From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 06:55:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D75106566C; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF528FC0C; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so539497qwe.7 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:55:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.77 with SMTP id x13mr532821qcn.105.1247984735185; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:25:35 -0700 Message-ID: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> From: Murray Stokely To: hubs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD doc list Subject: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:55:11 -0000 None of the five sources of anonymous CVS access to FreeBSD supports the doc repository. Is it possible for someone to host an anonymous CVS server for the doc ("dcvs") repository? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/anoncvs.html - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 13:20:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDB710656E3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1992F8FC13; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (arthur.bofh [192.168.2.3]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B912D4842; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6361F5C14; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:20:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:20:53 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Murray Stokely , Brad Davis Message-ID: <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD doc list , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:20:54 -0000 On 2009.07.18 23:25:35 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > None of the five sources of anonymous CVS access to FreeBSD supports > the doc repository. Is it possible for someone to host an anonymous > CVS server for the doc ("dcvs") repository? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/anoncvs.html brd@ has at least in the past run an anonymous CVS server - I'm not sure what the state of that is? Brad? -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 13:54:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F054106566C; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16368FC14; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4494041.home.otenet.gr [94.71.94.225]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n6J82xGp025181; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:03:00 +0300 Message-ID: <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:59 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090702) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:08:24 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , "doc@FreeBSD.org" , Gabor PALI , Daichi GOTO , "Simon L. Nielsen" , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas , Rene Ladan , Manolis Kiagias Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:29 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> But isn't qemu distinctly different in the way it works from a >> virtualization program like VMWare or VirtualBox? I think the first >> paragraph serves well as a gentle introduction to the topic. > > How different? Wine, I could see, but qemu? Please elaborate ... > AFAIK qemu also provides processor emulation, thus is mostly referred to as an emulator rather than a virtual machine. I am no expert on this though - I've used qemu in the past but could never get the level of performance possible with VirtualBox or VMWare (which beats them both I believe). The paragraph was loosely based on the original one stating "No virtualization solution for FreeBSD as a host". Seems the original author also did not consider qemu as a virtual machine in this sense. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 17:11:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF25A1065673; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manolis@FreeBSD.org) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D028FC2A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manolis@FreeBSD.org) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4471496.home.otenet.gr [94.71.122.184]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n6JHBgia020952; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:11:42 +0300 Message-ID: <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:11:42 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090702) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Simon L. Nielsen" References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:46 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2009.07.19 11:34:38 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:59 +0300 >> Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >> >>> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> But isn't qemu distinctly different in the way it works from a >>>>> virtualization program like VMWare or VirtualBox? I think the first >>>>> paragraph serves well as a gentle introduction to the topic. >>>>> >>>> How different? Wine, I could see, but qemu? Please elaborate ... >>>> >>> AFAIK qemu also provides processor emulation, thus is mostly referred to >>> as an emulator rather than a virtual machine. I am no expert on this >>> though - I've used qemu in the past but could never get the level of >>> performance possible with VirtualBox or VMWare (which beats them both I >>> believe). >>> >> Interesting - see, I tried doing an install of qemu a long >> while ago but never went beyond installing it. Though, from >> what I have read, I would not consider it a "virtual machine >> host solution" either. While I understand it runs image files, >> I don't think it's geared for several OS images, running >> concurrently. Again, note, I only installed - and when the >> image I had (passed by a friend) failed to run, I just removed >> it. >> > > I really don't see the big difference between qemu and VMware / > Virtual Box. qemu is more flexible in hardware support - VMware (and > Virtual Box?) is faster. > > Just like VMware server multiple concurrent virtual machines just run > in different processes. Yes, qemu is slower than VMware but e.g. for > testing og kernel hacking it works nicely. I can't comment on Virtual > Box's speed as I haven't tried it. > > [reordered] > > >>> The paragraph was loosely based on the original one stating "No >>> virtualization solution for FreeBSD as a host". Seems the original >>> author also did not consider qemu as a virtual machine in this sense. >>> > > Yes, it came from there, it wasn't any more correct IMO there :-). > > I guess my basic problem with the paragraph is that it seems to me to > be praising Sun a tad much for releasing Virtual Box while ignoring > that qemu has been available freely for years, but perhaps that's just > me. > > This is a good point, and one I have not actually considered. I believe Qemu is not mentioned anywhere in the Handbook and I guess it deserves a place here. > Anyway, I think I made my point and I will let it be up to Manolis as > the author was should be in the section and what should not. > > I will start writing a section on qemu. Installation is probably easier than VirtualBox, but since this is actually a command line tool, it will be interesting to show a few examples on installing a guest system etc. Will then rephrase this introduction paragraph accordingly. Will send in the patch for review here when it is ready (I need to brush up a bit on my qemu skills, haven't used it for a while). I have the patches for the trademark stuff you suggested and will commit them later on tonight - when my afternoon headache is hopefully over... Thanks! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 15:57:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BECF106566C; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gloomweaver.pittgoth.com (gloomweaver.pittgoth.com [205.134.165.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC69D8FC13; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.fbsdsecure.org (c-76-21-171-252.hsd1.va.comcast.net [76.21.171.252]) (authenticated bits=0) by gloomweaver.pittgoth.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6JFb6kb044531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:37:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:34:38 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:11:27 +0000 Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, simon@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org, manolis@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:57:38 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:59 +0300 Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > >> But isn't qemu distinctly different in the way it works from a > >> virtualization program like VMWare or VirtualBox? I think the first > >> paragraph serves well as a gentle introduction to the topic. > > > > How different? Wine, I could see, but qemu? Please elaborate ... > > > > AFAIK qemu also provides processor emulation, thus is mostly referred to > as an emulator rather than a virtual machine. I am no expert on this > though - I've used qemu in the past but could never get the level of > performance possible with VirtualBox or VMWare (which beats them both I > believe). > > The paragraph was loosely based on the original one stating "No > virtualization solution for FreeBSD as a host". Seems the original > author also did not consider qemu as a virtual machine in this sense. > Interesting - see, I tried doing an install of qemu a long while ago but never went beyond installing it. Though, from what I have read, I would not consider it a "virtual machine host solution" either. While I understand it runs image files, I don't think it's geared for several OS images, running concurrently. Again, note, I only installed - and when the image I had (passed by a friend) failed to run, I just removed it. In the end, my virtualization solution has been VMWare ESXi, and VirtualBox only on a Linux host. So, I reserve the right to be wrong. :P -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 16:43:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA78106568A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F50B8FC2E; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@nitro.dk) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (arthur.bofh [192.168.2.3]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0F22D4906; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6894F5C14; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:43:10 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:20:50 +0000 Cc: Manolis Kiagias , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org, manolis@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:43:12 -0000 On 2009.07.19 11:34:38 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:59 +0300 > Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > > > >> But isn't qemu distinctly different in the way it works from a > > >> virtualization program like VMWare or VirtualBox? I think the first > > >> paragraph serves well as a gentle introduction to the topic. > > > > > > How different? Wine, I could see, but qemu? Please elaborate ... > > > > AFAIK qemu also provides processor emulation, thus is mostly referred to > > as an emulator rather than a virtual machine. I am no expert on this > > though - I've used qemu in the past but could never get the level of > > performance possible with VirtualBox or VMWare (which beats them both I > > believe). > > Interesting - see, I tried doing an install of qemu a long > while ago but never went beyond installing it. Though, from > what I have read, I would not consider it a "virtual machine > host solution" either. While I understand it runs image files, > I don't think it's geared for several OS images, running > concurrently. Again, note, I only installed - and when the > image I had (passed by a friend) failed to run, I just removed > it. I really don't see the big difference between qemu and VMware / Virtual Box. qemu is more flexible in hardware support - VMware (and Virtual Box?) is faster. Just like VMware server multiple concurrent virtual machines just run in different processes. Yes, qemu is slower than VMware but e.g. for testing og kernel hacking it works nicely. I can't comment on Virtual Box's speed as I haven't tried it. [reordered] > > The paragraph was loosely based on the original one stating "No > > virtualization solution for FreeBSD as a host". Seems the original > > author also did not consider qemu as a virtual machine in this sense. Yes, it came from there, it wasn't any more correct IMO there :-). I guess my basic problem with the paragraph is that it seems to me to be praising Sun a tad much for releasing Virtual Box while ignoring that qemu has been available freely for years, but perhaps that's just me. Anyway, I think I made my point and I will let it be up to Manolis as the author was should be in the section and what should not. -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 18:09:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD232106564A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA42B8FC0A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pali.gabor@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so1421654bwz.43 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:09:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RZ8RBhzRHqKgS/MI8iV5XGjwrpd4HHiaLNBgfWVoHMU=; b=F5xuPv0MDdBZw8WWCIOo4APxIHXZ24rFYCAdf7Z6MVG1Slu6ziA2oD5P0r1nB0hbcl 3/tbVKtuA80t6Fb3VfDxg6ynHDhMWDIEsk5Iu0XCaGtmx7jBtwAJtXPWH3TIj3uo8bFg hJSQ/1BjPQyUqCVyY5RFHl5gJ0nuXKeSCpHkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=w/u27IxYFEh6vP/QmseJgPtmuyFuyd8XB8fW6E6WdAV0w4zIU9E50XqlpGC/KnTnJq QafuqN2l2rebfipJCJWLDrEKUFGoG8pws4nKAnBcEy6ntaVpIoI1GwpGcMLMu0JNcg8Z rVGxAjG9rMnOmdhQ8p46ZurVXKzaPQfv5i8yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: pali.gabor@googlemail.com Received: by 10.223.125.144 with SMTP id y16mr942783far.93.1248025557525; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:45:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:45:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 36c2fd019bba7c65 Message-ID: <685a6ef80907191045p49fdbe1fm6f7697388b7fa3bd@mail.gmail.com> From: Gabor PALI To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:21:04 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, daichi@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, keramida@freebsd.org, rene@freebsd.org, loader@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:09:13 -0000 Hey Manolis, On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > I will start writing a section on qemu. For your information, there is a PR [1] about adding a section on qemu to the Handbook. You should contact its responsible (loader@, CCed, just for sure), because he might have something on the topic. Hope that helps, :g [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/127923 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 18:59:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0111065670; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: from smtp.kn-bremen.de (gelbbaer.kn-bremen.de [78.46.108.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA838FC24; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:59:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: by smtp.kn-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 0CECA1E002B2; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from triton.kn-bremen.de (noident@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triton.kn-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6JIeclc067442; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:40:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox@triton.kn-bremen.de) Received: (from nox@localhost) by triton.kn-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6JIebPe067441; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:40:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox) From: Juergen Lock Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:40:37 +0200 To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20090719184037.GA67283@triton.kn-bremen.de> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:27:10 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:59:32 -0000 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 08:11:42PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2009.07.19 11:34:38 -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:59 +0300 > >> Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> But isn't qemu distinctly different in the way it works from a > >>>>> virtualization program like VMWare or VirtualBox? I think the first > >>>>> paragraph serves well as a gentle introduction to the topic. > >>>>> > >>>> How different? Wine, I could see, but qemu? Please elaborate ... > >>>> > >>> AFAIK qemu also provides processor emulation, thus is mostly referred to > >>> as an emulator rather than a virtual machine. I am no expert on this > >>> though - I've used qemu in the past but could never get the level of > >>> performance possible with VirtualBox or VMWare (which beats them both I > >>> believe). > >>> > >> Interesting - see, I tried doing an install of qemu a long > >> while ago but never went beyond installing it. Though, from > >> what I have read, I would not consider it a "virtual machine > >> host solution" either. While I understand it runs image files, > >> I don't think it's geared for several OS images, running > >> concurrently. Again, note, I only installed - and when the > >> image I had (passed by a friend) failed to run, I just removed > >> it. > >> > > > > I really don't see the big difference between qemu and VMware / > > Virtual Box. qemu is more flexible in hardware support - VMware (and > > Virtual Box?) is faster. > > > > Just like VMware server multiple concurrent virtual machines just run > > in different processes. Yes, qemu is slower than VMware but e.g. for > > testing og kernel hacking it works nicely. I can't comment on Virtual > > Box's speed as I haven't tried it. > > > > [reordered] > > > > > >>> The paragraph was loosely based on the original one stating "No > >>> virtualization solution for FreeBSD as a host". Seems the original > >>> author also did not consider qemu as a virtual machine in this sense. > >>> > > > > Yes, it came from there, it wasn't any more correct IMO there :-). > > > > I guess my basic problem with the paragraph is that it seems to me to > > be praising Sun a tad much for releasing Virtual Box while ignoring > > that qemu has been available freely for years, but perhaps that's just > > me. > > > > > > This is a good point, and one I have not actually considered. > I believe Qemu is not mentioned anywhere in the Handbook and I guess it > deserves a place here. > > > Anyway, I think I made my point and I will let it be up to Manolis as > > the author was should be in the section and what should not. > > > > > I will start writing a section on qemu. Installation is probably easier > than VirtualBox, but since this is actually a command line tool, it will > be interesting to show a few examples on installing a guest system etc. > Will then rephrase this introduction paragraph accordingly. Will send > in the patch for review here when it is ready (I need to brush up a bit > on my qemu skills, haven't used it for a while). Actually I started a handbook section on qemu a while ago already, see this thread: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-December/015248.html So it was worked on, but apparently never got committed... Just thought I'd mention... :) Juergen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 19:11:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0AA1065687 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f208.google.com (mail-bw0-f208.google.com [209.85.218.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED9D8FC18 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so1437843bwz.43 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:11:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aKocNbykJk9RneJ/WD8umm4pkRIXXonpYv31HHadpcM=; b=i0f+9kRb1kpFTQuPdUZZ8e/dvfcj3KFyGBnlTrs/y9cXNLoHXH0GPQCxqX5Z1nGm9O ZyulB28/0pDgmxj3L0Ri7fQVZg8ONBSRPpCBSrlPpwqXh01pJA6CtVdQ6MxcOXv+gk54 fgRFN8C4/1jqswUMMfo0VEt81OGl6NWTfxE5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U/SZkkIh72t593NJPAPgBMtGJCKxE4n7NTD8NI8DeJAzQsXFdEbR8Q6cnDGoDJG6Ox ugtzI9zRzGUaqswNkyRzkLy5lMxtTJHKARcw2ID1lOlVauAxZPeaY8aNYESTbLOl+OuJ SlusPLxEo3YlRQAwFFd48kVAIwfo3sSh4a59Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.120.197 with SMTP id e5mr963370far.25.1248030662946; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310907191211i7fb8a7f5qb146ed8b2038f06e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:27:18 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org, daichi@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, keramida@freebsd.org, rene@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:06 -0000 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: [really big snip] > > This is a good point, and one I have not actually considered. > I believe Qemu is not mentioned anywhere in the Handbook and I guess it > deserves a place here. > While it is not mentioned in the Handbook, there is a Wiki page about Qemu [1]. Out of curiosity however, I remember nox@ mentioning that KQemu will no longer be developed [2]. My interpretation of that announcement was that Qemu will no longer be developed as well. Is this incorrect? [1] - http://wiki.freebsd.org/qemu [2] - http://www.nabble.com/plans-to-retire-kqemu-(poll)-td23893816.html -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 21:02:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7D1065720; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f205.google.com (mail-fx0-f205.google.com [209.85.220.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E518FC2A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so92637fxm.43 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:02:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l6rD4D0IGJIdwIeYGoh660JHAgm1t1/udumVcQKhxNw=; b=bZsSrlU0Cip0VsvojWI4hQJ+7wBQzNAXdHfAKlajkca/G2eqD26vZWM0iU3pkRAxXS Vld1N6xgqwZzV2dyswyxfmQQ0OYe7Q2f/Ol/xy8uGRTFB+Hu91U4OXnBaG12RscB+DiL 1VkJIx+kY2XmPpUiahEEG6J9LkDcvCPhZ6uW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R+F/2Ey6VBjFJ/Dj024SnUoCL7RFOWmGYJDK6CW7Eb6pJOjVlnmqCWEmsDkNEBTkXV TDWY+DN4GhyEXi4kzTAmfbJbUYhW852DqJDutdJo8QRJ/8FNRpdNd4UwwCpx0Y8OEt8z fqUdL6I0tlvxIGs8EtqlQ6TP7C0gPXodRxHFg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.120.197 with SMTP id e5mr980782far.25.1248037339387; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:02:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907192054.n6JKsAJB035652@triton.kn-bremen.de> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> <4ad871310907191211i7fb8a7f5qb146ed8b2038f06e@mail.gmail.com> <200907192054.n6JKsAJB035652@triton.kn-bremen.de> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:02:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310907191402m1907056cs14dd6d5be457d945@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Juergen Lock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, Manolis Kiagias , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: qemu (was: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:02:22 -0000 [CCs trimmed to avoid another bounce] On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Juergen Lock wrote= : > In article <4ad871310907191211i7fb8a7f5qb146ed8b2038f06e@mail.gmail.com> = you write: >>On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wro= te: >> >>[really big snip] >> >>> >>> This is a good point, and one I have not actually considered. >>> I believe Qemu is not mentioned anywhere in the Handbook and I guess it >>> deserves a place here. >>> >> >>While it is not mentioned in the Handbook, there is a Wiki page about >>Qemu [1]. =A0Out of curiosity however, I remember nox@ mentioning that >>KQemu will no longer be developed [2]. =A0My interpretation of that >>announcement was that Qemu will no longer be developed as well. =A0Is >>this incorrect? > > Actually it is, qemu itself is very much alive and kicking, its just > its virtualization support that has moved focus from kqemu to kvm. > (And yes we really could use an up-to-date and working port for that...) > Juergen, Glad to see I was misinterpreting the announcement. Thanks! --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 20:21:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FF8106566B; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manolis@FreeBSD.org) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A0B8FC13; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manolis@FreeBSD.org) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4471496.home.otenet.gr [94.71.122.184]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n6JKLAJY001370; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:21:11 +0300 Message-ID: <4A638036.40304@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:21:10 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090702) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Lock References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> <20090719184037.GA67283@triton.kn-bremen.de> In-Reply-To: <20090719184037.GA67283@triton.kn-bremen.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:20:28 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, pgj@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:21:14 -0000 Juergen Lock wrote: > >> >> I will start writing a section on qemu. Installation is probably easier >> than VirtualBox, but since this is actually a command line tool, it will >> be interesting to show a few examples on installing a guest system etc. >> Will then rephrase this introduction paragraph accordingly. Will send >> in the patch for review here when it is ready (I need to brush up a bit >> on my qemu skills, haven't used it for a while). >> > > Actually I started a handbook section on qemu a while ago already, see > this thread: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-December/015248.html > > So it was worked on, but apparently never got committed... > > Just thought I'd mention... :) > Juergen > > Thanks, this patch looks very similar to what I had in mind (in fact, it seems to be even more detailed in the networking area). I can help with this if loader@ doesn't have other plans. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 19 20:55:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E6910656DB; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: from smtp.kn-bremen.de (gelbbaer.kn-bremen.de [78.46.108.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E678FC24; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de) Received: by smtp.kn-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id CA15B1E002B2; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from triton.kn-bremen.de (noident@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by triton.kn-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6JKsBjG036854; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:54:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox@triton.kn-bremen.de) Received: (from nox@localhost) by triton.kn-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6JKsAJB035652; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:54:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nox) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:54:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200907192054.n6JKsAJB035652@triton.kn-bremen.de> To: glen.j.barber@gmail.com X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.doc In-Reply-To: <4ad871310907191211i7fb8a7f5qb146ed8b2038f06e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> Organization: home X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:28:10 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, pgj@freebsd.org, daichi@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, keramida@freebsd.org, rene@freebsd.org, Manolis Kiagias Subject: qemu (was: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:55:51 -0000 In article <4ad871310907191211i7fb8a7f5qb146ed8b2038f06e@mail.gmail.com> you write: >On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >[really big snip] > >> >> This is a good point, and one I have not actually considered. >> I believe Qemu is not mentioned anywhere in the Handbook and I guess it >> deserves a place here. >> > >While it is not mentioned in the Handbook, there is a Wiki page about >Qemu [1]. Out of curiosity however, I remember nox@ mentioning that >KQemu will no longer be developed [2]. My interpretation of that >announcement was that Qemu will no longer be developed as well. Is >this incorrect? Actually it is, qemu itself is very much alive and kicking, its just its virtualization support that has moved focus from kqemu to kvm. (And yes we really could use an up-to-date and working port for that...) HTH, Juergen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 04:43:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1627F106564A; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: from valentine.liquidneon.com (valentine.liquidneon.com [216.87.78.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA048FC1B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from so14k@valentine.liquidneon.com) Received: by valentine.liquidneon.com (Postfix, from userid 1018) id 856718FE8E; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:23:40 -0600 From: Brad Davis To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20090720042340.GK40521@valentine.liquidneon.com> References: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD doc list , Murray Stokely , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:43:59 -0000 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 03:20:53PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2009.07.18 23:25:35 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > > None of the five sources of anonymous CVS access to FreeBSD supports > > the doc repository. Is it possible for someone to host an anonymous > > CVS server for the doc ("dcvs") repository? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/anoncvs.html > > brd@ has at least in the past run an anonymous CVS server - I'm not > sure what the state of that is? Brad? Err.. I'm quite confused.. I run anoncvs1.f.o and it has always hosted the docs repo: 22:22:05 brd@penelope:~> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co doc/ cvs checkout: Updating doc U doc/Makefile U doc/README cvs checkout: Updating doc/FAQ cvs checkout: Updating doc/bn_BD.ISO10646-1 [..snip..] Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 05:00:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9381065673 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDFC8FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6K50CIw078003 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6K50CRW078002; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:12 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200907200500.n6K50CRW078002@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Ben Kaduk Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F0F106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B9D8FC20 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:52:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6K4q7aJ027880 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:52:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6K4q7P3027879; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:52:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200907200452.n6K4q7P3027879@www.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:52:07 GMT From: Ben Kaduk To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: docs/136918: grammar fixes to locking.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:00:17 -0000 >Number: 136918 >Category: docs >Synopsis: grammar fixes to locking.9 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 20 05:00:12 UTC 2009 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ben Kaduk >Release: 8-current >Organization: MIT SIPB >Environment: FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #12: Fri Jun 26 23:33:14 EDT 2009 kaduk@periphrasis.mit.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 >Description: There are a number of grammar errors in the locking.9 man page. This is basically orthogonal to docs/134074 , and also does not attempt to remedy the lack of a Semaphores section or the lack of content on lockmanager locks. There is a little bit of markup change and clarity improvement as well. >How-To-Repeat: man 9 locking >Fix: patch available at http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/user/kaduk/freebsd/patches/locking.9.diff.2009.07.20 and inlined below --- locking.9.orig 2009-07-18 15:15:25.000000000 -0400 +++ locking.9 2009-07-20 00:34:46.000000000 -0400 @@ -77,8 +77,8 @@ Some of these primitives may be used at the low (interrupt) level and some may not. .Pp -There are strict ordering requirements and for some of the types this -is checked using the +There are strict ordering requirements for the different lock types, +and for some of the types this ordering is checked using the .Xr witness 4 code. .Pp @@ -98,9 +98,10 @@ A non-spin mutex can be considered to be equivalent to getting a write lock on an .Em rw_lock -(see below), and in fact non-spin mutexes and rw_locks may soon become the same thing. -As in spin mutexes, you either get it or you don't. -You may only call the +(see below), and in fact non-spin mutexes and rw_locks +may soon become the same thing. +As for spin mutexes, you either get it or you don't. +While holding a mutex, you may only call the .Xr sleep 9 call via .Fn msleep @@ -111,20 +112,22 @@ as part of waking up. This is often however a .Em BAD -idea because it generally relies on you having +idea because it generally relies on you the programmer having such a good knowledge of all the call graph above you -and what assumptions it is making that there are a lot +and what assumptions the calling code has made that there are a lot of ways to make hard-to-find mistakes. -For example you MUST re-test all the assumptions you made before, -all the way up the call graph to where you got the lock. -You can not just assume that mtx_sleep can be inserted anywhere. -If any caller above you has any mutex or -rwlock, your sleep, will cause a panic. +For example you MUST re-test all the assumptions that were made before +acquiring the lock, in all the levels of the call graph. +You can not just assume that a +.Fn mtx_sleep +can be inserted anywhere. +If any caller above you holds any mutex or +rwlock, your sleep will cause a panic. If the sleep only happens rarely it may be years before the bad code path is found. .Ss Pool Mutexes -A variant of regular mutexes where the allocation of the mutex is handled -more by the system. +A variant of regular mutexes where the allocation of the mutex is +largely handled by the system. .Ss Rw_locks Reader/writer locks allow shared access to protected data by multiple threads, or exclusive access by a single thread. @@ -173,7 +176,7 @@ locking. .Em rm_lock locks implement full priority propagation by tracking shared owners -using a lock user supplied +using a caller-supplied .Em tracker data structure. .Ss Sx_locks @@ -205,11 +208,12 @@ Turnstiles are used to hold a queue of threads blocked on non-sleepable locks. Sleepable locks use condition variables to implement their queues. -Turnstiles differ from a sleep queue in that turnstile queue's -are assigned to a lock held by an owning thread. -Thus, when one thread is enqueued onto a turnstile, it can lend its -priority to the owning thread. -If this sounds confusing, we need to describe it better. +Turnstiles differ from sleep queues in that turnstile queues +are assigned to a lock held by an owning thread, whereas +there is a global hash table of active sleep queues +Thus, when a thread running at a high priority is enqueued onto +a turnstile, its priority can propagate to the thread that holds +the lock, helping to avoid a deadlock situation. .Ss Semaphores .Ss Condition variables Condition variables are used in conjunction with mutexes to wait for @@ -329,7 +333,7 @@ Lock order is important. .Pp .Em *3 -There are calls atomically release this primitive when going to sleep +There are calls that atomically release this primitive when going to sleep and reacquire it on wakeup (e.g. .Fn mtx_sleep , .Fn rw_sleep >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 05:24:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338E01065678; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86708FC15; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so651843qwe.7 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.74.212 with SMTP id v20mr700147qcj.16.1248067439852; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:23:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090720042340.GK40521@valentine.liquidneon.com> References: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <20090720042340.GK40521@valentine.liquidneon.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:23:59 -0700 Message-ID: <2a7894eb0907192223m57be958dw68969f4379d88fe0@mail.gmail.com> From: Murray Stokely To: Brad Davis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD doc list , hubs@freebsd.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:24:01 -0000 I was thrown by the ncvs path.. I expected that to be at /home/dcvs for do= cs. Thanks for clarifying. - Murray On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Brad Davis wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 03:20:53PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: >> On 2009.07.18 23:25:35 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: >> > None of the five sources of anonymous CVS access to FreeBSD supports >> > the doc repository. =A0Is it possible for someone to host an anonymous >> > CVS server for the doc ("dcvs") repository? >> > >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/anoncvs.html >> >> brd@ has at least in the past run an anonymous CVS server - I'm not >> sure what the state of that is? Brad? > > Err.. I'm quite confused.. I run anoncvs1.f.o and it has always hosted > the docs repo: > > 22:22:05 brd@penelope:~> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs c= o doc/ > cvs checkout: Updating doc > U doc/Makefile > U doc/README > cvs checkout: Updating doc/FAQ > cvs checkout: Updating doc/bn_BD.ISO10646-1 > [..snip..] > > > Regards, > Brad Davis > > From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 07:37:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6211065672; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F1E8FC20; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4471496.home.otenet.gr [94.71.122.184]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n6K7bl0f003972; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:37:47 +0300 Message-ID: <4A641ECB.4070607@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:37:47 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090702) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loader References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> <685a6ef80907191045p49fdbe1fm6f7697388b7fa3bd@mail.gmail.com> <200907200723.n6K7Nh6p001637@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200907200723.n6K7Nh6p001637@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:37:51 -0000 loader wrote: > Gabor PALI wrote: > > >> Hey Manolis, >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: >> >> >>> I will start writing a section on qemu. >>> >> For your information, there is a PR [1] about adding a section on qemu >> to the Handbook. You should contact its responsible (loader@, CCed, >> just for sure), because he might have something on the topic. >> >> Hope that helps, >> :g >> >> [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/127923 >> > > Hi, > > Juergen Lock sent me a patch about Qemu, > maybe we can commit it and continue working this one? > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-December/015248.html > > Regards, > loader > (removed long list of CCs, most people are hopefully subscribed to either doc@ or emulation@) Sure, I've seen the patch and it mostly looks fine, maybe needs a few mostly cosmetic nits. If it is alright with you, I'll make a few changes and send a link for review. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 08:04:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E101106566B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEC98FC14; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@benji.nitro.dk) Received: from benji.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.39]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A6D2D484B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by benji.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 2000) id DF0C6FCE8; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:04:25 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20090720080425.GA1303@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <20090720042340.GK40521@valentine.liquidneon.com> <2a7894eb0907192223m57be958dw68969f4379d88fe0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0907192223m57be958dw68969f4379d88fe0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD doc list , Brad Davis Subject: Re: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:27 -0000 [hubs CC removed] On 2009.07.19 22:23:59 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Brad Davis wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 03:20:53PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > >> On 2009.07.18 23:25:35 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > >> > None of the five sources of anonymous CVS access to FreeBSD supports > >> > the doc repository.  Is it possible for someone to host an anonymous > >> > CVS server for the doc ("dcvs") repository? > >> > > >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/anoncvs.html > >> > >> brd@ has at least in the past run an anonymous CVS server - I'm not > >> sure what the state of that is? Brad? > > > > Err.. I'm quite confused.. I run anoncvs1.f.o and it has always hosted > > the docs repo: > > > > 22:22:05 brd@penelope:~> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs1.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs co doc/ > > cvs checkout: Updating doc > > U doc/Makefile [...] > I was thrown by the ncvs path.. I expected that to be at /home/dcvs for docs. Perhaps we should add a short note to the handbook's anoncvs section? While it does say ncvs for all mirrors, I certainly find it likely that other (committers?) could make the same dcvs mistake. -- Simon L. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 11:06:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DE106566B for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287D88FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6KB67Xe001281 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:07 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6KB66An001277 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:06 GMT Message-Id: <200907201106.n6KB66An001277@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:06:07 -0000 (Note: an HTML version of this report is available at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=doc .) The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/136918 doc [patch] grammar fixes to locking.9 o docs/136712 doc [handbook] [patch] draft new section on gmirror per pa o docs/136666 doc [handbook] Configure serial port for remote kernel deb o docs/136219 doc gnop(8) manual page bug o docs/136100 doc change FreeBSD Ports distfiles survey's url to portsco p docs/136061 doc grammar nits in ipfw.8 o docs/136035 doc ftpchroot(5) omits an important option o docs/136029 doc MALLOC_PRODUCTION knob should be mentioned somewhere, o docs/135999 doc Netgear GS105v3 should be added to list of switches th o docs/135983 doc "The Z File System" - title is misleading and causes s o docs/135676 doc FAQ About The FreeBSD Mailing Lists doesn't mention ma o docs/135520 doc [patch] typos in fail(9) o docs/135516 doc pax(1) manual not mentioning chflags unawareness o docs/135475 doc [patch] jot(1) manpage and behaviour differ o docs/135165 doc [patch] make(1) fixes: punctuation, typos, tweaks o docs/134376 doc pthread(3): pthread manpages don't mention that PTHREA o docs/134226 doc /usr/share/examples/ftpd/ftpd.conf does not exist. o docs/134222 doc installation failure of japanese docs o docs/134127 doc [patch] ip6(4) manual does not contain proper referenc o docs/134123 doc The RUNQUEUE(9) man page is out of date o docs/134074 doc [patch] locking.9 man page slight enhancements o docs/133765 doc setfib(2) man page section o docs/133567 doc [patch] doc/Makefile switch to csup o docs/133245 doc french handbook 27.3.5 amd.map amd.conf o docs/133228 doc handbook 23.3.5 screenmap section is confusing o docs/133186 doc powerd(8) man page errors o docs/133118 doc [patch] Error in getopt (1) manual EXAMPLES section o docs/132959 doc description mismatches on xterm/termcap, fortune/freeb o docs/132884 doc [request] No manpage for SYSINIT and SYSUNINIT o docs/132839 doc [patch] Fix example script in ldap-auth article o docs/132718 doc [handbook] Information about adding a new mirror is ou o docs/132525 doc [PATCH] Fix documentation for atapicam(4) and umass(4) o docs/132311 doc [patch] man5/nsmb.conf.5 o docs/132260 doc dhcpd(8) pid not stored in documented location o docs/132193 doc [patch] description in the malo(4) manpage incorrect o docs/132190 doc EPERM explanation for send(2), sendto(2), and sendmsg( o docs/132113 doc [handbook] Update handbook jails creation o docs/131918 doc [patch] Fixes for the BPF(4) man page o docs/131684 doc [patch] articles/linux-comparison: replace Addenda by o docs/131590 doc [patch] whitespace-only change of developers-handbook/ o docs/131562 doc [patch] groff(1): don't corrupt man pages by replacing o docs/130895 doc No man page installed for padlock(4) on amd64 sytstem o docs/130742 doc [patch] articles/geom-class: russian translation is mi o docs/130530 doc atacontrol(8) does not mention SATA300 mode (or SATA15 o docs/130364 doc Man page for top needs explanation of CPU states o docs/130238 doc nfs.lockd man page doesn't mention NFSLOCKD option or o docs/129671 doc New TCP chapter for Developer's Handbook (from rwatson o docs/129196 doc Inconsistent errno in strtol() o docs/129095 doc ipfw(8): Can not check that packet originating/destine o docs/128524 doc No geom documentation for loading gjournal(8) o docs/128356 doc [request] add Firefox plugin for FreeBSD manual pages o docs/127908 doc [patch] readdir(3) error documentation s docs/127844 doc Example code skeleton_capture_n.c in meteor(4) manpage o docs/126590 doc [patch] Write routine called forever in Sample Echo Ps o docs/126484 doc libc function res-zonscut2 is not documented o docs/125921 doc lpd(8) talks about blocks in minfree while it is KB in o docs/125751 doc man 3 pthread_getschedparam section ERRORS incomplete f docs/122052 doc minor update on handbook section 20.7.1 o docs/121952 doc Handbook chapter on Network Address Translation wrong o docs/121871 doc ftpd does not interpret configuration files as documen o docs/121585 doc [handbook] Wrong multicast specification o docs/121565 doc dhcp-options(5) manpage incorrectly formatted omitting s docs/121541 doc [request] no man pages for wlan_scan_ap o bin/121424 doc [patch] [ipfw] Rectify ambiguous English in manual o docs/121312 doc RELNOTES_LANG breaks release if not en_US.ISO8859-1 o docs/121173 doc [patch] mq_getattr(2): mq_flags mistakenly described a s docs/120917 doc [request]: Man pages mising for thr_xxx syscalls o docs/120539 doc Inconsistent ipfw's man page o docs/120456 doc ath(4) needs to specify requirement on wlan_scan_sta o docs/120125 doc [patch] Installing FreeBSD 7.0 via serial console and o docs/120024 doc resolver(5) and hosts(5) need updated for IPv6 o docs/119545 doc books/arch-handbook/usb/chapter.sgml formatting a docs/119536 doc a few typos in French handbook (basics) o docs/118902 doc [patch] wrong signatures in d2i_RSAPublicKey man pages o docs/118332 doc man page for top does not describe STATE column wait e o docs/118214 doc close(2) error returns incomplete o docs/118020 doc ipfilter(4): man pages query for man 4 ipfilter return o docs/117747 doc 'break' system call needs a man page o docs/116480 doc sysctl(3) description of kern.file no longer applies s o docs/116116 doc mktemp (3) re/move note o docs/115065 doc [patch] sync ps.1 with p_flag and keywords o docs/114371 doc [patch] [ip6] rtadvd.con(5) should show how to adverti o docs/114184 doc [patch] [ndis]: add info to man 4 ndis o docs/114139 doc mbuf(9) has misleading comments on M_DONTWAIT and M_TR o docs/113194 doc [patch] [request] crontab.5: handling of day-in-month o docs/112804 doc groff(1) command should be called to explicitly use "p o docs/112682 doc Handbook GEOM_GPT explanation does not provide accurat o docs/111425 doc Missing chunks of text in historical manpages o docs/111265 doc [request] Clarify how to set common shell variables o docs/111147 doc hostapd.conf is not documented o docs/110999 doc carp(4) should document unsupported interface types o docs/110692 doc wi(4) man page doesn't say WPA is not supported o docs/110376 doc [patch] add some more explanations for the iwi/ipw fir o docs/110253 doc [patch] rtprio(1): remove processing starvation commen o docs/110062 doc [patch] mount_nfs(8) fails to mention a failure condit o docs/110061 doc [patch] tuning(7) missing reference to vfs.read_max o docs/109981 doc No manual entry for post-grohtml o docs/109977 doc No manual entry for ksu o docs/109973 doc No manual entry for c++filt o docs/109972 doc No manual entry for zless/bzless f docs/109226 doc [request] No manual entry for sntp o docs/109201 doc [request]: manual for callbootd a docs/108980 doc list of missing man pages o docs/108101 doc /boot/default/loader.conf contains an incorrect commen o docs/106135 doc [request] articles/vinum needs to be updated o docs/105608 doc fdc(4) debugging description staled o docs/104879 doc Howto: Listen to IMA ADPCM .wav files on FreeBSD box o docs/102719 doc [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos o docs/101464 doc sync ru_RU.KOI8-R/articles/portbuild/article.html with o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/98759 doc [patch] sbp_targ(4) man page missing reference to devi o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/91174 doc [REQUEST] Handbook: Addition of Oracle 9i installation o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/86342 doc bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong o docs/85128 doc [patch] loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly desc o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84271 doc [patch] compress(1) doesn't warn about nasty link hand o docs/83820 doc getino(3) manpage not installed o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/63570 doc [patch] Language cleanup for the Handbook's DNS sectio o docs/61605 doc [request] Improve documentation for i386 disk geometry o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour s docs/54752 doc bus_dma explained in ISA section in Handbook: should b o docs/53751 doc bus_dma(9) incorrectly documents BUS_DMA_ALLOCNOW o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page o docs/53271 doc bus_dma(9) fails to document alignment restrictions o docs/50211 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/48101 doc [patch] add documentation on the fixit disk to the FAQ o docs/43823 doc [patch] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to existing examples s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc 156 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 20 07:23:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D051065673; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loader@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E538FC18; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loader@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (loader@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6K7NjZS001638; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:45 GMT (envelope-from loader@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from loader@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n6K7Nh6p001637; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:43 GMT (envelope-from loader) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:43 GMT Message-Id: <200907200723.n6K7Nh6p001637@freefall.freebsd.org> From: loader To: Gabor PALI References: <4A5C5F13.7030607@FreeBSD.org> <4A5D5ED7.5000101@freebsd.org> <20090717215636.GA1141@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A61733D.9010702@FreeBSD.org> <4A62D333.9090203@otenet.gr> <20090719113438.07c05110.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20090719164310.GD1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <4A6353CE.7060403@FreeBSD.org> <685a6ef80907191045p49fdbe1fm6f7697388b7fa3bd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <685a6ef80907191045p49fdbe1fm6f7697388b7fa3bd@mail.gmail.com> (Gabor PALI's message of "Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:45:57 +0200") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:11:26 +0000 Cc: Tom Rhodes , doc@FreeBSD.org, daichi@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org, rene@FreeBSD.org, Manolis Kiagias Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add a VirtualBox section to Handbook's 'Virtualization' chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:23:45 -0000 Gabor PALI wrote: > Hey Manolis, > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> I will start writing a section on qemu. > > For your information, there is a PR [1] about adding a section on qemu > to the Handbook. You should contact its responsible (loader@, CCed, > just for sure), because he might have something on the topic. > > Hope that helps, > :g > > [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/127923 Hi, Juergen Lock sent me a patch about Qemu, maybe we can commit it and continue working this one? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-doc/2008-December/015248.html Regards, loader From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 21 01:47:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DD1106564A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f224.google.com (mail-bw0-f224.google.com [209.85.218.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378868FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz24 with SMTP id 24so76006bwz.43 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:47:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mIrOOgYsdKSWYIviSfKAnHJ3Ur+5yRV9ov94up2eKYQ=; b=rMLwBRjgZ7UX2VCWjeB1XNQDoMXL8ZJ+t7Np3BEV+F539MHLIjDnelfuypQJDLaQeI tmCHfsFijl3uNlxfaH1BE4N/ysrgrnOqHlNvVDvAT34OQHbPL2O2TmaWKUoopRi9zL5b OhDLzLo5OStWO8PImwwtU4qpPOJJXx7DiD6N4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=uQaDF1Ktlt1qaavJgZ+JLHJBH1AMnFnVgnp4fzKq+yMmAL+8OksphZ/ayivQKJSMXU hglGjOXDDhqN6vTgZb7N6B9s561WB18fSRRw+SAzL6j9bDggg0hZTZycir1GZVqOXt/r wa2K3gzJxvP8jlKeITvaPT9t3A3zu5Gwqq6/0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.7 with SMTP id r7mr1656795fao.8.1248140821976; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310907201847w15ceb0hce73bc4de9de0f0b@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Handbook - What's Missing? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:58:16 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > Hi folks, > > Short of PRs and list posts, is there a central location to find > documentation that may be missing (or may need updating) for the > transition to the 8.X branch? > > None I am aware of. The major enhancements are always in the release announcement, though not all of these call for a handbook section (and there are other more subtle changes that may need existing sections to be modified). Most of the time the changes in the Handbook are introduced when someone notices the difference and submits a question, PR or a patch. Sometimes even seemingly 'random' events contribute to this. As an example, some debug messages concerning the new ufsid labels were inadvertently left in the kernel of 7.2-RELEASE. I would have never noticed this otherwise (how often do you go searching in /dev?) but it resulted in the update of this section: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-glabel.html (see final paragraphs below the example) If you have a good idea of what is in the Handbook, you can probably find some sections that need to be updated by using the betas. For example, trying out 8.0-BETA1 I was surprised that I could not configure my wireless card like I always did. Then I found out about the new virtual wifi and the changes needed in ifconfig etc. These will definitely need to be documented in the Handbook. 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From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 22 19:47:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC501106566B; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6EE8FC19; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lwhsu.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so225915qwe.7 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:47:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gHtWeHvWsGPt7BV3nO2P2krKBWKPeAZ6TzIOuAKFChI=; b=YmsYh9soRM/5oBD1O7Ib9Vx1D3p2FwBiWG69MHoLi0ZVUpgR6zdJ0h6urG7T2Nae79 8nUlUkU/ZviQNBe+qo5zqKB47YXgoJUNNPMTOzD+MaksdmkYo4uew2vDQDjBA/CrDrto Lm71cpv38vFmhb3eCR7MIA7OO5pNteSr5voYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=mj/4fOyo3bDrhNw85Q5tjPt/LZZjj5aYcdYRDcYEDE9vP596t/yUoo4gFL1qCvxcqZ LaQzbJM7YM02CmGNEfUaANINZgfsBBDXDlheMnraOFWr2vP9bUMmDh8C9UylZADg3SHU 1c5oCSUv/YreZeyidjwKI6z4TIXzbPEx0IB1A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lwhsu.freebsd@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.99.208 with SMTP id v16mr261845qcn.75.1248290572277; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:22:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0907192223m57be958dw68969f4379d88fe0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a7894eb0907182325p54242ed4v5d486330c301d388@mail.gmail.com> <20090719132053.GB1164@arthur.nitro.dk> <20090720042340.GK40521@valentine.liquidneon.com> <2a7894eb0907192223m57be958dw68969f4379d88fe0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:22:52 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 42e58afc268b74f8 Message-ID: <1e39c0a90907221222h71d93eb9qfc9cda6535f1765a@mail.gmail.com> From: Li-Wen Hsu To: FreeBSD doc list , hubs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: No anonymous CVS repositories for docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:47:56 -0000 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 13:23, Murray Stokely wrote: > I was thrown by the ncvs path.. =C2=A0I expected that to be at /home/dcvs= for docs. > anoncvs.tw.freebsd.org now servers /home/pcvs and /home/dcvs. They are only symbolic links, but possibly have some help. Maybe update the documents? --=20 Li-Wen Hsu http://lwhsu.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 23 10:59:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43751065672 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from no-reply@cultureunplugged.com) Received: from smtp.transforme.com (smtp.transforme.com [209.237.45.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAE18FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from no-reply@cultureunplugged.com) Received: from www.cultureunplugged.com (ec2-75-101-143-252.compute-1.amazonaws.com [75.101.143.252]) by smtp.transforme.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7E816880FD for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.cultureunplugged.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.cultureunplugged.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E29A18C9 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:39:22 -0400 To: doc@freebsd.org From: Culture Unplugged Message-ID: <85e8bf3acc3e4ff9bdc87dd0ebd9861e@www.cultureunplugged.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer (phpmailer.sourceforge.net) [version 2.0.0 rc1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: Subject: Your friend shared a movie with you X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:59:03 -0000 Your friend wants to share a movie with you. http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/1813 Thanks! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 23 14:36:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECC4106566B for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com (mail-bw0-f219.google.com [209.85.218.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFF28FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so832402bwz.43 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kq5+qkssl9KNGrzVOSLLDI/eu0Bol7wEUFIT3TcZu2Q=; b=BZU8kmJrPc1o3EzNmA+RIREp4+cEwYKHEiqFuF4YhuGBafNOxaH6ZG3KBU3UIp8NyU tJi5uChC3lBQWfW2yeteSuzxMuA/JInA+bnSfqTqp/hONlRVZ7bMp4eDtCr8yG1+SfT1 3N8nDJEKUfyuTHHMMZlziS2k9W447Pioxq3iY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kAiLx0Xpkx5+P1BxqaJ90F+6+kVk5k2wlCKHLCsbhgqqidvVeeYHq4RN78ANzU1ShX Zzn6nhDi/+Mpvg2MoGa6/xnh5/tjuV0bsFcLukfcF1tjeFTacPqKIfrEabcnCCIkRa2Y xnVOY9aBRdgVttmqpYBVq+V8QqOj5V5uV5CCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.69 with SMTP id b5mr1124095fas.107.1248359765406; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A66B882.70204@gmail.com> References: <4ad871310907201847w15ceb0hce73bc4de9de0f0b@mail.gmail.com> <4A66B882.70204@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:36:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310907230736t29257c96v5f7230bcdf3a4089@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook - What's Missing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:36:07 -0000 Hi, Manolis On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:58 AM, Manolis Kiagias wro= te: > Glen Barber wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> Short of PRs and list posts, is there a central location to find >> documentation that may be missing (or may need updating) for the >> transition to the 8.X branch? >> >> > None I am aware of. =A0The major enhancements are always in the release > announcement, though not all of these call for a handbook section (and > there are other more subtle changes that may need existing sections to > be modified). > That's what I had assumed, but I wanted to check if there was an external resource (similar to the LOR reporting site). I wanted to be sure I didn't miss it somewhere in my searching. [snip] > (how often do you go searching in /dev?) but it resulted in the update Too often. More than anyone probably should. :) > > If you have a good idea of what is in the Handbook, you can probably > find some sections that need to be updated by using the betas. =A0For > example, trying out 8.0-BETA1 I was surprised that I could not configure > my wireless card like I always did. Then I found out about the new > virtual wifi and the changes needed in ifconfig etc. These will > definitely need to be documented in the Handbook. > > A very good page to start looking is Ivan Voras' "What's cooking for > FreeBSD 8?" > > http://ivoras.sharanet.org/freebsd/freebsd8.html > > Yes, I've seen his "What's cooking" stuff before. Very good stuff. Thanks for the reply. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 25 09:05:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2381065670 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (ns0.blackend.org [82.227.222.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8588FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n6P95OvJ024603; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id n6P95Ows024602; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:24 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090725090524.GB11455@abigail.blackend.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, re@abigail.blackend.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM" Content-Disposition: inline X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: re@abigail.blackend.org Subject: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 8.0R begins on 15 August, 2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:30 -0000 --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The doc slush for the 8.0-RELEASE will begin on 15 August, 2009. The purpose of the doc slush is to slow down the rate of change in that tree in order to allow the translation teams time to finalize their work and to avoid last-minute breakage for the 8.0-RELEASE. As usual, this is not a real freeze and requires no formal commit approval procedure for your commit, but you are kindly requested not to commit large, structural changes during that period. Tagging of the doc tree is scheduled to take place on 22 August, 2009. Thank you for your cooperation and keep up the good work! --=20 Marc --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFKasrSzQ9RwE+OdOgRAs6FAJ4ybTdzg8s44c2u1CefKrBS2ZzVpwCg2tUH uljFsu89mTOoH6eSoqt62KI= =DAOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 25 09:05:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5FA1065687 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (ns0.blackend.org [82.227.222.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2348FC20 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n6P95fLP024633; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id n6P95fW2024632; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:05:41 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090725090524.GB11455@abigail.blackend.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, re@abigail.blackend.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: re@abigail.blackend.org Subject: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 8.0R begins on 15 August, 2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:05:46 -0000 --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The doc slush for the 8.0-RELEASE will begin on 15 August, 2009. The purpose of the doc slush is to slow down the rate of change in that tree in order to allow the translation teams time to finalize their work and to avoid last-minute breakage for the 8.0-RELEASE. As usual, this is not a real freeze and requires no formal commit approval procedure for your commit, but you are kindly requested not to commit large, structural changes during that period. Tagging of the doc tree is scheduled to take place on 22 August, 2009. 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