From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 12 17:03:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89897106568B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from c-0500.emailmediator.com (c-0500.emailmediator.com [64.85.162.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E258FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pool-71-252-138-179.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.252.138.179] helo=reedmedia.net) by c-0500.emailmediator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxOIe-00002b-ED for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:08 -0400 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 11669-1255366989; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:03:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:03:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" X-X-Sender: reed@t1.m.reedmedia.net To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (NEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: documenting code X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:03:08 -0000 What do you use (tools or techniques) for documenting code for design decisions, code examples, history of API/ABI changes, graphical supplements (like design diagrams), etc? I'd like to generate both webpages that have full details plus manpages that have the synopsis, descriptions, return values, etc, but not all the design decisions nor images (of course) nor code examples which may be too long for a succinct manual page. I don't want to document in multiple places -- don't want to be redundant. I'd like to keep this documentation very near the code (even embedded) so when code is updated, it is easy to remember or do the documentation also. The code is mostly a mix of Python and C++. Do you use pydoc and/or doxygen? I see doxygen can insert images into the documentation, so could be used to insert design diagrams. And doxygen has conditional \if and \ifnot for conditionally showing or not showing documentation (which could be used for manpages versus complete HTML). I don't see image or manual page support for pydoc. If you have any examples (original documentation and rendered results in HTML and man), please let me know. Also if you have any developer guidelines that include documentation guidelines, please let me know. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 15 20:05:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E32A106566B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:05:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BC58FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9FJZfFR079033 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9FJZeco079030 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Subject: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:05:02 -0000 Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 Warren Block Q. Sendmail doesn't... A. Fix DNS. Q. Why don't my cron jobs... A. Use full paths. Q. tcsh doesn't... A. rehash Q. glxgears... A. Is not a benchmark. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 07:29:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188AA1065672 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1AD8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2028230fxm.43 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:28:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xDA6QsJGNSuVA0T59v6YOUzfd4YzAGSmu05rYOozRLg=; b=CMtCKMP6ZZrjYG3/gE4yre+fJFeu5UDr12sV8q+bYnbVjNFiyucCx3bulDXAC/8Vvz WlfKeTD7agXjWydwmTSWS0Y+6Axlo4vionNJat4YgGzgvUTITCFlU3JFvDkPeAOkhBw4 uOI2uzl7lWzykTYuBgT2MFRgCRCtv+9rZf2rw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XANDa8uC5PiHzWGZ90JjVJ2ZKWDQdFYQhhhcgASCaLjNH0RYZrPXrmzXmZjdn9ZZxr 69MftCZTl5QUPevUB/Uc39c60O6E5psAbgBD/zue4O0NJY6rbi+OShWHApvH/yRBbhx1 hL3+JYkCCcwcjPHYLLCvTCS8hYmRBVkJPxJNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.9 with SMTP id j9mr928730bkd.10.1255676756259; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:05:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:05:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:29:00 -0000 Q. I'm confused... A. Keep taking those pills. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 08:44:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B53D1065695 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF2D8FC48 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so1716131gxk.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:44:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=JTNDushUAVsTkbV3wjkrLAnPUiMSmEg78XzmqXuXZAA=; b=hmepCZXNBcLN/qVE7BR0X8qUKvhR/4WFSrLyAWrozmbltAy9bfsj6sGjalbx+SNHX5 Andr+U/jAuM+a+mCm2BuUdinUAofME3iGZ1W6PAhs7UoLvjHou3QR6rpCGOyU9U41XPf urwVQyxOfEZd6ng85WHz3m/+1oHHYNeIR58Ts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=JTcG/KTlDvuEIbv4bNvL+RXkpxn1aoDyaaBbnK2ZCOlM3CBkpooj3kN5WBFALQ1+yL xt42CopFVS/U555juVN7Jb+X9Nkj1TTLWdNuoloH4tMcdnfM6gDUNb3L/Mq7kl4Hhkws BWYO8/niepgpAmGHLUQLyjxurivSxeHNkiZiM= Received: by 10.150.127.3 with SMTP id z3mr2127422ybc.301.1255681011217; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dimension.5p.local (adsl-99-19-46-209.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [99.19.46.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm581129gxk.11.2009.10.16.01.16.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:16:41 -0400 From: jhell To: Jayton Garnett In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:44:18 -0000 On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:05, jayton.garnett@ wrote: > Q. I'm confused... > A. Keep taking those pills. > HaAhahaHa.... Silence .... ha... "Your good!" -- ;; dataix.net!jhell 2048R/89D8547E 2009-09-30 ;; BSD since FreeBSD 4.2 Linux since Slackware 2.1 ;; 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 10:29:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1CA106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:29:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFA08FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so887939pxi.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G8fJlbRK6z7OSocrgnU6nWK9cnJ5JZSpPmMb48HrWnY=; b=iClv9RTgUsM/fVJGcvTAnwYotRTDIldPCB4qAxlgojL64yeIen2q0wBW2ke+452+uP 4zN8spnELrsbaAaWXuZk0Ncs6T7TlV1HldLGPIN+YVzt8/UJb46PxSzwKhjZvR/Xo2Xp raNpZ7ofYigyGDP5XCfULl7JP4pGin0/NgTgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DHE1I/HNwE5airwpwNXJ41JjTXzpvr5B/U+ADZt/VaF3gEsggiUfawN/IvAPAloAVc p7rXApZPkeYc3shaz3K5a2QmaxHdCc6s8WeFUh1bIAIckZcdjsRV7/tDTTD7yBGrHLrn PZEOuUmVpNQOQw6554qrw//jYHS1zf1C62Sd4= Received: by 10.115.101.30 with SMTP id d30mr1402441wam.175.1255687560925; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-98-203-159-70.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.203.159.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm761989pzk.8.2009.10.16.03.05.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:08:49 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:29:18 -0000 Q. Whereis doesn't... A. portsnap fetch extract Q. Flash doesn't... A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. Warren Block wrote: > Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 > Warren Block > > Q. Sendmail doesn't... > A. Fix DNS. > > Q. Why don't my cron jobs... > A. Use full paths. > > Q. tcsh doesn't... > A. rehash > > Q. glxgears... > A. Is not a benchmark. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 11:23:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC91065670 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker-dated-1256382495.77d905@rwxrwxrwx.net) Received: from mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (mail.rwxrwxrwx.net [83.161.253.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2180B8FC19 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1BA4E216D0A; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:14 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Martin Tournoij Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:22 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: > Q. Whereis doesn't... > A. portsnap fetch extract > > Q. Flash doesn't... > A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. > > > Warren Block wrote: > > Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 > > Warren Block > > > > Q. Sendmail doesn't... > > A. Fix DNS. > > > > Q. Why don't my cron jobs... > > A. Use full paths. > > > > Q. tcsh doesn't... > > A. rehash > > > > Q. glxgears... > > A. Is not a benchmark. > > > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA A: Top-posting. Q: What is more annoying than ... -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net | (+031) 621 991 576 http://www.carpetsmoker.net | http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: It's easier to take it apart than to put it back together. -- Washlesky From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 11:23:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3361065676 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker-dated-1256382495.77d905@rwxrwxrwx.net) Received: from mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (mail.rwxrwxrwx.net [83.161.253.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5848FC1A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 11B09216D08; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rwxrwxrwx.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:15 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:08:14 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Martin Tournoij Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:23:22 -0000 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: > Q. Whereis doesn't... > A. portsnap fetch extract > > Q. Flash doesn't... > A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. > > > Warren Block wrote: > > Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 > > Warren Block > > > > Q. Sendmail doesn't... > > A. Fix DNS. > > > > Q. Why don't my cron jobs... > > A. Use full paths. > > > > Q. tcsh doesn't... > > A. rehash > > > > Q. glxgears... > > A. Is not a benchmark. > > > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA A: Top-posting. Q: What is more annoying than ... -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net | (+031) 621 991 576 http://www.carpetsmoker.net | http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: It's easier to take it apart than to put it back together. -- Washlesky From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 19:54:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323AD106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0147A8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1909869pzk.7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y/2mQMLpxUrocd7YH949KvfJhK52KETynbTWbFDWhlc=; b=Xynd/jUZfwAN3d6VaZ2DKByNy5XA23uRzplrC7vwL8rFomgOEiA+wFCUO5Sq28BCUJ yEwRSP57lu0IYFV6sDd4ILwxzsk3SuNp8ZBcQk8YVNNebrTP/75xz+uN/T9/nTC2ES/y X9RWUItH7ZFwfXDW0Fpw99oD01ihjBTuCjECM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NePy4c0Hfd6dru9tQ0I5trCUNeMB0h8D3N+q0ylEFuzlfQqYUGyGxnjSVDzTPdPHYY F+E6Y3Pa5RciYGyACwUjntbCE1AhZZ9wICcHPLvYFklNBVBUezNG0U/xPI18FapAeuOb zqHWtuCb54mmOJdcuHES4choKQp2WyBlEJUFk= Received: by 10.140.161.18 with SMTP id j18mr119348rve.71.1255722843470; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-98-203-159-70.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.203.159.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm939979pzk.3.2009.10.16.12.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:56:52 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> In-Reply-To: <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:54:04 -0000 top posting is fine... Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? A. NO ONE Martin Tournoij wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: > >> Q. Whereis doesn't... >> A. portsnap fetch extract >> >> Q. Flash doesn't... >> A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. >> >> >> Warren Block wrote: >> >>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 >>> Warren Block >>> >>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... >>> A. Fix DNS. >>> >>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... >>> A. Use full paths. >>> >>> Q. tcsh doesn't... >>> A. rehash >>> >>> Q. glxgears... >>> A. Is not a benchmark. >>> >>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA >>> > > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is more annoying than ... > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 20:21:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC817106568F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF7D8FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so1224114pxi.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y/2mQMLpxUrocd7YH949KvfJhK52KETynbTWbFDWhlc=; b=Xynd/jUZfwAN3d6VaZ2DKByNy5XA23uRzplrC7vwL8rFomgOEiA+wFCUO5Sq28BCUJ yEwRSP57lu0IYFV6sDd4ILwxzsk3SuNp8ZBcQk8YVNNebrTP/75xz+uN/T9/nTC2ES/y X9RWUItH7ZFwfXDW0Fpw99oD01ihjBTuCjECM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NePy4c0Hfd6dru9tQ0I5trCUNeMB0h8D3N+q0ylEFuzlfQqYUGyGxnjSVDzTPdPHYY F+E6Y3Pa5RciYGyACwUjntbCE1AhZZ9wICcHPLvYFklNBVBUezNG0U/xPI18FapAeuOb zqHWtuCb54mmOJdcuHES4choKQp2WyBlEJUFk= Received: by 10.140.161.18 with SMTP id j18mr119348rve.71.1255722843470; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-98-203-159-70.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.203.159.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm939979pzk.3.2009.10.16.12.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:56:52 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> In-Reply-To: <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:21:36 -0000 top posting is fine... Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? A. NO ONE Martin Tournoij wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: > >> Q. Whereis doesn't... >> A. portsnap fetch extract >> >> Q. Flash doesn't... >> A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. >> >> >> Warren Block wrote: >> >>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 >>> Warren Block >>> >>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... >>> A. Fix DNS. >>> >>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... >>> A. Use full paths. >>> >>> Q. tcsh doesn't... >>> A. rehash >>> >>> Q. glxgears... >>> A. Is not a benchmark. >>> >>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA >>> > > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is more annoying than ... > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 20:29:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21431065676 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1A38FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([10.0.0.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HLTndX088725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:29:50 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4AD8D7B0.3040803@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:36 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:29:38 -0000 Q. what colour should we paint.. A. Green A. Purple A. Orange A. Pink A. White etc etc ;) james michael wrote: > top posting is fine... > > Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? > A. NO ONE > > Martin Tournoij wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: >> >>> Q. Whereis doesn't... >>> A. portsnap fetch extract >>> >>> Q. Flash doesn't... >>> A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. >>> >>> >>> Warren Block wrote: >>> >>>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 >>>> Warren Block >>>> >>>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... >>>> A. Fix DNS. >>>> >>>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... >>>> A. Use full paths. >>>> >>>> Q. tcsh doesn't... >>>> A. rehash >>>> >>>> Q. glxgears... >>>> A. Is not a benchmark. >>>> >>>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA >>>> >> >> A: Top-posting. >> Q: What is more annoying than ... >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 20:38:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE89106566C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jgrosch@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62ED8FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dyn1-217.es.net (dyn1-217.es.net [198.128.1.217]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9GKcQ9c010395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:38:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4AD8D9C2.4040700@es.net> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:38:26 -0700 From: Josef Grosch User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Hoffman References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> <4AD8D7B0.3040803@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4AD8D7B0.3040803@unsane.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=1.12.8161:2.4.5, 1.2.40, 4.0.166 definitions=2009-10-16_14:2009-09-29, 2009-10-16, 2009-10-16 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-0910160144 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:38:28 -0000 How do you build a bike shed ? Vincent Hoffman wrote: > Q. what colour should we paint.. > A. Green > A. Purple > A. Orange > A. Pink > A. White > etc etc > > ;) > > james michael wrote: >> top posting is fine... >> >> Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? >> A. NO ONE >> >> Martin Tournoij wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: >>> >>>> Q. Whereis doesn't... >>>> A. portsnap fetch extract >>>> >>>> Q. Flash doesn't... >>>> A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. >>>> >>>> >>>> Warren Block wrote: >>>> >>>>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 >>>>> Warren Block >>>>> >>>>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... >>>>> A. Fix DNS. >>>>> >>>>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... >>>>> A. Use full paths. >>>>> >>>>> Q. tcsh doesn't... >>>>> A. rehash >>>>> >>>>> Q. glxgears... >>>>> A. Is not a benchmark. >>>>> >>>>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA >>>>> >>> A: Top-posting. >>> Q: What is more annoying than ... >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Josef Grosch Email : jgrosch@es.net Computer Systems Engineer Office : 510-486-6597 Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Cell : 510-207-9976 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 16 20:44:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A2B1065676 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D9E8FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([10.0.0.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9HLi9O6089136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:44:09 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4AD8DB0C.2000906@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:43:56 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Grosch References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> <4AD8D7B0.3040803@unsane.co.uk> <4AD8D9C2.4040700@es.net> In-Reply-To: <4AD8D9C2.4040700@es.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:44:02 -0000 Josef Grosch wrote: > How do you build a bike shed ? > > Or what colour do you paint one :) (build was original but colour more freebsd related) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality > > Vincent Hoffman wrote: >> Q. what colour should we paint.. >> A. Green >> A. Purple >> A. Orange >> A. Pink >> A. White >> etc etc >> >> ;) >> >> james michael wrote: >>> top posting is fine... >>> >>> Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? >>> A. NO ONE >>> >>> Martin Tournoij wrote: >>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700, james michael wrote: >>>> >>>>> Q. Whereis doesn't... >>>>> A. portsnap fetch extract >>>>> >>>>> Q. Flash doesn't... >>>>> A. exactly, it doesn't and it won't. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Warren Block wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0, 2009-01-31 >>>>>> Warren Block >>>>>> >>>>>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... >>>>>> A. Fix DNS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... >>>>>> A. Use full paths. >>>>>> >>>>>> Q. tcsh doesn't... >>>>>> A. rehash >>>>>> >>>>>> Q. glxgears... >>>>>> A. Is not a benchmark. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA >>>>>> >>>> A: Top-posting. >>>> Q: What is more annoying than ... >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 04:55:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19C61065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAEF8FC1E for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tgsl1c00316AWCUA7gv2nu; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:55:02 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tgv01c0080Yq9Sc8Sgv18J; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:55:02 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:53:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:55:01 -0000 Hey all, I know this SHOULD go to FreeBSD-Questions, but I'm trying to fix up a machine right now, so I don't have normal access to my mail account, and this is the only one I can send to without spending a half hour redoing something, so please allow this once to ask here: On my test machine, I noticed the usual mail to root letting me know that there were some security problems in a few things I have installed, like Opera and Thunderbird, and so I first did a freebsd-update to get the base system updated to make sure that was done, and I also did portupdate on those packages like this: portupdate -v opera I did it on pidgin and realized it couldn't sign in anymore and thought "Oh man, one of those I'm tired errors" I forgot to update the other parts, so rather than make a huge list of stuff to update, I did this: portupdate or portupgrade -a to get them all. After I did this, I noticed that pkg_add -r no longer lets me add things. It says that it has no access or can't be found. Just to be sure I did pkg_add -r kde and got the same message (I already have KDE, I did it to see if it was just me spelling it wrong) I know I missed something... I just can't for the life of me find out what... I know I'm doing something wrong though. So anyway, after running it with -a, what should I have done? Why would a few things stop working ? Did I do something terribly stupid? The network connection is fine, I checked that, it's just that I can't use pkg_add -r anymore. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 05:39:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E867106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F1C8FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACD4322FB1 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:17:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so392478pwj.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:17:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr698130rve.133.1255756641731; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:17:21 +1100 Message-ID: <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Theodore To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:39:30 -0000 > > So anyway, after running it with -a, what should I have done? Why would a few > things stop working ? Did I do something terribly stupid? The network > connection is fine, I checked that, it's just that I can't use pkg_add -r > anymore. I think portupgrade -a will have updated all packages to the latest versions, and pkg_add -r won't be able to find a newer one to install. Try adding a package that you don't already have installed and see what happens. Tony From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 05:57:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1159F1065672 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexsm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com (mail-qy0-f192.google.com [209.85.221.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84168FC18 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so2070567qyk.7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:in-reply-to:x-mailer :subject:references:message-id:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:cc; bh=jHeia/RZUo9omZCYdH6wTS+gv9ANp3cLvSr0bQ9iXgQ=; b=dwuGg5c7k8coXBtJ/l6Tx7U+gImkSgB9rnoLwBCGMDfw2fAolvBh8angr6y86tf+aV O6/B6CcVdeDgGc6hU93/VvLy8OkPX/fXWm/z+mVfTOamvL0PVVZB+399OkTN+uzGK3PR XSMvBsBoLc9NkRVC/IVJqSrK+PAiTcygNd+GM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:in-reply-to:x-mailer:subject:references:message-id :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:cc; b=TpzMRRez4YL5eodO/ZGmCY1OruejNS9TD372WN+BONNMm+IcTLo48KUB3+u4RMKr4r 2rEu1JpIv91J0l6KAjrE/fXRg0lJCccnrvpZkQtjEPGdNa0C1pW9W/XpMeUYJihrc25F xWJTSn+fwtgbEe+u927CKjh5JR6pluQWPm68Q= Received: by 10.224.44.157 with SMTP id a29mr1540143qaf.1.1255759046190; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([201.53.186.42]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1548860qyk.5.2009.10.16.22.57.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Moura To: Tony Theodore In-Reply-To: <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11) References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:57:44 -0300 Cc: Allen , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:57:27 -0000 What does portversion -l \< or pkg_version -l \< says? Alex On 17/10/2009, at 02:17, Tony Theodore wrote: >> >> So anyway, after running it with -a, what should I have done? Why >> would a few >> things stop working ? Did I do something terribly stupid? The network >> connection is fine, I checked that, it's just that I can't use >> pkg_add -r >> anymore. > > I think portupgrade -a will have updated all packages to the latest > versions, and pkg_add -r won't be able to find a newer one to install. > Try adding a package that you don't already have installed and see > what happens. > > Tony > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 06:09:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6786106566C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDCD8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ti6h1c0041afHeLABi9JEX; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:09:18 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ti9u1c0040Yq9Sc8di9v3u; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:09:56 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:08:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:09:55 -0000 On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:17:21 am Tony Theodore wrote: > I think portupgrade -a will have updated all packages to the latest > versions, and pkg_add -r won't be able to find a newer one to install. > Try adding a package that you don't already have installed and see > what happens. Hey, thanks for answering ! OK, here is what happens if I try something like asclock which wasn't installed: pkg_add -r asclock Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/Latest/asclock.tbz File unavailable (e.g., File not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/Latest/asclock.tbz' by URL So basically, if I try to use pkg_add -r now, it won't work. It didn't happen until I did the upgrading or updating, so I'm thinking I made a screw up. Thansk again for the quick response :) > Tony -Allen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 06:23:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B85106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755188FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tiLG1c0010FhH24A5iPp8w; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:23:49 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tiPn1c0040Yq9Sc8UiPor7; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:23:48 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:22:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910170222.38966.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Quickie Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:23:48 -0000 >It seems your ports tree can be broken somehow. Maybe after a >portsnap fetch extract update >you can try again and see what happens? Actually that was my first thought so I'm glad I seem to be starting in the right spot. When I realized it wasn't working, I did this: portsnap fetch extract update And it ran for me, and still does this. I'm going to try this next: pkgdb -F Just to see if anything happened, and because it's probably a good idea heh ;) Thanks much for letting me ask this here while my other mail is still waiting on fixes! -Allen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 06:52:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E714106566B for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C80F8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A21C39034D for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:52:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so1474577pxi.3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:52:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.157.21 with SMTP id f21mr820834rve.48.1255762376350; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:52:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162217m17b423aam135d4e3abc755236@mail.gmail.com> <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:52:56 +1100 Message-ID: <22166b750910162352r58d0eeb3t7916dc2064fb493c@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Theodore To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:52:59 -0000 2009/10/17 Allen : > On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:17:21 am Tony Theodore wrote: > >> I think portupgrade -a will have updated all packages to the latest >> versions, and pkg_add -r won't be able to find a newer one to install. >> Try adding a package that you don't already have installed and see >> what happens. > > Hey, thanks for answering ! > > OK, here is what happens if I try something like asclock which wasn't > installed: > > pkg_add -r asclock > Error: FTP Unable to get > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/Latest/asclock.tbz > File unavailable (e.g., File not found, no access) > pkg_add: unable to > fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/freebsd/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/Latest/asclock.tbz' > by URL > > So basically, if I try to use pkg_add -r now, it won't work. It didn't happen > until I did the upgrading or updating, so I'm thinking I made a screw up. OK, so if you have a look at the contents of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/, it seems 7.1 packages are no longer being built. Not sure there's much you can do apart from using ports or upgrading. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 07:58:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F5F1065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8078FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tjx31c00117UAYkADjym6r; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:46 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tjyk1c0030Yq9Sc8ZjylLL; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:45 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:57:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162352r58d0eeb3t7916dc2064fb493c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <22166b750910162352r58d0eeb3t7916dc2064fb493c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:58:45 -0000 On Saturday 17 October 2009 02:52:56 am Tony Theodore wrote: *Snipped for politeness* > OK, so if you have a look at the contents of > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/, it seems 7.1 packages > are no longer being built. Not sure there's much you can do apart from > using ports or upgrading. Hey, Thanks for letting me know about that. I didn't know. I heard the other day on here that 7.1 had a longer life cycle than 7.2 so I hadn't upgraded as I planned on waiting for 8.0, but I guess it's time to just go ahead and upgrade. I'm still getting used to FreeBSD's update VS upgrade style, because even though I've had FreeBSD since 4.0, I would usually set up a machine running it and then use it for fun projects to toy with, but didn't ever set up servers on it because I was confused for a long time on how you did security patching. This was mostly because I came from a very Linux oriented background in computing (I've only had a computer for... Well since 1999, so I'm by no means a guru at anything) but on Linux and Windows, you just install patches and that's it, and on Linux for example; You just download a patch as a security fix, install or update the thing, and you're done. Slackware is what I run on my main FTP server, and there, I use Swaret now, but before I'd just use wget to grab a new tgz package, and use upgradepkg to get the machine patched, so when I got to FreeBSD patches, I was very confused because I couldn't figure out why freebsd-update didn't patch opera lol. Yea I know, stupidity lol. Then I realized that freebsd-update did EXACTLY what it was supposed to do, updating the base system, and that all those things were ports, and I needed to update THOSE to fix those security holes. So now I was like OK, I'll update the base with freebsd-update, and then when I go and get new ports, I can use portsnap and portupdate / upgrade... And I was like wow, I can just cd into the ports directory and build them, neat! So it's been a learning experience, but at the same time, I took so much longer than I should have, I felt pretty stupid when I realized what I was doing wrong. Is there a configuration file somewhere that pkg_add checks? I mean I know there has to be one somewhere... Couldn't I change the server listed to use one on freebsd.org/ports ? That way I could still install packages with it? Anyway, thanks very much for all the help everyone! I'm going to probably upgrade, just got a lot of back ups to get done because I was using it as a secondary FTP server too heh. -Allen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 15:23:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B761065679 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8278FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY113-W36 ([65.54.168.136]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:23:27 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.171.132.116] From: Rick N To: Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:23:27 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4AD8DB0C.2000906@unsane.co.uk> References: <4AD84631.3090603@gmail.com> <20091016110814.GA26204@rwxrwxrwx.net> <4AD8D004.30901@gmail.com> <4AD8D7B0.3040803@unsane.co.uk> <4AD8D9C2.4040700@es.net> <4AD8DB0C.2000906@unsane.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2009 15:23:27.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6720140:01CA4F3D] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: The Interrupted FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:23:28 -0000 Q. Regular Expressions ... ? A. :) :( =3B) ... =20 > Date: Fri=2C 16 Oct 2009 21:43:56 +0100 > From: vince@unsane.co.uk > To: jgrosch@es.net > CC: chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: The Interrupted FAQ >=20 > Josef Grosch wrote: > > How do you build a bike shed ? > > > > > Or what colour do you paint one :) (build was original but colour more > freebsd related) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality >=20 > > > > Vincent Hoffman wrote: > >> Q. what colour should we paint.. > >> A. Green > >> A. Purple > >> A. Orange > >> A. Pink > >> A. White > >> etc etc > >> > >> =3B) > >> > >> james michael wrote: > >>> top posting is fine... > >>> > >>> Q. Who sets the standard for email lists? > >>> A. NO ONE > >>> > >>> Martin Tournoij wrote: > >>>> On Fri=2C Oct 16=2C 2009 at 03:08:49AM -0700=2C james michael wrote: > >>>>=20 > >>>>> Q. Whereis doesn't... > >>>>> A. portsnap fetch extract > >>>>> > >>>>> Q. Flash doesn't... > >>>>> A. exactly=2C it doesn't and it won't. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Warren Block wrote: > >>>>>=20 > >>>>>> Interrupted Unix FAQ 1.0=2C 2009-01-31 > >>>>>> Warren Block > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Q. Sendmail doesn't... > >>>>>> A. Fix DNS. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Q. Why don't my cron jobs... > >>>>>> A. Use full paths. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Q. tcsh doesn't... > >>>>>> A. rehash > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Q. glxgears... > >>>>>> A. Is not a benchmark. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Warren Block * Rapid City=2C South Dakota USA > >>>>>>=20 > >>>> A: Top-posting. > >>>> Q: What is more annoying than ... > >>>> > >>>>=20 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > >>> To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > >> To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =20 _________________________________________________________________ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9677403= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 15:33:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6027A10656A9 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BD48FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB306D41B; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:33:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AA5F584528; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:33:51 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Allen References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162352r58d0eeb3t7916dc2064fb493c@mail.gmail.com> <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:33:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> (Allen's message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:57:35 -0400") Message-ID: <86tyxy3uhs.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:33:53 -0000 Allen writes: > Thanks for letting me know about that. I didn't know. I heard the other d= ay on=20 > here that 7.1 had a longer life cycle than 7.2 so I hadn't upgraded as I= =20 > planned on waiting for 8.0, but I guess it's time to just go ahead and=20 > upgrade. # frebesd-update -r 7.2-RELEASE upgrade After upgrading, download the ports tree: # portsnap fetch install # portupgrade -a In a month or so, do it again with 8.0-RELEASE, and run # portsnap fetch update # portupgrade -af This will rebuild *all* your ports, not just those that are out-of-date. Strongly recommended when upgrading to a new major release. BTW, this belongs on -questions, not on -chat. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 15:34:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C6E1065676 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CFD8FC1C for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9A16D41B; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4FC084514; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:34:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Allen References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <200910170208.46267.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <22166b750910162352r58d0eeb3t7916dc2064fb493c@mail.gmail.com> <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <86tyxy3uhs.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:34:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86tyxy3uhs.fsf@ds4.des.no> ("Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rg?= =?utf-8?Q?rav=22's?= message of "Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:33:51 +0200") Message-ID: <86pr8m3ug8.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:34:49 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > After upgrading, download the ports tree: > > # portsnap fetch install sorry, that should be "fetch extract". DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 17 20:32:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887311065670 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:32:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5A8FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twKb1c00416AWCUA7wYJ52; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:32:18 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twYG1c0040Yq9Sc8SwYHjT; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:32:17 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:31:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200910170053.52329.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <200910170357.35767.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> <86tyxy3uhs.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86tyxy3uhs.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910171631.05802.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Quickie question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:32:17 -0000 On Saturday 17 October 2009 11:33:51 am Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Allen writes: > > Thanks for letting me know about that. I didn't know. I heard the other > > day on here that 7.1 had a longer life cycle than 7.2 so I hadn't > > upgraded as I planned on waiting for 8.0, but I guess it's time to just > > go ahead and upgrade. > > # frebesd-update -r 7.2-RELEASE upgrade > > After upgrading, download the ports tree: > > # portsnap fetch install > # portupgrade -a > > In a month or so, do it again with 8.0-RELEASE, and run > > # portsnap fetch update > # portupgrade -af > > This will rebuild *all* your ports, not just those that are out-of-date. > Strongly recommended when upgrading to a new major release. Ahh thankls, I knew there was a way to upgrade everything without actually= =20 grabbing the CDs. I grabbed the ISO images for 7.2 just in case a few weeks= =20 ago, but I kinda like the upgrading over the net thing, and I haven't ever= =20 done that before, I think I'll try that. > BTW, this belongs on -questions, not on -chat. I know, that's why I was saying thank you for allowing me to ask this here= =20 since at the moment, and still, my normal email account, and all the lists,= =20 are not usable yet (The machine is building itself from sources, can't get = to=20 the mail) did a quickie kmail configure on another machine, but I don't hav= e=20 all my lists and filters and anything else, and only this list is actually= =20 coming in. FreeBSD-Questions isn't showing up right now, not sure why but=20 I'll check that later on, got a busy day today. Thanks again! > DES =2DAllen