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Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> Warren Liddell <shinjii@maydias.com> writes:
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>   
>> After finally managing to get java working with FF i find when i goto
>> use it now, it uses 100% of my CPU ... how can i fix this annoyinng issue ?
>>
>> Running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64
>>     
>
> You don't mention what version of each you're running, or how you
> installed the plugins, but with native firefox-3.0.8,1 and native
> jdk-1.6.0.3p4_10, I don't have this problem.
>
> I installed the plugins with links in my home directory, as described in
> the 20090109 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. 
>
>   
FF 3.0.8,1 with diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_3 an all was installed via ports 
an to get it working in FF i created a symbolic link of 
libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins

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Warren Liddell wrote:
> Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>> Warren Liddell <shinjii@maydias.com> writes:
>>
>>  
>>> After finally managing to get java working with FF i find when i goto
>>> use it now, it uses 100% of my CPU ... how can i fix this annoyinng
>>> issue ?
>>>
>>> Running FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE AMD64
>>>     
>>
>> You don't mention what version of each you're running, or how you
>> installed the plugins, but with native firefox-3.0.8,1 and native
>> jdk-1.6.0.3p4_10, I don't have this problem.
>>
>> I installed the plugins with links in my home directory, as described in
>> the 20090109 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING.
>>   
> FF 3.0.8,1 with diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_3 an all was installed via
> ports an to get it working in FF i created a symbolic link of
> libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins

Are you getting 100% on something as simple as this?

http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml

My setup is exactly similar, but I run i386. No such problem.
I do get very high CPU usage when flash (gnash) is active though...

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Are you getting 100% on something as simple as this?
> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
>
> My setup is exactly similar, but I run i386. No such problem.
> I do get very high CPU usage when flash (gnash) is active though...

No, that works quite fine, but has very little graphics involved with it. 

It occurs when i goto http://world121.runescape.com/a2,m1,j1,o0

Which is a lot more intense on the java

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On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Andrew <awd@awdcomp.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for a lightweight webserver that will run
> php?
> Apache is too bulky for what I need and thttpd won't allow me to run php.
>
> TIA
> Andrew

If you choose to run php via FastCGI, check out PHP-FPM. It's a patch
that greatly speeds up php's FastCGI performance. It honestly does
help significantly. There's a FreeBSD port in the "Archives Download"
section of the website.
http://php-fpm.anight.org/

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Hi,

My laptop runs a little hot. Is it possible to increase the default fan
speed? I'm running version 7.1 on an acer.

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> After upgrade upgrade my system to 7.2-PRERELEASE, my sound card works perfectly.
This is why my sound broke (I forgot to mention it was after an
upgrade). cd ~/stable7/sys/dev/sound/pci/hda && svn update -r182969
"fixed" my problem.


-- 
Eitan Adler
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Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> I'm sure that this has been asked before, but I cannot find the answer
> recorded anywhere. I'm likely looking in the wrong places.
> 
> Is there a simple tool in freebsd to show the reverse dependency tree of a
> package?
pkg_tree in ports
> 
> Mike


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Hello,

This week upgraded my Acer TravelMate 4060 laptop from FreeBSD 7.0 to
FreeBSD 7.1 and also csup'ed my ports and portupgraded them and I am
not able to start X correctly. When I invoke startx, it tries to start
it and then the screen goes blank and black, nothing is seen on it and
I am no able to kill X using ctrl-alt-backspace or swtich to another
terminal and I have to cold reboot my machine.

uname -r shows 7.1-RELEASE-p4

The version of xorg metaport is 7.4_1, the version of xorg-server is 1.6.0,1.

After I did the portupgrade I rebooted my machine and the KDE display
manager failed to appear, so I disabled it from /etc/ttys for easier
debugging. After I logged in to a shell, I called startx and the
screen went blank and black. After I rebooted the machine I invoked

X -configure

as root and run

X -config /root/xorg.conf.new

and again the same problem. I then tried to make ctrl-alt-backspace
work and I added the following section at the end of
/root/xorg.conf.new

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "DontZap" "off"
EndSection

and called X -config /root/xorg.conf.new again - same results and
still could not kill ther server. I followed /usr/ports/UPDATING,
entry from 20090123 and disabled moused and added

Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"

in the ServerLayout section. Again X refuses to start appropriately.

I would be very grateful if you help me in resolving this issue.

I am attaching my xorg.conf file and the logs from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
and I will happily provide more information if needed.

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards
Rambius

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On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Christopher Chambers <
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> Hi,
>
> My laptop runs a little hot. Is it possible to increase the default fan
> speed? I'm running version 7.1 on an acer.
>
> -
> Regards,
> Chris Chambers
>


I'd try powerd first.

enable it in rc.conf and run it.

powerd_enable="YES"

# /etc/rc.d/powerd start

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On Sunday 19 April 2009 03:06:07 Christopher Chambers wrote:

> My laptop runs a little hot. Is it possible to increase the default fan
> speed? I'm running version 7.1 on an acer.

Active cooling is under control of ACPI, typically not exposed to non-windows 
operating systems:
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1

Value other then -1 you might actually be able to change it.

But...your best 15USD spent will be a laptop cooling pad, best one powered by 
the USB port. Some lappies just can't be fixed with fanspeed, because of bad 
design and a cooling pad will take at least 5C off.
-- 
Mel

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Warren Liddell wrote:
> Are you getting 100% on something as simple as this?
>> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
>>
>> My setup is exactly similar, but I run i386. No such problem.
>> I do get very high CPU usage when flash (gnash) is active though...
>
> No, that works quite fine, but has very little graphics involved with it.
> It occurs when i goto http://world121.runescape.com/a2,m1,j1,o0
>
> Which is a lot more intense on the java
>
This gets me around 40% CPU usage (just displaying the options / login
screen)

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Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This week upgraded my Acer TravelMate 4060 laptop from FreeBSD 7.0 to
> FreeBSD 7.1 and also csup'ed my ports and portupgraded them and I am
> not able to start X correctly. When I invoke startx, it tries to start
> it and then the screen goes blank and black, nothing is seen on it and
> I am no able to kill X using ctrl-alt-backspace or swtich to another
> terminal and I have to cold reboot my machine.
>
> uname -r shows 7.1-RELEASE-p4
>
> The version of xorg metaport is 7.4_1, the version of xorg-server is 1.6.0,1.
>
> After I did the portupgrade I rebooted my machine and the KDE display
> manager failed to appear, so I disabled it from /etc/ttys for easier
> debugging. After I logged in to a shell, I called startx and the
> screen went blank and black. After I rebooted the machine I invoked
>
> X -configure
>
> as root and run
>
> X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
>
> and again the same problem. 

The default screen when not running a WM/DE is no longer the familiar
screen pattern / X mouse pointer, but a black screen. Go figure... You
maybe having a working X and not know it.

> I then tried to make ctrl-alt-backspace
> work and I added the following section at the end of
> /root/xorg.conf.new
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
> Option "DontZap" "off"
> EndSection
>   

This should definitely work.

> and called X -config /root/xorg.conf.new again - same results and
> still could not kill ther server. I followed /usr/ports/UPDATING,
> entry from 20090123 and disabled moused and added
>
> Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
>
>   

Browsing your xorg.conf, you forgot to add the keyword "Option" in front
of "AllowEmptyInput". And actually this should also go the "ServerFlags"
section.

> in the ServerLayout section. Again X refuses to start appropriately.
>
> I would be very grateful if you help me in resolving this issue.
>
> I am attaching my xorg.conf file and the logs from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> and I will happily provide more information if needed.
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Regards
> Rambius
>
>   
You can download my working xorg.conf from here:

http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/xorg.conf.tar.gz

It even includes some comments. Give it a try.


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Hi all,

I have the latest version of the ports collection (gotten with
portsnap). I performed a whole update of my system (FreeBSD
7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12). Everything went fine save the vim port.

It is unable to download vim-7.2.tar.bz2 despite the fact that the URL
portupgrade tries to download from, exists:
http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2
It was unable to download the file from any other sites. Several
different errors (Move permanently, range request not satisfiable...)

However, I downloaded that file from the first site using 'fetch',
place the file in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim and I could install the
package...

Any ideas on this problem?

Thanks in advance.

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> Hi all,
>
> I have the latest version of the ports collection (gotten with
> portsnap). I performed a whole update of my system (FreeBSD
> 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12). Everything went fine save the vim port.
>

An upgrade of the base system Should Not(Tm) affect installed ports
under normal conditions.

> It is unable to download vim-7.2.tar.bz2 despite the fact that the URL
> portupgrade tries to download from, exists:
> http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2
> It was unable to download the file from any other sites. Several
> different errors (Move permanently, range request not satisfiable...)
>

I am unfamiliar with automated port utilities.  What happens if you do
the following?:
   cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make deinstall distclean; make install clean

> However, I downloaded that file from the first site using 'fetch',
> place the file in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim and I could install the
> package...
>

Don't confuse ports and packages.  They are two different ways to
install third-party software (until they are installed -- then
everything is a package).

> Any ideas on this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.


--=20
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2009/4/19 Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com>:
> 2009/4/19 Fernando Apestegu=EDa <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have the latest version of the ports collection (gotten with
>> portsnap). I performed a whole update of my system (FreeBSD
>> 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12). Everything went fine save the vim port.
>>
>
> An upgrade of the base system Should Not(Tm) affect installed ports
> under normal conditions.
>
>> It is unable to download vim-7.2.tar.bz2 despite the fact that the URL
>> portupgrade tries to download from, exists:
>> http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2
>> It was unable to download the file from any other sites. Several
>> different errors (Move permanently, range request not satisfiable...)
>>
>
> I am unfamiliar with automated port utilities. =A0What happens if you do
> the following?:
> =A0 cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make deinstall distclean; make install cle=
an

It fetches all the files from the remote site without problems and it
installs it.

>
>> However, I downloaded that file from the first site using 'fetch',
>> place the file in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim and I could install the
>> package...
>>
>
> Don't confuse ports and packages. =A0They are two different ways to
> install third-party software (until they are installed -- then
> everything is a package).

Sorry, change "package" for "port". What I wanted to say is: when
installing the port, it couldn't download one of the needed files
(vim-7.2.tar.bz2). After I did it by hand, it could install the port
(compiling and all the stuff) because portupgrade found the file
already downloaded in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim.

>
>> Any ideas on this problem?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> --
> Glen Barber
>

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> hi, can anyone tell me what this message is related to?
>=20
> WRITE_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=3D62939519
>=20
> drive/hardware failing?
> i am seeing a lot of it lately on a particular disk where i have
> tried a few different installs and don't always
> get this problem. i have seen it disappear after some painstaking
> before a reinstall this disk, like wiping the whole disk clean
> before install, checking geometry is right, but maybe coincidence?
> it is a sata300, 7.2 beta1 amd64 and i am thinking there is problem
> with the disk, but the error varied a bit with different installs
> (i.e. whether i see the error or not)

I suggest installing 'sysutils/smartmontools', checking the health,
-H, and if it shows up healthy, run a long self test. If the long
self test completes with out issue, it is most likely a bad cable,
some what odd for SATA, but I've had it happen several times back in
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Le Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:09:51 -0400,
Eitan Adler <eitanadlerlist@gmail.com>:

Hi,

> > After upgrade upgrade my system to 7.2-PRERELEASE, my sound card
> > works perfectly.
> This is why my sound broke (I forgot to mention it was after an
> upgrade). cd ~/stable7/sys/dev/sound/pci/hda && svn update -r182969
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The sound unit may change between 7.1 and 7.2. You can try to change
the sysctl hw.snd.default_unit

If it still doesn't work put a verbose boot dmesg of snd_hda and pcm
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Regards

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"mac.tc" <raszobbi@gmail.com> writes:

> hi, can anyone tell me what this message is related to?
>
> WRITE_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=62939519
>
> drive/hardware failing?
> i am seeing a lot of it lately on a particular disk where i have tried a few
> different installs and don't always
> get this problem. i have seen it disappear after some painstaking before a
> reinstall this disk, like wiping the whole disk clean before install,
> checking geometry is right, but maybe coincidence?
> it is a sata300, 7.2 beta1 amd64 and i am thinking there is problem with the
> disk, but the error varied a bit with different installs (i.e. whether i see
> the error or not)

Hmm.  ICRC errors are about the controller talking to the disk
electronics.  They don't generally have anything to do with the 
magnetic medium itself.

Try replacing the cable.

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
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Warren Liddell <shinjii@maydias.com> wrote:
>
> Are you getting 100% on something as simple as this?
> > http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
> >
> > My setup is exactly similar, but I run i386. No such problem.
> > I do get very high CPU usage when flash (gnash) is active though...
> 
> No, that works quite fine, but has very little graphics involved with it. 
> 
> It occurs when i goto http://world121.runescape.com/a2,m1,j1,o0
> 
> Which is a lot more intense on the java

It's also a lot more intense in the graphics department.

Runescape pretty much maxes out my system as well.  My computer is
somewhat older 1.3ghz, with a cheap graphics card.  Looking back through
the thread, I don't see any information on your hardware.  Is it possible
that runescape simple pushes your hardware to its limits?

-- 
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:49:10 -0400
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> Hmm.  ICRC errors are about the controller talking to the disk
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote:

> Browsing your xorg.conf, you forgot to add the keyword "Option" in front
> of "AllowEmptyInput". And actually this should also go the "ServerFlags"
> section.

A ServerFlags section is optional; those entries can also go in the 
ServerLayout section.  That simplifies xorg.conf a little.

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On 4/18/09, APseudoUtopia <apseudoutopia@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Andrew <awd@awdcomp.net> wrote:
...
>
>
> If you choose to run php via FastCGI, check out PHP-FPM. It's a patch
>  that greatly speeds up php's FastCGI performance. It honestly does
>  help significantly. There's a FreeBSD port in the "Archives Download"
>  section of the website.
>  http://php-fpm.anight.org/

Can you explain PHP-FPM ? Some parts of http://php-fpm.anight.org/ are
not written in english...

Regards,

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Warren Block wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote:
>
>> Browsing your xorg.conf, you forgot to add the keyword "Option" in front
>> of "AllowEmptyInput". And actually this should also go the "ServerFlags"
>> section.
>
> A ServerFlags section is optional; those entries can also go in the
> ServerLayout section.  That simplifies xorg.conf a little.
>
> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA

Good to know, thanks. The Xorg upgrade was bumpy for me too - too many
changes at once.

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It says that distro available at php.net has a number of known problems 
related to using FastCGI SAPI in production servers. Also, it argues why 
using FastCGI SAPI along with php-fpm is a good idea.

php-fpm addresses the following problems:

1. php daemonization
2. Process managing. Smooth php workers stop and restart without loosing queries.
   Smooth config refresh and binaries with no lost queries.

3. Banning IP addresses for the web server.

4. Running workers with different uid/gid/chroot/environment and different php.ini
   options. Safe mode is no longer required!

5. Logging stdout & stderr working processes.

6. Emergency restart of all processes in case shared memory opcode cache is destroyed and   if accelerator is in use.

7. Forced halting of hanged processes if set_time_limit() does not work.

There are also "special features" like Error header, Accelerated upload support,
fastcgi_finish_request(), Slowlog()


hth

olv


On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:45:51AM -0300, Alexandre Biancalana wrote:
> On 4/18/09, APseudoUtopia <apseudoutopia@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Andrew <awd@awdcomp.net> wrote:
> ...
> >
> >
> > If you choose to run php via FastCGI, check out PHP-FPM. It's a patch
> >  that greatly speeds up php's FastCGI performance. It honestly does
> >  help significantly. There's a FreeBSD port in the "Archives Download"
> >  section of the website.
> >  http://php-fpm.anight.org/
> 
> Can you explain PHP-FPM ? Some parts of http://php-fpm.anight.org/ are
> not written in english...
> 
> Regards,
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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:36:40 +0100
Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:49:10 -0400
> Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote:
>=20
> > Hmm.  ICRC errors are about the controller talking to the disk
> > electronics.  They don't generally have anything to do with the=20
> > magnetic medium itself.
> >=20
> > Try replacing the cable.
>=20
> The only time I've seen ICRC errors was when FreeBSD was programming
> UDMA100 mode when I only had a UDMA33 cable installed. Overridding
> the mode using atacontrol solved it, as did installing a UDMA66
> cable.

I've seen the issue quit often in cheap, or long, UDMA100 cables as
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I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't  
afford to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute FreeBSD  
and a few other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks fairly  
straightforward. That's the theory...

Real world question: how scared should I be?

I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is  
this a good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?

-- John


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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM, John Almberg <jalmberg@identry.com> wrote:
> I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't afford
> to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute FreeBSD and a few
> other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks fairly straightforward.
> That's the theory...

Wise man (who I won't name to keep his identity private) once said:
"In theory, there is no difference between practice and theory.  In
practice, there is."

> Real world question: how scared should I be?
>
> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is this a
> good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?
>

Get a test box to do this on first. :)


-- 
Glen Barber

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On Apr 19, 2009, at 10:06, John Almberg wrote:

> I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't  
> afford to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute  
> FreeBSD and a few other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks  
> fairly straightforward. That's the theory...
>
> Real world question: how scared should I be?

Not at all if you prepare properly (see below).

>
> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on.  
> Is this a good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?

That is an excellent approach.  I keep a couple of spare machines  
around just for that purpose.  While most of the update process is  
waiting for things to complete, mergemaster requires a lot of  
responses to a ton of questions about updates to configuration files.   
The vast majority of those will be to install the new version.   
However, there are some where you really need to review the changes  
and make sure your unique configuration gets carried over into the new  
files.  Its really easy to get into the "i" mode and skip right  
through some of those.  The recovery from that will be painful.

Take lots of time on the dummy upgrade to think through the merge and  
keep good records.  You are likely to find that you still have to make  
some changes to those files after the update is complete.  Go back and  
update the records so you don't have to do that a second time on the  
production server.

I also recommend you not let weeks go by between updating the dummy  
and the production systems.  No matter how good you write stuff down,  
some will get forgotten.  Often memory will save you, but if its been  
too long, perhaps not.  The dummy update process will also give you a  
much better estimate of the time you need to have the production  
system down.

I have been using this approach since FreeBSD 2.5 and have had a  
couple of disasters in updating my test system.  After a few retries I  
figured it out and none of the production system updates has  
encountered any issues.  I create a script for each update and save  
them.  Often they come in handy in a later update.  The script is  
really helpful when updating a number of production servers.  I tend  
to forget about some steps otherwise after a few iterations.


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Glen Barber wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:06 PM, John Almberg <jalmberg@identry.com> wr=
ote:
>> I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't a=
fford
>> to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute FreeBSD and a f=
ew
>> other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks fairly straightforward.=

>> That's the theory...
>=20
> Wise man (who I won't name to keep his identity private) once said:
> "In theory, there is no difference between practice and theory.  In
> practice, there is."
>=20
>> Real world question: how scared should I be?

I've done several 6.x to 7.x upgrades on live systems.  There are some tr=
icky
bits, but once you have been through the process it's fairly routine.

One big gotcha is that in oder to upgrade all the ports, you first need t=
o
make sure that the software you're using and any dependencies it has are =
all
up to date too.  For portmaster this is not a problem, as it is a shell s=
cript
with no dependencies except on the base system.  For portupgrade, you sho=
uld=20
delete portupgrade and all of it's dependencies (some or all of: ruby, ru=
by-bdb,
bdb, openssl -- depending on your configuration choices) and then reinsta=
ll
by:

   # cd /usr/ports/port-mgmt/portupgrade
   # make install

>> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is =
this a
>> good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?
>>
>=20
> Get a test box to do this on first. :)

Absolutely.  A dummy run before the real thing is a really good idea.

One great benefit of using a test server is that you can also use it as
a package building machine (assuming it's the same CPU architecture of co=
urse).
Being able to upgrade all the installed software by installing pre-compil=
ed
and tested packages will a) save you a lot of time when you have to have =
your
production server out of action to work on it and b) it lets you discover=
 all
those little glitches and tweaks that you will need to deal with *before*=
 you
have to do it for real.

If you do have a spare server with appropriate capabilities, one approach=
=20
that you might consider is building a duplicate upgraded system image on =
the
spare machine and then simply swapping hard drives with your production b=
ox.
That is probably about the minimum time impact on production service[*] f=
or
you to do this sort of upgrade and it has the really useful benefit that
there is a simple back-out path should things not work out.  Just swap th=
e
old disks back in.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

[*] Well, modulo time required for disks to resynchronise if you're using=

mirroring and can't swap both halves of the mirror simultaneously.  For t=
he
whole RAID 1 thing to be effective your server /should/ run pretty much
normally while this is going on though.

--=20
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John Almberg wrote:

> I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't
> afford to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute FreeBSD
> and a few other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks fairly
> straightforward. That's the theory...
> 
> Real world question: how scared should I be?
> 
> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is
> this a good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?
> 

I concur with the concept of doing it on a test box first. I only have two 
servers at home and 7 at work, so the ones at home are my "fudge" factor in 
that upgrades are run by them first before I try the ones at work.

Since I don't have large numbers whenever I go from one major release to 
another, e.g., like 6.x to 7.x I first use dump and back up everything. Then 
I usually install the new from scratch, build whatever ports, and copy 
configs over from the backup. Doesn't have to get done this way, but there 
are a few things of which you should be aware.

Whenever there is a major version bump it is because of an ABI difference 
between old and new. Sometimes this will cause installed ports that were 
built against the libs from the previous install to malfunction. The proper 
fix is to rebuild them after the update so they get built against the new 
versions of system libraries. This can be automated with portupgrade.

The other common approach is to install the "compat" shim, in this case it 
would be the compat6x. With this installed when you reboot to the new kernel 
in theory the existing ports built against 6.x libs will still function. 

Since I'm still using csup and the make build/install/kernel/world dance I 
can't speak to freebsd-update. There is also a target for ensuring old libs 
are deleted, I believe it is make delete-old-libs, or something like. It is 
a good idea to remove the old libs so that when later on when you are 
updating installed ports they can only get linked against the new 7.x libs. 
The situation you do not want to get yourself in is having a mix of some 
ports built against 7.x and some other(s), e.g., dependencies built against 
the 6.x libs. 

Sounds like a lot but it really isn't if you break it up into individual 
steps and are aware of the potential pitfalls. These are mostly easy to deal 
with by simply doing things in the proper order. What you are proposing is 
doable, and has been done by many - I just wanted you to know the traps not 
to fall into. But I would recommend you dry run it on a non production box 
first, just to get a feel for it.

-Mike





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Hi,

I was attempting to configure some software. Configure told me that:
missing required NSS library 'nss3'

A search of my hard drive and the net came up dry. Who writes the
library and were can I download it? 

-  
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Chris Chambers


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Christopher Chambers wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I was attempting to configure some software. Configure told me that:
> missing required NSS library 'nss3'
> 
> A search of my hard drive and the net came up dry. Who writes the
> library and were can I download it?
> 
> -
> Regards,
> Chris Chambers

Take a look at: /usr/ports/security/nss

It used to be a dependency for Firefox 2.x.x so it got installed and went 
noticed. Firefox 3.x.x uses nspr and so nss is not present.

-Mike
 




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how i do this (but this is probably not "politically correct" ;)

1) get all files of new version in one place (subdir) say at /7.1
2) separate out manually all configs - it's /etc, /var/namedb and maybe 
few more
3) using livecd just put all other files with tar|tar to the place
4) manually update configs - put all except what you modified
5) turn off all services in rc.conf, reboot
6) install compat6x from ports so your existing ports will work, then turn 
on services

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, John Almberg wrote:

> I need to upgrade a live, production server from 6.3 to 7.1. I can't afford 
> to have any troubles with this server. I have Absolute FreeBSD and a few 
> other BSD books, and the upgrade process looks fairly straightforward. That's 
> the theory...
>
> Real world question: how scared should I be?
>
> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is this a 
> good idea? Or am I just a nervous Nellie?
>
> -- John
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Hello Manolis,

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:
> Warren Block wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Manolis Kiagias wrote:
>>
>>> Browsing your xorg.conf, you forgot to add the keyword "Option" in fron=
t
>>> of "AllowEmptyInput". And actually this should also go the "ServerFlags=
"
>>> section.
I corrected this error but the screen is still blank and black.

>>
>> A ServerFlags section is optional; those entries can also go in the
>> ServerLayout section. =A0That simplifies xorg.conf a little.
I also followed this advice - still no luck.

>>
>> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
>
> Good to know, thanks. The Xorg upgrade was bumpy for me too - too many
> changes at once.
>

I even tried with Manolis's xorg.conf - same results.

I use startx as a non-root user and I invoke startkde from .xinitrc,
but kde does not appear. The screen just blinks once or twice. I also
tried to enable xdm from /etc/ttys - same result.

Indeed, I think the xorg.conf is OK and no errors appear in the log,
but still I can not get it running.

Regards
Ivan


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It's also a lot more intense in the graphics department.
> Runescape pretty much maxes out my system as well.  My computer is
> somewhat older 1.3ghz, with a cheap graphics card.  Looking back through
> the thread, I don't see any information on your hardware.  Is it possible
> that runescape simple pushes your hardware to its limits?
>
>   
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ with 4gig RAM an what 
ever the onboard Vid card is

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HI,
   just had this feeling that whenever there is a flash plugin,
firefox3 hangs up pretty bad. I remove a link under
/usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins to disable plugin, firefox hangs no
more. is this because most flash plugins are upgraded from 9 to 10?
thanks!!

TFC

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov wrote:
>
> I even tried with Manolis's xorg.conf - same results.
>
> I use startx as a non-root user and I invoke startkde from .xinitrc,
> but kde does not appear. The screen just blinks once or twice. I also
> tried to enable xdm from /etc/ttys - same result.
>
> Indeed, I think the xorg.conf is OK and no errors appear in the log,
> but still I can not get it running.

It's easier to test if you remove the big desktop manager from the 
equation.  So rename or delete your .xinitrc, .xsession, and don't start 
X from /etc/ttys.  Don't forget to kill -HUP 1 and kill xdm.

Then try startx to just get the plain twm screen.

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA

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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Zane C.B. <v.velox@vvelox.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:36:40 +0100
> Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:49:10 -0400
> > Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm.  ICRC errors are about the controller talking to the disk
> > > electronics.  They don't generally have anything to do with the
> > > magnetic medium itself.
> > >
> > > Try replacing the cable.
> >
> > The only time I've seen ICRC errors was when FreeBSD was programming
> > UDMA100 mode when I only had a UDMA33 cable installed. Overridding
> > the mode using atacontrol solved it, as did installing a UDMA66
> > cable.
>
> I've seen the issue quit often in cheap, or long, UDMA100 cables as
> well.
>
i haven't tried changing the cable, but it is just a standard sata cable,
those about a foot long.
it is doing ok right now but still would like to do some checks on it. See,
the biggest problem was actually caused by S.M.A.R.T that day i posted,
which i had enabled the day before and forgot about. The whole computer was
acting up when accessing disks and i saw the error more frequent till it
actually caused a panic, hard rebooted, and vanished from the bios listing.
When i pulled it out it seemed somewhat overheated.
the thing is though, i never had S.M.A.R.T  enabled before and still saw the
error sometimes; and pretty sure it depended on the install - either i see
it often, or not at all on this particular disk.

anyway, thanks all for the input

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Warren Block wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov wrote:
>>
>> I even tried with Manolis's xorg.conf - same results.
>>
>> I use startx as a non-root user and I invoke startkde from .xinitrc,
>> but kde does not appear. The screen just blinks once or twice. I also
>> tried to enable xdm from /etc/ttys - same result.
>>
>> Indeed, I think the xorg.conf is OK and no errors appear in the log,
>> but still I can not get it running.
> 
> It's easier to test if you remove the big desktop manager from the 
> equation.  So rename or delete your .xinitrc, .xsession, and don't start 
> X from /etc/ttys.  Don't forget to kill -HUP 1 and kill xdm.
> Then try startx to just get the plain twm screen.

I'm having similar problems after upgrading an older machine to Xorg 
7.4.  The monitor blinks it's power light indicating no signal.

While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press 
CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then kill 
the X server via CTRL+C.

Interestingly, if I restart the server (via Xorg, X, startx, etc), the 
screen will switch to graphics mode and briefly show the contents of the 
previous session, and then go blank.  I believe I'm seeing the contents 
of the video memory after the mode switch and before the video memory is 
overwritten or erased.

I believe that Xorg is working fine, but somehow the video card is told 
to blank the screen (maybe via DPMS?) or is otherwise incorrectly 
programmed.

I was using the DPMS screen saver modul via rc.conf, I will remove that 
and check again.

I'll also remove all the .xinitrc, .xsession, left over crud as well.

This is a machine using the VESA driver with an older Voodoo Banshee AGP 
card.


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hi derek,

It is not also working on my sendmail.

May be I overlooked some steps?

step 1. login to user=20
# su alydio.mc

step 2. initialize vacation db=20
$ vacation -i

step 3. create .vacation.msg=20

=A0From: alydio.mc@mydomain.com
=A0Subject: I am on vacation
=A0Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: The Vacation program
=A0Precedence: bulk

=A0I am on vacation until.......

step 4. create .forward

\klyren, "|/usr/bin/vacation klyren"


sendmail log

Apr 20 08:21:08 MAIL sm-mta[18102]: n3K0L2Jl018092: to=3D"|/usr/bin/vacatio=
n alydio.mc", ctladdr=3D<alydio.mc@mydomain> (1001/0), delay=3D00:00:05, xd=
elay=3D00:00:00, mailer=3Dprog, pri=3D62458, dsn=3D2.0.0, stat=3DSent

...nothing follows...

thanks
alydiomc

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From: Derek Ragona <derek@computinginnovations.com>
Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
To: alydiomc@yahoo.com, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:51 PM


=20
At 07:27 AM 4/17/2009, lyd mc wrote:

Thanks Odhiambo for your
time.


Actually i have a working vacation program=A0 from freebsd ports
(/usr/ports/mail/vacation).


I only wondering why the freebsd base vacation behave differently....



I still want freebsd base vacation... the one from ports is obsolete (as
per its maintainer website) and sometime i need to edit its makefile for
it to compile....


Thanks again.






I think the base system vacation is the one that is part of
sendmail.=A0 So using it with postfix as the MTA may be the
issue.=A0 I have use the base vacation version flawlessly with
sendmail.


 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Derek










--- On Fri, 4/17/09,
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: alydiomc@yahoo.com

Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>,
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:10 PM





On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>
wrote:




hi,


I don't know how to run it in debug mode....


I already try this one.....


#/usr/bin/vacation -d alydio.mc


but nothing happened... no logs in /var/log/message and /var/log/maillog
pertaining to vacation.




Okay. I think you need to look again at your MTA logs. Not being an
expert with Postfix, I am not sure I can help with it anyway.




--=20

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Odhiambo WASHINGTON,

Nairobi,KE

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> If it still doesn't work put a verbose boot dmesg of snd_hda and pcm
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#sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=0
Works - thanks.  Now - to make this change stick I add it to
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Hi derek,

Correction on step 4, it should be:

\alydio.mc, "|/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc"

thanks,

alyd


--- On Mon, 4/20/09, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
To: "Derek Ragona" <derek@computinginnovations.com>
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:07 AM

hi derek,

It is not also working on my sendmail.

May be I overlooked some steps?

step 1. login to user=20
# su alydio.mc

step 2. initialize vacation db=20
$ vacation -i

step 3. create .vacation.msg=20

=A0From: alydio.mc@mydomain.com
=A0Subject: I am on vacation
=A0Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: The Vacation program
=A0Precedence: bulk

=A0I am on vacation until.......

step 4. create .forward

\klyren, "|/usr/bin/vacation klyren"


sendmail log

Apr 20 08:21:08 MAIL sm-mta[18102]: n3K0L2Jl018092: to=3D"|/usr/bin/vacatio=
n alydio.mc", ctladdr=3D<alydio.mc@mydomain> (1001/0), delay=3D00:00:05, xd=
elay=3D00:00:00, mailer=3Dprog, pri=3D62458, dsn=3D2.0.0, stat=3DSent

...nothing follows...

thanks
alydiomc

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Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
To: alydiomc@yahoo.com, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:51 PM


=20
At 07:27 AM 4/17/2009, lyd mc wrote:

Thanks Odhiambo for your
time.


Actually i have a working vacation program=A0 from freebsd ports
(/usr/ports/mail/vacation).


I only wondering why the freebsd base vacation behave differently....



I still want freebsd base vacation... the one from ports is obsolete (as
per its maintainer website) and sometime i need to edit its makefile for
it to compile....


Thanks again.






I think the base system vacation is the one that is part of
sendmail.=A0 So using it with postfix as the MTA may be the
issue.=A0 I have use the base vacation version flawlessly with
sendmail.


 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Derek










--- On Fri, 4/17/09,
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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: alydiomc@yahoo.com

Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>,
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:10 PM





On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>
wrote:




hi,


I don't know how to run it in debug mode....


I already try this one.....


#/usr/bin/vacation -d alydio.mc


but nothing happened... no logs in /var/log/message and /var/log/maillog
pertaining to vacation.




Okay. I think you need to look again at your MTA logs. Not being an
expert with Postfix, I am not sure I can help with it anyway.




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Nairobi,KE

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:16:45 -0700, Charles Oppermann <chuckop@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having similar problems after upgrading an older machine to Xorg 
> 7.4.  The monitor blinks it's power light indicating no signal.


> While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press 
> CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then kill 
> the X server via CTRL+C.

There's a new setting that needs to be put into xorg.conf:

	Section "ServerFlags"
		Option "DontZap" "false"
	EndSection

Then you should be able to Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace to kill X.



> Interestingly, if I restart the server (via Xorg, X, startx, etc), the 
> screen will switch to graphics mode and briefly show the contents of the 
> previous session, and then go blank.  I believe I'm seeing the contents 
> of the video memory after the mode switch and before the video memory is 
> overwritten or erased.

I've seen such a behaviour before, because X seemed to be unable
to update the screen contents.



> I believe that Xorg is working fine, but somehow the video card is told 
> to blank the screen (maybe via DPMS?) or is otherwise incorrectly 
> programmed.

Regarding DPMS,

	Section "Monitor"
		Option "DPMS" "false"
	EndSection

comes into mind, as well as

	xset -dpms

in ~/.xinitrc. This should eliminate every DPMS attempt of X.



> I was using the DPMS screen saver modul via rc.conf, I will remove that 
> and check again.

I don't think it has something to do with it, but maybe there's
some kind of interference between the system and X... It's always
wise to do testing with minimal settings applied.



> I'll also remove all the .xinitrc, .xsession, left over crud as well.

You could be fine with a minimal .xinitrc and .xsession, both
chmodded +x. with this content:

~/.xinitrc
	#!/bin/sh
	xset -dpms
	xterm &
	exec twm

~/.xsession
	#!/bin/csh
	source ~/.cshrc
	exec ~/.xinitrc

The incorporation of shell settings depends on the shell you
use (C shell is the default shell).



> This is a machine using the VESA driver with an older Voodoo Banshee AGP 
> card.

VESA? Isn't there a driver for this card that gets automatically
detected (hahaha) by X .-configure?



In most cases, it's useful to delete all the many autodetected
screens in your xorg.conf, only leaving present what you really
have, nothing more. This should bypass every means of automatic
detection. Of course, you should know what you have. :-)

I hope it's okay when I attach an xorg.conf where these
requirements are met, it's the one I'm using at the moment.
Note that it doesn't conform to the new set of X settings
yet, because I'm still using an older X. Maybe it helps you
as a template or to get spare parts. :-)

And finally, have a look at EE lines in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
to see if any driver complains.


-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
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# /etc/X11/xorg.conf
# ==================

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Layout0"
	Screen	0	"Screen0"		0	0
	InputDevice	"Mouse0"		"CorePointer"
	InputDevice	"Keyboard0"		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"SingleCard"		"true"
EndSection

#Section "ServerFlags"
#	Option		"DontVTSwitch"		"false"
#	Option		"DontZap"		"false"
#	Option		"DontZoom"		"false"
#	Option		"Xinerama"		"false"
#	Option		"AIGLX"			"true"
#EndSection

Section "Files"
	RgbPath		"/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
	ModulePath	"/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/share/ghostscript/fonts/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/share/fonts/amspsfont/type1/"
	FontPath	"/usr/local/share/fonts/cmpsfont/type1/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load		"GLcore"
	Load		"dbe"
	Load		"dri"
	Load		"extmod"
	Load		"glx"
	Load		"record"
	Load		"xtrap"
	Load		"freetype"
	Load		"type1"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode		0666
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Keyboard0"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"XkbModel"		"pc105"
	Option		"XkbLayout"		"de"
	Option		"AutoRepeat"		"250 30"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Mouse0"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"Protocol"		"auto"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/sysmouse"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
	Option		"EmulateWheel"		"true"
	Option		"EmulateWheelButton"	"2"
        Option          "ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
#	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Monitor0"
	VendorName	"EIZO"
	ModelName	"FlexScan F980"
	HorizSync	30.0 - 137.0
	VertRefresh	50.0 - 160.0
#	DisplaySize	400 300
	Option		"DPMS"		"false"
#	ModeLine	"1400x1050"	155.80 1400 1464 1784 1912  1050 1052 1064 1090 +hsync +vsync
#	Modeline	"1152x864"  	108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600   864  865  868  900 +hsync +vsync
#	Modeline	"1024x768"	 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376   768  769  772  808 +hsync +vsync
#	Modeline	"800x600"	 56.30  800  832  896 1048   600  601  604  631 +hsync +vsync
#	Modeline	"640x480"	 36.00  640  696  752  832   480  481  484  509 -hsync -vsync
	Option		"PreferredMode"	"1152x864"
	# freezes system if set to 1400x1050
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Card0"
	Driver		"ati"
#	Driver		"radeon"
	VendorName	"ATI Technologies Inc"
	BoardName	"Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000]"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
	Screen		0
#	VideoRam	131072
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Card1"
	Driver		"ati"
#	Driver		"radeon"
	VendorName	"ATI Technologies Inc"
	BoardName	"Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (Secondary)"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:1"
#	VideoRam	131072
	Screen		1
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Screen0"
	Device		"Card0"
	Monitor		"Monitor0"
	Option		"Accel"
	DefaultDepth	24
	SubSection	"Display"
#		Virtual		1400 1050
#		ViewPort	0 0
		Depth	24
		Visual	"TrueColor"
		Modes	"1152x864"
#		Modes	"1400x1050"
		# doesn't work
#		Modes	"1400x1050" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "320x240"
		# worked with XFree86, Ctrl+Alt+<+>/<-> for changing
	EndSubSection
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Hi,

Nspluginwrapper's website says that version 1.2.2 is capable of
installing flash 10. When I tried it, I got the message: no appropriate
viewer found. Any ideas?

-  
Regards,
Chris Chambers

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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Christopher Chambers
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> Hi,
>
> Nspluginwrapper's website says that version 1.2.2 is capable of
> installing flash 10. When I tried it, I got the message: no appropriate
> viewer found. Any ideas?

I just installed it with success on 7.2-RC1/amd64. I had
nspluginwrapper-1.2.2_2 already installed and installed flash10 with:

cd /usr/ports/www/linux-f8-flashplugin10
make install clean

Then I just ran this as my regular user:

nspluginwrapper -v -a -i

What option(s) were you using to nspluginwrapper? Can you provide the
full output from nspluginwrapper when you run it?

Regards,
Josh

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:16:45 -0700, Charles Oppermann <chuckop@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm having similar problems after upgrading an older machine to Xorg
>> 7.4.  The monitor blinks it's power light indicating no signal.
>
>> While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press
>> CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then kill
>> the X server via CTRL+C.
>
> There's a new setting that needs to be put into xorg.conf:
>
> 	Section "ServerFlags"
> 		Option "DontZap" "false"
> 	EndSection
>
> Then you should be able to Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace to kill X.

Really, it's an old option with a new default.

>> Interestingly, if I restart the server (via Xorg, X, startx, etc), the
>> screen will switch to graphics mode and briefly show the contents of the
>> previous session, and then go blank.  I believe I'm seeing the contents
>> of the video memory after the mode switch and before the video memory is
>> overwritten or erased.
>
> I've seen such a behaviour before, because X seemed to be unable
> to update the screen contents.
>
>> I believe that Xorg is working fine, but somehow the video card is told
>> to blank the screen (maybe via DPMS?) or is otherwise incorrectly
>> programmed.

Could be that the monitor is not seeing output it likes from the video 
card and auto-blanking.

General notes:

First try without an xorg.conf at all.  xorg will autoconfig.  If it 
gets it right, or almost right, you can pull the values for xorg.conf 
out of /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

If autoconfig doesn't get things right, still try with a minimal 
xorg.conf.  For instance, all you need in a monitor section is

Section "Monitor"
         Identifier   "Monitor0"
EndSection

Note in Xorg.0.log all the modules that load by default, and realize 
that you can pretty much leave out the Modules section.

Repeating again that you don't need a ServerFlags section, those 
settings can go in ServerLayout.

>> I'll also remove all the .xinitrc, .xsession, left over crud as well.
>
> You could be fine with a minimal .xinitrc and .xsession, both
> chmodded +x. with this content:
>
> ~/.xinitrc
> 	#!/bin/sh
> 	xset -dpms
> 	xterm &
> 	exec twm
>
> ~/.xsession
> 	#!/bin/csh
> 	source ~/.cshrc
> 	exec ~/.xinitrc

Unnecessary, since /usr/local/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc will be used if 
there is no user default.

>
>> This is a machine using the VESA driver with an older Voodoo Banshee 
>> AGP card.
>
> VESA? Isn't there a driver for this card that gets automatically
> detected (hahaha) by X .-configure?

There's a voodoo driver in ports; no idea if it works with that card.
Recent copy of xorg.conf here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-x11/2009-April/008206.html

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA

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I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:

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owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve

I can send mail out from the box but can't fetch mail.

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Annelise Anderson wrote:

> I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
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> fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address 
> owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
>
> I can send mail out from the box but can't fetch mail.
>
so check why domain doesn't resolve. and if it have to not - use option to 
put mails directly to file or through procmail and not local SMTP

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Hi, all.  

I want to create a customized freebsd livecd, and i have read quite a
lot guides about how to do that. but the problem is: most of these
need make buildworld, make buildkernel ... I think it's hard for my
notebook do that. so is there a simpler/quicker way in which i can
create a livecd, what i want to be included in the livecd are the base
freebsd system plus some customized packages/config files.



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Annelise Anderson wrote:
> I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
> 
> fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address 
> owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
> 
> I can send mail out from the box but can't fetch mail.
> 
>     Annelise
> 
> _______________________________________________
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post your .fetchmailrc config file

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   Unable to successfully dump | restore over ssh. Source machine
FreeBSD 6.2, disk /dev/mirror/gm0s1a, target machine FreeBSD 6.2, target
disk /dev/ad1s1a mounted on /mnt.

 Run dump -0aLf - / | ssh ip_address ''cd /mnt/ &&cat | restore -rf -'',
dump/restore goes without any errors.

 Fstab fixed, but system failure to boot: BTX halted.=20

 Please help.

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Daniel Vanags

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Fbsd1 wrote:
> Annelise Anderson wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
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>> owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
>>
>> I can send mail out from the box but can't fetch mail.
>>
>>     Annelise
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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>>
> 
> post your .fetchmailrc config file
> 
> 
I'm running fetchmail from the command line (haven't created a 
..fetchmailrc file):

fetchmail -v -k -p POP3 -u myusername my.mail.host

I can ping freebsd.org, and get a response from nslookup.


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also can you ping freebsd.org?


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=20

   Unable to successfully dump | restore over ssh. Source machine
FreeBSD 6.2, disk /dev/mirror/gm0s1a,=20

 target machine FreeBSD 6.2, target disk /dev/ad1s1a mounted on /mnt.

 Run dump -0aLf - / | ssh ip_address ''cd /mnt/ && cat | restore - rf
-'',  dump/restore goes without any errors.

 Fstab fixed, but system failure to boot: BTX halted.=20

 Please help.

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Today when I used fetchmail to get my mails, it suddenly said that if failed
to connect to localhost:25 and failed to send the mail to myself, does anyone
know why?
The information that fetch out put
reading message xxxx@xxx.xx:1 of 3 (2223 octets)
Trying to connect to 127.0.0.1/25...connection failed.
fetchmail: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection refused.
Trying to connect to ::1/25...connection failed.
fetchmail: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection refused.
fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:37:34PM +0800, XXXX wrote:
fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from xxxx@xxx.xx and delivering to SMTP host localhost
fetchmail: 6.3.9 querying pop.163.com (protocol POP3) at Mon Apr 20 18:19:06 2009: poll completed
fetchmail: Query status=10 (SMTP)
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> target machine FreeBSD 6.2, target disk /dev/ad1s1a mounted on /mnt.
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> -'',  dump/restore goes without any errors.

1 total nonsense:

cat|restore instead of restore

2 probably nonsense:
use rsh not ssh unless you really need encryption.

>
> Fstab fixed, but system failure to boot: BTX halted.

bsdlabel -B

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I have read the cp manual and I cannot find an option how to copy directories without files they contain. Is this possible? 

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On 4/20/09, Zbigniew Szalbot <z.szalbot@lcwords.com> wrote:
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> I have read the cp manual and I cannot find an option how to copy
> directories without files they contain. Is this possible?

Maybe I read it wrong, but the subject and the paragraph above say two
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> On 4/20/09, Zbigniew Szalbot <z.szalbot@lcwords.com> wrote:
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> Maybe I read it wrong, but the subject and the paragraph above say two
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Ahh... I am sorry. Wrong subject. I want to copy directories without files they contain.

Zbigniew Szalbot

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot <z.szalbot@lcwords.com>wrote:

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> I have read the cp manual and I cannot find an option how to copy
> directories without files they contain. Is this possible?
> Thank you very much!


I don't get your requirement.
You'd like to copy empty directories from where to where? Is it a directory
tree or just leaves (TM, patented by me)?
(Leaves are at the same level,, below the branches, while trees contain
branches.

Wildly imagining..from a tree... or branches..

for d in `find /source/path/ -type d`; do mkdir -p /some/path/$d; done

(Untested).




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2009/4/20 Zbigniew Szalbot <z.szalbot@lcwords.com>

> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:22:38 +0200, Fernando Apestegu=C4=82a <
> fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On 4/20/09, Zbigniew Szalbot <z.szalbot@lcwords.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have read the cp manual and I cannot find an option how to copy
>>> directories without files they contain. Is this possible?
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I read it wrong, but the subject and the paragraph above say two
>> different things.
>>
>
> Ahh... I am sorry. Wrong subject. I want to copy directories without file=
s
> they contain.


For a directory tree, try my dose of medicine. I think it can work. It wont
set your system on fire if it doesn't:)



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Le Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:24:42 +0200,
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> Ahh... I am sorry. Wrong subject. I want to copy directories without
> files they contain.

see mtree(8)
Something like 
$ mtree -dc -p path1 | mtree -U -p path2 
 
will copy path1 under path2

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> Le Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:24:42 +0200,
> "Zbigniew Szalbot" <z.szalbot@lcwords.com>:
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> > Ahh... I am sorry. Wrong subject. I want to copy directories without
> > files they contain.
>
> see mtree(8)
> Something like
> $ mtree -dc -p path1 | mtree -U -p path2


Wow!! Looks brilliant. Several hidden swissknifes (yea, not knives)!

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:58:10 +0200
Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

[snip]

>> While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press=20
>> CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then
>> kill the X server via CTRL+C. =20
>
>There's a new setting that needs to be put into xorg.conf:
>
>	Section "ServerFlags"
>		Option "DontZap" "false"
>	EndSection
>
>Then you should be able to Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace to kill X.

Maybe I am reading this incorrectly; however, in my /etc/xorg.conf file,
I have this notation.

# Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
# This allows clients to receive this key event.

#    Option "DontZap"

It would seem the language is confusing. As I would understand it,
uncommenting the line disables the sequence. Therefore, it would seem
to indicate that leaving it commented out activates the sequence. Maybe
the language should be cleaned up.

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In message: <1bd550a00904190201q38e947eeq3b152a0a75782a9b@mail.gmail.co=
m>
            Fernando Apestegu=EDa <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> write=
s:
> 2009/4/19 Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com>:
> > 2009/4/19 Fernando Apestegu=EDa <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com>:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have the latest version of the ports collection (gotten with
> >> portsnap). I performed a whole update of my system (FreeBSD
> >> 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12). Everything went fine save the vim port.
> >>
> >
> > An upgrade of the base system Should Not(Tm) affect installed ports=

> > under normal conditions.
> >
> >> It is unable to download vim-7.2.tar.bz2 despite the fact that the=
 URL
> >> portupgrade tries to download from, exists:
> >> http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.2.tar.bz2
> >> It was unable to download the file from any other sites. Several
> >> different errors (Move permanently, range request not satisfiable.=
..)
> >>
> >
> > I am unfamiliar with automated port utilities. =A0What happens if y=
ou do
> > the following?:
> > =A0 cd /usr/ports/editors/vim; make deinstall distclean; make insta=
ll clean
> =

> It fetches all the files from the remote site without problems and it=

> installs it.
> =

> >
> >> However, I downloaded that file from the first site using 'fetch',=

> >> place the file in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim and I could install the=

> >> package...
> >>
> >
> > Don't confuse ports and packages. =A0They are two different ways to=

> > install third-party software (until they are installed -- then
> > everything is a package).
> =

> Sorry, change "package" for "port". What I wanted to say is: when
> installing the port, it couldn't download one of the needed files
> (vim-7.2.tar.bz2). After I did it by hand, it could install the port
> (compiling and all the stuff) because portupgrade found the file
> already downloaded in /usr/ports/distfiles/vim.

http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-users-jp@jp.freebsd.org/msg03072.ht=
ml

According to the link, the ports system fetch the file with
-r (resume) option when the previous file transfer had
interrupted.

However the file entity is changed with the same file name
in that period causes the fetch program failed, so you
needed the cleaning out of the file or fetch by hand before
upgrade, I guess.

I hope the ports system can handle this situation.

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Daniels Vanags
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>
>
>   Unable to successfully dump | restore over ssh. Source machine
> FreeBSD 6.2, disk /dev/mirror/gm0s1a,
>
>  target machine FreeBSD 6.2, target disk /dev/ad1s1a mounted on /mnt.
>
>  Run dump -0aLf - / | ssh ip_address ''cd /mnt/ && cat | restore - rf
> -'',  dump/restore goes without any errors.


dump L0af - / | ssh ip_addr '(cd /mnt; restore -rf -)'


>  Fstab fixed, but system failure to boot: BTX halted.


You could either do bdslabel -B or use sysinstall to do the same. Only you
mount the slice to /, set bootable and softupdates, then chane the mount
point to /mnt before you "W" to commit.




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On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Peter Wang wrote:

>
> Hi, all.
>
> I want to create a customized freebsd livecd, and i have read quite a
> lot guides about how to do that. but the problem is: most of these
> need make buildworld, make buildkernel ... I think it's hard for my
> notebook do that. so is there a simpler/quicker way in which i can
> create a livecd, what i want to be included in the livecd are the base
> freebsd system plus some customized packages/config files.


In order to create a livecd you need to run mkisofs somewhere that has  
a complete copy of FreeBSD.  There are two options for this, one being  
running it against the live install of your system (ala /) and the  
other option is populating a stage directory.  Most guides assume that  
the easiest way to do this is via the DESTDIR=/mystagedir option of  
make installworld installkernel distribution, and it probably is the  
easiest way, assuming you have done make buildworld buildkernel

In your case where this is an undesirable option you can do one of a  
few things.

1) Use the live system to build the stage directory...

# mkdir /usr/mystage ; ( cd / ; tar --exclude /usr/mystage -cf - .) |  
( cd /usrr/mystage -xf - )

2) copy over /usr/src and /usr/obj from a faster machine that's run  
make buildworld buildkernel and then use make installworld  
intallkernel distribution to build the stage dir

3) Use your live system directly to run mkisofs

Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


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On Monday 20 April 2009 12:20:15 =E5=BC=A0=E8=87=BB wrote:
> Today when I used fetchmail to get my mails, it suddenly said that if
> failed to connect to localhost:25 and failed to send the mail to myself,
> does anyone know why?
> The information that fetch out put
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> Trying to connect to 127.0.0.1/25...connection failed.
> fetchmail: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection

sendmail/postfix/whatever_mta not running.
=2D-=20
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On Monday 20 April 2009 08:23:42 Peter Wang wrote:

> I want to create a customized freebsd livecd, and i have read quite a
> lot guides about how to do that. but the problem is: most of these
> need make buildworld, make buildkernel ... I think it's hard for my
> notebook do that. so is there a simpler/quicker way in which i can
> create a livecd, what i want to be included in the livecd are the base
> freebsd system plus some customized packages/config files.

If you already built them, skip buildworld/kernel in whichever guide you're 
using. Can't skip the install part tho.
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> >> I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
> >>
> >> fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address
> >> owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve

The question isn't whether you can resolve it, but whether your mailserver 
can. Check your mail log for the smtp server. If the mailserver is chrooted, 
check for $chrootdir/etc/resolv.conf.
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Hello,

>> Ahh... I am sorry. Wrong subject. I want to copy directories without
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> see mtree(8)
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>will copy path1 under path2

Excellent! Thank you so much!

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On Sunday 19 April 2009 19:06:55 John Almberg wrote:

> I've thought about setting up a dummy server, just to practice on. Is
> this a good idea?

If this is to get a feel for the upgrade process, sure. But if the hardware is 
different, you won't be much wiser for the production box in question. I'm not 
upgrading a 6.4 for a client, because a previous upgrade to 7.0-STABLE hosed 
the data on the disk, due to an ata-regression. This is fixed most likely in 
7.1-STABLE, but I'm not gambling just yet. Regressions are rare in FreeBSD 
(technically it's not a regression, the original 6.3 ran in UDMA mode and the 
7.0 thought it could handle SATA, but it didn't), but they do happen.

Either way with 7.2 around the corner, I would wait till that's out or do the 
testing with 7.2-PRERELEASE, since it's getting an awful lot of testing now.
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On Sunday 19 April 2009 19:42:39 Doug Hardie wrote:
> While most of the update process is
> waiting for things to complete, mergemaster requires a lot of
> responses to a ton of questions about updates to configuration files.
> The vast majority of those will be to install the new version.
> However, there are some where you really need to review the changes
> and make sure your unique configuration gets carried over into the new
> files.  Its really easy to get into the "i" mode and skip right
> through some of those.  The recovery from that will be painful.

-iU is your friend. Only painful if you have custom rc.d files that depend on 
functionality in other rc.d files.

-i => install files that do not exist yet
-U => upgrade files that you have not modified

It's a blessing and reduces much of mergemaster's operator attention.
-- 
Mel

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On Monday 20 April 2009 03:11:08 Eitan Adler wrote:
> > If it still doesn't work put a verbose boot dmesg of snd_hda and pcm
> > somewhere (see the man page of snd_hda) and ask on the
> > freebsd-multimedia@ mailing list.
>
> #sysctl hw.snd.default_unit=0
> Works - thanks.  Now - to make this change stick I add it to
> /boot/loader.conf ?

As said in sound(4) manpage, that I already mentioned in previous mail, it's a 
sysctl and as such belongs in /etc/sysctl.conf.
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Subject: Re: Problems with Xorg after portupgrade
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Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:58:10 +0200
> Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>   
>>> While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press 
>>> CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then
>>> kill the X server via CTRL+C.  
>>>       
>> There's a new setting that needs to be put into xorg.conf:
>>
>> 	Section "ServerFlags"
>> 		Option "DontZap" "false"
>> 	EndSection
>>
>> Then you should be able to Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace to kill X.
>>     
>
> Maybe I am reading this incorrectly; however, in my /etc/xorg.conf file,
> I have this notation.
>
> # Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
> # This allows clients to receive this key event.
>
> #    Option "DontZap"
>
> It would seem the language is confusing. As I would understand it,
> uncommenting the line disables the sequence. Therefore, it would seem
> to indicate that leaving it commented out activates the sequence. Maybe
> the language should be cleaned up.
>
>   
Heh, it can be quite confusing because it enables the system to *not* do 
something, which is the reverse of what we usually think options do.
Using Option "DontZap" simply enables  "DontZap" which prevents 
CTRL+ALT+BSKP from being used. Hence disabling DontZap allows X-Server 
to be... Zapped or killed by the key  combination ;)


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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:46:05PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> use rsh not ssh unless you really need encryption.

Sure, you *could* do that, but be sure to encrypt *and* sign the
backup stream beforehand, e.g. using openssl or gnupg... And even
then, anyone sniffing that poorly encrypted (at layer 2) wireless LAN
connection could still hijack the password, log into the backup host,
and delete or corrupt the (encrypted) dump files.

Perhaps it's better to use ssh anyway, even for encrypted and signed
dump files. Creating and transfering a couple of key files to the
clients and backup host and using ssh(1) is not hard. Really not. ;-)

-cpghost.

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On Monday 20 April 2009 14:59:55 cpghost wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:46:05PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > use rsh not ssh unless you really need encryption.
>
> Sure, you *could* do that, but be sure to encrypt *and* sign the
> backup stream beforehand, e.g. using openssl or gnupg... And even
> then, anyone sniffing that poorly encrypted (at layer 2) wireless LAN
> connection could still hijack the password, log into the backup host,
> and delete or corrupt the (encrypted) dump files.
>
> Perhaps it's better to use ssh anyway, even for encrypted and signed
> dump files. Creating and transfering a couple of key files to the
> clients and backup host and using ssh(1) is not hard. Really not. ;-)

But doesn't use full network capacity. Closed circuit LAN's (yes, they still 
do exist) don't need ssh, but a level 0 dump of several TB of data does need 
full lan speed.
-- 
Mel

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Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:12:16 +0100
> jigger smith <jigger@webtribe.net> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to use FreeBSD on my Apple G4 iBook, can you tell me if
>> the ADB keyboard is supported in the latest version available?
>>
>> I use FreeBSD on both my i386's and servers, so it would make sense to
>> use it on my laptop instead of OpenBSD.
> 
> ADB support was added fairly recently and is only available on
> -current and hasn't been MFC'd to -stable.  On the G4 you'll probably
> want to run the following at the OpenFirmware prompt to make the CPU
> run at full speed:
> 
> dev /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0
> set-dfs-high
> 
> You can find powerpc -current ISO images at
> pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200812 on most FreeBSD ftp mirrors - I can't
> find any newer images, they don't seem to have been built for powerpc in
> February.
> 
Hi Bruce,

First, thanks very much for your help.

I downloaded the a iso of -current from a UK mirror. But when booting
from this, after showing all the devices as it loads it finally displays
  the following messages:

WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance
acd0: WARNING - SETFEATURE SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout -
         completing request directly
acd0: TIMEOUT - READ_BIG retrying (1 try left)
acd0: WARNING - SETFEATURE SET TRANSFER MODE taskqueue timeout -
         completing request directly
acd0: TIMEOUT - READ_BIG retrying (0 try left)
acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG timed out

These messages are then repeated endlessly.

Also at the Openfirmware screen, as you suggested I typed:

dev /cpus/PowerPC,G4@0

then:

set-dfs-high

which the response was: unknown word

Have you any idea what this is all about?

Kind regards,

Liam Sullivan



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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:58:15 +0300
Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:

>Jerry wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:58:10 +0200
>> Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>  =20
>>>> While CTRL+ALT+Backspace does not kill the X server, I can press=20
>>>> CTRL+ALT+F1 or ALT+F1 to return to the text mode console.  I then
>>>> kill the X server via CTRL+C. =20
>>>>      =20
>>> There's a new setting that needs to be put into xorg.conf:
>>>
>>> 	Section "ServerFlags"
>>> 		Option "DontZap" "false"
>>> 	EndSection
>>>
>>> Then you should be able to Ctrl+Alt+BkSpace to kill X.
>>>    =20
>>
>> Maybe I am reading this incorrectly; however, in my /etc/xorg.conf
>> file, I have this notation.
>>
>> # Uncomment this to disable the <Ctrl><Alt><BS> server abort sequence
>> # This allows clients to receive this key event.
>>
>> #    Option "DontZap"
>>
>> It would seem the language is confusing. As I would understand it,
>> uncommenting the line disables the sequence. Therefore, it would seem
>> to indicate that leaving it commented out activates the sequence.
>> Maybe the language should be cleaned up.
>>
>>  =20
>Heh, it can be quite confusing because it enables the system to *not*
>do something, which is the reverse of what we usually think options do.
>Using Option "DontZap" simply enables  "DontZap" which prevents=20
>CTRL+ALT+BSKP from being used. Hence disabling DontZap allows X-Server=20
>to be... Zapped or killed by the key  combination ;)

I agree. I hate programmers who think they have to 'confuse' the end
user. Setting something off to enable it, and vice versa is neither
logical or intuitive.

Maybe changing the option to:  OPTION "EnableKill" "On"
and then explaining the with it enabled the <CTRL>+<ALT>+<BKSP> key
combination is enabled would make more sense.

--=20
Jerry
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Josh Paetzel <josh@tcbug.org> writes:

> On Apr 20, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Peter Wang wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I want to create a customized freebsd livecd, and i have read quite a
>> lot guides about how to do that. but the problem is: most of these
>> need make buildworld, make buildkernel ... I think it's hard for my
>> notebook do that. so is there a simpler/quicker way in which i can
>> create a livecd, what i want to be included in the livecd are the base
>> freebsd system plus some customized packages/config files.
>
>
> In order to create a livecd you need to run mkisofs somewhere that has
> a complete copy of FreeBSD.  There are two options for this, one being
> running it against the live install of your system (ala /) and the
> other option is populating a stage directory.  Most guides assume that
> the easiest way to do this is via the DESTDIR=/mystagedir option of
> make installworld installkernel distribution, and it probably is the
> easiest way, assuming you have done make buildworld buildkernel
>
> In your case where this is an undesirable option you can do one of a
> few things.
>
> 1) Use the live system to build the stage directory...
>
> # mkdir /usr/mystage ; ( cd / ; tar --exclude /usr/mystage -cf - .) |
> ( cd /usrr/mystage -xf - )
Thanks for you advices, i'll try method 1) myself.


>
> 2) copy over /usr/src and /usr/obj from a faster machine that's run
> make buildworld buildkernel and then use make installworld
> intallkernel distribution to build the stage dir
>
> 3) Use your live system directly to run mkisofs
>
> Thanks,
>
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I'm setting up serial console access to our machines.

One of them isn't giving a login prompt, and I noticed a difference in
dmesg output:

> sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0
> sio0: type 16550A
> sio0: [FILTER]

The last line I don't see on boxes where all is fine. My C reading isn't
that good, but I've found in /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_bus.c:

> bus_setup_intr(device_t dev, struct resource *r, int flags,
>     driver_filter_t filter, driver_intr_t handler, void *arg, void **cookiep)
> {
>         int error;
> 
>         if (dev->parent != NULL) {
>                 error = BUS_SETUP_INTR(dev->parent, dev, r, flags,
>                     filter, handler, arg, cookiep);
>                 if (error == 0) {
>                         if (handler != NULL && !(flags & INTR_MPSAFE))
>                                 device_printf(dev, "[GIANT-LOCKED]\n");
>                         if (bootverbose && (flags & INTR_MPSAFE))
>                                 device_printf(dev, "[MPSAFE]\n");
>                         if (filter != NULL) {
>                                 if (handler == NULL)
>                                         device_printf(dev, "[FILTER]\n");
>                                 else   
>                                         device_printf(dev, "[FILTER+ITHREAD]\n");
>                         } else
>                                 device_printf(dev, "[ITHREAD]\n");
>                 }
>         } else
>                 error = EINVAL;
>         return (error);
> }

But what does it mean?


Thanks,

-- Frederique

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I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
starting point.

I have installed:

cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers
gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device

The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.


There seem to be several issues with printing. First, since this is a
USB printer, the pinter is always owned by root:operator with read
permissions for user, group, and world.

Adding these lines to /etc/devfs.conf
link ulpt0 printer
own ulpt0 cups:cups
perm ulpt0 0666

will set the ownership to cups:cups and the permissions to read and
write for user, group, and world on startup if the printer is already
turned on and plugged in. However, if the printer is not turned on at
startup, or if it is disconnected or turned off after system startup,
ownership and permissions revert.

Trying chown or chmod to the device at /dev/ulpt0 gives an invalid
path error, and trying to do so following the instructions in the man
page for devfs give 'operation not supported by device' errors.

When th device is owned by root, attempting to print the test page
generates a 'permission denied' error in CUPS. When the device is
owned by cups, attempting to print the test page generates a "failed"
error in CUPS.

When the device is owned by cups, this error is reported in the error
log in CUPS, if debug logging is enabled:

[CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory

There isn't a drivers directory in /usr/local/share/cups. I can make
one, but where do I get the pscript5.dll, and what else is it going to
rely on?

CUPS et al were installed using portinstall, and CUPS is working well
to produce .pdf files. I tried portupgrade last night on all the (I
think) relevant ports, but the system thinks they are all up to date.

So, questions:

1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not
   have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
   power cycle the printer?
2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
   me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I
   need to do to install it?


And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\

cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management
devfs_system_ruleset="system" # something else they say cups needs

but CUPS has to be manually started by root after each reboot. what
else needs to be done to get cupsd to start at startup?

Keith

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:58:39AM -0600, Keith Seyffarth wrote:

> 
> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.

What kind of printing do you need to do?
To send files to some either attached or network attached printer,
you just need to:

  set up an entry in  /etc/printcap  
      for a printer named myprt,  make something like: 
    
    lp|myprt|HP OfficeJet 4110 N:\
          :lp=:rp=myprt:rm=myprt.prt.full.hostname:\
          :sh:mx#0:\
          :sd=/var/spool/myprt:\
          :lf=/var/log/printer.log:
    (Of course, change myprt.prt.full.hostname to a real address)

  create a spool directory for it in /var/spool 
        (eg for a printer named myprt in printcap, 
         create a /var/spool/myprt directory 

  create an empty log file for it
     touch /var/log/printer.log

  then enable lpd in /etc/rc.conf -  lpd_enable="YES"

This sets up a 'standard' printer destination (named lp)
Then you can print using lpr(1)

Some utilities want to use cups and other heavy stuff, but
just for regular printing - of a file or from firefox or openoffice, etc
you don't need that.

////jerry



> 
> I have installed:
> 
> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers
> gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device
> 
> The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.
> 
> 
> There seem to be several issues with printing. First, since this is a
> USB printer, the pinter is always owned by root:operator with read
> permissions for user, group, and world.
> 
> Adding these lines to /etc/devfs.conf
> link ulpt0 printer
> own ulpt0 cups:cups
> perm ulpt0 0666
> 
> will set the ownership to cups:cups and the permissions to read and
> write for user, group, and world on startup if the printer is already
> turned on and plugged in. However, if the printer is not turned on at
> startup, or if it is disconnected or turned off after system startup,
> ownership and permissions revert.
> 
> Trying chown or chmod to the device at /dev/ulpt0 gives an invalid
> path error, and trying to do so following the instructions in the man
> page for devfs give 'operation not supported by device' errors.
> 
> When th device is owned by root, attempting to print the test page
> generates a 'permission denied' error in CUPS. When the device is
> owned by cups, attempting to print the test page generates a "failed"
> error in CUPS.
> 
> When the device is owned by cups, this error is reported in the error
> log in CUPS, if debug logging is enabled:
> 
> [CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory
> 
> There isn't a drivers directory in /usr/local/share/cups. I can make
> one, but where do I get the pscript5.dll, and what else is it going to
> rely on?
> 
> CUPS et al were installed using portinstall, and CUPS is working well
> to produce .pdf files. I tried portupgrade last night on all the (I
> think) relevant ports, but the system thinks they are all up to date.
> 
> So, questions:
> 
> 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not
>    have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
>    power cycle the printer?
> 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
>    me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I
>    need to do to install it?
> 
> 
> And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
> start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
> 
> cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management
> devfs_system_ruleset="system" # something else they say cups needs
> 
> but CUPS has to be manually started by root after each reboot. what
> else needs to be done to get cupsd to start at startup?
> 
> Keith
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> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular=2C but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.
>=20
> I have installed:
>=20
> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-=
PS printers
> gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1=2C1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One =
device
>=20
> The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.
>=20
>=20
> There seem to be several issues with printing. First=2C since this is a
> USB printer=2C the pinter is always owned by root:operator with read
> permissions for user=2C group=2C and world.
>=20
> Adding these lines to /etc/devfs.conf
> link ulpt0 printer
> own ulpt0 cups:cups
> perm ulpt0 0666
>=20
> will set the ownership to cups:cups and the permissions to read and
> write for user=2C group=2C and world on startup if the printer is already
> turned on and plugged in. However=2C if the printer is not turned on at
> startup=2C or if it is disconnected or turned off after system startup=2C
> ownership and permissions revert.
>=20
> Trying chown or chmod to the device at /dev/ulpt0 gives an invalid
> path error=2C and trying to do so following the instructions in the man
> page for devfs give 'operation not supported by device' errors.
>
> When th device is owned by root=2C attempting to print the test page
> generates a 'permission denied' error in CUPS. When the device is
> owned by cups=2C attempting to print the test page generates a "failed"
> error in CUPS.
>=20
> When the device is owned by cups=2C this error is reported in the error
> log in CUPS=2C if debug logging is enabled:
>=20
> [CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directo=
ry
>=20
> There isn't a drivers directory in /usr/local/share/cups. I can make
> one=2C but where do I get the pscript5.dll=2C and what else is it going t=
o
> rely on?
>=20
> CUPS et al were installed using portinstall=2C and CUPS is working well
> to produce .pdf files. I tried portupgrade last night on all the (I
> think) relevant ports=2C but the system thinks they are all up to date.
>=20
> So=2C questions:
>=20
> 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick=2C so that I do not
>    have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
>    power cycle the printer?


You should use /etc/devfs.rules instead=2C adding something like:



add path 'ulpt*' mode 0660 group cups



This will set the right permissions when the node is created.


> 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
>    me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so=2C what do I
>    need to do to install it?
>=20
>=20
> And=2C actually=2C a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
> start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
>=20
> cupsd_enable=3D"YES" # enable cups printing management
> devfs_system_ruleset=3D"system" # something else they say cups needs
>=20
> but CUPS has to be manually started by root after each reboot. what
> else needs to be done to get cupsd to start at startup?
>=20
> Keith
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Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> writes:

> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.


A laudable ambition!

> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers
> gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device

Looks good so far.

> The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.

> 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not
>    have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
>    power cycle the printer?

Wrong file  - add the changes to /etc/devfs.rules

/etc/devfs.conf is for fixed devices - devfs.rules for plug-in stuff.

> 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
>    me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I
>    need to do to install it?

I don't know - try it with the permissions set as above.


> And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
> start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
>
> cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management

That should be enough to get it running.

> devfs_system_ruleset="system" # something else they say cups needs

in which  case the first line in /etc/devfs.rules should be

[system=10] 

that line starts a new ruleset with the name system and the number 10


atb


Glyn

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Keith Seyffarth wrote:
> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.
>
> I have installed:
>
> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers
> gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device
>
> The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.
>
> <SNIP>

Follow the instructions here:

http://desktopbsd.net/wiki/doku.php?id=doc:printing

(prefer to build from ports rather than adding the packages as the
instructions suggest)

Note there are two files with permissions, devfs.conf and devfs.rules -
you must make entries in both.
One is for devices found during startup, the other for devices that are
hot-plugged afterwards.
cupsd_enable="YES" should do the trick in rc.conf - nothing else needed
to start cups as a service.
Also note that cups has an lpr compatible interface, but should you wish
to print from the command line using cups, you will have to usr
/usr/local/bin/lpr to make sure you are running the cups' executable of
lpr. Generally you should not need to touch any other cups related files
to make it work. Just visit the web interface at http://localhost:631
and make any settings there.


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Sorry - meant to add this to post

Take a look here:- 

http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-OfficeJet_4110

A free driver is available, rather than the windows .dll


Good luck :-)

atb


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Hi,

I ran into the ESXi limit of 4 NICs per VM, so I figured I would work 
around this using FreeBSD's vlan devices.

I made 2 test installs with the following interface configuration:

test1:
ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig vlan create
ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev em0

test2:
ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig vlan create
ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev em0

I can ping the other machine using the 10.10.10.x IP address no problem, 
but the 192.168.1.x addresses don't work. I've tried setting the vlan id 
on the vSwitch to none and to 22, but in neither of the two cases does 
it work.

Does anybody have FreeBSD vlan's working on ESXi or know how to get it 
working?

Many thanks,
Sebastiaan van Erk

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Hello Sebastian:
--------

Hi,

I ran into the ESXi limit of 4 NICs per VM, so I figured I would work=20
around this using FreeBSD's vlan devices.

I made 2 test installs with the following interface configuration:

test1:
ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig vlan create
ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
em0

test2:
ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig vlan create
ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
em0

I can ping the other machine using the 10.10.10.x IP address no problem,

but the 192.168.1.x addresses don't work. I've tried setting the vlan id

on the vSwitch to none and to 22, but in neither of the two cases does=20
it work.

--------
[Michael K. Smith - Adhost]=20

You will need to make sure the switchport facing your server is set to
802.1Q trunk and has VLAN 22 allowed.  The IP address on em0 itself is
"untagged" so it will work regardless of the port settings on the
switch. VLAN 22 has the 4-byte header attached so the other side has to
recognize the tag.

Regards,

Mike

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<snip>

> Follow the instructions here:
> 
> http://desktopbsd.net/wiki/doku.php?id=doc:printing

I'm currently four days of troubleshooting after having done all
that's listed on that wiki entry (though I didn't find that page until
yesterday), and still trying to get close. That would be one of the
pages I obliquely referred to as assuming that printing was
possible...

<snip>

> cupsd_enable="YES" should do the trick in rc.conf - nothing else
> needed to start cups as a service.

I'd have to disagree with this statement, based on experience. That
line has been in rc.conf since Januray, and cupsd *never* starts on
boot. I'd guess that there has to be something else done somewhere to
get it to actually start.

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Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted with
with help from ccd2iso tool), I used

mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./"isoimage.iso" -u 3
mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /cdrom

and

mdconfig -a -f /path/disk.iso md1
mount -t cd9660 /dev/md1 /mnt/path

variant of the proper way. It doesn't work.

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On Monday 20 April 2009 18:32:58 =D0=95=D0=B2=D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B9=
 =D0=9B wrote:
> Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted wi=
th
> with help from ccd2iso tool)

Tried that too, I think that tool is broken, cause known working ISOs work=
=20
with mdconfig as you described :/
=2D-=20
Mel

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Hi,

Running FreeBSD 5.3  IN /etc/ntp.conf I have:

server time.nist.gov prefer
server tock.gpsclock.com
driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
logfile /var/log/ntp.log

If I run ntpdate from a prompt, I get the following  error message:

# ntpdate
20 Apr 12:02:08 ntpdate[50109]: no servers can be used, exiting

But if I type:

ntpdate time.nist.gov   it will update the time. Is there something =
wrong with my /etc/ntp.conf file?

Lisa Casey

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Keith Seyffarth wrote:
> <snip>
>
>   
>> Follow the instructions here:
>>
>> http://desktopbsd.net/wiki/doku.php?id=doc:printing
>>     
>
> I'm currently four days of troubleshooting after having done all
> that's listed on that wiki entry (though I didn't find that page until
> yesterday), and still trying to get close. That would be one of the
> pages I obliquely referred to as assuming that printing was
> possible...
>
>   

When I read that the first time, I didn't have much idea of CUPS and
devfs rules. I could still make it work.

>> cupsd_enable="YES" should do the trick in rc.conf - nothing else
>> needed to start cups as a service.
>>     
>
> I'd have to disagree with this statement, based on experience. That
> line has been in rc.conf since Januray, and cupsd *never* starts on
> boot. I'd guess that there has to be something else done somewhere to
> get it to actually start.
>   

There must be some problem in your system - there is nothing else in my
rc.conf  about cups, and it does start at boot on my system.


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Lisa Casey wrote:
> Running FreeBSD 5.3  IN /etc/ntp.conf I have:
>
> server time.nist.gov prefer
> server tock.gpsclock.com
> driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
> logfile /var/log/ntp.log
>
> If I run ntpdate from a prompt, I get the following  error message:
>
> # ntpdate
> 20 Apr 12:02:08 ntpdate[50109]: no servers can be used, exiting
>
> But if I type:
>
> ntpdate time.nist.gov   it will update the time. Is there something wrong with my /etc/ntp.conf file?
>
>   


Give it some time (15-20 minutes or so). It will start to work like magic.


-- Frederique

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM, =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA =EC <root1101@gmail=
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> Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted wi=
th
> with help from ccd2iso tool), I used
>
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./"isoimage.iso" -u 3
> mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /cdrom
>
> and
>
> mdconfig -a -f /path/disk.iso md1
> mount -t cd9660 /dev/md1 /mnt/path
>
> variant of the proper way. It doesn't work.

Both work fine here on 7.2-RC1/amd64:

root@pflog:~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./7.2-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso
md0
root@pflog:~# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt && ls /mnt && umount /mnt
boot         boot.catalog cdrom.inf

root@pflog:~# mdconfig -d -u 0

root@pflog:~# mdconfig -a -f ./7.2-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso -u 3
root@pflog:~# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /mnt && ls /mnt && umount /mnt
boot         boot.catalog cdrom.inf

How doesn't it work? What error do you get? I would be more suspicious
of the .iso file being invalid/corrupt.

Regards,
Josh

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Lisa Casey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Running FreeBSD 5.3  IN /etc/ntp.conf I have:
> 
> server time.nist.gov prefer
> server tock.gpsclock.com
> driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
> logfile /var/log/ntp.log
> 
> If I run ntpdate from a prompt, I get the following  error message:
> 
> # ntpdate
> 20 Apr 12:02:08 ntpdate[50109]: no servers can be used, exiting
> 
> But if I type:
> 
> ntpdate time.nist.gov   it will update the time. Is there something wrong with my /etc/ntp.conf file?

I don't believe ntpdate uses ntp.conf.  Try ntpd -q

I don't have 5 running anywhere anymore, but if you read the man pages 
for 6.3, it's clear that ntpdate is depreciated and on its way out.

Or you could just run ntpd as a daemon to maintain your time.
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Lisa Casey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Running FreeBSD 5.3  IN /etc/ntp.conf I have:
> 
> server time.nist.gov prefer
> server tock.gpsclock.com
> driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
> logfile /var/log/ntp.log
> 
> If I run ntpdate from a prompt, I get the following  error message:
> 
> # ntpdate
> 20 Apr 12:02:08 ntpdate[50109]: no servers can be used, exiting
> 
> But if I type:
> 
> ntpdate time.nist.gov   it will update the time. Is there something wrong with my /etc/ntp.conf file?
> 
> Lisa Casey

/etc/ntp.conf is for ntpd

Peter

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Jon Radel wrote:
> Lisa Casey wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Running FreeBSD 5.3  IN /etc/ntp.conf I have:
>>
>> server time.nist.gov prefer
>> server tock.gpsclock.com
>> driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
>> logfile /var/log/ntp.log
>>
>> If I run ntpdate from a prompt, I get the following  error message:
>>
>> # ntpdate
>> 20 Apr 12:02:08 ntpdate[50109]: no servers can be used, exiting
>>
>> But if I type:
>>
>> ntpdate time.nist.gov   it will update the time. Is there something
>> wrong with my /etc/ntp.conf file?
>
> I don't believe ntpdate uses ntp.conf.  Try ntpd -q
>
> I don't have 5 running anywhere anymore, but if you read the man pages
> for 6.3, it's clear that ntpdate is depreciated and on its way out.
>
> Or you could just run ntpd as a daemon to maintain your time.

Exactly.
If you wish to use your /etc/ntp.conf file, add this to /etc/rc.conf:

ntpd_enable="YES"

and start it with /etc/rc.d/ntpd start

check /var/log/messages to see when it kicks in. It normally takes some
time before it does the first correction. You will see messages like this:

Apr 20 18:41:46 atlantis ntpd[783]: time reset +0.416117 s
Apr 20 18:41:46 atlantis ntpd[783]: kernel time sync status change 2001

and then you will know it is working.


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Hi,

Thanks for your response! :-)

Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
> Hello Sebastian:
> --------
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I ran into the ESXi limit of 4 NICs per VM, so I figured I would work 
> around this using FreeBSD's vlan devices.
> 
> I made 2 test installs with the following interface configuration:
> 
> test1:
> ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ifconfig vlan create
> ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
> em0
> 
> test2:
> ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ifconfig vlan create
> ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
> em0
> 
> I can ping the other machine using the 10.10.10.x IP address no problem,
> 
> but the 192.168.1.x addresses don't work. I've tried setting the vlan id
> 
> on the vSwitch to none and to 22, but in neither of the two cases does 
> it work.
> 
> --------
> [Michael K. Smith - Adhost] 
> 
> You will need to make sure the switchport facing your server is set to
> 802.1Q trunk and has VLAN 22 allowed.  The IP address on em0 itself is
> "untagged" so it will work regardless of the port settings on the
> switch. VLAN 22 has the 4-byte header attached so the other side has to
> recognize the tag.

Just to clarify, both VM's are on a single ESXi server on a virtual 
switch, so no network hardware is involved. It is possible to configure 
the virtual switch to be on no vlan and on a specific vlan, but in both 
cases it didn't work. I'll see if I there are more settings I can change 
on the virtual switch.

> Regards,
> 
> Mike

Regards,
Sebastiaan

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> Sorry - meant to add this to post
> 
> Take a look here:- 
> 
> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-OfficeJet_4110
> 
> A free driver is available, rather than the windows .dll

Downloaded and installed that ppd and selected it fro the printer. It
still errors that the pscript5.dll is missing.

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--On Monday, April 20, 2009 11:32:58 -0500 "??????? ?" <root1101@gmail.com> 
wrote:

>
> Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted with
> with help from ccd2iso tool), I used
>
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./"isoimage.iso" -u 3
> mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /cdrom
>
> and
>
> mdconfig -a -f /path/disk.iso md1
> mount -t cd9660 /dev/md1 /mnt/path
>
> variant of the proper way. It doesn't work.

This works.  I got it from a previous post to the list answering my question 
two years ago.

To mount:

    mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 0 -f somefile.iso     mount -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt

To unmount:

    umount /mnt
    mdconfig -d -u 0

Thanks to A.J. Kehoe IV for posting that answer almost two years ago to the day.

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> > I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> > number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> > FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> > that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> > starting point.
> 
> 
> A laudable ambition!

OK, honestly, am I working under a valid assumption that it *is*
possible to print from FreeBSD? Or is this just going to engender
greater frustration?

> > cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> > cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> > cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-PS printers
> > gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> > libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> > hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One device
> 
> Looks good so far.

Thanks.

> > The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.
> 
> > 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not
> >    have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
> >    power cycle the printer?
> 
> Wrong file  - add the changes to /etc/devfs.rules
> 
> /etc/devfs.conf is for fixed devices - devfs.rules for plug-in stuff.

OK. I created and edited this file. At least now on attaching the
printer, the permissions are other than root:operator.

> > 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
> >    me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I
> >    need to do to install it?
> 
> I don't know - try it with the permissions set as above.

That doesn't change the behavior. It still fails to print, and seems
to error on a missing dll.

> > And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
> > start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
> >
> > cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management
> 
> That should be enough to get it running.

it doesn't. :(

> > devfs_system_ruleset="system" # something else they say cups needs
> 
> in which  case the first line in /etc/devfs.rules should be
> 
> [system=10] 
> 
> that line starts a new ruleset with the name system and the number 10

got that. However, it doesn't seem to have changed the behavior of the
system - well, other than the printer ownership s different when it is
plugged in.

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> >> Follow the instructions here:
> >>
> >> http://desktopbsd.net/wiki/doku.php?id=doc:printing
> >>     
> >
> > I'm currently four days of troubleshooting after having done all
> > that's listed on that wiki entry (though I didn't find that page until
> > yesterday), and still trying to get close. That would be one of the
> > pages I obliquely referred to as assuming that printing was
> > possible...
> >
> >   
> 
> When I read that the first time, I didn't have much idea of CUPS and
> devfs rules. I could still make it work.

yeah, the instructions there work great up to:

      "I then selected the Printer tab, clicked the Print test page,
      and successfully printed a test page."

I can go to the Printer tab and click "Print test page," but what
happens next is not even evidence of communication with the printer,
just a failed message.

> >> cupsd_enable="YES" should do the trick in rc.conf - nothing else
> >> needed to start cups as a service.
> >>     
> >
> > I'd have to disagree with this statement, based on experience. That
> > line has been in rc.conf since Januray, and cupsd *never* starts on
> > boot. I'd guess that there has to be something else done somewhere to
> > get it to actually start.
> >   
> 
> There must be some problem in your system - there is nothing else in my
> rc.conf  about cups, and it does start at boot on my system.

Yeah, I'm guessing that there is something missing somewhere, or
something that CUPS doesn't install by default, or something that is
supposed to be set in some other file, or something, I just haven't
got a clue where to look or what to look for.

Having to start cups manually isn't really all that bad, but it would
ne nice not to have to. However, that's all pretty moot if there isn't
a way to get ink to paper from a FreeBSD machine...

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> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-=
PS printers
> gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1=2C1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One =
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> > cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> > cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> > cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to non-=
> PS printers
> > gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> > libgnomecups-0.2.3_1=2C1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> > hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One =
> device
> 
> Just a question: do you have foomatic filters installed? OpenPrinting sugge=
> sts them=2C and I don't see them above.

yes:
foomatic-filters-3.0.2_4 Foomatic wrapper scripts

sorry I didn't list them previously.

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Keith Seyffarth wrote:
>>> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
>>> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
>>> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
>>> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
>>> starting point.
>>
>> A laudable ambition!
> 
> OK, honestly, am I working under a valid assumption that it *is*
> possible to print from FreeBSD? Or is this just going to engender
> greater frustration?

Unfortunately the frustration level tends to be inversely proportional 
to the brain power of the printer.  Things are relatively easy if you 
have a printer which directly accepts PostScript.  Unfortunately, this 
is not the case with an HP OfficeJet 4110, hence all the extra bits and 
fiddling.

But you can actually print from FreeBSD.  I've seen it with my very own 
eyes.  :-)

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> wrote:

>
> > > cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> > > cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> > > cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to
> non-=
> > PS printers
> > > gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> > > libgnomecups-0.2.3_1=2C1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> > > hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and
> All-in-One =
> > device
> >
> > Just a question: do you have foomatic filters installed? OpenPrinting
> sugge=
> > sts them=2C and I don't see them above.
>
> yes:
> foomatic-filters-3.0.2_4 Foomatic wrapper scripts
>
> sorry I didn't list them previously.
> _______________________________________________
>  <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
>

See the instructions here:  http://am-productions.biz/docs/hplip.php

One of the items is mentions is that hplip requires that ulpt be disabled so
that the printer appears as a 'ugen' device.  I think this requires
recompiling the kernel.

Also, remember that lpd has lp* files (in /usr/bin/ ?) that may conflict
with CUPS files of the same name in /usr/local/bin/.  Did you rename/move
the lpd versions?

I struggled with cups and hplip for weeks.  PCBSD seems to have these things
working well; but for my FreeBSD server, I've switched from an HP printer to
a used postscript Okidata.

Best of luck,

Andrew

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Andrew Gould <andrewlylegould@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > > cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
>> > > cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
>> > > cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to
>> non-=
>> > PS printers
>> > > gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
>> > > libgnomecups-0.2.3_1=2C1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
>> > > hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and
>> All-in-One =
>> > device
>> >
>> > Just a question: do you have foomatic filters installed? OpenPrinting
>> sugge=
>> > sts them=2C and I don't see them above.
>>
>> yes:
>> foomatic-filters-3.0.2_4 Foomatic wrapper scripts
>>
>> sorry I didn't list them previously.
>> _______________________________________________
>>  <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
>>
>
> See the instructions here:  http://am-productions.biz/docs/hplip.php
>
> One of the items is mentions is that hplip requires that ulpt be disabled
> so that the printer appears as a 'ugen' device.  I think this requires
> recompiling the kernel.
>
> Also, remember that lpd has lp* files (in /usr/bin/ ?) that may conflict
> with CUPS files of the same name in /usr/local/bin/.  Did you rename/move
> the lpd versions?
>
> I struggled with cups and hplip for weeks.  PCBSD seems to have these
> things working well; but for my FreeBSD server, I've switched from an HP
> printer to a used postscript Okidata.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Andrew
>

I should have added that the Okidata is printing via apsfilter.

Andrew

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Thanks guys,

I did have ntpd and ntpdate confused. I have things working now. 

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Corrected by original poster - to copy directories without files, try this:

  % cd /source/dir
  % find . -type d -depth -print | pax -rwd -pe /dest/dir

Permissions and modification times should be preserved.

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though all i really need is mysql/apache/php i have about 100 ports
installed and portmaster -a takes a long time to complete (hour or two).

so i'm wondering if i ought to be concerned about new binaries being
installed over the old ones on the disk while the old images are loaded and
running as daemons.

instead of doing portmaster -a, is there any advantage to:

portmaster -a -x mysql\-server -x apache
portmaster mysql\-server apache
reboot 

in order to minimize the time that the old servers are running while the new
images are on the disk?

tom



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--On Monday, April 20, 2009 12:36:03 -0500 Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> 
wrote:
>>
>> A laudable ambition!
>
> OK, honestly, am I working under a valid assumption that it *is*
> possible to print from FreeBSD? Or is this just going to engender
> greater frustration?
>

I can print from my FreeBSD box using CUPS.  Whether you can from yours I can't 
say.

>> > cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
>> > cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
>> > cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to
>> > non-PS printers gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
>> > libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
>> > hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and All-in-One
>> > device
>>

This is what I have:

pauls@utd65257# pkg_info -a | grep cups | sort -u
Information for cups-base-1.3.9_3:
Information for cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2:
WWW: http://www.cups.org/
WWW: http://www.cups.org/ghostscript.html
cups-base-1.3.9_3
cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2
that use these filters. This software is available in the cups-pstoraster
>
> OK. I created and edited this file. At least now on attaching the
> printer, the permissions are other than root:operator.
>

I never had to do this to get printing working, and my devfs.conf file is a 
sample file with no lines uncommented.  Printing works fine.  (Note that I am 
not printing to a local printer.)
>
> That doesn't change the behavior. It still fails to print, and seems
> to error on a missing dll.
>

This makes no sense at all.  DLLs are a Windows version of a library.  FreeBSD 
doesn't use them.  Are you by any chance trying to print through Wine?


>> > And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
>> > start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
>> >
>> > cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management
>>
>> That should be enough to get it running.
>
> it doesn't. :(
>

Do you have the startup script:
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?

If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?

You should have the following files and folders:

/usr/local/etc/cups/
classes.conf        interfaces/         mime.types.N        pstoraster.convs
cupsd.conf          mime.convs          ppd/                snmp.conf
cupsd.conf.N        mime.convs.N        printers.conf       snmp.conf.N
cupsd.conf.default  mime.types          printers.conf.O     ssl/

What's the output of this command?
# grep -v "#" /usr/local/etc/cups/cupsd.conf

What's the output of this command?
# cat /usr/local/etc/cups/printer.conf

Have you read the CUPS documentation?
http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/overview.html

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I have a directory called 'scans' that is owned by 'master', but I  
want to allow 'customer' to FTP images to that directory. This is the  
way I have permissions set:

# ls -l
drwxrwxr-x  5 master  customer     251904 Apr 20 10:29 scans

The problem is that when customer ftp's a file to the directory, the  
permissions end up like this:

-rw-r-----  1 customer customer  772584 Apr 20 15:28 image.jpg

When a process run by 'master' tries to copy this file to another  
directory (also owned by master), I get the following:

# cp scans/image.jpg thumbs/image.jpg
cp: scans/image.jpg: Permission denied

The only solution that occurs to me smells like a newbie kludge: to  
have a root cron job periodically chown all the images to  
master:customer. This seems like the proverbial sledgehammer. There  
must be a better way?

Any thoughts, much appreciated!

-- John


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Tom Worster wrote:
> though all i really need is mysql/apache/php i have about 100 ports
> installed and portmaster -a takes a long time to complete (hour or two)=
=2E
>=20
> so i'm wondering if i ought to be concerned about new binaries being
> installed over the old ones on the disk while the old images are loaded=
 and
> running as daemons.
>=20
> instead of doing portmaster -a, is there any advantage to:
>=20
> portmaster -a -x mysql\-server -x apache
> portmaster mysql\-server apache
> reboot=20
>=20
> in order to minimize the time that the old servers are running while th=
e new
> images are on the disk?
>

Many ports will shut down a running instance of themselves when upgraded
like this specifically to avoid the sort of complications that can occur
when the running image does not match what is on disk.

mysql does, apache doesn't. =20

So upgrade mysql-server last thing before you reboot.  Although I know yo=
u're
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g in
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    },
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Of couse, the best course of action is to plan sufficient downtime that y=
ou
can do the upgrades comfortably plus recover from any number of ways thin=
gs
might go wrong, but sometimes that simply isn't possible.

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<snip>

> This makes no sense at all.  DLLs are a Windows version of a library.  FreeBSD 

That's what I thought.  Here's the line in question:
D [20/Apr/2009:13:07:46 -0600] [CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory

> doesn't use them.  Are you by any chance trying to print through Wine?

Nope. Don't have Wine installed.

<snip>

> Do you have the startup script:
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?

yes

> If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?

currently it's:
cupsd is running as pid 721.

but I did start cups manually since my last reboot.

> You should have the following files and folders:
> 
> /usr/local/etc/cups/
> classes.conf        interfaces/         mime.types.N        pstoraster.convs
> cupsd.conf          mime.convs          ppd/                snmp.conf
> cupsd.conf.N        mime.convs.N        printers.conf       snmp.conf.N
> cupsd.conf.default  mime.types          printers.conf.O     ssl/

$ ls /usr/local/etc/cups/
classes.conf            cupsd.conf.default      printers.conf
classes.conf.O          interfaces              printers.conf.O
command.types           mime.convs              pstoraster.convs
cups-pdf.conf           mime.convs.N            snmp.conf
cups-pdf.conf.sample    mime.types              snmp.conf.N
cupsd.conf              mime.types.N            ssl
cupsd.conf.O            ppd


> What's the output of this command?
> # grep -v "#" /usr/local/etc/cups/cupsd.conf

LogLevel debug
SystemGroup wheel
Listen localhost:631
Listen /var/run/cups.sock
Browsing On
BrowseOrder allow,deny
BrowseAllow all
DefaultAuthType Basic
<Location />
  Order allow,deny
</Location>
<Location /admin>
  Encryption Required
  Order allow,deny
</Location>
<Location /admin/conf>
  AuthType Default
  Require user @SYSTEM
  Order allow,deny
</Location>
<Policy default>
  <Limit Send-Document Send-URI Hold-Job Release-Job Restart-Job
  Purge-Jobs Set-Job-Attributes Create-Job-Subscription
  Renew-Subscription Cancel-Subscription Get-Notifications
  Reprocess-Job Cancel-Current-Job Suspend-Current-Job Resume-Job
  CUPS-Move-Job>
    Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM
    Order deny,allow
  </Limit>
  <Limit CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer CUPS-Delete-Printer
  CUPS-Add-Modify-Class CUPS-Delete-Class CUPS-Set-Default>
    AuthType Default
    Require user @SYSTEM
    Order deny,allow
  </Limit>
  <Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Enable-Printer Disable-Printer
  Pause-Printer-After-Current-Job Hold-New-Jobs Release-Held-New-Jobs
  Deactivate-Printer Activate-Printer Restart-Printer Shutdown-Printer
  Startup-Printer Promote-Job Schedule-Job-After CUPS-Accept-Jobs
  CUPS-Reject-Jobs>
    AuthType Default
    Require user @SYSTEM
    Order deny,allow
  </Limit>
  <Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job>
    Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM
    Order deny,allow
  </Limit>
  <Limit All>
    Order deny,allow
  </Limit>
</Policy>

> What's the output of this command?
> # cat /usr/local/etc/cups/printer.conf

$ cat /usr/local/etc/cups/printers.conf
# Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.3.9
# Written by cupsd on 2009-04-20 12:51
<DefaultPrinter HP>
Info HP Officejet 4100
Location wherever
DeviceURI usb:/dev/ulpt0
State Idle
StateTime 1240253002
Accepting Yes
Shared Yes
JobSheets none none
QuotaPeriod 0
PageLimit 0
KLimit 0
OpPolicy default
ErrorPolicy stop-printer
</Printer>
<Printer PDFWriter>
Info Creates PDF files in /var/spool/cups-pdf/
Location Internal
DeviceURI cups-pdf:/
State Idle
StateTime 1231089826
Accepting Yes
Shared Yes
JobSheets none none
QuotaPeriod 0
PageLimit 0
KLimit 0
OpPolicy default
ErrorPolicy stop-printer
</Printer>

> Have you read the CUPS documentation?
> http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/overview.html

Most of that, plus the information in the FreeBSD handbook and FAQ,
and several sites instructions on setting up CUPS, and several pages
specifically on getting an OfficeJet 4110 working on Unix in general
or FreeBSD in particular, with or without CUPS, and a bunch of the
stuff in the online documentation in CUPS (from the Documentation/Help
tab; which seems to be the same as the documentation from CUPS.org).

It works well for creating .pdf files, but, from what I've seen so far
(with only one piece of hardware to try to work with), not very well
for getting a hardcopy directly.

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On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:48 PM, John Almberg wrote:

> I have a directory called 'scans' that is owned by 'master', but I  
> want to allow 'customer' to FTP images to that directory. This is  
> the way I have permissions set:
>
> # ls -l
> drwxrwxr-x  5 master  customer     251904 Apr 20 10:29 scans
>
> The problem is that when customer ftp's a file to the directory,  
> the permissions end up like this:
>
> -rw-r-----  1 customer customer  772584 Apr 20 15:28 image.jpg
>
> When a process run by 'master' tries to copy this file to another  
> directory (also owned by master), I get the following:
>
> # cp scans/image.jpg thumbs/image.jpg
> cp: scans/image.jpg: Permission denied
>
> The only solution that occurs to me smells like a newbie kludge: to  
> have a root cron job periodically chown all the images to  
> master:customer. This seems like the proverbial sledgehammer. There  
> must be a better way?
>
> Any thoughts, much appreciated!

Well, I did figure out one way that seems reasonable... since I am  
using pureftpd, I changed the upload mask in the pureftpd  
configuration so new files are created with permissions like:

-rw-r--r--  1 customer  customer   93177 Apr 20 20:12 image.jpg

This seems like a pretty good approach, but if there's a better one,  
I'm all ears!

-- John


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20 =C1=D0=D2=C5=CC=D1 2009 =C7. 21:11 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 =
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> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM, =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA =EC <root1101@gma=
il.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted
> with
> > with help from ccd2iso tool), I used
> >
> > mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./"isoimage.iso" -u 3
> > mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /cdrom
> >
> > and
> >
> > mdconfig -a -f /path/disk.iso md1
> > mount -t cd9660 /dev/md1 /mnt/path
> >
> > variant of the proper way. It doesn't work.
>
> Both work fine here on 7.2-RC1/amd64:
>
> root@pflog:~# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f ./7.2-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso
> md0
> root@pflog:~# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md0 /mnt && ls /mnt && umount /mnt
> boot         boot.catalog cdrom.inf
>
> root@pflog:~# mdconfig -d -u 0
>
> root@pflog:~# mdconfig -a -f ./7.2-RC1-i386-bootonly.iso -u 3
> root@pflog:~# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /mnt && ls /mnt && umount /mnt
> boot         boot.catalog cdrom.inf
>
> How doesn't it work? What error do you get? I would be more suspicious
> of the .iso file being invalid/corrupt.
>
> Regards,
> Josh



Just tried UltraISO through WINE, now everything works allright, ccd2iso
utility is apparently broken

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Tom Worster <fsb@thefsb.org> wrote:

> though all i really need is mysql/apache/php i have about 100 ports
> installed and portmaster -a takes a long time to complete (hour or two).
>
> so i'm wondering if i ought to be concerned about new binaries being
> installed over the old ones on the disk while the old images are loaded and
> running as daemons.
>
> instead of doing portmaster -a, is there any advantage to:
>
> portmaster -a -x mysql\-server -x apache
> portmaster mysql\-server apache
> reboot
>
> in order to minimize the time that the old servers are running while the
> new
> images are on the disk?
>
> tom
>


Matthew has reported that he's had success with ports automatically
restarting themselves, whereas I've not seen that happen.

I had started (abandoned now) a script that would dynamically ask the rc.d
system if a package was running when it was time to install a new package,
meaning that it needs to stop, install, and start the package during the
upgrade process.  Worked well, until I realized that lots of ports don't do
much (if any) work until make install is called, then it will (of all
things) download and install depenencies and itself.  So while all the
dependencies are being downloaded and installed, the original package that
needed to be upgrade has not been running.  On large upgrades for the sake
of anything better to example, Xorg, KDE/Gnome, MySQL/PostgreSQL all were
NOT running during the 'install' phase which should be quick.  Instead due
to the Makefile writing it was delaying the install and restart of the
packages anywhere from minutes to hours (to days..  OpenOffice).



I abandoned the project mostly because I found little things about the ports
system that is invisible to most people, but when dealing with the ports
system details, they were the sore thumb.

Since then I've found portmanager/portmaster/portupgrade have improved so
now it's time to improve their stuff in terms of patches and upgrades.


YMMV, I just didn't see the success Matthew had.


--Tim

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--On Monday, April 20, 2009 14:20:48 -0500 Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> 
wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> This makes no sense at all.  DLLs are a Windows version of a library.
>> FreeBSD
>
> That's what I thought.  Here's the line in question:
> D [20/Apr/2009:13:07:46 -0600] [CGI]
> /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory
>

Googling that shows it to be a file shared with Windows boxes when you're 
running samba.  I don't know if you set up samba or not, but I would ignore 
this error for now.  It's likely unrelated to the printing problem that you're 
having.

>
>> Do you have the startup script:
>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?
>
> yes
>
>> If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?
>
> currently it's:
> cupsd is running as pid 721.
>
> but I did start cups manually since my last reboot.
>

Cupsd was started automatically on reboot by the script.  So that part is 
working fine.

>
> $ ls /usr/local/etc/cups/
> classes.conf            cupsd.conf.default      printers.conf
> classes.conf.O          interfaces              printers.conf.O
> command.types           mime.convs              pstoraster.convs
> cups-pdf.conf           mime.convs.N            snmp.conf
> cups-pdf.conf.sample    mime.types              snmp.conf.N
> cupsd.conf              mime.types.N            ssl
> cupsd.conf.O            ppd
>
>
>> What's the output of this command?
>> # grep -v "#" /usr/local/etc/cups/cupsd.conf
>
> LogLevel debug
> SystemGroup wheel
> Listen localhost:631
> Listen /var/run/cups.sock
> Browsing On
> BrowseOrder allow,deny
> BrowseAllow all
> DefaultAuthType Basic
> <Location />
>   Order allow,deny
> </Location>
> <Location /admin>
>   Encryption Required
>   Order allow,deny
> </Location>
> <Location /admin/conf>
>   AuthType Default
>   Require user @SYSTEM
>   Order allow,deny
> </Location>
> <Policy default>
>   <Limit Send-Document Send-URI Hold-Job Release-Job Restart-Job
>   Purge-Jobs Set-Job-Attributes Create-Job-Subscription
>   Renew-Subscription Cancel-Subscription Get-Notifications
>   Reprocess-Job Cancel-Current-Job Suspend-Current-Job Resume-Job
>   CUPS-Move-Job>
>     Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM
>     Order deny,allow
>   </Limit>
>   <Limit CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer CUPS-Delete-Printer
>   CUPS-Add-Modify-Class CUPS-Delete-Class CUPS-Set-Default>
>     AuthType Default
>     Require user @SYSTEM
>     Order deny,allow
>   </Limit>
>   <Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Enable-Printer Disable-Printer
>   Pause-Printer-After-Current-Job Hold-New-Jobs Release-Held-New-Jobs
>   Deactivate-Printer Activate-Printer Restart-Printer Shutdown-Printer
>   Startup-Printer Promote-Job Schedule-Job-After CUPS-Accept-Jobs
>   CUPS-Reject-Jobs>
>     AuthType Default
>     Require user @SYSTEM
>     Order deny,allow
>   </Limit>
>   <Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job>
>     Require user @OWNER @SYSTEM
>     Order deny,allow
>   </Limit>
>   <Limit All>
>     Order deny,allow
>   </Limit>
> </Policy>
>

All of that looks perfectly normal.

>> What's the output of this command?
>> # cat /usr/local/etc/cups/printer.conf
>
> $ cat /usr/local/etc/cups/printers.conf
># Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.3.9
># Written by cupsd on 2009-04-20 12:51
> <DefaultPrinter HP>
> Info HP Officejet 4100
> Location wherever
> DeviceURI usb:/dev/ulpt0
> State Idle
> StateTime 1240253002
> Accepting Yes
> Shared Yes
> JobSheets none none
> QuotaPeriod 0
> PageLimit 0
> KLimit 0
> OpPolicy default
> ErrorPolicy stop-printer
> </Printer>
> <Printer PDFWriter>
> Info Creates PDF files in /var/spool/cups-pdf/
> Location Internal
> DeviceURI cups-pdf:/
> State Idle
> StateTime 1231089826
> Accepting Yes
> Shared Yes
> JobSheets none none
> QuotaPeriod 0
> PageLimit 0
> KLimit 0
> OpPolicy default
> ErrorPolicy stop-printer
> </Printer>
>
>> Have you read the CUPS documentation?
>> http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/overview.html
>
> Most of that, plus the information in the FreeBSD handbook and FAQ,
> and several sites instructions on setting up CUPS, and several pages
> specifically on getting an OfficeJet 4110 working on Unix in general
> or FreeBSD in particular, with or without CUPS, and a bunch of the
> stuff in the online documentation in CUPS (from the Documentation/Help
> tab; which seems to be the same as the documentation from CUPS.org).
>
> It works well for creating .pdf files, but, from what I've seen so far
> (with only one piece of hardware to try to work with), not very well
> for getting a hardcopy directly.

It appears the problem is the printer.  Try changing the perms to 0777 for 
testing purposes.  If you're able to print, the problem is permissions.  You'll 
have to figure out what permissions you need to get it working.

One person mentioned that you should be using the ugen device instead of 
/dev/ultp0.  This thread might be relevant - 
http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/read.php?9,546,547

You might have to abandon using cupsd for this printer.

If so, this might be helpful:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=last

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On 4/20/09, Keith Seyffarth <weif@weif.net> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.

What version of FreeBSD are you using? There was a problem with certain
USB devices in the 6.x branch with timing out.

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On 4/20/09, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
> Hello list!
>
> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
>
> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
> without asking.

Short answer: Yes, it will blow away your data. It will make any data
which previously lived in the slice inaccessible.  Only do this on an
empty
slice.

Cryptographically speaking: No, the majority of your data still exists as
magnetic signatures on the physical disk. (Though is not directly accessible.)
If your intent was to securely and irrevocably destroy the data on a slice,
the command you showed will not do that.

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Hi,

There has been an article recently published by phoronix=20
(http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dpcbsd_vs_kubuntu&nu=
m=3D1)=20
that compares PC-BSD to Kubuntu.  Kubuntu uses GCC 4.3.3 compared to=20
=46reeBSD's GCC 4.2.2.  There is a considerable performance difference betw=
een=20
the two OS's, the article contributes this difference to the compiler. =20

In order to check if this is so (and to get the speed improvements of GCC=20
4.3+) one needs to compile the ports (and preferable world/kernel as well)=
=20
with GCC 4.3+. =20

Is there an easy way to set this up and does anyone know the compatibility =
of=20
world/kernel/ports with GCC 4.3+?

Also has anyone tried this and benchmarked the result?

Regards,

David

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We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server, managed
by /etc/rc.conf.

The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2" failing
to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.

Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked fine.

I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could possibly
be the issue here?

    Mark

###

# ldd /usr/sbin/named
/usr/sbin/named:
        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)



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Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Monday 20 April 2009 09:12:32 Annelise Anderson wrote:
> 
>>Fbsd1 wrote:
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>>>Annelise Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
>>>>
>>>>fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address
>>>>owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
> 
> 
> The question isn't whether you can resolve it, but whether your mailserver 
> can. Check your mail log for the smtp server. If the mailserver is chrooted, 
> check for $chrootdir/etc/resolv.conf.

I don't know how to read sendmail.st, but the mailserver (sendmail) is 
not chrooted.

In /var/log/messages I get this, but it doesn't seem to relate to 
anything in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf:

Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): 
/etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 1: unknown configuration line "7A
"
Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): 
/etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 2: invalid argument to V line: "E
RSIONID(\001FreeBSD: s"
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/etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 6: fileclass: cannot open 'ATURE(
access_db,': No such file or directory
Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): 
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Hi,

Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
> Hello Sebastian:
> --------
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I ran into the ESXi limit of 4 NICs per VM, so I figured I would work 
> around this using FreeBSD's vlan devices.
> 
> I made 2 test installs with the following interface configuration:
> 
> test1:
> ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ifconfig vlan create
> ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
> em0
> 
> test2:
> ifconfig em0 inet 10.10.10.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
> ifconfig vlan create
> ifconfig vlan0 inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 vlan 22 vlandev
> em0
> 
> I can ping the other machine using the 10.10.10.x IP address no problem,
> 
> but the 192.168.1.x addresses don't work. I've tried setting the vlan id
> 
> on the vSwitch to none and to 22, but in neither of the two cases does 
> it work.
> 
> --------
> [Michael K. Smith - Adhost] 
> 
> You will need to make sure the switchport facing your server is set to
> 802.1Q trunk and has VLAN 22 allowed.  The IP address on em0 itself is
> "untagged" so it will work regardless of the port settings on the
> switch. VLAN 22 has the 4-byte header attached so the other side has to
> recognize the tag.

Your reply inspired me to google 802.1Q and ESXi, and I found a document 
describing different VLAN solutions on ESXi 
(http://www.vmware.com/pdf/esx3_vlan_wp.pdf). In this document it says 
that to make guest tagging work I have to set the VLAN ID of the port 
group on the virtual switch to 4095. After I did this, the above 
configuration works.

> Regards,
> 
> Mike

Regards,
Sebastiaan

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Stosberg <mark@summersault.com> wrote:

>
> We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server,
> managed
> by /etc/rc.conf.
>
> The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2"
> failing
> to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.
>
> Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked fine.
>
> I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
> possibly
> be the issue here?
>
>    Mark
>
> ###
>
> # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> /usr/sbin/named:
>        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
>        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
>        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
>        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
>        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
>        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)
>
>
I see it has the linux libm as a shared library...  shouldn't happen when
it's freebsd's named binary.


libm.sp.4, in /lib/libm.so.4    is for BSD
libm.so.2, in /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2     is for Linux (and might I
add a possibly older version).

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:11:13 -0700, Annelise Anderson <impala87@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Mel Flynn wrote:
>> On Monday 20 April 2009 09:12:32 Annelise Anderson wrote:
>>
>>>Fbsd1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Annelise Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
>>>>>
>>>>>fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address
>>>>>owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
>>
>>
>> The question isn't whether you can resolve it, but whether your
>> mailserver can. Check your mail log for the smtp server. If the
>> mailserver is chrooted, check for $chrootdir/etc/resolv.conf.
>
> I don't know how to read sendmail.st, but the mailserver (sendmail) is
> not chrooted.
>
> In /var/log/messages I get this, but it doesn't seem to relate to
> anything in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf:
>
> Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
> /etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 1: unknown configuration line "7A
> "
> Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
> /etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 2: invalid argument to V line: "E
> RSIONID(\001FreeBSD: s"

Hmmm, it looks like your `sendmail.cf' has been overwritten by an
unexpanded copy of `sendmail.mc'.  What do you see with:

    % diff -u /etc/mail/freebsd.mc /etc/mail/sendmail.cf

If this shows only a few lines of local changes, then you should keep a
backup copy of the current `/etc/mail/sendmail.cf' file and then try to
macro-expand it with the `/etc/mail/Makefile' machinery to generate a
real `sendmail.cf' file...


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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:54 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
> Hello list!
>
> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
>
> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
> without asking.

No, but if you plan to use geli to encrypt data that will end up on the
slice it may be a useful thing to:

  a) keep a backup copy of the data in its unencrypted form

  b) overwrite the entire partition with random bytes (increased entropy
     means that it is harder to 'attack' the final encrypted data stream
     when geli starts writing over parts of the encrypted slice)

  c) attach the randomized partition with geli

  d) newfs the xxx.eli device


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just wanted to ask if anyone has the mail/isoqlog program working on an 
amd64 box.

We have it working on i386 FreeBSD 7.x but it sig11's on amd64.

looking to have it filter exim logs fwiw.

I have sent emails to enderunix and not heard back..

and if it does not work, has anyone actually made awstats work with exim?

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> Googling that shows it to be a file shared with Windows boxes when you're 
> running samba.  I don't know if you set up samba or not, but I would ignore 
> this error for now.  It's likely unrelated to the printing problem that you're 
> having.

OK. Thanks. I guess. I was kind of hoping that figuring that out might
be the fix...

> >> Do you have the startup script:
> >> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?
> >
> > yes
> >
> >> If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?
> >
> > currently it's:
> > cupsd is running as pid 721.
> >
> > but I did start cups manually since my last reboot.
> >
> 
> Cupsd was started automatically on reboot by the script.  So that part is 
> working fine.

after rebooting the machine, it's:
cupsd is not running.

<config info snipped>

> It appears the problem is the printer.  Try changing the perms to 0777 for 
> testing purposes.  If you're able to print, the problem is permissions.  You'll 
> have to figure out what permissions you need to get it working.

That doesn't help. I get the same behavior with the permissions set to
0777.

> One person mentioned that you should be using the ugen device instead of 
> /dev/ultp0.  This thread might be relevant - 
> http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/read.php?9,546,547
> 
> You might have to abandon using cupsd for this printer.

Yeah. We may not be using this printer long anyway, since it is nearly
out of ink, and the ink will be $95. It would just be nice to be able
to demonstrate that printing is an option.

Also, from what I've been seeing in my testing and so on since
Thursday, it looks like if you use CUPS at all, you can't use anything
else, since CUPS overwrites things like /etc/printcap with its own
settings frequently. And since I've been successfully using cups-pdf
for several months, I'd need a replacement for that. At least with
that, despite all the shortcomings of .pdf format, we can still get
stuff printed. Just not in our office.

> If so, this might be helpful:
> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=last

I had read through that several times. It is one of several places
pointing out that the device has to be at ultp*, and if it's at ugen*
you likely have a problem...


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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:11:13 -0700, Annelise Anderson <impala87@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>>Mel Flynn wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday 20 April 2009 09:12:32 Annelise Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fbsd1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Annelise Anderson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am trying to use fetchmail on FreeBSD but get the message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>fetchmail: SMTP< 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address
>>>>>>owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not resolve
>>>
>>>
>>>The question isn't whether you can resolve it, but whether your
>>>mailserver can. Check your mail log for the smtp server. If the
>>>mailserver is chrooted, check for $chrootdir/etc/resolv.conf.
>>
>>I don't know how to read sendmail.st, but the mailserver (sendmail) is
>>not chrooted.
>>
>>In /var/log/messages I get this, but it doesn't seem to relate to
>>anything in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf:
>>
>>Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
>>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 1: unknown configuration line "7A
>>"
>>Apr 18 02:56:07 andrsn sm-mta[24419]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root):
>>/etc/mail/sendmail.cf: line 2: invalid argument to V line: "E
>>RSIONID(\001FreeBSD: s"
> 
> 
> Hmmm, it looks like your `sendmail.cf' has been overwritten by an
> unexpanded copy of `sendmail.mc'.  What do you see with:
> 
>     % diff -u /etc/mail/freebsd.mc /etc/mail/sendmail.cf
> 
> If this shows only a few lines of local changes, then you should keep a
> backup copy of the current `/etc/mail/sendmail.cf' file and then try to
> macro-expand it with the `/etc/mail/Makefile' machinery to generate a
> real `sendmail.cf' file...

Thanks--to all who helped--I think I've got it working now.

	Annelise

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>> /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or directory
>>
> 
> Googling that shows it to be a file shared with Windows boxes when 
> you're running samba.  I don't know if you set up samba or not, but I 
> would ignore this error for now.  It's likely unrelated to the printing 
> problem that you're having.

Windows client computers can download printer drivers from their print 
servers.  I imagine the above DLL is meant to enable that.

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On 4/20/09 3:06 PM, "Matthew Seaman" <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>
wrote:

> Many ports will shut down a running instance of themselves when upgraded
> like this specifically to avoid the sort of complications that can occur
> when the running image does not match what is on disk.
> 
> mysql does, apache doesn't.
> 
> So upgrade mysql-server last thing before you reboot.

so i'll try

portmaster -a -x mysql-server
portmaster mysql-server
reboot

which might work ok as mysql-server is a leaf node in my config


> Although I know you're
> not using portupgrade, this snippet from pkgtools.conf has been a blessing in
> minimizing outage lengths during updates on live servers:
> 
>   AFTERINSTALL = {
>     '*' => proc { |origin|
>        cmd_start_rc(origin)
>     },
>   }
> 
> Of couse, the best course of action is to plan sufficient downtime that you
> can do the upgrades comfortably plus recover from any number of ways things
> might go wrong, but sometimes that simply isn't possible.

it's finding the optimum between minimizing downtime and having enough that
i'm trying to think through.

thanks for your remarks.



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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:17:40 -0600
Modulok <modulok@gmail.com> wrote:


> Cryptographically speaking: No, the majority of your data still
> exists as magnetic signatures on the physical disk. (Though is not
> directly accessible.)

This is a bit misleading, the data in the unwritten disk sectors is
still accessible through the device, so it would still be possible to
image the disk and perform  offline reconstruction of the data. You
wouldn't need to rely on magnetic hysteresis.


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Keith Seyffarth wrote:
>> Googling that shows it to be a file shared with Windows boxes when you're 
>> running samba.  I don't know if you set up samba or not, but I would ignore 
>> this error for now.  It's likely unrelated to the printing problem that you're 
>> having.
>>     
>
> OK. Thanks. I guess. I was kind of hoping that figuring that out might
> be the fix...
>
>   
>>>> Do you have the startup script:
>>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?
>>>>         
>>> yes
>>>
>>>       
>>>> If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?
>>>>         
>>> currently it's:
>>> cupsd is running as pid 721.
>>>
>>> but I did start cups manually since my last reboot.
>>>
>>>       
>> Cupsd was started automatically on reboot by the script.  So that part is 
>> working fine.
>>     
>
> after rebooting the machine, it's:
> cupsd is not running.
>
> <config info snipped>
>
>   
This seems to me to be area to focus on.  Have you tried starting if 
from cli and seeing if any errors show.  Also check logs etc recompile 
cups w/ debugging info if applicable.  I suspect it's not so you may 
have to increase the verbosity in a config file somewhere.  It's been 
awhile since I printed from FreeBSD, but my last experience was positive 
and not nearly as much issue as you're having.  Anyways I suspect 
following cupsd not starting to it's end will result in either solving 
the issue or at least getting to a point where it's easy to resolve.  
You can also try to trace back /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd to see where 
it's failing.

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Stosberg <mark@summersault.com> wrote:

>
> We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server,
> managed
> by /etc/rc.conf.
>
> The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2"
> failing
> to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.
>
> Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked fine.
>
> I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
> possibly
> be the issue here?
>
>    Mark
>
> ###
>
> # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> /usr/sbin/named:
>        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
>        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
>        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
>        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
>        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
>        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)
>


I also see to LOCAL libraries in it.  named is part of base, unless you
compiled and installed the port version and maybe told it to overwrite the
base.

None of this adds up.

%ldd /usr/sbin/named
/usr/sbin/named:
        libcrypto.so.5 => /lib/libcrypto.so.5 (0x281fe000)
        libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x28357000)
        libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2836a000)


There's a named on 7.1p4

I find yours really confusing.

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Greetings,

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Daniels Vanags
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>
>
>   Unable to successfully dump | restore over ssh. Source machine
> FreeBSD 6.2, disk /dev/mirror/gm0s1a,
>
>  target machine FreeBSD 6.2, target disk /dev/ad1s1a mounted on /mnt.
>
>  Run dump -0aLf - / | ssh ip_address ''cd /mnt/ && cat | restore - rf
> -'',  dump/restore goes without any errors.
>
>  Fstab fixed, but system failure to boot: BTX halted.
>
>  Please help.
>
>


I read up on what the BTX is.  BooT eXtender -- url here
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/boot-boot2.html


Long story short, BTX is what brings the PC BIOS/CMOS code execution from
16-bit real mode, to 32-bit protected mode.

I've had repeated problems with name-brand PCs that result in a BTX halted.
Whiteboxes/custom builds tend to work the best (and IMHO, last the longest).



So asking the OP to flag slices or bsdlabels as bootable probably won't
help, but I've been wrong before.  :D

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:32:58PM +0400, 遄桥紊� � wrote:
>Hello everyone, I am trying to mount an ISO image (which was converted with
>with help from ccd2iso tool), I used
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>mount -t cd9660 /dev/md3 /cdrom
>
>and
>
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Tim Judd wrote:

[snip] 
> Long story short, BTX is what brings the PC BIOS/CMOS code execution from
> 16-bit real mode, to 32-bit protected mode.
> 
> I've had repeated problems with name-brand PCs that result in a BTX
> halted. Whiteboxes/custom builds tend to work the best (and IMHO, last the
> longest).
[snip]

Often the so called "name-brand" PCs have quirky and inferior BIOS, as well 
as minor hardware glitches that sometimes get ironed out with subsequent 
chipset steppings.

Since these are primarily manufactured and sold for the Windows crowd, 
Windows will mask many of these deficiencies. Have problem xyz-1001 with 
$mfr model blah and many times the answer is "download $mfr driver revision 
so and so". This is where a known small hardware defect can be worked around 
in driver code to mask and hide the problem. This is Windows centric and if 
you're not using Windows then you're not supported.

-Mike
  



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> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a

yes. i do

cat file >/dev/lpt0

:)


never used cups and never will. but i use lpd and postscript to pcl filter

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On Monday 20 April 2009 23:48:47 Tim Judd wrote:

> > I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
> > possibly
> > be the issue here?
> >
> >    Mark
> >
> > ###
> >
> > # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> > /usr/sbin/named:
> >        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
> >        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
> >        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
> >        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
> >        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
> >        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)

As far as I know, named never supported or needed xml. I would check if this 
really is named and for rootkits while you're at it. Either that, or you have 
LDFLAGS set in your /etc/make.conf that make everything link with these 
libraries.
Backup data and configs and reinstall from CD if you can't find a sane answer 
for this.

> libm.so.2, in /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2     is for Linux (and might I
> add a possibly older version).

No, it's from compat4x. Linux would be in /compat/linux/lib.
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Hi David,

On Monday 20 April 2009 21:48:39 David Naylor wrote:

> There has been an article recently published by phoronix
> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pcbsd_vs_kubuntu&num=1)
> that compares PC-BSD to Kubuntu.  Kubuntu uses GCC 4.3.3 compared to
> FreeBSD's GCC 4.2.2.  There is a considerable performance difference
> between the two OS's, the article contributes this difference to the
> compiler.

Nice shot in the dark, since except the calculations a lot of these are 
influenced by "journaled FS vs stock UFS".

> In order to check if this is so (and to get the speed improvements of GCC
> 4.3+) one needs to compile the ports (and preferable world/kernel as well)
> with GCC 4.3+.

It's license is incompatible with world/kernel. That said, install lang/gcc43 
and set CC/CXX for ports. World/kernel would be a lot harder. Maybe setting 
WITHOUT_GCC in /etc/src.conf and setting CC/CXX would work, but there's quite 
a few modifications to gcc that aren't in ports lang/gcc, so I have my doubts.

> Is there an easy way to set this up and does anyone know the compatibility
> of world/kernel/ports with GCC 4.3+?
>
> Also has anyone tried this and benchmarked the result?

Not me, but be sure to stick around for the new non-gcc compiler coming to a 
FreeBSD near you. And with the work done by Marcel Molenaar on gpart, 
hopefully we can have ZFS and gjournal as choices in the installer.
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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 01:38:26 Tom Worster wrote:

> portmaster -a -x mysql-server
> portmaster mysql-server
> reboot

No no no. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server start. Reboot is for kernel 
upgrades. And never use reboot unless in single user mode, cause reboot is 
really fast reboot: it doesn't stop services nicely. Use shutdown -r now.
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On 20/4/09 23:36, Keith Seyffarth wrote:
>> Googling that shows it to be a file shared with Windows boxes when you're 
>> running samba.  I don't know if you set up samba or not, but I would ignore 
>> this error for now.  It's likely unrelated to the printing problem that you're 
>> having.
>>     
>
> OK. Thanks. I guess. I was kind of hoping that figuring that out might
> be the fix...
>
>   
>>>> Do you have the startup script:
>>>> /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd ?
>>>>         
>>> yes
>>>
>>>       
>>>> If so, what is the output of /usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd status?
>>>>         
>>> currently it's:
>>> cupsd is running as pid 721.
>>>
>>> but I did start cups manually since my last reboot.
>>>
>>>       
>> Cupsd was started automatically on reboot by the script.  So that part is 
>> working fine.
>>     
>
> after rebooting the machine, it's:
> cupsd is not running.
>
> <config info snipped>
>
>   
>> It appears the problem is the printer.  Try changing the perms to 0777 for 
>> testing purposes.  If you're able to print, the problem is permissions.  You'll 
>> have to figure out what permissions you need to get it working.
>>     
>
> That doesn't help. I get the same behavior with the permissions set to
> 0777.
>
>   
>> One person mentioned that you should be using the ugen device instead of 
>> /dev/ultp0.  This thread might be relevant - 
>> http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/read.php?9,546,547
>>
>> You might have to abandon using cupsd for this printer.
>>     
>
> Yeah. We may not be using this printer long anyway, since it is nearly
> out of ink, and the ink will be $95. It would just be nice to be able
> to demonstrate that printing is an option.
>
> Also, from what I've been seeing in my testing and so on since
> Thursday, it looks like if you use CUPS at all, you can't use anything
> else, since CUPS overwrites things like /etc/printcap with its own
> settings frequently. And since I've been successfully using cups-pdf
> for several months, I'd need a replacement for that. At least with
> that, despite all the shortcomings of .pdf format, we can still get
> stuff printed. Just not in our office.
>
>   
>> If so, this might be helpful:
>> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/07/08/FreeBSD_Basics.html?page=last
>>     
>
> I had read through that several times. It is one of several places
> pointing out that the device has to be at ultp*, and if it's at ugen*
> you likely have a problem...
>
>   
However the pkg-message for hplip says differently. I had to recompile
without ulpt in the kernel to get my hp c3180 psc to work, but it prints
(and scans) fine from freebsd now.
read the output from pkg_info -xD hplip  It has got full instructions on
what needs doing.  Recompiling the kernel isnt actually all that hard,
and is detailed fully in the handbook.
Actually to any devs who might be reading, is there any reason we have
ulpt built in rather than as a module?

Vince

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Hi,

Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to believe it's 
possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't mean the skew 
operation, but really change the time. Backwards is my primary concern but if 
it can be turned off completely it's fine with me.

Reason being dovecot bailing out when this happens:
Apr  1 16:18:26 squish ntpd[1353]: time reset -6.711955 s

Apr  1 16:18:26 mx1 dovecot: Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 6 seconds. 
This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now. 
http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards

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> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a

yes. i do

cat file >/dev/lpt0

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never used cups and never will. but i use lpd and postscript to pcl filter

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> Testing a mini-ITX Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard with Atom 330 processor.
>
Hi, [sorry to re-open this one month old thread]

I have also this D945GCLF2. All is running nearly fine, but on heavy load
and after the system is powered up for a couple of days, it panics.

The system is running 7.1-RC1 (7th dec 2008) as a Generic kernel, and a
gmirrored WDC+seagate backup drive. The bios is still in 99 release.

Since I have read some is using also this board as an home server, does
someone else is also having this issue (panic under heavy load when up 
for a few days) ?


T.I.A.      PM.

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Mel Flynn wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to belie=
ve it's=20
> possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't mean t=
he skew=20
> operation, but really change the time. Backwards is my primary concern =
but if=20
> it can be turned off completely it's fine with me.
>=20
> Reason being dovecot bailing out when this happens:
> Apr  1 16:18:26 squish ntpd[1353]: time reset -6.711955 s
>=20
> Apr  1 16:18:26 mx1 dovecot: Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 6 seco=
nds.=20
> This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now.=20
> http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
>=20

This seems to be a bete-noir for the dovecot developer.  Whatever, it is
a royal pain in the arse, as my mailserver always steps the time
backwards on each reboot, and then dovecot does it's dying swan thing.

Three choices:

  * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the modern and
    accepted method.  Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate process and
    run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag.

  * Don't run dovecot.  Other IMAP servers do not suffer in the same
    way.

  * Put up with it.  Avoid reboots, and swear at all concerned any time
    you really do have to reboot.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

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Hello again.
Can anybody help? Or no one?

2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov <mr.tapac@gmail.com>

> With GENERIC I have same problem.
> My network card is Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet.. (14e4:1684
> subsystem 1025:014b).
> I think, it's BCM5764.
>
> 2009/4/9, Chris Rees <utisoft@googlemail.com>:
> > 2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov <mr.tapac@gmail.com>:
> >> Hi, All!
> >>
> >> After installing FreeBSD 7.1 I've got problem with my network card.
> >>
> >> [root ~]# uname -a
> >> FreeBSD  7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #1: Thu Apr  9 13:34:46 NOVST
> >> 2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP  i386
> >> [root ~]# pciconf -lv
> >> ... cut ...
> >> none3@pci0:6:0:0:        class=0x020000 card=0x014b1025
> >> chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
> >>    vendor     = 'Broadcom Corporation'
> >>    class      = newtwork
> >>    subclass   = ethernet
> >> [root ~]# dmesg | grep "bge"
> >> [root ~]# ifconfig -a
> >> lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 16384
> >>         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> >>
> >> I've compiled my kernel with "device miibus" and "device bge" (my
> >> kernel config is GENERIC without FireWare & RAIDs).
> >>
> >> What does it mean? Is somethere driver for this card?
> >>
> >> Sorry for my terrible English =)
> >>
> >> Alexander V Tarasov
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> > Are you sure you didn't comment out any miibus lines or anything like
> > that? Try with the GENERIC kernel, and kldload bge to see what
> > happens.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --
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hi,

I have the same problem on some fileservers I do the administration for.
But in my case the users send the files via SSH to the server.

A solution for this, based on some OS mechanism would be really
great :-)

Anyone ever had to solve that problem?

Regards,
---
Mr. Olli


On Mo, 2009-04-20 at 15:21 -0400, John Almberg wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 2:48 PM, John Almberg wrote:
> 
> > I have a directory called 'scans' that is owned by 'master', but I  
> > want to allow 'customer' to FTP images to that directory. This is  
> > the way I have permissions set:
> >
> > # ls -l
> > drwxrwxr-x  5 master  customer     251904 Apr 20 10:29 scans
> >
> > The problem is that when customer ftp's a file to the directory,  
> > the permissions end up like this:
> >
> > -rw-r-----  1 customer customer  772584 Apr 20 15:28 image.jpg
> >
> > When a process run by 'master' tries to copy this file to another  
> > directory (also owned by master), I get the following:
> >
> > # cp scans/image.jpg thumbs/image.jpg
> > cp: scans/image.jpg: Permission denied
> >
> > The only solution that occurs to me smells like a newbie kludge: to  
> > have a root cron job periodically chown all the images to  
> > master:customer. This seems like the proverbial sledgehammer. There  
> > must be a better way?
> >
> > Any thoughts, much appreciated!
> 
> Well, I did figure out one way that seems reasonable... since I am  
> using pureftpd, I changed the upload mask in the pureftpd  
> configuration so new files are created with permissions like:
> 
> -rw-r--r--  1 customer  customer   93177 Apr 20 20:12 image.jpg
> 
> This seems like a pretty good approach, but if there's a better one,  
> I'm all ears!
> 
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Thanks, Mel.
I found the reason is that sendmail failed to start because I replaced /usr/lib/libssl.so.5 with /usr/local/lib/libssl.so.5. After I rebuild the world, it got OK.

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 02:20:17PM +0200, Mel Flynn wrote:
>On Monday 20 April 2009 12:20:15 张臻 wrote:
>> Today when I used fetchmail to get my mails, it suddenly said that if
>> failed to connect to localhost:25 and failed to send the mail to myself,
>> does anyone know why?
>> The information that fetch out put
>> reading message xxxx@xxx.xx:1 of 3 (2223 octets)
>> Trying to connect to 127.0.0.1/25...connection failed.
>> fetchmail: connection to localhost:smtp [127.0.0.1/25] failed: Connection
>
>sendmail/postfix/whatever_mta not running.
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At 08:16 PM 4/19/2009, lyd mc wrote:

>Hi derek,
>
>Correction on step 4, it should be:
>
>\alydio.mc, "|/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc"
>
>thanks,
>
>alyd
>
>
>--- On Mon, 4/20/09, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
>To: "Derek Ragona" <derek@computinginnovations.com>
>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:07 AM
>
>hi derek,
>
>It is not also working on my sendmail.
>
>May be I overlooked some steps?
>
>step 1. login to user
># su alydio.mc
>
>step 2. initialize vacation db
>$ vacation -i
>
>step 3. create .vacation.msg
>
>  From: alydio.mc@mydomain.com
>  Subject: I am on vacation
>  Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: The Vacation program
>  Precedence: bulk
>
>  I am on vacation until.......
>
>step 4. create .forward
>
>\klyren, "|/usr/bin/vacation klyren"
>
>
>sendmail log
>
>Apr 20 08:21:08 MAIL sm-mta[18102]: n3K0L2Jl018092: to="|/usr/bin/vacation 
>alydio.mc", ctladdr=<alydio.mc@mydomain> (1001/0), delay=00:00:05, 
>xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=62458, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
>...nothing follows...
>
>thanks
>alydiomc

In the log entry above, I see:
ctladdr=<alydio.mc@mydomain>
I suspect this is NOT a deliverable address but that depends on how you 
have mydomain resolving.

Also you might want to try using a user account without a period in the 
name.  The period may be causing a silent parsing problem for sendmail and 
vacation.

         -Derek



>--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Derek Ragona
>  <derek@computinginnovations.com> wrote:
>From: Derek Ragona <derek@computinginnovations.com>
>Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
>To: alydiomc@yahoo.com, "Odhiambo Washington" <odhiambo@gmail.com>
>Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:51 PM
>
>
>
>At 07:27 AM 4/17/2009, lyd mc wrote:
>
>Thanks Odhiambo for your
>time.
>
>
>Actually i have a working vacation program  from freebsd ports
>(/usr/ports/mail/vacation).
>
>
>I only wondering why the freebsd base vacation behave differently....
>
>
>
>I still want freebsd base vacation... the one from ports is obsolete (as
>per its maintainer website) and sometime i need to edit its makefile for
>it to compile....
>
>
>Thanks again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I think the base system vacation is the one that is part of
>sendmail.  So using it with postfix as the MTA may be the
>issue.  I have use the base vacation version flawlessly with
>sendmail.
>
>
>           -Derek
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- On Fri, 4/17/09,
>Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>
>
>Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply
>
>To: alydiomc@yahoo.com
>
>Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>,
>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
>Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>hi,
>
>
>I don't know how to run it in debug mode....
>
>
>I already try this one.....
>
>
>#/usr/bin/vacation -d alydio.mc
>
>
>but nothing happened... no logs in /var/log/message and /var/log/maillog
>pertaining to vacation.
>
>
>
>
>Okay. I think you need to look again at your MTA logs. Not being an
>expert with Postfix, I am not sure I can help with it anyway.
>
>
>
>
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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:39:32 Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Mel Flynn wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to believe
> > it's possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't
> > mean the skew operation, but really change the time. Backwards is my
> > primary concern but if it can be turned off completely it's fine with me.
> >
> > Reason being dovecot bailing out when this happens:
> > Apr  1 16:18:26 squish ntpd[1353]: time reset -6.711955 s
> >
> > Apr  1 16:18:26 mx1 dovecot: Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 6
> > seconds. This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself
> > now. http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
>
> This seems to be a bete-noir for the dovecot developer.  Whatever, it is
> a royal pain in the arse, as my mailserver always steps the time
> backwards on each reboot, and then dovecot does it's dying swan thing.
>
> Three choices:
>
>   * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the modern and
>     accepted method.  Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate process and
>     run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag.

Hmm, isc sure knows how to abstract something as simple as command line 
options into several levels. From the source, -q activates mode_ntpdate which 
is one path for time reset. Since not using that, it's not that path.

The other codepath, has 4 possibles, 2 of which relating to step-in and step-
out, which I could increase to values that are less likely to cause a step. 
Would be worthwhile if there aren't 2 other possibilities which most likely 
cause the "step back after reboot" syndrome:
                 * In S_NSET state an initial frequency correction is
                 * not available, usually because the frequency file has
                 * not yet been written. Since the time is outside the
                 * step threshold, the clock is stepped. The frequency
                 * will be set directly following the stepout interval.
                 *
                 * In S_FSET state the initial frequency has been set
                 * from the frequency file. Since the time is outside
                 * the step threshold, the clock is stepped immediately,
                 * rather than after the stepout interval. Guys get
                 * nervous if it takes 17 minutes to set the clock for
                 * the first time.


>   * Don't run dovecot.  Other IMAP servers do not suffer in the same
>     way.

Since this is the only "issue" I have with dovecot, I don't think so. ;)

>   * Put up with it.  Avoid reboots, and swear at all concerned any time
>     you really do have to reboot.

	* Patch ntpd (most likely option now)
	* Do something smart with init, restarting dovecot when this happens.

To be continued (on TODO somewhere on the bottom :/). Thanks for the input 
Matt.
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> > We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server,
> > managed
> > by /etc/rc.conf.
> >
> > The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2"
> > failing
> > to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.
> >
> > Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked fine.
> >
> > I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
> > possibly
> > be the issue here?
> >
> >    Mark
> >
> > ###
> >
> > # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> > /usr/sbin/named:
> >        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
> >        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
> >        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
> >        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
> >        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
> >        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)
> 
> I also see to LOCAL libraries in it.  named is part of base, unless you
> compiled and installed the port version and maybe told it to overwrite the
> base.
> 
> None of this adds up.
> 
> %ldd /usr/sbin/named
> /usr/sbin/named:
>         libcrypto.so.5 => /lib/libcrypto.so.5 (0x281fe000)
>         libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x28357000)
>         libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2836a000)
> 
> There's a named on 7.1p4

Thanks for the response. I've now compared this named 'ldd' outfit to another
6.1 install we have that also runs named. It has the exact same file size and version,
but slightly different ldd output:

-- from the second machine with FreeBSD 6.1
# ldd /usr/sbin/named
/usr/sbin/named:
        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
        libz.so.3 => /lib/libz.so.3 (0x283ff000)
        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x2840f000)
        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284fc000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x28512000)

####

XML is still there, but the mention of libm.so no longer points into /usr/local/lib/compat
This other FreeBSD user also found the libxml link:
https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2008-November/073929.html

I also checked "/etc/make.conf" on both machines. They mentioned X11_BASE and
Perl... nothing about XML. However, these machines have evolved some over time. Perhaps something
with there in the past.

It sounds like advisable paths forward include re-compiling or re-installing named.

    Mark




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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:41:24 +0700 Alexander Tarasov wrote:

> Hello again.
> Can anybody help? Or no one?

Please, don't top-post, do what you were recommended and
show the results.

> 2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov <mr.tapac@gmail.com>

> > With GENERIC I have same problem.
> > My network card is Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet.. (14e4:1684
> > subsystem 1025:014b).
> > I think, it's BCM5764.
> >
> > 2009/4/9, Chris Rees <utisoft@googlemail.com>:
> > > 2009/4/9 Alexander Tarasov <mr.tapac@gmail.com>:
> > >> Hi, All!
> > >>
> > >> After installing FreeBSD 7.1 I've got problem with my network card.
> > >>
> > >> [root ~]# uname -a
> > >> FreeBSD  7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #1: Thu Apr  9 13:34:46 NOVST
> > >> 2009 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP  i386
> > >> [root ~]# pciconf -lv
> > >> ... cut ...
> > >> none3@pci0:6:0:0:        class=0x020000 card=0x014b1025
> > >> chip=0x168414e4 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00
> > >>    vendor     = 'Broadcom Corporation'
> > >>    class      = newtwork
> > >>    subclass   = ethernet
> > >> [root ~]# dmesg | grep "bge"
> > >> [root ~]# ifconfig -a
> > >> lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 16384
> > >>         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> > >>
> > >> I've compiled my kernel with "device miibus" and "device bge" (my
> > >> kernel config is GENERIC without FireWare & RAIDs).
> > >>
> > >> What does it mean? Is somethere driver for this card?
> > >>
> > >> Sorry for my terrible English =)
> > >>
> > >> Alexander V Tarasov
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > Are you sure you didn't comment out any miibus lines or anything like
> > > that? Try with the GENERIC kernel, and kldload bge to see what
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> > > A: Top-posting.
> > > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
> > >
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Mark Stosberg wrote:
>>> We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server,
>>> managed
>>> by /etc/rc.conf.
>>>
>>> The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2"
>>> failing
>>> to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.
>>>
>>> Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked fine.
>>>
>>> I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
>>> possibly
>>> be the issue here?
>>>
>>>    Mark
>>>
>>> ###
>>>
>>> # ldd /usr/sbin/named
>>> /usr/sbin/named:
>>>        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
>>>        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
>>>        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
>>>        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
>>>        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
>>>        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)
>>>       
>> I also see to LOCAL libraries in it.  named is part of base, unless you
>> compiled and installed the port version and maybe told it to overwrite the
>> base.
>>
>> None of this adds up.
>>
>> %ldd /usr/sbin/named
>> /usr/sbin/named:
>>         libcrypto.so.5 => /lib/libcrypto.so.5 (0x281fe000)
>>         libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x28357000)
>>         libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2836a000)
>>
>> There's a named on 7.1p4
>>     
>
> Thanks for the response. I've now compared this named 'ldd' outfit to another
> 6.1 install we have that also runs named. It has the exact same file size and version,
> but slightly different ldd output:
>
> -- from the second machine with FreeBSD 6.1
> # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> /usr/sbin/named:
>         libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
>         libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
>         libz.so.3 => /lib/libz.so.3 (0x283ff000)
>         libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x2840f000)
>         libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284fc000)
>         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x28512000)
>
> ####
>
> XML is still there, but the mention of libm.so no longer points into /usr/local/lib/compat
> This other FreeBSD user also found the libxml link:
> https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2008-November/073929.html
>
> I also checked "/etc/make.conf" on both machines. They mentioned X11_BASE and
> Perl... nothing about XML. However, these machines have evolved some over time. Perhaps something
> with there in the past.
>
> It sounds like advisable paths forward include re-compiling or re-installing named.
>
>     Mark
>
>   

As it is already pointed out, you probably have a bind version installed
from ports.

Try:

pkg_info -Ix bind

and check if it produces anything. On a 6.4 box, the base system bind shows:
ldd /usr/sbin/named
/usr/sbin/named:
    libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x80077c000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x8009c3000)

However, the port dns/bind96 for example:

# pwd
/usr/ports/dns/bind96
# make run-depends-list
/usr/ports/textproc/libxml2

which looks suspiciously similar to your dependency there.


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Giorgos Keramidas said the following on 2009-04-20 23:59:
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:54 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
>> Hello list!
>>
>> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
>>
>> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
>> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
>> without asking.
> 
> No, 

No, what? does it erase the data or not.

> but if you plan to use geli to encrypt data that will end up on the
> slice it may be a useful thing to:
> 
>   a) keep a backup copy of the data in its unencrypted form

Bad idea.

>   b) overwrite the entire partition with random bytes (increased entropy
>      means that it is harder to 'attack' the final encrypted data stream
>      when geli starts writing over parts of the encrypted slice)

But I want to keep the info on the slice.

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 14:21:12 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> Mark Stosberg wrote:
> >>> We had problem with "named" starting on boot on a FreeBSD 6.1 server,
> >>> managed
> >>> by /etc/rc.conf.
> >>>
> >>> The startup script failed with errors about shared library "libm.so.2"
> >>> failing
> >>> to load because of something related to libxml2.so.5.
> >>>
> >>> Later, when I then tried starting it via /etc/rc.d/named it worked
> >>> fine.
> >>>
> >>> I include the following "ldd" output in case it's helpful. What could
> >>> possibly
> >>> be the issue here?
> >>>
> >>>    Mark
> >>>
> >>> ###
> >>>
> >>> # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> >>> /usr/sbin/named:
> >>>        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
> >>>        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
> >>>        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
> >>>        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
> >>>        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
> >>>        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)
> >>
> >> I also see to LOCAL libraries in it.  named is part of base, unless you
> >> compiled and installed the port version and maybe told it to overwrite
> >> the base.
> >>
> >> None of this adds up.
> >>
> >> %ldd /usr/sbin/named
> >> /usr/sbin/named:
> >>         libcrypto.so.5 => /lib/libcrypto.so.5 (0x281fe000)
> >>         libthr.so.3 => /lib/libthr.so.3 (0x28357000)
> >>         libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x2836a000)
> >>
> >> There's a named on 7.1p4
> >
> > Thanks for the response. I've now compared this named 'ldd' outfit to
> > another 6.1 install we have that also runs named. It has the exact same
> > file size and version, but slightly different ldd output:
> >
> > -- from the second machine with FreeBSD 6.1
> > # ldd /usr/sbin/named
> > /usr/sbin/named:
> >         libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
> >         libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
> >         libz.so.3 => /lib/libz.so.3 (0x283ff000)
> >         libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x2840f000)
> >         libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284fc000)
> >         libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x28512000)
> >
> > ####
> >
> > XML is still there, but the mention of libm.so no longer points into
> > /usr/local/lib/compat This other FreeBSD user also found the libxml link:
> > https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2008-November/073929.html
> >
> > I also checked "/etc/make.conf" on both machines. They mentioned X11_BASE
> > and Perl... nothing about XML. However, these machines have evolved some
> > over time. Perhaps something with there in the past.
> >
> > It sounds like advisable paths forward include re-compiling or
> > re-installing named.
> >
> >     Mark
>
> As it is already pointed out, you probably have a bind version installed
> from ports.
>
> Try:
>
> pkg_info -Ix bind
>
> and check if it produces anything. On a 6.4 box, the base system bind
> shows: ldd /usr/sbin/named
> /usr/sbin/named:
>     libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x80077c000)
>     libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x8009c3000)
>
> However, the port dns/bind96 for example:
>
> # pwd
> /usr/ports/dns/bind96
> # make run-depends-list
> /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2
>
> which looks suspiciously similar to your dependency there.

Agreed. Bind 9.5 and higher from ports has "XML statistics" support. That 
explains the xml and iconv. ldd -a /usr/sbin/named should show you which one 
wants libm.so.2 which is from the 4.x days.
If you don't need these statistics, I would suggest turning them off through 
make config.
-- 
Mel

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:17:40 Mister Olli wrote:
> hi,
>
> I have the same problem on some fileservers I do the administration for.
> But in my case the users send the files via SSH to the server.
>
> A solution for this, based on some OS mechanism would be really
> great :-)

umask(1).
-- 
Mel

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In response to Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net>:

> Giorgos Keramidas said the following on 2009-04-20 23:59:
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> >>
> >> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
> >>
> >> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> >> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
> >> without asking.
> > 
> > No, 
> 
> No, what? does it erase the data or not.

It depends on exactly what part of the process you're talking about,
and it depends on exactly what you mean by "erase".

Geli doesn't explicitly destroy your data at any point in the process.
However, most HOWTOs I've ready will tell you at some step or another
to overwrite the partition using dd and /dev/zero, which _does_
destroy the data.

Also, even if you skip the dd step, geli will alter the partition in
such a way that typical tools will not see the data.  However, if you
know your stuff, you can bypass normal tools and still read (part of?)
the data.

So, if your question is "I want to securely destroy the data on a 
partition, can geli do that?" the answer is No.

If your question is, "I'm switching a partition to using geli, do I
need to back up my data before doing so?" the answer is YES!

> But I want to keep the info on the slice.

Then you need to copy it elsewhere, then copy it back after the slice
is encrypted.

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hi,

no does not work, since using SSH / SFTP does not involve starting a
shell. so umask settings don't work.



Regards,
---
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On Di, 2009-04-21 at 14:36 +0200, Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:17:40 Mister Olli wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > I have the same problem on some fileservers I do the administration for.
> > But in my case the users send the files via SSH to the server.
> >
> > A solution for this, based on some OS mechanism would be really
> > great :-)
> 
> umask(1).


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Hello,
My name is Stefan Beskow and I work as a configuration manager within
Ericsson AB.
I am investigating the legal aspects of the use of open source sw within
a project.

Could you please help me with information about license issues and
copywriting issues ea for the fsck_msdosfs ?=20
What is required in order to use the fsck_msdosfs software?


Best regards,
Stefan Beskow

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Mini-Link, Embedded Software

Email: stefan.beskow@ericsson.com
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Dear alll

pardon the re-post, I thought I would check again if somebody has
found a solution for this, since my last e-mail.

I am running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 on an i386 machine and I am unable
to use applications that depend on xview. For example, when I try to
run "clock", I get:

Assertion failed: (ret != inval_id), function _XAllocID, file
xcb_io.c, line 378. Abort

and I get the same error for any other application using xview.

I have updated the installed software to the latest (as of today)
version of the ports tree, and I have also run the following command
listed in /usr/ports/UPDATING:

portupgrade -rf libxcb

but to no avail.

I have also googled the error message, but the only link that comes up
is in Japanese....

Any suggestions?

thank you very much in advance

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> Agreed. Bind 9.5 and higher from ports has "XML statistics" support. That 
> explains the xml and iconv. ldd -a /usr/sbin/named should show you which one 
> wants libm.so.2 which is from the 4.x days.
> If you don't need these statistics, I would suggest turning them off through 
> make config.

This is great feedback. I confirmed the old "compat" dependency is from libxml, and 
it's true we don't use those XML stats. I like the suggestion of using "make config" to
recompile without the stat support, which will remove all the troublesome dependencies for
us. Thanks!

    Mark

ldd -a /usr/sbin/named
/usr/sbin/named:
        libcrypto.so.4 => /lib/libcrypto.so.4 (0x281ff000)
        libxml2.so.5 => /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 (0x282f1000)
        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
        libm.so.4 => /lib/libm.so.4 (0x284e3000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x284f9000)
/usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5:
        libiconv.so.3 => /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 (0x283ef000)
        libm.so.2 => /usr/local/lib/compat/libm.so.2 (0x285d1000)

    
    Mark

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Matthew Seaman <
m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:

> Mel Flynn wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to believe
> it's
> > possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't mean the
> skew
> > operation, but really change the time. Backwards is my primary concern
> but if
> > it can be turned off completely it's fine with me.
> >
> > Reason being dovecot bailing out when this happens:
> > Apr  1 16:18:26 squish ntpd[1353]: time reset -6.711955 s
> >
> > Apr  1 16:18:26 mx1 dovecot: Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 6
> seconds.
> > This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now.
> > http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
> >
>
> This seems to be a bete-noir for the dovecot developer.  Whatever, it is
> a royal pain in the arse, as my mailserver always steps the time
> backwards on each reboot, and then dovecot does it's dying swan thing.
>
> Three choices:
>
>  * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the modern and
>    accepted method.  Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate process and
>    run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag.
>
>  * Don't run dovecot.  Other IMAP servers do not suffer in the same
>    way.
>
>  * Put up with it.  Avoid reboots, and swear at all concerned any time
>    you really do have to reboot.
>
>        Cheers,
>
>        Matthew
>

How about adding ntpdate's provided string to dovecot's required string in
their respective startup rc.d scripts?  This forces dovecot to wait until
ntpdate has been called, assuming time has actually been set/changed, then
dovecot may start?

I'd try that.  :D

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:09:09 +0200
Mel Flynn <mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:39:32 Matthew Seaman wrote:

> >   * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the
> > modern and accepted method.  Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate
> > process and run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag.
> 
> Hmm, isc sure knows how to abstract something as simple as command
> line options into several levels. From the source, -q activates
> mode_ntpdate which is one path for time reset. Since not using that,
> it's not that path.
> 
> The other codepath, has 4 possibles, 2 of which relating to step-in
> and step- out, which I could increase to values that are less likely
> to cause a step. Would be worthwhile if there aren't 2 other
> possibilities which most likely cause the "step back after reboot"
> syndrome:

The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the problem
entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the fact that it
happens in the background, and after a delay.

ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I
doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality.
ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't really
replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence.


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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote:

> The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the problem
> entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the fact that it
> happens in the background, and after a delay.

Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date command that 
sets time to the past, for example?

> ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I
> doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality.
> ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't really
> replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence.

I'm actually counting on it to be gone in 8.0.
-- 
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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:11:52 Tim Judd wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Matthew Seaman <
>
> m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:
> > Mel Flynn wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to
> > > believe
> >
> > it's
> >
> > > possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't mean
> > > the
> >
> > skew
> >
> > > operation, but really change the time. Backwards is my primary concern
> >
> > but if
> >
> > > it can be turned off completely it's fine with me.
> > >
> > > Reason being dovecot bailing out when this happens:
> > > Apr  1 16:18:26 squish ntpd[1353]: time reset -6.711955 s
> > >
> > > Apr  1 16:18:26 mx1 dovecot: Fatal: Time just moved backwards by 6
> >
> > seconds.
> >
> > > This might cause a lot of problems, so I'll just kill myself now.
> > > http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
> >
> > This seems to be a bete-noir for the dovecot developer.  Whatever, it is
> > a royal pain in the arse, as my mailserver always steps the time
> > backwards on each reboot, and then dovecot does it's dying swan thing.
> >
> > Three choices:
> >
> >  * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the modern and
> >    accepted method.  Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate process and
> >    run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag.
> >
> >  * Don't run dovecot.  Other IMAP servers do not suffer in the same
> >    way.
> >
> >  * Put up with it.  Avoid reboots, and swear at all concerned any time
> >    you really do have to reboot.
> >
> >        Cheers,
> >
> >        Matthew
>
> How about adding ntpdate's provided string to dovecot's required string in
> their respective startup rc.d scripts?  This forces dovecot to wait until
> ntpdate has been called, assuming time has actually been set/changed, then
> dovecot may start?

That could work, if ntpd_sync_on_start would actually sync on start. Trying 
not to enable ntpdate unless I really have to, since I expect it to be gone in 
8.0.
Still, there's a chance ntp steps backwards during the runtime, but then my 
CMOS battery probably needs replacing anyway.
-- 
Mel

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 08:33:00 am Stefan Beskow wrote:
> Hello,
> My name is Stefan Beskow and I work as a configuration manager within
> Ericsson AB.
> I am investigating the legal aspects of the use of open source sw
> within a project.
>
> Could you please help me with information about license issues and
> copywriting issues ea for the fsck_msdosfs ?
> What is required in order to use the fsck_msdosfs software?

fsck_msdosfs is provided under a BSD license like most of the rest of 
FreeBSD. See: 
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/index.html and especially 
http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html.

For fsck_msdosfs in particular, see also the comments at the top of the 
source files, e.g.:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/fsck_msdosfs/main.c?rev=1.15.20.1;content-type=text%2Fplain.

JN


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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 15:13:47 Mister Olli wrote:

> no does not work, since using SSH / SFTP does not involve starting a
> shell. so umask settings don't work.

Then you're using the wrong system for the task. The OS can't make assumptions 
about "what the ownership/modes of a file should really be, if an application 
is telling it they should be different".
This is why more mature FTP daemons allow modes/ownerships to be set on 
upload.

The OS already:
- gives a new file group of the containing directory so it is easy to create 
"shared files" in a "shared directory"
- has a default umask that is world readable
- allows changing a users umask

The application (sftp) overrides all this and now you're expecting the OS to 
override that again. Don't think so ;)
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Mel

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I'm trying to use Dummynet+IPFW and bridging to make a packet shaper
that runs across multiple VLANs. So my intended set up is:

[users]->[Aggregate Switch]=>[FreeBSD]=>[Upstream Switch (with IP
interfaces for each vlan)]->The World

where -> is a single VLAN, and => is a tagged dot1q trunk. The aim is to
drop the FreeBSD box in the middle, in one trunked uplink, and cover all
the VLANs downstream of that.

Should this work?

In practice, the bridging seems to work OK, but as soon as I add rules
to match traffic passing through and apply it to pipes, everything
stops. I can use tcpdump's vlan option to filter traffic on em0, em1 or
bridge0 and it does show only traffic for that vlan, so tags are being
preserved...

Ideally, I'd like to use the dot1q tag in ipfw rules directly, and avoid
ip ranges, but I don't think that's possible. Is there some special
incantation to make ipfw vlan-aware?

Has anyone else done this successfully?

Best Regards,

Howie

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Good afternoon,

We are using fsck_msdosfs in one of our products, and are trying to
comply with the conditions in the correct way. We get a bit confused
with the copyright notices, and hopy you are able to clarify this for
us. Inside the source files found at
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/fsck_msdosfs/ , we find
the following copyright text
************************************************************************
*******************************************************
/*
 * Copyright (C) 1995 Wolfgang Solfrank
 * Copyright (c) 1995 Martin Husemann
 *
 * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
 * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
 * are met:
 * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
 *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
 * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
 *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in
the
 *    documentation and/or other materials provided with the
distribution.
 * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
software
 *    must display the following acknowledgement:
 *	This product includes software developed by Martin Husemann
 *	and Wolfgang Solfrank.
 * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its
contributors
 *    may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
software
 *    without specific prior written permission.
 *
 * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHORS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR
 * IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
WARRANTIES
 * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE
DISCLAIMED.
 * IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT,
 * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING,
BUT
 * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF
USE,
 * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY
 * THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT
 * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE
OF
 * THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.
 */
************************************************************************
**************************************************************


Then, under the Free BSD Legal Notices, under which it seems that
fsck_msdosfs resides, we find the following FreeBSD Copyright notice:


************************************************************************
**************************************************************

Copyright 1994-2009 The FreeBSD Project. All rights reserved.

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are
met:

1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.=20
2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.=20

THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE FREEBSD PROJECT ``AS IS'' AND ANY
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FREEBSD PROJECT OR
CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO,
PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR
PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING
NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS
SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.

The views and conclusions contained in the software and documentation
are those of the authors and should not be interpreted as representing
official policies, either expressed or implied, of the FreeBSD Project.

************************************************************************
**************************************************************

How do these two copyright texts relate to each other, and how do we use
them in the correct way? This is particularly relevant to sort out when
we do redistribution in binary, where the copyright text needs to be
provided. Do we provide both, or just the one or the other?

Looking forward to your clarification.

Regards,
Even Rognlien
Trade Compliance Advisor
+47 901 26 411




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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 10:32:04 Mel Flynn wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> On Monday 20 April 2009 21:48:39 David Naylor wrote:
> > There has been an article recently published by phoronix
> > (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dpcbsd_vs_kubunt=
u&num=3D
> >1) that compares PC-BSD to Kubuntu.  Kubuntu uses GCC 4.3.3 compared to
> > FreeBSD's GCC 4.2.2.  There is a considerable performance difference
> > between the two OS's, the article contributes this difference to the
> > compiler.
>
> Nice shot in the dark, since except the calculations a lot of these are
> influenced by "journaled FS vs stock UFS".

I know, benchmarking anything but the simplest things are influenced by too=
=20
many factors.  Pity it doesn't provide an unbiased comparison of FreeBSD an=
d=20
Linux. =20

> > In order to check if this is so (and to get the speed improvements of G=
CC
> > 4.3+) one needs to compile the ports (and preferable world/kernel as
> > well) with GCC 4.3+.
>
> It's license is incompatible with world/kernel.=20

What type of incompatibility.  I know FreeBSD has reservations about GPLv3 =
(I=20
personally don't understand why everyone cannot be friends and use BSD=20
Licenses).  So is this a policy incompatibility or a legal one (i.e. would =
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be 'illegal' for me to use GCC 4.3+ to compile world/kernel, as an=20
end-user/consumer of FreeBSD).  I assume the same discussion applies to=20
binutils. =20

> That said, install=20
> lang/gcc43 and set CC/CXX for ports. World/kernel would be a lot harder.
> Maybe setting WITHOUT_GCC in /etc/src.conf and setting CC/CXX would work,
> but there's quite a few modifications to gcc that aren't in ports lang/gc=
c,
> so I have my doubts.

I suppose it would be nice if there was an easy way to use an out-of-source=
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> > Is there an easy way to set this up and does anyone know the
> > compatibility of world/kernel/ports with GCC 4.3+?
> >
> > Also has anyone tried this and benchmarked the result?
>
> Not me, but be sure to stick around for the new non-gcc compiler coming to
> a FreeBSD near you. And with the work done by Marcel Molenaar on gpart,
> hopefully we can have ZFS and gjournal as choices in the installer.

You mean llvm, waiting patiently.  I suppose my suggestion above will becom=
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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 17:37:50 David Naylor wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 10:32:04 Mel Flynn wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > On Monday 20 April 2009 21:48:39 David Naylor wrote:
> > > There has been an article recently published by phoronix
> > > (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pcbsd_vs_kubuntu&nu
> > >m= 1) that compares PC-BSD to Kubuntu.  Kubuntu uses GCC 4.3.3 compared
> > > to FreeBSD's GCC 4.2.2.  There is a considerable performance difference
> > > between the two OS's, the article contributes this difference to the
> > > compiler.
> >
> > Nice shot in the dark, since except the calculations a lot of these are
> > influenced by "journaled FS vs stock UFS".
>
> I know, benchmarking anything but the simplest things are influenced by too
> many factors.  Pity it doesn't provide an unbiased comparison of FreeBSD
> and Linux.

That and comparing apples and pears as default configured fruit, don't usually 
work well. Of course it appeals to the end user "which fruit is healthier".

> > > In order to check if this is so (and to get the speed improvements of
> > > GCC 4.3+) one needs to compile the ports (and preferable world/kernel
> > > as well) with GCC 4.3+.
> >
> > It's license is incompatible with world/kernel.
>
> What type of incompatibility.  I know FreeBSD has reservations about GPLv3
> (I personally don't understand why everyone cannot be friends and use BSD
> Licenses).  So is this a policy incompatibility or a legal one (i.e. would
> it be 'illegal' for me to use GCC 4.3+ to compile world/kernel, as an
> end-user/consumer of FreeBSD).  I assume the same discussion applies to
> binutils.

Policy. Only legal issue in FreeBSD for the end user is WITH_IDEA.

> > That said, install
> > lang/gcc43 and set CC/CXX for ports. World/kernel would be a lot harder.
> > Maybe setting WITHOUT_GCC in /etc/src.conf and setting CC/CXX would work,
> > but there's quite a few modifications to gcc that aren't in ports
> > lang/gcc, so I have my doubts.
>
> I suppose it would be nice if there was an easy way to use an out-of-source
> compiler in FreeBSD.  Like set PORTS_COMPILER=gcc43 and the port will
> installed and used... One may have dreams.

cat <<'EOF' >> /etc/make.conf
.if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports/*)
CC=/usr/local/bin/gcc43
CXX=/usr/local/bin/g++43
.endif
EOF

Pretty close, huh?

> > > Is there an easy way to set this up and does anyone know the
> > > compatibility of world/kernel/ports with GCC 4.3+?
> > >
> > > Also has anyone tried this and benchmarked the result?
> >
> > Not me, but be sure to stick around for the new non-gcc compiler coming
> > to a FreeBSD near you. And with the work done by Marcel Molenaar on
> > gpart, hopefully we can have ZFS and gjournal as choices in the
> > installer.
>
> You mean llvm, waiting patiently.  I suppose my suggestion above will
> become even more important (at least for compiling ports) since it will be
> a while till llvm has decent c++ support.

Yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work if llvm is ready for base, but no 
c++. I guess we'll have to sit out g++ 4.2 for a while. If you're in the 
position to do so, I'd do their benchmarks with ZFS and see how much 
difference that already makes.
-- 
Mel

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Roland Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 09:35:45PM +0200, Aniruddha wrote:
>   
>> Roland Smith wrote:
>>     
>>> For the best performance, you'll have to update to a recent 7-STABLE, or
>>> wait for the upcoming 7.2 release. The kernel support code for graphics
>>> chips has been updated since the release of 7.1. 
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Thanks I'll try that. What's the recommended way to upgrade nowadays? 
>> freebsd-update or still cvsup/portupgrade?
>>     
>
> Well, freebsd-update is only for the base system (binary updates) while
> the cvsup/portupgrade combo is for ports.
>
> I tend to update the sources and recompile, so I can use src.conf and
> make.conf to customise the base system and ports.
>
> For the base system: csup (not a typo, it's a replacement in the base
> system for the cvsup port). For ports, a combination of portsnap to
> update the ports tree, and portmaster to recompile out-of-date ports.
>
>
>   
I upgraded to the latest Xserver, 2d acceleration does seem a bit 
improved unfortunately it still isn't optimal. I guess I'd better buy an 
Nvidia card.

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 17:58:15 Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 17:37:50 David Naylor wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 April 2009 10:32:04 Mel Flynn wrote:
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > On Monday 20 April 2009 21:48:39 David Naylor wrote:
> > > > There has been an article recently published by phoronix
> > > > (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=3Darticle&item=3Dpcbsd_vs_ku=
buntu&
> > > >nu m=3D 1) that compares PC-BSD to Kubuntu.  Kubuntu uses GCC 4.3.3
> > > > compared to FreeBSD's GCC 4.2.2.  There is a considerable performan=
ce
> > > > difference between the two OS's, the article contributes this
> > > > difference to the compiler.
> > >
> > > Nice shot in the dark, since except the calculations a lot of these a=
re
> > > influenced by "journaled FS vs stock UFS".
> >
> > I know, benchmarking anything but the simplest things are influenced by
> > too many factors.  Pity it doesn't provide an unbiased comparison of
> > FreeBSD and Linux.
>
> That and comparing apples and pears as default configured fruit, don't
> usually work well. Of course it appeals to the end user "which fruit is
> healthier".

:-)

> > > > In order to check if this is so (and to get the speed improvements =
of
> > > > GCC 4.3+) one needs to compile the ports (and preferable world/kern=
el
> > > > as well) with GCC 4.3+.
> > >
> > > It's license is incompatible with world/kernel.
> >
> > What type of incompatibility.  I know FreeBSD has reservations about
> > GPLv3 (I personally don't understand why everyone cannot be friends and
> > use BSD Licenses).  So is this a policy incompatibility or a legal one
> > (i.e. would it be 'illegal' for me to use GCC 4.3+ to compile
> > world/kernel, as an end-user/consumer of FreeBSD).  I assume the same
> > discussion applies to binutils.
>
> Policy. Only legal issue in FreeBSD for the end user is WITH_IDEA.

Thanks for sorting that out.  Good news for me.

> > > That said, install
> > > lang/gcc43 and set CC/CXX for ports. World/kernel would be a lot
> > > harder. Maybe setting WITHOUT_GCC in /etc/src.conf and setting CC/CXX
> > > would work, but there's quite a few modifications to gcc that aren't =
in
> > > ports lang/gcc, so I have my doubts.
> >
> > I suppose it would be nice if there was an easy way to use an
> > out-of-source compiler in FreeBSD.  Like set PORTS_COMPILER=3Dgcc43 and=
 the
> > port will installed and used... One may have dreams.
>
> cat <<'EOF' >> /etc/make.conf
> .if !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/ports/*)
> CC=3D/usr/local/bin/gcc43
> CXX=3D/usr/local/bin/g++43
> .endif
> EOF
>
> Pretty close, huh?

Kinda, it is what I was thinking about (or just symlinking cc, cxx to the=20
proper programs).  Of course if this is implemented 'properly' in ports the=
n=20
auto-dependencies and all that will be added. =20

I was actually thinking about replacing the standard compiler by
a) not installing gcc 4.2.2 (i think WITHOUT_GCC, as mentioned by yourself)
b) installing latest gcc:=20
# make -C /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 install DESTDIR=3D/new/freebsd/system=20
PREFIX=3D/usr -DWITHOUT_JAVA
 [ With symlinks from gcc43 -> gcc, etc]
c) Hoping this works

Well something like that (with extra hope)

> > > > Is there an easy way to set this up and does anyone know the
> > > > compatibility of world/kernel/ports with GCC 4.3+?
> > > >
> > > > Also has anyone tried this and benchmarked the result?
> > >
> > > Not me, but be sure to stick around for the new non-gcc compiler comi=
ng
> > > to a FreeBSD near you. And with the work done by Marcel Molenaar on
> > > gpart, hopefully we can have ZFS and gjournal as choices in the
> > > installer.
> >
> > You mean llvm, waiting patiently.  I suppose my suggestion above will
> > become even more important (at least for compiling ports) since it will
> > be a while till llvm has decent c++ support.
>
> Yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work if llvm is ready for base, but no
> c++. I guess we'll have to sit out g++ 4.2 for a while. If you're in the
> position to do so, I'd do their benchmarks with ZFS and see how much
> difference that already makes.

Well, llvm does support C++ (with the gcc frontend) so that shouldn't be to=
o=20
much of a problem.  clang is more of the issue but I suppose we could alway=
s=20
have llvm-clang for C and llvm-gcc for C++ (until clang gets full C++=20
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I can't get any sound with programs such as mplayer and exaile. However 
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:32 +0200
Mel Flynn <mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote:
> 
> > The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the
> > problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the
> > fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay.
> 
> Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date
> command that sets time to the past, for example?

I was assuming that since you're running ntpd you wouldn't be doing
that.
 
> > ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I
> > doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality.
> > ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't
> > really replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence.
> 
> I'm actually counting on it to be gone in 8.0.

Is that official?

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2009/4/14 Ruben de Groot <mail25@bzerk.org>:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:40:51PM -0300, Agus typed:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Yesterday i suddenly start receiving this errors... first i noticed it
>> cause i couldnt login and bash threw it.. then su...
>>
>> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required b=
y "-su"
>>
>> Then i remove bash and change to tcsh and was "ok"... but then again,
>> this one when using sendmail..
>>
>> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libsasl2.so.2" not found,
>> required by "send-mail"
>>
>>
>> I didnt update anything... and it was all running fine for months...
>> what can it be? the files i have are..
>>
>> -rwxr-xr-x =A01 root =A0wheel =A0 =A092K Mar 11 15:26 libsasl2.so.2
>> lrwxr-xr-x =A01 root =A0wheel =A0 =A013B Mar 11 15:26 libsasl2.so -> lib=
sasl2.so.2
>>
>> -r--r--r-- =A01 root =A0wheel =A0 =A039K Aug 23 =A02008 libintl.so.8
>> lrwxr-xr-x =A01 root =A0wheel =A0 =A012B Aug 23 =A02008 libintl.so -> li=
bintl.so.8
>
> What is the output of "ldconfig -r" ?
>
>

Sorry for the delay.. was too busyy...

No output... just this

ldconfig -r
/var/run/ld-elf.so.hints:
	search directories:

Thanksss,
Agustin

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, P.Moulin wrote:

>> Testing a mini-ITX Intel D945GCLF2 motherboard with Atom 330 processor.
>> 
> Hi, [sorry to re-open this one month old thread]
>
> I have also this D945GCLF2. All is running nearly fine, but on heavy load
> and after the system is powered up for a couple of days, it panics.
>
> The system is running 7.1-RC1 (7th dec 2008) as a Generic kernel, and a
> gmirrored WDC+seagate backup drive. The bios is still in 99 release.
>
> Since I have read some is using also this board as an home server, does
> someone else is also having this issue (panic under heavy load when up for a 
> few days) ?

Just as feedback, the board I was testing eventually refused to power 
on.  So that test ended there.

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA

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Hi, Mel--

On Apr 21, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
> Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to  
> believe it's
> possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't  
> mean the skew
> operation, but really change the time.

Perhaps I've missed it elsewhere in this thread, but I don't believe  
anyone actually answered the original question, which would be to use:

    -x, --slew
           Slew up to 600 seconds.

           Normally, the time is slewed if the offset is less than the  
step
           threshold,  which is 128 ms by default, and stepped if  
above the
           threshold.  This option sets the threshold to 600  s,   
which  is
           well  within  the  accuracy  window  to  set the clock  
manually.
[ ... ]

It should be surprising that your clock would jump by 6 seconds.  Do  
you have adequate upstream timesources (ie, at least 4) configured, is  
your local HW clock busted somehow, or are you doing something odd  
with power-savings mode or running in a VM or something...?

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck


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Even Rognlien wrote:
> Good afternoon,
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> We are using fsck_msdosfs in one of our products, and are trying to
> comply with the conditions in the correct way. We get a bit confused
> with the copyright notices, and hopy you are able to clarify this for
> us. Inside the source files found at
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/fsck_msdosfs/ , we find
> the following copyright text

You do understand that the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list is =
not
an official mouthpiece for the FreeBSD project, but rather a collection o=
f FreeBSD=20
users from all round the world?  We can offer advice and opinions about y=
our
questions, but we can't give you a definitive answer.  If your legal peop=
le need something more authoritative, probably the best place to start is=
 with the FreeBSD foundation: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org

> ***********************************************************************=
*
> *******************************************************
> /*
>  * Copyright (C) 1995 Wolfgang Solfrank
>  * Copyright (c) 1995 Martin Husemann
>  *
>  * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
>  * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions
>  * are met:
>  * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
>  *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
>  * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright=

>  *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in
> the
>  *    documentation and/or other materials provided with the
> distribution.
>  * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this
> software
>  *    must display the following acknowledgement:
>  *	This product includes software developed by Martin Husemann
>  *	and Wolfgang Solfrank.
>  * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its
> contributors
>  *    may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
> software
>  *    without specific prior written permission.
>  *
>  * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHORS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS O=
R
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>  * INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING,=

> BUT
>  * NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF=

> USE,
>  * DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON AN=
Y
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E
> OF
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>=20
> Then, under the Free BSD Legal Notices, under which it seems that
> fsck_msdosfs resides, we find the following FreeBSD Copyright notice:
>=20
>=20
> ***********************************************************************=
*
> **************************************************************
>=20
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>=20
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> modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are
> met:
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> 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
> notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.=20
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> notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the
> documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.=20
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> official policies, either expressed or implied, of the FreeBSD Project.=

>=20
> ***********************************************************************=
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> **************************************************************
>=20
> How do these two copyright texts relate to each other, and how do we us=
e
> them in the correct way? This is particularly relevant to sort out when=

> we do redistribution in binary, where the copyright text needs to be
> provided. Do we provide both, or just the one or the other?

The copyright notice included in the source code for the application
takes precedence.  Note that copyright is still asserted by the original
authors of the software, and also seems to involve whatever University bo=
th
of those people were attending in 1995.

However, apart from clauses 3 and 4 of the original copyright, the two
license notices are equivalent, and may be summarized as follows:

   You can do what you want with this software so long as you
   acknowledge the original authors / copyright holders.

The requirement to reproduce the copyright notice can be handled via a=20
web site -- for instance, see:

   http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc770985.aspx

(Luigi Rizzo mentioned on that page is a prominent FreeBSD contributor)

If you're producing a shrink-wrapped software product then just adding
the text somewhere in any supporting manuals or other paperwork will be
sufficient.

With respect to clauses 3 and 4 --  you simply have to list the names of =
the
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t
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	Cheers,

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 19:31:33 RW wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:32 +0200
>
> Mel Flynn <mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote:
> > > The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the
> > > problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the
> > > fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay.
> >
> > Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date
> > command that sets time to the past, for example?
>
> I was assuming that since you're running ntpd you wouldn't be doing
> that.

Right, then this works because ntpdate is started before dovecot in rcorder, 
like Tim Judd said else in thread.

> > > ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I
> > > doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality.
> > > ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't
> > > really replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence.
> >
> > I'm actually counting on it to be gone in 8.0.
>
> Is that official?

Nope, but 3 major releases of mourning should be enough ya think? 
Maybe not, given the problems above.

Now I'm also wondering how ntpd handles securelevel 2.
-- 
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On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
> Now I'm also wondering how ntpd handles securelevel 2.

"man init" suggests that stepping the clock by more than a second is  
disallowed:

    2     Highly secure mode - same as secure mode, plus disks may not  
be
          opened for writing (except by mount(2)) whether mounted or  
not.
          This level precludes tampering with file systems by unmounting
          them, but also inhibits running newfs(8) while the system is  
multi-
          user.

          In addition, kernel time changes are restricted to less than  
or
          equal to one second.  Attempts to change the time by more  
than this
          will log the message ``Time adjustment clamped to +1 second''.

Regards,
-- 
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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 19:33:37 Agus wrote:
> 2009/4/14 Ruben de Groot <mail25@bzerk.org>:
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:40:51PM -0300, Agus typed:
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> Yesterday i suddenly start receiving this errors... first i noticed it
> >> cause i couldnt login and bash threw it.. then su...
> >>
> >> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required
> >> by "-su"
> >>
> >> Then i remove bash and change to tcsh and was "ok"... but then again,
> >> this one when using sendmail..
> >>
> >> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libsasl2.so.2" not found,
> >> required by "send-mail"
> >>
> >>
> >> I didnt update anything... and it was all running fine for months...
> >> what can it be? the files i have are..
> >>
> >> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel    92K Mar 11 15:26 libsasl2.so.2
> >> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel    13B Mar 11 15:26 libsasl2.so ->
> >> libsasl2.so.2
> >>
> >> -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel    39K Aug 23  2008 libintl.so.8
> >> lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel    12B Aug 23  2008 libintl.so -> libintl.so.8
> >
> > What is the output of "ldconfig -r" ?
>
> Sorry for the delay.. was too busyy...
>
> No output... just this
>
> ldconfig -r
> /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints:
> 	search directories:

Possible causes:
/var/run/ld-elf.so.hints is reduced to 0 by program foo, operator bar or 
hacker baz.
You or operator bar ran ldconfig -s without arguments.

/rescue/ldconfig /lib
/etc/rc.d/ldconfig start

Should get you back up and running.
-- 
Mel

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 20:29:18 Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
> > Now I'm also wondering how ntpd handles securelevel 2.
>
> "man init" suggests that stepping the clock by more than a second is
> disallowed:

yes, so does it bail or retry till skew wins over the failed steps?
-- 
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On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 20:29:18 Chuck Swiger wrote:
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
>>> Now I'm also wondering how ntpd handles securelevel 2.
>>
>> "man init" suggests that stepping the clock by more than a second is
>> disallowed:
>
> yes, so does it bail or retry till skew wins over the failed steps?

The attempt to step the clock will fail.  ntpd should continue to run,  
but the rate of skewing is typically limited to 1 second of correction  
over a time interval of 2000 seconds.  If your clock routinely drifts  
by more than 1 second every hour or so, ntpd is unlikely to be able to  
correct the time at all under securelevel 2.

If your clock drift is less, ntpd should eventually manage to sync  
time, but for extreme cases, running ntpdate periodically to forcibly  
reset the clock might be needed (and to run ntpdate after boot, you'd  
need to back down to securelevel 1).

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck


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Howard Jones wrote:
> I'm trying to use Dummynet+IPFW and bridging to make a packet shaper
> that runs across multiple VLANs. So my intended set up is:
>=20
> [users]->[Aggregate Switch]=3D>[FreeBSD]=3D>[Upstream Switch (with IP
> interfaces for each vlan)]->The World
>=20
> where -> is a single VLAN, and =3D> is a tagged dot1q trunk. The aim is to
> drop the FreeBSD box in the middle, in one trunked uplink, and cover all
> the VLANs downstream of that.
>=20
> Should this work?
>=20
> In practice, the bridging seems to work OK, but as soon as I add rules
> to match traffic passing through and apply it to pipes, everything
> stops. I can use tcpdump's vlan option to filter traffic on em0, em1 or
> bridge0 and it does show only traffic for that vlan, so tags are being
> preserved...
>=20
> Ideally, I'd like to use the dot1q tag in ipfw rules directly, and avoid
> ip ranges, but I don't think that's possible. Is there some special
> incantation to make ipfw vlan-aware?
>=20
> Has anyone else done this successfully?

This is how I do it:

ipfw pipe 1 all from any to any in via vlan20
ipfw pipe 2 all from any to any in via vlan40=20

But in my configuration, bridge0 has members vlan20 and vlan40. I would
create a separate bridge with vlan21 and vlan41.=20

I don't think ipfw can filter on dot1q tags yet, though. There was a lot
of layer 2 filtering capability in a patch floating around for
8-CURRENT, but I'm not sure of its status, nor whether dot1q filtering
was implemented.

--=20
Chris Cowart
Network Technical Lead
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On Sun, 19 April 2009 03:14:35 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This week upgraded my Acer TravelMate 4060 laptop from FreeBSD 7.0
> > to FreeBSD 7.1 and also csup'ed my ports and portupgraded them and
> > I am not able to start X correctly. When I invoke startx, it tries
> > to start it and then the screen goes blank and black, nothing is
> > seen on it and I am no able to kill X using ctrl-alt-backspace or
> > swtich to another terminal and I have to cold reboot my machine.
> >
> > uname -r shows 7.1-RELEASE-p4
> >
> > The version of xorg metaport is 7.4_1, the version of xorg-server
> > is 1.6.0,1.
> >
> > After I did the portupgrade I rebooted my machine and the KDE
> > display manager failed to appear, so I disabled it from /etc/ttys
> > for easier debugging. After I logged in to a shell, I called startx
> > and the screen went blank and black. After I rebooted the machine I
> > invoked
> >
> > X -configure
> >
> > as root and run
> >
> > X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
> >
> > and again the same problem.
>
> The default screen when not running a WM/DE is no longer the familiar
> screen pattern / X mouse pointer, but a black screen. Go figure...
> You maybe having a working X and not know it.
> 

I had the same issues starting and stopping X.  I was looking at a pitch 
black screen and did not know if the server was running properly or 
not.  After some digging around I found a new parameter which will 
produce the traditional stipple with cursor in the center of the 
screen:

   X -retro

The above command plus the settings in xorg.conf about killing the 
server with Ctrl+Atl+BS (specified elsewhere in this thread) will 
produce a traditional startup and shutdown for X.

Thank for all the useful tips

Marek

> > I then tried to make ctrl-alt-backspace
> > work and I added the following section at the end of
> > /root/xorg.conf.new
> >
> > Section "ServerFlags"
> > Option "DontZap" "off"
> > EndSection
>
> This should definitely work.
>
> > and called X -config /root/xorg.conf.new again - same results and
> > still could not kill ther server. I followed /usr/ports/UPDATING,
> > entry from 20090123 and disabled moused and added
> >
> > Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off"
>
> Browsing your xorg.conf, you forgot to add the keyword "Option" in
> front of "AllowEmptyInput". And actually this should also go the
> "ServerFlags" section.
>
> > in the ServerLayout section. Again X refuses to start
> > appropriately.
> >
> > I would be very grateful if you help me in resolving this issue.
> >
> > I am attaching my xorg.conf file and the logs from
> > /var/log/Xorg.0.log and I will happily provide more information if
> > needed.
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rambius
>
> You can download my working xorg.conf from here:
>
> http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/xorg.conf.tar.gz
>
> It even includes some comments. Give it a try.
>
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Agus wrote:

[snip]
>> What is the output of "ldconfig -r" ?
>>
>>
> 
> Sorry for the delay.. was too busyy...
> 
> No output... just this
> 
> ldconfig -r
> /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints:
> search directories:
> 

Sounds like the hints file is missing or damaged. These live here: 
/var/run/ld.so.hints for a.out and /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints for elf format. 
Look and see if these are present, and possibly consider deleting them and 
regenerating due to the possibility they are damaged. As root the command 
ldconfig -aout will do the first (probably not needed as that format is 
deprecated) and ldconfig -elf will do the second. 

-Mike





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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 19:43:30 Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Hi, Mel--
>
> On Apr 21, 2009, at 2:06 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
> > Some coarse reading of ntpd(8) and ntp.conf(5) doesn't lead me to
> > believe it's
> > possible to make ntpd *not* adjust the time. With adjust I don't
> > mean the skew
> > operation, but really change the time.
>
> Perhaps I've missed it elsewhere in this thread, but I don't believe
> anyone actually answered the original question, which would be to use:
>
>     -x, --slew
>            Slew up to 600 seconds.
>
>            Normally, the time is slewed if the offset is less than the
> step
>            threshold,  which is 128 ms by default, and stepped if
> above the
>            threshold.  This option sets the threshold to 600  s,
> which  is
>            well  within  the  accuracy  window  to  set the clock
> manually.

Hmm, that might work. Thanks!


> It should be surprising that your clock would jump by 6 seconds.  Do
> you have adequate upstream timesources (ie, at least 4) configured, is
> your local HW clock busted somehow, or are you doing something odd
> with power-savings mode or running in a VM or something...?

One timesource, shared on local network, this machine is a client of the 
gateway, which uses only one source (ntp.alaska.edu, which is geographically 
10 minutes by car but thanks to Alaska bad peering, we go through Seattle 
anyway). I checked the logs, that machine didn't step at all that day (or any 
other day, as far as my logs go). It always happens after reboot, as Matthew 
indicated. No VM, no power-savings. The only odd things are Hyperthreading and 
the reboot.

Well, I abuse the machine quite heavily from time to time, but then I'd expect 
the clock to be slow, not 6 seconds faster.
-- 
Mel

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On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Mel Flynn wrote:
[ ... -x option... ]
> Hmm, that might work. Thanks!

Sure.

>> It should be surprising that your clock would jump by 6 seconds.  Do
>> you have adequate upstream timesources (ie, at least 4) configured,  
>> is
>> your local HW clock busted somehow, or are you doing something odd
>> with power-savings mode or running in a VM or something...?
>
> One timesource, shared on local network, this machine is a client of  
> the
> gateway, which uses only one source (ntp.alaska.edu, which is  
> geographically
> 10 minutes by car but thanks to Alaska bad peering, we go through  
> Seattle
> anyway). I checked the logs, that machine didn't step at all that  
> day (or any
> other day, as far as my logs go). It always happens after reboot, as  
> Matthew
> indicated. No VM, no power-savings. The only odd things are  
> Hyperthreading and
> the reboot.

OK, a step upon boot is not unusual-- some machines have poor  
timekeeping with the internal BIOS/battery-backed clock used when the  
system is off.

Note that NTP falseticker detection really wants to have at least 4  
timesources available for the algorithm it uses to detect whether an  
NTP source is behaving poorly.  Try contacting your ISP for nearby NTP  
sources, or try adding 0.us.pool.ntp.org, 1.us..., & 2.us... to your  
config; the NTP pool nameservers use a geolocation mechanism to some  
extent to try and return NTP servers which are close.

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Hi,

I'm trying to connect to my friend's FTP server but I'm getting a "No route
to host" when trying from my NAT workstation. It works just fine when I
connect from my NAT server though.

Internet -> NAT server (192.168.187.1) -> NAT workstation (192.168.187.2)

I've been suggested ftp-proxy. It didn't work though. You can see my setup
and hopefully other relevant info here: http://pastie.org/453644

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I have found that burning software is unable to detect my cdrom. I would
assume that this is because acd0 is listed in fstab as read-only. I am
just a little worried that changing it to rw might wreck a cd (already
burnt) one day. Since cp or mv to /cdrom won't work, I guess my fear is
unjustified hey?


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Christopher Chambers wrote:
> I have found that burning software is unable to detect my cdrom. I would
> assume that this is because acd0 is listed in fstab as read-only. 
That is not correct.
> I am
> just a little worried that changing it to rw might wreck a cd (already
> burnt) one day. 
This will not happen, burner won't engage on a disc w/ a closed session 
under normal circumstances.
> Since cp or mv to /cdrom won't work, I guess my fear is
> unjustified hey?
>   
not really, you should checkout the man pages for burncd, and cdrecord 
and the appropriate section in the handbook.

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Hi,

I have noticed that some programs have trouble interacting with my
ms-dos partition. For example, I attempted to download a torrent with
ctorrent. Works perfectly if I am saving to the bsd partition but my
whole system freezes if I use the ms-dos partition.

I mount it in /etc/fstab as "/dev/ad0s2 /d msdosfs rw 0 0"

Is this behaviour the result of the 0 0?


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On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
> I'm trying to connect to my friend's FTP server but I'm getting a  
> "No route
> to host" when trying from my NAT workstation. It works just fine  
> when I
> connect from my NAT server though.
>
> Internet -> NAT server (192.168.187.1) -> NAT workstation  
> (192.168.187.2)

Presumably you should have a default route set?  (Check netstat -r.)   
If not, consider:

   route add default 192.168.187.1

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On Tuesday 21 April 2009 21:07:34 Chuck Swiger wrote:

>  Try contacting your ISP for nearby NTP
> sources,

Anchorage, AK,  is special that way. I'll check with ACS if they have one, but 
if they don't, even traffic to the local competitor (GCI) goes through 
Seattle.

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to connect to my friend's FTP server but I'm getting a "No
>> route
>> to host" when trying from my NAT workstation. It works just fine when I
>> connect from my NAT server though.
>>
>> Internet -> NAT server (192.168.187.1) -> NAT workstation (192.168.187.2)
>>
>
> Presumably you should have a default route set?  (Check netstat -r.)  If
> not, consider:
>
>  route add default 192.168.187.1
>
> Regards,
> --
> -Chuck
>
>
Yeah, the default route is set. Routing works just fine. In fact, it's been
working for years. It's just this one FTP server that it won't connect to.

-- 
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On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
> Yeah, the default route is set. Routing works just fine. In fact,  
> it's been working for years. It's just this one FTP server that it  
> won't connect to.

Then it could be a legitimate error being returned by a remote router,  
also.  traceroute/mtr to the problematic host could be helpful....

-- 
-Chuck


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Hi Chris,

Setting cd as rw doesn't really make sense as you don't use filesystem 
tree to burn things on cds but use software that communicates with cd 
burner directly (through driver).

Problem with using cd burner is most probably because of access rights. 
Try running that burning software as root and if it works fine then 
you'll simply have to enable your user to use acd0.

Regards,
Rafal Grodzinski

Christopher Chambers wrote:
> I have found that burning software is unable to detect my cdrom. I would
> assume that this is because acd0 is listed in fstab as read-only. I am
> just a little worried that changing it to rw might wreck a cd (already
> burnt) one day. Since cp or mv to /cdrom won't work, I guess my fear is
> unjustified hey?
> 
> 

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the default route is set. Routing works just fine. In fact, it's
>> been working for years. It's just this one FTP server that it won't connect
>> to.
>>
>
> Then it could be a legitimate error being returned by a remote router,
> also.  traceroute/mtr to the problematic host could be helpful....
>
> --
> -Chuck
>
>
I think I just got some help on IRC:

<Pulpie> is it on the local network of your firewall and not this computer?
<me> yes!
<Pulpie> thats why you can't connect to it

Suggestions on how to fix this problem using pf would be greatly appreciated
though.

Many thanks!

-- 
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Redd Vinylene wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Chuck Swiger <cswiger@mac.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I'm trying to connect to my friend's FTP server but I'm getting a "No
>>> route
>>> to host" when trying from my NAT workstation. It works just fine when I
>>> connect from my NAT server though.
>>>
>>> Internet -> NAT server (192.168.187.1) -> NAT workstation (192.168.187.2)
>>>
>>>       
>> Presumably you should have a default route set?  (Check netstat -r.)  If
>> not, consider:
>>
>>  route add default 192.168.187.1
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> -Chuck
>>
>>
>>     
> Yeah, the default route is set. Routing works just fine. In fact, it's been
> working for years. It's just this one FTP server that it won't connect to.
>   
For awhile I had been dealing with a sort similar issue....see here:

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=890

There where other issues with it as well but that was the most 
reproducible.  Also sshd didn't work to same remote host either.  I 
recently upgraded the server from 6.2 -> 7.1 including updated ports 
rebuild.  That fixed every nagging issue with the system including 
nat/routing stuff.  My best guess is there was some issues w/ pf in 6.2 
as no config files for application got changed including fw rules yet 
now it works.

-- 
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Hi,
   I guess this is not a REAL freebsd problem, but I am running a perl
script on freebsd7.0/perl 5.10 system. This script failed with
"segmentation fault" at different stages with different input files,
and sometimes the script actually finishes and gives the reasonable
output. So does this mean the script is fine, but others are at fault?
e.g. memory.. or..??  any advice is welcome.


TFC

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:23:14 +0200
Mel Flynn <mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:

> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 19:31:33 RW wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:32 +0200
> >
> > Mel Flynn <mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote:
> > > > The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the
> > > > problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but
> > > > the fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay.
> > >
> > > Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date
> > > command that sets time to the past, for example?
> >
> > I was assuming that since you're running ntpd you wouldn't be doing
> > that.
> 
> Right, then this works because ntpdate is started before dovecot in
> rcorder, like Tim Judd said else in thread.

ntpdate and ntpd normally  start consecutively, both way before
Dovecot. The difference is that ntpdate runs in the foreground,
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If you're dead set against using ntpdate, you could use the preferred
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:50:47PM -0700, Christopher Chambers wrote:
> I have found that burning software is unable to detect my cdrom.

*What* burning software?

/usr/sbin/burncd should recognize the drive.

If you are trying to run cdrecord then you need "device atapicam" added
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> I would assume that this is because acd0 is listed in fstab as
> read-only.

/etc/fstab is a File System Table used for mounting filesystems. You are
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> I am just a little worried that changing it to rw might wreck a cd
> (already burnt) one day. Since cp or mv to /cdrom won't work, I guess
> my fear is unjustified hey?

The OS doesn't know how to write/append an ISO 9660 filesystem so there
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Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
> Hi,
>    I guess this is not a REAL freebsd problem, but I am running a perl
> script on freebsd7.0/perl 5.10 system. This script failed with
> "segmentation fault" at different stages with different input files,
> and sometimes the script actually finishes and gives the reasonable
> output. So does this mean the script is fine, but others are at fault?
> e.g. memory.. or..??  any advice is welcome.
>   
If you suspect bad memory, best to replace w/ known good or test 
somewhere that is not a concern.  Bad hardware and memory especially can 
cause many many different unexpected symptoms, and can be tricky to run 
down.

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On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Redd Vinylene wrote:
> I think I just got some help on IRC:
>
> <Pulpie> is it on the local network of your firewall and not this  
> computer?
> <me> yes!
> <Pulpie> thats why you can't connect to it
>
> Suggestions on how to fix this problem using pf would be greatly  
> appreciated though.
>
> Many thanks!

The canonical method would be to set up split DNS, or even just add  
an /etc/hosts entry with the hostname listing the LAN IP rather than  
an external IP.

-- 
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mv wrote:
> On Sun, 19 April 2009 03:14:35 Manolis Kiagias wrote:
>   
>>
>> The default screen when not running a WM/DE is no longer the familiar
>> screen pattern / X mouse pointer, but a black screen. Go figure...
>> You maybe having a working X and not know it.
>>
>>     
>
> I had the same issues starting and stopping X.  I was looking at a pitch 
> black screen and did not know if the server was running properly or 
> not.  After some digging around I found a new parameter which will 
> produce the traditional stipple with cursor in the center of the 
> screen:
>
>    X -retro
>
> The above command plus the settings in xorg.conf about killing the 
> server with Ctrl+Atl+BS (specified elsewhere in this thread) will 
> produce a traditional startup and shutdown for X.
>
> Thank for all the useful tips
>
> Marek
>
>   
You can also use twm for testing. Have a look at

http://www.freebsdgr.org/handbook-mine/x-config.html

(soon to be integrated in the Handbook)


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I've done a lot of searching and maybe this capability doesn't exist,  
but I am looking to do this:

I am at my company's HQ, we have a new field office that I am setting  
up a FreeBSD server. The technical knowledge at the site windows only,  
so I basically have someone I can have put a CD in a drive and power a  
machine on.

My problem is that the default install of FreeBSD has password  
authentication turned off, and root SSH disabled. Being a small  
office, they don't have a IP KVM or some way for me to get to the box  
to configure it.

My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that  
configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so  
I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key).

I know I can do the scripted sysinstall, but from what I could find I  
would need a floppy or additional CD to put the answer file on.

I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!

Thanks!

Scott Seekamp


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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp <sseekamp@risei.net> wrote:
> My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that  
> configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so  
> I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key).
> [...]
> I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!

I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable
in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method
usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what
is the hardware profile of the PC.

The method works as follows:

First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients.
Install and configure everything as you intend.

Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create
a simple script that:
	1. initializes the client's hard disk
	2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions
	3. dumps the partition images onto the disks
	4. reboots the machine into operating state.

After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and
change settings that need to be changed.

You always have your "reference machine" at hand, because it's
exactly installed and configured as the clients.

Under controlled conditions, it's even possible to build the
needed system in a virtualized environment.




-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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> ms-dos partition. For example, I attempted to download a torrent with
> ctorrent. Works perfectly if I am saving to the bsd partition but my
> whole system freezes if I use the ms-dos partition.
>
> I mount it in /etc/fstab as "/dev/ad0s2 /d msdosfs rw 0 0"
>
> Is this behaviour the result of the 0 0?

no. it's a result of ms-dos fs driver which is just useful to do 
read/write, even this isn't high performance ;)

mmap is probably buggy that's why rtorrent crash.
i don't think anyone really optimized this, not much need anyway.

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp <sseekamp@risei.net> wrote:
> > My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that  
> > configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so  
> > I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key).
> > [...]
> > I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!
> 
> I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable
> in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method
> usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what
> is the hardware profile of the PC.
> 
> The method works as follows:
> 
> First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients.
> Install and configure everything as you intend.
> 
> Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create
> a simple script that:
> 	1. initializes the client's hard disk
> 	2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions
> 	3. dumps the partition images onto the disks
> 	4. reboots the machine into operating state.
> 
> After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and
> change settings that need to be changed.

This works very well.   I have done essentially the same many times.
The one thing missing is that you need to have something to set the
network information -- hostname, IP address, gateway, netmask
and name-server.    These will be different for each machine.
So, your script will have to accomodate this - read console
input for these items and plug them in to the proper places
before rebooting.

////jerry


> 
> You always have your "reference machine" at hand, because it's
> exactly installed and configured as the clients.
> 
> Under controlled conditions, it's even possible to build the
> needed system in a virtualized environment.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Polytropon
> >From Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Hi,

I understand your point. 

But since a application can modify it to a arbritary value there must be
some way to keep the app from doing nasty stuff.
FreeBSD has MAC implementations ;-)))

Regards,
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Mr. Olli


On Di, 2009-04-21 at 17:02 +0200, Mel Flynn wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 April 2009 15:13:47 Mister Olli wrote:
> 
> > no does not work, since using SSH / SFTP does not involve starting a
> > shell. so umask settings don't work.
> 
> Then you're using the wrong system for the task. The OS can't make assumptions 
> about "what the ownership/modes of a file should really be, if an application 
> is telling it they should be different".
> This is why more mature FTP daemons allow modes/ownerships to be set on 
> upload.
> 
> The OS already:
> - gives a new file group of the containing directory so it is easy to create 
> "shared files" in a "shared directory"
> - has a default umask that is world readable
> - allows changing a users umask
> 
> The application (sftp) overrides all this and now you're expecting the OS to 
> override that again. Don't think so ;)


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Bill Moran said the following on 2009-04-21 14:41:
> In response to Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net>:
> 
>> Giorgos Keramidas said the following on 2009-04-20 23:59:
>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:54 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello list!
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
>>>>
>>>> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
>>>> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
>>>> without asking.
>>> No, 
>> No, what? does it erase the data or not.
> 
> It depends on exactly what part of the process you're talking about


My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
slice

> and it depends on exactly what you mean by "erase".

Destroy it so it's no longer aviable.

> Geli doesn't explicitly destroy your data at any point in the process.
> However, most HOWTOs I've ready will tell you at some step or another
> to overwrite the partition using dd and /dev/zero, which _does_
> destroy the data.

Yes. That much I do know.

> Also, even if you skip the dd step, geli will alter the partition in
> such a way that typical tools will not see the data.  However, if you
> know your stuff, you can bypass normal tools and still read (part of?)
> the data.

Not good.

> If your question is, "I'm switching a partition to using geli, do I
> need to back up my data before doing so?" the answer is YES!

I do NOT want to backup the data unencrypted.

>> But I want to keep the info on the slice.
> 
> Then you need to copy it elsewhere, then copy it back after the slice
> is encrypted.

Dont have the space for that.


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Christopher Chambers wrote:
> I have found that burning software is unable to detect my cdrom. I would
> assume that this is because acd0 is listed in fstab as read-only. I am
> just a little worried that changing it to rw might wreck a cd (already
> burnt) one day. Since cp or mv to /cdrom won't work, I guess my fear is
> unjustified hey?
>
>
>   
Here is a tutorial about CD-DVD Burning under FreeBSD:

http://www.freebsdonline.com/content/view/535/517/

What burning software you use?



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Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
folders are taking up the most space?


-- 
Christopher Chambers <cchamb0@interchange.ubc.ca>


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Christopher Chambers writes:

>  Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which
>  files and folders are taking up the most space?

	If this isn't a FAQ, then search the mailing list archives.
This question, or something leading to it like "out of disk space",
comes up regularly.


			Robert Huff


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Christopher Chambers wrote:
> Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
> folders are taking up the most space?
>
>
>   
du -hd 1 | sort -n

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=du&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>wrote:

> Christopher Chambers wrote:
>
>> Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
>> folders are taking up the most space?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> du -hd 1 | sort -n


du -kd 1 | sort -rn


Shows in ENV{BLOCKSIZE} the biggest directories first.  Bound to be / always
in this situation.  :D

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 02:42:11AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Bill Moran said the following on 2009-04-21 14:41:
> > In response to Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net>:
> >=20
> >> Giorgos Keramidas said the following on 2009-04-20 23:59:
> >>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:54 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.n=
et> wrote:
> >>>> Hello list!
> >>>>
> >>>> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
> >>>>
> >>>> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> >>>> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
> >>>> without asking.
> >>> No,=20
> >> No, what? does it erase the data or not.
> >=20
> > It depends on exactly what part of the process you're talking about
>=20
>=20
> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> slice

It only uses the last sector to store the metadata. See geli(8).

> > and it depends on exactly what you mean by "erase".
>=20
> Destroy it so it's no longer aviable.
>=20
> > Geli doesn't explicitly destroy your data at any point in the process.
> > However, most HOWTOs I've ready will tell you at some step or another
> > to overwrite the partition using dd and /dev/zero, which _does_
> > destroy the data.
>=20
> Yes. That much I do know.
>=20
> > Also, even if you skip the dd step, geli will alter the partition in
> > such a way that typical tools will not see the data.  However, if you
> > know your stuff, you can bypass normal tools and still read (part of?)
> > the data.
>=20
> Not good.

Hence the advice to overwrite the partition with zeros beforehand.

> > If your question is, "I'm switching a partition to using geli, do I
> > need to back up my data before doing so?" the answer is YES!
>=20
> I do NOT want to backup the data unencrypted.

Then get an encrypted backup. E.g. a disk with a USB connection that you
can encrypt and use it as back-up.

If you want to convert a filesystem in-place, I don't think that's
possible with the current tools. But it might be possible to create a
tool to do that. That tool should do the following:

initialize and attach the geli provider.
(daXs1a is the unencrypted partition)
(N is the number of sectors on that partition)
for k=3D1 to N-1 do
    read sector k from device daXs1a
    write sector k to device daXs1a.eli
done

Note that this is kinda fragile. One botched sector and there will be
trouble. It is also not optimized, because it will also encrypt sectors
that aren't in use in the original filesystem.

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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:47:11 -0400, Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> wrote:
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> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp <sseekamp@risei.net> wrote:
> > > My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that  
> > > configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so  
> > > I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key).
> > > [...]
> > > I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!
> > 
> > I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable
> > in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method
> > usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what
> > is the hardware profile of the PC.
> > 
> > The method works as follows:
> > 
> > First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients.
> > Install and configure everything as you intend.
> > 
> > Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create
> > a simple script that:
> > 	1. initializes the client's hard disk
> > 	2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions
> > 	3. dumps the partition images onto the disks
> > 	4. reboots the machine into operating state.
> > 
> > After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and
> > change settings that need to be changed.
> 
> This works very well. 

I just realize that I missed something: Better than dd, I think
dump & restore are the preferred tools to create the partition
images. When you're done on your "template system", umount its
partitions (in SUM) and use dump to dump them into files. These
files go to the installation DVD and are later on restored onto
the (empty) partitions using the restore command. This will
preserve any permissions and other file properties.



>  I have done essentially the same many times.
> The one thing missing is that you need to have something to set the
> network information -- hostname, IP address, gateway, netmask
> and name-server.    These will be different for each machine.
> So, your script will have to accomodate this - read console
> input for these items and plug them in to the proper places
> before rebooting.

That's correct. I always used a kind of "CHANGE THIS!" items
to do so, or, if none are given, they are automatically created
so the system boots up and runs, but then again, require service
afterwards. This can be made work this way: When the "incomplete"
system is up and running, it mails the distant administrator (or
contacts him in another way) requiring him to finish the settings.
But I think it's the best solution to propmt for these
specific settings at "installation time" (read, when the
restore job is done, the partitions can be mounted -o rw and
the files neccessary to be changed can be created or modified).

The "installation" will then continue and finish.

Of course, the dump & restore method lacks a lot of bling,
blitzen, eye candy, bells and whistles, but it honours the
abstinence to such stuff with speed and easyness of use. But
it's still neccessary to read (and understand) and press a
few keys on the keyboard. :-)



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On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:08:18 -0700, Christopher Chambers <cchamb0@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
> Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
> folders are taking up the most space?

See "man du". Just for terminology: In UNIX (so in FreeBSD), there
are no folders. Folders are made of paper and reside in a cabinet. :-)

These are called directories.

You don't call files "sheets of paper" either, do you? :-)

For a GUI solution, check out file browsers. Most of them have the
ability to calculate the disk space occupation of a certain
directory or subtree. For example, in the Midnight Commander,
use PF9, Command, Show directory sizes.


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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 07:52:38AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:08:18 -0700, Christopher Chambers <cchamb0@interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
> > Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
> > folders are taking up the most space?
> 
> See "man du". Just for terminology: In UNIX (so in FreeBSD), there
> are no folders. Folders are made of paper and reside in a cabinet. :-)
> 
> These are called directories.
> 
> You don't call files "sheets of paper" either, do you? :-)

	YES!! I'm probably too up-tight about the use of "folder",
	but it just seems like waaaaaay too much stupiding-down of the
	std Unix terminology.  ([I thought I was the only one].  And yes,
	there are things of greater gravitas to be ticked off about!)

	gary

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	This is for anybody familiar with the "powerpoint" fmt docs/display,
	and the openoffice.org equivalent, Impress.  I have several dozen of files
	in several directories; each file (php or html--or can be xlated to xml)
	had one or two jpeg graphics.  

	What I would like to experiment with is to see if having my Jottings
	philosophical stuff in slideshow presentation.  My personal philosophy grew
	out of a disagreement with the bureaucrats in my home state (Ohio) who
	asserted that my physical disabilities made it impossible for me to become
	a productive member of society.  Similar bureaucrats in California just a
	few years later took a different slant, and over the years and with plenty
	of sweating over my engineering and comp-sci classwork---and obviously,
	when I started earning my salt---, I noted down a bunch of short pieces 
	that evolved into my "Jottings" thoughts.

	I've tried my best to de-nerd and de-geek this stuff, so that it
	encourages anyone and everyone who feels beat-up on by just-plain-life.
	Since this stuff has gone global, I've had lots of positive feedback.  At
	the same time, back-of-envelope math has convinced me that it wouldn't pay
	to publish this in ink+paper.  So in addition to my jottings.thought.org
	website, have a push-button slideshow might encourage more people to give
	this a read ... or a listen.  If I can find a volunteer to read the stuff.

	I've tried to get firefox3 to show the demo here, but I'm evidently too
	too far out of date.  If there is a way of having OOo-3.01 use the writing
	portion and turn the files into Impress mode, that would be ideal.
	O/wise, it might turn into a sharp learning curve.  In any case, there are
	two questions for this list.  The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
	would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  The
	second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?

	gary


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Can you explain in more detail how to make a CD boot up FreeBSD and run a
script? I haven't find any good resource on google. Alternatively, if you
can provide a link.
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Hello,

Is there some way to cut&paste text between the UNIX desktop (KDE) and
the qemu-0.10.2 VM running XP as a guest system? thx

	matthias
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>>
>> These are called directories.
>>
>> You don't call files "sheets of paper" either, do you? :-)
>
> 	YES!! I'm probably too up-tight about the use of "folder",
> 	but it just seems like waaaaaay too much stupiding-down of the
> 	std Unix terminology.  ([I thought I was the only one].  And yes,
> 	there are things of greater gravitas to be ticked off about!)
>
it's just stupid to pursue windoze/maclame naming where names are ALREADY 
present!

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Scott Seekamp <sseekamp@risei.net> wrote:

> I've done a lot of searching and maybe this capability doesn't exist, but I
> am looking to do this:
>
> I am at my company's HQ, we have a new field office that I am setting up a
> FreeBSD server. The technical knowledge at the site windows only, so I
> basically have someone I can have put a CD in a drive and power a machine
> on.
>
> My problem is that the default install of FreeBSD has password
> authentication turned off, and root SSH disabled. Being a small office, they
> don't have a IP KVM or some way for me to get to the box to configure it.
>
> My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that configured
> all the options I want AND change some base config files so I can actually
> get to the box (or install an SSH key).
>
> I know I can do the scripted sysinstall, but from what I could find I would
> need a floppy or additional CD to put the answer file on.
>
> I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!


All you need is that the guy at the field office knows something about PC
hardware and can type a few commands on any command line. Then there should
be a phone.
FreeBSD is not as silly as Linux when you move a disk from one box to
another. If it is a "server" box (which requires no GUI) then the only
changes you are likely to make are on the network configurations (ifconfig_*
in rc.conf and resolv.conf) and the rest will remain pretty much the same.

What I have done is that I have a prototype, which is a SATA disk. I am
pretty much okay of the next machine I want to install has a SATA disk, but
I am also not worried if it has PATA disk as I know I will only need a
change in /etc/fstab.
So what I normally do is this:

Attach my prototype disk as master on the machine to install, while slaving
the disk that the machine  had.
I enter sysinstall and disklable/newfs the slave disk. I make the disk
bootable, enable softupdates on it and I normally create the root mount
point (/). Once done, I change the mount point again to, say, /newdisk, so
the slave disk is now mounted on /newdisk.
After this:

dump L0af - / | (cd /newdisk/; restore -rf -) # BTW, I have the habit of
creating only / and swap!

So  now I have a duplicate system on the slave disk.

cd /newdisk; ee etc/rc.conf ; ee etc/fstab; ee etc/resol.conf
Here I change the ifconfig_ line for the network device (as seen from
dmesg.boot), ensure that fstab refers to the correct device names and voila!
I save, shutdown, remove my prototype disk, restore the slave disk to master
position and reboot and I have a system identical to the proto. Once
connected to a live network, I can ssh to it from anywhere I want using my
own account and the su to root if needed, though I always prefer sudo.

Now, if only you can follow my way, you only need to ship your prototype
disk to the field office and get the windows lunnie to do the disk
connections, type the commands, etc and you have a server running at the
field office in no time!
Of course tell him to pack your prototype disk safely and return it to you.


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On 22 apr 2009, at 10:01, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl 
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>>>
>>>
>>
> it's just stupid to pursue windoze/maclame naming

It's just stupid to start another flame war about the superiority of  
one or another OS.

Peter

>

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> /etc/fstab is a File System Table used for mounting filesystems. 
> You are a ways off just yet in having a filesystem on acd0 to mount.

You can have a 'live fs' on dvd ram but its a bit laggy ...

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Hi,

I'm on my NAT workstation here (192.168.187.2), behind my FreeBSD pf
firewall (80.X.X.X + 192.168.187.1), and everything works just fine except
this one overseas IP that I just can't seem to reach:

-

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator> ping 91.X.X.X

Pinging 91.X.X.X with 32 bytes of data:

Destination host unreachable.

-

I can reach it just fine from my FreeBSD pf firewall though.

My pf.conf and rc.conf can be found here: http://pastie.org/453644

My NAT workstation's netmask is 255.255.255.0 and that of my FreeBSD pf
firewall is 255.255.255.248.

Thanks!

-- 
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Run the vm with -vnc flag enabled.  Then connect using vncviewer.
Alternatively connect to the XP system using rdesktop.

/Craig B
 
 

On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 10:00 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is there some way to cut&paste text between the UNIX desktop (KDE) and
> the qemu-0.10.2 VM running XP as a guest system? thx
> 
> 	matthias


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Hi,

   when running "freebsd-update fetch" on FreeBSD 6.x I get the error:

Fetching public key...
fetch: http://update.freebsd.org/i386/6.1/pub.key: No address record
Error fetching updates


I've previously had a search around and compared the config file with  
that present by default on FreeBSD 7.x (which works without any  
hacking etc) but I never did work out what is wrong or what should be  
in a good config file. For one thing the directory its looking in for  
the pub.key seems to be hardcoded as "/i386/6.1/" or at least that  
path is not present in my conf file, perhaps its possible to add an  
additional line to the conf file to modify this... Can anyone point me  
in the right direction?

thanks in advance, Andy.

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Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   when running "freebsd-update fetch" on FreeBSD 6.x I get the error:
>
> Fetching public key...
> fetch: http://update.freebsd.org/i386/6.1/pub.key: No address record
> Error fetching updates
>

I've seen the "No address record" in the past in few of my machines. 
The update.freebsd.org address is a pool of addresses actually and AFAIR
there were some problems with  DNS for some people.  I don't recall the
exact cause, but you will get over it by specifying a specific server in
freebsd-update.conf, like update1.freebsd.org

This may not be your only problem though.
>
> I've previously had a search around and compared the config file with
> that present by default on FreeBSD 7.x (which works without any
> hacking etc) but I never did work out what is wrong or what should be
> in a good config file. For one thing the directory its looking in for
> the pub.key seems to be hardcoded as "/i386/6.1/" or at least that
> path is not present in my conf file, perhaps its possible to add an
> additional line to the conf file to modify this... Can anyone point me
> in the right direction?

A quick visit to http://update.freebsd.org does not show this directory
- although this maybe intentional. I suggest you try the server change
and if you connect but still fail to get the key, then go on and hack
the script. I don't have a 6.1 machine around, but freebsd-update is
just a sh script and you should be able to find what's going on.  There
is nothing hardcoded in it, at least in the version distributed with
7.x. In fact I would try running the 7.x version on this system.

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:55:55AM +0100, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>    when running "freebsd-update fetch" on FreeBSD 6.x I get the error:
> 
> Fetching public key...
> fetch: http://update.freebsd.org/i386/6.1/pub.key: No address record
> Error fetching updates

So, you are running FreeBSD 6.1.

> I've previously had a search around and compared the config file with  
> that present by default on FreeBSD 7.x (which works without any  
> hacking etc) but I never did work out what is wrong or what should be  
> in a good config file. For one thing the directory its looking in for  
> the pub.key seems to be hardcoded as "/i386/6.1/" or at least that  
> path is not present in my conf file, perhaps its possible to add an  
> additional line to the conf file to modify this... Can anyone point me  
> in the right direction?

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2008-April/004699.html

RELENG_6_1/RELENG_6_2 is EOL since May 31, 2008 (announced in May 2006!). 
You should have upgraded your system (to RELENG_6_3) before this date!

- Herbert


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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:42:11 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
>Bill Moran said the following on 2009-04-21 14:41:
>>In response to Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net>:
>>>Giorgos Keramidas said the following on 2009-04-20 23:59:
>>>>On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:38:54 +0200, Bernt Hansson <bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hello list!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of makeing a slice encrypted with geli.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
>>>>> slice. The handbook didn't say yes or no, and I don't want to try
>>>>> without asking.
>>>> No,
>>>
>>> No, what? does it erase the data or not.
>>
>> It depends on exactly what part of the process you're talking about
>
> My question is: does geli init -s 4096 /dev/ad* erase the data on the
> slice.

No, but it *does* write in parts of the slice.  In particular, it writes
geli metadata to the last sector of the device.  If this sector happens
to be "in use" by the existing data on the device, you will lose the
data of this particular sector.

The rest of the actual data stored on the rest underlying device is not
affected by the "geli init" command.

>> and it depends on exactly what you mean by "erase".
>
> Destroy it so it's no longer aviable.

No, the actual data will *still* be on the raw device after you run the
initial "geli init" command.  Even _after_ you newfs the new encrypted
device, block allocation algorithms for the filesystem may selectively
write in some parts of the unencrypted device but skip others.  This
means that until you explicitly fill the encrypted device to its full
capacity, it may _still_ be possible to peek under geli and see some of
the previously stored data.  This is precisely why the geli manpage
suggests that you overwrite the full encrypted device with data from
`/dev/random'.

>> If your question is, "I'm switching a partition to using geli, do I
>> need to back up my data before doing so?" the answer is YES!
>
> I do NOT want to backup the data unencrypted.
>
>>> But I want to keep the info on the slice.
>>
>> Then you need to copy it elsewhere, then copy it back after the slice
>> is encrypted.
>
> Dont have the space for that.

If you find the space for a full backup, then you can backup the data in
*encrypted* form too, i.e. by saving two geli keys in a removable device
(a USB flash disk maybe) and then going through two geli devices:

    0.  save two geli keys on a removable device, i.e. key-a and key-b

    1.  geli init the backup device with key-a and geli attach it

    2.  overwrite the backup device with /dev/random data

    3.  newfs and mount the backup device

    4.  dump everything from the original unencrypted device to the
        newly encrypted backup device

    5.  geli init the original device with key-b and attach it

    6.  overwrite the new encrypted device with /dev/random data

    7.  newfs and mount the newly encrypted device

    8.  restore from the encrypted backup device to the new encrypted
        device

    9.  verify that everything works in the newly encrypted device

    10. detach the encrypted backup device and overwrite it with
        /dev/random data once more

All you need is a backup device that is large enough to hold a full
backup of your data and a moderately safe place to store the encryption
keys while you are doing the whole backup and restore dance.



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> I don't have a 6.1 machine around, but freebsd-update
> is just a sh script and you should be able to find what's going on.
> There is nothing hardcoded in it, at least in the version distributed
> with 7.x. In fact I would try running the 7.x version on this system.

I'd definitely be inclined to ensure you're using the more uptodate
Version of freebsd-update...

"As I write this, 'upgrade' support does not yet exist in the version
of FreeBSD Update in the FreeBSD base system, so the next step is to
download the script. If you are running FreeBSD 7.0-RC1 or 
FreeBSD 6.3-RC1 or later, you should already have this new 
version of FreeBSD Update installed, so you can skip this step."

http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2007-11-11-freebsd-major-version-upgrade
.html

Added note: Instructions at above URL worked perfectly for 6.2 > 7.0,
and
Instructions at URL below worked perfectly for 7.0 > 7.1

http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2007-11-10-freebsd-minor-version-upgrade
.html

L8rs!
Marci




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This is undoubtedly a very "newbie" question, but I have seen this type of
error
a few times recently:

pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/directory.name'
pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is
incorrectly specified?)

It occurs at the end of a "deinstall" as a matter of updating a port "by
hand".

What is the proper procedure to correct this? Run "pkgdb -F"? Rm the
offending files/dirs by hand? Both?

The updated packages seem to run okay afterward if I ignore these errors;
however, I am certain that they
are really just swept under the carpet for the time being and will reemerge
in the future (at a moment of maximum inconvenience no doubt).

Also, is "make deinstall" the same as "uninstall"?

Sorry, I guess I had two newbie questions.

Thanks for your help.

Richard

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> What version of FreeBSD are you using? There was a problem with certain
> USB devices in the 6.x branch with timing out.

What would the symptoms of this timing out be? what I'm seeing is
pretty instantaneous. In fact, printing to lpr instead of cups (with
cups disabled), I usually can't catch the job in the print spool
folder (because I can't hit the up arrow twice fast enough to pull it
out of my history before it thinks it has finished printing).

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 08:08:18PM -0700, Christopher Chambers wrote:

> Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which files and
> folders are taking up the most space?

Check out the du(1) command.

Go in to a file system and type du -sk *   or  maybe  du -sh * 
(I prefer the former because then all numbers have the same value)

Once you determine some directory that seems out of line, go in to that
directory and do it again.

////jerry


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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 07:47:43AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:47:11 -0400, Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:42:32 -0600, Scott Seekamp <sseekamp@risei.net> wrote:
> > > > My hope was that I could make an automated install CD/DVD that  
> > > > configured all the options I want AND change some base config files so  
> > > > I can actually get to the box (or install an SSH key).
> > > > [...]
> > > > I'm open to other options if someone has gone down this road before!
> > > 
> > > I'd like to advertize a method that I think is very comfortable
> > > in such a setting. It's worth mentioning that this method
> > > usually requires (a) modern enough PCs or (b) you to know what
> > > is the hardware profile of the PC.
> > > 
> > > The method works as follows:
> > > 
> > > First create a FreeBSD as you want it to be on the clients.
> > > Install and configure everything as you intend.
> > > 
> > > Then dump the created partitions onto a CD or DVD and create
> > > a simple script that:
> > > 	1. initializes the client's hard disk
> > > 	2. slices the disk and newfses the partitions
> > > 	3. dumps the partition images onto the disks
> > > 	4. reboots the machine into operating state.
> > > 
> > > After this, you should be able to SSH into the client and
> > > change settings that need to be changed.
> > 
> > This works very well. 
> 
> I just realize that I missed something: Better than dd, I think
> dump & restore are the preferred tools to create the partition
> images. When you're done on your "template system", umount its
> partitions (in SUM) and use dump to dump them into files. These
> files go to the installation DVD and are later on restored onto
> the (empty) partitions using the restore command. This will
> preserve any permissions and other file properties.
> 
> 
> 
> >  I have done essentially the same many times.
> > The one thing missing is that you need to have something to set the
> > network information -- hostname, IP address, gateway, netmask
> > and name-server.    These will be different for each machine.
> > So, your script will have to accomodate this - read console
> > input for these items and plug them in to the proper places
> > before rebooting.
> 
> That's correct. I always used a kind of "CHANGE THIS!" items
> to do so, or, if none are given, they are automatically created
> so the system boots up and runs, but then again, require service
> afterwards. This can be made work this way: When the "incomplete"
> system is up and running, it mails the distant administrator (or
> contacts him in another way) requiring him to finish the settings.
> But I think it's the best solution to propmt for these
> specific settings at "installation time" (read, when the
> restore job is done, the partitions can be mounted -o rw and
> the files neccessary to be changed can be created or modified).
> 
> The "installation" will then continue and finish.
> 
> Of course, the dump & restore method lacks a lot of bling,
> blitzen, eye candy, bells and whistles, but it honours the
> abstinence to such stuff with speed and easyness of use. But
> it's still neccessary to read (and understand) and press a
> few keys on the keyboard. :-)

the dump/restore method's best and biggest bling and bell and whistle
is that it works correctly and is the most straight forward and easy.

////jerry


> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Polytropon
> From Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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> What kind of printing do you need to do?

For the moment there are two things:
1. Create .pdf files from HTML/XHTML documents viewed in Firefox or
   Opera
2. Print HTML/XHTML documents viewed in Firefox or Opera to a
   printer.

> To send files to some either attached or network attached printer,
> you just need to:
> 
>   set up an entry in  /etc/printcap  
>       for a printer named myprt,  make something like: 
>     
>     lp|myprt|HP OfficeJet 4110 N:\
>           :lp=:rp=myprt:rm=myprt.prt.full.hostname:\
>           :sh:mx#0:\
>           :sd=/var/spool/myprt:\
>           :lf=/var/log/printer.log:
>     (Of course, change myprt.prt.full.hostname to a real address)

I have this:
lp|OfficeJet:\
	:lp=/dev/ulpt0:\
	:af=/usr/local/share/ppd/HP//HP-OfficeJet_4110-hpijs.ppd.gz:\
	:if=/usr/local/bin/foomatic-rip:\
	:sd=/var/spool/print.hp:\
	:lf=/var/log/print.hp.log:\
	:sh:

>   create a spool directory for it in /var/spool 
>         (eg for a printer named myprt in printcap, 
>          create a /var/spool/myprt directory 

created directory /var/spool/print.hp

>   create an empty log file for it
>      touch /var/log/printer.log

touched /var/log/print.hp.log

>   then enable lpd in /etc/rc.conf -  lpd_enable="YES"

added this

> This sets up a 'standard' printer destination (named lp)
> Then you can print using lpr(1)

I can send files to the print spool this way, but then they just
disappear from the print spool. There is no evidence of attempted
communication with the printer, and certainly no printing going on.

> Some utilities want to use cups and other heavy stuff, but
> just for regular printing - of a file or from firefox or openoffice, etc
> you don't need that.

Never used OpenOffice...

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:16:22 -0500
Richard DeLaurell <richard.delaurell@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is undoubtedly a very "newbie" question, but I have seen this
>type of error
>a few times recently:
>
>pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/directory.name'
>pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list
>is incorrectly specified?)
>
>It occurs at the end of a "deinstall" as a matter of updating a port
>"by hand".
>
>What is the proper procedure to correct this? Run "pkgdb -F"? Rm the
>offending files/dirs by hand? Both?
>
>The updated packages seem to run okay afterward if I ignore these
>errors; however, I am certain that they
>are really just swept under the carpet for the time being and will
>reemerge in the future (at a moment of maximum inconvenience no doubt).
>
>Also, is "make deinstall" the same as "uninstall"?

First, there is a good chance that the 'pkg-plist' file is not correct.
It is usually harmless, however. You can usually just do a:

	make deinstall reinstall distclean

Prior to updating, running 'pkgdb -Ffuv' is usually a safe concept. If
there are any problems, they will usually become self evident.

What port are you referencing? I assume 'by hands' means that you are
not using a port tool to manage updating a specific port. Is that
correct?

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On Apr 21, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Robert Huff wrote:

>
> Christopher Chambers writes:
>
>> Is there an easy way to analyze disk usage to determine which
>> files and folders are taking up the most space?
>
> 	If this isn't a FAQ, then search the mailing list archives.
> This question, or something leading to it like "out of disk space",
> comes up regularly.
>
>
> 			Robert Huff


I used to run durep on my shared servers. The package seems a bit out  
of date and I have often considered adopting it as a pet project to  
rewrite/update, but time, time and time always seem to be an issue.  
You can read more about the application. It generates a comprehensive  
report that can be automatically emailed, or viewed via the web.

	http://www.hibernaculum.net/durep/

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> What port are you referencing?


The error has occurred with a few recently; the latest was compiz
yesterday.  I was going from 0.6.2_2 to 0.7.8_1--sorry, I did not save the
exact output of the error.

The new compiz ran okay until I logged out my x-session and then tried to
log back in.  X froze before getting to the black screen and I had to
restart the system.

I deinstalled compiz and startx ran normally again.

I am wondering if those directories/files which could not be completely
removed might be the cause of the freeze?


> I assume 'by hands' means that you are
> not using a port tool to manage updating a specific port. Is that
> correct?


Yes, I meant to say that I cd into the given /usr/ports/ directory and run
make from there.

Thanks for your help.

Richard

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> pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is
> incorrectly specified?)
>
> It occurs at the end of a "deinstall" as a matter of updating a port "by
> hand".
>
> What is the proper procedure to correct this? Run "pkgdb -F"? Rm the
> offending files/dirs by hand? Both?

check what wasn't deleted from the directory any why.

then delete it.

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Richard DeLaurell wrote:

> This is undoubtedly a very "newbie" question, but I have seen this type of
> error a few times recently:
>
> pkg_delete: unable to completely remove directory '/directory.name'
> pkg_delete: couldn't entirely delete package (perhaps the packing list is
> incorrectly specified?)

This is more-or-less normal, especially if the application was ever used
before being deinstalled.  This is often the result of configuration
files being altered --- which you might had done knowingly with an editor
or which might have been done by the application itself when you ran it.
If you used an editor, you might have left an artifact, like an editor
backup in the directory.

Generally it is a good thing.  Many times the configuration will not change
in any fatal way, so you can run on the old configuration file until you
go through the new distribution configuration to see what, if anything, has
changed and what needs updating.  Even if the old configuration won't work,
you are likely to want it handy as you edit the new configuration file,
because there is no point in reinventing the wheel on things that haven't
changed.  At any rate, deinstall is doing the right thing when it doesn't
delete stuff that it can't identify positively as stuff that was installed.

> It occurs at the end of a "deinstall" as a matter of updating a port "by
> hand".
>
> What is the proper procedure to correct this? Run "pkgdb -F"? Rm the
> offending files/dirs by hand? Both?

If you really want to do this, you have to remove the files/directories by
hand.  So far as the pkgdb is concerned, there won't be anything wrong
whether you do it or not.

> The updated packages seem to run okay afterward if I ignore these errors;
> however, I am certain that they are really just swept under the carpet for
> the time being and will reemerge in the future (at a moment of maximum
> inconvenience no doubt).

The only downside here is that you may accumulate a bit of kruft in
application directories --- generally no concern given modern drive sizes.
But as I have said, some of that kruft may be helpful at times.  If you have
like a tidiness thing, I'd suggest you not delete the kruft but move it to
some backup directory and let it gather dust.

Very rarely there is a major shake-up in which it does matter --- such as
when xorg moved.  In those cases there should be a heads-up in UPDATING.

> Also, is "make deinstall" the same as "uninstall"?

I could be wrong because I never use anything other than 'make deinstall'
but I don't find an 'uninstall' target in the port makefiles.  A few
applications have a uninstall command, and that is not the same thing.
IOW, I don't know.


-- 
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Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> 	In any case, there are
> 	two questions for this list.  
> 	The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> 	would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.

> 	The
> 	second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
probably are better forums.

Greetings,

Uli.
> 	gary
> 
> 

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On 4/20/09 3:06 PM, "Matthew Seaman" <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>
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> Many ports will shut down a running instance of themselves when upgraded
> like this specifically to avoid the sort of complications that can occur
> when the running image does not match what is on disk.
> 
> mysql does, apache doesn't.
> 
> So upgrade mysql-server last thing before you reboot.  Although I know you're
> not using portupgrade, this snippet from pkgtools.conf has been a blessing in
> minimizing outage lengths during updates on live servers:
> 
>   AFTERINSTALL = {
>     '*' => proc { |origin|
>        cmd_start_rc(origin)
>     },
>   }
> 
> Of couse, the best course of action is to plan sufficient downtime that you
> can do the upgrades comfortably plus recover from any number of ways things
> might go wrong, but sometimes that simply isn't possible.

i went through the process with portmaster on a test machine. it's exactly
as you describe. the old apache keeps running. mysql runs throughout the
build until the install, when it stops.

a down and dirty way could be to just enter these three commands all at
once: 

portmaster -agbtvwuD -x mysql\-server
portmaster -gbtvwuD mysql\-server
mysqld_safe &

i could test the exit code of portmaster on the second and third lines and
abandon if !=0 but i'm not sure it would add much.

watching the process is very dreary. i found listening to an audio book
helped.


by the by, on my test machine i ended up with python installed. seems to be
because i needed php5-gd which now depends on python. all for some simple
freetype2 calls. 



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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Ulrich Kruppa
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> Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> >       In any case, there are
> >       two questions for this list.
> >       The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> >       would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?
> Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
> your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
>
> >       The
> >       second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
> I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
> kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
> probably are better forums.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Uli.
> >       gary
> >
>

It is very difficult to convey concepts or ideas with any complexity with
slides alone.  Usually, slides should accompany and complement a
presentation.

If the document must stand alone (no speech, etc), and the content is of any
complexity, I would advise not using slides.

For anyone using slides, I recommend the following book by Garr Reynolds:
"Presentation Zen: Simple Ideas on Presentation Design and Delivery"


Best regards,

Andrew

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why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end  
the commercial userinterface????

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Is autofs built by default?

pauls@utd65257# uname -r
7.1-STABLE

Or do I need to do something special to build it?

Can I build it independently?  Or do I need to rebuild my kernel?

If it isn't implemented by default, how do I make it the default when I rebuild 
the kernel?

I can't find any man pages on it, and googling doesn't show any howtos that 
would walk me through it

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he smoked too much

> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end the 
> commercial userinterface????
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2009/4/13 firmdog@gmail.com <firmdog@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> After installing Freebsd 7.1 with this as my uname -a:
> 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0
>
> And then updating the ports, and doing the following:
>
> pkg_add -r xorg
> pkg_add -r blackbox
> pkg_add -r firefox3
>
> I can start blackbox fine, but when I try to launch, say, firefox I get
> this:
>
> /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so.2: Undefined symbol
> "pixman_region32_init"
>
> Any ideas? =A0I have no clue, and searching the web turns up nothing.

Try installing Firefox from ports (compiling from source). Does that
throw up an error?

Chris




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firmdog@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After installing Freebsd 7.1 with this as my uname -a:
> 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0
>   
That could be a problem.  That should read something like:

7.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #3

You might try updating to 7.1 release or if you're tracking STABLE 
update to that.  Then uname will show something like:

7.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE #3

AFAIK, the firefox3 pkg is built against 7.1R so that may be related to 
your problem.



-- 
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Thanks....I will upgrade.  But in the meantime I reinstalled the cairo and
pixman ports
and now I can launch applications like firefox and thunderbird.  All good
now!

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Adam Vandemore <amvandemore@gmail.com>wrote:

> firmdog@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> After installing Freebsd 7.1 with this as my uname -a:
>> 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0
>>
>>
> That could be a problem.  That should read something like:
>
> 7.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #3
>
> You might try updating to 7.1 release or if you're tracking STABLE update
> to that.  Then uname will show something like:
>
> 7.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE #3
>
> AFAIK, the firefox3 pkg is built against 7.1R so that may be related to
> your problem.
>
>
>
> --
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> (605) 498-1610
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Arjen Simon Scheer
<a.s.scheer@casema.nl>wrote:

> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end the
> commercial userinterface????
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Because commercial entities are too busy switching from Linux to FreeBSD?

;-)

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I am having quite the issue with a cvsup-mirror install (1.3_8) here.  It
seems to be keeping some meta information file somewhere and has FAILED to
give me a local mirror (not one to be publicly available) yet.


Being the stubborn person I am, I have multiple times cleared some and all
of the following to try to resolve the problem...

/usr/local/etc/cvsup
the package itself
/home/ncvs
/home/cvsupin
/usr/ports/ports/net/cvsup-mirror



And each time it takes ~5 hours to download 1.5GB of data in /home/ncvs then
a client connecting to itself fails to work.  Latest problem is

-- Quote
Server warning: Cannot open
"/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD.cvs/src/gnu/lib/libgmp/mpz/get_si.c,v":
No such file or directory
Server warning: Cannot open
"/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD.cvs/src/gnu/lib/libgmp/mpz/get_str.c,v":
No such file or directory
Server warning: Cannot open
"/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD.cvs/src/gnu/lib/libgmp/mpz/get_ui.c,v":
No such file or directory
Server warning: Cannot open
"/usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/FreeBSD.cvs/src/gnu/lib/libgmp/mpz/getlimbn.c,v":
No such file or directory
-- /Quote

It's just a snippet..  It can't find ANYTHING.

Other problems included the inability to even select the src-all/cvs or
ports-all/cvs (trees? branches?) in the server, yet it has 1.5GB downloaded.

What'd help me to learn what's wrong is the line in config.sh as below:
distribs="distrib.self .. . FreeBSD.cvs /home/ncvs . FreeBSD-www.current
SKIP . FreeBSD-gnats.current SKIP gnats FreeBSD-mail.current SKIP ."

My guess is it names a distribution and puts a directory it stores the files
into in the next argument, separated by space.  Next distribution is named
and it's directory it stores the files into as the next one past that, with
all distributions separated by a single period.

Then the word 'gnats' throws me off because I .....  don't know what the
heck it's there for..  is the '.' an alias instead to the first item in the
line, meaning it's a tuple?
(distrib storedir alias)...



What throws me off is that the /usr/local/etc/cvsup directory was tarred up
from a working mirror and copied here and let the update.sh run for 5 hours,
to come to the above quoted warnings (but I'm treating them as errors).  The
working system has about 4GB in /home/ncvs that works for me, but this one
can't get past 1.5GB.  Working system has been working beautifully for
several months (6?)..  so maybe it's just collective.


I really would like to get a bearing on cvsup-mirror, but have no clue what
to google or read to find out some of the troubleshooting guides.



--Tim

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I've just upgraded my laptop from 7-STABLE (pre-7.2) to 7.2-PRERELEASE. Now I'm getting GEOM_LABEL messages during boot at fsck -p:

GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.

I wasn't getting the label removed messages prior to the update. Any ideas what this is about, and whether I should be worried? Everything seems to work normally otherwise.

Thanks,


Peter Harrison.

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Am running 6.4-PRERELEASE.

Received FreeBSD-SA-09:07.libc / FreeBSD-SA-09:08.openssl notifications today, 
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However, now when anyone attempts to connect to my server via SSH, the 
connection is closed after they enter their login & password.

/var/log/messages says the following when they try to login:

Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: fatal: openpty returns device for which ttyname 
fails.
Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chown  0 0 failed: No such file or 
directory
Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chmod  0666 failed: No such file or 
directory

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Am running 6.4-PRERELEASE.

Received FreeBSD-SA-09:07.libc / FreeBSD-SA-09:08.openssl notifications 
today, applied applicable patches correctly.

However, now when anyone attempts to connect to my server via SSH, the 
connection is closed after they enter their login & password.

/var/log/messages says the following when they try to login:

Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: fatal: openpty returns device for which 
ttyname fails.
Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chown  0 0 failed: No such file or 
directory
Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chmod  0666 failed: No such file or 
directory

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Peter Harrison wrote:
> I've just upgraded my laptop from 7-STABLE (pre-7.2) to 7.2-PRERELEASE. Now I'm getting GEOM_LABEL messages during boot at fsck -p:
>
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
> GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.
>
> I wasn't getting the label removed messages prior to the update. Any ideas what this is about, and whether I should be worried? Everything seems to work normally otherwise.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Peter Harrison.
> _______________________________________________
>   
happened on my upgrade too, I noticed an update to geom(label?) while 
csup'n so I imagine that would give you an idea as to the exact change 
which caused the behavior.  I haven't noticed any other changes other 
than a more verbose startup.

-- 
Adam Vandemore
Systems Administrator
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote:

> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end  
> the commercial userinterface????

Good question.   
Maybe you should ask them.

Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix
Email list.   It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating
system.  It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.    Although it covers 
some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it.   

So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you 
can ask them your question.   Probably they will know more.

As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation
and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core
group elected every two years.   (something like that, I may be off
on the election cycle details)

On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother
with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine.   
   
////jerry



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Figured it out.

The libc patch instructions don't tell you to rebuild libutil. You need to 
do that.


On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Jake Evans wrote:

> Am running 6.4-PRERELEASE.
>
> Received FreeBSD-SA-09:07.libc / FreeBSD-SA-09:08.openssl notifications 
> today, applied applicable patches correctly.
>
> However, now when anyone attempts to connect to my server via SSH, the 
> connection is closed after they enter their login & password.
>
> /var/log/messages says the following when they try to login:
>
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: fatal: openpty returns device for which 
> ttyname fails.
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chown  0 0 failed: No such file or 
> directory
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chmod  0666 failed: No such file or 
> directory
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:05 PM, andrew clarke wrote:

> On Wed 2009-04-22 10:46:14 UTC-0400, Mikel King (mikel.king@olivent.com 
> ) wrote:
>
>> I used to run durep on my shared servers.
>
> durep seems to have no concept of security :-)  So how did you go  
> about
> restricting unwanted people from viewing its output?
>
> Regards
> Andrew

When we ran it initially we used .htaccess, then rolled it into a php  
app.

m


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On Apr 22, 2009, at 3:13 PM, andrew clarke wrote:

> On Thu 2009-04-23 05:05:25 UTC+1000, andrew clarke  
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>> durep seems to have no concept of security :-)  So how did you go  
>> about
>> restricting unwanted people from viewing its output?
>
> I'm referring to the CGI version of durep here, of course.


We didn't run the CGI version. Only used it as a scheduled task, to  
generate the report once or twice per day. 


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On Thu 2009-04-23 05:05:25 UTC+1000, andrew clarke (mail@ozzmosis.com) wrote:

> durep seems to have no concept of security :-)  So how did you go about
> restricting unwanted people from viewing its output?

I'm referring to the CGI version of durep here, of course.

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Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 13:26:37 -0500, Adam Vandemore said:
> Peter Harrison wrote:
> >I've just upgraded my laptop from 7-STABLE (pre-7.2) to 7.2-PRERELEASE. 
> >Now I'm getting GEOM_LABEL messages during boot at fsck -p:
> >
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
> >Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s4a
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4a is ufsid/47512fd69af66806.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4e is ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4f is ufsid/47512fd73aadb886.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad0s4d is ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd69af66806 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd7a48e0465 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd73aadb886 removed.
> >GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/47512fd8e911c63d removed.
> >
> >I wasn't getting the label removed messages prior to the update. Any ideas 
> >what this is about, and whether I should be worried? Everything seems to 
> >work normally otherwise.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> >Peter Harrison.
> >_______________________________________________
> >  
> happened on my upgrade too, I noticed an update to geom(label?) while 
> csup'n so I imagine that would give you an idea as to the exact change 
> which caused the behavior.  I haven't noticed any other changes other 
> than a more verbose startup.

Thanks for this.

I'm a bit of a noob at this, so can anyone point me at the appropriate source file or commit message to look at for the detail?

Thanks again.


Peter Harrison.

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I'm having trouble getting wireless to work on my FreeBSD laptop.

I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. My wireless device is Intel
PRO/Wireless 2200BG.

After typing "ifconfig iwi0", I get the following:

iwi0: flags=8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
        ether 00:16:6f:91:d5:58
        media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
        status: no carrier
        ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
        authmode WPA1+WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF bmiss 10
        scanvalid 60 bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7
        roam:rate11b 1 roaming MANUAL bintval 0

Now I (repeatedly) receive the following error messages in my xconsole:

firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
iwi0: could not load firmware

My /etc/rc.conf contains:

ifconfig_iwi0="WPA DHCP"

My /boot/loader.conf contains:

wlan_scan_ap_load="YES"
wlan_scan_sta_load="YES"
wlan_wep_load="YES"
wlan_tkip_load="YES"
wlan_ccmp_load="YES"

After typing "kldstat", I receive the following (note that iwi_bss.ko exists):

Id Refs Address    Size     Name
 1   18 0xc0400000 97f830   kernel
 2    1 0xc0d80000 6a2c4    acpi.ko
 3    1 0xc3e3c000 22000    linux.ko
 4    1 0xc408f000 6000     i915.ko
 5    1 0xc40a2000 f000     drm.ko
 6    1 0xc4280000 f000     if_iwi.ko
 7    1 0xc42ae000 30000    iwi_bss.ko

Please help me figure this out. I've been trying to get wireless to work
for 3 days now, and I've searched and searched for a solution. Let me
know if you need more information.

Thanks,
Daniel

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On Wed 2009-04-22 10:46:14 UTC-0400, Mikel King (mikel.king@olivent.com) wrote:

> I used to run durep on my shared servers.

durep seems to have no concept of security :-)  So how did you go about
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On 4/22/09 12:10 PM, "Arjen Simon Scheer" <a.s.scheer@casema.nl> wrote:

> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel end
> the commercial userinterface????

isn't that OSDL?



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Greetings..!

this works,

tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | nawk '/192.168.1.100/{ print $0 }'

and this too:

 tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ { system
("mail -s \"This works\" me@email.address")}'

but this below, does not work

 tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ {  print
$0 | "mail me@email.address  "}'

Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Thx.

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Hi,

As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
a modern installer for FreeBSD?

I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
I miss something?

Thanks

Fritz Kolberg

Phoenix, AZ

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Daniel Underwood skrev:
> I'm having trouble getting wireless to work on my FreeBSD laptop.
> 
> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. My wireless device is Intel
> PRO/Wireless 2200BG.
> 
> After typing "ifconfig iwi0", I get the following:
> 
> iwi0: flags=8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
>         ether 00:16:6f:91:d5:58
>         media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
>         status: no carrier
>         ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
>         authmode WPA1+WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF bmiss 10
>         scanvalid 60 bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7
>         roam:rate11b 1 roaming MANUAL bintval 0
> 
> Now I (repeatedly) receive the following error messages in my xconsole:
> 
> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
> iwi0: could not load firmware
> 
> My /etc/rc.conf contains:
> 
> ifconfig_iwi0="WPA DHCP"
> 
> My /boot/loader.conf contains:
> 
> wlan_scan_ap_load="YES"
> wlan_scan_sta_load="YES"
> wlan_wep_load="YES"
> wlan_tkip_load="YES"
> wlan_ccmp_load="YES"
> 
> After typing "kldstat", I receive the following (note that iwi_bss.ko exists):
> 
> Id Refs Address    Size     Name
>  1   18 0xc0400000 97f830   kernel
>  2    1 0xc0d80000 6a2c4    acpi.ko
>  3    1 0xc3e3c000 22000    linux.ko
>  4    1 0xc408f000 6000     i915.ko
>  5    1 0xc40a2000 f000     drm.ko
>  6    1 0xc4280000 f000     if_iwi.ko
>  7    1 0xc42ae000 30000    iwi_bss.ko
> 
> Please help me figure this out. I've been trying to get wireless to work
> for 3 days now, and I've searched and searched for a solution. Let me
> know if you need more information.
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
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Have you created a wpa_supplicant.conf file

http://www.se.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.html

/Leslie


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> As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
> me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?

what is missing in current to make anything else?
if you have some ideas about extending it - just tell, and even better - 
send a patch

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On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As a big fan (and paying subscriber)

Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid  
subscription model...?

> ...of FreeBSD it pains me to ask this question:  When are you going  
> to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
>
> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> I miss something?

If you're asking for an installer which requires bitmapped graphics  
and won't work over a serial terminal or the like, well, I hope the  
answer is never.  Some people have tried before and/or might still be  
working on a replacement, but thus far, nobody has written one which  
is widely regarded as better than sysinstall.

You might find this interesting to read:

   http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt

Regards,
--
-Chuck


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You might want to look at ``swatch'' which is designed to do
this, and monitors multiple log files simultaneously.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009, Evuraan::????????????????????????  wrote:
>Greetings..!
>
>this works,
>
>tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | nawk '/192.168.1.100/{ print $0 }'
>
>and this too:
>
> tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ { system
>("mail -s \"This works\" me@email.address")}'
>
>but this below, does not work
>
> tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ {  print
>$0 | "mail me@email.address  "}'
>
>Any pointers would be much appreciated.
>
>Thx.
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Fritz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
> me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
> 
> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> I miss something?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Fritz Kolberg
> 
> Phoenix, AZ

Hi Fritz,

The finstall project aimed to do that, but it appears that the project
is on hold at the moment:

http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html

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Greg
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nevermind, i got it to work, with a little help from
http://student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk_sys.txt,

tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | awk '/192.168.1.100/
{system("echo " $0 "| mailx -s test_email me@email.com" ) }'

thx..!

2009/4/22 Bill Campbell <freebsd@celestial.com>:
> You might want to look at ``swatch'' which is designed to do
> this, and monitors multiple log files simultaneously.
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009, Evuraan::???????????????????????? =C2=A0wrote:
>>Greetings..!
>>
>>this works,
>>
>>tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | nawk '/192.168.1.100/{ print $0 }'
>>
>>and this too:
>>
>> tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ { system
>>("mail -s \"This works\" me@email.address")}'
>>
>>but this below, does not work
>>
>> tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ { =C2=A0print
>>$0 | "mail me@email.address =C2=A0"}'
>>
>>Any pointers would be much appreciated.
>>
>>Thx.
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In response to Fritz <fkolberg@q.com>:
> 
> As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
> me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
> 
> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> I miss something?

This topic has been brought up time and again.

The general consensus is that if you need a fancy installer, use
something like PC-BSD.

There are a lot of advantages to FreeBSD's text installer ... for one,
it works over a serial console.  Any new installer would have to
keep those advantages.

It's also easier to maintain than a graphical installer.

The general consensus every time this question comes up is that it
could be improved, but it's currently "good enough" and there are
other improvements that people think are more important.  With a
limited number of developer hours available, something gets
back-burnered.

The idea of a better installer has yet to meet with any resistance,
though.  It's just a lack of available time, so if you've got time
and you're volunteering, I say go for it!

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Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As a big fan (and paying subscriber)
>
> Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid 
> subscription model...?
Indeed, I fear my dues may be late. 
>
>> ...of FreeBSD it pains me to ask this question:  When are you going 
>> to build
>> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
>>
>> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
>> I miss something?
>
> If you're asking for an installer which requires bitmapped graphics 
> and won't work over a serial terminal or the like, well, I hope the 
> answer is never.  Some people have tried before and/or might still be 
> working on a replacement, but thus far, nobody has written one which 
> is widely regarded as better than sysinstall.
Once upon time, there was a Summer of Code projects set to develop a 
graphical installer for FBSD 7.x.  I don't know what happened to it, but 
also agree there is no need for such a thing.  Sysinstall may appear 
intimidating but it's really quite easy to use once you're used to it.



-- 
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Yes, and my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf contains the following (actual
psk not shown):

ctrl_interface=3D/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ap_scan=3D1

network=3D{
  ssid=3D"neuralnet"
  psk=3D"..."
}


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Leslie Jensen <leslie@eskk.nu> wrote:
>
> Daniel Underwood skrev:
>>
>> I'm having trouble getting wireless to work on my FreeBSD laptop.
>>
>> I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. My wireless device is Intel
>> PRO/Wireless 2200BG.
>>
>> After typing "ifconfig iwi0", I get the following:
>>
>> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:16:6f:91:d5:58
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode WPA1+WPA2/802.11i privacy ON deftxkey UNDEF bmis=
s 10
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0scanvalid 60 bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:r=
ssi11b 7
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0roam:rate11b 1 roaming MANUAL bintval 0
>>
>> Now I (repeatedly) receive the following error messages in my xconsole:
>>
>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>> iwi0: could not load firmware
>>
>> My /etc/rc.conf contains:
>>
>> ifconfig_iwi0=3D"WPA DHCP"
>>
>> My /boot/loader.conf contains:
>>
>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>
>> After typing "kldstat", I receive the following (note that iwi_bss.ko
>> exists):
>>
>> Id Refs Address =A0 =A0Size =A0 =A0 Name
>> =A01 =A0 18 0xc0400000 97f830 =A0 kernel
>> =A02 =A0 =A01 0xc0d80000 6a2c4 =A0 =A0acpi.ko
>> =A03 =A0 =A01 0xc3e3c000 22000 =A0 =A0linux.ko
>> =A04 =A0 =A01 0xc408f000 6000 =A0 =A0 i915.ko
>> =A05 =A0 =A01 0xc40a2000 f000 =A0 =A0 drm.ko
>> =A06 =A0 =A01 0xc4280000 f000 =A0 =A0 if_iwi.ko
>> =A07 =A0 =A01 0xc42ae000 30000 =A0 =A0iwi_bss.ko
>>
>> Please help me figure this out. I've been trying to get wireless to work
>> for 3 days now, and I've searched and searched for a solution. Let me
>> know if you need more information.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Have you created a wpa_supplicant.conf file
>
> http://www.se.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wire=
less.html
>
> /Leslie
>
>

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It would probably help if you state what you mean with "modern".

Jerone

Fritz schreef:
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>
> As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
> me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
>
> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> I miss something?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fritz Kolberg
>
> Phoenix, AZ
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Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:04:09 -0400,
Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:

> My /boot/loader.conf contains:
> 
> wlan_scan_ap_load="YES"
> wlan_scan_sta_load="YES"
> wlan_wep_load="YES"
> wlan_tkip_load="YES"
> wlan_ccmp_load="YES"

I do not use iwi anymore, but in the past you had to agree the firmware
license. With a "legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1" in bootloader.conf

See man iwi.

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After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:

"This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
need to obtain iwicontrol(8)  from the IWI web page listed below to
accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8)  will work."

I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
you think so?

Daniel

2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:04:09 -0400,
> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>
>> My /boot/loader.conf contains:
>>
>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>
> I do not use iwi anymore, but in the past you had to agree the firmware
> license. With a "legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1" in bootloader.conf
>
> See man iwi.
>

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>> as better than sysinstall.
> Once upon time, there was a Summer of Code projects set to develop a 
> graphical installer for FBSD 7.x.  I don't know what happened to it, but also 
> agree there is no need for such a thing.  Sysinstall may appear intimidating 
> but it's really quite easy to use once you're used to it.

i don't understand WHY something has to be better just because it's 
working in graphics mode.

it doesn't make sense.

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Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:

> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
> 
> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
> need to obtain iwicontrol(8)  from the IWI web page listed below to
> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8)  will work."
> 
> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
> you think so?

No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
FreeBSD < 7

You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
using the right manual page for 7.1:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=iwi&manpath=FreeBSD+7.1-RELEASE&format=html

Regards.

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> IMHO numbers and letters look the same in the scary dark place, a TUI,
> or GUI.  Better device detection, faster, more packages, etc. would all
> be "better" and should be more of a priority than making a GUI

exactly. GUI don't need to have any priority, it's just don't needed AT 
ALL.

if fancy cool graphics is important - why using FreeBSD at all?

there are lot of other products both free and commercial that concentrates 
on it. not only installer - everything else too :)

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> Chuck Swiger wrote:
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote:
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>>> As a big fan (and paying subscriber)
>>
>> Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid 
>> subscription model...?
> Indeed, I fear my dues may be late.

I suspect the OP has mingled the FreeBSD Project with FreeBSD Mall in 
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Dear OP:  They're not the same organization, though to the best of my 
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
McAllister
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:42 PM
To: Arjen Simon Scheer
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote:

> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel
end=20=20
> the commercial userinterface????

Good question.=20=20=20
Maybe you should ask them.

Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix
Email list.   It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating
system.  It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.    Although it
covers=20
some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it.=20=20=
=20

So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you=20
can ask them your question.   Probably they will know more.

As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation
and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core
group elected every two years.   (something like that, I may be off
on the election cycle details)

On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother
with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine.=20=20=20
=20=20=20
////jerry



LMAO!  Touche!  So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here
about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al?  Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway?
;-)





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Thanks Patrick.  After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:

legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"

I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
following in the xconsole:

iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting

Any idea what that means, or what state4 is?  (Sorry, I'm very new to FreeB=
SD.)

Thanks,
Daniel

2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>
>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>
>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below to
>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>
>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>> you think so?
>
> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
> FreeBSD < 7
>
> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
> using the right manual page for 7.1:
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-RELE=
ASE&format=3Dhtml
>
> Regards.
>

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>> as better than sysinstall.
> Once upon time, there was a Summer of Code projects set to develop a=20
> graphical installer for FBSD 7.x.  I don't know what happened to it,
but also=20
> agree there is no need for such a thing.  Sysinstall may appear
intimidating=20
> but it's really quite easy to use once you're used to it.

i don't understand WHY something has to be better just because it's=20
working in graphics mode.

it doesn't make sense.

IMHO numbers and letters look the same in the scary dark place, a TUI,
or GUI.  Better device detection, faster, more packages, etc. would all
be "better" and should be more of a priority than making a GUI
installer.  I'm a function before form person, so pretty GUI's don't
really impress me much.  Make it detect my hardware CORRECTLY and
install the right stuff fairly quickly and I'm happy!





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Please, calm down a bit,

The original poster only revert to a "modern' install, who knows what he 
ment by this. Perhaps he doesn't want to specify what the partioning 
would look like himself, unless he prefered to do it otherwise. The idea 
that he insist on a graphicals installation is implied by the reactions, 
not by the original poster. Personally I wouldn't mind if an additional 
install cd is available with a nice graphical interface. As long as the 
original, text mode / sysinstall is available as _default_, I dont't 
care if  there is a 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.1/7.1-RELEASE-GUI-i386-disc1.iso 
sponsored by
Fritz Kolberg  [ and yes, he insist on paying for something which is free ]

Jeroen





Wojciech Puchar schreef:
>>> as better than sysinstall.
>> Once upon time, there was a Summer of Code projects set to develop a 
>> graphical installer for FBSD 7.x.  I don't know what happened to it, 
>> but also agree there is no need for such a thing.  Sysinstall may 
>> appear intimidating but it's really quite easy to use once you're 
>> used to it.
>
> i don't understand WHY something has to be better just because it's 
> working in graphics mode.
>
> it doesn't make sense.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:10:05PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote:

> 
> 
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> McAllister
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> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote:
> 
> > why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel
> end  
> > the commercial userinterface????
> 
> Good question.   
> Maybe you should ask them.
> 
> Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix
> Email list.   It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating
> system.  It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.    Although it
> covers 
> some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it.   
> 
> So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you 
> can ask them your question.   Probably they will know more.
> 
> As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation
> and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core
> group elected every two years.   (something like that, I may be off
> on the election cycle details)
> 
> On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother
> with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine.   
>    
> ////jerry
> 
> 
> 
> LMAO!  Touche!  So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here
> about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al?  Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway?
> ;-)
> 

Why would you ask about those things on a FreeBSD list.   
They are all Linux and not the superiour FreeBSD.

I suppose there is one thing - often FreeBSD people know as much
about Lunix as the Lunix people, sometimes because they have
upgraded their lives by climbing out of the Lunix morass and
in to the FreeBSD world.   So, they still remember some of that
stuff even as they are trying to forget.

////jerry



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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 01:34:13PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:

> On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >As a big fan (and paying subscriber)
> 
> Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid  
> subscription model...?
> 
> >...of FreeBSD it pains me to ask this question:  When are you going  
> >to build
> >a modern installer for FreeBSD?
> >
> >I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> >I miss something?
> 
> If you're asking for an installer which requires bitmapped graphics  
> and won't work over a serial terminal or the like, well, I hope the  
> answer is never.  Some people have tried before and/or might still be  
> working on a replacement, but thus far, nobody has written one which  
> is widely regarded as better than sysinstall.
> 
> You might find this interesting to read:
> 
>   http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt
> 

Very good article - not surprising, considering the author.
Anyone considering working on the installer or the package
system should read it carefully as a first step.

////jerry


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> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:10:04PM +0200, Arjen Simon Scheer wrote:
>
>> why there is not a lunix operatingsystem consortium, for the kernel
> end
>> the commercial userinterface????
>
> Good question.
> Maybe you should ask them.
>
> Probably few people on this list will know because it is not a Lunix
> Email list.   It is a group of FreeBSD users and FreeBSD is an operating
> system.  It is a BSD UNIX type of operating system.    Although it
> covers
> some similar territory as Lunix, it is not Lunix nor a flavor of it.
>
> So, if you can find a friendly group of Lunix developers, then you
> can ask them your question.   Probably they will know more.
>
> As for FreeBSD, it does have a foundation - the FreeBSD foundation
> and a consortium made up of committers which is lead by a core
> group elected every two years.   (something like that, I may be off
> on the election cycle details)
>
> On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother
> with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine.
>
> ////jerry
>
>
>
> LMAO!  Touche!  So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here
> about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al?  Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway?
> ;-)
>

To be allowed to ask questions about Ubuntu you first have to come up with a
clever name like wily wombat, for Suse you need a hotmail.com address.
I don't know anything about RedHat and etal.
You could ask questions about Debian. But they are switching to FreeBSD
anyway (the kernel switch is complete and userland is to follow shortly).

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VirtualHost wrote:
> Please, calm down a bit,
>
> The original poster only revert to a "modern' install, who knows what
> he ment by this. Perhaps he doesn't want to specify what the
> partioning would look like himself, unless he prefered to do it
> otherwise. The idea that he insist on a graphicals installation is
> implied by the reactions, not by the original poster. Personally I
> wouldn't mind if an additional install cd is available with a nice
> graphical interface. As long as the original, text mode / sysinstall
> is available as _default_, I dont't care if  there is a
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.1/7.1-RELEASE-GUI-i386-disc1.iso
> sponsored by
> Fritz Kolberg  [ and yes, he insist on paying for something which is
> free ]
>
> Jeroen
>
>

Exactly. Modern install does not necessarily mean GUI. FreeBSD *needs* a
text installer to work on old machines, headless servers, serial
consoles and the like. That being said, there are quite a few annoyances
with sysinstall. And of course, having a GUI installer as an additional
option is also very welcome.

Some of the current problems with sysinstall IMHO:

- Confusing set of options - Beginners tend to go in circles inside the
installer
- No real 'back' functionality. Can't fix most mistakes, need to redo
the install
- Does not make the difference between base system and packages obvious.
- Tries to do too much for a single program (install, configure, install
packages, fdisk, label, network you name it) but many of these choices
lack essential functionality or behave strangely. (i.e. the label editor
will not allow you to create an extra partition without giving a mount
point)

Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approach
that would give me options like:

- Install a Complete FreeBSD Base System => Subchoices: install
everything or select base system components
- Install Additional Software Packages
- Configure other services
- Help

and that would allow someone to go back and forth between the pages

For myself I don't really mind, as I always do the same install
(Standard, Custom Distribution, Select everything but X, ports, local
and so on) but it would be really nice if people just starting out don't
get intimidated by the installer.

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[SOLVED]

Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.

2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:
>
> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>
> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
> following in the xconsole:
>
> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>
> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new to F=
reeBSD.)
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>
>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below to
>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>
>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>>> you think so?
>>
>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>> FreeBSD < 7
>>
>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-REL=
EASE&format=3Dhtml
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>

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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:42:21 -0400
Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> wrote:


> On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother
> with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine.   
>    

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE


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Hello --

I'm configuring FreeBSD 7.1 as a router/load-balancer and I just got  
stuck. I know this sounds like a newbie question, but hear me out.

I have three DSL line (AT&T in SF Bay Area, business class) connected  
via ethernet to the box, and one more ethernet connected to an  
internal network. The idea is to do some clever kind of load-balancing  
and/or logging of DSL connections using pf.

All three DSL lines are configured to use PPPoE. I can successfully  
bring any one of them up individually, but when I try to bring more  
than one up, using either ppp or mpd5, I get an error that looks like  
this (example from ppp):

ppp : tun0: Warning: iface add: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR, X.X.X.X  ->  
D.D.D.D ): File exists

and then the 2nd link goes down. mpd5 says the same thing, but the  
error is slightly different. For all three point-to-point links the  
remote side of the point to point (D.D.D.D) is always the same IP  
address, so naturally it doesn't want to add multiple routing table  
entries which point to the same destination.

The vendor claims to be unable to change the value of D.D.D.D because  
"everyone in your region has the same remote address." They also don't  
support mlppp, so multilink is out.

Also, I would like easy, real-time, programmatic access to the IP  
address of each individual DSL line.

So far, I've thought of the following workarounds:

1. Use cheap linksys boxen to hang off each DSL line so the FreeBSD  
network stack doesn't have to do the PPPoE. I'm concerned that they'll  
be able to handle the volume of individual connections I'm planning  
on, even with the firmware replaced with something decent. Plus it's  
three extra devices on my network!
2. Use network virtualization such as this. I don't have any  
experience with it, but I'm guessing it would do everything I want.
http://imunes.tel.fer.hr/virtnet/

Does anyone have any ideas how to solve this problem more elegantly?

Thanks much,
     Jeff Croft
Linux admin who is thrilled to have some FreeBSD time


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Thanks a lot guys.... Really dunno what happened with those files...
They were 444 perms.... not modified for long... but well.... now i
reinstalled bash form ports and went ok.....

Thanks guys for your time...

2009/4/21 Michael Powell <nightrecon@verizon.net>:
> Agus wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>> What is the output of "ldconfig -r" ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry for the delay.. was too busyy...
>>
>> No output... just this
>>
>> ldconfig -r
>> /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints:
>> search directories:
>>
>
> Sounds like the hints file is missing or damaged. These live here:
> /var/run/ld.so.hints for a.out and /var/run/ld-elf.so.hints for elf format.
> Look and see if these are present, and possibly consider deleting them and
> regenerating due to the possibility they are damaged. As root the command
> ldconfig -aout will do the first (probably not needed as that format is
> deprecated) and ldconfig -elf will do the second.
>
> -Mike
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Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Fritz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As a big fan (and paying subscriber)
> 
> Interesting-- I wasn't aware that the FreeBSD project had a paid 
> subscription model...?
> 
>> ...of FreeBSD it pains me to ask this question:  When are you going to 
>> build
>> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
>>
>> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
>> I miss something?
> 
> If you're asking for an installer which requires bitmapped graphics and 
> won't work over a serial terminal or the like, well, I hope the answer 
> is never.  Some people have tried before and/or might still be working 
> on a replacement, but thus far, nobody has written one which is widely 
> regarded as better than sysinstall.
> 
> You might find this interesting to read:
> 
>   http://people.freebsd.org/~jkh/package-and-install.txt
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> -Chuck
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Aloha,

I have used the text base Sysinstall since 2.* FreeBSD.

It is extremely flexible especially with ports. Keeps your system lean 
of code.

Gui installs have a tendency to hide things you need to tweak or alter 
to suit a specific need.

I find it fast and efficient the way it is.

Thanks to our faithful coders for all their work.

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   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
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On Wednesday 22 April 2009 20:11:09 Jake Evans wrote:
> Am running 6.4-PRERELEASE.
>
> Received FreeBSD-SA-09:07.libc / FreeBSD-SA-09:08.openssl notifications
> today, applied applicable patches correctly.
>
> However, now when anyone attempts to connect to my server via SSH, the
> connection is closed after they enter their login & password.
>
> /var/log/messages says the following when they try to login:
>
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: fatal: openpty returns device for which
> ttyname fails.
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chown  0 0 failed: No such file or
> directory
> Apr 22 12:53:12 x sshd[75505]: error: chmod  0666 failed: No such file or
> directory

You did a full buildworld and restarted sshd, or just updated openssl?
-- 
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On Wednesday 22 April 2009 17:37:06 Tom Worster wrote:

> by the by, on my test machine i ended up with python installed. seems to be
> because i needed php5-gd which now depends on python. all for some simple
> freetype2 calls.

Wrong assumption. php-gd doesn't depend on python at all. devel/apr does, so 
you've built php with apache module and that pulls in python OR you didn't set 
WITHOUT_X11=yes when building, so libxcb is pulled in which uses python:

% sudo /stable/root/bin/finddep.php graphics/php5-gd lang/python26
/usr/ports/x11/xcb-proto: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
/usr/ports/x11/xcb-proto: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
/usr/ports/x11/libxcb: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
/usr/ports/x11/libxcb: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
/usr/ports/devel/apr: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26

% sudo env WITHOUT_X11=yes /stable/root/bin/finddep.php graphics/php5-gd 
lang/python26
/usr/ports/devel/apr: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26

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Manolis Kiagias wrote:

> Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approac=
h
> that would give me options like:
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> - Install a Complete FreeBSD Base System =3D> Subchoices: install
> everything or select base system components
> - Install Additional Software Packages
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> and that would allow someone to go back and forth between the pages

So long as it maintains two other really useful features of the existing
sysinstall:

   * scriptable installs -- ie. being able to preload a file containing
     answers to any or all installation choices.  Ideally you should be
     able to PXE boot the installer over a network, whence it runs sysins=
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:27:39 -0700, Fritz <fkolberg@q.com> wrote:
> As a big fan (and paying subscriber) of FreeBSD it pains
> me to ask this question:  When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?

It has already been done. The modern installer is called "sysinstall".
It covers many actions: It does not only install the operating systen,
it furthermore helps installaing applications and configuring the
system, its services, network settings, security and so on. It can
be used from a serial console, from the text mode, and from an X
terminal. It's very straight forward. For maximum easiness of
operations, it's controlled via the keyboard. As I mentioned, this
can be a local keyboard, or one of a serial terminal (a real
terminal in hardware or a connected terminal emulator). At the
moment, this modern installer is available in the english language,
which is the main communications language of the FreeBSD operating
system. English language is a mandatory language for any serious
IT bizniz, so it's no problem at all.

If you think the FreeBSD installer lacks a specific functionality,
then feel free to report to the mailing list or contact the FreeBSD
developers.



> I looked at the list of projects and didn't see it there ... did
> I miss something?

Obviously. :-)



-- 
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:38:47 -0700, Evuraan::ഏവൂരാന്‍  <evuraan@gmail.com> wrote:
> but this below, does not work
> 
>  tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log |awk ' /192.168.1.100/ {  print
> $0 | "mail me@email.address  "}'

I would suggest to keep the system() approach:

	tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log | awk '/192.168.1.100/ { system(sprintf("echo %s | mail me@email.address", $0)); }'



> Any pointers would be much appreciated.

It should work, but I'm sure someonle else will soon show you
some more elegant way. :-)



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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:16:43 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:
> i don't understand WHY something has to be better just because it's 
> working in graphics mode.

The problem is that if the graphics isn't optional (if it's the
default), the whole thing is *limiting* the actions you can do
with it. Simply consider what will happen if you try to use a
GUI installer via a serial console (and this is a common task
in datacenters).



> it doesn't make sense.

Exactly. More graphics != better. And surely not "modern".



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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:10:05 -0500, "Gary Gatten" <Ggatten@waddell.com> wrote:
> LMAO!  Touche!  So, are you saying I shouldn't ask any questions here
> about Ubuntu, Suse, RedHat, et al? 

Only if you want to know how to delete them. The answer is newfs. :-)



> Isn't Lunix better than BSD anyway?
> ;-)

No no, "FreeBSD is the better Linux", as a german computer magazine
titled some years ago. :-)



PS. Please don't put HTML stuff in your mails. A mail client is
    not a HTML browser and renderer. Thanks!

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:59:53 +0300, Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:
> VirtualHost wrote:
> > Perhaps he doesn't want to specify what the
> > partioning would look like himself, unless he prefered to do it
> > otherwise.

The installer does this already, as far as I know.



> Exactly. Modern install does not necessarily mean GUI. FreeBSD *needs* a
> text installer to work on old machines, headless servers, serial
> consoles and the like. That being said, there are quite a few annoyances
> with sysinstall. And of course, having a GUI installer as an additional
> option is also very welcome.

No problem, as long as (a) it isn't default (read: too complicated
to switch it off of not needed) and (b) doesn't make things more
complicated.

It's nice you mentioned some problems (invitations for further
development) of sysinstall. Lemme see if I can add something
to it:

> Some of the current problems with sysinstall IMHO:
> 
> - Confusing set of options - Beginners tend to go in circles inside the
> installer



> - No real 'back' functionality. Can't fix most mistakes, need to redo
> the install

Hmmm... I think this is where the user learns "first think, then do"
on a good basis.



> - Does not make the difference between base system and packages obvious.

Yes, especially when adding functionalities like "Linux compatibility",
the installer installs some additional packages at this given moment.
I'd prefer an installer which acts in two stages:

	Stage 1:
	Make all the settings; this would maybe include the option
	of having a "back" button, or much better: Instead of a
	linear structure, a hierarchical structure with direct
	access (as it is now) is much better - in this case, you
	don't need a "back" button.

	Stage 2:
	Download (and install) the system and the packages that are
	required by the settings made in stage 1.



> Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approach
> that would give me options like:

Forgive me my ignorance, but personally, I completely DISLIKE this
linear approach. Instead of

	A ---> B ---> C ---> D ---> E ---> F	oops, forgot something
	                            E <---	no, not here
	                     D <---		not here, too
	              C <---			ah, here it was, okay, got it
	              C ---> D ---> E ---> F ---> Finish

A hierarchy would be better.

	Options:
		A	This and that
		B	Some other stuff
		C	More stuff
		D	Even more stuff
		E	Some settings
		F	Several other settings
		Done	Commit

So one could first select
		A	This and that
then, knowing that C - E are not interesting for him, address
		F	Several other settings
directly, make some choices, and then, maybe go back to 
		A	This and that
and do some more tasks, and finally select
		Done	Commit
to do the install.

This is what sysinstall already provides. In a modern way, it allows
to "go back" to any setting that has already been done and change it,
and the user is not limited in doing choices in a pre-defined order.





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On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:07:54 -1000, Al Plant <noc@hdk5.net> wrote:
> Gui installs have a tendency to hide things you need to tweak or alter 
> to suit a specific need.

That's a point especially when you want to turn an older 150 MHz
P1 into a worthful part of the IT society. :-)

No, honestly: If the GUI installer just runs on a narrow subsets
of up-to-date GPUs, there are major problems. Especially when a
server has no GPU at all.

Let me state this: correct screen detection is already a problem
with "the big" X, how should "a small" installer get this right
with its limited resources? Mind this: The installer runs in a
very limited setting, while X can rely on an already running
system.

Good ways to go (for those who want it this way) are PC-BSD,
DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE.



> I find it fast and efficient the way it is.

Which makes it modern, in my opinion. But hey, I'm old and
old-fashioned anyway. :-)

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> The problem is that if the graphics isn't optional (if it's the
> default), the whole thing is *limiting* the actions you can do
> with it.

like installing over serial port or without mouse.
both i use

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Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:59:53 +0300, Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:
>   
>
>> Exactly. Modern install does not necessarily mean GUI. FreeBSD *needs* a
>> text installer to work on old machines, headless servers, serial
>> consoles and the like. That being said, there are quite a few annoyances
>> with sysinstall. And of course, having a GUI installer as an additional
>> option is also very welcome.
>>     
>
> No problem, as long as (a) it isn't default (read: too complicated
> to switch it off of not needed) and (b) doesn't make things more
> complicated.
>   

The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
it looked very promising:

http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html

>> - No real 'back' functionality. Can't fix most mistakes, need to redo
>> the install
>>     
>
> Hmmm... I think this is where the user learns "first think, then do"
> on a good basis.
>
>
>   

The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously

>
>   
>> Personally, I would like a text installer using a previous/next approach
>> that would give me options like:
>>     
>
> Forgive me my ignorance, but personally, I completely DISLIKE this
> linear approach. Instead of
>
> 	A ---> B ---> C ---> D ---> E ---> F	oops, forgot something
> 	                            E <---	no, not here
> 	                     D <---		not here, too
> 	              C <---			ah, here it was, okay, got it
> 	              C ---> D ---> E ---> F ---> Finish
>   

The moving back approach as I see it is not intended as an excuse to
leave your brain turned off. And it doesn't even have to move back all
steps - one would be enough for the occasional wrong key-press.

> A hierarchy would be better.
>
> 	Options:
> 		A	This and that
> 		B	Some other stuff
> 		C	More stuff
> 		D	Even more stuff
> 		E	Some settings
> 		F	Several other settings
> 		Done	Commit
>
> So one could first select
> 		A	This and that
> then, knowing that C - E are not interesting for him, address
> 		F	Several other settings
> directly, make some choices, and then, maybe go back to 
> 		A	This and that
> and do some more tasks, and finally select
> 		Done	Commit
> to do the install.
>
>   

I have no problem with this strategy, but...

> This is what sysinstall already provides. In a modern way, it allows
> to "go back" to any setting that has already been done and change it,
> and the user is not limited in doing choices in a pre-defined order.
>   

...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
times to continue normally.


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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:43:32 +0100, Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote:
> So long as it maintains two other really useful features of the existing
> sysinstall: [...]
>    * You answer all of the questions first, and only then does the installer
>      commit any irreversible changes -- and particularly not any operations
>      that take appreciable lengths of time like creating filesystems or
>      downloading voluminous install sets.

Exactly, that would be my point, too: FIRST do the interaction,
do ALL the interaction and do it "in one chunk". THEN start installing
everything that's needed by the choices done. This would include
additional packages required by certain services.

As an addition, I could imagine a combination of the linear and
the hierarchical settings access method. I may draw a silly
picture:

	FreeBSD installer            NTP settings                    10/28
	------------------------------------------------------------------

	Enable NTP?	[x] Yes		[ ] No
	NTP server:	[ntpthing.bla.dings.org              ]   <Select>	
	Some setting:   [oh don't know                       ]
	Other setting:  [ ] Choice A	[x] Choice B	[ ] Choice C

	<Prev>                                                     <next>
	------------------------------------------------------------------
	F1   | F2   | F3                   | F4                   | F10
	Help | Menu | Prev: Network (9/28) | Next: Kernel (11/28) | Cancel

And yes, I know emplying the function keys can be a problem, but
I like them. :-)

But I think you get the idea.



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> Good ways to go (for those who want it this way) are PC-BSD,
> DesktopBSD and FreeSBIE.

or ever better - Windows. don't use imitations when you can get an 
original!

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:00:24 +0300, Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:
> The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
> should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
> I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
> it looked very promising:
> 
> http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html

As an option, yes; as a replacement... uhm, no, better not...



> The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
> some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously
> [...]
> ...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
> times to continue normally.

I don't deny that fact that this observation is possible, but I
never found such a behaviour. Could you provide an example how
to create a situation where sysinstall fails as you mentioned it?
(It's a completely honest question.)


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Hi.

I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) account.

Connecting the remote server, nxclient says "connection error" and
I found out that it caused by nxssh.

If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
[meta@trueno ~]$ nxssh
You don't exist, go away!

How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?

-- 
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Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:00:24 +0300, Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr> wrote:
>   
>> The text installer should always be the default, IMHO. A GUI  installer
>> should be selectable i.e. from the boot options.
>> I hope Ivan Voras finds the time to continue with the finstall project,
>> it looked very promising:
>>
>> http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2009-02-19.what-happened-to-finstall.html
>>     
>
> As an option, yes; as a replacement... uhm, no, better not...
>
>
>
>   
>> The problem here is that sysinstall *does* allow you to go back and redo
>> some steps, but then fails miserably and mysteriously
>> [...]
>> ...it does allow you to go back in a sort of way - but then fails many
>> times to continue normally.
>>     
>
> I don't deny that fact that this observation is possible, but I
> never found such a behaviour. Could you provide an example how
> to create a situation where sysinstall fails as you mentioned it?
> (It's a completely honest question.)
>   
An example: pressing cancel on any dialog will almost certainly get you
somewhere where you cannot continue or restart successfully. The label
editor will not allow me to create any partitions other than the
standard ones, as it keeps asking for mount points. You can select "Exit
this menu (returning to previous one)" (I think cancel too) in the
distributions list without making any selection at all, and it still
goes on and install (what?).  Pressing CTRL+C at most parts of
sysinstall will give you a menu to abort or restart the installation
program. On restart, most of the times it will fail creating (slices or
partitions) or formating filesystems. These are just a few problems I
remember now. Granted, if you do always follow the same ritual (as I do
mostly) it works and I can simply ignore it, but others hate it...

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Quoting Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr>:
>
>
> A quick visit to http://update.freebsd.org does not show this directory
> - although this maybe intentional. I suggest you try the server change
> and if you connect but still fail to get the key, then go on and hack
> the script. I don't have a 6.1 machine around, but freebsd-update is
> just a sh script and you should be able to find what's going on.  There
> is nothing hardcoded in it, at least in the version distributed with
> 7.x. In fact I would try running the 7.x version on this system.
>

Hi Manolis,

   thanks for the reply! I have simply copied over the freebsd-update  
script from a 7.0 machine and it seems to work fine just as on the 7.0  
machine. I have run a fetch without making any changes to the conf  
file, I haven't applied the updates as yet as its a production server  
and I'll need to schedule down time and work out a fall back plan if  
anything goes bad when doing an install.
Thanks again!

Andy.



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The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the 
FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a 
special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just "X".  You can 
create as many partitions named "X" as you like.

Then the newfs will fail.

I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug 
report about it.

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

>
> Let me state this: correct screen detection is already a problem
> with "the big" X, how should "a small" installer get this right
> with its limited resources? Mind this: The installer runs in a
> very limited setting, while X can rely on an already running
> system.
>
>

Yesterday I was installing a CentOS 5.3  Linux distribution in GUI mode .

It detected monitor maximum size correctly ( 1920 x 1440 ) ,
but set the monitor mode to 1600 x 1200 while display was in 1920 x 1440
without screen border sliders .  Click area for Back and Next was the bottom
right corner of the
screen which they were not visible .

I wondered what will be result of install . By changing zoom values of
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( Installer was assuming that screen settings are conforming to each other )

I could manage to squeeze 1920 x 1440 screen size into 1600 x 1200 screen
size
( setting of factory defaults of monitor did not help )  .

Arrangement of monitor settings took longer than installation itself .

Ideas that GUI is NOT better than text based installs is VALID .


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 04:32:29PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
> Hi.
> 
> I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
> But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) account.
> 
> Connecting the remote server, nxclient says "connection error" and
> I found out that it caused by nxssh.
> 
> If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
> [meta@trueno ~]$ nxssh
> You don't exist, go away!
> 
> How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?

I don't know anything of nxssh, but it sounds like a pam issue.

Ruben

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I'm using an Intel DG33BU board with a SATA HD and SATA optical drives. 
Using FreeBSD 7.1 AMD64 I get a kernel panic and subsequent file system 
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If anyone has any ideas, I'd  like to know why this happens. Is there a 
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El día Tuesday, March 24, 2009 a las 07:24:26PM +0100, Juergen Lock escribió:

> While I don't remeber seeing reports about this particular issue, it is
> still very well possible that it has been fixed in the meantime, so I'd
> advise you to update.  (the port is at 0.10.1 now, which contains quite
> a few bugfixes and improvements...  Don't forget to read UPDATING and
> the pkg-message of the port tho.)
> ...

I've port updated to:
kqemu-kmod-devel-1.4.0.p1_2 Kernel Accelerator for QEMU CPU Emulator (development versi
qemu-0.10.2         QEMU CPU Emulator

and the problem went away;

a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
flag -no-shutdown does not help;

	matthias
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Hello,

 

I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?

 

Thanks,

 

- Mark


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mark <asarian@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile
>
> in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?



Why does it bother you? It will be built but if your tables are MyISAM type,
the InnoDB code will be dormant anyway.


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hi derek,

It is by the way mydomain.com, sorry.

I also tried no period on user account...

klyren@mydomain.com


...still it does not auto reply.


thanks,

alydiomc


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=20
At 08:16 PM 4/19/2009, lyd mc wrote:


Hi derek,


Correction on step 4, it should be:


\alydio.mc, "|/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc"


thanks,


alyd




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Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: "Derek Ragona" <derek@computinginnovations.com>

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Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 9:07 AM


hi derek,


It is not also working on my sendmail.


May be I overlooked some steps?


step 1. login to user=20

# su alydio.mc


step 2. initialize vacation db=20

$ vacation -i


step 3. create .vacation.msg=20


=A0From: alydio.mc@mydomain.com

=A0Subject: I am on vacation

=A0Delivered-By-The-Graces-Of: The Vacation program

=A0Precedence: bulk


=A0I am on vacation until.......


step 4. create .forward


\klyren, "|/usr/bin/vacation klyren"




sendmail log


Apr 20 08:21:08 MAIL sm-mta[18102]: n3K0L2Jl018092:
to=3D"|/usr/bin/vacation alydio.mc",
ctladdr=3D<alydio.mc@mydomain> (1001/0), delay=3D00:00:05,
xdelay=3D00:00:00, mailer=3Dprog, pri=3D62458, dsn=3D2.0.0, stat=3DSent


...nothing follows...


thanks

alydiomc

In the log entry above, I see:

ctladdr=3D<alydio.mc@mydomain>=A0=20

I suspect this is NOT a deliverable address but that depends on how you
have mydomain resolving.


Also you might want to try using a user account without a period
in the name.=A0 The period may be causing a silent parsing problem for
sendmail and vacation.


 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Derek





--- On Fri, 4/17/09,
Derek Ragona

=A0<derek@computinginnovations.com> wrote:

From: Derek Ragona <derek@computinginnovations.com>

Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto reply

To: alydiomc@yahoo.com, "Odhiambo Washington"
<odhiambo@gmail.com>

Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>,
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:51 PM




=A0

At 07:27 AM 4/17/2009, lyd mc wrote:


Thanks Odhiambo for your

time.




Actually i have a working vacation program=A0 from freebsd ports

(/usr/ports/mail/vacation).




I only wondering why the freebsd base vacation behave
differently....





I still want freebsd base vacation... the one from ports is obsolete
(as

per its maintainer website) and sometime i need to edit its makefile
for

it to compile....




Thanks again.










I think the base system vacation is the one that is part of

sendmail.=A0 So using it with postfix as the MTA may be the

issue.=A0 I have use the base vacation version flawlessly with

sendmail.




=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Derek
















--- On Fri, 4/17/09,

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From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>


Subject: Re: Freebsd Built-in vacation program does not auto
reply


To: alydiomc@yahoo.com


Cc: "Steve Bertrand" <steve@ibctech.ca>,

freebsd-questions@freebsd.org


Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 8:10 PM








On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, lyd mc <alydiomc@yahoo.com>

wrote:







hi,




I don't know how to run it in debug mode....




I already try this one.....




#/usr/bin/vacation -d alydio.mc




but nothing happened... no logs in /var/log/message and
/var/log/maillog

pertaining to vacation.







Okay. I think you need to look again at your MTA logs. Not being an

expert with Postfix, I am not sure I can help with it anyway.







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Hello,

 

I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile

in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?

 

Thanks,

 

- Mark


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Mark <admin@asarian-host.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not compile
>
> in innodb database support. Have these been removed? And, if so, why?
>
Can't comment on if/why the options were removed, but adding
"skip-innodb" to your my.cnf file will turn off the innodb engine at
runtime and reduce the memory consumption of the MySQL server
processes.

Matt

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Mark wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> > I'm trying to compile MySQL 5.1.34, but I can't find options to not
> >compile in innodb database support. Have these been removed?
> >And, if so, why?

> Why does it bother you? It will be built but if your tables are MyISAM ty=
pe,
> the InnoDB code will be dormant anyway.

I'm getting a weird compilation error (see below); hence, I figured I skip
as much engines as possible during the compilation process. Done
with gcc 2.95.4, btw.

- Mark


-----RETRY_COUNT=3D1000000 -DUSE_PRAGMA_IMPLEMENTATION -o mysqld sql_lex.o
sql_handler.o sql_partition.o item.o item_sum.o item_buff.o item_func.o
item_cmpfunc.o item_strfunc.o item_timefunc.o thr_malloc.o item_create.o
item_subselect.o item_row.o item_geofunc.o item_xmlfunc.o field.o
strfunc.o key.o sql_class.o sql_list.o net_serv.o protocol.o sql_state.o
lock.o my_lock.o sql_string.o sql_manager.o sql_map.o mysqld.o password.o
hash_filo.o hostname.o sql_connect.o scheduler.o sql_parse.o set_var.o
sql_yacc.o sql_base.o table.o sql_select.o sql_insert.o sql_profile.o
sql_prepare.o sql_error.o sql_locale.o sql_update.o sql_delete.o uniques.o
sql_do.o procedure.o sql_test.o log.o init.o derror.o sql_acl.o unireg.o
des_key_file.o log_event.o rpl_record.o log_event_old.o rpl_record_old.o
discover.o time.o opt_range.o opt_sum.o records.o filesort.o handler.o
ha_partition.o sql_db.o sql_table.o sql_rename.o sql_crypt.o sql_load.o
mf_iocache.o field_conv.o sql_show.o sql_udf.o sql_analyse.o sql_cache.o
slave.o sql_repl.o rpl_filter.o rpl_tblmap.o rpl_utility.o rpl_injector.o
rpl_rli.o rpl_mi.o rpl_reporting.o sql_union.o sql_derived.o sql_client.o
repl_failsafe.o sql_olap.o sql_view.o gstream.o spatial.o sql_help.o
sql_cursor.o tztime.o my_decimal.o sp_head.o sp_pcontext.o sp_rcontext.o
sp.o sp_cache.o parse_file.o sql_trigger.o event_scheduler.o
event_data_objects.o event_queue.o event_db_repository.o events.o
sql_plugin.o sql_binlog.o sql_builtin.o sql_tablespace.o partition_info.o
sql_servers.o event_parse_data.o mini_client_errors.o pack.o client.o
my_time.o my_user.o -pthread -pthread -Wl,--export-dynamic=20
../.libs/libndb.a -pthread -pthread -pthread -pthread
.../storage/archive/libarchive.a ../storage/blackhole/libblackhole.a
.../storage/csv/libcsv.a ../storage/federated/libfederated.a
.../storage/heap/libheap.a ../storage/innobase/libinnobase.a
.../storage/myisam/libmyisam.a ../storage/myisammrg/libmyisammrg.a
.../vio/libvio.a ../mysys/libmysys.a ../dbug/libdbug.a .../regex/libregex.a
.../strings/libmystrings.a ../zlib/.libs/libzlt.a -lwrap -pthread -pthread
-lcrypt -lm -pthread -pthread
sql_insert.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q313select_result61prepare__13select_crea
teRt4List1Z4ItemP18st_select_lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKS+0xc): undefined
reference to
`_$_Q313select_result61prepare__13select_createRt4List1Z4ItemP18st_select_
lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKS.11298'
sql_insert.o(.gnu.linkonce.d._vt$Q313select_result61prepare__13select_crea
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reference to
`do_postlock__Q313select_result61prepare__13select_createRt4List1Z4ItemP18
st_select_lex_unit.0_8MY_HOOKSPP8st_tableUi.11297'
gmake[3]: *** [mysqld] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server/work/mysql-5.1.34/sql'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
*** Error code1


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On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Mark wrote:
> I'm getting a weird compilation error (see below); hence, I figured  
> I skip
> as much engines as possible during the compilation process. Done
> with gcc 2.95.4, btw.

Really...why such an old compiler version?  I think that even  
FreeBSD-5.0 shipped with gcc-3.2.1; 6.4/6-STABLE is using gcc-3.4.6,  
and 7 is using gcc-4.2.1...

-- 
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Anyone?????


O/H Panos έγραψε:
> I think I found what is the problem but I don't kow how to fix it.
> from the error messages err=49 means that the password is wrong.
> I'm sure that I type it correctly.
> So I captured traffic using whireshark
>
> when the manager tires toy bind everything is normal and the bind is 
> succeful. In the field authentication simple of the packet the 
> password was the correct
> but when ldap_test tries to bind the password that it send to ldap 
> server is INCORECT (0000   08 0a 0d 7f 49 4e 43 4f 52 52 45 43 54   
> the hex field), so ldap server returns invalid credentials.
>
> I think that this is the problem but I don't have a clue how to solve it.
> I can't understand why it sends an incorect password, and most 
> important which of ssh, pam, pam_ldap has the problem.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> O/H Panos έγραψε:
>> O/H Emiel van de Laar έγραψε:
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Panos wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello I'm trying to setup an ldap for authenticating users.
>>>> I think that the ldap server is ok
>>>> but ssh gives me an error PAM authntication error illigal user XXX 
>>>> from XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
>>>> I think that something is wrong when pam-ldap is quering tο ldap.
>>>> Fisrt I thounght that was acl problem so I tried something like 
>>>> this access * by * write
>>>> full access to alla but nothing.
>>>> When I'm using phpldadmin to connet to ldap I have no problem,
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
>>>> IP=127.0.0.1:51667 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 BIND 
>>>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" method=128
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 BIND 
>>>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" mech=SIMPLE 
>>>> ssf=0
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=0 RESULT tag=97 
>>>> err=0 text=
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=1 SRCH 
>>>> base="ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" scope=2 
>>>> deref=0 filter="(&(?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))"
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 op=1 SEARCH RESULT 
>>>> tag=101 err=0 nentries=0 text=value does not conform to assertion 
>>>> syntax
>>>> Apr 18 00:01:05 FreeBSD slapd[1336]: conn=0 fd=11 closed 
>>>> (connection lost)
>>>
>>> I suggest you have a look at the LDAP filter.
>>>
>>> The log above shows:
>>>
>>> (&(?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
>>>
>>> While I expect something like:
>>>
>>> (&(objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
>>>
>>> i.e. remove the '?'.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>  - Emiel
>>
>> I know, I found strange this filter but in my ldpa.conf this is the 
>> filter line.
>> pam_filter objectclass=possixAccount
>> So no ? should be in the filter
>> i tried without
>> pam_filter objectclass=possixAccount
>> and the only difference in the logs is instead of
>> (&(?objectClass=possixAccount)(uid=ldap_test))
>> I  get (uid=ldap_test) but still I can't log in.
>> then I tried with filter shadowAccount
>> and here is the output
>> It says that is not indexed why?
>>
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
>> IP=127.0.0.1:49379 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" method=128
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=1 SRCH 
>> base="ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" scope=2 
>> deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=shadowAccount)(uid=ldap_test))"
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: <= bdb_equality_candidates: (uid) 
>> not indexed
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101 
>> err=0 nentries=1 text=
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 BIND anonymous 
>> mech=implicit ssf=0
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 BIND 
>> dn="cn=ldap_test,ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" 
>> method=128
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=2 RESULT tag=97 err=49 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" method=128
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 op=3 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 07:54:13 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=7 fd=11 closed (connection 
>> lost)
>>
>> then I tried with this filter
>>
>> pam_filter objectclass=*
>> again the same error
>>
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 fd=11 ACCEPT from 
>> IP=127.0.0.1:58165 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" method=128
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=1 SRCH 
>> base="ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" scope=2 
>> deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))"
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: <= bdb_equality_candidates: (uid) 
>> not indexed
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=1 SEARCH RESULT 
>> tag=101 err=0 nentries=1 text=
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=2 BIND anonymous 
>> mech=implicit ssf=0
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=2 BIND 
>> dn="cn=ldap_test,ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" 
>> method=128
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=2 RESULT tag=97 err=49 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=3 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" method=128
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=3 BIND 
>> dn="cn=manager,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something" mech=SIMPLE ssf=0
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 op=3 RESULT tag=97 err=0 
>> text=
>> Apr 18 08:07:28 FreeBSD slapd[593]: conn=13 fd=11 closed (connection 
>> lost)
>>
>>
>> the strange thing is that the ldapsearch command gives me this:
>>
>> ldapsearch -x -b 'ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something' 
>> '(&(objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))'
>>
>>
>> # extended LDIF
>> #
>> # LDAPv3
>> # base <ou=users,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something> with scope 
>> subtree
>> # filter: (&(objectClass=*)(uid=ldap_test))
>> # requesting: ALL
>> #
>>
>> dn: cn=ldap_test,dc=something,dc=something,dc=something
>> cn: ldap_test
>> FTPDownloadBandwidth: 20
>> FTPDownloadRatio: 5
>> FTPQuotaFiles: 50
>> FTPQuotaMBytes: 20
>> FTPStatus: enable
>> FTPUploadBandwidth: 50
>> FTPUploadRatio: 1
>> gecos: ldap_test
>> homeDirectory: /home/ldap/ldap_test
>> loginShell: /bin/sh
>> mail: ldap_test@something.something
>> objectClass: inetOrgPerson
>> objectClass: person
>> objectClass: posixAccount
>> objectClass: PureFTPdUser
>> objectClass: radiusprofile
>> objectClass: shadowAccount
>> objectClass: top
>> ou: users
>> radiusTunnelMediumType: IEEE-802
>> radiusTunnelPrivateGroupId: 2
>> radiusTunnelType: VLAN
>> sn: ldap_test
>> uidNumber: 1003
>> uid: ldap_test
>> gidNumber: 1000
>> userPassword:: XXXXXX
>>
>> # search result
>> search: 2
>> result: 0 Success
>>
>> # numResponses: 2
>> # numEntries: 1
>>
>


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You had said:

O/H Panos =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5:
> the strange thing is that the ldapsearch command gives me this:
> ldapsearch -x -b 'ou=3Dusers,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomethin=
g' =20
> '(&(objectClass=3D*)(uid=3Dldap_test))'
>
> # extended LDIF
> #
> # LDAPv3
> # base <ou=3Dusers,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething> with =
scope =20
> subtree
> # filter: (&(objectClass=3D*)(uid=3Dldap_test))
> # requesting: ALL
>
> dn: cn=3Dldap_test,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething
> cn: ldap_test
> [...]

> gecos: ldap_test
> homeDirectory: /home/ldap/ldap_test
> loginShell: /bin/sh
> [...]

> uidNumber: 1003
> uid: ldap_test
> gidNumber: 1000
> userPassword:: XXXXXX

And then later:

O/H Panos =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5:
> I think I found what is the problem but I don't kow how to fix it.
> from the error messages err=3D49 means that the password is wrong.
> I'm sure that I type it correctly.
> So I captured traffic using whireshark
>
> when the manager tires toy bind everything is normal and the bind is =20=

> succeful. In the field authentication simple of the packet the =20
> password was the correct
> but when ldap_test tries to bind the password that it send to ldap =20
> server is INCORECT (0000   08 0a 0d 7f 49 4e 43 4f 52 52 45 43 54   =20=

> the hex field), so ldap server returns invalid credentials.
>
> I think that this is the problem but I don't have a clue how to =20
> solve it.
> I can't understand why it sends an incorect password, and most =20
> important which of ssh, pam, pam_ldap has the problem.
>
> Any ideas?

On 2009, Apr 23, at 09:54, Panos wrote:
> Anyone?????


With the "later" message where you say you found a message that the =20
bind attempt resulted in the password reported as "INCORRECT", I do =20
not see you describe how you initiated the BIND attempt, only that you =20=

captured it with wireshark.

When you login as "cn=3Dmanager,[...]" that you say works, is that via =20=

ssh, or your admin tool you mentioned in a previous message, or more =20
directly using something like ldapsearch(1)?


I highly recommend you test things from the ground-up to try and find =20=

at which level the failure is occurring:

	network (already covered, you know you can talk to the LDAP =
server =20
from the client you are testing)

	LDAP: Try performing the LDAP searches "manually" using =20
ldapsearch(1), more on that below

	Account: getent passwd ldap_test

	SSH: If those work, try more logging in the PAM or SSH layers


For doing the direct LDAP test, you've already checked that the entry =20=

is in your database:

	ldapsearch -x -b =
'ou=3Dusers,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething' =20
'(&(objectClass=3D*)(uid=3Dldap_test))'

next, make sure you can actually bind as that user:

	% ldapsearch -x -b =
'ou=3Dusers,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething' -=20
D 'cn=3Dldap_test,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething,dc=3Dsomething' -W =20
'(&(objectClass=3D*)(uid=3Dldap_test))'
	Enter LDAP Password: xxxxx
	[...]

If that fails, bump up the logging on either the client and/or server =20=

side of the LDAP server and see what clues you get from those logs.  =20
If it works, move on to the next layer and see if it can properly =20
access the information you could get manually.


-philip


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any clues why this is happening?
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> Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to
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> make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD &
> OpenBSD.  Any filesystem which could do that? 

>From my experiences, the tar "filesystem" is the best one to
do this. You can transfer the tar archives (and add compression
if needed) between different operating systems using FTP or
any "Internet means" as well as via optical media, even the
use of floppy disks (if you still know them) is possible.

On one end:

	% tar cvf bla.tar <your stuff here>

On the other end:

	% tar xvf bla.tar



> Or, maybe looking at it from the
> other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems?  I want to move data
> between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so nfs
> isn't a possibility here.

FreeBSD and OpenBSD use FFS / UFS file systems. Have you already
tried mounting FreeBSD partitions with OpenBSD or vice versa?

Of course, it's possible to transfer data via FTP, rsync or
scp between machines.

But because you asked about file systems, just try the mount
advice.



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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Chuck Robey <chuckr@telenix.org> wrote:

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> Are there any filesystems which FreeBSD has which offer compatibility to
> OpenBSD?  I want to add a OpenBSD partition to my long-existing FreeBSD
> disk,
> make it OpenBSD, but I want to be able to transfer data between FreeBSD &
> OpenBSD.  Any filesystem which could do that?  Or, maybe looking at it from
> the
> other way, can OpenBSD read any of our FreeBSD filesystems?  I want to move
> data
> between these two, if at all possible, and they're on the same machine, so
> nfs
> isn't a possibility here.
>
>
MS-DOS FAT32
Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you
can get.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd <tajudd@gmail.com> wrote:
> MS-DOS FAT32

Ugh. :-)



> Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as you
> can get.

Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many
limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the
best solution. (I know this from interoperability works
with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX
and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.)
And it is not limited to a subset of media.

I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using
it makes you happy afterwards. :-)




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Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
(pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets
me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able
to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,
or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

Thanks for any help you can offer folks!

Mark

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Ruben de Groot wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 04:32:29PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
> > Hi.
> >=20
> > I'm going to connect to the remote server with nxclient.
> > But, net/linux-nx-client does't work with non-local (NIS or LDAP) accou=
nt.
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> > Connecting the remote server, nxclient says "connection error" and
> > I found out that it caused by nxssh.
> >=20
> > If nxssh was executed by a NIS account, nxssh says,
> > [meta@trueno ~]$ nxssh
> > You don't exist, go away!
> >=20
> > How to deceive programs as if I were a user in /etc/master.passwd?
>=20
> I don't know anything of nxssh, but it sounds like a pam issue.

This error means the program tried to look up some name information for
your UID number and failed. You need to configure the data source in
/etc/nsswitch.conf:

group: files cache ldap
passwd: files cache ldap

--=20
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Liontaur wrote:
> Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
> for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
> (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets
> me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able
> to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
> webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,
> or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
> express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
> have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
> also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
> Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
I guess you could start to look in the area of:

- /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
- /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
- /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
- /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail

As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get 
the same set of mailfolders (sync).


-- Frederique






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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
> (pop), stores the mail permanently, 

This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail
in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any
mail program to incorporate them.



> allows me webmail access, and also lets
> me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express).

Repeat after me: "Outlook Express" is NOT a mail client. :-)



> I'd like to be able
> to sync the mail with outlook express also.

Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
with it. :-)

I would suggest to use a standardized application, such
as M2 of Opera or Mozilla Thunderbird, or Sylpheed-Claws,
or pine, or mutt... there are many, and some of them are
even available in "Windows". Because they're using standard
mbox files for the mail messages, syncing them is quite
easy, because it can automatically be done on a per-file
basis. Another advantage of sticking to standards is that
you can instruct different mail applications to use the
same mbox files for their operations, in "mixed mode",
e. g. use Opera's M2 today, Thunderbird tomorrow, and
Sylpheed-Claws at the weekend.



> Like if I send a mail over
> webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express,

I can't imagine how this should be possible. Call the
MICROS~1 hotline and ask them. :-)



> or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
> express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
> have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll
> also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam.
> Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.

Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for
an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've
mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications,
because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis.
Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there
are free webmailers that you can run on your server.
If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping
local files and server files in sync is excellent.
There are good programs that cope with spam, such as
SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred
mail application.


> Thanks for any help you can offer folks!

Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe
you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to
start *not* using "Outlook Express", because it solves
nothing. :-)



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

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Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
> Liontaur wrote:
>> Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
>> for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
>> (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and 
>> also lets
>> me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be 
>> able
>> to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
>> webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook 
>> express,
>> or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
>> express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
>> have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook 
>> express. I'll
>> also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount 
>> of spam.
>> Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
> I guess you could start to look in the area of:
>
> - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
> - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
> - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
> - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail
>
> As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will 
> get the same set of mailfolders (sync).
>
>
> -- Frederique
>
I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, 
and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail.

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Hi,

I uninstalled firefox 2, installed firefox 3 and use it. Later,
portupgrade of librsvg2 began to build firefox 2 (I aborted it with ^C).
Then I specified

    "graphics/librsvg2" => "WITH_GECKO=xulrunner",

in MAKE_ARGS in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf . Now I'm trying to portupgrade
mplayer-plugin, it also tried to build firefox 2. I tried

    "www/mplayer-plugin" => "WITH_GECKO=xulrunner",

but that gave an error message (xulrunner isn't an option). So, I tried

    "www/mplayer-plugin" => "WITH_GECKO=libxul",

then:

> ===>  libxul-1.9.0.7_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
>       xulrunner-1.8.0.4_15
>
>       They install files into the same place.
>       Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).

What to do - to allow firefox2 to be installed along with firefox3?
Will they conflict?

Is Gecko a really necessary dependence of librsvg2 and mplayer-plugin
if they are invoked only from firefox3?  For what?

7.1-PRERELEASE (Oct 20) i386, linux_base-f8-8_11.

Thanks.

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Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I'd like to be able
>> to sync the mail with outlook express also.
> 
> Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
> their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
> with it. :-)

At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.

Outlook <> Outlook Express

Not even close.  And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express 
as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.  Outlook talking to 
an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.

At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay 
close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:01 -0400, Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> wrote:
> At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.
> 
> Outlook <> Outlook Express

Maybe. The original question included no reference to "Outlook"
but "Outlook Express". Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but I've
never used one of these products (as I have not used any product
by MICROS~1).



> Not even close. 

I've been told so.



> And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express 
> as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.  Outlook talking to 
> an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.

It wasn't clear what solution the poster initially expected,
but more and more I think IMAP would be the way to go. So
there's not much responsibility on the MICROS~1 side (which
is good). An IMAP system is quite easily set up with FreeBSD,
and there have already been good advices which programs to
employ for this purpose. The client on the user's site doesn't
matter much, as long as it does the IMAP communications.



> At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay 
> close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.

As I said, I never payed any attention to them, because I
don't consider them mail clients, but a bad excuse for not
being one. :-)



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On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 13:30 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
> Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
> > Liontaur wrote:
> >> Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
> >> for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
> >> (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and 
> >> also lets
> >> me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be 
> >> able
> >> to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
> >> webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook 
> >> express,
> >> or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
> >> express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
> >> have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook 
> >> express. I'll
> >> also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount 
> >> of spam.
> >> Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
> > I guess you could start to look in the area of:
> >
> > - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
> > - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
> > - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
> > - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail
> >
> > As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will 
> > get the same set of mailfolders (sync).
> >
> >
> > -- Frederique
> >
> I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, 
> and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail.
> _

Take a look at Hastymail too .. (version 2, because the port is still
version 1)
http://www.hastymail.org/

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:01:57PM +0300, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote:
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> Is Gecko a really necessary dependence of librsvg2 and mplayer-plugin
> if they are invoked only from firefox3?  For what?
> 
> 7.1-PRERELEASE (Oct 20) i386, linux_base-f8-8_11.

You need to replace your "xulrunner" references in pkgtools.conf with
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Hello. I'm receiving a lot of spam e-mails that links to your domain like to
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Please answer me.

Thanks,
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> Please answer me.
>

That is not the FreeBSD website.  The Official domain is 'freebsd.org'
not 'free-bsd.org'.

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In response to Roberto <jackal845@gmail.com>:

> Hello. I'm receiving a lot of spam e-mails that links to your domain like to
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> and many others. Can you stop this ? They sends mail to me
> through my website.

Thanks for your email, Roberto.

free-bsd.org is not the same as freebsd.org.  You're talking to the
wrong people.

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:37:29 -0600, Tim Judd <tajudd@gmail.com> wrote:
> > MS-DOS FAT32
>
> Ugh. :-)
>
>
>
> > Severely limited, but that is as close to as a universal filesystem as
> you
> > can get.
>
> Among BSDs, UFS / FFS should work. To get rid of the many
> limitations in the MS-DOS file system, tar is really the
> best solution. (I know this from interoperability works
> with many different UNIXes, such as BSDs, Solaris, IRIX
> and Mac OS X - even Linux can handle it without problems.)
> And it is not limited to a subset of media.
>
> I can only say: Avoid MICROS~1 stuff if possible. Not using
> it makes you happy afterwards. :-)
>


Speaking of...

Recently I'm seeing a new filesystem, exFAT (apparently to work with
excessively large filesystems).

Is exFAT compatible with the msdosfs filesystem in BSD?

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:43:56AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Tuesday, March 24, 2009 a las 07:24:26PM +0100, Juergen Lock escribió:
> 
> > While I don't remeber seeing reports about this particular issue, it is
> > still very well possible that it has been fixed in the meantime, so I'd
> > advise you to update.  (the port is at 0.10.1 now, which contains quite
> > a few bugfixes and improvements...  Don't forget to read UPDATING and
> > the pkg-message of the port tho.)
> > ...
> 
> I've port updated to:
> kqemu-kmod-devel-1.4.0.p1_2 Kernel Accelerator for QEMU CPU Emulator (development versi
> qemu-0.10.2         QEMU CPU Emulator
> 
> and the problem went away;
> 
That's good to hear. :)

> a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
> flag -no-shutdown does not help;

 Oh, yeah, same here.  I've just reported this on the qemu list, and btw
kvm seems to be affected too:
	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/362550/+viewstatus

 HTH,
	Juergen

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
> The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the 
> FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a 
> special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just "X".  You can 
> create as many partitions named "X" as you like.
> 
> Then the newfs will fail.
> 
> I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug 
> report about it.

Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,
the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

     The partition table can have up to 8 entries.  It contains the following
     information:

     #       The partition identifier is a single letter in the range `a' to
             `h'.  By convention, partition `c' is reserved to describe the
             entire disk.

Take away 'b' for swap, and 'c' for the whole disk, you can only
use 6 partitions per slice (including the root partition) on the
bootable slice. That's clearly not enough, esp. on big disks, and
with complex setups. :-(

> Mike
> -- 
> Michael David Crawford
> mdc@prgmr.com

-cpghost.

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 13:49, Jon Radel <jon@radel.com> wrote:

> Polytropon wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
>  I'd like to be able
>>> to sync the mail with outlook express also.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of
>> their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact
>> with it. :-)
>>
>
> At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused.
>
> Outlook <> Outlook Express
>
> Not even close.  And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a
> POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based.


I would not say that O.E. is standards based at all. MICROS~1 does what they
want, standards be damned


>  Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter.
>
> At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay
> close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients.
>
> --
>
> --Jon Radel
> jon@radel.com
>

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the normal output of the history command resembles:

    1  env
    2  ssh system1.somedomain.com
    3  scan cur

etc.

	On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?
Thank you.

Martin McCormick

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
> > (pop), stores the mail permanently,
>
> This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail
> in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any
> mail program to incorporate them.
>

fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that.


>
>
> > allows me webmail access, and also lets
> > me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express).
>
> Repeat after me: "Outlook Express" is NOT a mail client. :-)
>

The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs
access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate
and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach
them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this
email account.


> > or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
> > express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
> > have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express.
> I'll
> > also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of
> spam.
> > Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
>
> Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for
> an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've
> mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications,
> because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis.
> Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there
> are free webmailers that you can run on your server.
> If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping
> local files and server files in sync is excellent.
> There are good programs that cope with spam, such as
> SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred
> mail application.
>

IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server
i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows
workstation can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it
from wherever from my laptop too.


>
> > Thanks for any help you can offer folks!
>
> Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe
> you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to
> start *not* using "Outlook Express", because it solves
> nothing. :-)
>

Oh your comments are helpful, I don't care what everyone else says ;)

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Frederique Rijsdijk wrote:
> Liontaur wrote:
>> Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking
>> for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server
>> (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also
>> lets
>> me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be
>> able
>> to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over
>> webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook
>> express,
>> or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook
>> express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd
>> have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook
>> express. I'll
>> also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of
>> spam.
>> Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it.
> I guess you could start to look in the area of:
> 
> - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail)
> - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap)
> - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap)
> - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail
> 
> As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get
> the same set of mailfolders (sync).

If one is going that far, I'd recommend:

http://www.thenetworkpeople.biz/internet/mail/toaster/

I've been using them for many years, for thousands of accounts across
hundreds of domains, and it just works.

Steve

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2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
> [SOLVED]
>
> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.

I wasn't that lucky :)

I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
This is my loader.conf configuration:

legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"

And in my kernel config I have:

device          pci

device          wlan            # 802.11 support
device          wlan_wep        # 802.11 WEP support
device          wlan_ccmp       # 802.11 CCMP support
device          wlan_tkip       # 802.11 TKIP support
device          wlan_amrr       # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm
device          wlan_scan_ap    # 802.11 AP mode scanning
device          wlan_scan_sta   # 802.11 STA mode scanning

device          iwi             # For Intel Pro Wireless 2200bg

device          firmware        # firmware assist module

This is the output of ifconfig:

iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
	ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
	media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
	status: no carrier
	ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
	authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
	bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b 1 bintval 0

After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
interface up:

$ ifconfig iwi0 up

iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
enter FW state 1
firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
iwi0: could not load firmware
exit FW state 1
iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

>
> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains:
>>
>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>
>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
>> following in the xconsole:
>>
>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>
>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new to =
FreeBSD.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>>
>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>
>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below to
>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>>>> you think so?
>>>
>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>
>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-RE=
LEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>
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Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I uninstalled firefox 2, installed firefox 3 and use it. Later,
> portupgrade of librsvg2 began to build firefox 2 (I aborted it with ^C)=
=2E
> Then I specified
>=20
>     "graphics/librsvg2" =3D> "WITH_GECKO=3Dxulrunner",
>=20
> in MAKE_ARGS in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf . Now I'm trying to portup=
grade
> mplayer-plugin, it also tried to build firefox 2. I tried

Do a 'make config' in graphic/librsvg2 and disable the mozilla plugin
option.  It's not needed for firefox3 -- at least firefox is still happil=
y
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with WITH_GECKO=3Dlibxul in /etc/make.conf

	Cheers,

	Matthew

PS. Cross posting between different FreeBSD lists is frowned upon.
Even so, you missed out the freebsd-gecko@freebsd.org list...

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Martin McCormick wrote:
> the normal output of the history command resembles:
>=20
>     1  env
>     2  ssh system1.somedomain.com
>     3  scan cur
>=20
> etc.
>=20
> 	On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
> list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
> exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
> demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?
>

tcsh(1) includes timestamps in it's .history.  bash(1) doesn't.
Not sure about other shells, but the historical (ahem!) behaviour
of csh(1) was not to use timestamps, and I think most shells=20
subsequently developed have carried on the same history format, with
tcsh(1) being the exception.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> > 	In any case, there are
> > 	two questions for this list.  
> > 	The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> > 	would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
> Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
> your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
> 
> > 	The
> > 	second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
> I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
> kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
> probably are better forums.


	Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
	want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
	pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
	of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
	help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
	isn't the place to post for that:)

	tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
	slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
	page website that will get me going.?

	thanks much,

	gary




> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Uli.
> > 	gary
> > 
> > 

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:47:44AM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Peter Ulrich Kruppa
> <ulrich@pukruppa.net>wrote:
> 
> > Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> > >       In any case, there are
> > >       two questions for this list.
> > >       The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> > >       would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?
> > Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
> > your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
> >
> > >       The
> > >       second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
> > I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
> > kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
> > probably are better forums.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Uli.
> > >       gary
> > >
> >
> 
> It is very difficult to convey concepts or ideas with any complexity with
> slides alone.  Usually, slides should accompany and complement a
> presentation.


	I understand that much, and I have at least one file of preamble 
	"chatter" per section.  Some sections have 4 or 5 preamble
	mumblings that offer the user///reader a clue re my thinking.
	One thing I never forgot was that we all take away a slightly
	different set of concepts from what we read or see on the tube.
	Even from a painting or photo.  My chatter/mumblings are only my
	ideas, my guidelines.  I was surprised when my daughter drew
	something completely different from one thing I wrote.


> 
> If the document must stand alone (no speech, etc), and the content is of any
> complexity, I would advise not using slides.
> 
> For anyone using slides, I recommend the following book by Garr Reynolds:
> "Presentation Zen: Simple Ideas on Presentation Design and Delivery"
> 


	Thanks for the pointer.  I googled Reynolds' website and see that
	his book is available thru amazon.com.    this opens a whole new
	field of opportunity... .

	gary


> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Andrew

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I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:



   Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is

How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d

    *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot

*** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
  *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
  *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot

  *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 36: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 38: Malformed conditional (${MK_APM} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 40: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 42: Malformed conditional (${MK_BSNMP} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 44: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 46: Malformed conditional 
(${MK_FREEBSD_UPDATE} != "no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 48: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 50: Malformed conditional (${MK_LOCATE} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 52: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 58: Malformed conditional (${MK_MAIL} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 60: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 79: Malformed conditional (${MK_PORTSNAP} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 81: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 218: Malformed conditional (${MK_PPP} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 221: if-less endif
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 222: Malformed conditional (${MK_MAIL} != 
"no")
"/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 230: if-less endif
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue

   *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
       the temproot environment

Any suggestions?

 	Annelise

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On 4/23/09, cpghost <cpghost@cordula.ws> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
>> The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the
>> FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a
>> special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just "X".  You can
>> create as many partitions named "X" as you like.
>>
>> Then the newfs will fail.
>>
>> I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug
>> report about it.
>
> Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,

That problem is fixed in 8.0 with introducion of gpart(8)

> the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
> FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
> here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):
>
>      The partition table can have up to 8 entries.  It contains the
> following
>      information:
>
>      #       The partition identifier is a single letter in the range `a' to
>              `h'.  By convention, partition `c' is reserved to describe the
>              entire disk.
>
> Take away 'b' for swap, and 'c' for the whole disk, you can only
> use 6 partitions per slice (including the root partition) on the
> bootable slice. That's clearly not enough, esp. on big disks, and
> with complex setups. :-(
>
>> Mike
>> --
>> Michael David Crawford
>> mdc@prgmr.com
>
> -cpghost.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:10:50AM +0200, Paul B. Mahol wrote:
> On 4/23/09, cpghost <cpghost@cordula.ws> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:50:46AM -0700, Michael David Crawford wrote:
> >> The partitioner will allow you to create more partitions than the
> >> FreeBSD partition table will allow.  Rather than giving it the name of a
> >> special file in the /dev/directory, it will name it just "X".  You can
> >> create as many partitions named "X" as you like.
> >>
> >> Then the newfs will fail.
> >>
> >> I experienced this the other day, and have been meaning to file a bug
> >> report about it.
> >
> > Yes, this is a long standing problem. On one or both of {Open,Net}BSD,
> 
> That problem is fixed in 8.0 with introducion of gpart(8)
> 
> > the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
> > FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
> > here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):

Ah, gpart(8), good hint! Not yet familiar with that.

Apparently, it's already in 7.x. I have no spare disk right now to
give it a try. Would it already support 8+ partitions on RELENG_7,
or do we have to wait for 8.0?

> Paul

Thanks,
-cpghost.

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>> the number of possible partitions per slice is higher. I'd really wish
>> FreeBSD's bsdlabel(8) would allow for more partitions. The problem
>> here is not with sysinstall though. From bsdlabel(8):
that's isn't supported by sysinstall but you can partition a partition.

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What is the contents of your /etc/rc.conf file?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
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> 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>> [SOLVED]
>>
>> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.
>
> I wasn't that lucky :)
>
> I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
> This is my loader.conf configuration:
>
> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>
> And in my kernel config I have:
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pci
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_wep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 WEP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_ccmp =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 CCMP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_tkip =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 TKIP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_amrr =A0 =A0 =A0 # AMRR transmit rate cont=
rol algorithm
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_ap =A0 =A0# 802.11 AP mode scanning
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_sta =A0 # 802.11 STA mode scanning
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iwi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # For Intel Pro Wir=
eless 2200bg
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0firmware =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# firmware assist modul=
e
>
> This is the output of ifconfig:
>
> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b=
 1 bintval 0
>
> After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
> interface up:
>
> $ ifconfig iwi0 up
>
> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
> enter FW state 1
> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
> iwi0: could not load firmware
> exit FW state 1
> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>>
>> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains=
:
>>>
>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>>
>>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
>>> following in the xconsole:
>>>
>>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>>
>>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new to=
 FreeBSD.)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below to
>>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>>>>> you think so?
>>>>
>>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>>
>>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-R=
ELEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>
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Also, when you enter kldstat, do you see these?

iwi_bss.ko
iwi_ibss.ko
iwi_monitor.ko
if_iwi.ko

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
<fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>> [SOLVED]
>>
>> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.
>
> I wasn't that lucky :)
>
> I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
> This is my loader.conf configuration:
>
> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>
> And in my kernel config I have:
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pci
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_wep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 WEP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_ccmp =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 CCMP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_tkip =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 TKIP support
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_amrr =A0 =A0 =A0 # AMRR transmit rate cont=
rol algorithm
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_ap =A0 =A0# 802.11 AP mode scanning
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_sta =A0 # 802.11 STA mode scanning
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iwi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # For Intel Pro Wir=
eless 2200bg
>
> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0firmware =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# firmware assist modul=
e
>
> This is the output of ifconfig:
>
> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11b=
 1 bintval 0
>
> After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
> interface up:
>
> $ ifconfig iwi0 up
>
> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
> enter FW state 1
> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
> iwi0: could not load firmware
> exit FW state 1
> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>>
>> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contains=
:
>>>
>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>>
>>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
>>> following in the xconsole:
>>>
>>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>>
>>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new to=
 FreeBSD.)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below to
>>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>>>>> you think so?
>>>>
>>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>>
>>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-R=
ELEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>
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At 2009-04-23T15:31:51-05:00, Martin McCormick wrote:

> 	On occasion, I have seen a history output that shows the
> list of commands plus the time they were executed. I am not sure
> exactly how I got that output as I couldn't duplicate it on
> demand. Any ideas on what I did to get that alternative output?

In tcsh, one way to do that is `history -T'.

Raghavendra.

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu> wrote:
> I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
> stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
> the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:
>
>   Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is
>
> How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d
>
>    *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot
>
> *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
>  *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
>  *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot
>
>  *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
> "/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != "no")
> "/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 36: if-less endif
[...]
>
>   *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
>       the temproot environment
>
> Any suggestions?

Hi Annelise,

It seems you are running mergemaster with a new kernel but with the old
make(1) binary across a major release update.  Since part of the update
process spawned by mergemaster depends on `make' and the `/usr/share/mk'
files, you have to installworld before you can use the new megemaster
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The pre-buildworld mode of mergemaster (`mergemaster -p') should run
fine even with an old userland and old `/usr/share/mk' files.  But you
should install everything before you run a full mergemaster update of
all files in `/etc'.



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Am Donnerstag, den 23.04.2009, 14:36 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> > > 	In any case, there are
> > > 	two questions for this list.  
> > > 	The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> > > 	would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
> > Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
> > your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
> > 
> > > 	The
> > > 	second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
> > I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
> > kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
> > probably are better forums.
> 
> 
> 	Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
> 	want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
> 	pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
> 	of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
> 	help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
> 	isn't the place to post for that:)
Please do excuse my limited possibilites in the english language:
But the question of design and medium is quite deeply connected with the
kind of content you wish to communicate.
For example:
A slideshow format needs sort of a linear argumentation like this:
	(1)-->(2)-->(3)-->(4)--> ...

HTML permits multiple lines of argumentation and crossreferences like
this
            _->(2a)-->(3a)-->(4a)--> ...
           /
	(1)--->(2b)-->(3b)-->(4b)--> ...
                \           /
                  --->(3c)--             
A slideshow is a one-way communication from you to your readers, HTML as
for example used in a wiki allows interaction with your readers
(comments, own contributions,...)

Thus it might not at all be possible to convert HTML to a slide show.
You will have to decide which kind of medium fits your content best.


> 
> 	tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
> 	slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
> 	page website that will get me going.?
When you have decided to use openoffice-impress you can find a first
manual on http://documentation.openoffice.org/

Greetings

Uli.

> 	thanks much,
> 
> 	gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Uli.
> > > 	gary
> > > 
> > > 
> 

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Am Donnerstag, den 23.04.2009, 14:36 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:38:25PM +0200, Peter Ulrich Kruppa wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 00:23 -0700 schrieb Gary Kline:
> > > 	In any case, there are
> > > 	two questions for this list.  
> > > 	The first, obviously, is subjective and is:
> > > 	would having my stuff in slideshow fmt gain me a wider readership?  
> > Yes. Any sort of attractive presentation will draw more attention to
> > your content than ordinary text without any pictures or animations.
> > 
> > > 	The
> > > 	second is:  anybody out there willing to clue me in on this stuff?
> > I have always made very good experiences with technical questions of all
> > kind on this list. Regarding your contents or lay-out and design there
> > probably are better forums.
> 
> 
> 	Hm, okay.  WEll, there's not really any layout or design.   I may
> 	want to change the one .jpg file that i created.  Maybe givve the
> 	pages a different background or font, but that's the limitation
> 	of my ``artistic'' abilities.   Sound, music/page might be a
> 	help; I'll need volunteer help with this, and the -questions list
> 	isn't the place to post for that:)
> 
> 	tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
> 	slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
> 	page website that will get me going.?
> 
> 	thanks much,
> 
> 	gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Uli.
> > > 	gary
> > > 
> > > 
> 

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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:54:25 -0700 (PDT), Annelise Anderson <andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> I'm running mergemaster as root (-v -i -c) on an upgrade to
>> stable (I rebooted with the new kernel but have not done
>> the install) and can't run mergemaster, with result as follows:
>>
>>   Default is to use /var/tmp/temproot as is
>>
>> How should I deal with this? [Use the existing /var/tmp/temproot] d
>>
>>    *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot
>>
>> *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
>>  *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
>>  *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot
>>
>>  *** Press the [Enter] or [Return] key to continue
>> "/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 34: Malformed conditional (${MK_AMD} != "no")
>> "/usr/src/etc/Makefile", line 36: if-less endif
> [...]
>>
>>   *** FATAL ERROR: Cannot 'cd' to /usr/src/etc and install files to
>>       the temproot environment
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Hi Annelise,
>
> It seems you are running mergemaster with a new kernel but with the old
> make(1) binary across a major release update.  Since part of the update
> process spawned by mergemaster depends on `make' and the `/usr/share/mk'
> files, you have to installworld before you can use the new megemaster
> script.
>
> The pre-buildworld mode of mergemaster (`mergemaster -p') should run
> fine even with an old userland and old `/usr/share/mk' files.  But you
> should install everything before you run a full mergemaster update of
> all files in `/etc'.
>
Right you are.  Thanks.  Now I understand what I was reading in UPDATING.

 	Annelise

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The procedure to install xorg suggested in Sec 5 of the Handbook does not work for my Acer Aspire 4730Z laptop running 7.0 amd64 GENERIC.
I get "no screen available" with the vesa driver and a very low resolution X with the vga driver.  Any suggestions for a xorg.conf file that will work.  It uses the Intel 4 express chip.

Any help appreciated.

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On Wednesday 22 of April 2009 21:27:39 Fritz wrote:
> Hi,
> ... When are you going to build
> a modern installer for FreeBSD?

If I can add my 2 cents to this entire discusion, it will be nice if will be 
the TUI which is similar to TUI done in Debian Lenny installer. You can do 
simply next and back option, you can easily choose betwen e.g ext3 or 
reiserfs. It will be nice if we can also do it in FreeBSD e.g UFS or ZFS or 
something else in future. Add repositories (Linux) add csup sites (FreeBSD) 
and so one.

What do you think about that?

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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that.

I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is
that you can use it for more than just one POP account.



> The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs
> access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate
> and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach
> them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this
> email account.

Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the
"Outlook Express" icon. They won't notice any difference. But
recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-)

Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the
background - "the backend"), but I prefer a real mail program.
That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can
access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're
at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your
idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good.



> IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server
> i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows
> workstation [...]

Computer with "Windows" == PC; Computer with UNIX == Workstation. :-)



> [...] can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it
> from wherever from my laptop too.

And you can even integrate a standard mail client (e. g. Thunderbird)
in this setting to have your mail done more comfortable, without
interfering with what's already done.




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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:36:25 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> 	tHat said: how can I experiement with translating my html into 
> 	slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
> 	page website that will get me going.?

For a "real slideshow" in terms of projected presentation,
maybe you want to check the foiltex package (port: textproc/foiltex)
and create a PDF file with it, using LaTeX. The advantage
is that it can be easily turned into plain text if needed
(e. g. for speech synthesis). Along with xpdf (also from
the ports), you can do:

	% xpdf -fullscreen <presentation>

If you want the slides HTML based, an option would be to
create a script that reads the "big" HTML source and splits
it into "small" slides with less text, according to a template.
But I think it's still neccessary to put hands on it to get
things like document structure right.


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I want to install acroread. 
I have FreeBSD7/amd64.
Linux binary compatibility is installed:.
  linux_base-fc-4_13  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64)
/etc/rc.conf contains 
linux_enable="YES"

# cd /usr/ports/print/acroread9
# make install clean
fetches and installs several 'linux' packages
then:
pango-1.10.2-1.gst.1.4.i386.rpm
===>  Checking if x11-toolkits/linux-pango already installed
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango/work && /usr/bin/find * -type d -exec /bi
n/mkdir -p "/compat/linux/{}" \;
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango/work && /usr/bin/find * ! -type d | /usr/
bin/cpio -pm -R root:wheel /compat/linux
1437 blocks
/compat/linux/usr/bin/pango-querymodules-32: error while loading shared librarie
s: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director
y
*** Error code 127

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-pango.

Did  make install clean  again
continues to install packages, but
libtiff-3.7.1-6.fc4.2.i386.rpm
===>  Checking if x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2 already installed
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2/work && /usr/bin/find * -type d -exec /bin
/mkdir -p "/compat/linux/{}" \;
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2/work && /usr/bin/find * ! -type d | /usr/b
in/cpio -pm -R root:wheel /compat/linux
28726 blocks
/usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0-32: error while loading shared libraries: libgm
odule-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
*** Error code 127

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2.

Did  make install clean  again
continues to install packages, but
scim-libs-1.4.4-1.fc4.i386.rpm
===>  Checking if textproc/linux-scim-gtk already installed
cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-gtk/work && /usr/bin/find * -type d -exec /bin
/mkdir -p "/compat/linux/{}" \;
cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-gtk/work && /usr/bin/find * ! -type d | /usr/b
in/cpio -pm -R root:wheel /compat/linux
281 blocks
/usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0-32: error while loading shared libraries: libgm
odule-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
*** Error code 127

Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-gtk.


Did  make install clean  again
continues to install ..
..
===>   Registering installation for acroread9-9.1.0_2
...
===>  Cleaning for acroreadwrapper-0.0.20090328
===>  Cleaning for linux-atk-1.9.1_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-cairo-1.0.2_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-expat-1.95.8_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_8
===>  Cleaning for linux-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0.18.fc4.2_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-jpeg-6b.34_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-libxml2-2.6.19_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-pango-1.10.2_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-png-1.2.8_3
===>  Cleaning for linux-scim-gtk-fc4-1.4.4_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-scim-libs-fc4-1.4.4_2
===>  Cleaning for linux-tiff-3.7.1_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_6
===>  Cleaning for linux-nvu-1.0_1
===>  Cleaning for linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2
===>  Cleaning for acroread9-9.1.0_2

I now have /usr/local/bin/acroread, but:
$ acroread
/usr/local/Adobe/Reader9/ENU/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

what went wrong during the installation
and how to remedy?

Previously on another FreeBSD7 system, I could install acroread7 without
problem.



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=46riday 24 April 2009 09:26:40 John Beukema napisa=B3(a):
> The procedure to install xorg suggested in Sec 5 of the Handbook does not
> work for my Acer Aspire 4730Z laptop running 7.0 amd64 GENERIC. I get "no
> screen available" with the vesa driver and a very low resolution X with t=
he
> vga driver.  Any suggestions for a xorg.conf file that will work.  It uses

I don't know what you mean saying
> the Intel 4 express chip.
But if it is Intel graphics then try installing xf86-video-intel driver fro=
m=20
ports. If it will not help post more info what is your video card in this=20
laptop.

Regards,
Maciej Milewski

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Since several months after a upgrade from OpenLDAP 2.4.11 to the most 
recent one I have trouble login in on machines which authenticate users 
via OpenLDAP.

The OpenLDAP server is at the momen a FreeBSD 7.2 box running most 
recent OpenLDAP from ports. The follwoing is also true for each OpenLDAP 
2.4.16 I've running on most recent FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT boxes.

I can't login via ssh anymore! For first circumvention of the problem I 
installed local users, so I can login via them.

Here what I can and what not:

I can enumerate each user in the OpenLDAP DIT via id I wish
I can use the OpenLDAP server to login on a samba share
I can 'su' to users having their account stuff in the OpenLDAP DIT

Whenever I (or any other user) try to login to a host which does 
PAMyfied authentication to LDAP servers (whihc worked weeks ago 
perfectly), I (or he) gets this:

sshd[1414]: fatal: login_get_lastlog: Cannot find account for uid 1000

Loggin the console messages on the server shows this:

sshd[482]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Server is unavailable

sshd[482]: fatal: login_get_lastlog: Cannot find account for uid 1000


I tried to reconfigure /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the host side, restored 
it with a version that worked long before and then tried to reconfigure 
it by scratch, beginning from default. No success.
Due to the fact other services can autheticate without problems via 
LDAP, this must have to do with SSH and/or the way it is implemented in 
FreeBSD.

Please help.

Regards,
Oliver

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We run a bunch of FreeBSD boxes, some FreeBSD 7.2, others (most) FreeBSD 
8.0-CURRENT (most amd64).

These boxes manage their users via OpenLDAP 2.4.XX. Before we did an 
upgrade to OpenLDAP 2.4.15/16, everything was all right. Now, after 
nearly all of our OpenLDAP servers has been upgraded to 2.4.16, users 
can not log in via ssh onto their hosts for work. Because this is at 
this very moment a very small scientific test facility I circumvent 
problems by having local accounts the traditional way.

When users try to login on a workstation via ssh the connection gets 
closed after they provided their password, sending this error:

sshd[3997]: fatal: login_get_lastlog: Cannot find account for uid 2000 
(or whatever UID is provided)


Sshd on server side is configured to use PAM and both pam_ldap and 
nss_ldap are installed, up to date, recompiled to match OpenLDAP 2.4.16. 
Besides, OpenLDAP 2.4.11/13/14/15.16 uses DB4.7 on our installation.

The funny thing is that this problem occured immediately and 
synchronously on all clients and OpenLDAP servers when moved from 2.4.11 
to 2.4.16/db47. On the other hand, and also very funny and confusing, I 
can enumerate very UID in the home directory, I can su to every user 
managed by LDAP, I can 'su' to users, users are able to authenticate 
themselves when using SAMBA (also OpenLDAP backed) and autheticate 
web-users when accessing restricted pages on our site secured by 
OpenLDAP backed authetication (lighttpd). But no one is capable of log 
in via ssh!

The situation is very frustrating. I do not see anything suspicious when 
tracking OpenLDAP's logs (ACL/stats), nor do I see anythng weird when 
looking at sshd's logs. I need help to track down this problem.

When I search the net for the above mentioned specific error message I 
got a lot of trouble-reports concerning nss_ldap and sshd, but those 
were related to 2003/2005.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Oliver

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El día Thursday, April 23, 2009 a las 10:22:52PM +0200, Juergen Lock escribió:

> > a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
> > flag -no-shutdown does not help;
> 
>  Oh, yeah, same here.  I've just reported this on the qemu list, and btw
> kvm seems to be affected too:
> 	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/362550/+viewstatus

another issue is, when I'm using:

       -kernel-kqemu
           Enable KQEMU full virtualization (default is user mode only).

the guest system (XP SP3) crashes short after coming up; without
-kernel-kqemu I'm not sure if Qemu does make use of the kqemu.ko, it is
so slow, esp. on disk i/o; I have loaded kqemu.ko on boot and if Qemu is
up I can't kldunload it; but I really don't know if it makes use of it;

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Dear list,

After upgrading Xorg from ports to the latest version
xorg-server-1.6.0,1
xorg-7.4_1

I am experiencing very unpleasant phenomenon, Xorg randomly exiting with me=
ssage:

Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kernel: pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
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With best regards,
Ott K=F6stner







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	As a computer user who happens to be blind and who has
done a ton of FreeBSD installs the headless way, I hope any new
installer will not absolutely require a GUI. If it can run in a
GUI mode, fine, but I hope it will still let one connect via a
serial port and direct the process that way.

	If the simple stuff works, there are less chances for
the law of unintended consequences to rule.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
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Matthew Seaman writes:
> tcsh(1) includes timestamps in it's .history.  bash(1) doesn't.
> Not sure about other shells, but the historical (ahem!) behaviour
> 
> of csh(1) was not to use timestamps, and I think most shells subsequently
> developed have carried on the same history format, with
> 
> tcsh(1) being the exception.

	Thanks to you and "N. Raghavendra" <raghu@mri.ernet.in>
for your help. That has got to be what I did. On the times I
have seen this, I was in a hurry and may have somehow invoked
tcsh as I never use it normally. The prompt defaults to a >
symbol. If one runs the command tcsh history, tcsh gives an
error as there is no such file called history but if you launch
tcsh at the command prompt and then execute history, that is the
very output I was talking about. I am still not sure how I
didn't notice the different prompt and the fact that I was in
some other kind of shell, but I guess some of us are crazier
than we like to admit.

	At least I now know what generates that output and why I
couldn't find anything in the bash documentation. The closest I
get to tcsh is csh in root.

Again, many thanks.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Ott K=F6stner <ottk@zzz.ee> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> After upgrading Xorg from ports to the latest version
> xorg-server-1.6.0,1
> xorg-7.4_1
>
> I am experiencing very unpleasant phenomenon, Xorg randomly exiting with =
message:
>
> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kernel: pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kdm-bin[1020]: X server for display :0 terminated une=
xpectedly
>
> Also, there is a strange behavior with dual-head mode -- when moving curs=
or from one screen to another, the little white arrow remains on the other =
screen.
>
> Please help! What might it be? Recompiled probably everything related to =
Xorg. Using Nvidia driver version
> nvidia-driver-96.43.11

I'm no expert, but to help those that are, I suggest that you post the
contents of your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log (perhaps a dmesg, too).


>
> With best regards,
> Ott K=F6stner
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> done a ton of FreeBSD installs the headless way, I hope any new
> installer will not absolutely require a GUI. If it can run in a
> GUI mode, fine, but I hope it will still let one connect via a
> serial port and direct the process that way.

as you can do everything easily in text mode, it just points out that GUI 
installer is nonsense.

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>> a modern installer for FreeBSD?
>
> If I can add my 2 cents to this entire discusion, it will be nice if will be
> the TUI which is similar to TUI done in Debian Lenny installer. You can do
> simply next and back option, you can easily choose betwen e.g ext3 or
> reiserfs. It will be nice if we can also do it in FreeBSD e.g UFS or ZFS or
> something else in future. Add repositories (Linux) add csup sites (FreeBSD)
> and so one.
>

that's good ideas - something about FUNCTIONALITY instead of look.

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:34:01PM +0200, Ivan Voras typed:
> O. Hartmann wrote:
> > Since several months after a upgrade from OpenLDAP 2.4.11 to the most
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> 
> I've just installed a fresh machine with FreeBSD 7.2 amd64 and OpenLDAP
> 2.4.latest and it works. The only difference might be that I'm using nscd.
> 
> Have you modified /etc/pam.d files?

I had a problem with nss_ldap and openldap over ssl. This patch fixed it:

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=133501&cat=ports

Ruben



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Hi,

I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd  
and pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a  
desktop compared to pc-bsd? Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and  
will freebsd recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not  
regularly, how can I get freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory?  
Will freebsd be able to recognize the latest technologies, like
intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any  
speed like 7200 rpm? I don't know any kind of code so is there any  
books or any kind of resources that you recommend I look at?
Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop  
and I do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have  
to, and I think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.


Thank you,
Michael Haid

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i had some trouble because of corrupted indices with ldap. running 
slapindex fixed, it. can you try that?

alwin

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Michael Jr. <mjrhaid@windstream.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd and
> pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a desktop
> compared to pc-bsd? Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and will freebsd
> recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not regularly, how can I get
> freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory? Will freebsd be able to
> recognize the latest technologies, like
> intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any speed
> like 7200 rpm? I don't know any kind of code so is there any books or any
> kind of resources that you recommend I look at?

Have you looked at . . . I mean read . .  the PC-BSD and/or freeBSD
sites? pcbsd.org freebsd.org

> Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop and I
> do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have to, and I
> think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.



>
>
> Thank you,
> Michael Haid
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> Also, when you enter kldstat, do you see these?
>
> iwi_bss.ko
> iwi_ibss.ko
> iwi_monitor.ko
> if_iwi.ko

No. Shouldn't they be in-kerne?

I compiled my own kernel with the settings I posted in my previous
mail, including device firmware, iwi, wlan, etc.

Cheers
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
> <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>> [SOLVED]
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.
>>
>> I wasn't that lucky :)
>>
>> I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
>> This is my loader.conf configuration:
>>
>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>
>> And in my kernel config I have:
>>
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pci
>>
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 support
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_wep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 WEP support
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_ccmp =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 CCMP support
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_tkip =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 TKIP support
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_amrr =A0 =A0 =A0 # AMRR transmit rate con=
trol algorithm
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_ap =A0 =A0# 802.11 AP mode scanning
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_sta =A0 # 802.11 STA mode scanning
>>
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iwi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # For Intel Pro Wi=
reless 2200bg
>>
>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0firmware =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# firmware assist modu=
le
>>
>> This is the output of ifconfig:
>>
>> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate11=
b 1 bintval 0
>>
>> After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
>> interface up:
>>
>> $ ifconfig iwi0 up
>>
>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>> enter FW state 1
>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>> iwi0: could not load firmware
>> exit FW state 1
>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>>
>>> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contain=
s:
>>>>
>>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>>>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>>>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>>>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>>>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>>>
>>>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>>>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive the
>>>> following in the xconsole:
>>>>
>>>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>>>
>>>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new t=
o FreeBSD.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. You
>>>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below t=
o
>>>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. Do
>>>>>> you think so?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1-=
RELEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>
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Hi,

I'm trying to get a python script to run from /etc/crontab, but it
won't work.

I've read about the most common issues being related to paths, but my
script uses no paths at all.

This is my /etc/crontab line:

*/5     *       *       *       *
munin   /usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py >> /var/log/myscript.log

I used munin user because i already have it (can i run it under
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Apr 24 18:00:01 triton /usr/sbin/cron[4361]: (munin) CMD
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>> /var/log/myscript.log)


However the script doesn't seem to run at all.

Obviously it works if i run it stand-alone, as any user.
I'm running 7.1-RELEASE-p4, i386.

What am i doing wrong?

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They should be, yes. I would try loading the modules (kldload) just to
be sure. If loading the modules doesn't fix things, then it's safe to
assume they were compiled in kernel. (But then again, I'm certainly
not an expert in this area.)

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
<fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> Also, when you enter kldstat, do you see these?
>>
>> iwi_bss.ko
>> iwi_ibss.ko
>> iwi_monitor.ko
>> if_iwi.ko
>
> No. Shouldn't they be in-kerne?
>
> I compiled my own kernel with the settings I posted in my previous
> mail, including device firmware, iwi, wlan, etc.
>
> Cheers
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
>> <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>> [SOLVED]
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.
>>>
>>> I wasn't that lucky :)
>>>
>>> I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
>>> This is my loader.conf configuration:
>>>
>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>>
>>> And in my kernel config I have:
>>>
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pci
>>>
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 support
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_wep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 WEP support
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_ccmp =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 CCMP support
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_tkip =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 TKIP support
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_amrr =A0 =A0 =A0 # AMRR transmit rate co=
ntrol algorithm
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_ap =A0 =A0# 802.11 AP mode scanning
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_sta =A0 # 802.11 STA mode scanning
>>>
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iwi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # For Intel Pro W=
ireless 2200bg
>>>
>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0firmware =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# firmware assist mod=
ule
>>>
>>> This is the output of ifconfig:
>>>
>>> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate1=
1b 1 bintval 0
>>>
>>> After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
>>> interface up:
>>>
>>> $ ifconfig iwi0 up
>>>
>>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>>> enter FW state 1
>>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>>> iwi0: could not load firmware
>>> exit FW state 1
>>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now contai=
ns:
>>>>>
>>>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>>>>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>
>>>>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>>>>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive th=
e
>>>>> following in the xconsole:
>>>>>
>>>>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new =
to FreeBSD.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>>>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>>>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. Yo=
u
>>>>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below =
to
>>>>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. D=
o
>>>>>>> you think so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>>>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>>>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>>>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.1=
-RELEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:08:13 +0300
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> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to get a python script to run from /etc/crontab, but it
> won't work.
> 
> I've read about the most common issues being related to paths, but my
> script uses no paths at all.
> 
> This is my /etc/crontab line:
> 
> */5     *       *       *       *
> munin   /usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> >> /var/log/myscript.log
> 
> I used munin user because i already have it (can i run it under
> 'nobody'?).
> 
> This is what /var/log/cron says:
> 
> Apr 24 18:00:01 triton /usr/sbin/cron[4361]: (munin) CMD
> (/usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> >> /var/log/myscript.log)
> 
> 
> However the script doesn't seem to run at all.
> 
> Obviously it works if i run it stand-alone, as any user.
> I'm running 7.1-RELEASE-p4, i386.
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works.
Why won't it work as any other user?
Permissions for myscript.py are 555.

-- 
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Ghirai.

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ghirai <ghirai@ghirai.com> wrote:
>
> Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works.
> Why won't it work as any other user?
> Permissions for myscript.py are 555.
>

Who owns the file?


-- 
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Hello,

Subscribed in a FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish, I've got a pointer to
this software:

http://win4bsd.com/wp/win4bsd-free-for-non-commercial-use/

Any comments about or test results in compare with Qemu?
Thx

	matthias
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:17:13 -0400
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> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Ghirai <ghirai@ghirai.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works.
> > Why won't it work as any other user?
> > Permissions for myscript.py are 555.
> >
> 
> Who owns the file?
> 

root:wheel

-- 
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Wojciech Puchar writes:
> as you can do everything easily in text mode, it just points out that GUI
> installer is nonsense.

	The real problem happens when the GUI is considered to
be all anybody needs. 

	A certain wide-spread OS has gone that way and many
times, one discovers that this or that application has no
keyboard substitute for a given mouse action. One can be running
one of the several rather expensive commercial solutions that
allow those who are blind to use the OS, but in the case of
applications, each one is its own world. If the developer failed
to build in a keyboard equivalent for a given mouse action, it
is game over. There is no Plan B.

	Three guesses as to the name of that OS and the first 2
don't count.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> They should be, yes. I would try loading the modules (kldload) just to
> be sure. If loading the modules doesn't fix things, then it's safe to
> assume they were compiled in kernel. (But then again, I'm certainly
> not an expert in this area.)

I can't load the modules because they don't exist as modules. However,
the wireless card is detected, so the driver should be in-kernel (in
opposition to loading the GENERIC kernel which lacks the iwi driver
and my NIC is not shown by ifconfig).

The debug.iwi=3D1 doesn't help much. It just says it can't load the
firmware, but it doesn't give any clues about the reason.

Any ideas?

PS: jut out of curiosity, where is the firmware in the filesystem? Is
it also compiled in-kernel?

Thanks in advance.

>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
> <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>>> Also, when you enter kldstat, do you see these?
>>>
>>> iwi_bss.ko
>>> iwi_ibss.ko
>>> iwi_monitor.ko
>>> if_iwi.ko
>>
>> No. Shouldn't they be in-kerne?
>>
>> I compiled my own kernel with the settings I posted in my previous
>> mail, including device firmware, iwi, wlan, etc.
>>
>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Fernando Apestegu=EDa
>>> <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 2009/4/23 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>> [SOLVED]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the help, folks. It works fine now.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't that lucky :)
>>>>
>>>> I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12
>>>> This is my loader.conf configuration:
>>>>
>>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>>>
>>>> And in my kernel config I have:
>>>>
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0pci
>>>>
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 support
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_wep =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# 802.11 WEP support
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_ccmp =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 CCMP support
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_tkip =A0 =A0 =A0 # 802.11 TKIP support
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_amrr =A0 =A0 =A0 # AMRR transmit rate c=
ontrol algorithm
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_ap =A0 =A0# 802.11 AP mode scannin=
g
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wlan_scan_sta =A0 # 802.11 STA mode scanning
>>>>
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0iwi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 # For Intel Pro =
Wireless 2200bg
>>>>
>>>> device =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0firmware =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# firmware assist mo=
dule
>>>>
>>>> This is the output of ifconfig:
>>>>
>>>> iwi0: flags=3D8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ether 00:0e:35:fd:aa:0f
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0status: no carrier
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 10 scanvalid 60 bgscan
>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11b 7 roam:rate=
11b 1 bintval 0
>>>>
>>>> After seting debug.iwi=3D1 this is what I get when I try to bring the
>>>> interface up:
>>>>
>>>> $ ifconfig iwi0 up
>>>>
>>>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>>>> enter FW state 1
>>>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>>>> iwi0: could not load firmware
>>>> exit FW state 1
>>>> iwi_newstate: INIT -> INIT flags 0x0
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/4/22 Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Thanks Patrick. =A0After updating my /boot/loader.conf, it now conta=
ins:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=3D1
>>>>>> iwi_bss_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> iwi_ibss_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> iwi_monitor_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> wlan_scan_ap_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> wlan_scan_sta_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> wlan_wep_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> wlan_tkip_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>> wlan_ccmp_load=3D"YES"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I no longer receive the error message about failing to load the
>>>>>> firmware. However, when I enter "ifconfig iwi0 up scan", I receive t=
he
>>>>>> following in the xconsole:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iwi0: firmware stuck in state4, resetting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any idea what that means, or what state4 is? =A0(Sorry, I'm very new=
 to FreeBSD.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/4/22 Patrick Lamaizi=E8re <patfbsd@davenulle.org>:
>>>>>>> Le Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:04:41 -0400,
>>>>>>> Daniel Underwood <djuatdelta@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After re-reading man iwi, I noticed that it says:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This driver requires firmware to be loaded before it will work. Y=
ou
>>>>>>>> need to obtain iwicontrol(8) =A0from the IWI web page listed below=
 to
>>>>>>>> accomplish loading the firmware before ifconfig(8) =A0will work."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm going to look into this. Sounds like this may be the problem. =
Do
>>>>>>>> you think so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, before FreeBSD 7 you needed to download the firmware.
>>>>>>> There is a port in /usr/ports/net/iwi-firmware but it is only for
>>>>>>> FreeBSD < 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need anything on FreeBSD 7.x and you it seems you are not
>>>>>>> using the right manual page for 7.1:
>>>>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Diwi&manpath=3DFreeBSD+7.=
1-RELEASE&format=3Dhtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>
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Usually, when cron tries to run something unsuccessfully, an
error message goes to root. You might look at root's mail to see
if there are any complaints regarding this script. They could be
anything from path-related troubles to permissions, etc.

The mail may also be going to the user defined in the
/etc/crontab table who field so you might find something there.
There should be some tracks unless you have piped the output to
/dev/null 2>&1 which will send both standard output and standard
error to the great bit bucket in the sky.

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 06:14:26PM +0300, Ghirai wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:08:13 +0300
> Ghirai <ghirai@ghirai.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to get a python script to run from /etc/crontab, but it
> > won't work.
> > 
> > I've read about the most common issues being related to paths, but my
> > script uses no paths at all.
> > 
> > This is my /etc/crontab line:
> > 
> > */5     *       *       *       *
> > munin   /usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> > >> /var/log/myscript.log
> > 
> > I used munin user because i already have it (can i run it under
> > 'nobody'?).
> > 
> > This is what /var/log/cron says:
> > 
> > Apr 24 18:00:01 triton /usr/sbin/cron[4361]: (munin) CMD
> > (/usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> > >> /var/log/myscript.log)
> > 
> > 
> > However the script doesn't seem to run at all.
> > 
> > Obviously it works if i run it stand-alone, as any user.
> > I'm running 7.1-RELEASE-p4, i386.
> > 
> > What am i doing wrong?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> 
> Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works.
> Why won't it work as any other user?
> Permissions for myscript.py are 555.

Isn't /etc/crontab the root cron and should not be used by users?

To set up a crontab for a user, do:     crontab -e
while logged in as that user.   You can also do it from root
by using the   -u user_name   option in the command, eg.  if
the user is joe     crontab -u joe -e    

You should never edit the tab files directly.

You may also have to set up  /var/cron/allow  and  /var/cron/deny  files.

In addition, the ownership and permissions on the files/scripts
you are trying to run from cron must be correct.

////jerry


////jerry    
    
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Ghirai.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:39:21 -0400
Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 06:14:26PM +0300, Ghirai wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:08:13 +0300
> > Ghirai <ghirai@ghirai.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to get a python script to run from /etc/crontab, but it
> > > won't work.
> > > 
> > > I've read about the most common issues being related to paths,
> > > but my script uses no paths at all.
> > > 
> > > This is my /etc/crontab line:
> > > 
> > > */5     *       *       *       *
> > > munin   /usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> > > >> /var/log/myscript.log
> > > 
> > > I used munin user because i already have it (can i run it under
> > > 'nobody'?).
> > > 
> > > This is what /var/log/cron says:
> > > 
> > > Apr 24 18:00:01 triton /usr/sbin/cron[4361]: (munin) CMD
> > > (/usr/local/bin/python /root/myscript.py
> > > >> /var/log/myscript.log)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However the script doesn't seem to run at all.
> > > 
> > > Obviously it works if i run it stand-alone, as any user.
> > > I'm running 7.1-RELEASE-p4, i386.
> > > 
> > > What am i doing wrong?
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > 
> > Ok i just changed 'who' column to root and it works.
> > Why won't it work as any other user?
> > Permissions for myscript.py are 555.
> 
> Isn't /etc/crontab the root cron and should not be used by users?
> 
> To set up a crontab for a user, do:     crontab -e
> while logged in as that user.   You can also do it from root
> by using the   -u user_name   option in the command, eg.  if
> the user is joe     crontab -u joe -e    
> 
> You should never edit the tab files directly.
> 
> You may also have to set up  /var/cron/allow  and  /var/cron/deny
> files.
> 
> In addition, the ownership and permissions on the files/scripts
> you are trying to run from cron must be correct.
> 
> ////jerry

Alright, i added the cron for 'nobody' as above, and it seems to work.

Thanks everyone.

-- 
Regards,
Ghirai.

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Neal Hogan wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Ott Köstner <ottk@zzz.ee> wrote:
>   
>> Dear list,
>>
>> After upgrading Xorg from ports to the latest version
>> xorg-server-1.6.0,1
>> xorg-7.4_1
>>
>> I am experiencing very unpleasant phenomenon, Xorg randomly exiting with message:
>>
>> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kernel: pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
>> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kdm-bin[1020]: X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
>>
>> Also, there is a strange behavior with dual-head mode -- when moving cursor from one screen to another, the little white arrow remains on the other screen.
>>
>> Please help! What might it be? Recompiled probably everything related to Xorg. Using Nvidia driver version
>> nvidia-driver-96.43.11
>>     
>
> I'm no expert, but to help those that are, I suggest that you post the
> contents of your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log (perhaps a dmesg, too).
>
>   
After the crash Xorg is instantly restarted. Probably there is no reason 
to copy the whole log here. Everything looks normal for some time and 
then it restarts just at a random moment. No reason to blame hardware. 
It was stable before pre-previous Xorg server update (over 100 days uptime).

Ill-effects started after I upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3. Mouse buttons 
started to freeze randomly. That is why I chose to upgrade to 
xorg-server-1.6.0.
Xorg.0.log.old ends like this:
...
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
        compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 1.4.0
        Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
        ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Device: "/dev/sysmouse"
(==) PS/2 Mouse: Protocol: "Auto"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: always reports core events
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
(==) PS/2 Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) PS/2 Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Buttons: 9
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Sensitivity: 1
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
(**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
(**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00
(**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms
(**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) set acceleration profile 0
(II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
(II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting


Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.x.org
 for help.
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional 
information.

(II) UnloadModule: "kbd"
(II) UnloadModule: "mouse"
(II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources
(II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources

----------------------------------------------------------

# dmesg | tail -n 15
pid 6766 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
pid 6787 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 6796 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 6478 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
pid 7710 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
pid 7727 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 7730 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
pid 8095 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
pid 8112 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 8115 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 7797 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
pid 47182 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
pid 47199 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
pid 47200 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11



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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:

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> Hello,
>
> Subscribed in a FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish, I've got a pointer to
> this software:
>
> http://win4bsd.com/wp/win4bsd-free-for-non-commercial-use/
>
> Any comments about or test results in compare with Qemu?
> Thx
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I played with win4bsd for awhile.  It works well for normal desktop usage.
Unfortunately, virtual os setups do not handle complex data analysis of
extremely large data sets well.  I think it has to do with memory
usage/management.  Otherwise, I liked win4bsd a lot.

Andrew

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Michael Jr. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd and 
> pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a desktop 
> compared to pc-bsd? Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and will 
> freebsd recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not regularly, 
> how can I get freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory? Will freebsd 
> be able to recognize the latest technologies, like
> intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any 
> speed like 7200 rpm? I don't know any kind of code so is there any books 
> or any kind of resources that you recommend I look at?
> Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop and 
> I do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have to, 
> and I think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.
> 
> 
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There's tons of documentation at FreeBSD's site, namely 
http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html.

If your willing to buy books concerning FreeBSD I'd suggest Absolute 
FreeBSD 2nd edition (if you have use Unix like systems) or FreeBSD 
Unleashed 6 (though it was published at the of FreeBSD 6 it is still 
very applicable and provides introduction to Unix like systems).

Regarding your hardware questions FreeBSD support more that 4GB in both 
i386 and amd64 (for i386 PAE kernel needs to be used to access >3GB). 
Nvidia drivers exist for i386. FreeBSD supports multi cores and multi 
cpus. And regarding hard drives, my 3 1TB 7200 RPM SATA drives aren't 
complaining ;)

Hardware support for FreeBSD 7.1 can be found at 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/hardware.html

Also, FreeBSD has a friendly forum at http://forums.freebsd.org/index.php.

Regards,
Ricardo Jesus.



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Hello all,

 

I am having some problems with NFS and slow performance.

 

This is the scenario:

2x FreeBSD 7.1. (Raid storage server, MP, the works)

GB Lan interface between them.

 

When I transfer 1 big file the speed is never higher than 10MB/s with a peak
to 14MB/s.

When I transfer multiple files at the same time speed is about 10MB/s per
thread.

 

Disk speed > 100MB/s

Network speed using samba > 60MB/s (limited by clients disk speed)

 

Tried enabling NFSlockd, NFSstatd but that changes nothing.

 

Any help or hunch would be greatly appreciated.

 

Jan


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On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 21:01 +0300, Lena@lena.kiev.ua wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I uninstalled firefox 2, installed firefox 3 and use it. Later,
> portupgrade of librsvg2 began to build firefox 2 (I aborted it with ^C).
> Then I specified
>=20
>     "graphics/librsvg2" =3D> "WITH_GECKO=3Dxulrunner",
>=20
> in MAKE_ARGS in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf . Now I'm trying to portupgr=
ade
> mplayer-plugin, it also tried to build firefox 2. I tried
>=20
>     "www/mplayer-plugin" =3D> "WITH_GECKO=3Dxulrunner",
>=20
> but that gave an error message (xulrunner isn't an option). So, I tried
>=20
>     "www/mplayer-plugin" =3D> "WITH_GECKO=3Dlibxul",
>=20
> then:
>=20
> > =3D=3D=3D>  libxul-1.9.0.7_3 conflicts with installed package(s):
> >       xulrunner-1.8.0.4_15
> >
> >       They install files into the same place.
> >       Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1).
>=20
> What to do - to allow firefox2 to be installed along with firefox3?
> Will they conflict?

You can set the following in /etc/make.conf:

WITH_GECKO=3Dlibxul

Most ports have been taught to use libxul for Gecko.  However, firefox2
and firefox3 do not conflict.

Joe

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Jan Catrysse wrote:
> Hello all,
>=20
> I am having some problems with NFS and slow performance.
> This is the scenario:
>=20
> 2x FreeBSD 7.1. (Raid storage server, MP, the works)
>=20
> GB Lan interface between them.
>=20
> When I transfer 1 big file the speed is never higher than 10MB/s with a=
 peak
> to 14MB/s.
>=20
> When I transfer multiple files at the same time speed is about 10MB/s p=
er
> thread.
> Disk speed > 100MB/s
>=20
> Network speed using samba > 60MB/s (limited by clients disk speed)
>=20
> Tried enabling NFSlockd, NFSstatd but that changes nothing.
>=20
> Any help or hunch would be greatly appreciated.

Here are some ideas for testing:

* Any firewall in between them? Do you have network errors?
* Any other network problems, like DNS lookup failures? (not that it
should matter for sustained tranfers but still...)
* Are you using TCP or UDP for NFS? TCP should be better in all cases.
* Have you monitored the system with "top"? Try hitting "S" and "H" in
top while transfering files, see if anything looks suspicious.
* Run "iostat 1", check tps and KB/t.
* What file system are you using?


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We had a somewhat startling scenario occur with gmirror. We have systems with four drives ad4, ad6, ad8, and ad10, with the OS setup on a mirrored slice across all four drives. The ad4 drive failed at one point, due to a simple bad connection in its drive bay. While it was offline, the system was continued to be used for a while and new data was added to the mirrored file system. 

We eventually took the box down to deal with ad4, and tried simply pulling and reinserting the drive. On reboot we saw that the BIOS detected the drive, so that was good. However, when FreeBSD got to the point of starting up the GEOM driver, instead of reinserting ad4 into the more current mirror consisting of ad6/ad8/ad10 and resyncing it with that data, the GEOM driver assumed ad4 was the "good" mirror and ended up resyncing ad6/ad8/ad10 with the data from ad4, causing the new files we had added to those drives to be lost. 

This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the same way, when it is reinserted it does not become the dominant drive and resync its data with the other drives. Rather its data is overwritten with the data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect. 

So, clearly ad4, the first disk, is treated specially. The question is this a bug or a feature? Is there anyway to prevent this behavior? This would be a disastrous thing to happen in the field on one of our customer systems. 


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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ricardo Jesus <ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Michael Jr. wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd and
>> pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a desktop
>> compared to pc-bsd? Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and will freebsd
>> recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not regularly, how can I get
>> freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory? Will freebsd be able to
>> recognize the latest technologies, like
>> intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any speed
>> like 7200 rpm? I don't know any kind of code so is there any books or any
>> kind of resources that you recommend I look at?
>> Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop and I
>> do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have to, and I
>> think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Michael Haid
>>
>
If you want a desktop with KDE, flash, JRE and printing with HP printers,
PC-BSD is a great choice.  Many of my preferred applications are non-KDE
apps, so it's less of a great choice for me.  Both PC-BSD and FreeBSD work
well on my Dell Inspiron 8100 (circa 2000); so you know they don't hog a lot
of resources.

I don't know about sager laptops.

I don't think any 32bit operating systems recognize 4GB of RAM. For 4GB of
RAM, you would be better with the 64bit version of FreeBSD.  (I could be
wrong.)

Try a live CD in your laptop to determine whether the hardware is properly
recognized.

I hope this helps,

Andrew

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur <liontaur@gmail.com> wrote:
> > fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that.
>
> I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is
> that you can use it for more than just one POP account.
>

In this case that's not really needed, yet. But room for expansion in the
future is always nice too.

>
>
> > The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who
> needs
> > access to this email account and they happen to be very computer
> illiterate
> > and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach
> > them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access
> this
> > email account.
>
> Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the
> "Outlook Express" icon. They won't notice any difference. But
> recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-)
>
> Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the
> background - "the backend"), but I prefer a real mail program.
> That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can
> access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're
> at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your
> idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good.
>
> Well, i'm not exactly taken with the idea of changing out the mail client
just for the sake of it. We don't display or send emails in html anyways
since that's not such a good idea with OE.

As for webmail... I never even thought about just using an email client on
my laptop to access the server but that strikes me as a better idea too. No
matter what I use i'd be tunneling it over SSH anyways so a mail client
would probably have more functionality or at least i'd be more familiar with
the functionality as opposed to webmail.

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When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile

My /root/.bash_profile contains (among other things):

export PS1="[\e[1;31m\]$(tput bold)\u$(tput sgr0)\[\e[0m\]@\h \w]\$ "

The point is to make the username ("root") display in BOLD and RED
text.  After su'ing, the text is not bold nor red.  If I then enter
"source ~/.bash_profile", however, the prompt displays correctly,
showing "root" in bold and red text.

How come su'ing doesn't seem to effect everything in the
/root/.bash_profile file?

Thanks,
Daniel

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Daniel Underwood wrote:
> When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
> entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
> does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile
>
> My /root/.bash_profile contains (among other things):
>
> export PS1="[\e[1;31m\]$(tput bold)\u$(tput sgr0)\[\e[0m\]@\h \w]\$ "
>
> The point is to make the username ("root") display in BOLD and RED
> text.  After su'ing, the text is not bold nor red.  If I then enter
> "source ~/.bash_profile", however, the prompt displays correctly,
> showing "root" in bold and red text.
>
> How come su'ing doesn't seem to effect everything in the
> /root/.bash_profile file?
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
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I think you may need to set that in ~/.bashrc

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You're right. Works now. Many thanks!

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Adam Vandemore <amvandemore@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> Daniel Underwood wrote:
>>
>> When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
>> entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
>> does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile
>>
>> My /root/.bash_profile contains (among other things):
>>
>> export PS1=3D"[\e[1;31m\]$(tput bold)\u$(tput sgr0)\[\e[0m\]@\h \w]\$ "
>>
>> The point is to make the username ("root") display in BOLD and RED
>> text. =A0After su'ing, the text is not bold nor red. =A0If I then enter
>> "source ~/.bash_profile", however, the prompt displays correctly,
>> showing "root" in bold and red text.
>>
>> How come su'ing doesn't seem to effect everything in the
>> /root/.bash_profile file?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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>>
>
> I think you may need to set that in ~/.bashrc
>
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Daniel Underwood wrote:
> When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
> entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
> does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile
> 
> My /root/.bash_profile contains (among other things):
> 
> export PS1="[\e[1;31m\]$(tput bold)\u$(tput sgr0)\[\e[0m\]@\h \w]\$ "
> 
> The point is to make the username ("root") display in BOLD and RED
> text.  After su'ing, the text is not bold nor red.  If I then enter
> "source ~/.bash_profile", however, the prompt displays correctly,
> showing "root" in bold and red text.
> 
> How come su'ing doesn't seem to effect everything in the
> /root/.bash_profile file?
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel

Read the man page on the distinction between

su

and

su -

the latter probably being what you want to use.

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Peter Steele wrote:
> We had a somewhat startling scenario occur with gmirror. We have system=
s with four drives ad4, ad6, ad8, and ad10, with the OS setup on a mirror=
ed slice across all four drives. The ad4 drive failed at one point, due t=
o a simple bad connection in its drive bay. While it was offline, the sys=
tem was continued to be used for a while and new data was added to the mi=
rrored file system.=20
>=20
> We eventually took the box down to deal with ad4, and tried simply pull=
ing and reinserting the drive. On reboot we saw that the BIOS detected th=
e drive, so that was good. However, when FreeBSD got to the point of star=
ting up the GEOM driver, instead of reinserting ad4 into the more current=
 mirror consisting of ad6/ad8/ad10 and resyncing it with that data, the G=
EOM driver assumed ad4 was the "good" mirror and ended up resyncing ad6/a=
d8/ad10 with the data from ad4, causing the new files we had added to tho=
se drives to be lost.=20
>=20
> This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the same=
 way, when it is reinserted it does not become the dominant drive and res=
ync its data with the other drives. Rather its data is overwritten with t=
he data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect.=20
>=20
> So, clearly ad4, the first disk, is treated specially. The question is =
this a bug or a feature? Is there anyway to prevent this behavior? This w=
ould be a disastrous thing to happen in the field on one of our customer =
systems.=20

This definitely looks like a bug. Try asking again on the freebsd-geom@
list. Provide output of "gmirror list".

=46rom what you said it looks like you did the procedure safely - you
turned off the server, then pulled the drive and reinserted it, then
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Ivan Voras wrote:
> Peter Steele wrote:
>> We had a somewhat startling scenario occur with gmirror. We have syste=
ms with four drives ad4, ad6, ad8, and ad10, with the OS setup on a mirro=
red slice across all four drives. The ad4 drive failed at one point, due =
to a simple bad connection in its drive bay. While it was offline, the sy=
stem was continued to be used for a while and new data was added to the m=
irrored file system.=20
>>
>> We eventually took the box down to deal with ad4, and tried simply pul=
ling and reinserting the drive. On reboot we saw that the BIOS detected t=
he drive, so that was good. However, when FreeBSD got to the point of sta=
rting up the GEOM driver, instead of reinserting ad4 into the more curren=
t mirror consisting of ad6/ad8/ad10 and resyncing it with that data, the =
GEOM driver assumed ad4 was the "good" mirror and ended up resyncing ad6/=
ad8/ad10 with the data from ad4, causing the new files we had added to th=
ose drives to be lost.=20
>>
>> This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the sam=
e way, when it is reinserted it does not become the dominant drive and re=
sync its data with the other drives. Rather its data is overwritten with =
the data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect.=20
>>
>> So, clearly ad4, the first disk, is treated specially. The question is=
 this a bug or a feature? Is there anyway to prevent this behavior? This =
would be a disastrous thing to happen in the field on one of our customer=
 systems.=20
>=20
> This definitely looks like a bug. Try asking again on the freebsd-geom@=

> list. Provide output of "gmirror list".
>=20
> From what you said it looks like you did the procedure safely - you
> turned off the server, then pulled the drive and reinserted it, then
> turned it on again, right?

Sorry, that was a useless response - what I said should be a no-op.

So, your steps were:

1. ad4, ad6, ad8 and ad10 in a 4-way mirror
2. ad4 fails. At this point did you do a "gmirror list"? I.e. did
gmirror detect it failing? If I read it correctly, the GenID field
should have been increased in this case.
3. The system continues to be used
4. You power it down, take out and reinsert ad4
5. On boot, ad4 is detected, inserted in the mirror but as a "known
good" copy, not a stale one.

Correct?

What version of FreeBSD are you using?



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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:48:52AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:36:25 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > 	tHat said: how can I experiment with translating my html into 
> > 	slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
> > 	page website that will get me going.?
> 
> For a "real slideshow" in terms of projected presentation,
> maybe you want to check the foiltex package (port: textproc/foiltex)
> and create a PDF file with it, using LaTeX. The advantage
> is that it can be easily turned into plain text if needed
> (e. g. for speech synthesis). Along with xpdf (also from
> the ports), you can do:


	This ought to help if I ever find a free speech synthesizer.
	I found one yesterday that must be a real human voice;
	unfortunately, commercial.
> 
> 	% xpdf -fullscreen <presentation>
> 
> If you want the slides HTML based, an option would be to
> create a script that reads the "big" HTML source and splits
> it into "small" slides with less text, according to a template.
> But I think it's still neccessary to put hands on it to get
> things like document structure right.
> 

	You're right, and thanks to you, Uli, and Andrew noted.  Looks like
	the slideshow/ppt/impress method won't be the way to go.  I've
	checked out the PresentationZen site and have a better idea how
	this kind of presentation works.  

	I need some other means of reaching folks.

	gary



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Because .bash_profile is only seen on login, not on 'su'.  Put
it in .bashrc which is read when the shell is invoked.

See 'man bash'

Patrick

Daniel Underwood presented these words - circa 4/24/09 12:43 PM->
> When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
> entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
> does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile
> 
> My /root/.bash_profile contains (among other things):
> 
> export PS1="[\e[1;31m\]$(tput bold)\u$(tput sgr0)\[\e[0m\]@\h \w]\$ "
> 
> The point is to make the username ("root") display in BOLD and RED
> text.  After su'ing, the text is not bold nor red.  If I then enter
> "source ~/.bash_profile", however, the prompt displays correctly,
> showing "root" in bold and red text.
> 
> How come su'ing doesn't seem to effect everything in the
> /root/.bash_profile file?
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
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Hi,

> > When I am logged in as a non-root user and I try to become root by
> > entering "su" and typing the root password, the resulting bash prompt
> > does not reflect the contents of /root/.bash_profile

> Because .bash_profile is only seen on login, not on 'su'.  Put
> it in .bashrc which is read when the shell is invoked.

su -

maybe? If you can live with ending up in ~root/, of course ;-)

Rgds.,

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> This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the same way, when it is reinserted it does not become the dominant drive and resync its data with the other drives. Rather its data is overwritten with the data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect.
looks like very strange bug. many times i got drives disconnected and 
always gmirror resynced

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On Friday 24 April 2009, Gary Kline wrote:
> 	This ought to help if I ever find a free speech synthesizer.
> 	I found one yesterday that must be a real human voice;
> 	unfortunately, commercial.

audio/festival in the ports is decent and has a few voices to choose from.

JN

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> This definitely looks like a bug. Try asking again on the freebsd-geom@ 
> list. Provide output of "gmirror list". 

I'll try that list... 

>So, your steps were: 

>1. ad4, ad6, ad8 and ad10 in a 4-way mirror 
>2. ad4 fails. At this point did you do a "gmirror list"? I.e. did 
>gmirror detect it failing? If I read it correctly, the GenID field 
>should have been increased in this case. 
>3. The system continues to be used 
>4. You power it down, take out and reinsert ad4 
>5. On boot, ad4 is detected, inserted in the mirror but as a "known 
>good" copy, not a stale one. 
> 
>Correct? 

Yes, that's basically the sequence that occurred. I can easily recreate the condition though. I shut my box down, took out ad4 and then rebooted. The system complained about ad4 being missing and proceeded with a mirror using 3/4 of the drives. I then created a file on the system, shutdown again, and then reinserted ad4. On reboot as the system was starting up the gmirror driver, it detected ad4 but instead of reinserting in in the most recent mirror made up of the other drives, it became the active drive and kicked out its old partners, When the old drives were reinserted manually into that mirror they were of course synced with the data from ad4, destroying their more recent data. 

This does not happen if I do the same thing with a drive other than ad4. 

>What version of FreeBSD are you using? 

7.0-p10 or so. 


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In article <d356c5630904240925y25a2ec11m429e57001880c073@mail.gmail.com> you write:
>On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Subscribed in a FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish, I've got a pointer to
>> this software:
>>
>> http://win4bsd.com/wp/win4bsd-free-for-non-commercial-use/
>>
>> Any comments about or test results in compare with Qemu?
>> Thx
>>
>>        matthias
>> --
>> Matthias Apitz
>> Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH
>> Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany
>> t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
>> e <matthias.apitz@oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/
>> http://www.UnixArea.de/
>> People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use
>> FreeBSD.
>> _______________________________________________
>>  <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
>
>
>I played with win4bsd for awhile.  It works well for normal desktop usage.
>Unfortunately, virtual os setups do not handle complex data analysis of
>extremely large data sets well.  I think it has to do with memory
>usage/management.  Otherwise, I liked win4bsd a lot.

Well I haven't actually tried win4bsd, only researched about it one the
web a little once and noticed it seems to be based on an old version
of qemu (it still uses kqemu 1.3.* not 1.4.* like current qemu - which
btw is the only reason I haven't removed the old kqemu from ports and
renamed the new one, i.e. emulators/kqemu-kmod still is the old one.)

 Now does that mean current qemu is better/more stable than win4bsd if
all you want is emulate something like xp?  I don't know...  (Maybe the
win4bsd folks have incorporated other fixes that aren't in qemu yet?
At least they certainly seem to have added features...)

 Cheers,
	Juergen

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 02:17:51PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Thursday, April 23, 2009 a las 10:22:52PM +0200, Juergen Lock escribió:
> 
> > > a new effect is that the qemu proc ends on termination of guest OS; the
> > > flag -no-shutdown does not help;
> > 
> >  Oh, yeah, same here.  I've just reported this on the qemu list, and btw
> > kvm seems to be affected too:
> > 	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/362550/+viewstatus
> 
> another issue is, when I'm using:
> 
>        -kernel-kqemu
>            Enable KQEMU full virtualization (default is user mode only).
> 
> the guest system (XP SP3) crashes short after coming up; without
> -kernel-kqemu I'm not sure if Qemu does make use of the kqemu.ko, it is
> so slow, esp. on disk i/o; I have loaded kqemu.ko on boot and if Qemu is
> up I can't kldunload it; but I really don't know if it makes use of it;

Actually it does, just not for guest kernel code, only userland.
(If you want to turn off kqemu completely use -no-kqemu, then it'll
run even slower. :)

 Anyway I've got one report that reinstalling an xp guest (it was
originally installed using an older qemu version) fixed -kernel-kqemu
instabilites at least for one guy (it worked for him with the old qemu)
- it is still true however that kqemu, especially with -kernel-kqemu,
is far from perfect, i.e. it doesn't really work for all types of guests,
and the fact that the linux folks have pretty much deprecated kqemu
in favour of kvm doesn't really help its cause either...  (And yes we
really could use a finished kvm port for the people that do have a
recent cpu with the necessary features, at least on linux kvm is also
much faster than -kernel-kqemu, and it works for more guests.)

 HTH,
	Juergen

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On our FreeBSD 7.2/8.0 driven infrastructure we use OpenLDAP:

openldap-sasl-client-2.4.16 Open source LDAP client implementation with
SASL2 support
openldap-sasl-server-2.4.16 Open source LDAP server implementation
pam_ldap-1.8.4_1    A pam module for authenticating with LDAP

>From O'Reilly's OpenLDAP book and other sources I got the information,
that tha tags

pam_groupdn
pam_member_attribute

can be used in conjunction with 'uid' to restrict access to a specific
host to those which are member of the group specified by pam_groupdn, as
long as the group object supports
multi-value-attributes like memberUid.

Well, this is not working with FreeBSD any way!

Suppose I define in /usr/local/etc/ldap.conf

pam_groupdn cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar (objectClass: posixGroup)
pam_member_attribute memberUid

And within this group there is my memberUid:

memberUid: ohartmann

Now I try to login to the specific box and get the warning:


You must be a memberUid of cn=myGroup,ou=groups,dc=foo,dc=bar to login.

... and I can login, no tmatter whether I'm in the group or not.

What ist happening here? Why is the documentaion telling me this should
work and why isn't FreeBSD/PAM doing so?

I'm confused!

Any help appreciated.

Oliver

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> This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the same way, when it is reinserted 
> it does not become the dominant drive and resync its data with the other drives. Rather its data 
> is overwritten with the data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect. 
> looks like very strange bug. many times i got drives disconnected and 
> always gmirror resynced 

If I just pull ad4 and then reinsert it without doing a reboot, everything works fine. The problem occurs when ad4 is pulled and then reinserted after the system is shutdown. When the system comes up, it doesn't get added back to the existing mirror but rather becomes the principal member of the mirror, using its old data. Not good. 


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i think it's a bug but only happens with such massive mirror. very few 
people do more than 2-way mirrors that's probably it wasn't catched.

please do report the bug - it's critical.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Peter Steele wrote:

>> This only happens with ad4. If ad6 for example goes offline in the same way, when it is reinserted
>> it does not become the dominant drive and resync its data with the other drives. Rather its data
>> is overwritten with the data from the 3 member mirror, as you'd expect.
>> looks like very strange bug. many times i got drives disconnected and
>> always gmirror resynced
>
> If I just pull ad4 and then reinsert it without doing a reboot, everything works fine. The problem occurs when ad4 is pulled and then reinserted after the system is shutdown. When the system comes up, it doesn't get added back to the existing mirror but rather becomes the principal member of the mirror, using its old data. Not good.
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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Juergen Lock <nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de>wrote:

> In article <d356c5630904240925y25a2ec11m429e57001880c073@mail.gmail.com>
> you write:
> >On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Subscribed in a FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish, I've got a pointer to
> >> this software:
> >>
> >> http://win4bsd.com/wp/win4bsd-free-for-non-commercial-use/
> >>
> >> Any comments about or test results in compare with Qemu?
> >> Thx
> >>
> >>        matthias
> >> --
> >> Matthias Apitz
> >> Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH
> >> Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany
> >> t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
> >> e <matthias.apitz@oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/
> >> http://www.UnixArea.de/
> >> People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use
> >> FreeBSD.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>  <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> >
> >
> >I played with win4bsd for awhile.  It works well for normal desktop usage.
> >Unfortunately, virtual os setups do not handle complex data analysis of
> >extremely large data sets well.  I think it has to do with memory
> >usage/management.  Otherwise, I liked win4bsd a lot.
>
> Well I haven't actually tried win4bsd, only researched about it one the
> web a little once and noticed it seems to be based on an old version
> of qemu (it still uses kqemu 1.3.* not 1.4.* like current qemu - which
> btw is the only reason I haven't removed the old kqemu from ports and
> renamed the new one, i.e. emulators/kqemu-kmod still is the old one.)
>
>  Now does that mean current qemu is better/more stable than win4bsd if
> all you want is emulate something like xp?  I don't know...  (Maybe the
> win4bsd folks have incorporated other fixes that aren't in qemu yet?
> At least they certainly seem to have added features...)
>
>  Cheers,
>         Juergen
>

I used an early version of win4bsd.  It was a no-brainer to install!  The
win4bsd folks did very well in this regard.

Andrew

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:48:52AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:36:25 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>
> wrote:
> > >     tHat said: how can I experiment with translating my html into
> > >     slideshow format?  If this is a case of RTFM, where is the FM
> > >     page website that will get me going.?
> >
> > For a "real slideshow" in terms of projected presentation,
> > maybe you want to check the foiltex package (port: textproc/foiltex)
> > and create a PDF file with it, using LaTeX. The advantage
> > is that it can be easily turned into plain text if needed
> > (e. g. for speech synthesis). Along with xpdf (also from
> > the ports), you can do:
>
>
>         This ought to help if I ever find a free speech synthesizer.
>        I found one yesterday that must be a real human voice;
>        unfortunately, commercial.
> >
> >       % xpdf -fullscreen <presentation>
> >
> > If you want the slides HTML based, an option would be to
> > create a script that reads the "big" HTML source and splits
> > it into "small" slides with less text, according to a template.
> > But I think it's still neccessary to put hands on it to get
> > things like document structure right.
> >
>
>         You're right, and thanks to you, Uli, and Andrew noted.  Looks like
>        the slideshow/ppt/impress method won't be the way to go.  I've
>        checked out the PresentationZen site and have a better idea how
>        this kind of presentation works.
>
>        I need some other means of reaching folks.
>
>        gary
>
> >
> > --
> > Polytropon
> > From Magdeburg, Germany
> > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
>

I've never done video editing on FreeBSD; but on a Mac, you can create a
movie using slides and a sound file (wav, mp3, etc).  You would need an
application that could import images and sound, and let you sync the two by
assigning the order and duration of each slide.  It would then have to spit
out a movie file, of course.

Any video editing (on FreeBSD) knowledge out there?

Another option is a python script that uses vnc to create a shockwave flash
file from your actions on your desktop:
http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/

The script is able to import a sound file that you record while you create
the demo.

Good luck,

Andrew

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I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.

I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
this:
cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
No such file or directory

I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
more of a direct approach if possible.

Thanks,

JN

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Hi,

I'm using openvpn to connect my vpn-gateway at home to an external 
server, both are FreeBSD-boxes (6.2-STABLE).
The external server has an fixed IP, the client at home connects to a 
router, which gets a new IP every 24 hours.
The client is configured as router (gateway_enable="YES") which works... 
at least sometimes.

After my router gets a new IP, the openvpn client reconnects to the 
server and the tunnel is usable from FreeBSD@home to FreeBSD@external.
But: I have one Vista and one OSX at home, both have static routes to 
the FreeBSD-box. They are able to use the tunnel, when the 
openvpn-client is freshly startet. After getting a new IP from my ISP, 
the tunnel is up (and - as I wrote - the FreeBSD is able to use it), but 
the two other boxes don't get routed through the tunnel, but the default 
gateway. When I restart the openvpn-client, everythink works again like 
it should.

Sample output of traceroute when openvpn is restarted:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  wintermute [192.168.2.2]
  2    29 ms    30 ms    32 ms  GOTHNET [10.10.0.1]
(works)

After router gets net external IP:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  wintermute [192.168.2.2]
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.1
  3    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  217.0.119.195
  4  217.0.89.70  meldet: Zielhost nicht erreichbar.

Any advice? :(


Regards,
Neo [GC]

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Hi,

I've ancountered a very strange behaviour. I'm running a server with 
FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE, which is connected to a 100mbit-line at some hosting 
company.

When downloading files over FTP (proftpd) or HTTP (apache 2.2) I only 
get about 800kb/s, uploading seems to have the same limit (couldn't test 
it really, as my line stops at abount 860kb/s). When I start multiple 
downloads, I get 800kb/s for each transfer, up to about 5000kb/s, which 
is the limit of my downstream at home.

Is there some kind of traffic shaping or QOS somewhere?

Before moving to the hosting company, I had the server at home and 
transfered several MB per second with a single FTP-transfer (ethernet).


Regards,
Neo [GC]

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John Nielsen wrote:
> I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
> src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
> for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.
> 
> I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
> this:
> cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
> No such file or directory
> 
> I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
> The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
> more of a direct approach if possible.
>

cvs log <filename> works, but I don't think that history has even been available
on any system I've ever had access to.  There's pretty good info available from
the "cvs log" command ... here's a few lines from "cvs log Makefile" from
usr/src/Makefile:

- ----------------------------
revision 1.114
date: 2005/12/02 01:17:20;  author: deraadt;  state: Exp;  lines: +2 -2
do not enter lkm
- ----------------------------
revision 1.113
date: 2005/09/16 12:28:34;  author: jmc;  state: Exp;  lines: +3 -2
use shell-neutral language (in a comment);

from ray lai;
ok krw@
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revision 1.112
date: 2005/01/09 20:36:20;  author: espie;  state: Exp;  lines: +12 -282
move cross-stuff into its own file.
okay mickey@, niklas@



> Thanks,
> 
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John Nielsen wrote:
> I'm working on a machine learning project and I'd like to use the FreeBSD 
> src CVS commit history as a datasource. Is there a resource-friendly way 
> for me to download some or all of it? Format isn't too big an issue.
>
> I tried a few "cvs history" commands against the anoncvs servers but get 
> this:
> cvs [history aborted]: cannot open history file: /home/ncvs/CVSROOT/history: 
> No such file or directory
>
> I'm not too experienced with cvs so if I'm missing something let me know. 
> The Mailman archives for freebsd-cvs are one option, but I was hoping for 
> more of a direct approach if possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JN
>   

It seems history is optional in CVS, and it does not exist (at least
anymore) in the FreeBSD CVS.




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2009/4/24 Peter Steele <psteele@maxiscale.com>:
>> This definitely looks like a bug. Try asking again on the freebsd-geom@
>> list. Provide output of "gmirror list".
>
> I'll try that list...
>
>>So, your steps were:
>
>>1. ad4, ad6, ad8 and ad10 in a 4-way mirror
>>2. ad4 fails. At this point did you do a "gmirror list"? I.e. did
>>gmirror detect it failing? If I read it correctly, the GenID field
>>should have been increased in this case.
>>3. The system continues to be used
>>4. You power it down, take out and reinsert ad4
>>5. On boot, ad4 is detected, inserted in the mirror but as a "known
>>good" copy, not a stale one.
>>
>>Correct?
>
> Yes, that's basically the sequence that occurred. I can easily recreate the
> condition though. I shut my box down, took out ad4 and then rebooted. The
> system complained about ad4 being missing and proceeded with a mirror using
> 3/4 of the drives. I then created a file on the system, shutdown again, and
> then reinserted ad4. On reboot as the system was starting up the gmirror
> driver, it detected ad4 but instead of reinserting in in the most recent
> mirror made up of the other drives, it became the active drive and kicked
> out its old partners,

By "kicked out" you mean "overwritten"?

You should definitely look at "gmirror list" before and after.

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> By "kicked out" you mean "overwritten"? 
> 
>You should definitely look at "gmirror list" before and after. 

Sorry for the confusion. By "kicked out", what I meant was as gmirror started up it took ad4 as the principal member, saw that it was previously part of a mirror with three other drives and tried to add those drives. These drives could not be added for some reason so the system eventually completed the process leaving a degraded mirror with only 1/4 members active. When the system completed booted, a gmirror list showed that the mirror consisted of only a single member of the expected four members. 

We have software that runs automatically when a system has booted to make sure all drives are partipating in the mirror. In this case it discovered 3 of the 4 drives were missing and proceeded to add them back in. This is where their old data gets destroyed of course. If I go through this exact same process with any of the other drives everything works as it should--that drive gets reinserted and none of the other drives lose any data. The problem only occurs when the drive that's pulled is the first drive, which in our case is ad4. 


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Hi,

I've ancountered a very strange behaviour. I'm running a server with 
FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE, which is connected to a 100mbit-line at some hosting 
company.

When downloading files over FTP (proftpd) or HTTP (apache 2.2) I only 
get about 800kb/s, uploading seems to have the same limit (couldn't test 
it really, as my line stops at abount 860kb/s). When I start multiple 
downloads, I get 800kb/s for each transfer, up to about 5000kb/s, which 
is the limit of my downstream at home.

Is there some kind of traffic shaping or QOS somewhere?

Before moving to the hosting company, I had the server at home and 
transfered several MB per second with a single FTP-transfer (ethernet).


Regards,
Neo [GC]



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Hi,

I'm using openvpn to connect my vpn-gateway at home to an external 
server, both are FreeBSD-boxes (6.2-STABLE).
The external server has an fixed IP, the client at home connects to a 
router, which gets a new IP every 24 hours.
The client is configured as router (gateway_enable="YES") which works... 
at least sometimes.

After my router gets a new IP, the openvpn client reconnects to the 
server and the tunnel is usable from FreeBSD@home to FreeBSD@external.
But: I have one Vista and one OSX at home, both have static routes to 
the FreeBSD-box. They are able to use the tunnel, when the 
openvpn-client is freshly startet. After getting a new IP from my ISP, 
the tunnel is up (and - as I wrote - the FreeBSD is able to use it), but 
the two other boxes don't get routed through the tunnel, but the default 
gateway. When I restart the openvpn-client, everythink works again like 
it should.

Sample output of traceroute when openvpn is restarted:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  wintermute [192.168.2.2]
  2    29 ms    30 ms    32 ms  GOTHNET [10.10.0.1]
(works)

After router gets net external IP:
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  wintermute [192.168.2.2]
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.1
  3    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  217.0.119.195
  4  217.0.89.70  meldet: Zielhost nicht erreichbar.

Any advice? :(


Regards,
Neo [GC]


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Hi, Neo--

On Apr 24, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Neo [GC] wrote:
> After my router gets a new IP, the openvpn client reconnects to the  
> server and the tunnel is usable from FreeBSD@home to FreeBSD@external.
> But: I have one Vista and one OSX at home, both have static routes  
> to the FreeBSD-box. They are able to use the tunnel, when the  
> openvpn-client is freshly startet. After getting a new IP from my  
> ISP, the tunnel is up (and - as I wrote - the FreeBSD is able to use  
> it), but the two other boxes don't get routed through the tunnel,  
> but the default gateway. When I restart the openvpn-client,  
> everythink works again like it should.

Not enough info to tell, but, consider the output of "netstat -nr"  
before and after the IP reassignment, and you'll probably notice a  
routing table change which is causing your other LAN clients to send  
traffic the wrong way....

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck


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> audio/festival in the ports is decent and has a few voices to choose from.
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	yes, the voices are pretty good; i use them to read boring stuff
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I'm using an Intel DG33BU board with a SATA HD and SATA optical drives.
Using FreeBSD 7.1 AMD64 I get a kernel panic and subsequent file system
corruption when attempting to burn a cd using the burncd utility. I can
avoid this easily enough by using cdrecord and growisofs which work as
they should. I wanted to alert others using the same or similar boards.

If anyone has any ideas, I'd  like to know why this happens. Is there a
planned update to the burncd software or how it addresses the system
that might remedy this in future releases?

--David

I'm assuming the reason for the panic is that SATAII is substantially 
incompatible with the old ATAPI standard that burncd was designed for. 
In light of the fact that soon, most hardware (even older hardware) will 
feature SATA drives, it would be nice if there were a compatible base 
system burn utility. Burncd could linger on for the sake of much older 
machines, but could be prominently labeled as "legacy" software.

--David yet again

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:20:45PM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:48:52AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:36:25 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>
> >

	[[[ ... ]]]
> 
> I've never done video editing on FreeBSD; but on a Mac, you can create a
> movie using slides and a sound file (wav, mp3, etc).  You would need an
> application that could import images and sound, and let you sync the two by
> assigning the order and duration of each slide.  It would then have to spit
> out a movie file, of course.
> 
> Any video editing (on FreeBSD) knowledge out there?
> 
> Another option is a python script that uses vnc to create a shockwave flash
> file from your actions on your desktop:
> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
> 
> The script is able to import a sound file that you record while you create
> the demo.



	as i get back from a fifteen minute run out the back, screaming
	loudly....  if anybody would care to volunteer to help me with
	this, it would transcend mere Outstanding.  facts are that i'm 
	still polishing the last 7 or 8 of my mumblings/jottings.  been
	at this since the 1980's, maybe a bit before.  so way too long to
	throw in the towel now.

	a year, two ago a volunteer in my library group gathered up the
	mess of 70+ jottings and created 15 [?] subsections.  meanwhile,
	i've found and gotten permission to use one or two photographs.
	anybody brave enough to browse my existentialist mumblings to see
	what kind of photo might fit with what??

	gary


> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Andrew

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>
> When downloading files over FTP (proftpd) or HTTP (apache 2.2) I only get 
> about 800kb/s, uploading seems to have the same limit (couldn't test it 
> really, as my line stops at abount 860kb/s). When I start multiple downloads, 
> I get 800kb/s for each transfer, up to about 5000kb/s, which is the limit of 
> my downstream at home.
>
> Is there some kind of traffic shaping or QOS somewhere?
>

or ethernet autonegotiation problems  - one side gets full duplex other 
half duplex.

> Before moving to the hosting company, I had the server at home and transfered 
> several MB per second with a single FTP-transfer (ethernet).
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Mel wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 09:51:10 n j wrote:
>> (sorry for the previous mail)
>>
>>> The Makefile says:
>>> ...
>>> So I'll bet some money that it's docbook.
>> Correct.
>>
>>> Does it improve if you add these to /etc/make.conf:
>>> ...
>> No, the result is exactly the same.
>>
>>> # finddep.php security/logcheck x11/xorg-libraries
>>> /usr/ports/textproc/docbook-to-man: /usr/local/libdata/xorg/libraries
>>> => /usr/ports/x11/xorg-libraries
>> Mel, thanks for the script. What bothers me, however, is that I've
>> checked the Makefile and didn't find any reference to xorg/x11
>> libraries - the only dependencies listed in textproc/docbook-to-man
>> are:
>>
>> RUN_DEPENDS=    nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade
>> (no xorg-libraries dependency there)
>> RUN_DEPENDS+=  
>> ${LOCALBASE}/share/sgml/docbook:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/docbook
>>
>> Even worse,
>>
>> egrep -ri "(xorg|x11)" *
>>
>> in /usr/ports/textproc/docbook-to-man returns zero matches.
> 
> It's hiding:
> # make -C textproc/docbook-to-man -V BUILD_DEPENDS
> imake:/usr/ports/devel/imake /usr/local/libdata/xorg/libraries:/usr/ports/x11/xorg-libraries
> 
> Hint: always check make's interpretation of a var with -V. This is instigated 
> by:
> USE_IMAKE=      yes
> 
> As per Mk/bsd.port.mk:
> .if defined(USE_IMAKE)
> BUILD_DEPENDS+=         imake:${X_IMAKE_PORT}
> .endif
> 
> And here comes xorg-libs:
> .if defined(USE_IMAKE) && !defined(USE_X_PREFIX) && !defined(USE_XORG)
> USE_X_PREFIX=   yes
> .endif
> 
> USE_X_PREFIX now defined:
> .if defined(USE_X_PREFIX)
> USE_XLIB=       yes
> .endif
> 
> USE_XLIB now defined:
> .if defined(USE_XLIB)
> .   if defined(USE_LINUX)
> RUN_DEPENDS+=   ${LINUXBASE}/usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1:
> ${PORTSDIR}/x11/linux-xorg-libs
> .   else
> BUILD_DEPENDS+= ${X11BASE}/libdata/xorg/libraries:${X_LIBRARIES_PORT}
> RUN_DEPENDS+=   ${X11BASE}/libdata/xorg/libraries:${X_LIBRARIES_PORT}
> .   endif
> .endif
> 
> 

Hi everyone,

It took me a little while to get it done, but I added docbook2X to the
FreeBSD ports tree yesterday:

http://www.freshports.org/textproc/docbook2X/

I then changed the dependency in security/logcheck from
textproc/docbook-to-man to textproc/docbook2X.  This reduces the number
of recursive dependencies by almost 100, so it should be a lot quicker
to install the tool now.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=880901+0+current/cvs-ports

Feedback welcome,
Greg
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I am trying to get tnftpd or lukemftpd to do the authomatic conversions
documented in the man page. I am running 7.1 Release #0. My 
/var/ftp/etc/ftpd.conf file is only two lines:

    motd all motd
    conversion all .Z f . /bin/compress %s

and from the motd message I can see that the server is using this 
configuration file. The compress program has been copied to 
/var/ftp/bin/compress so it should be available too.

However, while I can ftp to localhost and login as anonymous and get the 
file "test", when I ask for "test.Z" I get only the following messages:

   get test.Z
   local test.Z remote test.Z
   229 entering Passive mode
   550 test.Z: no such file or directory

The man page for ftpd.conf says:

  > If a file to retrieve ends in suffix and a real file (sans suffix)
  > exists then the output of command is returned instead of the
  > contents of the file.

I also tried the default ftpd, with the same result (although it isn't 
clear if ftpd supports conversion, there isn't any documentation for the 
configuration file for ftpd - the included man page is clearly for 
lukemftpd and the tnftpd page is essentially the same).

So I am left with the conclusion that there is something wrong with my
ftpd.conf entry, but have found no examples anywhere on the net to guide
me. There is supposed to be an example in /usr/share/examples/ but it
isn't there (PR 133468). I'd sure like to see it, if anyone has it
or another.

Daniel Feenberg
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On Friday 24 April 2009 11:06:03 am Michael Jr. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was just wondering what are the major differences between freebsd
> and pc-bsd and is it harder or just as easy to setup freebsd as a
> desktop compared to pc-bsd?

Hi there Michael =)

In regards to the differences I think it depends on where are you 
standing .. It could safely be argued that PC-BSD is a preconfigured 
FreeBSD system with and extra "software distribution and management" 
method (pbi) and a relevant set of tools created in order to ease the 
administration of a FreeBSD system for the desktop user ... YMMV .. but 
I tend to see it that way ... 

Now, regarding the "which one is easier to setup as a desktop" .. 
well .. by all means the easier one is PC-BSD .. Turning FreeBSD into a 
desktop system is something that _you'll_have_to_do whereas PC-BSD is a 
FreeBSD system that has already been turned into a desktop system so 
you don't have to go trough all that process ... and that's one of the 
reasons why it exists ;) 

> Will freebsd work with sager laptops, and 
> will freebsd recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory and if it does not
> regularly, how can I get freebsd to recognize 4 gigs of ddr3 memory?

I really don't know the answer to the "sager" question .. and, 
personally, I think that's something that they as the manufacturers, 
should be able to answer (if not already legally binded to ...).

Regarding you "4gigs of ram" the answers is: yes .. but you'll have to 
do some reading on PAE and maybe kernel recompiling  ...

> Will freebsd be able to recognize the latest technologies, like
> intel core 2 duo and the new Nvidia GTX260m, and hard drives at any
> speed like 7200 rpm?

Tray taking a look at the README file on the Nvidia FreeBSD driver 
located at the nvidia web page in order to find out whether the Nvidia 
FreeBSD driver does or does not support the GTX260m ..

http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd_180.51.html

I probably should mention that the nvidia drivers are only available for 
the x86 platform at the moment. If you need 64bit support, write them 
an e-mail asking for it ...

Hard drives and core2 are no problem at all .. I'm actually writing this 
mail on a core2 ..

Here .. take a look:

[gonzalo@inferna ~]% sysctl hw.model
hw.model: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E4500  @ 2.20GHz
[gonzalo@inferna ~]% sysctl -a | grep temperature
dev.cpu.0.temperature: 34
dev.cpu.1.temperature: 32
[gonzalo@inferna ~]%

> I don't know any kind of code so is there any 
> books or any kind of resources that you recommend I look at?

Sure thing ... you'll find everything there is to know in here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

If you can afford yourself to spend a few bucks (and .. to be honest .. 
after reviewing your harware specs, you seem to be able to) on a 
_really_ good book about FreeBSD; "Absolute FreeBSD: The Complete Guide 
to FreeBSD, 2nd Edition" by Michael W. Lucas is _the_ book to buy.

> Sorry I have so many questions but I just ordered a new sager laptop
> and I do not really want to have to use windows vista if I don't have
> to, and I think it would be fun to learn how to use freebsd.

Then, by all means, buy "Absolute FreeBSD: The Complete Guide to 
FreeBSD, 2nd Edition" because you _will_ want to have that book at 
hand. And, should you be able to afford it, try and buy the official 
cds/dvds from freebsdmall.com ;)

> Thank you,
> Michael Haid

Anytime !!
Good luck and hope to see you posting from your FreeBSD/PC-BSD system 
soon :)
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Gonzalo Nemmi

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On Monday 20 April 2009 11:58:39 am Keith Seyffarth wrote:
> I'm trying to print from my FreeBSD machine. I've been through a
> number of online tutorials and instructions on printing from Unix or
> FreeBSD in particular, but they all seem to start with the assumption
> that printing from the machine is possible. I'm trying to get to that
> starting point.
>
> I have installed:
>
> cups-base-1.3.9_3   Common UNIX Printing System
> cups-pdf-2.5.0      A virtual printer for CUPS to produce PDF files
> cups-pstoraster-8.15.4_2 Postscript interpreter for CUPS printing to
> non-PS printers gutenprint-cups-5.1.7_3 GutenPrint Printer Driver
> libgnomecups-0.2.3_1,1 Support library for gnome cups admistration
> hplip-2.8.2_4       Drivers and utilities for HP Printers and
> All-in-One device
>
> The printer I'm working with is a HP Officejet 4110.

Hello Keith !

Ok .. first and to answer the topic: Yes, I can, and it has been that 
way since day 1 with FreeBSD in here.

Your printed seems  to be supported by hplip ...
http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_4100_series.html

> There seem to be several issues with printing. First, since this is a
> USB printer,

And so it's mine (an Hp LaserJet 1015)

> the pinter is always owned by root:operator with read 
> permissions for user, group, and world.


> Adding these lines to /etc/devfs.conf
> link ulpt0 printer
> own ulpt0 cups:cups
> perm ulpt0 0666

Maybe you should have taken a look at the hplip post install message ...
Here, take a look at this:

[gonzalo@inferna ~]% pkg_info -xD hplip
Information for hplip-2.8.2_3:

Install notice:
**********************************************************

**************** UPGRADE FROM 1.X NOTICE *****************

NOTE: If you are upgrading from 1.x you will need to
change your devfs ruleset as hpiod is now gone, so remove
it from you rc.conf.  The printer communication now runs
through cupsd.  You will need to make the devfs ruleset
changes to allow cups to access the usb bus and ugen
devices so that it can enumerate the printers.  You will
also need to update your hplip.conf.  See the instructions
below.

**************** UPGRADE FROM 1.X NOTICE *****************

Add the following to your rc.conf:

hpssd_enable="YES"

So all you have to do if you have a custom ruleset setup
is add the following to that ruleset in devfs.rules:

add path 'usb*' group cups
add path 'usb*' mode 0660
add path 'ugen*' group cups
add path 'ugen*' mode 0660

If you have never setup devfs.rules please read the
manpage and see:
http://am-productions.biz/docs/devfs.rules.php

The printer MUST attach as a ugen(4) device.  This means
that you must NOT have "device ulpt" in your kernel and
ulpt must NOT be loaded as a kernel module.

If you are seeing device connection errors restart the
printing chain with the following command.  NOTE: It MUST
be restarted in the stated order.
%%PREFIX%%/etc/rc.d/hpssd restart && \
%%PREFIX%%/etc/rc.d/cupsd restart

If upgrading from a version < 2.7.9 copy the new
hplip.conf.sample config.
cp %%PREFIX%%/etc/hp/hplip.conf.sample \
   %%PREFIX%%/etc/hp/hplip.conf

If you are still having problems check:
http://am-productions.biz/docs/hplip.php
If you are still having problems send the relevant part
of your /var/log/messages, console output from the hp-*
utility that you are trying to run, and your rc.conf +
devfs.rules files and the output of "ls -l /dev" to the
maintainer.
**********************************************************
[gonzalo@inferna ~]%


So .. basically .. get rid of "ulpt" ... recompile your kernel if you 
have to, but get rid of it .. the printer MUST attach as a ugen(4) 
device ...

Plug your printer in, turn it on and .. add this lines to devfs.rules 
(change the "[system=10] " to suit your needs if you have to)

[system=10] 
add path 'usb*' group cups
add path 'usb*' mode 0660
add path 'ugen*' group cups
add path 'ugen*' mode 0660

after that, issue the following commands:

cp /usr/local/etc/hp/hplip.conf.sample /usr/local/etc/hp/hplip.conf 
/etc/rc.d/devfs restart 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/hpssd start 
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/cupsd start 

log in to the cups config page and follow the steps to configure your 
printer ...

when prompted for a printer URI, make use of hp-makeuri to determine 
what URI you should use .. I use it like this:

hp-makeuri printer_serial_number

and it will return something along this way:

hp:/usb/hp_LaserJet_1015?serial=MYSERIALGOESINHERE

feed that to the URI field and then move on to choose the ppd file which 
you'll be able to find under /usr/local/share/ppd/HP ...

And that's about it .. 

> will set the ownership to cups:cups and the permissions to read and
> write for user, group, and world on startup if the printer is already
> turned on and plugged in. However, if the printer is not turned on at
> startup, or if it is disconnected or turned off after system startup,
> ownership and permissions revert.
>
> Trying chown or chmod to the device at /dev/ulpt0 gives an invalid
> path error, and trying to do so following the instructions in the man
> page for devfs give 'operation not supported by device' errors.
>
> When th device is owned by root, attempting to print the test page
> generates a 'permission denied' error in CUPS. When the device is
> owned by cups, attempting to print the test page generates a "failed"
> error in CUPS.

As mentioned in the after install notes, forget ulpt ... hplip needs the 
printer attached using ugen. ultp shouldn't even be loaded in the 
kernel as a module !

> When the device is owned by cups, this error is reported in the error
> log in CUPS, if debug logging is enabled:
>
> [CGI] /usr/local/share/cups/drivers/pscript5.dll: No such file or
> directory
>
> There isn't a drivers directory in /usr/local/share/cups. I can make
> one, but where do I get the pscript5.dll, and what else is it going
> to rely on?
>
> CUPS et al were installed using portinstall, and CUPS is working well
> to produce .pdf files. I tried portupgrade last night on all the (I
> think) relevant ports, but the system thinks they are all up to date.
>
> So, questions:
>
> 1. how can I get permissions on the device to stick, so that I do not
>    have to reboot the machine every time we want to print or have to
>    power cycle the printer?

Add this lines to devfs.rules (change the "[system=10] " to suit your 
needs if you have to)

[system=10] 
add path 'usb*' group cups
add path 'usb*' mode 0660
add path 'ugen*' group cups
add path 'ugen*' mode 0660

then issue the following command:

/etc/rc.d/devfs restart 

> 2. Am I correct that the missing .dll (that seems awfully Windows to
>    me) is the problem in getting a filter to print? If so, what do I
>    need to do to install it?

You shouldn't need any dll at all .. :
[gonzalo@inferna ~]% ls /usr/local/share/ppd/HP/ | grep officejet_4100 | 
sort
hp-officejet_4100_series-hpijs.ppd.gz

that's all you need ...

> And, actually, a third printing-related issue: How do I get cupsd to
> start on startup? I have these two lines in /etc/rc.conf:\
> cupsd_enable="YES" # enable cups printing management
> devfs_system_ruleset="system" # something else they say cups needs

I have this three lines on my /etc/rc.conf file:

devfs_system_ruleset="system"
hpssd_enable="YES"
cupsd_enable="YES"


> but CUPS has to be manually started by root after each reboot. what
> else needs to be done to get cupsd to start at startup?

After adding those lines to your /etc/rc.conf file .. theoretically .. 
nothing ... hpssd and cupsd should be enabled by default on every 
boot ..

>
> Keith

Hope that helps !

Kind regards :)
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Gonzalo Nemmi

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:17:11AM -0700, Chris Cowart wrote:
> This error means the program tried to look up some name information for
> your UID number and failed. You need to configure the data source in
> /etc/nsswitch.conf:
> 
> group: files cache ldap
> passwd: files cache ldap

I've already set like you showed.
But, not for /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf .

Configuring nsswitch.conf in linux emulation environment,
the program worked properly.  I did't know I had to set 
/compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf for linux binary compatibility.

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On 4/24/09, Ott Koestner <OttK@zzz.ee> wrote:
> Neal Hogan wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Ott Koestner <ottk@zzz.ee> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> After upgrading Xorg from ports to the latest version
>>> xorg-server-1.6.0,1
>>> xorg-7.4_1
>>>
>>> I am experiencing very unpleasant phenomenon, Xorg randomly exiting with
>>> message:
>>>
>>> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kernel: pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
>>> Apr 24 15:16:16 ott kdm-bin[1020]: X server for display :0 terminated
>>> unexpectedly
>>>
>>> Also, there is a strange behavior with dual-head mode -- when moving
>>> cursor from one screen to another, the little white arrow remains on the
>>> other screen.
>>>
>>> Please help! What might it be? Recompiled probably everything related to
>>> Xorg. Using Nvidia driver version
>>> nvidia-driver-96.43.11
>>>
>>
>> I'm no expert, but to help those that are, I suggest that you post the
>> contents of your /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log (perhaps a dmesg, too).
>>
>>
> After the crash Xorg is instantly restarted. Probably there is no reason
> to copy the whole log here. Everything looks normal for some time and
> then it restarts just at a random moment. No reason to blame hardware.
> It was stable before pre-previous Xorg server update (over 100 days uptime).
>
> Ill-effects started after I upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3. Mouse buttons
> started to freeze randomly. That is why I chose to upgrade to
> xorg-server-1.6.0.
> Xorg.0.log.old ends like this:
> ...
> (II) LoadModule: "mouse"
> (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
> (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>         compiled for 1.6.0, module version = 1.4.0
>         Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
>         ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: Device: "/dev/sysmouse"
> (==) PS/2 Mouse: Protocol: "Auto"
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: always reports core events
> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> (==) PS/2 Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: Buttons: 9
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: Sensitivity: 1
> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms
> (**) PS/2 Mouse: (accel) set acceleration profile 0
> (II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
> (II) PS/2 Mouse: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse
>
> Fatal server error:
> Caught signal 11.  Server aborting
>
>
> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
>          at http://wiki.x.org
>  for help.
> Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional
> information.
>
> (II) UnloadModule: "kbd"
> (II) UnloadModule: "mouse"
> (II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources
> (II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> # dmesg | tail -n 15
> pid 6766 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
> pid 6787 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 6796 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 6478 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
> pid 7710 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
> pid 7727 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 7730 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 7445 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
> pid 8095 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
> pid 8112 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 8115 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 7797 (Xorg), uid 0: exited on signal 6
> pid 47182 (PBReg), uid 1001: exited on signal 10
> pid 47199 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> pid 47200 (NetworkTray), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
>
>
>
>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Ott Koestner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I saw on svn-head that signal 6 crash is caused by FreeBSD
malloc/libc, and is fixed on CURRENT but that may not be related to
your problem.

-- 
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:18:43 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> 	yes, the voices [from audio/festival] are pretty good; i use
> 	them to read boring stuff
> 	to me when i'm about brain-dead!  but these voices just don't cut
> 	it given the kind of quasi-poetic stuff i have.

Wouldn't it be easier to use a natural speaker then? I know there's
no such person in the ports collection... :-)



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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 05:34:16PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:17:11AM -0700, Chris Cowart wrote:
> > This error means the program tried to look up some name information for
> > your UID number and failed. You need to configure the data source in
> > /etc/nsswitch.conf:
> > 
> > group: files cache ldap
> > passwd: files cache ldap
> 
> I've already set like you showed.
> But, not for /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf .
> 
> Configuring nsswitch.conf in linux emulation environment,
> the program worked properly.  I did't know I had to set 
> /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf for linux binary compatibility.

That's interesting. Was there a /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf before?
I think that if it's not there, the linux emulation layer should take
the system's /etc/nsswitch.conf as default. But I might be wrong(TM).


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I recently began testing mergemaster -U since the perpetual "review
diff of file I never touched" grows annoying real quick.

Unfortunately I recently discovered that it does not seem to do what
you might expect. For example it nuked my mailer.conf on one machine,
and my /etc/namedb/named.conf (!!!) on another machine.

Is this a bug or intended? What is the intended functionality of -U?

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:20:00AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar writes:
> > as you can do everything easily in text mode, it just points out that GUI
> > installer is nonsense.
> 
> The real problem happens when the GUI is considered to
> be all anybody needs. 

I think there's no need to worry (yet). Some of us use FreeBSD on
headless systems (which often don't even have the VGA and keyboard
circuitry). And of course, we install via remote serial consoles.
Anything purely GUI-oriented with no alternative would mean instant
migration to OpenBSD or another OS for purely practical reasons.

So, no, I don't see text-based sysinstall disappear anytime soon. ;-)

> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:10:42 +0200
Peter Schuller <peter.schuller@infidyne.com> wrote:

> I recently began testing mergemaster -U since the perpetual "review
> diff of file I never touched" grows annoying real quick.
> 
> Unfortunately I recently discovered that it does not seem to do what
> you might expect. For example it nuked my mailer.conf on one machine,
> and my /etc/namedb/named.conf (!!!) on another machine.
> 
> Is this a bug or intended? What is the intended functionality of -U?
> 

I noticed this recently too: after using mergemaster -U without
problems for a long time it suddenly went and overwrote named.conf on
a recently upgrade of 7-STABLE.

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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:20:45 -0500, Andrew Gould <andrewlylegould@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never done video editing on FreeBSD; but on a Mac, you can create a
> movie using slides and a sound file (wav, mp3, etc).  You would need an
> application that could import images and sound, and let you sync the two by
> assigning the order and duration of each slide.  It would then have to spit
> out a movie file, of course.
> 
> Any video editing (on FreeBSD) knowledge out there?

No knowledge, but idea: As you know, mencoder can do everything.
So it should be possible to create something like a strain of
image files (like "animated GIF") and put it together with a
sound file then. This could be done for smaller pieces first
(one slide + text speech), and then the slides could be
concatenated to create the whole video file.

The file format should be a standardized and free format in
first position, and for those who cannot ("Windows") or are
not allowed to (?) use them, formats like MPEG and AVI could
be added.

if mencoder can't do the thing with the images, maybe it's
worth taking a look at ImageMagick and its convert command.


> Another option is a python script that uses vnc to create a shockwave flash
> file from your actions on your desktop:
> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
> 
> The script is able to import a sound file that you record while you create
> the demo.

Interesting idea, but I would suggest to avoid "Flash" whenever possible.
But to continue this idea: If the output is a simple .flv file, it could
be turned into something standardized using mencoder again. I've used
youtube-dl and mencoder to do so - but only three times! I swear it's
true! :-) (After "Flash" annoyed me so much on web pages, I decided
to relapse my system into a "Flash"-free state.



-- 
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> If your willing to buy books concerning FreeBSD I'd suggest Absolute
> FreeBSD 2nd edition (if you have use Unix like systems) or FreeBSD
> Unleashed 6 (though it was published at the of FreeBSD 6 it is still
> very applicable and provides introduction to Unix like systems).

Second the recommendation on both books.  I recently found booksellers
discounting "FreeBSD Unleashed 6" and was able to pick it up for $14USD at a
local retailer.  It's still very applicable to FreeBSD 7.x versions.

I think "Absolute FreeBSD" (2nd Edition) is also acceptable even if you
haven't been exposed much to Unix-based operating systems.  It just goes
through the introduction quicker.  It's mainly for people who wish to run
FreeBSD in a server environment, as opposed to a desktop environment.




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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:22:22AM +0200, Ruben de Groot wrote:
> > Configuring nsswitch.conf in linux emulation environment,
> > the program worked properly.  I did't know I had to set 
> > /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf for linux binary compatibility.
> 
> That's interesting. Was there a /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf before?
> I think that if it's not there, the linux emulation layer should take
> the system's /etc/nsswitch.conf as default. But I might be wrong(TM).

What does TM mean? :-(

Yes. I didn't make /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf but just modified
the file that had already existed. I also configured 
/compat/linux/etc/yp.conf and /compat/linux/etc/sysconfig/network to
use NIS.

I examined the linux emulator takes /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf.

/etc/nsswitch.conf:
$ grep -v -e ^$ -e ^# /etc/nsswitch.conf 
group: compat
group_compat: nis
hosts: files dns
networks: files
passwd: compat
passwd_compat: nis
shells: files
services: compat
services_compat: nis
protocols: files
rpc: files

/compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf:
$ grep -v -e ^$ -e ^# /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf
passwd:     files nis
shadow:     files nis
group:      files nis
hosts:      files dns
bootparams: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files
ethers:     files
netmasks:   files
networks:   files
protocols:  files
rpc:        files
services:   files
netgroup:   nisplus
publickey:  nisplus
automount:  files nisplus
aliases:    files nisplus

And the sample program "sample.c":
#include<sys/types.h>
#include<stdio.h>
#include<pwd.h>

int main(){
        struct passwd *pw;
        pw = getpwuid(getuid()); 
        if(pw){
                printf("success\n");
        } else {
                printf("error\n");
        }      
}

I compiled the sample for both freebsd and linux binaries.
With the setting above I ran each binary, both binaries resulted success.

But when "nis" is not written in linux emulation environment's nsswitch.conf,
the linux binary results error.

-- 
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Charles Oppermann <chuckop@gmail.com>wrote:

> > If your willing to buy books concerning FreeBSD I'd suggest Absolute
> > FreeBSD 2nd edition (if you have use Unix like systems) or FreeBSD
> > Unleashed 6 (though it was published at the of FreeBSD 6 it is still
> > very applicable and provides introduction to Unix like systems).
>
> Second the recommendation on both books.  I recently found booksellers
> discounting "FreeBSD Unleashed 6" and was able to pick it up for $14USD at
> a
> local retailer.  It's still very applicable to FreeBSD 7.x versions.
>
> I think "Absolute FreeBSD" (2nd Edition) is also acceptable even if you
> haven't been exposed much to Unix-based operating systems.  It just goes
> through the introduction quicker.  It's mainly for people who wish to run
> FreeBSD in a server environment, as opposed to a desktop environment.
>
>
If you don't understand networking, I'd add a third recommendation for
"Absolute FreeBSD."  Understanding networking at some level will help
troubleshoot many problems and will help you understand many security
issues.  Michael Lucas makes it easy to learn.

Andrew

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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:22:22AM +0200, Ruben de Groot wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 05:34:16PM +0900, Kouichiro Iwao typed:
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:17:11AM -0700, Chris Cowart wrote:
> > > This error means the program tried to look up some name information for
> > > your UID number and failed. You need to configure the data source in
> > > /etc/nsswitch.conf:
> > > 
> > > group: files cache ldap
> > > passwd: files cache ldap
> > 
> > I've already set like you showed.
> > But, not for /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf .
> > 
> > Configuring nsswitch.conf in linux emulation environment,
> > the program worked properly.  I did't know I had to set 
> > /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf for linux binary compatibility.
> 
> That's interesting. Was there a /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf before?
> I think that if it's not there, the linux emulation layer should take
> the system's /etc/nsswitch.conf as default. But I might be wrong(TM).
> 

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant.

# cd /compat/linux/etc
# mv nsswitch.conf nsswitch.conf.dummy

And I ran the sample program, the linux binary resuled success.
The linux emulator seems to take the /etc/nsswitch.conf.

However, it is true that /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf had already
existed when I was going to edit.

-- 
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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:18:43 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> >       yes, the voices [from audio/festival] are pretty good; i use
> >       them to read boring stuff
> >       to me when i'm about brain-dead!  but these voices just don't cut
> >       it given the kind of quasi-poetic stuff i have.
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to use a natural speaker then? I know there's
> no such person in the ports collection... :-)
>
>
This is a very good point.  (Especially since Majel Barrett-Roddenberry,
voice of the computer in the original tv series of "Star Trek," is no longer
with us.)

Writings of such a human nature deserve a real human's voice and
interpretation.

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Hello.

My favourite ports manager is portmanager. But after the last fresh install 
of PcBSD 7.1 "Galileo Edition", when i run portmanager i get this only output
line:

/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libMG.so.2" not found, required by "portmanager"

Into the directory /usr/local/lib/ there are a file named libMG.so.2

Any help whith this, please?. Where is the problem?.

Thanks very much, in advance.

Regards.

Jose.

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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:47:04 -0500, Andrew Gould <andrewlylegould@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a very good point.  (Especially since Majel Barrett-Roddenberry,
> voice of the computer in the original tv series of "Star Trek," is no longer
> with us.)

You could employ the computer voice woman from "The Andromeda
Strain" (the movie by Robert Wise). :-)



> Writings of such a human nature deserve a real human's voice and
> interpretation.

You can do a lot with synthesized spoken language, but the
human "voice perception apparatus" reacts to them differently
than it does to a native (natural) voice, even if both say the
same text.

For example, the "Die Bahn" (our federal-wide railway company
for transportation of persons) uses a synthetic voice on some
stations. This voice is harder to understand when coming out
of the PA loudspeakers than the previously used natural human
voice was, allthough the human voice ocassionally spoke with
some accent or dialect ("Layptsh Houbtbarnhouf, alls nars
hibbe!" or "Beet olls arsshtoygn, dees Tsoog is karpoot!")
While the brain does automatically "correct" language properties
such as a (strange) dialect or accent, it searches for similar
patterns in the synthetic language (because it simply doesn't
sound "correct"), but cannot find them.


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> You can do a lot with synthesized spoken language, but the
> human "voice perception apparatus" reacts to them differently
> than it does to a native (natural) voice, even if both say the
> same text.

until someone will make speech synthetizer good enough ;)


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> I think there's no need to worry (yet). Some of us use FreeBSD on
> headless systems (which often don't even have the VGA and keyboard
> circuitry). And of course, we install via remote serial consoles.
> Anything purely GUI-oriented with no alternative would mean instant
> migration to OpenBSD or another OS for purely practical reasons.

AFAIK OpenBSD isn't GUI oriented. Linux is, and windows

>
> So, no, I don't see text-based sysinstall disappear anytime soon. ;-)
>
>> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
>> Systems Engineer
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Hello all,

I'm building a file server that must use an external sata hard drive
enclosure. It will begin with 3 2TB (RE4-GP) hard drives and expand as
needed. I've looked at 3ware and Areca hardware raid controllers with
external sata/sas ports and currently have some doubts of whether the
cost can justify the performance. This is also an addition of yet
another piece of hardware that can fail.

The machine is using a Q6600 processor with 8 GB of memory, so I'm
thinking that a software raid5 solution may not be such a bad idea.
The question is what port multiplier hardware does FreeBSD 7 support?
I found an 8-bay rosewill enclosure that claims to use
Sil3726/Sil3132R5 controllers. Is there a driver that supports these,
and if so, what throughput can I expect from this setup (compared to
hardware raid alternatives)?

- Max

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Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> When downloading files over FTP (proftpd) or HTTP (apache 2.2) I only
>> get about 800kb/s, uploading seems to have the same limit (couldn't
>> test it really, as my line stops at abount 860kb/s). When I start
>> multiple downloads, I get 800kb/s for each transfer, up to about
>> 5000kb/s, which is the limit of my downstream at home.
>>
>> Is there some kind of traffic shaping or QOS somewhere?
>>
> 
> or ethernet autonegotiation problems  - one side gets full duplex other
> half duplex.

I agree.

Check the interface on the device that connects into their network. You
will likely see all sorts of interface errors.

Try having them force to 100/Full, and you do the same at your end.

Steve

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Hi,

Is there a guide that talks about how to optimize the kernel memory
resources (kern.ipc.shmmax, etc)?

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Hi,

I have an msdos partition with a large amount of data. Is there a way to
convert to a ufs partition without having to remove the data off the
partition first?

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IMHO there are no converters

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Christopher Chambers wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have an msdos partition with a large amount of data. Is there a way to
> convert to a ufs partition without having to remove the data off the
> partition first?
>
> -- 
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>
> I agree.
>
> Check the interface on the device that connects into their network. You
> will likely see all sorts of interface errors.
>
> Try having them force to 100/Full, and you do the same at your end.
>
it's VERY common when other end is cisco switch ;) and nothing helps 
except using other NIC.

i have that problem with the ISP one place - the only card that worked 
well was ordinary RTL8139.

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> thinking that a software raid5 solution may not be such a bad idea.

software raid5 isn't any more bad than hardware raid5 most cases.

just raid5 is bad if you use it in ANY type of load except:

a) mostly reads - then set LARGE RAID stripe size
b) mostly huge files - then set small RAID stripe size to have highest 
single thread transfer, or large to have higher concurency.

EVERY OTHER case is bad case for RAID5 - just remember small write on 
RAID5=2 reads+2 writes on disks.


> The question is what port multiplier hardware does FreeBSD 7 support?

it unfortunately doesn't. but your hardware RAID controllers drive disks 
by itself and presents virtual drives to system, and system has nothing to 
do with it.
so ask manufacturer if it supports port multipliers.


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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:08:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:18:43 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > 	yes, the voices [from audio/festival] are pretty good; i use
> > 	them to read boring stuff
> > 	to me when i'm about brain-dead!  but these voices just don't cut
> > 	it given the kind of quasi-poetic stuff i have.
> 
> Wouldn't it be easier to use a natural speaker then? I know there's
> no such person in the ports collection... :-)
> 

	One of my friends from my writing group would be perfect, but he 
	won't do it.  Not even for money!  [?]

	Before I try to find a real-life-human, :), I'd like to first
	find some snapshots/photos.  

	gary


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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 07:47:04AM -0500, Andrew Gould wrote:
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> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:18:43 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
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> > >       it given the kind of quasi-poetic stuff i have.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be easier to use a natural speaker then? I know there's
> > no such person in the ports collection... :-)
> >
> >
> This is a very good point.  (Especially since Majel Barrett-Roddenberry,
> voice of the computer in the original tv series of "Star Trek," is no longer
> with us.)
> 
> Writings of such a human nature deserve a real human's voice and
> interpretation.


	The one thing my friend said was: "The first time I read this
	stuff it sounds fine and makes sense.  Then I stop and re-read
	and I get lost."   

	I'm glad I took Chuck Robey's advice and used a poetic notation
	rather than just plain prose.  With poetry, you can use imagery
	and symbology, etc.  You can get across more in poetry than
	prose, but it's a bear to learn to do well.

	gary



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Hello,

I have a strange HTTP connectivity problem in my LAN. There is a
FreeBSD 7.1 system that runs the httpd, a Vista system that I use to
connect to it, and a Tomato 1.23 WRT54GL router between them. It often
occurs that I can ping the FreeBSD system just fine, but HTTP
connections get "stuck" for minutes on end. After they become
"unstuck", everything works normally for a while, and then the problem
might come back. I know the httpd is running fine during those times
because there are no delays connecting locally or from outside the
LAN. It seems I also get similar delays when I try to connect to the
router's web administration panel. There are so many variables that
I'm not sure whether the problem lies with FreeBSD or something else.
I'm hoping somebody with more networking experience could give me some
hints about where to look, because I'm seriously stuck.

Best,
R. <http://dabas.untu.ms/>

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>> by the by, on my test machine i ended up with python installed. seems to be
>> because i needed php5-gd which now depends on python. all for some simple
>> freetype2 calls.
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> Wrong assumption. php-gd doesn't depend on python at all. devel/apr does, so
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> WITHOUT_X11=yes when building, so libxcb is pulled in which uses python:
> 
> % sudo /stable/root/bin/finddep.php graphics/php5-gd lang/python26
> /usr/ports/x11/xcb-proto: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
> /usr/ports/x11/xcb-proto: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
> /usr/ports/x11/libxcb: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
> /usr/ports/x11/libxcb: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
> /usr/ports/devel/apr: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26
> 
> % sudo env WITHOUT_X11=yes /stable/root/bin/finddep.php graphics/php5-gd
> lang/python26
> /usr/ports/devel/apr: /usr/local/bin/python2.6 => /usr/ports/lang/python26

thanks for the tip, mel. i got rid of the ports involved and reinstalled
with WITHOUT_X11=yes and the install was faster and things are a lot tidier.

i had no idea that i ought to be configuring port builds with env vars. is
there documentation anywhere so i find out about these options in gneral?




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On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 06:08:36PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >You can do a lot with synthesized spoken language, but the
> >human "voice perception apparatus" reacts to them differently
> >than it does to a native (natural) voice, even if both say the
> >same text.
> 
> until someone will make speech synthetizer good enough ;)


	i spent several hours yesterday poking around at the
	natural-voice and the entirely synthetic methodology of
	spoken language.  the first is tricky enough.  the second 
	method that emulates the vocal mechanics probably gets into
	complexity theory!  so maybe in another 50-75 years... .

	gary

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Reading the second half of these mailings got me thinking.  Thinking of ways
to detect what CAN be done, and what CAN'T -- based entirely on the hardware
at boot.  I think that we might come to a middle ground to get something
working.  Here's my thought process right now, with hopefully ample samples
to example my angle (that was fun to say).


It's based on two principles.  First is the CPU class.  If it's a 486 or
586, run a pure dialog(3) interface.  If it's a slow 686 (and the fudge
factor to define slow is based on Xorg's *recommended* CPU specs + the
software installation CPU/RAM needs), run the dialog(3) interface.  If it's
a fast 686, default to a X environment.

Second (which ties into the first) is the hardware that was probed during
boot-time.  If a /dev entry (or even some sysctl) exists for a pci/agp/pci-e
device, it can run a graphical installer.  If it finds none of the graphical
adapters, and sees serial ports, enable the dialog(3) as well.  I feel like
some pseudo-code might help paint the picture more.


text-mode_install = graphic-mode_install = false
if (CPUCLASS<=586 || CPUSPEED<=(Xorg-suggested-minimums+install
requirements)) {
  set text-mode_install true
} else {
  set graphic-mode_install true
}
if (found(VGA-graphics) && graphic-mode_install) {
  exec xinstall
} else {
  # enable console installer
  exec sysinstall
}



I seem to find this very logical and can't (yet) see any flaws with doing
this.  sysinstall is built, we'd just need to maintain it and create the
x-based installer.  Run it with a minimalist (twm?) startup so we don't
waste time booting.

I've also thought about the concept of a web-ui installer, even if it's run
from the local machine.  The benefit of a webui installer is that you can
give the disk to someone, tell them to put it up on a publically available
IP address and just sit back and let it run.  but I ramble on....



And also brainstorming now has brought me another idea about installing base
with the concerns Jordan Hubbard wrote in 2000 mentioned in this thread.
Again based on the hardware probed (this one being the amount of RAM in the
box, in contrast to the amount of disk space needed to install on disk),
create a in-ram disk as the staging area when you write to disk.  The other
idea is to use dump/restore instead of tar files.

It is possible to have a 3GHz machine with 256MB ram as a valid combination,
but when bin distribution is about 128MB in size, and kernel distribution is
128MB in size, and blindly running an X install -- not wise.



Last idea is to do similar to what Ubuntu (used to) do.  Provide a X-based
installer CD and a console-based installer CD.


I'd be happy to provide feedback; these were brainstorming ideas and would
really like to see progress move toward a more eye-candy installer.




Thanks.