From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 4 22:22:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5871065670 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6398FC26 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A65F0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.101.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44MM9qi036713; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44MM7AU023978; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:22:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n44MLmpI067156; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:21:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200905042221.n44MLmpI067156@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Mike Tibor From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:14 -0800." <20090428121050.F91785@alpha.tibor.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 00:21:48 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:22:18 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Mike Tibor > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:14 -0800 (AKDT) > Message-id: <20090428121050.F91785@alpha.tibor.org> Mike Tibor wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > My 2c: Bad idea: Moderators. > > Romans knew long before us: "Quis custodes custodiensis?" > > But others with 2c like moderators, sadly. > > > > Moderation is a tedious bike shed argument, comes up on loads of > > FreeBSD lists periodically, for one compromise idea (just moderate > > the unsusbscribed), see suggestion found by google from: Rich > > Kulawiec to hardware list recently: > > http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.freebsd.hardware/browse_thread/thread/c698d9cd3ca2bd9e/f74bcf1e3e95bdd9?lnk=raot > > > > However probably all would agree: > > Volunteer to help postmaster@freebsd.org team on automatic tools > > if you have skill & time. > > I can certainly see why moderation wouldn't be practical, but I've always > been curious why the -isp list has had an open posting policy. You would > think that those using FreeBSD in an ISP environment wouldn't be put off > by having to subscribe to the list in order to post a question, but maybe > that's a bad assumption. > > Obviously you wouldn't want that for many of the other lists, but for more > specialized lists like this one, I'm genuinely curious why they're open. > > Mike Personaly, I wouldnt mind if all FreeBSD lists only accepted postings from subscribers ( that's what I do for lists I run on majordomo @ berklix.org ) However: 1) As the postmaster@ team @freebsd.org have achieved pretty good spam rejection most of the time, presumambly they don't feel the need. 2) It wouldn't block all spam, Lists gets archived on various web sites, (not just @freebsd.org) & I recall some webs dont mask senders address. ( & if any people receive lists on MicroS..t, & they get virus scanned, same info there), So spam crawlers could harvest sender addresses & masquerade. (Smaller target audiences, but if enough in aggregate, & using semi recognised senders names ... Fortunately not too much targeted spam ... yet ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 8 10:44:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA4B106564A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from smtp.1stinfosystems.com (ns1.1stinfosystems.com [207.178.197.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDCE8FC08 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from mail pickup service by smtp.1stinfosystems.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 May 2009 03:44:01 -0700 From: "Jeff Kelley, DDS" X-NEWSLETTER1R: pTmmgXO3F4C78zgpFlpFOOcGt+c= X-NEWSLETTER2A: 000036084 To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 03:43:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 10:44:01.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[E659F100:01C9CFC9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jakelleydds@sbcglobal.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 10:44:16 -0000 Greetings from Jeff Kelley, DDS! Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly Periodontal disease can go on for years without pain and without detect= ion unless specific examination procedures are performed=2E Visual oral= examination by itself (even by a dentist) will not reliably detect per= iodontal disease until it has reached an advanced stage=2E Early detection and adequate diagnosis require measurement of pockets (= the crevice between the tooth and gum) with a periodontal probe=2E Effe= ctive prevention and treatment is available, but the damage caused as t= he disease progresses is irreversible=2E Early detection and treatment is critical to prevent tooth loss and dis= figurement=2E Although the procedure is simple, painless and requires o= nly a few minutes, millions of American adults have never had it done=2E Signs of periodontal disease include bleeding gums, redness of gum tiss= ue, swelling of gums around the teeth, breath odor, receding gums, mobi= lity of teeth=2E If you have questions regarding periodontal disease, please call our of= fice at (817)877-1651 or email us at jakelleydds@sbcglobal=2Enet today=2E Best Regards, Jeff Kelley, DDS P=2ES=2E If you have any friends or family members who you feel could u= se our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us=2E We'll be= sure to take good care of them=2E From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 8 11:30:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1091106564A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from smtp.1stinfosystems.com (ns1.1stinfosystems.com [207.178.197.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C828FC08 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from mail pickup service by smtp.1stinfosystems.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 May 2009 04:30:15 -0700 From: "Dr. Josh Leute" X-NEWSLETTER1R: pTmmgXO3F4C78zgpFlpFOOcGt+c= X-NEWSLETTER2A: 000036191 To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <6a4c4a050d5d454d825e58859bc5f264@1stnewsletters.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 04:30:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 11:30:15.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B7C74C0:01C9CFD0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: drleute@familydentistportwashington.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:30:14 -0000 Greetings from Dr=2E Josh Leute! Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly Periodontal disease can go on for years without pain and without detect= ion unless specific examination procedures are performed=2E Visual oral= examination by itself (even by a dentist) will not reliably detect per= iodontal disease until it has reached an advanced stage=2E Early detection and adequate diagnosis require measurement of pockets (= the crevice between the tooth and gum) with a periodontal probe=2E Effe= ctive prevention and treatment is available, but the damage caused as t= he disease progresses is irreversible=2E Early detection and treatment is critical to prevent tooth loss and dis= figurement=2E Although the procedure is simple, painless and requires o= nly a few minutes, millions of American adults have never had it done=2E Signs of periodontal disease include bleeding gums, redness of gum tiss= ue, swelling of gums around the teeth, breath odor, receding gums, mobi= lity of teeth=2E If you have questions regarding periodontal disease, please call our of= fice at (262)284-5884 or email us at drleute@familydentistportwashingto= n=2Ecom today=2E Best Regards, Dr=2E Josh Leute P=2ES=2E If you have any friends or family members who you feel could u= se our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us=2E We'll be= sure to take good care of them=2E From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 8 12:26:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC45106564A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from smtp.1stinfosystems.com (ns1.1stinfosystems.com [207.178.197.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37AA8FC0A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from monitor@1stnewsletters.com) Received: from mail pickup service by smtp.1stinfosystems.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 May 2009 05:26:30 -0700 From: "Dr. Julian H. Zhitnitsky" X-NEWSLETTER1R: pTmmgXO3F4C78zgpFlpFOOcGt+c= X-NEWSLETTER2A: 000036314 To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <67c7703ae0a745088f8d5312dfe7d527@1stnewsletters.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 05:26:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2009 12:26:30.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[37438FF0:01C9CFD8] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: drz@dentistsherwood.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:26:33 -0000 Greetings from Dr=2E Julian H=2E Zhitnitsky! Periodontal Disease: Silent and Deadly Periodontal disease can go on for years without pain and without detect= ion unless specific examination procedures are performed=2E Visual oral= examination by itself (even by a dentist) will not reliably detect per= iodontal disease until it has reached an advanced stage=2E Early detection and adequate diagnosis require measurement of pockets (= the crevice between the tooth and gum) with a periodontal probe=2E Effe= ctive prevention and treatment is available, but the damage caused as t= he disease progresses is irreversible=2E Early detection and treatment is critical to prevent tooth loss and dis= figurement=2E Although the procedure is simple, painless and requires o= nly a few minutes, millions of American adults have never had it done=2E Signs of periodontal disease include bleeding gums, redness of gum tiss= ue, swelling of gums around the teeth, breath odor, receding gums, mobi= lity of teeth=2E If you have questions regarding periodontal disease, please call our of= fice at (818)785-8388 or email us at drz@dentistsherwood=2Ecom today=2E Best Regards, Dr=2E Julian H=2E Zhitnitsky P=2ES=2E If you have any friends or family members who you feel could u= se our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us=2E We'll be= sure to take good care of them=2E