From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 4 22:22:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5871065670 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6398FC26 for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 22:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A65F0.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.101.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44MM9qi036713; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n44MM7AU023978; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:22:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n44MLmpI067156; Tue, 5 May 2009 00:21:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200905042221.n44MLmpI067156@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Mike Tibor From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:14 -0800." <20090428121050.F91785@alpha.tibor.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 00:21:48 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spamassassin anyone??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 22:22:18 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Mike Tibor > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:14 -0800 (AKDT) > Message-id: <20090428121050.F91785@alpha.tibor.org> Mike Tibor wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > My 2c: Bad idea: Moderators. > > Romans knew long before us: "Quis custodes custodiensis?" > > But others with 2c like moderators, sadly. > > > > Moderation is a tedious bike shed argument, comes up on loads of > > FreeBSD lists periodically, for one compromise idea (just moderate > > the unsusbscribed), see suggestion found by google from: Rich > > Kulawiec to hardware list recently: > > http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.freebsd.hardware/browse_thread/thread/c698d9cd3ca2bd9e/f74bcf1e3e95bdd9?lnk=raot > > > > However probably all would agree: > > Volunteer to help postmaster@freebsd.org team on automatic tools > > if you have skill & time. > > I can certainly see why moderation wouldn't be practical, but I've always > been curious why the -isp list has had an open posting policy. You would > think that those using FreeBSD in an ISP environment wouldn't be put off > by having to subscribe to the list in order to post a question, but maybe > that's a bad assumption. > > Obviously you wouldn't want that for many of the other lists, but for more > specialized lists like this one, I'm genuinely curious why they're open. > > Mike Personaly, I wouldnt mind if all FreeBSD lists only accepted postings from subscribers ( that's what I do for lists I run on majordomo @ berklix.org ) However: 1) As the postmaster@ team @freebsd.org have achieved pretty good spam rejection most of the time, presumambly they don't feel the need. 2) It wouldn't block all spam, Lists gets archived on various web sites, (not just @freebsd.org) & I recall some webs dont mask senders address. ( & if any people receive lists on MicroS..t, & they get virus scanned, same info there), So spam crawlers could harvest sender addresses & masquerade. (Smaller target audiences, but if enough in aggregate, & using semi recognised senders names ... Fortunately not too much targeted spam ... yet ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org