From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 04:51:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC76D106564A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from kerplunk.tbe.net (kerplunk.tbe.net [207.99.112.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C338FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from [192.168.16.119] (nac-gw.spatzie.org [70.47.22.243]) (Authenticated sender: gary) by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9AD79B8DE5 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49ED4C91.5020307@tbe.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:33:21 -0400 From: "Gary D. Margiotta" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Services swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:51:52 -0000 Had an issue at the datacenter we're colo'd at today, power related, took out the whole rack. Is there anyone who might be interested in "trading VM's"? Basically I'd like to have a server instance outside of our general area where I can run a small DNS footprint and nagios. The reciprocation would be to host a VM for someone else in return for the same services, or something similar. Would be low traffic, probably 100Kbps at most (~30GB traffic total). I can supply a built VM for pretty much any of the major vendors, 16GB max footprint. Anyone interested? -Gary From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 05:49:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA92C106566C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from cp8.openaccess.org (cp8.openaccess.org [66.114.42.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE438FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org ([66.114.32.149] helo=DeMan.local) by cp8.openaccess.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lw8rb-00033s-Mo for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: <49ED5E76.9030006@staff.openaccess.org> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:49:42 -0700 From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <49ED4C91.5020307@tbe.net> In-Reply-To: <49ED4C91.5020307@tbe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp8.openaccess.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - staff.openaccess.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Services swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:49:43 -0000 Sure, We would love do something like that. We would be doing the exact same sort of thing - DNS, backup MX, ZenOSS watching our network from the 'outside'. - mike Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > Had an issue at the datacenter we're colo'd at today, power related, > took out the whole rack. > > Is there anyone who might be interested in "trading VM's"? Basically > I'd like to have a server instance outside of our general area where I > can run a small DNS footprint and nagios. The reciprocation would be to > host a VM for someone else in return for the same services, or something > similar. > > Would be low traffic, probably 100Kbps at most (~30GB traffic total). I > can supply a built VM for pretty much any of the major vendors, 16GB max > footprint. > > Anyone interested? > > -Gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 12:08:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6052106566B for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58D4E8FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 87284 invoked by uid 89); 21 Apr 2009 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 21 Apr 2009 12:09:39 -0000 Message-ID: <49EDB759.6010306@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:08:57 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael DeMan (OA)" References: <49ED4C91.5020307@tbe.net> <49ED5E76.9030006@staff.openaccess.org> In-Reply-To: <49ED5E76.9030006@staff.openaccess.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Services swap X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:08:57 -0000 Michael DeMan (OA) wrote: > Sure, > > We would love do something like that. We would be doing the exact same > sort of thing - DNS, backup MX, ZenOSS watching our network from the > 'outside'. I'm in for something like this as well, especially for IPv6 services. Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 12:47:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8E6106564A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09678FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so1829824qyk.3 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:47:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.19.141 with SMTP id a13mr7540560qab.60.1240318030361; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:47:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E4A4EA.7090809@tomjudge.com> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <49E4A4EA.7090809@tomjudge.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:47:10 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904210547y16584b4dx2eaee36a43842be1@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: Tom Judge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:47:13 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Tom Judge wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> >> Are you using a configuration management tool? =A0If so what? >> >> I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). >> >> What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, >> where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. =A0There has to be some kind >> of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, >> >> We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other >> options. >> >> > > Hi Dan, > > We use OCS-Inventory NG, =A0it works reasonably well and supports most OS= 's. For the archives: the inventory system makes use of an agent to obtain details such as RAM, HDD, etc. The system also contains a package deployment solution. The agent seems to run on a wide variety of systems. It reminded me of Nagios and its nrpe. I don't see the ability to collect assets into racks, figure out what ports on box A are connected to what ports on box B. Not to diminish the capabilities of the system, this seems like a very good solution for administering an office network. It does not seem to have anyway to group systems into racks. For us, this is a key requirement. > There is an API for it and it integrates with the helpdesk system that we > chose for our internal helpdesk (GLPI). > > Not sure if this is quite what you are looking for, =A0but it will automa= te > the data collection part for you. That looked very powerful. Thank you. --=20 Dan Langille myYearbook.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 12:59:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E076810656B5 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53488FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:59:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so1839275qyk.3 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:59:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.73.196 with SMTP id r4mr7561724qaj.318.1240318785097; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:59:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E4BA1F.8090900@unsane.co.uk> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <49E4AD01.2060702@tomjudge.com> <49E4BA1F.8090900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:59:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904210559o63f17a3ble56f4282d1eaa0f9@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: Vincent Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Tom Judge , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:59:46 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Vincent Hoffman wrot= e: > On 14/4/09 16:34, Tom Judge wrote: >> Dan Langille wrote: >>> Are you using a configuration management tool? =A0If so what? >>> >>> I don't mean a tool to manage /etc/rc.conf (for example). >>> >>> What I'm looking for is something to keep track of all the hardware, >>> where it's installed, mac addresses, etc. =A0There has to be some kind >>> of API into it so we can plug utilize our existing processes, >>> >>> We are looking at http://onecmdb.org/ but I'm wondering about other >>> options. >>> >>> >> In addition to my last response (which I can't reply to because its >> not made it back to me yet). >> >> We also use RackTables (http://www.racktables.org/) for storing data >> such as locations, configurations etc.. =A0There is not really any real >> API for it but the DB is fairly simple to interface with.. >> The code is not exactly clean, but it works. =A0I have a work in >> progress rewrite that is based on MVC that I can share. =A0It also has >> added features for managing package installation sets, and jails, and >> glue code to interface the package sets to Tinderboxes for binary >> builds.. Additional glue to hook it into CFEngine to manage jail >> deployment (via ezjail) and package installation. =A0Let me know if you >> are interested in any of this.. >> >> Tom >> > was going to suggest looking at http://flux.org.uk/projects/rackmonkey > but racktables looks more fully featured. > > Vince We agree. :) I did install RackMonkey. For me, personally, I like that it can use PostgreSQL (as well as SQLite and MySQL). RackMonkey did not have the level of details we require. For example, I didn't see a way to specify MAC address or ports on a given system. If I was to use RackMonkey, I think the first thing I'd do is write a clear installation document. Regardless, thanks Vince. --=20 Dan Langille myYearbook.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 13:05:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EBA1065677 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E878FC13 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so1844435qyk.3 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:05:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.78 with SMTP id w14mr7574723qad.117.1240319157507; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:05:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E4A4EA.7090809@tomjudge.com> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <49E4A4EA.7090809@tomjudge.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904210605t294f61d6t7f1aed8475f0854b@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: Tom Judge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:05:59 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Tom Judge wrote: > We use OCS-Inventory NG, =A0it works reasonably well and supports most OS= 's. I forgot to mention: It's also in ports: http://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/ocsinventory-ng/ http://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/ocsinventory-agent/ NOTE: 1.0.2 was released yesterday. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 21 20:00:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355CF106566C for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2798FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:00:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlangille@myyearbook.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so991968qwe.7 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.46.8 with SMTP id h8mr8323925qaf.181.1240344055397; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6dd019370904140813t6f567903x42a35d56eef03f31@mail.gmail.com> References: <6dd019370904140548n783825f6ub53c205dfd152689@mail.gmail.com> <1239718230.2192.19.camel@mp.virtual-earth.de> <6dd019370904140813t6f567903x42a35d56eef03f31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: <6dd019370904211300l2ca8bfecw5bf8a7b628556a23@mail.gmail.com> From: Dan Langille To: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: inventory / configuration management tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:00:56 -0000 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Dan Langille w= rote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Mathias Picker > wrote: >> For configuration I'm using puppet and looking into controltier, I have >> not yet found a real use for inventory. > > Our goal: buy a new box, rack it. =A0It starts up, boots, and configures = itself. > We do nothing. Offlist, someone said I was dreaming. He thought I looking for an app to do all this. We don't expect to find an app to do that. What we expect to find is an app that can inventory. :) Map ports. etc. The 'boot and forget' part is something we'd build, and hook it into the inventory system. --=20 Dan Langille myYearbook.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 22 04:19:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA43106564A for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8D18FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: (qmail 81088 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 2009 04:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.3.2.41?) 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For more information on why you received this message please visit: http://www.corp.google.com/ops/sysops/services/email/filtering/spam-virus/end_user.html#virusoverview For specific questions about this policy, or if this is a matter requiring the attention of a human, open a Helpdesk ticket. ******************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 24 23:53:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9E106564A for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.mgwigglesworth.com (mail.mgwigglesworth.com [75.146.26.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B91E8FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:22:51 -0400 Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> From: "Martes Wigglesworth" Organization: MGW Networks Received: from [192.168.5.12] (192.168.5.12 [192.168.5.12]) by mail.mgwigglesworth.com; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:22:49 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Organization: M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3-1.3mdv2008.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: martes@mgwigglesworth.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:53:35 -0000 Greetings list. I was just wondering, why don't they just run spamassassin on the freebsd lists servers????? I would cut down on spam, and I doubt would be any overhead if it were simply updated. The servers are sitting in a datacenter somewhere being managed by someone, I don't care how "donated" the server time is. What happens when there is a hardware failure??? I am sure that we are not talking to each other on a freebsd 3.0 release, so why don't they just install, and use spammassassin to capture this obvious spam??? Or am I just miss informed about how these porn, sex-toy commercials, oh, and don't forget the racist/antysemetic political garbage that come through every month or so??? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 00:29:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8FF1065670 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE788FC14 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (maia-1.hub.org [200.46.208.211]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB3453BC6F; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:15 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.211]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67610-03; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7C47853BC3C; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784B053BC38; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:14 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:14 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Martes Wigglesworth In-Reply-To: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20090424211522.Q84471@hub.org> References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:29:56 -0000 On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: > Greetings list. > > I was just wondering, why don't they just run spamassassin on the > freebsd lists servers????? I would cut down on spam, and I doubt would > be any overhead if it were simply updated. The servers are sitting in a > datacenter somewhere being managed by someone, I don't care how > "donated" the server time is. What happens when there is a hardware > failure??? I am sure that we are not talking to each other on a freebsd > 3.0 release, so why don't they just install, and use spammassassin to > capture this obvious spam??? Or am I just miss informed about how these > porn, sex-toy commercials, oh, and don't forget the racist/antysemetic > political garbage that come through every month or so??? As much as I agree it is annoying to see, why isn't your spamassassin installed / running against your own mailbox picking it up and getting rid of it? I run MAIA Amavisd here, which captures *alot* of the spam, but find alot of the various spam's still slip through ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 01:13:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F0010656EE for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F9F18FC13 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:13:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 56310 invoked by uid 110); 25 Apr 2009 00:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO desktop1) (simon%optinet.com@69.113.73.210) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 25 Apr 2009 00:46:39 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:46:39 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;3) In-Reply-To: <20090424211522.Q84471@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090425011322.7F9F18FC13@mx1.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:13:24 -0000 On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:18:14 -0300 (ADT), Marc G. Fournier wrote: >On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: >> Greetings list. >> >> I was just wondering, why don't they just run spamassassin on the >> freebsd lists servers????? I would cut down on spam, and I doubt would >> be any overhead if it were simply updated. The servers are sitting in a >> datacenter somewhere being managed by someone, I don't care how >> "donated" the server time is. What happens when there is a hardware >> failure??? I am sure that we are not talking to each other on a freebsd >> 3.0 release, so why don't they just install, and use spammassassin to >> capture this obvious spam??? Or am I just miss informed about how these >> porn, sex-toy commercials, oh, and don't forget the racist/antysemetic >> political garbage that come through every month or so??? >As much as I agree it is annoying to see, why isn't your spamassassin >installed / running against your own mailbox picking it up and getting rid >of it? >I run MAIA Amavisd here, which captures *alot* of the spam, but find alot >of the various spam's still slip through ... >---- >Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org >Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" SpamAssassin marks messages received from this mailing list with RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED -4 which pretty much whitelists any spam sent to the list. -Simon From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 02:22:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC001065670 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A318FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LxXX9-000Mus-G0; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:22:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:22:27 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Martes Wigglesworth Message-ID: <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:22:28 -0000 On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 07:22:51PM -0400, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: > Greetings list. > > I was just wondering, why don't they just run spamassassin on the > freebsd lists servers????? I would cut down on spam, and I doubt would > be any overhead if it were simply updated. As far as I am aware, they do run SpamAssassin on the listserv box. And also as far as I'm aware, if they were NOT running SA, you'd likely see upwards of a hundred spam messages a day getting through. Note that no A/S technology has a 100% catch rate, and as the volume of spam goes up, the volume of false negatives must also go up and hence you're seeing more spam. Its just the current round in the never-ending war against spam. Regards, Gary From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 18:00:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76BE106566C for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) Received: from mail.mgwigglesworth.com (mail.mgwigglesworth.net [75.146.26.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C0A8FC14 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martes@mgwigglesworth.com) To: Gary Palmer Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:59:48 -0400 References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> Message-ID: <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> From: "martes" Organization: MGW Networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebCit 7.37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:00:27 -0000 Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever someone=20= asks about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff that wa= s posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone alwa= ys brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any manage= ment at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack of supervision, or spam protocals... =20 Thanks for the reply. >Fri Apr 24 2009 22:22:27 EDT from Gary Palmer to Martes Wigglesworth =20 >Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? > >On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 07:22:51PM -0400, Martes Wigglesworth wrote: > >>> Greetings list. >>> >>> I was just wondering, why don't they just run spamassassin on the >>> freebsd lists servers????? I would cut down on spam, and I doubt wou= ld >>> be any overhead if it were simply updated. >> > >As far as I am aware, they do run SpamAssassin on the listserv box. >And also as far as I'm aware, if they were NOT running SA, you'd >likely see upwards of a hundred spam messages a day getting through. > >Note that no A/S technology has a 100% catch rate, and as the volume >of spam goes up, the volume of false negatives must also go up >and hence you're seeing more spam. Its just the current round in >the never-ending war against spam. > >Regards, > >Gary > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 18:41:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DA0106573E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jpaetzel@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E488FC26 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jpaetzel@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6035C320EDC; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:22:06 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: G3ceWpqnMdAEW1Gswn89vdtVyPFHi/Q0ACiihmSWLfqb 1240683725 Received: from 174-159-123-127.pools.spcsdns.net (174-159-123-127.pools.spcsdns.net [174.159.123.127]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 089BF3EE1A; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Josh Paetzel To: martes In-Reply-To: <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:22:24 -0500 References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:41:03 -0000 On Apr 25, 2009, at 12:59 PM, martes wrote: > Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever > someone asks > about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff > that was > posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone > always > brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any > management > at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack of > supervision, or spam protocals... The FreeBSD mail hubs drop an incredible amount of spam. I don't know what the percentage of spam is that makes it through, but it's really really low. Yes, there are some that get through that seem pretty obvious to a human, unfortunately we don't have any humans to sit and sift through the thousands and thousands of emails that hit the mx hosts every day. No anti spam system is perfect, you make choices that affect how much spam gets through, versus how much legitimate mail gets dropped. The ratio of spam to legitimate mail that makes it through is probably in the hundreth of a percent range. Instead of complaining, or saying completely asinine things like "there is no anti spam on the lists" maybe send a thank you to postmaster@ that the lists are as usable as they are. How hard is it to just hit delete? Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 19:00:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCC71065672 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E3D28FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 97134 invoked by uid 89); 25 Apr 2009 19:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2009 19:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <49F35DD2.2090703@ibctech.ca> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:00:34 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Paetzel References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, martes Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:00:24 -0000 Josh Paetzel wrote: > Instead of complaining, or saying completely asinine things like "there > is no anti spam on the lists" maybe send a thank you to postmaster@ that > the lists are as usable as they are. Or, offer to provide funding and/or resources for research into how you think the current system could be made better. > How hard is it to just hit delete? ...as easy as it is to un-subscribe if one doesn't like the spam ;) Steve ps. Great work Postmasters... I think you have been doing a hell of a fantastic job. pps. If the OP is complaining about spam, that must mean that his attempts at running SA at his email edge have failed just as spectacularly. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 19:17:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398101065675 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C3D7A8FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 97596 invoked by uid 89); 25 Apr 2009 19:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2009 19:18:01 -0000 Message-ID: <49F361E7.6000309@ibctech.ca> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:17:59 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IPv6, again X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:17:48 -0000 Hey all, I'm interested in knowing if there is anyone here who would be interested in trading with me both an IPv6 ebgp-multihop peering arrangement, and a FBSD VM. I'd like to test some extreme edge-case BGP configuration options on the IPv6 side of things, but would like to have the 'feel' of knowing that I'm not working internally with a private AS and internal hardware, and gain a little experience of dealing with an external party on the subject. What I'm thinking is slicing off a /48 of my space at my edge, peering multi-hop, having a VM within a /64 of that space, and using it to play back and forth. I would like the entire path (vm to vm) to be v6 only. I'd like to test not only BGP parameter cases, but have a pure v6-only vm setup to someone else, where we each have full root to both sides to perform testing of things like application support, latency etc (the vm would be CLI only). Anyone interested in such a trial here? Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 20:16:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89C31065675 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6058FC17 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1LxoIt-0000Vy-2U; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:16:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:16:50 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: martes Message-ID: <20090425201650.GC79909@in-addr.com> References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:16:52 -0000 On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:59:48PM -0400, martes wrote: > Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever someone asks > about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff that was > posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone always > brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any management > at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack of > supervision, or spam protocals... 1) Please do not top post 2) There are only two known methods for dropping 100% of spam 2a) Have a human sit and read every single e-mail and make a judgement call that only a human can do as to the messages legitimacy. I am not aware of any organization anywhere in the world that has managed to get that system to scale to any volume. 2b) Turn off your SMTP server The lists are not *moderated*, other than the -announce lists and freebsd-security-notifications. Most of the lists are open to all posters and not just list members as not everyone who wants to be involved in the project or who uses FreeBSD in some capacity subscribes to the lists. The exception to that is freebsd-security. However do not take the lack of enforcement at the mailing list level as there being no anti-spam measures. There are a variety of A/S measures in place that protect not only the mailing list servers but all freebsd.org e-mail addresses. If you, or anyone else, feels that they could contribute to the defeat of spam on the FreeBSD lists (e.g. by being an active moderator with a long-term commitment to minimising delays in posting caused by the moderation system) then please feel free to offer your services to the postmaster team. Regards, Gary From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 25 20:32:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64721065672 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7682B8FC24 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 99641 invoked by uid 89); 25 Apr 2009 20:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 25 Apr 2009 20:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <49F3737D.9030704@ibctech.ca> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:33:01 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Palmer References: <1240615371.6029.34.camel@localhost> <20090425022227.GB79909@in-addr.com> <0000054941@mail.mgwigglesworth.com> <20090425201650.GC79909@in-addr.com> In-Reply-To: <20090425201650.GC79909@in-addr.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, martes Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:32:51 -0000 Gary Palmer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:59:48PM -0400, martes wrote: >> Sorry if this seems like a blinded assumption, however, whenever someone asks >> about the origin of explicit spam, such as the anti-semetic stuff that was >> posting to the list from an obviously mangled header source, someone always >> brings up that the lists are not proctared, as if there is not any management >> at all, and such obvious garbage is just going to post due to lack of >> supervision, or spam protocals... > > 1) Please do not top post > > 2) There are only two known methods for dropping 100% of spam > > 2a) Have a human sit and read every single e-mail and make a judgement > call that only a human can do as to the messages legitimacy. I am > not aware of any organization anywhere in the world that has > managed to get that system to scale to any volume. > > 2b) Turn off your SMTP server > > The lists are not *moderated*, other than the -announce lists and > freebsd-security-notifications. Most of the lists are open to > all posters and not just list members as not everyone who wants > to be involved in the project or who uses FreeBSD in some capacity > subscribes to the lists. The exception to that is freebsd-security. > > However do not take the lack of enforcement at the mailing list > level as there being no anti-spam measures. There are a variety > of A/S measures in place that protect not only the mailing list > servers but all freebsd.org e-mail addresses. > > If you, or anyone else, feels that they could contribute to the defeat > of spam on the FreeBSD lists (e.g. by being an active moderator with > a long-term commitment to minimising delays in posting caused by > the moderation system) then please feel free to offer your services > to the postmaster team. Amen to every single point in every single one of your comments. I'm sure that you will provide an update with those who respond to your request, that have both operational qualifications, and the time to spare, within the coming days... :) Steve ps. apologies for the sarcasm, but this is an ISP list for ISP operations people (so I thought). Perhaps the FBSD mail spam system has a ``qualified admit'' rule or something that they could apply. Cheers Gary, keep up the great work.