From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 15 18:55:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C93106566B; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from webmail.codefoundry.com (webmail.codefoundry.com [62.231.42.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF148FC12; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from mail.private.tamay-dogan.net ([::ffff:82.113.121.84]) (AUTH: CRAM-SHA256 konzack.michelle.tamay-catchall@codefoundry.com) by webmail.codefoundry.com with esmtp; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:52:26 +0100 id 002B00E2.4A5E256A.0000434B Received: from michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net [::ffff:192.168.0.91]) by mail.private.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:45:28 +0200 id 0002BF6B.4A5E23C8.00002B95 Received: by michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:40:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:40:57 +0200 From: Michelle Konzack To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Message-Flag: Improper configuration of Outlook is a breeding ground for viruses. Please take care your Client is configured correctly. Greetings Michelle. X-Disclaimer-DE: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. Organization: Tamay Dogan Network X-Operating-System: Linux michelle1 2.6.26-1-686 X-Uptime: 18:54:21 up 11 days, 20:25, 19 users, load average: 2.18, 2.51, 2.42 X-Homepage: http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:55:50 -0000 Hello, I am using since over 10 years Debian GNU/Linux and 3 years longer NetBSD. Also I have a running PicoBSD box. Now I have a problem more grave... I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) each. What I now need are a PPPoE Severs (round-robin and loadbalancing) which must work using FreeRadius and PostgreSQL. There was someone on the which has suggested me to use FreeBSD, because the PPPoE it is already build to authenticate against Radius. So, what I like to know is, if I have a 1GE and 10GE network, how many clients can one PPPoE Server handel and what are the CPU/Memory requirements? There is a little problem to get small but reliabel Servers with TWO 10GE interfaces. I think, consumer mainboards are not suitabel even someone told me under Linux, I need 2 MHz CPU-Speed and 2 MByte of Memory per client... Please note, that I am ongoing ISP with over 150.000 customers in DE between Freiburg and Karlsruhe (Baden-Württemberg) and using consumer mainboards is NOT reliabel since in the last 6 years I lost at least 20 per year in 280 Low-Cost Servers. A "Sun Fire X4100M2" would be more reliabel... but even the smallest CPU would be overkill because the machine has only 1GE interfaces. Any suggestions? Note 1: Even if I use a Sun Fire, I would prefer a microBSD running from an industrial SD/CF card. Note: Please do NOT CC me, I am on the list and read it... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack c/o Vertriebsp. KabelBW Blumenstrasse 2 Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de 77694 Kehl/Germany IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. 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FR: +33 6 61925193 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 16 09:27:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81581065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3716C8FC21 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2009 09:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.1.11]) [79.107.186.90] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 11:27:27 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX189LqRYqt893g//3dHHmxsrdwBhlMRFezVPv4zV9L EuYmFE+Yu4yjwL Message-ID: <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:27:06 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> In-Reply-To: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.52 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:27:31 -0000 Michelle Konzack wrote: > I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the > Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel > FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) > each. So, you'll have 96*200 possible PPP clients. How many concurrent PPP sessions do you care to support? And more importantly, how much aggregate bandwidth? > What I now need are a PPPoE Severs (round-robin and loadbalancing) which > must work using FreeRadius and PostgreSQL. Don't understand what you mean round-robin and loadbalancing? Read below. > There was someone on the which has suggested me to use > FreeBSD, because the PPPoE it is already build to authenticate against > Radius. FreeBSD has a RADIUS library in base. The two notable users of libradius are ppp and net/mpd. The only choice in a ISP environment I think is the net/mpd5 port. Read the outline here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/mpd5/pkg-descr It is very good and is actually used in large setups. > So, what I like to know is, if I have a 1GE and 10GE network, how many > clients can one PPPoE Server handel and what are the CPU/Memory > requirements? Can't reply, but keep in mind that filling a 10GE pipe is a hard task on its own. I *think* having more low fidelity BRASs, will serve your needs better that a few high fidelity ones. > [snipped] > > Note 1: Even if I use a Sun Fire, I would prefer a microBSD > running from an industrial SD/CF card. MicroBSD seems OpenBSD based. Can't comment on this. You can try NanoBSD and TinyBSD which are FreeBSD based and I believe can fit the bill. These two run with their filesystems read-only mounted which is ideal for flash memories. Nikos From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 16 09:57:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE401065675 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from webmail.codefoundry.com (webmail.codefoundry.com [62.231.42.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11CF8FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from mail.private.tamay-dogan.net ([::ffff:82.113.121.86]) (AUTH: CRAM-SHA256 konzack.michelle.tamay-catchall@codefoundry.com) by webmail.codefoundry.com with esmtp; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:04:09 +0100 id 002AC618.4A5EFB1A.0000728A Received: from michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net [::ffff:192.168.0.91]) by mail.private.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:57:11 +0200 id 0002BF44.4A5EF977.000030DC Received: by michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:52:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:52:39 +0200 From: Michelle Konzack To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090716095239.GC5636@tamay-dogan.net> References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> X-Message-Flag: Improper configuration of Outlook is a breeding ground for viruses. Please take care your Client is configured correctly. Greetings Michelle. X-Disclaimer-DE: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. Organization: Tamay Dogan Network X-Operating-System: Linux michelle1 2.6.26-1-686 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:57:29 -0000 Hello Nikos, Thanks for your answer. Am 2009-07-16 12:27:06, schrieb Nikos Vassiliadis: > Michelle Konzack wrote: >> I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the >> Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel >> FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) >> each. > > So, you'll have 96*200 possible PPP clients. How many concurrent PPP > sessions do you care to support? > And more importantly, how much aggregate bandwidth? Because the customers are permanently On-Line du to the VoIP-Telephone, we count with the full number of clients... The distance between the FTTH DSLAM and the customers can be up to 10km. The idea is now, that we do not simply connect the FTTH DSLAM's to the CISCO switches but building a redunant Ethernet Carrier Network. This mean, we can install in each village there own FTTH DSLAM even if there are 2500 hausholds and we install 26 FTTH DSLAM's there. This mean in theorie 250 GBit Customer Downstream, 26 Gbit Upstream but we count with a 10 GE which is maybe used to 30-50%. OK, if we switch to an "Ethernet Carrier Network" I could install one or two PPPoE Servers in each village. But if one goes down, the second has to handel 2500 client connections. Note: This is ONLY the base installation between Kehl, Rheinau, Renchen and Oberkirch (arround 35.000 hausholds) and the whole region has 150.000 hausholds. > Don't understand what you mean round-robin and loadbalancing? > Read below. > FreeBSD has a RADIUS library in base. The two notable users of libradius > are ppp and net/mpd. The only choice in a ISP environment I think is the > net/mpd5 port. Read the outline here: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/mpd5/pkg-descr > > It is very good and is actually used in large setups. Thankyo for the link, I will red on if I am in Office... > Can't reply, but keep in mind that filling a 10GE pipe is > a hard task on its own. It depends on how many customers you have and with an Internet access of 100 Mbit plus services like IPTV and VOD you can fill up a 10 GE pipe. > I *think* having more low fidelity BRASs, will serve your > needs better that a few high fidelity ones. You mean, putting a bunch of small 1U Servers into a 19" 42RU? > You can try NanoBSD and TinyBSD which are FreeBSD based and I > believe can fit the bill. These two run with their filesystems > read-only mounted which is ideal for flash memories. Can you recomment it for an ISP setup? Hmmm, I am right, that NanoBSD can be bootup over network? (this would be another solution) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack c/o Vertriebsp. KabelBW Blumenstrasse 2 Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de 77694 Kehl/Germany IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193