From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 3 01:36:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD22106566C for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 01:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joejoe@inbsd.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C0A8FC14 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 01:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joejoe@inbsd.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so2080951wfg.7 for ; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr1502524wff.166.1241312791225; Sat, 02 May 2009 18:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is5205joejoe (joejoe.yzu.edu.tw [140.138.32.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm11259933wfg.7.2009.05.02.18.06.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 May 2009 18:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "joejoe" To: , "'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org.'" References: Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:06:26 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnLispjBBO982xGSqO64PJWROP0WgAAG9cA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: SAS HD not detected on LSI SAS1078 (Acer Altos R520) controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 01:36:37 -0000 Hi everyone. I use FreeBSD 7.2 RC and 6.4 Release i386 on Acer Altos R520 with a=20 SAS HD 146G (not use SW Raid) Acer Altos R520 SAS controller is LSI SAS1078 ,=20 I checked the manual which is being supported on 2007 Aug, But I can=E2=80=99t detected on System, I try to replace the use of older versions of the R520(SAS controller is = LSI SAS1068) The SAS HD can detected, I try install system and upgrade to 6.4 Stable and make world and kernel Will swap hd to the new version of the R520(SAS controller is LSI = SAS1078) The SAS HD can=E2=80=99t detected. Anyone who can help ? The following information is to install Vmware ESX when I see the Kernel = Message scsi0 : vsd scsi1 : ata_piix scsi2 : ata_piix scsi3 : mptscsi_2xx Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST9146802SS Rev: 0003 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 VMWARE SCSI Id: Supported VPD pages for sda : 0x0 0x80 0x82 0x83 0xc0 = 0xc1 0xc\ 2 0xc3 0xd1 0xd2 VMWARE SCSI Id: Device id info for sda: 0x1 0x3 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 = 0x0 0xf \ 0x1e 0xf8 0x6f 0x61 0x93 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 0x0 0xf 0x1e 0xf8 0x6d = 0x61 0x9\ 4 0x0 0x4 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x1 0x61 0xa3 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 0x0 0xf 0x1e = 0xf8 0x\ 6c 0x63 0xa8 0x0 0x18 0x6e 0x61 0x61 0x2e 0x35 0x30 0x30 0x30 0x43 0x35 = 0x30 0\ x30 0x30 0x46 0x31 0x45 0x46 0x38 0x36 0x43 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 VMWARE SCSI Id: Id for sda 0x50 0x00 0xc5 0x00 0x0f 0x1e 0xf8 0x6f 0x53 = 0x54 0\ x39 0x31 0x34 0x36 VMWARE: Unique Device attached as scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id = 1, lun 0 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 3 18:40:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A15106564A for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 18:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from server2.hostmailing.com (server2.hostmailing.com [200.110.145.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1528FC08 for ; Sun, 3 May 2009 18:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from web.hostmailing.com ([200.110.145.34] helo=www.hostmailing.com) by server2.hostmailing.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M0fz0-0003Lw-Eo for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:00:10 -0300 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 16:30:13 -0300 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Exemys Message-ID: <9c39b9a8251af878736c72911c017205@www.hostmailing.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: wh4535 [version 3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Ethernet - Internet I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: exemys@exemys.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 18:40:37 -0000 This is a message in multipart MIME format. 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From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 5 03:33:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EBE106564A for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joejoe@inbsd.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D978FC0C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 03:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joejoe@inbsd.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f33so2149141fkf.11 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.213.10 with SMTP id p10mr4099882muq.17.1241494384259; Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is5205joejoe (joejoe.yzu.edu.tw [140.138.32.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm18305527mum.35.2009.05.04.20.33.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "joejoe" To: References: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:32:56 +0800 Message-ID: <6D0CBA234765495AA05161E80D6B48A8@yz.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnLispjBBO982xGSqO64PJWROP0WgAAG9cAAGm4UuA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: SAS HD not detected on LSI SAS1078 (Acer Altos R520) controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 03:33:06 -0000 This information is on 6.4R install cd=20 Dmesg: http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2420/dmesg.jpg pciconf -lv http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4969/pciconf.jpg -----Original Message----- From: joejoe [mailto:joejoe@inbsd.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: 'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'; 'freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org.' Subject: SAS HD not detected on LSI SAS1078 (Acer Altos R520) controller Hi everyone. I use FreeBSD 7.2 RC and 6.4 Release i386 on Acer Altos R520 with a=20 SAS HD 146G (not use SW Raid) Acer Altos R520 SAS controller is LSI SAS1078 ,=20 I checked the manual which is being supported on 2007 Aug, But I can=E2=80=99t detected on System, I try to replace the use of older versions of the R520(SAS controller is = LSI SAS1068) The SAS HD can detected, I try install system and upgrade to 6.4 Stable and make world and kernel Will swap hd to the new version of the R520(SAS controller is LSI = SAS1078) The SAS HD can=E2=80=99t detected. Anyone who can help ? The following information is to install Vmware ESX when I see the Kernel = Message scsi0 : vsd scsi1 : ata_piix scsi2 : ata_piix scsi3 : mptscsi_2xx Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST9146802SS Rev: 0003 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 05 VMWARE SCSI Id: Supported VPD pages for sda : 0x0 0x80 0x82 0x83 0xc0 = 0xc1 0xc\ 2 0xc3 0xd1 0xd2 VMWARE SCSI Id: Device id info for sda: 0x1 0x3 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 = 0x0 0xf \ 0x1e 0xf8 0x6f 0x61 0x93 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 0x0 0xf 0x1e 0xf8 0x6d = 0x61 0x9\ 4 0x0 0x4 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x1 0x61 0xa3 0x0 0x8 0x50 0x0 0xc5 0x0 0xf 0x1e = 0xf8 0x\ 6c 0x63 0xa8 0x0 0x18 0x6e 0x61 0x61 0x2e 0x35 0x30 0x30 0x30 0x43 0x35 = 0x30 0\ x30 0x30 0x46 0x31 0x45 0x46 0x38 0x36 0x43 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 VMWARE SCSI Id: Id for sda 0x50 0x00 0xc5 0x00 0x0f 0x1e 0xf8 0x6f 0x53 = 0x54 0\ x39 0x31 0x34 0x36 VMWARE: Unique Device attached as scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id = 1, lun 0 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 5 07:11:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB56106566C for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swehack@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59578FC19 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 07:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swehack@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4231483bwz.43 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 00:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=kWsGIBC9s1WrZUhMn9ag+lJAeXRQp709rSq+cUkFXrw=; b=aYqUS9HOp0zXVOkoFqMbEoJx8WF77Hu1Jxd4Ul4GMjWVcSAVUCubOXniUfbWhHsRTy zsN3SAY5HfTUyrNhCuxTlYCNA2AfOSMUybT4xd2KUe86AjcdmgxujZ9epRu3k7OnjqgU JYDqrJnB1SPHCxMmoVMBDw3MkW4sGMtbQvuss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=N93gqxCgqhgGYRqLVtZAi+mQrd1/fNZVa1GYRi4Pmy6IEzJWlv+tRoiPX2pjQ4q+p5 TnnY6bvGu3dLzpjhlUvHxShruVN5+TTdzVTbHhxyD8ylhHScmtrugyv8FJ/bTJLqc7qZ QVteY09qMDEN3G5pgdb95K+t4SUIHrLo2oZ2I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.56.4 with SMTP id w4mr6578990bkg.25.1241505943335; Mon, 04 May 2009 23:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:45:43 +0200 Message-ID: <9aed80930905042345g16e11a6bq209b038b4c206bcf@mail.gmail.com> From: nocturnal To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Macbook keyboard support in console X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 07:11:45 -0000 What layout can i use to get support for an international Macbook keyboard in the FreeBSD 7.1 console? I have a Swedish keyboard so support for alt+shift+7 for \ and alt+7 for | would be much appreciated even though i plan on using Xorg mostly on this machine. Thank you in advance for any information. --=20 Med v=E4nliga h=E4lsningar Stefan Midjich aka nocturnal [SWEHACK] http://swehack.se From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 9 13:03:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDA91065670 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@gumenyuk.org.ua) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5678FC08 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@gumenyuk.org.ua) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so1857531fxm.43 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 06:03:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.93.19 with SMTP id q19mr4570764fgb.55.1241872764917; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:39:24 +0300 Message-ID: <1a1185230905090539i594abd5cp9a8751a40c5df43a@mail.gmail.com> From: Alexander Gumenyuk To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: System does not see network devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:03:13 -0000 Hello Everyone, Can somebody tell me which of following network devices of my laptop (Compaq 6730s *FU573ES*) is/will be supported by FreeBSD? I tried FreeBSD 7.1-Release i386 and none of them is detected by system. First one is Intel WiFi Link 5100, model: 512AG_MMW. Second one is Marvell Gigabit (don't know specific model) Here is pciconfig -lv info on them: none1@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x12068086 chip=0x42328086 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' class = network none2@pci0:69:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30e9103c chip=0x436c11ab rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)' class = network subclass = ethernet Which *drivers/boot options/kernel modules* should I use to enable them? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 9 15:19:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72791065672 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dean@fragfest.com.au) Received: from togusa.fragfest.com.au (togusa.fragfest.com.au [203.98.91.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896688FC19 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dean@fragfest.com.au) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.bong.com.au) by togusa.fragfest.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2nrG-0000Yd-2l; Sun, 10 May 2009 00:48:58 +1000 Received: from 114.76.168.98 (auth. user djzort@bong.com.au@webmail.bong.com.au) by webmail.bong.com.au with HTTP; Sat, 09 May 2009 07:48:57 -0700 To: "Alexander Gumenyuk" , "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 07:48:57 -0700 X-Mailer: BlueMamba.org/1.0.9 (On: webmail.bong.com.au) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <$replyto_messageID> From: "Dean Hamstead" Bounce-To: "Dean Hamstead" Errors-To: "Dean Hamstead" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: System does not see network devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:19:03 -0000 This thread discusses freebsd on your laptop in detail http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D3479 Dean On 5/9/2009, "Alexander Gumenyuk" wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >Can somebody tell me which of following network devices of my laptop (Compaq >6730s *FU573ES*) is/will be supported by FreeBSD? >I tried FreeBSD 7.1-Release i386 and none of them is detected by system. > >First one is Intel WiFi Link 5100, model: 512AG_MMW. > >Second one is Marvell Gigabit (don't know specific model) > >Here is pciconfig -lv info on them: > >none1@pci0:3:0:0: class=3D0x028000 card=3D0x12068086 chip=3D0x42328086 re= v=3D0x00 >hdr=3D0x00 > vendor =3D 'Intel Corporation' > class =3D network >none2@pci0:69:0:0: class=3D0x020000 card=3D0x30e9103c chip=3D0x436c11ab >rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 > vendor =3D 'Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)' > class =3D network > subclass =3D ethernet > >Which *drivers/boot options/kernel modules* should I use to enable them? > >Thanks in advance. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 9 15:50:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D3C106566B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@gumenyuk.org.ua) Received: from mail-fx0-f216.google.com (mail-fx0-f216.google.com [209.85.220.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251D88FC08 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 15:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@gumenyuk.org.ua) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so1907712fxm.43 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 08:50:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.86.2 with SMTP id j2mr4737696fgb.50.1241884212263; Sat, 09 May 2009 08:50:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:50:12 +0300 Message-ID: <1a1185230905090850r5a6c86b1pbb7a74520c322f50@mail.gmail.com> From: Alexander Gumenyuk To: Dean Hamstead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: System does not see network devices X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 15:50:13 -0000 Thanks Dean, That thread is mine :-). There is no particular answers on my questions in that thread so I'm trying to find them in another place. 2009/5/9 Dean Hamstead > This thread discusses freebsd on your laptop in detail > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3479 > > > Dean > > On 5/9/2009, "Alexander Gumenyuk" wrote: > > >Hello Everyone, > > > >Can somebody tell me which of following network devices of my laptop > (Compaq > >6730s *FU573ES*) is/will be supported by FreeBSD? > >I tried FreeBSD 7.1-Release i386 and none of them is detected by system. > > > >First one is Intel WiFi Link 5100, model: 512AG_MMW. > > > >Second one is Marvell Gigabit (don't know specific model) > > > >Here is pciconfig -lv info on them: > > > >none1@pci0:3:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x12068086 chip=0x42328086 > rev=0x00 > >hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > class = network > >none2@pci0:69:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x30e9103c chip=0x436c11ab > >rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)' > > class = network > > subclass = ethernet > > > >Which *drivers/boot options/kernel modules* should I use to enable them? > > > >Thanks in advance. > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >