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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:35:13 -0700 Message-ID: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:00:48 -0000 Hello everyone, We're an ISP and we're about to switch to routing with OpenBGP with two different providers. We're just doing some preliminary research and I wanted to ask a few questions for those of you here. How many are running OpenBGPd? Is OpenBGPd the "ideal" platform for BGP on FreeBSD? I've know of Zebra and Quagga but was told that OpenBGPd is the way to go. Anyone have any comments? And finally, does anyone have any suggestions or bits of knowledge that would be helpful for us? This is our first venture in to BGP and if there's anything you wish you'd have known when you started, we'd love to know too. Have a great day everyone, and thank you in advance for the responses. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 13 19:40:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6598B1065B40 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A378FC18 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtS16-0003GJ-NX for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:40:28 -0700 Message-ID: <49E39529.1090300@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:40:25 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:40:30 -0000 Hi, I've looked at OpenBGP off and on over the years, but never actually tried it out. I'm curious on why you decided to make the jump? Thanks, - mike Justin G. wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We're an ISP and we're about to switch to routing with OpenBGP with > two different providers. We're just doing some preliminary research > and I wanted to ask a few questions for those of you here. > > How many are running OpenBGPd? > > Is OpenBGPd the "ideal" platform for BGP on FreeBSD? I've know of > Zebra and Quagga but was told that OpenBGPd is the way to go. Anyone > have any comments? > > And finally, does anyone have any suggestions or bits of knowledge > that would be helpful for us? This is our first venture in to BGP and > if there's anything you wish you'd have known when you started, we'd > love to know too. > > Have a great day everyone, and thank you in advance for the responses. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 13 20:51:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2C61065892 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DA68FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 6935 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2009 20:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freemac.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com) (spork@bway.net@96.57.144.66) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 20:24:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Sprickman X-X-Sender: spork@freemac.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com To: "Justin G." In-Reply-To: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:51:26 -0000 On Mon, 13 Apr 2009, Justin G. wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We're an ISP and we're about to switch to routing with OpenBGP with > two different providers. We're just doing some preliminary research > and I wanted to ask a few questions for those of you here. > > How many are running OpenBGPd? > > Is OpenBGPd the "ideal" platform for BGP on FreeBSD? I've know of > Zebra and Quagga but was told that OpenBGPd is the way to go. Anyone > have any comments? I don't have much to add, but I am very happy this list is active again. I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with either a used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL stuff being the one exception (ATM OC-3). Charles From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 13 21:08:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84705106566C for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from justin@sigsegv.ca) Received: from mail-ew0-f171.google.com (mail-ew0-f171.google.com [209.85.219.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2472D8FC1B for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from justin@sigsegv.ca) Received: by ewy19 with SMTP id 19so2168082ewy.43 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.41.14 with SMTP id o14mr2292608ebo.83.1239656913188; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:08:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E39529.1090300@staff.openaccess.org> References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E39529.1090300@staff.openaccess.org> From: "Justin G." Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:08:18 -0700 Message-ID: <5da021490904131408o74e7366dob39081c2337e032c@mail.gmail.com> To: "Michael DeMan (OA)" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:08:34 -0000 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Michael DeMan (OA) wrote: > Hi, > > I've looked at OpenBGP off and on over the years, but never actually tried > it out. > > I'm curious on why you decided to make the jump? > > Thanks, > > - mike > > > Justin G. wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> We're an ISP and we're about to switch to routing with OpenBGP with >> two different providers. We're just doing some preliminary research >> and I wanted to ask a few questions for those of you here. >> >> How many are running OpenBGPd? >> >> Is OpenBGPd the "ideal" platform for BGP on FreeBSD? I've know of >> Zebra and Quagga but was told that OpenBGPd is the way to go. Anyone >> have any comments? >> >> And finally, does anyone have any suggestions or bits of knowledge >> that would be helpful for us? This is our first venture in to BGP and >> if there's anything you wish you'd have known when you started, we'd >> love to know too. >> >> Have a great day everyone, and thank you in advance for the responses. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Michael, We're making the jump simply because we're becoming multihomed and are working towards routing our own IP addresses. It's something that we are not very experienced with -- uncharted territory. Not so much BGP in general as much as BGP on PC platforms. I'm hoping the experience of those in freebsd-isp can save us a couple headaches as we proceed :-) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 00:20:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC31065676 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED768FC24 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtWO8-0000jl-4x for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <49E3D6C6.3070002@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:20:22 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E39529.1090300@staff.openaccess.org> <5da021490904131408o74e7366dob39081c2337e032c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5da021490904131408o74e7366dob39081c2337e032c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:20:30 -0000 Justin G. wrote: >> >> Justin G. wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> We're an ISP and we're about to switch to routing with OpenBGP with >>> two different providers. We're just doing some preliminary research >>> and I wanted to ask a few questions for those of you here. >>> >>> How many are running OpenBGPd? >>> >>> Is OpenBGPd the "ideal" platform for BGP on FreeBSD? I've know of >>> Zebra and Quagga but was told that OpenBGPd is the way to go. Anyone >>> have any comments? >>> >>> And finally, does anyone have any suggestions or bits of knowledge >>> that would be helpful for us? This is our first venture in to BGP and >>> if there's anything you wish you'd have known when you started, we'd >>> love to know too. >>> >>> Have a great day everyone, and thank you in advance for the responses. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > Hi Michael, > > We're making the jump simply because we're becoming multihomed and are > working towards routing our own IP addresses. It's something that we > are not very experienced with -- uncharted territory. Not so much BGP > in general as much as BGP on PC platforms. I'm hoping the experience > of those in freebsd-isp can save us a couple headaches as we proceed > :-) > > > Hi, and sort of a response on the other post... We run pretty much about 75% FreeBSD+Quagga and 25% Cisco. We ended up choosing Quagga not because we thought it was technically superior to OpenBGP or anything, but because of the consistency in the command line interface. We're a small shop (3-4 employees) so having two completely different sorts of 'syntax / toolsets' to manage routing was just too much trouble. Plus, we run a lot of OSPF as well. - Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 00:24:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA1C1065678 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B8FC24 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtWRV-0001De-IM for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <49E3D793.2090008@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:23:47 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: providing web based DNS management to customers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:24:05 -0000 Hi All, What are folks doing for providing web based DNS management to customers? I've looked at a lot of open source products over time, but never found one that was enough to say "Thats it, lets integrate it!". It always seems that the tricky part is reverse DNS. PowerDNS and other tools (at least a few years ago) offered reasonable support for forward DNS management on a per-user basis, but not reverse, or at least not reverse in the sense that we only want customers to be able to modify the reverse DNS of say a single IP, or a subnet, etc. - Mike From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 00:55:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B71F106566C for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9348FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 89922 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2009 00:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.3.2.41?) (spork@96.57.144.66) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 00:55:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:55:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Sprickman X-X-Sender: spork@hotlap.local To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:55:02 -0000 Howdy, Since the list is alive, I'll try a query here that I've had little luck with using Google, which gives me way too much marketing and zero technical information... With the proliferation of web hosting services being run by everyone and their uncle, I was hoping there were some decent resources as far as simple best practices, but if they are out there, I'm not finding them. My current ISP client and my last full-time ISP both just sell it as it's requested and never rolled out anything on a large scale or implemented any fully "hands off" control panel-based solutions. We're not looking to go there (yet), but I am in the middle of moving our hosting from an old Linux box to a new FreeBSD box. I'm keeping all the legacy stuff in a jail, then trialing a few control panels in other jails. That said, most of the information I'm looking for revolves around security and performance issues, user management, and just what additional php and perl modules to offer as standard. Very basic stuff, but I'm looking for broad outlines and the experience of others... Any good links to share? Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork@bway.net - 212.655.9344 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 02:44:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE129106566C for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) Received: from mail0.albyny.inoc.net (mail0.albyny.inoc.net [64.22.32.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFE48FC16 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:44:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=inoc.net; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date; b=Tc75gPiFXa+nCB/1bIKimZBGt+FbEp9cU2TJbVc5aFvt5YE93mJQbI2NgkrN6fIlAV5WPrOIkgGsqa9lfd3gyEIMsVt8xgj18euHfNh3TDniWBLqDR/T3xLvqxpI0Ed9obJP81U2tqPY7kiUgYJCKE7ORyo8ipjzyS4Kxm6j2MA=; Received: from [172.16.0.200] (cpe-67-240-119-200.nycap.res.rr.com [67.240.119.200]) by mail0.albyny.inoc.net (build v9.2.12) with ESMTP id 1268128-1941382 for multiple; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> From: Robert Blayzor To: Charles Sprickman In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:28:35 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:44:49 -0000 On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > That said, most of the information I'm looking for revolves around > security and performance issues, user management, and just what > additional php and perl modules to offer as standard. Very basic > stuff, but I'm looking for broad outlines and the experience of > others... Might want to save yourself a bunch of trouble and look at something like CPanel. Just install a base FreeBSD 7.x or Linux (ie: CentOS, etc) and away you go. Basically turns the box into an appliance and they have service provider based monthly leasing that's very cost effective. -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 03:21:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F170B106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FB28FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 7027 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2009 03:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.3.2.41?) (spork@96.57.144.66) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 03:21:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Sprickman X-X-Sender: spork@hotlap.local To: Outback Dingo In-Reply-To: <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Robert Blayzor Subject: Re: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:21:17 -0000 On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Outback Dingo wrote: > actually, dont use Cpanel, you can from ports install SysCP or DTC from > ports/sysutils, or a semi-automated install of ispCP which is quite nice, > all open source also. which give you mail/dns/web/ftp management. Yeah, I've recently been looking at the options in that space. My concern with CPs is that: -they do break sometimes, and if you're not up to speed on the whole AMP stack and the CP, you're done -regardless of what CP we go with, we will always have a set of customers that are here because we'll do one-offs for them, and a CP is too restrictive for that That said, the guy that wrote Freeside, which we now use for billing, noted that these open source CPs all look "interesting": GNUPanel http://gnupanel.org/ OpenPanel http://www.openpanel.com/ ispCP Omega http://isp-control.net/ RavenCore http://www.ravencore.com/ Thanks, Charles > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Robert Blayzor wrote: > >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>> That said, most of the information I'm looking for revolves around >>> security and performance issues, user management, and just what additional >>> php and perl modules to offer as standard. Very basic stuff, but I'm >>> looking for broad outlines and the experience of others... >>> >> >> >> >> Might want to save yourself a bunch of trouble and look at something like >> CPanel. Just install a base FreeBSD 7.x or Linux (ie: CentOS, etc) and away >> you go. Basically turns the box into an appliance and they have service >> provider based monthly leasing that's very cost effective. >> >> -- >> Robert Blayzor, BOFH >> INOC, LLC >> rblayzor@inoc.net >> http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 03:31:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F20106566B for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9E68FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so2263994rvb.43 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hf1oK6AFAWq6RjXfnMBvkwLQUJX5aEk960ARA55CHus=; b=XWbuzPy6gKfDuFy8hvL3XKeh5AYQQSC0geXbTcFaGVPkh6/4k7IH/DOpgM4fBAgKu3 SZvRfYpdoSbxL+h8MYxAh7KLv4IeZd3HKz3IJJXGeIAFD3THCKR54ZEKVSru9PwqqvyN SnjfjObbbvz1SJrejdXgc7C2W0EHbxZK76cMQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=PMJdt6GoK44iwAH+FTIMZGJmbR+SlLGCA0Hy0Nc7gaGeVg8wIyGCHDsnhpCIUrve7f iO4BB4nUJq8vWEoSN59NqWSB+QRiNSq0qjREJVX/TrPvanQIXzQysw6wt1qKItvpGtw5 Qxug8/vRT7vdt5fmcqhLZIxXWbho7JVcUmadE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.248.15 with SMTP id v15mr3017075rvh.165.1239678482040; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> References: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:08:02 +0700 Message-ID: <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> From: Outback Dingo To: Robert Blayzor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Charles Sprickman Subject: Re: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:31:49 -0000 actually, dont use Cpanel, you can from ports install SysCP or DTC from ports/sysutils, or a semi-automated install of ispCP which is quite nice, all open source also. which give you mail/dns/web/ftp management. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Robert Blayzor wrote: > On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> That said, most of the information I'm looking for revolves around >> security and performance issues, user management, and just what additional >> php and perl modules to offer as standard. Very basic stuff, but I'm >> looking for broad outlines and the experience of others... >> > > > > Might want to save yourself a bunch of trouble and look at something like > CPanel. Just install a base FreeBSD 7.x or Linux (ie: CentOS, etc) and away > you go. Basically turns the box into an appliance and they have service > provider based monthly leasing that's very cost effective. > > -- > Robert Blayzor, BOFH > INOC, LLC > rblayzor@inoc.net > http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 04:53:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC02106575B for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D428FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outbackdingo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so2287413rvb.43 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/dKPWRfN2I7kagBTSTbLN0jTi3WCA4ZZoNL4l22FzRU=; b=co10pJ1pMJXP3PA9pQZkt4NP/Vy266ZZ4ucoBsI957oiPnD2/LRTa5CUEjcCfmnZsb RecUmNShVqbObJdRQu2SzpOTLvfd7SjE0/wKJXdYY6qYLYAxQPWnd6O1e8v4VF7p7BON +ztCRs0uqYRtdKgLD4JHOQ/u0fD0oljQBvMcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=dT70DRamzsGYlFr2Y2NXE3pHJvMd/5EJ3jqcw8BTkvcM9phz+jP4WOV6Qtz5+woUAa P+yYOu+UtOLNjyZGGn6/38ANA+KqF41CvxpE4zR/a446fAmx9k2wbUA+jp9BlBAt+f9I 7gdnGKAFgS/v68XiTP7b4d2wWzltFcgxfKWms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.106.12 with SMTP id i12mr3054695rvm.59.1239684808569; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:53:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:53:28 +0700 Message-ID: <5635aa0d0904132153u50786dd9v69ac92719d9923c2@mail.gmail.com> From: Outback Dingo To: Charles Sprickman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Robert Blayzor Subject: Re: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:53:29 -0000 yes, ispCP being one that i mentioned and OpenPanel are honestly your best bets, especially if using freeside for billing provisioning On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Outback Dingo wrote: > > actually, dont use Cpanel, you can from ports install SysCP or DTC from >> ports/sysutils, or a semi-automated install of ispCP which is quite nice, >> all open source also. which give you mail/dns/web/ftp management. >> > > Yeah, I've recently been looking at the options in that space. My concern > with CPs is that: > > -they do break sometimes, and if you're not up to speed on the whole AMP > stack and the CP, you're done > -regardless of what CP we go with, we will always have a set of customers > that are here because we'll do one-offs for them, and a CP is too > restrictive for that > > That said, the guy that wrote Freeside, which we now use for billing, noted > that these open source CPs all look "interesting": > > GNUPanel http://gnupanel.org/ > OpenPanel http://www.openpanel.com/ > ispCP Omega http://isp-control.net/ > RavenCore http://www.ravencore.com/ > > Thanks, > > Charles > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Robert Blayzor > >wrote: >> >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >>> >>> That said, most of the information I'm looking for revolves around >>>> security and performance issues, user management, and just what >>>> additional >>>> php and perl modules to offer as standard. Very basic stuff, but I'm >>>> looking for broad outlines and the experience of others... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Might want to save yourself a bunch of trouble and look at something like >>> CPanel. Just install a base FreeBSD 7.x or Linux (ie: CentOS, etc) and >>> away >>> you go. Basically turns the box into an appliance and they have service >>> provider based monthly leasing that's very cost effective. >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Blayzor, BOFH >>> INOC, LLC >>> rblayzor@inoc.net >>> http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ < >>> http://www.inoc.net/%7Erblayzor/> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 09:47:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C1A106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f164.google.com (mail-bw0-f164.google.com [209.85.218.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B1F8FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so2369480bwz.43 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:47:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2W4i5VAbeRZlNC1tEy6avAX5LEjiJtSlL0LxLLq3fdc=; b=NscRCEhwdor9ZP6wXHUJu2ZybOCCWiXd/vfJ5lGA6MbuCoKHGRJmfCTzfs/sf0xl5p x83Lef9wU2zXr94InZ9SKbkPU5bQgmY4WlttRI08wsnx34w/hXSw8X0aFiWaR4mvSkil o7rIy9kctUXQ/C6K143uRnudik6kyhfuxrEmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ebppthk2QkSBoJn85ymC9tWW+s+wglLp3KADaE293ZU2y5WIt0o77bWYEW6gksTsN1 k6BID43nKTQ2wb0r6Bh8FNV5pn0jTX6nIPjF9GOZlRWqEoRP1ujrEoCb2tDjd9w5piRo i77jF4PjjzdUI4faQxJCpXwwglbs3SZVrVelc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.3 with SMTP id y3mr1017299fap.71.1239702420982; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:47:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E3D793.2090008@staff.openaccess.org> References: <49E3D793.2090008@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:47:00 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400904140247ve64e1aay7c114f5aeff3733e@mail.gmail.com> From: Odhiambo Washington To: "Michael DeMan (OA)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: providing web based DNS management to customers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:47:04 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Michael DeMan (OA) < michael@staff.openaccess.org> wrote: > Hi All, > > What are folks doing for providing web based DNS management to customers? > > I've looked at a lot of open source products over time, but never found one > that was enough to say "Thats it, lets integrate it!". > > It always seems that the tricky part is reverse DNS. PowerDNS and other > tools (at least a few years ago) offered reasonable support for forward DNS > management on a per-user basis, but not reverse, or at least not reverse in > the sense that we only want customers to be able to modify the reverse DNS > of say a single IP, or a subnet, etc. Hi Mike, Did you ever take a look at VegaDNS - www.vegadns.org? The last time I checked, IIRC, it allowed adding/modifying _almost_ all types of records. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 09:48:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAF8106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) Received: from mail0.albyny.inoc.net (mail0.albyny.inoc.net [64.22.32.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7DF8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rblayzor.bulk@inoc.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=inoc.net; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date; b=GPNMcdv2sQHvch84xhWvrfI/3PRLvShg/yrO9N9L7a/3Iy4VlkiEdap3plQLT5Fn7hBBqZd0PG+MIaOmcz7wTec01Cun9rymJi9sLE8HpqcxZRc6KJYJ6hmwhEL1ngXUPpr4GiBgk1w3jTbB0AsaWCgIat/vE9lRsKANezQNnLY=; Received: from [172.16.0.200] (cpe-67-240-119-200.nycap.res.rr.com [67.240.119.200]) by mail0.albyny.inoc.net (build v9.2.12) with ESMTP id 1268923-1941382 for multiple; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-Id: From: Robert Blayzor To: Outback Dingo In-Reply-To: <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:48:41 -0400 References: <5F58EE61-2E49-4A51-9760-35965DA9BF08@inoc.net> <5635aa0d0904132008t4ae8285due381e5deb791e4f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Charles Sprickman Subject: Re: web hosting best practices X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:48:51 -0000 On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > actually, dont use Cpanel, you can from ports install SysCP or DTC > from > ports/sysutils, or a semi-automated install of ispCP which is quite > nice, > all open source also. which give you mail/dns/web/ftp management. Apples and Oranges. The $15-$18 a month you have to pay per CPanel instance is peanuts compared to the amount of headache you have with all the other "beta glue". The price is low enough to where if a customer really wanted something specialized we could throw their own CPanel instance in a VM, and away they go... 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GET YOUR free report at: http://anpielbird.com/c/AWxRuSqiUGQu39_Dxl2Obw.html?11 To remove yourself from this list, click here http://anpielbird.com/u/AWxRuSqiUGQu39_Dxl2Obw.html or write to us at: 14525 SW Millikan Way, Unit #14750 Beaverton, Oregon 97005-2343 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 13:04:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B241065691 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAB978FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:04:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31125 invoked by uid 89); 14 Apr 2009 13:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2009 13:12:47 -0000 Message-ID: <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:04:43 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Sprickman References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:04:56 -0000 Charles Sprickman wrote: > I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with either a > used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or > Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... We've been using Quagga (zebra, ospfd, ospf6d, bgpd) for quite some time (due to CLI consistency with Cisco as someone else stated). I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? All we did was light up a couple of Quagga boxes in the lab, and load them up so it replicates our production environment. No problems, we went to production. We test anything new in the lab, and then roll it out if it is stable. I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on a Cisco IOS. > How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days > almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL stuff > being the one exception (ATM OC-3). We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. As for your OC3's: http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html Cheers, Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 13:06:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41741065672 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B4CA8FC1D for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31260 invoked by uid 89); 14 Apr 2009 13:14:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2009 13:14:30 -0000 Message-ID: <49E48A51.8040603@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:06:25 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Odhiambo Washington References: <49E3D793.2090008@staff.openaccess.org> <991123400904140247ve64e1aay7c114f5aeff3733e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <991123400904140247ve64e1aay7c114f5aeff3733e@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: providing web based DNS management to customers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:06:38 -0000 Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Michael DeMan (OA) < > michael@staff.openaccess.org> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> What are folks doing for providing web based DNS management to customers? >> >> I've looked at a lot of open source products over time, but never found one >> that was enough to say "Thats it, lets integrate it!". >> >> It always seems that the tricky part is reverse DNS. PowerDNS and other >> tools (at least a few years ago) offered reasonable support for forward DNS >> management on a per-user basis, but not reverse, or at least not reverse in >> the sense that we only want customers to be able to modify the reverse DNS >> of say a single IP, or a subnet, etc. > > > Hi Mike, > > Did you ever take a look at VegaDNS - www.vegadns.org? > > The last time I checked, IIRC, it allowed adding/modifying _almost_ all > types of records. We've used VegaDNS with TinyDNS/DNSCache for a few years now. I'll test today to see how granular the permissions are regarding the modification of only one record. Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 13:20:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E821065670 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:20:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f132.google.com (mail-qy0-f132.google.com [209.85.221.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A52A8FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:20:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so1791241qyk.3 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:20:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.28.136 with SMTP id m8mr7210058qac.80.1239713292384; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:48:12 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:20:42 -0000 Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other options. -- Dan Langille myYearbook.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 13:56:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F291065672 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:56:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D04038FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 36933 invoked by uid 89); 14 Apr 2009 14:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2009 14:04:42 -0000 Message-ID: <49E49615.7060907@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:56:37 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Odhiambo Washington References: <49E3D793.2090008@staff.openaccess.org> <991123400904140247ve64e1aay7c114f5aeff3733e@mail.gmail.com> <49E48A51.8040603@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49E48A51.8040603@ibctech.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: providing web based DNS management to customers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:56:50 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> Did you ever take a look at VegaDNS - www.vegadns.org? >> >> The last time I checked, IIRC, it allowed adding/modifying _almost_ all >> types of records. > > We've used VegaDNS with TinyDNS/DNSCache for a few years now. I'll test > today to see how granular the permissions are regarding the modification > of only one record. The user/group granularity of the permissions only goes to zone level, not record level. Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 14:39:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6580B106566C for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de) Received: from www94.your-server.de (www94.your-server.de [213.133.104.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148F78FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de) Received: from [84.56.32.199] (helo=[192.168.178.23]) by www94.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LtjLP-0000LA-70; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:10:35 +0200 From: Mathias Picker To: Dan Langille In-Reply-To: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:10:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: mathias.picker@virtual-earth.de X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Could not determin AV Version) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:39:42 -0000 For configuration I'm using puppet and looking into controltier, I have not yet found a real use for inventory. Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 08:48 -0400 schrieb Dan Langille: > Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? > > I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). > > What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, > where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind > of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, > > We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other options. > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 15:13:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E0810657B9 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f132.google.com (mail-qy0-f132.google.com [209.85.221.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567CF8FC16 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so1911033qyk.3 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.80.208 with SMTP id u16mr7431245qak.357.1239722031780; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904140813t6f567903x42a35d56eef03f31@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:13:55 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Mathias Picker wrote: > For configuration I'm using puppet and looking into controltier, I have > not yet found a real use for inventory. Our goal: buy a new box, rack it. It starts up, boots, and configures itself. We do nothing. How does this happen? We already have that new box in our configuration managmenet system. The boot server looks up the box in the inventory and says, oh, you're going to be a web server, here's your details, and connect to this load balancer please. Two weeks later, we can reconfigure that box to be an app server, reboot it, and as it boots up, it gets the new details and self configures. I call it an inventory system not because it is an inventory, but because it's the most appropriate name I can think of. The objective: a list of everything we have. Every part of the system box life cycle goes through this system. We buy: the box gets added to the system. That prompts the configuration etc. Then, when its racked, it's power on and forget. In theory... ;) -- Dan Langille myYearbook.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 15:21:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653CC106566C for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from eu1sys200aog119.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog119.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A5638FC18 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from source ([63.174.175.251]) by eu1sys200aob119.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSeSqCpCUWb3sXD3SgKmzO6aG/zQoW9Li@postini.com; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:21:47 UTC Received: from [0.0.0.0] (suntimes.usdmm.com [172.17.0.57]) by bbbx3.usdmm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B34FD028; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <49E4A4EA.7090809@tomjudge.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:59:54 -0500 From: Tom Judge User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:21:48 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? > > I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). > > What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, > where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind > of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, > > We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other options. > > Hi Dan, We use OCS-Inventory NG, it works reasonably well and supports most OS's. There is an API for it and it integrates with the helpdesk system that we chose for our internal helpdesk (GLPI). Not sure if this is quite what you are looking for, but it will automate the data collection part for you. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 15:37:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3467106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from eu1sys200aog101.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog101.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99BBE8FC18 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from source ([63.174.175.251]) by eu1sys200aob101.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSeStzXgRQgF7ZhLMB6oBYCS4UchrsuZh@postini.com; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:51 UTC Received: from [0.0.0.0] (suntimes.usdmm.com [172.17.0.57]) by bbbx3.usdmm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99638FD019; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <49E4AD01.2060702@tomjudge.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:34:25 -0500 From: Tom Judge User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:52 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? > > I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). > > What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, > where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind > of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, > > We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other options. > > In addition to my last response (which I can't reply to because its not made it back to me yet). We also use RackTables (http://www.racktables.org/) for storing data such as locations, configurations etc.. There is not really any real API for it but the DB is fairly simple to interface with.. The code is not exactly clean, but it works. I have a work in progress rewrite that is based on MVC that I can share. It also has added features for managing package installation sets, and jails, and glue code to interface the package sets to Tinderboxes for binary builds.. Additional glue to hook it into CFEngine to manage jail deployment (via ezjail) and package installation. Let me know if you are interested in any of this.. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 15:45:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A33106566B for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from eu1sys200aog118.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog118.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8F358FC1A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@tomjudge.com) Received: from source ([63.174.175.251]) by eu1sys200aob118.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKSeSvhPhtnPEAJDmwQvqwUY8cdFFUXlba@postini.com; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:45:37 UTC Received: from [0.0.0.0] (suntimes.usdmm.com [172.17.0.57]) by bbbx3.usdmm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E21FFD024; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <49E4AEB9.4020803@tomjudge.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:41:45 -0500 From: Tom Judge User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> In-Reply-To: <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Dan Langille Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:45:38 -0000 Mathias Picker wrote: > For configuration I'm using puppet and looking into controltier, I have > not yet found a real use for inventory. > We use inventory for at least the following: * Licensing Compliance * Helpdesk data collection (what software/hardware etc a user has installed) * Automated data collection for our asset database * One off reporting - e.g. find workstations with less that 1Gb ram so that we can schedule upgrades for them. * A feed back loop for our software deployment systems * Role management server systems * IP Space management and allocation * Role based package deployment and management * Other things that I can't remember off the top of my head... It can be very useful when combined with a nagios, cacti, netdisco, rancid, an asset database and an automation tool like puppet or cfengine. Tom > Am Dienstag, den 14.04.2009, 08:48 -0400 schrieb Dan Langille: > >> Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? >> >> I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). >> >> What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, >> where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind >> of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, >> >> We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other options. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 16:30:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E81065670 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953C68FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n3EGW1fX051544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:32:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <49E4BA1F.8090900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:30:23 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Judge References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <49E4AD01.2060702@tomjudge.com> In-Reply-To: <49E4AD01.2060702@tomjudge.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Dan Langille Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:30 -0000 On 14/4/09 16:34, Tom Judge wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> Are you using a configuration management tool? If so what? >> >> I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). >> >> What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, >> where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. There has to be some kind >> of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, >> >> We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other >> options. >> >> > In addition to my last response (which I can't reply to because its > not made it back to me yet). > > We also use RackTables (http://www.racktables.org/) for storing data > such as locations, configurations etc.. There is not really any real > API for it but the DB is fairly simple to interface with.. > The code is not exactly clean, but it works. I have a work in > progress rewrite that is based on MVC that I can share. It also has > added features for managing package installation sets, and jails, and > glue code to interface the package sets to Tinderboxes for binary > builds.. Additional glue to hook it into CFEngine to manage jail > deployment (via ezjail) and package installation. Let me know if you > are interested in any of this.. > > Tom > was going to suggest looking at http://flux.org.uk/projects/rackmonkey but racktables looks more fully featured. Vince > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 21:07:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946B4106564A for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4728FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 53280 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO office-dhcp-35.bway.net) (spork@216.220.107.35) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 21:07:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Sprickman X-X-Sender: spork@hotlap.local To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:07:51 -0000 On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with either a >> used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or >> Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... > > We've been using Quagga (zebra, ospfd, ospf6d, bgpd) for quite some time > (due to CLI consistency with Cisco as someone else stated). > > I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you > referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? I'm probably reading too much pro-OpenBSD stuff. :) On the OpenBGPd/OSPFd pages there are a good number of technical presentations where they explain how their design diverged from the existing open source routing daemons. I also occasionally peruse some WISP forums, and have seen some horror stories in there, since those guys rely very heavily on homebrew hardware. > All we did was light up a couple of Quagga boxes in the lab, and load > them up so it replicates our production environment. No problems, we > went to production. We test anything new in the lab, and then roll it > out if it is stable. > > I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has > come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on > a Cisco IOS. That's understandable, and something I'd also have to deal with on a used Juniper. FWIW, I can grab loaded M20s for about $6K each. It's very hard to say no at that price. >> How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days >> almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL stuff >> being the one exception (ATM OC-3). > > We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either > USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. Stock FreeBSD or do you pare it down? How do you handle upgrades? Install on another flash card and just reboot to the new card? > As for your OC3's: > > http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html Wow. Those list for what looks like under $1K US. Impressive. Our DSL provider is actually going to be moving from giving us an OC-3 for customer backhaul to a GigE handoff. Details of how this works are still murky though - if they're going to do a VLAN for each customer, I'd think they'd run out of VLANs before running out of bandwidth... Thanks for you input... I appreciate it. Charles > Cheers, > > Steve > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 22:21:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E15106570F for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E348FC24 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:21:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local ([IPv6:2001:470:9099:0:214:51ff:feed:712d]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n3EMNGKB056448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:23:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <49E50C73.6040604@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:21:39 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-GB; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Sprickman References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." , Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:21:55 -0000 On 14/4/09 22:07, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>> I've been toying with the idea of replacing an aging Cisco with >>> either a >>> used Juniper box or a PC running *BSD. Everytime I look at Quagga or >>> Zebra, I'm not impressed. They both sound quite buggy... >> >> We've been using Quagga (zebra, ospfd, ospf6d, bgpd) for quite some time >> (due to CLI consistency with Cisco as someone else stated). >> >> I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you >> referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? > > I'm probably reading too much pro-OpenBSD stuff. :) On the > OpenBGPd/OSPFd pages there are a good number of technical > presentations where they explain how their design diverged from the > existing open source routing daemons. > > I also occasionally peruse some WISP forums, and have seen some horror > stories in there, since those guys rely very heavily on homebrew > hardware. > >> All we did was light up a couple of Quagga boxes in the lab, and load >> them up so it replicates our production environment. No problems, we >> went to production. We test anything new in the lab, and then roll it >> out if it is stable. >> >> I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has >> come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on >> a Cisco IOS. > > That's understandable, and something I'd also have to deal with on a > used Juniper. FWIW, I can grab loaded M20s for about $6K each. It's > very hard to say no at that price. > >>> How many folks here are doing routing on a PC platform? These days >>> almost all the links we need to support are ethernet, with our DSL >>> stuff >>> being the one exception (ATM OC-3). >> >> We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either >> USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. > > Stock FreeBSD or do you pare it down? How do you handle upgrades? > Install on another flash card and just reboot to the new card? > >> As for your OC3's: >> >> http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html > > Wow. Those list for what looks like under $1K US. Impressive. Our > DSL provider is actually going to be moving from giving us an OC-3 for > customer backhaul to a GigE handoff. Details of how this works are > still murky though - if they're going to do a VLAN for each customer, > I'd think they'd run out of VLANs before running out of bandwidth... More likely pppoe sessions, we were looking to move to the 21cn network from BT (we are uk based, BT are the biggest DSL supplier here) which changed from ATM connections (old style) to pppoe in l2tp tunnels on GigE, we tested using 7200's as LNS (L2TP Network Server) because our network manager is a cisco lover :P although I'm reasonably sure net/mpd can do whats needed as an LNS (in fact I used mpd as a LAC to create test sessions to the cisco 7200s using one of the example configs.) Vince > > Thanks for you input... I appreciate it. > > Charles > >> Cheers, >> >> Steve >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 14 22:56:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9680106566B for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B1568FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 94630 invoked by uid 89); 14 Apr 2009 23:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by v6.ibctech.ca with ESMTPA; 14 Apr 2009 23:04:14 -0000 Message-ID: <49E51488.9010202@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:56:08 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Sprickman References: <5da021490904131135k7c78b2few5c48ee8b0a001e5@mail.gmail.com> <49E489EB.2090802@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, "Justin G." Subject: Re: BGP with OpenBGPd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:56:22 -0000 Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> I don't understand how they "sound" buggy. What exactly are you >> referring to? Which pieces are you concerned with? > > I'm probably reading too much pro-OpenBSD stuff. :) On the > OpenBGPd/OSPFd pages there are a good number of technical presentations > where they explain how their design diverged from the existing open > source routing daemons. > > I also occasionally peruse some WISP forums, and have seen some horror > stories in there, since those guys rely very heavily on homebrew hardware. I've heard things as well regarding the back-and-forth of Quagga vs. OpenBSD, but as I said...Quagga works, for *my* environment without any issues whatsoever. >> I've yet to find a bug. Every time I think I've found something, it has >> come down to a simple inconsistency between how I'd do the same thing on >> a Cisco IOS. > > That's understandable, and something I'd also have to deal with on a > used Juniper. FWIW, I can grab loaded M20s for about $6K each. It's > very hard to say no at that price. Agreed. However, considering you are already contemplating using PC hardware for the job, I'd still lab-it-up. There's not much better feeling than knowing that you have backup hardware at your fingertips if a router fails. Even at $6k a pop, the budget police usually don't understand line-items such as 'spare routers' :) >> We run ~1/2 of our routers on FBSD based hardware that run from either >> USB thumb stick, or CF/SD cards. > > Stock FreeBSD or do you pare it down? Years ago, it was quite pared down, to < 32MB. Now, it's generally a stock install with a modified make.conf that trims documentation and other cruft. > How do you handle upgrades? > Install on another flash card and just reboot to the new card? Depends on the upgrade. They all begin the same way, by inserting another flash card and using "dd" to image the running system onto the backup. I do this twice onto two separate cards. In my lab, I have a few PC's that I use exclusively for testing routing functions. Some are build boxes, and others are actually used for booting the routing system. For upgrading routing daemons, I insert the backup card into one of my build machines (that runs it's own host OS), mount the card to /mnt, and generally install from ports (using the hacked make.conf). Then I remove the upgraded flash card, boot one of the lab routers with it, and test to ensure all is well. I then (on the running test router), insert the secondary backup card, and copy ONLY the modified files (usually only binaries) on top of the old files manually. I reboot using the secondary card as the boot device, and if things come up, then I simply copy the binaries onto the production router, and reload the daemons. Upgrading the daemons does not happen often, but when new functionality comes out (such as md5 for bgpd), this system works fantastically. For the OS, a similar approach is used, but since I do have to reboot the router for kernel changes, I do simply swap out the memory card to a tested, upgraded one after building it on the build machine with DESTDIR=/mnt. Doing the OS doesn't happen all that often either though. I treat the FBSD routers the same way I do the Cisco's, using management & control plane access restrictions everywhere. The FBSD routers are simply that...routers. I've been typing pretty quickly while thinking about other things, so I'm sure that there are pieces I've missed ;) >> As for your OC3's: >> >> http://www.prosum.net/atm155_E.html > > Wow. Those list for what looks like under $1K US. Impressive. Our DSL > provider is actually going to be moving from giving us an OC-3 for > customer backhaul to a GigE handoff. Details of how this works are > still murky though - if they're going to do a VLAN for each customer, > I'd think they'd run out of VLANs before running out of bandwidth... We don't do DSL out of our PoPs, as we pretty much wholesale through a couple of other companies. That said, I know two of which aggregate over Gi, so I'll ask them for info regarding how the separation works. Cheers! Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 15 05:35:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C9C106566B for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37F178FC17 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 11262 invoked by uid 89); 15 Apr 2009 05:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 15 Apr 2009 05:35:04 -0000 Message-ID: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:53 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IPv6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:35:05 -0000 Thankfully, I have a couple of feeds that I announce my IPv6 address space to. I've been pretty much using v6 for myself, and within the core. I'm now starting to push it out toward the edge a little further, and want to get a gauge on what kind of upload I can get from it at this point. I'm expecting < 1Mbps. Given such, I'm still happy, since I do not have native access, and rely on a couple of spectacular people who allow me to BGP peer with them over IPv6IP tunnels. What I'd like to know is if anyone with v6 access could demonstrate a crude test of throughput by attempting to download the following file. The file was created by "mkfile", so it is random garbage. If you would be so kind as to not bother with this test if you do not have IPv6, I will be most appreciative. I'm interested in avg Kbps download rate. The file is 5GB, so cutting it off midstream may be prudent. http://ibctech.ca/bigfile From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 15 13:37:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1581065670 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564388FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [192.168.213.128] (jn@stealth.jnielsen.net [74.218.226.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n3FD9TD1077353; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:09:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200904150909.29152.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: IPv6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:37:52 -0000 On Wednesday 15 April 2009 01:34:53 am Steve Bertrand wrote: > Thankfully, I have a couple of feeds that I announce my IPv6 address > space to. > > I've been pretty much using v6 for myself, and within the core. I'm now > starting to push it out toward the edge a little further, and want to > get a gauge on what kind of upload I can get from it at this point. > > I'm expecting < 1Mbps. Given such, I'm still happy, since I do not have > native access, and rely on a couple of spectacular people who allow me > to BGP peer with them over IPv6IP tunnels. > > What I'd like to know is if anyone with v6 access could demonstrate a > crude test of throughput by attempting to download the following file. > The file was created by "mkfile", so it is random garbage. I'm not an ISP (I just play one on TV), but I have an IPv6 link through a tunnel broker (Hurricane Electric) on my FreeBSD router and it advertises routes to my LAN. Average ping times to my tunnel peer from the router are just over 30 ms. Ping times to ibctech.ca from a workstation on my LAN (running IPv6) were about 70 ms. I'm using an asymmetric cable connection with 5Mbit/s down and 768Kbit/s up. I was able to mostly saturate my connection downloading your big file. Download speed on the workstation (unscientifically reported by Firefox) got as high as 580KByte/s with 570KByte/s sustained much of the time. That's as fast as I can ever download anything using IPv4. The speed did dip to 200-300 KB/s a couple times but it went back up above 500 relatively quickly. HTH, JN From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 15 13:52:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC5A1065673 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@crepinc.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C088FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@crepinc.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so2156873qwb.7 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.19 with SMTP id n19mr31228qck.74.1239802120435; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:28:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> References: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <2ad0f9f60904150628i17de2569n71ac210f8801455c@mail.gmail.com> From: Jack Carrozzo To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:52:11 -0000 I get 8-10mbit on it in NYC (via v6, of course). Cheers, -Jack Carrozzo On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Thankfully, I have a couple of feeds that I announce my IPv6 address > space to. > > I've been pretty much using v6 for myself, and within the core. I'm now > starting to push it out toward the edge a little further, and want to > get a gauge on what kind of upload I can get from it at this point. > > I'm expecting < 1Mbps. Given such, I'm still happy, since I do not have > native access, and rely on a couple of spectacular people who allow me > to BGP peer with them over IPv6IP tunnels. > > What I'd like to know is if anyone with v6 access could demonstrate a > crude test of throughput by attempting to download the following file. > The file was created by "mkfile", so it is random garbage. > > If you would be so kind as to not bother with this test if you do not > have IPv6, I will be most appreciative. I'm interested in avg Kbps > download rate. The file is 5GB, so cutting it off midstream may be prudent. > > http://ibctech.ca/bigfile > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 16 16:34:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF30106567A for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A88658FC26 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 79277 invoked by uid 89); 16 Apr 2009 16:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 16 Apr 2009 16:35:00 -0000 Message-ID: <49E75E22.9000504@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:34:42 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Carrozzo References: <49E571FD.40807@ibctech.ca> <2ad0f9f60904150628i17de2569n71ac210f8801455c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2ad0f9f60904150628i17de2569n71ac210f8801455c@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:34:52 -0000 Jack Carrozzo wrote: > I get 8-10mbit on it in NYC (via v6, of course). Thanks to all those who tested for me. I'm quite content with 8-10mbit at this time, given the nature of my setup. It looks like both of my transit connections peaked at 8-10mbps concurrently during the time that people were testing. Cheers, Steve