From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 1 17:30:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B23106566B for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D538FC1F for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987326D41B; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E65984503; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:30:42 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Rick N References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:30:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Rick N.'s message of "Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:33:35 -0400") Message-ID: <867huajgot.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:30:43 -0000 Rick N writes: > I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's. > > http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap. Completely irrelevant. Vagner is talking about a requirement to certify the *software*, not the developers or admins. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 00:35:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0ED106566B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B678FC17 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:35:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEACK27UqC1B9C/2dsb2JhbACEc4sJuRuCEwEJBYREiEyCUIEWUwSDVYEshBM Received: from edg02.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.66]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2009 16:35:53 -0800 Received: from EHB02.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.84) by EDG02.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:35:52 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:35:52 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110116355097-2410 ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:35:50 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:35:50 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <867huajgot.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <867huajgot.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:35:51, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:35:52, Serialize complete at 11/01/2009 16:35:52 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-559023410-851401618-1257122150=:2011" Cc: Rick N , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:35:53 -0000 ---559023410-851401618-1257122150=:2011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Rick N writes: >> I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's. >> >> http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap. > > Completely irrelevant. Vagner is talking about a requirement to certify > the *software*, not the developers or admins. Yeah.. "by the Russian government," not by the makers of FreeBSD > > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-851401618-1257122150=:2011-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 00:36:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D401065672 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC488FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:36:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJu27UqC1B9C/2dsb2JhbADLLwEJBYRAiEyCUIFpBINVgSyEEw Received: from edg02.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.66]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2009 16:26:57 -0800 Received: from EHB02.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.84) by EDG02.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:26:56 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:26:56 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110116265521-2408 ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:26:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:26:54 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Vagner In-Reply-To: <20091031141651.GA7175@vagner.bsd.loc> Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <20091031141651.GA7175@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:26:55, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:26:56, Serialize complete at 11/01/2009 16:26:56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Igor Mozolevsky Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:37:00 -0000 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Vagner wrote: > On 09:44 Sat 31 Oct , Igor Mozolevsky wrote: >> 2009/10/31 Vagner : >> >>> In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the >>> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process >>> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by >>> certified operating systems and software. >>> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). Certification BY the Russian Federal Security Service, NOT the BSD community.. >>> But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. >> > email: vagner_rider@bk.ru > > ---------------------------------------- > ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > X - against HTML, vCards and > / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 00:38:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE861065698 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A51E8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:38:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACK27UqC1B9B/2dsb2JhbADLKgEJBYREiEwCgk6BaQSDVYEshBM Received: from edg01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.65]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2009 16:29:18 -0800 Received: from EHB02.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.84) by EDG01.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:29:17 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:29:17 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110116291644-2409 ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:29:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:29:16 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Vagner In-Reply-To: <20091031154436.GA8058@vagner.bsd.loc> Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <20091031154436.GA8058@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:29:16, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:29:17, Serialize complete at 11/01/2009 16:29:17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: Rick N , Freebsd chat Mail List Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:38:44 -0000 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Vagner wrote: >> Thats not good news for you guys indeed. >> Correct if I'm wrong, but I guess its sounds like the one most certifiable (aka pay$ the most corrupt money -gets to be the certified-OS of choice in Russia. ? >> lets me guess - Bill Gates wins right? >> I hope not. >> GL >> Rick. >> > Yes, you understood everything correctly. In Russia it's introduced as > another of many ways to take money from organizations. But this is not > correct:(( In Russia there are organizations representing the interests > of the community - they sell to support itself freebsd. Why they do not > work towards the legalization freebsd - don't understand. I want to find > a way to freely choose FreeBSD as the primary server for organizations, > but if things go further it will be impossible. Time to bring the > systems in accordance with the laws - 1.01.2010 Okay, but what about flavors of Linux--Does the Russian government certify any of those? > > -- > Respectfully, > Stanislav Putrya > System administrator > "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. > IM: 328585847 > mob. phone: +79525600664 > email: root.vagner@gmail.com > email: vagner_rider@bk.ru > > ---------------------------------------- > ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > X - against HTML, vCards and > / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 00:53:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD3E1065672 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700328FC17 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgwFABqv7UqC1B9B/2dsb2JhbACLBcAFAQkFhEKITAKCToFpBINVgSyEEw Received: from edg01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.65]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2009 16:24:49 -0800 Received: from EHB02.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.84) by EDG01.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:24:49 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:24:48 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110116244847-2407 ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:24:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:24:48 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Rick N In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:24:48, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/01/2009 16:24:49, Serialize complete at 11/01/2009 16:24:49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:53:23 -0000 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Rick N wrote: > > We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :) > I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's. > > http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap. > My understanding of what he said was that the Russian government needed to certify the operating system and then didn't? Therefore the BSD certification is irrelevant? > as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..." > > well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem. > > > > GL > > > > Rick. > > -------------------------------------------------------- >> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300 >> From: root.vagner@gmail.com >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >> Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws >> >> Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear >> advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the >> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process >> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by >> certified operating systems and software. >> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. >> That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar. >> For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but >> refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. Thks >> >> -- >> Respectfully, >> Stanislav Putrya >> System administrator >> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. >> IM: 328585847 >> mob. phone: +79525600664 >> email: root.vagner@gmail.com >> email: vagner_rider@bk.ru >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign >> X - against HTML, vCards and >> / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _________________________________________________________________ > CDN College or University student? Get Windows 7 for only $39.99 before Jan 3! Buy it now! > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691636_______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 04:44:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D065D106566B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (s6.stradamotorsports.com [64.81.163.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55CD8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.191] ([192.168.1.191]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA2493Po055140 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4AEE5B5F.6040904@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:09:03 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,US_DOLLARS_3 autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Domain Name Market X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:44:08 -0000 That subject header looks like spam already, but I couldn't think of a better one that was apropos. Where is the best place to sell a domain name? Stated another way, where can I sell a domain name where the market is sufficiently large and legitimate to fetch a fair price. I have been using this domain for a very long time now. I really don't want to maintain it any more. I'm mostly giving up on the unix hobby. But if you go looking for a market place to sell a domain, you find a bunch of jokers trying to sell "stoopidnamezxy.zh" for $21,000,000. It looks like the market is purely squatters trying to get rich quick. A domain name without a developed business shouldn't be worth too much. Still, I'd like to get something having paid for the damn thing for ten years. ebay seems like a crap shoot with all the squatters out there. Thanks, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 07:21:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF17106566C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFB68FC1E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA27L4S1082514; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nA27L4H6082513; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:21:04 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:21:20 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:21:23 -0000 Hi, >From what was quoted so far, it seems that the Russian government requires software to be certified if it is being used to handle "state secrets" (and other kinds of restricted information of the government) and to drive "environmentally hazardous facilities" (which probably includes nuclear power plants, oil refineries and the like). I really don't see what's the big problem with that. Many countries have regulations like that, and I even think that they make sense (to a certain degree). None of the quotes I have seen so far indicate that FreeBSD cannot be used anymore for generic purposes in the industry, let alone in private homes. So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf, people. You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "I made up the term 'object-oriented', and I can tell you I didn't have C++ in mind." -- Alan Kay, OOPSLA '97 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 10:35:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5CC106568D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mozolevsky@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A058FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so1223701ewy.36 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:35:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Z8j5WCmagkgDRYKS1onJgV+ImVOOw+RO5u2nM8U9nJo=; b=gDKci8JPQRMUCztbvyIYbM5OCe0VFrvtfKrJsCwVfOYlK/erqybOPdaKJWoYGZZx+L LkkKXJLlNz02vFSBQt8yenxNzzabDcoAsh+WOlQixgy+0EnMwprH5h58Z7/nyC0/40m5 gLYILRPNKJPRimLOND4biiZlZ1u3GODRQc5p4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=KV/PZ1pkou7Bz7GGi23jym0DNiwysFgw592XO+h8PlZW3OdavCl0F1Dl8Mu3mOtkcQ 02N2XFqbPayeEzqCvZNKstNM7IMkBQEu6WUklS7GtA8YrR1GVeTC0rgO6Z4esD1NdPNL nL5FRprS+mxErKNRfEkKqtCC/ATuZQ0ZvzzME= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mozolevsky@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.86.80 with SMTP id v58mr4254314wee.40.1257158153043; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:35:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:35:32 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d651726a9f87e6e4 Message-ID: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:35:55 -0000 Incidentally, an unofficial translation to English can be found on Hunton & Williams website [1]. 1. http://www.hunton.com/files/tbl_s47Details/FileUpload265/1625/Privacy_Russia_White_Paper.pdf Cheers, -- Igor From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 16:22:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6895B106566B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534528FC16 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY113-W24 ([65.54.168.124]) by bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:22:28 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.212.23.8] From: Rick N To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 11:22:27 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2009 16:22:28.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB76BEB0:01CA5BD8] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:22:29 -0000 "...So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf=2C people. You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour...." =20 Nobody was "trying" to spread FUD=2C or a disfavour to FreeBSD here Oli=2C =20 I simply didn't understand exactly what he meant early on in this thread=2C= and still not exactly sure=2C but thanks for looking into these quotes. Rick. =20 =20 > Date: Mon=2C 2 Nov 2009 08:21:04 +0100 > From: olli@lurza.secnetix.de > To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > CC:=20 > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws >=20 > Hi=2C >=20 > >From what was quoted so far=2C it seems that the Russian > government requires software to be certified if it is > being used to handle "state secrets" (and other kinds > of restricted information of the government) and to > drive "environmentally hazardous facilities" (which > probably includes nuclear power plants=2C oil refineries > and the like). >=20 > I really don't see what's the big problem with that. > Many countries have regulations like that=2C and I even > think that they make sense (to a certain degree). >=20 > None of the quotes I have seen so far indicate that > FreeBSD cannot be used anymore for generic purposes > in the industry=2C let alone in private homes. >=20 > So please stop spreading FUD and crying wolf=2C people. > You're definitely not doing FreeBSD a favour. >=20 > Best regards > Oliver >=20 > --=20 > Oliver Fromme=2C secnetix GmbH & Co. KG=2C Marktplatz 29=2C 85567 Grafing= b. M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen=2C HRA 74606=2C Gesch=E4ftsfueh= rung: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH=2C Handelsregister: Registergericht M= =FCn- > chen=2C HRB 125758=2C Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann=2C Olaf Erb=2C R= alf Gebhart >=20 > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen=2C -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bs= d >=20 > "I made up the term 'object-oriented'=2C and I can tell you > I didn't have C++ in mind." > -- Alan Kay=2C OOPSLA '97 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =20 _________________________________________________________________ Save up to 84% on Windows 7 until Jan 3=97eligible CDN College & University= students only. Hurry=97buy it now for $39.99! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9691635= From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 19:02:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69509106568D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F94E8FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E2F50A7D; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a0jzwgXST77P; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B6D850850 ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:45:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4AEF28B2.3030908@langille.org> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:45:06 -0500 From: Dan Langille User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <4AEE5B5F.6040904@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <4AEE5B5F.6040904@highperformance.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: Domain Name Market X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:02:16 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > That subject header looks like spam already, but I couldn't think of a > better one that was apropos. > > Where is the best place to sell a domain name? Stated another way, > where can I sell a domain name where the market is sufficiently large > and legitimate to fetch a fair price. I'd start by contacting http://highperformance.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 20:32:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AE4106566C for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11CA8FC14 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0Dnk1d0060mlR8UAALY2P5; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:32:02 +0000 Received: from debianbox.local ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0LY01d0020Yq9Sc8XLY1sF; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:32:02 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:29:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200911021529.56378.GedankeZauberer@comcast.net> Subject: FreeBSD and music production X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:32:01 -0000 Hey all, A few years ago, I started taking music a little more serious. Mostly because of things like Myspace Music, where anyone can make an account and upload music to it, and get their sound out there to others. I had been making music for a while, but since I don't have the cash to drop on a studio, nor do I have the cash to even get one of those little things that lets you hook up a Bass guitar or Guitar at all to the computer, so I did what I could. Sometimes I'd record everything in 60 second intervals because Windows Record couldn't do more than that, and then when I realized I could continue from there, I'd have to write music in a way where at 60 seconds, I could pick up where I left off without it being so noticeable which isn't easy. after I started using Linux and BSD and a few years had past, I found LMMS and LOVED it. I now use LMMS for everything. I make ALL my music in it. And FreeBSD has it too. So, everything I'm linking to that you can hear, was ALL done in either FreeBSD, Debian Linux, or SUSE Linux, with LMMS. http://www.myspace.com/farmacyofhorror I used LMMS on Linux and FreeBSD depending on which machine I was using at the time, to make all of that. It started with just my laptop, so I didn't have good speakers really hooked up to that so the bass wasn't great at first since I could barely tell it was there, but after getting good speakers and good headphones, I started taking it a little more. I named it "Digital Horror Punk" because my main influence has been Horror Movies and The Misfits, but since I can't hook up a guitar, or my bass guitar to the computer, I had to make do with what I had. I think it's pretty cool. And since Halloween just passed, I figured I'd make a post and show what I've been doing with this freely available to anyone software we all love. - gore / Farmacy of Horror founder. I make ALL the music myself, and the only sampling is pointed out, and usually pretty easy to spot since the only things I sample are horror Movie clips and a few Misfits Songs and others here and there, which I give credit to whenever I use something. -- http://www.myspace.com/farmacyofhorror Digital Horror Punk - Music I make! All done with LMMS All done with Linux and FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 21:47:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E931065692 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D521A8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHPd7kqC1B9C/2dsb2JhbADPUQEJBYUFiEyCU4FpBINVgSyEEw Received: from edg02.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.66]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2009 13:47:02 -0800 Received: from EHB01.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.27) by EDG02.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:02 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.27) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:47:01 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110213465964-2469 ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:46:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:46:59 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Igor Mozolevsky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/02/2009 13:46:59, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/02/2009 13:47:01, Serialize complete at 11/02/2009 13:47:01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:47:03 -0000 On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > Incidentally, an unofficial translation to English can be found on > Hunton & Williams website [1]. > > > 1. http://www.hunton.com/files/tbl_s47Details/FileUpload265/1625/Privacy_Russia_White_Paper.pdf It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocrats on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the government has records on you. ::phew:: > > > Cheers, > > -- > Igor > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 21:59:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0A4106566B for ; 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b=UHQBRo6rZKEhkllaxg9tQmCwqE5/IhBBqaa4Ql5lsZX+g8oQs7pHt+1KuxDE5nEplo wFNs3ryqF1al2fMEFOn+sj2VWg+AFz4pFoEORw/KrpZHQhZmg4ZYNXIGuir47ylq/k5C ZNLyCu7CoXJWpPwcQw4/gCW1D+uq+ZS8tcZ+8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mozolevsky@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.86.72 with SMTP id v50mr2273599wee.184.1257199198280; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Igor Mozolevsky Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:59:38 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1a5f31ea0e92588c Message-ID: To: KAYVEN RIESE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:59:59 -0000 2009/11/2 KAYVEN RIESE : > It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocrat= s > on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the > government has records on you. No, an "operator" is essentially anyone who processes data - Art. 3 =C2=A72, but I still don't see where the leap to "certified OS" is made... Cheers, -- Igor From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 2 22:19:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67B106566B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B958FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:19:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAKPp7kqC1B9C/2dsb2JhbACEdMdKghMBCQWFD4hMglOBFlMEg1WFPw Received: from edg02.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.66]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2009 14:19:37 -0800 Received: from EHB02.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.84) by EDG02.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.66) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.176.0; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:19:37 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:19:37 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2009110214193589-2472 ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:19:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:19:35 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Igor Mozolevsky In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> <200911020721.nA27L4H6082513@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 11/02/2009 14:19:36, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 11/02/2009 14:19:36, Serialize complete at 11/02/2009 14:19:36 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-559023410-959030623-1257200375=:8706" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:19:38 -0000 ---559023410-959030623-1257200375=:8706 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > 2009/11/2 KAYVEN RIESE : > >> It looks to me it is talking about "operators" i.e. government buearocra= ts >> on state systems talking about "personal data" which just means that the >> government has records on you. > > No, an "operator" is essentially anyone who processes data - Art. 3 > =C2=A72, but I still don't see where the leap to "certified OS" is made..= =2E That is what I was looking at.. and from the use of "operator" in the rest= =20 of the text, it seems it is mostly about the rights of a person regarding= =20 a second party processing their data in some state data system. The first= =20 definition of operator under Article three is "a State authority,=20 municipal authority, .." it seems to imply that it is concerned about=20 what happens to folks' personal data when it gets into the state (or=20 other, granted) system.. I agree.. I didn't quite read it down to the letter.. it is like 15 pages,= =20 but I tried to read most of it. A key definition for this particular worry is Article 3 9).. personal data information system - an information system, consisting of=20 all the personal data kept in a database, and also the information=20 technologies and hardware, enabling processing of such personal data using= =20 automated facilities or without the use of such facilities. In Article 13 # 2 2. Federal Laws may establish special features of keeping records of=20 personal data in State or municipal personal data information systems,=20 including the use of various means of indicating that personal data=20 included in the corresponding State or municipal data information system=20 belong to a particular subject of personal data. Now that sounds to me talking about some beaurocrats dealing with folks=20 coming into a government office.. and they are talking about what the=20 government is doing with their data. Now the definition of operator does extend beyond "state and municipal,"=20 this is true.. umm.. but the spirit of all this.. Yeah.. Not seeing anybody needing to worry about their FBSD. This=20 legislation looks to be on the citizen's side, in my estimation.. not=20 trying to regulate anything but folks who are authorized to snoop into=20 other folks' data.. er.. they talk about privacy somewhere.. but I am not= =20 going to try to cite any more Articles just now. > > > Cheers, > > -- > Igor > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-959030623-1257200375=:8706-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 3 19:33:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B1B106566C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root.vagner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F978FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so8169146bwz.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:33:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:resent-from :resent-date:resent-message-id:resent-to:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=BKVRJ1iCW9evviQAUtxWUyo58wcMfa8N1N0EzDDsw8I=; b=ZatVs8bVA15KQ68jd5Ij4HWX8svviCWjI5VurNVIntjuD5JsmWdxJ4ruPXLPBlJsUR im5vjqWsWtkBjsjbmh+1mxAvEXTzDrsZKv5sG6kddONlVpX8CnctELRse+LaCfjF793i iVJpbbLE08r0H/vK/HvHQ6bc3qxvf6hg7SoiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=resent-from:resent-date:resent-message-id:resent-to:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=fObtwVKA/i8skDPHnO778zNzCRPtZXq6vfsQCm2gD9yK6G2l9VyI0DI/oVgsmLwg67 gpkjAWfAqg+32a1hFrfgkxPUr6ifVRvSMjt7ZJ1S+Vja4lqUgdY/z3JL0dtdLTzpR0M9 rM+VkbUUyr08Ew/oM9MuJsfSiAvjTUNP4RnSA= Received: by 10.204.154.211 with SMTP id p19mr436670bkw.3.1257276811537; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.vagner@gmail.com ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1023500fks.34.2009.11.03.11.33.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by root.vagner@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0300 Resent-From: Vagner Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +0300 Resent-Message-ID: <20091103193325.GB1035@vagner.bsd.loc> Resent-To: Freebsd chat Mail List Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:29:47 +0300 From: Vagner To: KAYVEN RIESE Message-ID: <20091103192806.GA1035@vagner.bsd.loc> References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:33:35 -0000 On 16:24 Sun 01 Nov , KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Rick N wrote: > > > > > We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :) > > I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's. > > > > http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap. > > > > My understanding of what he said was that the Russian government needed to > certify the operating system and then didn't? Therefore the BSD > certification is irrelevant? > > > > as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..." > > > > well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem. > > > > > > > > GL > > > > > > > > Rick. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > >> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300 > >> From: root.vagner@gmail.com > >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > >> Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws > >> > >> Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear > >> advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the > >> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process > >> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by > >> certified operating systems and software. > >> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. > >> That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar. > >> For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but > >> refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. Thks > >> > >> -- > >> Respectfully, > >> Stanislav Putrya > >> System administrator > >> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. > >> IM: 328585847 > >> mob. phone: +79525600664 > >> email: root.vagner@gmail.com > >> email: vagner_rider@bk.ru > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > >> X - against HTML, vCards and > >> / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > CDN College or University student? Get Windows 7 for only $39.99 before Jan 3! Buy it now! > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691636_______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Keyven, russia's government as far as i understood the meaning of the law and how it understood the lawyers of my environment requires certification for all OS used for processing personal data. From Linux on a date, certified by my data only commercial building & ALT Linux. The main question is that if the courts begin FBSD all still will have to address the issue of certification at the level of the country. Redarding the data is in municipal institutions - advence i received from the branch suggests that the processing of personal data applies to commercial entities, as well as the personnel department is making the personal data of employees as well as accounting. It was very interesting to hear the admins YANDEX & RAMBLER, as representatives of the russia organizations most ambitiously using FBSD in their activities... -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. IM: 328585847 mob. phone: +79525600664 email: root.vagner@gmail.com email: vagner_rider@bk.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 3 19:40:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D34C106566C for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root.vagner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9148FC17 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so8176042bwz.3 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:39:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=BKVRJ1iCW9evviQAUtxWUyo58wcMfa8N1N0EzDDsw8I=; b=DTG1eg55AW/K0vVc+e29I76aPnPnMaMA1El+7Qe0mROKaoyifc/wwQ6MtUDVAZn8uS rDEr1A+aSq3VEsDpp7khYQe7iqOJpmx6deUPpUoiJwm+6TSxtnQ64arygwJEyRS3YGxC ZNeJHK5hiKx3Le+6s5DPhe5oa6/1TsGOvxEZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=MIXUEwMeP2VVkXy2ynBUop+9Fq1aofb1+WTwyxjBfc2huUhlh01DWMZCNPtJV+AVtI bdvx0Pmo2ygN8yW1Bw7fzIl/KuRpXtn52jfQrx3nkRS05ibjaNGXbVV5JuHhsTQVRbEk tM4cQ8H2MM/84VoVwnwDIatl3KIXutBOY/EaM= Received: by 10.204.153.24 with SMTP id i24mr413828bkw.114.1257277196577; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.vagner@gmail.com ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k29sm1029749fkk.25.2009.11.03.11.39.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by root.vagner@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:39:49 +0300 Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:39:49 +0300 From: Vagner To: Freebsd chat Mail List Message-ID: <20091103193949.GA1378@vagner.bsd.loc> References: <20091031061956.GA4561@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:40:00 -0000 On 16:24 Sun 01 Nov , KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Rick N wrote: > > > > > We're all certifiable with the *BSD's, no pun intended. :) > > I'm not sure if this helps but there is accepted "certs" for the BSD's. > > > > http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -and it's fairly cheap. > > > > My understanding of what he said was that the Russian government needed to > certify the operating system and then didn't? Therefore the BSD > certification is irrelevant? > > > > as far as your "...How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself?..." > > > > well, UNFORTUNATELY, every country in the world HAS THAT problem. > > > > > > > > GL > > > > > > > > Rick. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > >> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:19:56 +0300 > >> From: root.vagner@gmail.com > >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > >> Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws > >> > >> Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear > >> advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the > >> corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process > >> personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by > >> certified operating systems and software. > >> Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. > >> That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar. > >> For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but > >> refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. Thks > >> > >> -- > >> Respectfully, > >> Stanislav Putrya > >> System administrator > >> "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. > >> IM: 328585847 > >> mob. phone: +79525600664 > >> email: root.vagner@gmail.com > >> email: vagner_rider@bk.ru > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign > >> X - against HTML, vCards and > >> / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > CDN College or University student? Get Windows 7 for only $39.99 before Jan 3! Buy it now! > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691636_______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Keyven, russia's government as far as i understood the meaning of the law and how it understood the lawyers of my environment requires certification for all OS used for processing personal data. From Linux on a date, certified by my data only commercial building & ALT Linux. The main question is that if the courts begin FBSD all still will have to address the issue of certification at the level of the country. Redarding the data is in municipal institutions - advence i received from the branch suggests that the processing of personal data applies to commercial entities, as well as the personnel department is making the personal data of employees as well as accounting. It was very interesting to hear the admins YANDEX & RAMBLER, as representatives of the russia organizations most ambitiously using FBSD in their activities... -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. IM: 328585847 mob. phone: +79525600664 email: root.vagner@gmail.com email: vagner_rider@bk.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 6 02:38:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590131065672 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark.Pith@student.uva.nl) Received: from pieck.student.uva.nl (pieck.student.uva.nl [146.50.96.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B61C8FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from conversion-daemon.pieck.student.uva.nl by pieck.student.uva.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.12 (built May 22 2006)) id <0KSN00201Z0T2T@pieck.student.uva.nl> (original mail from Mark.Pith@student.uva.nl) for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:38:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from student.uva.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pieck.student.uva.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.12 (built May 22 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KSN00IV5Z7HEF@pieck.student.uva.nl>; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:38:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from [202.65.245.7] (Forwarded-For: 119.56.22.12, 192.168.230.10) by pieck.student.uva.nl (mshttpd); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:38:05 +0800 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:38:05 +0800 From: "M. 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