrees to buy Sun. - -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkntF7gACgkQCgsXFM/7nTy44wCfQEGmTxZ8XQ46DUc36v8umx+5 RzcAn1CEkTRolTgjrfypFHWpdg8kC+HF =5IsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 08:48:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5555E1065675 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD548FC21 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3L8lp3x082987; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:48:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n3L8lpxL082986; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:47:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:48:14 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:48:17 -0000 Christian Weisgerber wrote: > ovi freebsd wrote: > > > With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest > > free competitor, I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock > > or investment into MySQL. > > MySQL is open source. GPLed in fact. So what exactly are Oracle > going to do to take it away from you? It should also be noted that Oracle owns Berkeley DB for more than three years already, and it's still open source and under the old "Sleepycat" license (which is similar to and compatible with the GPL). I don't think things will be much different for MySQL. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Clear perl code is better than unclear awk code; but NOTHING comes close to unclear perl code" (taken from comp.lang.awk FAQ) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 09:17:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CD0106564A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA8D8FC1C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so1791152bwz.43 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=l1R40/zzXSXNnSHme/DIPb+ZIB0nBTfxDvgLW8hRVXA=; b=LCjbRiLGkB/ISPs2nngDUOS5/A31/08cGNxXq0hCUZGLg1MQc3DC4VDZTmsCtnPnNA vctsiUVZGDUQeA5u3HtnkgE12BczYVn1kr7VLnHbuVkf3pUSKkIRVYeuXeb3vr8cDBaA psER8Gc0ETvW20rB9kdamXgX7hjfkbVM+OZbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=R+co9BCxW+ybze3dSUeS+XO5Ijta9dK48f5Shzq/hnE2af61GvtY8cdd/H/HgTELUe uFU5MClaVImrtNEyjsP1kL6QanEfua9+RGxvg72FvZAc5Ly2OUUmbU55xBogo6+c6ZgV ZCHsXk8R2xOp3Fx8tGP4f19jKHG5yqyRydiU4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr3654833mul.43.1240305444088; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:17:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:17:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:17:25 -0000 Oliver, I hope you are right on that score. I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's development. Maybe it's going to be the opposite, maybe Oracle will continue with the development of MySQL and apply some Oracle 'features' to MySQL... -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 09:44:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7D1065679 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from web1.unixengines.com (web1.unixengines.com [88.198.32.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B12D8FC21 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from unixware.iasi.rdsnet.ro ([86.124.51.145] helo=ovi.nobody.ro) by web1.unixengines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1LwCXa-000AuY-OY; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:45:22 +0300 Message-ID: <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:42:28 +0300 From: ovi freebsd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081005 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freddie Cash References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:44:10 -0000 Freddie Cash wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, ovi freebsd wrote: > >> I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it matters, >> maybe many of you heard about last news: >> >> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/20/128246 - >> /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) >> announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which >> Oracle will acquire Sun >> >> common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. >> > > The really interesting bit, at least for me, will be seeing what > happens with btrfs now that Oracle has full access to ZFS. Will they > continue development of btrfs? Will they port ZFS to Linux? Will > they release ZFS as GPL? Will they borrow ideas from ZFS for btrfs > and vice versa? What will this mean for the rest of the OSS world > that is using ZFS? > > From what I know Oracle do not have a good history with open source (and not a bad one... yet)... they only took Linux from Red Hat and are making money of it... I don't think they will give something back to open source community but... we'll see... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 11:05:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1AC106566B for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A9D8FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W7 ([65.54.168.107]) by bay0-omc1-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:05:24 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.204.21.151] From: Rick N To: , Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:24 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2009 11:05:24.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[11BA8820:01C9C271] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: RE: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:24 -0000 (Actually) and Histrorically=2C Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's (and v= ice-versa)=2C Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the BSD/Unix which l= ater he took to form a little company called Sun Microsytems in the late '7= 0's. =20 Times are sure a changin'. Personally=2C I can thank SunOS for getting me into UNIX in 1996. In fact=2C I can honestly say that my Sun expertise later proved to give m= e a "LOT" of solid full-time work as a Sun Unix Sys Admin for another 10 ye= ars. =20 Basically we can thank Sun and the Internet for our house and land that my= wife and I own today. =20 Sun was one of the best employers=2C and I know I will never find an emplo= yer as good as that ever again. =20 Sun was to UNIX/Internet=2C like NASA was to the Space Program. =20 I guess (as far as OpenSource...) it's ALL up to the xBSD's and Linux now. =20 Hey!=2C lets buy Oracle ! :) =20 Rick. =20 > Date: Mon=2C 20 Apr 2009 18:42:18 +0300 > From: lists@freebsdonline.com > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Oracle buys Sun >=20 >=20 > I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it=20 > matters=2C maybe many of you heard about last news: >=20 > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D09/04/20/128246 -=20 > /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA)=20 > announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under=20 > which Oracle will acquire Sun=20 > =20 > common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. >=20 > /Some interesting comments were posted like: > --------- > Oracle President Safra Catz was also heard to remark... >=20 > "all your database are belong to us" > -------- > or >=20 >=20 > Thankfully=2C I have recently switched myself (and my clients) over to=20 > Postgresql. >=20 > It was a sad day when Oracle got the rights to the InnoDB engine=2C but a= t=20 > least MySQL itself was in the hands of Sun. >=20 > With Oracle now owning all the rights to what is probably the biggest=20 > free competitor=2C I think the open source world shouldn't put much stock= =20 > or investment into MySQL. >=20 > Is there any anti-trust factors to this? Oracle=2C being a dominant=20 > database player=2C and buying up the biggest open source database? >=20 > Aside from that=2C I find this all very sad. Sun was one of the Unix=20 > innvators from the earliest days. Even when they grow large=2C they still= =20 > seemed like a "cool company." Healey used to personally answer emails I=20 > would send him. Oracle seems to be the antithesis of this=3B major=2C=20 > corporate=2C gouging=2C monster... One can only hope that some of Sun's=20 > culture and products will survive. > -------- >=20 >=20 > Thinking of all good open source software they got like=2C besides mysql:= =20 > openoffice=2C netbeans=2C java ......... is indeed sad that IBM did not=20 > aquired SUN. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9650734= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 11:27:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203A11065677 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu (msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu [128.147.248.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE528FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net (128.147.28.1) by msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu (128.147.248.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.358.0; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:27:08 -0400 Received: from msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::e138:c1a9:3f92:cf44]) by msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::2411:fcdc:e28:2adf%13]) with mapi; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:27:14 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" To: ovi freebsd , Freddie Cash Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:27:13 -0400 Thread-Topic: Oracle buys Sun Thread-Index: AcnCZcKUAzoV6XtURemQx0iH+0gvHAADgEaA Message-ID: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8846@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> In-Reply-To: <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:27:16 -0000 > From what I know Oracle do not have a good history with open source (and = not a bad one... yet)... they only took Linux from Red Hat and are=20 > making money of it... I don't think they will give something back to open= source community but... we'll see... Doesn't Oracle own Postgres Db? I would think that would have something to = do with what they do with MySQL or vice versa. Rod Person Sr. Programmer http://www.ccbh.com "And of all the passions the most mischievous is pleasure. Why so? Because = all things are the slave of pleasure; and because the life of the wicked is= governed by pleasure as by a master." - Philo The Second Book of the Treatise on The Allegories of the Sacred Laws, a= fter the Work of the Six Days of Creation.= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 13:21:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437C61065673 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FBC8FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3LDKw1G094876; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:21:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n3LDKwV0094875; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:20:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200904211320.n3LDKwV0094875@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:21:23 -0000 Jayton Garnett wrote: > I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do with > MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's development. No. Buying Sun has something to do with Oracle wanting to have their own "real" operating system. I don't think the existence of MySQL played any role in the agreement between Sun and Oracle. > Maybe it's going to be the opposite, maybe Oracle will continue with the > development of MySQL and apply some Oracle 'features' to MySQL... By the way, I recommend to read the press release (if you haven't done so yet): http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 MySQL doesn't fit in that picture at all. So there are several possibilities for Oracle: - Drop MySQL. That would be a mistake, because they would lose the low-cost market: Somebody else will pick it up and continue development -- it's GPL after all. - Merge Oracle DB with MySQL, or add features from Oracle DB to MySQL. This doesn't make sense at all (apart from the fact that it would cause licensing problems). Why would they want to do that? That would weaken the position of the Oracle DB. - Don't change anything regarding MySQL, and let the MySQL development group continue to do their work. So, I'm really not worried about the future of MySQL. PostgreSQL is much better anyway. ;-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 13:31:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565481065677 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:31:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC7B8FC1F for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3LDUohW095391; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:31:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n3LDUoRL095390; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:30:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200904211330.n3LDUoRL095390@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, personrp@upmc.edu In-Reply-To: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8846@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, personrp@upmc.edu List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:31:15 -0000 Person, Roderick wrote: > Doesn't Oracle own Postgres Db? No. They own Berkeley DB (they acquired Sleepycat Software about three years ago, who developped Berkeley DB since 1996). PostgreSQL, which also originates from Berkeley, is developed by a global group of volunteers, much like FreeBSD. It is distributed under a very liberal license: a zero-clause BSD- style license. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on your monitor or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on a web site, and you must change them very often. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 13:32:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52261106566C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:32:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from keltia.freenix.fr (keltia.freenix.org [IPv6:2001:660:330f:f820:213:72ff:fe15:f44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EFC8FC1B for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix/TLS) with ESMTP id 082023BDCA for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at keltia.freenix.fr Received: from keltia.freenix.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (keltia.freenix.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6els3MOJPGYc for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix/TLS, from userid 101) id AD14F3BDC8; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:14 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090421133214.GA62097@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <10911.2654.10281@localhost> <20090203151245.60447.qmail@mailgate.gta.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090203151245.60447.qmail@mailgate.gta.com> X-Operating-System: MacOS X / Macbook Pro - FreeBSD 7 / Dell D820 SMP User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: UTF as Filename Extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:32:17 -0000 According to Larry Baird: > I have also put utf-8 bomb characters at the beginning of my text files. > Take a look at: > http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Working_with_Unicode You don't need BOM for UTF-8 files, UTF-8 is a byte-oriented encoding, that's one of its great interest... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr In memoriam to Ondine : http://ondine.keltia.net/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 15:58:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAAF10656B7 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com (mail-gx0-f220.google.com [209.85.217.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C0A8FC16 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so6220823gxk.19 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2+mk58Hc7C6g33TMyOueCatPgq8L3Uda7MJBC3qpwHY=; b=TM6Obk5Aq4WHOLikpF6UbrBPCzg2oybwi/WXrvc/NgwThug0ujPytwsrz/6Ao1I6pd 1GbWDMpZxhmyFJazvJXorTKzP3CZjr39k5bHevgR9BxIkd+2pYikNElIKfFoIXI3sLdh orU/5Q9YQ4hY9F0qHWwGbec5988OZnv5fsaJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R4wI4DLMqKQ/rgyAJzlHBCmbjM9LILj8SvD4dbYr+KEEubJa3r0qtzF9bz1pMEB4zL lZsADgkptaNZEjK/MN+phqGZIxcs9Ewsqce9XdR1+LGfAZGNUnrjlCzHryrHbtSnmekp dh/sRvXC8hSo65n+U5HFJr0nTQBsbMY442gAk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.149.19 with SMTP id w19mr3579870ybd.227.1240329067742; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200904211320.n3LDKwV0094875@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200904211320.n3LDKwV0094875@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:51:07 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000904210851p719f9d3es826dec6127ef2439@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: Oliver Fromme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:58:27 -0000 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Oliver Fromme wro= te: > =A0> Maybe it's going to be the opposite, maybe Oracle will continue with= the > =A0> development of MySQL and apply some Oracle 'features' to MySQL... > > By the way, I recommend to read the press release (if you > haven't done so yet): > > http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 > > MySQL doesn't fit in that picture at all. =A0So there are > several possibilities for Oracle: > > =A0- Drop MySQL. =A0That would be a mistake, because they would > =A0 lose the low-cost market: =A0Somebody else will pick it up > =A0 and continue development -- it's GPL after all. > +1 > =A0- Merge Oracle DB with MySQL, or add features from Oracle DB > =A0 to MySQL. =A0This doesn't make sense at all (apart from the > =A0 fact that it would cause licensing problems). =A0Why would > =A0 they want to do that? =A0That would weaken the position of > =A0 the Oracle DB. mysql is not even in the same universe of ORA IMHO. it's not even on the radar of most sites that run oracle - atleast for key business processes. > > =A0- Don't change anything regarding MySQL, and let the MySQL > =A0 development group continue to do their work. > probably what is going to happen. i reckon oracle wanted a low-end offering so people could augment their oracle installs with mysql and still give support dollars to oracle. thats were the money is - support. -p --=20 ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 16:10:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B59106564A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA158FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so469793yxb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:10:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pWVteE0YnBoUOiaYGBVXK4zay8FepXFhvld30k1nl64=; b=U3z22Tpt6n19lPX4KzANxnF/6y/nzqB06QjUcvLHtCa61hSiGHupJb4pTLY9MtuxYe pN70eq1Ht1szebTcOKN5SPYivKeJkbgg3PR6Q60jChKM4UUU5UOurkQxyB1TDsam+6vt 0ZEg3VynhvmFZMyQ9NBdBP2cKc9sbiuZ0iTyY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Au/R20ap1c/LXLKGGJPVoart/ey6qhXbSCJVsfZRRilugL6y/OfP79JyfZkDedyHit f5pm2DbFC68ROpMO5mJz8PHXqHKhV0bUe02UBWKGSAIzlHSom58fquxFwD7gPJ6u+RWr WagkVE/RucQyXmFUJ2dlMHrrDheGACASokDck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.150.13 with SMTP id c13mr5587097ybo.94.1240328853077; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:47:33 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000904210847n3679373fx65957a15aa4a40d7@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: ovi freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:10:04 -0000 On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:42 AM, ovi freebsd wrot= e: > Freddie Cash wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, ovi freebsd >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I know this is not about FreeBSD but it is about open source and it >>> matters, >>> maybe many of you heard about last news: >>> >>> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D09/04/20/128246 =A0 =A0= =A0 - >>> /"Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ: ORCL) and Sun Microsystems (NASDAQ: JAVA) >>> announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under whi= ch >>> Oracle will acquire Sun >>> >>> common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. >>> >> >> The really interesting bit, at least for me, will be seeing what >> happens with btrfs now that Oracle has full access to ZFS. =A0Will they >> continue development of btrfs? =A0Will they port ZFS to Linux? =A0Will >> they release ZFS as GPL? =A0Will they borrow ideas from ZFS for btrfs >> and vice versa? =A0What will this mean for the rest of the OSS world >> that is using ZFS? >> >> > > From what I know Oracle do not have a good history with open source (and = not > a bad one... yet)... they only took Linux from Red Hat and are making mon= ey > of it... I don't think they will give something back to open source > community but... we'll see... > Well the reason that Oracle branched the RHEL tree was mostly due to support issues that redhat is unable to address (i.e. they are not able to provide the level of support most large scale oracle sites need - it's not really their fault, they are a small company compared to oracle). I see no problem with a company offering support, and patches, to a clearly open sourced project. let the user decide who they give their money to. This does not even begin to address the amount of Oracle engineers that are actually working on filesystems and patches to the linux kernel to make it sorta stable to be able to run oracle in the first place. so i'm not sure one can look at a branch of rhel and deduce that oracle is going to close up mysql but i digress - this is the freebsd list :) this acquisition was clearly so oracle could ensure the future of java, and they got a decent hardware portfolio and OS thrown in for good measure. -p --=20 ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 23:26:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF821106566C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC978FC18 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C309DDF80; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:26 +1000 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D1DEA108E; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:21 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:21 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Rick N Message-ID: <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hUH5gZbnpyIv7Mn4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: lists@freebsdonline.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSD (was: Oracle buys Sun) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:26:13 -0000 --hUH5gZbnpyIv7Mn4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +0000, Rick N wrote: > > (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's > (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the > BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun > Microsytems in the late '70's. This is more than a slight understatement. Bill Joy created BSD, more or less single-handedly. [trailing garbage omitted] Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --hUH5gZbnpyIv7Mn4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAknuUakACgkQIubykFB6QiPMYACfQXlgoHAi+NaIq3VtDD1HyI9j fPcAoIY7IYpO9eJ1pBGsuORXxNeXtFj1 =a5jT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hUH5gZbnpyIv7Mn4-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 23:42:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734C2106566B for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F118FC1B for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB7350A86; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:42:52 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YgzlQSS4rSR2; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:42:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DB57509CF ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:42:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49EE59D0.5020707@langille.org> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:42:08 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090111) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Person, Roderick" References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8846@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> In-Reply-To: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8846@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ovi freebsd , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:42:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Person, Roderick wrote: >> From what I know Oracle do not have a good history with open source (and not a bad one... yet)... they only took Linux from Red Hat and are >> making money of it... I don't think they will give something back to open source community but... we'll see... > > Doesn't Oracle own Postgres Db? I would think that would have something to do with what they do with MySQL or vice versa. Hell no. There's nothing to buy. We like it like that. - -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknuWdAACgkQCgsXFM/7nTz+sQCfX9uBD7owHG7X+0+ZThfSBJGz 27EAn0QahawaBOtrtJ6tqOR0fFis6Bsr =yMNJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 01:49:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D41106564A for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1481C8FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3F7DE095; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:49:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8CAA108E; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:49:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:49:29 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jayton Garnett Message-ID: <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:49:37 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 10:17:24 +0100, Jayton Garnett wrote: > > I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do with > MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's > development. Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the contrary. To quote one involved person: > I think that's utter nonsense. There isn't the slightest sign > reduced funding. On the contrary, engineering is trying to do three > or four or five releases in parallel. Nuts, perhaps, but not a sign > tight budgets. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAknud6kACgkQIubykFB6QiNw8gCeLGs04tasKT4tQfA7PR6z0PmE D/EAn3KEaJ4D8ZD0sLXP6G4Y6EpJtgdW =BTUu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 03:38:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8B1106566B for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6434C8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m38so1587747waf.27 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OL1spbZLk94DrYGtNlaMr2JuLNOYAUnkzNEgdVbn6QE=; b=QjLO9jdODt00Cy+aeJvTJQLxvTcntyqHmLXR2XDsTLU78WBJIiiBuDc5tn35H/+4P8 cka2Vb1I2VHZf0+kHhyiGiXISAlB1T3GjHJ+YEi2MEhmjxRwcifSJDSfe2GtAqtwYkYX LmyLQ6IMShFWjRBOj+oN2lKfy2Phw5W8qhaAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l/JgT1W5KBs6FvB0KvjF0OdlRXNA7Ph454vdEu70MW6IeVX5ubh5av2QUmf1anI1ss 0L4vQZeK++EURwcjGKsneBliz4UKB9IW/wdtBq1JhsK10C37ddxQyS2yRobBxMb6QTXA T9x4WTI28Y6/IDgEM0YQRLF/ZyX1vNYWsV0JM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.157.4 with SMTP id f4mr2194338rve.1.1240371517132; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:38:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:38:37 -0000 Thinking about things a bit, this seems to be a good buy for Oracle. Most likely, IMO, would be an effort to bring MySQL up to the point where it can become Oracle Lite (with paid support, of course), to be used as a the gateway drug to Oracle Express (with more paid support), which is just a stepping-stone to the full Oracle. All with nice, for-pay migration tools. Get'em hooked on the free stuff, then reel them in for the big bucks!! My bet is that we are going to see a lot of development going toward creating a nice spectrum with MySQL+scripting-language-du-jour+whatever-OS on the one end and Oracle DB+Java+Solaris+SPARC on the other, with MySQL on Solaris in the middle. At the same time, we'll see a nice push to get Oracle (more?) optimised for all the storage goodness in Solaris, and a stronger focus on storage hardware solutions/products (storage demand will never go away). And, hopefully, some consolidating and strengthening of the Enterprise Java stack, again, all nicely (more?) optmised for the heavily threaded T1/T2/the-next-SPARC architecture(s). In theory, Oracle can become the next IBM, providing everything you could want in a DB server, storage server, Java server, etc. With all the nice expensive support options available in-house. As a vertical, all-in-one-shop setup, they're looking really good. Especially if you look at things in the long-term, and skip over the knee-jerk reactions. ;) The wildcard bits that will be interesting to watch are OpenOffice.org, VirtualBox, and all the other non-DB-related bits that SUN has. Those don't really fit into the new Oracle landscape, IMO. But, I'm just lowly network admin, who hasn't touched Oracle since university (and Oracle Personal could be used as a form of torture), so what do I know? :D -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 08:36:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6994106566C for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f165.google.com (mail-bw0-f165.google.com [209.85.218.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DEA8FC21 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so2339533bwz.43 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:36:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OLF09jrqQkt6BQ4nSUMUWIC5DoBkrHrPyph3RAAHE0Y=; b=ruYT8uRrvC0VWiL+mTHWcj9zfCl3rXr/1IhfDxu3FcD55f6qCz8TweoemC2e4FvGfU guIIMEGGyPUMBrlMBFWCXkblHFN3jPY4/eh+pXT6uz0cfSbu/ReViD9rienab+gEvodO QyngqtWcQbrZ4tQl/ceRBKPHsQi02qXjD+N68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JNRkMkB0thq38J0QVKLN47nPBqVzliTkRNNftjOScXqxm52HvtcQB7OQIg27dtOrs6 8VLfIQCPExaXkqf2HOtgY8xCliumiWfercm0s3Tlgk2g6tqapulKdVsLJpGdoryqAdv9 2ply3vWvWplAzMzFnDJ9BEietEuRVSiafTLtQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.24.11 with SMTP id b11mr4365076muj.76.1240389377874; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:36:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:36:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: BSD (was: Oracle buys Sun) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:36:19 -0000 He is our god, let this be known ! All hail Bill Joy ! All hail Bill Joy ! -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 12:14:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57FA1065670 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu (msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu [128.147.248.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EED08FC2E for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from personrp@UPMC.EDU) Received: from msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net (128.147.28.1) by msxedgnsprd01.gw.upmc.edu (128.147.248.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.358.0; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:14:34 -0400 Received: from msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::e138:c1a9:3f92:cf44]) by msxhcsnsprd03.acct.upmchs.net ([fe80::2411:fcdc:e28:2adf%13]) with mapi; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:14:41 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" To: Dan Langille Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:14:40 -0400 Thread-Topic: Oracle buys Sun Thread-Index: AcnC2uSkC3JrFiMLR32/yaZmjwLZIAAaIeIQ Message-ID: <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8BA1@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <49ED9504.2070803@freebsdonline.com> <1AE59099C6D80E41BEB64A1768AFB4EA0EDF8846@msxmbxnsprd18.acct.upmchs.net> <49EE59D0.5020707@langille.org> In-Reply-To: <49EE59D0.5020707@langille.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: ovi freebsd , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:14:43 -0000 >From: Dan Langille [mailto:dan@langille.org]=20 >Person, Roderick wrote: >> From what I know Oracle do not have a good history with open source=20 >> (and not a bad one... yet)... they only took Linux from Red Hat and are = making money of it... I don't think they will give something back to open s= ource community but... we'll see... >=20 >> Doesn't Oracle own Postgres Db? I would think that would have something = to do with what they do with MySQL or vice versa. >Hell no. >There's nothing to buy. We like it like that. Sorry, I got confused with the IBM funding of PostgresSQL. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 15:16:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FC6106566B for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D468FC1D for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980246D41B; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7FC5B844B5; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:16:33 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:16:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> (Greg Lehey's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:49:29 +1000") Message-ID: <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:35 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > Jayton Garnett writes: > > I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do > > with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's > > development. > Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the > contrary. Think future, not past. Why would Oracle want to finance the development of one of their main competitors? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 15:38:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EDF106566B for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A6C8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w9so12012mue.3 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=084Oo35JXomBvDu0xArm5mfmFvja/yLZVqDMDD6Vszc=; b=NKjoKe4YLVDYoVyzRDpb4fxhxTrh1gVE3SHJ+nHbeOWg6EY1zpoa7BpZ10MMktAKw6 97o+mBsauQWBZAkub+0j5yZvMYyRGYp8t8doB7l/veabgSeZukx0S6xK0vluIl4BaO9P RvneuSSgXEk0wTHR/6sM72Fy9PG16J68PRPaU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=P774YlUo0T4cOtpEaIrlY27rXW5GXAdJ3OlN4fKIuWP7RZjq2kdnwtsa88z6b7GyHm aM5D0dBGRqYD12oQV1VfoBRVHY70U4YY/tAEC/MNRXU/s5dYJzvk7ecOFSkmqg0mH9Mz gYVbuY8bV5IYrwpfjcCu7c07lbet2Nkq0d8rg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.227.13 with SMTP id e13mr4621007mur.20.1240414691461; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:38:13 -0000 > > > Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the > > contrary. > It's only just been announced that Oracle intend on purchasing the Sun shares, they would not make any announcements like that just yet, that will most likely come in 6 - 12 months time. Drugs dealers do it because they know it's going to work it's a tired and tested *business model* if you like, however as a business giving away a product that is free and has rivalled your own for years is an entirely different matter. We may all squabble about it now and give our opinions, but we won't know for sure until Oracle make their move. -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 15:53:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F53106566B; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.netplex.net (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495198FC14; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deischen@freebsd.org) Received: from sea.ntplx.net (sea.ntplx.net [204.213.176.11]) by mail.netplex.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id n3MFW5YY002167; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS and Clam AntiVirus (mail.netplex.net) X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by DRAC access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (mail.netplex.net [204.213.176.10]); Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:32:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen X-X-Sender: eischen@sea.ntplx.net To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1903590565-1240414325=:13272" Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Eischen List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:53:35 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-1903590565-1240414325=:13272 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: >> Jayton Garnett writes: >>> I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do >>> with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's >>> development. >> Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the >> contrary. > > Think future, not past. Why would Oracle want to finance the > development of one of their main competitors? Positive press? As a way to entice HW purchases (Solaris/Linux preloaded with and tuned for Mysql)? For Mysql support contracts and classes? An entry way into the more profitable Oracle systems (why do dealers give away free drugs to school kids)? --=20 DE ---559023410-1903590565-1240414325=:13272-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 17:50:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FC310656AC for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.griffiths@tenenbaum.co.uk) Received: from mail.tenenbaum.co.uk (87-194-142-21.bethere.co.uk [87.194.142.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1998FC27 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon.griffiths@tenenbaum.co.uk) Received: from ion (ion.int.tenenbaum.co.uk [192.168.1.15]) by mail.tenenbaum.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF87211451 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:33:53 +0100 (BST) From: "Simon Griffiths" To: References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:33:54 +0100 Message-ID: <012901c9c370$822eabe0$868c03a0$@griffiths@tenenbaum.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnDYo00ryRELVVzSbaAPRj0cHiJNQADeMlg Content-Language: en-gb Subject: RE: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:50:45 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] > On Behalf Of Daniel Eischen > Sent: 22 April 2009 16:32 > To: Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav > Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey; Jayton Garnett; freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun >=20 > On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: >=20 > Positive press? >=20 > As a way to entice HW purchases (Solaris/Linux preloaded with and=20 > tuned for Mysql)? >=20 > For Mysql support contracts and classes? >=20 > An entry way into the more profitable Oracle systems (why do dealers=20 > give away free drugs to school kids)? Agreed, this is becoming SOP in the field, take the Express editions or = Oracle and M$ SQL Server. Maybe MySQL would replace this offering? =20 Imagine the amount of *large* sites that currently use MySQL that could = be linked/badged with an Oracle product. Simon From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 23:15:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07DA106567D for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB01E8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8821FDDF04; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:15:03 +1000 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABF36A108E; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:14:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:14:53 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20090422231453.GN65705@dereel.lemis.com> References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zBPbvmIlJjvpbu6L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:15:09 -0000 --zBPbvmIlJjvpbu6L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 17:16:33 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: >> Jayton Garnett writes: >>> I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do >>> with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's >>> development. >> >> Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the >> contrary. > > Think future, not past. That doesn't fit Jayton's original statement. Sun is in the past in this scenario. > Why would Oracle want to finance the development of one of their > main competitors? If they buy them, they're not a competitor. Thinking future means forgetting the lessons of history. Why did Oracle buy InnoBase, which only runs on MySQL? Admittedly, we at MySQL did a lot of head-scratching about that at the time, but it certainly didn't look like they were trying to close things down. FWIW, during my time at MySQL, Oracle continued active development of InnoDB. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --zBPbvmIlJjvpbu6L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAknvpO0ACgkQIubykFB6QiPi2gCeIeTgrJP+RxbOHBrw1kIC9UUg qg0An3kGqsFmX91XTYUeunUvnBtAyCKP =y7Hj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zBPbvmIlJjvpbu6L-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 00:07:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609C5106566C for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEA68FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 3488 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 00:07:41 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2009 00:07:41 -0000 Message-ID: <49EFB15A.3010807@telenix.org> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:07:54 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lists@freebsdonline.com, Rick N , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:07:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +0000, Rick N wrote: >> (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's >> (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the >> BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun >> Microsytems in the late '70's. > > This is more than a slight understatement. Bill Joy created BSD, more > or less single-handedly. Suppose this could be true, but it's not what I read ... that it started with the 4 folks in the CSRG, but began (pretty early on) getting contributions from all over the globe. I wouldn't want to minimize what Bill Joy did, but saying he did it "more of less singlehandedly" seems to be an unfair exaggeration. I guess I would say I was skeptical about giving him that much credit. I wonder if he would agree? God knows, though, that what he DID do was pretty huge. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknvsVoACgkQz62J6PPcoOnx3wCfSpmmZDJUOyvXVuUVWig2okqc AUAAnim0fWGYX8KWq16cjf+kgBrcK5tu =u4im -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 00:39:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6F0106566B for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD6A8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqIEAL9V70mC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACNHbIWAQkFiCCITYJBgTMGhVo Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 22 Apr 2009 17:39:02 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3FP1HF555) with ESMTP id 2009042217385993-2532 ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:38:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <57d710000904210851p719f9d3es826dec6127ef2439@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200904211320.n3LDKwV0094875@lurza.secnetix.de> <57d710000904210851p719f9d3es826dec6127ef2439@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3FP1HF555 | January 28, 2009) at 04/22/2009 17:39:00, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 04/22/2009 17:39:02, Serialize complete at 04/22/2009 17:39:02 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-851401618-1240447140=:25317" Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:39:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-851401618-1240447140=:25317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, pete wright wrote: > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Oliver Fromme w= rote: > >> =A0- Merge Oracle DB with MySQL, or add features from Oracle DB >> =A0 to MySQL. =A0This doesn't make sense at all (apart from the >> =A0 fact that it would cause licensing problems). =A0Why would >> =A0 they want to do that? =A0That would weaken the position of >> =A0 the Oracle DB. > > mysql is not even in the same universe of ORA IMHO. it's not even on > the radar of most sites that run oracle - atleast for key business > processes. MySQL is not good with scalability, I heard. > NYC's *BSD User Group > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-851401618-1240447140=:25317-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 03:21:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185671065670 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:21:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8658FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4063FDE0B7; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:21:03 +1000 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 292EFA108E; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:20:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:20:57 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Chuck Robey Message-ID: <20090423032057.GQ65705@dereel.lemis.com> References: <49EC97DA.5020600@freebsdonline.com> <20090421230721.GF65705@dereel.lemis.com> <49EFB15A.3010807@telenix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MXxcbiX/Q4+iy5U7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49EFB15A.3010807@telenix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: lists@freebsdonline.com, Rick N , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Bill Joy's contribution (was: BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:21:08 -0000 --MXxcbiX/Q4+iy5U7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 20:07:54 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +0000, Rick N wrote: >>> (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's >>> (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the >>> BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun >>> Microsytems in the late '70's. >> >> This is more than a slight understatement. Bill Joy created BSD, more >> or less single-handedly. > > Suppose this could be true, but it's not what I read ... that it > started with the 4 folks in the CSRG, but began (pretty early on) > getting contributions from all over the globe. I wouldn't want to > minimize what Bill Joy did, but saying he did it "more of less > singlehandedly" seems to be an unfair exaggeration. The CSRG came much later. There's some relatively accurate info in Wikipedia. First, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd : Other universities became interested in the software at Berkeley, and so in 1977 Bill Joy, then a graduate student at Berkeley, assembled and sent out tapes of the first Berkeley Software Distribution (1BSD). At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Systems_Research_Group : In 1980 Professor Fabry signed a contract with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency to develop UNIX even further to accommodate the specific requirements of the ARPAnet. With the funding of DARPA, Fabry created the Computer Systems Research Group. Clearly Bill Joy didn't do all the work over the years, but he started it off ("created it"). Once CSRG came along, he was only one of many. Of course, the real person to state the question is mckusick@, who described the whole thing in "Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix" (http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --MXxcbiX/Q4+iy5U7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAknv3pkACgkQIubykFB6QiPA3QCcCnHAX1q1vQ8OgsuruA1bLDR/ qg4An1FG0W0CWVNDW9vr0SmtzzFONrsw =If2q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MXxcbiX/Q4+iy5U7-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 06:40:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E43E1065674; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mckusick@mckusick.com) Received: from chez.mckusick.com (chez.mckusick.com [64.81.247.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B318FC1C; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mckusick@mckusick.com) Received: from chez.mckusick.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chez.mckusick.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3N6C4ZB090161; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@chez.mckusick.com) Message-Id: <200904230612.n3N6C4ZB090161@chez.mckusick.com> To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-reply-to: <20090423032057.GQ65705@dereel.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:12:04 -0700 From: Kirk McKusick Cc: lists@freebsdonline.com, Rick N , Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Bill Joy's contribution (was: BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:40:48 -0000 Your summary and timeline are accurate. Bill singlehanded started the BSD distributions in 1977. 1BSD had Pascal, csh, and ex. Bill wrote the first two and vastly improved an editor that he got from someone else. By 2BSD he had contributions from other graduate students at Berkeley including myself. CSRG was formed as 3BSD was coming together and included code from many folks inside and outside of Berkeley. Kirk McKusick =-=-=-= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:20:57 +1000 From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" To: Chuck Robey Cc: lists@freebsdonline.com, Rick N , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Bill Joy's contribution (was: BSD) On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 20:07:54 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +0000, Rick N wrote: >>> (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's >>> (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the >>> BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun >>> Microsytems in the late '70's. >> >> This is more than a slight understatement. Bill Joy created BSD, more >> or less single-handedly. > > Suppose this could be true, but it's not what I read ... that it > started with the 4 folks in the CSRG, but began (pretty early on) > getting contributions from all over the globe. I wouldn't want to > minimize what Bill Joy did, but saying he did it "more of less > singlehandedly" seems to be an unfair exaggeration. The CSRG came much later. There's some relatively accurate info in Wikipedia. First, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd : Other universities became interested in the software at Berkeley, and so in 1977 Bill Joy, then a graduate student at Berkeley, assembled and sent out tapes of the first Berkeley Software Distribution (1BSD). At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Systems_Research_Group : In 1980 Professor Fabry signed a contract with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency to develop UNIX even further to accommodate the specific requirements of the ARPAnet. With the funding of DARPA, Fabry created the Computer Systems Research Group. Clearly Bill Joy didn't do all the work over the years, but he started it off ("created it"). Once CSRG came along, he was only one of many. Of course, the real person to state the question is mckusick@, who described the whole thing in "Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix" (http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html). Greg From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 14:32:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F92106566C for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D135A8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3NEImWK033836; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:21:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id z5qKG9yGYNqo; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:21:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3NEKh5t036981; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:20:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <49F0793B.2050600@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:20:43 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Gatten References: <714DFCFC-9547-497D-A2C7-0BA10B39B901@mac.com><49EF82B2.2040807@gmail.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EA60@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EA60@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:32:19 -0000 Gary Gatten wrote: > I'm a function before form person, so pretty GUI's don't > really impress me much. Make it detect my hardware CORRECTLY and > install the right stuff fairly quickly and I'm happy! > >
Hee hee ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;-) -- Death is a spirit leaving a body, sort of like a shell leaving the nut behind. -- Erma Bombeck From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 15:23:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F4F1065676; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26B28FC0C; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C315D6D41B; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:23:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A3824844DE; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:23:18 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090422231453.GN65705@dereel.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:23:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20090422231453.GN65705@dereel.lemis.com> (Greg Lehey's message of "Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:14:53 +1000") Message-ID: <864owfs8bd.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:23:20 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > "Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav" writes: >> Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: >>> Jayton Garnett writes: >>>> I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do >>>> with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's >>>> development. >>> Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the >>> contrary. >> Think future, not past. > That doesn't fit Jayton's original statement. Sun is in the past in > this scenario. "buying Sun" is certainly not in the past. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 17:21:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261A610656E4 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C1F8FC1C for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:21:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m38so345327waf.27 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:21:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kEycaNwlkcAIHlJgp+NTsZAXi2yYvd5X1kmsBheWka8=; b=uHZCVbtg+tVK7ALDFmtjU35xBdecdY3Nym/Yir42bshl70g0XlY4XnFrby3c/pZK3c vvh6ODMXqTH96Tq6pPrf7CSj7MpsjlmTAYOq/v7y3mRa3MZMoTwCPbBRKFZHmfI6+IUn jv6EudctbF31Xtgz6FcQ2XL133AONY0ruKWvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=gEnFZzMADbfGxkpO0pA2xi2udu1ga5WOEV7jLqYQ+1WZpuJGkBtTa8kOZJd4BfROP6 iZg+r2ZpyDjDiLd7oGHc59l87GZ8DwNlMTzSIIpapW0WqTTcCxOrDVHJtyKLGktezCjj zjkS8rtavLKd4bJBz20Hh5yZKBwdbw+e0DYBU= Received: by 10.115.110.15 with SMTP id n15mr716983wam.144.1240505761113; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18sm687433pog.12.2009.04.23.09.55.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49F09D84.30406@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:55:32 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <714DFCFC-9547-497D-A2C7-0BA10B39B901@mac.com><49EF82B2.2040807@gmail.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EA60@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <49F0793B.2050600@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <49F0793B.2050600@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:21:40 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Gary Gatten wrote: >> I'm a function before form person, so pretty GUI's don't >> really impress me much. Make it detect my hardware CORRECTLY and >> install the right stuff fairly quickly and I'm happy! > > > >> >>
> > Hee hee ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ;-) > I say, keep it as is, its fine. it would be like replacing the nice automatic boot loader that we have now with grub. No one likes grub, its just better then lillo. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 23 19:39:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FE91065673 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from web1.unixengines.com (web1.unixengines.com [88.198.32.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE2C8FC2C for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:39:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@freebsdonline.com) Received: from unixware.iasi.rdsnet.ro ([86.124.51.145] helo=ovi.nobody.ro) by web1.unixengines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Lx4mq-000APm-Cb; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:40:44 +0300 Message-ID: <49F0C37E.2010704@freebsdonline.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:37:34 +0300 From: ovi freebsd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20081005 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= References: <200904210847.n3L8lpxL082986@lurza.secnetix.de> <20090422014929.GA70994@dereel.lemis.com> <868wlssoq6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090422231453.GN65705@dereel.lemis.com> <864owfs8bd.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <864owfs8bd.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Jayton Garnett , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle buys Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:39:19 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > >> "Dag-Erling Smørgrav" writes: >> >>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: >>> >>>> Jayton Garnett writes: >>>> >>>>> I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do >>>>> with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's >>>>> development. >>>>> >>>> Where do you get that idea from? Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the >>>> contrary. >>>> >>> Think future, not past. >>> >> That doesn't fit Jayton's original statement. Sun is in the past in >> this scenario. >> > > "buying Sun" is certainly not in the past. > > > DES > /Michael Widenius will fork MySQL/: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/23/134208