From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 01:36:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF25106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436A8FC18 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from [172.17.2.19] (jn@stealth.jnielsen.net [74.218.226.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n4V1anYJ020880; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:36:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 21:36:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on USB drive for a MacBook Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:36:51 -0000 I'm looking for advice and/or pointers. I have an Intel-based MacBook Pro and I would like to use a USB thumb drive to be able to boot FreeBSD on it. Some questions: 1) Is this even possible? I've read that you _can_ boot Mac OS X from a USB hard drive on a new MacBook but I'm not sure if the same goes for non-Mac OSen or thumb drives. 2) What steps should I take to partition the thing? What boot code should I use and where should it live? I'm planning to do a manual installation in any event. 3) If I manage to get 1 and 2 sorted out, will I be able to boot the same thumb drive on a regular PC? Will any additional steps be necessary? 4) Just to be contrary, I'd also like to use GELI (if possible) for everything but /boot. Does needing an extra /boot partition change anything? I'll be doing some experimenting, but if some things are already known (not) to work I'd like to start with as much info as possible. Thanks, JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 03:22:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DB1106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Midspan@phihongusa.com) Received: from pn1.xo.com (pn1.xo.com [207.88.224.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373D28FC13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Midspan@phihongusa.com) Received: from marlborough.xo.com (marlborough.xo.com [207.155.248.73]) by pn1.xo.com (ConcentricHost(2.70) External) with ESMTP id B3BC15E4B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (ConcentricHost relay 1.2); with ESMTP id D884B5B29; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IBM-PAIGE-PC (c-24-14-10-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net [24.14.10.100]) by marlborough.xo.com (ConcentricHost(2.70) Relay) with ESMTP id D884B5B29 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 23:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Midspan Manager" To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: Phihong USA Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:20:42 -0500 Message-Id: <20090531032048.D884B5B29@marlborough.xo.com> Content-Type: text/plain ; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Myths about Power Over Ethernet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:22:04 -0000 Myths about Power Over Ethernet May 28, 2009 Power-over-Ethernet (PoE) technology integrates power and data across = standard Cat5/5e/6 network cabling and provides more flexibility in to= day=E2=80=99s workplace. PoE enables power to be supplied to network d= evices, such as IP phones, network cameras, and wireless access points= through a single, most often existing, network cable. When combined w= ith an uninterruptable power supply (UPS) a PoE network delivers conti= nuous operation and minimizes business downtime by eliminating most po= wer interruptions. With the ability to install endpoints in any locati= on PoE technology provides a scalable and flexible networking infrastr= ucture geared for growth and efficiency. =20 PoE Switches can provide all the power I need or will need. Today most switches are merely PoE-enabled. This means the majority r= ely on power management to share available power across the switch por= ts. The switches are designed with a smaller power supply that is typi= cally capable of powering the switch itself and providing the required= 15.4 watts of power over a limited number of ports.=20 For example: A 24-port PoE Switch with power management typically has= a 195-watt power supply. After the 40 watts needed to power the switc= h, you have approximately 155 watts remaining. If 12 of the 24 ports a= re used to connect end devices using 11.5 watts each, you would only h= ave 17 watts remaining to provide power on the last 12 ports. The mat= h doesn=E2=80=99t match the ports: 195W =E2=80=93 40W (switch) =E2=80=93= 138 (12 devices @ 11.5W/ea) =3D 17W left for power on 12 ports=20 Myth Busted: A PoE Switch is often not the best and most cost effectiv= e solution. =20 =20 A midspan and a PoE switch are the same. A PoE Midspan is not a switch. A Midspan is an additional PoE power s= ource that can be used to offer full power to all endpoint devices. P= oE Midspans (Power Hub or Power Injector) pass data from a switch and = =E2=80=98inject=E2=80=99 safe power acting as a patch panel of sorts. = Midspans are commonly used with either a non-PoE switch, an existing = PoE switch, or a new PoE switch in a network. In addition to offering = full power across all available ports, midspans costs substantially le= ss per port and overall than a new PoE enabled switch. Myth Busted: Midspans do not switch =E2=80=93 they make use of existin= g best-in-class switches. They inject safe power across all ports and= cost less than PoE switches. .=20 =20 Only a switch that has PoE built in should be used to power devices l= ike IP Phones, Access Points, and IP Security Cameras.=20 Switches were designed to, well, switch. PoE Switches are designed wi= th power management and have to distribute different power as required= to ports but there is often not enough power for all devices plus the= power required to complete the primary task - switching. Networks th= at have multiple devices like IP phones, IP cameras, wireless access p= oints quickly go beyond the limited capacity of managed power PoE swit= ches. As more PoE devices continue to grow in capabilities and market= share this managed power limitation will become more and more evident= =2E Midspans, in contrast to switches, were designed to provide full = power on every port and deliver safe and reliable power based on the i= ndustry standards (IEEE802.3af/at).=20 Myth Busted: Rather than relying on power management in a switch use a= midspan that can deliver full power (15.4W) to every port for all PoE= -enabled devices now and in the future. =20 =20 Ethernet devices not PoE-enabled (non 802.3af/at compliant) cannot be= powered using PoE technology.=20 Many devices do not directly accept Power-over-Ethernet but can still = use PoE technology. If the device uses less than 12.5 watts (802.3af) = or less than 50 watts (802.3at+) and connects to an IP Ethernet networ= k you can use a PoE splitter. PoE splitters enable you to accept PoE = power from any IEEE 802.3af/at compliant switch or midspan then separa= tes the data and power on to two seprate cables. The data is connecte= d to the end device through a standard RJ45 plug while the power is co= nnected using a standard 5.5 x 2.1 x 12mm Adapter Plug. Splitters can= also convert the input voltage to the required voltage for a non-PoE = device. Splitters are traditionally used with older network products w= hich only accept power through their (DC) jack and data through their = RJ-45 jack. Myth Busted: PoE splitters can be used in conjunction with PoE midspan= s and switches to provide both the data connectivity and power require= d by most endpoint devices.=20 =20 I need/will need additional PoE switch ports to power my IP cameras a= nd high-power pan, tilt, and zoom (PTZ) cameras.=20 Today, many devices have evolved into more advanced solutions with hig= her power requirements. The traditional approach was to endure a =E2=80= =9Cforklift upgrade=E2=80=9D. This meant buying new PoE switches at co= nsiderable cost and physically swapping out the existing switches to m= eet higher power requirements or add more powered ports. There is an e= asy and more cost-effective way =E2=80=93 separate the data and power = in the wiring closet (IBF). It is more efficient and costs less to sep= arate your data and power allowing you to keep your best-in-class busi= ness switch for your IP needs and supplement it where required with be= st-in-class midspan technology to power the endpoints.=20 Myth Busted: A PoE Switch is often not the best and most cost effectiv= e solution.=20 =20 All midspans are created equal . . . they are all the same.=20 Always select a best-in-class midspan. If you wanted to enhance your s= witched network wouldn=E2=80=99t use a best-in-class network switch? = Of course you would. A midspan designed and manufactured by a leading = power supply company that understands power, power requirements, and o= ne that delivers enterprise-level solutions.=20 Select a midspan manufacturer that has multiple members on the IEEE (P= oE) committee helping to define safe, new PoE standards. This ensures = that every midspan is designed to meet current and future IEEE specifi= cations for Power-over-Ethernet.=20 Select a midspan manufacturer that designs, manufactures, and tests it= s own product rather than outsourcing these tasks across the globe to = cut costs. Select a midspan that has a high-speed, common interface to access the= management console. A USB port is not as cheap as a serial port (RS-2= 32) but is faster, more user-friendly, and more common on high quality= midspans.=20 Myth Busted: Although there are many midspan manufacturers out there, = few have the power supply experience, quality controls, and manufactur= ing capability to produce best-in-class midspans. All midspans are NO= T created equal. =20 =20 =20 =C2=A92009 midspans.com. Midspans.com is a division of Phihong USA Inc. All Rights Reserved=20 You are being sent this email because you have expressed interest in = PoE products in the past. If you do not wish to receive emails from us= in the future and be removed from our list please click on the link b= elow.=20 To unsubscribe, please click here. www.phihong.com - 47800 Fremont Blvd., Fremont, CA. 94538 - Phone 510-= 445-0100=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 20:08:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614F5106567B for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yavuz.maslak@netiletisim.net) Received: from pop3.ihlas.net.tr (posta.ihlasnet.com.tr [213.238.128.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0448FC1E for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yavuz.maslak@netiletisim.net) Received: (qmail 58832 invoked by uid 89); 30 May 2009 23:08:08 +0300 Received: from ihlasnetym (HELO desktop2002) (yavuz.maslak@netiletisim.net@213.238.150.220) by pop3.ihlas.net.tr with SMTP; 30 May 2009 23:08:08 +0300 Message-ID: <32914FF12A6A47E48839C2343FDA1AAC@desktop2002> From: =?iso-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= To: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:08:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-9"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Disclaimer: netiletisim.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:25:41 +0000 Subject: about using ppp over ethernet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:08:15 -0000 I use freebsd7.1 I have a adsl modem. I am going to use freebsd as a router and firewall. I wish to use over pppoe. I set the adsl modem as a bridge mode. I configured ppp.conf on freebsd. When I try to connect to internet using ADSL, But I get an error as below; Freebsd can't ping at any outside ip. Therefore I am not able to reach to internet in this way. What am I doing wrong? Any advice ? Thanks May 21 17:35:54 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish May 21 17:35:54 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening May 21 17:35:54 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! May 21 17:35:54 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial May 21 17:35:54 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier May 21 17:35:55 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_ACNAME (hook "SE-ATAKOY-NEC-1") May 21 17:35:55 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_SESSIONID May 21 17:35:55 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_SUCCESS May 21 17:35:55 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> login May 21 17:35:55 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp May 21 17:35:56 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Authenticate May 21 17:35:56 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: his = PAP, mine = none May 21 17:35:56 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: Pap Output: xyza@ttnet ******** May 21 17:35:57 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS () May 21 17:35:57 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open May 21 17:35:57 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Network May 21 17:35:57 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0/0: Change route failed: errno: No such process May 21 17:35:57 gw110 ppp[1215]: tun0: Warning: ff02:7::/32: Change route failed: errno: Network is unreachable cat /etc/rc.conf gw110# ifconfig xl0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:60:97:b8:77:eb media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active stge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 00:22:15:10:73:04 inet 10.11.1.221 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.11.1.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active plip0: flags=108810 metric 0 mtu 1500 pflog0: flags=0<> metric 0 mtu 33204 lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 pfsync0: flags=0<> metric 0 mtu 1460 syncpeer: 224.0.0.240 maxupd: 128 tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1492 inet 88.238.76.207 --> 88.238.64.1 netmask 0xffffffff Opened by PID 1215 tun1: flags=8010 metric 0 mtu 1500 gw110# ping 88.238.76.207 PING 88.238.76.207 (88.238.76.207): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 88.238.76.207: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.831 ms 64 bytes from 88.238.76.207: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.222 ms 64 bytes from 88.238.76.207: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.206 ms Bu elektronik posta ve varsa ekleri tamamen gizli ve gönderilen kişiler listesine özeldir. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 03:49:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CA5106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE76C8FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 03:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n4V3n03V042443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n4V3n02n042438; Sat, 30 May 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA13471; Sat, 30 May 09 20:37:39 PDT Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:36:47 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Message-Id: <4a21fb4f.tCv44B9UaB1L03/b%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 03:49:03 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >> Even 15 seconds of thinking is enough to understand that logging > >> to other user and then su - gives completely no extra security. > > > > I don't buy this, given that root's login name is well known :) > > if someone can intercept the passwords you type, then he/she will > intercept both user password you log in and then su password you > type. > > He/she actually can gain more if you use su, as you may use the > same user password somewhere else. The whole point of ssh is to prevent this sort of thing, by encrypting the message traffic over this insecure communication channel. An attacker may be able to intercept the encrypted traffic, but it will take a skilled cryptanalyst and a lot of CPU time -- or the attacker will have to be very lucky -- to decrypt the message and recover the passwords while they are still valid. (You *do* change passwords periodically, don't you?) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 04:22:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3B2106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle.g18@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FB88FC19 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 04:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle.g18@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so10069935qyk.3 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:22:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent :organization; bh=uh4c3cJ16tKCEmE9Hg4OhelHOAOjP/4oVRtWNSCfvdY=; b=jB5F3b1cv347OBPFt6YrRCi13eG6Id41WrGLJLefjoL1Q9Xjind/8L6/0kfAGz1j8X zIiGERmEd1+n73h7arrdY4t/IEaVYXZ+hu/uclxdWCExa5fJte4h5uPQ3Czv8yd+hg5v LtUpX9d/7TBY/b8PxLX+i7Ez+q9OXCpF3FoHc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:organization; b=k/jcx/I3NEObhTJjYP15Zqfd2H6gIBfEBy38mpo6tJEwQVEYQq6BTMLhd+ZbhVeHgj ajKxdmsKimEFRfDRNT4g2QXMq2MvgtDNpND1TeiArrVQZ4IUDQep1mhBarksACEH/OnN giDRZzKdpAPA8xM72FL8E9KMsHjkzcxk93ObM= Received: by 10.224.74.84 with SMTP id t20mr4315771qaj.328.1243742550535; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (CPE-65-25-166-211.wi.res.rr.com [65.25.166.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3106068qwf.25.2009.05.30.21.02.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 May 2009 21:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:02:28 -0500 From: Kyle Grieb To: FreeBSD-Questions Message-ID: <20090531034804.GA35083@Buglouse.Sytes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: (Illusion) Cc: Subject: Audio boost OSS/Mplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 04:22:45 -0000 I want to boost the audio playback of my multimedia. I use mplayer with oss for audio playback. I don't want to re-encode my media. uname -a:'7.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD' -- ~ ##The United States of America is a Slave Nation## ##The Human race is a Slave race## !!InfoWars.com!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 05:26:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19621065673 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994628FC16 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 05:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so3612105yxb.13 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 22:26:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=i0onimX4DccQwrxzUzvkj2mcXiT/RY1E1dofWe3quO8=; b=CIajEldREew0xJqxF66zx6+Ex5Y/NuqKXFUsTVYABPg5HU9mYvuImKIu94cpeTNHa2 KnU6yB9EbpO2Yg45+7lqvMG/C9vFJXqfIO1x0YJLCDUAkR11nH1t4JzUsoBkRJ9xNiqn 1jfinoCxyi/lCUMJZwd9FSXmh9Hmk06vVXaAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=L7BgPMypbQCHKC/nPl2CDuduBy5SvVTVAM1akeaZHH+lRP8Q/y9mRcJUOHgXMLN6Ru jqjCrHIzAcjlCf70v2SwpTaXb2KpYDGm0440ZhN7nE9TBwS/XnJ05ybHrtnlbAx9fT8k sT01CjQSBybclWOPfQ/tLbC/YNqBSC8m3mWsQ= Received: by 10.90.93.8 with SMTP id q8mr3852514agb.13.1243745998981; Sat, 30 May 2009 21:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (173-23-69-3.client.mchsi.com [173.23.69.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm5160396aga.24.2009.05.30.21.59.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 May 2009 21:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:59:48 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE] Audio going silent after wakeup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 05:26:16 -0000 After setting up an Audigy2ZS with the emu10kx kernel driver, I found that after the machine goes into a suspend mode and wakes up, the sound stops playing. Unloading and reloading the kernel drivers (sound.ko and snd_emu10kx.ko) doesn't appear to do anything. I tested with an external line device and mplayer. A reboot clears up the symptoms. Has anyone else noticed this before? Is there a way to get the problem to sit up and bark without doing a complete reboot? --Joseph Lenox From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 06:00:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8746D1065670; Sun, 31 May 2009 06:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05938FC12; Sun, 31 May 2009 06:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4V60eCC092137; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:00:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:00:40 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:00:46 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote in freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 260, Issue 31 [..] > 1. Fw: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console (Graham Bentley) > 2. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > (Mel Flynn) > 3. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > (Valentin Bud) > 4. Re: MIME attachments in mbox files (Ian Smith) > 5. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Jerry) > 6. FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > (Prokofyev Vladislav) > 7. GSM to Serial Converter (Exemys) > 8. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found (Mel Flynn) > 9. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > (Michael Powell) > 10. Re: GSM to Serial Converter (Kevin Kinsey) > 11. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (cpghost) > 12. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > (Prokofyev Vladislav) > 13. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > 14. Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start > (Wojciech Puchar) > 15. Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge (Ian Smith) > 16. Re: What is this forum for? (Wojciech Puchar) > 17. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Wojciech Puchar) > 18. Re: What is this forum for? (Wojciech Puchar) > 19. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found (Mel Flynn) > 20. Re: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > 21. Re: Competition law (was Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint) > (Wojciech Puchar) > 22. RE: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > 23. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > 24. Re: MIME attachments in mbox files (Wojciech Puchar) > 25. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > 26. Re: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > 27. Re: Remotely edit user disk quota (Wojciech Puchar) > 28. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > (Wojciech Puchar) > 29. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Mel Flynn) > 30. Re: Software creating karaoke from mp3 files (Wojciech Puchar) > 31. Re: Greylisting and new posters (Wojciech Puchar) > 32. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > (Wojciech Puchar) > 33. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > 34. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (cpghost) > 35. Filter request Re: GSM to Serial Converter (Wojciech Puchar) > 36. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Wojciech Puchar) Woj, 20 out of 36 messages, over 55% of all these messages, are by you. Having been very busy in recent weeks, I'd accumulated about 24 digests unread that I ploughed through yesterday, many of which featured over 50% of messages either from you, or from silly people reacting to you, whose ranks I must join for just this once. I gather that you're hoping to prove that without moderation - as we've enjoyed for 11 years that I've experienced - if you keep on flooding the list with so much off-topic crap, then we'll be forced into accepting your wish for the list to be controlled, post by post, by some poor bastard who needs to be awake 24/7/365 and has little else of a life. I don't have the sort of free time (nor apparent need) that you have to try fashioning this sometimes-helpful list after my own wishes, which is why I get digests, posting occasionally where I think I can maybe help. I'm also subscribed to about a dozen other FreeBSD lists that in total deliver not many more messages per day than this one sometimes does. You're not even being vaguely consistent. You're fast to agree with our resident M$ troll when he argues against government control of anything, even of protecting the population from a 'free' market that's happy to profit by poisoning people in body or mind, but then you insist we need to establish another sort of 'government' to control what people want to discuss on these lists? Fortunately, that's just not going to happen. You are quite capable of being helpful and even useful to the FreeBSD Project, if you'd focus your energies on things you do know something about and by widening your experience in areas covered by other lists. You are equally as capable in this role as wannabe list wrecker, opining on every second message including all the silly wildly off-topic ones. You already HAVE the power to greatly improve this list. Please do so. Sincerely, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:03:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D431065674 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5E18FC24 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so501667fxm.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BeWFYDkKfaA3vfRUTTdXnH3zBmPH4zaDZIjhlyOJQc0=; b=NcXOeSi5YLUlHNQP1IoVdoO/93vErisRF87kbOI1jDMT9+HiVWMVnLpTNg88a85OvA yxZU38G383EimYWSVV+mO8SjCwuov9ayWpT+eLcpxowL8oPpGyPZLTwZydlEwOg2gKYS nxZQkuOOvs0XFVtonQVbGNEYZjbByG+bH9bVc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TDDS1m7vl8MYxBh9GtnArsHppdt0WQ89KoviihK4Uba8NrWud8U79dE+mSIj3XV5dr RxTDqm0AxeYiiuNKDek9Q9sJWkVtnzxmjFPnp0cbuYgU1BYQWjLCqKIsna3FMTat3O1x CLo2SSVTrGOh422KBIG7qZ9J2W3UVvKLgH5uc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.142 with SMTP id r14mr4273193bkq.197.1243757000113; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:03:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:03:00 +0100 Message-ID: To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:03:22 -0000 2009/5/31 Polytropon : > On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber = wrote: >> For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? =A0(Not >> arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) > > This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put > everything into one partition, i. e. /, then everything is > going into /. > > If you have separate partitions, e. g. /, /tmp, /var, /usr > and /home, then /opt would take space on /. On most installations > that use this approach, / is "as big as needed" for what it > is used: the basic SUM stuff and mountpoints, nothing more. > > Of couse, it's possible to extend the approach mentioned to > have another partition for /opt. > > In order to not to deal with this problem, one could even make > a symlink /opt@ -> /usr/local2. > > To summarize: You are correct. :-) > > By the way, I've not seen anyone using /opt on FreeBSD yet, > I just wanted to mention that it is possible. (There are > other "Solarisisms" that I've already seen, such as /export > on FreeBSD which is usually used on Solaris for NFS shares.) > > IIRC, I installed NetBeans onto my computer a really long time ago... and it wormed into /opt. Disgraceful behaviour, I can't remember why I didn't use ports. That was when I switched to Eclipse! Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:07:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7246010656A4 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1278FC33 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so502697fxm.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BrpDEj/iMOmni5RdxN5KN7aSshg+SQDpVx16eh2g+TA=; b=QhV1ROvos5PfEe7WAjAMcnSAU47nmQURbqyESdKPfIKh3DGYqEemtJm7nC/RPz+TSc EkO4mqWnVBOlUwYKqodxIwNGFKYo8FJB4wS6ZvQzMCh/huaZRSI5oFEBS9xeZWMGBj96 lkkgL1i6aMA6VMhJMXm6+tlTzejJRMcBQtdiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hMpnDTHkvnyfrWu5oAUk++71oGDnhe13yCl0RE4udE5+InlPaZA5kGjZUf+srwiVYV WJRmTBqgZLeAVwCuX815XiIP8aw0wVvGbxpRbxpoKjszQPw2EcbizVTdqurtVxpzzM3S N0fErxwok7OfQcpE7avT/Me4/eIDCI6TNNeWk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.51.130 with SMTP id d2mr4333501bkg.12.1243757231105; Sun, 31 May 2009 01:07:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:06:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: John Nielsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on USB drive for a MacBook Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:07:14 -0000 2009/5/31 John Nielsen : > I'm looking for advice and/or pointers. I have an Intel-based MacBook Pro > and I would like to use a USB thumb drive to be able to boot FreeBSD on > it. Some questions: > > 1) Is this even possible? I've read that you _can_ boot Mac OS X from a > USB hard drive on a new MacBook but I'm not sure if the same goes for > non-Mac OSen or thumb drives. Yes. It is possible; as long as you can fit it on. The EFI is quite capable of handling USB sticks. > 2) What steps should I take to partition the thing? What boot code should > I use and where should it live? I'm planning to do a manual installation > in any event. Use Disk Utility, and use GPT layout, as long as you don't care about booting then stick on PCs. > 3) If I manage to get 1 and 2 sorted out, will I be able to boot the same > thumb drive on a regular PC? Will any additional steps be necessary? See above. > 4) Just to be contrary, I'd also like to use GELI (if possible) for > everything but /boot. Does needing an extra /boot partition change > anything? Doubt it, that shouldn't be a problem. See http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=14468 > I'll be doing some experimenting, but if some things are already known > (not) to work I'd like to start with as much info as possible. > > Thanks, > > JN Good luck. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:11:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF601106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DB58FC13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8AtPU015378; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:11:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4V8AtPU015378 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243757463; bh=OQLr3qoI2F1zZUinn2/dtJSRxlwcx9kgAM9yMKlne60=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A223B88.80401@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun ,=2031=20May=202009=2009:10:48=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|To:=20Grant=20Peel=20|CC:=20freebsd- questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Mysql6=20or=20Mysql5|Refere nces:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95. 6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D= 0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D "------------enig19F81413F48E115382450617"; b=FwxrDTXfpNKe71ZNdeM64qWzmD15q0O3UZSuDEHjXeQtc6E119cLLcQnK/2cWctPR wtEJ3H2sOaX8LpJDMvc9+ZWuEFpDSurH/TW8P9R0/5FEJtf81oUeG3v9rrS3h0aaql yMbXQii8sczvChtkjzGeIvHl3tt6tRNIgwwpGpk0= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A223B88.80401@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:10:48 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Peel References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig19F81413F48E115382450617" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mysql6 or Mysql5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:11:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig19F81413F48E115382450617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Grant Peel wrote: > Does anyone have any expierience with it? Is it solid? Fast? Are > there any 'gotchas' when using databases developed on older versions > of Mysql? (4). I can't answer about speed or solidity -- except to point out that MySQL themselves describe MYSQL 6.0 as an "alpha development release". http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/6.0.html MySQL 5.1 is the preferred generally-available release at the moment. 5.1= is certainly reasonably solid, but I don't think it offers much in terms of = speed increases over 5.0 and it's likely to be slower than a 4.x system. Of co= urse, 4.x doesn't support any of the transactional stuff or foreign keys or hig= her concurrency / multiple CPUs anything like as well as the later versions. As for compatibility between MySQL 4.x and MySQL 6.x; well, it might work= , but the chances are it will break due to a number of small but incompatib= le changes in schemas, SQL etc. etc. Most readily available software will w= ork with MySQL 5.0+ nowadays, and it is usually possible for a reasonably exp= erienced DBA to load data dumped out of a 4.x server into a 5.x server without too= much expenditure of either ingenuity or profanity. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig19F81413F48E115382450617 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEAREIAAYFAkoiO44ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIw8YwCXXQEXEPWl6l/Uoh258j14pTf8 QgCeOV+PKpCWuDysbgidZsqYEytnJME= =br0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig19F81413F48E115382450617-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:25:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1CE106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189FF8FC20 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8PGWg023135; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:25:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8PFvK023132; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:25:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:25:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:25:32 -0000 >> > > For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not in my case yes as / is usually my only filesystem. for those who keep programs (/usr) separate /usr/local2 or /usr/whatever will be OK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:30:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BD3106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC4B8FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:30:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8Uj2A023189; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8Ui3c023186; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:30:59 -0000 > > This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put > everything into one partition, i. e. /, then everything is > going into /. like in my case. with one exception - now i usually have /tmp separate but it's tmpfs :) > other "Solarisisms" that I've already seen, such as /export > on FreeBSD which is usually used on Solaris for NFS shares.) does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export through NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated rule? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:33:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9B31065672; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA7D8FC1B; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8WwPt023220; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8WwBv023217; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:32:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: John Nielsen In-Reply-To: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> Message-ID: References: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on USB drive for a MacBook Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:33:07 -0000 > > 4) Just to be contrary, I'd also like to use GELI (if possible) for > everything but /boot. Does needing an extra /boot partition change > anything? Actually you can't create /boot partition, but something else like /b and link /boot to /b/boot bootloader subsystem requires that things are in /boot subdirectory on bootpartition. make /boot partition a, encrypted partition as d and add in loader.conf vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:da0d.eli" if you do this and not forget to add -b in geli init everything will just work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:38:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5598C1065675 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFC18FC16 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8chiE023252 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:38:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8ch5a023249 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:38:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:38:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090531032048.D884B5B29@marlborough.xo.com> Message-ID: References: <20090531032048.D884B5B29@marlborough.xo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: Myths about Power Over Ethernet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:38:51 -0000 > Myths about Power Over Ethernet > May 28, 2009 > Power-over-Ethernet (PoE) technology integrates power and data across standard Cat5/5e/6 network cabling and provides more flexibility in today?s workplace. PoE enables power to be supplied to network devices, such as IP phones, network cameras, and wireless access points through a single, most often existing, network cable. When combined with an uninterruptable power supply (UPS) a PoE network delivers continuous operation and minimizes business downtime by eliminating most power interruptions. With the ability to install endpoints in any location PoE technology provides a scalable and flexible networking infrastructure geared for growth and efficiency. Unless gigabit ethernet is used, the simplest PoE is to put + on brown pair and - on blue pair, as only green and orange pairs are used. Unless the device doesn't have low voltage like 5V or less as input and doesn't suck too much power it's just fine, and requires just 5-10 minutes or work, soldering iron and insulation tape. It's really funny to see "PoE converter" sets costing at least 150PLN (45$) here doing exactly the same. of course nobody forbids anyone to spent too much :) I even know somebody that had a lots of equipment with american-style power (110V AC), made 220 to 110V transformer and actually put 110V AC OVER CAT5 CABLE. It worked but really - it wasn't safe IMHO :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:43:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0683A106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:43:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF578FC1A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8hngx023266; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8hl7V023263; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:43:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4a21fb4f.tCv44B9UaB1L03/b%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <4a1f9cf7.UEl7lAiK4FGe5eG7%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4a21fb4f.tCv44B9UaB1L03/b%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remotely edit user disk quota X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:43:56 -0000 >> same user password somewhere else. > > The whole point of ssh is to prevent this sort of thing, by > encrypting the message traffic over this insecure communication > channel. I think most people using ssh already know it. or maybe not?:) An attacker may be able to intercept the encrypted > traffic, but it will take a skilled cryptanalyst and a lot of CPU > time -- or the attacker will have to be very lucky -- to decrypt > the message and recover the passwords while they are still valid. All of this things are strong enough to require billions of years to crack or more. >From the beginning my point of this discussion is to stop stupidly repeating "golden rules" like - program a is secure - program b is insecure - so just don't use program b Because it teaches people not to think. There are difference between "insecure program" and "program without extra security". > (You *do* change passwords periodically, don't you?) Of course! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:44:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BC81065678 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95F78FC1A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8iD9s023284; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8iDfm023281; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kyle Grieb In-Reply-To: <20090531034804.GA35083@Buglouse.Sytes.net> Message-ID: References: <20090531034804.GA35083@Buglouse.Sytes.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Audio boost OSS/Mplayer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:44:20 -0000 > I want to boost the audio playback of my multimedia. you mean higher volume. use mixer command > I use mplayer with oss for audio playback. > I don't want to re-encode my media. > > uname -a:'7.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD' > -- > ~ > ##The United States of America is a Slave Nation## > ##The Human race is a Slave race## > !!InfoWars.com!! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:46:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AE81065673; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:46:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065DF8FC1C; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8k18f023310; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:46:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8k1p8023307; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:46:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:46:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:46:09 -0000 > > (Wojciech Puchar) > > 33. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > > 34. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (cpghost) > > 35. Filter request Re: GSM to Serial Converter (Wojciech Puchar) > > 36. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Wojciech Puchar) > > Woj, 20 out of 36 messages, over 55% of all these messages, are by you. That's fine. then please - if you count mine as spam, ignore them and calculate stats with the rest. > 50% of messages either from you, or from silly people reacting to you, So you just classify people as silly because then answer me. It isn't polite i think. > I gather that you're hoping to prove that without moderation - as we've > enjoyed for 11 years that I've experienced - if you keep on flooding the > list with so much off-topic crap. Again - calculate how many not-mine threads are on topic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:47:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881D2106568A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD1F8FC14 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E943CDBB; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4V8lDof009371; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:47:22 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export through > NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated rule? No, just tradition or convention. In most cases, there are other structures than just /home exported via NFS, so there's /export/home, and maybe e. g. /export/packages and /export/www. I've not seen it on Solaris in another way. There's another interestin "IRIXism": As far as I remember, the home directory was kept under /usr (like our /usr/home), but called /usr/people... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:48:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6614610656CF for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1D88FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8lbJu023334; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8lZ42023331; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:47:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4A222825.80709@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <20061208042111.GA709@host.my.domain> <23685866.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090524104618.0a62a935@scorpio> <23711563.post@talk.nabble.com> <20090525154816.3cee4b9a@scorpio> <20090526144939.d21275c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090527133706.1a6e4612@scorpio> <20090528111158.aee9a44d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528180334.935932be.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090528164310.70f30aae@scorpio> <4A20A464.4080804@bah.homeip.net> <4A222825.80709@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:48:47 -0000 >>> No. The company CREATES a "need" for their product. >>> That's the number one rule. >> >> if they succeed - what's wrong? > > You tell me. > > nothing. As long as nobody is forced to buy someones product, every kind of propaganda is allowed. It's just peoples problem if they will believe that they NEED for eg. new cell phone, while their old just works fine for what he/she does (calling, SMS) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 08:49:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C94106568A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300E8FC17 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V8nJsP023349; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V8nI8M023345; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 08:49:33 -0000 all your examples are sounds just like kind of "tradition". Just like for eg. creating lots of partitions no matter if it's needed or not On Sun, 31 May 2009, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export through >> NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated rule? > > No, just tradition or convention. In most cases, there are > other structures than just /home exported via NFS, so there's > /export/home, and maybe e. g. /export/packages and /export/www. > I've not seen it on Solaris in another way. > > There's another interestin "IRIXism": As far as I remember, the > home directory was kept under /usr (like our /usr/home), but > called /usr/people... > > > -- > Polytropon >> From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:07:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA84E106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A648FC14 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V96vEK016227; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:06:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4V96vEK016227 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243760817; bh=JfCT0Zqw2cz36POeFYahBvZTABeJvbvCGA8Zmx1oLHs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2031=20May=202009=2010:06:51=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=20Polytropon=20,=20Glen=20Barber=20,=20=0D=0A=20"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"=2 0|Subject:=20Re:=20Deinstall=20soft ware|References:=20=09 =09<20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de>=09<4ad87131090530155 5k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com>=09<20090531012203.ac9e 5f67.freebsd@edvax.de>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Conte nt-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20pr otocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------ ------enig7B979CF0B5B804E359762702"; b=UGq7DLqgmVd85gx+qKKCBOCInQGXZv0QyxI0YCFsyCSBm739BA4fRQUWW5BUaYOSL j3GWRRzCj0WJuaDHTV+E1i00boIkCeSAKSAkUvX4aohxB911L8AUUrl9woLuZuhjiF 6IFfCBfDWrnYm0YGR96HYkqFI9jjs5GysxXE6qlw= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:06:51 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7B979CF0B5B804E359762702" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:07:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7B979CF0B5B804E359762702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: =20 >> other "Solarisisms" that I've already seen, such as /export >> on FreeBSD which is usually used on Solaris for NFS shares.) >=20 > does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export=20 > through NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated = > rule? It's just a convention. Filesystems to be exported live under /export, and are frequently automounted under /net/{hostname} or /home/{hostname} depending on their intended purpose. You don't have to arrange things like that, just as you don't have to install ports under /usr/local. ie. you'ld have to have a pretty good reason to go against the convention. In fact, given that FreeBSD doesn't seem to have a native convention on how exported filesystems are laid out (no mention in hier(7), no default /etc/exports file), it would make sense to adopt the Solaris/Linux style = where feasible. Mount points etc. aren't going to work exactly the same due to= Solaris/Linux preferentially using autofs and FreeBSD using amd(8) (yes, = I know there has been some progress on autofs under FreeBSD, but it's not 1= 00% yet[*]), but from a user perspective it should all work the same. Cheers, Matthew [*] http://www.fsl.cs.stonybrook.edu/docs/freebsd-autofs/autofs.pdf --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig7B979CF0B5B804E359762702 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoiSLEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzaQACdGlauI/FINEOScV2bG81jweyF NJkAnizlaSXtMpLZIWEfrYMechbLC6nz =LD/D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7B979CF0B5B804E359762702-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:08:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362741065723 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA42C8FC16 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5B33D081; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:08:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4V98lJU009491; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:08:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:08:47 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090531110847.3df9d2db.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:09:02 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:18 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > all your examples are sounds just like kind of "tradition". > Just like for eg. creating lots of partitions no matter if it's needed or > not One exception: The creation of different partitions according to different uses can (but doesn't neccessarily have to) be useful if partition-wise dumps are required or intended. As you know, there are advantages and disadvantages. There can be trouble, causing only one of the partition to get defects; it's easy to dump and restore data partition-wise, even for to clone system installations. On the other hand, you can run into problems according to static space limits which you don't when you have only one / partition and all directories are "resized" automatically (haha)... :-) File system defects will of course affect the whole partition then. (But that's a different situation anyway: If there's trouble with some hard disk, better transfer what you can get onto a new media and wipe the disk; does it happen two times, better use a new hard disk - or similar advice applies.) It depends on the requirements. Sometimes it's good, sometimes bad, and sometimes everything altogether... How many fingers? ;-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:15:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2933A1065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A2C8FC1D for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V9FMQ6023533; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:15:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V9FJiv023530; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:15:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:15:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:15:33 -0000 > In fact, given that FreeBSD doesn't seem to have a native convention on > how exported filesystems are laid out (no mention in hier(7), no default > /etc/exports file), it would make sense to adopt the Solaris/Linux style > where > feasible. it's best not to adopt any style, but do whatever is optimal in certain case. You propose just another example of "blind repeated rule". Your idea won't hurt in single-disk, single-partition case, but this case is prohibited by other "blind repeat" rule of making lots of partitions. What if i want export things from multiple disks? just make one another separete partition on each disk for /export/something just to make system config look "nice" or "professional" because it's good to have NFS exported things to stay in /export Such practices gives only illusion or cleanliness and order, actually giving exactly opposite. Actually one ZFS adventage grown on this - it allows you to make millions of "partitions" without actually creating them, because it's all still stored in one pool. But those who feel configuration with a lots of partitions "cleanness and order" are happy now. I see this as just a pure mess, not an order. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:19:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411EA106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774D28FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V9JBoN023553; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4V9JAJi023550; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090531110847.3df9d2db.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531110847.3df9d2db.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:19:22 -0000 > One exception: The creation of different partitions according > to different uses can (but doesn't neccessarily have to) be > useful if partition-wise dumps are required or intended. As > you know, there are advantages and disadvantages. There can This is only adventage - to use dump. Anyway - do someone use dump (not tar or similar) on terabyte-sized partition. For me it never succeeded, even if it dumps successfully produced output could be unrestorable. After getting this twice i stayed away from this great (but nonworking) tool. Backup tool that are not 100% sure is not a backup tool. with tar, rsync, whatever - partitioning no longer matters as they work on file/directory abstraction level. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:23:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5E31065674 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CFF8FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so7069709bwz.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 02:23:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RzBo5zJzOmIRBqw5Y/PXamdol/rmrEIr4ssgUlJJa+0=; b=j2LWVLTNF9FbvcgGTMPQVX3foUxLYBUPZO5/8SutcGBLGW4n7Ws4WIbpX2qG4udF0o m89bPZ6u2Zd4wJVlmPxtiv45tB+SgUSM4Z0zz7pZHB+uiXF2aJRjC7CLNm82VKiBX+gh zeFELbC0+BPr/0VFr1FEM0Ws8IBvfSE6mPMCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hZXWbd6sH+i5STypXhIftPMN+kG2lpXaWPg84OD7VLBwJ91QdW0K4CTdTu/lb9wwiS oKiuTO/2ydFIq0trG00+VfzePvzyNQ2PzI8LSNREsOz2xNUaXEYENxveJ7K/MT8MLZaL ++AVjuWxvTX8oT39Gmo+E7212YQ7mCTYC1Zv0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr4352402bkh.149.1243761783323; Sun, 31 May 2009 02:23:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> References: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750905310223keef56e7y7db0ebcb8bbae066@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: LoH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE] Audio going silent after wakeup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:23:05 -0000 On 5/31/09, LoH wrote: > After setting up an Audigy2ZS with the emu10kx kernel driver, I found > that after the machine goes into a suspend mode and wakes up, the sound > stops playing. Unloading and reloading the kernel drivers (sound.ko and > snd_emu10kx.ko) doesn't appear to do anything. I tested with an external > line device and mplayer. > > A reboot clears up the symptoms. > > Has anyone else noticed this before? Is there a way to get the problem > to sit up and bark without doing a complete reboot? WHat happens if you unload module before suspending? -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:24:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AB71065680 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9378FC1C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CCE16C0196; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:24:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4V9OeN4009620; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:24:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:24:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090531112440.1c535685.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531110847.3df9d2db.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:24:49 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > For me it never succeeded, even if it dumps successfully produced output > could be unrestorable. > > After getting this twice i stayed away from this great (but nonworking) > tool. Backup tool that are not 100% sure is not a backup tool. > > with tar, rsync, whatever - partitioning no longer matters as they work on > file/directory abstraction level. I've recently discovered cpdup on another UFS formatted HDD for this job. Until now, works good. I just prefer dump + restore for "cloning" systems because it explicitely takes care of file attributes and anything; I do use it usually from hard disk to hard disk, not via storage media (backup set). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:25:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3C2106567B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150178FC1B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4V9PS8S016503; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:25:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n4V9PS8S016503 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243761929; bh=fAYaJnaFZ4vxks6uk0GdT5/Tdlyypv69fWmfZLdab3c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A224D02.20404@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Sun ,=2031=20May=202009=2010:25:22=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=20Polytropon=20,=20Glen=20Barber=20,=20=0D=0A=20"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"=20< freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>|Subject:=20Re:=20Deinstall=20softwa re|References:=20 =20=2 0<20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de>=20<4ad871310905301555k 68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com>=20<20090531012203.ac9e5f 67.freebsd@edvax.de>=20=20<4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk>=20< alpine.BSF.2.00.0905311108170.23493@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>|In-Re ply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signe d=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp- signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig170C4010F7D80B2D 6FF2A81C"; b=VuLInKlYD+ObWnktZjnmRkBamA15snpKagYnmtjPNDe4A70pezTzCPO0BggxqmahJ JQJ5FGQp6hevZ3VQRa6J2cs7+FeLh22XEBCkYFR4TknrQL02aIb4XS/RHfooF1dbBw E92m61J1IspcjMmW5VZfQGns1E4a2XAGcOisklbU= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A224D02.20404@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:25:22 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig170C4010F7D80B2D6FF2A81C" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig170C4010F7D80B2D6FF2A81C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Your idea won't hurt in single-disk, single-partition case, but this=20 > case is prohibited by other "blind repeat" rule of making lots of=20 > partitions. I didn't say anything about how file system layout should be mapped to disk partitions[*]. Nor do I support the concept of making lots and lots = of small partitions. Check the archives: I'm one of the people that regular= ly advocates the 'one big root' style. Cheers, Matthew [*] Although historically there have been bugs with NFS exports making it= possible to access any files on the same partition, which would make a se= parate partition for /exports a damn good idea. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig170C4010F7D80B2D6FF2A81C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkoiTQgACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx8kACgjxWHKH4YJDUURx0jZKIAYe91 A3MAoIJ7MYgFK/SgdUsNUsTD30UsAjh8 =hYIJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig170C4010F7D80B2D6FF2A81C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 09:25:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BF1106567B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF368FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0806216C002E; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:25:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4V9Pnr2009627; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:25:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:25:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090531112549.73daa409.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:25:52 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:15:19 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > it's best not to adopt any style, but do whatever is optimal in certain > case. > > You propose just another example of "blind repeated rule". It is often found as "corporate standard". This doesn't mean you have to use it on your own systems, but it helps to understand why things are there and configured in a specific way. With ZFS, of course, there's much room for improvement. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 10:44:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFAE1065674 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186ED8FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VAiO2W024146; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:44:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VAiMWJ024143; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:44:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:44:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090531112440.1c535685.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531104713.4412726b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531110847.3df9d2db.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531112440.1c535685.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:44:41 -0000 > I just prefer dump + restore for "cloning" systems because it > explicitely takes care of file attributes and anything; I do use You are right, but rsync can do the same :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 10:45:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BE0106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 914428FC1F for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:45:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2009 10:45:15 -0000 Received: from ipa175.88.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [79.107.88.175] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu002) with SMTP; 31 May 2009 12:45:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uhf92Fivujfma9wo8c8d44rtW9lBMePLLOWxjmQ LlQTbzJ+U+BUbR Message-ID: <4A225F79.9050009@gmx.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:44:09 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-9?Q?Yavuz_Ma=FElak?= References: <32914FF12A6A47E48839C2343FDA1AAC@desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <32914FF12A6A47E48839C2343FDA1AAC@desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about using ppp over ethernet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:45:18 -0000 Yavuz Maşlak wrote: > I have a adsl modem. I am going to use freebsd as a router and firewall. ... > What am I doing wrong? It is probably the firewall, it seems that you use firewall_type="closed". Could give us some more info about it? Which firewall do you use? what are your custom rules? You can read more about the firewalls available in FreeBSD from relevant section of the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/firewalls.html Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 10:48:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA348106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77668FC14 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VAmLHP024173; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:48:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VAmJ4Q024170; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:48:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:48:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A224D02.20404@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4A224D02.20404@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:48:32 -0000 > >> Your idea won't hurt in single-disk, single-partition case, but this case >> is prohibited by other "blind repeat" rule of making lots of partitions. > > I didn't say anything about how file system layout should be mapped to > disk partitions[*]. Nor do I support the concept of making lots and lots of > small partitions. Check the archives: I'm one of the people that regularly > advocates the 'one big root' style. I did't tell you said this, just compared the idea of "the only right directory layout" with this. > [*] Although historically there have been bugs with NFS exports making it > possible to access any files on the same partition, which would make a > separate > partition for /exports a damn good idea. And this is probably the reason for /exports tradition in Solaris. At first - this is solution for some problem, then - it's dumbly repeated even if problem doesn't exist any more. The same with partitioning. In very very old unices with pre-FFS filesystem it actually improved performance, speed up checking, improved recovery so they did it. Now it no longer gives any adventage in most cases, just gives problem of making one partition too small and other too big. Yet - it's dumbly followed as a rule, and explained by repeating the reasons that are no longer true for years. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 10:49:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12211065686 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378148FC1B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VAnk1H024192; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VAnj51024189; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090531112549.73daa409.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090530213535.f117d3a3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310905301555k68cb3acekb488852142bd02aa@mail.gmail.com> <20090531012203.ac9e5f67.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A2248AB.3060907@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20090531112549.73daa409.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Deinstall software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:57 -0000 >> case. >> >> You propose just another example of "blind repeated rule". > > It is often found as "corporate standard". This doesn't mean you Well i don't expect many smart people working in big corporations. There are exceptions of course - those that got there by accident and not yet left ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 13:23:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528A1065686 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B303F8FC13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43ECE1C0847 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:23:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:23:34 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:23:37 -0000 Hi: I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled with BDB 4.3. Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a newer version of BDB. Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 13:41:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C38B106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from throughout45103763@rambler.ru) Received: from mxa.rambler.ru (mxa.rambler.ru [81.19.66.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A0F8FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from throughout45103763@rambler.ru) Received: from mcgi19.rambler.ru (mcgi19.rambler.ru [81.19.67.194]) by mxa.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56E39C9EF for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:24:10 +0400 (MSD) Received: from mcgi19.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi19.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2213E1141D for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:24:09 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [85.21.188.84] by mcgi19.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:24:06 +0400 From: =?windows-1251?B?5Ojs7u0g7Ojq6A==?= To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:24:06 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Message-Id: <716158998.1243776246.169082136.40311@mcgi19.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (mail-pda), http://mail.rambler.ru Subject: hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:41:36 -0000 http://pills55c.krovatka.su From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 14:44:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34653106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: from server14.citromail.hu (server14.citromail.hu [91.83.45.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C2A8FC0C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:44:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: (qmail 18840 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2009 14:18:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20090531141809.18839.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> To: Received: from 54034CF1.catv.pool.telekom.hu [84.3.76.241] by with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:18:09 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?=" Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:18:09 +0200 Errors-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: VIPmail v.2.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sshd + pam_pgsql X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:44:52 -0000 Hi! I would like use the sshd with pam_pgsql module. But it isn't work, and I c= an't configure the pam debug too. So my two question: How can I use the pam debug? How do I use the sshd with pam-pgsql? OS: FreeBSD 7.2 My /etc/pamd./sshd: auth=09=09required=09pam_unix.so=09=09no_warn try_first_pass auth=09=09sufficient=09pam_pgsql.so config_file=3D/etc/ssh/ssh-pam_pgsql.co= nf account=09=09required=09pam_unix.so account =09requisite=09pam_pgsql.so config_file=3D/etc/ssh/ssh-pam_pgsql.co= nf password=09required=09pam_unix.so=09=09no_warn try_first_pass password=09sufficient=09pam_pgsql.so config_file=3D/etc/ssh/ssh-pam_pgsql.c= onf session =09sufficient=09pam_pgsql.so config_file=3D/etc/ssh/ssh-pam_pgsql.c= onf My /etc/ssh/ssh-pam_pgsql.conf: debug pw_type =3D md5 connect =3D dbname=3Dsshuser user=3Dattila password=3Dxxxxx auth_query =3D select password from felhasznalok where user_name =3D %u acct_query =3D select password from felhasznalok where user_name =3D %u pwd_query =3D update account set password =3D %p where user_name =3D %u psql -U attila -c "SELECT * FROM felhasznalok" sshuser":<code> user_name | password | uid | gid | login_class | password_change_time | a= ccount_expiry_time | user_full_name | home_directory | user_shell=20 -----------+----------+------+------+-------------+----------------------+-= --------------------+----------------+-----------------+------------ sftpuser2 | sara | 2001 | 2001 | hungarian | | = | sftp user | /home/.sftpuser | /bin/sh</code&g= t; My /etc/ssh/sshd_conf: [..] UsePAM yes PasswordAuthentication yes PermitEmptyPasswords yes PermitRootLogin without-password [..] ssh -v -l sshuser2 luk1814.no-ip.org: OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.76.241] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: permanently_set_uid: 0/0 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.1p1 = FreeBSD-20080901 debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'luk1814.no-ip.org' is known and matches the DSA host key. debug1: Found key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:6 debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/identity debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive debug1: Next authentication method: password debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive Permission denied, please try again. debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-inte= ractive Permission denied, please try again. Received disconnect from 84.3.76.241: 2: Too many authentication failures f= or sftpuser3 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 15:08:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FE3106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from jab.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EF08FC17 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from localhost (jsrv.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D809BA9; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:08:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from jab.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jab.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id b60YdXlbSHkj; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:08:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from snifi.localnet (djw32.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.24.0.32]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9CF0127; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:08:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Maciej Milewski To: "=?iso-8859-2?q?Saj=F3_Zsolt?= Attila" Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:08:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (Linux/2.6.29-ARCH; KDE/4.2.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090531141809.18839.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> In-Reply-To: <20090531141809.18839.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200905311708.05447.milu@dat.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sshd + pam_pgsql X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:08:16 -0000 Dnia niedziela 31 maj 2009 o 16:18:09 Saj=F3 Zsolt Attila napisa=B3(a): > How do I use the sshd with pam-pgsql? I don't know how tu use but I see something strange with your setup. In ssh-pam_pgsql.conf you have pw_type =3D md5 and in your database you hav= e a=20 cleartext password. I think it is your problem. I think that you can add column in your database and convert cleartext=20 password to md5. Or, if possible, configure pam to use cleartext password. = I=20 don't know if the latter is possible in pam. Cheers, Maciek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 15:48:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1F61065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhengtianyu@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E811E8FC19 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhengtianyu@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so2808149rvb.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=hB3cCllAubax1ukQohH5KaNytxQKytp3a0D5grmPUXk=; b=aEVFugw2nqRdRzZy3hYLxKYOos9U6ZOc5pFAiKvkqX01KoMG0ewvlRP+BxlKAIUnCm faTcJutYoXNOZqbB6LEQlG7plnjyBVWnE4mqH+fLgHy3WQZsDoaFHQm8a15jK/HzflNA g/VVyXrq6aXVZ+nEFCITUbiU0WIbgm6oOPWTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=KOVYnH5+BiSmoGj3+MiwwsHDdE0Rr05SE3cU/it6hmtQeADy+RtEreG983z/WUqKd2 LghuqCenyUpvB8EHdphKKgJVM9OK+8Z06lxrMny8bgUvWQvD0ZovYoGa4jRb6oQMwLr+ RG8G/9Oxpb255QJouRZvq76m0XzSsDV8ysMvY= Received: by 10.140.144.1 with SMTP id r1mr4862017rvd.131.1243783015712; Sun, 31 May 2009 08:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([220.168.116.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm10160765rvf.3.2009.05.31.08.16.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 31 May 2009 08:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:25:01 +0800 From: =?utf-8?B?6YOR5aSp5a6H?= To: Zbigniew Szalbot Message-ID: <20090531152500.GA1119@zheng.org> Mail-Followup-To: Zbigniew Szalbot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find and searching for specific expression in files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:48:10 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:25:12AM +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Can you please give me a hint how to use find to search for a specific > text within files? If you just want the filenames which contain the string you are searching for, use the "-l" argument to tell grep to print out the filenames. For example: grep -rl "string" . will print out all the filenames containning "string". >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Zbigniew Szalbot >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" =E9=83=91=E5=A4=A9=E5= =AE=87 2009=E5=B9=B405=E6= =9C=8831=E6=97=A5 --=20 zheng.org --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoioUwACgkQG6/s6B3RblM7+gCeJMCkH2ZcvYvx7u7rUWWlFQ9r k1IAniWxoQmnXU8Q/mmQLcsxuiTftdLq =M8XS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 16:02:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FDA10656BD for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3C78FC1E for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 25293 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 16:02:19 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 May 2009 16:02:18 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696915083A; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 168121CC82; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT) To: davidcollins001@gmail.com References: <1b30fd140905291235q7f45e6c3x7dcba8a8e88cf3ca@mail.gmail.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:02:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140905291235q7f45e6c3x7dcba8a8e88cf3ca@mail.gmail.com> (David Collins's message of "Fri\, 29 May 2009 20\:35\:45 +0100") Message-ID: <44ws7x5kho.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:02:20 -0000 David Collins writes: > I have several jails for the purpose of not trashing my root partition > with junk programs that I may not need and also to learn how to run > various system services, ie dns, http, mysql, samba etc. I have been > running them for a while and have only just updated the jail root > after rebuilding world. > > I have been using portupgrade to rebuild the host ports I have > installed. What I would like it know is if it is possible to use > portupgrade on the host system to update the jail ports. So like when > rebuilding world a destdir is specified and is populated with the new > world, is it possible to do the same with portupgrade? The reason is > because I don't want to have to install portupgrade and ruby several > times, also I can script the upgrade easily too. > > I have been reading through the ports and portupgrade man pages and > setting environment variables to the appropriate directories in the > jail to try to get this to work but so far no luck. Portupgrade wants > to upgrade the host ports > > Here is what I have tried so far: > > viper:~$ export DISTDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ > viper:~$ export WRKDIRPREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ > viper:~$ export PREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/usr/local/ > viper:~$ export BATCH=yes > viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/p > viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports > viper:~$ export PKG_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/pkg/ > viper:~$ export PORTS_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports > viper:~$ > viper:~$ sudo portupgrade -narR It sounds like PREFIX is the one you're not picking up. Perhaps it's being overridden by one of your makefiles, or by portupgrade's configuration files? -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:01:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF586106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60CC8FC0C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W11 ([64.4.19.111]) by bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_f1a39695-e5be-4987-aab7-3db82ee89433_" X-Originating-IP: [189.61.14.81] From: Rodrigo Vilanova To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:49:28 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2009 17:49:28.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[250CAD10:01C9E218] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: kernel compile problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:01:29 -0000 --_f1a39695-e5be-4987-aab7-3db82ee89433_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there=2C =20 I want to use FreeBSD 7.2 as a simple firewall and VPN at home. I=92ve a dedicated computer to this. =20 I=92m trying to compile my FreeBSD 7.2 Kernel on my computer and I having the following problem: [...]=20 /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c: In function 'svr4_= sys_systeminfo':/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461= : error: 'hostid' undeclared (first use in this function)/usr/src/sys/modul= es/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: (Each undeclared identifi= er is reported only once/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_st= at.c:461: error: for each function it appears in.)*** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4.*** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.*** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW.*** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src.*** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. =20 =20 How can I solve this problem=2C please? =20 =20 I attached these files: =20 compile.tar =20 FW -> kernel config file =20 dmesg.boot =20 compiler.end - it is the exit from "make buidkernel 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tSsQHea7t0vlLhhQVNKl7iYM6C8HOfKAJLsLHfCXg/vHxDsrqSfuJNKFMiVNDThiwq2H +P58bX09quiHL4i6Ozd+JYhUyRcWtPFCyO8TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fNYpA4QiaCay3mDna5Tx/AMUqH7fVMRSnPuG92AO6mL8ZTaElzqTCZpz6n3aH8oCdE p5wkI7njg6hNBiYjWbHMFf9Q+TTFu+dPG9MIQlBvsAyjBklY3mqzykQN83jtUdqfhFXn ymJQ1aEgGBkC63XsOa/2xBUHEvXJQYMX5Ut+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.82.79 with SMTP id a15mr1501572qcl.57.1243793848650; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:17:28 -0700 Message-ID: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Jones To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:17:29 -0000 How do I wait for a specific process to die? I want to do something like: waitpid 1234&&(echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) I'm sure this is trivial, but I can't find a way to do it. I wrote a Perl script that checks every second if /proc/pid exists, but that only works if /proc is mounted + I'm now on VMs which can't easily mount /proc -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:29:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC5C1065674 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8668C8FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so7237757bwz.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CzOqlE639S1zhsLWR28sB78xHy7e+Syeq7Y0fGSfnac=; b=K33152eQepo6rQnq05oOXIM8wimlu5I8m1HLZN4wcVcLJawECKXyBRIWo3KfPsqTCc lZz96AGKAZ58EYYhKE/+9kllXIxfxV31BVa+Q9zzriZeU0FHkKOaymEZlZ44NMe+IwTr MgO1MxQVpfU0BmD7S7yzVPU0e/9eTjYnHRwnE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KxWNf2tXWOr2ZHzMYrh1fLS4KXsHts7ZSA1u4w4/3m9XMswSqmrZW9pBMbivJkGk8b YOvXwS7a5KO/r1u3AuwdzMSYLkVXJt/f1kc/jnHslKXA13jouobMoovzDsN/5UQ3TUnk w+XNaBtux6UPzQaNnNIFJv3EUYyIXSt9gcQvc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.142 with SMTP id r14mr4796750bkq.197.1243794541126; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:29:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: Kelly Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:03 -0000 2009/5/31 Kelly Jones : > How do I wait for a specific process to die? I want to do something like: > > waitpid 1234&&(echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) > > I'm sure this is trivial, but I can't find a way to do it. > > I wrote a Perl script that checks every second if /proc/pid exists, > but that only works if /proc is mounted + I'm now on VMs which can't > easily mount /proc > > -- > We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying > to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to > new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. [ `ps ax |grep pid | wc -l ` = 1 ] && (echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:40:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8331B1065670 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397F38FC08 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so10363102qyk.3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=d4ColKSk2HVFm0tXyLjxepRmcVdXMeu+WEg9tRVWKzE=; b=f7oTjwNeYXLlFjT+2nRNx+9g7IfgxoCmB09Ab6n0pr0D34lNpbsYNYG7+MXYaAZB7h SUs8PjjEaNWnlTDyqd6qWebnbY/ZCMv+LqocNdIvftImA/damp8D0Nl7hymIS6w/eZZ3 9HQpRcsvfOQSGWtiDnTy6Y7aVdoyJPH7WF5d0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=V2tXcG+esAjYMHkE3jQQlhB7pcFigTZQMEfyPZHIY14eTOCzU2J4/Co6lxemHwNSge Hh+hSiWzmb5FYvbr7aI/DoYnYO7pl+Jyvdp0KsS8JzylDbo7yfcpki2w1afPMSPNRhxk 0JhVNSQ78vincUeeiB94TunKO3PWgrNCN17fI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.90.199 with SMTP id j7mr3348876vcm.57.1243795202118; Sun, 31 May 2009 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44ws7x5kho.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <1b30fd140905291235q7f45e6c3x7dcba8a8e88cf3ca@mail.gmail.com> <44ws7x5kho.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> From: Tim Judd Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:39:42 -0600 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: davidcollins001@gmail.com Subject: Re: portupgrade jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:40:03 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Lowell Gilbert < freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org> wrote: > David Collins writes: > > > I have several jails for the purpose of not trashing my root partition > > with junk programs that I may not need and also to learn how to run > > various system services, ie dns, http, mysql, samba etc. I have been > > running them for a while and have only just updated the jail root > > after rebuilding world. > > > > I have been using portupgrade to rebuild the host ports I have > > installed. What I would like it know is if it is possible to use > > portupgrade on the host system to update the jail ports. So like when > > rebuilding world a destdir is specified and is populated with the new > > world, is it possible to do the same with portupgrade? The reason is > > because I don't want to have to install portupgrade and ruby several > > times, also I can script the upgrade easily too. > > > > I have been reading through the ports and portupgrade man pages and > > setting environment variables to the appropriate directories in the > > jail to try to get this to work but so far no luck. Portupgrade wants > > to upgrade the host ports > > > > Here is what I have tried so far: > > > > viper:~$ export DISTDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ > > viper:~$ export WRKDIRPREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/var/tmp/ > > viper:~$ export PREFIX=/usr/jails/xserver/usr/local/ > > viper:~$ export BATCH=yes > > viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/p > > viper:~$ export PORT_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports > > viper:~$ export PKG_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/pkg/ > > viper:~$ export PORTS_DBDIR=/usr/jails/xserver/var/db/ports > > viper:~$ > > viper:~$ sudo portupgrade -narR > > It sounds like PREFIX is the one you're not picking up. > > Perhaps it's being overridden by one of your makefiles, or by > portupgrade's configuration files? > Or portupgrade is using the same souce as pkg_* tools, /var/db/pkg Or portupgrade is using pkg_* tools. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 18:47:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853C6106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (out4.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3A08FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726C33488AC for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web8.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.217]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 31 May 2009 14:32:40 -0400 Received: by web8.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4A3A4EBBEF; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: aucZPCEa79uLEmWfy4X6778IWFeH4WZmOm8zpgo7ljIE 1243794760 From: "Azim" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:32:40 +0300 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:47:56 -0000 Does FreeBSD or any BSD/OS have "mount -o encryption" support ? I want to pipe aespipe and mount an encrypted iso. I have already checked on FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 that loop option isn't available, so I am sticking to mdconfig and vnconfig on old versions. If not then, Is it possible to pipe aespipe with mdconfig How do you on-the-fly-mount an Encrypted ISO under FreeBSD ? Regards, QD -- Azim quakerdoomer@fmguy.com //////////////////////////////////////////// “You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent." “The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look.” “The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.” __________________ `---- """""""""""""""""""""""""""|] /_ ==o _____ ___________|" ),---.(_(___) / // (\) ),----" //....// '----- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:33:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EEC1065678 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498E88FC23 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so713904fxm.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xefIa/kmnlYph8E1VcfXj4Iq5r8kzMJtLt/2lNQ2Z/E=; b=WA9BAgav1Gvyns++nuTUKB4Mqg9v0er+lX+9kGJQfOrgMzuQTogOpkgmIPLxVbcwXL 5Zst7ONjgdF7B3lVSBKoEzZ1Ozy281/Vsk2M9AlJmB9AMT/2ZQ9SKcUl3rpwxJXuYBJH udEwaHAYOxQ3TAPM3EMFuBiqnXBbZ9+x+nCss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Q8fZBfcnQ1tAXuJiVmcb/cbujH6M8+WdXpuQPJJ5W+v4MVT0IesTjczfUHpk16UUqw NN/dSTuUwJbNJgGJkLMRmcwlPD210u4+D/sUJRakHAws+pPhGyw3aFMA+J72AHDECQ7h lekP8vTeSimODnqG+dRq7WRbfy6IGYQYRk6x4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.18 with SMTP id a18mr4965076bkh.19.1243798386104; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:32:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rodrigo Vilanova Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel compile problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:33:08 -0000 2009/5/31 Rodrigo Vilanova : > > Hi there, > > > =A0I want to use FreeBSD 7.2 as a simple firewall and VPN at home. I=92ve= a > dedicated computer to this. > > > =A0I=92m trying to compile my FreeBSD 7.2 Kernel on my computer and I hav= ing > the following problem: > > > [...] > > /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c: In function 'svr= 4_sys_systeminfo':/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:4= 61: error: 'hostid' undeclared (first use in this function)/usr/src/sys/mod= ules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: (Each undeclared identi= fier is reported only once/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_= stat.c:461: error: for each function it appears in.)*** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4.*** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.*** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW.*** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src.*** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src. > > > > > > =A0How can I solve this problem, please? > > > > > =A0I attached these files: > > > > compile.tar > > > =A0FW -> kernel config file > > > =A0dmesg.boot > > > =A0compiler.end - it is the exit from "make buidkernel KERNCONF=3DFW" > > > > best regards, > > Cabelyn > Before anyone reads your config file, are you sure the sources are complete? Can you build GENERIC? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:36:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F5E106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F788FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VJZvhN025794; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:35:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VJZuK8025791; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:35:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:35:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> Message-ID: References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:36:06 -0000 > my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a newer version > of BDB. > > Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? possibly it's compatible but if you are not sure use db_dump and _load to dump and restore data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:40:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7A106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C808FC1E for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VJeDXr025821; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:40:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VJeDKa025818; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:40:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:40:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kelly Jones In-Reply-To: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:40:23 -0000 > How do I wait for a specific process to die? I want to do something like: > > waitpid 1234&&(echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) if i understand you correctly: your_program parameters & bg_process_number=$! ...something else... wait $bg_process_number echo "done!" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:43:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A83106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:43:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6A18FC15 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so717357fxm.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:43:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1mMOZpe1Uy7urdSwL85E1DH8z52Hb6AGOWKcPndNaIU=; b=K/n7m7ueFtRIhx4hMXa1OO/PfN8nQ8jEziZHcYYRzyUy9x9fe4PQVnyYj5dbIuB6E4 ZvYzml3Z5E5B+9+2uUde1lQ/mF8WaH5+CuB5m2YwxHbPKodZNsQAnLDqNj0fQd+fjZXR jlBqftDDxJVezlaDgEST/LiXcfmEGxpA6YvFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vVXb9flpa/6QRJzuKHhobrbtZX2G+Ab9m5ReY2mAGkAefh5kmvh2uYLMwWE5HX6dv5 OQanCddmQpvD+6v8Py3Utl1lS553IDDrWS/u1FDg3Vm7Us4n2JOMUbpETgzJADGt9tyN qllpAd4pnQGzAJLy8MewA9XdOh2gw52HTOKS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.5 with SMTP id f5mr4855114bkg.203.1243798997207; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:43:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:42:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:43:19 -0000 2009/5/31 Wojciech Puchar : > >> How do I wait for a specific process to die? I want to do something like: >> >> waitpid 1234&&(echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC DONE" >> kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) > > if i understand you correctly: > > your_program parameters & > bg_process_number=$! > > ...something else... > > wait $bg_process_number > echo "done!" > > Er, yeah, actually a much better idea than mine. Ignore my previous suggestion :) Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:44:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AEB106567A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429448FC17 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 15:44:25 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PXY55452; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 15:44:25 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18978.56856.705030.492797@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:44:24 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: changing tab stops X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:44:26 -0000 I have a C program that writes to a terminal (currently xterm, but could be anything). For reasons I won't go into, I would like to read and change the terminal's tab stops ... from within the program ... in a generic/portable way. Is this possible? If so, what are the keywords associated with my first clue? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 19:46:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AB91065673 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E276A8FC1A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 19:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scs@eecs.berkeley.edu) Received: from scs.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (steven@scs.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by gateway0.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.14.3/8.13.5) with ESMTP id n4VJkujo005533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 31 May 2009 12:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A22DDAD.8070504@eecs.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 12:42:37 -0700 From: Steven Schlansker User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utisoft@gmail.com References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 19:46:59 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > [ `ps ax |grep pid | wc -l ` = 1 ] && (echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC > DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) > Not always going to work. For example, [steven@scs:~]% ps ax | grep init 1 ? Ss 0:39 init [2] 13421 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep init Also if you use its pid, 1, you get a whole bunch of uninteresting processes as you're grepping for "1" ;) [steven@scs:~]% ps ax | grep 1 | wc -l 94 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 20:07:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843C91065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366898FC20 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so3720828yxb.13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:07:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/OTQidmCCJXPuFhsqhffszzPIB3RC4/kd0ial8DJU9s=; b=PXoHlwkxxxJwOtzI5r7Oqfc86+GqhoGHSOUm5NPXCe3ukQXib8zycFjgiwSLzlSMMl 851n7Jl6zPNbcFIHBhLxvWo0Z/W3D/n/KtX+2HwLNEJEO5twidO55dMkriUV8YfNimqQ C5V2ytxHKBwjvBuhaDiDAQ2hUbCLkP2VcVOBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vUIGEC55h5+8csc+cmj63CuWH2vsMzKyW5r3b3bpPvZ4CJCyjwoVcgMuhceSmA9kp2 S7ACFqvjC3LLmXgOIIGKFTuAR18RvVc5sxFDIhu0c6cGwtbg06V7+o+5xZVYamMIS88/ wjHvgtUtwSt6wGyHVqvTloK+rPC950QJa5J4I= Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr4480616agw.48.1243800424461; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.144? (173-23-69-3.client.mchsi.com [173.23.69.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm6096577agb.53.2009.05.31.13.07.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 31 May 2009 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A22E35D.4080606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:06:53 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul B. Mahol" References: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> <3a142e750905310223keef56e7y7db0ebcb8bbae066@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3a142e750905310223keef56e7y7db0ebcb8bbae066@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE] Audio going silent after wakeup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:07:06 -0000 Unloading the module, letting it suspend on its own, then waking it up and reloading the module does not cause the symptoms to appear. Wish I knew offhand what was being called to let it suspend, and which state it was. Paul B. Mahol wrote: > On 5/31/09, LoH wrote: > >> After setting up an Audigy2ZS with the emu10kx kernel driver, I found >> that after the machine goes into a suspend mode and wakes up, the sound >> stops playing. Unloading and reloading the kernel drivers (sound.ko and >> snd_emu10kx.ko) doesn't appear to do anything. I tested with an external >> line device and mplayer. >> >> A reboot clears up the symptoms. >> >> Has anyone else noticed this before? Is there a way to get the problem >> to sit up and bark without doing a complete reboot? >> > > WHat happens if you unload module before suspending? > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 20:10:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67504106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C108FC0C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAOALqAIkrUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACBSYkRhEG9BwiEBAU Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 21:10:29 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1MArMS-0000ig-TA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:10:29 +0100 Message-ID: <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:10:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: 211be657c3ba0fcf41312e505335afd3 Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:31 -0000 Sorry to keep banging on about this but does anyone actually have uk pound signs working in 7.2? What font and keymap are you using? And, what actually is the process for reporting bugs or getting help with problem like this. Any advice appreciated even from Mr Puchar :)) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 20:13:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9D51065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:13:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB4C8FC14 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:13:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VKD6PW026078; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:13:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VKD6Fi026075; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:13:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:13:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graham Bentley In-Reply-To: <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> Message-ID: References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:13:20 -0000 > bugs or getting help with problem like this. Any advice appreciated > even from Mr Puchar :)) who don't use UK keyboard and pound sign. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 20:55:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C7106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9118FC14 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so3815943qwe.7 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=NMfawYX6Dt2eBBVZBeFc+sCm3i1nVptTASqnC2aLRBk=; b=hgB/I2khPf14Pw2r358zpdp89IeLwR3UwGXoRQJEqCOR19HiyOQbIVBR/+texmiOCF u1xVj8aaxssQTkX7sliPZcT/STP7KyjVNDGYsXhSmWSndY/oPtAPCVZTPlTCaFcKwYJy YYK/fB+cxsFImJtnJKCkvSRsbaZ+c08OL4lD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=OYLGczVE92mz8Y+dXOj7PjfUhPw8uDg+9qk84TFCC0LuXWvNKFa2teRbhfgDnVJMLB bpJpavycQYqvrxggejhENp9w6GQXMnze7xVZCuii+d0+lfVjR5FSyY1AxQ9xD3NiH1Ug R0QmNrbXxRJHxBnpHvhcnxe10Vb/VzRjCz5fg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.46.85 with SMTP id i21mr3490753vcf.19.1243803318300; Sun, 31 May 2009 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Judd Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:54:58 -0600 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: dual gateways X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:55:19 -0000 I know it is not typical, but here's my setup. I have a private IP scope (/24 block) split up. 2 /25's I have a box that has dual NICs. One is on the low /25 and one is on the high /25. The high /25 is only used for jails and his gateway is a soekris/alix board that will function. I can't find out how to get the high /25 to assign an additional gateway that's directed toward the soekris/alix SBC. Any tips or advice on how I can setup the high netblock to get it to route successfully to the SBC? and Woj cannot reply to my message, I'm tired of your BS on this list. Don't do it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 21:04:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9424106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8BF8FC1C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAsCJ-0003VH-6n; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:04:03 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n4VL42ko002973; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:04:02 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B0CDFCA505; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:03:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:03:57 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Steven Schlansker Message-ID: <20090531210357.GA60342@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Steven Schlansker , utisoft@gmail.com, Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> <4A22DDAD.8070504@eecs.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A22DDAD.8070504@eecs.berkeley.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Sun, 31 May 2009 22:04:02 +0100 (BST) Cc: Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:04:14 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:42:37PM -0700, Steven Schlansker wrote: > > Chris Rees wrote: > >[ `ps ax |grep pid | wc -l ` = 1 ] && (echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC > >DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) > > > > Not always going to work. For example, > > [steven@scs:~]% ps ax | grep init > 1 ? Ss 0:39 init [2] > 13421 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep init This is why you should use pgrep(1) to find a PID (and kill it) rather than directly grepping a ps output like the previous poster did. > > Also if you use its pid, 1, you get a whole bunch of uninteresting > processes as you're grepping for "1" ;) > > [steven@scs:~]% ps ax | grep 1 | wc -l > 94 > Wojcech nailed the approach the OP should be using. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 21:13:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA2C106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EA58FC08 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EBF11C0847; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:13:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A22F2E8.10604@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:13:12 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:14 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a newer version >> of BDB. >> >> Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? > > possibly it's compatible but if you are not sure use db_dump and > _load to dump and restore data. Thanks, I've had a look at the dump and load utilities, they have no man page :( dump works fine, or so I assume. But load fails, it appears that db_load won't create a new db file if it does not exist, and creating an empty file with touch fails too: alpha$ db_dump-4.3 -f cn.bdb.dump cn.bdb alpha$ db_load-4.6 -f cn.bdb.dump cn46.bdb db_load-4.6: Program version 4.6 doesn't match environment version 0.154 db_load-4.6: DB_ENV->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version mismatch The "environment version" varies. Any hints on how to use these utilities to migrate? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 21:15:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2B0106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:15:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2D3B8FC1E for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2009 21:15:54 -0000 Received: from ipa175.88.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [79.107.88.175] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu003) with SMTP; 31 May 2009 23:15:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1GhBdcbD1phHAW7TvOFzD4jbLJJ7KT7s3zvRLja Xqy996AINcICq5 Message-ID: <4A22F34B.1030908@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:14:51 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Schlansker , utisoft@gmail.com, Kelly Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <26face530905311117te38a4faya92733fbfebd9597@mail.gmail.com> <4A22DDAD.8070504@eecs.berkeley.edu> <20090531210357.GA60342@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090531210357.GA60342@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Cc: Subject: Re: Waiting for a process to die X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:15:56 -0000 Frank Shute wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:42:37PM -0700, Steven Schlansker wrote: >> Chris Rees wrote: >>> [ `ps ax |grep pid | wc -l ` = 1 ] && (echo "done!" | Mail -s "PROC >>> DONE" kelly.terry.jones@gmail.com) >>> >> Not always going to work. For example, >> >> [steven@scs:~]% ps ax | grep init >> 1 ? Ss 0:39 init [2] >> 13421 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep init > > This is why you should use pgrep(1) to find a PID (and kill it) rather > than directly grepping a ps output like the previous poster did. Yes, pgrep is the tool. If you already know the pid, you can use good old ps: ps 1 && echo init runs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 21:59:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FD41065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2E48FC19 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4VLxcBn026615; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:59:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4VLxccL026612; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:59:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:59:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <4A22F2E8.10604@locolomo.org> Message-ID: References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> <4A22F2E8.10604@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:59:51 -0000 >>> Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? >> >> possibly it's compatible but if you are not sure use db_dump and >> _load to dump and restore data. > > Thanks, I've had a look at the dump and load utilities, they have no man page it's not FreeBSD but GNU. No man is equivalent of "read documentation in info or out webpage" ;) > :( dump works fine, or so I assume. But load fails, it appears that db_load > won't create a new db file if it does not exist, and creating an empty file > with touch fails too: > > alpha$ db_dump-4.3 -f cn.bdb.dump cn.bdb > alpha$ db_load-4.6 -f cn.bdb.dump cn46.bdb > db_load-4.6: Program version 4.6 doesn't match environment version 0.154 > db_load-4.6: DB_ENV->open: DB_VERSION_MISMATCH: Database environment version > mismatch ups. really i use only db4.1 and it worked don't you have mixed libs and executables. looks like this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:29:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F676106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113658FC19 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so3831163qwe.7 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:29:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.70.141 with SMTP id d13mr1494765qcj.70.1243808944858; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:29:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090510180012.GA87871@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <173f52ec0905100208sda471d2q31534ca168650d63@mail.gmail.com> <20090510180012.GA87871@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> From: Chun-fan Ivan Liao Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:28:43 +0800 Message-ID: <173f52ec0905311528y73655d51me6ff56ea4c34f0d5@mail.gmail.com> To: Frank Shute , Chun-fan Ivan Liao , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, apcupsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: 4 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:29:06 -0000 On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Frank Shute wrote: > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 05:08:03PM +0800, Chun-fan Ivan Liao wrote: > > > > OS version: FreeBSD 7.2 RELEASE > > apcupsd version: 3.14.5 > > UPS model: APC-MGE Back-UPS RS 1000VA (BR1000TW) > > UPS cable type: usb > > > > 3 important lines in /usr/local/etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf: > > --------- > > UPSCABLE usb > > UPSTYPE usb > > DEVICE > > --------- > > Other lines are default. > > I've got an APC SmartUPS 750 (USB on 6.4-RELEASE). > > When I hacked my apcupsd.conf (sometime ago now), I put in: > > DEVICE ugen0 > > I don't know if that's your problem i.e: you haven't specified the > DEVICE. > The reason that I did not specify the DEVICE is because the instruction in apcupsd.conf said so. And specifying DEVICE ugen0 yielded the same result. > > > > > > Problem Description: > > 1. > > The APC box cannot be detected when connected to the FreeBSD system on > > system boot. (apcupsd_enable=3D"YES" is set in /etc/rc.conf ) > > > > The associated messages in /var/log/messages: > > --------- > > May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in > > bsd-usb.c at line 735 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed > > USB trouble shooting information, please see > > . > > May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd error shutdown com= pleted > > --------- > > > > 2. > > Continuing 1, if I unplug the connecting USB then re-plug it to the > > same port, the USB cannot be identified. > > > > The associated message in /var/log/messages: > > --------- > > May 10 16:36:17 aura-cosmetics kernel: uhub0: device problem > > (TIMEOUT), disabling port 3 > > --------- > > > > 3. > > Contiuning 2, changing the port to plug the USB will do, and > > /var/log/messages reads: > > --------- > > May 10 16:41:07 aura-cosmetics root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x051d > > product 0x0002 bus uhub1 > > May 10 16:41:08 aura-cosmetics kernel: ugen0: > Conversion Back-UPS RS 1000 FW:7.g9a.D USB FW:g9a, class 0/0, rev > > 1.10/1.06, addr 2> on uhub1 > > --------- > > > > But when starting the apcupsd now using [apcupsd start], there is no > > "freebsd startup succeeded" message appearing in /var/log/messages. > > > > However using [ps ax| grep apcupsd], there is the following associated > > procedure in the standard output: > > --------- > > 1264=C2=A0 ??=C2=A0 Ss=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0:00.01 apcupsd start > > --------- > > > > 4. > > The last problem continuing 3, if stopping the apcupsd now using > > [apcupsd stop], the following error messages occur in > > /var/log/messages: > > --------- > > May 10 16:48:11 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[1270]: Valid lock file for > > pid=3D1264, but not ours pid=3D1270 > > May 10 16:48:11 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[1271]: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in > > bsd-usb.c at line 735 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed > > USB trouble shooting information, please see > > . > > May 10 16:48:11 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[1271]: Valid lock file for > > pid=3D1264, but not ours pid=3D1271 > > May 10 16:48:11 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[1271]: apcupsd error shutdown co= mpleted > > --------- > > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > -- > > =C2=A0Frank > > > =C2=A0Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:31:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0384A106566C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B008FC13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4VMWn90001077 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:31:40 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: how to i designate the current function...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:31:46 -0000 I'm not sure this is std yet, but think it is available in gcc. If I'm calling funtion bar(char *, char) with one of the args incorrect, is there a way to have gcc name bar() in an error message? I have a function that I may rename that asks whether or not to continue processing "Y/n", and I type in 'U' rather that 'Y' in the calling routine, what's the _MAGIC_ string to use. Right now i have something like : default_yesno("Continue? [Y/n]? ", 'Y'); and in default_yesno() I error check. Just to save o/wise time/effort/typing. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:34:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF67210656CC for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0E88FC1B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so10462363qyk.3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:34:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.74.212 with SMTP id v20mr1516029qcj.16.1243809264142; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:34:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090510152310.2ecc3a47@it.buh.tecnik93.com> References: <173f52ec0905100208sda471d2q31534ca168650d63@mail.gmail.com> <20090510152310.2ecc3a47@it.buh.tecnik93.com> From: Chun-fan Ivan Liao Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:34:04 +0800 Message-ID: <173f52ec0905311534l4e94ee56ofdb481e2248575db@mail.gmail.com> To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Apcupsd Discussion List , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:34:29 -0000 On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote= : > On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:08:03 +0800 > Chun-fan Ivan Liao wrote: > >> OS version: FreeBSD 7.2 RELEASE >> apcupsd version: 3.14.5 >> UPS model: APC-MGE Back-UPS RS 1000VA (BR1000TW) >> UPS cable type: usb >> >> 3 important lines in /usr/local/etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf: >> --------- >> UPSCABLE usb >> UPSTYPE usb >> DEVICE >> --------- >> Other lines are default. >> >> >> Problem Description: >> 1. >> The APC box cannot be detected when connected to the FreeBSD system on >> system boot. (apcupsd_enable=3D"YES" is set in /etc/rc.conf ) >> >> The associated messages in /var/log/messages: >> --------- >> May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in >> bsd-usb.c at line 735 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed >> USB trouble shooting information, please see >> . >> May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd error shutdown >> completed --------- > > Please post your /var/run/dmesg.boot after a roobot. > Please see http://www.ivangelion.tw/~cfliao/dmesg.boot. >> 2. >> Continuing 1, if I unplug the connecting USB then re-plug it to the >> same port, the USB cannot be identified. >> >> The associated message in /var/log/messages: >> --------- >> May 10 16:36:17 aura-cosmetics kernel: uhub0: device problem >> (TIMEOUT), disabling port 3 >> --------- > > I'd say we hava a problem here. > > I'd be curios to know if you see the same thing with a kernel w/o usb > in it and the following klds loaded: usb.ko, ugen.ko, umass.ko > The result is the same. I've commented all the usb devices in my kernel, and put the following 3 lines in /boot/loader.conf: usb_load=3D"YES" ugen_load=3D"YES" umass_load=3D"YES" > > > -- > IOnut - Un^d^dregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" > =C2=A0"Intellectual Property" is =C2=A0 nowhere near as valuable =C2=A0 a= s "Intellect" > FreeBSD committer -> itetcu@FreeBSD.org, PGP Key ID 057E9F8B493A297B > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:36:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EFD106566B; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from mars.hostupon.com (mars.hostupon.com [67.228.194.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59408FC08; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from catch.all@marketmentat.com) Received: from [121.219.125.19] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mars.hostupon.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MAtdp-0003lm-88; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:36:46 -0500 From: GT To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:36:30 +1000 Message-Id: <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.hostupon.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marketmentat.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:36:58 -0000 I'm pretty sure you could set up a filter on Mr Puchar's name; it's not hard. That said, I just read a sample of his posts (not all of them), and the ones I looked at didn't appear to be 'off-topic' and would probably have passed muster from any reasonable moderator (aye, but there's the rub: who gets to define 'reasonable'?). The phrase "You're fast to agree with our resident M$ troll when he argues against government control of anything, even of protecting the population from a 'free' market that's happy to profit by poisoning people in body or mind" stands in stark contrast to your exhortation that he "focus [his] energies on things you do know something about". I'm against moderation, for the simple reason that people who want to be moderators will bring their baggage to their efforts (like your "corporations kill the environment and are protected by the 'free' market" stuff, or my "government is the problem, full stop: Caedite Eos" stuff). That is to say, anyone who wants to be a moderator ought to be disqualified from doing so (that goes for anyone who wants to control anyone else). In sum, I double-plus unbellyfeel groupthink. Cheerio GT (No Microsoft products were used in the creation of this message - MS would not exist but for its government contracts ... MSFT is a distinctly NON-'market' entity). On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 16:00 +1000, Ian Smith wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote > in freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 260, Issue 31 > [..] > > 1. Fw: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console (Graham Bentley) > > 2. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > > (Mel Flynn) > > 3. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > > (Valentin Bud) > > 4. Re: MIME attachments in mbox files (Ian Smith) > > 5. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Jerry) > > 6. FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > > (Prokofyev Vladislav) > > 7. GSM to Serial Converter (Exemys) > > 8. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found (Mel Flynn) > > 9. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > > (Michael Powell) > > 10. Re: GSM to Serial Converter (Kevin Kinsey) > > 11. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (cpghost) > > 12. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found > > (Prokofyev Vladislav) > > 13. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > > 14. Re: Fresh install 7.2-RELEASE i386, X won't start > > (Wojciech Puchar) > > 15. Re: Failure to get past a PCI bridge (Ian Smith) > > 16. Re: What is this forum for? (Wojciech Puchar) > > 17. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Wojciech Puchar) > > 18. Re: What is this forum for? (Wojciech Puchar) > > 19. Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p12 bind9 log files not found (Mel Flynn) > > 20. Re: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > > 21. Re: Competition law (was Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint) > > (Wojciech Puchar) > > 22. RE: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > > 23. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > > 24. Re: MIME attachments in mbox files (Wojciech Puchar) > > 25. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > > 26. Re: On the need for moderated questions lists (Wojciech Puchar) > > 27. Re: Remotely edit user disk quota (Wojciech Puchar) > > 28. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > > (Wojciech Puchar) > > 29. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Mel Flynn) > > 30. Re: Software creating karaoke from mp3 files (Wojciech Puchar) > > 31. Re: Greylisting and new posters (Wojciech Puchar) > > 32. Re: find and searching for specific expression in files > > (Wojciech Puchar) > > 33. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (Wojciech Puchar) > > 34. Re: Canon printer and TurboPrint (cpghost) > > 35. Filter request Re: GSM to Serial Converter (Wojciech Puchar) > > 36. Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail (Wojciech Puchar) > > Woj, 20 out of 36 messages, over 55% of all these messages, are by you. > > Having been very busy in recent weeks, I'd accumulated about 24 digests > unread that I ploughed through yesterday, many of which featured over > 50% of messages either from you, or from silly people reacting to you, > whose ranks I must join for just this once. > > I gather that you're hoping to prove that without moderation - as we've > enjoyed for 11 years that I've experienced - if you keep on flooding the > list with so much off-topic crap, then we'll be forced into accepting > your wish for the list to be controlled, post by post, by some poor > bastard who needs to be awake 24/7/365 and has little else of a life. > > I don't have the sort of free time (nor apparent need) that you have to > try fashioning this sometimes-helpful list after my own wishes, which is > why I get digests, posting occasionally where I think I can maybe help. > I'm also subscribed to about a dozen other FreeBSD lists that in total > deliver not many more messages per day than this one sometimes does. > > You're not even being vaguely consistent. You're fast to agree with our > resident M$ troll when he argues against government control of anything, > even of protecting the population from a 'free' market that's happy to > profit by poisoning people in body or mind, but then you insist we need > to establish another sort of 'government' to control what people want to > discuss on these lists? Fortunately, that's just not going to happen. > > You are quite capable of being helpful and even useful to the FreeBSD > Project, if you'd focus your energies on things you do know something > about and by widening your experience in areas covered by other lists. > > You are equally as capable in this role as wannabe list wrecker, opining > on every second message including all the silly wildly off-topic ones. > > You already HAVE the power to greatly improve this list. Please do so. > > Sincerely, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:45:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17537106566B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79A988FC19 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:45:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2009 22:45:31 -0000 Received: from ipa175.88.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [79.107.88.175] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu003) with SMTP; 01 Jun 2009 00:45:31 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uU3VAJkbud76Xd08kE+hAYpeh6jvMlb553f7l+g 02klBpl/uDk5mX Message-ID: <4A23084D.6030704@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:44:29 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Judd , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <4A22FCE5.3030205@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.55 Cc: Subject: Re: dual gateways X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:45:34 -0000 Tim Judd wrote: > > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis > wrote: > > Tim Judd wrote: > > I know it is not typical, but here's my setup. > > I have a private IP scope (/24 block) split up. 2 /25's > > I have a box that has dual NICs. One is on the low /25 and one > is on the > high /25. The high /25 is only used for jails and his gateway is a > soekris/alix board that will function. I can't find out how to > get the high > /25 to assign an additional gateway that's directed toward the > soekris/alix > SBC. > > > Any tips or advice on how I can setup the high netblock to get > it to route > successfully to the SBC? > > > Something like: > [internet-IP router 10.0.0.1/25] > | > | > [10.0.0.129/25 FreeBSD 10.0.0.2/25] > | > | > [10.0.0.130/25 router internet-IP] > > Is this your setup? > OK, I am confused:) Could you please explain? > > > > > internet > router1 (192.168.0.1/25) > (192.168.0.2/25) router2 (192.168.0.129/25) > [192.168.0.5/25] Box with problems [192.168.0.130] > > All my jails on this box is on the top half, and i want the jails to go > through the 192.168.0.129/25 gateway (which in > turn goes through 0.1, but it's a matter of separating off hostile > computers in my lab that i work on ppls computers with. > > > Does this help? Yes, you want to use 192.168.0.2 as your default route and 192.168.0.129 as the default route for traffic originating from the jails 192.168.0.130/25. You can use a firewall to do such things, all three "FreeBSD" firewalls have this ca- pability. ipfw has the fwd action and pf has the route-to option to change the next hop to whatever the administrator desires. Check the manual of your favorite firewall. There is an other option, setfib. You could compile a kernel with multiple routing tables support and start the jails in the second routing table which would have 192.168.0.129 as the default router. HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 22:48:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF2F106567C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF7F8FC15 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id n4VMPVV4000827; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id n4VMPVK1000826; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:25:31 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: Robert Huff Message-ID: <20090531222531.GA21537@saltmine.radix.net> References: <18978.56856.705030.492797@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18978.56856.705030.492797@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing tab stops X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:48:44 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:44:24PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: >=20 > I have a C program that writes to a terminal (currently xterm, > but could be anything). For reasons I won't go into, I would like > to read and change the terminal's tab stops ... from within the > program ... in a generic/portable way. You could make a program which does what "resize" does to find the screensize: it moves the cursor and asks where it is. (I'm not aware of an existing program which asks based on tab stops). > Is this possible? > If so, what are the keywords associated with my first clue? The control sequence that does the asking is the cursor position report (CPR). http://invisible-island.net/xterm/ctlseqs/ctlseqs.html (also vt100.net). Not all terminals implement this (for instance FreeBSD console probably does not). --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFKIwNztIqByHxlDocRAvJzAJ0Xf7U0IRf2CW984Gvw/k1k+A0v+ACeNk1L lY/cHaiTsTJ//PpjkjCDwO0= =qbwZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 23:17:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7197A106564A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090EE8FC13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D2F16C00AD; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n4VNGwbu011834; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:16:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:16:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Graham Bentley" Message-Id: <20090601011658.6a9d892c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:17:07 -0000 Hi Graham, I never thought that I could help you, but playing around a bit on the keyboard seemed to open up an interesting obervation: - =A3 - A working Pound sign! On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:10:25 +0100, "Graham Bentley" wr= ote: > Sorry to keep banging on about this but does anyone actually > have uk pound signs working in 7.2? What font and keymap > are you using? Accidentally - because I never intended it - I have a UK Pound sign: =A3 Settings: LC_ALL is set to en_US.ISO8859-1 In /etc/rc.conf: keymap=3D"german.iso" keyrate=3D"fast" font8x14=3D"iso-8x14" font8x16=3D"iso-8x16" font8x8=3D"iso-8x8" In X: Nothing changed, except stuff in xorg.conf that hasn't something to do with fonts 'n stuff. Tested setting: Editor GNotepad+ (port gnotepad+, run as gnp) Keypress: Alt-Gr + Shift + 3 Shift + 3 -> =A7 Alt-Gr + 3 -> =B3 Alt-Gr + Shift + 3 -> =A3 This is, as I mentioned before, obviously not intended. I'm using german settings for the keyboard. Note that I don't use -15 (instead of -1) so I don't have the Euro currency symbol in gnp, but I have it in OpenOffice (Alt-Gr + E). Maybe it works with -15, too. Further testing: Works in X-Terminal (standard xterm) Works in Sylpheed (Gtk 2) Works in GNotepad+ (Gtk 1) Works in OpenOffice 3.0.0 M9/9358 (german version) Maybe you want to try it. Here are some Pound signs for copy & paste: =A3 =A3 =A3 =A3 =A3 =A3 =A3 =A3= =A3. Use them wisely and in peace. :-) > And, what actually is the process for reporting > bugs or getting help with problem like this. I don't think it's a "problem", it's just a "strangely appearing circumstance of misconfiguration". :-) --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 23:23:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892731065672 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oxyd.oxyd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6078FC12 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oxyd.oxyd@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so7334225bwz.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:23:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:subject:from :content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=N2O1y8Vp3uMhpbbUshWOHl1vcDxMdqAg0nVpcHjJ1zY=; b=TZNPLgykojQImNLc8LjxgMdiJIcWhIPC1hsPsy/K1Xbb4tsPeTo8cixujFYi9IkeyB KqlE/BfE+BQTujd6CKVbFLj3RpX+RmyNj21YskByxO8seKEKo8fgQpuWgmMVLTbF8M4p ACecaeI2lqsceGMxCp8CiUzw+DdA++DGoa6Vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:references :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=x+V//yLRn9at631y7YGTdoJdsyHqZ6li4Be1PvCs1DsczRQSF1zHdeEsS09Ac4so9f 17Ty+n9e+hAYOKV8ZGY8NKjl1Cp6Xl0nCkalfIbyEgp7PpLT5jPQzCbjajM87QT6hYKs S+0w5JmcORhAnAaPohEbV8tRs3kI/zyi7Wpbw= Received: by 10.103.247.14 with SMTP id z14mr2943577mur.70.1243810430950; Sun, 31 May 2009 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adsl-static-82-202-0-211.praha.tiscali.cz [82.202.0.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s10sm1383478mue.8.2009.05.31.15.53.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 31 May 2009 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:53:39 +0200 To: "Gary Kline" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" From: =?utf-8?B?T25kxZllaiBNYWplcmVjaA==?= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (FreeBSD) Cc: Subject: Re: how to i designate the current function...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:23:25 -0000 On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:31:40 +0200, Gary Kline wrote: > I'm not sure this is std yet, but think it is available in gcc. > If I'm calling funtion bar(char *, char) with one of the args > incorrect, is there a way to have gcc name bar() in an error message? > Are you looking for the __FUNCTION__ macro? void baz( char yes_no ) { if ( yes_no == 'Y' || yes_no == 'N' ) { // Do stuff... } else { printf( "%s: %s\n", __FUNCTION__, "I got an invalid arg" ); } } AFAIK, this isn't standard C, but well supported on GCC. Ondra From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 23:46:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC24B106571B for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DF48FC0A for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MAujb-0004ux-59; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:46:35 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n4VNkYNd029409; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:46:34 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 92B67FCA505; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:46:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:46:29 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Graham Bentley Message-ID: <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Graham Bentley , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:46:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:46:40 -0000 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:10:25PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: > > Sorry to keep banging on about this but does anyone actually > have uk pound signs working in 7.2? What font and keymap > are you using? keymap="uk.cp850" I guess I use the corresponding syscons font file as I don't have a declaration in rc.conf. You should be able to use vidcontrol(1) to load new sycons fonts. You can compile in your default syscons(4) font once you get it working. > And, what actually is the process for reporting > bugs or getting help with problem like this. Any advice appreciated > even from Mr Puchar :)) For reporting bugs: send-pr(1). This isn't a bug though, as my UK keyboard works fine on 7.2-RC2 Your problem can probably be fixed by: # vidcontrol -f 8x16 /usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp850-8x16.fnt # kbdcontrol -l /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/uk.cp850.kbd or you could use the iso keymap, I guess. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 31 23:52:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2AD1065782 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFBE8FC18 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 23:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4VNrWAS001617; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:23 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Ond??ej Majerech Message-ID: <20090531235222.GA9384@thought.org> References: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how to i designate the current function...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:52:28 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 12:53:39AM +0200, Ond??ej Majerech wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:31:40 +0200, Gary Kline wrote: > > > I'm not sure this is std yet, but think it is available in gcc. > > If I'm calling funtion bar(char *, char) with one of the args > > incorrect, is there a way to have gcc name bar() in an error message? > > > > Are you looking for the __FUNCTION__ macro? > > void baz( char yes_no ) { > if ( yes_no == 'Y' || yes_no == 'N' ) { > // Do stuff... > } else { > printf( "%s: %s\n", __FUNCTION__, "I got an invalid arg" ); > } > } > > AFAIK, this isn't standard C, but well supported on GCC. > > Ondra Yes, this is just what I was thinking off. Thanks muchly. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 00:03:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2678E106566C; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716328FC16; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5103J86027202; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5103JDV027199; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: GT In-Reply-To: <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:03:26 -0000 > passed muster from any reasonable moderator (aye, but there's the rub: > who gets to define 'reasonable'?). > > The phrase "You're fast to agree with our resident M$ troll when he > argues against government control of anything, even of protecting the > population from a 'free' market that's happy to profit by poisoning > people in body or mind" stands in stark contrast to your exhortation > that he "focus [his] energies on things you do know something about". > > I'm against moderation, for the simple reason that people who want to be > moderators will bring their baggage to their efforts (like your > "corporations kill the environment and are protected by the 'free' > market" stuff, or my "government is the problem, full stop: Caedite Eos" > stuff). That is to say, anyone who wants to be a moderator ought to be > disqualified from doing so (that goes for anyone who wants to control so you like to moderate me, being against moderation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 00:11:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1D11065702 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2882B8FC1C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 20:11:04 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id KXB30315; Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 20:10:52 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18979.7307.657951.468037@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:51 -0400 To: Thomas Dickey In-Reply-To: <20090531222531.GA21537@saltmine.radix.net> References: <18978.56856.705030.492797@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090531222531.GA21537@saltmine.radix.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Robert Huff , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: changing tab stops X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:11:05 -0000 Thomas Dickey writes: > > I have a C program that writes to a terminal (currently xterm, > > but could be anything). For reasons I won't go into, I would like > > to read and change the terminal's tab stops ... from within the > > program ... in a generic/portable way. > > You could make a program which does what "resize" does to find the > screensize: it moves the cursor and asks where it is. (I'm not > aware of an existing program which asks based on tab stops). Ugh. If that's the alternative, I can probably live without. Thanks for the suggestion. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 00:23:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35668106566C; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED108FC08; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 00:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so801746fxm.43 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jR8s/IHwGJP9gvR9kfQC1p1zSMxdIYHlikTi6w0sRH4=; b=Rd5+QR5jczG61xGKrgZpLm9AHkAfOvSyR3twOR5M7Q1VGnL9D4r1jv2lO+kFypKAUa 8cM65audLlhSi25Ye0UMavajUdnrBWIN2N7mZnXQYnbWwcsPlQFr4AyZm6DxizmxAFCc FYnJ+WphN7Ah+nBjwcLFAdWTSTrnqJMhf9ShY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gbmquRf9ewPawcLBd2ClTLiVT5vekerV5TFB2CpWmTJFKUQIQA2y6C2x2E6OvjUEKx 9UnWy5BsaSHT5ViSiS9q5rTP98UDi03DzsqGMACzD4NIdwONlZTK3iwgZZDkoKeEFzCt JDj2BktWfuHATJm4b5xk8uv1kBF94ynfle1x4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.72 with SMTP id o8mr5124381bkh.210.1243815784706; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310905311723l784fc210ra0640b5ed1e9f65c@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: GT , Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:23:07 -0000 Please take this to chat@, because this is getting really old. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 01:06:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D64106567C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FE98FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5117Fl1002164 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:06:06 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:06:11 -0000 is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the compiler at runtime? example: main (int argc, char *argv) with this macro might print: "2", "testinput" and baz(char *file, int count) similarly might print, "testinput", "47" i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to ask. thanks, gary ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 01:23:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AEC106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from till.plewe@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE378FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from till.plewe@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so6219669pxi.3 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=U9jB1e3UU4jiUkZIfPA/uDAT21ro+AbKfqbIf31Q/DU=; b=xN5mGOJbV2JIrU8C0DidyhyeO3ZSorxbeqI2XHBguyhY9VBKpYsDlRe7vwxzGIfQQX qJ8LC3uXE9ylZ7fQJXEU0Lw5KfUDZXCMuRnE6JeCIwwagKIE+eFAhaKe3r2z/ZENohZ0 9JCZNFstCaZXWp2zYelQed7K94Mo5Yu6RQsuo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H5H1B1lYotFM6V7eAEuoAZqXKUYMQYbLtcotpzHwLXDdHIsnJ8ljUtZEN22YAbqdto ygwDfElS4ZjY5KwryH5uWXG+1RujLX87JfPcN5w3l+0V1oMfb98Ejrndn2GF/+xQ5xFv bo7Euk7VX4pojGG6cgliLPpnloV/zc6G5VI/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.35.4 with SMTP id n4mr1613760wfj.73.1243819381376; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:23:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:01 +0900 Message-ID: <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> From: till plewe To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:23:02 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > compiler at runtime? > > example: > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > with this macro might print: > > "2", "testinput" > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > similarly might print, > > "testinput", "47" > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > ask. > > thanks, > > gary > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > How is the macro supposed to know how to print the arguments? There may be user defined types. The simplest way would be to add a printf statement after each function definition. You could write scripts which generate the format strings for you from your header files and then use a (variadic) macro which expects that you have generated a table which contains for each function name the corresponding format string and argument list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 01:47:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3F7106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9A18FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n511mBPW002467; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:47:02 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: till plewe Message-ID: <20090601014702.GB9839@thought.org> References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 01:47:08 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 10:23:01AM +0900, till plewe wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > > compiler at runtime? > > > > example: > > > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > > > with this macro might print: > > > > "2", "testinput" > > > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > > > similarly might print, > > > > "testinput", "47" > > > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > > ask. > > > > thanks, > > > > gary > > > > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > How is the macro supposed to know how to print the arguments? > There may be user defined types. > > The simplest way would be to add a printf statement after each > function definition. yeah, this is what i've done by hand. printfs at first, then gdb last. > > You could write scripts which generate the format strings for you from > your header files and then use a (variadic) macro which expects that you have > generated a table which contains for each function name the corresponding > format string and argument list. a script might work, thanks for the idea. but it's enought to have been reminded of the gcc macros . -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 01:53:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995B71065670 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anonymous@ns36220.ovh.net) Received: from ns36220.ovh.net (ns36220.ovh.net [87.98.217.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 192718FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 01:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anonymous@ns36220.ovh.net) Received: (qmail 10561 invoked by uid 99); 31 May 2009 17:34:19 -0000 Date: 31 May 2009 17:34:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20090531173419.18992.qmail@ns36220.ovh.net> To: questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Fortuny (Sales Manager) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Buy Apple Ipod , Iphone etc.... 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Read: It is possible to use the underline attribute in text mode? For example, when I call "man man" in an xterm, the effect is this, black on white: SYNOPSIS man [-adfhkotw] [-m arch[:machine]] ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ bold font underlined It is the same when using grey on black color settings, like the text mode console does. On the "real" text mode console, the display is different, grey on black: SYNOPSIS man [-adfhkotw] [-m arch[:machine]] ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ white (not grey) inverted Which file / setting does control how text is displayed when attributed with some "emphasize" (bold / invert / underline)? I think it has something to do with the capabilities of the attached "terminal driver", e. g. a terminal that can do underline uses underline if requested, one which can't uses invert instead. But how can I tell (e. g. through a C program, maybe using ncurses) that text should be underlined? Inverted is no problem (change color pair)... At least according to "man curs_attr", there are several attributes that can be set. I've made a simple testing program (attached, I hope) which does, when run in an xterm, exactly what is intended (almost): colors are chosen like at the text mode console (grey on black), and both bold and underlining do work, inverse too. Blinking doesn't. At the text mode console, blink works, inverse too, but underlining does not (no effect). Is there any possible way to get underlining in the "real" text mode? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... --Multipart=_Mon__1_Jun_2009_04_02_23_+0200_EqBxabSpw7U6wOSb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 02:26:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2FA106566C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD118FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 31 May 2009 19:26:09 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [189.61.14.81] From: Rodrigo Vilanova To: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:26:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2009 02:26:09.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[52D18390:01C9E260] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD maillist Subject: RE: kernel compile problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:26:09 -0000 Hi Chris=2C Tks for help. My source was incomplete. My bad! best regards=2CCabelyn > From: utisoft@googlemail.com > Date: Sun=2C 31 May 2009 20:32:46 +0100 > To: vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com > CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: kernel compile problem >=20 > 2009/5/31 Rodrigo Vilanova : >> >> Hi there=2C >> >> >> I want to use FreeBSD 7.2 as a simple firewall and VPN at home. I=92ve = a >> dedicated computer to this. >> >> >> I=92m trying to compile my FreeBSD 7.2 Kernel on my computer and I havi= ng >> the following problem: >> >> >> [...] >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c: In function 'sv= r4_sys_systeminfo':/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:= 461: error: 'hostid' undeclared (first use in this function)/usr/src/sys/mo= dules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: (Each undeclared ident= ifier is reported only once/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4= _stat.c:461: error: for each function it appears in.)*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> >> >> >> >> How can I solve this problem=2C please? >> >> >> >> >> I attached these files: >> >> >> >> compile.tar >> >> >> FW -> kernel config file >> >> >> dmesg.boot >> >> >> compiler.end - it is the exit from "make buidkernel KERNCONF=3DFW" >> >> >> >> best regards=2C >> >> Cabelyn >> >=20 > Before anyone reads your config file=2C are you sure the sources are > complete? Can you build GENERIC? >=20 > Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe=2C send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd1_052009= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 02:53:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1ED106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3378FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 2CD0B16B62B; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:53:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.85]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 301DA16B71E; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:53:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Sun, 31 May 2009 21:50:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:49:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Text attribute differences of syscons and xterm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:53:24 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Polytropon wrote: > I'd like to ask the following question: Can the syscons driver > be configured in a way that certain screen attributes are > displayed in the same way? Read: It is possible to use the > underline attribute in text mode? If your video card and monitor combination supports underlining this might be worth pursuing. Many VGA-compatible cards do not, and text-mode underlining has not been common for a long time. See man 4 screen for the ansi codes to see if you can get your combination of video card and monitor to display underscores at all. More than likely you will never get past this step because the odds are your hardware doesn't have this ability. If you can get ANSI underscores in text mode, the termcap code for underline overstrikes is ul. Perhaps you can devise a termcap that more accurately describes the capabilities of your monitor/video card combination. By all means, backup your original termcap before trying this. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 07:42:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEED106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBF48FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcMAJ8jI0rUnw4S/2dsb2JhbACBSYkRhEG7WgiEBAU Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 08:42:34 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1MB2AE-0000FB-3w; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <30B9DACB49314DECA37A609793D6C0A7@main> From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Polytropon" References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org><0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090601011658.6a9d892c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:42:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: 2ed8f5478ab6a6561a591acfb8c75429 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:42:36 -0000 > keymap="german.iso" > keyrate="fast" > font8x14="iso-8x14" > font8x16="iso-8x16" > font8x8="iso-8x8" PT ~ I tried your settings above in /etc/rc.conf Still no pound signs Im afraid - just a beep :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 07:59:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FC11065670 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE6B8FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 07:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcMAFcgI0rUnw4U/2dsb2JhbACBSYkRhEG7cAiEBAU Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 08:30:17 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay08.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1MB1yL-0007D3-5c; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:30:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Frank Shute" References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:28:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: 325d399587c1292ecf66101a7545d894 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:59:15 -0000 > keymap="uk.cp850" Same here! > For reporting bugs: send-pr(1). > This isn't a bug though, as my UK keyboard works fine on 7.2-RC2 Lets see thats 1 out 3 of us so far that this doesnt work for - so ... thats not a bug? > Your problem can probably be fixed by: > # vidcontrol -f 8x16 /usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp850-8x16.fnt > # kbdcontrol -l /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/uk.cp850.kbd Thanks for the reply Frank, but sadly the above makes no difference at all - I still get a beep, not a pound sign :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 08:03:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67986106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB0B8FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5183XO6036145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:03:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n5183XO6036145 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243843420; bh=vxfxapnrEzwwtIusT7D12gd6Cn3v/w9qku5cDBfmY98=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20M on,=2001=20Jun=202009=2009:03:25=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090515)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Erik=20Norgaard=20|CC:=20q uestions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20migrating=20berkeley=20DBs=2 0(4.3=20to=204.6)|References:=20<4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org>|In -Reply-To:=20<4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org>|X-Enigmail-Version:=2 00.95.7|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed= 3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-sign ature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig404F01F693319FDB09AF C99F"; b=jpkmpOWc+TyY8klzSz0RLc7pPsdmNb72go1frobBfHIWl1KSjctAHdtP6wTJGY6R0 +CSS/e9HmVW4Pk9B/LvMKLctWWtnWHaaubHpWU5UcfCEhbJtA8smabGMNQg5+SBvQW RWZ2TT4ZzSTn0Zgq3h8ouOmXS42lohEBMNiIwqHg= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4] claimed to be significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net Message-ID: <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:03:25 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Norgaard References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig404F01F693319FDB09AFC99F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:03:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig404F01F693319FDB09AFC99F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erik Norgaard wrote: > I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled > with BDB 4.3. >=20 > Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to > migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a > newer version of BDB. >=20 > Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? >=20 > The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at > sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such > information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? Yes -- I believe BDB 4.3 and 4.6 aren't binary compatible it seems. For the special case of cyrus-imapd you should use cvt_cyrusdb(8) to dump out the contents of cyrus DB files to ascii, update everything, and then use cvt_cyrusdb to reload the data. As I recall, the real biggie for this is maintaining the 'seen' state. I think just about anything else can be rebuilt from the mailbox data itself by running a reconstruct. However, on a large mailspool reconstruct will take a while, so dump'n'reload would be preferable. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK --------------enig404F01F693319FDB09AFC99F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoji1IACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VbwsQCdGGzRUu97khz0armty4Cs7N8k VmwAn0wlyVzRMKpBwz6QZ7efTwvq3jso =scRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig404F01F693319FDB09AFC99F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 08:30:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717EB1065776 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (macos.cmi.ua.ac.be [143.129.75.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2B78FC20 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n518UnXI019871 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:30:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) Received: from localhost (pdon@localhost) by macos.cmi.ua.ac.be (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n518UnZM019868 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:30:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Pieter.Donche@ua.ac.be) X-Authentication-Warning: macos.cmi.ua.ac.be: pdon owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:30:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Pieter Donche X-X-Sender: pdon@macos.cmi.ua.ac.be To: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: freebsd version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pieter Donche List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:30:52 -0000 I upgraded to Freebsd systems from 7.0 to 7.2 on the first one, done May 25th, I use the generic kernel $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #0 on the second one, done 3 days later (May 28th) on this system I also build and installed a custom kernel after upgrade. $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #1 Why is this different? (#0 versus #1) What does #Number actually mean: is this the same as -pNumber used in the mails from @daily root freebsd-update cron "The following files will be updated as part of updating to X.Y-RELEASE-pNumber" If not, what is the difference ? what's the difference between version, level, patchlevel, 'release level', 'version level of a release' (any others ?), ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 08:55:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017F91065672 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE4E8FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 49F5A15200E44E06 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:55:47 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AioGALs0I0pV4jsLPGdsb2JhbACBT5Y+AQEBAbJshAwF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,283,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="530486975" Received: from c-0b3be255.107-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz) ([85.226.59.11]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 10:55:46 +0200 Received: from [192.168.69.67] (phobos [192.168.69.67]) by gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n518Mfq9008230 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:22:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Message-ID: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:22:41 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090430) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: vmstat questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:55:49 -0000 Hi. This is my "vmstat -i" from my newly installed 7.2-RELEASE-amd64: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq4: sio0 1105 0 irq17: em1 uhci1+ 10921807 182 irq19: uhci3++ 8196905 136 cpu0: timer 117164643 1956 irq256: em0 7346687 122 irq257: re0 166625 2 cpu1: timer 117164471 1956 Total 260962243 4358 For a long time I've tried to find out what the + and ++ means. Can anyone shed some light on that? Also, where did my atapcis on irq19 go? I'm pretty sure I had them listed there in 7.0-RELEASE. dmesg snip: uhci3: port 0xd480-0xd49f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 atapci2: port 0xe880-0xe887,0xe800-0xe803,0xe480-0xe487,0xe400-0xe403,0xe080-0xe08f,0xe000-0xe00f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci3: port 0xd080-0xd087,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xcc07,0xc880-0xc883,0xc800-0xc80f,0xc480-0xc48f irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0 Regards Morgan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:06:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55D9106568C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4878FC1B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51968Uk029946; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:06:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n519678b029943; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:06:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:06:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:06:16 -0000 > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > compiler at runtime? > what a problem to do int a; for (a=0;a example: > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > with this macro might print: > > "2", "testinput" > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > similarly might print, > > "testinput", "47" > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > ask. > > thanks, > > gary > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:08:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94AB1065673 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5C38FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51984bV029965; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51983nV029962; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Lars Eighner In-Reply-To: <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Message-ID: References: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Text attribute differences of syscons and xterm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:08:16 -0000 > If your video card and monitor combination supports underlining this > might be worth pursuing. Many VGA-compatible cards do not, and text-mode hmm. my knowledge of VGA programming is from 386 times, but i remember it to be a standard - underline or ability to display another 256 characters - selectable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:09:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F771065688 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE3C8FC19 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:08:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5198qCU029972; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5198qmb029969; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Pieter Donche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "mail.list freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: freebsd version numbers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:09:00 -0000 > I upgraded to Freebsd systems from 7.0 to 7.2 > on the first one, done May 25th, I use the generic kernel > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #0 > > on the second one, done 3 days later (May 28th) > on this system I also build and installed a custom kernel after upgrade. > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #1 every time you do config and make depend;make it bumps that number by one From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:34:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6221C1065670 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:34:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43468FC18 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pieter Donche wrote: > I upgraded to Freebsd systems from 7.0 to 7.2 > on the first one, done May 25th, I use the generic kernel > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #0 >=20 > on the second one, done 3 days later (May 28th) > on this system I also build and installed a custom kernel after upgrade= =2E > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #1 >=20 > Why is this different? (#0 versus #1) >=20 > What does #Number actually mean: is this the same as -pNumber used in > the mails from @daily root freebsd-update cron > "The following files will be updated as part of updating to > X.Y-RELEASE-pNumber" No, it's nothing like that. It's a count of the number of times a kernel has been built from a particular source tree. Unless you're doing active kernel development it doesn't mean anything much. > If not, what is the difference ? >=20 > what's the difference between version, level, patchlevel, 'release > level', 'version level of a release' (any others ?), ... See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.= html which explains quite a lot of that sort of thing. Effectively there are releases made at approximately regular intervals of about 4 months. These have names like '7.2-RELEASE'. When significant problems or security holes are discovered, patches will be produced for any supported releases. These have names like '7.1-RELEASE-p5' where the p-number is just a counter showing how many patches there have been since the actual release. There may be several major versions with releases being made from them -- e.g. 6.4-RELEASE and 7.1-RELEASE came out pretty much simultaneously. The next release due is 8.0-RELEASE, but there will be 7.3-RELEASE sometime after that. There's a new major version approximately every 18 months, from which there will typically be 4 or 5 minor version releases). In addition to the releases there are two types of development streams that you can track: at the moment that's 8.0-CURRENT also known as HEAD (the bleeding edge which is not at all suitable for beginners, nor would any sensible person run anything important on it) and then the various STABLE streams such as 7.2-STABLE a.k.a RELENG_7 (STABLE here is a comment on the runtime characteristics of the OS, not on the rate of change of the code base -- these are active development branches). Around the time a release is made, the STABLE streams change name to eg. 7.3-PRERELEASE and possibly a few others, but it's all from the same CVS branch. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB external HD (used only for backups): May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is ufs/Backup5. May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is msdosfs/ . May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected" and "umass0: detached". What does it mean? Best Regards, Alexander Derevyanko. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:55:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE77F106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from slacknet.com (slacknet.com [166.70.153.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1298FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rj45@slacknet.com) Received: from rj45 (helo=localhost) by slacknet.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1MB3u3-00061t-3A for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:33:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 03:33:59 -0600 (MDT) From: RJ45 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rj45@slacknet.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on slacknet.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: problem on a MX sendmail machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:55:37 -0000 hello I have a FreeBSD machine FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD being a MX record with high loads. I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. any hints ? thank you swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 469743, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 468639, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 500495, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 487647, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 478575, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 510111, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 490815, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 522943, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 513311, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 519727, size: 61440 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 10:18:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA08106566C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elegoff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA368FC21 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elegoff@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so7538437bwz.43 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AE9hGrjK4hTUF4yw9U7O0flbZ2jPIftVQGbhserQIvU=; b=CL++X57X7ggeNPjL+Zyrnl7TPKIQlRGh3ptnWe3EAr2c8Lzjg2XHPgS8j3+PCTSjqT snEgYVSYiKumRWfKDC2lFTi/mfc5MDO/8xHsdzuyuRttfUTAdGFlbTAym9Y+aH6xu6LJ OOPAlcefd9I/1PEDa4KXjhvVb4L0QmlC3rJiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TW+aW/4M4Yybog/FdfP9fpA9em6+vnQuh/fl7u8UUMDRabwuRzzCMPc/TqiTJt/XO3 rOERnlhqVVc8H8pKasJSlTIGuC3cRtISWpwi0/DTSL0Jlw+MJmksl+KA9l3TU4MfZ5vq DBotdvHn6/bjOt4BgQZTT0LART/E8BJ4V+BaE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.82 with SMTP id x18mr5583006bkc.5.1243849670104; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: Eric Le Goff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: gnat gpl 2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:18:59 -0000 I noticed that AdaCore has delivered=C2=A02009 Edition [http://libre.adacore.com/libre/tools/gnat-gpl-edition/] of its GNAT GPL toolset. Will the port lang/gnat reflect this update ? Should I stick to gnat gpl 2006 which is the latest I found in my ports tre= e ? or go for any of the lang/gnat-gcc* ports ? The x86-linux version is downloadable from : [http://libre2.adacore.com/dynamic/view/gnat-gpl-2009-43-i686-gnu-linux-lib= c2.3-bin.tar.gz?version=3D2009&config=3Dx86-linux&filename=3Dgnat-gpl-2009-= 43-i686-gnu-linux-libc2.3-bin.tar.gz] But I would need a step by step instruction from for how to set it up in my FreeBSD 7.2 (i386) box Thanks for your help -- Eric Le Goff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 10:54:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F8F106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38048FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:49185 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MB58i-0000pr-8E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:53:14 +0200 Received: (qmail 13178 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 12:53:10 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Jun 2009 12:53:10 +0200 Received: (qmail 13723 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Jun 2009 12:53:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:53:10 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Graham Bentley Message-ID: <20090601105310.GA13688@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MB58i-0000pr-8E. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1MB58i-0000pr-8E f2fe6a88313a53ac5c0abfae0c3b3a43 Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:54:28 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:28:51AM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: > > keymap="uk.cp850" > Same here! > > > For reporting bugs: send-pr(1). > > This isn't a bug though, as my UK keyboard works fine on 7.2-RC2 > > Lets see thats 1 out 3 of us so far that this doesnt work for > - so ... thats not a bug? > > > Your problem can probably be fixed by: > > # vidcontrol -f 8x16 /usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp850-8x16.fnt > > # kbdcontrol -l /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/uk.cp850.kbd > > Thanks for the reply Frank, but sadly the above makes no > difference at all - I still get a beep, not a pound sign :( >From within which program? It is quite possible that is the program you are using which refuses to accept characters outside standard ASCII. You probably have to set the LC_CTYPE or LC_ALL environment variable to something suitable to make programs accept such characters. (I know it makes a difference for some shells at least.) Using the correct *.fnt or *.kbd files just tell the system which key should generate a character and what it should look like if displayed, not which characters are to be considered printable or not. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:06:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA240106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557168FC13 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcMADNTI0rUnw4R/2dsb2JhbACBSYkRhEK7KQiEBAU Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 12:06:22 +0100 Received: from [81.174.174.115] (helo=main) by pih-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1MB5LQ-0005yV-7r; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:06:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Graham Bentley" To: "Erik Trulsson" References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20090601105310.GA13688@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:04:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Plusnet-Relay: 9f369bd8b88ca8048a4985136a6c7bc6 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:06:24 -0000 > From within which program? No program, just the standard shell CLI installed by doing a minimal install. > You probably have to set the LC_CTYPE or LC_ALL > environment variable to something suitable to make programs > accept such characters. How to do this? Also, I dont understand why? In 7.1 I do a minimal install and it just works how its always done in previous versions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:12:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65BC1065673 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D38FC2D for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51BChJS030559; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51BCgeO030556; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: RJ45 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem on a MX sendmail machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:12:52 -0000 assuming you don't run out of swap, it looks like kernel bug or disk I/O problems. On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, RJ45 wrote: > > hello I have a FreeBSD machine > > FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD > > being a MX record with high loads. > I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. > any hints ? > thank you > > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 469743, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 468639, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 500495, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 487647, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 478575, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 510111, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 490815, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 522943, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 513311, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 519727, size: 61440 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:14:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED2610656C5 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913468FC1D for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51BEn8X030572; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:14:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51BEmLI030569; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:14:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:14:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Eric Le Goff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gnat gpl 2009 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:15:01 -0000 > > Will the port lang/gnat reflect this update ? > > Should I stick to gnat gpl 2006 which is the latest I found in my ports tree ? > or go for any of the lang/gnat-gcc* ports ? the best solution is to write a port for v2009 (use v2006 port as base), use what is better for you, and do sent-pr to port maintainers so that port will be included :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 03:52:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04727106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 03:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mroshi11@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74C08FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 03:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mroshi11@hotmail.com) Received: from SNT111-DS10 ([65.55.90.73]) by snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 31 May 2009 20:40:52 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [99.56.229.53] X-Originating-Email: [mroshi11@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Mike's Hotmail Account" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2009 03:40:52.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[C36819C0:01C9E26A] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:16:59 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: hello X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:52:55 -0000 I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am = running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. = I would try to configure the xorg file but I have no idea what my screen = specs are. I know these questions are dumb but im kind of new to bsd. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:03:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C921065688 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinbadie@yahoo.com) Received: from n1b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (n1b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79FAF8FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinbadie@yahoo.com) Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 09:03:10 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.178] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 09:03:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp119.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 09:03:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 869038.9709.bm@omp119.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19098 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2009 09:03:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243846990; bh=co7r+TfWmECQf6+Kn3GiacIug9ouoJDSNS3tZBj7OA4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VPcWxI1YIfO0AJqD0xedGqOxVZ6J1Hi0uieAVpTOPe4ie5HB5f9Z892/WCvx2BKC9b+tCBxNtD0pX4dZb/k+CbiqrzkNBSO/m0gadHDCqMfxm0WyiIPnVjykUUye+8i3LTCYlErzrL5djm2FZRuQMebsLDBBxgz1yOUjjxvSr+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fT+V4m1w51wbU6V5iOfFhugXmj943++GV2/UkiS+OanYpumIAGILP7+OQkgL6R0B6Ds+t1Cz5qqTFnz7AOo6adswXBWJqWkCX2o/2QT8ZwmqFxqlQ1IJ6xwdu1e3/KOR8b9rF1C3JdDmBljEJEykDLd7DEy0LrnMvfVENvrOX1c=; Message-ID: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XJWPLKAVM1lYG7eJZqwTltM8Tu5OOdXKcSjwbxccOMcKMtyY4H7I9gnxrqSK6kpSI96BO0IO1kesIMkro.UrNFEB_E.E3ikZRbOcyd.5vLOpTkjKmTYbrADjIb1SexFF7GRMY233hwdfxdZgwXsyt7WDBsS5HcP8VZRXPvCJ4OP0rZOdZ8q8rxchgwYnce0D11zMMA1w_6vnJsT3.Ks2KjRqwjqx9zO6QjIjyzL_4iJIPNggp8ke Received: from [213.194.109.2] by web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:03:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Badie To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:26:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: a binary package update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:03:12 -0000 Hi, How can I update a pre-compiled package for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package to 2.0 without internet connection. I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 installed on my system. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:26:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858FF10656BC for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6FA8FC31 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51BQiAm030661; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51BQiiW030658; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Mike's Hotmail Account" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hello X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:26:52 -0000 > I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. X -configure and look if it works fine (no crash etc). It will generate xorg.conf file in current directory. move it to /etc/X11 and try to edit something Xorg tries to autoconfigure things but it may not always work From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:36:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF93106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FF98FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so3593853gxk.19 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cvtFdqUg2DmPbV6MiOrxjpbwgTanZJBFQEAC1YCTLJs=; b=W+cYnprMvjFuIfQEi7YZOPwcMe/se9q1HhmW2e9AYlZcn0jJkALxfhJvR661p5OEEl 25RHMkEWDl1RTE06owg4vCMxRFm3x0Dnvo5xGpUx5YD2jJZhva4xQLdNd0xK3FhsAPjt F4z3kUCvkMJQNdqg+Vl4sLjGjR9ueGU3AjTvs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fAw9kieDY4LpQnEyUUkh/deJ+2IoQCNz3uCFwlkh3qQeMZ+yLoJRg7DR5yoglWqskM 440mk77441qEus59p5NYxEKsb3OqLrfo1H4rtzW/nczsJIUk0v3a0EZWcALL+nS3HF7S 7q/vIHi07A/MFkaWHp7WoVvPWuboXvWY22b5c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.98.17 with SMTP id a17mr11409586ybm.342.1243856215058; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:36:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:36:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Mike's Hotmail Account , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hello X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:36:56 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u =A0gateway laptop but am >> running into trouble. whe =A0I try to start x all I get is a black scree= n. > > X -configure > > and look if it works fine (no crash etc). > > It will generate =A0xorg.conf file in current directory. move it to /etc/= X11 > and try to edit something > > Xorg tries to autoconfigure things but it may not always work if auto-config fails, check out the xrandr pkg/port to get some screen spec= s. Have you looked at the output of 'dmesg' (or /var/run/dmesg.boot)? It will give you detailed hardware info. Also, I suggest posting that info on this list as well. Perhaps someone has the same hardware as you and can suggest something specific to it. -Neal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 11:46:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72098106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:46:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C848FC1E for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (ppp-94-69-75-141.home.otenet.gr [94.69.75.141]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n51BkhXm002732; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:46:43 +0300 Message-ID: <4A23BFA3.7030407@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:46:43 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike's Hotmail Account" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: X configuration (was: Re: hello) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:46:46 -0000 Mike's Hotmail Account wrote: > I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. I would try to configure the xorg file but I have no idea what my screen specs are. I know these questions are dumb but im kind of new to bsd. > Please read the relevant Handbook section, 5.4.2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html To start a desktop like Gnome or KDE you will have to install the relevant packages and create an .xinitrc file. Please see section 5.7: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x11-wm.html and also the FreeBSD web pages. For example, for Gnome see here: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 12:28:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389C910656CF for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E836F8FC19 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A27319235; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:28:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:28:12 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: =?utf-8?Q?Ond=C5=99ej?= Majerech Message-ID: <20090601132812.12d93819@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: References: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how to i designate the current function...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:28:19 -0000 On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:53:39 +0200 Ond=C5=99ej Majerech wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:31:40 +0200, Gary Kline > wrote: >=20 > > I'm not sure this is std yet, but think it is available in > > gcc. If I'm calling funtion bar(char *, char) with one of the args > > incorrect, is there a way to have gcc name bar() in an > > error message? > > >=20 > Are you looking for the __FUNCTION__ macro? >=20 > void baz( char yes_no ) { > if ( yes_no =3D=3D 'Y' || yes_no =3D=3D 'N' ) { > // Do stuff... > } else { > printf( "%s: %s\n", __FUNCTION__, "I got an invalid arg" ); > } > } >=20 > AFAIK, this isn't standard C, but well supported on GCC. __FUNCTION__ is commonly supported, but has never been standardised; C99 defines __func__ instead. See http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Function-Names.html for details. --=20 Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 13:39:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7081065673 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:39:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkpenguin@yandex.ru) Received: from forwards4.yandex.ru (forwards4.yandex.ru [77.88.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F18FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darkpenguin@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp14.yandex.ru (smtp14.yandex.ru [77.88.32.84]) by forwards4.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 28AE24C5FDB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:17:23 +0400 (MSD) Received: from ppp-79-111-184-75.dynamic.netbynet.ru ([79.111.184.75]:8147 "EHLO [192.168.1.227]" smtp-auth: "darkpenguin" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S393316AbZFANRT (ORCPT ); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:17:19 +0400 X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1243862239 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14 X-BornDate: 1161896400 X-Yandex-Karma: 0 X-Yandex-KarmaStatus: 0 X-MsgDayCount: 2 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp14.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: darkpenguin From: "Valery A. Carpenter" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> References: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Organization: Lamers Company, Inc. Message-Id: <1237342436.9232.12.camel@eddie.socket.lc> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Strange text from kernel then detaching USB drive: "sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: darkpenguin@yandex.ru List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:39:52 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:13:56 +0300 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:39:52 -0000 On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 13:13 +0400, Àëåêñàíäğ Äåğåâÿíêî wrote: > Hello all ! > > I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB > external HD (used only for backups): > > > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > ufs/Backup5. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > msdosfs/ . > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) > :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: > ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached > > > I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected" and "umass0: detached". > What does it mean? > > Best Regards, > Alexander Derevyanko. It looks like two messages goung out at the same time, if you combine the letters like this: (da0:u_m_a_s_s_-_s_i_m_0_:_0_:_a_b_e_l_ _:_ _l_o_s_t_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_o :_ _l_o_s_t_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_o _(_d_a_0_ um_a_s_s_-_s_i_m__0_:_0_:_0_:_0_)_: r_e_m_o_v_i_n_g_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_ _e_n_t_r_y (da0:_G_E_O_M___L_A_B_E_L_:_ _L_0_:_0_) _m_s_d_o_s_f_s_/_ _ _r_e_m_ v_e_d_._: __G_E_O_M___L_A_B_E_L_:_ _L_a_b_e_l: _u_f_s_/_B_a_c_k_u_p_5_ _r_e_m_o_v_e_d_. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 14:08:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC091065673 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:08:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CFE8FC18 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:08:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77B82E363; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:52:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:52:10 +0200 From: cpghost To: ????????? ????????? Message-ID: <20090601135210.GA5720@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange text from kernel then detaching USB drive: "sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:08:11 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 01:13:38PM +0400, ????????? ????????? wrote: > Hello all ! > > I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB > external HD (used only for backups): > > > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > ufs/Backup5. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > msdosfs/ . > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) > :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: > ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached > > > I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected" and "umass0: detached". It's a known problem on SMP systems. Citing from: http://wiki.freebsd.org/BugBusting/Commonly_reported_issues Scrambled or garbled kernel output, such as: SdMaP0:: AP1 6C0P.U0 0#0M1B /Lsa utnrcahnesdf!e da0: Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: Waiting (max 60 Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: seScyonncdisn)g fdoirs kssy,s tvenmo dperso creesmsa i`nsiynngc.e.r.' to3 stop...0 0 done Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: All buffers synced. <... snip ...> Workaround (partial): Use options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=256 in your kernel configuration. This will decrease the amount of interspersed output, but does not solve issue entirely > What does it mean? > > Best Regards, > Alexander Derevyanko. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 14:41:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD110656D2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A374F8FC14 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n51EfhZr094362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:41:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51EfgJW079542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:41:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n51EffmR079478; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:41:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:41:41 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Morgan =?utf-8?B?V2Vzc3Ryw7Zt?= Message-ID: <20090601144141.GD90077@dan.emsphone.com> References: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:41:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: vmstat questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:41:52 -0000 In the last episode (Jun 01), Morgan Wesström said: > Hi. This is my "vmstat -i" from my newly installed 7.2-RELEASE-amd64: > > # vmstat -i > interrupt total rate > irq4: sio0 1105 0 > irq17: em1 uhci1+ 10921807 182 > irq19: uhci3++ 8196905 136 > cpu0: timer 117164643 1956 > irq256: em0 7346687 122 > irq257: re0 166625 2 > cpu1: timer 117164471 1956 > Total 260962243 4358 > > For a long time I've tried to find out what the + and ++ means. Can > anyone shed some light on that? > > Also, where did my atapcis on irq19 go? I'm pretty sure I had them > listed there in 7.0-RELEASE. There is a very small buffer in the kernel for recording which devices are assigned to which IRQs in a human-readable format (MAXCOMLEN: 19 characters per IRQ, including the "irqNNN:" text). Code in /sys/kern/kern_intr.c:intr_event_update() truncates the list and adds a + for each omitted device name. http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/kern/kern_intr.c#L194 I'm not even sure why MAXCOMLEN is being used at this point; it's not storing a command name. http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/sys/interrupt.h#L104 I don't know what the repercussions would be if you increased MAXCOMLEN to 40, but you can try bumping it and see what breaks :) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 14:43:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5B21065707 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:43:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81EA8FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77FD2E363; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:43:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 16:43:41 +0200 From: cpghost To: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" Message-ID: <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:43:44 -0000 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Team, > > We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close > connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful > Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or are great > contributions to the OS world as such. Therefore we have also picked > your project as a possible recipient of sponsorship. Kian, every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. The donation page is here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ > Kian Gould > > AOE media GmbH > Borsigstr. 3 > 65205 Wiesbaden > Germany Tel. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -111 > Fax. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -199 > Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09 > > e-Mail: kian.gould@aoemedia.de > Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/ Kind regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 14:49:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768AE106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:49:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f165.google.com (mail-gx0-f165.google.com [209.85.217.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E4C8FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:49:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so36416gxk.19 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:49:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uawry5KzRxMJo0LaXoEJurAMBuVbTkstR0NpBXWKBVg=; b=rXzBg9h7OvuE8XsGwppSoKdG8CMS80dq7/gtq+dt4IlE+8DxjqMQewyogp0Jo8v/yF FyKRUbVPZCHWfYkrkYyPoOQ08WwXaVw47R+cUEPb9jAFCGKcqCswu8blVfuTf3H6mY4U igHTP19GUXFguRyyf6lKjtYGR83KpeO+ljNis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=resxJ63JakwuKPZTQDYixm1EPTrZs8F1r4+znJKSBNRRDJdmzmmlFJZP58Np8vlloJ giwEbyj7uCFh9HZgZ9QrERS2+3umJR+QjHEr9rqfw0MM8q01A9w7VTuEy6T+YsKdToN3 s+6oLiLzRxYh0u7zMjk4Q7zbzwUDSQBxUr4Gs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.68.2 with SMTP id v2mr11948959ybk.8.1243866526423; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:28:46 +0800 Message-ID: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> From: PstreeM China To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: what about BadAtom Error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:49:56 -0000 hi all: yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade -arR ... then , my program rox is error .. Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. how can i Fix it ??? thanks All !! use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: ############### (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. (Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) ##################### From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 15:48:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57EC106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F748FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51FmTUh031643; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51FmTbU031640; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:48:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH" , "questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:48:52 -0000 > every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how > small the amount. They'll display a link for donations > of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 > or more. > finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 15:52:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C4210656D7 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C788FC14 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@ivangelion.tw) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so11081877qyk.3 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:52:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.96.73 with SMTP id g9mr1725229qcn.45.1243871551139; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chun-fan Ivan Liao Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:52:11 +0800 Message-ID: <173f52ec0906010852p5b7d2a91k59f27860f63ca295@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, apcupsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Still 2 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:52:34 -0000 The time of the first post of the original topic "4 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE" was some 20 days ago, and there are still 2 problems remained. So I copy the unsolved problems here, plus the thing I did. Any help will be greatly appreciated. ========= OS version: FreeBSD 7.2 RELEASE apcupsd version: 3.14.5 UPS model: APC-MGE Back-UPS RS 1000VA (BR1000TW) UPS cable type: usb 3 important lines in /usr/local/etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf: --------- UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb DEVICE ((using "DEVICE ugen0" yields the same problem)) --------- Other lines are default. Problem Description: 1. The APC box cannot be detected when connected to the FreeBSD system on system boot. (apcupsd_enable="YES" is set in /etc/rc.conf ) The associated messages in /var/log/messages: --------- May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in bsd-usb.c at line 735 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed USB trouble shooting information, please see . May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd error shutdown completed --------- 2. Continuing 1, if I unplug the connecting USB then re-plug it to the same port, the USB cannot be identified. The associated message in /var/log/messages: --------- May 10 16:36:17 aura-cosmetics kernel: uhub0: device problem (TIMEOUT), disabling port 3 --------- I have applied Tetcu's suggestion, disabling all USB-related configurations in my kernel, and put the following 3 lines in /boot/loader.conf, but the problems still exist: usb_load="YES" ugen_load="YES" umass_load="YES" Here is my /var/run/dmesg.boot: http://www.ivangelion.tw/~cfliao/dmesg.boot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 17:01:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5428B1065686 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:01:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112398FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CE23D658; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n51H1dWS001808; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:01:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Martin Badie Message-Id: <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart=_Mon__1_Jun_2009_19_01_39_+0200_wimKuwW8xV+cHYyq" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a binary package update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:01:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart=_Mon__1_Jun_2009_19_01_39_+0200_wimKuwW8xV+cHYyq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > How can I update a pre-compiled package [...] You cannot update a pre-compiled package, you can only overwrite or replace the package (tbz file). However, you can update an installed port or package; in most cases, it doesn't even matter if you installed from a port or from a package. > [...] for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded > package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package > to 2.0 without internet connection. Is is relatively easy, but you need to make sure first that you have all the dependencies for package-2.0, for example libdep-1.3, depend-3.2.1 and libfoo-0.22.7. You first need to fetch them. Now a question: The system that has internet access: Do you want to install the new packages there, too? > I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 > installed on my system. If you answered the question with "yes", then portupgrade can do it for you. Simply update package-1.0 to package-2.0 and let portupgrade create packages (-p). You can then transfer those packages to the other system which can't fetch them by itself. But if you answered "no", the task would be as follows: Get the newest version of a package along with all those packages this new version depends on. In order to do so, you may use the simple (and ugly) shell script I attached. It uses pkg_add to fetch those packages, but it does NOT install anything. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... --Multipart=_Mon__1_Jun_2009_19_01_39_+0200_wimKuwW8xV+cHYyq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 17:47:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F811065674 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff@m2.seamanpaper.com) Received: from exprod5og105.obsmtp.com (exprod5og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C54F8FC22 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff@m2.seamanpaper.com) Received: from source ([67.158.116.43]) by exprod5ob105.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSiQUONDHZT0tGo8DjXKNWnMlmRAafv6c@postini.com; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:47:36 PDT Received: (qmail 57914 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 13:20:54 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO junco.intranet.seamanpaper.com) (192.168.10.133) by buster.seamanpaper.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 13:20:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 52174 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2009 17:20:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.88?) (192.168.10.88) by 192.168.10.133 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 17:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4A240DDB.5010308@m2.seamanpaper.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:20:27 -0400 From: Jeff Dickens User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> In-Reply-To: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060505060204090901030801" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jeff@seamanpaper.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:47:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060505060204090901030801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another option: Qmail and Dovecot. Actually I have multiple servers running those at multiple sites. For webmail, I have use squirrelmail and perdition, which is an imap proxy/multiplexer. It makes the multiple dovecot systems look like one to the webmail system. You could replace squirrelmail with any other imap-based webmail. For anti-spam and anti-virus I use Postini. A dollar a month per user. I send no mail except via Postini, and I accept no mail except from Postini, enforced by both qmail's tcprules and our cisco firewalls. The combination is fast, safe and low-maintenance (but perhaps not your definition of cheap). I've built this thing but only have a small contingent of users on it so far.. the rest are still on a external host. Last week I set up mstone, (see sourceforge project) and have been loading it up to see where it creaks. So far so good. John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ] wrote: > > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > I will appreciate > > Thanks all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Dakos > Network Administrator > Enovation Technologies > Filellinon 35, Chalandrion > 15232 Athens, GREECE > Tel: +30-210 811 9673 > Mob: +30-6979348082 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________________ Scanned by Google Message Security - Leaving Seaman Paper --------------060505060204090901030801-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:06:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838BD106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4998FC1A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E648D5E2FC for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:06:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.282 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.282 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hYK4lDXafHOv for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:06:30 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BF25E2FB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:06:30 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:06:37 -0000 I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its dependencies but it still fails. I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! Any hints appreciated Thanks ----------------- snip -------------------------- 0090531/gcc -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/build -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../include -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libcpp/include -I/usr/local/include -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libdecnumber -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber -I/usr/local/include -o build/gencheck.o .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c In file included from ./tm.h:7, from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/gcc' gmake[2]: *** [all-stage1-gcc] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' gmake[1]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' gmake: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:12:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FE8106566C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E857F8FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 21167 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2009 18:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 18:12:41 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 267E72841F; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:12:41 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Leslie Jensen Message-ID: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:12:43 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its > dependencies but it still fails. > > I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. > > The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. > > Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! > > Any hints appreciated Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: WITHOUT_JAVA=1 Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:21:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D3E106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29548FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556975E304 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:21:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.666, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wTfdVfn5dE8i for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:21:48 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6FD5E010 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:21:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:21:48 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:21:55 -0000 David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. >> >> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. >> >> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >> >> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >> >> Any hints appreciated > > Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > > WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > > Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in > the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. > It does not work here :-( / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:31:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692DD1065672 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9618FC1A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690AE5E1F0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:31:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.661, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 1fkiU91Nu0tq for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:31:05 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EE95E15E for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:31:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:31:05 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:31:13 -0000 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > David Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all >>> its dependencies but it still fails. >>> >>> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean >>> install. >>> >>> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >>> >>> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >>> >>> Any hints appreciated >> >> Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: >> >> WITHOUT_JAVA=1 >> >> Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in >> the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. >> > > It does not work here :-( > / I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. kern.maxdsiz="734003200" / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:51:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02383106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:51:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-139.bluehost.com [67.222.39.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1D798FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:51:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30088 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2009 18:51:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 18:51:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LAYJrJa5nGfADCoQKn7BjnOaA5pZCKlgOGo57IVRB8XPhNtyT77V3SWIs1zGkXUG6etZLLhqJ9b3bOf66DLqYIPrcI+e8GMVurbuoVjvm/beLd4u1scBHsWrxFlZAD/v; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBCbQ-0004rx-6r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:51:20 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:46:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:46:11 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:51:21 -0000 --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > so you like to moderate me, being against moderation I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Niven: "That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they really hate is lousy programmers." --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkokIfMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVGGwCePiV1xMoxJOLc1XcVjmustYof CjYAoN7Bqqglq+IM4NrMCpHvCDxgrfNe =fs3B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:51:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53EC1065672 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C5E8FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 18889 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2009 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 18:51:23 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 917B22841F; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:51:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:51:23 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Leslie Jensen Message-ID: <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:51:26 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its > dependencies but it still fails. Including perl? What version of perl do you have installed? I know it builds with 5.8.9. > In file included from ./tm.h:7, > from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: > ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' > ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here > ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' > ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here > gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 > gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... > rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod See above? Its deleting .pod files which I believe are perl. Perl *documentation* but still somehow related to perl. There was something else the past month or two where I believe a dependency for KDE could not build because it was finding its own older version include files. That port had to be pkg_deinstall -f'ed before it would build and install the new version. Then "pkgdb -fu" may or may not have been required to force an update of the ports database. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 18:56:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9031065783 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from don_read@att.net) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 905CA8FC13 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from don_read@att.net) Received: (qmail 20190 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 18:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (don_read@74.235.245.154 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 18:56:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:56:50 -0400 From: Don Read To: John Nielsen Message-ID: <20090601145650.5cef1601@att.net> In-Reply-To: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-geom@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on USB drive for a MacBook Pro X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:56:54 -0000 On Sat, 30 May 2009 21:36:49 -0400 John Nielsen said: > I'm looking for advice and/or pointers. I have an Intel-based MacBook Pro > and I would like to use a USB thumb drive to be able to boot FreeBSD on > it. This should get you started: http://groups.google.com/group/lucky.freebsd.questions/msg/5c759b1c87376b22?pli=1 Regards, -- Don Read don_read@att.net It's always darkest before the dawn. So if you are going to steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 19:20:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470311065672 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25F8FC23 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so4096619ywe.13 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=geW+vE80GNQoRPMFiSuPvmoLEVzUbV1vMDl+Lf7mbXI=; b=axulNOE+/nq2qbJudutJ+qTG4/ZC0bxGLyiRqhSUcV/oPfLknR5my4xk3HjQ6D8yCh iCUZ8vgNqDhnUIP0h0b8SXGZs4ImAiI5mGynVq/YzzDaoxK0MHQ+4stAH985wFoB5bBN R2TJ67CJC4aegvPV53RhxLp+2LIqnY65ZkFnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=p+B0C5vX/RZV5sHJ8qEm2RGb1ADaddJQj6sDAENry0ZXDcnyI+YjtFc9GEXo9k87FC V4oVKAyL/mHW+WuGtFI9iXp2g7tCsH0If5Pq0nXgu9fJ/uEBGEPXYzSmXrAzzXLhvdNS qUREiEPqrabfJhUV0tUy6dZ1hIyMZO6ALA94s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.75 with SMTP id o11mr1664959ibd.6.1243884057090; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:20:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:20:37 -0600 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:20:58 -0000 On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > > > 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn > > > >> On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >> > > >> > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >> > >> > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: >> > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >> >> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever >> possible. >> b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. >> c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - >> you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that >> specific >> database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my >> own. >> > > > Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change > or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I > have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. > > > Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work > too, but I don't know exim or qmail. > > Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but > there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that > are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. > Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that > have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the > client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. > > > I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very > well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If > spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish > off the job. > > > I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's > interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. > > > I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the > success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the > missing link. > > > --Tim > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 19:22:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD51B10656B3 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from datahead4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f211.google.com (mail-gx0-f211.google.com [209.85.217.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECBC8FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from datahead4@gmail.com) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so264476gxk.19 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YNsFbjJ++Qr8CNnZWRQWkAqpKOgiGKOVxLhC86JAs5Y=; b=l2iF6NiL7IyfCLjTyzxu+CAa0UHMD5BGyr+h6TCU4QIRTWa80tioGs8HcX1f7SKe8m VhjlCYnL2fWkeUblkq6wxrtntl4p5iszY0tbuzWqqWfBssOerLSqYMu6o7/9iTDrczFG O7qYZFo0olQSHp0/+zsHN9NIv4aDatdHjQI/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Va7bKVqeblXc5kQAJVWW5tK7vv4WzllVputBXfIvRrwPEGEx+Bxdgz79GvrGsWi+kT Nodi90+Ks+Ge8+cYUwzleybuSguBBrWp8fkoMmR3CXkd2q6ER5KkxH7TX6umIl/g9ebW Aswn60pvKtKyLZM/y53NcZyT8YUsQG0NMXYvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.33.15 with SMTP id g15mr5530549agg.9.1243882431568; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:53:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:53:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matt To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:22:30 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. >> >> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. >> >> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >> >> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >> >> Any hints appreciated > > Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > > WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > > Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in > the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. I've noticed that the lang/gcc43 port's Makefile includes a builtin call (ulimit -d) that is not available in the csh shell (but is available in sh and bash). If csh is the shell in use when the port is built, the port build will fail unless you define WITHOUT_JAVA as previously stated. However, this issue results in a different error condition than the one stated by the original poster. Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 19:23:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F361065753 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C2C8FC20 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so4010217yxb.13 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:23:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=7w6v4HiXv0kgEUykuyN/OJCbpip26AfG7MMlfrZcnIM=; b=xcuJilTRdx08qL6Hetw2pJs4OHg0uYXYYIxvygC457GP+wxfUoFvXEWvYBOLe9B/RD +HKU4dGlOkAoZ9JbTogQuIDBskSghlKjFWxPQxc2G1Dtb45rhJiWfwjWdfvrJh+AfbNE i9Xc/NopWGUjC3Vuc/+UuZ7Sr27lq51cpM+sA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=w4pyxZxfAp0V0oFEoBapWGJiCWPUbgbTxQmghkk/Klo4YFlssCcaSM1vNzp5lEu/rj H6ujYMJE8Y8d4rORgtIr75SzLV6MPi2e90YV8YGpE4zKcym+QKULWdxMTNyZy/BkZLCd xzr11zYoLlW71F/6BHKbGNhEyXe8jMs4OQzmE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.13 with SMTP id n13mr1593041ibd.24.1243884206167; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:23:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:23:06 -0600 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:23:28 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > >> >> >> 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn >> > >> >>> On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >>> > > >>> > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >>> > >>> > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: >>> > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >>> >>> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >>> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever >>> possible. >>> b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. >>> c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - >>> you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that >>> specific >>> database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my >>> own. >>> >> >> >> Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change >> or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I >> have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. >> >> >> Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work >> too, but I don't know exim or qmail. >> >> Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, >> but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets >> that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. >> Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers >> that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report >> to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. >> >> >> I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work >> very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. >> If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish >> off the job. >> >> >> I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's >> interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. >> >> >> I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the >> success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the >> missing link. >> >> >> --Tim >> > > > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of > mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter > yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, > and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution > > erm.... dspam, not spamd. :) firewall w/ spamd MTA with DNSBL dspam invoked by MTA :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 19:32:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509EE106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CDE8FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259B25E2E2 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:32:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.945 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.945 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.655, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iwpjwZv6JSqU for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:32:38 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D501E5E28B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:32:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A242CD6.9030804@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:32:38 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> In-Reply-To: <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:32:45 -0000 David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. > > Including perl? What version of perl do you have installed? I know it > builds with 5.8.9. I have perl-5.8.9_2 installed And I just de and reinstalled it. / > >> In file included from ./tm.h:7, >> from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: >> ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' >> ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here >> ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' >> ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here >> gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 >> gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... >> rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod > > See above? Its deleting .pod files which I believe are perl. Perl > *documentation* but still somehow related to perl. > > There was something else the past month or two where I believe a > dependency for KDE could not build because it was finding its own older > version include files. That port had to be pkg_deinstall -f'ed before it > would build and install the new version. Then "pkgdb -fu" may or may not > have been required to force an update of the ports database. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 20:07:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D829F106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75B58FC30 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51K7329033041; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:07:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51K72YD033038; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:07:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:07:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:07:14 -0000 > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 20:21:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BBC106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ACB8FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so4027661yxb.13 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:21:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=1afY0q/CGCnrhB1jUKGbjOefuzKn64A2u9vxY57xrPM=; b=lRwyXLJf3BQydRydxHCEqh8Z3eyWCLWGPLR8JjUBBw8Xq07BHsbuu5kDbl8lRXow0x 3BbQt2Xu4HA6xPcCNXgo5tXsSEEV8JtgW6xY/qRRkWTjagXde7Gc7pmX0mJ4zkSUoArf DrA/NwOgXw0S5dML4wQW18qNtJ6SnLJtH51XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=pwRpdhGW+29s6Bzm0H66vicu6e2DdLbxfc2zEmJdik9xfEADPRRrokT4IpISASiGCi 2R1mF/bu9F8jVmMI2mnxea/YFOajNeVvoBI3MDsFqLXN9uiCeeUzIdnC/WQQ/cye+WBP 7FwJvqWk+8WACreyuJpcNuJ8yjwBEKuMiNMyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.130 with SMTP id g2mr673677ibe.9.1243887708088; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:21:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:21:28 -0600 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:21:49 -0000 On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume >> of >> > > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my > servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > You don't follow context very well. with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam. and that's a guestimate. My point is that this is 5% coming through without using an anti-spam product. I was trying to get a feel for the software combination I spoke about, how effective it was without anti-spam. And then I said that the last 5% can be cleaned up by using anti-spam software. I won't elaborate to you any more. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 20:34:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09477106566C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC988FC23 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MBEDK-0001e4-HB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:34:34 -0700 Message-ID: <23821628.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: tangled To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: tangled.messs@gmail.com References: Subject: Re: archivers/file-roller X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:34:36 -0000 I had the same problem. To resolve this I edited the file: fr-enum-types.c Change the following line: #include "/home/paolo/workspace/file-roller/src/typedefs.h" To this: #include "typedefs.h" Tim Judd-3 wrote: > > fr-enum-types.c:7:60: error: > /home/paolo/workspace/file-roller/src/typedefs.h: No such file or > directory > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/archivers-file-roller-tp23680360p23821628.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 20:49:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A201065676 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349138FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51KniQA033315; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:49:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51KnXBa033286; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:49:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:49:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-550380208-1243889384=:33223" Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:49:54 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-550380208-1243889384=:33223 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > of > > > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. > spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > > > > You don't follow context very well. Seems so - sorry. as for input it's rather 5% being not a spam. > with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam.  and > that's a guestimate. > Just checked - i received 350 spams today (since 0:00) and got 4 uncatched by spamassassin. so like 1-1.5% --1626729238-550380208-1243889384=:33223-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 21:07:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00F21065672 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from fallback.mail.keme.net (fallback.mail.keme.net [62.121.20.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB38FC14 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from [62.121.20.90] (helo=relay.timico.net) by fallback.mail.keme.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBCer-0005Db-SY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:54:54 +0100 Received: from atsuko.keme.net ([62.121.1.23]) by relay.timico.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBCeq-0000LO-Hn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:54:52 +0100 Received: by atsuko.keme.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2D2D74AC0D; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:54:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:54:20 +0100 From: Chris Nicholls To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:07:58 -0000 Hello List I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives etc for any hints to the reason why. Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU intensive operations where things seem to lag. I've been using kernel builds as a rough benchmark where an older P3 dual 2.4ghz IBM x330 compiles in about 15min under moderate load. I've attached the dmesg with a boot -v from the box in question, any comments would be a great help, also if this is not the best place to post such questions please let me know so i can better direct it. Regards FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0e67000. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc0e67160. Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193158 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 2793915192 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz (2793.92-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x4400 Instruction TLB: 4 KB, 2 MB or 4 MB pages, fully associative, 128 entries Data TLB: 4 KB or 4 MB pages, fully associative, 64 entries 1st-level data cache: 8 KB, 4-way set associative, sectored cache, 64 byte line size Trace cache: 12K-uops, 8-way set associative 2nd-level cache: 512 KB, 8-way set associative, sectored cache, 64 byte line size real memory = 2147332096 (2047 MB) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x0000000000001000 - 0x000000000009afff, 630784 bytes (154 pages) 0x0000000000100000 - 0x00000000003fffff, 3145728 bytes (768 pages) 0x0000000001025000 - 0x000000007db85fff, 2092306432 bytes (510817 pages) avail memory = 2091646976 (1994 MB) Table 'FACP' at 0x7ffdff00 Table 'APIC' at 0x7ffdfe80 MADT: Found table at 0x7ffdfe80 MP Configuration Table version 1.4 found at 0xc009cea0 APIC: Using the MADT enumerator. MADT: Found CPU APIC ID 0 ACPI ID 0: enabled SMP: Added CPU 0 (AP) MADT: Found CPU APIC ID 6 ACPI ID 1: enabled SMP: Added CPU 6 (AP) ACPI APIC Table: INTR: Adding local APIC 6 as a target FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 6 bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00fd790 bios32: Entry = 0xfd7a1 (c00fd7a1) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xf0000+0xd7dc pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fdf90 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:444c Rev = 1.0 Other BIOS signatures found: APIC: CPU 0 has ACPI ID 0 APIC: CPU 1 has ACPI ID 1 ULE: setup cpu group 0 ULE: setup cpu 0 ULE: adding cpu 0 to group 0: cpus 1 mask 0x1 ULE: setup cpu group 1 ULE: setup cpu 1 ULE: adding cpu 1 to group 1: cpus 1 mask 0x2 ACPI: RSDP @ 0x0xfdfc0/0x0014 (v 0 IBM ) ACPI: RSDT @ 0x0x7ffdff80/0x0030 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: FACP @ 0x0x7ffdff00/0x0074 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: DSDT @ 0x0x7ffdb300/0x4A26 (v 1 IBM SERGEODE 0x00001000 MSFT 0x0100000B) ACPI: FACS @ 0x0x7ffdfe40/0x0040 ACPI: APIC @ 0x0x7ffdfe80/0x0076 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: ASF! @ 0x0x7ffdfdc0/0x004B (v 16 IBM SERONYXP 0x00000001 IBM 0x45444F43) MADT: Found IO APIC ID 14, Interrupt 0 at 0xfec00000 ioapic0: Routing external 8259A's -> intpin 0 MADT: Found IO APIC ID 13, Interrupt 16 at 0xfec01000 MADT: Found IO APIC ID 12, Interrupt 32 at 0xfec02000 MADT: Interrupt override: source 0, irq 2 ioapic0: Routing IRQ 0 -> intpin 2 lapic0: Routing NMI -> LINT1 lapic0: LINT1 trigger: edge lapic0: LINT1 polarity: high MADT: Ignoring local NMI routed to ACPI CPU 6 MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI ioapic0: intpin 7 polarity: low ioapic0: intpin 7 trigger: level ioapic2 irqs 32-47 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 16-31 on motherboard ioapic0 irqs 0-15 on motherboard cpu0 BSP: ID: 0x00000000 VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x00000000 DFR: 0xffffffff lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff timer: 0x000100ef therm: 0x00010000 err: 0x00010000 pcm: 0x00010000 wlan_amrr: wlan: <802.11 Link Layer> null: random: nfslock: pseudo-device io: kbd: new array size 4 kbd1 at kbdmux0 mem: Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled hptrr: RocketRAID 17xx/2xxx SATA controller driver v1.2 (May 1 2009 08:47:24) npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: on motherboard ioapic0: routing intpin 7 (ISA IRQ 7) to vector 48 acpi0: [MPSAFE] acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: wakeup code va 0xc50a1000 pa 0x1000 pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80002800 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=80] is there (id=00141166) pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.RCNB -> bus 0 dev 0 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.USB0.CFG2 -> bus 0 dev 15 func 2 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI10.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 16 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI12.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 16 func 2 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI20.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 17 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI22.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 17 func 2 acpi0: reservation of 460, 2 (4) failed ACPI timer: 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/4 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 -> 0 Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x488-0x48b on acpi0 pci_link0: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link1: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link2: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 9 N 0 9 Validation 0 9 N 0 9 After Disable 0 255 N 0 9 pci_link3: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link4: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link5: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link6: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link7: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link8: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link9: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link10: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 10 N 0 10 Validation 0 10 N 0 10 After Disable 0 255 N 0 10 pci_link11: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link12: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link13: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 3 N 0 3 Validation 0 3 N 0 3 After Disable 0 255 N 0 3 pci_link14: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 5 N 0 5 Validation 0 5 N 0 5 After Disable 0 255 N 0 5 pci_link15: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link16: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link17: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link18: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link19: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link20: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link21: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link22: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link23: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link24: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link25: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link26: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link27: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link28: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link29: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link30: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link31: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link32: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 11 N 0 11 Validation 0 11 N 0 11 After Disable 0 255 N 0 11 pcib0: on acpi0 ACPI: Found matching pin for 0.15.INTA at func 2: 11 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: domain=0, physical bus=0 found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x33 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=1 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4752, revid=0x27 domain=0, bus=0, slot=6, func=0 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x0087, statreg=0x0290, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x08 (2000 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=10 powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfd000000, size 24, enabled map[14]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2400, size 8, enabled map[18]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfebff000, size 12, enabled pcib0: matched entry for 0.6.INTA pcib0: slot 6 INTA hardwired to IRQ 26 found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0201, revid=0x93 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x2200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0212, revid=0x93 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=1 class=01-01-82, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0155, statreg=0x0200, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x700, size 4, enabled found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0220, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=2 class=0c-03-10, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0157, statreg=0x0280, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x50 (20000 ns) intpin=a, irq=11 map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfebfe000, size 12, enabled pcib0: matched entry for 0.15.INTA (src \\LPUS:0) ioapic0: Changing trigger for pin 11 to level ioapic0: Changing polarity for pin 11 to low pcib0: slot 15 INTA routed to irq 11 via \\LPUS found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0225, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=3 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0144, statreg=0x0200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=16, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=16, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=17, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=17, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) vgapci0: port 0x2400-0x24ff mem 0xfd000000-0xfdffffff,0xfebff000-0xfebfffff irq 26 at device 6.0 on pci0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x700-0x70f at device 15.1 on pci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x10 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x700 ata0: on atapci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x10 type 4 at 0x1f0 atapci0: Reserved 0x1 bytes for rid 0x14 type 4 at 0x3f6 ata0: reset tp1 mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat1=00 ata0: stat0=0x00 err=0x01 lsb=0x14 msb=0xeb ata0: stat1=0x00 err=0x04 lsb=0x00 msb=0x00 ata0: reset tp2 stat0=00 stat1=00 devices=0x4 ioapic0: routing intpin 14 (ISA IRQ 14) to vector 49 ata0: [MPSAFE] ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x18 type 4 at 0x170 atapci0: Reserved 0x1 bytes for rid 0x1c type 4 at 0x376 ata1: reset tp1 mask=00 ostat0=ff ostat1=ff ioapic0: routing intpin 15 (ISA IRQ 15) to vector 50 ata1: [MPSAFE] ata1: [ITHREAD] ohci0: mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfefff irq 11 at device 15.2 on pci0 ohci0: Reserved 0x1000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfebfe000 ohci0: (New OHCI DeviceId=0x02201166) ioapic0: routing intpin 11 (ISA IRQ 11) to vector 51 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: <(0x1166) OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb0 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isab0: at device 15.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib1: on acpi0 pci2: on pcib1 pci2: domain=0, physical bus=2 pcib2: on acpi0 pci4: on pcib2 pci4: domain=0, physical bus=4 pcib3: on acpi0 pci6: on pcib3 pci6: domain=0, physical bus=6 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1010, revid=0x01 domain=0, bus=6, slot=8, func=0 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0xff (63750 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=3 powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 64, base 0xfbfe0000, size 17, enabled map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2500, size 6, enabled pcib3: matched entry for 6.8.INTA pcib3: slot 8 INTA hardwired to IRQ 29 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1010, revid=0x01 domain=0, bus=6, slot=8, func=1 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0xff (63750 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=b, irq=5 powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 64, base 0xfbfc0000, size 17, enabled map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2540, size 6, enabled pcib3: matched entry for 6.8.INTB pcib3: slot 8 INTB hardwired to IRQ 30 em0: port 0x2500-0x253f mem 0xfbfe0000-0xfbffffff irq 29 at device 8.0 on pci6 em0: Reserved 0x20000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfbfe0000 em0: Reserved 0x40 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x2500 ioapic1: routing intpin 13 (PCI IRQ 29) to vector 52 em0: [FILTER] em0: bpf attached em0: Ethernet address: 00:0d:60:eb:46:a6 em1: port 0x2540-0x257f mem 0xfbfc0000-0xfbfdffff irq 30 at device 8.1 on pci6 em1: Reserved 0x20000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfbfc0000 em1: Reserved 0x40 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x2540 ioapic1: routing intpin 14 (PCI IRQ 30) to vector 53 em1: [FILTER] em1: bpf attached em1: Ethernet address: 00:0d:60:eb:46:a7 pcib4: on acpi0 pci8: on pcib4 pci8: domain=0, physical bus=8 found-> vendor=0x9005, dev=0x0250, revid=0x02 domain=0, bus=8, slot=2, func=0 class=01-04-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x01d6, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x80 (32000 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=9 powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D3 current D0 MSI supports 2 messages, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xf3fff000, size 12, enabled map[18]: type Prefetchable Memory, range 32, base 0xf4000000, size 26, enabled pcib4: matched entry for 8.2.INTA pcib4: slot 2 INTA hardwired to IRQ 18 ips0: mem 0xf3fff000-0xf3ffffff,0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci8 ips0: Reserved 0x1000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xf3fff000 ioapic1: routing intpin 2 (PCI IRQ 18) to vector 54 ips0: [MPSAFE] ips0: [ITHREAD] psmcpnp0: irq 12 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: ic_type 90 part_id 73 ioapic0: routing intpin 6 (ISA IRQ 6) to vector 55 fdc0: [FILTER] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4811 0x4801 0x4801 sio0: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4811 0x4801 0x4801 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A ioapic0: routing intpin 4 (ISA IRQ 4) to vector 56 sio0: [FILTER] cpu0: on acpi0 cpu0: switching to generic Cx mode p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 p4tcc1: on cpu1 unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff ahc_isa_probe 0: ioport 0xc00 alloc failed ex_isa_identify() ata: ata0 already exists; skipping it ata: ata1 already exists; skipping it fdc: fdc0 already exists; skipping it sio: sio0 already exists; skipping it pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 203 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 243 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 283 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 2c3 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 303 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 343 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 383 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 3c3 PNP Identify complete sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it vga: vga0 already exists; skipping it isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc97ff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 adv0: not probed (disabled) aha0: not probed (disabled) aic0: not probed (disabled) atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0065 atkbd: keyboard ID 0xffffffff (1) atkbd: failed to reset the keyboard. kbd0 at atkbd0 kbd0: atkbd0, AT 84 (1), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 ioapic0: routing intpin 1 (ISA IRQ 1) to vector 57 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: current command byte:0065 psm0: failed to reset the aux device. bt0: not probed (disabled) cs0: not probed (disabled) ed0: not probed (disabled) fe0: not probed (disabled) ie0: not probed (disabled) le0: not probed (disabled) ppc0: parallel port not found. ppc0: failed to probe at irq 7 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sc0: fb0, kbd1, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4801 0x4801 0x4801 sio1: probe failed test(s): 0 1 2 4 6 7 9 sio1 failed to probe at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio2: not probed (disabled) sio3: not probed (disabled) sn0: not probed (disabled) vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 vt0: not probed (disabled) isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices ums0: on uhub0 ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. ukbd0: on uhub0 kbd2 at ukbd0 kbd2: ukbd0, generic (0), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 ums1: on uhub0 ums1: 8 buttons and Z dir. Device configuration finished. Reducing kern.maxvnodes 134098 -> 100000 procfs registered lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 66521798 hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2793915192 Hz quality -100 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec lo0: bpf attached hptrr: no controller detected. ata0-master: pio=PIO4 wdma=WDMA2 udma=UDMA33 cable=40 wire acd0: setting PIO4 on CSB5 chip acd0: setting UDMA33 on CSB5 chip acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as master acd0: read 4134KB/s (4134KB/s), 128KB buffer, UDMA33 acd0: Reads: CDR, CDRW, CDDA stream, packet acd0: Writes: acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray, unlocked acd0: Medium: no/blank disc ips0: resetting adapter, this may take up to 5 minutes ips0: adapter type: ServeRAID 6i (sebring) ips0: logical drives: 1 ips0: Logical Drive 0: RAID5 sectors: 213288960, state OK ipsd0: on ips0 ipsd0: Logical Drive (104145MB) ATA PseudoRAID loaded SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! cpu1 AP: ID: 0x06000000 VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x00000000 DFR: 0xffffffff lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff timer: 0x000200ef therm: 0x00010000 err: 0x00010000 pcm: 0x00010000 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 1 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 4 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 6 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 7 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 11 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 14 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 15 to local APIC 0 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 18 to local APIC 6 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 29 to local APIC 0 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 30 to local APIC 6 GEOM: new disk ipsd0 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s1 is ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3d is ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3e is ufsid/4a2194d56580c185. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3f is ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ipsd0s1a start_init: trying /sbin/init GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s1 is ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d56580c185 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3e is ufsid/4a2194d56580c185. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3f is ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3d is ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d56580c185 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e removed. em1: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex em0: Link is up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex ukbd0: at uhub0 port 3 (addr 3) disconnected ukbd0: detached ums1: at uhub0 port 3 (addr 3) disconnected ums1: detached t_delta 15.fefcbbd571062e80 too short -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 21:36:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157E4106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9358FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n51LbMmZ012969 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:36:13 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: is there a program to joinlines? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:36:18 -0000 I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of some kind to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my ascii-to-markup program. I have a trivial program that I use that is essential beforedumping my file into OOo. Is there another way? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 21:37:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60F9106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slogster@gmail.com) Received: from v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de (v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679A68FC1B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slogster@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A470C352F63 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at v4-ul Received: from v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3DOe9kHIm0K for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.26]) by v4.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9A1352F57 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEC05237D; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at v1-ul Received: from v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ym79RZF-Vlip; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.1.1]) by v1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E9952144; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.67.54.3] (a144026.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de [139.18.144.26]) by server1.rz.uni-leipzig.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8699EA76; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:04:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Momchil Ivanov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:00:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> Subject: top view different screens X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:37:05 -0000 Hi, how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? Thanks, Momchil From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 21:48:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBAD106566B for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B578FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51LmjjM033681; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:48:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51Lmjrf033678; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:48:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:48:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a program to joinlines? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:48:54 -0000 > I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of some kind > to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and producing one line of output containing both man paste :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 21:50:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE671065729 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C638FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51Lnx7K033694; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:49:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51Lnx59033691; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:49:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:49:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Nicholls In-Reply-To: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Message-ID: References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:50:10 -0000 > I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > to build a kernel! sorry if it's stupod question but do you have softupdates enabled? > I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > etc for any hints to the reason why. > > Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general > usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU > intensive operations where things seem to lag. caches disabled? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 22:07:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CC210656A4 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 684198FC16 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Jun 2009 22:06:58 -0000 Received: from ipa13.13.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [79.107.13.13] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu001) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2009 00:06:58 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18oABM7SeYoTIgwCD/meNB/erAz8T9KRZckedpJEw Ycl3VN8qqH89oW Message-ID: <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:05:51 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72 Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a program to joinlines? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:07:04 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of >> some kind >> to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my > > you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and > producing one line of output containing both > > man paste > :) I think he means join all lines from a single file, to produce a single-line file. In this case, you should translate the \n character to space: tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd You could also use: echo `tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd` which will add a final \n, to avoid the funny looking output of a text file with no \n at the end. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 22:28:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BCB1065673 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=3960a156f=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45358FC08 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=3960a156f=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,286,1241413200"; d="scan'208";a="12853166" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 17:16:50 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C16904EF43 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 17:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:16:50 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:28:45 -0000 --On Monday, June 01, 2009 13:46:11 -0500 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> so you like to moderate me, being against moderation > > I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. Moderation is available to anyone who wants it. It's called filtering. Yours is the first of these I've seen in quite some time - which means I need to tweak my filters a bit. Mr. Puchar's posts no longer bother me. I suggest you do the same. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 22:37:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26D9106564A for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235BA8FC19 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n51MbMsA034046; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 00:37:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n51MbM5r034043; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 00:37:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 00:37:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:37:28 -0000 exactly On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Monday, June 01, 2009 13:46:11 -0500 Chad Perrin > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> so you like to moderate me, being against moderation >> >> I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. > > Moderation is available to anyone who wants it. It's called filtering. > Yours is the first of these I've seen in quite some time - which means I need > to tweak my filters a bit. Mr. Puchar's posts no longer bother me. I > suggest you do the same. > > -- > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > Check the headers before clicking on Reply. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 1 22:55:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80081065670 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6809B8FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n51MuhO5013563; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:55:34 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Nikos Vassiliadis Message-ID: <20090601225534.GA13614@thought.org> References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: is there a program to joinlines? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:55:40 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:05:51AM +0300, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of > >>some kind > >> to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my > > > >you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and > >producing one line of output containing both > > > >man paste > >:) > > I think he means join all lines from a single file, > to produce a single-line file. In this case, you > should translate the \n character to space: > tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd > > You could also use: > echo `tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd` > which will add a final \n, to avoid the funny looking > output of a text file with no \n at the end. > > Nikos You got it, Nikos. I wrote a C prog that cuts the '\n' and replaces it with a blank. The tr stuff is too much typing:) thanks, you guys. gary PS: If atom ever gets ported, maybe a 'J' switch should automate what jlines jasciifile does. Suggestions? (i'm asking because i found there were billions and billions of places in my 150K+ story and using jlines makes it a bit simpler. ---At least in english, there are rules for how you quote something over paragraphs if the speaker/quote is the same...... PPS: *NOw* i'm starting to realize why OOo is so huge!! PPPS: i will make available several chapters of my geek novel to the readers of the list online... . > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 01:28:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18921065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from server02.lzt.com.br (server02.lzt.com.br [207.158.37.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A828FC26 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 01:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) Received: from [192.168.6.250] (cwbhome [189.123.214.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by server02.lzt.com.br (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5216v10014782 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:06:59 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from lenzi@k1.com.br) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:06:54 -0300 Message-Id: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:28:16 -0000 Hello, I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with full support for cups. If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the tinderbox. I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package Thanks for your attention, Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 03:38:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89847106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 03:38:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle.g18@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA8A8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 03:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle.g18@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so11723292qyk.3 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:38:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent :organization; bh=h1q0G/l2WUGHhP+DFlp0tbWyi8bfqybatHbRdeRPlSg=; b=blDPEa4DGoIcO+8mMFXjwLO6S38WtFn2YRKGbtCWnt4nD8Gf4Ya83ZcObtGAFeAyzO 2YAccs9M1GspvQBu1SnsL+8YJ6K3DPey59f5tFeQ2YS0x0pjIIbaXxPvTpKS2kTuV+Gr zeO1NM6PQbBAegP1o2P032XM09zO2h+ae2z+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:organization; b=wXgs5VBk5prz/R4dODLTNIfMUWSOWw6M12lvBk2bO5QLQVw1DAzUGwC5zXtaiA5w+T dP3SpikExdKiblGAEjp2I56BeJjBGbGnPJqmieGUoLd8Q9zVgQuyjkiIqJ+pdd/tE7YX zmNzKy/d57dGSu7t/ATYPKpBuX+S6XQ2nEtE0= Received: by 10.224.11.18 with SMTP id r18mr6417697qar.63.1243913895883; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (CPE-65-25-166-211.wi.res.rr.com [65.25.166.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm398626qwi.23.2009.06.01.20.38.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:38:12 -0500 From: Kyle Grieb To: FreeBSD-Questions Message-ID: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: (Illusion) Cc: Subject: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:38:17 -0000 I get a dead link from [http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp] to download the required file [tzupdater-1_3_12-2009a.zip]. This is a dep for 'ftp/jftp'. Google has failed me. -- ~ ##The United States of America is a Slave Nation## ##The Human race is a Slave race## !!InfoWars.com!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 05:44:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DBA1065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:44:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38398FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:44:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n525hven054619; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:43:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n525hven054619 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243921438; bh=kDEK3Kl4Ghc+W8XfwJ2H7OWXvejzxdWmH4TwpuJGtxs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2002=20Jun=202009=2006:43:51=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=20Tim=20Judd=20,=20=0D=0A=20freebsd-ques tions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20Stable=20 Mail=20Server=20And=20Web=20Mail|References:=20<1F9F36FCD9644D4683 DADAF7DD62B412@john>=09=09<200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions @mailing.thruhere.net>=09=09=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Ty pe:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protoco l=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"----------- -enigD4C2222E2AE58D2FDFE0259E"; b=JYFdfvmSM5V1uoxNlMsXtxDIt7xIHHW94XzuBBMZEfSqRgDQM31fOt4/vJNs6MTa8 ssLUHRWWMkP1U3v1/nRlpNPkAchmoEc3+3dX48Gb3N74Yot+eSURM/HgOQbnjTz6Eh lwq/Y7uyDjS2MWqoJkv1sN1wBrC9rW2iFsWxtho0= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:43:51 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD4C2222E2AE58D2FDFE0259E" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Tim Judd , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:44:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD4C2222E2AE58D2FDFE0259E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the=20 >> volume of >=20 > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to m= y=20 > servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail= system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest= your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Loo= k on it as a grace period where you can get your anti-spam defenses into shape= before the real onslaught begins. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigD4C2222E2AE58D2FDFE0259E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkokvB0ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIydzgCdF+ibWDimucbKuJ/Dk719vKOA R50AnjYHNiEv0hZGz8os6JekHsIJa6Y/ =XQr/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD4C2222E2AE58D2FDFE0259E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 05:50:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3543B1065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1988FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n525oZJc054775; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:50:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n525oZJc054775 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1243921835; bh=KahytzdvcKVfukO++CaHRpZjp0vFLi3441+qWHgwz/s=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2002=20Jun=202009=2006:50:34=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Momchil=20Ivanov=20|CC:=20fre ebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20top=20view=20different =20screens|References:=20<200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com>|I n-Reply-To:=20<200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com>|X-Enigmail-V ersion:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpg p-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0 A=20boundary=3D"------------enigA7D7EFDFE2ACF92865936C4B"; b=xBCCRW0d7is8eJZgT8FK+Y7cKtkiLo0ykCofjoMZkGbtyc82mWpzNujYzOHDS/AKk RpFSTQUg9Li/JuAzyTp7bLYQgv78J/Lnsrijdx6FO0ZXS5A7e40BGlojUPkg3dqlZT tJK8oxdM00kRHjzb3LJwGkJOeN6+yzNBTEjD0kAI= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:34 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Momchil Ivanov References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA7D7EFDFE2ACF92865936C4B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top view different screens X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:50:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA7D7EFDFE2ACF92865936C4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Momchil Ivanov wrote: > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), Unfortunate= ly no one has written them yet... Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall= as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to examine the whole process list. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigA7D7EFDFE2ACF92865936C4B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkokvasACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy6KwCfcZBmiPYXK4WB0wdO9Ildy9Wy PwgAn02HO7mjqb33cJ8pYZZlBxhQdRXp =OI7w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA7D7EFDFE2ACF92865936C4B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 06:47:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B345F1065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBD08FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from masoom.shaikh@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so4316296qwe.7 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:47:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UchLRtsQp6EOVPDh+HXKOdsBfJL3AaSpipwtjE3Gh6E=; b=cqcUbINBWXdVzMgi4wIPeYg4tVyXTUTspDCm3vANFR971L8PxpZjxbT/1W9WTNlXRF Kxx9MPgDcZo7BkIWjv7DUuxD3Z1NX1QfYUe4g2HpgNoo23JlkW+YUJ2PK2gbc/RGmYBT XN0KXHwjN3G5PAjzYgWiF41n5SIkOHTZTzScw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZrTycS1kXnf9pkjvXKI8Q33o2T9897dNkRIu5IvvAGnmSqUckKzwrD8GKTnc1nAnAy 0vlMs4n4VGaBhrgnoORo4tepiLR7rSY5zmwpzRPnwhmSKDOMhNzjwClHlvcArK+VCsd4 cvUdWBU38qGa65iokIoZoO2U/xPsPt2s2HMcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.95.194 with SMTP id e2mr4560079vcn.60.1243923915073; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:25:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:55:15 +0530 Message-ID: From: Masoom Shaikh To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:47:23 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi w= rote: > > Hello, > > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. please do that > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package if it is, it is because of people like you, thanks Sergio > > =A0Thanks for your attention, > > > Sergio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" OOo just does not make sense to compile from source unless development environment is needed. I compiled it last time and it took so long that I felt I have wasted my time and computing power for almost same result as pkg_add of pre-built binaries. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 06:51:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0F2106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from georg@dts.su) Received: from host4.symbios.ru (host4.symbios.ru [80.84.112.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F398FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from georg@dts.su) Received: from [80.84.121.226] (helo=WORLDMY) by host4.symbios.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MBNB4-0002QN-1f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:08:50 +0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:08:47 +0400 From: georg@dts.su Organization: dts.su X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1523133717.20090602100847@dts.su> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host4.symbios.ru X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dts.su Subject: fatal trap 12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: georg@dts.su List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:51:15 -0000 Hello, Freebsd-questions. I use FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64. About month ago system was crashed with "Fatal trap 12"... I bay new hardware and install new FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64. cPanel and ASSP (anti spam proxy). And one a day or two days have this: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid: =3D 0; apic id =3D 00 fault virtual address =3D 0x8000000000 fault code =3D supervisor write data, page not present instruction pointer =3D 0x8:0xffffffff8018b839 stack pointer =3D 0x10:0xffffff807a25d190 frame pointer =3D 0x10:0xea5f code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D 59397 (perl5.10.0) trap number =3D 12 And alway, after crash, I see "current process =3D perl5.10.0"... Can You help me? --=20 Regards, mailto:georg@dts.su Yura From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 07:37:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB891065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C108B8FC2B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1577245fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:37:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tFiBVWxlCHzGkyFQ+Mzv3trVWUDrqsrhdGrGbWY9i28=; b=Zy31bALn8DV3n45ZUbxOz/cjqr2gnUESmbTMwqhmHuneoPg+GH39/kwOn06fKC8w8f Df3cxgGQsU8yZl5Iqf6A3J9BwxwZXEFd4AWY4Ddl++pQw1i5cAJAeBaZKrQXamX/kjjU KTYAElK+ylwZ71j2aVz83v1IfIw3Umuamt4ks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bm0cjjCKe8smuc1z7SvFxEqlJJwIAEDh+S2mtqB4XfzjD1XN+s38qUshbn6cmhzrvK Np68mxXjPNQRswAQXGe5qNhTaby/UjyO5Art05BIuFnRhPwf19+oy4MLYmsLVvZT/vu6 uKchPwKYutQ2d/zxd5Wlyo865W0aTr8/p8GiQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.15 with SMTP id t15mr6564809bki.139.1243928226681; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:37:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: To: Masoom Shaikh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:37:08 -0000 2009/6/2 Masoom Shaikh : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi = wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 >> available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with >> full support for cups. >> >> If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the >> tinderbox. > > please do that > >> >> I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as >> with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > if it is, it is because of people like you, thanks Sergio > >> >> =A0Thanks for your attention, >> >> >> Sergio >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > > OOo just does not make sense to compile from source unless development > environment is needed. I compiled it last time and it took so long > that I felt I have wasted my time and computing power for almost same > result as pkg_add of pre-built binaries. Couldn't agree more. You know it's like that when even the Gentoo people have a binary package for it ;) Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 08:42:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B25106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDC78FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.locolomo.org (beta.locolomo.org [172.16.0.32]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EA8A1C0847; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A24E5F2.7070909@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:42:26 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:42:29 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Erik Norgaard wrote: > >> I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled >> with BDB 4.3. >> >> Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to >> migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a >> newer version of BDB. >> >> Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? >> >> The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at >> sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such >> information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? > > Yes -- I believe BDB 4.3 and 4.6 aren't binary compatible it seems. > > For the special case of cyrus-imapd you should use cvt_cyrusdb(8) to > dump out the contents of cyrus DB files to ascii, update everything, and > then use cvt_cyrusdb to reload the data. Thanks, it doesn't seem that you can use this tool to convert from one version of BDB to another: alpha$ /usr/local/cyrus/bin/cvt_cyrusdb Usage: /usr/local/cyrus/bin/cvt_cyrusdb [-C altconfig] Usable Backends: berkeley, berkeley-nosync, berkeley-hash, berkeley-hash-nosync, flat, skiplist, quotalegacy So, I can restructure but not upgrade... It doesn't seem like other tools are provided with cyrus-imapd. I took a look on the files in my imap-dir, and it's a mess. Maybe the strategy would be to setup two servers and transfer mail one by one. Anyone got experience with this? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 09:13:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D8A106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E53C8FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:13:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1MBQ42-0007f4-CU; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:13:46 +0400 To: Chris Nicholls References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:13:46 +0400 In-Reply-To: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> (Chris Nicholls's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 19\:54\:20 +0100") Message-ID: <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:13:48 -0000 On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:54:20 +0100 Chris Nicholls wrote: > I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > etc for any hints to the reason why. I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 09:56:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A13B106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925488FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:56:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atlantis.dyndns.org (athedsl-4489147.home.otenet.gr [94.71.75.195]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n529uTiP000798; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:56:30 +0300 Message-ID: <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:56:29 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:56:33 -0000 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Hello, > > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > Thanks for your attention, > > > Sergio > Thank you Sergio! I currently don't have a suitable machine to run 64bit package builds, so my packages are currently limited to the i386 versions. If you have enough space and bandwidth to upload this somewhere please do. Otherwise, hopefully Glen Barber may be able to assist ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 10:06:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C822106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:06:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060A78FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBQt7-0000ZM-Lc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:06:35 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MBQsy-0003zE-0B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:06:24 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n529smhR052582 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n529shFH052401 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:43 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:06:37 -0000 Could somebody point me to a relevant sshd documentation where the cause of these rejection messages is explained: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx The user is trying to connect from some MS ssh client and gets timeout. I get the above message in the logs. I just could not find anything relevant in the docs or on the net. many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 10:51:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4DA1065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0325F8FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52ApH50036812; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:51:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52ApEXl036809; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:51:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:51:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Tim Judd , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:51:28 -0000 >> on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my >> servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail > system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest > your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Look on Users of your mail service will help them very well. For example sending christmas greets using CC: instead of Bcc: From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 10:53:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485171065676 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1018FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52Aqp5S036826; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:52:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52AqoVr036823; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:52:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:52:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:53:00 -0000 > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package I don't understand why it's ahead, or behind or whatever. Just good you made read to use openoffice binary package. Those who needs openoffice program will say thanks. Those who rarely needs openoffice will say too - including me. thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 10:54:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1C51065677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA6E8FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52Asicj036845; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52AshC0036842; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:54:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:54:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Boris Samorodov In-Reply-To: <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chris Nicholls , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:54:53 -0000 >> to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives >> etc for any hints to the reason why. > > I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory > bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. with no ECC machine it would simply crash. With ECC - it was probably constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects errors? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 10:55:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EA11065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:55:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A0B8FC2F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52AtRq1036852; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:55:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52AtRla036849; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:55:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:55:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Anton Shterenlikht In-Reply-To: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: References: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:55:42 -0000 > Could somebody point me to a relevant sshd documentation where > the cause of these rejection messages is explained: > > sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx it's not rejection. sshd waited waited and didn't got next think it should It may be ssh windows client bug or just connectivity problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 11:01:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18702106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E6D8FC28 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BAD184F106A; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:01:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n52B1VB5003495; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:01:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:01:26 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:01:34 -0000 El día Tuesday, June 02, 2009 a las 12:52:50PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribió: > >I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > >available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > >full support for cups. > > > >If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > >tinderbox. > > > >I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > >with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > I don't understand why it's ahead, or behind or whatever. > Just good you made read to use openoffice binary package. > > Those who needs openoffice program will say thanks. Those who rarely needs > openoffice will say too - including me. thanks! I'd like to give this a try as well on 8-CURRENT; for the moment I have my own compiled from the ports as: $ pkg_info | fgrep openoffice es-openoffice.org-3.2.20090412 Integrated wordprocessor/dbase/spreadsheet/drawing/chart/br which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, which could also be a bug in X11 libs or even in CURRENT; that's why I'd like to try it with your pkg; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 11:02:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD0910656B8 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from relay.timico.net (relay1.mail.as8607.net [62.121.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B13E8FC27 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from atsuko.keme.net ([62.121.1.23]) by relay.timico.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBRl8-0005zX-LO; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:02:22 +0100 Received: by atsuko.keme.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE3D04AC0D; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:01:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:01:43 +0100 From: Chris Nicholls To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602110143.GE33990@atsuko> References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:02:25 -0000 On Monday, 1 June 2009 at K:49:59 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > >to build a kernel! > > sorry if it's stupod question but do you have softupdates enabled? > Yeah, enabled > >I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > >etc for any hints to the reason why. > > > >Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general > >usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU > >intensive operations where things seem to lag. > > caches disabled? Disk I/O seems fine, and i'm getting good rates when testing with dd and iostat, gstat show what i'd expect. I Initally thought it was the disks but that was due to issues with getting the RAID controller working correctlly which was sovled with the use if the IBM RAID tools cd. Regards -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 11:55:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED11B1065674 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767F88FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8272313bwz.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YP38onSbDGkRrNOIrD2fi3lpf+mSYa7p9IanaDag1ME=; b=tOMpKtsODJP3DPtb6uyEnM+KaI/OzGbcQDZphgzahztSkZD8ew8x8fUyG+ZC9Cq0Dl fmViLdpyo2IW7oTgFOr66H2lsEv4xPTgb39XOB4cOAyv2GT/w5EoV7mzRr70TsCXpQN2 VaWHlksoCsptuKM2Y2D/YYFo8+t6zekkFp5J4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vi78K6H0TgtPqrGdRUGpDsBthbEGUaKDiXTBbGjjiDYlSIxYMPGC2nZOIjYNEysrkZ Q7raUuicRCphk716QLN6VF2WsM0jBesyXmn7ZFuVRwXmwL/zeUeYbZ0bB1HlUalshvMw imxo60qOLohFX4LiuOqLlIZc5zPgz1LQmylxw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.51.130 with SMTP id d2mr6760076bkg.12.1243943734205; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:55:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: var socket in random directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:55:37 -0000 OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly appearing in directories? I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my ports directory. [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls CHANGES arabic/ finance/ multimedia/ textproc/ COPYRIGHT archivers/ french/ net/ ukrainian/ GIDs astro/ ftp/ net-im/ var= INDEX-7 audio/ games/ net-mgmt/ vietnamese/ INDEX-7.bz2 benchmarks/ german/ net-p2p/ www/ INDEX-7.db biology/ graphics/ news/ x11/ KNOBS cad/ hebrew/ packages/ x11-clocks/ LEGAL chinese/ hungarian/ palm/ x11-drivers/ MOVED comms/ irc/ polish/ x11-fm/ Makefile converters/ japanese/ ports-mgmt/ x11-fonts/ Mk/ databases/ java/ portuguese/ x11-servers/ README deskutils/ korean/ print/ x11-themes/ Templates/ devel/ lang/ russian/ x11-toolkits/ Tools/ distfiles/ mail/ science/ x11-wm/ UIDs dns/ math/ security/ UPDATING editors/ mbone/ shells/ accessibility/ emulators/ misc/ sysutils/ [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun May 3 21:54:38 BST 2009 root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC i386 [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? Any ideas? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 11:56:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44A8106568B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from relay.timico.net (relay2.mail.as8607.net [62.121.20.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A44A8FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@timico.net) Received: from atsuko.keme.net ([62.121.1.23]) by relay.timico.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBSbh-00075M-G8; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:56:41 +0100 Received: by atsuko.keme.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CCC6D4AC0D; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:56:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:56:02 +0100 From: Chris Nicholls To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:56:42 -0000 On Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at K:54:43 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > >>etc for any hints to the reason why. > > > >I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory > >bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. > > with no ECC machine it would simply crash. With ECC - it was probably > constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. > > anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects > errors? This feels like the right track, I'll run memtest86 on it later tonight. Regards -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 12:04:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1671065677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227958FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 6130 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 12:03:59 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2009 12:03:59 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C395083A; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 5CD8A1CCB3; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:03:53 -0400 (EDT) To: Kyle Grieb References: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:03:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> (Kyle Grieb's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 22\:38\:12 -0500") Message-ID: <44r5y2hmfq.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:04:00 -0000 Kyle Grieb writes: > I get a dead link from [http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp] to download the required file [tzupdater-1_3_12-2009a.zip]. It's up to /usr/ports/distfiles/tzupdater-1_3_15-2009g.zip now. You need to update your ports. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 12:32:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C22A106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav3.lyse.net (asav3.lyse.net [81.167.37.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3CB8FC23 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD148443A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:32:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from terra.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9366C842EB for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A251BB5.6040904@kleppnett.no> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:31:49 +0200 From: kenneth hatteland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: re: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:32:08 -0000 I have had the same problem when trying to compile OO this weekend. it is still unavailable. I have just noticed Sun about the problem and hopefully within a reasonable amount of time we have the tze tool back online Kenneth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 12:40:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FF11065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBC78FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52CeOJQ054041; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n52CeN8m054040; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:23 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Wojciech Puchar , Zbigniew Szalbot , Jerry McAllister , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:40:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:40:30 -0000 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:08:30AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > > >I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and > >knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the > > once again please reread that post. it wasn't even potential donor, but > potential advert buyer. But if i'm really wrong, i will mail him and say > that he can buy advert on FreeBSD webpage for 100$. I just re-read it. >>>1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD That's *monthly*. It's not insubstantial as you keep implying, and it even shows commitment, not a one-time shot. Hardly spam in my book. >>>What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. They don't want an advert but a link. That's what you get for 5000 USD/year on http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little more, get their link and help the project as a whole. Missed opportunity. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 13:15:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FDF10656BB for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinbadie@yahoo.com) Received: from n2b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (n2b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8281C8FC31 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinbadie@yahoo.com) Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 13:15:38 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.166] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 13:15:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 13:15:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 957718.26103.bm@omp107.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77270 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2009 13:15:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1243948537; bh=UjDkQivSzZ7xUkEYt5GDoRMv2KT3WOCB3zvlRwysZxA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fBbSAiIBz9ygSTBp88DIXcU2vq0iPAugRA8Dc7HV56l9C9fn/xM5O+LIk2OtERT34LzNPY4IVW4oLYyFu9gofcU5Tk7C0GUswdcKukjbbOySQ8fK/C4vkFh03YZgPeQn9PuLIuiBzxVrlwJy++dxDTBipupqroHBKiiY6WPNPpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MCG3eUv89ZgFqdkCb0eBl8qNbPJ6ZmEYGGl1KirSgNB1AN+7V1knDP/7tp/aQlfpiCYfRTzNS7HFMBPV6kfr03B2arsTnEZqZJ1jZuWgZTnj+Io6IS9PBHiPczULhkJZcPit28Zl/K3YTgr9/wHV2vABZrsMdyNIdT/zEF9RsCw=; Message-ID: <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: c2pBniwVM1m80jZhLKADjL4vt2yJ5g5t1vZdP7GrhGYFstLuDHCPfrehDabGKi7unNj4VoCL.oKszN8rOg2TzDvNxieBuDeXa_5LkrhOFuvux0oXL4LgZOXCLTUjGcypli.Ce3fZ2zFYFGW4QDJkRZCleU9HQb_mGW9IAVrb6kYDHlqls84dfv4u2JzWODb1MEGeYsA8zEJyPT2cZkSdu6Qa4wm833NEznYP7KyTrxEIzZmZ2pgZqIKpHjTOOfubexHdpfuX3iYmd.Fb_QY2Tw-- Received: from [212.156.51.22] by web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:15:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Badie To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a binary package update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:15:43 -0000 Hi, I have package-1.0 installed and want to update to package-2.0 using package-2.0.tbz package file. This binary package is at /var/tmp/packages/All. I have no /usr/ports directory export PKG_PATH=/var/tmp/packages/All export PKG_FETCH=/usr/bin/false portupgrade -PP postgresql-server ** Port directory not found: databases/postgresql83-server ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) - databases/postgresql83-server (port directory error) Do I need to have /usr/ports/ installed on that system? I just want to upgrade to package-2.0.tbz without having anything related to Ports ( /usr/ports) on my systems? Just like a rpm -Uhv package-2.0.rpm on Linux. Can someone enlighten me on how to do that with portupgrade? Or maybe with another tool on FreeBSD? Regards. ________________________________ From: Polytropon To: Martin Badie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 8:01:39 PM Subject: Re: a binary package update On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > How can I update a pre-compiled package [...] You cannot update a pre-compiled package, you can only overwrite or replace the package (tbz file). However, you can update an installed port or package; in most cases, it doesn't even matter if you installed from a port or from a package. > [...] for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded > package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package > to 2.0 without internet connection. Is is relatively easy, but you need to make sure first that you have all the dependencies for package-2.0, for example libdep-1.3, depend-3.2.1 and libfoo-0.22.7. You first need to fetch them. Now a question: The system that has internet access: Do you want to install the new packages there, too? > I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 > installed on my system. If you answered the question with "yes", then portupgrade can do it for you. Simply update package-1.0 to package-2.0 and let portupgrade create packages (-p). You can then transfer those packages to the other system which can't fetch them by itself. But if you answered "no", the task would be as follows: Get the newest version of a package along with all those packages this new version depends on. In order to do so, you may use the simple (and ugly) shell script I attached. It uses pkg_add to fetch those packages, but it does NOT install anything. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 13:48:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB50106570B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=uYATfs=B5=mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za=twelcome@srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com) Received: from smtp01.bis.eu.blackberry.com (smtp01.bis.eu.blackberry.com [216.9.253.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96D58FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=uYATfs=B5=mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za=twelcome@srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com) Received: from bxe1035.bisx.produk.on.blackberry (bxe1035.bisx.produk.on.blackberry [172.24.204.50]) by srs.bis.eu.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n52BlEgn010794; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:19:36 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1494314171 Message-ID: <1494314171-1243948776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9951010-@bxe1035.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: "kenneth hatteland" , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org From: twelcome@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:18:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: twelcome@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:48:17 -0000 I managed to work around this by plugging the package name into google and downloading it from non-Sun sites. ------Original Message------ From: kenneth hatteland Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Jun 2, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: re: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 I have had the same problem when trying to compile OO this weekend. it is still unavailable. I have just noticed Sun about the problem and hopefully within a reasonable amount of time we have the tze tool back online Kenneth _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 13:52:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FCA106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matti.k@bigpond.net.au) Received: from nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwqsrv01p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7D88FC1E for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:52:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matti.k@bigpond.net.au) Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([121.210.38.110]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090602120103.BEKE1920.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com>; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:01:03 +0000 Received: from platypus.freebsd.home ([121.210.38.110]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090602120102.LODK12022.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@platypus.freebsd.home>; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:01:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:59:53 +1000 From: matti k To: Leslie Jensen Message-ID: <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> In-Reply-To: <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150204.4A25147F.0072,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qB46Et35TAD0zmV70WS0OwR3yAuxq3Iv8Z4QWs1mqBoGT07duMDeU67mJrM7hND2xDxcNxiPPmAqY6/0X4/Ru+M= Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:52:55 -0000 On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:31:05 +0200 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > > > > David Kelly wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >>> > >>> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled > >>> all its dependencies but it still fails. > >>> > >>> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean > >>> install. > >>> > >>> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. > >>> > >>> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! > >>> > >>> Any hints appreciated > >> > >> Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > >> > >> WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > >> > >> Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some > >> tables in the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. > >> > > > > It does not work here :-( > > / > > I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. > > kern.maxdsiz="734003200" > Try with this? kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" kern.maxdsiz="734003200" Cheers, Matti From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 14:33:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527E5106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rgarcia31@verizon.net) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.103.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA1078FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rgarcia31@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 58445 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 14:06:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm-23f945b374f) (rgarcia31@71.248.175.145 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 14:06:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qO3jJi8VM1nPAR.ivnkOP8OxPVWmMFeKb_hGSyw0ILLFZon1w6vLJQHTSyjTJiawjIcsj_8SDYpVVzqtwgKRu5HP.1OQUYrYO6kKnT.MOPv36s2lmFeP2jxYin3BZjFhPdacmyLp18beusTmZ4YaUZKy24ch2ftxbq_mPV75T4ozqWECTcHGNKxT4vMpufpWREXfBup4NCxgy.RfgFc_37GEz5I0SQkRDFwyJg7y9lulz0.wl9szcoBsSPOLAaVL.4bd21Pk0OeAOdvTG2tLDeTL2MYF8krOwpDlvCUytEFqXjgasr1AjWrQhIGILWz.UyE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:06:38 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Rafael E Garcia" Organization: Home Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Win32) Cc: Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:33:20 -0000 Gentlemen Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 14:40:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36D11065676 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DBC08FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jun 2009 14:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [91.140.118.23] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 02 Jun 2009 16:40:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18kGOsu53gksNt+n/Oz41Q/DPZToiDHekD7vxR3SD Kd8zXKk/olwz01 Message-ID: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:39:30 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utisoft@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: var socket in random directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:40:48 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly > appearing in directories? > > I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my > ports directory. > > [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls > CHANGES arabic/ finance/ multimedia/ textproc/ > COPYRIGHT archivers/ french/ net/ ukrainian/ > GIDs astro/ ftp/ net-im/ var= > INDEX-7 audio/ games/ net-mgmt/ vietnamese/ > INDEX-7.bz2 benchmarks/ german/ net-p2p/ www/ > INDEX-7.db biology/ graphics/ news/ x11/ > KNOBS cad/ hebrew/ packages/ x11-clocks/ > LEGAL chinese/ hungarian/ palm/ x11-drivers/ > MOVED comms/ irc/ polish/ x11-fm/ > Makefile converters/ japanese/ ports-mgmt/ x11-fonts/ > Mk/ databases/ java/ portuguese/ x11-servers/ > README deskutils/ korean/ print/ x11-themes/ > Templates/ devel/ lang/ russian/ x11-toolkits/ > Tools/ distfiles/ mail/ science/ x11-wm/ > UIDs dns/ math/ security/ > UPDATING editors/ mbone/ shells/ > accessibility/ emulators/ misc/ sysutils/ > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a > FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun > May 3 21:54:38 BST 2009 > root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC i386 > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% > > I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? Not a really helpful response, but why openldap(or any other program) would create sockets in random directories? > Any ideas? You mean you see sockets appear and disappear on their own? in random directories? Maybe sou should do something like "find / -type s" and then use stat(1) on the findings and see if birth timestamp ring any bells. Just a stub in the dark, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 14:50:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85475106567B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA308FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 264 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 14:50:43 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2009 14:50:42 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 80E5E5083F; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) To: "Rafael E Garcia" References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:50:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Rafael E. Garcia's message of "Tue\, 02 Jun 2009 10\:06\:38 -0400") Message-ID: <44k53uk7um.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HandbooK-Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:50:44 -0000 "Rafael E Garcia" writes: > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia Look at the Handbook on the web. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Right at the start are directions for downloading the Handbook in a variety of formats. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 14:53:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8151065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77CD8FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52ErOCI093503; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:53:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-cr-puzzleid: {31FFC7D9-C470-480A-8A92-EAEB766ED7E5} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-cr-hashedpuzzle: h84= BiDt B0Y4 D5Hx Evej FThy FmIm GjVj KEre KbYv MSXe NHO3 Ngpo UZ0G Ugtp U3nh; 2; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnADsAcgBnAGEAcgBjAGkAYQAzADEAQAB2AGUAcgBpAHoAbwBuAC4AbgBlAHQA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {31FFC7D9-C470-480A-8A92-EAEB766ED7E5}; agBvAGgAYQBuAEAAZABvAHUAYgBsAGUALQBsAC4AbgBsAA==; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:53:11 GMT; UgBFADoAIABIAGEAbgBkAGIAbwBvAEsALQBGAHIAZQBlACAAQgBTAEQA Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:53:11 +0200 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8FE@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: HandbooK-Free BSD Thread-Index: Acnjj6orvlhCFkgeS++vLetwPTpD0AAAezwA References: From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "Rafael E Garcia" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: HandbooK-Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:53:27 -0000 >Gentlemen >Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any = Sugestion =20 >will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia Try the following and download the pdf.zip file ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/handbook/ regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2145 - Release Date: = 05/31/09 05:53:00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:02:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FA01065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:02:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from srv0007.pine.nl (srv0007.pine.nl [213.156.9.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C54F8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:02:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv0007.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E634508251; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:46:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pine.nl Received: from srv0007.pine.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv0007.pine.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Gd1H-ha37YPH; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:45:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fileserver.pine.nl (a83-161-224-82.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.161.224.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by srv0007.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39E3150812F; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:45:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freelt.pine.nl (unknown [172.16.0.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fileserver.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CA78130EA4; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:45:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A253B1E.4010701@isafeelin.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:45:50 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rafael E Garcia References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HandbooK-Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:02:23 -0000 Rafael E Garcia wrote: > Gentlemen > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook -- Frederique From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:11:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58181065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1DA8FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8408161bwz.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eGtIEPrlSfhPBaLtFlUCIGp3/0vObhqIhC87Q9XWHeI=; b=SLLvfIhG4U+enJBe1VY7n5S6CKZBJYvAn0Pf0ALkEFuQdE+wiOXXldmXEMwcbbYplM eWCVzf8ZPIV5cxa4zl4BXJJpI9kqrETHsjmZjDaCe2RQb6KKABc7l5mJ9hFGxKdM12Xl pcf3HoNUx3NT6TwogkeLqXHqHPrFDDxzcVwyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A1JDGSAJQxfceraZHBX43Z6JhoXDpv7Omowy65S7gT2jCepbq/YCX0QjCvSRixkqou Ta32H7UWZVrQtT2ZG0AfAsxj88PP7NvYsRepg1wFEfpoLlvzOENwTlivHvTck7laOgds 4wQIFHmD64ef79RsN2/hDZq8BHflTOWQ9P+9I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.203 with SMTP id s11mr6917066bkq.153.1243955499568; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> References: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:11:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: var socket in random directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:11:42 -0000 2009/6/2 Nikos Vassiliadis : > Chris Rees wrote: >> >> OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly >> appearing in directories? >> >> I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=3D, as can be seen in my >> ports directory. >> >> [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls >> CHANGES =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 arabic/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 finance/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= multimedia/ =A0 =A0 textproc/ >> COPYRIGHT =A0 =A0 =A0 archivers/ =A0 =A0 =A0french/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 net/= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ukrainian/ >> GIDs =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0astro/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0ftp/ =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0net-im/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 var=3D >> INDEX-7 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 audio/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0games/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0net-mgmt/ >> vietnamese/ >> INDEX-7.bz2 =A0 =A0 benchmarks/ =A0 =A0 german/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 net-p2p/= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0www/ >> INDEX-7.db =A0 =A0 =A0biology/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0graphics/ =A0 =A0 =A0 news= / =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x11/ >> KNOBS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 cad/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hebrew/ =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 packages/ >> x11-clocks/ >> LEGAL =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 chinese/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0hungarian/ =A0 =A0 =A0= palm/ >> x11-drivers/ >> MOVED =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 comms/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0irc/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0polish/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x11-fm/ >> Makefile =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0converters/ =A0 =A0 japanese/ =A0 =A0 =A0 ports-= mgmt/ =A0 =A0 x11-fonts/ >> Mk/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 databases/ =A0 =A0 =A0java/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 portuguese/ >> x11-servers/ >> README =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0deskutils/ =A0 =A0 =A0korean/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = print/ >> =A0x11-themes/ >> Templates/ =A0 =A0 =A0devel/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0lang/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 russian/ >> =A0x11-toolkits/ >> Tools/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0distfiles/ =A0 =A0 =A0mail/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 science/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x11-wm/ >> UIDs =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dns/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0math/ =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 security/ >> UPDATING =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0editors/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mbone/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0shells/ >> accessibility/ =A0emulators/ =A0 =A0 =A0misc/ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sysuti= ls/ >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a >> FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun >> May =A03 21:54:38 BST 2009 >> root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC =A0i386 >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% >> >> I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? > > Not a really helpful response, but why openldap(or any other > program) would create sockets in random directories? > >> Any ideas? > > You mean you see sockets appear and disappear on their own? > in random directories? > > Maybe sou should do something like "find / -type s" and > then use stat(1) on the findings and see if birth timestamp > ring any bells. > > Just a stub in the dark, Nikos > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports/print/lyx16% stat /usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var 78 566252 srwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 0 0 "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" 4096 0 0 /usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var Interesting, seems to be the fault of webmin. I'll investigate further, tha= nks. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:15:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EC11065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl (hook.uz.zgora.pl [212.109.128.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408D68FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E39F510F1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: AntiSPAM System - University of Zielona Gora Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hook.uz.zgora.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqDKfy0dRkuy for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from komp.skl (xdsl-5405.zgora.dialog.net.pl [84.40.169.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0126B510EF for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Zbigniew Komarnicki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:15:12 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:15:24 -0000 On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote: > which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, ... I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:22:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F55A106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F6D8FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52FMJed001453; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52FMIl0001450; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:22:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Nicholls In-Reply-To: <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> Message-ID: References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:22:23 -0000 >> constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. >> >> anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects >> errors? > This feels like the right track, I'll run memtest86 on it later tonight. > if i'm right memtest86 will not detect anything as too - all errors get corrected. for example - on your DIMM with 72-bit bus (64+8) one pin is dirty and is not connected well. then you'll get a single bit error every few reads/writes, and all will be corrected. If you can disable ECC - do it, and then run memtest so it will detect errors. If you can't, remove all but one DIMM, check if speed improved, if so, remove this and put other DIMM etc.. until you'll find what is bad. Or maybe it will then work fine because it's just contact problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:23:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5988106567F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040558FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:23:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52FN8wo001479; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52FN7cE001476; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:23:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:23:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ruben de Groot In-Reply-To: <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Zbigniew Szalbot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:23:16 -0000 > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little > more, get their link and help the project as a whole. That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. > Missed opportunity. > sure not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:24:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C155410656A9 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437068FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52FOVM0001494; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:24:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52FOUrl001491; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:24:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:24:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Zbigniew Komarnicki In-Reply-To: <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:24:39 -0000 > On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, > ... > > I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core > file. ulimit -c 0 :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:26:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F6D10656AE for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654C18FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1879617fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:26:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wGBx2CpBxdDDRcLzepF2fUJbSLgtWUl/v6l4RHYjY4Q=; b=PfTlE3gdNHp/cACp7oLOu2e1QMuyaZJUmhYZIqW3EhqCM9LK6QBo3bsHZCY/gY3S16 AoZVzLGXTkuDaNGeMfWpmo4qkkzOv3mSAvC9/lW8jZpQ4VOSd2Y8Lo9jpdkRC1XD4H3G XVmHuXCzslvBfhZmeOKHrbcy5vtQI8ynq5bNE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EglxLqm2mt/9AinPuuNbkyv+jbfCnsOvPNlFmM+DGOaFcUs0jPvpxycumJ3zVAI6bT jhyOvmZsfE0CGZqS513zued5u4rSmG5eU1XdJ6CLSHMElujy8Jd7UNcvfPgF9aQDSwIa 4U2NRDiXHdUb80bcQBPfGS3+AV1sVZJWPR6OQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr6910863bkr.144.1243956361564; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906020826l70e89dp7008bdbeec1f0136@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Manolis Kiagias , Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:26:04 -0000 Hi guys, 2009/6/2 Manolis Kiagias : > Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 >> available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with >> full support for cups. >> >> If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the >> tinderbox. >> >> I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as >> with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package >> >> =A0Thanks for your attention, >> >> >> Sergio >> > > Thank you Sergio! > I currently don't have a suitable machine to run 64bit package builds, > so my packages are currently limited to the i386 versions. > If you have enough space and bandwidth to upload this somewhere please > do. Otherwise, hopefully Glen Barber may be able to assist ;) > > Sergio, If you need space to host the packages, email me off-list. Regards, --=20 Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:30:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123F31065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wclark@dl1.njit.edu) Received: from mail-gw5.njit.edu (mail.njit.edu [128.235.251.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A328FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wclark@dl1.njit.edu) Received: from dl1.njit.edu (dl1.njit.edu [128.235.112.11]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52EuDQY027055 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dl1.njit.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dl1.njit.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52EfCOO018822 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wclark@dl1.njit.edu) Received: (from www@localhost) by dl1.njit.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n52EfCfQ018821; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wclark@dl1.njit.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: dl1.njit.edu: www set sender to wclark@dl1.njit.edu using -f Received: from 128.235.114.158 (SquirrelMail authenticated user wclark) by dl1.njit.edu with HTTP; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: wclark@dl1.njit.edu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (dl1.njit.edu [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: pcre X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:30:50 -0000 I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:36:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECF3106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madunix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCBC8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madunix@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8426303bwz.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZJf/cjxxLm7JkxF7Y7ECSZcMOerl8sESNCtfi/xe/LI=; b=wMuYV+BweNbSkz9HP7MfKtcNZlE4KdWGVJQcyVgW38V16ckxIkxKpM3NK9U3QagTM4 Lur47y46454t5l8XCwkty6aPFiyPsqV+5mofh2CxDLHy2XuBJVRHr0LKQD3k/Sg5d+4G PbZm84mBs3s5qca+G/cyTgfII5LIrEmPWYDmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GGBgQGYUkqzFjHkCvJr2BN6et4nV3WWyjTWKiQZYfIP16WzyhLjyeXVNFRwvamvaCK NUndX30jOCCrq4pGphk9C/BF7kZpQoeOwevqjuf1AERRoch8jIopn/AmeAsc4ac24Ex0 sESigmD5uRUgesJxRJ5lZM1+mLUtc0d97i3Mc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.141 with SMTP id r13mr6885499bkq.181.1243955548726; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:12:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> From: madunix To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:36:53 -0000 Dear Experts, I want to know out of your experience people the following, 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Your input would be really appreciated. Thanks madunix From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:37:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92188106567B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485328FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F455E300; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:37:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.648, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lT7CoV0elBle; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:37:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC81C5E055; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:37:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A254734.9090904@eskk.nu> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:37:24 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090407) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matti k References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> In-Reply-To: <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:37:29 -0000 / >> I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. >> >> kern.maxdsiz="734003200" >> > > Try with this? > > kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" > kern.maxdsiz="734003200" > > Cheers, > Matti Unfortunately it did not make any difference. The build error persists. / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:43:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A5C1065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234D58FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:43:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1892767fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5vRsmIA9wHzJwOdGDjM2ALnDCHVZqNufKyCTN+wHWFE=; b=A/SADuUcCSEqCoD1sO+rnT4jjQ8aSwku+WkWOVKOON/NguJlsrnKRAcJYzQYwUJfC8 TP9Exeu/73dCGzLx1J+iWR4/EkA0ELhuBuBg9vpr7kiCFlHg8ilpkyoFqT9JadLPCag7 kgdzRjAIPl+tekTu794Zo33evqbNu+7S6djIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vZYWD/JkQlKy+RJUM8sU/e/F3EwIToVbd83wJKwgMrXXwoE5Oe2esrpUlxyPHEn1v3 8YpVJ/0QMc/2TMP7eaxp7KwlTnYazPj3OJ5DxfcsF8k6jvGlg5w5jBsDDODvWMGQGTmK U6ZdogLbpLkoVqvi0hhBzQ0cmlPZyP6ATowkA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.70 with SMTP id c6mr6926213bkr.144.1243957430346; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: madunix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:43:52 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses =A0requirements? Allowing extensibility. Generally, if something needs to be changed, it _can_ be changed, and usually with minimal overhead. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? This is a very vague question. Do you mean desktop or server applications? (I use FreeBSD for both purposes... Hopefully that answers your question. :) ) > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my own code. On the same note, free software enables me to get experience with more applications without burning through my wallet. :) > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix --=20 Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:44:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C6510656CE for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:44:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EED8FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52Fih4I001877; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52FiglM001874; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: madunix In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:44:48 -0000 > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? excellent. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? All i needed - do you want a list ? > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? what exactly you want to know? > > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 15:59:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3A9106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2098FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52FxqOP002101; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52FxpcJ002098; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:59:58 -0000 > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: > I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in > itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my > own code. I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source code is available for everybody. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 16:18:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397541065676 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7F298FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:18:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 400 invoked by uid 89); 2 Jun 2009 16:18:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2009 16:18:42 -0000 Message-ID: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:18:09 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: madunix References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050502020004020505040803" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:18:02 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050502020004020505040803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we are all open source. Everything is FreeBSD. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? Pretty much everything: - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) - RADIUS - web servers - email servers - database servers - backup (AMANDA) - infrastructure config management (RANCID) - performance graphing (MRTG) - performance testing (iperf etc) - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) - communications (firefox, thunderbird) - and hundreds more > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out. In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. 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Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA0C8FC1D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n52Gbn1Z023595; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n52Gbnl2023594; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:37:49 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:40:00 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 05:59:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > >technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: > >I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > >${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in > >itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my > >own code. > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to > zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source software as much as possible. ////jerry (ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) > > If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source > code is available for everybody. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 16:40:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE36B1065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from smtp2.beanfield.net (smtp2.beanfield.net [206.223.173.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F228FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from brent.local ([66.207.193.249]) by smtp2.beanfield.net (8.13.4/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n52En2Il056434 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Message-ID: <4A253CB7.7010402@beanfield.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:52:39 -0400 From: Brent Bloxam Organization: Beanfield Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: HandbooK-Free BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:40:38 -0000 Rafael E Garcia wrote: > Gentlemen > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 16:54:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118251065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BF58FC31 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [10.47.0.240]) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n52GtSGj023554; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@aristotle.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n52GtRjI023552; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:55:27 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Steve Bertrand Message-ID: <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:54:25 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:18:09PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: > madunix wrote: > > Dear Experts, > > > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > > > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? > > Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source > (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few > Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we > are all open source. > > Everything is FreeBSD. > > > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > > Pretty much everything: > > - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) > - RADIUS > - web servers > - email servers > - database servers > - backup (AMANDA) > - infrastructure config management (RANCID) > - performance graphing (MRTG) > - performance testing (iperf etc) > - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) > - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) > - communications (firefox, thunderbird) > - and hundreds more > > > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out. > > In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can > change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being > able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom > applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. > > Steve Yes! Like Glen (prev post), I occassionally look at the src to see how something was coded; this gave my own coding abilities a boost and didn't hurt the original code a whit. Interesting how muvh we can learn from one another, isn't it? The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could steal the idea. Or get a jump on creating a clone. My experience has been that EVERY bit of commercial code could be open; people would still want/need/demand/pay-for *support*. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 17:05:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738F4106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480F88FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C5A59EBC3F; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:05:35 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: wclark@dl1.njit.edu Message-Id: <20090602130535.c0a449c2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> References: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pcre X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:05:38 -0000 In response to wclark@dl1.njit.edu: > I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating > it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap If English is your second language, you should look to see if there is a FreeBSD mailing list in your native language. Cut/pasting the actual error message into your question will also help you get better assistance. My guess would be that you don't have the php?-pcre package installed. You can use pkg_info to check this, however I can't be sure that's your actual problem from the information you've given. The documentation on installing/maintaining packages is here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 17:16:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CCA1065677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB1D8FC26 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from spool002.mac.com ([10.150.69.52]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KKM00H69FQ6C110@asmtp028.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail065 ([10.13.128.65]) by spool002.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KKM00J5OFXXGQ60@spool002.mac.com>; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:15:33 -0800 From: Peter Giessel To: Wojciech Puchar Message-id: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Received: from [69.178.5.90] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:15:33 -0800 X-Originating-IP: 69.178.5.90 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:16:59 -0000 On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 07:23AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml >> >> So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little >> more, get their link and help the project as a whole. > >That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed for a link). $417/month = $5004/year. >> Missed opportunity. >> >sure not. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 17:44:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10FB106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630AB8FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52HimD5002793; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52HikqX002790; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:44:55 -0000 >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > software as much as possible. But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be controlled - his problem. Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big brother and he does well the job he's paid for! > (ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software. Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons. I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not. Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing. It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that opera-9.64.20090302 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 17:48:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810C91065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EA28FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:48:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52HllY3003411; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:47:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52HlS9J003407; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:47:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:47:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Steve Bertrand , madunix , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:48:17 -0000 > The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could > steal the idea. There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 17:49:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC480106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925B78FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52Hmft1003419; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:48:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52HmeuE003416; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:48:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:48:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Giessel In-Reply-To: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:49:11 -0000 > I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: > > ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. > > 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year > 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year > > $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 > $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed > for a link). > > $417/month = $5004/year. You believe he will pay for 4 years? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 18:00:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E314106567B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5E48FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52I00oo003559; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:00:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52Hxtfq003556; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:59:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:59:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:00:36 -0000 >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > software as much as possible. I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being first two. The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to others but you do get a source. It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it's not common. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 18:24:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E921065678 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0558FC23 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:24:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n52IMVG4024078; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:22:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n52IMUSO024077; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:22:30 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602182230.GA24045@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:24:42 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:44:46PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > >>other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > >YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > >and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > >software as much as possible. > > But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be > controlled - his problem. > > Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big > brother and he does well the job he's paid for! I am, -- on my machines. What someone else does is there problem unless it spreads to my stuff. > >(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) > > I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software. I know, but I picked that as my example. ////jerry > > Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons. > > I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not. > > Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows > down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing. > > It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that > opera-9.64.20090302 > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 18:24:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE96106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EE5B8FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 5421 invoked by uid 89); 2 Jun 2009 18:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2009 18:25:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:24:59 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050801050209080901070806" Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:24:53 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050801050209080901070806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody >> could >> steal the idea. > > There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. Yes, I agree. I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific applications that require Windows to run. The rest of the applications on my workstation are open source win32 apps. Visio is the main one. I've been told that there are alternatives to Visio that will run on *nix. However, the alternatives either: - take more time (time * salary) to get configured than the cost of the software - take more time (time * salary) to familiarize myself with the alternative than the cost of the software - don't provide certain functionality that I need ISPs are very dynamic in nature. From my experience in both the enterprise and ISP environments, enterprise need to stay focused on stability, whereas the ISP needs to be more adaptive to new technologies. In the enterprise, I've found that it is by far more cost effective to run almost exclusively on commercial software. The number of IT staff is kept to a minimum, and let's face it, it's easier/cheaper to find an employee with a Windows background than it is someone who has extensive real-world open source operations experience. Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to communicate directly with the developers. Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up experience running an MTA on FreeBSD (and understand the logs etc), you will undoubtedly be able to fudge your way through troubleshooting an Exchange server, it will just take a bit of time to know where to click. The reverse is not really true (from my experience). Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly. 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Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DEC8FC29 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52IQjRe018751; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:26:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52IQj5w018748; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:26:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:26:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090602182230.GA24045@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090602182230.GA24045@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:26:55 -0000 >> >> But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be >> controlled - his problem. >> >> Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big >> brother and he does well the job he's paid for! > > I am, -- on my machines. but you want to be the owner of your computer. But most people - as they acts show - prefer to be owned. And micro-soft (and others) just give what they want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 18:30:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924A210656D9 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD878FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52IUi26019681; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:30:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52IUhmb019674; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:30:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:30:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:30:53 -0000 >> There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. > > Yes, I agree. > > I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific > applications that require Windows to run. You don't have to explain - you use because you want to :) that's all. > Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is > key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to > communicate directly with the developers. > > Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you > learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up But this is not because of open source. Some closed source too - allows you or even motivates to understand things. And some open source apps - try to prevent you from understanding anything. It's depend of certain product, NOT only the fact of source availability. > Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly. Depends of program. There are as much open source crap as closed source. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 18:38:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E8D106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DD18FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C912916C02D9; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n52IcYf5001568; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:38:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Martin Badie Message-Id: <20090602203833.4cee5c80.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a binary package update X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:38:41 -0000 On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > I have package-1.0 installed and want to update to package-2.0 > using package-2.0.tbz package file. This binary package is at > /var/tmp/packages/All. I have no /usr/ports directory > > export PKG_PATH=/var/tmp/packages/All > export PKG_FETCH=/usr/bin/false > > portupgrade -PP postgresql-server > > ** Port directory not found: databases/postgresql83-server > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > - databases/postgresql83-server (port directory error) > > Do I need to have /usr/ports/ installed on that system? If you want to use portupgrade - yes, I think so. > I just want to upgrade to package-2.0.tbz without having > anything related to Ports ( /usr/ports) on my systems? Just > like a rpm -Uhv package-2.0.rpm on Linux. Can someone > enlighten me on how to do that with portupgrade? As far as I understand, not possible. Portupgrade is not the tool to do this. > Or maybe with another tool on FreeBSD? Yes, as I said, pkg_add is used for this. You can even use it to overwrite the installed package (pkg_add -f). In order to achieve what I thought you intend to do, use the script I attached to you. It will download all the packages required. Then, transfer them to the other machine, and use pkg_add with the file name of the package you want to install. It will usually overwrite everything with the "wrong" version number that still does exist. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:00:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614B2106567D for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:00:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madunix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601A8FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madunix@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2025090fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:00:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GvghJiGnyg0EnuX4mGLYHAW4hwTNkCDmVy/mOL+FDRY=; b=WPP5pvRrsyn+CsfSjeV6P35OI8xCWnZpNJ6YvaFI3QGIU6u7hhjCnhktO8T4Tnmork 5B+MF3PtiL0q8tTKzblE68ksCaEjuoHMCuIiIqzWBCBEwrANhB3L4zaKBPpuO0hQcRra eK3PRQL5A0Nkf15RZjNoi8jUKiQMpYa/c6bpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Fl+MBprvrBJxnHjBO/rCmsYg5rG71rFJgM1PrJthryQ7P4e4/gYL03KNtFiFFdii2U 3lQ/gD+vezVRLOdpHqQDoxOV+kWmmdXGpVKe7KfDdvmVjH7JssvsOksY4LF0Qz18OvdF 6VByRjbhIm6u+vVdV63VDhNTgRCdEp4YJhVCw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.11 with SMTP id w11mr60839bkn.32.1243969232301; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:00:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:00:32 +0300 Message-ID: <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> From: madunix To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:00:34 -0000 in my case i have the following: Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial UNIX as AIX) Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) Virtualization:(Wine) Web Server:(Apache) Web filtering:(Squid, dansgaurdian + blacklist) Mail System:(Qmail, Postfix, sendmail) DB:(MySQL) Scripting:(Shell/bash,Perl,PHP) Servers: IBM SystemX and SystemP, DELL SAN storage: EMC, IBM DS8000 madunix On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > madunix wrote: >> Dear Experts, >> >> I want to know out of your experience people the following, > >> 1- How open source served your businesses =C2=A0requirements? > > Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source > (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few > Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we > are all open source. > > Everything is FreeBSD. > >> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > > Pretty much everything: > > - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) > - RADIUS > - web servers > - email servers > - database servers > - backup (AMANDA) > - infrastructure config management (RANCID) > - performance graphing (MRTG) > - performance testing (iperf etc) > - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) > - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) > - communications (firefox, thunderbird) > - and hundreds more > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get o= ut. > > In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can > change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being > able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom > applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. > > Steve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:10:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D944106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5588FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52JA3G7024251; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:10:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52JA2S5024248; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:10:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:10:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: madunix In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Steve Bertrand , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:10:09 -0000 > > Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial > UNIX as AIX) > Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) > Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) > Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) > Virtualization:(Wine) wine is virtualization? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:11:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263271065737 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D938FC3F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A157E837; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:11:34 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:11:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906022111.32855.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Momchil Ivanov Subject: Re: top view different screens X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:11:36 -0000 On Tuesday 02 June 2009 07:50:34 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? > > Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), Unfortunately > no one has written them yet... > > Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall > as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the > display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the > columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to > examine the whole process list. I'd still appreciate the feature myself. sysutils/pftop has a pager, granted it's a bit more important there, but sometimes (especially on 80x25 consoles with your colo's airco breathing down your neck) it's convenient. You can work around it, by dumping output to file and loading that in your favorite editor. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:20:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C47A106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0348FC27 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C227E837 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:20:38 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:20:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906022120.36705.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: problem on a MX sendmail machine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:20:39 -0000 On Monday 01 June 2009 11:33:59 RJ45 wrote: > hello I have a FreeBSD machine > > FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD > > being a MX record with high loads. > I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. > any hints ? > thank you > > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 a) Check disk connectivity and health b) Don't let your mailserver swap: - add memory and/or - divide load over multiple machine c) Limit disk io if you cannot stop occasional swaps: - mailstore on different physical disk then queue, no swap on this disk - memory disk for logs - switch to Maildir if using mbox Mailservers are particularly bad for swapping as every new request will 100% result in one disk write (the logfile) and possible more (header file, queue body). -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:23:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8F106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FAD8FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B587E837; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:23:27 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:23:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A218479.1090207@telenix.org> In-Reply-To: <4A218479.1090207@telenix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906022123.26099.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Chuck Robey Subject: Re: Greylisting and new posters X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:23:30 -0000 On Saturday 30 May 2009 21:09:45 Chuck Robey wrote: > Probably, the only thing that really might need > another word or two is to make the services offered by FreeBSD-test list > better advertised (it does still exist, right?) People can post all the > test mail they want to that list. Nice story but don't see how it's relevant. FreeBSD greylisting is not server wide, but per destination, so the test list doesn't come into view even for "pre-greylisting". -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:35:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA65106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9735C8FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from cpe-24-167-59-175.hot.res.rr.com ([24.167.59.175] helo=RawFedDogs.net) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MBZlU-000NNk-W1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:35:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:35:24 -0500 From: Kevin Monceaux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:35:33 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> $417/month = $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:44:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968E3106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6C68FC1A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52Ji2AC017979; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id DD3FE89EAF; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1DF89EAE; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:02 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) thread-index: AcnjuWlsw/ML4eB4Q4yItoH8/vyNtAAAMrsA References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> From: "Gary Gatten" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2009 19:44:02.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AFBE300:01C9E3BA] Cc: Subject: RE: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:44:39 -0000 My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out on a plotter and hang it in my cube! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Monceaux Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> $417/month =3D $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who --=20 Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:48:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6B21065679 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034BC8FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2072768fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:x-operating-system; bh=crG1gjIS4fFslrzN3/34qZrX2sUNSh2lO5IKOCk7AaM=; b=wPPtpIt2FY249XqmubgueST8/CO13sJvDMpCGRsfMfLsp5TxfUqTrWxypk9YM5CPPi P/xnjNlDCF9MbCMRnWpcfaPl6A8SJijzZCBaakb5TIeP7G9nvftwBaDpVgopD9NcDKlF 6ac3ULci5e+mrogCrin5AbXvYIQT4Gj4FCT/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent:x-operating-system; b=Om0R3WCJelG+3vGsp+B/nhcoEOTKst5nEwYUZVN4X2vHYJ28uuNAhZ5UKjRJGtPwjS IGP3/uzVK2RVVXhfo5I2hmOVwQ8HxGNZ2mGVe+2S2SQZB0qVEwPYMcNtPYLvWIQwYnHw OgOYIDwsQffYP0MLGtL4F0OuieMkWyE/aJoac= Received: by 10.204.55.200 with SMTP id v8mr97597bkg.54.1243972100778; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.153.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 17sm8463116fxm.53.2009.06.02.12.48.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:47:56 +0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:47:56 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:48:23 -0000 Hello, list. I'm trying to set up cyrus-imapd on my host running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or cyradm) cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs with this: >tail /var/log/debug.log Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 ... ...until I stop the master process. I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it gives the same problem every time. I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. Any advices would be much appreciated. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 19:58:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CE710656F7 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF6F8FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52JwCG5044753; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:58:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52JwB7i044750; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:58:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:58:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kevin Monceaux In-Reply-To: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> Message-ID: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:58:19 -0000 > This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: > > "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in > common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They > alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if > you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." > if you say i alter the facts just tell me about "lost opportunity" of sponsoring - did i prevent anyhow FreeBSD owners to talk to this "potential sponsor" to talk with him? Maybe they even did. But it doesn't change my opinion about it's mail being something close to spam. that's all. And many people's problem here is that they just can't accept other people right to show their opinion. If it's too different from their then it's important that thread is off-topic. If it's not - it's fine. That's why i opted (and still do) for moderation. Lets eliminate ALL off-topic thread. If not - then please accept every people right to present their opinion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:08:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2B91065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A788FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2092991fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=l+zJlUiMOQ+YKzrwKMbxUa3Oxhjutcl+P4bDVStD3hY=; b=XWmfA3sPihms2U0TJ6Gc8XkJlA4NFcpRBeoMq0gOa18HJy97a1WuTHeQkv0DELp6Rb Uk5Jj596kjvUic/BeQRnKgCovensq3StGdmScneqFIh8+wUzsek/qhTTw45RyFuNj6qf Q9fVj3Vgo+7OsuzAVmy0lO/N8v8w5ucrNy0Qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EZUWZV7nLhVA7Dvl5eeXDJxkJZ56hIqNVwyJEAPjE8HfeUR5SDxwms/cS/iGKSCUzU KHJpZ997WOjGr/EpJK2vmGvzQ683KL7fYaVbq7thuny6I1M9d4ImWt9qpzBGMLXhSn6e 8q3Qtbd9UT5vBTvxL/r/nCXGvYcz7gg+acerM= Received: by 10.204.31.75 with SMTP id x11mr128179bkc.1.1243973279252; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm8961519fks.52.2009.06.02.13.07.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:07:43 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090602210743.59acb642@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: top view different screens X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:08:01 -0000 On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:34 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? > > Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), > Unfortunately no one has written them yet... > > Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as > tall as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn > the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any > of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use > ps(1) to examine the whole process list. or you can do something like top 999 |less From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:09:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D7510656C1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA4EB8FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78720 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 20:09:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=twOa4QgJq7wJ1C0Be477IGml+EDRqrZ3Et3ItUbEAWStwef6FpYiClPKyOBz/rb4s5GAIMqDXiyai/mg5QX6wz4g+6KDQ0zUWNvg7QvVJOVkt4q1IBKJ+vAwTa8sn6VTo1+Joeeq2wxWfO+zJwmH0DOJlF+YVjhF7bPfyZSHYr0= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jun 2009 13:09:34 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: DrGK3h8VM1m8hbDGcs2pNAn7H3FaKbwsA1529vFVoB6GaT5y91mYSex6aQvhGmq64.f3v3wxjhRPXwF7JYzk30cJmR6x7_oWpAz8Vjcw164cn3FZsKZcG53pWntQ9V4Ppkf49XSaZMd0gpa1BYWmylyPiBysi_moRqzFLzs5Mk4iMDoHP4eHHwY.U7KGaagWG_aVTWzZSiMhCKeb8Uto9LBG5Lwb2_Zk86wh1URaXK2ZtPWi3KfjLy86OrMTnmqqEiK_941rWAJcDXjhFCsjbCudG0MnouX0ecSO1nx6HSvOxOn1jecn3SCo4jmna6oLGp7_j.TcB.c- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:09:23 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090602160923.35253f63@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/JiKqjk2pdQcaPqwz=GIXvWx"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:09:36 -0000 --Sig_/JiKqjk2pdQcaPqwz=GIXvWx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: >My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, >so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating >threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out >on a plotter and hang it in my cube! Yes, it is from the Jan. 1977 - from The Face of Evil episode, written by Chris Boucher. I have it hanging in my office. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com To teach is to learn. --Sig_/JiKqjk2pdQcaPqwz=GIXvWx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkolhv0ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO0K+ACfUDF+zsmuZHL301D/Spow6lF1 ODIAniP6vQMQKgeoxxJT+yCDOZOSLwFv =EdEj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JiKqjk2pdQcaPqwz=GIXvWx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:12:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEE4106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C108FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2098007fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AjwXSM+O0JjYjf4rZYcma14PzBFcgk64AUWVh+5tCis=; b=Kmgw+GislrAlNzWHeZsK8X4TlN0OreO/jXHzo50PCdoTPlOk7euZahq2kCTs2TwX6Y NKzPQ+o5BJiF8V/OiKiCRDUL0jKtwQ5lepDNK0wFkdsYSlo/5d1jiMF1VREICJtuUTB3 ISvthvlIlYsoLheASVhuA7yyzl+IAWotOTr0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=orWNPZJxkLwRgGk7AQR9BD13gkH/cTsuyFFWHocZWxv7VKqzs3uNmp/odrcdsX7V5F itSxtIibHiRgrF4zltsXBtAANYYGBozsC6c6ol3PxHIVlr1aSgs8SIY7Sg6/OE6gqBW6 yt04IVh1ilIKihdIjwvfrk8LVBLy7VQwolQ6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.70 with SMTP id y6mr115344bkq.72.1243973575107; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Peter Giessel , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:12:57 -0000 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : >> I can't resist. =A0The lack of math is killing me: >> >> ONE zero. =A0ONE (1) ONE zero. >> >> 12 months/year * 50/month =3D $600/year >> 12 months/year * 100/month =3D $1200/year >> >> $600/year / $5000/year =3D 0.12 >> $1200/year / $5000/year =3D 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed >> for a link). >> >> $417/month =3D $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? > No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. Big clue: >> $417/month =3D $5004/year. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:16:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAFD106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2608FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2100891fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kYaLrQrbtJFGp5zunXq3w5yMfHirR2O3uizeVSVZ264=; b=ikTTbRAOCgfttVIdnKEjVnp3gdkTnsgJ+7Io8TLWjh2Wy2u4Oy26jtcS1XsTMDhlS5 y2ajBigOjKhhstr1Hu05SruQUayzgkz2MpwJdcH5qtrTY9im8TTx/AB0f9nuLaPS2V50 e0SLToiBKKyEUDSzDGv4x7ZSf41w+ME7aZEtE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nWxzkAt4TmF4MS/dOTMRsbARlM1eo9Tcvj3KtyvOa13t4Jz9091UwsTBXKP1jLhH0O 4eXPINaWsySyiG2bHwqxgTmRK5PKUftsSU7ZmN9rX2SiYmzPUsBoZKx86A9h4lFSvB4k mptxD06dgmR7pQujCB5EEGYwYZz9d85OrgqlI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.9 with SMTP id k9mr95145bkq.164.1243973759200; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:15:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:15:39 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Steve Bertrand , madunix , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:16:00 -0000 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial >> UNIX as AIX) >> Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) >> Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) >> Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) >> Virtualization:(Wine) > > wine is virtualization? > You're right, wine is NOT virtualization (sic). It merely implements the 'Windows' API to make it available for 'Windows' programs. There is no 'translation' or 'emulation'. This is why Wine is an acronym: Wine Is Not an Emulator. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:19:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E4D106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:19:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608288FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:19:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.0-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.0-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.0.126]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 915FD1C0847; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:19:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:19:01 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:19:04 -0000 Jeff Laine wrote: > The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever > I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or cyradm) > cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs with this: > >> tail /var/log/debug.log > > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 > ... > > ...until I stop the master process. It seems that when you try to connect with pop3 a child process is spawned as it should, but it dies unexpectedly so a new is spawned. Could it be something as simple as permissions to access the mailbox files? Rather than relying on log files, try to launch the master manually with the -D flag, it may give you a more verbose output. > I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it > gives the same problem every time. > > I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. Similar but not the same? Sounds like you should review again your config files, also, the versions of cyrus-imapd on your working installation, is that the same as the new one? Consider posting your configs in next post. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:36:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3B01065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=rBKCQGON=B5=beatsnet.com=beat.siegenthaler@beatsnet.com) Received: from atom.beatsnet.com (cl-26.zrh-01.ch.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:41e0:ff00:19::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819EF8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=rBKCQGON=B5=beatsnet.com=beat.siegenthaler@beatsnet.com) Received: from [192.168.124.200] (200-internal-wlan.beatsnet.com [192.168.124.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by atom.beatsnet.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52KaMvp027737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:36:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from beat.siegenthaler@beatsnet.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=beatsnet.com; s=ATOM_DKIM; t=1243974984; bh=v+YdeiRDJ+UQxRWjbYwV/UR7Y2MuvvZZcO++HORiQpA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R7Rp1ksGDpjRYm+CHf5B7xu/iod3gXBEaeEeKSMOut+quuzWiqubFqClB62E9RebN qAM/yFlP4fAgPU5AWkd5VuW8XV5ybqxAEU9gViXP9EsPBeGskXh9RqkHlW9JXNQE9a L2d9x/H65e7Jnd8CS0PZYZgTkg+SFTXGUbN338Gk= Message-ID: <4A258D45.90905@beatsnet.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:36:21 +0200 From: Beat Siegenthaler User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (atom.beatsnet.com [172.20.0.45]); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:36:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on atom.beatsnet.com X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at atom.beatsnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: mailman-with-htdig 2.1.12 does not build X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:36:26 -0000 Hi, the Makefile try to get the patches for 2.2.12, but the newest from www.openinfo.co.uk are still 2.1.11 => indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman. => Attempting to fetch from http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/. fetch: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. Maintainer does not answer. My three options are: - Wait - Build without htdig - Manually change Makefile for 2.1.12 Some suggestions ? Kind regards, Beat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:45:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2522106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BAE8FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52Kix9c045002; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:44:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52Kiw0Q044999; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:44:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:44:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Peter Giessel , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:45:06 -0000 >> You believe he will pay for 4 years? >> > > No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. just added option to pay by instalments From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:57:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13EB1065673 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B4A8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MBb32-0008Rl-Th for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:57:28 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MBb32-000329-9u for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:57:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Intel NIC issues Thread-Index: AcnjxImivY7jjXXWR+CPDSukRe7z+Q== From: "Graeme Dargie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:57:36 -0000 Hi all =20 Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. =20 I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm =20 Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to have dual gigabit nics on board. =20 Dmesg shows the following =20 em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 em0: [FILTER] em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 =20 fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 miibus0: on fxp0 inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 fxp0: [ITHREAD] =20 =20 Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. =20 I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong or is there something I am missing. =20 Regards =20 Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 20:59:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579791065680 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3A48FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from spool004.mac.com ([10.150.69.54]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KKM0047KQBCKR10@asmtp028.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail065 ([10.13.128.65]) by spool004.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KKM00E8IQBCJPB0@spool004.mac.com>; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:59:36 -0800 From: Peter Giessel To: Wojciech Puchar Message-id: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> Received: from [69.178.5.90] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:59:36 -0800 X-Originating-IP: 69.178.5.90 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:59:43 -0000 On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 12:44PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> You believe he will pay for 4 years? >>> >> >> No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. > >so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. >just added option to pay by instalments The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros". Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. This is not accurate. Adding less than one zero would be more than sufficient to obtain a link. Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount needed for a link is $417/month. A modest increase over what the original poster suggested, not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 21:12:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A24510656D5 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F7C8FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52LCDiL045120; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52LCCMZ045117; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:12:20 -0000 > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > em0: [FILTER] > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > or is there something I am missing. If that board would be really 2*1000Mbps, for sure producer would use 2 the same chips. Then - it's impossible that FreeBSD would detect one chip properly and other - the same - improperly. It's just wrong info. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 21:20:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09FE1065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AE58FC24 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52LKOHi045133; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:20:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52LKNqu045130; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:20:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:20:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Peter Giessel In-Reply-To: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:20:32 -0000 >> just added option to pay by instalments > > The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post > suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he > would need to "add two zeros". Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this. > Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount needed > for a link is $417/month. A modest increase over what the original poster suggested, > not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated. It would be very nice for people to just say about this at the beginning. All i suggested was that 5-10 thousands are needed to get real advert on main site, which i repeated lots of times. Finally it was confirmed! Wouldn't be much easier to just tell this instead of flamewars, attacks and using me to relieve one's personal mental problems? Not for me, as i don't care about such kind of answers, but for everyone else reading this? Or - completete nonsense - talking about lost opportunity of sponsoring. Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing list? Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will decide. Maybe if i would be the man that gives 50000$ PER YEAR i would have such a power. But i rather think not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 21:59:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E04106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:59:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2756A8FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52LxQlS089946 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:59:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <89942.1243979966.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:59:26 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:59:42 -0000 The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently possible under FreeBSD? Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:03:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DC5106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA78FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52M36ap045355; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52M36tZ045352; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:03:19 -0000 >> ... >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will >> decide. > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > where you said that you were not an owner. this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a sense of sentence. > > Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly > contributions. yes. > > >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing >> list? > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it > would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. > > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking about > the general case. You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?! Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way? If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will pay as a gift every time we post. If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement about this. Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so. But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:03:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612AE1065670 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEAE8FC0C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52M3U9d045362; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52M3Ua3045359; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:03:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Martin McCormick In-Reply-To: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:03:42 -0000 > The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an > Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently > possible under FreeBSD? grep -i oracle /usr/ports/INDEX|cut -b 1-75|more From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:07:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C321065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109EF8FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:60538 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBc8W-0005us-3f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:07:15 +0200 Received: (qmail 26265 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 00:07:09 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 3 Jun 2009 00:07:09 +0200 Received: (qmail 24572 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Jun 2009 00:07:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:07:09 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Graeme Dargie Message-ID: <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MBc8W-0005us-3f. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MBc8W-0005us-3f e9c2e81ce749dac6c1b2d19ca93601b9 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:07:20 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: > Hi all > > > > Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. > > > > I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard? As you can see if you look through their product listings ( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 ) Supermicro has several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have.. > > > > Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to > have dual gigabit nics on board. > > > > Dmesg shows the following > > > > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > em0: [FILTER] > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > > > > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > > > Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the > other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit. It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a single chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus. > > > > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > or is there something I am missing. Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have. The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be useful, but is not something we can help you doing.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:08:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5019106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCD88FC24 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52M7wZN018883; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:08:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id EB0D86FFDD; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D716FFDB; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:07:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:07:58 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:07:57 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? thread-index: AcnjzZFyG0y0kH3jTMm7fpueqM5/TgAAOzFA References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Martin McCormick" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2009 22:07:58.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[96A69F00:01C9E3CE] Cc: Subject: RE: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:08:36 -0000 Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports collection. Have you checked there? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently possible under FreeBSD? Thank you. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:09:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D908210657BD for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6319F8FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2207553fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NDGfzXqyoBmE2o7HPYbvRtUwCHMdqF/eoKq1rbn+qp4=; b=gMXx8yo+Ljy42UlAo0X1xTxVXnYg4EmMJEV1Ej24YSgSJc3PtgZ1v4ahx2qw1hVvTe FrAfLl6bKTdxQpWstegfYwC7gNcIr1L9nhuNZS+RWCytaWokOO0yFoW9m1vafxQu4nXW 8VfntIW758SiJCHefI8SiaElLTV6b1cHD3tlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YqTPYWxlVNfwSDHVpOe3cynL9qFHePVVO/yox9ClSVXHLJihcy0Shy9+8wiZf6bSw/ mM1JBSRX+/XDY+wS4DlubxuOHaf9FDei4OMqzC1jcUptBSmmqilOaGu/Y10fyaibCblB G5Ga05DUj9jWO2wvwU+casvfMwTwh8G2YibeQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.143 with SMTP id q15mr192258bkg.148.1243980571416; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:09:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:09:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:09:34 -0000 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : ... >> >>> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors >>> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing >>> list? >> >> Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they >> don't want to be a part of that community after all. =A0That's why it >> would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. >> >> I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. =A0I'm talking about >> the general case. > > You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about consequen= ces > for potential sponsoring every word we say?! > > Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way? > > If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will p= ay > as a gift every time we post. > > If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement > about this. > > Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if th= eir > words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so. > > > But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info > > "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are > punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". > Or, you could see from the attitude of the users that they don't deserve your hard earned cash, and can carry on using an underfunded operating system TO MAKE MONEY. Yes, that's you. I bet you don't talk to YOUR customers like that. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:11:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90AC10656D0 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from cork.barragry.com (cork.barragry.com [72.232.202.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA238FC17 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: by cork.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1006) id E6A901D8012; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:53:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:53:39 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:11:35 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> just added option to pay by instalments > > > > The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His > > original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. > > You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros". Adding > > "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. > > Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this. > ... > Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > decide. We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line where you said that you were not an owner. Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly contributions. > Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors > (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing > list? Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking about the general case. Like it or not, people who post on a mailing list or forum of an open source project often make or break the project and influence people's decisions to use support the project. Ubuntu's success is credited, in part, to the wonderful community. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:22:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EC41065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF678FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:22:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so4641617qwe.7 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:22:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=bmd6Und2RAQW8vM8ZgzBSV9dlue9FDdDJbT6nK/rY7w=; b=hTja6dn+g/YqUNZvqNon1Za0QqpVnq3oOtKsNRsqnuT5p9C6ZdY8SSzsMq3X8fnehJ GGEmvYKdEcJL0vp6qwR7FDVy9rMnDVl/UmHpNA1OGP/RxO3vqnP0yQWzwPIcjEADRtol lUxWv82La3dtSpXsA5AiGeFUYCRagBNf5NDzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=KmjqDhK8aJMXCfeuYEkRCWa2+x3HU+XJrYVwvHtnbFrnxOCQp79npBo30ufkBhBUPc cA+k+g+F+p69I3i5rfo7+MjIjIk8ZRoz3WxYSNIgwSquHLV8gPai0yYm3shK3YgxfS1a pu4pYXIBhM6hHAVUa7hfbFExfjbo3BBYIUFnY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr325318vck.3.1243981327164; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:22:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> From: Tim Judd Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:21:47 -0600 Message-ID: To: Erik Trulsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:22:08 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: > > Hi all > > > > > > > > Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. > > > > > > > > I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards > > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm > > Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard? > > As you can see if you look through their product listings > ( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 ) > Supermicro has > several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit > NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have.. > > > > > > > > > Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to > > have dual gigabit nics on board. > > > > > > > > Dmesg shows the following > > > > > > > > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > > > em0: [FILTER] > > > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > > > > > > > > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > > > > > > Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the > > other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. > > The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers > on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit. > > It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different > PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a > single > chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus. > > > > > > > > > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > > or is there something I am missing. > > Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have. > The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might > be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and > checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be > useful, but is not something we can help you doing.) > Using kenv smbios.system.product might be a good indication of what you have too. Good luck. Nothing like troubleshooting a piece of hardware from remote. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:33:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFD41065675 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from barium.smartt.com (mailout3.smartt.com [69.67.187.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8C78FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from [69.31.174.220] (unknown [69.31.174.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by barium.smartt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DE6B10E448 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:13:41 -0700 From: Chris St Denis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:33:26 -0000 I occasionally get named errors like these in my messages log. I've done a lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no solutions. named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources System isn't particularly heavily loaded. Load averages around 0.5, cpu averages about 90% idle, not swapping much. Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue with the nic driver (the item I read was complaining about fxp, but I have em) so here is the related info. eureka# uname -a FreeBSD eureka 6.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #1: Mon Feb 25 08:17:08 PST 2008 cstdenis@eureka:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EUREKA i386 eureka# named -v BIND 9.3.4-P1 eureka# ifconfig em1 em1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b *IPs removed* ether 00:30:48:94:0a:31 media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP status: active eureka# netstat -m 1240/2165/3405 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 1216/1290/2506/25600 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 1216/150 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) 0/0/0/0 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/0 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/0 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 2742K/3121K/5863K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total) 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k) 8/430/6656 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max) 0 requests for sfbufs denied 0 requests for sfbufs delayed 999635 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile 276104 calls to protocol drain routines How do I fix this? -- Chris St Denis Programmer SmarttNet (www.smartt.com) Ph: 604-473-9700 Ext. 200 ------------------------------------------- "Smart Internet Solutions For Businesses" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:35:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C631065687 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2F68FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52MYuSO045524; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:34:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52MYuBc045521; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:34:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:34:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:35:06 -0000 > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. If someone needs to "feel good", "feel the spirit" instead of good software etc... Let's better use Ubuntu or whatever. Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with every potential new user. This keeps the system's quality high. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:46:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BABF106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from cork.barragry.com (cork.barragry.com [72.232.202.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4618FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: by cork.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1006) id E01721D8012; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:46:22 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:46:23 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ... > >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > >> decide. > > > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > > where you said that you were not an owner. > > this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed > - completely changes a sense of sentence. I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. > >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors > >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing > >> list? > > > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that > > they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's > > why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. > > > > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking > > about the general case. > > You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about > consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?! > > Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some > way? > > If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people > will pay as a gift every time we post. > > If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add > statement about this. Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, yet not yield to demands made on us by others. > Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think > if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think > so. They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD to succeed because it is, in many ways, superior to all of the alternatives. As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. > But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list > info > > "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team > are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". More absurdity. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:46:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0B0106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826338FC20 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52MkKpo045562; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:46:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52MkKGC045559; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:46:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:46:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris St Denis In-Reply-To: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> Message-ID: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:46:25 -0000 > lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no > solutions. > > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP packet and get's error from kernel. possible reasons - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect. > > Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue with no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:47:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACC81065679 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7A18FC26 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A07E837; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:47:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:47:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906030047.34680.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Subject: Re: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:47:39 -0000 On Sunday 31 May 2009 15:23:34 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Hi: > > I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled > with BDB 4.3. > > Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to > migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a > newer version of BDB. > > Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? > > The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at > sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such > information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? The big page @ oracle is here: Additional info and details: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470084 -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:53:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13696106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:53:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@ccstores.com) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [209.53.238.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE278FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@ccstores.com) Received: from [209.53.237.85] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBcW2-00006l-3Q; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:31:34 -0700 Message-ID: <4A25A843.6060907@ccstores.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:31:31 -0700 From: Jim Pazarena User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (85) Subject: at/batch subsystem time limit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:53:36 -0000 Is there a upper execution (or real) time limit that the system enforces on at jobs? I have an at job which would run for at least two hours .. IF it would run to completion, but it always seems to die for unknown reasons. I do not get an email or any advice of the reason the job has terminated. So I was thinking that there may be a kernel timer which kills the job. is this possible? -- Jim Pazarena fquest@ccstores.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:55:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E455D106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from cork.barragry.com (cork.barragry.com [72.232.202.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D608FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: by cork.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 81FF31D8012; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:55:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:55:32 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:55:33 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:34:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it > > Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? > > I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. > > If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said > before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't > matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. > You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is desirable, in general. If a person needs good unix, but they don't learn well by reading technical documentation, a good community can be highly beneficial. Personally, I wouldn't want to discriminate against users for this. > Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not > possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with > every potential new user. I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant tone would be nice. An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM. Another example (which I have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable threads into flamewars. > This keeps the system's quality high. I politely disagree. I doubt that a harsh community does anything to maintain a high-quality system. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:55:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00461065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929468FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52MtTq0045625; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52MtS4b045622; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:55:39 -0000 >> this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed >> - completely changes a sense of sentence. > > I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely resistible to misreading. >> >> If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add >> statement about this. > > Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present > ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? > > A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, There is some difference between responding kindly, and shutting up being aware that your opinion may be not accepted by potential new users. If you are for the second - you propose that any "non-standard" opinion should not be presented. Actually - this way FreeBSD should cease to exist, because it's based on non-standard opinions about how operating system should be done - contrary to "standard" which define things like micro-soft windows. >> Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think >> if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think >> so. > > They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD > to succeed because it is Why you want it to succeed? IT ALREADY DID! You should want it only to be kept that way - keeping the quality. > , in many ways, superior to all of the > alternatives. No - in many ways it does not have alternatives at all. > As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in > a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in > FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. And i do - when the answer is clearly readable in manual. So i help reader can both get answer to his question and learn how to use man(1) >> "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team >> are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". > > More absurdity. Really no sense of humour? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:01:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC430106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06738FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52N1hOI045679; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:01:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52N1hWc045676; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:01:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:01:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:01:54 -0000 >> matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. >> You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. > > Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where > support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. > > Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is > desirable, in general. Definitely is. It saves our time and their time. > but they don't learn well by reading technical documentation Then he/she don't need unix, or at least will not ever be able to use it without ability to read the documentation. >> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not >> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with >> every potential new user. > > I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant > tone would be nice. Mine too. What i really don't like here sometimes are lack of discussion, just agressive answers from some people. > An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't > seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM. No it isn't if you point out WHICH manual - which i always do. > Another example (which I > have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable > threads into flamewars. Maybe they enjoy, but usually - they just can't resist different opinions and start to attack personally. > >> This keeps the system's quality high. > > I politely disagree. I doubt that a harsh community does anything to > maintain a high-quality system. Why harsh? I don't understand you here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:05:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578B8106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE3658FC18 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 17241 invoked by uid 89); 2 Jun 2009 23:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2009 23:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:05:13 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000805000108080200090307" Subject: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:05:07 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000805000108080200090307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near max CPU and mem usage. When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing an 'outage-like' situation. Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the night, but I want to run it now. What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where other programs and their children can't respond? 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Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikes@siralan.org) Received: from arvo.suso.org (arvo.suso.org [66.244.94.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD318FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikes@siralan.org) Received: from c-98-220-3-224.hsd1.in.comcast.net (c-98-220-3-224.hsd1.in.comcast.net [98.220.3.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arvo.suso.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D0D88057; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael L. Squires" X-X-Sender: mikes@familysquires.net To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Martin McCormick , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:06:50 -0000 On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Gary Gatten wrote: > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > collection. Have you checked there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin > McCormick > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? > > The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an > Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently > possible under FreeBSD? > > Thank you. > > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > Systems Engineer > OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux emulation in /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient- This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client. I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't test them extensively. There are also what appear to be older native clients from the Oracle 7 and 8 days, including an Oracle ODBC client. A search of the freebsd-databases mailing list might turn up something. I've been peeking at Talend's Open Studio which appears to be a very powerful tool for working with databases, including Oracle. This may be trying to shoot a mouse with a 155mm self-propelled gun, however. Talend is open source and there are Linux binaries which may run under FreeBSD Linux emulation. Mike Squires From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:09:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DAF106564A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90D18FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2249912fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mcORHFbTvn5Ph9Ro+r+BhDKLUptB9xV6Al5OQxLaM4g=; b=wT0pAIEtasOdg5e6zpZGI9d6jO8dY/gI4Tba7/l4J36TCBXltipky1GD1Bas9ok9n7 YMYYbeYIWJ4n708MjQ973TjJ9YFx7jEhnJ6ZCdSJkhuArCR99+zM8EbULleT50P8PWvd oyrwr2ponsTfNLquEtwmr84aXHJQ+pZG5EEqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CrNvL13qTkdMuDp66pY7dMlQGkSdf6nlMHHIKG6fBalxAY063MUaVzf8KraUdhnRWI 1jE9U9038oEKEn+gYozYVTAzo6gnQmVCJ96WuaVgdEU8xfutv+C0jKrrNbhCc8zoG5Gq QnjYjr02o0Br9aOUCQ+F8yvHIinP7GDhzBSjU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.97.204 with SMTP id m12mr229587bkn.185.1243984173250; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Steve Bertrand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:09:35 -0000 Hi Steve On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near > max CPU and mem usage. > > When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing > an 'outage-like' situation. > > Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the > night, but I want to run it now. > > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? > You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:11:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279C106568A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8278FC12 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52NB34e045742; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:11:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52NB39E045739; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:11:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:11:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:11:08 -0000 > When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing > an 'outage-like' situation. > > Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the > night, but I want to run it now. > > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? generally single program could not make that - FreeBSD schedules tasks well. in certain cases it may be like that. For example - programs that runs for long time constantly and uses CPU gets automatically "downgraded" so your newly run backup task can make them really out of CPU power. man nice will help you - get your backup program priority down. Actually i don't know if "downgrading" (called autorenice) can be disabled for certain processes. If would make sense for - say - database servers. Anyone know? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:12:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA0810656CD for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikes@siralan.org) Received: from arvo.suso.org (arvo.suso.org [66.244.94.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB658FC27 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikes@siralan.org) Received: from c-98-220-3-224.hsd1.in.comcast.net (c-98-220-3-224.hsd1.in.comcast.net [98.220.3.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arvo.suso.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D8B88057; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael L. Squires" X-X-Sender: mikes@familysquires.net To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090602190148.B16783@familysquires.net> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:12:04 -0000 > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > Using kenv smbios.system.product might be a good indication of what you > have too. > Running "kenv smbios.system.product" on two of my machines with Supermicro motherboards gives me "P4SSE" and "P4DC6" which are both correct. I know Supermicro has made variants of boards for vendors; for example, I have a P4DC6 which has no RAID card slot (the solder pads are there, not the card connector) although this is alleged to be a standard feature of the P4DC6 in the Supermicro manual. I have a 1U server (the P4SSE) with a "bge" gigabit Ethernet NIC; rather than fight with the cards issues I installed an Intel PCI-X gigabit card, cost $15. Now that the "bge" problems appear to be solved I may go back to it, however. (The Intel NIC uses an internal riser which allows for one card). If your vendor promised you two gigabit NICs this may be the cheap solution (other than replacing the motherboard). I'm using Intel Pro/1000 and Pro/100 cards exclusively, except in a notebook, and I've never found FreeBSD to incorrectly identify the card. Mike Squires From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:12:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029401065677 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A62D68FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 17541 invoked by uid 89); 2 Jun 2009 23:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2009 23:13:00 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:12:26 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090401060005090904030007" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:12:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090401060005090904030007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glen Barber wrote: > Hi Steve > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near >> max CPU and mem usage. >> >> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing >> an 'outage-like' situation. >> >> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the >> night, but I want to run it now. >> >> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it >> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where >> other programs and their children can't respond? >> > > You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and > bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. Thanks Glen, I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it might ease-up on all system aspects. 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Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from barium.smartt.com (mailout3.smartt.com [69.67.187.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A168FC16 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from [69.31.174.220] (unknown [69.31.174.220]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by barium.smartt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 931F810E52B; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:17:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:17:29 -0700 From: Chris St Denis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:17:28 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no >> solutions. >> >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources > > quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send > UDP packet and get's error from kernel. > > > possible reasons > - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. Nope eureka# ipfw list 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 65534 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so i don't think it's a hardware problem. > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. > > i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect. > >> >> Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an >> issue with > > no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc.. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Chris St Denis Programmer SmarttNet (www.smartt.com) Ph: 604-473-9700 Ext. 200 ------------------------------------------- "Smart Internet Solutions For Businesses" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:19:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0742106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1C28FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MBdGp-0009vq-E0; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:56 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FEF2F5E3B5; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:49 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:19:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: >> Hi Steve >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near >>> max CPU and mem usage. >>> >>> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing >>> an 'outage-like' situation. >>> >>> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the >>> night, but I want to run it now. >>> >>> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it >>> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where >>> other programs and their children can't respond? >>> >> You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and >> bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. > > Thanks Glen, > > I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a > disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it > might ease-up on all system aspects. > > Cheers, > > Steve Hi Steve, I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. I finally switched to idprio(1): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch idprio 31 mysqldump ..... will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. 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(steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 2 Jun 2009 23:26:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25B4FB.4040003@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:25:47 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030907050002050608020901" Cc: Glen Barber , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:25:39 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030907050002050608020901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greg Larkin wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a >> disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it >> might ease-up on all system aspects. > I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. I > finally switched to idprio(1): > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch > > idprio 31 mysqldump ..... > > will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any > further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. Ok that looks promising. I will give that a try and see how it goes. Before I ask how mysqldump works, I'll have to do some research on when/how/if/how long it holds the db tables unreadable/unwritable during it's process, if it does it at all. 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Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EBC8FC28 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2259849fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:27:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LBrBoHNQ2ourQ4XfZooh0VYTiBxRO6tLbyGlv23hW+Y=; b=kDIK5Gh4Vcye78iYAZMcWbfbF3eQE7GfrJ/o3I/IFuxbQk9yIMHmvMoi7XkVImoIuR DMTogRtntMiuEha2mLg5ibWO3lDrFqbuOWrD2eZacGC1Fa5xhKkAnHOqQbDLmTptv0el nB8pkwyAoZHlPd4BIWRk2LEaQNQFN14VxCwGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DaQu36iXv9jKYEmGw24Z9jQ8qdXWO/B2/MUxX4ee7FghmE5kCyws1flOLb2eFQh0NX dIngF9F4LOQTlB3k2kvoxojgXxOlvvGiBAgEqDXeme1HdNm7E6AALP9LM07PVDwODUyX g3gIfXrh91VSASm+DpuGMejiINdLAJZ+4sSW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.135 with SMTP id x7mr267143bkh.95.1243985255256; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:27:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906021627l72ccc95crd07b264f49a283ed@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: glarkin@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Steve Bertrand , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions -" Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:27:38 -0000 Greg, On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Greg Larkin wrote: > > I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. =A0I > finally switched to idprio(1): > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Didprio&sourceid=3Dopensearch > > idprio 31 mysqldump ..... > > will run only when other processes are idle. =A0That should prevent any > further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. > Very cool. I'll have to add that to my toolbox. :) --=20 Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 23:49:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13F8106566C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (brucec-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c09::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7C28FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAC219261; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:49:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from gluon.draftnet (unknown [IPv6:2a01:348:10f:0:240:f4ff:fe57:9871]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:49:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:49:14 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:49:22 -0000 On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > > technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is > > simple: I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > > ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, > > in itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at > > troubleshooting my own code. > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close > to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed > to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source developers will resort to sneaky tactics: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 00:16:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E4106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081C18FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MBe9F-0004xY-L6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:16:05 +0100 Received: from [94.168.153.236] (helo=Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MBe9F-00069P-8H for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:14:43 +0100 Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Intel NIC issues Thread-Index: AcnjxImivY7jjXXWR+CPDSukRe7z+QAG5asA From: "Graeme Dargie" To: "Graeme Dargie" , Cc: Subject: RE: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:16:07 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Dargie [mailto:arab@tangerine-army.co.uk]=20 Sent: 02 June 2009 21:56 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Intel NIC issues I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens from there. Regards Graeme=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 00:19:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE1A1065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f199.google.com (mail-px0-f199.google.com [209.85.216.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102EA8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by pxi37 with SMTP id 37so562556pxi.3 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:19:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9BCjqkT+uJQ4xMwMLpWOmJkBDc1S9go4LFliP5F9jvg=; b=idqVf6XE4wGQhy652cIAgA5juK3M/ncL+b8u8Rg1ET+Szaj9Izo2zpbNa050ViLIQw mgHUjSZwY7x8tD1hcSBfRXi16GyYTEwSAU41y1oGCUZNY7q1qSypSZQ9rsaWzM/CLKgr e31a6IvSpT92Se6KOpiO+ND27JZ9yrCUoTPAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PnQJdCiSDUPrPuvCLxr3uHwVn5/lKZ2xD0SKEJkDckpfwdAWBi3f2qkA8kPW3BZew5 Kfm0sp6bfVgOO8W8AsMcpFZtd2DnB39xfqr7eqf8oCNa3nhhTgDJS1NZ8AoZx118mPTy PFUyvQ7c9ot35oWN+3FyWYePuRn/1EOrth23c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.155.8 with SMTP id c8mr114360wfe.324.1243988348775; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:19:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:19:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: madunix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:19:10 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 08:12, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, That's an incorrect assumption! Heh. No expert me... > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses =C2=A0requirements? Low cost implementations of useful tools for spam/virus mitigation and network monitoring, plus a network gateway. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? Maia Mailguard (including postfix, mysql, clamav, spamassassin), ntop, netdisco, mrtg, nagios and a few others. Built a gateway/router with a whitebox, FreeBSD and 3 dual-port NICS to segregate our production network from our test/dev networks. Built a router with a Sangoma card and a white box for our DS3 and T1 connections. > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? In what sense do you ask? > Your input would be really appreciated. Turn about is fair play, methinks. For what purpose(s) are you asking the question? Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 00:38:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625801065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:38:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D16A58FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:38:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 20816 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2009 00:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 00:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:38:43 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris St Denis References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000403070500080709030902" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:38:35 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000403070500080709030902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris St Denis wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> possible reasons >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > > Nope > > eureka# ipfw list > >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > > I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so > i don't think it's a hardware problem. > >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for > some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the > limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? > > The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak > hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on this. What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) anyways. Does this device show any collisions? Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem is triggered): # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap ...and then: # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an authoritative server? What else runs on this box? If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log entries pile up faster? What does: # netstat -s -p udp say? I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether it's an inherent problem with the system. 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(steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 00:49:48 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25C88A.4020702@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:49:14 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Cran References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060701010807090208090008" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:49:06 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060701010807090208090008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars To the OPs original question(s), I stand by my beliefs in open source, in that: - FreeBSD and other OSS has been the fundamental foundation of our business - FreeBSD and other OSS can be trusted, so long as there are lists such as this where users can aggregate and discuss the software in a professional manner One more point: - if a mainstream OSS project decides to make a sudden architectural change within their development/licensing policy, users such as myself will find out about it on lists such as this, long before I'd hear about the same sort of tactic regarding commercial software Due to the latter point, if the rumblings of significant (unwanted) change are prevalent, it's easy enough to fork off, and continue to use the last favourable version available ;) Steve --------------ms060701010807090208090008 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; 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(steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 00:51:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25C8DB.1080908@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:50:35 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris St Denis References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060003050503080907080501" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:50:30 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060003050503080907080501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Bertrand wrote: > Chris St Denis wrote: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> possible reasons >>> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. >> Nope >> >> eureka# ipfw list >> >>> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) >> I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so >> i don't think it's a hardware problem. >> >>> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. >> Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for >> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >> >> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. > > The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on > this. > > What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it > possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) > anyways. Does this device show any collisions? > > Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem > is triggered): > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap ...meh, that should be: # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap Steve --------------ms060003050503080907080501 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII/zCC AtowggJDoAMCAQICEEs5xg/J3t77QWJ4SatV1HcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDUwNzIzMTYxMFoX DTEwMDUwNzIzMTYxMFowQjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjEfMB0G CSqGSIb3DQEJARYQc3RldmVAaWJjdGVjaC5jYTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCC 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(steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 00:55:37 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25C9E7.9050000@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:55:03 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris St Denis References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> <4A25C8DB.1080908@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A25C8DB.1080908@ibctech.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050201030202020400020700" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:54:54 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050201030202020400020700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Bertrand wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Chris St Denis wrote: >>> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> possible reasons >>>> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. >>> Nope >>> >>> eureka# ipfw list >>> >>>> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) >>> I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so >>> i don't think it's a hardware problem. >>> >>>> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. >>> Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for >>> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >>> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >>> >>> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >>> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. >> The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on >> this. >> >> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it >> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) >> anyways. Does this device show any collisions? >> >> Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem >> is triggered): >> >> # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap > > ...meh, that should be: > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap Ok. Perhaps I'm getting too old to try to recollect from memory. One more try (tested ;) pearl# tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 -w /var/log/dns.pcap port 53 and proto 17 Sorry! 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Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from barium.smartt.com (mailout3.smartt.com [69.67.187.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34F28FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from [192.168.69.100] (erx208b165110.smarttadsl.com [69.31.165.110]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by barium.smartt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68A3710E495; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A25CC86.90509@smartt.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:06:14 -0700 From: Chris St Denis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:06:19 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Chris St Denis wrote: > >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>> possible reasons >>> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. >>> >> Nope >> >> eureka# ipfw list >> >> >>> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) >>> >> I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so >> i don't think it's a hardware problem. >> >> >>> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. >>> >> Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for >> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >> >> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. >> > > The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on > this. > > What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it > possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) > anyways. Does this device show any collisions? > This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact switch specs but it's likely a layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've left it at 10 because I haven't had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem. > Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem > is triggered): > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap > > ...and then: > > # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap > I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or raising the port speed doesn't fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this. > Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an > authoritative server? > An authoritative for some moderately busy domains. Also recursive for some jails on this and another server (main recursive is on a private (10.0.0.0/24 on em0) network, and this server predates multi-ip jails) A "tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 port 53 > packets.txt" for 1 minute shows eureka# wc -l packets.txt 359 packets.txt So about 350 dns packets a minute, at least in this particular minute. Less than I expected, I guess most is going to the other dns server at the moment. > What else runs on this box? > Web hosting. Thats where the full 10mbps comes from. > If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log > entries pile up faster? > > What does: > > # netstat -s -p udp > eureka# netstat -s -p udp udp: 194973570 datagrams received 0 with incomplete header 13 with bad data length field 884 with bad checksum 68521 with no checksum 669174 dropped due to no socket 17 broadcast/multicast datagrams dropped due to no socket 733 dropped due to full socket buffers 0 not for hashed pcb 194302749 delivered 195188906 datagrams output Fyi, if these are since last reboot, this server has been up 381 days. > say? > > I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test > and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether > it's an inherent problem with the system. > Yes, I'll deal with this, then reply again if the problem is not resolved. Thanks for the suggestions. > Steve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 01:06:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6081A106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CF78FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so4690760qwe.7 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=/sj7oe4ckmC4V+dMl/832moVaVJtkT+NO1ZZZkAvJWI=; b=SWNjJB899YVXFDvrMJ76k2T6+X3XS2mgr3r2Y4tbIJli32oOkWMWT1BxKbdRspQL/U ywW2KUEyRaW90q1r8r0vR5y24dFhT3ufYUzpp7YH1SsazkdXMxaom0FD5QtZCEg+uecs q7j7o1nYu/b+tudRQdgHlmcuFmgLpJyezXJiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=xPpLRAO70l4gbEHc0R9ie0GprMybx9vA/2cDmK8P2lgLMbTB2ypzOe6JcGLvVRgFEq cxazlQQahwKvw0R6R+5c2oBVhYqrCCWJ8CLRlxmKwaBK2IYQJJeM8dGrFQb7u2kHHFFl NWri2tGSnfrgTRUhMpyLsFhOlz8o1yd3U9UOQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.81.74 with SMTP id w10mr451212vck.29.1243991179207; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> From: Tim Judd Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:05:59 -0600 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:06:20 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no >> solutions. >> >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> > > quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP > packet and get's error from kernel. > > > possible reasons > - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. Not logically. If the firewall were to block it, we would not (except by logging) see any error. The error we're seeing is the inability to send the packet, such as the Tx or Rx buffer in the ethernet card is full and can't store another item in the queue > > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > a 1000Mbit card on a 10Mbit link can have problems. A 100/10Mbit card on a 10Mbit doesn't have the same problems. Had that problem in past jobs. > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > Given the OPs later response that he's reaching the 10Mbit capacity, this is very likely, and would be the first thing I'd check out. Given that you're unable to send the packets, I'd say the NICs Tx buffer is full due to a network link at capacity, so the NIC driver is returning an error when it tries to queue the packet in the buffers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 01:10:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51EA106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f105.google.com (mail-qy0-f105.google.com [209.85.221.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0488FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so12826517qyk.3 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=XB+sxgWP/oogrr8NN/Jjhp/cdqjFYTJi3lfokY0Jeyo=; b=qIrQIb7ObrRBMBAJPKhKwiTaHFRDo2KlR3UuD51ULkstOLJkEZH5m+jcxr0kn+hpHy mKzLuCvJwZ4t7IfDuRV5cOi0OIogXl4We3rgapMGw6vPCmt6gv1UPhcUH7hQEgFpUVFv mWJSLvih4WDN8E2L1qlQNSxjUIBeuAtpAsPgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=d+WsKSV4JMPzIvAH37JRMkye4bM1PXkh3vo27k6svjhYHb192UMpOR/CD/1g5757Bc +XDvELkYisyIQTTZPxAFVG42Io3p+cq7Apury9qcbOaNCn8wQ/bG/ZB2h7Ir8DnZTnSQ zH/M/lozHuDhX5fORYXn4OhCCSfSHq6y2YIqE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.17 with SMTP id e17mr475567vck.3.1243991413657; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:10:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> From: Tim Judd Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:09:53 -0600 Message-ID: To: Chris St Denis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:10:16 -0000 - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. >> > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for > some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the > limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? > If you extend the SOA record to extend the refresh/TTL etc, you can lighten the load, until that refresh hits again. There is no solution other than to bump up the bandwidth, it seems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 01:15:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04CD106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3716D8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so869760fga.12 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:15:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ooh4FLbG9AYxYCPt/R+lmyfkZFG7l8vmMPktU7op3oM=; b=Cfv6URWUPPCGmA6koBF1172FcFOO3EyReJXnKNOWXPv1ASmIZyDt2zFR72woDoozd/ S+6ecXWxwt0dPvyPITxlE5fvQ8h/8h7SzdwEhpbxrEtA5QUlDzFeNLpBvgPwUZB6+bpP /HKzEZCTnrfVuQT+Bb1xKjk9s/p/tnycy2QIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hfh/m0H85yLLYNKr9jwR/Btf04JtHZgA+5baou+KJvmvqhGshkFb7p1ZHAR4arPky0 DlT2z7YAtPyRyRAJQT5Gp6KkssZ5uL8AoYLQ+lPNj39xH84Ar9G5PP7L+BOvkNtVxS7P UQKwIjETwCbvji7KTiI8qRBfXwGqlmxTcbbpg= Received: by 10.86.36.11 with SMTP id j11mr490442fgj.56.1243991700255; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm823345fgg.3.2009.06.02.18.14.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:14:26 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090603021426.67acd729@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:15:01 -0000 On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:49 -0400 Greg Larkin wrote: > I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. > I finally switched to idprio(1): > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch > > idprio 31 mysqldump ..... > > will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any > further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. IIRC idprio can actually make things worse under heavy load, because it can lead to priority inversion. I think that's why you have to be root to set it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 01:19:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFA1106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12EEC8FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:19:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 22491 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2009 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 01:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25CFA1.50104@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:19:29 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris St Denis References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> <4A25CC86.90509@smartt.com> In-Reply-To: <4A25CC86.90509@smartt.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020501060907050001020907" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:19:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020501060907050001020907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris St Denis wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it >> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) >> anyways. Does this device show any collisions? >> > This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact > switch specs but it's likely a > layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. Do you force 10Mb on your NIC, or do you auto-negotiate that? Perhaps before you pay a higher fee, your colo centre could allow you to connect to a 100Mb port (with perhaps some traffic policing) so you, as a client, could quickly verify if you want to scale up to their next tier without having to spend these up-front costs on troubleshooting this back-asswards. > I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've > left it at 10 because I haven't > had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem. Tell the colo that. Tell them you need to test their next tier of service! >> # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap >> > I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or > raising the port speed doesn't > fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this. ...one more time, don't attempt to throttle your own traffic to troubleshoot what looks like a throughput bottleneck. Start with the collocation provider. They should, for free, allow you to have a testing period with their next service tier. Hopefully, they can do it without having to swap your Ethernet cable into another device. If it works during the test, then a small 'migration' and monthly upgrade fee would be acceptable (if they choose). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:40:09 -0000 Aloha, Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can post fine to test. I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. Can you check for me please. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 03:03:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8517C106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B7AB8FC25 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 26131 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2009 02:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 3 Jun 2009 02:57:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A25E66E.30006@ibctech.ca> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:56:46 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Plant References: <4A25E288.6@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4A25E288.6@hdk5.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090601040605090507090803" Cc: mailman-owner@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Is gray listing blocking my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:03:18 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090601040605090507090803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Plant wrote: > Aloha, > > Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can > post fine to test. > I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts > blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. > Can you check for me please. I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:07:17 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Al Plant wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can >> post fine to test. >> I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts >> blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. >> Can you check for me please. > > I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message. > > Steve > Same here. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 03:20:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFE0106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 03:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B13C8FC30 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 03:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so4599517ywe.13 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:20:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cLkhmppZSw3O1hjzT0k5lGhJ6TmUcy5z25GAKBALFSk=; b=oGzcIa3Soq2IVsJNEJr/V06yUo9bh+g58rLwwXRDJa7iPdqAISYqv17O71M5ADMMem JKTr41J/y1r8ZuiRucpLFvWIebYPwjaGI1U4DHqIh8fK6dU/6VtuNJInkZzunl954RPe 6816f+XSnM+UW3ZN5PcTnnPEtJcrCiXzKVGZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=leBY//CuTShj4WOSCcmoGR8CPWt5VTBAKeApfg6phgF5tK+SoMakOUD+AMGLwQDn/f uAVLguYo3JF25dqkhB35viexk2+Jc6bzFM7JlgWGZQGL5+v5QbGFpDSqT/NSODax8P02 WXoaIawJkE50IJGqdAd+Pjyr7Mi90pYph5qgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.111.13 with SMTP id o13mr913043ybm.259.1243995350381; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:45:50 +0530 Message-ID: <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> From: Anuj Singh To: madunix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:20:15 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses =A0requirements? Better performance, stability & savings. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql, apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is far far better than the any other $MS based server. > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Satisfaction. Easy support available, there are many great people who can always help you out, you don't have to sit and wait for the support from a bunch of people, where you really can't get what's happening, you don't have the code. Open source Do as it says. It's wonderful, and as good as it's user. > > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > Thanks & Regards Anuj Singh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 04:32:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE481106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A24C8FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MBi8v-0006AB-89; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:32:01 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n534W0Ld007276; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:32:00 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 75C65FCA505; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:31:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:31:55 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Stefan Miklosovic Message-ID: <20090603043155.GA79586@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Miklosovic , FreeBSD Questions References: <20090602160112.GA76243@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:32:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: shell script port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:32:07 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:42:56PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > > Hi, Hi Stefan, > > > > If you don't fancy porting it yourself, I'd be happy to have a go at > > porting it for you. > > > > I want to port a more complex piece of software to FreeBSD but I > > wouldn't mind starting on a simple port first so as to familiarise > > myself with the porting process. > > > > > > That program should be my result of project in > school in next months. it is not necessary > to port it, but it would be nice to show up that > I am able to do so :) Best of luck with that! Don't be bashful (groan...pun intended) make sure you post any questions to questions@ and ports@. Even though it's for school, part of building software is collaboration which means asking others questions when you get stuck, amongst other things. > > If that program was successfull, i would like > to maintain it as long as possible, just for fun. Good. I hope your script is useful to others > > I read porters handbook briefly, I have never ported so > it will be quite interesting. porters handbook open in browser, your Makefile open in an editor of your choice and an example Makefile open in less(1) and you shouldn't go too far wrong. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 05:17:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566571065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlilly@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D308FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlilly@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so4638531ana.13 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:17:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=P1+HxdxSKajTYjGqt2ob5mvP0S2ftA9ClxTehMYzc6c=; b=VADL/XI9g/jYUPTX79r8wg5/uHSPyAqbU/Qk0Zww7El0+v3kXJX2K2fKYP7RJs+LTG d2QwkvrIWdVDf6mwe6TaUuf3c8ks20Mapr9jn+xOiJwsSpYcEqHNkF9p3hfg7lySVSaN UZBrIEWaMAUoWxFZhbY1hnYINE14r/PIAaavI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=aGrl2AeQiJIrDTvRInOBIsIESgkPHdj+GqhBHhOZmk6h4PTxXpjkpsjgUM47l/yQfi XVUF7wWKvDWfKl/da7yC1qOqqzBQXi1MduLtrMTj87yTP7ufQmaXsTM8v7qD/GsBSJUf DcuxSWkcIqii6ucySf/f5naxfVGI9q24yE2yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.131.7 with SMTP id e7mr549776and.132.1244006252450; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:17:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: mojo fms To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:17:33 -0000 How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? I am trying to save power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. I read the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not seen anything about doing this really. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 05:20:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F60106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E008FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:20:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n535GU89005070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:16:30 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n535KgpD067034; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:20:42 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:20:42 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200906030520.n535KgpD067034@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Cannot delete files in Samba X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:20:45 -0000 Hi, I recently upgraded from Samba 3.0.31 to 3.3.2 on a FreeBSD 6.4 server, and since then, the Windows machines have no right to delete files unless the directory is "chmod o+w" I tried to play with "map read only" and 'store dos attribues" but not to avail. My FreeBSD server is quite standard, the Samba cnfiguration too. I Googled with no succees. Any clue is much welcome. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 05:34:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44B0106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5F58FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so4752673qwe.7 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=LtuBZvuwkjJ9Lye9YgpMLOMQVR3kIgXPwz4BiQLChuA=; b=IFGCuPgE0nGOEVxSKoU57VSfanemU6MvMo3EVs6PLb3Fcja0OA9Nd+8pJnNg+NbIlY fi9gjiQjdHe1oz+kYzmW/qdTt6TLSsSLEPRRNbKw6uF9YcJBvqOkVMnH0ouM+s9HPVtm rnxKKihIuNFxGB7LDUwGdY6DRQBo11Ht2EuH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=oOB/k1Ua6EIKZ3p0i9JSRtXmzz6VELZwq744EFg23Q9SrcX15dgVwpa/cP90aNWAPc 7ZQ5BqmvS1Y340NKle9loxmUzlVjx4PrCOhIyOOUPgsPN6wj6ldisXPy8cvurTD29OEs bHOVvD49abZ0t6HYkq4Va0uX/gC3mBU93NXag= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.94.129 with SMTP id z1mr502126vcm.39.1244007259533; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Tim Judd Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:33:59 -0600 Message-ID: To: mojo fms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:34:20 -0000 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, mojo fms wrote: > How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the > HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? I am trying to save > power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. I read > the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not > seen anything about doing this really. > > Thanks > ataidle in ports for the HDD powerd in base for the CPU (if the CPU supports it) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 06:41:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CB8106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0D28FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jjuanino@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2415634fxm.43 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:x-operating-system:user-agent; bh=LBLXaeomD6ivEAGqms8jSe1Kak2exXBEqwLYfO4VQy4=; b=RmcWVL8QHBsJ/aWYsM0n5kvc8FeQMV6v0orhmFLKNBk9+a/6iWnrMFThSdPePrx5zY s2qfxNczGwRK1R2bMeznVzX7+oZHlMKygsWt8Y0WUb+kccfAZeeg6NV9SdPG/I8ZmnrO TioN0Mt4p4y9hDR4MQVipShHzP0jXZhnRgR6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-operating-system :user-agent; b=uf4PSGhogRgNEIQoZrha5MocKreKSIAKapF4SCGrAIiyWtBp8Ow8y5P4e2QP0+WkeC se8IHzyhxsjf82vU8vIrk3EIfxHjFG1SwmWxg9eQnbOy3zOLUjPgmcOYsEwqw0E+jkzt MqFYTG+fRwkE3ZbpCjctUUBCbq0QkUzyYWex0= Received: by 10.204.54.16 with SMTP id o16mr532254bkg.146.1244011284035; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from banach (47.pool85-54-152.dynamic.orange.es [85.54.152.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm9617915fkh.46.2009.06.02.23.41.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:41:17 +0200 From: Jose Garcia Juanino To: "Michael L. Squires" Message-ID: <20090603064116.GA1899@banach> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:41:26 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El mi=E9rcoles 03 de junio a las 00:41:16 CEST, Michael L. Squires escribi= =F3: >=20 > There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux > emulation in /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient- >=20 > This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client. >=20 > I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't tes= t=20 > them extensively. I use sqlplus with instantclient every day and every hour in my FreeBSD desktop, and works perfectly. I had some issues in FreeBSD 7.0: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-September/005247.= html but they were fixed in FreeBSD 7.1. Apart from sqlplus with instantcliente, you can give a try to databases/sqldeveloper. It works with java, which has addvantages and dissanvantages. Regards --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkomGwwACgkQFOo0zaS9RnL0egCgqXbUi+DyS5+Sn+iAZ2C+soBM 7jkAoKSg2DGTqh+/dugI5Ef/TTBD20pT =iN12 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 06:48:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E4E106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3954C8FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:48:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n536mHQd049807; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:48:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n536mF50049804; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:48:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:48:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris St Denis In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> Message-ID: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:48:25 -0000 > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for some busy domains. > Is there a setting I can do to increase the limits of UDP packets to keep it from > causing problems? it would need to sent 50 (i think) udp packets in burst faster than NIC can send it. unlikely. i'm 90% sure there is some problem with network. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 06:50:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5A10656C1 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905F8FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n536npig049832; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:49:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n536no1U049829; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:49:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:49:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:01 -0000 >> >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 06:51:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7838C106567A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74658FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n536pJKk049845; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:51:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n536pIDH049842; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:51:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:51:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Intel NIC issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:51:26 -0000 > > > I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed > to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens > from there. Maybe it was just a mistake, but i bet not. At least here putting other cheaper products in computer and getting a price for the expensive one - is very common practice in polish shops. Simply because most people buy more expensive because it's "better" and will not see a difference then - so such cheating works. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 06:54:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDEC1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:54:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3598FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:54:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n536siGI049877; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n536si2a049874; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:54:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:54:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Anuj Singh In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-1742460248-1244012084=:49751" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:54:51 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-1742460248-1244012084=:49751 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >> >> I want to know out of your experience people the following, >> 1- How open source served your businesses  requirements? > Better performance, stability & savings. Only saving is a feature of Open Source software. Others are features of just particular programs you use! > >> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql, > apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most > recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is > far far better than the any other $MS based server. There are not only "open source products" and micro-soft in the world. Of course i agree about performance of FreeBSD based setups. --1626729238-1742460248-1244012084=:49751-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 07:19:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353D8106567A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:19:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: from server14.citromail.hu (server14.citromail.hu [91.83.45.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BC28FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: (qmail 22295 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2009 07:19:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> To: Received: from 54031CE9.catv.pool.telekom.hu [84.3.28.233] by with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:19:25 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?=" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:19:25 +0200 Errors-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: VIPmail v.2.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: sshd in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:19:29 -0000 Hi! I would like use the sshd in jail, but the port forwarding doesn't work in = the pf firewall. My jail ip: 10.0.0.40. If I use the ssh -l user 10.0.0.40 = command it's well, but when I use the "ssh -p 5859 -vv -l user luk1814.no-i= p.org" command I get this error: OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused The "pfctr -sn" command output's: nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port =3D 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 por= t 22 My pf.conf: Ext =3D "vr0" # output interface Loop =3D "lo0" # Loopback interface IntNet1=3D"10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 IntNet2=3D"10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd NoRoute =3D "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, 255.= 255.255.255/32 }" InServicesTCP =3D "{ ssh, http, https }" OutServicesTCP =3D "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, nntp,= 1863, 8880 }" OutServicesUDP =3D "{ ntp, domain }" NowDeny =3D "{ 445, 67, 68 }" X11 =3D "{ 6010, 5900}" Timeserver =3D "{ 148.6.0.1 }" CVSupServers =3D "{ 212.19.57.134 }" CVSupPorts =3D "{ 5999 }" DynDNSServer =3D "{ 63.208.196.94 }" DynDNSPorts =3D "{ 8245 }" scrub in on $Ext all altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } queue q_pri priority 7 queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny block out log on $Ext all block in log on $Ext all block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFRA block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep state pass in quick on $Loop all pass out quick on $Loop all pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 flags = S/SA keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesTCP fl= ags S/SA keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutServicesUDP = keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutServicesTCP = flags S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port $CVSup= Ports flags S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port time fla= gs S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { 6880><68= 89, 6969 } flags S/SAFR keep state pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 6880><6889 = flags S/SAFR keep state anchor passin Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 07:32:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4008F106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826C88FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8663847bwz.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:32:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=5a22ojQSsG+Dso5q9vcmKB5WNp/WDs0Sprv44Nwczsk=; b=jbr/TxSHvQnDZYVWhrRS7uPb6DzxgtcnW8IR6CbbvWB5Vvtqnuq0ASX8y/DmeSpKyT e1N3KljrJE38ECDtUA9tDEhSH0C1glGXZOliKFq62QFFpZOcokn/OJpZE8XcmsRA/9uV +TCKA9tvvTR+h8Di0ZDVCCu+0SoL9z+r7kIkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=CrsASfKGRMXNXnG5WlK2MU/3GJSK5nOhN5bZKUsbfTWQoSYErDwjmM4heqd1hxlPyp Qz2OyL8zMEHZS/iC8LFaS+XydrfQhCzHqNUwE4sP2VeKjHnKUDawrDw04fZnT5vPBTNV wkhVaP2Lq6twgiZQTyT3X+okuMQuj2eK4xrRw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr336215muo.110.1244014342094; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:32:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> References: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> From: Valentin Bud Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:32:02 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430906030032o7bb798e1rcbcf80fc9b26e46@mail.gmail.com> To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sshd in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:32:25 -0000 2009/6/3 Saj=F3 Zsolt Attila > Hi! > > I would like use the sshd in jail, but the port forwarding doesn't work i= n > the pf firewall. My jail ip: 10.0.0.40. If I use the ssh -l user 10.0.0.4= 0 > command it's well, but when I use the "ssh -p 5859 -vv -l user > luk1814.no-ip.org" command I get this error: > OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. > debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused > ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused > > > The "pfctr -sn" command output's: > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port =3D 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 p= ort > 22 > > > My pf.conf: > Ext =3D "vr0" # output interface > Loop =3D "lo0" # Loopback interface > IntNet1=3D"10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 > IntNet2=3D"10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd > NoRoute =3D "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, > 255.255.255.255/32 }" > InServicesTCP =3D "{ ssh, http, https }" > OutServicesTCP =3D "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, nnt= p, > 1863, 8880 }" > OutServicesUDP =3D "{ ntp, domain }" > NowDeny =3D "{ 445, 67, 68 }" > X11 =3D "{ 6010, 5900}" > Timeserver =3D "{ 148.6.0.1 }" > CVSupServers =3D "{ 212.19.57.134 }" > CVSupPorts =3D "{ 5999 }" > DynDNSServer =3D "{ 63.208.196.94 }" > DynDNSPorts =3D "{ 8245 }" > scrub in on $Ext all > altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } > queue q_pri priority 7 > queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) > rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 > block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny > block out log on $Ext all > block in log on $Ext all > block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all > block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any > block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute > block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 > pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep state > > pass in quick on $Loop all > pass out quick on $Loop all This two could be changed to 'set skip on lo0' in the pf OPTIONS section. > > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 flag= s > S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state > pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep sta= te > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesTCP > flags S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutServicesUD= P > keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutServicesTC= P > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port > $CVSupPorts flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port time > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { > 6880><6889, 6969 } flags S/SAFR keep state > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 6880><688= 9 > flags S/SAFR keep state > anchor passin > > > Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? > You don't have a pass rule for the 5859 port. You can, however, accomplish what you want in a couple of ways. 1. use the pass keyword in rdr rdr *pass* on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port =3D 5859 -> 10.0.0= .40 port 22 2. a separate pass in rule pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 flags S/SA keep state. 3. simply add 5859 port to $InServicesTCP macro. a great day, v > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 07:44:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F39106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB318FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2447840fxm.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:44:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZlFPyu4apMGr/MwXmo28LKRwI/pq4fkqDYMGw8gkJ+o=; b=w+YIZFkDE7CmlYtbmNLCoEfEgH/mBh2AT4TsHAoj0tU1IkQkwvUF0w/L1eo8ZBUXBj yrzCk9E0aZsHv9Ni/jLlil2k7vcsZB97HCu9WqcKnobDgq/ycIOX6nU+n5L//GUADfj9 bWXNYMqrSUDUgN+A+197ZBODLP5uQZg+59NdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XvMgn7Y+fI3NPcFJSakInR1kUp/CzwWvWFKkmHsOZmItDs//bCibDvfOnv7jD5gU29 TISGZbRe4gvUEyIRfSLjOKi8p892BUi6SN2N4CaHbpOWr5XwZEtPN2omfW21x9r43E4n YMg9Zgh9OHhy9y9eTuEvwvoHRSuVh48rzaxeo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.140 with SMTP id e12mr606696bkq.68.1244015098177; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:44:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:44:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: PstreeM China Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: what about BadAtom Error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:45:00 -0000 2009/6/3 PstreeM China : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Rees wrote= : >> >> 2009/6/1 PstreeM China : >> > hi all: >> > >> > =A0 =A0 yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupg= rade >> > -arR =A0... >> > =A0 =A0 then , my program rox is error .. >> > =A0 =A0 Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. >> > >> > =A0 =A0 how can i Fix it ??? =A0thanks All !! >> > >> > use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: >> > ############### >> > (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: >> > assertion `atom !=3D GDK_NONE' failed >> > The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. >> > This probably reflects a bug in the program. >> > The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. >> > =A0(Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) >> > =A0(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronousl= y; >> > =A0 that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >> > =A0 To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >> > =A0 option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >> > =A0 backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >> > function.) >> > ##################### >> >> Try portupgrade -fr rox >> >> Sometimes just recompiling and relinking can help; stops dependencies >> on stale libraries. >> >> Chris >> >> > > after reinstall the rox-filer , there is not help me to fix it .. > > thanks all the time.. > > Do you mean it hasn't worked, and hasn't fixed it? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 08:08:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930A61065677 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F118FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2461358fxm.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Bmo1W1Rfd4swufrsmnTWxlLq/DtYGSUPq5mMw9jO5EU=; b=osZXHw+xCfx/Ww+/ydVgjJl5VSDqLY1BfqvPpQTlyASq0EzLXSjw9HftH2lDgw2AHQ BbJesPJkPV+7ZO3DDdfL+cR9h9n9n97R/eZnaZe4xqaxB1ExLHpdWZda+9zD6R3tEKXT 5wtHx1TgX2x1BZcMSV4n4TwuU1GcXM2yAQbfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cXCZSfl5XV5OUbsFJk01ql/IM/v+6YuLGLwPKwL+m7tWLcB8komVwDP3zeJvdfEzoz YwyLMvOkPl+gMk1Ow6dy1RDROafXbkxL8WlO8PSzVzzon10foNbz8SuYuaMb70jQril3 N82mcPWpmjwS+9njn488NM6vqiz9DRJKZt748= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.68 with SMTP id g4mr611883bkj.81.1244016497183; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A25DE58.5030208@hdk5.net> References: <4A25DE58.5030208@hdk5.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:07:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: Al Plant Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-test@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Test X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:08:20 -0000 2009/6/3 Al Plant : > Test > -- > Now try using freebsd-test@ ;) Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 08:09:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029F51065697 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8B88FC24 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8685112bwz.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K0IoJ48FeJ1gZ4B/XQDbG2i3wSlbAyH2wMgUzbBxezE=; b=dmY6mc7Z4LFCFl5xPyobqjM0lKop21u+GBQGV8VCmbWGC0ejR7MxkscWxJ8L991BVo 8hWGbCmN1zGj3lPzGVvvJ2PQGPWZ9/XM3j9TSWjxfytvEY6TJFIviFBFzgH7g71F1K8C H+a9fBC5dBVBj1ZWX/VZyll1vBn71BjFKOpW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tJ2kjNOMv6/+Fe8z76XSYhRsJ568azu0Ytk/2mDex4qADfjWRPsC9D/DMSa6A/L+zk 73HBzSnVx/ApTc4Wp6ToySPeqV/7LROCV+tLRL2Ld3Gc4YVWRreYEfcX8pSGc2XwKMcb NVnDv1M8QosfJ6Z05WveOxO0bGfZ2NOKpCCWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.143 with SMTP id q15mr597507bkg.148.1244016596146; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:09:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:09:36 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tim Judd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mojo fms , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:09:58 -0000 2009/6/3 Tim Judd : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, mojo fms wrote: > >> How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep t= he >> HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? =A0I am trying to s= ave >> power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. =A0I= read >> the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not >> seen anything about doing this really. >> >> Thanks >> > > ataidle in ports for the HDD > > powerd in base for the CPU (if the CPU supports it) Or, for hard drives, I have in my rc.local /sbin/atacontrol spindown ad1 3600 from base system. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 08:13:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2358106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:13:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: from server14.citromail.hu (server14.citromail.hu [91.83.45.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF998FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sajozsattila@citromail.hu) Received: (qmail 28277 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2009 08:13:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20090603081304.28276.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> To: FreeBSD questions Received: from 54031874.catv.pool.telekom.hu [84.3.24.116] by with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13:04 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?=" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13:04 +0200 Errors-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: VIPmail v.2.6 In-Reply-To: <139b44430906030032o7bb798e1rcbcf80fc9b26e46@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: sshd in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:13:07 -0000 Thank you the help, but it doesn't work yet. I prefer the "rdr pass on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -&g= t; 10.0.0.40 port 22", but I tried all ways, but absolutely nothing's chang= ed.=20 -- Eredeti =FCzenet -- Felad=F3: Valentin Bud <valentin.bud@gmail.com> C=EDmzett: Saj=F3 Zsolt Attila<sajozsattila@citromail.hu> Elk=FCldve: 09:33 T=E9ma: Re: sshd in jail 2009/6/3 Saj=F3 Zsolt Attila luk1814.no-ip.org" command I get this error: > OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. > debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused > ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused > > > The "pfctr -sn" command output's: > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port =3D 5859 -> 10.0.0.4= 0 port > 22 > > > My pf.conf: > Ext =3D "vr0" # output interface > Loop =3D "lo0" # Loopback interface > IntNet1=3D"10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 > IntNet2=3D"10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd > NoRoute =3D "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, > 255.255.255.255/32 }" > InServicesTCP =3D "{ ssh, http, https }" > OutServicesTCP =3D "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, = nntp, > 1863, 8880 }" > OutServicesUDP =3D "{ ntp, domain }" > NowDeny =3D "{ 445, 67, 68 }" > X11 =3D "{ 6010, 5900}" > Timeserver =3D "{ 148.6.0.1 }" > CVSupServers =3D "{ 212.19.57.134 }" > CVSupPorts =3D "{ 5999 }" > DynDNSServer =3D "{ 63.208.196.94 }" > DynDNSPorts =3D "{ 8245 }" > scrub in on $Ext all > altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } > queue q_pri priority 7 > queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) > rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 > block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny > block out log on $Ext all > block in log on $Ext all > block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all > block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FU= P > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFR= A > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any > block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute > block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 > pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep st= ate > > pass in quick on $Loop all > pass out quick on $Loop all This two could be changed to 'set skip on lo0' in the pf OPTIONS section. > > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 f= lags > S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep sta= te > pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep = state > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesT= CP > flags S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutService= sUDP > keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutService= sTCP > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port > $CVSupPorts flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port tim= e > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { > 6880> pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 688= 0> flags S/SAFR keep state > anchor passin > > > Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? > You don't have a pass rule for the 5859 port. You can, however, accomplish what you want in a couple of ways. 1. use the pass keyword in rdr rdr *pass* on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port =3D 5859 -> 10.0.0= .40 port 22 2. a separate pass in rule pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 flags S/SA keep state. 3. simply add 5859 port to $InServicesTCP macro. a great day, v > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 network warrior since 2005 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 08:35:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF8E106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685908FC20 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n538ZLvP067009; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:35:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n538ZLBs067008; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:35:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:35:21 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603083521.GA66546@ei.bzerk.org> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:35:26 -0000 On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > >every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > > >As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how > >small the amount. They'll display a link for donations > >of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 > >or more. > > > finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes > to 50-100$ to get good advert. Do you suffer from memory loss? This is exactly what Boris Samorodov said on may 27, and you responded to his message, so you didn't miss it. The "rules" were clear from then on. And again, they don't offer 50-100$ one time, they offer it PER MONTH. I agree with a lot of your statements on this list, but here I think your still trying to cover up for a too fast response. let it go. even better: say you're sorry. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 08:59:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73669106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326BB8FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so4679881ywe.13 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pg15peyGKpPaUdTd/yd2AyOBvgNv3CZksuCJiO7D610=; b=YWnlk6GJXQQz7Y4/JcsTPsPlv6rLj7scO/hYnTxzOH1e7AyOTpik5CfSkbiclkuAtx 2QciF8Jsyrlvw3NmTRqsePGcXDB2lJvZXAVAIoGXPG7mnNIpY5j4ZTGYgpaLbtjKHId/ MrGqgSKXC6fXi5hSaeXWOJpkjKOuoF/TVtc7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=r222Dofm3Qy7FrRzle0LjIys1dt5/zN2nzgDruPPnmaocazXI32NCzyX9fu5VmxV8z Wvi5wxzgXWfUyBb3pz6MgrDcXz0b2XcTIpw4gzo2528HiJub+bXaq1kXGNsOrNelB27O 2RpL64pffNwAGqXvbmmIMLzim7Xe4ebAxnEzQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.110.2 with SMTP id i2mr735733anc.76.1244018283188; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:38:03 +0300 Message-ID: From: Dan Naumov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:59:06 -0000 Hello list. I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their dependancies)? Thanks! - Dan Naumov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:04:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C584106567B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF5F8FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA607E83F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:04:33 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:04:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> <3a142e750905310223keef56e7y7db0ebcb8bbae066@mail.gmail.com> <4A22E35D.4080606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A22E35D.4080606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031104.31562.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: "Paul B. Mahol" , LoH Subject: Re: [FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE] Audio going silent after wakeup. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:04:35 -0000 On Sunday 31 May 2009 22:06:53 LoH wrote: > Unloading the module, letting it suspend on its own, then waking it up > and reloading the module does not cause the symptoms to appear. > > Wish I knew offhand what was being called to let it suspend, and which > state it was. See man acpiconf. Basically you can hack /etc/rc.suspend and /etc/rc.resume to unload and reload the sound modules. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:10:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290871065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAD88FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5399wYH050576; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5399waw050573; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:09:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dan Naumov In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:10:05 -0000 > Hello list. > > I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some > argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete > all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their > dependancies)? just do pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z do pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` rm /tmp/pkglist ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. it's exactly what you want. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:18:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DDA1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F47F8FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B502E363; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:18:00 +0200 From: cpghost To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:18:05 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars > > but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well > here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. > > Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. > links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. > But have best fonts :) You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit properly for security purposes. That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just irresponsible and way too risky, from a security point of view. Surely, not everyone has the same security requirements, and YMMV. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:24:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF956106567A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB438FC2F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:24:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n539O23O050647; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:24:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n539O2ss050644; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:24:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:24:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:24:21 -0000 >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit > properly for security purposes. links is not complex, and REALLY well done, unfortunately now nobody (or close to) works on it. If they would just implement CSS - it's enough! > That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web > primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and right. but javascript in links is rather safe. Anyway - you may simply NOT LIKE someone else unknown programs to be run on your computer except when you want to. > secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual > firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, > virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, create another and run browser from it. > Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still > not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break > out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:26:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03B7106568F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973228FC26 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan.naumov@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so4686034ywe.13 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:26:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xWIEkBSH3hImm18fBERgtxxYz63av/gCmErvxphkDDc=; b=JFLIP6vL+C+hkofdAudCY/+L3Tjrm6iA6oArkAZpIXaTK2Px0hhMUyl9RYy4BwFv2+ dRBS5UmTwY4uvrBdBHTVszj12AgMU362sFlxGNEQdbEm/UkO3hqR1n2jH53dmCknFwAf hEHwjY/5sjFM0QHVhoYP7+66pgVR1W8RaYUnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Yv+Fybufy3TCVJ+W/1u5OAuir5mUVmul60L58NYQs0WeS2fHMCh9jtc9xV0jKhcRTO L2V38Y320Ke7w2E+F6vmJrhUl7MlHVM4mknr1UO5+MG2AQHaOEzPgF/0XzmwgCcY6mQr wdwiWIv9ripJRsmY3ciliKuJT9nNRUI7C4b0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.172.16 with SMTP id u16mr779098ane.85.1244021181883; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:26:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:26:21 +0300 Message-ID: From: Dan Naumov To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:26:23 -0000 Thanks a lot, this worked like a charm! - Dan Naumov On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list. >> >> I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some >> argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete >> all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their >> dependancies)? > > just do > > pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist > edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z > > do > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` > rm /tmp/pkglist > > ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. > it's exactly what you want. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:28:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8ACD1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4CD8FC26 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so8733289bwz.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:28:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WGiFOSf63GPcVw91zn5wZym79KWR2OvP3THCYpFiUi8=; b=a9il7nzf2EMPCavjDufRZ8zySRL4omPRchewj+/5EUNGblrvUF/o1AcDKPkBIDugGK ILidri2FY0fwWvK2KYSDkQ5tbhw5n0jjySw9LYxUytS7+Samyz+hotcG2QVFCZ01RLJv AvHTitaMyfPmSnUKOwThMcPQbvVaTR9cbXr/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ONwT5UvK0gRs7PhRAw/j+b6EWHbk1nu+HAyveiKsAOWNioF85yNZDaXonbtyryjEVj FB5enmTVoItucLzOJqgIZPErgMJR9vYX+lta3w3DX/MZ7LgCBIAhabM01Ug1g8KyS6UV DSxg8S/NpFBHOisjuCyt7CK4lZDwqN2y9qr2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr709614bkg.35.1244021331167; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:28:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:51 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750906030228i6b0409d4s7772b3c1bec7172f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:28:53 -0000 On 6/3/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >>> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >>> But have best fonts :) >> >> You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit >> properly for security purposes. > > links is not complex, and REALLY well done, unfortunately now nobody (or > close to) works on it. If they would just implement CSS - it's enough! elinks have simplistic CSS support. >> That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web >> primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and > > right. but javascript in links is rather safe. > > Anyway - you may simply NOT LIKE someone else unknown programs to be run > on your computer except when you want to. > >> secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual >> firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, >> virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. > > Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, > create another and run browser from it. > >> Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still >> not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break >> out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just > > Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) > > It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > others. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:36:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353981065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F9A8FC1E for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD317E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:36:11 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:36:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031136.10054.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: Set task priority X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:36:13 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:05:13 Steve Bertrand wrote: > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? You may want to consider the fact that priority has nothing to do with the outage symptom. If your other services use MySQL, they will time out because mysqldump will exclusively lock the tables your services are trying to query and/or update. The best way to do this if you need the feature more then once is to setup a slave replicator that isn't queried by the services at all and then you do your dumps on that machine. Replication will catch up after the dump. If you have enough hard disk space, can even do this on your laptop. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:45:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EE4106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B108FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D4B7E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:45:50 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:45:48 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Chris St Denis Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:45:52 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 00:46:20 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > > enough free resources > > quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP > packet and get's error from kernel. > > > possible reasons > - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the error See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on the microwave. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:48:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0E1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C5D8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n539mnV9050786; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:48:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n539mmIv050783; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:48:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:48:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chris St Denis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:48:58 -0000 >> >> possible reasons >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the error > > See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on the > microwave. this is extreme case. but card don't need to turn UP and DOWN for long enough for system to get a message. my second case >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) is an example. i had such card that just reported error every some amount of packets. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:13:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFAF1065675 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49228FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912F27E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:13:41 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:13:39 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Chris St Denis Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13:53 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 11:48:48 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> possible reasons > >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > > > - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the > > error > > > > See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on > > the microwave. > > this is extreme case. Not really. The point is that at the time the network card goes from up to down, named spits out this error. If you log named to a different log file then /var/log/messages, you will not see the relation. The reason for changing UP to DOWN can be from a device operating at the 2.4Ghz band when using wireless-g to someone bumping his elbow into the colo's network cable, driver problems to switch failures, etc etc. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:27:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DBF106567B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411498FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985EE3540D; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:27:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:27:20 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:27:24 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:24:02AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual > > firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, > > virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. > > Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, > create another and run browser from it. What about permissions in X? Even if you started the browser as another user, you'd still have to xhost + that user. And from there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you sure both processes are totally isolated and can't communicate via unix-domain sockets etc? Checked all perms of all devices, all FIFOs etc? The point is: if you start *any* untrusted program on your host OS, there's a remote possibility that you've overlooked something (your example with 0700 permissions for home dirs is a good example, but there's a lot more), and that the process starts seeing stuff it isn't meant to see. And even chroot(2) isn't perfect. Remember: http://unixwiz.net/techtips/chroot-practices.html http://wiki.netbsd.se/How_to_break_out_of_a_chroot_environment That's just the tip of the iceberg. You never know what's still lurking out there on the host OS, and when you need strong security, a virtualized environment for untrusted processes as a minimum is a *must-have*. And even then, that is risky, if the emulator or paravirtualizer contains bugs and flaws. You can get a little bit more confidence with virtualizers if emulated CPU arch != host CPU arch (e.g. when emulating PPC, 68000 or even more exotic processors on x86), but that's dog slow for modern day browsing even on fast machines. So it's not always practical to do so (though when security is paramount, browsing slowing may well be the price to pay). And obviously, the emulator sill needs to resist especially crafted bytecode that may crash it in a very specific way (read: an exploit of an emulator's bug)! > > Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still > > not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break > > out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just > > Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) That's right, and that's why non-Windows users are less exposed to the usual risks. But still, one has to be careful. > It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > others. Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts into your secure environment. You see, security is more than just protecting the normal desktop user from vanilla attacks. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:38:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B60D106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2A08FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n53AYBD1019706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:34:11 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n53AcO36073173; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:38:24 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:38:24 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:38:26 -0000 Hi, I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux application, but it is running smoothly. The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:41:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2951065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:41:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EBE8FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so6064207ewy.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=4fbQVh3p1zMWFyK+wRusMtHlhPc2etNJE4aKYWM2EZQ=; b=QIZaxqXo7lsDxSU5KmWR7wuE4+QTVlCBGxTRhaIaj284qt7S1jZTe8o967UDCSwdIJ R1Q+bkeW05Z0DdlG9rgGi4hyrLEJOsEHVbYjl+YGsRUYGLQQaLC9sP1B4P0DYM6rimwm 5OPYnkt7fxivO5czucqe04dz+P0wddw6wfTsE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=TwXNxJvcSDzRgYEw4TJ7j1+DIjWwfWQu6pSfhVPCgrFBcZ3KZ8gzn2gwIMF1cXf8PP ISwnffDqrirpY501XH42AtFYEIyRAOCm4JxH1qpQ6NYhEueYPDFfctBnOK3NYv4g855O DjLnOJXwIVwPEIwUi+TpHofNr8KHJ0J+FJnsM= Received: by 10.210.39.8 with SMTP id m8mr6306560ebm.76.1244025696165; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.153.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm12613636ewy.74.2009.06.03.03.41.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:41:31 +0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:41:31 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Erik Norgaard , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:41:38 -0000 On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:19:01PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Jeff Laine wrote: > >The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but > >whenever > >I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or > >cyradm) cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, > >trashing logs with this: > > > >>tail /var/log/debug.log > > > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 > >... > > > >...until I stop the master process. > > It seems that when you try to connect with pop3 a child process is > spawned as it should, but it dies unexpectedly so a new is spawned. > Could it be something as simple as permissions to access the mailbox files? > > Rather than relying on log files, try to launch the master manually with > the -D flag, it may give you a more verbose output. > > >I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it > >gives the same problem every time. > > > >I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. > > Similar but not the same? Sounds like you should review again your > config files, also, the versions of cyrus-imapd on your working > installation, is that the same as the new one? Consider posting your > configs in next post. > > > BR, Erik Thanks for your reply, Eric. Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 permissions on libdb* files. Doh. Thanks! -- Best regards, Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:41:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3608310656C2 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E3A8FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70F03540D; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:41:51 +0200 From: cpghost To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20090603104151.GD1349@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:41:56 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:38:24PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux > application, but it is running smoothly. > > The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and > leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not > freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. > > Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? /usr/sbin/tcpdrop maybe? Not sure it would reset/kill the connection immediately though. You'll have to try it. > Best regards, > > Olivier -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 10:43:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1BA1065674 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501078FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so6065383ewy.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:43:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=3mShMksR7ZzJlL5Lp7vk0JQ5GADEGSbD2efUs5di/0Y=; b=JZ4CTkj9dqHks0Jy5O281qtEC+saKrMOtPp73EKmloK6D5lVHzKqjKOqu3jVBOFdqI xXdsp4yHE5pUTU/P6OrsiHMPCFjzTs2AHv/ECo2fwL+r1RUHgbDoEt2zDM1QHTxRX/pX m0dbMiWTwNu+pq572oM7i2W4bZL0LBuhOoh18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=cVRcLuSpvYlsoZ/5i2vGqlAjnIOKzBZoeqJ1Ms0qf1HLss5i0lK6BgpNaJ+MX2T+pQ uHt8fKecZHfgJJCW35R3Y7c9jL/7nLDwbPB7dXUzedfiOm+TQwQjoMGXehKHUuQc33a3 0mvRVWFpqsR2Znawy654eNb1nTHSRo/K9g2FI= Received: by 10.210.30.1 with SMTP id d1mr656582ebd.14.1244025822453; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.153.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm12638949ewy.98.2009.06.03.03.43.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:43:37 +0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:43:37 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20090603104337.GB40064@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:43:44 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:38:24PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux > application, but it is running smoothly. > > The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and > leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not > freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. > > Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? > > Best regards, > > Olivier I think tcpdrop(8) can handle that. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 11:10:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2E71065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4808FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53BAXUl051136; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:10:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53BAV4E051133; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:10:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:10:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mel Flynn In-Reply-To: <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chris St Denis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:10:40 -0000 > Not really. The point is that at the time the network card goes from up to > down, named spits out this error. If you log named to a different log file > then /var/log/messages, you will not see the relation. The reason for changing this is one reason i always change syslog.conf to configure everything to /var/log/messages. As you said - i see all events in time order. Fortunately i don't use radio networking unless i have no other choice. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 11:15:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB8B1065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5AE8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53BFWh2051200; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:15:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53BFWB3051197; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:15:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:15:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:15:50 -0000 >>> virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. >> >> Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, >> create another and run browser from it. > > What about permissions in X? Even if you started the browser as > another user, you'd still have to xhost + that user. And from i just copy .Xauthority file. > there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. > That's just the tip of the iceberg. You never know what's still > lurking out there on the host OS, and when you need strong security, a > virtualized environment for untrusted processes as a minimum is a > *must-have*. And even then, that is risky, if the emulator or > paravirtualizer contains bugs and flaws. Even more important is to not use "standard" methods, as potential attcker can only quess what you do. > modern day browsing even on fast machines. So it's not always > practical to do so (though when security is paramount, browsing > slowing may well be the price to pay). Separate computer is 1000 times simpler solution to your needs. > That's right, and that's why non-Windows users are less exposed to > the usual risks. But still, one has to be careful. agree. > >> It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch >> others. > > Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure > (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more > worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary > to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more > resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts > into your secure environment. But they will not attack your company for sure. There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more to look at different places. Are you sure the employees in your company doesn't do that? :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 12:08:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BB61065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from ghirai.com (ghirai.com [195.74.52.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9298D8FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ghirai.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E80C17022 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:08:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0300 From: Ghirai To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> Subject: phidgets for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:08:04 -0000 Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets (http://www.phidgets.com? Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=507). Any ideas? Thanks. -- Ghirai. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 13:33:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1401065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163D68FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F12353B7; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:33:43 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:33:47 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 01:15:32PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). > > You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... > > So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you > > Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. That's what I do, and it's easy enough. > >> It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > >> others. > > > > Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure > > (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more > > worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary > > to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more > > resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts > > into your secure environment. > > But they will not attack your company for sure. It always depends on the company... > There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at > papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more > to look at different places. Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, security-wise. And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked up a few hundred meters away or even more outside of your security perimeter and reconstructed. Talking about (justified?) paranoia: some 10 years ago, we had some routing equipment in a server room that was NOT in the basement (i.e. it had a window to the outside). Guess what? We had to put black electrician's tape on the switches' LEDs, because it turned out that those LEDs were blinking at the exact rate of the transmitted data, bit-for-bit, and that anyone with a telescope and an optical sensor could have picked that pattern up, and reconstructed the data stream. Scary, uh? > Are you sure the employees in your company doesn't do that? :) I can't, but that's the job of our security dept. They're conducting the background checks. If they still missed a human "troyan," well, that's life. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 13:53:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB64106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f163.google.com (mail-fx0-f163.google.com [209.85.220.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFB88FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2684771fxm.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:53:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c6tDScztBgmWWQp8Ovv9sXDjfpSXxiy2nAb2TCsjJY8=; b=sF9INavsyDIbpELrhvapqhA9l5D9y/1rE0cS4rqHJayXhtIPoQDmg9W/3/OEJZ6uzp KhLd2fMb+AdolrCfoQdpe7Ot2ijClJVEnSq3/lNJwrEkTvv0lfxu7iZ6opgaoC+Vdyrx KmW0jsJUFWphmTVm8ecmM0+qSbSEuM6UTSsrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BoWimut7oeobCUe78yDasHEBbZhF08kP8fBfCJKuuHqb8SMhmOAMAjf27K36vtPiEG Y1catc1efjlSdAMBR2dAwQTdGHVbG4ANCXLONBgjOVeQbIjDmXWIVx42gycZMCnOBIK1 1JVuVNJttX3LM0TuG2DlivpD8YBl5gi1eKxQ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.209 with SMTP id c17mr920470bki.47.1244037187408; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:53:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:53:07 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: cpghost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:53:10 -0000 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, cpghost wrote: >> There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at >> papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more >> to look at different places. > > Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, > security-wise. > A colleague of mine is a Windows administrator for a local company. I didn't think people actually did this until he told me a little "prank" he pulls on those who do: When he finds a Post-It on their monitor with a password (or something resembling a password), he will write a different "word" on the Post-It and replace it with what was there (the real password) to teach them a lesson... > And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't > imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic > spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked > up a few hundred meters away or even more outside of your security > perimeter and reconstructed. > > Talking about (justified?) paranoia: some 10 years ago, we had some > routing equipment in a server room that was NOT in the basement (i.e. > it had a window to the outside). Guess what? We had to put black > electrician's tape on the switches' LEDs, because it turned out that > those LEDs were blinking at the exact rate of the transmitted data, > bit-for-bit, and that anyone with a telescope and an optical sensor > could have picked that pattern up, and reconstructed the data stream. > > Scary, uh? My colleagues never understood (nor do they to this day) my paranoia regarding security and untrusted code. I always point them in the same direction: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 14:45:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB9C106567E for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E798FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53Ejgci052154; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:45:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53Ejg1j052151; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:45:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:45:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:45:55 -0000 >> You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > > If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any > kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... vncserver creater new X server. Can't monitor yours unless you have special module for X server installed and loaded (it is in ports) >> Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. > > That's what I do, and it's easy enough. and works. >> papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more >> to look at different places. > > Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, > security-wise. so it's the first thing you should care about. Humans are ALWAYS weakest point of any security system. How many employees of your company ACTUALLY understand what are passwords for. Really? Yes, probably most of them don't, just know that it's something you have to type in ;) > And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't > imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic > spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked forget about it. it's too difficult compared to abuse of common human dumbness. Kevin Mitnick book is really worth of reading. i read polish translation. He NEVER cracked any system by using exploits. He just politely asked for a password. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 14:47:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88109106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA918FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53ElQqS052174; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:47:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53ElPCG052171; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:47:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:47:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:47:37 -0000 >> Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, >> security-wise. >> > > A colleague of mine is a Windows administrator for a local company. I > didn't think people actually did this until he told me a little People do even more things. In my public internet access network i found that 90% of people actually don't understand what is password for. They treat it as a form of torture from administrator ;) Yes - 90% From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 15:29:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6610F10656B6 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0FF8FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32AE3540E; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:29:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:29:39 +0200 From: cpghost To: Glen Barber Message-ID: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:29:42 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:53:07AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > My colleagues never understood (nor do they to this day) my paranoia > regarding security and untrusted code. I always point them in the > same direction: > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html YES! An absolute classic. We're using it to teach sysadmin trainees about trust and security very early on in their careers. Always an excellent reminder. Another perfect example that open source alone can't guarantee security: I remember a CPAN perl module that used to warn you that you shouldn't blindly install software as root without checking it first. It didn't do anything harmful (really just a 'warn'), but potentially, it could have wreaked havoc... at least until someone spotted and reported it. I don't recall exactly what module it was or if it is still in CPAN now, but that was also a good reminder to be careful and use common sense. > Glen Barber > http://www.dev-urandom.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 15:43:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70E0106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F648FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164F53540E; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:43:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:43:49 +0200 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:43:53 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:45:42PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > > > > If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any > > kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... > > vncserver creater new X server. Can't monitor yours unless you have > special module for X server installed and loaded (it is in ports) Okay, okay, how about this? * http://www.keyfrog.org/ * http://www.randombit.net/code/logger.c * /usr/ports/security/xspy * /usr/ports/security/uberkey Now back to work... -cpghost -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:18:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D231065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132EE8FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFB17E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:18:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:18:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jeff Laine Subject: Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:18:39 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:41:31 Jeff Laine wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Eric. > Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 > permissions on libdb* files. Doh. I'd file a bugreport upstream, this is not a "debug level message" but critical error condition, in fact with Denial of Service potential for the entire machine. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:21:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381031065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C9E8FC24 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53GLTou052722; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:21:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53GLSoG052719; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:21:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:21:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:21:51 -0000 > > Another perfect example that open source alone can't guarantee open source - just by being opensource - can't guarantee anything more that availability of sources. It's important to stay away of all that hype that opensource programs are just better. Many are, many not. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:25:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC25106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE5C8FC24 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53GPJP0052773; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53GPJT2052770; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:25:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:25:34 -0000 > * http://www.randombit.net/code/logger.c compiled this, did ./logger 0xe0000d where 0xe0000d was my other xterm then typed at least 10 lines at that xterm window got: -rw------- 1 wojtek wheel 0 3 cze 18:23 logger-e0000d.log From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:33:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEF61065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCAD8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B8A7E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:33:20 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:33:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031833.16554.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: madunix Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:33:22 -0000 On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving Sieve. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:34:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B4B1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175748FC31 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22B8B1C0847; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:34:28 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Flynn References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Jeff Laine , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:34:31 -0000 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:41:31 Jeff Laine wrote: > >> Thanks for your reply, Eric. >> Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 >> permissions on libdb* files. Doh. > > I'd file a bugreport upstream, this is not a "debug level message" but > critical error condition, in fact with Denial of Service potential for the > entire machine. Hold that, I reinstalled my server this week from source and encountered no such problems. Before filing any bug report, consider how permissions where changed: Did you accidentially change them manually? Do you have umask set to some non-standard value? Do/should ports override root's umask? Of course, some condition that causes a proces to exit unexpectedly ought to give a clearer log message, and it shouldn't keep retrying, for that you might consider sending a bug report to the developers. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:36:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFDF1065689 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EBE8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53GaCaS054088; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53GaC5b054085; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:36:26 -0000 > * /usr/ports/security/xspy but this do. so 2 X servers are compulsory... thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:48:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6578F1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:48:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8B18FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:48:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FB033964A; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web8.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.217]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:48:24 -0400 Received: by web8.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9F3E011AFC6; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: mhuHFNocX22mhegHPsuJkQ7OUvLHFXB9J8jvWL8licCT 1244047704 From: "Azim" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface In-Reply-To: <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:48:24 +0300 Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:48:26 -0000 Because I need something like TrueCrypt on FreeBSD. Decrypting the whole ISO file first will make the situation insecure and definitely will kill the purpose. An accidental reboot alongwith loss of the system/disk while having the iso in a decrypted form can cause problems. I need decryption on the fly, without making an extra copy of the same file. On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13 +0200, "Ruben de Groot" wrote: > > Why not decrypt it first? > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:32:40PM +0300, Azim typed: > > Does FreeBSD or any BSD/OS have "mount -o encryption" support ? > > I want to pipe aespipe and mount an encrypted iso. I have already > > checked on FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 that loop option isn't available, so I am > > sticking to mdconfig and vnconfig on old versions. > > > > If not then, > > Is it possible to pipe aespipe with mdconfig > > How do you on-the-fly-mount an Encrypted ISO under FreeBSD ? > > > > Regards, > > QD > > -- > > Azim > > quakerdoomer@fmguy.com > > //////////////////////////////////////////// > > “You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent." > > “The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look.” > > “The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.” > > > > __________________ > > `---- """""""""""""""""""""""""""|] > > /_ ==o _____ ___________|" > > ),---.(_(___) / > > // (\) ),----" > > //....// > > '----- > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Azim -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:50:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BA11065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C103F8FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076023D3AA; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:50:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53GodLY001600; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:50:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:50:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:50:47 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:21:28 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > open source - just by being opensource - can't guarantee anything more > that availability of sources. > > It's important to stay away of all that hype that opensource programs are > just better. > > Many are, many not. I'd like to add that IF security problems get discovered in OSS, it's usually just a matter of few time that this problem gets corrected. This is mostly because the public is able to look at the source code, so many programmers with different approaches and opinions can evaluate a certain security concept, and harden it that way. There is no need even to rely on someone else to fix it - you can fix it yourself. In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, but ANY products, so you can't be sure that with the next release you can buy, a known security problem has been corrected - and if new problems are just delivered the same way. A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly reliable and secure. (Allthough, the sayings about the human being the weakest point in security considerations applies there, too.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:56:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE3E1065675 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B14B8FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m38so33478waf.27 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date :organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=j7ZOiOB2C7Bb395V/Kqxdh842nBy8R5Qd3xupv+/wrY=; b=SAUwvJIACkB6ry0Fg59V/4UnPvPz5CpXPDCoDtGPtV70i2On8DBTW5zmaJZDNjUZif OOM+ZJx1nryj4nAR3b8hpagyTT0EVxORBROm5CN4+NWWJ+L7KT1vJE32GC+dvZgzYjeb JkiOESBvpsz8EXqpxebP/6yhlnjJmClD6xj50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole :thread-index; b=rVN9d15/cCtQc2qGBmVk/RffAbtOg20ZmUHUJpvZwCzbaf3JbNLw20kJME8lsb90wF 0XVd6rSkL2XcJ0wmy1tyk+PG4+wJwi8D/msHgVH7/L6Fzhsb9ph2rdiKY+GMG+u6rmq4 nHZnkjsfHG/Zk2iM2VVgO22rXIso2D/7vWwhQ= Received: by 10.115.76.5 with SMTP id d5mr1797951wal.55.1244046551013; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades ([99.148.200.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm1894073wah.1.2009.06.03.09.29.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave" To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:31:12 -0400 Organization: davemehler.com Message-ID: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnkaLUpTEGwFL47S0+kTPaTCh7HOQ== Subject: freebsd-update from 7.0 to 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave.mehler@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:56:24 -0000 Hello, I've got an older machine running 7.0. I ran freebsd-update upgrade on it to update it to 7.2, aftetr two reboots i'm still seeing 7.0 in the uname -r output. I did not get any errors during the download or installation of patches. Is this a recommended upgrade path? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 16:58:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039BD1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f195.google.com (mail-pz0-f195.google.com [209.85.222.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB228FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so145265pzk.3 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lFRxR6G6gtLvhIejzMEDI2HODJsV49cVsNGuyCKnu0A=; b=wMSkUPNK3TDrzC+6OPGdNJkEq/3Ut/Skuat5BcIzOCmcTViP8NT8NC4ZbOWRFloG3c 23wF7lH9zRSH8dNXCPOMn/dp4bJY/QtzHpQFe85ki2AgVjFBuIiphuscFrBfvg0akeyH iSyvkX+dQZWOI69+NikKX2/nlC/7GLeybaTDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EgZ8vcjUkah3MTNgvIIUpoO6eSi9tnuyGoGGvdMXofhSynvxOO87egU9elC/b8WD4s 8ifjijzgBZ77wxav4B5GUHl8zZC5DLgWHSYETo5t7atfr3/5k+C0UK9qDJFog2PLxz3M Q75s5cMDCKp/ngYyw4eC+blGMmfks8/dcBa30= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.94.129 with SMTP id z1mr927304vcm.39.1244048327067; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:58:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:58:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Azim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:58:48 -0000 Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a UFS file that's then geli encrypted? If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, but won't be a CD Filesystem. Does this help? On 6/3/09, Azim wrote: > Because I need something like TrueCrypt on FreeBSD. Decrypting the whole > ISO file first will make the situation insecure and definitely will kill > the purpose. An accidental reboot alongwith loss of the system/disk > while having the iso in a decrypted form can cause problems. > I need decryption on the fly, without making an extra copy of the same > file. > > > > > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13 +0200, "Ruben de Groot" > wrote: >> >> Why not decrypt it first? >> >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:32:40PM +0300, Azim typed: >> > Does FreeBSD or any BSD/OS have "mount -o encryption" support ? >> > I want to pipe aespipe and mount an encrypted iso. I have already >> > checked on FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 that loop option isn't available, so I am >> > sticking to mdconfig and vnconfig on old versions. >> > >> > If not then, >> > Is it possible to pipe aespipe with mdconfig >> > How do you on-the-fly-mount an Encrypted ISO under FreeBSD ? >> > >> > Regards, >> > QD >> > -- >> > Azim >> > quakerdoomer@fmguy.com >> > //////////////////////////////////////////// >> > “You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent." >> > “The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever >> > look.” >> > “The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.” >> > >> > __________________ >> > `---- """""""""""""""""""""""""""|] >> > /_ ==o _____ ___________|" >> > ),---.(_(___) / >> > // (\) ),----" >> > //....// >> > '----- >> > >> > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >> > >> > -- >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- > Azim > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:01:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3089F1065675 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7888FC1F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133357E837; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:01:32 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:01:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031901.30415.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Jeff Laine Subject: Re: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:01:34 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 18:34:28 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Of course, some condition that causes a proces to exit unexpectedly > ought to give a clearer log message, and it shouldn't keep retrying, for > that you might consider sending a bug report to the developers. That's exactly what I meant. Even if it's your own fault, you might not know this (a chmod -RL boldly going where no one has gone before) and you will only notice when someone tries to use the service. If 200 people start using the service, it will be too late for your machine and your ssh session. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:02:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13691065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5AD8FC1F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4487322.home.otenet.gr [94.71.68.162]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n53H2BZH001794; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:02:12 +0300 Message-ID: <4A26AC62.1080900@otenet.gr> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:01:22 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dave.mehler@gmail.com References: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> In-Reply-To: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update from 7.0 to 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:02:15 -0000 Dave wrote: > Hello, > I've got an older machine running 7.0. I ran freebsd-update upgrade > on it to update it to 7.2, aftetr two reboots i'm still seeing 7.0 in the > uname -r output. I did not get any errors during the download or > installation of patches. > The syntax for upgrading to a next version is slightly more involved, please read Handbook's section 24.2.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html#FREEBSDUPDATE-UPGRADE > Is this a recommended upgrade path? > Thanks. > Dave. > Yes ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:36:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CB9106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B2F8FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04974204D0 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fXw7aWCD6I2V for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AA00204C7 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:36:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031236.14533.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:36:21 -0000 On Tuesday 02 June 2009 10:59:51 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to > zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. I agree completely. I'd never voluntarily trust my personal information to a system that I (or other interested parties on my behalf) couldn't audit. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 17:43:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2527A106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5B18FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quakerdoomer@fmguy.com) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE98821114C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web8.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.217]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:43:22 -0400 Received: by web8.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9B44D11B1AB; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: MqFiYV5AL/wdgLATrmHOvjezORjTz2hWzGcPCxqFNoS5 1244051002 From: "Azim" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface In-Reply-To: References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com><20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org><1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:43:22 +0300 Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:43:24 -0000 No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be mountable from MS-Windows as well. UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the encrypted file. Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with RW support ? That would be the best solution !! Any ideas ? On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:58 -0600, "Tim Judd" wrote: > Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a > UFS file that's then geli encrypted? > > > If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k > blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, > but won't be a CD Filesystem. > > > Does this help? Regards, -- Azim -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:00:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB52B106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEA38FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so74301rvb.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BtuxwPWdQECMXEFv/f5wR/t2uG1vERfn6oyE1Qc5uwU=; b=HHenz4CKsZo176o4vH/tBonnzY+lbMfbKRurn/DXemGqIVNNYIImlb5yU4NVTmeCvg 0mrWLt7zaXwgCff41jGBWOpZW1zYPBLA750MbneLqPR5QpU+NpeQtdOlSPZSD62BzkGb 5lZ4Wloev8HopfLMapNTJK+0u9w2v0lCWnaJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gPTFcuD1EHatoT4Jr+4AYVpNqnxxQXPpm7Bto7TYp95EJuCt8wC+X435cqJQaWs1t5 j8szkPNK6WV0YU4UyfxKZTRme3Fce2v/4DRcFfDJ4UdUltPwd5SCktdKglOT/KnLHk8C NW9MAZtEQRc1gdibQZYXzijZgEW5umHNKyddg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr1016133vcj.56.1244052034522; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:00:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:00:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Azim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:00:36 -0000 Maybe if instead of you asking about filesystem compatibility (we all know that problem), what if you ask on what your purpose for this cross is. Because I know I'll be shooting from the hip to try to understand the scenario before I can be of real help. --Tim On 6/3/09, Azim wrote: > > No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. > I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be > mountable from MS-Windows as well. > UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to > Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I > doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the > encrypted file. > > Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with > RW support ? That would be the best solution !! > > Any ideas ? > > > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:58 -0600, "Tim Judd" wrote: >> Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a >> UFS file that's then geli encrypted? >> >> >> If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k >> blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, >> but won't be a CD Filesystem. >> >> >> Does this help? > > > > Regards, > -- > Azim > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an > unladen european swallow > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:02:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887411065687 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0168C8FC45 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53I2YMe042000; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:02:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BC327BAA3; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:02:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:02:33 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Azim Message-ID: <20090603180233.GA4428@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:02:38 -0000 --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:43:22PM +0300, Azim wrote: >=20 > No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. > I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be > mountable from MS-Windows as well. > UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to > Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I > doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the > encrypted file. >=20 > Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with > RW support ? That would be the best solution !! >=20 > Any ideas ? None of the encyption schemes that is native to FreeBSD is supported on MS windows.=20 Truecrypt[www.truecrypt.org] is supported on MS windows, Linux and OS X, but the FreeBSD port isn't stable yet (it seems to hang the system when copying a lot of small files). Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkomurkACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUzOQCfciw1mrIk8u4BX+8nYtpj8z/R n3kAmwTsLiUAkohFAU3QamuFoB5euKDO =066P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:25:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B6D106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA778FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7CC20ADE for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:24:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0cAoVt7XKc9X for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FF6020AD4 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:24:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:24:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:25:00 -0000 Putting swap on ZFS is listed as broken on the wiki. Is that still true of the newly MFC'ed version? -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:33:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4650A1065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EAC8FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53IWceZ024152; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:32:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53IWc8G024149; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:32:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:32:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:33:01 -0000 > > I'd like to add that IF security problems get discovered in OSS, > it's usually just a matter of few time that this problem gets > corrected. This is mostly because the public is able to look at that's true - i pointed it out at the beginning. It can be found easily that someone adds backdoor intentionally. But unintentional security holes are different thing. Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find them and use them. With closed source both are more difficult. > In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a > corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. > A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > reliable and secure. At least is said too, i never used or even seen VMS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:34:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70553106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38C38FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:34:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53IYJeA024169; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:34:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53IYJjo024166; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:34:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:34:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Azim In-Reply-To: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:34:32 -0000 If you need true-crypt compatible encryption you must ask truecrypt for FreeBSD port :) If you like good encryption at all, use geli. it's useful for any block device. Recording encrypted DVD's are bit tricky, but not difficult. Then you use them as any normal block device. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:36:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189E2106566B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6E28FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53Iab4j024194; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:36:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53Iabbd024191; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:36:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:36:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:36:45 -0000 > Putting swap on ZFS is listed as broken on the wiki. Is that still true of > the newly MFC'ed version? No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. With RAM costs of <20$/GB (DDR2) it's best to get as much memory as your software needs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:36:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FD5106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157768FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so282092ewy.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:36:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=546uv50f+LYbrq30JdGD7KFsapzwkDp1N5uWL822QsM=; b=dajGNRv6Iq1Waqc4FlfRHpgBF2CYlsxJX0/e6Ye84BaGDRoWcYx0xB7TTx0rQuWw9l gGk80PTLj6dfKv/odshzRoirvywGPmr92pLwzZCm2/WmMY+zKnXKHwasObO9a4Vf+aBl DKPNzMuxeTpjls9GQKWbvHayvenI1dAh71aLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BUNu9G60JE4R/stXqImaq8K4+shVy+O+XPmOpid4jrriY6v99BBXXiRaNDfm5ERJgQ v5u9XTvNgKa19qMkq5mhN6jWxcAqA35BsZSgFGGa6pzl3hD0jBJRpI8RPvIRKvClD2tI wsqk9VbSZYOczbnOiQ5c+zZilGAPAnn6gQ5Ww= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr449946wew.125.1244054205972; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:36:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> From: David Collins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davidcollins001@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:36:47 -0000 Hi, I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? Thanks David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:40:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB569106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@windstream.net) Received: from ispmxfep08-srv.windstream.net (ispmxfep08-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716CC8FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perlcat@windstream.net) Received: from ext-b14-121.omhq.uprr.com ([67.206.60.121]) by ispmxfep08-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20090603184037.CEDW7009.ispmxfep08-srv.windstream.net@ext-b14-121.omhq.uprr.com> for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:37 -0500 From: Tyson Boellstorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031340.32626.perlcat@windstream.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at ispmxfep08-srv.windstream.net from [67.206.60.121] using ID perlcat at Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:33 -0500 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R6uZGVPr4B0A:10 a=rT-s6s_PisQA:10 a=ihwgQFseU3Sv3MTFVpF7UQ==:17 a=t6U4kCzHQV3ooO92aBYA:9 a=EwQV3uF5J-ctCQn2mC4A:7 a=Vv3q2wt7-NZw53s_dz8TPLvrjpkA:4 a=GjEZmD1qdkkA:10 Subject: Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:40:47 -0000 On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:07:57 Gary Gatten wrote: > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > collection. Have you checked there? > I believe OP is looking for assurances that the oracle 7 and 8 clients listed in ports/databases would work. If he just needs a connection and to run ANSI SQL, it would work just as fine or maybe a little better than ODBC. The problem is that some things are not supported in the 7/8 clients that he may want. In that case, he should be looking at running the linux-based clients for more direct supportability from Oracle. IMO, it is a case of using the wrong tool if optimal performance is a requirement. There are plenty of up-to-the-minute databases and clients for FreeBSD that are not Oracle. Otherwise, the older versions are just fine, and I haven't had any truly serious performance problems. ymmv. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:41:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33D31065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3938FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53IeP8v008134; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1208072FC3; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023EB72FBB; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:24 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE8F@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ethernet card not working thread-index: AcnkenxnmR5OU90tQlWuKMA8jhzkJQAACr8Q References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:40:24.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1E875B0:01C9E47A] Cc: Subject: RE: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:41:07 -0000 Maybe the MAC card has auto MDI-X? You usually need a crossover cable to connected two computers directly without a hub/switch. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Collins Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ethernet card not working Hi, I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:47:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14C21065678 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D038FC25 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53IkHkm014404; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C5DDC73104; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ECA730E2; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:16 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Open_Source thread-index: Acnkee4jg2puYLLWSkKZi67oIVdRaAAAPJ0A References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com><20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet><20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "Polytropon" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:46:16.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[93929FA0:01C9E47B] Cc: Glen Barber , cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:47:32 -0000 Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? Is it true OSS? Also, how many people actually review source code AND have the skills to find security related issues? Seems mostly "black hats" would be interested in this as they have ulterior motives whereas "typical" users just want to use the software for what it was intended for. I like "Open" for all the reasons most people do, but not convinced having access to source to review for security holes is a major "feature". I like source to fix things and add features / functionality! Not that I can do it, but I can pay someone to WAY faster than getting M$ or others fix anything! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:33 PM To: Polytropon Cc: cpghost; Glen Barber; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source > > I'd like to add that IF security problems get discovered in OSS, > it's usually just a matter of few time that this problem gets > corrected. This is mostly because the public is able to look at that's true - i pointed it out at the beginning. It can be found easily that someone adds backdoor intentionally. But unintentional security holes are different thing. Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find=20 them and use them. With closed source both are more difficult. > In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a > corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance=20 and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. > A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > reliable and secure. At least is said too, i never used or even seen VMS. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:48:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E3B10656D9 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E388FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 15152 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2009 18:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 18:48:36 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 4DD732841F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:48:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:48:36 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090603184836.GA46417@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: cpghost , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Glen Barber Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:48:41 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:32:38PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > >reliable and secure. > > At least is said too, i never used or even seen VMS. When Digital Equipment Corporation collapsed, the architect(s) of VMS went to Microsoft and were given NT to mold in their own likeness. This is where rings of security levels originated in modern Windows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler NT 3.5 and possibly 4.0 supported VMS-like versioned files as part of the filesystem. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 18:57:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41F1065674 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB348FC2B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53IuNJK024860; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:56:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0554B7434F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:56:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03E673EA5; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:56:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:56:22 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE93@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20090603184836.GA46417@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Open_Source thread-index: AcnkfDIGGdxJBUlSSVa1PtjzopyH4gAAHQxQ References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603184836.GA46417@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> From: "Gary Gatten" To: , "Wojciech Puchar" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:56:22.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCDF4CA0:01C9E47C] Cc: Polytropon , cpghost , Glen Barber Subject: RE: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:57:34 -0000 Yes, and that old urban legend, that Windows NT is "better" than VMS, so the initials are one higher in each position - at least in my alphabet: VMS WNT Lots of interesting little things between VMS and WNT. G PS: Sorry again for top posting - I'll try harder! Is this appropriate topic for this list? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Kelly Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:49 PM To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: cpghost; Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Glen Barber Subject: Re: Open_Source On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:32:38PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > >A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > >reliable and secure. >=20 > At least is said too, i never used or even seen VMS. When Digital Equipment Corporation collapsed, the architect(s) of VMS went to Microsoft and were given NT to mold in their own likeness. This is where rings of security levels originated in modern Windows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler NT 3.5 and possibly 4.0 supported VMS-like versioned files as part of the filesystem. --=20 David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:04:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061321065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57DE8FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MBvlP-0004Uy-0r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:04:39 +0000 Received: from pool-70-21-5-8.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.5.8]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:04:39 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-5-8.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:04:39 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:06:08 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-5-8.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:04:43 -0000 David Collins wrote: > Hi, > > I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it > is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet > device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. > > When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer > (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I > unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes > to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that > both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable > works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. > > Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? > One thing to consider is you may require a crossover cable for a computer to computer connection (e.g., no hub or switch in use). Most newer equipment will auto configure for any cabling arrangement so it doesn't matter if it's a straight-thru or crossover; but if you are using a straight-thru it may be failing because the old card is balking. Try using a crossover cable and see if it makes any difference. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:05:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC33106567B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659088FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53J5VTn024740; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:05:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53J5VEA024737; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:05:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:05:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: David Collins In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:05:36 -0000 > unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes > to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that > both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable > works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. > > Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? > bad cable or not swapped at all. between 2 computers you have to make swapped cable on one side put green pair in place of yellow, yellow in place of green, brown in place of blue and blue in place of brown. If it's 10 or 100 Mbps ethernet blue&brown doesn't matter, only 2 pairs are used. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:09:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EF5106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A698FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53J8oa4024761; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53J8oX8024758; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com><20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet><20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Glen Barber , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, cpghost Subject: RE: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:09:16 -0000 > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? Is it true OSS? No. it's just product name, and is closed source. They changed the name when IMHO it started to provide some api that allow porting apps from other systems (like unix) easier. > Also, how many people actually review source code AND have the skills to > find security related issues? very few. and even less actually do this. some do it to actually make use of security holes, not fix it. Even more probable, they use it for some time, and then tell when they'll find another ;) > I like "Open" for all the reasons most people do, but not convinced > having access to source to review for security holes is a major > "feature". I like source to fix things and add features / The only feature of open source is ... open source and no paying for program. Everything else - depends of actual software :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:10:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFF0106568D for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8503A8FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53JALC6024774; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:10:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53JAL6R024771; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:10:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:10:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE93@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603184836.GA46417@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE93@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: cpghost , Polytropon , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org, Glen Barber Subject: RE: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:10:41 -0000 > Yes, and that old urban legend, that Windows NT is "better" than VMS, so > the initials are one higher in each position - at least in my alphabet: Actually - this man and few others from Digital made good job on kernel programming. Micro-soft f..ed everything else up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:11:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D67B1065676 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D948FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4071F1BC for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:11:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SFo-UDhK8ZO9 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:11:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60F681F1AF for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:11:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:10:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:11:08 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:36:37 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will > work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". Well, the problem is that I wanted to have a "bare-metal" ZFS system without any FreeBSD slices or partitions. > If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really > bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. It was more of the "just in case", with plenty of RAM for normal operation. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:24:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2861065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0A08FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53JOXNJ024904; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:24:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53JOXC5024901; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:24:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:24:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:24:38 -0000 > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:36:37 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will >> work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". > > Well, the problem is that I wanted to have a "bare-metal" ZFS system without > any FreeBSD slices or partitions. slices are not needed with any fs. partitions - you need at least boot partition. > >> If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really >> bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. > > It was more of the "just in case", with plenty of RAM for normal operation. > -- so just don't set up swap at all, or do under ZFS as it's "just in case" not normal operation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:35:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8371065675 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902578FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565A516C019D; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53JZVGZ002218; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:35:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:35:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Gary Gatten" Message-Id: <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, cpghost Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:35:42 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrot= e: > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere?=20 VMS is called OpenVMS today, and owned by HP, if I remember correctly - I didn't check, sorry.=F6 > Is it true OSS? No. I mentioned VMS as an example that even closed source can be of high quality (as an exception to MICROS~1 stuff). > Also, how many people actually review source code AND have the skills to > find security related issues?=20 Obviously enough of them - OpenSSH is an example. --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 19:39:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4B61065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DDF8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D0B16C031D; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:39:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53JdOiP002240; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:39:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:39:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090603213924.3695c53b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:51:49 +0000 Cc: Gary Gatten , Polytropon , Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, cpghost Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:39:26 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? Is it true OSS? > > No. it's just product name, and is closed source. Yes. > They changed the name when IMHO it started to provide some api > that allow porting apps from other systems (like unix) easier. The "Open" indicates that it is conform to certain standards, like "it's open for interoperability" in terms of certain interfaces. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:13:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2B1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953618FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53KDhHP048311; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:13:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07F66BAA3; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:13:43 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:13:46 -0000 --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wr= ote: > > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere?=20 There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ No idea of the state it is in. The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkom2XYACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWTqACfe3O3qK5f9pG8QFwYZD4g7srb pjYAn3uTPPl/Uy1n4G5BBMC12V98vSGk =o0bA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:21:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAE6106568E for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C378FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53KKnAB027337; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:20:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53KKn43027334; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:20:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:20:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:21:01 -0000 > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > No idea of the state it is in. basically doesn't work. > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. downloading From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:36:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6246F106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4D48FC0C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBC58E8442; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:36:08 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:36:23 -0000 Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:15>> >> >> I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical >> observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even >> exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the >> potential donor. >> >> That's all I have to say. The sooner this thread and its godforsaken >> stepchildren die, the better. >> >> > so stop posting and shut up about "being aggressive" to "potential > donor"==real spammer. I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have whatever ridiculous opinions you want, and I and others can rebut them to our heart's content, but do not presume that you have some right or privilege to tell anyone on this list to "shut up" and "stop posting". Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:47:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D62106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C9C8FC1A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94498E8441 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:23:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:23:09 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: An adage for gmirror users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:47:57 -0000 I was recently updating my 7-STABLE system from a 7.1-PRERELEASE era tree, and after having quite an unexpected headache doing so I have a few words of wisdom. When updating FreeBSD, treat it like a car and ALWAYS CHECK YOUR MIRRORS! My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from ad4s1a by default, since that's the first probed disk, and that kernel is not the one I installed to the mirror! It took a little while for that to sink in as I built and rebuilt and re-re-built the kernel, perplexed that not only did my version in uname never changed from 7.1-PRERELEASE, but also that the build number in uname output never changed and I could see the recently written kernel in an ls of /boot/kernel (when all filesystems were mounted). I gmirror forget'ed gm0 and rebuilt ad4, and all was right in the world again. So there you have it, learn from my oblivious mistake and remember to check your mirrors! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:47:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9681065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BDD8FC16 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C588E843A; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:51:38 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Erik Osterholm , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:47:57 -0000 Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/02/09 18:01>> >>> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not >>> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with >>> every potential new user. >> >> I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant >> tone would be nice. > > Mine too. What i really don't like here sometimes are lack of > discussion, just agressive answers from some people. > I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the potential donor. That's all I have to say. The sooner this thread and its godforsaken stepchildren die, the better. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:49:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37B210656CF for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043628FC1D for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53Kna2p027556; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:49:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53KnarA027553; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:49:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:49:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:49:42 -0000 >> donor"==real spammer. > > I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of > your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each all your opinions > criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the > freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have whatever ridiculous > opinions you want, and I and others can rebut them to our heart's > content, but do not presume that you have some right or privilege to > tell anyone on this list to "shut up" and "stop posting". Thank you. > > I replied to you privately, and you said about stopping that thread. Yet - you forwarded this on public. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:50:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02841065751 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A98FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so273742fxm.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=r/eBP9r5mZJh0T6X3bJeWAW60bz1B5AwF3LTmBE3PMM=; b=IoUuNDQC6s4dq74rQ0fC7eeiJ2YN/3MA1qZyPSNfIvKQJcXWM+2g9UcZGVW8x4v0S0 3ijxRVpUZftdu3cN5/W5c5H0xCbvZp/Q4a1MyhvSlJ2RV1MU+p3hwG45bMW3XHc5Q4dh a5pmQ6YDOWnDhAaUw1BR35sFmZXbCZ6Zk7CFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kcw8vZCs6CwEtQfz/mZzrpIuHDgG0/3SmZ90mzZHTxImDw4ivavGCWQXJ2AEkiNKny EIkMbnG1D2q7OFg/JtrgImeAPJnsXq16Si09JDblIiXKcoiIWltNm2rK+13wOoPZz9eK uhhoiux20SpdCdRfsp7hzB91hRQun2Uq5UodI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.141 with SMTP id r13mr1218777bkq.181.1244062244098; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:50:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100 Message-ID: To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:50:46 -0000 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > No idea of the state it is in. > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:56:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6574106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD0E8FC12 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53Ktw4R027617; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:55:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53Ktv5J027614; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:55:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:55:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:56:04 -0000 >> >> The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > i have no VMS knowledge so for now i just booted it on qemu and on computer directly. loads quickly, i logged in and for now don't know any more ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:56:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5715210656A9 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7998FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:56:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9CF3D0DC; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53KuPRa002641; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:56:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:56:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:56:33 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 20:58:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A578A106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBEE8FC1A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53KwBQt027655; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:58:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53KwARW027652; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:58:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:58:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: An adage for gmirror users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:58:20 -0000 > My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a > finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 or bad cables. > timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after > installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors > and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . > So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems > mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point > consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: #!/bin/sh /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F3D1065672 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97188FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5533CB2A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53L3FaB002682 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:03:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:03:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:03:22 -0000 I'm looking to an existing way to output a date in the format YY/DDD, where YY is the year (last two digits) and DDD is the of the year, starting from 1, preceeded by zeroes if needed, and YYYY/DDD, where YYYY is the year with four digits, such as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. I've read "man date" and "man strftime", and it didn't look like this is already built in. What am I missing? If it's not invented yet, I'll do this on my own, but maybe I don't need to re-invent the wheel. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:07:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73F3106568B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CA698FC22 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: (qmail 76106 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 21:07:12 -0000 Received: from poshta.pknet.net (HELO pop.pknet.net) (216.241.167.213) by poshta.pknet.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 21:07:12 -0000 Received: from 216.241.167.212 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by webmail.pknet.net with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <07c5daf976003376fe3679b7a872c0a5.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "Peter" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: nfs / showmount using wrong IP -> nfs weirdness X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:07:14 -0000 Setting up a test lab and ran into a weird NFS mounting problem: [7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun 2 12:02:57 MDT 2009] denver:#ifconfig fxp0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.123.45.215 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.123.45.255 denver:#grep cherno /etc/hosts 172.20.6.210 cherno 116.123.45.210 cherno denver:#ping -c1 cherno PING cherno (172.20.6.210): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.210: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.363 ms denver:#showmount -e 172.20.6.210|wc -l 8 denver:#showmount cherno|wc -l ^Cdenver:# it fails to 'showmount' via hostname. On the NFS Server/on cherno:: 10. 014455 00:02:b3:89:82:6e > 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 98: 116.123.45.215.994 > 116.123.45.210.111: UDP, length 56 Why is it trying to use the other IP/entry from the hosts file? Now, if I remove the "public" ip from the interface: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 -alias 116.123.45.215 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 Then if I add another subnet to fxp0 it still works: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 alias 116.123.45.15/24 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 Then it fails again: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 -alias 116.123.45.15 denver:#ifconfig fxp0 alias 116.123.45.215/24 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l ^Cdenver:# Now uncomment the public IP from /etc/hosts: denver:#grep cherno /etc/hosts 172.20.6.210 cherno #116.123.45.210 cherno it still has the 'evil' public ip: denver:#ifconfig fxp0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.123.45.215 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.123.45.255 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 denver:#netstat -rna Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 522 lo0 172.20.6.0/24 link#2 UC 0 0 fxp0 172.20.6.210 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0 UHLW 1 31 fxp0 569 172.20.6.213 00:03:47:e8:4e:11 UHLW 1 1264 fxp0 91 116.123.45.0/24 link#2 UC 0 0 fxp0 116.123.45.210 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0 UHLW 1 1 fxp0 1136 It seems if the alias IP on fxp0 is from 116.123.45.192 -> 223 it fails, and does not even try to use the 172.20.6.X... ssh/ping/file server/ftp/etc - Everything else works fine using /etc/hosts and from there it is using the 172.20.6.X network, only NFS wants to use the 116 network.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:07:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D221065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B9B8FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC2121347 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRwiEkmQpGvJ for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D3B22133F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:07:17 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 04:03:14 pm Polytropon wrote: > I'm looking to an existing way to output a date in the format > YY/DDD, where YY is the year (last two digits) and DDD is the > of the year, starting from 1, preceeded by zeroes if needed, > and YYYY/DDD, where YYYY is the year with four digits, such > as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. Like this? $ date +'%y/%j' 09/154 $ date +'%Y/%j' 2009/154 -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:07:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41B71065686 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643F78FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53L6JX7002105; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:06:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC17898FB; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:06:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A141E74D8F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:06:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:06:19 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Open_Source thread-index: AcnkjeIm8A0egMM6R+SirKIJz2qZfQAARbDw References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de><20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Polytropon" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 21:06:19.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[240BA910:01C9E48F] Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: RE: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:07:34 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Polytropon [mailto:freebsd@edvax.de]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:56 PM To: utisoft@gmail.com Cc: Chris Rees; Roland Smith; Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >=20 > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) LMAO! Browsed the page a little and the OS sounds interesting though. Whatever happened to BeOS?
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:08:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C351065674 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4CC8FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so280018bwz.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lMtob68b3+2AwmWRJd4/2P3SEX0FxbbTAxl5ebvQ4NI=; b=SZ6xhjc2MCdQMalL9EMmQQZvdTE9zsQiWFDeiQ420Ik5eR23++iLIn8M81AWuNZR3a nF4zrlZUIBNW8GjY5BAgvVI7AhzYuY6y+uQ4stG7c4L5R1roV+3qeool36VSZj5YkySK AtiQlMQzqONqUeogFgv2Wu2vsJ4ou5IehlJi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vKdwE7eaSsiT/xZoN8gJgNY7MGvm02shgyXBc8fVJpHfGEioupyQUxf74EVesMW1he hBQhCIFsRXei1HsKDIEkRNYECbdrJANpjJaxLgagIrdWn0VjjBtudT/oXSmVkGEH4xcj atyzAtFO/SF6ssMTDPEKeINss4ZkDi/ylISw0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.10 with SMTP id s10mr1319907bkr.34.1244063285293; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:07:45 +0100 Message-ID: To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:08:09 -0000 2009/6/3 Polytropon : > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) > > Yeah, and the apologies for inclusion of COMMENTS /* gasp */ -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:13:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E8310656ED for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE53D8FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53LCwLp027866; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:12:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53LCwCm027863; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:12:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:12:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:13:09 -0000 > as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. > > I've read "man date" and "man strftime", and it didn't look > like this is already built in. > > What am I missing? > > If it's not invented yet, I'll do this on my own, but maybe > I don't need to re-invent the wheel. :-) > #include #include main(int argc,char **argv) { time_t tmp1=time(0); struct tm tmp2; localtime_r(&tmp1,&tmp2); if(argc>1) printf("%02d",(tmp2.tm_year/100)+19); printf("%02d/%03d\n",tmp2.tm_year%100,tmp2.tm_yday+1); return 0; }; started with no arguments gives YY/DDD, with any argument - YYYY/DDD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:15:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91631106567D for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB8E8FC26 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6108E821A; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:14:50 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Reid Linnemann , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: An adage for gmirror users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:15:07 -0000 Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:58>> >> My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a >> finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 > > or bad cables. > I'll have to try different cables sometime, you may very well be correct. >> timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after >> installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors >> and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . >> So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems >> mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point >> consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from > > i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: > > #!/bin/sh > /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ > mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl > > anyway - what a sense of using gmirror without regularly checking of > failures at all? Touché! I set up my mirror after my last disk started dying and I realized I needed at least some minimal fault protection. Mirroring seemed expedient. My ideal situation would be additionally backing up things I can't bear to lose on optical or tape media, but as this is my hobby machine and I have many adult responsibilities that fall before it, some things just have to wait. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:20:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D691106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C089E8FC24 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53LK6ld027910; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:20:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53LK6xn027907; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:20:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:20:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-11495294-1244064006=:27885" Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: An adage for gmirror users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:20:13 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-11495294-1244064006=:27885 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT >> >> or bad cables. >> > > I'll have to try different cables sometime, you may very well be correct. i had such problems many times. it always was cables or disk drive. Disk drive - check with smartmontools from ports. >> i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ >> mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl > Surely you jest! You presume that I have access to cheap, unrestrictive > communications technology ;) In the US, ISPs prevent clients routing > their own mail and text messages are outrageously expensive with our > cell carriers! Seriously though, that's a good idea. Maybe I could have so just send it to your mail! Actually - only one operator in Poland still work this way, and doesn't officially say it's supported. And it's the only reason i still use it, as others are bit cheaper. > Touché! I set up my mirror after my last disk started dying and I How about regular backups? mirroring is only protection agains downtime, not loss of data that, as you may lose data because of other reasons. Like accidental deletion, someone cracking into, hardware failure causing reading nonsense from disk and then writing nonsense results to both drives etc. etc. > realized I needed at least some minimal fault protection. Mirroring > seemed expedient. My ideal situation would be additionally backing up > things I can't bear to lose on optical or tape media, but as this is my DVDs are not expensive. and usually really small part of disk space needs to be backed up. --1626729238-11495294-1244064006=:27885-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:33:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA1B1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13828FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id 90E4C3C0435; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:33:02 -0700 From: Chris Cowart To: Reid Linnemann Message-ID: <20090603213302.GM49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Reid Linnemann , Wojciech Puchar , Reid Linnemann , freebsd-questions References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hXth9cGL35Nvpk4x" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Reid Linnemann , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: An adage for gmirror users X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:33:05 -0000 --hXth9cGL35Nvpk4x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:58>> > > i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: > >=20 > > #!/bin/sh > > /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ > > mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl =20 > Surely you jest! You presume that I have access to cheap, unrestrictive > communications technology ;) In the US, ISPs prevent clients routing > their own mail and text messages are outrageously expensive with our > cell carriers! Seriously though, that's a good idea. Maybe I could have > it wall the message and/or put it in /etc/motd to get my attention. Or simply put daily_status_gmirror_enable=3D"YES" in /etc/periodic.conf and watch your dailies. --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --hXth9cGL35Nvpk4x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJKJuwOAAoJEIGh6j3cHUNPB1oP/jLfnChnTmppzqVqBj5JsJX4 qRleKhhBYS1yXxfOp4nXr+g2ub826OS1aPvi0TwLimD1Z1xG1tyQjtMKnoTkG/it Pwrd07utvhNEJa3AW3lvnxdx4FmSg+njTFjFfjKSS+hlKrEBpP3YkIj62i36j8sq Pk6KY0+4Q/S+FOtxiRtdsLh56kefW6oR8Qi8JYZ0FXHO/WioZeP2b5D+GvZ0rSnG D2dR/tR/I6krX+O6aW4iF8wTokx+NbgNsIkYqJEkhPpDCpE9mNMnIMsuihDnivPL eiNnNwfjDvAdb9BFfvXQBtAOz5jii67ziUGFB3kiYv6Jgp9sbLB5cM0VLMC8LdOG 3XZHxzVjiquEpzBaV01Hi+wqcL3iQVyBu34zHYPWhW68qrwUlxkO9qXWV8F86q0y Ced29F1ZIL4Cu0wZXqBRXlBAd2OlWWSwG/ht8nU0cOI0IQ1EBex3FTI8ipi5kUJP bOvWASsveZ/OMx/hTrzN6+VyxaHRVZlrzXHwBOYqmtk3oDOC04GCT4+hMRkND+1R N6xq7BotlFJ/Ak1vjDrCTvGx7r2UF4Ua2bdy49vjhqWHJNYk9q+f1KS9fIQNuO2J jOLP/0qS+xO6Q0sS1L7faXNnXBgMncKm8I/qwbf18ajy84oVSfdC++BdZTOAAsS4 wNLqzatxvTR2C7JDeJJ9 =4i64 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hXth9cGL35Nvpk4x-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:52:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCB8106564A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D68FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD2F3CFFC; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:52:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53LqJE5002834; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:52:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:52:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kirk Strauser Message-Id: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:52:26 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:11 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Like this? > > $ date +'%y/%j' > 09/154 > $ date +'%Y/%j' > 2009/154 Exactly. After re-reading "man strftime", I really found it mentioned there: %j is replaced by the day of the year as a decimal number (001-366). Would be nice to have this in "man date", too. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 21:55:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFADA106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F608FC23 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D3250A90 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:55:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A989E509C6 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:55:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:55:56 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Subject: Stale lockfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:55:58 -0000 Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. thanks, Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 22:00:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960010656BE for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3788FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9848F21953 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id figW2pdCNi9L for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4307221947 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:00:52 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 04:52:19 pm Polytropon wrote: > Exactly. After re-reading "man strftime", I really found it > mentioned there: > > %j is replaced by the day of the year as a decimal number > (001-366). > > Would be nice to have this in "man date", too. :-) Well, I see the point of documenting it in one canonical location, and pointing everything else at that location (instead of having to maintain every related man page every time it's updated). -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 22:09:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317E61065670 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:09:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E92D8FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:08:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53M8snH028262; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:08:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53M8sCg028259; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:08:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:08:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jos Chrispijn In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Message-ID: References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Stale lockfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:09:01 -0000 > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? > Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. that you use portupgrade -a before and it was stopped by some way and did not removed it's lock file. Now it found a lock file, but no longer process that it referenced too, so it gave a message and deleted it From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 22:25:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F80B106566C for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946808FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:25:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidcollins001@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so499707ewy.43 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3ZPMNwADvgYUFBuhhYDFw7GaksuymwLYuBSuN3L3Nd8=; b=qTiQQiRRIQdzync8awrKwjclpR3OaIp3ngnV8sb/VRX6C84J/4UC9ZR+U3yDyd8hA8 sVSBOteqOEXbl1FXtRQkyW7eibtWRHOnsXerIN8LCbwTsOZRgdYKrZ/+0dRIveRSR0Ql OiTcXieZ61F5KWnqFCQJjUHy4DXmNKSvjbWA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AVewfUQQYMsAbrb/mtsV6H6ofpI1z/noTxwaig+WZeeupdeEoPhDt90ZpOej148i/L bFl0jcnTZvhws/4kR1LxXRXkqgXPuLoobDCSwDUraf+ejd1/Q2Xy5O+6uzaC9XB57yJy Nmz6xadSXF7HI/Bi5gN8uXhA2v9qd0UpaVF+c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.21.211 with SMTP id r61mr486213wer.211.1244067917512; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:25:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> From: David Collins To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davidcollins001@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:25:19 -0000 On 03/06/2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes >> to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that >> both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable >> works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? >> > bad cable or not swapped at all. > > between 2 computers you have to make swapped cable on one side put green > pair in place of yellow, yellow in place of green, brown in place of blue > and blue in place of brown. > > If it's 10 or 100 Mbps ethernet blue&brown doesn't matter, only 2 pairs > are used. > The cable works find and so does the network card. I have it plugged into my ibook and am sshing across it - everything works fine and as it should when using freebsd to osx, just can't do the same from freebsd to freebsd. 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Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E61F8FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A1816C0105; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:01:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n53N0sJI003685; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:00:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:00:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Kirk Strauser Message-Id: <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:01:02 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:45 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Well, I see the point of documenting it in one canonical location, and > pointing everything else at that location (instead of having to maintain every > related man page every time it's updated). I really shoud have paid more attention to strftime manual, allthough I noticed it in the text of "man date", saying: The format string may contain any of the conversion specifications described in the strftime(3) manual page, as well as any arbitrary text. And it was mentioned in SEE ALSO". This is how I got from "man date" to "man strftime" where I should have recognized the correct answer. Life is hard if you can't read properly. :-) PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell something similar about Linux, sadly. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 23:14:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795D41065700 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834FC8FC1F for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53NEDuX028618; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53NECXf028615; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:14:24 -0000 > > > > PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell > something similar about Linux, sadly. > --- This manual is no longer maintained. It may contain wrong informations. Use textinfo or even better out webpage --- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 3 23:15:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEA61065674 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2308FC27 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53NEtVZ028626; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n53NEspK028623; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:14:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: David Collins In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ethernet card not working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:15:00 -0000 >> > > The cable works find and so does the network card. I have it plugged is it crossover cable for sure? > into my ibook and am sshing across it - everything works fine and as > it should when using freebsd to osx, just can't do the same from some cards MAY work without crossing over pairs - they autodetect it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 00:34:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9320B106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6508FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:34:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9D121A88; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:34:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tNpp3gasmH+L; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:34:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.7.103] (wlan2-103.honeypot.net [10.0.7.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0293321A7F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:34:31 -0500 (CDT) References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-Id: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> From: Kirk Strauser To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPod Mail (5H11a) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 5H11a) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:34:59 -0500 Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:34:35 -0000 Ignore him please. Sent from my iPod -- Kirk On Jun 3, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> >> PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell >> something similar about Linux, sadly. >> > --- > This manual is no longer maintained. It may contain wrong > informations. Use textinfo or even better out webpage > --- > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 00:37:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF0106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freecsb@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225FF8FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freecsb@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so198147ana.13 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:37:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=w0pZ4HB52i3mlgo7GRBD4LD4C0Asdvdae9srvQp+nJU=; b=DJnWffn0gLAKS+5G34CBrQ6OWYguDwEsLjZ0GTzR9WA7ojZGpC3eFGWe9kM5CT2gP/ JXhRe9+EpJ3D1Y1bYZ83yaqtnz6206iJmoFLF0aReaKwe7KDMiH06Roc55+f6oBpSgrq BQsF11Z0eOr9rlP1rl6aMdsvj2RpTk/xplbJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KQ3ph8v0wVcvnamJqGLc6ew4d6fWOEuaPnIFzlmHXQn5lZMVPx0ILSu2TjFWGDz33T TLWvf+2MUXOuDBU/n9iU5Eo+L+owhOKFhUNuas/yZERj9Gbx5jo/t+ITl2zDBhphpQp5 nOdMBm3aIb0NvNhPPyNI2eM79NR56arHbfLFU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.141.2 with SMTP id o2mr1895647and.151.1244074419388; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:13:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:13:37 -0400 Message-ID: <90f0a2770906031713t52da65e8we5bc0f5a73a881b9@mail.gmail.com> From: Chad Brown To: Jos Chrispijn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Stale lockfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:37:19 -0000 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? > Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. > > thanks, > Jos Chrispijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The point is to indicate that a process (e.g., portupgrade) is currently running. Multiple instances of portupgrade running at the same time might do some strange things. As W. Puchar says, portupgrade detected the lock file (from a previous unfinished instance), but there were no current portupgrade processes running. Thus, the lockfile was "stale", and was deleted. 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References 1. http://www.protocolinfogate.com/moneybookers/directory.php?app=login.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 03:49:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A86106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net (Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net [64.251.15.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC28C8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net) Received: from cpe-24-167-59-175.hot.res.rr.com ([24.167.59.175] helo=RawFedDogs.net) by Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MC3wg-0003at-QK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:48:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:48:58 -0500 From: Kevin Monceaux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090604034857.GA5800@RawFedDogs.net> References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: dokpm0@Phideaux.RawFedDogs.net Subject: Re: Stale lockfile X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kevin@RawFedDogs.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 03:49:06 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:55:56PM +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? Got the message > 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. When portupgrade is working correctly the lock file(s) should be removed after the database updates. Did this by any chance start after upgrading Ruby? That's when my portupgrade stopped deleting the lock files, and I've seen one post on the ports mailing list mentioning similar symptoms after Ruby was upgraded. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 06:24:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8090106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com (mail-gx0-f210.google.com [209.85.217.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73E38FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 06:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so605812gxk.19 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QOa8Ax9rqx0JFiCmrpl6OQLIZrYU5Z3O5GXVj0ZBPTY=; b=Af7a55xQ04ngpMf/dSpW14RY2Vrh5Bd45mnt39oZEaF5/soY86F8J0H4+zVYF6RLp9 k29aC0o86e2H4HCisgudJqP/d5nCivXZN4Q8gRIyVBmd6oEB+ut1tlmTUcRpkzXqqPXc 2ChNvi2NTpdL0rEq0+p56WXLpMYPRIE7WSbbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=IG1MPqIEtOnE6RULj0Pq1zX1LR8nOUUpFuk2W2l40vmLGLPG6j8hzghWZaalUieTpu mF73TMLZQNrAqzEnmyfDcAb5/0HA5lmTXCAZnN/dEAwGI3IJd8UMKuJK8UBQ1Z+FktEZ TdIWRHF/GLWcZJAUk0fiaPg51KtJ5VghwrAsM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.139.7 with SMTP id r7mr2892536ybn.109.1244096573767; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:22:53 +0800 Message-ID: <2c66535d0906032322s1c8e6a5fk167295332384e4db@mail.gmail.com> From: PstreeM China To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: what about BadAtom Error? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:24:05 -0000 i mean that , use the command $rox ... that's ok , i can explorer my directory and file . but , i want Rox to Manager my desktop , use the command #rox -p default ,the error is still there . befer upgrade the ports (#portupgrade -arR) , the rox is worked fine ! On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/3 PstreeM China : > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Rees > wrote: > >> > >> 2009/6/1 PstreeM China : > >> > hi all: > >> > > >> > yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade > >> > -arR ... > >> > then , my program rox is error .. > >> > Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. > >> > > >> > how can i Fix it ??? thanks All !! > >> > > >> > use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: > >> > ############### > >> > (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: > >> > assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed > >> > The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. > >> > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > >> > The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. > >> > (Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) > >> > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > >> > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > >> > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > >> > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > >> > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > >> > function.) > >> > ##################### > >> > >> Try portupgrade -fr rox > >> > >> Sometimes just recompiling and relinking can help; stops dependencies > >> on stale libraries. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > > > > after reinstall the rox-filer , there is not help me to fix it .. > > > > thanks all the time.. > > > > > > Do you mean it hasn't worked, and hasn't fixed it? > > Chris > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 08:08:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F251065670 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2668FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5487obO031388; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:07:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5487mQW031385; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:07:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:07:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Kirk Strauser In-Reply-To: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:08:06 -0000 > Ignore him please. because? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 09:23:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F12E106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537F8FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so555546bwz.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5I59/PLagAPLqhzIn5KXyklOOH5AdU7fdUZuDD12VHg=; b=YjACF86utqalgs0+evN7qLkW9hubj3JCMctBiAC5pgnd0oFf87bdWrjyVfRYPfCvRA ZWzM8YGgFpLQ3D2Agzj+UijAi9TCeePHBxOZoZr8oTl1DGpDFRQI5p8X6O/iuzWz6DU4 biD5pLcHg7rvAVpx0EEA95k/WuklLrK2NbG5g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GPRSoJx7WjhXltrI9D0g1z3/htIv1SheGMTt0UZFRLvRAEuizZnSTF5076AE07QOUZ JMbY2mje6Z4fF6/EgfiOfzES5fy0RuO+iENB34is8rKwOjpOTLlBVWNOzCAYAZql3m5N uIn7rWYqesIR1YdnkvUSscQpjGsCIYlSQIABI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.75 with SMTP id x11mr1855317bkc.1.1244107434306; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:23:34 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:23:56 -0000 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : >> Ignore him please. > > because? The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD system, you'll get the man page. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 09:40:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B4B106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6CA8FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n549dpf1031992; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:39:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n549do6T031989; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:39:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:39:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:40:01 -0000 >> >> because? > > The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of > documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD > system, you'll get the man page. indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as usual? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 10:39:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934CA1065676 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A638FC1A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F0A7E837; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 02:39:05 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:39:02 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906041239.02692.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Ghirai Subject: Re: phidgets for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:39:09 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 14:07:53 Ghirai wrote: > Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets > (http://www.phidgets.com? I think you have the question backwards - it should be "does Phidgets support FreeBSD" and that you can answer. There seems to be "linux source", how far did you get trying to compile it? -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 10:54:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA7B1065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484E98FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.228]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:53:59 -0700 Message-ID: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:53:56 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2009 10:54:00.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4421450:01C9E502] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Dan Naumov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:54:21 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list. >> >> I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some >> argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete >> all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their >> dependancies)? > > just do > > pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist > edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z > > do > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` > rm /tmp/pkglist > > ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires > it. it's exactly what you want. > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat /tmp/pkglist` installed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 11:22:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965771065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16548FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54BMMmG032650; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:22:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54BMLAU032647; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:22:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:22:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd1 In-Reply-To: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Dan Naumov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:22:34 -0000 >> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. >> it's exactly what you want. >> >> > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat > /tmp/pkglist` installed > > for sure you used ' instead of ` From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 10:36:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9C2106564A for ; 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"Lord please takes special care of the person reading= this message Amen! =0A =0ACELL NO: 08036707440 OR 234 8036707440=0A=0A=0A= =0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 11:32:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3E4106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767108FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54BWSQi032709; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:32:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54BWRTk032706; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:32:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:32:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Deji Ogunsanya In-Reply-To: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forgotten password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:32:35 -0000 > Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i will need an assitance on how to get it changed. boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press enter. then /sbin/mount / /usr/bin/passwd change password then press CTRL-D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 11:48:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F55106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joji@eskimo.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E111A8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:48:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joji@eskimo.com) Received: from shell.eskimo.com (root@shell.eskimo.com [204.122.16.72]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54BboIQ029881; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:37:50 -0700 Received: from shell.eskimo.com (joji@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shell.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54BbqG2020482; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:37:52 -0700 Received: (from joji@localhost) by shell.eskimo.com (8.14.3/8.12.10/Submit) id n54BbpUx020481; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:37:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 04:37:51 -0700 From: Joseph Olatt To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Deji Ogunsanya Subject: Re: Forgotten password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:48:37 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:32:27PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i > >will need an assitance on how to get it changed. > boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. > > after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press > enter. > > then > > /sbin/mount / > /usr/bin/passwd Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed. If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then: /usr/bin/passwd > change password > > then press CTRL-D > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 11:51:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CFA106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5078FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED827E83F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 03:51:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:51:24 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906041351.25170.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Deji Ogunsanya Subject: Re: Forgotten password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:51:34 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 13:32:27 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i > > will need an assitance on how to get it changed. > > boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. > > after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press > enter. > > then > fsck -p /etc/rc.d/mountcritlocal start > /sbin/mount / ^^^ strike that > /usr/bin/passwd ^^^ won't work if /usr seperate partition and isn't mounted ^^^ will work on root user, which OP doesn't state he lost the password for. /usr/bin/passwd -l username to change for a specific user. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 11:54:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2171B106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9DD8FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (cazador.sisis.de [193.31.11.193]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F4E184F0988; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n54BsIWZ005068; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:54:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:54:18 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Didi Message-ID: <20090604115418.GA5052@current.Sisis.de> References: <20a764e60811260655m378d1e0dh669ca4369d5faa5a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20a764e60811260655m378d1e0dh669ca4369d5faa5a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: Andrew Gould , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: presentation application (other than OpenOffice)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:54:20 -0000 El día Wednesday, November 26, 2008 a las 02:55:43PM +0000, Didi escribió: > You might want to have a look at > http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ > Works in a browser ;) any idea why S5 does not work in KDE's 3.5.x Konqueror? for example this page shows up only blank in Konqueror: http://www.unixarea.de/OpenMokoLiaHab/ while it works fine in Firefox... Thanks in advance for any hint matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 12:01:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37741065680 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F658FC2C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54C0wEb032982; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:00:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54C0w5d032978; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:00:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:00:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Joseph Olatt In-Reply-To: <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> Message-ID: References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Deji Ogunsanya Subject: Re: Forgotten password X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:01:25 -0000 >> /sbin/mount / >> /usr/bin/passwd > > Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed. > If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then: what a sense to reboot and get single user mode to change non-root password? just log as root and then change From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:07:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACF8106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C468FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54D7WkV012667 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:07:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906041307.n54D7WkV012667@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <12665.1244120852.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:07:32 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:07:53 -0000 Tyson Boellstorff writes: > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:07:57 Gary Gatten wrote: > > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > > collection. Have you checked there? > > > > I believe OP is looking for assurances that the oracle 7 and 8 clients > listed > in ports/databases would work. If he just needs a connection and to run > ANSI > SQL, it would work just as fine or maybe a little better than ODBC. The > problem is that some things are not supported in the 7/8 clients that he > may > want. In that case, he should be looking at running the linux-based > clients > for more direct supportability from Oracle. First, my sincere thanks to everybody who answered. I did look in ports first thing and found a bewildering array of possibilities. We are going to be querying a Pinnacle server and I suspect the suggestions to use the linux-based instant clients are going to be what we need. I presently know next to nothing useful about oracle data bases so the suggestions are much appreciated. My understanding of the project we have been asked to do is that we go to the Pinnacle server, query the data base and look for a given flag that something new is here, pull in what is new, massage some headers and then send them to another device. Only the initial retrieval uses the oracle data base, but it is not a data base we control so we get it from the Pinnacle server and we will have to speak in tones it likes.:-) Martin McCormick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:28:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F83C106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77998FC1A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so343563fxm.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N/0Zkbwzp9e0lH0M5JoCTB3sOo9/05xtLWEoRxMJO8A=; b=vFEaKnLlGAYjKUwOJM6ZPEFlGNOTEdaIyibgXLlJiHEAZWivciwmCKFgQYYwugjcfI qS+478qDescP4MtIwCpeZxLzXIc8zkgSwh7ylXI10Y507/BBLCKFbb+yzcnhJO7UREaN wLAETe9ucmTWbDrv1/T4ZWwlajgHjaNE8RqJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nSt3Jh630DxUSfrf0D/t4NJUC+8xzUHn0CJhM8Zk0UoYGZm9PM/FJf/ogEsWPHVdfI TMz0XmzdfVmRIdHRxvocO7pod+rmv1H+t4fov9/K351jDx30vl0dhZHUp2ZyvsMioX21 IvjZlbmn4kMUfhDmn41IDqSO0SBOl/V6OEjNs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.141 with SMTP id r13mr1958829bkq.181.1244122108624; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:28:08 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:28:30 -0000 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : >>> >>> because? >> >> The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of >> documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD >> system, you'll get the man page. > > indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as > usual? > As usual? Beg pardon, would you care to point out where I've done that before? I'd imagine he's also talking about the Handbook, and the fact that man pages are infinitely easier to read and get useful information out of than texinfo pages. Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed. Perhaps explain what you mean rather than copy-pasting from somewhere, or even worse, typing it WRONG from memory? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:46:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8E5106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from comp.john@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f226.google.com (mail-bw0-f226.google.com [209.85.218.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFA98FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from comp.john@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz26 with SMTP id 26so94159bwz.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:46:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6H64yQz1VItRfdEOzGPtGkszF78TQjOs7R9epHfe8cs=; b=REl9/bCDuL4NMPxC4259Ovx0REhHZwqug7H5J7A6ih2RglJ8C7MTKI8NQprGSXFBHs EvcBeBN/RGxLVQtyYE03N8JAhFD7xY3wAYMNPhL0b0Ze7eKYtmH8PaSTnUBmxEmWszsw pZ8sAbKZkinvH6BxCDgCk/KlLRHpgRgGZTvJM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pZWcjqpia2ZZCzUyRuRNiiRiGcOPqWuUir+19gUAHxL0ifMIFOMNBcaXSzkdQmN/TK tfSyUb08qiGM2JGua+bBvvJU3v0sbZhNyiUFlbxXmnK2i2CnndvmLtyOaqr73yv5fZqY 3Ec+3VPFCdBnhwGBQF+XeO+Z/tUfJJfIGXO/Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.136 with SMTP id a8mr1329380faq.101.1244123171784; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:46:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John ." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:46:13 -0000 Hello list, Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation CD, or must boot.flp be used as per http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ? (the machine has no floppy drive (yet) thanks -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:49:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E291065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:49:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AC18FC25 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:49:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54DnXSr033699; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:49:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54DnXHn033696; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:49:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:49:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "John ." In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:49:42 -0000 > Hello list, > > Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > CD, or must boot.flp be used as per make your own CD add file boot.config containing just one line: -P to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot) and record refer to man boot.config From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:55:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD96A1065675 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1FA8FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB3F21F71 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:55:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bMGToQ8lXUQn for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:55:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEC2F21F69 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:55:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906040855.16451.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:55:22 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 08:28:08 am Chris Rees wrote: > Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed. I think that's the problem. After re-reading his email, I think I can see how he meant it to refer to the state of Linux's documentation and not FreeBSD's, but I really had to go looking for that interpretation. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 13:59:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3312106564A; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f199.google.com (mail-px0-f199.google.com [209.85.216.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0CB8FC29; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:59:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: by pxi37 with SMTP id 37so761311pxi.3 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yNF3dyeZ7HiypBzL4fN7l31GvyNLr/2ePaHB5iGs04Y=; b=Wy6MNSD3G6HXIsqQUzSHS4C+iOMD6dfnlWXTjKOB4ZvtBra+LSEH6orGcevc6VEhdF lvXLrZIZa90f8GwOyAAAZ9J7pyutiDU0+mQVq+0GAiPKRSrHMvYdA3bS1aSqlBH4GHrV 8MFosThqAm0xutYFQajrjdam+dFtx/GokUVzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fECWoCPRkmGVEqnwK6aBt3cKBYXyrmCS+DUQdqsZkQktOm/0k3tF90CzvhTGm4H1Js 9dcnoEtXWc2xw+c+j/KaVNaM/KyMd9nY5HwwE8b2E8Tq1/NrwZPJLB8B1vq/YU66/+My NyGaKdncOlyvm9ModKz2G1jonWRWZk9Zy5+nU= Received: by 10.142.192.3 with SMTP id p3mr758141wff.224.1244123956029; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org (bas1-toronto44-1279727389.dsl.bell.ca [76.71.23.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm1489065wff.24.2009.06.04.06.59.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A27D32E.60703@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:59:10 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20090406) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: xf86-video-intel-2.7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:59:17 -0000 I'm tired of X craping it's pants. After a day or so, if I try to exit and restart X X locks up, screen garbles and the following is in Xorg.0.log shows: WW) intel(0): drmDropMaster failed: Unknown error: -1 (II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel (II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xc510a000 at 0x28851000 (II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. While the console shows http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jimmiejaz/xcrash.jpg making it useless. If I switch to the vesa driver, will I get stuck with stupid resolution, like 1024x768, and what will I be missing out on (aside from the crashes)? Opinions please? vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x25821043 chip=0x25828086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82915G/GV/GL, 82910GL Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA ~>xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1600 VGA connected 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 306mm x 230mm 1600x1200 65.0* 1280x1024 75.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 85.0 75.0 70.1 60.0 43.5 832x624 74.6 -- Over the years I've come to regard you as people I've met. I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other, and when I am alone I am together. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:06:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABF4106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525668FC27 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:06:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54E6Fts006668 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:06:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6666.1244124375.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:06:15 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:06:23 -0000 I tried bg $$ but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process of a backgrounded process started by that shell. So, can I make a shell script background itself after starting? Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the & after the script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process ID. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:08:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0481065697 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from f.mail.ru.ac.za (f.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E1C8FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=Bpae6yoZCzuQ06hOQRUGEZadBq6csxSPO9pIdPE++igIx5rP/fDGVjrLz56uHhmGw0SaxyL8z5G7H0TWTxmmtAVst7S/NnZTV834X2A1w6/kSXXMnqttRJK8LqHxTMWY; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:63647) by f.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDby-0007FG-R9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:08:06 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:08:06 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: f.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:6) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:09 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:46:11 John . wrote: > Hello list, > > Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ? > (the machine has no floppy drive (yet) It's possible - but only by making your own install CD. Check back through the list archives: Martin McCormick and I had a lengthy discussion about this a while back. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:23:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AE4106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F3A8FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54ENTTp019247 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:23:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:23:29 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:23:38 -0000 I have been asked to enable the following kernel option: SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the parent directory. The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on the system in question and I see no commented-out option for compilation. We see in the fstab the following: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# #Default is for no SUIDDIR. #/dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 #Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on. /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw,SUIDDIR 1 1 This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that it does not appear to happen. Where do I use this option? This seems to be my day for asking strange questions but I have run up against a couple of things that are not in my usual sphere of knowledge and nothing jumped out at me from documentation. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:29:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD390106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 317CD8FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Jun 2009 14:29:47 -0000 Received: from ipa213.94.91.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [91.140.94.213] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu002) with SMTP; 04 Jun 2009 16:29:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/7lxxONl77d5VxmQE4JrMrA7U4nZn0fIJyqIGHHc f8jFqgqqN7rgg9 Message-ID: <4A27DA03.1060400@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:28:19 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin McCormick , questions@freebsd.org References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6899999999999999 Cc: Subject: Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:29:50 -0000 Martin McCormick wrote: > So, can I make a shell script background itself after > starting? You could run all your code in a sub-shell: #!/bin/sh ( #your script here ) & or in a shell function: old_script() { #your script here } old_script $* & Perhaps the second way requires less code re-factoring... Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:37:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3763106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ABD8FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHN4J0rUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADRC4QMBQ Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 15:36:58 +0100 Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MCE3t-0008GD-P6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:36:57 +0100 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCE3t-000KHQ-7E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:36:57 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Plusnet-Relay: 419cec71579e6dfd9c2464d684a3f011 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:37:06 -0000 I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent portupgrade -a. I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems. curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: libcupsimage.so.2 - not found ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 in /usr/ports/print/cups-base ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: libcupsimage.so.2 - not found ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 in /usr/ports/print/cups-base ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ... this repeats many times until it changes to ... make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily unavailable *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8. *** Error code 1 ... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the recursive problem. What should I try next? -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:42:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0646A106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from hermes.wbtsystems.com (87-198-244-212.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.244.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4B88FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from barry.byrne@wbtsystems.com) Received: from SUNYA (sunya.wbt.wbtsystems.com [10.12.1.112]) by hermes.wbtsystems.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9CA93F7427; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:42:18 +0100 (IST) From: "Barry Byrne" To: "'Martin McCormick'" , References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:42:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnlHb6F1P9mYcrDSdKW7ZanGeSZkwABLAdA Cc: Subject: RE: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:42:25 -0000 > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Martin McCormick > I tried > > bg $$ > > but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process > of a backgrounded process started by that shell. > > So, can I make a shell script background itself after > starting? > > Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the & after the > script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process > ID. Martin, If you mean you'd like to be able to put a script that is already running into the background, then you could press CTRL-Z to suspend the process. Then running 'jobs' will list the job id. Then 'bg jobnumber' (probably 1) should put it into the background. Cheers, Barry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:44:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA43106568E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from comp.john@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295EA8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from comp.john@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so404757fxm.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nIPx0gEFoFjmYrai0ENVUkBvF+IJ9cAvb4xl8oa40rw=; b=LifB8BGjrEbS+P9u88nnon2GPHRc2671CAfHu9Wrgx1P4W9IqKx35D5QfK5o6CH2p1 5y7Qg4csGr7tjpR84qEO5LzH0+IpvVd2EdD6yjFHiCRHIT8WEuXT0TQfr7q52tGR/IW/ 9TWMlP18l+jpkbMLaPzJ28gP479W7iMAuJGhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t7LahEXr46PwRd+GwTdAu7YYqI+IquGOtvd0xpjHh2oMqEyVh9+GM4YPC7oz9gDLAe LvBrnrJRZImaxi+gaKHcwrVp9tNX2rbW1dKimMi2bayvlMesSq5LqsK2p44FjgGrqUsq Z1jeeXLAG8Izg1n2clmw6rCSDt+fCnWnsaAOI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr1394039fao.9.1244126694267; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:44:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906041608.06620.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <200906041608.06620.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John ." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:44:56 -0000 Hi, Thanks everyone, I know what to do now :D -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 14:44:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AAE106568F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from f.mail.ru.ac.za (f.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CBD8FC1C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=GO3zl8WXCj2zQgsAh+AFJWJJME5jEh7aQNYcTcf5Ak5pLFCLMHF6Yt56Bw2AzNPJRgUXwkEymDEh2f1Un2+sQj8jxoJnzeO6Cdn1S1TjK2RpSH5ccPV/DpAnmlcL2s0r; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:65502) by f.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MCEBa-000AKh-Py for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:44:54 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:44:54 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: f.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:6) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:44:58 -0000 Hi Martin On Thursday 04 June 2009 16:23:29 Martin McCormick wrote: > I have been asked to enable the following kernel option: > > SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the > parent directory. > > The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on > the system in question and I see no commented-out option for > compilation. You need to add option SUIDDIR To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES > We see in the fstab the following: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > #Default is for no SUIDDIR. > #/dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > #Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on. > /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw,SUIDDIR 1 1 > > This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that > it does not appear to happen. Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the mount options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited from the directory. It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous option which opens security holes. I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's what's wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:13:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0993106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dinnes@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7C88FC24 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dinnes@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id znyS1b0040cQ2SLAEr0i9S; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:00:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.236.185.33]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id zr0h1b00N0jfbmF8Wr0ix1; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:00:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Dion Innes Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 08:00:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Subject: {Classmates#889-142}read it immediately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:13:53 -0000 I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my account credited. Thank you, Dion Innes 503-502-7856 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:17:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3FC106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E398FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD18AEBC0A; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:17:52 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Dion Innes Message-Id: <20090604111752.e78f2a9b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {Classmates#889-142}read it immediately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:17:55 -0000 In response to Dion Innes : > I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was > automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my > account credited. Not sure who you're trying to reach, but you've failed. This address is not associated with "Classmates" in any way. I suggest you go to the site you had signed in to and look for contact information there. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:28:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BFD106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:28:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E798FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so337210wfg.7 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:28:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MHdcRM54z19Io3R3YrUVMZ73VFuB9/ODMirhWPsH/PM=; b=I1xxv3GzjGImIoCgv2GYii7nbsmm/KlYk1BtduWiNEeK9GVehNxEZblsHTrdx1MmLF OVWlA7n0BzU05zwnobRuc0d94oi5FnUp+MdLhp/Iqq1Gsws2plB4iJ8umI/xiBRwlDk7 rRQvVWl4997x9nKhzionqIXSHIquuqV04lE1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BIUacOGb2mS4LBZGjg0NzWNaLVtrr896ki+Cec4ZPxDWZATl6mjTdeAqkCLN599gU8 mH2wSYwjyx3Rf47uRShTisfpyVoA5pm/ZIOySHvjppwmforowVQ2HL4B84q13JNfbKF9 UnIOzJckldKg7sYopeR5ITD8wv0tagsEIxxIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.94.129 with SMTP id z1mr1674258vcm.39.1244129336578; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:28:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:28:56 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "John ." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:28:58 -0000 On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation >> CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > > make your own CD > > add file boot.config containing just one line: > > -P > > > to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot > -no-emul-boot) and record > > > refer to > > man boot.config Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as "off" and won't present a tty/login then. I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files. /boot/loader.conf /boot.config /etc/ttys loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what device to output the console. boot.config allows the keyboard usage via serial line (the -P probing doesn't always work, better to use -D dual) ttys enables the ttyd0 (aka COM1) port to be used to login/use the system. It's default is also 9600 Honestly, I've setup a diskless boot server (via my ALIX SBC router), and it runs the latest -RELEASE and I can launch sysinstall from the diskless machine and just work off that. The OP's intention may warrant a diskless server. I threw spinrite, memtest and freebsd all as possible options to boot off the network. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:34:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3533A1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:34:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC658FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54FXvQ8034344; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:33:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54FXulp034341; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:33:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:33:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tim Judd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "John ." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:34:05 -0000 >> >> man boot.config > > Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as > "off" and won't present a tty/login then. no. it's set to "console" in installator IMHO. that's universal. > > I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process > hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. why? > Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files. > /boot/loader.conf > /boot.config > /etc/ttys > > loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what > device to output the console. by default it uses what boot already use. at least it worked for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:35:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169C9106568C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953968FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C3116C01BF; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:35:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54FZZmX001774; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:35:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:35:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Chris Rees Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:35:44 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:23:34 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of > documentation. Sorry I brought up this topic... I don't think manpages are bad, I cosider them THE BEST SOLUTION for local documentation, so I don't think your use of the word "still" is well placed here. It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) As a programmer, FreeBSD's documentation - beginning with the manpages, furthermore including the FAQ and the handbook, and finally the source code as well - is the most excellent kind of documentation I've seen so far. Returning to the manpages, they cover everything: Binaries, file formats, maintenance procedures, kernel interfaces, library calls... nothing important is missing. If you have a problem with "foo", you simply enter "man foo" to get more info about it. This is a situation you won't find in modern Linusi, and sadly, as well in modern applications on FreeBSD, mostly those that are GUI driven. Try to find manpages for some program from the KDE project. In opposite, try "man mplayer" or "man xmms", and, there's even "man opera", but no "man firefox". In those cases where there's no manpage, users are usually redirected to some web forum, Wiki, or encouraged to write the documentation on their own. :-) I think Wojciech just had the same observation. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 15:57:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61BBD1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979738FC08 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54FvUVI034606; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:57:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54FvUqI034603; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:57:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:57:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:57:42 -0000 > It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", > which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old > fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of > a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most "old fashioned" software solutions are best. > Returning to the manpages, putting it simply it works properly here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:20:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EA5106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA748FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so482286fxm.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:20:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=36NDXWoPnfbSodJY/SeIf79U0BFyHarzr+LaE5S/MMs=; b=iIQEO20WdZshh/BBJrqK8Iz1zXHiinVkAq41PwBdrxw3JM5Wi/bPgZubY6YXH1ab4F wiKqbAKj+SFTrN+zFFt2/tL/HP2G8GUS6AFEeQlvcCihMxnVnwScxn1UwfOd5FDJr2C6 eJAg6ZQzPhYJBCtN+sV3EVGbQ1B0ZJ7xrGJkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QH8P98sZKSgV4qFqdjkKGGGfYCZhHTsmGeD6JFYHnY+qDmf8cHwvlCVFUgX84f4q+I K5Ja81nyyLJ1fMxuS6u0hY3Uj5Sfz2H302g5gjs3mZkIOAqlYKBUsOoTJTgDhR9z+yWK T4j8HU5ZKocMbJwk/k6mAZ3wBU+vx6e6ecPGA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.136 with SMTP id m8mr2142410bkg.109.1244132444328; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:20:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:20:24 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:20:46 -0000 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : > Polytropon wrote: >> It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", >> which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old >> fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of >> a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) > > are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most "old fashioned" software > solutions are best. > >> Returning to the manpages, > > putting it simply it works properly here. > > Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals, they're clunky and bloated. Also, I meant principal form, not principle. Sorry! Chris PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:22:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B7A1065691 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FF88FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54GLxkr027170 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:21:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906041621.n54GLxkr027170@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27168.1244132519.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:21:59 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:22:11 -0000 Jonathan McKeown writes: > You need to add > > option SUIDDIR > > To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES > > > We see in the fstab the following: > Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the > mount > options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited > from > the directory. > > It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous > option which opens security holes. Ah, just what we need.:-) > > I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems > allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's > what's > wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on > sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD. Thank you very much. I've been using Unix for almost 20 years and have the syndrome that we get comfortable doing what we do and sometimes need to stretch a bit as there is more than enough in Unix to keep anybody busy for a lifetime. Also, thanks for helping the poster get pointed in the right direction on the serial console install. That has turned out to be extremely useful. The latest Debian Linux disk is also easy to install serially if you can type on the local keyboard long enough to type h for help, Enter, and then either rescue or install console=ttySx for 9600 or add ,38400,n81 or whatever serial parameters you need. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:26:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377DE106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from StevenFriedrich@InsightBB.com) Received: from mxsf09.insightbb.com (mxsf09.insightbb.com [74.128.0.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E108FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from StevenFriedrich@InsightBB.com) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,306,1241409600"; d="scan'208";a="108714720" Received: from unknown (HELO asav01.insightbb.com) ([172.31.249.123]) by mxsf09.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 12:26:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtUBAHaSJ0pKg4ed/2dsb2JhbAAIkS6/boQMBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,306,1241409600"; d="scan'208";a="215940653" Received: from 74-131-135-157.dhcp.insightbb.com (HELO [192.168.2.3]) ([74.131.135.157]) by asavout01.insightbb.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 12:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:22 -0400 From: Steven Friedrich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:26:09 -0000 I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I insist on FreeBSD support. I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what do you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet? -- Steven Friedrich Lexington, KY 40509 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:27:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D611065694 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:27:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C56C8FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BAEEB57A8; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6503C450C6; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:06 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MJWDovr5kv6x; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl228-46.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.41.46]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2589D4509B; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54GR587069943; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n54GR0Al069225; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:27:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mike Clarke References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:27:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> (Mike Clarke's message of "Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100") Message-ID: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:27:08 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100, Mike Clarke wrote: > I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent > portupgrade -a. > > I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow > ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to > rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems. > > curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base > > curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make > > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - > found > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found > ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on > file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on > file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: > libcupsimage.so.2 - not found > ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 > in /usr/ports/print/cups-base > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - > found [...] > ... this repeats many times until it changes to ... > > make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily > unavailable > *** Error code 2 > ... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant > dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the > recursive problem. What should I try next? Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8? We have tweaked its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits. Check that the `Makefile' in `/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes: # New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript # Date created: Tue Jun 10 21:58:54 CEST 1997 # Whom: Andreas Klemm # # $FreeBSD$ # PORTNAME= ghostscript8 PORTVERSION= 8.64 PORTREVISION= 5 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:29:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6577B10656D2 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D06F8FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so459860ywe.13 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9c4+FasLdYeJgwRWWoEble1eKGMygNhQzKmcUzagrf0=; b=VtyVviresqWd7jScHgJR0IGzXCIFveMdGX76lmy0ybIyri/4bq542IGJmqIlj6B2k7 AczkqkpZ1cbUi6+7bfFDyydyKi9lqt/WbX4M/tJFJ/L8QWrnE9/lMJS+EgmcUzMiD2OH wcGFI5DUvSBbw0oW2wrJcRtVfHFLvNfRIF44U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a6hycxUB94+UOOpHhTWMvlkkR5KA/NvvG/Nj/okXuXlKZj2wjvTvD9bxEkGLzOCyfH f9geP9AnfO6Z94b98lpKc+HtSp4tDuOaG3akDJ8KKUdkqgUlDSPEmQKjs6p4whkvruBT HrZsrc+E6iSur6q0LX7FJCLzFQgGEUmihbFHU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.211.11 with SMTP id j11mr2775062ang.101.1244132970319; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Barry Byrne Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Martin McCormick , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:29:32 -0000 Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you are trying to do. For example if you want to start a job, long out of the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's running, you may choose to run screen. > screen bash (Press Control-A then d) (Logout from shell) (Log back in) > screen -r Hope this sheds some light. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:30:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141A5106568A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71628FC1C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D9C218E6 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ta36mT6H6Q8 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06F40218DF for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:30:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906041130.17114.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:30:24 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:20:24 am Chris Rees wrote: > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? I like them *in their place*. Can you imagine how long the man page for GCC would be? IMHO, though, info pages are only tolerable within Emacs. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:48:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712E7106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartkemd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7088FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hartkemd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so519739qwe.7 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3GxpXtled+89CeQwMuhUd//E19Oe8EcZx+wQ5evn8n0=; b=tgqzLo5XBnkx8is+6P9slTi6+0Cb9hDBVPqbAPYPlt1xU3OFGOsE3ZfvaQgzi1/ikg k/zzZNiZswQyZXeJno+QXb7pbBryLVeQY4sL8uaGdlOSc4KfQB/EhXmjtRpue53qTTVS fsUualfqKigK9F1AQFWFE+Tg5rrG4sSMRPszE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cyE3oZIbmaPeyGKlBB0Znsqti0BayFtF0tv7o4w6c1X980IjkgxUFjbYRf74PPHAUc NesjwTj+ezqtgKrFV/sKvh3/6gfHyzLZLXI8wFFlzNUbWiignWNXwcl5LJesjYEKhSCY si+DbRUlcJqxmasf329RIvFMpiaZTLu8NEUWQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.77 with SMTP id x13mr654977qcn.105.1244132598466; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> From: Mark Hartkemeyer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:48:31 -0000 I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four people before I even got some of them answered. Here are some of the questions and answers: 1. What speed connections do you offer? 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) 768kBps 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? "You need a static IP." 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? "Talk to residential services." 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http server on my connection. 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? (They didn't know.) I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? Thanks, Mark Hartkemeyer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:53:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAF5106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C7A8FC1A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACA21CDC for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:53:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TUdMAvTCgD76 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:53:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 927B721CD4 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:53:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Named ignoring forward-only zones? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:53:45 -0000 For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding queries. A snippet of named.conf: acl clients { localnets; localhost; ::1; 10.45.12/19; }; view "internal" { match-clients { clients; }; zone "5.0.10.in-addr.arpa" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.0.5.16; }; }; }; Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer: $ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16 16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR kanga.honeypot.net. But I can't get the same from named: $ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 10.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA 10.in-addr.arpa. nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800 So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder? I'm 99.9% certain this has been working recently. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 16:56:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B8B1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f195.google.com (mail-pz0-f195.google.com [209.85.222.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1728FC39 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:56:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so894827pzk.3 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:56:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7nioTpAv2076C64zS+/lSKTm7OoHHUxIPQCb+Er5FmM=; b=D0zM0qpdZad7a2PsEuPkyrF9dEG1R92+c9dcbTaY7yGK1YDb1EfnI4Jme6hufu8CK4 w89hbQzErmPFvr/bOSTP+h6KIjgjdRpmM8PXmL4VV8kSe/GDuj/cUJqkELtpcZiX4qzL FfqQRufNU4SlWF2fEwQzqNBp/4YMRltKNH+Ow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XsLY5oCNCTK41KGW4gi6GiI/SU1RC8nT42t+xeva7phLs3Z0/6F6AgCriWLUHRdwrk 2fmgaBgwBQ/JDfmtcCOnspE2HPWcQSF2agyxehuZdChMJ8cZblHR1MN+TB7Od3wPfHIM m0B2ockEOzZa7ToueTUzgp9OQlS4vX3/71vRY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.6 with SMTP id f6mr1763299vcj.99.1244134609716; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:56:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3b93bd110906040956v73aa15bbs339c566130392f5e@mail.gmail.com> From: "Diego F. Arias R." To: Mark Hartkemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:56:51 -0000 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mark Hartkemeyer wrot= e: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. =C2=A0I found the section on ISPs in chapte= r > 18 really interesting. =C2=A0I put some of his recommended questions to m= y > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. =C2=A0I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > =C2=A0 =C2=A05MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it b= e bits?) > =C2=A0 =C2=A0768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0"It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think th= ey > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0"You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some port= s? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." =C2=A0A= fter > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > =C2=A0 =C2=A0(They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. =C2=A0Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? =C2=A0If so, what kind of response > did you get? =C2=A0Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > 8.Q: I need to change my Reverse DNS on my Static IP for running a mail ser= ver. A: What are you talking about? That doesnt Exist. --=20 mmm, interesante..... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:10:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B011065670 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A318FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09250EBC0A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:10:19 -0000 In response to Mark Hartkemeyer : > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) If they're doing 5 megabyte per second, then sign me up! > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) I suspect you're correct, although it is possible to have multiple backbones that are different hops away. > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous one). Reminds me of when I was trying to pay my student loan back, and the bank refused to tell me what the monthly payment was until I started paying it back. No, I'm not making that up or exaggerating. "How do I know what to write the check for?" "We'll tell you." "Well then tell me now." "I can't divulge that information until you start making payments." > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) Heh. Can they find the bathroom in the dark? > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? I recommend hooking up with your local user's group. There's probably a LUG in Cinci somewhere, and most LUGs I know are pretty friendly to BSD folks, and there will be someone in the LUG who's already done this research. How 'bout this: http://www.clug.org/ If you meet anyone there who recognizes my name, tell them I said "Hi." -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:11:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3591065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ED98FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54HAvR5020197; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:10:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 944D2B85F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:10:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:10:57 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Steven Friedrich Message-ID: <20090604171057.GB41411@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:11:00 -0000 --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:22:22PM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They= =20 > appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I=20 > insist on FreeBSD support. According to http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/wireless-laptop/laptop= -connect.jsp LaptopConnect cards work via GSM/EDGE networks, not via satellite. They also require something called "AT&T Communication Manager" which is windows-only, AFAICT. In short, don't bother with these cards. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkooACEACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVMcACfePk3Lo7kxrwduVsvWnlgY1Ty ZksAn3V9Bkmb8f7iP4NB2ZR1WjILfGTZ =Sx7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:15:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C451065674 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD5E8FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so480225ana.13 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=jUrZtr5J+/u7YgPpYIkhIEbKCvERQ6Rx3tO7m3NQj1c=; b=QEIyIb2Jo4ly2MbJVws72fHRp/2cQo0tUxmfEo4ThVcL3TvHYQUgP9xvK7cjXOa7Ci beqZbFu5SZGs4KaKGcZloK7Nql2XIcWbYgdRLgyzl9UDY/EMJPhnkET+CK2+SPKncOpF RTHLtQkHVTs0vyxuSNxgZiZdaqtv1fZyhvwkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=pU3a3445VxiGJvV5Ch+Ledp94c/rlVKbCoa/VIhCnBxe+NL21LPzEDPThYBy3t4l4V R6CpnvIYcG45XcjcIdPmBcu3OG/k+LqkP2RkjXzUrBtpmWaWDNcYR7RD+UObAIuLnUvd QpTPw7nTXCPj/J7ZQcuX+odIjaUPmnjbf7/cc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr2910662ane.27.1244135721235; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tsu-Fan Cheng To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:15:22 -0000 Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. What I have are a whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade ports that are not "f8". And also curious to know which linux* is better? with or without f8/f10? thank you!! TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:21:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8248106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8EA8FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54HL4BI035473; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54HL1kj035470; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:21:20 -0000 > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? > I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through big document From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:22:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322C71065675 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623B98FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54HMDAj035492; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:22:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54HMCDI035489; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:22:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:22:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steven Friedrich In-Reply-To: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> Message-ID: References: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:22:21 -0000 > I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They > appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I insist on > FreeBSD support. > > I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what do > you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet? > -- just plug that card and look what dmesg says. Usually marketing people don't even know if it work under anything else. You have to check From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:47:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481B71065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:47:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B458FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n54HjBk3032583; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n54HjBmC032582; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:45:11 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-ID: <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:47:30 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:20:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise > for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals, > they're clunky and bloated. > > Chris > > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use. Sometimes info manuals add a little for that. But, that is more of a content issue than a form issue. Man pages could easily be more forthcoming on the why and wherefor concepts. ////jerry > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:47:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9EB106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:47:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 410C28FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91891 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 17:47:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:X-Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=HLfBYNfRe1/HfViQisPzTrBEnD7f+ZZ/WIaY0h+PBSJXW7yZFOjiqgOpwaUFr440IKpN5nzpMIF7FqGy9gX2YEh8x+P46G3lEQnYjr+290Ln+nLPnVvje9rnmEmHZITJs3KkpgXMaLaAgxf/Z5F5ooGwmWuMvosqgV+amWaiwf8= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp106.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jun 2009 10:47:43 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: MIZv15MVM1lSSwtrSEzvC.dFLti8ZhoEcIdSjPLgyArr1zQXK7B0TIHXCdCD7jcIr50mSQVisICxU82pPblKc2TUWiSxVpCJoR.xO9i5FMAwWmyHe9fcBpzfWcznrYwp_fXGvfqoFRamPCzCNVXdHewaaPCMbUuLLxVGJEQ3nM419j9ad91uObwl2jxHBzfDLfvzHIfgOsoVBU8E3d1fDHejY49WdFVlEvlQcmbGIyqPFejZSoIMaocnxOWwjzYD5bvv_P5RtjTFucBgJAvZc8ON85164uN7jKMWn2.Mre9UXe1AnlXijW8.BNK5pC.ic.lGTVB8IYP_0LC01zE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:47:32 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090604134732.32595d16@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd6.4) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR nSNPNr*/^~StawWU9KDJ-CT0k$f#@t2^K&BS_f|?ZV/.7Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/WVkI_4km.D/t91+GHEoPybd"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:47:45 -0000 --Sig_/WVkI_4km.D/t91+GHEoPybd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: >In response to Mark Hartkemeyer : >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > >That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. Actually, I had a Comcast representative give basically the same answer. Evidently, they are trying to discourage 'social engineering'' which is probably not such a bad idea. >> 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some >> ports? "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After >> asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http >> server on my connection. > >That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous >one). If they can run a mail & http server, they are obviously not blocking ports 25 & 80. I would like to know how they are handling MX setting though. >> 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? >> (They didn't know.) > >Heh. Can they find the bathroom in the dark? Now the rep should know that, especially if the caller is inquiring about a business account. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Why do so many foods come packaged in plastic? It's quite uncanny. --Sig_/WVkI_4km.D/t91+GHEoPybd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkooCL0ACgkQBvaKIJWWCO3l2QCgnAzs/XIt8M32PayWXZ6ATnuD 4JUAn3RlNdi1KjKMsmLYqRjAp1Q/WvXG =U98i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/WVkI_4km.D/t91+GHEoPybd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:48:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8DB10656CF for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40508FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54HmkXS035693; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:48:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54Hmj3s035689; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:48:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:48:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:49:00 -0000 >> PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? > > Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but > they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use. for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:53:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25417106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f226.google.com (mail-bw0-f226.google.com [209.85.218.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796038FC2B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by bwz26 with SMTP id 26so280258bwz.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eQSULgLHNgdSigpn0sS0hdAFlOPTG7DuOp8C9R56840=; b=X06vzw2qxHaeRcWQYdFF9lxzvdCEPfrjpTWpBm+fIUZdXcJrN76eOM/MrlWk6q/jJx zWQ6dqGr+Labx/SnENB2iQ8tslDk/w8+4rOKcU6Ttk/JerDfSM4cqumj6RqXdXyGdp0Z qngaEVL6dmdIIMG/CKtwVZvTmZYPoK0j3MzLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vx4hm42ZK4hbYEN5VjsZUoRfVl+c8x9fjFyIpzkjLUzqbDWKJd+h0ojhOqjD+wCwi+ zWNUucZOPLp084mY+NiV3TB+10MIrofnqfcmJTj8zIjuO6JpmXC8ItJi1XzbhB9fFhbE 9onv286EVrNa8UQIwj0ZShoFdIteMp2dWshPg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.212 with SMTP id a20mr2290674bkg.35.1244137981348; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:53:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:53:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750906041053t11c5f676u99e969873275471a@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Neal Hogan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "Walter, Richard" Subject: Re: Can't get ndis0 working X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:53:07 -0000 On 5/14/09, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Walter, Richard > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I tried to activate my Acer's Aspire 5315 wireless card >> with FreeBSD 7.2 i386 and had no luck. >> >> What i did: >> 1) #prtconf -lv >> none2@pci0:6:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x04221468 chip=0x431114e4 >> rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card' >> class = network >> >> 2) i Downloaded the R112196.EXE archive from the Dell ftp server and >> extracted bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys >> 3) i copied those files to /sys/modules/if_ndis >> 4) # iconv -c -f utf-16 -t ascii bcmwl5.inf > bcmwl5.inf.ascii >> 5) with ndisgen and bcmwl5.inf.ascii/bcmwl5.sys i created >> successful bcmwl5_sys.ko. >> The ndisgen wrote a message at sys file loading: >> "This .SYS file appears to be in Windows(r) PE format" >> 6) # cp bcmwl5_sys.ko /boot/kernel >> 7) # kldload bcmwl5_sys.ko >> kldload: cant't load bcmwl5_sys.ko >> >> # kldloat /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> kldload: cant't load /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko This is wrong, what is displayed on console? >> >> 8) Next try with help from >> http://dannyman.toldme.com/2005/01/05/freebsd-howto-ndisulate-windows-drivers >> >> # rm /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> # rm /sys/modules/if_ndis/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> >> 9)cd /sys/modules/if_ndis >> # ndiscvt -i bcmwl5.inf.ascii -s bcmwl5.sys -o ndis_driver_data.h >> >> 10) # make && make install >> Warning: Object directory not changed from original >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis >> @ -> /usr/src/sys >> machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/bus_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pci/pci_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pccard/card_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/pccarddevs2h.awk @/dev/pccard/pccarddevs >> :> opt_usb.h >> awk -f @/tools/usbdevs2h.awk @/dev/usb/usbdevs -h >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pci.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pccard.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_usb.c >> ld -d -warn-common -r -d -o if_ndis.kld if_ndis.o if_ndis_pci.o >> if_ndis_pccard.o if_ndis_usb.o >> :> export_syms >> awk -f /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../conf/kmod_syms.awk if_ndis.kld >> export_syms | xargs -J% objcopy % if_ndis.kld >> ld -Bshareable -d -warn-common -o if_ndis.ko if_ndis.kld >> objcopy --strip-debug if_ndis.ko >> install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_ndis.ko /boot/kernel >> kldxref /boot/kernel >> >> 11) # kldload if_ndis >> # kldstat >> Id Refs Address Size Name >> 1 19 0xc0400000 9fab28 kernel >> 2 1 0xc0dfb000 6a45c acpi.ko >> 3 1 0xc4767000 22000 linux.ko >> 4 1 0xc489c000 9000 i915.ko >> 5 1 0xc48a5000 13000 drm.ko >> 6 1 0xc532c000 c000 if_ndis.ko >> 7 1 0xc5338000 16000 ndis.ko >> >> 12) # ifconfig ndis0 up >> ifconfig: interface ndis0 does not exist >> >> I've no idea whats going wrong , perhaps anyone can help ? > > Perhaps I can indirectly help . . . > > I had a discussion on this list a little while back about the ndis > wrapper. Perhaps some of the suggestions made to me by folks who have > had success with it will help you. It looks as though you did some (if > not all) of the things that I did, which were commented on in the > discussion. My patience wore too thin for me to fully work it out, but > perhaps you're a better man than I. > > http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-questions/200901/msg00435.html > > One thing that may not be mentioned in the above the thread is that > you may have to try different .inf and .sys files until you get one > that works . . . that consumed most of the little patience that I had. > > Good luck! > > -Neal > > >> >> Best regards, >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> HOB RD VPN - einfach, sicher und flexibel auf alle >> Unternehmensanwendungen und -daten zugreifen >> >> Praesentation unter: http://www.hob.de/rdvpn2/ >> >> >> HOB GmbH & Co. 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DE 132747002 >> >> Komplementaerin HOB electronic Beteiligungs GmbH >> AG Fuerth, HRB 3416 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:56:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284CF106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C258FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54Hu2vq035849; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:56:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54Hu1gP035846; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:56:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:56:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:56:13 -0000 >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply fear. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 17:59:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135FB106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:59:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CE88FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:59:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1MCHDg-000PK5-PM; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:59:16 +0400 To: Tsu-Fan Cheng References: From: Boris Samorodov Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:59:17 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 13\:15\:21 -0400") Message-ID: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:59:18 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. > What I have are a > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade > ports that are not "f8". I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? > And also curious to know which linux* is better? Hm, it a good question. ;-) The one which does what you need. But there are some security problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for 8-CURRENT. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:10:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726FB106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leonardo@softel.cu) Received: from mx1.uci.cu (mx1.uci.cu [200.55.140.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 328268FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leonardo@softel.cu) Received: (qmail 10852 invoked by uid 507); 4 Jun 2009 17:43:18 -0000 Received: from 10.5.4.253 by ns1.uci.cu (envelope-from , uid 501) with qmail-scanner-2.01st (avp: 5.0.2.0. spamassassin: 3.0.6. perlscan: 2.01st. Clear:RC:1(10.5.4.253):. 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This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL synta linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library (Linux linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library (Linux Fedora linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL database engi linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the FreeDesktop project linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, Linux binar linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library part, Linux bin linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64) linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration of and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* > > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by > > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. > > Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have > a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. > > > What I have are a > > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to > upgrade > > ports that are not "f8". > > I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show > the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? > > > And also curious to know which linux* is better? > > Hm, it a good question. ;-) > The one which does what you need. But there are some security > problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for > Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). > > > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! > > It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even > for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure > ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other > alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can > use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one > can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for > 8-CURRENT. > > > WBR > -- > Boris Samorodov (bsam) > Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP > FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:17:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31C810656F2 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8C58FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so309815gxk.19 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date :organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=SQL92Weil+SRCaLR8xF9+a4u6MnLPTQgZZwVAhLn+LI=; b=WLVrxMsZSMX3h3JwHHfTjkHjaoNrDedGI/aMElH2zjEZKUGu0vyld4ilvAc3HnGD7z 83837eQZ8GAAaLVLFD8Te+kRFtSoiBMzqWTwuSO21Uu0aSbt2n7hJBilL7afI2K7GjOn LkvUXaHRRgptjlYtO33xvKbmdjOy1M2T5tR8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :x-mimeole; b=R+Zt+fTil3rgn9eG1V1P4FjgDqeLbcalRGGmas/GuXKQinmslZcbpbhzBmed8ta/dY pfO5O5OUjfzdNlqWs/pGhLOla4V+AzqBkST5iyQOYqYBNrm+zaXgrSpHOpUkzp4AgFfv YoqhGN3LK0ioLNisBweRr0mV4VR4/W5w7WDLI= Received: by 10.90.89.8 with SMTP id m8mr2107168agb.23.1244139431701; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades ([99.148.200.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm543185agc.69.2009.06.04.11.17.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave" To: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:19:22 -0400 Organization: davemehler.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnlQPvawQLSt09/QtCfeif54h1JSg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave.mehler@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:17:13 -0000 Hello, I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:19:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8985410656A6 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399E18FC2E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so500417ana.13 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bztWj5e6ehFp0PmqBFuWWc2sa4cdHy72+IEcQ6LIvik=; b=xwwkSuErLzRa5JYu4B14DxRlXaJ4QmJaWS+8svUuhztcvR/KltgqbhBkPF3fYv41SJ sKDOzqKSiRLbPsIl+E+nHQ936ssOZnWvwoIh5AazPyIj35P2NU6afP1OAZku9eu3sImN cT5QbMA0avgDwxme47KkvNZDirAqK6mfOGg3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=EbuKMqd/1ZBk7+zgxaLdVB8kbwvzOwOkH7TQmKWonc40ND2YpjA0Km2v7Z25uIv8tM cMJqkWwdjvfm93zmWL3ZBByxo/+0K5AAtClAr4jYgBBa0y4sBBcJA9MTEtvBek30JVR5 srOsSzLXizjXPywaHP2v/Hgv5E0hAO94ddGnA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.142.11 with SMTP id p11mr2886016and.186.1244139547380; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tsu-Fan Cheng To: Boris Samorodov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:19:09 -0000 It's funny, sometimes I think portmaster knows that it should upgrade linux-f8* ports and not linux-* ports but sometimes doesn't. I don't know why... TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > URL synta > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library > (Linux > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > (Linux Fedora > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora > 8) > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > database engi > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > FreeDesktop project > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, > Linux binar > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > part, Linux bin > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > i386/amd64) > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration > of > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > > TFC > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > >> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: >> >> > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of >> linux-* >> > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by >> > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. >> >> Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have >> a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. >> >> > What I have are a >> > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to >> upgrade >> > ports that are not "f8". >> >> I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show >> the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? >> >> > And also curious to know which linux* is better? >> >> Hm, it a good question. ;-) >> The one which does what you need. But there are some security >> problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for >> Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). >> >> > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! >> >> It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even >> for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure >> ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other >> alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can >> use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one >> can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for >> 8-CURRENT. >> >> >> WBR >> -- >> Boris Samorodov (bsam) >> Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP >> FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:19:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15F710656DB for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997C28FC43 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54IJa9H036010; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54IJaE2036007; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:19:48 -0000 >>> That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. >> >> It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply >> fear. > > Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking > to an admin... Of course not, but THEY require others to not talk about used hardware and software because they fear. And they really believe it helps :) In Poland actually the "hated" Polish Telecom have best managed IP network. Most others are really poor and that's the important reason that Polish Telecom have really little competition. They invested millions of dollars each for hardware, but not employees. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:20:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1CD10658BA for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B859F8FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E68B35583; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:19:57 +0200 From: cpghost To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090604181957.GA1386@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:20:01 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Whatever happened to BeOS? http://www.haiku-os.org/ -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:20:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B091065811 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61708FC1C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54IK85f036032; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:20:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54IK79Z036029; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:20:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:20:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: leonardo In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1626729238-1601444440-1244139607=:35975" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about restarting services X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:20:16 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1626729238-1601444440-1244139607=:35975 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > hello everybody: > > I´m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services what services? /etc/rc.d/ restart or if installed from ports /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ restart --1626729238-1601444440-1244139607=:35975-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:21:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3E51065794 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528A98FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54ILg3X036053; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:21:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54ILf2c036050; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:21:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:21:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:21:52 -0000 > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. > Thanks. > Dave. > > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" > DNS behave strangely. ssh ask for IPv6 address, there is probably no IPv6 answer, but DNS responds with IPv4 address instead of nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:26:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D6F10656A3 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DD28FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1MCHdu-000PfM-Az; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:26:22 +0400 To: Tsu-Fan Cheng References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:26:23 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 14\:15\:42 -0400") Message-ID: <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:26:24 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL > synta > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library > (Linux > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > (Linux Fedora > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora > 8) > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > database engi > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > FreeDesktop project > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, > Linux binar > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > part, Linux bin > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > i386/amd64) > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration > of OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. Yes, that may be a good choice for you. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:31:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F3F1065698 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from cohiba.eagle.ca (cohiba.eagle.ca [208.70.104.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4878FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:31:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 39530 invoked by uid 89); 4 Jun 2009 18:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steveb@eagle.ca@208.70.104.100) by cohiba.eagle.ca with ESMTPA; 4 Jun 2009 18:04:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:04:34 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020409000400020208080607" Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:31:05 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020409000400020208080607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >>> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." >> >> That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. > > It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply > fear. Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking to an admin... 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Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8B48FC35 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F27355D4; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:31:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:31:46 +0200 From: cpghost To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090604183146.GB1386@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:31:49 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: > > > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > No idea of the state it is in. > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. Thank you! A wounderful hint. BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a BS2000 clone, emulator, ...? http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as of between 1986 and 1992). For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of /usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet). Or do we? TIA, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:34:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1AD10656D8 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22A28FC1F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so327510gxk.19 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:34:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=42rM5Dg9pKsCQKeUwTkR2tpldYuCxUB/b9DxeaNtu+0=; b=CYASA4/WK8i6X5TEXSgGsaSeVPHZjA1q0s0dsOgNHanZIW66X9qooUdl6w/fNOcX1M baEd2bXSC2kCUIZlri1yOJBHdeOrME+JK0/ld0zUbA4mkBVTneY77Uyd32aqdpZpJcpL IvFUAGEhxPsaB9AZMKLOtO8KcE+mCYRLGqBjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=LhS7MeF8Tk/hWDOxIucF8SvSnRbYTxPksTY5MCgRBCZIBP01zvhPc/kUNoOumuTYcL agMWpqs+V0fgqlpHfMgZmLvhAb8he1Fal5afpAz1c8uvlLSITLcBrpG2V4PTE66ipRzZ 4+NRdRy+UoJOzEdxHYr2v0hykfOS8cji4kphs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.82.8 with SMTP id f8mr2117921agb.30.1244140485273; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tsu-Fan Cheng To: Boris Samorodov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:34:47 -0000 I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!! TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > Accessibility > > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > URL > > synta > > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing > library > > (Linux > > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora > 8) > > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > > (Linux Fedora > > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux > Fedora > > 8) > > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > > database engi > > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > > FreeDesktop project > > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from > RealNetworks > > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk > module, > > Linux binar > > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > > part, Linux bin > > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > > i386/amd64) > > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware > acceleration > > of > > OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is > to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed > linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > Yes, that may be a good choice for you. > > > WBR > -- > Boris Samorodov (bsam) > Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP > FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:36:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C321065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE3D8FC24 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC693D03C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:36:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54IZwDM001461; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:35:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:35:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090604203558.fb99ea2c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:36:07 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:01 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? > > > I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through > big document As far as I know, info doesn't let you search document-wide (including all subsections, branches and crossreferences) while man documents - being ONE document - let's you do this. Furthermore, it's quite easy to turn a a manpage into a nice looking PS / PDF file for printing and archiving. zcat `man -w ` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | ps2pdf - man.pdf I'm not sure you can do this with info based manuals... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:37:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8731A10656A9 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA638FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54Ib6qT006963; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:37:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n54Ib6qT006963 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1244140627; bh=jVaot0lqSdYd+KszyzcJJSj6K7K7ZzaVEPlXc5RCNbc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2004=20Jun=202009=2019:36:55=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20dave.mehler@gmail.com|CC:=20freebsd-questions@fre ebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20repeating=20error=20message=20from=20ssh |References:=20|In-Reply-T o:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:= 200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256 =3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boun dary=3D"------------enigE7C13F0429D950019B50549F"; b=XnNQq2vh00RDvBHbtP4aOC2TOUkP6duQYkwyFgP7+4G4M6nLT563gkV4BDpQVMScL KvkLc1sfNs2kDb/EPchuO3z4k03wnAZoZtfguOwniSt0nU4WXy6mXyuqYm46gPmhsc 5BY5puTBmubVaNAn04JqVBe+oO3khXTzqiD6wXCo= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:36:55 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dave.mehler@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE7C13F0429D950019B50549F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:37:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE7C13F0429D950019B50549F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welc= ome. > Thanks. > Dave. >=20 > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address= =2E Someone's DNS is misconfigured. sshd(8) is running perfectly well. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigE7C13F0429D950019B50549F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkooFFIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyn+ACeI/F77iE1WQA7KxF1QUx3q6Yw hk4An02deOp86oX7fOoAIfOydCKiZzU3 =h+f6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE7C13F0429D950019B50549F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:48:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2BF106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 470938FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:48:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: (qmail 11312 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from poshta.pknet.net (HELO pop.pknet.net) (216.241.167.213) by poshta.pknet.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from 216.241.167.212 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by webmail.pknet.net with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:48:21 -0600 (MDT) From: "Peter" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:48:22 -0000 iH, This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: This is a fresh/generic install of 7.2-REL no firewall em1=10.21.20.0/24 network - DHCP for ssh access client# uname -a FreeBSD client.test 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 client# cat /etc/rc.conf gateway_enable="YES" hostname="client.test" ifconfig_em0="inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em1="DHCP" nfs_client_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="NO" rpcbind_enable="NO" sshd_enable="YES" client# ifconfig em0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255 client# cat /etc/hosts ::1 localhost localhost.test 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.test 172.20.6.2 client.test client 116.23.45.2 client.test client 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.3 server.test server client# ping -c1 server PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=5.811 ms --- server.test ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 5.811/5.811/5.811/0.000 ms client# ssh -vvv server OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to server.test [116.23.45.3] port 22. ^C client# ssh to 'server' always goes to 116.23.45.3 IP there is nothing on '116.23.45.3' IP '116.23.45.3/24' is a made up network for testing BUT... client# ifconfig em0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255 client# cat /etc/hosts ::1 localhost localhost.test 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.test 172.20.6.2 client.test client 116.23.45.2 client.test client 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.4 server.test server client# ping -c1 server PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.285 ms --- server.test ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.285/0.285/0.285/0.000 ms client# ssh -vvv server OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to server.test [172.20.6.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. ... ...... Why if the secondary entry is higher than '116.23.45.3' it always goes to 172/24 network? Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP from /etc/hosts? ]confused[ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:57:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5E21065674 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB18FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so351142gxk.19 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:cc :references:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=z3xTYuHWwmObxVYhc0x3J8IwHZUezfzJm2WIOxfBPKc=; b=LhKV3erP8ziYEjLefVLWQOSoMfWbndo87LYouE1vLiYBkcNw/HlCRjuWmgu2rCJ78v ete2BJMrlMEVp/paK5qoYQut118yS3Je0vYhITol2fZVITauE21zgBBZ2Z2ZVebuz6m9 sHLm83whcKPksnaVL23XKmVuk+/ZntGTHlJto= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:cc:references:subject:date:organization:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole; b=Q9/zv8awT1lbon0KXRXcL1QQyymB7yYKJrIS7gPeU8pc13zJm/QRthPpB+Ce/G54YU vmNmf+wi1M4SFPqK9MhQRyZ9e/feLzbS7oWOfPLAAe2ix48vhlcQcmkC+NYEq0DVbIjK SH0ERJ2t8OQQS/h/GAC9iSy3lY+9h1fYbOEGE= Received: by 10.90.33.15 with SMTP id g15mr2119867agg.58.1244141866938; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades ([99.148.200.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2345520agb.68.2009.06.04.11.57.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave" To: "'Matthew Seaman'" References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:59:57 -0400 Organization: davemehler.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcnlQ5apRF3ocxNRS3+sCJGV6sbEXAAAtDcA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave.mehler@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:57:48 -0000 Hi, Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. Thanks. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:37 PM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh Dave wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. > Thanks. > Dave. > > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address. Someone's DNS is misconfigured. sshd(8) is running perfectly well. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:58:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C697A1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807668FC21 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:58:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810EC3CFEE; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:58:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54IwOt0001548; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:58:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:58:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cpghost Message-Id: <20090604205824.9167e361.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090604183146.GB1386@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090604183146.GB1386@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:58:32 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:31:46 +0200, cpghost wrote: > BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a > BS2000 clone, emulator, ...? > > http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 > > I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based > BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as > of between 1986 and 1992). > > For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of > /usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet). > Or do we? Maybe you're interested in hercules, which provides emulation of IBM's mainframe architecture that was the "parent" (with OS/360 and OS/390) of Siemens' original BS2000. Vintage operating systems, let's see what I can remember... SCP, DCP, MUTOS, SVP, VMX, PSU, WEGA, KAOS, OS/ES (once my favourite)... I'm sure no one of you knows from mind what I'm talking about. But don't mind, they don't exist anymore. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 18:59:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24811065767 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pp@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0528FC1B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pp@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 49F5A15200FCEFE1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:39:20 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMDAN+xJ0pV4jsLPGdsb2JhbACBT4w6iSBsAQEBAbdngkKBSQU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,306,1241388000"; d="scan'208";a="499206214" Received: from c-0b3be255.107-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz) ([85.226.59.11]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 20:39:20 +0200 Received: from [192.168.69.67] (phobos [192.168.69.67]) by gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54IdIHF082464 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:39:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pp@pp.dyndns.biz) Message-ID: <4A2814D6.8030807@pp.dyndns.biz> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:39:18 +0200 From: pp@pp.dyndns.biz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090430) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: about restarting services X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:59:50 -0000 leonardo wrote: > hello everybody: > > I´m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services If you by network services mean your network interfaces you type: /etc/rc.d/netif restart True network services, like inetd, sendmail and others, also have their scripts in the same folder. Network services you install from ports put their scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d /Morgan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:03:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAC51065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BA078FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 3627 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2009 19:02:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1244142179; bh=q3Rr8MW3xYC+oPHaVsw7EJZ9K+4mNzXUxeQpHWup4/g=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bl4Yx2bhMax50zBD6AtEimL3+8vcNmasLBbESEseLnXSpbOLk7RLfPojWFQLuJqgovajULFxsDylF1x1x0HOSQwj1UovuTozqr6RxA/tf01yKtr5PqVUg58VW/QyGkZujEXFQiJmj6vf221RPfI6TjJI+awiO/M7PMotMvxoJRU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Emjm5dvtAqFLoBYi6fNM+OoNdWGD+8degmebJ/Kg8dZls/PZ6Nhv2LjmhpV1wIdWP8JuuhoZYP7X/5+gdgdGwU5n9NsbmRZD16AECJX+QcSVOcFPYDacQwUSwMI48WoRHhJiDpgzkKMFk1M/5VcVQAN+ztChh3kbSJNv2SSltk0=; Message-ID: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GMsNEg8VM1mD0UgmAU9AHAQyfQ1Bt.kaqtygQcQrpOth7Z3.zzpkwjcuRqffozhJ0uCFPLUK.vpyaDEUVuWMdEuyX.u86zftiqG6wLiJZ325lOmPzcCFy7zovUVbw8oNcW17arCNgjan749.J5t244ZsXnjwlC5fTf_d8U87vFbVt47G.UhbdO_dfXTpKQV8QVxWAseVg0tAtskranWX8x4apj_nl18JTpLMCyXevuC_V.okfpSE1NZJyhi2o0q_BcDMcN7Higrnu6F1uNEObu_He7JX2dPHPc_aXj5T2aVxBv4ZMVzSrrYA98I48r4AlwBzJjFfNCXegN74Z.WKAc96GNzH Received: from [75.41.234.83] by web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:02:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Busby To: Wojciech Puchar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: help help Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:03:08 -0000 --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > From: Wojciech Puchar > Subject: Re: ISP questions > To: "Bill Moran" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM > >> 4. What kind of hardware and > software are you running? > >>=A0 =A0=A0=A0"Can't provide this, due > to security reasons." > > > > That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. >=20 > It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, > they simply=20 > fear. >=20 Yeah, most admins just get to set around and do nothing but answer questi= ons on mailing lists. =3D) Being short handed, under paid and taking care o= f the support overflow. The time I get to tell some "supposed" grad student= /software sales person with a sexy voice. "We don't share that information"= makes my day. Just call me paranoid. lol Locked into contracts with software venders will make you answer "Info Not = Shared". Unable to make changes while you wait for a patch/fix. "Your the o= nly one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next version to p= atch this problem.=20 =20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:04:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF70A1065680 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:04:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF908FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:04:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281B68E84C1; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:04:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:04:24 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071211) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hartkemeyer References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:04:42 -0000 Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23>> > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representative for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting in a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical support requests (e.g., "my internet don't work"). The reps are paid far to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell them to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enough in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:26:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7911065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C818FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from gate.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.123] helo=h30.sp.ipt.ru) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1MCIZe-0000T2-Ga; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:26:02 +0400 To: Tsu-Fan Cheng References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:26:01 +0400 In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 14\:34\:44 -0400") Message-ID: <33354534@h30.sp.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: linux compatibility ports upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:26:03 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:34:44 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!! Please, reread my previous email. I wrote _all_ linux ports. > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > > Accessibility > > > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > > URL > > > synta > > > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing > > library > > > (Linux > > > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora > > 8) > > > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > > > (Linux Fedora > > > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux > > Fedora > > > 8) > > > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > > > database engi > > > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > > > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > > > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > > > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > > > FreeDesktop project > > > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > > > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > > > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > > > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > > > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > > > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > > > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from > > RealNetworks > > > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk > > module, > > > Linux binar > > > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > > > part, Linux bin > > > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > > > i386/amd64) > > > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware > > acceleration > > > of > > > > OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is > > to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed > > linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > > > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > > > Yes, that may be a good choice for you. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:26:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F107106567B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A37C8FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:26:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAC+8J0rUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADPWYQLBQ Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 20:26:47 +0100 Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MCIaN-0003eD-Gy; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:26:47 +0100 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCIaM-000Jv1-UJ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:26:47 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:26:46 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042026.46827.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Plusnet-Relay: 4cec17e8ac7eca3fdcd03121fbee4715 Cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:26:50 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8? =A0We have > tweaked its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits. =A0Check that the > `Makefile' in `/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes: > > =A0 =A0 # New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript > =A0 =A0 # Date created: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tue Jun 10 21:58:5= 4 CEST 1997 > =A0 =A0 # Whom: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Andreas Kl= emm > # > =A0 =A0 # $FreeBSD$ > =A0 =A0 # > > =A0 =A0 PORTNAME=3D =A0 =A0 =A0ghostscript8 > =A0 =A0 PORTVERSION=3D =A0 8.64 > =A0 =A0 PORTREVISION=3D =A05 > =A0 =A0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try > again. That was the cause, I had portversion 4. Updating to 5 fixed it. Thanks=20 for the help. =2D-=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:39:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F853106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB728FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF9D7E837; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:39:34 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:39:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> In-Reply-To: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042139.32503.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Peter Subject: Re: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:39:36 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote: > iH, > This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: > Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP > from /etc/hosts? Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should be returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the first one returned? A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:45:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8E9106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911398FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432747E83F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:45:05 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dave.mehler@gmail.com Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:03 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042145.03548.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:07 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:59:57 Dave wrote: > Hi, > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network > unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway > 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to > hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. > Thanks. If you know your ISP's nameservers, simply run a local resolver and tell dhclient to prepend or override the nameserver obtained from dhcp. There's quite a few how-to's on the web on this topic. Suggested local reading: man dhclient.conf man rc.conf /etc/defaults/rc.conf - named_ settings /etc/namedb/named.conf -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:45:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A349B1065711 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400418FC1D for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54JjEmp040073; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54JjDp8040070; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Dave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:24 -0000 > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network > unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway > 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to > hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. > Thanks. simply ignore these messages. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:45:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273A81065670 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A718FC1A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MCIsV-0008IV-5g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net ([68.239.69.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:31 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:31 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:47:08 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: RE: repeating error message from ssh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:45:38 -0000 Dave wrote: > Hi, > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my > network unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a > 2wire gateway 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or > dns i'd love to hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the > internal domain name. Thanks. > Dave. > > [snip] If you are talking about the server side you may take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config for the following: #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: ListenAddress 192.168.10.1 as in manually bind it particular interface(s) and comment out the wild cards. This is how I have mine and I don't get the IPv6 lookups. Could also be something else I've done and haven't realized it yet either. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:48:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269B010656D7 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C508D8FC24 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54Jlxqo040104; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:47:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54JlxZc040101; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:47:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:47:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Mark Busby In-Reply-To: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: help help Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:48:08 -0000 > "Your the only one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next version to patch this problem. It's just like my upstream network provider. When they have longer problems i heard "Sorry we working on this, you must be really unlucky, as nobody else have problems here". I asked few their other clients then - they heard exactly the same. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:54:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD751065670 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DC28FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698337E83F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:54:06 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:54:08 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > PORTNAME= ghostscript8 > PORTVERSION= 8.64 > PORTREVISION= 5 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:54:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10311065686 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:54:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E8F8FC21 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54JsehH040148; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54Jsd3o040145; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:54:48 -0000 > These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew > the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was It's just "marketing bandwidth" as most clients don't understand what it mean anyway, but just expect higher value that others for the same price. It's at most - top limit. Actually - such speed are never achievable unless you use it at 3:00 am. Sometimes never at all. Like local cable TV, they have 6 possible prices for internet access, called from 256kbps/64kbps to 10Mbps/2Mbps, actually you rarely see any difference and it's closest to lowest offer. But people like to hear this so they hear, and at least here marketing people know perfectly what to answer about "internet speed" as they call it :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 19:56:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFB310656F4 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB28C8FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F79EB54C7; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10DF4509B; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:17 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v29w3UHK748p; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl228-46.kln.forthnet.gr [79.103.41.46]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D3B45088; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54JuHji069214; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n54JuEZi069213; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:56:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mel Flynn References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:56:11 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> (Mel Flynn's message of "Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200") Message-ID: <87ws7r4vtw.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:56:19 -0000 --=-=-= On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> PORTNAME= ghostscript8 >> PORTVERSION= 8.64 >> PORTREVISION= 5 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > \o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3. You are welcome, of course :-) That was the main motivation behind the recent flurry of changes. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkooJt4ACgkQ1g+UGjGGA7Z1kgCeIzsSGh2OiOdp2K/q18K8llnG l2IAoL4I7PqiYO7I5LzvBlZjoW5hc8IZ =FY7u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:05:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2D31065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870838FC24 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA307E83F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:05:57 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:05:55 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <200906031833.16554.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: [off-list] Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:05:59 -0000 On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, Mel > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn > > wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > > > Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving Sieve. > > This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another > wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet. Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still relevant (like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should really learn to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private discussions and it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:12:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9501065670 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2018FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 17332 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2009 20:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 20:11:54 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id E5E0E2841F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:11:51 -0500 From: David Kelly To: leonardo Message-ID: <20090604201151.GA658@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about restarting services X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:12:03 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:40:16AM -0800, leonardo wrote: > hello everybody: > > I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services Start by creating a new email and addressing it to the list rather than Reply-To another and edit it down. The two are not the same. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:14:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA291065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357C78FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from sarevok.dnr.servegame.org (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAA87E837 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:14:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:14:26 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.3 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.3; i386; ; ) References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906042214.26243.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: [off-list] Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:14:29 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 22:05:55 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote: > > Hi, Mel > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn > > > > wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > > > > > Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving > > > Sieve. > > > > This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another > > wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet. > > Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still > relevant (like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should > really learn to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private > discussions and it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity. k, so reply-to-all is really reply to list. My apologies, should've stayed off list. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:18:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DE11065743 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C528FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 16:18:10 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PYG35409; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2009 16:17:44 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:17:43 -0400 To: Wojciech Puchar In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Jerry McAllister , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:18:16 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > > Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how > > of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and > > wherefor of use. > > for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're stupider than you actually are. Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. But until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement it will be used as one. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:27:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A672106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2007F8FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: (qmail 44974 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2009 20:27:19 -0000 Received: from poshta.pknet.net (HELO pop.pknet.net) (216.241.167.213) by poshta.pknet.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2009 20:27:19 -0000 Received: from 216.241.167.212 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by webmail.pknet.net with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5359c8a6e4fc10bf951a7ee095b0d29f.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:27:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "Peter" To: "Mel Flynn" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Peter , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:27:20 -0000 > On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote: >> iH, >> This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: > > > >> Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP from /etc/hosts? > > Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should be > returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the first > one > returned? > A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure. > > -- > Mel I do not think /etc/hosts does round robin, I always assumed first match wins...DNS/bind I would understand... Why does ping always return the 172.20.6.1 address, and ftp,nc,ssh,telnet,fetch _always_ uses the 116 address? I would assume at least sometimes it would hit the 172 address with anything besides ping - but it only ping hits the 172 address... If so, I'd guess there would be consistency between ping lookups and 'telnet/ssh/etc' lookups... Why if the 116.23.45.3 last octet is bumped up, everything _always_ returns the 172 address? client# grep server /etc/hosts 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.5 server.test server client# telnet server Trying 172.20.6.1... telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused Trying 116.23.45.5... /etc/hosts - 'server' changed to 116.23.45.3: client# telnet server Trying 116.23.45.3... telnet: connect to address 116.23.45.3: Operation timed out Trying 172.20.6.1... telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host if server has ip>116.23.45.3, it always uses the 172 address first... but ping always uses the 172... even if third entry is added into /etc/hosts - nothing ever uses it as the first/primary IP. Is there an algorithm based on IP/program being used and the returned IP? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 20:43:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B90106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBCD8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54Kh05w003205 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:43:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:43:00 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:43:16 -0000 I have run across a couple of other ports that required the acceptance of a software agreement and the process was relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then some. For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle web site trying to connect the URL http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over function which is the state of the art of what passes for web design these days. I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages like javascript. Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the task at hand. Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and no way out except to back up to the previous screen. I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web site, not a specific person. I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs. The interesting thing about all this is that there has been a thread on this list about open source software. One comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be useful much of the time. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:14:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51253106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117998FC24 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD96119CE7 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:55:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gene" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:55:33 -0500 Message-Id: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.6 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:14:53 -0000 Hi All: I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always wind up with Status: No Carrier Any help greatly appreciated. _____________________- >From /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" >From wpa_supplicant.conf network={ ssid="northstar" psk="Passphrase here" } >From /var/log/messages ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff irq 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 ndis0: [ITHREAD] ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS And finally from ifconfig ndis0: genesis# ifconfig ndiso ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect status: no carrier ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL bintval 0 ________________________ IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:16:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D3A106568E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669EF8FC23 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n54LHmDk056014 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:16:39 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: time to ask for help... . X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:16:44 -0000 Around 18 months ago when my network was disintegrating, one Jon Horne very thoughtfully came to my rescue and stuck with me until things were reorganized and then rebuilt. The way my site is now configured, my ISP (Qwest) baby-bell has its router connected to my pfSense firewall. The firewall computer connects to my FreeBSD server which handles my DNS, mail, and web. The server then fans out to my several desktops. This one, my laptop, my daughter's MacBook, and has a spare CAT5 for my wife's PC. At a minimum, I'd like to have CVS working on at least my server. While Jon Horne had no formal bg in comp sci, the guy is a net-wizard. Problem is, that I haven't been able to reach him by chat or email for a couple weeks. Before Xmas, '07, I used ipf and/or IPFW .... managed to catch and kill hundreds of kiddie-scripters trying to crack in. But with pfSense and how things are *now*, I'm in the dark. So any help willl be very welcome. tia, folks, gary PS: personal plug: a slice of my book is within my ~/.sig ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:18:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD54F1065673 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CAA8FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so94481bwz.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:18:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DxdzE4LCoZNpIy6vpxB1HWR+lBRiTqsZaIS/2epuL70=; b=I+pF+ASGa5MKAMLjkMiYDkhxk2N6qc+9SqjTwTbeIV6TP5DCtxUesbN/k4ZjOofafk EPsauNwv49r6nWaj1BqQMfDpUWPdsUFM+vjeD5zHdHis8r0TnGhfBrekxWmHdiDnzdcb 5nYnU6xMhW/u7KUaweA1ad9yMK/lAKGyYVPEo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R3gLFaGr+gzU8snVVdUMLDGS7QwQOPF8kJ2INEPM9J3T42DIJZvd/558sWNEKEzV3G CLuMiSsRX+IEdryQvMi3Wzo8y7QaA2iBU7eViuiZplw8v68Py3IefU39Eczu5mLBAIq4 sysp/wgqN2N5LKfEY8+RJDJYUQwIxYbtYGqp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.77 with SMTP id x13mr2476593bkc.6.1244150296134; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:18:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:17:56 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:18:18 -0000 2009/6/4 Jerry McAllister : > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > >> >> Wojciech Puchar writes: >> >> > =A0> Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how >> > =A0> of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and >> > =A0> wherefor of use. >> > >> > =A0for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a >> _tutorial_. =A0It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the > > Yes, I know. =A0 That is why some other additional for is also useful. > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > form. =A0Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for > some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I > have never mucked with. > > I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. > > ////jerry > > >> "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters >> to the _fillintheblank() library call. =A0But if you're trying to >> figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this >> object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're >> stupider than you actually are. >> =A0 =A0 =A0 Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. =A0= But >> until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement >> it will be used as one. >> >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Robert Huff >> > Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. But then I've never really got on with lynx, either. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:55:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EE6106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@e-e.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [64.156.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221678FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@e-e.com) Received: from eggman.experts-exchange.com (unknown [72.29.180.81]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B843E4A43FAF for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eggman.experts-exchange.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:12:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:12:49 -0700 From: Jason Helfman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:55:25 -0000 Hello, Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, running it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've learned quiet a bit recently. I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the following error. 1 module(s): openssl need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make command, but after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included icu and ssl issues. All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to them. Thanks, Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:06:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC450106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39598FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54M4WBR040754; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:04:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54M4Jvs040749; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:04:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:04:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:06:09 -0000 > > It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a > _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the Handbook is a tutorial. And looking at files in /bin, /sbin/ etc.. and doing man was my way of learning unix years ago. > to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to > figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this > object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're > stupider than you actually are. man Xorg man xorg.conf what's wrong? > until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement text-only is important. Xorg is not part of FreeBSD, not always work, may be not wanted in many cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:07:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E19B106567A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910C78FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54M6u2o041485; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:06:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54M6uIS041368; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:06:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:06:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:07:11 -0000 > I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about design of unix. There is no need for "FreeBSD book" as long as books about unix exists, and there is FreeBSD handbook. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:12:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B43106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6A28FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MCLAt-00068Q-10 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:12:39 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net ([68.239.69.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:12:39 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:12:39 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:14:14 -0400 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:12:41 -0000 Martin McCormick wrote: > I have run across a couple of other ports that required the > acceptance of a software agreement and the process was > relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then > some. > > For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle > web site trying to connect the URL > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html > > with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of > this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file > has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over > function which is the state of the art of what passes for web > design these days. > > I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an > option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that > truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx > browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input > and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages > like javascript. > > Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same > way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use > and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of > marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the > task at hand. > > Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen > of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and > no way out except to back up to the previous screen. > > I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth > wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a > dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web > site, not a specific person. > > I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd > have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs. > > The interesting thing about all this is that there has > been a thread on this list about open source software. One > comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of > hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be > useful much of the time. > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus- linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:14:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D30106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6868FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54ME3WB046520; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:14:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54ME2bQ046517; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:14:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:14:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jerry McAllister In-Reply-To: <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:14:12 -0000 >> What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available >> about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about >> design of unix. > > FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS. > Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all > of them together. port subsystem, but not ported programs. The same way as eg. Corel Draw isn't part of micro-soft windows From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:20:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D07D106567B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9B28FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MCLIN-0006Pq-QY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:20:23 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net ([68.239.69.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:20:23 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:20:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:22 -0400 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:20:26 -0000 Michael Powell wrote: > Martin McCormick wrote: > >> I have run across a couple of other ports that required the >> acceptance of a software agreement and the process was >> relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then >> some. >> >> For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle >> web site trying to connect the URL >> > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html >> [snip] > Arghh! Wordwrapping broke it as a link. Try, try, and try again. Sigh Click here: http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip Hope this helps. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:02:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5DB106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AAE8FC1C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:02:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n54L07O8033341; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n54L06YZ033340; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Robert Huff Message-ID: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:39:09 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:02:29 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar writes: > > > > Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how > > > of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and > > > wherefor of use. > > > > for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. > > It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a > _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other form. Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I have never mucked with. I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. ////jerry > "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters > to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to > figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this > object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're > stupider than you actually are. > Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. But > until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement > it will be used as one. > > > Robert Huff > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:16:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942D9106568F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B6E8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:16:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6270C3CDB1; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:16:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54LG5qs001979; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:16:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:16:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jerry McAllister Message-Id: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:39:25 +0000 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:16:18 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > form. Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 21:52:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF6106564A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BBD8FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n54Lo4Gr033517; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n54Lo4Nd033516; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:50:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:50:04 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090604215003.GA33497@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:48:46 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:52:24 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > > form. > > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. > Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc > and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. Something that is helpful in understanding the formal language of the man page, and should be done more. But it is not quite a why and wherefor. ////jerry > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:11:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D07A106567E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5AF8FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n54M9Up8033643; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:09:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n54M9UlK033642; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:09:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:09:30 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:49:01 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:11:50 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:06:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > >person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > >question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. > > What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available > about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about > design of unix. FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS. Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all of them together. ////jerry > > There is no need for "FreeBSD book" as long as books about unix exists, > and there is FreeBSD handbook. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 22:35:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C153F10656C4 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DFF8FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C23E3CF36; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54MZBeb002212; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:35:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:35:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:49:19 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Robert Huff , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:35:15 -0000 On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:04:19 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > text-only is important. > > Xorg is not part of FreeBSD, not always work, may be not wanted in many > cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text maybe it's worth emphasizing that manpages in the "text only" form are the best solution for users with disabilities. A blind user can easily browse (read through) a manpage on his Braille output system, or have it read to him with a speech synthesizer. Because the text in the manpage is continous (no subsectioning and branching across different documents), the flow of reading is much easier and requires less interaction. The "text only" method describes how things ARE, not how things LOOK LIKE, which seems to be the common way of "modern documenting" using screenshots that show pictures of a screen, and you need many of those pictures to describe a certain process, which often makes it look like a children's book. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:08:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBED2106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1087F8FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54N8T2Y054328; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:08:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54N8S1r054325; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:08:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:08:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:39 -0000 >> cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text > > maybe it's worth emphasizing that manpages in the "text only" > form are the best solution for users with disabilities. I actually know a blind man. But he has to use windoze+putty to be able to use FreeBSD - because textreader software works only that way. There are no braile style text terminals IMHO. > The "text only" method describes how things ARE, not how things > LOOK LIKE, which seems to be the common way of "modern documenting" The funny things in today GUI's are situation like buttons with text AND icons. Looks like micro-soft and friends do really care of third-world people. When someone can't read, he/she have icon to help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:18:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8021065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9CC8FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so728036fxm.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KAm3Ybplq3/wEZLBHW5QSlAlZoliJupYnDokeqbIRiU=; b=LdHJce57XZ6mkvlaRdcNXkkWe8dLloJuSkf86IL0E8EzQ92kh22Gv+Dc5wBxX3QN8S KFOHEv6jm0YzG5Ky9kdabxMYTo2cT790tj7NwIuiZ74bUmeE7WHNdeAsk3FeNMCN3Vf5 fF73IEHMK6a3xqgKLS60auWYgFGla1t+dsbRE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h1q1wz5GvNxEGJNMoz2ekezCkT0bAbUL3npyl4bGxij8dJcAHIOSElR2hUc6ezyR43 AWhEOBeNM/CltkHLbG1XmzvnRamE3/+gabcMaQ+zupYA02kP/45Wt0RMZ8KO3FdCF9az MUP2C4w3UGEuopmdjIvKapqn94EsfK0O5A4Bg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.68.73 with SMTP id u9mr2497542bki.192.1244157522097; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:18:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: Gene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:18:43 -0000 On 6/4/09, Gene wrote: > Hi All: > > I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no > encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always > wind up with > > Status: No Carrier > > Any help greatly appreciated. > _____________________- > > >From /etc/rc.conf: > > ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" > > >From wpa_supplicant.conf > > network={ > ssid="northstar" > psk="Passphrase here" > } > > >From /var/log/messages > > ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff > irq > 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 > ndis0: [ITHREAD] > ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 > NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: > > genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan > > SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS > northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS > > And finally from ifconfig ndis0: > > genesis# ifconfig ndiso > > ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect > status: no carrier > ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) > authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL > bintval 0 > > ________________________ > > IHN, > Gene > > -- > To everything there is a season, > And a time to every purpose under heaven. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Look in output from wpa_supplicant using -d switch for information about possible misconfiguration. # wpa_supplicant -d -Dndis -iwlan0 -cMY_CONF.FILE -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:27:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB64106566B for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EA98FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n54NQv5c060919; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:26:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:26:36 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Hartkemeyer References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:27:00 -0000 Mark Hartkemeyer said the following on 2009-06-04 18:23: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package Yes 50SEK a month > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) No answer > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." Sun and solaris + linux > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." No. Do it yourself. > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." No > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) Yes. > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:30:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245C1065676 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FAB8FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-65-8.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.65.8]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C88A3CE7D; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n54NURk6002471; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:30:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:30:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jerry McAllister , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:30:36 -0000 On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:08:28 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I actually know a blind man. But he has to use windoze+putty to be able to > use FreeBSD - because textreader software works only that way. > > There are no braile style text terminals IMHO. I've seen them, used in conjunction with DOS. But that was many years ago. They hooked somewhere into the GPU's output pipeline (after the GPU, prior to the CRT). A slider on the side allowed to select which text lines to put on Braille, one or two lines. 1234567890 QWERTZUIOP ABCDEFGHKL ----+ up/down YXCVBNM,.- | | :.:..:.:.: <---+ The Braille output was 1x80 or 2x80. For outputs with less colums, 1x40 or 2x40, an additional horizontal slider was added. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:35:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF07106566C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3038FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54NYXJ3054415; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:34:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54NYX6v054412; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:34:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:34:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:35:39 -0000 >> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >> 768kBps > > My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month 1Gbyte/s? it's 10Gbit/s What card do you use to connect? >> server on my connection. > > Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 4 23:35:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2064E1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F698FC0C for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54NZXGA054436; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:35:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n54NZXF0054433; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:35:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:35:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jerry McAllister , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:35:43 -0000 > The Braille output was 1x80 or 2x80. For outputs with less > colums, 1x40 or 2x40, an additional horizontal slider was > added. RS-232 connected braile terminal would be THAT SIMPLE. Really nobody wanted to make money....incredible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 00:50:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732321065675 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1420A8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n550pdAQ057361 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:50:30 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090605005030.GB4912@thought.org> References: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Subject: Network help needed (was: Re: time to ask for help... .) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:50:35 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:16:39PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Around 18 months ago when my network was disintegrating, one Jon Horne > very thoughtfully came to my rescue and stuck with me until things were > reorganized and then rebuilt. The way my site is now configured, my ISP > (Qwest) baby-bell has its router connected to my pfSense firewall. The > firewall computer connects to my FreeBSD server which handles my DNS, > mail, and web. The server then fans out to my several desktops. This > one, my laptop, my daughter's MacBook, and has a spare CAT5 for my wife's > PC. > > At a minimum, I'd like to have CVS working on at least my server. While > Jon Horne had no formal bg in comp sci, the guy is a net-wizard. Problem > is, that I haven't been able to reach him by chat or email for a couple > weeks. > > Before Xmas, '07, I used ipf and/or IPFW .... managed to catch and kill > hundreds of kiddie-scripters trying to crack in. But with pfSense and > how things are *now*, I'm in the dark. So any help willl be very welcome. > > tia, folks, > > gary > > PS: personal plug: a slice of my book is within my ~/.sig ... with red face: the php code that was messed up fixed. this is the LAST Time i;ll touch the bloody thing... . -g > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 00:51:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591BA106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D077A8FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:51:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n550pEqn062363; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 02:51:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:50:53 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:51:17 -0000 Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-06-05 01:34: >>> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >>> 768kBps >> >> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > > 1Gbyte/s? Yes. > it's 10Gbit/s No. > What card do you use to connect? A netgear 310fx I only have a 100mb/s >>> server on my connection. >> >> Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > > So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. You can't. But I have a real connection which does not (yet) block the ports. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 00:55:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B748106568B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D998FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-74-54.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.74.54]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n550t3B9062375; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 02:55:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4A286CD1.9090605@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:54:41 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:55:05 -0000 NB this is a residential ISP I'm writing about. Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-06-05 01:34: >>> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >>> 768kBps >> >> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > > 1Gbyte/s? it's 10Gbit/s > What card do you use to connect? > >>> server on my connection. >> >> Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > > So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 02:49:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7B61065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 02:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from llc2w@virginia.edu) Received: from fork4.mail.virginia.edu (fork4.mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A08C8FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 02:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from llc2w@virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fork4.mail.virginia.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC2C11B087 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fork4.mail.virginia.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fork4.mail.virginia.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05054-06 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by fork4.mail.virginia.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C1F11B077 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ew0-f211.google.com with SMTP id 7so1686481ewy.24 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:25:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.19.210 with SMTP id n60mr1060465wen.107.1244168730650; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: <792298050906041925g11d7c519k48e6d392be6c6471@mail.gmail.com> From: L Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UVA-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fork4.mail.virginia.edu Subject: Lighttpd wedged and ignoring SIGKILL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:49:15 -0000 As a fore-note, I'm not subscribed to this list, so please CC me :) I was just tweaking a php.ini file and restarted Lighttpd (via rc.d). The rc script was taking forever to stop it (was waiting for the process to terminate). After a couple minutes, I got impatient and killed the rc script with ^C and issued a `killall -9 lighttpd`. Much to my surprise, this didn't have any effect (and neither did kill -9 with the PID). top showed lighttpd with the unchanging PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 85542 www 1 51 0 102M 85360K CPU6 6 16:34 100.00% lighttpd Basically, wedged on CPU6. root@tomoyo> uname -a FreeBSD tomoyo 7.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Apr 27 16:58:17 UTC 2009 bsdadmin@tomoyo:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/TOMOYO amd64 Using SMP and SCHED_ULE. I "resolved" the issue by rebooting the machine. I guess my questions are twofold: 1) Should this be possible? What is going on here? 2) If this happens again, how should it be resolved? What diagnostics can I run to further diagnose the problem? Thanks a bunch for any help (and don't forget to CC me!) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 03:05:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341E9106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B939C8FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n552O2Cg081876 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:24:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906050224.n552O2Cg081876@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <81874.1244168642.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:24:02 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:05:31 -0000 Michael Powell writes: > Arghh! Wordwrapping broke it as a link. Try, try, and try again. Sigh > > Click here: Thanks so much. I did catch the word wrap on the first link and it worked. As I wrote you off list, there is a dependancy that requires yet another trip through insanity to retrieve that file also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 03:13:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C2F106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9278FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd1@a1poweruser.com) Received: from [10.0.10.6] ([202.69.174.71]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:13:05 +0800 From: Fbsd1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2009 03:13:10.0499 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E284B30:01C9E58B] X-Sender: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com Cc: Dan Naumov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:13:32 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z >>> requires it. it's exactly what you want. >>> >>> >> pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat >> /tmp/pkglist` installed >> >> > for sure you used ' instead of ` > Yet that was the error. I did not know there was another type of quote key on the keyboard. The one used in the example is below the Esc key. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 03:34:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689731065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA4B8FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so515099rvb.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:34:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JffMcmHQr/8Cr5MS+A6CChvpCLBkxU6gVFFkIJFkkrE=; b=QsM+io1NUlhIeAmstwbTzlzW18lP63/e07rJGGeNkMXW+65iMC3K0wqDrhYwmFsM0+ lROpRCsmtfEBCrK14ZmyIC1gTGC9gfSY5Jy0H7RlkqJz/YhqcoForsjK1p0z1Y3TC7KJ 2e/T0yt05ClTlUc2sN7AeijTLwQ94wCQ63Mls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wXyu2gNHiVVBu1t4u7dGMeIRnDOa32l5r0Tsy8rRVk9CPL6rXQ8KPWDXc1rjyYYmie ddysBVudA4TjqlYif4KYOVbqSz8VsUYpQgUqnQRkcwkf3P4rnGCKKeLF2QRX3TFAV29w L6CdITFSMuOnAApi9HlINaGFXI6zYHaOc3gAc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.154.9 with SMTP id b9mr1017941wfe.151.1244172883959; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:34:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:34:43 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Mark Hartkemeyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:34:44 -0000 On 6/4/09, Mark Hartkemeyer wrote: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. - When faced with questions such as, "Do you guys need advanced notice if I change my ethernet (MAC) address?" They inform me that my IP address is static and I should not change it. (I spoofed the MAC address. It would have taken years on hold for htem to understand.) - When I ask them why I have no connection, they go through the unplug-routine again. I later find out that their service was down for half the state, but technical support wasn't informed of the outage. - One time I called after they had switched to a new phone system. I could hear technical support, but they couldn't hear me: "Technical Support, this is Kathy. How may I help you?" "Are you guys having trouble on your end? My connection just bit the dust." "Sir?" "Yes, what?" "Sir are you there?" "Umm...yeah. I'm right here, Kathy. Hello!" "*click*" - I never get the bandwidth I pay for, because they oversold their service. - The guys who wired my location took the most illogical approach possible. There is probably 500 extra feet of cable that just wraps around the building from one end to the other. - When they showed up to install a lighting arrestor, I had to provide them with tools, because they forgot to bring any. (They forgot to bring tools!) - My service was inexplicably cancelled one day, despite me never being offline. So when I had problems a week later, I was told I didn't have an account with them. This took four hours on the telephone (Four freaking hours! Mostly on hold.) to clear up. I think signing up for a new account would have been less painful. Perhaps I should have just not said anything and waited to see if I was still receiving a bill. - They always ask me to 'go to the start menu', despite the fact I'm running FreeBSD. One support person didn't know what an operating system was: "Sir, I need you to go to the start menu..." "I'm not on Windows. What is it you're looking for?" "Sir?" "I'm not using Windows. I'm using FreeBSD." "Free what?" "FreeBSD, it's an operating system." "What's an operating system?" "..." *Oh my God* "Sir are you there?" "Yeah, I'm there. I'm in the Windows control panel. Please proceed." We're pretty rural here, so unless I go with a high latency satellite connection, they're the only game in town. Maybe I should start my own ISP. It couldn't be any worse. Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. Best of luck with your troubles. You're not alone! -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 04:10:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D211065673 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itsemu@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025708FC21 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from itsemu@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1677599ewy.43 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:10:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=apGNurSfmlnTTaxKdfNZzXu7UB76PSeLAemggKSRNYU=; b=GmAq5IbDIk/v1himuNStLQY2DRJAoWI9bViEVNtF8V5ygnUlYCDNWsiul8nMOCUCZ+ QmZFk7HUpaURKkZe2QRo3GgwARiT9H/d3FG1F7sTrODoC64/DSlXfMw6aR+SSc8q/kjb X1KHLjhlZT1paXr8YqO11KvTnRqkRVYBGE87c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eTGj2SHhOvaaj7y3hQ2qTm/yYn9p2Uqi/UBlxu0L/LLyA05DygF84CiSvn1W+buPrB dFWNHTghC1lgiMTieirbJ3m0RPgpkc09Zl3eqc6vcNc+7K7L8oMmZr8y7w7x3cCyce8g Ee9Ra2K2pFPHAj0Npjk68WdUExLZxLKiI66xk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.81 with SMTP id j59mr1039846wea.50.1244173835703; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:50:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:50:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: itsemu To: Modulok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:10:43 -0000 if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows.. probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware each different county they are supporting has in there headend because its all different, reverse dns will probably be a waste of ip space because of the way its assigned in classes and i seriously doubt they will do it via a ticket if its not that way. named registration if im catching that right godaddys probably going to be cheaper maybe im wrong who knows.. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Modulok wrote: > On 6/4/09, Mark Hartkemeyer wrote: > > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > > people before I even got some of them answered. > > > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > > 768kBps > > > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > > "You need a static IP." > > > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > > "Talk to residential services." > > > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some > ports? > > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > > server on my connection. > > > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > > (They didn't know.) > > > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark Hartkemeyer > > While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: > > - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable > modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. > > - When faced with questions such as, "Do you guys need advanced notice > if I change my ethernet (MAC) address?" They inform me that my IP > address is static and I should not change it. (I spoofed the MAC > address. It would have taken years on hold for htem to understand.) > > - When I ask them why I have no connection, they go through the > unplug-routine again. I later find out that their service was down for > half the state, but technical support wasn't informed of the outage. > > - One time I called after they had switched to a new phone system. I > could hear technical support, but they couldn't hear me: > > "Technical Support, this is Kathy. How may I help you?" > "Are you guys having trouble on your end? My connection just bit the dust." > "Sir?" > "Yes, what?" > "Sir are you there?" > "Umm...yeah. I'm right here, Kathy. Hello!" > "*click*" > > - I never get the bandwidth I pay for, because they oversold their service. > > - The guys who wired my location took the most illogical approach > possible. There is probably 500 extra feet of cable that just wraps > around the building from one end to the other. > > - When they showed up to install a lighting arrestor, I had to provide > them with tools, because they forgot to bring any. (They forgot to > bring tools!) > > - My service was inexplicably cancelled one day, despite me never > being offline. So when I had problems a week later, I was told I > didn't have an account with them. This took four hours on the > telephone (Four freaking hours! Mostly on hold.) to clear up. I think > signing up for a new account would have been less painful. Perhaps I > should have just not said anything and waited to see if I was still > receiving a bill. > > - They always ask me to 'go to the start menu', despite the fact I'm > running FreeBSD. One support person didn't know what an operating > system was: > > "Sir, I need you to go to the start menu..." > "I'm not on Windows. What is it you're looking for?" > "Sir?" > "I'm not using Windows. I'm using FreeBSD." > "Free what?" > "FreeBSD, it's an operating system." > "What's an operating system?" > "..." *Oh my God* > "Sir are you there?" > "Yeah, I'm there. I'm in the Windows control panel. Please proceed." > > We're pretty rural here, so unless I go with a high latency satellite > connection, they're the only game in town. Maybe I should start my own > ISP. It couldn't be any worse. > > Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support > people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for > their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > Best of luck with your troubles. You're not alone! > -Modulok- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 04:15:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E55106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F028FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:15:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2009 00:15:35 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PYH03278; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2009 00:14:35 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18984.39851.696031.137774@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:14:35 -0400 To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:32:01 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:15:36 -0000 Polytropon writes: > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. s/Many/Some/ Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 05:33:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCA81065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5AA8FC1D for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4487322.home.otenet.gr [94.71.68.162]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n555XMr2024785; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:33:22 +0300 Message-ID: <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:22 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Helfman References: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> In-Reply-To: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:33:28 -0000 Jason Helfman wrote: > Hello, > > Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, > running > it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've > learned > quiet a bit recently. > > I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the > following > error. > > 1 module(s): openssl > need(s) to be rebuilt > > Reason(s): > > ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl > > Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue > your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. > > At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make > command, but > after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included > icu and ssl issues. > > All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to > them. > > Thanks, > Jason Which version of FreeBSD are you using? I am getting the above error trying to compile openoffice 3 on 8.0-CURRENT tinderbox (and I tried several times, updating to the latest current). It compiles normally on 7.2-RELEASE (haven't tested on stable). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:41:03 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I've recently installed 7.2-RELEASE few weeks ago and noticed that it panics after few minutes of loading snd_ds1 (driver for Yamaha PCI sound card), and playing music on it. I've not added snd_ds1 to my loader.conf so as soon as I explicitly kldload it and start playing music (or try to access sound card like using gnome-sound-recorder) it panics after few minutes. Following are the backtraces of the panics. ,---- | (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 |=20 | Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: |=20 |=20 | Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode | cpuid =3D 0; apic id =3D 00 | instruction pointer =3D 0x8:0xffffffff807c5f22 | stack pointer =3D 0x10:0xfffffffebf031a00 | frame pointer =3D 0x10:0xffff804000020048 | code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b | =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 | processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 | current process =3D 72310 (sshd) | trap number =3D 9 | panic: general protection fault | cpuid =3D 0 | Uptime: 6h25m1s | Physical memory: 2025 MB | Dumping 386 MB: 371 355 339 323 307 291 275 259 243 227 211 195 179 163 1= 47 131 115 99 83 67 51 35 19 3 |=20 | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko...Reading symbols from = /boot/GENERIC/geom_journal.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko...Reading symbols from /bo= ot/GENERIC/linprocfs.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linux.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/G= ENERIC/linux.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linux.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/pf.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENE= RIC/pf.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/pf.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko...Reading symbols from /= boot/GENERIC/blank_saver.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko...Reading symbols from /bo= ot/GENERIC/ng_socket.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/netgraph.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko...Reading symbols from /boot= /GENERIC/ng_mppc.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/rc4.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GEN= ERIC/rc4.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/rc4.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_iface.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/= GENERIC/ng_ppp.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/= GENERIC/ng_tee.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_ether.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_pppoe.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/i915.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GE= NERIC/i915.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/i915.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/drm.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GEN= ERIC/drm.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/drm.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko...Reading symbols from /boot= /GENERIC/snd_ds1.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/sound.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/G= ENERIC/sound.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/sound.ko | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | 195 pcpu.h: No such file or directory. | in pcpu.h | (kgdb) bt | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () | #2 0xffffffff8050df19 in boot (howto=3D260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_sh= utdown.c:418 | #3 0xffffffff8050e322 in panic (fmt=3D0x104
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 | #4 0xffffffff807d2193 in trap_fatal (frame=3D0xffffff00038bb370, eva=3DV= ariable "eva" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:757 | #5 0xffffffff807d2ce5 in trap (frame=3D0xfffffffebf031950) at /usr/src/s= ys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:558 | #6 0xffffffff807b700e in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/excepti= on.S:209 | #7 0xffffffff807c5f22 in pmap_remove_pages (pmap=3D0xffffff00696730f8) a= t /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/pmap.c:3812 | #8 0xffffffff8073e708 in vmspace_exit (td=3D0xffffff00038bb370) at /usr/= src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:404 | #9 0xffffffff804e92b0 in exit1 (td=3D0xffffff00038bb370, rv=3D65280) at = /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:306 | #10 0xffffffff804ea68e in sys_exit (td=3DVariable "td" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:110 | #11 0xffffffff807d27e7 in syscall (frame=3D0xfffffffebf031c80) at /usr/sr= c/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:900 | #12 0xffffffff807b721b in Xfast_syscall () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/ex= ception.S:330 | #13 0x000000080132850c in ?? () | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) `---- ,---- | (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.1 |=20 | Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: |=20 |=20 | Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode | cpuid =3D 1; apic id =3D 01 | fault virtual address =3D 0x258 | fault code =3D supervisor read data, page not present | instruction pointer =3D 0x8:0xffffffff8050119d | stack pointer =3D 0x10:0xfffffffebf1c2950 | frame pointer =3D 0x10:0xffffff00341f6a50 | code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b | =3D DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 | processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 | current process =3D 34352 (ruby18) | trap number =3D 12 | panic: page fault | cpuid =3D 1 | Uptime: 2h59m0s | Physical memory: 2025 MB | Dumping 336 MB: 321 305 289 273 257 241 225 209 193 177 161 145 129 113 9= 7 81 65 49 33 17 1 |=20 | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko...Reading symbols from = /boot/GENERIC/geom_journal.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko...Reading symbols from /bo= ot/GENERIC/linprocfs.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linux.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/G= ENERIC/linux.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linux.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/pf.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENE= RIC/pf.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/pf.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko...Reading symbols from /= boot/GENERIC/blank_saver.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/i915.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GE= NERIC/i915.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/i915.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/drm.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GEN= ERIC/drm.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/drm.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko...Reading symbols from /bo= ot/GENERIC/ng_socket.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/netgraph.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko...Reading symbols from /boot= /GENERIC/ng_mppc.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/rc4.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GEN= ERIC/rc4.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/rc4.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_iface.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/= GENERIC/ng_ppp.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/= GENERIC/ng_tee.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_ether.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko...Reading symbols from /boo= t/GENERIC/ng_pppoe.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko...Reading symbols from /boot= /GENERIC/snd_ds1.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/sound.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/G= ENERIC/sound.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/sound.ko | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | 195 in pcpu.h | (kgdb) bt | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () | #2 0xffffffff8050df19 in boot (howto=3D260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_sh= utdown.c:418 | #3 0xffffffff8050e322 in panic (fmt=3D0x104
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 | #4 0xffffffff807d2193 in trap_fatal (frame=3D0xffffff00341f6a50, eva=3DV= ariable "eva" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:757 | #5 0xffffffff807d2565 in trap_pfault (frame=3D0xfffffffebf1c28a0, usermo= de=3D0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:673 | #6 0xffffffff807d2ea4 in trap (frame=3D0xfffffffebf1c28a0) at /usr/src/s= ys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:444 | #7 0xffffffff807b700e in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/excepti= on.S:209 | #8 0xffffffff8050119d in _mtx_lock_sleep (m=3D0xffffff003439aca8, tid=3D= 18446742975072397904, opts=3DVariable "opts" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:339 | #9 0xffffffff8054465a in sleepq_catch_signals (wchan=3D0xffffff00341a100= 0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_sleepqueue.c:392 | #10 0xffffffff80544f9b in sleepq_wait_sig (wchan=3DVariable "wchan" is no= t available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_sleepqueue.c:594 | #11 0xffffffff8051624e in _sleep (ident=3D0xffffff00341a1000, lock=3D0xff= ffff00341a12b0, priority=3D180, wmesg=3D0xffffffff808b162e "piperd",=20 | timo=3D0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_synch.c:228 | #12 0xffffffff8054cd60 in pipe_read (fp=3D0xffffff00341c9300, uio=3D0xfff= ffffebf1c2b10, active_cred=3DVariable "active_cred" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_pipe.c:689 | #13 0xffffffff8054a32d in dofileread (td=3D0xffffff00341f6a50, fd=3D4, fp= =3D0xffffff00341c9300, auio=3D0xfffffffebf1c2b10, offset=3DVariable "offset= " is not available. | ) at file.h:245 | #14 0xffffffff8054a69e in kern_readv (td=3D0xffffff00341f6a50, fd=3D4, au= io=3D0xfffffffebf1c2b10) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:193 | #15 0xffffffff8054a78c in read (td=3D0xffffff003439aca8, uap=3D0xffffff00= 341f6a50) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:109 | #16 0xffffffff807d27e7 in syscall (frame=3D0xfffffffebf1c2c80) at /usr/sr= c/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:900 | #17 0xffffffff807b721b in Xfast_syscall () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/ex= ception.S:330 | #18 0x0000000800d860dc in ?? () | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) `---- Any ideas how to resolve this ? TiA =2D-=20 Ashish SHUKLA --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkooqaoACgkQHy+EEHYuXnR0/QCfc4ygxsU4MNZrHbl8YdtMCEDF RDQAn1EKldc6R4axt9MZCz0XEjIVHrPm =tmbD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 06:04:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0105A106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC1F8FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5564XEi017675; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:04:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n5564XEi017675 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1244181874; bh=5ncmpSrg3hXA+SyVYOP5xnS4WiCLC7VmOAYS5Nw1eBs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20F ri,=2005=20Jun=202009=2007:04:26=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090420)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Reid=20Linnemann=20 |CC:=20Mark=20Hartkemeyer=20,=20freebsd-questi ons@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20ISP=20questions|References:=20<40 96aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com>=20<4A28 1AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu>|In-Reply-To:=20<4A281AB8.5030004@cs.o kstate.edu>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart /signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicatio n/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigBC02C35197 87C5CC9CDCA667"; b=a9yZhO/UpZsHSEKRtdJFwkXOznkbezsyxLiBobDuG9hV6wftlh5HvMoUmKtnUx036 sr5QzA3x6OwmRt+hugVlIYDLQbT4j1zltPpDKpyfn87adVCUWK1sFaI999H8OHFi3L 6RZsr8NRe8wl9C2YQHMRFUY6GFYmClPOo6cKpuss= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:04:26 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reid Linnemann References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBC02C3519787C5CC9CDCA667" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:04:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBC02C3519787C5CC9CDCA667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23>> >> I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The >> Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter >> 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my >> ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four >> people before I even got some of them answered. >> >> Here are some of the questions and answers: >> >> 1. What speed connections do you offer? >> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits= ?) >> 768kBps >> >> 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? >> Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package >> >> 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? >> "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they >> misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) >> >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." >> >> 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? >> "You need a static IP." >> >> 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? >> "Talk to residential services." >> >> 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some p= orts? >> "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After >> asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http >> server on my connection. >> >> 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? >> (They didn't know.) >> >> I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone >> asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response >> did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good >> resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark Hartkemeyer >=20 > These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew= > the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was > wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representativ= e > for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever > gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that= > are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any > intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you > could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's > north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable > to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting i= n > a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical > support requests (e.g., "my internet don't work"). The reps are paid fa= r > to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return > for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front= > of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell the= m > to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier > II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enoug= h > in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. Man, you're with the wrong ISP. The one I use would have no problems at all answering all of the above, and they'd do it on the phone, by e-mail,= usenet, IRC and probably by generating smoke-signals from the roof of the= datacenter if they thought it would help. Brilliant approach to customer= management; technical service levels damn good too, despite everything it= seems their NSPs do to foul things up. Actually, the answers to virtually all of those questions are on their we= b site already. Oh, and they actually like you to run your own mail, web and DNS... The = only slight flaw is that they are a bunch of penguinistas rather than embracin= g the one true daemonic faith. But I can forgive them for that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigBC02C3519787C5CC9CDCA667 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkootXEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz/PwCeLXznA/lyOfVIjzAjem1hN7AJ efgAn13OzpeLCiiBiFsY6LYIMVyqCbRK =fdLE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBC02C3519787C5CC9CDCA667-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 07:02:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0BD106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E468FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5571CQE074528; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:01:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5571Bwr074525; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:01:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:01:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:02:20 -0000 >>> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month >> >> 1Gbyte/s? > > Yes. > >> it's 10Gbit/s > > No. So 1Gbyte or Gbit/s? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 07:02:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439E01065680 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAAB8FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5572pNQ074541; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:02:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5572prp074538; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:02:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:02:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Reid Linnemann , Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:02:56 -0000 >> in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. > > Man, you're with the wrong ISP. Or maybe it's best ISP available there? :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 07:42:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEB61065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from c.mail.ru.ac.za (c.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A600D8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=FcOCmKSABXoF0Mg0uLzFTmJWifg7Srq/cmq12LCUzn8JxGHIRL2TuIHSoZaswhL29x7Ibn4RX+/akERaKrWK7pgGaLmHZnIsmifllDY9/I/hqZINFgvP+unpK0e+a9Uw; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:51066) by c.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MCU3y-0005r9-1b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:42:06 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:42:05 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: c.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:3) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:42:10 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:28:56 Tim Judd wrote: > On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Hello list, > >> > >> Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > >> CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > > > > make your own CD > > > > add file boot.config containing just one line: > > > > -P > > > > to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot > > -no-emul-boot) and record > > > > refer to > > > > man boot.config Unless things have changed since I last did this, this isn't going to work. First of all, the CD boot process doesn't pick up the boot.config. Secondly, many motherboards use a BIOS which causes the -P test to fail. What you can do is create boot/loader.conf on the CD image containing console="comconsole" > > Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as > "off" and won't present a tty/login then. Yes, it is. You don't need a login for an installation. You do need to make sure you enable the correct serial port (usually ttyd0, as you point out) in /etc/ttys before you reboot at the end of the installation. > I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process > hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. It's not an ideal process (particularly since the serial console only cuts in at a very late stage). One day I will make time to sit down and work out how to do it properly on a CD. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 07:56:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7905106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374CC8FC1A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so186596bwz.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:56:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=TrE2cnlbVRuf9IshzGElndFmxizUPCbYxa24ZSZ3VhY=; b=qf+JIKmvZDVTHTlAFKWrOjqAhR7Xw+VoobgkdFwMZC1OFtPmBretn02fB+46RcoSY2 m5L5+1EVtnBS9OrKVXlTjebD6SpzPdwTXm9ZHts8Jk7v2PvovGcNeJAPveawXY5TRduE 3l9twxEiV165Fc5XNwUYJSv/vclUPhhhxoFpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=TjWF2DiYPx0h8H73ATExFb8bYSaHE8Vxxm2g6YoLJVwk5I45dLHVY9QFMYUELmbtyf stQO7qJ6pGjM8kGWBlOCF7ZG0RcAZ2X23nkKPv11ds+MLiXTvShKTkBki3aEX8xrOXns SHlvhYTvKQivJsHctPbVs41NpGLJv/k3iBkv8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.246.1 with SMTP id y1mr1997518mur.72.1244188604115; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:56:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> From: Valentin Bud Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:56:24 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430906050056v7e5f80eyff7b3ed4240fb9fd@mail.gmail.com> To: Fbsd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , Dan Naumov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:56:46 -0000 On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Fbsd1 wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires >>>> it. it's exactly what you want. >>>> >>>> >>>> pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat >>> /tmp/pkglist` installed >>> >>> >>> for sure you used ' instead of ` >> >> Yet that was the error. I did not know there was another type of quote > key on the keyboard. The one used in the example is below the Esc key. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The `` (below your escape key) do command substitution while '' do quoting. This is just FYI :). a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 08:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1AE106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from ghirai.com (ghirai.com [195.74.52.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE32A8FC14 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghirai@ghirai.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ghirai.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6563A17028 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:26:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:26:57 +0300 From: Ghirai To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20090605082703.CE32A8FC14@mx1.freebsd.org> Subject: pf nat dual gateways X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:27:04 -0000 Hi, I would need some help in getting this working. The idea is pretty simple, i have a box with 3 NICs; 2 for net pipes, and one for LAN. Routing and NAT works, however, i need that requests to u_ips always get NATed through u_if, and everything else through ext_if. As it is now, everything goes through ext_if. ext_if="tun0" int_if="vr0" u_if="ed0" ext_services="{2222}" int_services="{53,80}" rdp_port="{3232}" rdp_srv="{192.168.0.250}" u_ips="{123.123.123.123}" u_gw="192.168.1.1" localnet=$int_if:network set skip on lo0 set optimization aggressive set limit states 50000 scrub in all nat on $ext_if from $localnet to any -> ($ext_if) nat on $u_if from $localnet to $u_ips -> ($u_if) rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port $rdp_port -> $rdp_srv port 3389 antispoof for $ext_if antispoof for $u_if block drop all pass in inet proto tcp from any to any port $ext_services \ flags S/SA keep state pass in inet proto {tcp,udp} from $localnet to $int_if port $int_services \ flags S/SA keep state pass out all keep state pass from $localnet to any keep state And here's ifconfig: vr0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2808 ether 00:13:d4:a7:84:f9 inet 192.168.0.254 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ed0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 52:54:00:df:92:3f inet 192.168.1.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) rl0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:02:44:59:91:d5 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active plip0: flags=108810 metric 0 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1492 inet 111.111.111.111 --> 111.111.111.254 netmask 0xffffffff Opened by PID 449 As you can see, u_if(ed0) has IP addr 192.168.1.5, and the gateway is 192.168.1.1 (u_gw). Running 7.2-RELEASE, amd64. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Ghirai. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 08:41:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D768B106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roys1012@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8B98FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roys1012@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1797344ewy.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fV1i6fOzZx28WlIHfzWc+1eG9VUKmuaPFkhf6rSJePU=; b=BFU2R/1D7+2f4wZJ3pjqogXdi8ZpflIppHQl7dpuefrOph0Jk8xFa6rBky6G5bWuzB ldUNWMjY5BqnsFfXiwiZgYcRV5nT/Et006+MVeiybK2thuk4ImMRP3aO3FNFRM/LRY5n hOh1wVe+w9OpWVkNO/LrxRA/L7TgWaIn9RCHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=C5wOZZCA3WJ5F//QNWeSx8p9aeoThFKQ5VBBZCGuKhGqjDmh8jHkAewqeXXDJoYP5f fURi+7qQShCFzu2Sv/h1PjbfivR//GlEE0odO0cVZb399+PliGeoDpAIaFsJH9ii7/eL b2tmEE+NXYfA+yzj71KXuNYPTAWaXTUg/04HM= Received: by 10.216.26.202 with SMTP id c52mr1087453wea.98.1244191293634; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.125? (ip193-123-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl [87.210.123.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p37sm9193332gvf.27.2009.06.05.01.41.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Roy Stuivenberg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:38:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ICQ - IPFW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:41:37 -0000 Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 08:53:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7361065673 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D6A8FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so151209fga.12 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:52:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=sXe8uxMJc/UXFcmudBUZC0LHOfnOMKA9UhJJ0HTvibc=; b=jS029N6FyP41UR+vsQr5oEqcPunyQQh3g/Uvikqj9bPS6NZgMsmGi5KKYmDf57SS+j l2el6lvDFVH85kXzuvxtwi1uyBHFqJR5U3HCp3fPFdB9wpQ1XXlgoGoScq7ifKxqo3RT 7xeX3V7YMUIXC1Tf0Nfm6tnQSYn6PNQyYAzhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=RgTDcsMLORhyyoYt+VRoIDqR7wcxOXfdgqyTpOGyidlSXmBO/qMpSvYFjqBbob0LcV HAp1IuXW4DciHl9Pbyu8ZURNNGQVe05jvTmHVHGH6a+7CXtLelJgS3MKE0kuhgYETddz x1fTUkGrmSZGDs2RQhr0Wtu1mqI9rdINVME8k= Received: by 10.86.1.18 with SMTP id 18mr3669358fga.19.1244191978614; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.153.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm1762379fgb.7.2009.06.05.01.52.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:52:51 +0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:52:51 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Kirk Strauser Message-ID: <20090605085251.GA37781@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Kirk Strauser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named ignoring forward-only zones? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:04 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:53:38AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding > queries. A snippet of named.conf: > > acl clients { > localnets; > localhost; > ::1; > 10.45.12/19; > }; > > view "internal" { > match-clients { clients; }; > zone "5.0.10.in-addr.arpa" { > type forward; > forward only; > forwarders { 10.0.5.16; }; > }; > }; > > > Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer: > > $ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16 > 16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR kanga.honeypot.net. > > But I can't get the same from named: > > $ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 > > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 10.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA 10.in-addr.arpa. > nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800 > > So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder? I'm > 99.9% certain this has been working recently. Hi, Kirk. I had the similar issue with forward type zones yesterday. Though I'm not quite sure, but it started to work after I put 127.0.0.1 to /etc/resolv.conf on our bind server. My named.conf entries look like this: ... zone "need2.frwd.zone" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; }; }; zone "10.in-addr.arpa" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; }; }; ... -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 09:23:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715E1106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD1E8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEANWAKErUnw6U/2dsb2JhbAC/MwePYYQLBQ Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net ([212.159.14.148]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2009 10:23:22 +0100 Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MCWah-0001aY-C9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:24:03 +0100 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCVdx-000CNe-Ta for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:23:22 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:23:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906051023.21751.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Plusnet-Relay: 1973a79ca06110f508f6d818009b02bf Subject: Portupgrade very slow upgrading gtk-sharp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:23:24 -0000 I started portupgrade -a at midnight last night. It started to upgrade gtk-sharp-1.0.10 from _14 to _15 at 00:58 and is still running more than 9 hours later and clocking up 80% to 90% CPU on both cores of my 2.5GHz Athlon. curlew:/root# top 2 last pid: 47507; load averages: 2.00, 2.05, 2.05 up 0+12:10:27 10:11:08 112 processes: 3 running, 109 sleeping CPU: 0.4% user, 7.1% nice, 91.9% system, 0.6% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 405M Active, 1216M Inact, 215M Wired, 76M Cache, 112M Buf, 23M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 2048M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 35617 root 1 130 2 1336K 820K CPU1 1 548:15 96.88% script 41994 root 3 20 2 15304K 7364K kserel 0 548:29 96.58% mono curlew:/root# date Fri Jun 5 10:14:52 BST 2009 curlew:/root# ps -axuwlc | egrep '(35617|41994)' root 35617 97.4 0.0 1336 820 ?? RN 12:58AM 551:14.08 script 0 89297 561 133 2 - root 35619 0.0 0.1 1288 1180 p0 INs+ 12:58AM 0:00.16 make 0 35617 326 8 2 wait root 41994 0.0 0.4 15304 7348 p0 SN+ 12:58AM 551:28.60 mono 0 41993 561 20 2 kserel Should mono be grabbing so much CPU? It only took 8 hours to build OpenOffice earlier in the week! -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 10:10:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC345106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1007B8FC14 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55AAVQJ004420; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55AATFI004417; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roy Stuivenberg In-Reply-To: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Message-ID: References: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ICQ - IPFW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:10:42 -0000 > The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. > Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. > Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port > 4000 udp. dangerous because of? are you running any insecure service on port 4000 udp? Of course ICQ may be dangerous by itself (i don't know), but as you decided to use it then it's not in question. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 10:15:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA69106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychesnet@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E408FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psychesnet@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so799256qwe.7 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:15:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u7yV0+PDUoQi2QIYRF9rlD97z1ikp3au106at7yH1A4=; b=q5aoc26g+dsFxq12UEeysgWiOihihDpgj/DkGCZdiwerHYVQGw/vVKCKFrroYLozDq 6OT98PcWhJJWgjMD+5ul3kS5yf5xB2A27rK80NNoj+pgHX4K0hn6RmfFft3ZBVYvwMQ/ db8DgV98WolPXwLgQdhYKPlvXGJoEO98Y/cOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PT+FQW294rC/xcjQEqWM+m33ykeG2DsXBY94+HIHNfOYUrkwe8HFXgocQArF1djwAI aPkKUqiV9LyYFO2XT3araV5kCzhgKe0RbOK9x1PQ1QduGi3nzRP17Ao74K4jb/jq9nKu n8jRplyMnusFlGe2XvkDlGfmLiZA53+o1nFXE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.109.202 with SMTP id k10mr831100qcp.58.1244195053234; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:44:13 +0800 Message-ID: <18abc6450906050244u601deafx566c54351bbdd864@mail.gmail.com> From: Eric Hsieh To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: it is about installing FreeBSD on USB stick X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: psychesnet@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:15:29 -0000 hello, this is my first time to ask a help from FreeBSD. I have a question about installing FreeBSD on USB stick. There are so many informations about how to install FreeBSD on USB stick from Internet, but I can not find out any information about follow : first, if i install FreeBSD on USB stick. Could I operate it on any computer. if not, how to reach this issue ? second, if i install FreesBIE on USB stick, i know i can operate it on any computer. but i don't know how to store my setting and installed software on USB stick directly instead of copy my setting to another store device. thanks, good luck for you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 05:47:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E2C106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4478FC18 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n555lwhV059068; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:46:49 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090605054649.GA5799@thought.org> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:26:10 +0000 Cc: Jerry McAllister , Wojciech Puchar , Robert Huff , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:47:03 -0000 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > > form. > > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. > Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc > and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. > my take of the idea of man pages is simple: they serve as a concise summary of a program you already know. maybe you've forgotten a 'w' flag or switch. otherwise, a number of examples are worth ten thousand words. ----the gotcha is that examples take a lot of skill... . and, yes, the better programs with man pages do have examples! .... gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 11:30:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19061065675 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from i.tanusheff@procreditbank.bg) Received: from mail.procreditbank.bg (mail.procreditbank.bg [193.26.216.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 113BC8FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from i.tanusheff@procreditbank.bg) Received: (qmail 30204 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 14:30:12 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO domino.procreditbank.bg) (10.0.0.15) by 192.168.1.3 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 14:30:12 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> To: Roy Stuivenberg MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.3 September 26, 2007 From: Ivailo Tanusheff Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:30:11 +0300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DOMINO/BULGARIA/PROCREDITBANK(Release 7.0.2FP2|May 14, 2007) at 05.06.2009 14:30:12, Serialize complete at 05.06.2009 14:30:12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ICQ - IPFW X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:30:15 -0000 Hi, Generally you have 2 options: 1. To use ICQ over HTTPS connection, which means you should use Proxy server or permit https traffic out of your firewall/nat. 2. To use it directly. As you may use dynamic NAT, i.e. there will be not possible to have incomming connection on port 4000 and it will not harm your network. Regards, Ivailo Tanusheff Deputy Head of IT Department ProCredit Bank (Bulgaria) AD Roy Stuivenberg Sent by: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 05.06.2009 11:42 To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc Subject ICQ - IPFW Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 12:57:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D9D106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FFC8FC18 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so358563bwz.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:57:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=zsIxNLLLQSU9P9/QHvbtokS9xTusg2dra0hGTjksCsQ=; b=JXB66VP4V48Ua3NWmlxy7HYGRGA+8xbq2C7etQcWL/qATtwhKbJrypY1ar4ywZWpNo ZKw/RwrV/+V+yRtJlHf6va6jcZCpjPGYPZ4zTJQdM15/BeRsMAyPyPO4GuNGL3d60J9a htVybP6yiLtPCza5Vz+QD1kkcwSBbndgC9s6k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=VRtTFteM5UCJrx3PUujDQH7ccMFmIbdy1PG2VxVfVGhEzwbLanS5/04uiTWBiavSUH 7BzTyRvRgLGZxzbraJPVvWsX84tJPE1PS3rmilAcFkUGkKs0hzJVbONdLk84K82liNmz xWy82+oOjOb+HLbMJX7I9MWf176P+50jiHRaw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.228.10 with SMTP id a10mr2166102muh.26.1244206661099; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Valentin Bud Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:57:21 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:57:43 -0000 Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:16:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B6B106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A478FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 439 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 13:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 13:16:07 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 175B62841F; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:16:07 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Valentin Bud Message-ID: <20090605131607.GB77412@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:16:09 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 03:57:21PM +0300, Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello community, > > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server > and Print Server using samba. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of > 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The > server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that > can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, > etc, Word Documents, etc). I think its gross overkill for that very light load. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:23:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3C3106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from cohiba.eagle.ca (cohiba.eagle.ca [208.70.104.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9226F8FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 31756 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jun 2009 13:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steveb@eagle.ca@208.70.104.100) by cohiba.eagle.ca with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2009 13:23:57 -0000 Message-ID: <4A291C7C.4040108@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:24:12 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: itsemu References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080303030102090907060502" Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:24:00 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080303030102090907060502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit itsemu wrote: > if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the > requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows.. Excuse me, unless you have ever worked at an ISP, might I kindly ask you to have some respect. (if you have, the call centre you likely worked for != ISP). > probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware > each different county they are supporting has in there headend because its > all different, reverse dns will probably be a waste of ip space because of > the way its assigned in classes and i seriously doubt they will do it via a > ticket if its not that way. named registration if im catching that right > godaddys probably going to be cheaper maybe im wrong who knows.. Nevermind. I should have read your entire post before I started to respond. It's clear that you have the experience and education behind you to make statements about the knowledge of ISP staff. 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Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8938FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:26:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4487322.home.otenet.gr [94.71.68.162]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n55DQre6010567; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:26:53 +0300 Message-ID: <4A291D1D.9030009@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:26:53 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valentin Bud References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:26:55 -0000 Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello community, > > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v > Got more than a few of similar systems, and have setup one very similar to this for a friend, primarily used as a Samba server: Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, (socket 478), 2GB RAM Two mirrors (1 Tb total capacity, 4X500Gb drives), using gmirror and gjournal Gigabit Ethernet He stores very large files (he is an avid photographer). Needless to say it works without problems and performance is very good. So, I'd say you can go ahead with your plan. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:42:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFFD106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from srv0010.pine.nl (srv0010.pine.nl [213.156.9.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C12B8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5B7581724 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:23:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pine.nl Received: from srv0010.pine.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv0010.pine.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2Jb0XXpSCYBf for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fileserver.pine.nl (a83-161-224-82.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.161.224.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22BB8580C89 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:23:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freelt.pine.nl (unknown [172.16.0.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fileserver.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4B8E130EA4 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:22:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:22:59 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Getting old versions of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:42:19 -0000 Hi, For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? Thanks, -- Frederique From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:43:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519CC1065694 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from cohiba.eagle.ca (cohiba.eagle.ca [208.70.104.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082BD8FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:43:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 37651 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jun 2009 13:43:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steveb@eagle.ca@208.70.104.100) by cohiba.eagle.ca with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2009 13:43:02 -0000 Message-ID: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Modulok References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040506070103090803050804" Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:43:04 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040506070103090803050804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Modulok wrote: > While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: > > - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable > modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. We've got nearly all of our DSL subs trained to reboot their CPE before they call us. If that solution weeds out 50% of support calls, then our staff can focus on bigger and better things. > Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support > people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for > their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on their servers etc. Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more knowledgeable for the next time one calls. Steve Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while (unfortunately). I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? 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owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:50:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93840106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645378FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3DDDEBC0A; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:50:38 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Steve Bertrand Message-Id: <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:50:40 -0000 In response to Steve Bertrand : [snip] > Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to > time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while > (unfortunately). > > I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch > and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if > your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? > > I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a > decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks _want_ to stay on the phone with me. The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't help much. When the both of us know that management or the higher level tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's _really_ frustrating. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:52:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E200910656B8 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D098FC32 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valentin.bud@gmail.com) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so395160bwz.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=+l/LphuG74kx/G2enzx5o54Flv2TjL7liJnArCKTJFw=; b=ZkXvF/C38x6ASDIOBBh0ONCJQAsQkHvHMn0m4RDM1uwjJaFAIs4VVjJ6OKMqotc0um oZHndp3krD5tIblBi2I4hAYZKJjgK64ussVTxk+JgqwHU77CATyazxo9nKgxHE/fQsqu bCDxfy2i5AGLQSqjopemdpJXTpE87rt5n0ZU8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=G8RW/Rdihv7/LgfiMFz3IgOBOBS9D1jsSuK+9Jhx4dAj7dfkrVDzvULN7qfsGLIv3O /5Q01EK0FxttN58SMIJ2rQCUljh/8cleuxbYrO1WsTUiywEPB4vAcByd3NUEsuV031ea 5u3aw2NjtUlgyJ+yzsb/LDDoRSVl+PHPKLmCQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.224.2 with SMTP id b2mr2216754mur.30.1244209953088; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:52:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> References: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> From: Valentin Bud Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:52:13 +0300 Message-ID: <139b44430906050652u58e7e955mbcdc096d182ae0b9@mail.gmail.com> To: Frederique Rijsdijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Getting old versions of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:52:35 -0000 On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > Hi, > > For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The > ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? > > > Thanks, > > -- Frederique > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Frederique, You have to track the errata branch of 4.7. That would be RELENG_4_7. Get the sources (i suppose they are on cvs) using csup(1) and rebuild world/kernel and you should get to p28. I don't know for sure if the sources for that specific errata branch are still there. Maybe others can shed some lights on this. Here you can find the errata 4.7-RELEASE errata: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.7R/errata.html. a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 13:59:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A111065752 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA7F8FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B414EBC0A; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:58:59 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Frederique Rijsdijk Message-Id: <20090605095859.98289dbc.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> References: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: Getting old versions of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:59:02 -0000 In response to Frederique Rijsdijk : > > For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The > ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? That code is still in the version control system, all you need to do is configure cvsup to fetch it and rebuild your system. Instructions: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html Use the RELENG_4_7, since p28 was the last patch on the 4.7 branch. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 14:03:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6CE10656AC for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from cohiba.eagle.ca (cohiba.eagle.ca [208.70.104.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF068FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: (qmail 44030 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jun 2009 14:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steveb@eagle.ca@208.70.104.100) by cohiba.eagle.ca with ESMTPA; 5 Jun 2009 14:03:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:03:22 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020209000100080001000806" Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:03:09 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020209000100080001000806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Steve Bertrand : > > [snip] > >> Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to >> time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while >> (unfortunately). >> >> I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch >> and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if >> your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? >> >> I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a >> decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. > > I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago > I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a > daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time > I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll > get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks > _want_ to stay on the phone with me. You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the troubleshooting process. We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). Being small, we also expect users to believe that when we tell them that they are having a problem at their end and they need to call someone in, that we actually know what we are talking about. It's the users who scream and bitch and claim "it hasn't worked for a month!", meanwhile their IE is displaying an illegal page fault that are really frustrating. > The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech > support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't > help much. No, but remaining polite after you _both_ realize this and come to terms with it will help you remain calm, and help the tech person be able to deal with the next available irate client a little better. > When the both of us know that management or the higher level > tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be > covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's > _really_ frustrating. Yes, I agree. I've been in that position previously during times where I wasn't connected to my own ISP. I must say, that my experience working in an ISP environment has completely changed my attitude when it comes to me having to call a different ISP on behalf of someone else (mind you, if required, I can usually find someone there that has a clue). 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Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:13:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from webmail.cs.okstate.edu (webmail.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1B78FC1C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lreid@cs.okstate.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a.cs.okstate.edu [139.78.140.79]) by webmail.cs.okstate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9C18E83C4; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:12:53 -0500 From: Reid Linnemann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070926) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Bertrand References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:13:46 -0000 Written by Steve Bertrand on 06/05/09 08:43>> >> Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support >> people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for >> their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had > a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, > angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable > why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving > door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. > I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling could be heard over the same phone line they were using to dial in with. I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. He just wanted someone to be mad at, and I was it. > I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that > about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. > > Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support > people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of > their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on > their servers etc. > This is very true. When the ISP I worked at was smaller and had a support staff of around 10 people, and the network engineers where in the next room, everyone knew what servers ran what services, what type of machines they were, what versions of what operating systems were one them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. > Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every > once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them > that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find > the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more > knowledgeable for the next time one calls. > IMO, I think it's more laudable to take a minute to calm down when you have an issue, take a deep breath, consider the position of the guy/girl on the other end, and then make your tech support call with the intention of making it productive for the poor dude/lady who is likely getting bitched at not only from other users, but from his/her own management as well for having an average call time over 5 minutes or for taking a 16 minute break when only 15 minutes are allowed. Recognize that every time that rep's phone rings, he/she feels a wave of horror and anxiety for what might be on the other end - some problem they can't solve, and irate user, a fed up user calling to cancel (but management won't allow them to comply without trying to dissuade the user or put them through a lengthy exit poll), or maybe the first call to mark the beginning of an outage, sure to be followed by nothing but irate callers for the next several hours. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 14:24:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3651065679 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3F68FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2809F22631 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:24:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6qXNJow23Sgl for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A28A622629 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:24:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:24:29 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: > Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon > said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The > info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to > tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info doc trivially easy. I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is horrid and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs as a whole. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 14:28:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B8E10656A7 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175D98FC2E for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CAD226B8 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:28:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u9taQJLMgP4J for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7245B226AF for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:28:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:28:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906050928.11184.kirk@strauser.com> Subject: D'oh! was Re: Named ignoring forward-only zones? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:28:17 -0000 On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:53:38 am Kirk Strauser wrote: > For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding > queries. Commenting out // zone "10.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; from named.conf fixed the problem. That's kind of... embarrassing. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 15:12:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E3E106564A; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@flierdevelopers.com) Received: from mxvip7.hichina.com (mxvip7.hichina.com [218.106.248.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EB18FC08; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@flierdevelopers.com) Received: from 119.137.83.174 (HELO lenovox61) (envelope-from bill@flierdevelopers.com) by mxvip7.hichina.com (quarkmail-1.2.1) with ESMTP id S4193011AbZFEOpZ for questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:45:25 +0800 Thread-Topic: offer laptop accessory Code:241 thread-index: Acnl7EBDFlGzJ35RR1GkEaE+mfoh3A== From: "Bill luo" Sender: "Bill luo" To: , Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:45:21 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Windows 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: offer laptop accessory Code:241 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bill@flierdevelopers.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:12:12 -0000 To: Purchase Dept I am very happy to know you from website http://www.freebsd.org that you are doing business of laptop parts. This is Bill from HongKong Flier Developers Co.,Limited, a reputed supplier of laptop battery. Besides replacement laptop battery, we also have a wide and stable source for original/genuine parts like memories, laptop batteries, laptop adapters, laptop keyboards, etc. I would like to provide detailed pricelist if you request, and hope that we have chance to do lots of business in the future. We apologize for any inconviences if you are not interested in the offer! Thank you! Have a nice day! Bill Luo (Sales Supervisor) HongKong Flier Developers Co.,Limited Tel: +86-755-2828 4807 Fax: +86-755-8957 8417 www.flierdevelopers.com bill@flierdevelopers.com billflier@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 15:25:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2A8106564A; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FA98FC19; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n55FPABg034006; Sat, 6 Jun 2009 01:25:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 01:25:09 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Ghirai In-Reply-To: <20090603190455.811E01065687@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090605233731.W38006@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20090603190455.811E01065687@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: phidgets for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:25:14 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0300 Ghirai wrote: > Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets > (http://www.phidgets.com? > > Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, > some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info > (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=507). > > Any ideas? No, but colour me interested too. Thanks for the pointer. Copying this to Brooks, who started that thread in 2005 with a patch for phidgets 2.0, which left me wondering if anything has become of that in the 2.1 linux sources, which I'm just grabbing. I'm generally interested in whether linux applications using libusb are more likely than not to work on FreeBSD, operational differences between libusb on FreeBSD and linux, and whether our new USB stack has changed anything in that equation at all? Also wondering if http://www.totalphase.com/products/aardvark_i2cspi/ linux software might be expected to work 'well enough' on FreeBSD 7? > Thanks. > -- > Ghirai. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 15:25:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9621065679 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA18D8FC14 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n55FNk4g073888 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:23:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <73886.1244215426.1@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:23:46 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:25:42 -0000 Michael Powell writes: > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: > > Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source "instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip". It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 15:31:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E57310656C5 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:31:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D618FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n55FTmd8015148; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:30:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 61CBE58BE5; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5535558BDE; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EECD@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus thread-index: Acnl8iS7bMmBY2llSmeuaCsUR62nRAAACbyQ References: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Martin McCormick" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2009 15:29:48.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[75F64550:01C9E5F2] Cc: Subject: RE: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:31:59 -0000 Can you record your horse-shoe tying prowess and post on uTub3? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:24 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus=20 Michael Powell writes: > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: >=20 > Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source=20 "instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip".=20=20 It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK=20 Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 15:34:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9531106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@netmusician.org) Received: from mail.netmusician.org (dorian.netmusician.org [66.244.95.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22058FC20 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:34:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@netmusician.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4735CD7 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:17:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netmusician.org Received: from mail.netmusician.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorian.netmusician.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id OUtXb8Sb04CF for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from besson3c.local (c-98-223-155-31.hsd1.in.comcast.net [98.223.155.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.netmusician.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6FFB5CD5 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A293723.9000804@netmusician.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:17:55 -0400 From: Joe Auty User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b12 (Macintosh/2009051120) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: GCC/GCJ and pdftk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:34:49 -0000 Hello, I'm a little confused. I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: > # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms > NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: > ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found > ===> Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 > ===> Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 > Error: shared library "gcj" does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: > # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name "gcj" > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! -- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org joe@netmusician.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:17:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C1E1065677 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44728FC21 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55GGquP084078; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55GGoJY084075; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Valentin Bud In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:17:03 -0000 > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. this is not old - very powerfull machine. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. what a problem? much more than needed. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:24:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DAC106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8713E8FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55GNwZP084117; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:23:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55GNvHK084114; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:23:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:23:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:24:07 -0000 > > Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of > the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, > so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. i don't remember now what brand of modem i have (i'm not in place) from Polish Telecom but it never hung for over 1.5 year! >> people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for >> their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had > a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, > angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable > why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving > door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I think there are people doing this that can work for years. just a matter of personal character, they could completely don't care :) > > I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that > about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. i bet 95% > I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch > and snivel and have no respect. I don't agree. 90% of my people i have to respond (my clients) are not like that. They ask politely, but the problem is that they ask me to do things that is not my job, because "internet doesn't work". There are no connection problems, but as usual windoze doesn't work properly. I have to explain every time that they have to call some kind of computer/windoze service and pay to have things repaired. Some still insist that it's our fault, they we have to go to them, run some DVD-bootable linux distro with web browser and show that all is fine :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:27:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6072C106570E for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8378FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55GRevd084138; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:27:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55GRcto084135; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:27:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:27:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Steve Bertrand In-Reply-To: <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , Modulok , Bill Moran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:27:47 -0000 > You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will > admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a > calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say > (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the > troubleshooting process. To be honest i just don't know windows much so i can't help much. > We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers > or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). And that's right. Same if WE have/had problems we simply tell clients the truth. > It's the users who scream and bitch and claim "it hasn't worked for a > month!", Simply answer "why didn't you call month ago? As you called now, i count this as problem started today". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:30:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B858106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E128FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55GUJM2084152; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55GUIXk084149; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:30:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Reid Linnemann In-Reply-To: <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mark Hartkemeyer , Modulok , Steve Bertrand , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:30:28 -0000 > I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started > school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were > frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or > ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling Just put the earphone on table and wait until the noise ends :) > I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't > help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. Simply because it's not your job. > them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a > larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments > separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. And that's why in any normal system big companies will loose to small ones. Small company will ALWAYS be better managed, and run cheaper. But we don't live in normal system. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:49:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F4B106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@e-e.com) Received: from mail.experts-exchange.com (mail.experts-exchange.com [64.156.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30118FC1F for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhelfman@e-e.com) Received: from eggman.experts-exchange.com (unknown [72.29.180.81]) by mail.experts-exchange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBEF4A4A7D1; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eggman.experts-exchange.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:49:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:49:01 -0700 From: Jason Helfman To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20090605164900.GC1040@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC X-Living-The-Dream: I love the SLO Life! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:49:05 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:33:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias thus spake: >Jason wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, >> running >> it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've >> learned >> quiet a bit recently. >> >> I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the >> following >> error. >> >> 1 module(s): openssl >> need(s) to be rebuilt >> >> Reason(s): >> >> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making >> /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl >> >> Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue >> your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. >> >> At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make >> command, but >> after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included >> icu and ssl issues. >> >> All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to >> them. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason > >Which version of FreeBSD are you using? 7.1 >I am getting the above error trying to compile openoffice 3 on >8.0-CURRENT tinderbox (and I tried several times, updating to the latest >current). >It compiles normally on 7.2-RELEASE (haven't tested on stable). After updating my ports tree, I was albe to do a successful build. Thanks very much. -jgh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:51:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5DC106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A028FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1227703fxm.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Roypc0LuA2L/m3AqJ5Ziq+ppUTYYiiUN85qy/OuYHMQ=; b=pokM/N1CPdu3/lfmG0T9i8NLhQcg1FaZgZai/R2OScDvvN/2h1ZolArRXG/Lu9Iva3 x5yT2/rg/K1HTHaDvlmBLb0VoPbxt5C2G30ZN30ktGE4iAa2/lwTeExsWmn63N1JoW/c 8RPXkNXd0jslbebVrgxVe6kGnB00oryj2/3bY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f77asrUiYFUHu1K8YwPqYnhQU//NxQk/Q2fuOYCbvhavLIDieFhWgmPeMDT8hLwwXy 7Wnhtzt8ghsCvH4Sr5eyhu1clyMVbG5eT0xz9bgAmnr9SS25gFdsWBIUUAoqCNcFWo6p Gpl37hJSqBMPpmuFDGOHYdAZ2AhZTzdo2tVqc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.8 with SMTP id z8mr3382080bkh.55.1244220678346; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:50:58 +0100 Message-ID: To: Kirk Strauser , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:51:20 -0000 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : > On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: > >> Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon >> said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The >> info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to >> tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. > > In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info do= c > trivially easy. =A0I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is h= orrid > and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs= as a > whole. > -- > Kirk Strauser Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:54:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51161065673 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57978FC18 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so516746bwz.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:54:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BBaYQObqj04QMWvSlW8YihP4ljaezoul4IM38MvJnG4=; b=Ztd2YQ/Ec0PY/HUpAWHAkojA2RI2NIOc4StWnh08fBjF3Ax/3DM1gZ021mPGKEQOZP pgqI0vtDXXYHLF9mxNEzVKJam7y2zcDeFUShn3o5WsAUe1yVbcvcDu1dFxSFgckY/1ZA BJSK93V/Sgoqx2q8Ei2euE7OElfbuPCS/7tK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kuD0HpA4zL9eHmq7huY4mbatfLBvEPPh6K/wNNr5weNc8jrEcksnThyWs6dS+bjKjv SQbeBnZbDmhGH2yj2/8QyIAQpLNcq1/b3RaDK/x0n5pJi6IgezUSnfkiLMV2I7cNeYW6 hV1Hd6lce5Jf6IxATLz20aEi6zSUf31hnhm0g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.70 with SMTP id x6mr3339723bkn.140.1244220879142; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:54:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:54:19 +0100 Message-ID: To: Valentin Bud Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:54:43 -0000 2009/6/5 Valentin Bud : > Hello community, > > =A0I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > =A0I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. > > =A0What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1T= B in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > =A0So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The s= erver > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v > -- > network warrior since 2005 Wow! You have a powerhouse. I'm using this: http://www.bayofrum.net/phpsysinfo for *everything*; web server, mail server, file server, the odd bittorrent (usually for ubuntu, I don't touch warez :P), and even run a Left 4 Dead server on it from time to time... Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:54:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C0A1065673 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8D88FC12 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:54:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MCcgl-0005eu-0Z; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:54:48 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CD22F7C507; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A294DD5.7050900@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:54:45 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Auty References: <4A293723.9000804@netmusician.org> In-Reply-To: <4A293723.9000804@netmusician.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GCC/GCJ and pdftk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:54:49 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Auty wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a little confused. > > I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk > Makefile the following: > >> # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms >> NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 > > However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in > GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented > out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and > commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: > >> ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found >> ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found >> ===> Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 >> ===> Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 >> Error: shared library "gcj" does not exist > > gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: > >> # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name "gcj" >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj > > > Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular > project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... > > Thanks very much in advance! > > > > Hi Joe, I'm the pdftk port maintainer, and I've got an amd64 build machine here. Let me have a crack at it and see what I can figure out. If you run into any other insights in the mean time, please let me know. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKKU3V0sRouByUApARApMmAJ97ErsMvbtI/O6ipY34nFAN2hyKvgCgo0dI Kx6qnJdo45CmTBTY7146UAU= =LMI7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:57:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEE7106568E for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472D8FC25 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (ppp-71-139-35-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [71.139.35.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n55GvFSd061546 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:57:14 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:57:16 -0000 How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:01:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980BA1065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (brightstar.bomgardner.net [209.240.79.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320CC8FC30 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@brightstar.bomgardner.net) Received: from brightstar.bomgardner.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brightstar.bomgardner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E17119CE7 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:01:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gene" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:01:45 -0500 Message-Id: <20090605165231.M1533@brightstar.bomgardner.net> In-Reply-To: <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 192.168.0.6 (fbsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:01:45 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:42 +0000, Paul B. Mahol wrote > On 6/4/09, Gene wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no > > encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always > > wind up with > > > > Status: No Carrier > > > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > _____________________- > > > > >From /etc/rc.conf: > > > > ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" > > > > >From wpa_supplicant.conf > > > > network={ > > ssid="northstar" > > psk="Passphrase here" > > } > > > > >From /var/log/messages > > > > ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff > > irq > > 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 > > ndis0: [ITHREAD] > > ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 > > NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list > > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list > > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > > > ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > > ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > > > And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: > > > > genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan > > > > SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS > > northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS > > > > And finally from ifconfig ndis0: > > > > genesis# ifconfig ndiso > > > > ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect > > status: no carrier > > ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) > > authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL > > bintval 0 > > > > ________________________ > > > > IHN, > > Gene > > > > -- > > To everything there is a season, > > And a time to every purpose under heaven. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Look in output from wpa_supplicant using -d switch > for information about possible misconfiguration. > > # wpa_supplicant -d -Dndis -iwlan0 -cMY_CONF.FILE > > -- > Paul Paul - thanks for the response. Did the above - the output shows that wlan could not be found. It's loaded according to kldstat so I'm not sure what's going on. Should there be an entry for wlan in rc.conf? Output from wpa_supplicant is below. Yhanks! ________________ genesis# wpa_supplicant -dd -Dndis -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Initializing interface 'wlan0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'ndis' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' -> '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Line: 1 - start of a new network block ssid - hexdump_ascii(len=9): 6e 6f 72 74 68 73 74 61 72 northstar PSK (ASCII passphrase) - hexdump_ascii(len=15): [REMOVED] PSK (from passphrase) - hexdump(len=32): [REMOVED] Priority group 0 id=0 ssid='northstar' Initializing interface (2) 'wlan0' EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0 EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0 NDIS: Packet.dll version: FreeBSD WinPcap compatibility shim v1.0 NDIS: 1 adapter names found NDIS: 1 adapter descriptions found NDIS: 0 - ndis0 - ndis0 NDIS: Could not find interface 'wlan0' Failed to initialize driver interface Failed to add interface wlan0 Cancelling scan request Cancelling authentication timeout genesis# IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:08:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A54106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [IPv6:2001:470:a80a:1:21f:d0ff:fe22:b8a8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D518FC20 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0424722576; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w9rvFUlyyNJ7; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from athena.localnet (athena.daycos.com [IPv6:2001:470:c054:1:221:9bff:fe00:de3f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5D832256C; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Kirk Strauser To: utisoft@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.28-11-generic; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:08:49 -0000 On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: > Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? Not that I know of. :-/ > I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of > the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Ouch. You had to go there, didn't you? -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:12:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9922C1065673 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:12:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACB98FC3F for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1239596fxm.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/e0CkNXOB3agWnXuFM7qjM5V7hILqR22Pm+Cq74t1wE=; b=mwu7qZLnMFH1lMgFVxBrNxWlH/5EDriMPca8KzjUmBf/oV1OjAl49COdwkT4C2Fspo 6kDr0UaBQk6tSzAbJvOAYdr7Tb23oOpy9V9DqGM+hrhynEAdt8wnuddQ/mlwWuTXQxhi rmvNq3EYsbFyCWSfskk6jI1gAupjVnMpL/VVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IZYER6uKoiVn/qOhObdh73MxywmYcVQl70B0PWl6v2cFiMMQgCeqWOJYRSyJFyFRd/ 99s2SbDBmHE0fcEWdCRa5Hhdz9g56nrBeyXm0+L75C91uopOtJOfeyYdwSVJNyRwwwdX oyA4IkEsCw5ZeZBT2w5V//gCM2qisUaBuNOSY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.51.210 with SMTP id e18mr3371958bkg.38.1244221928139; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> References: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:12:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750906051012u73178f76wfe4ee3726414c1a2@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: yuri@rawbw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:12:09 -0000 On 6/5/09, Yuri wrote: > How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2009-May/006912.html or pstree from ports. -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:36:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344CB1065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92DF8FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:36:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 21566 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 17:36:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 17:36:41 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 2B5C82841F; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:36:41 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090605173641.GB16153@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions , Valentin Bud Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:36:43 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > >mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > > >So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server > > 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit I have a P-II at 400 MHz running as a file server. See about 5 MB/sec on most file transfers. Has one of the original 15GB IBM Deskstar drives, and a much slower 6 GB WD drive. Both on ATA16 interfaces. I suspect network speed will determine the limits. A modern SATA drive should be sequentially read or write at at least 80 MB/sec. while a 100M bit/sec ethernet will be limited to 11 MB/sec. Latency of disk drive and network are usually the limiting factors, not server CPU. With gigabit ethernet one could reasonably expect to see 25MB/sec file rates. Depends a lot as to how big the file, the bigger the faster. Used smartctl just now to check, the Deskstar drive has 50331 hours of run time, 5.7 years. Has only been power cycled 72 times. Run time seems low as I have almost never turned this drive off since 2000. The WD drive claims to have 1418293 hours of uptime. Know that is not right. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:42:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27295106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-107.bluehost.com [69.89.22.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E62B38FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 2667 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 17:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 17:42:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=lV48r+ip9t7ZnevqyeuaEgLz2J2v2GSBqehQkje3/Y/UnESWCMIYcGFxvOsRM24OGd+/ylj29+ily16GfQjmYDzFbEEK45u3gevd403MeJN2Kli5cllT2mc2P71rgYdC; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdQs-00028T-2y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:42:27 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:36:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:36:58 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605173658.GA87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:42:28 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:59:55PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > >YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > >and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > >software as much as possible. >=20 > I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being firs= t=20 > two. >=20 > The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to= =20 > others but you do get a source. >=20 > It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it'= s=20 > not common. That's not really any different from closed source software in the end, because there's no guarantee that the officially "blessed" binary wasn't compiled from code modified to do things that the source provided to you doesn't do. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: ". . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days." --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopV7oACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVAZgCg3zrqQ4J4FPx2jMG3c+X/2HMG GGQAoNT/4BEnRL4HnSHM0Z9JSxYGbvER =0v9H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:45:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B408106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-14.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-14.bluehost.com [69.89.18.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 673728FC12 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 22541 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 17:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 17:45:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=fmzcP6UscqoEq+kpfhkebzL13WceAIPrs+kWCT1L3h0hAoubjILV6zVSUsB80EaiMdoYID+Q7vnUH2pyVMN1izqPUMV1MGcN1rKwmOxJqJMsDCPywmRBB17jOilU/jt/; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdUC-0005Hh-Pz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:45:49 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:40:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:40:25 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605174025.GB87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:45:49 -0000 --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:49:14AM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >=20 > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close > > to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed > > to do. > >=20 > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for= =20 > > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. >=20 > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-ch= ange-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars It's worth noting that this was discovered relatively quickly and became public knowledge. If it was closed source software, there's basically just be complaints about incompatibility and speculation without hard evidence. Yes, such perfidy *can* occur even in open source software, but it's easier to discover and, I believe, less likely to occur because of that ease of discovery. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopWIkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVqTACgxE2Utnjhz3E0jbs2tvaJfNy9 7CAAoOKWugFiPHMtO/f1uFX8i7Xexg3/ =NLlw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7ZAtKRhVyVSsbBD2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 17:51:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B361B106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-127.bluehost.com [67.222.38.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E33C8FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 29900 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 17:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 17:51:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NClYCuQ3m4MKoAN4TTDlEgvTVvzgPiOChHqQRaXPCn9QWWNYuiXp+lIpmGG+pLpLGRVf6mprRmZcKIU4qni1V8BYcTo80wnXyROOvJcphc6p8M8JmbloPv+Apn9pMsuH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdZw-0002HC-Lr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:51:45 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:46:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:46:21 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:51:46 -0000 --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well= =20 > here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. I tend to agree with this take on things, and I follow a similar philosophy of software choice. Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? >=20 > Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. > links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. > But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Scott McNealy: "Microsoft is now talking about the digital nervous system. I guess I would be nervous if my system was built on their technology too." --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopWe0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXkjACfTW4jGEC7p0FzTCHzXq3Feuy1 QVgAn1BVergrFwApu5fMb7xv79lJNsyV =G5lm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z4+8/lEcDcG5Ke9S-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:01:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8396106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C40A8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (ppp-71-139-35-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [71.139.35.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n55I1VYK092908 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A295D7A.9090104@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:01:30 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090419) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Are there any fonts I can install to see Mandarin words in the console (non-X)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:01:33 -0000 In KDE4 Mandarin is displayed correctly everywhere. But in console there are question marks. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:07:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C16106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118A8FC0C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n55I7thX008505 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:07:55 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n55I7tAp008504; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:07:55 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id DF1B1BED2; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:07:30 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> (message from Steve Bertrand on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:07:57 -0000 >> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400, >> Steve Bertrand said: S> If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone S> who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might S> be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an S> employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few S> months. I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: "If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a program to kill me." -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Oh anchor bimbo, The gleam from your whitened teeth Gives me a migraine. --snotty media haiku From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:09:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2ED10656C2 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:09:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3237C8FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:09:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1271651fxm.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:09:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=azUpif0Q5B0sNlvfJd2xbdqC4+YEwAeCoIJap9V1N2g=; b=tvg4jgQg/T4CaR0CsZEJgA6dFBigk9XAWtioA7Kr0WpuTTOX5++H8x0QmfCIMgFPlM SJYjI/56XXKcs23R519MFVIX5bvX3vpEd/a1aPi3allPg5bWc9dwmiTA5FAy1yuRbOeK 1wExiMx9F6VS2a5WjuGC0xPc5ddFkt7716Pig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PXmvZHrEuQ7QfR8RTei7k1yKm078WYt+vSi+brGNpvDewV5hcJmLYQ02xEZazd2h+F Ny9K4mq3/FKOGWzbn2lx9tBROQM4SVkNT0g39KHThOJUJPNQwrdUEbKyXOUQiQ5C41W/ w7HtrPfVZ9/OpDOMx+Yht0Mc5Bpy99a5xY9Kk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.65.65 with SMTP id h1mr3473931bki.18.1244225361185; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:09:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3a142e750906051109p3faf486dt754eecbd2bb8e928@mail.gmail.com> From: "Paul B. Mahol" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:09:23 -0000 On 6/5/09, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well >> here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. > > I tend to agree with this take on things, and I follow a similar > philosophy of software choice. > > Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager > do you use? > > >> >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a > page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based > browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as > though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is > specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. I use mouse with elinks & vim in console without problems. -- Paul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:10:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8897C1065686 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-14.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-14.bluehost.com [69.89.18.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54F5B8FC20 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 24163 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 18:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 18:10:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OY1LFhft2uw6xpyA1e0X7Nn+HvNse/3Jnf+STbC9bQ0ZDk/5GMKusf3wk4ZgKa0MYQIMqbtBgMrat5brhhPhMDC95xRPejYj6WbMw1opto5mAYw+uSoG/EOIvI9CyEPD; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdsB-0001aa-OT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:10:36 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:05:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:05:12 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605180512.GD87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T7mxYSe680VjQnyC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:10:37 -0000 --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:32:38PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find=20 > them and use them. >=20 > With closed source both are more difficult. That's not strictly true. In general, it's easier to discover vulnerabilities through reverse engineering techniques, fuzzing, et cetera, than by sifting through source code. The exceptions are cases where someone made a *really* bone-headed coding error. As a result, except when a programmer who adds code to the project is just completely incompetent (or has such an incompetent moment -- we all make mistakes), and it somehow passes review by other people on the development team (unlikely unless people aren't reviewing each others' code), it really isn't any easier to discover security vulnerabilities in open source software than in closed source software. The purely technical difference provided by open source software when it comes to vulnerability discovery and patching is that, once a vulnerability has been found, its origins in the source code can be tracked down and patched by *anyone*. In short, in technical terms, open source software makes it easier to *fix* vulnerabilities because it opens the pool of potential patch developers beyond the core team, but it doesn't really make it any easier to *discover* vulnerabilities in the general case. Then, of course, there are the social effects -- which encourage people who have a healthy interest in the software to contribute to its security and stability through a number of related social mechanisms. Overall, it's a tremendous win for open source software development. That doesn't mean that any given open source application will necessarily, inherently be more secure than any given closed source equivalent. It does, however, mean that if you're a betting man, your chances of winning a bet lie with the open source application, all else being equal. >=20 > >In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a > >corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, >=20 > So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. > They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance= =20 > and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. Part of the problem of closed source software is that it provides a kind of "safe haven" for such unscrupulous software developers and vendors, where many such failings of secure development may go unnoticed due to the inability to determine exactly what's going on under the hood once you've noticed there's something wrong with the application. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Common Reformulation of Greenspun's Tenth Rule: Any sufficiently complicated non-Lisp program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopXlgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV8BQCZASc8d8ZWRx/o1XZmYtUfhIdt huQAoOFzkBVq3T1rEwJO/5QoZzHn6y2h =UOVK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T7mxYSe680VjQnyC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:13:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C7F1065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-154.bluehost.com [67.222.39.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B16838FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 26083 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 18:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 18:13:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ctxoBFZvBXkK+SudI7qy0GvzummZSAZkGDbj/Fel21CvdCvg+rCKzmhiAgoCX/o+4HJjkCTmGuoGYZOJ6U01j6+1IYEmemwB4X7teuW2b5eHf9sMaPxHQV2tgyYbfodp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdv0-0004Bd-4d for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:13:30 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:08:06 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605180806.GE87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CGDBiGfvSTbxKZlW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:13:31 -0000 --CGDBiGfvSTbxKZlW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 06:50:39PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > reliable and secure. It's also a much *simpler* piece of software than something like MS Windows, which makes it much easier to secure. That's just one more thing Microsoft does wrong with software development, of course. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Dennis Miller: "Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie." --CGDBiGfvSTbxKZlW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopXwYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXgRACgzlxphrORX0qZHk8OSJehtUNs VsIAnjteoOhi7gItqzDKsTFtJDc5iClu =koKe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CGDBiGfvSTbxKZlW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:15:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294761065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201828FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55IF64H084498; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:15:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55IF6bV084495; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:15:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:15:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Karl Vogel In-Reply-To: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Message-ID: References: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:15:16 -0000 > S> months. > > I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an > article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned > my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: > > "If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a > program to kill me." just read polish article about whole US army having to switch to windows vista because someone decided so - no i fully understand you :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:15:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45985106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com [69.89.18.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 148DE8FC12 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 21659 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 18:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 18:15:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FWRfYe9nb2w5GhBszy1NZ5c6Xw6lzh3ile24fv5gAV6b5SvC97Moq3PkGVrZi2qeuefUlBnW3qq1ivyi/eaB9byDRJs5Zlh5jvMwhMR4g1kiBQia7B1JBBmKCCL4XDKE; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdx7-00069s-8A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:15:41 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:10:17 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605181017.GF87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:15:42 -0000 --FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: >=20 > Whatever happened to BeOS? Be went out of business. There have been a couple of clone projects to spring up since then. As mentioned, there's Haiku, the heir apparent to BeOS at this point. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.)" --FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopX4kACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVUVwCdH5W5AglqEKqOkwYYJAo4hXuV 8QEAoNKS/MpWRfD2SmJ9RwPPMwPePXLS =xob6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FeAIMMcddNRN4P4/-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:16:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CE3106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179238FC1A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55IGhOd084512; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:16:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55IGg0S084509; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:16:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:16:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <20090605173641.GB16153@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> <20090605173641.GB16153@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Valentin Bud Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:16:51 -0000 >> 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit > > I have a P-II at 400 MHz running as a file server. See about 5 MB/sec on it depends from both sides ability, but pentium 100 with SDRAM memory can saturate 100Mbit/s network running FreeBSD 6.2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:17:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7B4106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com [69.89.18.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B58F08FC2D for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 25618 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 18:17:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 18:17:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XRuncFPabG8zYnyWzkJ3/GOisFaATwF1XB9Stos8XJ/KwJ71hmkjKWeP79BiehH0uA1D+u0W6aY8UecaGbLkXa0N3m59Jp6S9h33cCyh2z3WDmEv+ugjJ8CNbhAVDGRi; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCdyT-0007Pc-Mm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:17:05 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:11:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:11:42 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:17:07 -0000 --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" = wrote: > >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? > > > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > > No idea of the state it is in. > > > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >=20 > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water." --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopX94ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUR6QCglv54JSf3yO/JQYCQcWzs9mx7 rHAAoPGt9h6Yx1632Em7IC6mbkz6dlTp =/+AJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fnm8lRGFTVS/3GuM-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:20:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E4B106567B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:20:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F5B8FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55IKOfw084549; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:20:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55IKOtm084546; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:20:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:20:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:20:41 -0000 > Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager > do you use? fvwm2, BUT not because i like it's tools and widgets, but because all of them can be easily turned off :) My configuration strips everything possible including window titles and borders, window moving and resizing are done with mouse+keyboard combinations, menu shows on keypress and i use it's "virtual desktop" function to switch between 24 of them using ALT-F* and CTRL-F*. ALT-X start xterm full screen so xterm "window" looks like text console, with the exception that i can run X program directly. I can post my config if you wish, it's <1700 bytes. >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text why? > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a moving works well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:22:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54501065771 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8898FC21 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55IMEfE084562; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55IMEcL084559; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090605180806.GE87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090605180806.GE87456@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:22:30 -0000 >> >> A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly >> reliable and secure. > > It's also a much *simpler* piece of software than something like MS > Windows, which makes it much easier to secure. you meant more logical? It's really hard to take care of software product that looks like random mess of different programs+patches without any higher idea - which micro-soft windows is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:23:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA9F10656BA for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464F58FC26 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55IMmWE084569; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55IMmX0084566; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:22:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:23:04 -0000 >>> >>> The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. > > Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by > that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't > entirely faded. > so use text mode links/elinks :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 18:33:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6801065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8248FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id n55IXTV4023153 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id n55IXSEK023152 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:33:28 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605183328.GC19113@saltmine.radix.net> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:33:30 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:46:21AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a > page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based > browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as > though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is > specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. lynx, (e)links(2) and w3m all support a mouse... -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 19:07:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9131065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-33.bluehost.com [69.89.18.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68BB18FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 30656 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2009 19:07:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 19:07:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=UD9R8iiNxOWdf+Np9ByrfIKopBsBHiXG7Cxbwad+fCSo86EnAPCmvdWTVkbE2sht5D6iBE5VB6uT65DcpU5Em44IQ34iRny2rZIpey8IFEx4MkO3vGCFUk0EKC0btcnS; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCel9-00039V-Op for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:07:24 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:02:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:02:00 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605190200.GH87456@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:07:24 -0000 --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:29:30AM -0700, Nerius Landys wrote: > Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you > are trying to do. For example if you want to start a job, long out of > the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's > running, you may choose to run screen. >=20 > > screen bash > (Press Control-A then d) > (Logout from shell) > (Log back in) > > screen -r =2E . . or use tmux instead of GNU Screen, if you like. I got the impression this question was about a script backgrounding itself, though -- possibly creating a daemon using bash. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkopa6gACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXhWgCeOzi1/qhBsHqPDobTixY4PtUw zHEAoOA69gRskIBJEfmdaZkP8KaFwEwH =dJy7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Hlh2aiwFLCZwGcpw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 19:39:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2892A106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BC28FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:39:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MCfGK-0004xJ-T8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:39:37 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net ([68.239.69.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:39:36 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:39:36 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:41:14 -0400 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:39:39 -0000 Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello community, > > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB > in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The > server > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v The short answer is yes - this will be fine for what you need. This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 19:49:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5704106566B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB458FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 19:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55Jn727084949; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:49:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55Jn7HI084946; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:49:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:49:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:49:17 -0000 > This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance > on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is for free :) it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware problem, but windows problem :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:13:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31231065672 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2148FC18 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4487322.home.otenet.gr [94.71.68.162]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n55KDkZh006933; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:13:47 +0300 Message-ID: <4A297C7A.8050809@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:13:46 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:13:49 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you >> performance >> on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. >> > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. > > Not really. But considering how everyone is buying Core Duos and quads these days, you can get decent P4s for free. Not that I complain about it ;) Got three of them running and have donated few more. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:19:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF3C106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f217.google.com (mail-bw0-f217.google.com [209.85.218.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDB38FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so625344bwz.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9BQ35iUXMXD7y/Ihdg2MUsTZ2Yt3MHXP2CKCYDiy1ME=; b=R504Zh5WAxsXx3I0ph7bDY+S7Dg1tAFZq9evCRFuIrVzCoXI0zsRwj4yaXCTJ27g5u IQ0FsyuIReILvzqEuh9nvIdRpO7gKqMUZypQVOmI1Nli/uNJN8wHkJ+CSSYCKroszkFo NnDMZcS8CbOc2SIfx9pHv68imrLFeDdvs5MdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mvHUEYWn1eFdfOI20m3wSsGe4gE42cS4QGZEY+3eRQQ3+Pn6gOUSrdexr5OduWpJk8 EgPGyAl34NQAKqN2Lorspon4Pe/vj1saB3jHMKCEz08W8QwEG7ftaRZm+VuYH6f+qOuE Qe1aYmR8DFMV94BASrxhirPcvzY8Tzn80roPc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr3496083bkh.149.1244233161898; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:19:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:17:17 +0100 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Open_Source X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:19:25 -0000 2009/6/5 Chad Perrin : > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : >> > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: >> >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? >> > >> > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ >> > No idea of the state it is in. >> > >> > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > That's horrifying. =A0Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. > > Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by > that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't > entirely faded. > Hehe, mine is the opposite if you're interested; http://www.bayofrum.net Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:23:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18BC1065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com (mail-fx0-f211.google.com [209.85.220.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBED8FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1341190fxm.43 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sJnzZBzDj+Ml0kqtsqYR4KEyhqrvLSlS/NGyXkxGZYM=; b=GyG4Ixx/LcBYI8kaFUZrOGgnXaC8habLkTSVl0/8ITpWgJ/iqiw7LfDRD4OccAN6L+ nWtz+c2s/d/fIYKlsNJQc1Uwv/I1NMUvLzZwVVENJ1OtL5PYyX4V6vB8SGzmRSje5grr cKTp9TyDp8B8+kQNguG3ZewG6djSh2naqYitY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FbraUGma2TPsYb/szpsIynsf25xjNDzuvNM9da0q04a8LEoj5WokuB6lUAJyGtH7Bc HjY0DqAkZWuYcu6pyWlEt5dlUpLyeTI6Yk6o3pdUuF50hsVvWxeM3W5egss5HDUpaZgU 6rM3aNmHlHBAe8uEcFxAIEgsrVh86/e+9S2wQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.121.194 with SMTP id i2mr3518264bkr.101.1244233406110; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:23:06 +0100 Message-ID: To: Kirk Strauser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:23:28 -0000 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : > On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: > >> Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs top= ic? > > Not that I know of. =A0:-/ > >> I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of >> the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? > > Ouch. =A0You had to go there, didn't you? I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities of commands. Traditional: % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:31:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A060106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC3E8FC19 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so709651wfg.7 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nTpwV/wAcWwo68CpSdcjuQNKIVb8uxk7E75tjmlg2Z0=; b=QXYNLUXYoQvRegu0on9eFMurhRT7wy/Ql2PUrU3eMxJLhAHVCD1hZOQ2i79eEEm2It Iq0u74JucUYPszL9vnuukJwSUPjva6KkLFMrd6jIxJcJBideAdPas+JmzmPl6PfhKNdv Kqto1uPGmRBn0sKixX+DKKQWC3HYG8Ce96CWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OX0cl/yISxghadKa49fJwSKsRq+aVBHp1N6PK2njNv7EfbUv+pRhqS7e5FJIcXYbJ6 Bire94k6pSOiNJOYGwQ1Y0+//8/TluLnRFY5p0pKvnduiAczObKYkyFfPfKZPO3f0wHl BMVGy+yGTv7lPqxbh9iQ4AaYHnQ4TZtUeWYDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.17.6 with SMTP id u6mr1314693wfi.336.1244233868382; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:31:09 -0000 On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 13:23, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : >> On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs to= pic? >> >> Not that I know of. =C2=A0:-/ >> >>> I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of >>> the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? >> >> Ouch. =C2=A0You had to go there, didn't you? > > I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their > preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities > of commands. > > Traditional: > > % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz > > GNU recommended: > > $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz > > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? At a guess? Probably because it allows more options for the command line, and more easily read options, too. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:31:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C5106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:31:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2E8FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id n55KVbV4016908 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id n55KVbu3016907 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:31:37 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090605203137.GB14599@saltmine.radix.net> References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:31:39 -0000 On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:23:06PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Some programs simply have a lot of options, and after a dozen or so, a single letter loses its mnemonic value. X applications have been using long options for 20 years - long enough to get used to the notion. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:32:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F02D1065670 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF56F8FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MCg5n-0006ob-PV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net ([68.239.69.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:32:47 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:34:23 -0400 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-69-130.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:32:50 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you >> performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't >> touch. >> > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that "slightly downlevel..." was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst architecture and consumer retail motherboard. The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better throughput. > i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 > MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is > for free :) > > it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print > server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. Reminds me of my very first FreeBSD server box. It was a Pentium 75MHz that I had overclocked up to 100MHz. I used it on my then dial up connection as a gateway/firewall and pretty much the collection of services you described. With a user load of one (me) it did just fine. > with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate > 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware > problem, but windows problem :) At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware platform. It still remains that, in spite of the OP using a consumer retail motherboard and not a true server component his FreeBSD/Samba arrangement will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize his return on CPU cycles. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:48:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C87106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591B48FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55KmYtS085169; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:48:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55KmY9d085166; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:48:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:48:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opinion request about a file server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:48:43 -0000 > > Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that "slightly > downlevel..." was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst > architecture and consumer retail motherboard. > The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better > performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is indeed. pentium IV in average usage (contrary to special cases like video encoding) are even 40% slower per clock cycle than pentium III. new core2duo are mostly improved pentium III with higher clock and more cache :) > better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as > opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better > throughput. indeed. in most unix usage patterns it's more important than CPU speed. >> with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate >> 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware >> problem, but windows problem :) > > At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the > above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple somehow comparable to my config with sligtly slower CPU, would perform similar in my case. > services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, > 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running > Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply there is no sense of any comparision ;) > just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match > what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware > platform. No. it can't do most things that unix is capable of, unless you install cygwin ;) > will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their > needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize > his return on CPU cycles. my home laptop (PIII-M/1133) is rarely limited by CPU power. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:49:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBD6106564A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AF68FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:49:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n55KnK9r085176; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:49:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n55KnJnW085173; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:49:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:49:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:49:31 -0000 > GNU recommended: > > $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz > > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? > there are people that like to write a lot? ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 5 20:49:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0FD106566C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from thenetnow.com (constellation.thenetnow.com [65.39.193.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761888FC1E for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpeel@thenetnow.com) Received: from hpeel.ody.ca ([216.240.12.2] helo=GRANT) by constellation.thenetnow.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MCgMM-000LRu-2S for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: <512055A7FA6F44DCB287AB729AED7351@GRANT> From: "Grant Peel" To: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:49:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RegEx X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:49:56 -0000 Hi all, Does anyone know of a current mailing list that discusses regular = expressions? I have Googled a number of time, but everything I find is old. Specifically, I am looking for a modification to this per code: #!/usr/local/bin/perl ... my $iframeexp=3D"[\IFRAMEiframe]"; ... foreach (@readin){ ... if( $_ =3D~ /$iframeexp/) { print "Found Match in (HTML?) = $fullname\n"; $_ =3D~ s/$iframeexp/$replace/g; $matched =3D 1; if ($logfiles =3D=3D 1) { open(LOG, ">>$logpath") or warn "cannot open = $logpath"; print LOG "IFRAME (HTML?) found in = $fullname\n"; close(LOG); ... exit; That does not strip out the part of a line that in an html = file (if the