From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 11:42:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C41065670 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BFC8FC15 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LYfO6-00009E-Ne for isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:42:18 -0800 Message-ID: <4997FF9A.8090306@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:42:18 -0800 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <991123400902110317w179890dau10adb73e330aaf9e@mail.gmail.com> <1ac8072f0902110625jdc433xa55f2fde2fdf88e3@mail.gmail.com> <4997F90E.7070605@staff.openaccess.org> In-Reply-To: <4997F90E.7070605@staff.openaccess.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:42:19 -0000 I guess I should have mentioned BGP, OSPF and all that stuff too? Michael DeMan (OA) wrote: > We are an ISP, and we run FreeBSD for a wild variety of things from > little Soekris boxes to vmware. > > > > James Gosnell wrote: >> I've been getting about 4 junk emails a week for the past 4 weeks >> from this >> mail group. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Barney Cordoba >>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >>>> >>> How comes I don't get the spam? >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254733744121/+254722743223 >>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he >>> is a >>> baby." >>> - Natalie Wood >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 12:13:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395E71065670 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1832F8FC1E for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LYex4-0006DF-UN for isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:14:22 -0800 Message-ID: <4997F90E.7070605@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:14:22 -0800 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <991123400902110317w179890dau10adb73e330aaf9e@mail.gmail.com> <1ac8072f0902110625jdc433xa55f2fde2fdf88e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1ac8072f0902110625jdc433xa55f2fde2fdf88e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:13:56 -0000 We are an ISP, and we run FreeBSD for a wild variety of things from little Soekris boxes to vmware. James Gosnell wrote: > I've been getting about 4 junk emails a week for the past 4 weeks from this > mail group. > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Barney Cordoba > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >>> >> How comes I don't get the spam? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a >> baby." >> - Natalie Wood >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 15 22:04:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA341065672 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232968FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:04:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 33so3262873agc.3 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:04:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.96.213 with SMTP id i21mr959700vcn.113.1234734411747; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:46:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4997F90E.7070605@staff.openaccess.org> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <991123400902110317w179890dau10adb73e330aaf9e@mail.gmail.com> <1ac8072f0902110625jdc433xa55f2fde2fdf88e3@mail.gmail.com> <4997F90E.7070605@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:46:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: Bob Martin To: isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: ISPs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:04:11 -0000 We're a FreeBSD Based ISP as well - You might want to define what you mean by ISP though - ISP covers a lot of ground. Yahoo is an ISP, and they also use FreeBSD. If Qwest is your phone company, and you get internet from them at home, then you are using a FreeBSD based ISP..... There's several good links on the FreeBSD website as well..... From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 16 13:09:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6982106566B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from medsalim.bouhlel@enis.rnu.tn) Received: from gw3.outgw.tn (gw3.outgw.tn [193.95.97.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD8E8FC08 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:09:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from medsalim.bouhlel@enis.rnu.tn) Received: from gw4.outgw.tn (gw4.outgw.tn [193.95.97.184]) by gw3.outgw.tn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266D97DDF4D for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.rnu.tn (smtp.rnu.tn [193.95.32.173]) by tounes-18.ati.tn (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED13610880FC for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (rnu.tn [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.rnu.tn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F0ACB3DB for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rnu.tn Received: from smtp.rnu.tn ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.rnu.tn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CfWISYCE+GPM for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from direction (unknown [41.229.111.21]) by smtp.rnu.tn (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4663CB3DE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:54 +0100 (CET) From: "SETIT 2009" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: SETIT 2009 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:51:49 +0100 Message-ID: <2009216.398600,577647928240741@enis.rnu.tn> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Invitation to attend SETIT2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:09:02 -0000 =20 Invitation Dear=20 We would like to invite you to join us for the 5th International Confere= nce named Sciences of Electronics, Technologies of Information and Telec= ommunications SETIT 2009 which will be held in Hammamet-Tunisia from 22 = to 26 March 2009.=20 As you know, this International Conference is under the supervision of P= rofessor Lazhar BOUOUNI, the Tunisian Minister of Higher Education and = Scientific Research and Technology. This Conference is supported by IEEE. In this fifth version, more than 6= 00 papers have been proposed among which 300 have been retained for publ= ication. The papers=92 authors are from more than 40 nationalities.=20= The SETIT conference is an essential forum for sharing knowledge about t= he latest progress and advances in information and telecommunication tec= hnologies, and has an excellent track record for fostering synergism bet= ween research teams that are working in the fields related to the confer= ence topics.=20 The rich assortment of tutorials, presentation sessions, and receptions = will allow you to gain in-depth knowledge of fundamental principles and = the latest trends in the sciences of electronics, technologies of inform= ation and telecommunications.=20 With its many sessions, the Conference is an excellent opportunity to re= new old friendships and network with new contacts. You and your accompan= ists will also enjoy the vibrant culture and many points of interest in = our beautiful and hospitable country Tunisia. So make your plans now to = join us for this exciting event.=20 The organizing committee of the SETIT conference cordially invites you t= o join this event. =20 Some participants can benefit from a financial support. In fact their ac= commodation fees (from the 22nd to the 26th March 2009 at the conference= hotel) can be assumed by the conference. This Financial support is available to help participants from developing= countries and countries with poor currencies to attend the 5th Internat= ional Conference Sciences of Electronics, Technologies of Information an= d Telecommunications (SETIT=922009) that will be held in TUNISIA from Ma= rch 22-26, 2009.=20 The criteria used for the allocation of the financial support are:=20 Country of residence (developing country, country with poor currency=85)= =20 Occupational status. 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Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any queries regarding S= ETIT 2009.=20 Updated information about the conference can be found at: http://www.set= it.rnu.tn=20 Online registration can be found at: http://www.setit.rnu.tn/?main=3D1&p= g=3Dregistration .=20 NB: As official carrier sponsor for the 5th International Conference SET= IT 2009, TUNISAIR will offer to all participants attending this Conferen= ce the following special offer: 50% discount on the excursion fares to T= unisia on Tunisair in economic class.=20 To benefit of this very special offer contact the Tunisair Representatio= n Offices in your country and ask for more information.=20 See you in Hammamet. 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This conference will allow, on one hand, to share experience, to make= a state of the art of the theory, research, telecommunication applicati= ons and the Information processing. On the other hand, Setit will presen= t future innovations. =3D=3D TOPICS =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The topics of this conference are voluntarily opened in order to support= the participation of many teams (researchers, teachers, engineers, indu= strialists and students). A broad place will be reserved for the new ide= as, with not yet succeeded work, original work positioning clearly compa= red to what exists. Here a non exhaustive list of the topics: Electronic =20 Systems on chip=20 Electronic integration=20 Radiofrequence circuits and systems=20 Telecommunications=92 circuits and systems=20 Image and Video=20 Image compression and coding=20 Image processing technology=20 Cryptology and watermarking=20 Image 3D=20 Multimedia =20 Management and diffusion of multimedia applications=20 Multimedia data base=20 Documents modelisation and interpretation=20 Telecommunication=92s computer science=20 Telecommunications and Networks=20 Telecommunications=20 Networks=20 Communication protocoles=20 Transmission technics=20 Signal Processing=20 Statistical analysis=20 Speech processing=20 Speech compression and coding=20 Information Processing=20 Information fusion=20 Neuronal networks and fuzzy logic=20 Rationing methods=20 Data mining=20 =3D=3D CONFERENCE'S PLACE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 Hammamet is a town in Tunisia. Due to its beaches it is a popular destin= ation for swimming and water sports; it was the first tourist destinatio= n in Tunisia.It is located in the south east of the northern peninsula o= f Cap Bon in the Governorate of Nabeul.=20 The reported number of inhabitants varies from 20,000 to 70,000 and the = population quadruples due to tourists in the summer.=20 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 18:54:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39F51065672 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8B38FC12 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from k4k6l ([75.191.169.91]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:54:43 +0000 From: "Lawrence Auster" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:54:39 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> Subject: "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lawrence.auster@att.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:54:48 -0000 "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women By Kevin MacDonald February 19, 2009 It seems that the signs of white dispossession are everywhere these days. Edmund Connelly describes how non-Jewish whites are being pushed out of elite institutions like Harvard. An article titled “The end of white America” catalogues the lack of cultural confidence of whites these days. It quotes a student who says “To be white is to be culturally broke." Writing in vdare.com, David A. Yeagley quotes one of his female students saying “Look ... I don’t see anything about my culture to be proud of. It’s all nothing. My race is just nothing.” Yeagley notes the Cheyenne saying, “A nation is never defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground.” And he places this in the context of the recent election in which 46% of white women voted for Obama compared to 41% of white men. These percentages are somewhat inflated because they include Jews and immigrants, such as South Asians, who are classified as white but do not identify with the European-American majority. Nevertheless, they do point to a significant gender gap. While it is certainly true that voting for McCain-Palin is not a sign of white consciousness — even implicitly, it is also the case that voting for Obama is a good sign of a lack of racial consciousness for European Americans. The good news, of course, is that a majority of white women did not vote for Obama. And, as Steve Sailer has shown for the 2004 election, if one separated out women who are married and have children, the results would show an even greater tendency to vote against Obama. Nevertheless, there is a real problem. Those of us with some acquaintance with European-Americans who do have an explicit ethnic identity and a sense of their ethnic interests are quite aware that there is a very large sex ratio imbalance at gatherings of like-minded people. The attendees are almost all male — an exception being the redoubtable Virginia Abernethy. And there are stories of men who have stopped attending meetings or who provide support only in the most furtive manner, mainly because their wives are afraid that the attitudes of their husbands could become public and ruin their social life. Making such things public is just the sort of thing that organizations like the SPLC and the ADL love to do. Judith Warner of the New York Times describes the result of an informal "email inquiry" on women's reactions to Obama. Some imagined having sex with Obama and replacing Michelle Obama as First Lady. Others imagined themselves at social engagements with Obama. All wanted deeply to have some of the Obama aura rub off on them. Warner's email contacts doubtless reflect her liberal readership, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are quite general, especially among white women who voted for Obama. What does an evolutionary psychologist say about all this? Parenthetically, I realize that the great majority of Americans do not believe in evolution. Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is a very powerful and scientifically credible way of looking at human behavior. It is no accident that one of the main strands of Jewish intellectual activism over the last century has been to oppose evolutionary theory as an explanatory tool in the social sciences. Darwin did indeed have a dangerous idea — dangerous to Jews because it provides a rational grounding for the ethnic identity and interests of European-derived people. The evolutionary theory of sex is one of the bedrocks of evolutionary psychology — probably accounting for half of all the research in the field. The basic idea is simple: Females invest a relatively large amount of time and energy in reproduction. In the world we evolved in, the only way for women to reproduce was to endure a 38-week pregnancy and then nurse the child for an even longer period. Even after nursing, child care was mainly a female responsibility. Because women are committed to this very large investment, they become very valuable in the mating game. And because they are valuable, they become discriminating maters: Just as a worker who puts in more time and energy is in a better bargaining position than one who puts in little time and energy, women become the choosers in the mating game. And what do women want? Women are expected to want men who have high social status. From an evolutionary perspective, such men are attractive because they may be willing to provide valuable resources that would help in supporting the mother and raising the children. (When men do contribute resources, they also become choosy, but that's another story.) And even if a wealthy man does not provide resources, he is likely to have good genes — genes that predispose his children to be successful. In any case, women do indeed prefer wealthy, high-status men. For example, a recent study found that wealthy men give women more orgasms: "The pleasure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their partner’s bank balance." Other research shows that women are likely to choose higher status men than their husbands when they have affairs, resulting in the possibility of a lower status male helping to raise the children of a higher-status male. What about the idea that evolutionary theory implies that people should be attracted to people who are genetically like themselves? Evolutionary theory predicts that women will be attracted to men who are genetically similar to themselves compared to men who are from a different race or ethnic group. For one thing, this makes them more closely related to their own children. The problem is that this attraction to genetically similar mates is only part of the story. It must compete with the tendency to be attracted to wealthy, powerful men. And quite clearly, the phenomenon where large numbers of white women fantasize about having a relationship with Obama reflects his power and social status, not attraction to a genetically similar person. The media is a major part of the hostile elite, so it is not surprising that it has played a leading role in the idolization of Obama — the slobbering love affair between the mainstream media and Obama. It's the same role that Edmund Connelly has called attention to in his writing on the images of blacks created by Hollywood in recent decades. Black action heroes are now household names, and more than one commentator has pointed out that there were several black presidents in the movies and on television long before Obama was elected. These images from the media tap into women's psychological attraction to high-status males. It was probably fairly common for white women to fantasize about having sex with Will Smith or Denzel Washington or even the "wise and saintly" Morgan Freeman long before the world had ever heard of Barack Obama. Another sex difference that contributes to women's political behavior is that women are generally more nurturant, affectionate, empathic, and caring than men. This is another aspect of female psychology that can easily be derived from evolutionary thinking — the vital importance of nurturing children and developing close family relationships in our evolutionary past. Thus it is not surprising that many of Judith Warner's women not only fantasize about having sex with Obama, they see themselves married to him and becoming first lady. They develop a close and caring relationship with him, or they see him as a good friend. I suppose this is also the reason why women are more likely than men to support social programs that promise to aid children and poor people. This relatively greater empathy and nurturance was certainly adaptive in a world of family groups and close relatives. But in the modern world, it can easily lead to maladaptive altruism and ignoring real dangers. For example, white women enamored of images of sexy, high-status black males are not informed by the mainstream media of the very large racial imbalance in crime, particularly black men raping white women. Another problem with women being relatively high in nurturance and empathy is that these traits are linked to greater compliance and greater inclination to seek the approval and affection of others. Again, these are very adaptive traits in the world of small groups and close relatives. But in a world dominated by elites that are hostile to the interests of whites, these traits can lead to mindless acceptance of anti-white cultural norms. Challenging social norms — even ones that are obviously against one's interests — carries a very high psychological cost to people who seek the approval and affection of others. This implies that once the intellectual and political movements described in The Culture of Critique had seized the intellectual and moral high ground, they became difficult indeed to dislodge. Challenging these norms brings accusations of moral turpitude ringing down from the most prestigious political, media and academic institutions of the society. People who seek the approval and affection of others are definitely not inclined to go there. This in turn may well be a large part of the explanation for why there are so few women at gatherings of European-Americans concerned about the future of their people and culture. This paints a fairly bleak picture. But there are some rays of hope. It is likely that at some point the gap between rhetoric and reality in American life will be so large that no one will believe what they are hearing from the hostile elites that dominate public discourse — much like the Soviet Union in the decades before its fall. When that happens, the cultural icons promoted by the media will lose their credibility and allure as well. And because of the internet, the opportunity to hear divergent opinions and become aware of information that is suppressed by the mainstream media has never been better. All around us we can see the collapse and increasing irrelevance of the old media. The internet has already created communities where prestige and social approval can be obtained completely outside the norms created by our hostile elites. And at least some of these communities are dedicated to transforming America by asserting the legitimacy of white identities and interests. The dispossession of whites is already substantial, but it promises to be a whole lot more obvious as time goes on. As whites become a minority, it is difficult to imagine that they won't develop more of a group consciousness and challenge the prevailing anti-white norms. And that includes even the more nurturant and empathic among us. Source with hyperlinks : http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Women.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to Lawrence Auster's Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact : lawrence.auster@att.net ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 19:20:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176121065670 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@neuropunks.org) Received: from finn.neuropunks.org (finn.neuropunks.org [69.31.43.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62198FC26 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@neuropunks.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by finn.neuropunks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5039284FF; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:43 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: finn.neuropunks.org; domainkeys=pass header.from=max@neuropunks.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at neuropunks.org Received: from finn.neuropunks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (finn.neuropunks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHAgFoQDgp6O; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.10.69] (unknown [63.118.5.249]) by finn.neuropunks.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 337422843A; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:42 -0500 (EST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=finn; d=neuropunks.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=1MgMviFgbFiEoChNltVoc0xqryBr7GmWodY6CaXOYXbkpJh7m7sLjh3n/VhndQPd7 eRFSQV2bRzpjlLngnhKlxxj6p16PTsTZxasrNjpEDoxC8n+bBYIyFw6gHJoy/vymvFS CBFZvwTbIlDw0mf87SKRHL3sCHbF8LfFVJX8g90= Message-ID: <499DAD0D.2030700@neuropunks.org> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:41 -0500 From: Max Gribov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lawrence.auster@att.net References: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> In-Reply-To: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:20:32 -0000 ok what the fuck this is the third letter i got through this list from this dude. lawrence, im 3 blocks south of you, and im coming over. this needs to stop. Lawrence Auster wrote: > "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women > > By Kevin MacDonald > > February 19, 2009 > > It seems that the signs of white dispossession are everywhere these days. Edmund Connelly describes how non-Jewish whites are being pushed out of elite institutions like Harvard. An article titled “The end of white America” catalogues the lack of cultural confidence of whites these days. It quotes a student who says “To be white is to be culturally broke." > > Writing in vdare.com, David A. Yeagley quotes one of his female students saying “Look ... I don’t see anything about my culture to be proud of. It’s all nothing. My race is just nothing.” Yeagley notes the Cheyenne saying, “A nation is never defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground.” And he places this in the context of the recent election in which 46% of white women voted for Obama compared to 41% of white men. > > These percentages are somewhat inflated because they include Jews and immigrants, such as South Asians, who are classified as white but do not identify with the European-American majority. Nevertheless, they do point to a significant gender gap. While it is certainly true that voting for McCain-Palin is not a sign of white consciousness — even implicitly, it is also the case that voting for Obama is a good sign of a lack of racial consciousness for European Americans. > > The good news, of course, is that a majority of white women did not vote for Obama. And, as Steve Sailer has shown for the 2004 election, if one separated out women who are married and have children, the results would show an even greater tendency to vote against Obama. > > Nevertheless, there is a real problem. Those of us with some acquaintance with European-Americans who do have an explicit ethnic identity and a sense of their ethnic interests are quite aware that there is a very large sex ratio imbalance at gatherings of like-minded people. The attendees are almost all male — an exception being the redoubtable Virginia Abernethy. And there are stories of men who have stopped attending meetings or who provide support only in the most furtive manner, mainly because their wives are afraid that the attitudes of their husbands could become public and ruin their social life. Making such things public is just the sort of thing that organizations like the SPLC and the ADL love to do. > > Judith Warner of the New York Times describes the result of an informal "email inquiry" on women's reactions to Obama. Some imagined having sex with Obama and replacing Michelle Obama as First Lady. Others imagined themselves at social engagements with Obama. All wanted deeply to have some of the Obama aura rub off on them. Warner's email contacts doubtless reflect her liberal readership, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are quite general, especially among white women who voted for Obama. > > What does an evolutionary psychologist say about all this? Parenthetically, I realize that the great majority of Americans do not believe in evolution. Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is a very powerful and scientifically credible way of looking at human behavior. It is no accident that one of the main strands of Jewish intellectual activism over the last century has been to oppose evolutionary theory as an explanatory tool in the social sciences. Darwin did indeed have a dangerous idea — dangerous to Jews because it provides a rational grounding for the ethnic identity and interests of European-derived people. > > The evolutionary theory of sex is one of the bedrocks of evolutionary psychology — probably accounting for half of all the research in the field. The basic idea is simple: Females invest a relatively large amount of time and energy in reproduction. In the world we evolved in, the only way for women to reproduce was to endure a 38-week pregnancy and then nurse the child for an even longer period. Even after nursing, child care was mainly a female responsibility. > > Because women are committed to this very large investment, they become very valuable in the mating game. And because they are valuable, they become discriminating maters: Just as a worker who puts in more time and energy is in a better bargaining position than one who puts in little time and energy, women become the choosers in the mating game. > > And what do women want? Women are expected to want men who have high social status. From an evolutionary perspective, such men are attractive because they may be willing to provide valuable resources that would help in supporting the mother and raising the children. (When men do contribute resources, they also become choosy, but that's another story.) And even if a wealthy man does not provide resources, he is likely to have good genes — genes that predispose his children to be successful. > > In any case, women do indeed prefer wealthy, high-status men. For example, a recent study found that wealthy men give women more orgasms: "The pleasure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their partner’s bank balance." Other research shows that women are likely to choose higher status men than their husbands when they have affairs, resulting in the possibility of a lower status male helping to raise the children of a higher-status male. > > What about the idea that evolutionary theory implies that people should be attracted to people who are genetically like themselves? Evolutionary theory predicts that women will be attracted to men who are genetically similar to themselves compared to men who are from a different race or ethnic group. For one thing, this makes them more closely related to their own children. > > The problem is that this attraction to genetically similar mates is only part of the story. It must compete with the tendency to be attracted to wealthy, powerful men. And quite clearly, the phenomenon where large numbers of white women fantasize about having a relationship with Obama reflects his power and social status, not attraction to a genetically similar person. > > The media is a major part of the hostile elite, so it is not surprising that it has played a leading role in the idolization of Obama — the slobbering love affair between the mainstream media and Obama. It's the same role that Edmund Connelly has called attention to in his writing on the images of blacks created by Hollywood in recent decades. Black action heroes are now household names, and more than one commentator has pointed out that there were several black presidents in the movies and on television long before Obama was elected. > > These images from the media tap into women's psychological attraction to high-status males. It was probably fairly common for white women to fantasize about having sex with Will Smith or Denzel Washington or even the "wise and saintly" Morgan Freeman long before the world had ever heard of Barack Obama. > > Another sex difference that contributes to women's political behavior is that women are generally more nurturant, affectionate, empathic, and caring than men. This is another aspect of female psychology that can easily be derived from evolutionary thinking — the vital importance of nurturing children and developing close family relationships in our evolutionary past. Thus it is not surprising that many of Judith Warner's women not only fantasize about having sex with Obama, they see themselves married to him and becoming first lady. They develop a close and caring relationship with him, or they see him as a good friend. I suppose this is also the reason why women are more likely than men to support social programs that promise to aid children and poor people. > > This relatively greater empathy and nurturance was certainly adaptive in a world of family groups and close relatives. But in the modern world, it can easily lead to maladaptive altruism and ignoring real dangers. For example, white women enamored of images of sexy, high-status black males are not informed by the mainstream media of the very large racial imbalance in crime, particularly black men raping white women. > > Another problem with women being relatively high in nurturance and empathy is that these traits are linked to greater compliance and greater inclination to seek the approval and affection of others. Again, these are very adaptive traits in the world of small groups and close relatives. But in a world dominated by elites that are hostile to the interests of whites, these traits can lead to mindless acceptance of anti-white cultural norms. Challenging social norms — even ones that are obviously against one's interests — carries a very high psychological cost to people who seek the approval and affection of others. > > This implies that once the intellectual and political movements described in The Culture of Critique had seized the intellectual and moral high ground, they became difficult indeed to dislodge. Challenging these norms brings accusations of moral turpitude ringing down from the most prestigious political, media and academic institutions of the society. People who seek the approval and affection of others are definitely not inclined to go there. This in turn may well be a large part of the explanation for why there are so few women at gatherings of European-Americans concerned about the future of their people and culture. > > This paints a fairly bleak picture. But there are some rays of hope. It is likely that at some point the gap between rhetoric and reality in American life will be so large that no one will believe what they are hearing from the hostile elites that dominate public discourse — much like the Soviet Union in the decades before its fall. When that happens, the cultural icons promoted by the media will lose their credibility and allure as well. > > And because of the internet, the opportunity to hear divergent opinions and become aware of information that is suppressed by the mainstream media has never been better. All around us we can see the collapse and increasing irrelevance of the old media. The internet has already created communities where prestige and social approval can be obtained completely outside the norms created by our hostile elites. And at least some of these communities are dedicated to transforming America by asserting the legitimacy of white identities and interests. > > The dispossession of whites is already substantial, but it promises to be a whole lot more obvious as time goes on. As whites become a minority, it is difficult to imagine that they won't develop more of a group consciousness and challenge the prevailing anti-white norms. And that includes even the more nurturant and empathic among us. > > Source with hyperlinks : http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Women.html > > > ------------------------------------- > > You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to Lawrence Auster's > Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 > > Thanks, > > Lawrence Auster, > 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B > New York, NY 10025 > Contact : lawrence.auster@att.net > ------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 19:35:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F71D106568A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@crepinc.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C70F8FC1F for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@crepinc.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so591619rvb.43 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:35:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.250.14 with SMTP id x14mr1284011rvh.79.1235070189360; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> References: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: <2ad0f9f60902191103o5f8f4025v6aecb61506cfa0e1@mail.gmail.com> From: Jack Carrozzo To: lawrence.auster@att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:35:37 -0000 What the shit is this? Why would you pick this list for it? -Jack Carrozzo On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Lawrence Auster wrote: > "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of w= omen > > By Kevin MacDonald > > February 19, 2009 > > It seems that the signs of white dispossession are everywhere these days.= Edmund Connelly describes how non-Jewish whites are being pushed out of el= ite institutions like Harvard. An article titled "The end of white America"= catalogues the lack of cultural confidence of whites these days. It quotes= a student who says "To be white is to be culturally broke." > > Writing in vdare.com, David A. Yeagley quotes one of his female students = saying "Look ... I don't see anything about my culture to be proud of. It's= all nothing. My race is just nothing." Yeagley notes the Cheyenne saying, = "A nation is never defeated until the hearts of its women are on the ground= ." And he places this in the context of the recent election in which 46% of= white women voted for Obama compared to 41% of white men. > > These percentages are somewhat inflated because they include Jews and imm= igrants, such as South Asians, who are classified as white but do not ident= ify with the European-American majority. Nevertheless, they do point to a s= ignificant gender gap. While it is certainly true that voting for McCain-Pa= lin is not a sign of white consciousness =97 even implicitly, it is also th= e case that voting for Obama is a good sign of a lack of racial consciousne= ss for European Americans. > > The good news, of course, is that a majority of white women did not vote = for Obama. And, as Steve Sailer has shown for the 2004 election, if one sep= arated out women who are married and have children, the results would show = an even greater tendency to vote against Obama. > > Nevertheless, there is a real problem. Those of us with some acquaintance= with European-Americans who do have an explicit ethnic identity and a sens= e of their ethnic interests are quite aware that there is a very large sex = ratio imbalance at gatherings of like-minded people. The attendees are almo= st all male =97 an exception being the redoubtable Virginia Abernethy. And = there are stories of men who have stopped attending meetings or who provide= support only in the most furtive manner, mainly because their wives are af= raid that the attitudes of their husbands could become public and ruin thei= r social life. Making such things public is just the sort of thing that org= anizations like the SPLC and the ADL love to do. > > Judith Warner of the New York Times describes the result of an informal "= email inquiry" on women's reactions to Obama. Some imagined having sex with= Obama and replacing Michelle Obama as First Lady. Others imagined themselv= es at social engagements with Obama. All wanted deeply to have some of the = Obama aura rub off on them. Warner's email contacts doubtless reflect her l= iberal readership, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are quite gen= eral, especially among white women who voted for Obama. > > What does an evolutionary psychologist say about all this? Parentheticall= y, I realize that the great majority of Americans do not believe in evoluti= on. Nevertheless, evolutionary theory is a very powerful and scientifically= credible way of looking at human behavior. It is no accident that one of t= he main strands of Jewish intellectual activism over the last century has b= een to oppose evolutionary theory as an explanatory tool in the social scie= nces. Darwin did indeed have a dangerous idea =97 dangerous to Jews because= it provides a rational grounding for the ethnic identity and interests of = European-derived people. > > The evolutionary theory of sex is one of the bedrocks of evolutionary psy= chology =97 probably accounting for half of all the research in the field. = The basic idea is simple: Females invest a relatively large amount of time = and energy in reproduction. In the world we evolved in, the only way for wo= men to reproduce was to endure a 38-week pregnancy and then nurse the child= for an even longer period. Even after nursing, child care was mainly a fem= ale responsibility. > > Because women are committed to this very large investment, they become ve= ry valuable in the mating game. And because they are valuable, they become = discriminating maters: Just as a worker who puts in more time and energy is= in a better bargaining position than one who puts in little time and energ= y, women become the choosers in the mating game. > > And what do women want? Women are expected to want men who have high soci= al status. From an evolutionary perspective, such men are attractive becaus= e they may be willing to provide valuable resources that would help in supp= orting the mother and raising the children. (When men do contribute resourc= es, they also become choosy, but that's another story.) And even if a wealt= hy man does not provide resources, he is likely to have good genes =97 gen= es that predispose his children to be successful. > > In any case, women do indeed prefer wealthy, high-status men. For example= , a recent study found that wealthy men give women more orgasms: "The pleas= ure women get from making love is directly linked to the size of their part= ner's bank balance." Other research shows that women are likely to choose h= igher status men than their husbands when they have affairs, resulting in t= he possibility of a lower status male helping to raise the children of a hi= gher-status male. > > What about the idea that evolutionary theory implies that people should b= e attracted to people who are genetically like themselves? Evolutionary th= eory predicts that women will be attracted to men who are genetically simil= ar to themselves compared to men who are from a different race or ethnic gr= oup. For one thing, this makes them more closely related to their own child= ren. > > The problem is that this attraction to genetically similar mates is only = part of the story. It must compete with the tendency to be attracted to wea= lthy, powerful men. And quite clearly, the phenomenon where large numbers o= f white women fantasize about having a relationship with Obama reflects his= power and social status, not attraction to a genetically similar person. > > The media is a major part of the hostile elite, so it is not surprising = that it has played a leading role in the idolization of Obama =97 the slobb= ering love affair between the mainstream media and Obama. It's the same rol= e that Edmund Connelly has called attention to in his writing on the images= of blacks created by Hollywood in recent decades. Black action heroes are = now household names, and more than one commentator has pointed out that the= re were several black presidents in the movies and on television long befor= e Obama was elected. > > These images from the media tap into women's psychological attraction to = high-status males. It was probably fairly common for white women to fantasi= ze about having sex with Will Smith or Denzel Washington or even the "wise = and saintly" Morgan Freeman long before the world had ever heard of Barack = Obama. > > Another sex difference that contributes to women's political behavior is = that women are generally more nurturant, affectionate, empathic, and caring= than men. This is another aspect of female psychology that can easily be d= erived from evolutionary thinking =97 the vital importance of nurturing chi= ldren and developing close family relationships in our evolutionary past. T= hus it is not surprising that many of Judith Warner's women not only fantas= ize about having sex with Obama, they see themselves married to him and bec= oming first lady. They develop a close and caring relationship with him, or= they see him as a good friend. I suppose this is also the reason why women= are more likely than men to support social programs that promise to aid ch= ildren and poor people. > > This relatively greater empathy and nurturance was certainly adaptive in = a world of family groups and close relatives. But in the modern world, it c= an easily lead to maladaptive altruism and ignoring real dangers. For exam= ple, white women enamored of images of sexy, high-status black males are no= t informed by the mainstream media of the very large racial imbalance in cr= ime, particularly black men raping white women. > > Another problem with women being relatively high in nurturance and empath= y is that these traits are linked to greater compliance and greater inclina= tion to seek the approval and affection of others. Again, these are very ad= aptive traits in the world of small groups and close relatives. But in a wo= rld dominated by elites that are hostile to the interests of whites, these = traits can lead to mindless acceptance of anti-white cultural norms. Challe= nging social norms =97 even ones that are obviously against one's interests= =97 carries a very high psychological cost to people who seek the approval= and affection of others. > > This implies that once the intellectual and political movements described= in The Culture of Critique had seized the intellectual and moral high grou= nd, they became difficult indeed to dislodge. Challenging these norms bring= s accusations of moral turpitude ringing down from the most prestigious po= litical, media and academic institutions of the society. People who seek th= e approval and affection of others are definitely not inclined to go there.= This in turn may well be a large part of the explanation for why there are= so few women at gatherings of European-Americans concerned about the futur= e of their people and culture. > > This paints a fairly bleak picture. But there are some rays of hope. It i= s likely that at some point the gap between rhetoric and reality in America= n life will be so large that no one will believe what they are hearing from= the hostile elites that dominate public discourse =97 much like the Sovie= t Union in the decades before its fall. When that happens, the cultural ico= ns promoted by the media will lose their credibility and allure as well. > > And because of the internet, the opportunity to hear divergent opinions a= nd become aware of information that is suppressed by the mainstream media h= as never been better. All around us we can see the collapse and increasing = irrelevance of the old media. The internet has already created communities = where prestige and social approval can be obtained completely outside the n= orms created by our hostile elites. And at least some of these communities = are dedicated to transforming America by asserting the legitimacy of white = identities and interests. > > The dispossession of whites is already substantial, but it promises to be= a whole lot more obvious as time goes on. As whites become a minority, it = is difficult to imagine that they won't develop more of a group consciousne= ss and challenge the prevailing anti-white norms. And that includes even th= e more nurturant and empathic among us. > > Source with hyperlinks : http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/Ma= cDonald-Women.html > > > ------------------------------------- > > You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to Lawrenc= e Auster's > Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let u= s know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 > > Thanks, > > Lawrence Auster, > 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B > New York, NY 10025 > Contact : lawrence.auster@att.net > ------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 19:59:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D8410656D4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D7158FC18 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 25283 invoked by uid 110); 19 Feb 2009 19:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO desktop1) (simon%optinet.com@69.113.73.210) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 19:32:48 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:32:41 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;3) In-Reply-To: <499DAD0D.2030700@neuropunks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20090219195929.1D7158FC18@mx1.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:59:30 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:03:41 -0500, Max Gribov wrote: >ok what the fuck >this is the third letter i got through this list from this dude. >lawrence, im 3 blocks south of you, and im coming over. this needs to stop. Max, how do you really feel? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 20:41:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C0B1065670 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118788FC12 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:41:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 8393564; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:41:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.213] (account laura@radel.com HELO Macintosh-2.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP id 8393562; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <499DB5EB.2090106@radel.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:41:31 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Carrozzo References: <20090219185443.BOVW18810.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@k4k6l> <2ad0f9f60902191103o5f8f4025v6aecb61506cfa0e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2ad0f9f60902191103o5f8f4025v6aecb61506cfa0e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "My race is just nothing": Some thoughts on the political psychology of women X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:41:39 -0000 Jack Carrozzo wrote: > What the shit is this? Why would you pick this list for it? Hmmm??? Because people like you react to it? Meanwhile the rest of it would greatly appreciate it if you'd trim a bit rather than send us all YET ANOTHER COPY. Oh, and if you trim it all out, your top posting won't be so noticeable and people won't get all cranky about that also. ;-) --Jon Radel