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Hello!
This is probably very very offtopic and also very stupid question.
The problem is that google mail web interface do not see 2 messages which
1st is PR submission (i.e. to freebsd-ports@) and 2nd - reply to it as
messages of one discussion thread. Anybody know how to get gmail to sort
them into one discussion?
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One day me and my roommate had some fun spamming eachother with icmp
ping packets. FreeBSD vs Arch(?)Linux.
Me, that is, my FreeBSD installation managed to spam ~50000 packets per
second towards the him, the Linux distro, with a packet loss ratio of
~0%. (If I remember correctly:) During sending, I used around 35% CPU
(that's what top showed; note: I had HT enabled), while he had neligible
(~3%) CPU usage. In the other ping direction, I was suffering from 20%
CPU usage (most of which was in top's interrupt counter) while receiving
unknown* amount of packets per second, and packet loss was >95% [I
sysctl'd the icmp reply limit to 999999999], even though he was yet
again using neligible CPU percentage.
*First he just ran "ping -i0" (per-line printing enabled) which gave
3000 packets per second, maybe because of his slow X terminal. I replied
to that well (~100%). Then he silenced the verbosity and set some
buffering(?) for the packets. That was the actual test.
So what does this mean? Does it mean that the FreeBSD kernel sucks at
working on spam efficiently, or is it netcard specific and the card
basically "steals" the CPU time? And is it possible that the Linux
distro had "internal packet loss", so it wasn't FreeBSD who was
sluggish? If so, I kindly ask for instruction on how to get the
incoming&outgoing packet count or other net stats.
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deeptech71@gmail.com wrote:
> One day me and my roommate had some fun spamming eachother with icmp
> ping packets. FreeBSD vs Arch(?)Linux.
This depends a lot on the hardware, the network, and lots
of other things.
Also, I don't think the FreeBSD kernel is optimized for
high ICMP throughput. There's no reason to do that,
because it's not really a real-world benchmark. You
should better make some more real-world benchmarks such
as transferring files. And make sure that you use
comparable hardware (including identical NICs, because
these can make a _huge_ difference).
Also make sure that you have a switched connection in full-
duplex mode. Or even better, use a direct connection with
a "crossed" cable.
You might also want to play with polling or other tuning
parameters; please have a look at the tuning(7) manual page
and the Handbook. Also make sure that you don't have any
packet filters installed (IPFW, IPF, PF).
Best regards
Oliver
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* Julian Stacey <jhs@berklix.org> [090515 09:55] wrote:
> > >> Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university
> > >
> > > In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured
> > > servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago.
> >
> > Take this somewhere else, it's getting boring. Grown-ups should know
> > what they're doing without your protection and the rest might learn
> > a bit on their own.
>
> You'r right on adults & free choice, I'll drop that rather than drift.
> What I was trying to illustrate is what jobs@ censors pass & block.
> - jobs@ is censored, so jobs@ censors performance cant be discussed on jobs@.
> - Those that pushed to censor jobs@ some years ago (& succesors?)
> are not worth having, jobs@FreeBSD would be better without them.
> - Censors of jobs@ do not have the courage to announce on footer or
> header of jobs@ that they censor jobs@freebsd.
> - Most don't know jobs@freebsd Is censored.
> Most think only announce@ is moderated , & maybe arch@.
> - Moving to chat@ is for things that drift off from FreeSBD, but
> FreeBSD censorship Is relevant to FreeBSD,
> - Where better than hackers@ to look for support to liberate
> jobs@freebsd from censors ?
Thanks Julian,
Let's talk about FreeBSD-jobs before moderation and after.
1)
First since its a low traffic list, there was a lot more spam than
content which discouraged people from signing up. Now there is
no spam.
2)
People, like you, would flame job posters in way over the top
manners which drove companies away from both the list and FreeBSD
professionals in general.
3)
Recruiters would post inappropriate jobs or jobs with too little
information (mostly lack of location), this would annoy people and
waste people's time. So now instead of having multiple hot heads
like yourself blasting them, one of us kindly bounces the email
back to them with a cordial note explaining what they need to do
to post, or if they just shouldn't be posting. If they continue
"not to get it", we typically just ignore them instead of inflaming
the situation.
I recall how it would be comical if it wasn't so sad at how badly
the reaction would be to a single post with the sin of ommitting
location or ANYTHING that some person figured they REQUIRED of the
posts on the lists. Sometimes huge flamewars would ensue just
because someone _missed_ seeing the actual location. It was just
sad.
At the time, if I was a recruiter, or someone just browsing our
lists, it would seriously discount the professionalism of ANY reply
I received based on the other flamers on the list.
The fact of the matter was that it really didn't matter how hard
the recruiter tried, there would almost certainly be _something_
in the email that someone would latch onto as a reason to childishly
flame the author.
So basically this is all addressed now. We still get occasional
flames, but we dev-null them. Although this is the first time
we've had such an... enthusiastic... individual looking to make a
spectacle of things by cross posting.
Good luck Julian,
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Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:38:48 +0200
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs
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> From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:20:51 -0700
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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> [[ moved thread to -chat ]]
I already subsequently wrote to Achim: on hackers@
> You'r right on adults & free choice, I'll drop that rather than drift.
I will stick to commitment & discuss that no further on hackers or chat.
> What I was trying to illustrate is what jobs@ censors pass & block.
That's on hackers@. chat@ is for off topic non FreeBSD related.
FreeBSD censorship is FreeBSD related. I wont read or write it on chat@
(this thus my only response to chat so people dont think it impolite
not replying)
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