From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 03:22:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C191065670 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from migieger@bawue.de) Received: from relay01.mx.bawue.net (relay01.mx.bawue.net [193.7.176.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF1E8FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from migieger@bawue.de) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (unknown [118.33.29.119]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: migieger) by relay01.mx.bawue.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B19B481B8 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:52:28 +0100 (CET) From: "M. Giegerich" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <495FF226.6060906@73rus.com> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> <495FF226.6060906@73rus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:52:18 +0900 Message-Id: <1231037538.1547.10.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: migieger@bawue.de List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:22:24 -0000 On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 15:17 -0800, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Eirik Øverby wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to > >>>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone > >>>> share their experiences with this one? > >>> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... > >>> > >> > >> I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? > > > > What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not > > software-raid cards like that Promise. > > I don't need RAID, I just need an eSATA jack. Wouldn't drives connected via eSata saturate the PCI bus? OTOH for backup purposes that might be negletable... (I'm looking too for something to replace my SLR tapes. Hard drives today are much less expensive, faster (?) and reliable as much (?) as any tape). So yes, I would be also interested to hear about experiences with this or other eSATA controllers under 6-STABLE... Michael From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 03:44:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183D4106564A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D830E8FC0C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 03:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-73-179-34.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.73.179.34]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0KCX00LBUGCOQ830@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:29:15 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:29:10 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> To: Vlad Skvortsov Message-id: <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081222) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:44:17 -0000 Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to use > for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone share > their experiences with this one? > > Also, the box is a pretty old hardware; pardon my ignorance, what > should I check to see if the PCI bus will accomomdate the card? The > card description[1] mentions: > > # PCI 33/66MHz bus supports up to 266MB/sec burst data transfer rate > (PCI 66MHz) > # PCI 2.3 compliant > > Thanks! > > [1]: > http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=168 > > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine onwards should be ok). The physical slot can be either a 32 or 64 bit one (if the latter the card only occupies the 1st half of it) - i.e any PCI slot. Having said that, Promise support in Freebsd is a little variable - I have not tried the later cards, but had no joy with a TX4000 in a Supermicro P3TDER, whereas a 3Ware 7506 worked no trouble at all. I would recommend getting a 3Ware SATA card (also they typically are a better card than the corresponding Promise). regards Mark From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 05:30:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B461065676 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-207-61.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC498FC17 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: by sopwith.solgatos.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 6D22AB64F; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 05:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id RAA13680; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 17:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <200901041721.RAA13680@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:52:18 +0900." <1231037538.1547.10.camel@localhost> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:21:36 +0000 From: Dieter Subject: Re: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:30:36 -0000 > > >>>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to > > >>>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone > > >>>> share their experiences with this one? > > >>> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... > > >>> > > >> > > >> I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? > > > > > > What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not > > > software-raid cards like that Promise. > > > > I don't need RAID, I just need an eSATA jack. > > Wouldn't drives connected via eSata saturate the PCI bus? Assuming the controller is fast enough: 1 SATA drive could saturate a PCI bus for short periods. 2 recent SATA drives could saturate a PCI bus sustained. If the machine doesn't have a PCIe slot available, what choice do you have? The main problem I see is if the machine is recording data coming in on the PCI bus in real time I'd worry about losing data. The Voltages are supposed to be a tad higher for eSATA, the official eSATA connector is different, and eSATA cables have more shielding. There are brackets that convert a SATA port to an eSATA port, if the case has a spare bracket-hole. Which probably means using up a slot. :-( Some cards with external ports use the internal SATA connector rather than the eSATA connector. Same for the convertor brackets. They make cables with one of each connector if you need that. There are cards with both internal and external ports and jumpers to route the signals to the desired port. For an inexpensive non-hardware-raid SATA PCI card I would look into the Sil 3124. 4 ports, 2nd generation, supposed to be faster and better than the 1st gen Sil controllers. See if someone has experience with it with FreeBSD. I have a 1st gen 3512 that works well with NetBSD, but some say the 1st gen Sil controllers don't work well with FreeBSD, and they might be leery of even the 2nd gen chips. The 3512 is too slow to saturate the PCI bus. For inexpensive non-hardware-raid SATA PCIe, there is the Sil 3132 with 2 ports, and the JMicron JMB363 with 2 SATA ports plus 1 PATA channel. I have the JMB363 with FreeBSD 7.0, it can do over 100 MB/s with recent drives. Has anyone found an inexpensive PCIe card with more than 2 SATA ports? Alternately, does FreeBSD support port multipliers yet? Or NCQ? From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 6 20:10:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE0E106566C for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Received: from tail.lionet.info (tail.lionet.info [216.218.215.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32CC8FC12 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Received: from [10.72.109.162] (nat-dip4.fw.corp.yahoo.com [209.131.62.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by tail.lionet.info (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n06KAWkr084089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vss@73rus.com) Message-ID: <4963BAB8.2040808@73rus.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:10:32 -0800 From: Vlad Skvortsov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kirkwood References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (tail.lionet.info [216.218.215.226]); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:10:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:10:34 -0000 Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Vlad Skvortsov wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to >> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone >> share their experiences with this one? >> >> Also, the box is a pretty old hardware; pardon my ignorance, what >> should I check to see if the PCI bus will accomomdate the card? The >> card description[1] mentions: >> >> # PCI 33/66MHz bus supports up to 266MB/sec burst data transfer rate >> (PCI 66MHz) >> # PCI 2.3 compliant >> >> Thanks! >> >> [1]: >> http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=168 >> >> > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the > manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). > Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine > onwards should be ok). Thanks Mark -- that's exactly what I was asking for :-) Is there a way to check this without physical access to the box? dmesg doesn't seem to contain this info; pciconf is hot helpful as well. > > The physical slot can be either a 32 or 64 bit one (if the latter the > card only occupies the 1st half of it) - i.e any PCI slot. > > Having said that, Promise support in Freebsd is a little variable - I > have not tried the later cards, but had no joy with a TX4000 in a > Supermicro P3TDER, whereas a 3Ware 7506 worked no trouble at all. I > would recommend getting a 3Ware SATA card (also they typically are a > better card than the corresponding Promise). Hmm, that's too pricey for me ($250+ range); I was looking for something < $100 and without RAID. It seems that people have no experience with this particular card though, so I'll start another thread to find out what other options exist. -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 05:13:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9209106564A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-207-61.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4AE8FC1A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:13:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: by sopwith.solgatos.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 1CC9BB651; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id VAA16468; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:35:09 GMT Message-Id: <200901062135.VAA16468@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:10:32 PST." <4963BAB8.2040808@73rus.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:35:09 +0000 From: Dieter Subject: Re: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:13:18 -0000 > > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the > > manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). > > Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine > > onwards should be ok). > > Thanks Mark -- that's exactly what I was asking for :-) > > Is there a way to check this without physical access to the box? dmesg > doesn't seem to contain this info; pciconf is hot helpful as well. If you know the make and model of the mainboard you could see if the specifications are online. Try the manufacturer's web site, or ask yahoo/google/... If the card you select isn't universal Voltage, you'll need to know if the slot is 5 Volt or 3.3 Volt. The keying is supposed to tell you, but some mainboards have a jumper to select the PCI Voltage, and I don't think moving the jumper changes the keying. :-) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 11:14:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4AB1065670 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirill@problemam-net.ru) Received: from mail.problemam-net.ru (pool-62-46.ptcomm.ru [85.234.62.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA1B8FC1C for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:14:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirill@problemam-net.ru) Received: from [10.0.0.248] (port=55275 helo=home) by mail.problemam-net.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LKVpZ-0009JK-Ku for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:40:15 +0300 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:44:37 +0300 From: Kirill To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-ACL-Warn: SPAM : -13 X-Spam-Scanned: Yes X-Spam-Scanner: Antispam Subject: age problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:14:36 -0000 Hello, i have some problems with age: FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? 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From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 01:11:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5E1106564A; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [213.133.54.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00678FC1B; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 203-206-171-212.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.206.171.212] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LKiqN-000LWW-Me; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:34:09 +1000 Message-ID: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:33:29 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A849C.7030009@dannysplace.net> <20081031043412.GA22289@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-01-08 10:33:52 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:1690 X-Message-Linecount: 80 X-Body-Linecount: 66 X-Message-Size: 3713 X-Body-Size: 2768 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 3 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 3 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: koitsu@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:11:02 -0000 I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests and a set of 12-disk tests. I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard controller and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. You can see the results here: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm An explanation of each of the tests: ICH9_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with onboard SATA ports. ARECAJBOD_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in JBOD mode. ARECAJBOD_ZFS_NoWriteCache 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in JBOD mode and with disk caches disabled. ARECARAID 5 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECAPASSTHRU 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in Passthru mode. This means that the onboard areca cache is active. ARECARAID-UFS2 5 disk ufs2 single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECARAID-BIG 12 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECAPASSTHRU_12 12 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in Passthru mode. This means that the onboard areca cache is active. I'll probably be opting for the ARECAPASSTHRU_12 configuration. Mainly because I do not need amazing read speeds (network port would be saturated anyway) and I think that the raidz implementation would be more fault tolerant. By that I mean if you have a disk read error during a rebuild then as I understand it, raidz will write off that block (and hopefully tell me about dead files) but continue with the rest of the rebuild. This is something I'd love to test for real, just to see what happens. But I am not sure how I could do that. Perhaps removing one drive, then a few random writes to a remaining disk (or two) and seeing how it goes with a rebuild. Something else worth mentioning. When I converted from JBOD to passthrough, I was able to re-import the disks without any problems. This must mean that the areca passthrough option does not alter the disk much, perhaps not at all. After a 21 hour rebuild I have to say I am not that keen to do more of these tests, but if there is something someone wants to see, then I'll definitely consider it. One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical (very slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar results. -D From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 01:30:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22F3106566B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from programadorlinux@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC3C8FC1C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:29:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from programadorlinux@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so5787109fkk.11 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; 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<20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: age problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:55:50 -0000 On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:44:37PM +0300, Kirill wrote: > Hello, i have some problems with age: > FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? > > How can i fix this? > I also remember some users reported this before and I guess the issue is related with power-saving feature of controller. Unfortunately there is no known solution yet. Unplug power cord from the system and waiting 5-10 min seems to help. Also make sure plug UTP cable prior to booting system. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 08:01:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18F7106566C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f11.google.com (mail-gx0-f11.google.com [209.85.217.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E088FC13 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so743629gxk.19 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:01:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=a+An8lw3ZcZx8cmBCEOL95JBKIi1YrVNB723Yfk9myo=; b=Cs0LaCYMu4ht3E5nVFFX4OJBMgGihBVooHp0n7Ile2mewQ8Nbut/dDMQnZtOK/2L8K TTc7gj6IxZt8i4LaDOIux/GXedhrmFM6TG4O5P14q0DTXR6AetzCE1JBMrkUgKf442GS 10pcYtV/G1WhI4naJf17OBL1IrMqew6s1r2nY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=l9eNGqqIQ1ZQvP+U0XAOdAHgkR5ZhT6erRPNb2QXuCbTaJjNGiq2MMWlV1qcaoLDCl 5wKs0uPRuxBQRmqppvlVYZFhHm3JIB4gQ6RPnN9psTFX7YTmHd/jtw68zON98Mm1AziQ roSwkL0ErIMSiYw4w0JqOgT1Yv+rddw7HpCm0= Received: by 10.150.177.20 with SMTP id z20mr1497817ybe.89.1231400436677; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.132.5 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:40:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40901072340u1dd514b4x21506d4ca491ff6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 02:40:36 -0500 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:01:45 -0000 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Danny Carroll wrote: > I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. > I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests > and a set of 12-disk tests. > > I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard controller > and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to > see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. > > I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. > > You can see the results here: > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > ... been a long time since I've seen someone link stuff on this list that won't shot in Firefox. Pretty sad that it's just a table of values that would be just as well presented as text. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 08:13:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2F110656C0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f20.google.com (mail-bw0-f20.google.com [209.85.218.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53B48FC1A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:13:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so355477bwz.19 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:13:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=47Cgxh67xr351wKdymHuwkVoxum4jzShpVAQkq8YnbI=; b=hD0AuexoGEirHbdGS3DrNXb9VgSMVif9ehuxsygzLCZQxysh02nFhhv9V1LWwRa/mE LKBjTXJdzv2++AUkTMVzG0synsxvXw6vpB7ktlTO4asqEwCGb2JQut49cV2N11ez91mY t9yc6e/Vrm6KAdBTX0FniZzICpvADa0uxvUhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=pF3YSpgyUdnVpm8pcLz1L8G7JMVKy/xtzpwNsEs57gXa12c62sukUCU7grOweq+SHA +DrsehtaGQTxd7CMByCSuA0j1hfgxLXrWZGxvs4GoEK5SGMlbCrEjbwQXHA0V1hm8YeU v2OOU7LyLWl5enbFr1OdKRhtSQgXp+eHNpOn4= Received: by 10.223.114.68 with SMTP id d4mr17236566faq.86.1231400913955; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.108.136 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:48:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:48:33 +0100 From: "Koen Smits" To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:13:31 -0000 > One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk > caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical (very > slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal > cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA > passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar results. > > -D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if you feel like it. -Koen From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 09:47:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE5E106566C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndenev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f33.google.com (mail-bw0-f33.google.com [209.85.218.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EE38FC14 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndenev@gmail.com) Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so6744034bwz.19 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:47:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-pgp-agent:x-mailer; bh=Ny5henz2xXHJNiqfGN23yUDUgqVpw3XgMKlY1205QOU=; b=IqGUJ9MbaCYCV1G5QDPKwW0WF5Onen6zYntHkfTKc4OG9aGf2jbv9wGWzHg/4RMuKZ UZKgDyEpjBDW9ygf6gp7unvMTB5pwBaxQhzwbmxyOxPRYEewYrJMJnYZqs0j31rD5QpU ZOTtS8JkZKUntAZ9SbJ53EwGJtpjTRB5FzSOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-pgp-agent:x-mailer; b=V9oEhxeNv3iOj0r5tzUCiKbnU/fvNYsbeh/6Yj5SCmVZWe8jpYMaqpARKIG3leOFqB NYQJyv2pyZ7PN9gtqnx4iaoyejNDq62e1L8aaH2cMnQ4BnXOQCjkXBFQTAmdReJRgtm8 gm55ylBg/Pxp3HQsIVCA/52oz5N1F8Q7LrZbY= Received: by 10.103.92.10 with SMTP id u10mr8676819mul.22.1231406404220; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ndenev.cmotd.com (blah.sun-fish.com [217.18.249.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9sm50656510muf.51.2009.01.08.01.20.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Nikolay Denev To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:19:59 +0200 References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A849C.7030009@dannysplace.net> <20081031043412.GA22289@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d55 (v55, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:47:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8 Jan, 2009, at 02:33 , Danny Carroll wrote: > I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. > I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests > and a set of 12-disk tests. > > I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard =20 > controller > and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to > see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. > > I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. > > You can see the results here: > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > > An explanation of each of the tests: > ICH9_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with onboard SATA > ports. > ARECAJBOD_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA > ports configured in JBOD mode. > ARECAJBOD_ZFS_NoWriteCache 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA = =09 > ports configured in JBOD mode and with > disk caches disabled. > ARECARAID 5 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECAPASSTHRU 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA = ports > configured in Passthru mode. This > means that the onboard areca cache is > active. > ARECARAID-UFS2 5 disk ufs2 single-disk test = with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECARAID-BIG 12 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECAPASSTHRU_12 12 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA = ports > configured in Passthru mode. This > means that the onboard areca cache is > active. > > > I'll probably be opting for the ARECAPASSTHRU_12 configuration. =20 > Mainly > because I do not need amazing read speeds (network port would be > saturated anyway) and I think that the raidz implementation would be > more fault tolerant. By that I mean if you have a disk read error > during a rebuild then as I understand it, raidz will write off that > block (and hopefully tell me about dead files) but continue with the > rest of the rebuild. > > This is something I'd love to test for real, just to see what happens. > But I am not sure how I could do that. Perhaps removing one drive, =20= > then > a few random writes to a remaining disk (or two) and seeing how it =20 > goes > with a rebuild. > > Something else worth mentioning. When I converted from JBOD to > passthrough, I was able to re-import the disks without any problems. > This must mean that the areca passthrough option does not alter the =20= > disk > much, perhaps not at all. > > After a 21 hour rebuild I have to say I am not that keen to do more of > these tests, but if there is something someone wants to see, then I'll > definitely consider it. > > One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk > caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical =20 > (very > slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal > cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA > passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar =20 > results. > > -D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" There is a big difference betweeen hardware and ZFS raidz with 12 disk =20= on the get_block test, maybe it would be interesting to rerun this test with zfs prefetch =20 disabled? - -- Regards, Nikolay Denev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkllxT8ACgkQHNAJ/fLbfrnHnwCeJ8nSjBY6fc0Lvu2+fSN5E4HI zb0Ani2ZFLdxYCWYBuCnoo+D244O2lg5 =3DEKgi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 09:49:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CA106566C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD5D8FC0C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpagnoni@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so3747033yxb.13 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:49:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nz1x8osncGkXSTVF6n4IcU2dxkj7a/CSXFmv5Y1KzO4=; b=vOF642OcmMcYJkuHzrKSYUD3f9sJ9bEx8VPB813mGJAfYIRwiAqJg52U6k9S9kpTdN iz1ONIEP4aWl5rG9tTCu9r7DD/ol/2UiU6fSkIoIR5DNxhvOaMMerBJA1HlGWU7Kn5mD kloLUZfz19yBQe4rP9FzjDi9QluMxbXoWySSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UB3a3wiVnz1vyybMmmQ/UeujJ5T2mDcGtOkFG1618vH4SU4QuHuB4wKyoNlFHQbYsP fqw5t5+YwLLuhZ2TgX+zOPVzC+kx7wfCPEKGT8QwFHPASAZtvE930jh0ESub+qktfn7P 0lYnMMOaaqbQifPTQMYH7FC3dIoP4sfA33cXs= Received: by 10.65.147.2 with SMTP id z2mr2085826qbn.116.1231406676133; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.137.10 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 01:24:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:24:35 +0100 From: "Giuseppe Pagnoni" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:49:09 -0000 Dear all, although I posted a previous email to the list about this issue some months ago, I thought I would check again to see whether anything has changed with the 7.1 release. I have an LG cd/dvd combo (model GH22LP20) that attaches to the PATA(/IDE) connector of an Asus P5Q Pro motherboard. The specs for the motherboard are the following: N=B0 sockets (max memory): 4xDDR2 (max 8GB) Chipset: Intel P45 (LGA775 platform)+ ICH10R Sound Card: Realtek ALC1200 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio SATA support, N=B0 connectors: 8x SATA2, 1x PATA LAN: Atheros AR8121 10/100/1000 Mb/s RAID: 0,1,0+1,5 Connectors: * 2 slots for PCI Express 16x 2.0 * 3 slots PCI Express x1 * 2 slots PCI 2.2 * 12 x USB * 2 x Firewire The PATA-133/IDE interface is implemented via an additional Marvell 88SE6111 controller (SATA is driven via ICH10R). My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. In the previous post Jeremy Chadwick kindly pointed out that the Marvell 88SE6111controller may not be supported by FreeBSD. I was wondering if this is still the case with the 7.1 Release and whether somebody could suggest a workaround that does not involve replacing the drive (e.g., is it possible to use some sort of converter cable from SATA to PATA? I apologize if this is complete nonsense, but I know virtually nothing about buses and connector types). By the way, if this may be of interest to other users, the Atheros onboard NIC appears to work fine with the driver "ale" (disabled by default in the GENERIC kernel), and sound works too with the kernel module snd_hda. thanks in advance for any suggestion very best giuseppe From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 17:24:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D8E1065745 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmueller@sysgo.com) Received: from mail.sysgo.com (mail.sysgo.com [62.8.134.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023628FC1E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmueller@sysgo.com) Received: from donald.sysgo.com (unknown [172.20.1.30]) by mail.sysgo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A225F60026; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:56:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from tom.ulm.sysgo.com (tom.ulm.sysgo.com [172.30.3.10]) by donald.sysgo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B4B364001; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:56:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:55:54 +0100 From: Thomas Mueller To: "Giuseppe Pagnoni" Message-ID: <20090108175554.4ef37080@tom.ulm.sysgo.com> In-Reply-To: <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> References: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SYSGO AG X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:24:53 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:24:35 +0100, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > I have an LG cd/dvd combo (model GH22LP20) that attaches to the > PATA(/IDE) connector of an Asus P5Q Pro motherboard. The specs for > the motherboard are the following: > [...] > My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it > is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. FWIW, I'm seeing the same behaviour with 7.1-SATBLE with a GH22NP20 connected to the PATA port of a MSI-KA780G (AMD SB700). -- Thomas Mueller From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 02:30:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B26106566B; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [213.133.54.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00348FC08; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 02:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 203-206-171-212.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.206.171.212] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LL78U-0005u0-IL; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:30:20 +1000 Message-ID: <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:30:09 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Koen Smits References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-01-09 12:30:11 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:2346 X-Message-Linecount: 37 X-Body-Linecount: 22 X-Message-Size: 1938 X-Body-Size: 909 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: kgysmits@gmail.com, koitsu@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:30:22 -0000 Koen Smits wrote: > My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes > It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if > you feel like it. I've just done this and the results are on the same page: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm The Excel version is here: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.xls It is a major improvement but I do not know 100% for sure if the disks are protected by the write cache/battery backup when in Passthrough mode. When creating a passthrough disk the "Volume Cache Mode" can be set to "Write Back" or "Write Through". This makes me feel as though the cache is being used and that when the cache is used, so is the BBU. But I cannot be 100% sure. I will send an email to Areca support to ask. -D From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 05:06:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E463D106566C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:06:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: from sopwith.solgatos.com (pool-71-117-207-61.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC898FC13 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com) Received: by sopwith.solgatos.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 1FEC6B650; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 04:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by sopwith.solgatos.com (8.8.8/6.24) id SAA10823; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:21:34 GMT Message-Id: <200901081821.SAA10823@sopwith.solgatos.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:24:35 +0100." <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:21:34 +0000 From: Dieter Subject: Re: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:06:44 -0000 > The PATA-133/IDE interface is implemented via an additional Marvell > 88SE6111 controller (SATA is driven via ICH10R). > > My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it > is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. In the previous post Jeremy > Chadwick kindly pointed out that the Marvell 88SE6111controller may > not be supported by FreeBSD. I was wondering if this is still the > case with the 7.1 Release You could try looking at the online ata(4) man page for 7.1 and see if the controller is listed. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi You could see if NetBSD or OpenBSD supports the controller and if so look into porting the support over to FreeBSD. > and whether somebody could suggest a > workaround that does not involve replacing the drive (e.g., is it > possible to use some sort of converter cable from SATA to PATA? I > apologize if this is complete nonsense, but I know virtually nothing > about buses and connector types). They make chips that bridge between SATA and PATA. Chips: JM20330, SIL3611, Marvell 88SA8040 They make small boards with these chips, intended to plug into a drive and then provide the other type connector. Some have mounting holes, so you could use both a SATA and PATA cable and mount the board somewhere. The boards run US$8-30. Make sure the board can operate in the direction you need it to (SATA controller to PATA drive). Some boards have a jumper for this but some don't. Make sure the board has the correct gender PATA connector. The gender of the SATA connector isn't critical. If a normal cable doesn't work you can get a SATA "extension" cable. If you have a free PCIe slot (any size), the JMicron JMB363 provides 2 SATA ports and 1 PATA channel. FreeBSD suports the JMB363. These cards run US$10.50-$14. I'm sure there are a bunch of other PATA controller cards you could use. See the ata(4) man page. There are USB to SATA/PATA bridges available. $15 or so. I'm not fond of these as they tend to be slow, and I haven't found one that allows turning off the disk write cache. For a CD/DVD drive you might not care. There are firewire to PATA bridges available. One of these is buggy, but there might be chips that work properly. There are SCSI to PATA bridges available. If you want to be able to boot from CD/DVD, some of these options might not work, depending on the firmware on your mainboard. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 08:46:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9091065675; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50B18FC0A; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so6149717fkk.11 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:46:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6u/k8u1Jq+vGNREoamDRInJeIkllpxF5NuOZNvGuUjM=; b=krnMLAtzUhv23MqCJ6jZsfALPwdWYGwPcREXWmjnTQXXnV79vuVzMNkrEK7cXrB/Io opxOuRAwaluVvVaLXf+BVvBMdYlFUwao0b35BE3Ek6e6qmMCzvHnXaiTYId8Ww/GDTnA szSxRvn25bFRS55XQvr1LO8o7GSAyTy5rVIaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=D9SCdhdrEksQQzOvGgLWtcN4fpYTaoawHA150GSZiKniFLk72rwitVYUr3ES0Ksr1p r+j7B7dYCtU+jNQYX082u3TMT6XDYe4LK8cYVqcRb/vDeDFHSxdM41xJ/YwXHELKi8YT 1ZdgNPwSGRNdLi9z9KF7DZuQSRkIfhoF8jvN0= Received: by 10.223.111.211 with SMTP id t19mr1365569fap.64.1231490816489; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.108.136 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:46:56 +0100 From: "Koen Smits" To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:46:59 -0000 Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:30, Danny Carroll wrote: > Koen Smits wrote: > > My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: > > > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes > > It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if > > you feel like it. > > I've just done this and the results are on the same page: > > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > The Excel version is here: > > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.xls > > It is a major improvement but I do not know 100% for sure if the disks > are protected by the write cache/battery backup when in Passthrough mode. > > When creating a passthrough disk the "Volume Cache Mode" can be set to > "Write Back" or "Write Through". This makes me feel as though the cache > is being used and that when the cache is used, so is the BBU. But I > cannot be 100% sure. I will send an email to Areca support to ask. > > -D > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 09:02:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8A5106567F; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [213.133.54.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1648FC20; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 60-242-243-193.static.tpgi.com.au ([60.242.243.193] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLDFe-0008F1-MC; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:02:09 +1000 Message-ID: <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:02:26 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Koen Smits References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-01-09 19:01:59 X-Connected-IP: 60.242.243.193:2227 X-Message-Linecount: 30 X-Body-Linecount: 15 X-Message-Size: 1648 X-Body-Size: 591 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 60.242.243.193 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: kgysmits@gmail.com, koitsu@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:02:11 -0000 Koen Smits wrote: > Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) > Those numbers are great, but I would love to know that writes to the disks are also protected by the battery backup. If not then I'll be forced to use either hardware raid5/6 or perhaps some other configuration. Maybe 6 stripe sets in a raidz array? At the end of the day however I really don't care about the performance, even the slowest of the tests I did would be fast enough to saturate a gigabit ethernet port, which is way fast enough for me. But its an interesting set of tests... -D From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 11:19:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18409106566C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40FA8FC08 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so220211rvb.4 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:19:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=iNQbzyyGenk0Jr+7Qz4WwRNe74W1jkDtICg+49DmRVo=; b=AcAiD26M5zcQ0jKWLpiwppgQaSt9IlDuhE/bcqBIXvmU56jFvTiOkeszUwNPPhO3jf v3uqN1sEXpndt3qzzSwVMZbI1PJLcCrKdlAItWOlZKgrm8iE9S0x6w90Xw/3wJCW4Orq zO7GozeYn5IA1O5uB9LmznaShMr/sdmWJih8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ZvjQNTw8zGR+BRb+SbRfe3QiyErD/TayMPRA22/B/gXt1a8sxgONvBh/2l0aTzPned yQZuRIoGkDgkdpC5p6NiPJFQJ1VK41fnb6qatWImtTFBePVd7ha9J3TmV68d/PdRH0B7 /E1ZQxrpARR2KrJ+ippD1N1c0pyeQ+tOqgc2Y= Received: by 10.141.43.19 with SMTP id v19mr12685541rvj.115.1231499967537; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ([211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm2020649rvb.5.2009.01.09.03.19.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n09BJIWZ035773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:19:18 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n09BJF8I035772; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:19:15 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 20:19:15 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Kirill Message-ID: <20090109111915.GH30747@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> <20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: age problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:19:28 -0000 On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 10:35:16AM +0900, To Kirill wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:44:37PM +0300, Kirill wrote: > > Hello, i have some problems with age: > > FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 > > > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? > > > > How can i fix this? > > > > I also remember some users reported this before and I guess the > issue is related with power-saving feature of controller. > Unfortunately there is no known solution yet. Unplug power cord > from the system and waiting 5-10 min seems to help. Also make sure > plug UTP cable prior to booting system. > Would try the following WIP version? http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/age/if_age.c http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/age/if_agereg.h I have no longer access to hardware so I don't know whether it helps or not. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 12:28:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334181065749 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glembono@aggio.com) Received: from e-smarthost.smtp.telkom.net (e-smarthost.smtp.telkom.net [222.124.18.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88048FC20 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glembono@aggio.com) Received: from [125.160.17.195] (helo=front2-smtp.telkom.net) by e-smarthost.smtp.telkom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) id 1LLFoG-0004Aw-3Y for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:45:52 +0700 Received: from [125.160.216.194] (helo=aix.aggio.com) by front2-smtp.telkom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) id 1LLFo7-0000oL-80 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:45:51 +0700 Received: (qmail 16867 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 11:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny-dayss-macpro31.local) (glembono@192.168.1.30) by aix.aggio.com with ESMTPA; 9 Jan 2009 11:39:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49673755.4070209@aggio.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:39:01 +0700 From: Gunawan Lembono User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Macintosh; 2008072018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-admin@ukr.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Ethernet Interfaces NC373i support X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:28:09 -0000 Dear Yuri, I read your port in http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-hardware/200804/msg00030.html regarding bce NC373i. I'm going to buy DELL PowerEdge 2900 III Server and HP ProLiant ML370 G5, which i know using NC373i interface. Did you had experience a problem with FreeBSD 7.0 or 7.1 for this NIC ? Does it works ? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Gunawan From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 15:58:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C6D106568B; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f20.google.com (mail-bw0-f20.google.com [209.85.218.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821C48FC21; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kgysmits@gmail.com) Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so2729134bwz.19 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:58:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pJ00ba9WhUzDMbO3Ud6rEDRlNJ52UsSugL8T/kaDX1M=; b=Icz4MNWP8UxsHDcmBxHqnESoYW+mxDTawHTdA3w71z9yKiwBgTTsHsbiwV7KrUyEFc 6sql94bz1LgdQg7Bmg4gXfdxByZY3BzgtwUNkiAWKyJFmnBZA5yIsHgFwKYmqVkcQKq/ YlmgwQ70JaR9l4f3o/3RmgW/lnXXRCgdJJDGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xKls5E/X4znqcWLq9yuAwW+YzCsQQ6HLwwbKCxHTtHfE7acM5scsAEOsfgEFXB8AsR Jhf0fh5/0Nf+j7u7jCPJKLM+Ue19/6pA5yGZ0RwTiyO+b/fBCoVfkz5uWdmoRqOdgoZ9 3tuxfkBwCfOctT/ohE1ZPyex5zJknV6NQiNl0= Received: by 10.223.113.199 with SMTP id b7mr18664454faq.83.1231516683926; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.108.136 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:58:03 +0100 From: "Koen Smits" To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:58:07 -0000 Please let us know what Areca says about the caching. If you ask me, these results definitely are cached. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:02, Danny Carroll wrote: > Koen Smits wrote: > > Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) > > > > Those numbers are great, but I would love to know that writes to the > disks are also protected by the battery backup. If not then I'll be > forced to use either hardware raid5/6 or perhaps some other > configuration. Maybe 6 stripe sets in a raidz array? > > At the end of the day however I really don't care about the performance, > even the slowest of the tests I did would be fast enough to saturate a > gigabit ethernet port, which is way fast enough for me. But its an > interesting set of tests... > > -D > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 10 04:58:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FE31065670; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [213.133.54.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304598FC14; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 203-206-171-212.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.206.171.212] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLVvr-000Le2-2g; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:58:49 +1000 Message-ID: <49682AEF.8010006@dannysplace.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:58:23 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Koen Smits References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-01-10 14:58:47 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:1143 X-Message-Linecount: 23 X-Body-Linecount: 8 X-Message-Size: 1295 X-Body-Size: 205 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 4 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: kgysmits@gmail.com, koitsu@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:58:51 -0000 Koen Smits wrote: > Please let us know what Areca says about the caching. > If you ask me, these results definitely are cached. > Are yes but are they cached by the OS or by the array controller :-) -D