From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 17:31:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573EF106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:31:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@FreeBSD.org) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (it.buh.tecnik93.com [81.196.204.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB05F8FC17 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itetcu@FreeBSD.org) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1479B2C50D09; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:15:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:15:53 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/56DgJ4JSYfQuNE=ufhuMKlm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: Manolis Kiagias , Gary Gatten , Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:31:57 -0000 --Sig_/56DgJ4JSYfQuNE=ufhuMKlm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 30 May 2009 22:09:04 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: [ .. ] > > dealing with humans) is a very unfair tactic in trying to justify > > any view. > > What you want to look for is a solution that causes the least > > problems, and respecting the list rules does that. >=20 > Where are this rules defined? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etique= tte.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ > best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT, but with clearly defined rules > on webpage it could be efficient. Let's make a test case: please compare your emails with the rules and suggestions in above two articles. We spend a few hours per day *working* on improving FreeBSD, doing also moderating is just to much. Besides, we expect people to behave intelligently and politely. Life keeps contradicting us it seems :-[ > the more clear - the more efficient. possibly some most-common > examples to make it even clearer. >=20 > > It won't fix all problems, but it does > > keep the noise level on our lists to a minimum, and maximizes the > > amount of help that can be passed on our lists. >=20 > Help at all or help about FreeBSD. if at all - then let it be about=20 > everything. >=20 > >> Another question - some of you said that "outdated" hardware is > >> welcome too as gifts for FreeBSD team. > >> > >> I actually have lots of them, and NON-typical things, that would be > >> useful. I prepared a list, and can make photos. > >> > >> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe > >> he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. Please contact donations@ > just got this after a day: >=20 > --- > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:47:08 +0400 > From: Boris Samorodov > To: Wojciech Puchar > Subject: Re: sponsoring >=20 > On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > > you said that "outdated hardware" are very welcome. >=20 > No, I had never said it. Please, stop spamming me. >=20 >=20 > --- >=20 >=20 > OK so fuck off Boris, but we were talking some time ago about dumping=20 > potential sponsors ;) Watch you language please. > anyone want to see my mail(s) it was a reply to? No. Really not. Given the way you behaved in this thread you're one step away from my killfile. Maybe you should take a few days and think if all the people disagreeing here with you are wrong. --=20 IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" FreeBSD committer -> itetcu@FreeBSD.org, PGP Key ID 057E9F8B493A297B --Sig_/56DgJ4JSYfQuNE=ufhuMKlm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoiu0kACgkQJ7GIuiH/oeX8UwCfbst98wcukbzRT8wbu0376V27 7UkAnjqyg+glxZ7jTSDyn972LaWN56IO =2Qwa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/56DgJ4JSYfQuNE=ufhuMKlm-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:44:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90788106566C; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E366E8FC08; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VIilx1025563; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VIikjn025560; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu In-Reply-To: <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Manolis Kiagias , Gary Gatten , Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:44:57 -0000 >> >> Where are this rules defined? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ first - good that's proper definition of hacker explained. --- FreeBSD-questions is a mailing list maintained by the FreeBSD project to help people who have questions about the normal use of FreeBSD. --- while i still don't agree that many of things done is "normal use of freebsd" but that's my point of view. So: - it's fine here to ask about mysql5 or mysql6 as it is normal view of FreeBSD. - it's not fine here to ask about sponsoring as it's not normal (and any) use of FreeBSD. - it's fine both to ask here about how to switch from windows, and presenting my point of view about this idea. I think we finally agree, So i will subscribe to FreeBSD-hackers, but with some fear. i don't classify myself as a FreeBSD-hacker. I understand C and can code, but everytime i like to do even smallest modification in kernel it's quite time consuming, as it's really very complex amount of code. > >> best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT, but with clearly defined rules >> on webpage it could be efficient. > > Let's make a test case: please compare your emails with the rules and > suggestions in above two articles. Already did. And until we started to argue about moderation, it's mostly compliant. Then - it was not. For mostly two reasons. First - because i was attacked when presenting my opinion, just because it was not "mainstream" (but not aggressive). Second - after it continued i wanted You to start moderation. > > We spend a few hours per day *working* on improving FreeBSD, doing also > moderating is just to much. First - thank you very much for this. I'm a happy user of YOUR WORK, and i wish you will keep this as good as now in future, as there is no other unix that i don't consider crap today. i think i could find more people if you decide to start moderation. Whatever this people personal preferences are - won't matter as they would be just executors of rules defined by YOU. Just please contact me and tell beforehand, i will start asking people privately, having timezones in mind. So you will not need any extra work. > Besides, we expect people to behave intelligently and politely. Life > keeps contradicting us it seems :-[ Agreed. >>>> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe >>>> he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. > > Please contact donations@ OK. >> OK so fuck off Boris, but we were talking some time ago about dumping >> potential sponsors ;) > > Watch you language please. Such language is used on special cases like this. So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 15:53:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3BF1065743 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396EC8FC1C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so7736698bwz.43 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=3pA0OWuju1YAK0mThV/6nFJKXVyBHCW0pX9IXf4lcbc=; b=e+D3vnyzmU88xRlf+xhyqUzmJxTYFmZ6PM14pSIFTYApgCkDYgzCNhOVYA2VMUO/qc 9mN+Zgs8tZBuzwO3dJ0dGKSP0GIw07TR3+H/L3pWzwZ3fxBd3OSbnssDwlm9Txe5T5Io YWZnRaTtrMjX4aG+24/t4PO3++aXjMxdZWulE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OGqS5vpN1YmVB8xLK50RXst55Y/wNdm5+65BHrK68IF5gfXNPYetZL2BOZe/6L954J BwrRmrnMLJcv0a/ANrP/V/NLH0dmtAhxWPoMewdtDKJPYyjJgcGiCGHrCtCmK/bwdKAd vVxx1NrL0ZCIzCso7+FVCW6Pq9BpTYQs7AyJQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.249.19 with SMTP id b19mr3310518mus.86.1243870070607; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:27:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: Stefan Miklosovic To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: shell script port X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:53:56 -0000 hi i am writing a script which is written in bash. this program is about automatic backuping of chosen users files periodicaly in more complex way. this portion of scripts are concerned also about group user's adding / modification / deleting. I do not already know how complex that program will be, but i would like to know, if i have a chance to port that software to port tree of freebsd. I know it will be hard as hell, but, is it possible? i think that writing such thing in compiled language is useless unless i am able to do so in a many times easier way. Will be a "script" port regular? thank you From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 12:00:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E804C1065710 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8FE8FC31 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8275437bwz.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:00:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5KxjriSj+kskAWUubHwoLGtSxqkXt/9pO2NKgbOumpk=; b=IBWADYf4Stu0TmqN3bYhWSYWIsdFg4usFdoLK9xQ29e+glip+Ud5kwaNX0VQBUGHrD uNddgfn6iY/YFpK3o2CmwPsAxPsFZXrGJjPRDIWzqJh3YNF53Jh5QK8l9vQnWKQ8g2ck U4rAU6rUzXRKoBVPujeyjtqfg2ohLiSIFzGs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XHxtSQ6hLRVISirTLqEclibFukSwOq3rV+qXL00U4D+VclXJyb+ApU4XR3YdcFIHZv CRg/G5IKS/Zwi36vleS/jSmnsrCXxod8eC/WO5VOVXRTDiM8W/PjGEJURiOQqtcF/Grq ew2I8J3m/ko76ohBCz6LSAZyLv3WbGUlBfOuE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.160.9 with SMTP id m9mr3912032muo.96.1243944043379; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:00:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: Stefan Miklosovic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shell script port X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:00:45 -0000 Hi Stefan, Do you mean that you would like to submit a script you've wrote to the ports? -- Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 16:19:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0368D106568D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EE78FC1E for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MBWQR-0004p0-J6; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:01:19 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n52G1IFW012598; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:01:18 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C8F6FFCA507; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:01:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:01:12 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Stefan Miklosovic Message-ID: <20090602160112.GA76243@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:01:18 +0100 (BST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shell script port X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:19:22 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:27:50PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > > hi > > i am writing a script which is written in bash. this program is about > automatic backuping of chosen users files periodicaly in more complex way. > this portion of scripts are concerned also about group user's adding / > modification / deleting. I do not already know how complex that program will > be, but i would like to know, if i have a chance to port that software to > port tree of freebsd. If your application is a bash script, then it would be fairly easy to write a FreeBSD ports Makefile for it and port it. > > I know it will be hard as hell, but, is it possible? Hard: not that hard but requires you to do some reading: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html > > i think that writing such thing in compiled language is useless unless i am > able to do so in a many times easier way. Compiled languages are generally slow to develop in compared to scripts :( > > Will be a "script" port regular? Yeah. Look at: /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl/Makefile It's a python script but inspection of the Makefile shows that it's fairly easy to port. If you don't fancy porting it yourself, I'd be happy to have a go at porting it for you. I want to port a more complex piece of software to FreeBSD but I wouldn't mind starting on a simple port first so as to familiarise myself with the porting process. > > thank you Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:16:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42021065690 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4C78FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W15 ([65.54.168.115]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.55.12.228] From: Rick N To: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:16:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2009 19:16:04.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[93148B80:01C9E3B6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:16:05 -0000 It kind of reminds me of George Carlin - "Its Bad For Ya" (on any youyube= ) =20 :) =20 > Date: Sun=2C 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 > From: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl > To: itetcu@FreeBSD.org > CC: sonicy@otenet.gr=3B Ggatten@waddell.com=3B chuckr@telenix.org=3B free= bsd-chat@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: What is this forum for? >=20 > >> > >> Where are this rules defined? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/et= iquette.html > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ >=20 > first - good that's proper definition of hacker explained. >=20 > --- > FreeBSD-questions is a mailing list maintained by the FreeBSD project to= =20 > help people who have questions about the normal use of FreeBSD. > --- >=20 > while i still don't agree that many of things done is "normal use of=20 > freebsd" but that's my point of view. >=20 > So: >=20 > - it's fine here to ask about mysql5 or mysql6 as it is normal view of=20 > FreeBSD. > - it's not fine here to ask about sponsoring as it's not normal (and any)= =20 > use of FreeBSD. > - it's fine both to ask here about how to switch from windows=2C and=20 > presenting my point of view about this idea. >=20 > I think we finally agree=2C So i will subscribe to FreeBSD-hackers=2C but= with=20 > some fear. i don't classify myself as a FreeBSD-hacker. I understand C an= d=20 > can code=2C but everytime i like to do even smallest modification in kern= el=20 > it's quite time consuming=2C as it's really very complex amount of code. >=20 > > > >> best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT=2C but with clearly defined rule= s > >> on webpage it could be efficient. > > > > Let's make a test case: please compare your emails with the rules and > > suggestions in above two articles. >=20 > Already did. And until we started to argue about moderation=2C it's=20 > mostly compliant. Then - it was not. For mostly two reasons. >=20 > First - because i was attacked when presenting my opinion=2C just because= it=20 > was not "mainstream" (but not aggressive). > Second - after it continued i wanted You to start moderation. >=20 > > > > We spend a few hours per day *working* on improving FreeBSD=2C doing al= so > > moderating is just to much. >=20 > First - thank you very much for this. I'm a happy user of YOUR WORK=2C an= d i=20 > wish you will keep this as good as now in future=2C as there is no other= =20 > unix that i don't consider crap today. >=20 > i think i could find more people if you decide to start moderation. > Whatever this people personal preferences are - won't matter as they woul= d=20 > be just executors of rules defined by YOU. >=20 > Just please contact me and tell beforehand=2C i will start asking people= =20 > privately=2C having timezones in mind. >=20 > So you will not need any extra work. >=20 > > Besides=2C we expect people to behave intelligently and politely. Life > > keeps contradicting us it seems :-[ >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > >>>> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe > >>>> he is just busy or absent=2C anyway what's the best address for this= . > > > > Please contact donations@ >=20 > OK. > >> OK so fuck off Boris=2C but we were talking some time ago about dumpin= g > >> potential sponsors =3B) > > > > Watch you language please. >=20 > Such language is used on special cases like this. So please replace this= =20 > words with other with the same meaning :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9666047= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:27:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F491065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx03.dls.net (mx03.dls.net [216.145.245.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C196D8FC19 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from [216.145.235.225] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx03.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBaZc-0008Ru-Mc; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:27:06 -0500 Message-ID: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:27:41 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:27:07 -0000 [ with an admonition from Ion-Mihai Tetcu, ] Wojciech Puchar wrote [ with some minor formatting from your author ]: [ snip ] >>> OK so [ expletive deleted; thank you, mr. president ] off Boris, >>> but we were talking some time ago about dumping potential sponsors ;) >> >> Watch you language please. > > Such language is used on special cases like this. > So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :) [ snip ] no, it isn't. no, others won't. notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", as far as i am concerned, on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by children, such language is "verboten". one of the several unimpeachable benefits of the american "motion picture production code administration", a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], was that all films were viewable by children. even before its strict enforcement began [ 1934_july_01 ], the warner brothers' "gangsters", for example, didn't need to use such language. a particularly telling instance is "the public enemy" [ 1931 ], in which james cagney, in a conversation with mae clarke, made an emphatic point, substantially similar to your point to boris, by his adept use of a grapefruit_half. he demonstrated this skill, again, in "white heat" [ 1949 ], because she was a slow_learner. an examination of the works of [ i could name, oh, so many ] edward g. robinson, paul muni, george raft and humphrey bogart will be similarly unrewarding. in fact, "bogie" and, his wife, lauren bacall elevated the "double_entendre" to an art_form [ for examples, see the "memorable quotes" section of "the big sleep" [ 1946 ] here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038355/quotes ]. we can all learn from the writings of great authors. now that america is, officially, totalitarian, permit me to reference the work of that great international communist, jules dassin. did burt lancaster use such language, after the abuse he received at the hands of hume cronyn in "brute force" [ 1947 ] ? what about ted de corsia, when he pistol_whipped don taylor in "the naked city" [ 1948 ] ? every adult knew that valentina cortese was a "massage therapist" in "thieves' highway" [ 1949 ], his testament to the corruption inherent in american entrpreneurial capitalism and small business, but, the rug_rats thought she was a "fortune_teller"; erudite, wasn't she ? let us not forget the fast_talking weasel, richard widmark, in "night and the city" [ 1950 ], who maintained his civility, right up to his final scene with that famous wordsmith, the laconic mike mazurki. finally, lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no authority. jack benny, the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, except, of course, in reference to his eyes. rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:39:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D49B1065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E1A8FC19 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52MLmr8067814; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 4DxidiWGWqAT; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52MLLnS067804; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:21:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4A25A5E1.2030704@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:21:21 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080719 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spellberg_robert References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.co! m> In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:39:40 -0000 spellberg_robert wrote: > finally, > lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, > i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no > authority. > > jack benny, > the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, > not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, > except, of course, in reference to his eyes. > > rob ROFL! LOL! COTFLGOHAHA! BBN, BBSL, CYL, Kevin Kinsey P.S. FWIW, loved the post, but thought a few uppercase letters might help in the long run. --- I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet, so I took his shoes. -- Dave Barry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:15:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F55110656C3 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93378FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2446D41C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:15:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8AEC844B9; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:15:22 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: spellberg_robert References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:15:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> (spellberg robert's message of "Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:27:41 +0100") Message-ID: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:15:24 -0000 spellberg_robert writes: > notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", > as far as i am concerned, > on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by childre= n, > such language is "verboten". This has nothing to do with children. It is simply a matter of politeness. > one of the several unimpeachable benefits of > the american "motion picture production code administration", > a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or > "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], > was that all films were viewable by children. Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians (or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:48:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318CE106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127618FC23 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zQuq1b0070mlR8UA7Ubgw1; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:35:40 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zUbe1b00p1f6R9u8XUbfXr; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:35:40 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:35:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:35:37 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.x X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:48:50 -0000 On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? I've always thought that BSD is an OS for grownups. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:12:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EED1065674 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258D08FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W24 ([65.54.168.124]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:12:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.172.69.103] From: Rick N To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:12:27 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 17:12:28.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[78C8F0A0:01C9E46E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:12:28 -0000 sorry for thr msn response but: now how did we all get this out of whack ?=20 -what!=2C we'll pontificate on what defines the age/pubescent/hair on balls= =2C ...=2C/... barrier maybe what defines children and what defines a grown= up.? Does it "really" matter? NO.=20 I havent checked=2C maybe there is a "freebsd-etiquette" forum or whatever = to discuss the further development of the "rules of text-engagement" ? But=2C being this is freebsd-chat it's mostly about things freebsd -but no= t toooooo seriously? -hence freebsd-chat. =20 If we might need a freebsd-mature-puberty-middleaged-children-oldfart-7bad= words ?=2C then that would be too bad. 'cause many others prefer the "freedom of expression" at all costs=2C too m= uch for that. =20 :) =20 =20 > Date: Wed=2C 3 Jun 2009 09:35:37 -0700 > From: corky1951@comcast.net > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? >=20 > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck"=2C or to see cowboys and indians > >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? >=20 > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? >=20 > I've always thought that BSD is an OS for grownups. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9655582= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:51:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA73106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901788FC1E for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 18511 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 17:23:19 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Jun 2009 17:23:19 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id F34015083A; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Wed\, 3 Jun 2009 09\:35\:37 -0700") Message-ID: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:51:21 -0000 Charlie Kester writes: > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >> >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:01:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349F1065686 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C6F8FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W4 ([65.54.168.104]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.172.69.103] From: Rick N To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:01:05 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:01:05.0477 (UTC) FILETIME=[43B14F50:01C9E475] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:01:06 -0000 =20 > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > From: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > Date: Wed=2C 3 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? >=20 > Charlie Kester writes: >=20 > > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >> > >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck"=2C or to see cowboys and indians > >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? >=20 > And if there are some=2C how many of them does it take to change a light = bulb? =20 ...as many as it takes to make them for slave labour. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool=2C new character for your Windows Live=99 Messenger.=20 http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9656621= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:15:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB00106567A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A8B8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W16 ([65.54.168.116]) by bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.172.69.103] From: Rick N To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:15:54 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:15:55.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[560BE0F0:01C9E477] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:15:56 -0000 geeez=2C thanks for fishing me into this one bud. =20 > From: solarux@hotmail.com > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Date: Wed=2C 3 Jun 2009 18:01:05 +0000 > Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > From: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > > Date: Wed=2C 3 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > >=20 > > Charlie Kester writes: > >=20 > > > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > >> > > >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > > >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck"=2C or to see cowboys and india= ns > > >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > > > > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > >=20 > > And if there are some=2C how many of them does it take to change a ligh= t bulb? >=20 >=20 >=20 > ...as many as it takes to make them for slave labour. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a cool=2C new character for your Windows Live=99 Messenger.=20 > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9656621________________________________= _______________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9666047= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:24:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4386C106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.wilcox@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A328FC25 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin.wilcox@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so117543qwe.7 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=V/I9V6NXCyDP3ZpvWBPrf0l2FH6pUFvxzKC1SyRjt6w=; b=XIjCjk79+tpP01Q6OEhb/1WrzjjkB0Ec0LNmOHnMk8K5PzEOyqi/QLUV58uf5Yi9Vx Z/pLhLeFcCmO0GdhZ1tmPEK3JslMCewN5LnnjodRg49C2WV+66tX5/W8t2vo/WjxSa0H fZ4l5KJ6eTQ9AhDjD91QmclMXMpE7lt4UfJQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c8hXgePaZp5NcPlEDH3Z/8M35awdrXlCd3Qu5tUyNbqyNCXIxxwAil7Xieoof6AFxj JTFjeOEHsSS6rMDMyQQnomeQePPDQlh3DTk401R5WojmRA+YDnxot68gUf42A1OW9YSd o3ncgJjtHXxVqjCAZTwJb3o/4z7WiwQQLlrBY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.11.77 with SMTP id s13mr301892ibs.53.1244051654080; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> From: Kevin Wilcox To: Lowell Gilbert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:24:16 -0000 2009/6/3 Lowell Gilbert : > Charlie Kester writes: >> On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >>>Only by US standards. =C2=A0What do you think hurts a child more: to see= a >>>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >>>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? >> How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bu= lb? Five. One to change the bulb, one to hold the ladder and three to argue whether the bulb, the ladder or changing the bulb is what's off-topic. kmw --=20 To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, =E2=80=98the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.' From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:45:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6327E106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103788FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W20 ([65.54.168.120]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:45:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.172.69.103] From: Rick N To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:45:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:45:17.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[70AAC580:01C9E47B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:45:18 -0000 Fishing with children: =20 Well=2C you got me at a disadvantage here=2C being my Dad died this mornin= g=2C (June 3rd=2C 2009@2AM)so I'll chock this one up to a pseudo-shakespear= ean tragedy - HINDSIGHT. If you don't know (or especially if you're not sure) what you're gonna do = or say exactly=2C "...then 'fer gawd sakes don't open your big fat mouth=2C= ..." on the other hand I questioned=2C (while we were fishing in Lake Ontar= io many-moons ago) I asked=2C if you don't say/ask anything how will "they"= know what should be done (according to myself=2C of course) ? -'ya know=2C typical children's response (why is the sky blue ?=2C ... bla= h=2C blah=2C blah). =20 Of course=2C a typical (mine anyway) Dad's response was "shutup" and pass = me that fuckin' pike lure so we can get some fishin' done today. ! :) =20 yup=2C its all good. -so keep it up guys=2C gals=2C children=2C .... =20 I owe him atleast that much thanks. =20 =20 Rick. =20 > Date: Wed=2C 3 Jun 2009 13:54:14 -0400 > From: kevin.wilcox@gmail.com > To: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? >=20 > 2009/6/3 Lowell Gilbert : >=20 > > Charlie Kester writes: >=20 > >> On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >=20 > >>>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >>>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck"=2C or to see cowboys and indian= s > >>>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? >=20 > >> How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? >=20 > > And if there are some=2C how many of them does it take to change a ligh= t bulb? >=20 > Five. One to change the bulb=2C one to hold the ladder and three to > argue whether the bulb=2C the ladder or changing the bulb is what's > off-topic. >=20 > kmw >=20 > --=20 > To take from one=2C because it is thought that his own industry and that > of his fathers has acquired too much=2C in order to spare to others=2C > who=2C or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill=2C is > to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association=2C =91the > guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry=2C & the > fruits acquired by it.' > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9666046= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:49:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69532106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AEC8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACuFJkqC1Apk/2dsb2JhbADANAEJBYdXiFGCVYE2BYYy Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2009 14:21:32 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4) with ESMTP id 2009060314213076-822 ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:21:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: spellberg_robert In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 06/03/2009 14:21:30, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 06/03/2009 14:21:32, Serialize complete at 06/03/2009 14:21:32 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:49:29 -0000 Words don't kill children. People with small minded attitudes about oppression like this kill children. On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, spellberg_robert wrote: > [ with an admonition from Ion-Mihai Tetcu, ] > Wojciech Puchar wrote > [ with some minor formatting from your author ]: > > [ snip ] > >>>> OK so [ expletive deleted; thank you, mr. president ] off Boris, >>>> but we were talking some time ago about dumping potential sponsors ;) >>> >>> Watch you language please. >> >> Such language is used on special cases like this. >> So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :) > > [ snip ] > > > > no, it isn't. > > no, others won't. > > > > notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", > as far as i am concerned, > on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by children, > such language is "verboten". > > > > one of the several unimpeachable benefits of > the american "motion picture production code administration", > a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or > "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], > was that all films were viewable by children. > > even before its strict enforcement began [ 1934_july_01 ], > the warner brothers' "gangsters", for example, > didn't need to use such language. > a particularly telling instance is "the public enemy" [ 1931 ], > in which james cagney, in a conversation with mae clarke, > made an emphatic point, substantially similar to your point to boris, > by his adept use of a grapefruit_half. > he demonstrated this skill, again, in "white heat" [ 1949 ], > because she was a slow_learner. > an examination of the works of [ i could name, oh, so many ] > edward g. robinson, paul muni, george raft and humphrey bogart > will be similarly unrewarding. > > in fact, "bogie" and, his wife, lauren bacall > elevated the "double_entendre" to an art_form > [ for examples, > see the "memorable quotes" section of "the big sleep" [ 1946 ] here: > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038355/quotes > > ]. > > we can all learn from the writings of great authors. > > > > now that america is, officially, totalitarian, > permit me to reference the work of > that great international communist, jules dassin. > > did burt lancaster use such language, > after the abuse he received > at the hands of hume cronyn in "brute force" [ 1947 ] ? > what about ted de corsia, > when he pistol_whipped don taylor in "the naked city" [ 1948 ] ? > every adult knew that > valentina cortese was a "massage therapist" in "thieves' highway" [ 1949 ], > his testament to the corruption > inherent in american entrpreneurial capitalism and small business, > but, the rug_rats thought she was a "fortune_teller"; > erudite, wasn't she ? > let us not forget the fast_talking weasel, richard widmark, > in "night and the city" [ 1950 ], who maintained his civility, > right up to his final scene with that famous wordsmith, > the laconic mike mazurki. > > > > finally, > lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, > i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no authority. > > jack benny, > the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, > not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, > except, of course, in reference to his eyes. > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 23:46:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D651065675 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200C8FC1A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02604; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200906032346.RAA02604@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:49 -0600 To: Dag-Erling Smørgrav , spellberg_robert From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:46:13 -0000 At 04:15 AM 6/3/2009, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? Some folks on the FreeBSD lists seem to find it far more inflammatory to talk about how to build a bike shed. ;-) --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 04:52:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75338106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx03.dls.net (mx03.dls.net [216.145.245.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378328FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from [216.145.235.144] (helo=emailrob.com) by mx03.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MC4wf-0001PG-RR; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4A274516.6090609@emailrob.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:52:54 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <200906032346.RAA02604@lariat.ne t> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:52:58 -0000 wowie_zowie, suzy cream_cheese; what's got into you ? golly, gee whillikers, kids, a fella can start a flame_war without even trying; i feel so ... validated. mr. kinsey - you are welcome. mr. smorgrav - you are right about one thing; there --is-- a civility aspect to this. my question to you is: did you intend to agree with me that the "production code" was a good thing ? mr. kester - you pose a thoughtful request for clarification; see below. mr. wilcox - i liked your quote; please tell me, who said it ? mr. n. - please accept my sincerest condolences on the passing of your father. i lost mine in 1994. he worked 6-1/2 days/week, so family_time was precious. one sunday [ i believe it was in july, 1968 ], i persuaded him to take me on a steam_locomotive excursion. about a year earlier, i had discovered serious railroading. i could tell that he wasn't as enthused as i was, but, gamely, he put up a brave front. while driving home, after we returned, he confessed that he had anticipated that he would not enjoy the experience, but, that, to his surprise, he had had quite_a_bit of fun. he had not realized that the kinds of people who do this sort of thing are many and varied. to paraphraze a familiar motorcycle_advertising_jingle of the day, "you meet the nicest people in a gondola". i had caused him to forget about his work_related cares for an afternoon. mr. riese - i must confess that i am not completely certain that you are not joking. assuming you to be serious, please identify: a] the identity of the person who, first, proposed the death of children; b] the nature of the "oppression"; c] the number and kind of the "attitudes" and their location[s] in the post. people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. my point, for the benefit of those few who did not understand, was that one need not swear to make one's point. this is true without regard to the amount of emphasis desired and without regard to the thermal character of the discussion. i gave several examples, from film, of situations among adults where swearing would not be untoward, as well as one, from radio, illustrating that one can be phenomenally popular without sprinkling words about. even before the strict enforcement of the code, swearing was not done. griffith and demille [ to name two ] had plenty of breasts, but, there wasn't any swearing. barbara stanwyck "advanced her career" in "baby face" [ 1933 ] [ look for john wayne in the mail_room ], but, she did not swear. i recently got a dvd of "high noon" [ 1952 ], so, after viewing this, i viewed "blazing saddles" [ 1974 ], as i was thinking that the two would make a nice double_feature for some friends at a party that i was planning. what surprized me was the degree to which the language actually --detracted-- from what is an, otherwise, funny film [ i do not refer to the ethnic epithets, for these were possible even during the hey_dey of the code; as an example, see "no way out" [ 1950 ], a serious film about racism between richard widmark and sidney poitier ]. the shock_value was gone; the film was dated. as to the definition of "child" and whether any read these posts, i refer the interested reader to "the design and implementation of the freebsd operating system", mckusick and neville_neil, addison_wesley, 2005 [ referencing v5.2 ]. from page 17: "the typical new committer to the freebsd project is in their mid_ to late 20s and has been programming linux or other open_source projects for a decade." because we number our birth_days from zero, one can define the mid_twenties to commence at age 23-1/3, perhaps, the twenty_third anniversary itself. therefore, a thirteen_year_old would fit the above description. i argue that it is not_at_all_unreasonable to expect that there are --young-- teen_agers perusing these lists because they have discovered computation to be an outlet for their creative energy. q: do we wish to present an image of academic professionalism or are some of us no better than sailors in a brothel ? for you freedom_of_expression_at_any_cost types, i remind you that there --is-- a difference between "liberty" and "libertine". finally, to mr. glass - is that an incandescent bike_shed or a compact_flourescent bike_shed ? we want to include the correct materials_handling_notice with the assembly_instructions in the kit. rob