From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 01:57:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA1B106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03CB8FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so2953142ewy.43 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JSia19+hw9KtIRinhJfrthQ6mPMVkZXVUz3gnArpTBE=; b=hnyubhXBUdhfvKl0nussIXVvHDQdTb5Fbi2/lKamIlutpeLcOgA9hDJbss23ROZMly mEn6ZYabLWWPkICFjhy79zc4i6K+NUdehVIM4YjkzSF+LZr/JSYJ2EqIuIMa7TYETU58 xnVFvvWCM+ni+oCZjTXv+HSMGmpTpKEa7ak3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qbGQCFLEOAy2DSH0n7jqlyj03gRHjcO2+ZBBDKXWYAgYahaOaaOhO/qfaNkivsOEKM sFOQSl6hWi8WScF1Ai5rdge8q0ZIi4oc5CguSUfV6Hdzxgez2VMWGxTuga5lmAAebCJi 2Hveg+KjY+Z+T+MzwSuvmUhpTRWYfs0HZVR6M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.22.78 with SMTP id s56mr1678714wes.100.1245549472824; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090620163400.62143980@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4A396736.8010808@gmail.com> <20090617222407.GB26045@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4A3D4029.6090408@gmail.com> <20090620163400.62143980@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:57:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:57:54 -0000 Aside: > My Bonnie looked into a gas tank, > The height of its contents to see! > She lit a small match to assist her, > Oh, bring back my Bonnie to me. Hah... I like that. Dark, but witty. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 04:00:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE09106566C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nehe@telus.net) Received: from defout.telus.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22C58FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nehe@telus.net) Received: from priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net ([204.209.205.55]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090621024820.JUSF10989.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:48:20 -0600 Received: from nehe.gateway.2wire.net (d75-156-149-11.abhsia.telus.net [75.156.149.11]) by priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 39B237143835D03A for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:48:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4A3D9F73.3090109@telus.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:48:19 -0600 From: Jeff Molofee User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090620) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090620120030.4DB551065672@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20090620120030.4DB551065672@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Audio X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 04:00:21 -0000 Just wondering what changed with the sound on BSD? My system way back in the 4.x days sounded not too bad... good bass, etc. After dropping my audio cards for on board audio (intel hda) I noticed the sound was really BAD... tin can, bad separation, no bass at all. Some time this past week, my audio went from sounding like crap to absolutely phenomenal!!! My sub works again, audio is coming out of the center channel, left and right speakers are not putting out ALL of the sound. Is it just me? Did I miss a notice about upgrades to the sound drivers? Whatever it is... AMAZING!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 05:12:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923DA1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696928FC13 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n5L5CjZF007461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n5L5CixG007460; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00770; Sat, 20 Jun 09 22:06:50 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:05:18 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: djuatdelta@gmail.com Message-Id: <4a3dbf8e.u1E1TI6J2fuCjbWs%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4A396736.8010808@gmail.com> <20090617222407.GB26045@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4A3D4029.6090408@gmail.com> <20090620163400.62143980@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: OT: Dark humor (Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:12:46 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: > Aside: > > > My Bonnie looked into a gas tank, > > The height of its contents to see! > > She lit a small match to assist her, > > Oh, bring back my Bonnie to me. > > Hah... I like that. Dark, but witty. I first heard it some 50 years ago, and it was not new even then :) I wouldn't be surprised if it dated from the turn of the last century, when some gasoline-powered automobiles may not have had fuel gauges. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 05:52:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA48E106566C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1778FC0A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5L5qfKJ083060 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:52:44 -0000 for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck windose devs. anybody know? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 05:57:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3060A1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cameron7@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEFA8FC12 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cameron7@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1153434ywe.13 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucBf8eGwzhXVGfwwbZGYOW5kBjKnfux0eFRw2x77wn8=; b=IremnX5u56Qf1E2juA4m/2SkiKUGM0SjI0IR9OZYFYEBrrpZhjCyJ7hpT9vfxxsBH/ URJl+VJbTxb19T55/cna3AFUk8xEjbqqdqB9Plx02wS0jR685ibLA25HwHJByEwbBC/q P1jyVynlbwNDHEGJcakSZAy1U0qaidYkm8Rc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ed9b8r8kJbCV1Ns5PHsMDqnee/ojt3Q4aW/yTSCS57xPvJO3uVcPc/ZZZmwGVk05QY oxpTqAjxYklyav8DogBqp9zV3zr7lLyNjruMjVM5wORFOuuZkKReMlwqKZ2Jl/6f9LX+ fz5bHuTmlMYZiWOWK6IDF2VBBW8XCB83dzW30= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.141.17 with SMTP id o17mr5477019and.160.1245563827246; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:57:07 -0400 Message-ID: <17b5b2ed0906202257y15804f24x908adcbf6da8a1d0@mail.gmail.com> From: Cameron Jacobson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SSL Acceleration cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:57:08 -0000 I posted a message about SSL Acceleration cards a while back on one of the newsgroups, but never got a response. I'm revisiting this now that I've got a project in the works that I'd like to utilize this technology, but still don't think I have the equipment I need. I purchased several SSL cards a while back and all of them did quite well on OpenSSL when I ran the 'speed' utility for Synchronous algorithms, but it was obvious FreeBSD wasn't utilizing the Asynchronous functionality of the cards. Does anyone have recommendations on some relatively inexpensive SSL Acceleration cards (recommended, preferably where the manufacturer actually supports the BSD drivers) where FreeBSD can perform with asynchronous algorithms as well? Thanks, Cameron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 06:12:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDD0106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EACB8FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E647C3CAA1; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5L6CCkb002316; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:12:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:12:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090621081212.7be7e782.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:12:22 -0000 On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > i'll explain > later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > windose devs. "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 12:12:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461221065673 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC928FC1A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5LCC9FF001878; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:12:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5LCC8VV001875; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:12:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:12:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090621081212.7be7e782.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <20090621081212.7be7e782.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:12:19 -0000 >> windose devs. > > "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) > KDE could be considered lightweight, just it's the problem to what you compare it :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 16:46:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7FA1065673 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f203.google.com (mail-px0-f203.google.com [209.85.216.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02A68FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: by mail-px0-f203.google.com with SMTP id 41so2117540pxi.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1E2JMP9hrQaJCyuVV42rL/nzd0abPTE+jNj4GZFDqzg=; b=p7ZhZ+CKoctBRE4mcqDq/+7QPIa2GPGgLTnWY5twddSTXLE4WeRLYVCkDxnYXtur7J gJFEvVfzGlpKZde34kPUpXKiY7RpmNuiKcOOFnmifjqgsozigBEcEgGQhIzidDdx8/qL tBH3o0shMqOPLSYddAPhSzab88BXuuV0lgGiY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vrNIZUDRPEqQLz0oocM7Cv+HQzM5V4g//5ZSLo99T5KrVvTEmXsTYDwFfk4a0zU418 wjiG+RzsME7ANaezyiuhd4j4NSw7UsmywwkIaFx1/sfTv+8ddFVNoCKQSx1456tc+RyT nGzRDWDEcoNM+5HKQDtCGVEqKhO4jntMusIE4= Received: by 10.143.28.8 with SMTP id f8mr2297384wfj.116.1245602810583; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.132? ([69.169.154.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm83626wfi.0.2009.06.21.09.46.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:45:36 -0600 From: Shawn Badger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090319) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:46:51 -0000 Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an Intel i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of the time) and posts an error in the log: drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" always works correctly. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Shawn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:06:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237FB1065673 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78C78FC0A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so181399fxm.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2TBG+3U5EwnDyVfYhZTqBocyCEyoqIr3tUZCwvA8u3g=; b=qrMnlaloWDjyUVnLL6xsC7Ij5Ax6VIalbBYVG16GCkp/Ig1ghdI+5CFdfEUsiNYwch kgMsHn2AiBLpBf057/Y4E8XjDaZSRR34m/Hv71oKE164bfYY78LCJbSY2FULEGAIb4cj MUcpQrJ4+u5RLuP4Gb00hslaumvSiKJfAGkzM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:14:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F716106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A318FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so973971wfg.7 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=faHud9JFySjMPmxngK3Y+MalVjFSNTU819mJnOWr7sg=; b=KHiMwgqFuutJJcLtBGk122rP1itr8TIq5KKCSuulvKkBLEaDncIp5KUKU9iIBvp1Vt E19eYNnHTgDH3a/hK2JqZN9+0DJM4KpGwtaW+549LysjBp+2dUnVcuI7ZlmERTIRZVqC OB94nZ6oImLAfI2+ftwA453cwLEdMhjgBBHoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fDBmrap9qyPmP8LKgbzxeM4kUmpiXktZwo+eY7E1yRPn0kImOHiAu/h2py9A/y0+7q kEvUpTy+NLxXFCYtepR0Nfv03JubGySZqH3fSw/NNVucpEGvIO8+d+iXo6ixqZnAm2P3 OLrJkSYZAXUeIzmoUXJnWxYASkskEzBZKujWk= Received: by 10.142.174.20 with SMTP id w20mr1880674wfe.39.1245604442396; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.132? ([69.169.154.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm273163wfi.20.2009.06.21.10.14.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A3E6A0D.90707@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:12:45 -0600 From: Shawn Badger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090319) To: Glen Barber References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:14:03 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber[1] wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger[2] wrote: Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an Intel i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of the time) and posts an error in the log: drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" always works correctly. xorg.conf: [3]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 Xorg.0.log: [4]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c dmesg output: [5]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 Any help would be very much appreciated. Try this: [6]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. Thanks for the quick responses: @Glen: I went ahead and gave it a try - to no avail. Ironically, I have never had any of the mouse/keyboard issues that people have complained about. My issue is that I just can't get X to start - it appears the drm driver is failing on me. @Francisco: I already have both hald and dbus loading in rc.conf. All of my packages have been compiled from ports. References 1. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 2. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 3. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 4. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 5. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 6. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:31:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6771D106566C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D61C8FC13 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 27281 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2009 17:31:21 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Jun 2009 17:31:21 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D51E5084E; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E42291CC97; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:31:14 -0400 (EDT) To: Tim Judd References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:31:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Tim Judd's message of "Thu\, 18 Jun 2009 19\:43\:42 -0600") Message-ID: <441vpdmr31.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: kern.securelevel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:31:22 -0000 Tim Judd writes: > Something dawned on me. FreeBSD/Open/Net are all well secured > systems. On an Internet-facing router, would applying a higher > kern.securelevel provide any better, tighter, higher security if the > machine was broken into? Given you need to lower the securelevel > before multiuser, it is a reasonable to think raising the securelevel > will give higher comfort feeling? I can't understand your last sentence. The obvious thing is that a raised securelevel only helps if it doesn't get in the way of operations you need to do. A bit less obvious is that it only helps if you are sure you will know if the system reboots. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:32:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9057A1065688 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B418FC13 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: by bwz11 with SMTP id 11so483550bwz.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=m1+iLfdzPUhZJxXB7hzlD6QWT5k7ZC9UVXWngZ7p82U=; b=bfVYue9rr+u7Pd2XfVa9RcTBuerjiRqqescEq1zQwrlZ8ohXeV9gBIqEEFlCV/bBJZ TgVbdEQ3bott0fd6aq6empGMrQbEAwWOcTfIf4ve9ZzsmKle8cP2XR9z+0BGCA0AvcAy 6NqA0BygqMPLpKebARtJmUrWK/JvyjczuyBfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=YHuCDY+7tSom5XezLe6qFS/KOT0fnjoJSwJoGSUhhZOr2TFO8d3hiQYrvYdkmK0tv3 ZrtY0e0umG8VzZtjIv6/lMX5H3OPLIqfZHB6hhXTMYnq0r3pspMK7qTgfoFjC/rFLz4e LwAj776r01eJt72rJbhHC7bYyfHalLIv3fAu0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.193 with SMTP id e1mr5157559bkr.147.1245604284285; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:11:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:11:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Francisco Cabrita To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Shawn Badger Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:32:37 -0000 Hi guys, I had the same problem here. Just install those ports and add them to rc.cond or rc.conf.local hal_enable="YES" dbus_enable=YES" regards, Francisco On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber > wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger > wrote: > >> Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have > >> helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an > Intel > >> i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of > the > >> time) and posts an error in the log: > >> drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 > >> > >> I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get > >> fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" > >> always works correctly. > >> > >> xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 > >> Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c > >> dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 > >> > >> Any help would be very much appreciated. > >> > > > > Try this: http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php > > > > I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. > Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. > > > -- > Glen Barber > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- blog: http://sufixo.com/raw http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:36:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C10106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF3C8FC17 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so190108fxm.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:36:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IDMI7FbrDUn0ILLddo9+q6IWbMmk+LDUsBujxL78+hc=; b=h8iseQ5rNoo0P6EDLXgP6WwDkSjuZ+kPqxNPSrrGJGNykIJJAf1/Uxvf0qg/vSsIDq YQywQL974FOn8YNT1ANh26zd7dQ9LngxePa/PwZBVUaj9B7uiA1zBQj+oGXJ6Fy7bEMq 81iuWeQT+nQrI7rKJHd2hj9wigCBVy3UvNBwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=AWeSnq0EowHQiy4YBA8ssPoZV9SFrRU/iNSSajfD3X/bTDCgeOAPQ8lVXyDhp3cQwJ NZZK3TdWeizSfd3ULs5bi6thbTN0cGsV5C0ukruiiSr7Z1ZSjEz0YaUOCbnS0+As0wJo nhcshwtWK+lQipWMbwwDQC75LHmYZWzKwcF0A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.59.145 with SMTP id l17mr5267945bkh.28.1245604311412; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:11:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:11:51 +0100 Message-ID: From: Francisco Cabrita To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Shawn Badger Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:36:15 -0000 s/rc.cond/rc.conf :) On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Francisco Cabrita < francisco.cabrita@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > I had the same problem here. > > Just install those ports and add them to rc.cond or rc.conf.local > > hal_enable="YES" > dbus_enable=YES" > > regards, > Francisco > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger >> wrote: >> >> Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have >> >> helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an >> Intel >> >> i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of >> the >> >> time) and posts an error in the log: >> >> drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 >> >> >> >> I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get >> >> fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" >> >> always works correctly. >> >> >> >> xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 >> >> Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c >> >> dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 >> >> >> >> Any help would be very much appreciated. >> >> >> > >> > Try this: http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php >> > >> >> I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. >> Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. >> >> >> -- >> Glen Barber >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > blog: http://sufixo.com/raw > http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita > -- blog: http://sufixo.com/raw http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:38:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7816E1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014878FC15 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from francisco.cabrita@gmail.com) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so190750fxm.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j3P+U7XPF+qY43W4SXmxYUSCgMmYJ8hfzG6/BQX7QEo=; b=KSIsLJN5vu/T1SoDWlX0pO9Jo3+CGzNkkLM7XwFS9VIJw4PmqprWHpgNH+Y+uA6qsR bicMNvJHqoUGh85XlWAuxPrv3VoEDdlovxiee7+Aieo1M+viHMlSW/XZqD5l2b327dOb krAZZ9pkJKmUESxWZLTHXNLQX97h9c8hSpLx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=T4pmWhGf4Oyri+b9AAeLf6RJGY1XDa5F/E/exmU6IKREhOZWGmI+kv+0N/SeENcDDL r5flWjKCvVOlJO2Id+Ady2gOj6jCYzG4aBAXI/lRyHtegZKEDq/p/vg8bj8yLOrDGAOD y6ZvXD5FTsjSbQpQVbc2JdqQfxauIqsL3O0no= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.212 with SMTP id n20mr5238593bkq.138.1245605905997; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A3E6A0D.90707@gmail.com> References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E6A0D.90707@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:38:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Francisco Cabrita To: Shawn Badger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:38:27 -0000 Hi Shawn I would first try to figure why is this error in the logs. (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard I think only errors stop the X to start. The one you show are warnings. Regards, Francisco On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Shawn Badger wrote= : > > =A0 Glen Barber wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber[1] = wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger[2] = wrote: > > > Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have > helped me resolve my own. =A0I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an = Intel > i915 graphics card. =A0My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of = the > time) and posts an error in the log: > =A0drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 > > I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get > fluxbox to start. =A0The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" > always works correctly. > > xorg.conf: =A0 =A0 [3]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 > Xorg.0.log: =A0 =A0[4]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c > dmesg output: =A0[5]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > Try this: [6]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php > > > > I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. > Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. > > > > > =A0 Thanks for the quick responses: > =A0 @Glen: > =A0 I went ahead and gave it a try - to no avail. =A0Ironically, I have > =A0 never had any of the mouse/keyboard issues that people have complaine= d > =A0 about. =A0My issue is that I just can't get X to start - it appears t= he > =A0 drm driver is failing on me. > =A0 @Francisco: > =A0 I already have both hald and dbus loading in rc.conf. =A0All of my > =A0 packages have been compiled from ports. > > References > > =A0 1. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com > =A0 2. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com > =A0 3. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 > =A0 4. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c > =A0 5. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 > =A0 6. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" -- blog: http://sufixo.com/raw http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:55:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE8F1065672 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f171.google.com (mail-pz0-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D198FC12 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so2668403pzk.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6A1AupOfYrJuN6HEGhMk+o3PT5iAlZ0Rh91t9IfS8VY=; b=lhM6cFRVYyhyPkSbRC8Xk3Nwf50/+t53P8QJWd3DDD0A+AC9WWjTGzzRLzH18vqic8 zujK5qjSOxc4ISjPT6rm/S9D9+BxB0OPSl+mik3uBbgHebadK5OXQUKboLZNS+kysX98 DlH5BzLjsT6g5pO2Id0flrwtqbAtc+9MNY+eY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UHR5FRRRanGrtU0cnitfOVxex6oOt4BiT4kjGv8AbIMgGsAqLB6QJlD+QwOHLVEnYs ZT5utK8qrEaJOzJldNXS4sXRb+Przd/2NO1VeswpOfpQfEbOGE1MyAUjtu1L9E5zNyoL 2QsEH3f9ryniEEVXIHM9kD0jR/dQN/x2PNAew= Received: by 10.142.207.6 with SMTP id e6mr2274430wfg.49.1245606909081; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.132? ([69.169.154.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm373432wfa.33.2009.06.21.10.55.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A3E73B0.206@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:53:52 -0600 From: Shawn Badger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090319) To: Francisco Cabrita References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E6A0D.90707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:55:10 -0000 Francisco Cabrita wrote: Hi Shawn I would first try to figure why is this error in the logs. (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard I think only errors stop the X to start. The one you show are warnings. Regards, Francisco Thanks Francisco, I hadn't noticed this. When I use the options Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" and have hald running, I then get the following errors: (II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Keyboard (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (II) config/hal: Adding input device PS/2 Mouse (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" When looking at my running processes, there are 3 hal-related processes: hald-runner hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/psm0 hald-addon-storage: /dev/acd0 So now I have both dbus & hald running, and I am using the two X options stated above. Am I missing something? Thanks, Shawn On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Shawn Badger [1] wrote: Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber[1][2] wro te: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger[2][3] wro te: Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an Intel i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of the time) and posts an error in the log: drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" always works correctly. xorg.conf: [3][4]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 Xorg.0.log: [4][5]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c dmesg output: [5][6]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 Any help would be very much appreciated. Try this: [6][7]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. Thanks for the quick responses: @Glen: I went ahead and gave it a try - to no avail. Ironically, I have never had any of the mouse/keyboard issues that people have complained about. My issue is that I just can't get X to start - it appears the drm driver is failing on me. @Francisco: I already have both hald and dbus loading in rc.conf. All of my packages have been compiled from ports. References 1. [8]mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 2. [9]mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 3. [10]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 4. [11]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 5. [12]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 6. [13]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php _______________________________________________ [14]freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list [15]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [16]"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " -- blog: [17]http://sufixo.com/raw [18]http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita References 1. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 2. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 3. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 4. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 5. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 6. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 7. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php 8. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 9. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 10. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 11. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 12. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 13. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php 14. mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 15. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions 16. mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org 17. http://sufixo.com/raw 18. http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 17:58:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044A1106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F128FC08 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shawnbadger@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so978073wfg.7 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LxlRDETZ7v6ck/8gYOOgMJ9l0FB4UyUSIHvGasChZ1E=; b=FRnltg9wR3AZwjEumrnlTwtZAybM1BIV4nSHB/Ab+19CfiWv3SaEIbO914Qlpfmy7a HJ5apkE4kebxfDKbEQJovrpppH/V7BrzRU+6DpGOU7TsEiXymWxs4EEOejYwlFcawZ88 EeFPwxs5TvZfsOG767JezkAFuCV0HeBcqrA/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aRX0UbW9ls5umynOCVv/nvVS9EDu4zuDRBO5OKOicT/fCWL+qxKO9ZNCagLQvUGXVG NGaFe8IEnRq6C22ldD9sB+sDccjYIO57P0/JrSHRR21iMhii6QR0sZvd7rGHIKivXFhp 8Kbr5H8vMje8WQYJnPmPGjW0ozdkxgO1G1Mgc= Received: by 10.142.70.11 with SMTP id s11mr2271551wfa.141.1245607092496; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.132? (69.169.154.48.provo.static.broadweavenetworks.net [69.169.154.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm149756wfa.13.2009.06.21.10.58.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A3E746A.90200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:56:58 -0600 From: Shawn Badger User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090319) To: Francisco Cabrita References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> <4ad871310906211006q5d7df425hda31906db20035a2@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906211007v548a7305nb2be27351757f9e6@mail.gmail.com> <4A3E6A0D.90707@gmail.com> <4A3E73B0.206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A3E73B0.206@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:58:13 -0000 Shawn Badger wrote: Francisco Cabrita wrote: Hi Shawn I would first try to figure why is this error in the logs. (EE) XKB: No components provided for device Virtual core keyboard I think only errors stop the X to start. The one you show are warnings. Regards, Francisco Thanks Francisco, I hadn't noticed this. When I use the options Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" and have hald running, I then get the following errors: (II) config/hal: Adding input device AT Keyboard (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (II) config/hal: Adding input device PS/2 Mouse (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (8) (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" When looking at my running processes, there are 3 hal-related processes: hald-runner hald-addon-mouse-sysmouse: /dev/psm0 hald-addon-storage: /dev/acd0 oops, /usr/local/sbin/hald is also running. :) So now I have both dbus & hald running, and I am using the two X options stated above. Am I missing something? Thanks, Shawn On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Shawn Badger [1] wrote: Glen Barber wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Glen Barber[1][2] wro te: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Badger[2][3] wro te: Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an Intel i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start (most of the time) and posts an error in the log: drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" always works correctly. xorg.conf: [3][4]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 Xorg.0.log: [4][5]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c dmesg output: [5][6]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 Any help would be very much appreciated. Try this: [6][7]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php I didn't realize you had 'AutoAddDevices' in ServerLayout at first.. Still, give "AllowEmptyInput" "off" a shot. Thanks for the quick responses: @Glen: I went ahead and gave it a try - to no avail. Ironically, I have never had any of the mouse/keyboard issues that people have complained about. My issue is that I just can't get X to start - it appears the drm driver is failing on me. @Francisco: I already have both hald and dbus loading in rc.conf. All of my packages have been compiled from ports. References 1. [8]mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 2. [9]mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 3. [10]http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 4. [11]http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 5. [12]http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 6. [13]http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php _______________________________________________ [14]freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list [15]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [16]"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org " -- blog: [17]http://sufixo.com/raw [18]http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita References 1. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 2. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 3. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 4. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 5. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 6. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 7. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php 8. mailto:glen.j.barber@gmail.com 9. mailto:shawnbadger@gmail.com 10. http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 11. http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c 12. http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 13. http://www.dev-urandom.com/user/xorg.php 14. mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 15. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions 16. mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org 17. http://sufixo.com/raw 18. http://www.linkedin.com/in/franciscocabrita From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 18:53:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C685F1065672 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AF88FC1B for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LIrTfl089896; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:53:27 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090621185326.GA63029@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <20090621081212.7be7e782.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090621081212.7be7e782.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:53:36 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 08:12:12AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:52:39 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > i'll explain > > later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > > kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > > would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > > windose devs. > > "Lightweight computer" and "KDE apps"? You must be joking. :-) > sorry. that's the trouble with english. weight as in mass, not power. if they've got something with the "Hz-horsepower" that is something cheap/inexpensve, and WITH KYBD, and small screen, *if*, then if it runs freebsd, yo! i'm go for that puppy. the app the speech therapist showed me was a heavy (like > 2Kg) clumsy, touchscreen dud that used some kind of M$ opsys. if i can roll my own with bsd that ought to make headlines. a few hundred bux compared to $8,000: whoa:-) gary > > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 19:06:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3090106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [77.238.184.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D2558FC21 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: (qmail 76518 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2009 18:39:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=PZRp790HkaENFTGgvx5eEnbFa2k/Ov/LBaG0ySs6aS5b2VPaRwqqOrdbDgpvi6OI7Cb419yi78OLLmV+4Zi4e6ejoxr14lav6i/nT/I0jBLIfbgiJD04aDZUThnXW7IrHahCnZ8t/SBFnoSVsGb694NUElsAUjqv70NBViW6V/w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO suer) (meslists@151.49.224.241 with plain) by smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2009 18:39:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: vQQ_Xl6swBCl_II246m4P1b5oVD4 X-YMail-OSG: wyXhyI0VM1lTiAJAUQJwpsQYO4X5fdMBLH2s.PPPrl4MbUY3vFVs3p0HeeT6Ht2kWfSrHUY0V4f91VQxwXGEGy0PnXS1mQeDn4noB8D8aaaPsuwEGl2atSgHYPquX4TTCthPGOQwUUexs19DNrpECZx1ovzyDzu6jRzUfXEHmLowgADipQBL8nLeRqWzCUjn9zsX2oxB9FQMWIThEuJ6H19.YpbPNqnyukm8C5JgiaA1IJvPVOMKuehupT.7R1uSPa6ibNPfu0fH6._E X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: danny To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:38:39 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> Subject: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: meslists@yahoo.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:06:03 -0000 Hi list members , I frequently update the contents of the ports tree but I have never upgraded any port. I am studying the way to do it, by following the handbook and an article on The FreeBSD Diary about the use of portupgrade. At the moment I am focuing the attention to the '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. The question that arose is the following: is there any automated way to check if any of the port to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes written in that file ? Do you prefer doing a mass or selective upgrade ? Thanks ! dan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 19:18:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB79A1065692 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8388FC19 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423275C26; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:22:16 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:18:55 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:18:57 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this > is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. > > i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and > lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones > work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu > fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain > later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > windose devs. > > > anybody know? > ############ Aloha Gary, Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static network settings. HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it is working well. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 19:25:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751E4106564A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308798FC18 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2009 15:25:07 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PZH91141; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Jun 2009 15:25:05 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19006.35089.295425.546946@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:25:05 -0400 To: meslists@yahoo.fr In-Reply-To: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:25:07 -0000 danny writes: > At the moment I am focuing the attention to the > '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. The question that arose is the > following: is there any automated way to check if any of the port > to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes written in that file? Not that I know of. However: on a single machine, it shouldn't be that hard to just remember. On one machine with almost 1000 ports installed, less that 200 get upgraded more than one per year. Of those in the 200 that involve code, maybe 50 get upgraded more than once every three months. And those tend to be either trivial, or huge (gnome, wine, openoffice, etc.). > Do you prefer doing a mass or selective upgrade? The difference? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 19:33:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2E91065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f200.google.com (mail-yx0-f200.google.com [209.85.210.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E188FC20 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so1381384yxe.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qmRUa8xawMR9w5YaqirfPVP6k53B3EkDlThYNrGp4ME=; b=NPe4D5+LoVDjscVxNop+35YD50zbV/H1h9IT/Npl2o4Np3zAPdv0spVr4xIE0G/+Tb PscIMw5mDrslrM58aU4IzENMqDmteigWftzCQ0VfhXG2lrTMOvIPq7YnR6WFTWGe3B8i aMqEoLdbwEOUxSsLb199PntU5u6xpFhKVFFbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K+AH33QkGXTyfEY1tbcy9wjKZr0bIM2ujMgtGfBdicCpw1ySnnWiMB4tCS3TSj7yEL 1VbG0TpGJwhCyUFc4lMq2KELONKeZpN9NQmgVbPoVI9S0RgO5hicRmkOb0h6jhgrmJUi jZMNoCNr3QOv9neQJWf4M8ifSFmZiVWyWYKSc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.38.196 with SMTP id c4mr1687700ibe.31.1245612794998; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:33:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A3D9F73.3090109@telus.net> References: <20090620120030.4DB551065672@hub.freebsd.org> <4A3D9F73.3090109@telus.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:33:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Jeff Molofee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Audio X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:33:16 -0000 2009/6/20 Jeff Molofee : > Just wondering what changed with the sound on BSD? My system way back in the > 4.x days sounded not too bad... good bass, etc. > > After dropping my audio cards for on board audio (intel hda) I noticed the > sound was really BAD... tin can, bad separation, no bass at all. > > Some time this past week, my audio went from sounding like crap to > absolutely phenomenal!!! My sub works again, audio is coming out of the > center channel, left and right speakers are not putting out ALL of the > sound. > > Is it just me? Did I miss a notice about upgrades to the sound drivers? > Whatever it is... AMAZING!!! > Agreed, 3db greater modulation, better granularity, useable eq . . . Are you running -CURRENT, then? http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=4771 (I don't have a clue if this was MFC'd to -STABLE) Also, thank you, ariff@! -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 19:42:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39A71065673 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541AB8FC2F for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LJg28N090307; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Al Plant Message-ID: <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:42:06 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this > >is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. > > > >i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and > >lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones > >work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu > >fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain > >later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > >kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > >would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > >windose devs. > > > > > >anybody know? > > > ############ > > > Aloha Gary, > > Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini > 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static > network settings. > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > is working well. > aloha! is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? lots of miscellaneous questions that the websites may be able to answer. gary > -- > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + > < email: noc@hdk5.net > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:08:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03E51065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFAB8FC19 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3313042ewy.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NoPtEKzRw1rMTYamqjhVO1BQBIm+3uoHaOogUxcN7w0=; b=dztBakMIXhHTgTxqo4lHIr2MiQUiWr7UV+Fg/312PRFNQpmtt0pfK0f4jcasjc84F3 BgZu9KqKNp9kseufb52mF0rF9CD+fulaY4k6PbOOmL42IIWxy1eo5GKiCyXm8VilAXu4 m/DduPT2ydz16uLr3eX08Ql82olZRI/tbDZ7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QY5ospGrQud/ejcxdpKyFoRZw8sX0udvCWZiGsl2ZTDlfa1hA/qKNnKE72csmKe4Lr dPTktH6nseyj0F69nNqMs2zRsF7K2yaCGwvEo59qH3k76HUYY+4mgPjE8VJkjp4IlDX9 xFbkopVsJQKDWsmVNgF1QwlKPbxQspqrv1kHw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.13.74 with SMTP id a52mr1902167wea.145.1245614891119; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:07:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: meslists@yahoo.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:08:13 -0000 2009/6/21 danny : > Hi list members , > > I frequently update the contents of the ports tree but I have never upgraded > any port. I am studying the way to do it, by following the handbook and an > article on The FreeBSD Diary about the use of portupgrade. > At the moment I am focuing the attention to the '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. > The question that arose is the following: is there any automated way to check > if any of the port to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes written in > that file ? > Do you prefer doing a mass or selective upgrade ? > > Thanks ! > > dan I would tend to upgrade perl first; have a look in UPDATING to see how it's done. That'll upgrade the majority of your ports too. You may also have a small problem if you're still running XFree86 (which you probably will if you've had your system a while). Look in UPDATING for that too, and then just do a portupgrade -aP. Good luck, and I hope your processor's properly cooled! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:10:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B9E1065672 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4678FC17 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3314125ewy.43 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2FVTGRmlujDAJuixGM5SrdhL3bdeMyGsEbz448jqtXs=; b=idLdfS/HoFygiLbXhOGcsR5ULA+16TQRJScMg62ZWi1uGu4d/dveA4lIybRKm2Va3L ZAMQ4ar5cLf2S79eaQKpHyLEeaWXidx1TcIoPXP5poKTXPkKP99fDrARBbDgaxZwsjPs 8GrRy0TYeyWjmK63AmVr7M+A854e7Bj5ZmyI0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O3qOy4jYcc/qWBie/NdZ95Xogn4rE+BvNA1pusbi1CdZrJLqb94Awte9Sb+cjgoOhy nUXDHV0TgL9VXn8e9JxWQdjLiqX9H/Knxe4knbHwa0kylPwV2hTYczJv88yo6mPoXr6D yfEhBJLpjkG+Ik1LLdO1E7DSzA99c9YLX799M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.201 with SMTP id i51mr1940656wea.214.1245615045139; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:10:25 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tim Judd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: kern.securelevel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:10:46 -0000 2009/6/19 Tim Judd : > Something dawned on me. =A0FreeBSD/Open/Net are all well secured > systems. =A0On an Internet-facing router, would applying a higher > kern.securelevel provide any better, tighter, higher security if the > machine was broken into? =A0Given you need to lower the securelevel > before multiuser, it is a reasonable to think raising the securelevel > will give higher comfort feeling? > > > I know this is a logical/thinking/mind question, but that's what I'm aski= ng for. > By all means raise your securelevel if you're happy with firewall rules, and don't ever need to change flags on files, but really, unless you expect root to be broken, it's kinda annoying. Just disallow root access to EVERYTHING, ssh, telnet (if you're mad enough to run it facing the net), ftp, etc. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:15:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A9A1065674 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9795F8FC0C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C485C26; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:18:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4A3E94E3.8020608@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:15:31 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:33 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: >> Gary Kline wrote: >>> for the dedicated nerds on-list now on the weekend, i just edited [[ this >>> is my LAST edit ]] of ``slicejourney.php''. it goes away in ten days. >>> >>> i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and >>> lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones >>> work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu >>> fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain >>> later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the >>> kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that >>> would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck >>> windose devs. >>> >>> >>> anybody know? >>> >> ############ >> >> >> Aloha Gary, >> >> Agree that that any Ubunto OS is bad on notebooks. I have an HP Mini >> 1000 that I have network issues with because Ubunto barfs up any static >> network settings. >> >> HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it >> from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. >> >> I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it >> is working well. >> > > > aloha! > > is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? > > lots of miscellaneous questions that the websites may be > able to answer. > > gary > > >> -- >> >> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 >> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + >> + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + >> < email: noc@hdk5.net > >> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol >> > ############ There was a big discussion on this list about a month back about laptops. You can search for answers on our FreeBSD list or on Google. Consumer reports also had a discussion in their magazine last month. Many of the net book sellers are now putting Linux OS on them. But not all models. New Egg, Comp USA (on line) Tiger Direct etc. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:30:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5590E1065677 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106D88FC24 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1331104qwe.7 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x3+tocMl6h1v4wrxX/O5XkpEuGZTUqI7M0E1vvNCUMY=; b=aiw1rLu6vtRxIQXaNo0w4DuwzkYR/ytsS4EFuiYSYUwP8QxPh6iCB2EDalmxsuMbNN DyB+Pctz39ceI/aB6Xx0zce2fW0y11jlzu6uDnMDLEKpK1+UeX6Q5apAqxWYJuVN9TOp bgd7C3CCqT4lxWxVVPlYNfNAieTra4uoWQJOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=syXgmQYW77uQSwrHUOfjpEndmmuxoQHA8LGZ36VGNlUbEMR7NmRCMd8uAzfQiQLW43 RYsVJO1oDiad3dBIN3WdR+Au47xezGYQRTBlICb2roKNsjmXYk3TdC/PpcFVITBc7CgI W1ZK1G6AnwEUuPihGE9sFTOpNI3SM41czV+4w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.98.17 with SMTP id o17mr3499923vcn.86.1245616226219; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <441vpdmr31.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <441vpdmr31.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:30:26 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: kern.securelevel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:30:27 -0000 On 6/21/09, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Tim Judd writes: > >> Something dawned on me. FreeBSD/Open/Net are all well secured >> systems. On an Internet-facing router, would applying a higher >> kern.securelevel provide any better, tighter, higher security if the >> machine was broken into? Given you need to lower the securelevel >> before multiuser, it is a reasonable to think raising the securelevel >> will give higher comfort feeling? > > I can't understand your last sentence. Let me try to rephrase it. When securelevel is raised, to lower it to accomplish a task such as installworld or something, you have to comment/lower the level in the rc.conf and reboot in order to reach the lower level. Once the lower-level is reached (after a reboot, including assuming maybe SUM might be able to change it), you can do your installworld and then re-raise the securelevel back up. keeping the securelevel up means that nothing (poor choice of word.. "nothing" in terms of the perfect world and no SA's are announced or anything) can be compromised and altered without first loosing the connection to the box. I dunno, this is a new idea I had on internet-facing routers (not necessarily for secured servers or anything). Just trying to get the public's feel of who might be using it, why they're using it, and if they feel safer using it. I would love to hear if any popular corporations (big names, like yahoo, hp, etc) are using this kind of secured approach. > > The obvious thing is that a raised securelevel only helps if it doesn't > get in the way of operations you need to do. A bit less obvious is that > it only helps if you are sure you will know if the system reboots. I would gladly put myself through the headache of the lower/reboot/change config/raise if I can see if it makes sense to the other big names that it's helping them stay secure. The other idea I had was to mark for example ttyv0-7 secure (preferably marking only ttyd0 on serial console secure), leaving the rest insecure, raising securelevel and working that angle. This is a post very seriously asking opinions on the securelevel mechanism, and I am asking for people's opinion. I know everyone is different, but I am trying to get a feel for the public use of it. --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:32:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FD91065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C893E8FC18 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LKWpAE090721; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:32:49 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Al Plant Message-ID: <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:32:55 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > >i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and > > >lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones > > >work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu > > >fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain > > >later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the > > >kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that > > >would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck > > >windose devs. > > > [[ munch ]] > > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > is working well. > > [[ munch ]] okay. i'm on the eeepc.asus.com site. but don't see much info on the spec. i bot asus once years ago and the motherboard crapped out on me after a year. but by now, should be more reliable. anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my opinion as said people's father. so is there any other cute notebooks like this "EEe Pc" that have cable? oh, and this tiny thing doesn't look big enough to have any speakers. since the main point of this experiment is to allow typing onthe kde tts apps and have voice output, a speaker is a must-have. feedback, you guys? gary ps: the 7" deal is serious cute, but the kybd is tiny and while i have no hand tremor or anything, i'd probably fat-finger most keys. anybody have the small asus? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 20:53:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E81F1065670 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4439C8FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so4114953gxk.19 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vVU95XCo1ixtuBhMj29OxoFIm0EUUjJAZBqW64lvcy8=; b=OVYL9eLymczNQShB3dIaHolJyJ+TlArxA7C80TZ/5/5HqyVIJHBmPRI+llUapQwss/ HUnXHbIh/W76ZaFpLq8SF3p0eZD4/lSN3GpODE89wbNcuYw0uSzMspvkhrK0HQQUDjHr UGvC5rXuTs+1r2UgtzvP4Oz66YcQ+bGutZnG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x8XAzXmuAuozHmk1q/q/7KWUjkvR3z+hzKOgmsnUWC7Z6RbRKmythxZr9+7L7yOHhx D18iWg2ryGLPnPHQmDgkK6x88mWk8BbdLnfCGxFLe8uWINuLrap+Oe5AihJetFXV7tWR I0ECkkCWao9VPP8gcV0c83nX1ISGV5yD+rfxA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.18.5 with SMTP id u5mr1716675iba.5.1245617617499; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:53:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mauling List Subject: Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:53:38 -0000 2009/6/21 Gary Kline : > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. =A0i've go= t a > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A013-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless= so > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom = and so > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0on. =A0well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in= my > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0opinion as said people's father. Faraday cage? Also, netbook, schmetbook. IBM thinkpad x40: 150-180$ on craigslist. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 21:17:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9DD1065674 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from honeysuckle.london.02.net (honeysuckle.london.02.net [87.194.255.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB508FC1D for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (93.97.24.219) by honeysuckle.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23EDE60140AF0D; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:16:45 +0100 Message-ID: <4A3EA338.20403@onetel.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:16:40 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:17:13 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > >>>> i have another issue that has more to do with freebsd on the new and >>>> lost cost notebook computers i had heard of. how many and which ones >>>> work best with our flavor of BSD. turns out that sometimes things-ubuntu >>>> fail, and i need something failsafe and with a keyboard. i'll explain >>>> later, but if i can use a lightweight computer that has audio with the >>>> kde apps, i can create a reasonably priced tts or speech synthesizer that >>>> would be accessible to a great many people. instead of the $8-9 kilobuck >>>> windose devs. >>>> > [[ munch ]] > >>> I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it >>> is working well. >>> > > [[ munch ]] > > okay. i'm on the eeepc.asus.com site. but don't see much info on > the spec. i bot asus once years ago and the motherboard crapped > out on me after a year. but by now, should be more reliable. > > anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only. i've got a > 13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so > said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so > on. well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my > opinion as said people's father. so is there any other cute > notebooks like this "EEe Pc" that have cable? > > oh, and this tiny thing doesn't look big enough to have any > speakers. since the main point of this experiment is to allow > typing onthe kde tts apps and have voice output, a speaker is a > must-have. > > feedback, you guys? > > gary > > ps: the 7" deal is serious cute, but the kybd is tiny and while i > have no hand tremor or anything, i'd probably fat-finger most > keys. anybody have the small asus? > > > There's a wiki devoted to FreeBSD on Asus eee http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee last edited 2009-05-31 I personally think Asus desktop motherboards are going downhill, based on my very small sample of two old ones going strong and one recent one defunct, plus that funny marketing smell that creeps in - "Rock Solid, Heart Touching" geez. On the other hand the guys in the component level laptop repair shop I had to take my HP laptop to recently, told me they get fewer Asus laptops in for repair than anything, even thinkpads. (They get mostly HP :-< ) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 21:23:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0BF1065673 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8BF8FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:23:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LLNAGc091151; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:23:08 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Al Plant Message-ID: <20090621212308.GB63381@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <4A3E94E3.8020608@hdk5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A3E94E3.8020608@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:23:13 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:15:31AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: [[ save the electrons ]] > ############ > > There was a big discussion on this list about a month back about laptops. > > You can search for answers on our FreeBSD list or on Google. > > Consumer reports also had a discussion in their magazine last month. > Many of the net book sellers are now putting Linux OS on them. But not > all models. New Egg, Comp USA (on line) Tiger Direct etc. > thanks for the datapoints, al. my thought was that if i [or a small group of us] could get this typing-to-speech capability working for even $500, it would make headlines globally. freebsd --or maybe pcbsd, or whatever--even linux, since i'm not hard-core religiously opposed to linux. if this could work on portable computer with freebsd's *stability* it would be a win for the millions who do not have a lethal diseases but whose speech is too garbled for most people to understand. (( but then, for these many/most/some? of these neurological disorders degrade so that there is a window where people Can type for awhile before they get too bad.)) i finally read the glossy promo sheets on this windose device. it's got a hard drive, 256meg ram, 800mhz processor. rips you off for 8000 bux. that's for the basic touchscreen with a speaker. i'll poke around the rest of the weekend and see what i can learn. if this is too far OT, please write me offlist. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 21:31:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390E1065674 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF148FC16 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LLVMlm091203; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:31:19 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20090621213119.GC63381@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mauling List Subject: Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:31:24 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 04:53:37PM -0400, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > 2009/6/21 Gary Kline : > > >        anyway, i see only wireless, and i'm cat5 only.  i've got a > >        13-yr-old people here who would love for me to go wireless so > >        said people could take her apple macbook into her bedroom and so > >        on.  well, said people need to be not hiding-in-room, in my > >        opinion as said people's father. > > Faraday cage? > > Also, netbook, schmetbook. IBM thinkpad x40: 150-180$ on craigslist. > tx; i've got the info on an e-sticky.... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 21:55:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C125106567A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCBE8FC13 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5LLts9X091408; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:55:51 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chris Whitehouse Message-ID: <20090621215551.GD63381@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090621203249.GA63381@thought.org> <4A3EA338.20403@onetel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A3EA338.20403@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Small notebook platforms. [was: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:55:57 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:16:40PM +0100, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Gary Kline wrote: > >On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:42:00PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >>On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > > There's a wiki devoted to FreeBSD on Asus eee > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > last edited 2009-05-31 outstanding; i'm looking at the top-of-page rt now:) > > I personally think Asus desktop motherboards are going downhill, based > on my very small sample of two old ones going strong and one recent one > defunct, plus that funny marketing smell that creeps in - "Rock Solid, > Heart Touching" geez. my asus days date pre-2000 when there was a builtin asus-SCSI controller. and at the time anything scsi was a must. marketing folks rate somewhere _beneath_ used-car salesmen, IMHO. there is some saying about needs vs wants, and it's the marketing guys who get us to need <>. ..... > On the other hand the guys in the component level > laptop repair shop I had to take my HP laptop to recently, told me they > get fewer Asus laptops in for repair than anything, even thinkpads. > (They get mostly HP :-< ) ouch! i've got two critical hp kayaks from 1998. been praying to the hp-gods:) ---well, until i can get a real live human nerd over here to help me replace them. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 22:25:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD57B1065672 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@stangl.us) Received: from stangl.us (stangl.us [66.93.193.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12458FC0A for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@stangl.us) Received: by scout.stangl.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E7E66B83A; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:25:25 -0500 From: Alex Stangl To: utisoft@gmail.com Message-ID: <20090621222525.GA81694@scout.stangl.us> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: meslists@yahoo.fr, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:25:27 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:07:51PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/21 danny : > > I frequently update the contents of the ports tree but I have never upgraded > > any port. I am studying the way to do it, by following the handbook and an > > article on The FreeBSD Diary about the use of portupgrade. > > At the moment I am focuing the attention to the '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. > > The question that arose is the following: is there any automated way to check > > if any of the port to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes written in > > that file ? Try ports-mgmt/portupdate-scan. It attempts to filter UPDATING to only show entries pertinent to your installed ports. Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 21 23:09:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4015A106566C for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f200.google.com (mail-yx0-f200.google.com [209.85.210.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0388FC15 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jimmiejaz@gmail.com) Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so1484311yxe.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:09:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nq6Ih7zenY/FyrPOYJd6zPCxnIwTT4jtsUY3UTTPK4g=; b=mbQC7m6VA4RIIeGoH2j/zldSLmFb8n2PiM/sK4TQLQbwxj4oon4L9E5rqFaxx/gIPd IXxVyN99umX1HtLTBa3uKkFFOkhn17EuKX7H4KLE2anRP7YYtjB/rG0DxTRBEfmVf98v HfF4WpU8V7NFtJTkaWaq0PPS06zzDRoOUErWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ufqJgpKDmZN6n6iLlBSXBTpW3WptncHqPTaZfuhkgBAnpZA9emFaBm0pyGvs9MRhrA yku0gk7IpaQJpibdRpXKz0BClcyP24cwWnKrx6wLDphlGXjRs9FaXHhhyE5jivIz5TCp dVOq9zTIW4p5mF3XG0ChickNdYTA36P3mGDNI= Received: by 10.151.132.4 with SMTP id j4mr10040699ybn.120.1245625787276; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jimmiejaz.org (bas1-toronto44-1279614615.dsl.bell.ca [76.69.94.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm834790ywf.22.2009.06.21.16.09.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A3EBDB9.1040108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:09:45 -0400 From: Jimmie James User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.7pre (X11/20090406) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Badger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimmiejaz@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:09:48 -0000 >Hi, I've seen several posts with similar issues, but none of them have >helped me resolve my own. I am using 7.2-RELEASE on my laptop with an >Intel i915 graphics card. My problem is that Xorg refuses to start >(most of the time) and posts an error in the log: > drmDropMaster failed: Unknown Error -1 >I have gotten X to start on occasion, but I've never been able to get >fluxbox to start. The command "Xorg -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf -retro" >always works correctly. >xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f44c3bfa1 >Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/f22d7e99c >dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/f7d02e787 >Any help would be very much appreciated. >Thanks, >Shawn I have the 82915G/GV/GL, 82910GL card. http://pastebin.com/mc88b390 My xorg.conf grep'd dmesg, Xorg log and full Xorg.log file. Have you tried running X without a conf file? The newest server doesn't need one, it "should" autodetect everything. HTH. -- Over the years I've come to regard you as people I've met. I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other, and when I am alone I am together. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 00:35:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC391065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC7E8FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5M0ZGjm092680 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:35:14 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:35:17 -0000 i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given current technology? is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll need. any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 00:41:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DAB1065673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel.dicroci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f200.google.com (mail-yx0-f200.google.com [209.85.210.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AC38FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel.dicroci@gmail.com) Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so1535576yxe.3 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:41:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kBi7s+Xpu7+i+QCxDi2FUA0inLZdcgubtnYOXrMJ/xQ=; b=qwkLGdzBQUDkXy5SHNJ9fxkINKjWC6ptVB6KhvZQoRylkWDhqqUOWoJNSsxZOuCq0Y dlO+RdTbP4zc16vCaHTwEBM60khf2Y0u6xsXcsGUJ7LboZUAY7XrKERKA0KK6IcNqbVp DAH/Hyk7DT7sGmj33/BSPgSIo3Ob900YnKobw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sGJFO5xooWeDEymIHmUjWUe6IEam3xGgSiIZN8hRr5fPBSBhGjIirI3Q9S4rn7bIFK z2oe8a+R2QKlcCqfwdUUaU+AomLCLTdNLUCpmOm7/6YKEwX6BZOWI7dN0r1W8HYSgRKf KWpwn9KBxHzpflcGbKRElX18cDOgxQDvs9nB8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.74.1 with SMTP id b1mr10177918ybl.1.1245629773758; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:16:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090620231004.7A5C150AFD@nyi.unixathome.org> References: <20090620231004.7A5C150AFD@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:16:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Michel Di Croci To: Dan Langille , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-06-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:41:31 -0000 Is it me or this is really annoying and dating? I don't know for you, but for me 2 Dec 2008 is not recent. Is it because there's no submitting or simply because it's broken? Thanks Michel On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > archives > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > RECENT ARTICLES: > > 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers > If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you > want. > http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 > > 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN > If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 > > 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority > How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 > > 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running > Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 > > 5-Oct : Removing dead mailing lists from Mailman > Mailing lists can outlive their usefulness > http://freebsddiary.org/mailman-removing-dead-lists.php?2 > > 30-Aug : gmirror - recovering from a failed HDD > an HDD failed. gmirror to the rescue. > http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror-failure.php?2 > > 6-Jul : ezjail - A jail administration framework > This makes jails easier > http://freebsddiary.org/ezjail.php?2 > > 24-Jun : Adding gmirror to an existing installation > Adding RAID-1 to an existing FreeBSD 7 installation > http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror.php?2 > > 20-Mar : ThinkPad x61s > Unpacking the box, installing PC-BSD > http://freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php?2 > > 17-Mar : Using two monitors with X.org > The GeForce 8600 GT with two monitors > http://freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php?2 > > > -- > Dan Langille > BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 00:42:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA6010656A3 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A557E8FC1C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379FF50AE2; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HlynDSKvSbLy; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [10.8.1.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B229450A50; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from polo.unixathome.org (polo.unixathome.org [10.55.0.23]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4A3B84D; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A3ECF55.8070607@langille.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:24:53 -0400 From: Dan Langille User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michel Di Croci References: <20090620231004.7A5C150AFD@nyi.unixathome.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-06-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:42:01 -0000 Michel Di Croci wrote: > Is it me or this is really annoying and dating? I don't know for you, > but for me 2 Dec 2008 is not recent. Is it because there's no submitting > or simply because it's broken? http://www.freebsddiary.org/ confirms it is not broken. The original script included only articles posted within the past two weeks. Hence 'recent'. It was 'recently' suggested that the post should include the last few articles regardless of date. > > Thanks > > Michel > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Dan Langille > wrote: > > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > with the aim of letting people > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > archives > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . > > RECENT ARTICLES: > > 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers > If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is > what you want. > http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 > > 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN > If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 > > 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority > How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 > > 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running > Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office > http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 > > 5-Oct : Removing dead mailing lists from Mailman > Mailing lists can outlive their usefulness > http://freebsddiary.org/mailman-removing-dead-lists.php?2 > > 30-Aug : gmirror - recovering from a failed HDD > an HDD failed. gmirror to the rescue. > http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror-failure.php?2 > > 6-Jul : ezjail - A jail administration framework > This makes jails easier > http://freebsddiary.org/ezjail.php?2 > > 24-Jun : Adding gmirror to an existing installation > Adding RAID-1 to an existing FreeBSD 7 installation > http://freebsddiary.org/gmirror.php?2 > > 20-Mar : ThinkPad x61s > Unpacking the box, installing PC-BSD > http://freebsddiary.org/thinkpad-x61s.php?2 > > 17-Mar : Using two monitors with X.org > The GeForce 8600 GT with two monitors > http://freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php?2 > > > -- > Dan Langille > BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 01:39:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DCE106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8128FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0E47E83F for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:39:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:39:27 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <441vpdmr31.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906211739.28012.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: kern.securelevel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:39:31 -0000 On Sunday 21 June 2009 12:30:26 Tim Judd wrote: > On 6/21/09, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Tim Judd writes: > >> Something dawned on me. FreeBSD/Open/Net are all well secured > >> systems. On an Internet-facing router, would applying a higher > >> kern.securelevel provide any better, tighter, higher security if the > >> machine was broken into? Given you need to lower the securelevel > >> before multiuser, it is a reasonable to think raising the securelevel > >> will give higher comfort feeling? > > > > I can't understand your last sentence. > > Let me try to rephrase it. > When securelevel is raised, to lower it to accomplish a task such as > installworld or something, you have to comment/lower the level in the > rc.conf and reboot in order to reach the lower level. Actually, securelevel is often used to prevent editing of /etc files during service time, as mounts cannot be set to write once marked read-only. So one would first have to reboot, go into single user mode and then do installworld. The reason to prevent access to /etc is to prevent exploits on next reboot, by starting a service or modifying the path to a service. You would have to see how much you change files in /etc and whether the application in question can be configured without editing, like for pf using tables and anchors. That's one aspect of what Lowell Gilbert means with "getting in the way of operations you need". > I dunno, this is a new idea I had on internet-facing routers (not > necessarily for secured servers or anything). Just trying to get the > public's feel of who might be using it, why they're using it, and if > they feel safer using it. For pf there's an additional advantage for const tables: they cannot be modified at all, if securelevel is 2. I use such a table for the private networks that cannot enter $ext_if. Overall, securelevel should be seen as reinforced doors inside the house: they slow down or prevent more disaster, once a thief is already inside. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 03:24:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89201065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976268FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124E319B7D57; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5M3OI7U001636; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:24:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:24:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Al Plant Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:24:27 -0000 On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > is working well. > > > > is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? Thre's an excellent article: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt Don't be scared because of .de - it's in English. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 04:25:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9D8106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568A78FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5M4PPE1094354; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090622042523.GA64817@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Al Plant Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:25:32 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:24:18AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:42:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 09:18:55AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > > HP Tech Support gave me advice to replace it with FreeBSD 7.2. Try it > > > from a flash drive first to test everything then replace the Ubunto. > > > > > > I hear some people on the list have FreeBSD on Asus Eee net books and it > > > is working well. > > > > > > > is there a particular url[s], or should i just google? > > Thre's an excellent article: > > http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt > > Don't be scared because of .de - it's in English. :-) dank. i'll check it out when i havw evo up. rt now i'm still using mutt. (until/if they have a gvim plugin for evo, i'm staying with mutt and my Beloved: vi ;-) one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! gary > > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 04:53:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0241065674 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE38FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5M4rs8N094545 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:53:51 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090622045351.GA64925@thought.org> References: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Subject: Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:53:56 -0000 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > current technology? > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > need. > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > not to be a stickler for information, but it looks like i've been living in a cave. i WAS going to post somethiing like: ``in 3 to 5 years when they have flash/SS drive with 64G...'' blah, blah.... and already this one with the intel Atom processor claims to' have 40 gigs now [!]. it doesn't seem that credible. the last time i checked the 2G sticks were common. -g From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 05:01:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887CD106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464898FC14 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0713CB12; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:01:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5M51LVV003952; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:01:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:01:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090622070121.204eb878.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090622042523.GA64817@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090622042523.GA64817@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:01:29 -0000 On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? > it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not > sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! Actually, it's Monday morning in Germany: % date Mon Jun 22 06:59:58 CEST 2009 I'm up since 2:00 in the "morning" (night). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 05:26:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3A8106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974C38FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp-93-104-106-176.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.106.176]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACD61842F7B9; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:26:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5M5Qxbo002265; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:26:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:26:59 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090622052659.GA2232@current.Sisis.de> References: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:26:35 -0000 El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > current technology? > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > need. > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > gary You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 06:45:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B351C1065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BB528FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2009 06:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.254.2]) [79.107.175.113] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu002) with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 08:45:00 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18XsNkrOwwXRLupn1O35COcc9pb3RAvUfDsdaQQ/a Usd5XOdVJpW5rM Message-ID: <4A3F283E.8060108@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:44:14 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikos Vassiliadis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F04D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090620223103.GA19062@free.bsd.loc> In-Reply-To: <20090620223103.GA19062@free.bsd.loc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.8100000000000001 Cc: Subject: Re: off topic: unmanageable switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:45:03 -0000 Thanks everybody for the info! I'll probably go with the TP-Links. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 06:48:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37686106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 807128FC15 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jun 2009 06:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.254.2]) [79.107.175.113] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 08:48:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/r4FEi3F3rIOVHVmgPXeeCuUFMqKjHhgnIOwqj+Q jrbn1TzKJavH5g Message-ID: <4A3F2904.6070806@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:47:32 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David N References: <4A3B66ED.40506@gmx.com> <2b677bda0906190637h45e135bfk5f47762d3c15badb@mail.gmail.com> <4A3C2309.3030206@gmx.com> <4d7dd86f0906191720r26360eb4j6ea0c53ccb61f720@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0906191720r26360eb4j6ea0c53ccb61f720@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: off topic: unmanageable switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:48:11 -0000 David N wrote: > 2009/6/20 Nikos Vassiliadis : >> Jerry B. Altzman wrote: >>> Do you require Gigabit ethernet or no? >> That, I don't know yet... but given that they want to build >> a solid infrastructure that will be worth of using for the >> years to come, most probably yes. >> >> Environmental conditions will be normal, everything will be >> indoor. And I *think* the power levels will be normal as well >> (Wojciech mentioned that D-Links have been sensitive to power >> spikes). >> >> I have found that D-Link are quite cheap and somebody on the >> list suggested them. In that price range TP-LINK is also a >> choice. Anybody advises against TP-LINK? >> >> Thanks a bunch for your answers, Nikos >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > We've deployed a few DLink and Linksys unmanaged switches and are > working fine. The only issue with the DLink ones are the external > power supply (4-8 port desktop switches), they are pretty flakey, > usually need a replacement within a few months of operations, but > after buying a replacement from the radio shack/dick smith/jay car..., > they're usually fine. > > Linksys switches have a limited lifetime warranty (whatever that > means) on the gigabit 24 port switches. > DLink have about 3 to 5 years depending. > TP Link and Repotec I'm unsure of, the website doesn't list anything > and neither does my supplier. My guess would be 1 year. > > The TP Link ones are pretty much no frills, I have a 8 port 10/100 and > can max it out without and problems. Thanks David, the warranty factor was not on my table until you mentioned it. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 07:04:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81EB1065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav3.lyse.net (asav3.lyse.net [81.167.37.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F178FC15 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E3784035 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:04:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from phobos.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) by asav3.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F888403E for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:04:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:04:35 +0200 From: kenneth hatteland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: problem upgrading ports : something wrong with cups ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:04:56 -0000 Whenever I run portmaster -a it fails with several ports : The message I get is that someway cups interferes and the here it is : pkg_info: package cups-base-1.3.10_2 has no origin recorded If I use portmaster on single ports those who do not have any printing ability ( no cups dependancy I guess ? ) will function as expected, but not scribus etc. If I try to delete, reinstall or install cups I get the same message quickly and the process is halted with error code 1 as usual.. Is there anyone who can see what I have done wrong on the system ? I have thought of manually removing the cups files in var in hope to be able to reinstall but I do not know what I am doing so it would be a shot in the dark..... I will provide system output if needed. Blessed be Kenneth Hatteland From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 08:10:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978591065698 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.w.barnes@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8458FC1F for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.w.barnes@gmail.com) Received: by ewy11 with SMTP id 11so4142485ewy.19 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:10:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lQKcPb1iVOBY3ExYE/5wuc8fSw9+hPf2cjOjUNaVrMo=; b=Avrmk0417JV2TiwckiTR/tUyoxEhuIsEyOSQccW1t7u/inxKHxUdca5Y0hKFL4yISB rPExEm6hP83mtLFK86yGQswnNP6Kq2lu+BwYQW8/H834Usx7TvMPTNBecn7Mz3SI2Rie EFyojf7tnTlVyXhrRST+M8/g+UdDil1BCBHF4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tPHVyu3UqBT8vxK1FjPpXem5IsLY9AVsOhIZMetGjvUT6yKYwGlmEjSTEYMzGZDmBy DqF07140mzgX0v0OSRnaDqiRl1BEFZZyc/ve8AbLydkh2PSGa7Yp/AuNqa72HL1nWilX 9Yd1ZFD7agsfevh1rEDskcyrsFjuGKebpWwFg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.49.209 with SMTP id x59mr2084563web.195.1245656849786; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:47:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jason Barnes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: fortran in AMD64 FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:10:31 -0000 I have recently migrated to FreeBSD 7. In doing so I realized that g77 is no longer provided with the OS (no jokes about Fortran use, plz ;) this is legacy code). The online resources that I've found suggest installing the "gfortran" port, however I don't see one in my ports tree for 7.2-RELEASE. I'd use ifc but that's marked as i386 only and I'm on an AMD64 box. How do I get g77 running on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE? Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide with my conundrum . . . - Jason From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 08:24:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB41065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6EA8FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E597E837 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:24:23 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:24:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200906220024.22683.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:24:25 -0000 On Sunday 21 June 2009 10:38:39 danny wrote: > At the moment I am focuing the attention to the '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. > The question that arose is the following: is there any automated way to > check if any of the port to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes > written in that file ? /usr/sbin/pkg_updating, but it's flaky since /usr/ports/UPDATING is human written. It's a school example of a file that should really be XML: human readable/writeable and machine parseable, but it's not. So we end up with entries like: AFFECTS: users of Japanese and Chinese fonts AFFECTS: users of linux Fedora 8 infrastructure ports AFFECTS: users of Tcl/Tk which cannot ever be translated to ports by a machine. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 08:26:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296441065677 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1778FC1B for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0C07E83F for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:26:01 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:26:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A3E63B0.2030308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906220026.01030.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Intel i915 / Xorg issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:26:02 -0000 On Sunday 21 June 2009 09:11:51 Francisco Cabrita wrote: > s/rc.cond/rc.conf :) > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Francisco Cabrita < > > francisco.cabrita@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I had the same problem here. > > > > Just install those ports and add them to rc.cond or rc.conf.local > > > > hal_enable="YES" and s/hal/hald/ -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 08:49:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E4F106564A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD88FC19 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIfDK-0005JU-FZ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:49:21 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MIfDJ-0007dH-Gw; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:49:17 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5M8nGUd000136; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:49:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5M8nG4O000135; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:49:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:49:16 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: kenneth hatteland Message-ID: <20090622084916.GA99996@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem upgrading ports : something wrong with cups ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:49:22 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:04:35AM +0200, kenneth hatteland wrote: > Whenever I run portmaster -a it fails with several ports : The message I > get is that someway cups interferes and the here it is : pkg_info: > package cups-base-1.3.10_2 has no origin recorded > > > If I use portmaster on single ports those who do not have any printing > ability ( no cups dependancy I guess ? ) will function as expected, but > not scribus etc. > > If I try to delete, reinstall or install cups I get the same message > quickly and the process is halted with error code 1 as usual.. > > Is there anyone who can see what I have done wrong on the system ? > I have thought of manually removing the cups files in var in hope to be > able to reinstall but I do not know what I am doing so it would be a > shot in the dark..... > > I will provide system output if needed. hard to guess from what you've written. Check the other 2 cups ports: # pkg_info -xo cups Information for cups-base-1.3.10_2: Origin: print/cups-base Information for cups-client-1.3.10_2: Origin: print/cups-client Information for cups-image-1.3.10_2: Origin: print/cups-image # -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 08:51:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940F91065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517A38FC18 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIfFj-0005Re-I8; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:49 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MIfFj-0001Ka-5o; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:47 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5M8pkpm000155; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5M8pkTC000154; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:51:46 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Jason Barnes Message-ID: <20090622085146.GB99996@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fortran in AMD64 FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:51:50 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:47:29AM -0700, Jason Barnes wrote: > I have recently migrated to FreeBSD 7. In doing so I realized > that g77 is no longer provided with the OS (no jokes about Fortran > use, plz ;) this is legacy code). The online resources that I've > found suggest installing the "gfortran" port, however I don't see one > in my ports tree for 7.2-RELEASE. I'd use ifc but that's marked as > i386 only and I'm on an AMD64 box. > How do I get g77 running on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE? Thanks in > advance for any help that you can provide with my conundrum . . . gfortran is part of lang/gcc* ports. You can try gcc43, gcc44 or gcc45, for gfortran43, gfortran44 or gfortran45 respectively. I also use lang/g95. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 09:12:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF6D1065677 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B66D8FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5M9CKWO079498; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5M9CK9P079497; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:20 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Karl Vogel Message-ID: <20090622091220.GA79438@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Karl Vogel , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A3994BC.1000600@ibctech.ca> <20090619190555.2F839BEE7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090619190555.2F839BEE7@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:25 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing my login directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:12:28 -0000 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 03:05:55PM -0400, Karl Vogel typed: > >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:13:32 -0400, > >> Steve Bertrand said: > > S> I've got a couple of jails now that I use exclusively for Perl > S> development. As soon as I log into the box via SSH, my first command is > S> _always_ "cd devel/something". I'd like to make it so that '~' remains > S> /home/steve, but when I log in, I would prefer to be dropped immediately > S> into /home/steve/devel. > > This reminded me of how I deal with lots of directories. If you > have a project with files spread all over the place, here's a way to > navigate between 20-25 directories with no more than 3-4 keystrokes. > First, install the "grabchars" program: > http://examples.oreilly.com/upt3/split/grabchars/grabchars/ > > It's very useful for capturing and validating keystrokes from within > a shell script. For example: > ans=`grabchars -q'Answer y or n: '` > > will print "Answer y or n: ", and it will store your reply after > pressing just one key, no need to hit return. Combine this with a > function to change your current directory and you're in business; > it has to be done in a shell function rather than a separate script > because it modifies your current shell working directory. No need for any external programs. The following shell script does the same: > more readkey.sh echo -n "Press any key: " stty cbreak -echo KEY=$(dd bs=1 count=1 2>/dev/null) stty -cbreak echo echo echo "You pressed the \"$KEY\" key." Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 10:12:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADFE106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA958FC21 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIgVq-0003oq-Gb; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:34 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MIgVp-0000vX-LS; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:30 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5MACTQ5000612; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5MACS6b000610; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:28 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: kenneth hatteland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622101228.GB555@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> <20090622084916.GA99996@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> <4A3F560E.1040409@kleppnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A3F560E.1040409@kleppnett.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: Subject: Re: problem upgrading ports : something wrong with cups ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:12:35 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:59:42AM +0200, kenneth hatteland wrote: > There is no listed origin in this either. I am not sure what this means ;( > > kenneth > > [root@phobos /usr/ports/print/cups-base]# pkg_info -xo cups > Information for cups-base-1.3.10_2: > > Origin: > I'd try to 1. portmaster --force-config cups-base or failing that 2. cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base make deinstall make distclean make install see how this goes. If you get errors, post the logs here, this might help. And remind us what is your platform. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 11:24:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA901065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mail.gelita.se (212-162-182-244.skbbip.com [212.162.182.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205A8FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from www.eskk.nu (localhost.gelita.se [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gelita.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04B810EDFB; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 89.233.255.168 (proxying for 192.168.0.55) (SquirrelMail authenticated user leslie) by www.eskk.nu with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:08:31 +0200 Message-ID: <14870c7d2f6f53d1820f4e4e27f2a2c7.squirrel@www.eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> References: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:08:31 +0200 From: "Leslie Jensen" To: "kenneth hatteland" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Troback-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: D04B810EDFB.714E6 X-Troback-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Troback-MailScanner-From: leslie@eskk.nu X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem upgrading ports : something wrong with cups ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:24:24 -0000 > Whenever I run portmaster -a it fails with several ports : The message I > get is that someway cups interferes and the here it is : pkg_info: > package cups-base-1.3.10_2 has no origin recorded > > > If I use portmaster on single ports those who do not have any printing > ability ( no cups dependancy I guess ? ) will function as expected, but > not scribus etc. > > If I try to delete, reinstall or install cups I get the same message > quickly and the process is halted with error code 1 as usual.. > > Is there anyone who can see what I have done wrong on the system ? > I have thought of manually removing the cups files in var in hope to be > able to reinstall but I do not know what I am doing so it would be a > shot in the dark..... > > I will provide system output if needed. > > Blessed be > Kenneth Hatteland > > > Have you read the 20090516 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING? /Leslie -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 11:26:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860F61065686 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD028FC15 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MBQ7IQ080508 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5MBQ7DW080507 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:07 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,J_CHICKENPOX_83 autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:11 -0000 Hi, Can enybody explain why the http accept filter only works on GET/HEAD requests? The reason I ask is I was checking up on the slowloris DOS tool (http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/slowloris.pl) and, like others before me, found that the -httpready switch (which uses POST instead of GET) renders the accf_http module useless as a protection against this kind of attack. Recompiling the module for caching POST requests as well (see small patch below) seems to work. At least the slowloris tool can no longer be used to DOS apache. Also, I've checked that CGI script using POST still work. But I hesitate to go and use this in production. There must have been a reason why POST was not implemented in the http accept filter and doing this might break things? Ruben # cd /usr/src/sys/netinet # diff -u accf_http.c.orig accf_http.c --- accf_http.c.orig 2007-11-11 13:32:12.000000000 +0000 +++ accf_http.c 2009-06-22 10:42:35.000000000 +0000 @@ -38,7 +38,7 @@ #include #include -/* check for GET/HEAD */ +/* check for GET/HEAD/POST */ static void sohashttpget(struct socket *so, void *arg, int waitflag); /* check for HTTP/1.0 or HTTP/1.1 */ static void soparsehttpvers(struct socket *so, void *arg, int waitflag); @@ -178,6 +178,9 @@ case 'H': STRSETUP(cmp, cmplen, "EAD "); break; + case 'P': + STRSETUP(cmp, cmplen, "OST "); + break; default: goto fallout; } # cd /usr/src/sys/modules/accf_http/ # make && make install # kldload accf_http From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 12:43:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8B51065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D16608FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67039 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 12:42:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Virus-Scanned; b=TkD8qxr/FJDZzVvjABwggwsFwD2o30KLRv67NP5MBR/HcH2jjF8S5RCxCf1+qkBF/rYLKVg9+IVsQxru8BeT1azUsIPhbXhfoJrY9cWq4T0NRmb+6lf4uftLFBOcMRiPTR2QgI/iBuAYVpPSwm/lok7mn2HjeT0tS2GfvDJ3NZA= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp105.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 05:42:59 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: XyHAAc4VM1lHj4XEPkenhyN3ENPxbrg_c1ASIzuQy.fMbDJP8B3eciszwRFHUjjIBAVsonTjX9bEymdrRVW_tTbpDEo_ERdWWzRidz4ig.z9DqKW3bZXEOmxR490YLp2TYInp.X6oFbzfr2e9Lxnn6g.IqcmuG8i0oI0rplwtrdlcKwjarxuQ_xDd8r_kKqwqgFYG7WcaYKGQLC0mK0YwB6TftMSGVfk7FAGaeUyNAm5Z7Osn86B.LU1lE0FyGl9yyYkvAHSHFyoWC_jmSLpRfmL1AIftVdyvk89Ae4VVicDdeCxUfQTE2i4WWie79ECWONKXJRinZWAsUNvE8r99vGntNAi5E.pb5g5vUJhBQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B274E228D9 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@yahoo.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 758B6228D8 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:42:58 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622084258.2c8798a5@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20090622101228.GB555@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <4A3F2D03.8070604@kleppnett.no> <20090622084916.GA99996@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> <4A3F560E.1040409@kleppnett.no> <20090622101228.GB555@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: problem upgrading ports : something wrong with cups ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:43:00 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:28 +0100 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:59:42AM +0200, kenneth hatteland wrote: > > There is no listed origin in this either. I am not sure what this > > means ;( > > > > kenneth > > > > [root@phobos /usr/ports/print/cups-base]# pkg_info -xo cups > > Information for cups-base-1.3.10_2: > > > > Origin: > > > > I'd try to > > 1. portmaster --force-config cups-base > > or failing that > > 2. cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base > make deinstall > make distclean > make install > > see how this goes. If you get errors, post the logs here, this might > help. > > And remind us what is your platform. > You could try: pkg_delete -dfv cups* Then install using the cups meta port: Port: cups-1.3.10 Path: /usr/ports/print/cups Info: Common UNIX Printing System: Metaport to install complete system Personally, I would use: "portmanager print/cups -l" Be sure to update your ports tree prior to reinstalling anything. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com A pound of salt will not sweeten a single cup of tea. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com FORTUNE'S FUN FACTS TO KNOW AND TELL: #14 According to Kentucky state law, every person must take a bath at least once a year. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 12:56:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67361065673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650098FC25 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:56:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.mehler@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so3783280ewy.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:56:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:reply-to:from:to:subject:date :organization:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index; bh=2u1mHRidE5d1wPjgmQl7EiTQzPNQ6yD+4EuHAuKRqSY=; b=KvOuOy+MqZVkB57JsMtl5ixeWLk8QupnHIf21DrY56YEZzNB/6V6zPfBSVLXLcaQHC +MvcFutfjFtxQzMgRHSAhEatBQDZqQABuvkuGJTc+I/PEFlB0PVTQbspVu1N+R2jgS7A MR3aXMOO3ZFmuP3TKV12dvyRGpbskNA30vqFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=reply-to:from:to:subject:date:organization:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole :thread-index; b=G2RW4+/GBtPXtpwMsSR8dOYZZIKE3dwzVYGtLhBIxAyA4c1kD6iImRVDiybyCuHXuC rp2alNVeny3J00J2p7FTpxhP4iyGZvnyGfhcTGF4+ULYNf0gGRbvnZRMhGa7Ue/zGCwH GXR2D0ucdmBx4Nfll0vSjq3f+lMYc9A4OWOko= Received: by 10.211.195.15 with SMTP id x15mr7323910ebp.62.1245675414329; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades ([99.32.58.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm49529eyg.14.2009.06.22.05.56.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave" To: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:56:49 -0400 Organization: davemehler.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnzOOfszXGmKmwNRdiwZfqJC7c3Yw== Subject: freebsd cups port, pdf virtual printer, and encryption X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dave.mehler@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:56:56 -0000 Hello, I've installed cups-base on freebsd 7.2. I've also installed cups-pdf for virtual pdf printing and set an appropriate output directory for files. In cupsd.conf i've added in a Listen option for the network interface attached to the local subnet and tried to add the pdf virtual printer. I'm getting two errors, one error stating that there was a problem with the ssl certificate, the other no specific error message but i'm brought back to the printer options page where i can turn on debugging share the printer etc. and i'm never given the option to add it. I want to export this pdf printer to samba. Is there something new with encryption? Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 12:59:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CBD106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7465E8FC13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7559FEBC0A; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:59:52 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: prad Message-Id: <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:59:54 -0000 In response to prad : > > > Sure, there's 1000000000 things. Start by running a nmap scan from a > > different computer and see what ports are open. Investigate each > > program listening on those ports to ensure it's properly secured. > > ok this is really neat! > we did the scan and found what the open ports are. > so the first one we changed was the ssh. > then a friend said he assigns ports that are not used in /etc/services, > so i presume this means for instance if we change the http port, we'll > have to tell our http server to do business on that port? Moving programs to different ports is not a viable security technique. It really only slows down a potential attacker a little bit. My point in suggesting the port scan was for _you_ to know, conclusively, what programs are potential attack vectors. Moving your web server to a different port will make it difficult for people you _want_ to use it to find it. And it won't make it significantly more difficult for attackers. > is this what you mean by ensuring that the program listening on a port > is properly secured? or is there something else? Every program has its own list of steps to secure it. Once you know what programs need to be secured, you can then address each one individually. For example, it seems you've already taken reasonable steps with sshd, by disabling password login and only using keys. You can go a few steps further by ensuring that the only accounts that can login are those that you want to have access, and then installing a program that automatically blocks IPs that have too many failed login attempts. With all programs, you want to make sure that you've got the latest versions that have all known bugs patched. With apache, you should disable modules that you aren't using, and ensure that any interpreters (such as PHP) are limited to only the functionality that is needed. It's also good general practice to configure a packet filter (such as pf or ipfw) that only allows traffic that you know is good. That way, if someone manages to install a trojan, it's neutered because it can't communicate back to its control site. > > Making secure web forms is too complex to discuss in a single email. > > > ok we'll look into this further. we really don't have too many web > forms and the forum software we use is punbb which i think they > (rickard et al) take good care of. Again, make sure you keep this software up to date, so you have the latest bug fixes. Installing portaudit and making sure you get the nightly emails from it is a good idea. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 14:59:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0771065673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7AB8FC12 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5MEwvO5027324; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:59:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A3E4503B8; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539FD503DB; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:58:56 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: backdoor threat Thread-Index: AcnzOX0iBscPl7DwQWqAGxhniXloHQAEE8Wg References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom><20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com><20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Bill Moran" , "prad" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2009 14:58:56.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[F79F3C60:01C9F349] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:59:44 -0000 OK - this thread is scaring me. Anything that involves a "backdoor" threat is very concerning - I keep looking over my shoulder to make sure no one is sneaking up on me! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Moran Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:00 AM To: prad Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: backdoor threat In response to prad : >=20 > > Sure, there's 1000000000 things. Start by running a nmap scan from a > > different computer and see what ports are open. Investigate each > > program listening on those ports to ensure it's properly secured. > > ok this is really neat! > we did the scan and found what the open ports are. > so the first one we changed was the ssh. > then a friend said he assigns ports that are not used in /etc/services, > so i presume this means for instance if we change the http port, we'll > have to tell our http server to do business on that port? Moving programs to different ports is not a viable security technique. It really only slows down a potential attacker a little bit. My point in suggesting the port scan was for _you_ to know, conclusively, what programs are potential attack vectors. Moving your web server to a different port will make it difficult for people you _want_ to use it to find it. And it won't make it significantly more difficult for attackers. > is this what you mean by ensuring that the program listening on a port > is properly secured? or is there something else? Every program has its own list of steps to secure it. Once you know what programs need to be secured, you can then address each one individually. For example, it seems you've already taken reasonable steps with sshd, by disabling password login and only using keys. You can go a few steps further by ensuring that the only accounts that can login are those that you want to have access, and then installing a program that automatically blocks IPs that have too many failed login attempts. With all programs, you want to make sure that you've got the latest versions that have all known bugs patched. With apache, you should disable modules that you aren't using, and ensure that any interpreters (such as PHP) are limited to only the functionality that is needed. It's also good general practice to configure a packet filter (such as pf or ipfw) that only allows traffic that you know is good. That way, if someone manages to install a trojan, it's neutered because it can't communicate back to its control site. > > Making secure web forms is too complex to discuss in a single email. > >=20 > ok we'll look into this further. we really don't have too many web > forms and the forum software we use is punbb which i think they > (rickard et al) take good care of. Again, make sure you keep this software up to date, so you have the latest bug fixes. Installing portaudit and making sure you get the nightly emails from it is a good idea. --=20 Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:14:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DCD106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF238FC26 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MFEnDC000728; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:14:47 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090622151446.GA66962@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090622042523.GA64817@thought.org> <20090622070121.204eb878.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622070121.204eb878.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:57 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:01:21AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:23 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > one q, polyt. am i mis-reading the timestamp on your mail? > > it reads 05:24 which is getting pretty late. i admit to not > > sacking out until 04:09 this morning, but hey, it's sunday! > > Actually, it's Monday morning in Germany: > > % date > Mon Jun 22 06:59:58 CEST 2009 > > I'm up since 2:00 in the "morning" (night). > ok, sorry. "Brain fault: Core dump" :-) gary > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:36:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23311065673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D17D8FC1A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5857FEBC0A; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:36:10 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Gary Gatten" Message-Id: <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:36:14 -0000 In response to "Gary Gatten" : > OK - this thread is scaring me. Anything that involves a "backdoor" > threat is very concerning - I keep looking over my shoulder to make sure > no one is sneaking up on me! My job here is done ... In my experience, most people don't take the steps necessary to really secure their systems. But it's all a tradeoff. If I'm running an online banking site, then I'm going to go all out to ensure that all the required steps are made to secure the system, otherwise I'm not going to stay in business very long. But if I'm selling ringtones over the internet, or running a site for flash games that makes money off banner ads, how diligent should I be? I mean, if someone breaks in, how much do I lose? I'm not storing anyone's credit card numbers, so I just have to deal with a couple days of downtime while I fix the server. And chances are nobody is going to break into my system anyway, since I don't have anything worth stealing. Of course, the flaw in that reasoning is that while you may not care, the rest of the internet is getting bombed by the botnet that you've joined by your carelessness. The counter-argument to that is that you can't afford what it would cost to _really_ secure a system like that. And it's not justified if the information isn't sensitive anyway. So, yes. Keep looking over your shoulder. _Someone_ is sneaking up on you. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:39:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35971065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f200.google.com (mail-yx0-f200.google.com [209.85.210.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666428FC22 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexus@gmail.com) Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so2137830yxe.3 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dAHZMmbhV5HBske1YbPi3Ypvac5XMO0yE9OcXV+fAR8=; b=vET3HYN/GSARlYtcvbVfkB/FdExTgSiKA/0W3t5AeOfUR6d7RqHNo5SEhRR7H/8pUG yMVCQTN3KaU3wl/EWovgobrPv2eR/grn71olsrQVuzhG0W/eQuBzvMsHtngjCe4aEV2w RZVTXZCbYawlTXqabz1ta/w1OnPhRQ8RqtMds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ckad3czSXOSlY+OpeicakPKxq5Gxp9qh/xcDTAJ6CX05me0AbcYAcg5HD4FhLO7flH TJMQ9UZmS5T9lzQMLUePra94+RAimjXyH7bIWMNT5pUeKq1qRI9QZ0vcwaWAvGvs/lrt KRNgvgZ0jft5p7B+ZnPH2zjy3gRpkK3plmT+I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.38.19 with SMTP id q19mr11583375ybj.76.1245685161618; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <6ae50c2d0906220839y1f9431aeg2646578b2a87a248@mail.gmail.com> From: alexus To: Bill Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: Re: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:39:23 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Bill Moran wrot= e: > In response to "Gary Gatten" : > >> OK - this thread is scaring me. =C2=A0Anything that involves a "backdoor= " >> threat is very concerning - I keep looking over my shoulder to make sure >> no one is sneaking up on me! > > My job here is done ... > > In my experience, most people don't take the steps necessary to really > secure their systems. =C2=A0But it's all a tradeoff. =C2=A0If I'm running= an online > banking site, then I'm going to go all out to ensure that all the require= d > steps are made to secure the system, otherwise I'm not going to stay in > business very long. > > But if I'm selling ringtones over the internet, or running a site for fla= sh > games that makes money off banner ads, how diligent should I be? =C2=A0I = mean, > if someone breaks in, how much do I lose? =C2=A0I'm not storing anyone's = credit > card numbers, so I just have to deal with a couple days of downtime while > I fix the server. =C2=A0And chances are nobody is going to break into my = system > anyway, since I don't have anything worth stealing. > > Of course, the flaw in that reasoning is that while you may not care, the > rest of the internet is getting bombed by the botnet that you've joined > by your carelessness. > > The counter-argument to that is that you can't afford what it would cost > to _really_ secure a system like that. =C2=A0And it's not justified if th= e > information isn't sensitive anyway. > > So, yes. =C2=A0Keep looking over your shoulder. =C2=A0_Someone_ is sneaki= ng up on > you. > > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com > http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I would also try to patch your FreeBSD, bringing it up-to-date --=20 http://alexus.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:45:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644E1106564A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218908FC18 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from pd4ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.136]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2009 09:45:25 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=VNJVXYhBAAAA:8 a=lvbMJxvVAAAA:8 a=_CijBpxSZzowcfLbyr8A:9 a=1hVadUZSrD9vpyNvy04A:7 a=HjtQEtfysMneRCBrstQ7NtF7LMAA:4 a=nAPXUAfsBmEA:10 a=mC6ZnEx5j04A:10 Received: from unknown (HELO proven.lan) ([24.85.241.34]) by pd4ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2009 09:45:25 -0600 Received: from proven.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5MFjOH5078637; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5MFjOOQ078636; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: proven.lan: npapke set sender to npapke@acm.org using -f From: Norbert Papke Organization: Archaeological Filing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:23 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> Cc: Ruben de Groot , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:26 -0000 On June 22, 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > Can enybody explain why the http accept filter only works on GET/HEAD > requests? > > The reason I ask is I was checking up on the slowloris DOS tool > (http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/slowloris.pl) and, like others before me, > found that the -httpready switch (which uses POST instead of GET) renders > the accf_http module useless as a protection against this kind of attack. With the POST request, the client sends additional data after the header. This additonal data is the form data (the x-www-form-urlencoded encoded name-value pairs). The filter will allow the request to proceed to the application after the header as been received but before the form data has been received. A "slowloris" attack could exploit this fact by sending a complete header but then slowing doling out the form data. To protect against this scenario, the filter would need to be modified to collect the form data as well. Of course, it doesn't stop there. The filter would also have to deal with multi-part forms. Disclaimer: This is based on cursory reading of the code. Cheers, -- Norbert Papke. npapke@acm.org http://saveournet.ca Protecting your Internet's level playing field From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:45:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE7110657F4 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA78FC12 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5MFicYR026731; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:44:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E65851281; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:44:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0735E5127A; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:44:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F06A@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <6ae50c2d0906220839y1f9431aeg2646578b2a87a248@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: backdoor threat Thread-Index: AcnzT7ubqijNs9rRQOOijWL7TTbHXQAAHhCA References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6ae50c2d0906220839y1f9431aeg2646578b2a87a248@mail.gmail.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "alexus" , "Bill Moran" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2009 15:44:37.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[593E5400:01C9F350] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, prad Subject: RE: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:40 -0000 I guess you guys didn't get my humor in the "backdoor" threat? Geez, if fu= nny jokes aren't funny when no one gets them, and this reference was margin= al at best! -----Original Message----- From: alexus [mailto:alexus@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:39 AM To: Bill Moran Cc: Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; prad Subject: Re: backdoor threat On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Bill Moran wrot= e: > In response to "Gary Gatten" : > >> OK - this thread is scaring me. =A0Anything that involves a "backdoor" >> threat is very concerning - I keep looking over my shoulder to make sure >> no one is sneaking up on me! > > My job here is done ... > > In my experience, most people don't take the steps necessary to really > secure their systems. =A0But it's all a tradeoff. =A0If I'm running an on= line > banking site, then I'm going to go all out to ensure that all the required > steps are made to secure the system, otherwise I'm not going to stay in > business very long. > > But if I'm selling ringtones over the internet, or running a site for fla= sh > games that makes money off banner ads, how diligent should I be? =A0I mea= n, > if someone breaks in, how much do I lose? =A0I'm not storing anyone's cre= dit > card numbers, so I just have to deal with a couple days of downtime while > I fix the server. =A0And chances are nobody is going to break into my sys= tem > anyway, since I don't have anything worth stealing. > > Of course, the flaw in that reasoning is that while you may not care, the > rest of the internet is getting bombed by the botnet that you've joined > by your carelessness. > > The counter-argument to that is that you can't afford what it would cost > to _really_ secure a system like that. =A0And it's not justified if the > information isn't sensitive anyway. > > So, yes. =A0Keep looking over your shoulder. =A0_Someone_ is sneaking up = on > you. > > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com > http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I would also try to patch your FreeBSD, bringing it up-to-date --=20 http://alexus.org/
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:45:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C181065680 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172108FC1A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MFjoTL001015; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:47 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20090622154547.GB66962@thought.org> References: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> <20090622052659.GA2232@current.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090622052659.GA2232@current.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:45:53 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > > current technology? > > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > > need. > > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > > > gary > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers. since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival speech tools. i almost choked when i saw the windows touchscreen [heavy] device for 8000-9000 dollars! i thought, ...er, um, will the electrons would melt if i told my thoughts! in civil language, it blew me away. given all the brilliant, open-source stuff plus reasonably-sized (and *affordable*) hardware, it seems like i should be able to cobble something together at my non-profit paradigm for MUCH less than 8K thanks! gary > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 15:52:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E37B1065687 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90718FC19 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B7EA6EBC0A; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:52:24 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: "Gary Gatten" Message-Id: <20090622115224.16a128e4.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F06A@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6ae50c2d0906220839y1f9431aeg2646578b2a87a248@mail.gmail.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F06A@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:52:27 -0000 In response to "Gary Gatten" : > I guess you guys didn't get my humor in the "backdoor" threat? Geez, if funny jokes aren't funny when no one gets them, and this reference was marginal at best! Well, _now_ I get it. And jokes are almost never funny when you don't get them ... -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 16:14:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E3A106567B for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7628FC23 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from pd4ml2so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.136]) by pd2mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2009 09:45:25 -0600 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=VNJVXYhBAAAA:8 a=lvbMJxvVAAAA:8 a=_CijBpxSZzowcfLbyr8A:9 a=1hVadUZSrD9vpyNvy04A:7 a=HjtQEtfysMneRCBrstQ7NtF7LMAA:4 a=nAPXUAfsBmEA:10 a=mC6ZnEx5j04A:10 Received: from unknown (HELO proven.lan) ([24.85.241.34]) by pd4ml2so-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2009 09:45:25 -0600 Received: from proven.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5MFjOH5078637; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by proven.lan (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5MFjOOQ078636; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npapke@acm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: proven.lan: npapke set sender to npapke@acm.org using -f From: Norbert Papke Organization: Archaeological Filing To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:23 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> Cc: Ruben de Groot , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:14:13 -0000 On June 22, 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > Can enybody explain why the http accept filter only works on GET/HEAD > requests? > > The reason I ask is I was checking up on the slowloris DOS tool > (http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/slowloris.pl) and, like others before me, > found that the -httpready switch (which uses POST instead of GET) renders > the accf_http module useless as a protection against this kind of attack. With the POST request, the client sends additional data after the header. This additonal data is the form data (the x-www-form-urlencoded encoded name-value pairs). The filter will allow the request to proceed to the application after the header as been received but before the form data has been received. A "slowloris" attack could exploit this fact by sending a complete header but then slowing doling out the form data. To protect against this scenario, the filter would need to be modified to collect the form data as well. Of course, it doesn't stop there. The filter would also have to deal with multi-part forms. Disclaimer: This is based on cursory reading of the code. Cheers, -- Norbert Papke. npapke@acm.org http://saveournet.ca Protecting your Internet's level playing field From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 16:23:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB34B1065675 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from dd12710.kasserver.com (dd12710.kasserver.com [85.13.134.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CC98FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from localhost.my.domain (ppp-88-217-52-224.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.52.224]) by dd12710.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1485184EC7CF; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:23:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5MGNbDu001943; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:23:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:23:37 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090622162337.GA1898@current.Sisis.de> References: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> <20090622052659.GA2232@current.Sisis.de> <20090622154547.GB66962@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090622154547.GB66962@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:23:40 -0000 El día Monday, June 22, 2009 a las 08:45:47AM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > > > current technology? > > > > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > > > need. > > > > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > > > > > gary > > > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); > > > > > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's > look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers. > since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue > me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything > X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max > out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd > computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility > apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival > speech tools. As I said, mine is the Asus EeePC 900 which has a 1 GHz Intel CPU, 1 GByte RAM and 20 GByte SSD; I run 8-CURRENT and KDE 3.5.10 on it, which all run fine and fast. The battery (6600 mAh) last around 4.5 hours. You may fetch my older (RELENG_7) installation guide frome here to get more details: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt HiH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 17:15:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5EA7106564A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275F88FC1C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MHFGRU083110; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5MHFGsa083109; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:16 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Norbert Papke Message-ID: <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Norbert Papke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:19 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:15:25 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Norbert Papke typed: > On June 22, 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > Can enybody explain why the http accept filter only works on GET/HEAD > > requests? > > > > The reason I ask is I was checking up on the slowloris DOS tool > > (http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/slowloris.pl) and, like others before me, > > found that the -httpready switch (which uses POST instead of GET) renders > > the accf_http module useless as a protection against this kind of attack. > > With the POST request, the client sends additional data after the header. > This additonal data is the form data (the x-www-form-urlencoded encoded > name-value pairs). The filter will allow the request to proceed to the > application after the header as been received but before the form data has > been received. > > A "slowloris" attack could exploit this fact by sending a complete header but > then slowing doling out the form data. Apparently, the current incarnation of the slowloris script doesn't do that, so adding POST to the methods handled by the http accept filter would protect me from script kiddies who want to attack my servers by this method. My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would break anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the POST method included in the http accept filter in the first place? > To protect against this scenario, the filter would need to be modified to > collect the form data as well. Of course, it doesn't stop there. The filter > would also have to deal with multi-part forms. Yes. It's an ongoing struggle. And the filter would probably soon become too complex to maintain in a kernel module :( > Disclaimer: This is based on cursory reading of the code. Thank you for you input. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 17:40:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1861065678 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8A8FC25 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MInVI-0002tE-RO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net ([70.67.176.112]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:24 +0000 Received: from prad by s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: prad Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:40:10 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <20090622104010.2bd8a5ed@gom> References: <20090619111234.6883afd2@gom> <20090619143935.6c28be98.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20090619183535.006433d1@gom> <20090622085952.9ef38eab.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F062@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090622113610.422cab85.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <6ae50c2d0906220839y1f9431aeg2646578b2a87a248@mail.gmail.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F06A@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090622115224.16a128e4.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Sender: news Subject: Re: backdoor threat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:40:28 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:52:24 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: > And jokes are almost never funny when you don't get them ... > quite true. furthermore, i have gotten some ideas from you, bill that had never occurred to me and i appreciate them very much. thanks to your wisdom as well we are examining our requirements for security. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 18:03:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B271065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2B18FC22 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MI3FIo002198; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:03:12 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20090622180312.GA67440@thought.org> References: <20090622003509.GA64139@thought.org> <20090622052659.GA2232@current.Sisis.de> <20090622154547.GB66962@thought.org> <20090622162337.GA1898@current.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20090622162337.GA1898@current.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: questions on the "ASUS Eee Pc 1000 40G" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:03:18 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 06:23:37PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Monday, June 22, 2009 a las 08:45:47AM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:26:59AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > El día Sunday, June 21, 2009 a las 05:35:14PM -0700, Gary Kline escribió: > > > > > > > i found two at newegg.com. both are the "Eee PC"; both come with > > > > linux. this one is the subject line seems to come with 40G of > > > > flash/solid state memory. Is this even possible for $400 given > > > > current technology? > > > > > > > > is there any FBSD version available? since it has an rj-45 lan > > > > jack, i will be able to download the text-to-speech software i'll > > > > need. > > > > > > > > any feedback? suggestions for fbsd-capable subnotebooks, etc?? > > > > > > > > gary > > > > > > You might want to check this page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > > > > > I run 8-CURRENT on an EeePC 900 (with 20 GByte SSD); > > > > > > > > > i have that page open [in another room]. all the asus Eee's > > look nice, but i'd like more meaty info on these computers. > > since you're already running 8 on the 900, maybe you can clue > > me in. what's the speed of your Atom CPU? CAn you run anything > > X--(X Window System)? also, how far can you go before you max > > out your computer? RAM, SSD? I only want todemo that a freebsd > > computer w/ keyboard can be used with the KDE accessibility > > apps. tts primarily. something i could use with the festival > > speech tools. > > As I said, mine is the Asus EeePC 900 which has a 1 GHz Intel CPU, 1 > GByte RAM and 20 GByte SSD; I run 8-CURRENT and KDE 3.5.10 on it, which > all run fine and fast. The battery (6600 mAh) last around 4.5 hours. Sounds impressive. The Eee series are definitely worth checking into to see if they--or one of them--is right for what I'm thinking of. > > You may fetch my older (RELENG_7) installation guide frome here to get > more details: http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt > > HiH YEs indeed! gary > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 18:14:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3F6106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from mx75.mail.ru (mx75.mail.ru [94.100.176.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169F88FC1A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from [85.140.0.198] (port=3903 helo=[192.168.1.227]) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1MIo2T-000GwV-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:14:41 +0400 Message-ID: <4A3FC9AD.5090501@inbox.ru> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:13:01 +0400 From: The Ghost Organization: Lamers Company, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A3FC048.1040406@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <4A3FC048.1040406@inbox.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: Re: CPU temperature on TUSL2-C X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:14:41 -0000 The Ghost wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. After a whole night > from dusk till dawn of searching the Web like a furious spider, I got > the following results: it can be done via either ISA or SMB, with one of > the ports: lmmon, healthd, consolehm or mbmon, and there are also few > modules that are required in the kernel: smb, smbus, intpm, ichsmb > (TUSL2-C has ICH so this is the one needed) and maybe also iic, iicsmb, > iicbb and nfsmb (I have included them just in case). The ones my system > reacted at was ichsmb (it finds my ICH) and smb (in creates a /dev/smb0 > device). It looks natural enough. > > When I'm trying to use mbmon, it fails with: > > PSYCHE:~> sudo mbmon > ioctl(smb0:writebyte): Device not configured > > I wonder what that means... I think it should work fine with mbmon, but > I can't fid the answer what this means. > > > > All the other fail also, and mbmon -I does not work either: > > PSYCHE:~> sudo mbmon -I > No ISA-IO HWM available!! > InitMBInfo: Unknown error: 0 > > PSYCHE:~> sudo lmmon > IOCTL: Device not configured > > PSYCHE:~> sudo lmmon -i > > Motherboard Temp Voltages > > 255C / 491F / 528K Vcore1: +3.984V > Vcore2: +3.984V > Fan Speeds + 3.3V: +3.984V > + 5.0V: +6.654V > 1: 0 rpm +12.0V: +15.938V > 2: 0 rpm -12.0V: -15.938V > 3: 0 rpm - 5.0V: -6.654V > > PSYCHE:~> sudo healthd -d -S > ************************ > * Hardware Information * > ************************ > Asus: AS99127F > ************************ > > Temp.= 36.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 > Vcore = 1.71, 1.71; Volt. = -0.66, 5.00, 12.25, -11.65, -5.02 > > (note that neither of the results seem to be real and they never change) > > PSYCHE:~> sudo healthd -d -I > ************************ > * Hardware Information * > ************************ > Unknown Vendor: ID = FFFF > ************************ > > Temp.= 255.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 > Vcore = 4.08, 4.08; Volt. = 4.08, 6.85, 15.50, -14.16, -6.12 > > (the same thing) > > PSYCHE:~> sudo chm > ioctl: Device not configured > ---------------------------------------- > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > IOCTL: Device not configured > Motherboard Temperature: 0 � C > CPU_0 Temperature: 0 � C > CPU_1 Temperature: 0 � C > IOCTL: Device not configured > VCore: 0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > Vit: 0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > Vio: 0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > +5V: 0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > +12V: 0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > -12V: -0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > -5V: -0 V > IOCTL: Device not configured > Fan 1: -2147483648 rpm > IOCTL: Device not configured > Fan 2: -2147483648 rpm > IOCTL: Device not configured > Fan 3: -2147483648 rpm > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Does anybody know what's the matter with TUSL2-C (I suspect it's a > hardware-related problem after all) or what that line about "smb0 not > configured" mean? > > The hardware works fine (it displays my temperature well in BIOS Setup). I forgot to tell something more: there is also "coretemp" package, but I do not have Inter Core, so it won't work; and also, I've heard that sometimes temperature is shown in the sysctl variables, but it ain't shown on my machine, I don't know why. Maybe there is something I could do for that?.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 18:19:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10791065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from smtp3.bbeyond.nl (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBE78FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from amavisd-new (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) by smtp3.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB684998 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: BBeyond amavisd-new at smtp3.bbeyond.nl Received: from smtp3.bbeyond.nl ([82.204.126.17]) by amavisd-new (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBm6-PwItgAp for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hari.vanderzwan.org (62-177-151-219.dsl.bbeyond.nl [62.177.151.219]) by smtp3.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6AA84940 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gaspode.vanderzwan.org (gaspode.vanderzwan.org [192.168.200.22]) by hari.vanderzwan.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5MHHeYR008751 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Message-Id: From: Paul van der Zwan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:40 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (hari.vanderzwan.org [192.168.200.4]); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:17:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:19:38 -0000 The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. No errors appear on ports-all. Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all make me suspect it is not a local problem on my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. Paul PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well -- For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. Richard P. Feynman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 18:58:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA761065672 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258D28FC0A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n5MIw7pg001750 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:58:07 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n5MIw7uM001749; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:58:07 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id E8677BEEB; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20090622091220.GA79438@ei.bzerk.org> (message from Ruben de Groot on Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:20 +0200) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090622185742.E8677BEEB@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: Changing my login directory X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:58:09 -0000 >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:12:20 +0200, >> Ruben de Groot said: R> No need for any external programs. The following shell script [accepts R> one key, no need to hit return] R> % more readkey.sh R> echo -n "Press any key: " R> stty cbreak -echo R> KEY=$(dd bs=1 count=1 2>/dev/null) R> stty -cbreak echo R> echo R> echo "You pressed the \"$KEY\" key." Advantages of grabchars: * One program invocation, instead of running stty twice and dd once. * NOT having to deal with vendor-specific stty crap on different Unixen, which is a definite bite in the nether regions when trying to make things work on Solaris and BSD. * Erase/kill processing handled for you, so you can still do ^X or ^U deletion if you're entering multiple characters. * Handles mapping characters to upper/lowercase, timeouts, default answers if return is hit, and limiting answers to given character sets. For example, "grabchars -c 0123456789 -n2 -t10" get two numbers with a 10-second timeout. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it. --Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 19:15:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9C11065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1E08FC1B for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from [10.129.20.247] (216.106.24.170.reverse.socket.net [216.106.24.170]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F70661353 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <087A52A4-F551-420A-93BB-A3CC1C64892A@socket.net> From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:00:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Inexpensive PCI-X SCSI Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:15:18 -0000 I am looking for an inexpensive, but reliable, PCI-X SCSI card that will support an HP Autoloader. Any suggestions? Am I best to go with an HP card? Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 19:58:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E1A106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from honeysuckle.london.02.net (honeysuckle.london.02.net [87.194.255.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971B88FC1A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (93.97.24.219) by honeysuckle.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23EDE60151CDBB; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: meslists@yahoo.fr, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:58:53 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/21 danny : >> Hi list members , >> >> I frequently update the contents of the ports tree but I have never upgraded >> any port. I am studying the way to do it, by following the handbook and an >> article on The FreeBSD Diary about the use of portupgrade. >> At the moment I am focuing the attention to the '/usr/ports/UPDATING' file. >> The question that arose is the following: is there any automated way to check >> if any of the port to be upgraded has specific upgrading notes written in >> that file ? >> Do you prefer doing a mass or selective upgrade ? >> >> Thanks ! >> >> dan > I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been down to an individual ports. I've never seen any reasons given for not using portmanager, just it seems to be getting quietly deprecated, which is a shame because it works supremely well. Having said that why not check out http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/, the new binary ports upgrade system and save yourself a bunch of compile time. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 20:11:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F8D106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 589178FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 50694 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 20:11:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Virus-Scanned; b=LQrpSnz73kZdV8PUn/PXjt8wQ2oYUiVAPj1hqoP6uqGFMgY4VX0KXFO8Yy9/o6lsnli3oQs3zZVUrnSlT3f66Y0FSQ4azgP10kbv1CUls0hbdwJw72wGE5sL8nd2pvZh0r0M0w+jlGuQTnnpRoW3tbR3+x5kqZADrJP3f4o0o60= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp108.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 13:11:16 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: i4Ee2bIVM1kOqGlCJ1IIuwdgIz2o2Kk6mrxf.8Ekt13ZsndpTSjrxY.6JR0_okYy4E0bm97T9kNq5s8DKqjXKxV4wdI4r_VrN2xHe9rJ_65pVcO9IzGufBaXCXR9H61LcMKMuFRDZHX66luA9LaoKOJkX2EaooOOp_4cxle7kTHu6BWPahZ8n74Y7bTA.bG1nAiq9cfADPQjvmcMAELJGhFY4bM4ZdLYPatmjJnAKV2ru_iyJAhMxHJHlQG81ixLQsU98MMJ50lOhS8g27QwCsjZK26jj4Mu4F2Mlq2yPLMeu0I2Ht5mqCVoLwurz9i0DNe17WdmuMVKz07cJLZERg.GGbcyxizKAGqdjg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2B14F229C7 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@yahoo.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E30AC228D8 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:11:15 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622161115.42506d67@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:11:18 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it > was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or > two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been > down to an individual ports. > > I've never seen any reasons given for not using portmanager, just it > seems to be getting quietly deprecated, which is a shame because it > works supremely well. > > Having said that why not check out > http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/, the new binary ports upgrade > system and save yourself a bunch of compile time. > > Chris I use it myself, It "just works". I would also add "-p -l" to the command line. that way you have a log created if something does go wrong. It will also fix up any outdated dependencies. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Genealogy, n.: An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 20:13:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCA81065674 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from server2.hostmailing.com (server2.hostmailing.com [200.110.145.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1688FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebotados@exemys.com) Received: from web.hostmailing.com ([200.110.145.34] helo=www.hostmailing.com) by server2.hostmailing.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MIp9U-0008Ug-QI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:26:00 -0300 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:12:12 -0300 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Exemys Message-ID: <9b7b43b0005a4ef1453b443a877b49dc@www.hostmailing.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: wh4535 [version 3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Analog Inputs over Ethernet-WiFi-Cellular X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: exemys@exemys.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:13:42 -0000 This is a message in multipart MIME format. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 20:48:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2C91065674 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5428FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4108169ewy.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:48:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UzbLHoeZaw3edUb1F3YvKX4X2syYiX/zf1zYk92kLkg=; b=NGVdnY0wf+WpYy1+c+C5LDd95K7Ods3woLohFUgI892ojHRRlwpp9QkXUcQ8WUHDbn vddbIaCVT8exoOGfHwEcC2YC9sTJzB2S3FpgxcC1pLHTxE6X43v8E7CCbYo+omgLm+2j EDnB4QgFY1bULyNcSdzZ5MhNg/e+O2A776xY4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qGcM6nKZOzsrqHOc4sTA9MIVkPic+8iU0O5txXRvtyGHYTCNXDg/Y09TC6FMjln3kz SqSBEvTwlCyRILdy2W4kRraWp5rMNX543+KGKH7nA4laPiC4IAmXqE6JxiimI+A4tDz+ enttenuZV+IZHVMfGGE7+oq8pcCpEq971BNlY= Received: by 10.210.56.7 with SMTP id e7mr5394745eba.70.1245703686586; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm61454eya.49.2009.06.22.13.48.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:48:02 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:48:08 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it > was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or > two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been > down to an individual ports. You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the issues automatically, but not all. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:08:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD1C106564A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav4.lyse.net (asav4.lyse.net [81.167.36.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE418FC16 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:08:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB9F6C05C; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:08:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from phobos.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE85B6C0AF; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A4000B2.9090501@kleppnett.no> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:07:46 +0200 From: kenneth hatteland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, leslie@eskk.nu, Anton Shterenlikht Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: cups no origin problem SOLVED :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:08:28 -0000 None of Antons solutions worked. I read the UPDATING file and didn`t get any smarter. After plodding through several older discussions on similar subjects I found this command given by Paul Chvostek may 2008 on the mail-archive.com : make all install clean FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=1 I executed it in the cups-base path in ports and voila....the shite reinstalled nicely. Portmaster -a then performed as usual on the other ports. Can`t say I totally understand what I did....but hey I am learning something BSD everyday and sometimes even grasp the concept of it. o`joy of FreeBSD Thanx for all interest and help Anton Stherenlikht and Leslie Jensen by the way Anton my platform is FreeBSD 7.2 stable and this machine is an ageing hp pavilion laptop..... Blessede be, Kenneth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48487106568E for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from mx45.mail.ru (mx73.mail.ru [94.100.176.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62BB8FC22 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from mx75.mail.ru (mx75.mail.ru [94.100.176.90]) by mx45.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id BB930980E41 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:34:37 +0400 (MSD) Received: from [85.140.0.198] (port=47483 helo=[192.168.1.227]) by mx75.mail.ru with asmtp id 1MInPf-00015s-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:34:36 +0400 Message-ID: <4A3FC048.1040406@inbox.ru> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:32:56 +0400 From: The Ghost Organization: Lamers Company, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: CPU temperature on TUSL2-C X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:27:04 -0000 Hello, I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. After a whole night from dusk till dawn of searching the Web like a furious spider, I got the following results: it can be done via either ISA or SMB, with one of the ports: lmmon, healthd, consolehm or mbmon, and there are also few modules that are required in the kernel: smb, smbus, intpm, ichsmb (TUSL2-C has ICH so this is the one needed) and maybe also iic, iicsmb, iicbb and nfsmb (I have included them just in case). The ones my system reacted at was ichsmb (it finds my ICH) and smb (in creates a /dev/smb0 device). It looks natural enough. When I'm trying to use mbmon, it fails with: PSYCHE:~> sudo mbmon ioctl(smb0:writebyte): Device not configured I wonder what that means... I think it should work fine with mbmon, but I can't fid the answer what this means. All the other fail also, and mbmon -I does not work either: PSYCHE:~> sudo mbmon -I No ISA-IO HWM available!! InitMBInfo: Unknown error: 0 PSYCHE:~> sudo lmmon IOCTL: Device not configured PSYCHE:~> sudo lmmon -i Motherboard Temp Voltages 255C / 491F / 528K Vcore1: +3.984V Vcore2: +3.984V Fan Speeds + 3.3V: +3.984V + 5.0V: +6.654V 1: 0 rpm +12.0V: +15.938V 2: 0 rpm -12.0V: -15.938V 3: 0 rpm - 5.0V: -6.654V PSYCHE:~> sudo healthd -d -S ************************ * Hardware Information * ************************ Asus: AS99127F ************************ Temp.= 36.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 Vcore = 1.71, 1.71; Volt. = -0.66, 5.00, 12.25, -11.65, -5.02 (note that neither of the results seem to be real and they never change) PSYCHE:~> sudo healthd -d -I ************************ * Hardware Information * ************************ Unknown Vendor: ID = FFFF ************************ Temp.= 255.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 0, 0, 0 Vcore = 4.08, 4.08; Volt. = 4.08, 6.85, 15.50, -14.16, -6.12 (the same thing) PSYCHE:~> sudo chm ioctl: Device not configured ---------------------------------------- IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured IOCTL: Device not configured Motherboard Temperature: 0 � C CPU_0 Temperature: 0 � C CPU_1 Temperature: 0 � C IOCTL: Device not configured VCore: 0 V IOCTL: Device not configured Vit: 0 V IOCTL: Device not configured Vio: 0 V IOCTL: Device not configured +5V: 0 V IOCTL: Device not configured +12V: 0 V IOCTL: Device not configured -12V: -0 V IOCTL: Device not configured -5V: -0 V IOCTL: Device not configured Fan 1: -2147483648 rpm IOCTL: Device not configured Fan 2: -2147483648 rpm IOCTL: Device not configured Fan 3: -2147483648 rpm ---------------------------------------- Does anybody know what's the matter with TUSL2-C (I suspect it's a hardware-related problem after all) or what that line about "smb0 not configured" mean? The hardware works fine (it displays my temperature well in BIOS Setup). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:31:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E399A1065673 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3D98FC1A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so661159bwz.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:31:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=buFZ1xGpfrk6xYQp6ciqN498pV96R5MgwQSMGOL0qs0=; b=kjC4XtFLjQvFRzO8ruXu0IvYk4/Bgz0Gl1jL82wdNAknvrFikoKAS7QbPdoiMSHas3 PGCNn8FLwCWtetO2YZVM7gfBmi9ZWcMEcSm3JCDGuXSCTdvcqqX0bqCOt8akU7QU6dbr 88HGJyeuq98Y+QLlbrBvI8dImqpLSwjo3QRZU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rNMzVJeX7nOh6eENd6ibUqVg8ZT+myxqNiFbCF76Hl0d0oa1HVL1CjxTGorp2hc0t3 6x2489bRb+R8WXqIQHbHatRlezpYk9ixlx07Ae7bkXo/mClEVVSlHw/rwXvL28BDgt21 xiKQb3D0TkXoGlGq0psdIw4d/B7sG3U1Y1Ul0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.31.230 with SMTP id z38mr6776976bkc.85.1245709886019; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:31:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A3FC9AD.5090501@inbox.ru> References: <4A3FC048.1040406@inbox.ru> <4A3FC9AD.5090501@inbox.ru> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906221531g658d2c7dl9ee1aee82312251e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: The Ghost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU temperature on TUSL2-C X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:31:28 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM, The Ghost wrote: >> I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. If you have ACPI enabled, try: sysctl -a hw.acpi | grep temperature -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:35:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15A31065670 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D11B8FC0C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 731X1c00k0bG4ec52Ab3o0; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:03 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Ab01c0121f6R9u3PAb1Td; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:03 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:34:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:34:59 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622223459.GA75560@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:04 -0000 On Mon 22 Jun 2009 at 13:48:02 PDT RW wrote: >On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 >Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it >> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or >> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been >> down to an individual ports. > >You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the issues >automatically, but not all. that durned human element again! would be nice if a port upgrade tool did that for you, displayed any entries related to ports that need updating, and gave you a chance to postpone the update until you've taken whatever actions UPDATING suggests would require UPDATING to be written in a consistent, machine-readable format From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:36:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D175B106567F for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B3E8FC2D for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n5MMZwSU021429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:35:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5MMZwNg072057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:35:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5MMZulK072054; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:35:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:35:56 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ruben de Groot , Norbert Papke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:35:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:36:02 -0000 In the last episode (Jun 22), Ruben de Groot said: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 08:45:23AM -0700, Norbert Papke typed: > > On June 22, 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > > Can enybody explain why the http accept filter only works on GET/HEAD > > > requests? > > > > > > The reason I ask is I was checking up on the slowloris DOS tool > > > (http://ha.ckers.org/slowloris/slowloris.pl) and, like others before > > > me, found that the -httpready switch (which uses POST instead of GET) > > > renders the accf_http module useless as a protection against this kind > > > of attack. > > > > With the POST request, the client sends additional data after the > > header. This additonal data is the form data (the x-www-form-urlencoded > > encoded name-value pairs). The filter will allow the request to proceed > > to the application after the header as been received but before the form > > data has been received. > > > > A "slowloris" attack could exploit this fact by sending a complete > > header but then slowing doling out the form data. > > Apparently, the current incarnation of the slowloris script doesn't do > that, so adding POST to the methods handled by the http accept filter > would protect me from script kiddies who want to attack my servers by this > method. > > My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would break > anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the POST method > included in the http accept filter in the first place? The filter wasn't designed to be an anti-DOS tool; it was an optimization to save some context switches at the beginning of every request. POSTs are infrequent, always include extra trailing data after the headers, and end up doing more processing at the server end than plain GET or HEADs, so buffering the first line of the request doesn't really help much. You're better off adding a request-max-time limit to your webserver, or doing random-drops of existing connections if you get close to your fd or thread limit. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 22:37:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781EC106564A for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karp55@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342578FC17 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:37:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karp55@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1577185ywe.13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=y3XjOqzj4C8A/Rdl+WgOGzz7KqYvBmI7n4Fwi2j33+I=; b=iwU3TKcRTcmTCWb2fa3lyXbiLaAzdiXEEDYduNRKwTjAqfzLe7hHqvCJVvvxKBvjkq qit1FE7Ql489CtiCqNzyj+aX/XMSu+kqHRbPk3Yo9gZkMU7Y7KQfrBHexNibk28JJ2tB YEWl38huWj3Hcsx5slOpRwXscXcUcabgifOJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Zo+GdkpKxM+wSA02hDg3j+zyVkXoyyAJu3YLjtNLY7qpDfNCT1YBn6TgzH0QEwcwiY hefSvMhwmBZrjmUZ9IV58rFAo5kewMkDAs4bGYHQftJ4MJ0N2bl21FgrLdZksq56bsoT Uy7lq+hklMhkWnKseaDPZAfmpT9KsEPmzhKds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.121.11 with SMTP id y11mr12231227ybm.154.1245708442575; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:07:22 -0600 Message-ID: <66888ca50906221507j4f46f948u3e1d283d61ca3ca8@mail.gmail.com> From: Karp To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Disk Quota Full Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:37:56 -0000 FreeBSD spark.ofloo.net 7.2-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p1 #2: Mon Jun 22 14:20:07 UTC 2009 ofloo@spark.ofloo.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ OFL amd64 - -(karp55@spark.ofloo.net)-(22:06:40) -(~)-> mkdir vor2 mkdir: vor2: Disc quota exceeded Any help appricated. Is this a problem on my end, or server side? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 23:07:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E0E106567B for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100238FC13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:07:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5MN7ZXA004746 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:07:32 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:07:38 -0000 you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am taking a break and thought i'd share this. last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. i'll double and triple check to make sure this isn't a sham, but they had a thing on you-tube... Oh, and next time i see the speech therapist, i'll lug my hugmongous thinkpad and demo what i've done with my scripts and flite.... 8 kilobux for a Doze speech dev my butt. with berkeley unix and open source tools, you can have it for a few hundred bux. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 22 23:22:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72F7106566C for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F3E8FC13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5MNLXZq025599; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D9246B5F0F; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C488CB5EF3; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:33 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F081@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: you're not going to believe this. Thread-Index: AcnzjlxS6bdzHcjyQbWdNI6ghTVX1AAAV8dw References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Gary Kline" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2009 23:21:33.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E5DF700:01C9F390] Cc: Subject: RE: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:22:15 -0000 How fast is it though? Fast enough, or will the r/w/access times make everything slow? Not all SSD is created equal. There's a "new" SD format too - up to 2TB.... Prolly within a couple years, or maybe someone will get some federal stimulus funds and manufacture it sooner! After all, it could help us solve the "Climate Change" issue, that's always a good way to get money.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:08 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: you're not going to believe this. you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am taking a break and thought i'd share this. last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. i'll double and triple check to make sure this isn't a sham, but they had a thing on you-tube... Oh, and next time i see the speech therapist, i'll lug my hugmongous thinkpad and demo what i've done with my scripts and flite....=20=20 8 kilobux for a Doze speech dev my butt. with berkeley unix and open source tools, you can have it for a few hundred bux. gary --=20 Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 01:16:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFA81065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FE58FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1061188fxm.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:16:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MWfTjy7ps4+lbf2EoTnaTOyLeTnNFKV1W6ZOL+CT4Us=; b=RizSqYRYrbKw8Sq4xqPS2bXmzkrcwzDUR7wK3PPSqFimlrQfEr/qJvBvV/SlVCh+fi YtQzxQxKIJ854LW9hDhrr3U1DlrRNdzPM8GiIXLlXKo2+Z12KrXtUagI7K1f3Vy5bbK5 0g2x0tHhGiAPxe2PRQHgBnnjo/IBYyJl2NdN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DT9yE3CStPmumkDTXAOVbHUJkts95iqmL7M3oOsBlMtRIvdrT6Qrch+UEkSAe1l0K3 IotaIt8djTjo0vS7h0KtFnAxIsLmAadZl5/McTdUAhMIP9RDOrqq7Lvo2yeWfQktykAQ W8yrxk8e7EzX+lv5Hb2Wpvu+Qa18fmysMzZv0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.35.204 with SMTP id u54mr2478197wea.182.1245719795864; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:16:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:16:37 -0000 On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant information) TIA, Daniel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 01:43:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C3C106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from lancer.b1c1l1.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f358:1a:1a:1000::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095FA8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ben@b1c1l1.com) Received: from supra.b1c1l1.com (netops-172.sfo1.bitgravity.com [209.131.110.172]) by lancer.b1c1l1.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 330895C29; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:43:00 -0700 From: Benjamin Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090430) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig506211166F7C0CDC9A5F72D3" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:43:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig506211166F7C0CDC9A5F72D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/22/2009 06:16 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote: > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. >=20 > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. >=20 > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant inf= ormation) I have password authentication disabled on my public SSH server. You can accomplish this by setting: ChallengeResponseAuthentication no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. See sshd_config(5) for more information. This allows you to enforce the use of stronger authentication methods (e.g. public key). Keep in mind, however, that this setup will only be secure if you keep your alternate credentials (e.g. private key) secure as well. If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. --=20 Benjamin Lee http://www.b1c1l1.com/ --------------enig506211166F7C0CDC9A5F72D3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJKQDMtAAoJEN/n9makEYThkv0P/3dsTATalGDBm6Jlumf1aSJQ J1mfDxOW6/mHa8PEMLXulcSr8u9S3qc8M8TO3fslhDyB436E3mIIJ24l814rhV7J TilmqAazOFpfuWTDfMZigMwQyXFHsZEhspe5jfOrKGDkQyI5j52U7aiVHU9jW2/B sL8GMjRvW8CnMc7Vw4Ae5tq1zDUDdKHrEDsBM5DIDyMS9kDl3MhUYoZyt4lJQGnK wHcCRCjjDV+6fSVxs6LIq+IXiZs2t5Lub3h5UqXhiVQkds1luBXbGES97TEm1CNO Pl+z8wL9ssaJcQ8+FK+FQbX7xKt9I4OUk7xA0GbtfC52Klek250ROzpmbBK/L7y9 dASpO5wJ/K3YRYyqrAVeoXpLPyDH9MmQA77FJ/RNCOOO5dU/wfXR2sWsSfaf9HDb 85tG+ZLOpJNKObyEAFWCIxoYaXZhrO5kqFDvuvpSivzMQ4QrFR1sNmWlE+3jGVxa 8O7MGGamZAv/tIM4M0CHp1mePimWW4a27Rt7YiY/CCe7Gc1oMz7heLZY0whdR/ZT 1RY+1lTIqYy70QDJ2Bp/zw6gStOJQimIWVn6DsWRmemOBU0m5LPG4WDHG+FZD6TD aACNLkt8JLqd15epHA3WMfMNAEy8WhX03kxbKOVYF/ZgPRX/oG7JcKl6AspGwOvN EL6enyFPbS9zdBnbWVsJ =6RxN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig506211166F7C0CDC9A5F72D3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 02:21:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DC71065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:21:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levymoti@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829E38FC20 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from levymoti@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4276125ewy.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:21:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pGPNxQQnT3Rj9jh99RW2pI+bS2P4qhsgznqZSbpk2IE=; b=Sjwchjw5HnkXKx5RKNjMaRB2cgwiTf2gNRYtnQ6WVFNqG4wvHnXo//MoO2z6sqFuON VIEyUMtxO/TlOM5101rzQ+GRKlIDyM44tltdPaVaMzciqC1XG2a78LHa4mSpMJgHwnJY gq4+87ldWe5yo+OaCw096vnlukwjuqeW6HPSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Q6A9VF1zTTFoHbVax1ZTGfdFknjZA/YHRo+UyIWnFB+ybf61856OYDYs1E0sHxDu48 +K8r6XxV/B/rniEA0Z61ytrhGQflbWSz4yxf18iYzoAs7H1+qxzZBb6aPab1p4etjRUC pC+ARcT9w6wYIFmAe1K55id6cYExBBN2HP2Lk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.73.193 with SMTP id v43mr2433839wed.157.1245722211912; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: <104311c40906221856u4beeb234jcc3a9ad5d9ddffc5@mail.gmail.com> From: Moti To: Benjamin Lee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:21:49 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Benjamin Lee wrote: > On 06/22/2009 06:16 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. > > > > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant > information) > > I have password authentication disabled on my public SSH server. You > can accomplish this by setting: > > ChallengeResponseAuthentication no > > in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. See sshd_config(5) for more information. > > This allows you to enforce the use of stronger authentication methods > (e.g. public key). Keep in mind, however, that this setup will only be > secure if you keep your alternate credentials (e.g. private key) secure > as well. > > If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I > would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. > There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, > including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. > > > -- > Benjamin Lee > http://www.b1c1l1.com/ > > prevent brute force scans : option a ( my favorite ) - change ssh port number option b ( works just as well, but with more junk in your logs ) - install brute force blocker ( its in the ports .. ) create explicit login group : add AllowGroups groupname to your sshd config add the group to your groups file and make sure you / anyone with access is member of that group. force ssh version 2 only - just for kicks :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 02:24:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A80106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@tjvarghese.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8CD8FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tj@tjvarghese.com) Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so4328243qyk.3 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:24:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.85.4 with SMTP id m4mr1222533qcl.55.1245722023800; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:53:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:53:43 +0800 Message-ID: From: TJ Varghese To: Benjamin Lee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:24:39 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Benjamin Lee wrote: > On 06/22/2009 06:16 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote: >> On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), >> I run an SSH server. =A0I am the only person who uses the server, but I >> use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't >> set pf rules to filter by IP). =A0I will always, however, use the same >> laptop to connect to the server. =A0Due to the speed and location of the >> connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. >> >> What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. =A0Is using a >> stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no >> experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or >> suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. >> >> Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant info= rmation) > > I have password authentication disabled on my public SSH server. =A0You > can accomplish this by setting: > > ChallengeResponseAuthentication no > > in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. =A0See sshd_config(5) for more information. > > This allows you to enforce the use of stronger authentication methods > (e.g. public key). =A0Keep in mind, however, that this setup will only be > secure if you keep your alternate credentials (e.g. private key) secure > as well. > > If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I > would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. > There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, > including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. I'd recommend changing the listening port to something other than 22. This reduces brute-forcing attempts by script-kiddie tools. Public key authentication should be mandatory, in addition to having a passphrase to your private key. Make sure your laptop is secure. Stay on top of the security lists for openssh vulnerabilities. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 02:39:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4531065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E148D8FC17 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5N2dHpB006362; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:39:14 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090623023914.GC20245@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F081@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F081@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:39:23 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 06:21:33PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > How fast is it though? Fast enough, or will the r/w/access times make > everything slow? Not all SSD is created equal. Ah, yes, that was the key to this site, then. it said that with their newer, faster speed--i think at least double--the response time moved from a slow crawl to a walk. i use konq because it has festival as a builtin. --after a hard day, there are times when the last thing i want to do is read-with-eyes some dense, boring document or man page. solution is to mouse-swipe and have it read to me. o/wise, i'd use firefox3 like most people do. i'll post this page if i ever find it again; share the good news. > > There's a "new" SD format too - up to 2TB.... Prolly within a couple > years, or maybe someone will get some federal stimulus funds and > manufacture it sooner! After all, it could help us solve the "Climate > Change" issue, that's always a good way to get money.... > man, truer words never spoken! do you have a url with this new SSD info. this really would help save energy since there are so many hard drives spinning [[Everywhere]] just burning up the gigawatts. this could very well go-viral.... no stim money needed. but then i dont know, honestly, because i dont know what these guys need. but, for sure, i'm going to have a min of a 64G SSD in some notebook this year. probably this summer. :_) gary > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:08 PM > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: you're not going to believe this. > > > you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web > for > the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and > 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am > taking a break and thought i'd share this. > > last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. > these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. > i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. > so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... > not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. > > i'll double and triple check to make sure this isn't a sham, but > they had a thing on you-tube... Oh, and next time i see the > speech therapist, i'll lug my hugmongous thinkpad and demo what > i've done with my scripts and flite.... > > 8 kilobux for a Doze speech dev my butt. with berkeley unix and > open source tools, you can have it for a few hundred bux. > > gary > > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php > The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > >
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If you have > received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > return email and delete this email from your system." > > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 02:41:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E775106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from mx39.mail.ru (mx39.mail.ru [94.100.176.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EFA8FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from [85.140.2.254] (port=10006 helo=[192.168.1.227]) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1MIvwa-0000UK-00 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:41:08 +0400 Message-ID: <4A40405F.1070209@inbox.ru> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:39:27 +0400 From: The Ghost Organization: Lamers Company, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A3FC048.1040406@inbox.ru> <4A3FC9AD.5090501@inbox.ru> <4ad871310906221531g658d2c7dl9ee1aee82312251e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906221531g658d2c7dl9ee1aee82312251e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: Re: CPU temperature on TUSL2-C X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:41:09 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM, The Ghost wrote: >>> I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. > > If you have ACPI enabled, try: > > sysctl -a hw.acpi | grep temperature > I also tried, and sysctl -a |grep temp returns nothing - I don't know why or what should I try to do to enable this. (ACPI is enabled, and there are other ACPI variables in sysctl). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 02:45:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54293106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61ED8FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so1094719fxm.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.123.129 with SMTP id p1mr6959927far.0.1245725046016; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ROOT (port-103-adslby-pool46.infonet.by [81.25.46.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm13731375fkx.54.2009.06.22.19.44.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:44:03 +0300 From: Anton X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.01) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1203880385.20090623054403@sng.by> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Wojciech Puchar Subject: Need somw further help on ipfw rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Anton List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:45:59 -0000 Hello freebsd-questions, Finally, I ve got to work my ipfw firewall with two NATs (one for= local resources, provided by ISP, one for VPN - which leads me to Internet= ). But I need further help on it :-( Here is my rules: #!/bin/sh ipfw=3D'/sbin/ipfw -q' mynet=3D'192.168.0.0/24' myprefix=3D'192.168.0.' adsl_out=3D'xl0' vpn_out=3D'ng0' if_loc=3D'rl0' gw_loc=3D'10.30.100.5' route1=3D'81.25.32.5/32' route2=3D'81.25.32.6/32' route3=3D'81.25.32.13/32' route4=3D'81.25.32.15/32' route5=3D'81.25.32.25/32' route6=3D'81.25.32.34/32' route7=3D'81.25.32.30/32' route8=3D'81.25.32.67/32' route9=3D'81.25.32.48/32' route10=3D'81.25.32.40/32' route11=3D'81.25.32.68/32' route12=3D'81.25.32.69/32' route13=3D'81.25.32.70/32' route14=3D'81.25.32.71/32' route15=3D'81.25.32.81/32' route16=3D'81.25.32.82/32' route17=3D'81.25.32.96/32' route18=3D'72.167.232.126/32' route19=3D'81.25.32.97/32' route20=3D'81.25.34.96/28' ${ipfw} -f flush ${ipfw} table 12 flush ${ipfw} -f pipe flush ${ipfw} -f queue flush ${ipfw} pipe 1 config bw 40Kbyte/s queue 50 ${ipfw} pipe 2 config bw 15Kbyte/s queue 50 #Filling IPFW free-res table ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route1} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route2} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route3} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route4} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route5} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route6} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route7} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route8} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route9} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route10} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route11} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route12} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route13} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route14} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route15} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route16} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route17} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route18} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route19} ${ipfw} table 12 add ${route20} # ICMP ${ipfw} add 1 deny icmp from any to any frag ${ipfw} add 2 deny icmp from any to any in via ${adsl_out} icmptype 5,9,= 13,14,15,16,17 ${ipfw} add 2 deny icmp from any to any in via ${vpn_out} icmptype 5,9,1= 3,14,15,16,17 ${ipfw} add 3 check-state ${ipfw} add 4 allow all from any to any via lo0 ${ipfw} add 4 allow all from any to any via ${if_loc} # Allowing myself everuthin ${ipfw} add 5 allow all from me to any keep-state #Free res ${ipfw} add 6 divert 8667 ip from table\(12\) to any in via ${adsl_out}<= /p> ${ipfw} add 7 divert 8667 ip from any to table\(12\) out via ${adsl_out}= ${ipfw} add 8 allow all from ${mynet} to table\(12\) out via ${adsl_out}= ${ipfw} add 9 allow all from table\(12\) to ${mynet} in via ${adsl_out}<= /p> #NAT to Internet ${ipfw} add 10 divert 8668 ip from any to any in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 11 divert 8668 ip from any to not table\(12\) out via ${vpn_= out} # Deny access to unrouteable networks ${ipfw} add 12 reject all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 13 reject all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 14 reject all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 15 reject all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 16 reject all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 17 reject all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 in via ${adsl_out}<= /p> ${ipfw} add 18 reject all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 in via ${vpn_out} # Multicast ${ipfw} add 19 reject all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 20 reject all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 21 reject all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 22 reject all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 in via ${vpn_out} # Deny access from unrouteable networks ${ipfw} add 23 reject all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 24 reject all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 25 reject all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 26 reject all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 27 reject all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 28 reject all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any in via ${adsl_out}<= /p> ${ipfw} add 29 reject all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any in via ${vpn_out} # Multicast ${ipfw} add 30 reject all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 31 reject all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 32 reject all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 33 reject all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any in via ${vpn_out} #Sasser&Netbios ${ipfw} add 34 reject tcp from any to any 137-139,445,1022,1023 ${ipfw} add 35 reject tcp from any 137-139,445,1022,1023 to any ${ipfw} add 36 reject udp from any to any 137-139,445,1022,1023 ${ipfw} add 37 reject udp from any 137-139,445,1022,1023 to any #Other Defence ${ipfw} add 38 reject tcp from any to any not established tcpflags fin ${ipfw} add 39 reject tcp from any to any tcpflags fin, syn, rst, psh, a= ck, urg ${ipfw} add 40 reject tcp from any to any tcpflags !fin, !syn, !rst, !ps= h, !ack, !urg ${ipfw} add 41 deny log ip from any to any not verrevpath in ${ipfw} add 42 deny tcp from any to any 20-23,1900,2869,3389,5900 in via= ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 43 deny tcp from any to any 20-23,1900,2869,3389,5900 in via= ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 44 deny udp from any to any 1900,2869 in via ${adsl_out} ${ipfw} add 45 deny udp from any to any 1900,2869 in via ${vpn_out} #Hosts with evereday acces ${ipfw} add 80 pipe 2 all from ${myprefix}50 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 81 pipe 1 all from any to ${myprefix}50 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 82 allow all from ${myprefix}50 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 83 allow all from any to ${myprefix}50 in via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 84 allow all from ${myprefix}51 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 85 allow all from any to ${myprefix}51 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 86 pipe 2 all from ${myprefix}52 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 87 pipe 1 all from any to ${myprefix}52 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 88 allow all from ${myprefix}52 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 89 allow all from any to ${myprefix}52 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 90 allow all from ${myprefix}70 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 91 allow all from any to ${myprefix}70 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 92 allow all from ${myprefix}71 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 93 allow all from any to ${myprefix}71 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 94 allow all from ${myprefix}250 to any out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 95 allow all from any to ${myprefix}250 out via ${vpn_out} ${ipfw} add 27199 allow all from me to any ${ipfw} add 27200 deny log logamount 50000 all from any to any echo "Loaded" I still could not get two things: 1) Why, if there is no rule 27199 - I have n= o acces to Internet from IP 192.168.0.50. Also, if I delete rule 83 - ident= ically, I have no access to Internet (it is after VPN), but I have access t= o local resources 2) I need to organize everyday access for al= l hosts in my network by ports 27015-27050 TCP and UDP (it is Steam & C= ounter-Strike) Adding the rules like this: allow tcp from ${mynet} to any 27015-27050 o= ut via ${vpn_out}, allow tcp from any 27015-27050 to ${mynet} in via ${vpn_= out} & allow udp from ${mynet} to any 27015-27050 out via ${vpn_out}, a= llow udp from any 27015-27050 to ${mynet} in via ${vpn_out} - doesnot helps= at all. -- -- Best regards, Anton = ; [1]mailto:anton@sng.by Administrator Feel free to contact me via ICQ 363780596 via Skype dobryak47 via phone +375 29 3320987 References 1. 3D"mailto:anton@sng.by" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 03:12:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AD71065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from earl@eeg3.net) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D68D8FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from earl@eeg3.net) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so1639267ywe.13 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.124.11 with SMTP id w11mr9204744anc.165.1245724795563; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:39:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:39:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Earl E. Gay III" To: Daniel Underwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:12:52 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Daniel Underwood wrote: > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. > > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant > information) > > TIA, > Daniel > Even though your IP is dynamic, I'd imagine you could still set pf rules to only allow SSH from certain IP ranges, which is better than nothing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 03:56:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBB31065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284678FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MIx6z-0007z7-2R; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:57 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n5N3tugn003080; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:56 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 166E0FCA505; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:51 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Paul van der Zwan Message-ID: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Paul van der Zwan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:55:56 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:56:02 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: > > The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing > src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. > No errors appear on ports-all. > Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror sites. If you've got the same problem, then your cvsup config file for src could be up the creek. If the problem disappears, then the server is up the creek. > > The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all make me > suspect it is not a local problem on > my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. > > Paul > > PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well > Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 05:08:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055E31065696 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04D38FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433FC5C26 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:12:03 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4A40633F.5020405@hdk5.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:15 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Help with Mini HP 1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:08:41 -0000 Aloha Gurus, I run FreeBSD servers and desktops and now I have an HP Mini 1000 netbook with Ubuntu OS. I know some of you have worked with Linux. There are little or no manuals or on HP site instructions. I even called HP support and I knew more than they did. Gary Klein on our FreeBSD list gave me some pointers and I have setup the /etc/network/interfaces : The manual connection works OK for my ATM circuit wired network, now I want to set a second network config for my LAN wireless. Any body on Luau had experience with a wired network link. I want to set it up manually so I don't lose the wired settings for when I am on the ATM circuit. Using the helper apps on the Netbook is not an option as it doesnt seem to play nice with more than one config. I am trying to set up the wireless so I can use either it or the wired link, obviously not both. With out losing either configuration. Also I want to know if it can be setup to work in a Starbucks configuration with DHCP again with out losing the existing configs. Note: Using the autoconfig helper destroys everything existing if you use it. I am used to command like setups for networks not the GUI point and click. Any help appreciated. Mahalo... -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 05:35:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794D71065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3198A8FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so1740468qwe.7 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AQcN+rbA2//bDE4eSIJd6IWCsN1E5C+v142e7syYqOg=; b=o6YRL9r8SqlHbk/DptEcaBkQfTd7q6/vO2RkneV1hFtGAYFYYDHgAIoPqnpqBDUQR1 OvbUW35l1Fe9x8lidPV4MO+A4rDwlLgL5a4+cwAr8LncDRe8h3gRLtU6h+TebJGIdkDD bOt7NG1RAtt1EYoUZAGeR/z4EsDZhkYWBfuAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZC8ZJLtY1O2tNRR4nwSdJFh/ZkoeJzcadU2oDiGMMflxVN+MkmFy1iJu4TXlrK4GMs C1TXGZET2pqcKXYJyZJTSg+yd7Hv8KvjLbuFsiRDmu/ImbqGm/HlAr+BK+J8zNZZ1+Rw Vk3om7pLnPmyEAxUyPHtaxJN2zSeZ/LN9mg0k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.10 with SMTP id f10mr4787796vcj.13.1245735345274; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:35:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Daniel Underwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:35:46 -0000 On 6/22/09, Daniel Underwood wrote: > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. > > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant > information) > > TIA, > Daniel My remote ends are "dynamic" too, but since everywhere I go keeps the routers online 24/7, the IP is almost static. Here's my suggestion. I think it might work, by adding a small dns hit every packet to port 22 goes to the box. My config is similar table const { 1.2.3.0/25 10.20.30.0/24 } <..standard rules..> pass in on $ext_if from { Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4441065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalin@el.net) Received: from mail.el.net (mail.el.net [74.1.12.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B908FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalin@el.net) Received: (qmail 38561 invoked by uid 1008); 23 Jun 2009 06:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kalins-macbook-pro.local) (kalin@el.net@74.1.12.115) by mail.el.net with ESMTPA; 23 Jun 2009 06:15:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A4063B6.1000104@el.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:10:14 -0400 From: kalin m User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: cannot find -lltdl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:37:40 -0000 hi all.. this is a bit awkward.... i'm building php 5.2.10 from source on freebsd 7.0. using: ./configure --with-layout=GNU --with-config-file-scan-dir=/usr/local/etc/php --disable-all --enable-libxml --with-libxml-dir=/usr/local --enable-reflection --program-prefix= --disable-cgi --with-apxs2=/etc/httpd/bin/apxs --with-regex=php --with-zend-vm=CALL --prefix=/usr/local --mandir=/usr/local/man --infodir=/usr/local/info/ --with-pcre-regex --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql --with-curl --enable-ctype --enable-dom --enable-exif --enable-filter --with-gd --with-openssl --enable-json --with-iconv --with-mhash --with-mcrypt the configuration runs fine but the build breaks: .............................. main/internal_functions.lo -lcrypt -lcrypt -lmysqlclient -lmhash -lmcrypt -lltdl -liconv -lpng -lz -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lm -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm -lcrypt -lcrypt -o libphp5.la /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lltdl *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/local/src/php-5.2.10. # locate ltdl /usr/local/share/aclocal/ltdl.m4 /usr/local/share/libtool/libltdl ........... the thing is it already build once with the same configuration options. an hour ago. and it is working. but i need to add more stuff to this. if i take off --with-mcrypt it builds fine. i have mcrypt already and i need it. and don't want to reinstall without it.... any help? thanks... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 05:51:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D513E1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDBE8FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MIyuZ-0007XC-Kb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:15 +0000 Received: from s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net ([70.67.176.112]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:15 +0000 Received: from prad by s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:15 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: prad Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:50:59 -0700 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <20090622225059.0add9f97@gom> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s0106001cf0c835a7.du.shawcable.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Sender: news Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:51:19 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:16:35 -0400 Daniel Underwood wrote: > Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > why does the speed of a connection make it a higher risk? is it because bruteforce techniques can capitalize on the speed? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 05:52:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E160E1065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931B08FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:52:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBA4B1C1A67; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:52:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:52:01 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:52:04 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. > > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant information) Hi: If you're the only one using this server then you definitely should allow key authentication only, there are lots of automatic brute force attacks with password authentication, even if they only try bad passwords. Second, you should allow login only for the relevant user(s)/group(s), using AllowUsers/AllowGroups, and ofcourse disable root login. Third, even if you connect from dynamic ips, you can filter a lot of undesired connections. From the regional registries you can download address delegation files and filter out ranges assigned to countries that you'll never plan visiting, or even enable/disable countries. I created a script for generating such lists, www.locolomo.org/pub/src/toolbox/inet.pl I do not believe that tricks like running ssh on a non standard port or using port-knocking provide much extra security. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 06:18:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231221065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B068FC1B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4363687ewy.43 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=gcntYgGmLZUDw8QiHg7DbBmXwkz/k/wlqcKyCMpJeI0=; b=kj/aN3YFjPZ8x1xtsyXDUv71jbmm3wHFjlOzuVpxQK/NkzHujGuFUl/v6ygsFvPCmc 2fCxQf6ubC88uGasdpaiSVm1L7OXtnVJeqFs4PcDXZjHrqQbzU1Zr7rh5rFC+HnQ8ozV IpAy+MuLo6IOwKs/eO/B2+PZg31TC/lLx43HM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=CqcemeXbsDrEvIfdwJIdTmlPzC276BWuA7x36NGyDja+Hh6dtZdr0z7geWL8565iT7 1OES87Lei/mcB8XhkU6Dclakms2HezMe6oob28HN1pJqxHtnwapX+2gyNJn9gloymsUG EQCVO56EXgKFHo+HI9cTw2KiQb91gdokJ2yeY= Received: by 10.210.34.5 with SMTP id h5mr412240ebh.33.1245737931245; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackmesa ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm14041740ewy.12.2009.06.22.23.18.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blackmesa (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:39 +0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:18:39 +0400 From: Jeff Laine To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090623061839.GA88030@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:18:53 -0000 On Mon,06/22/09 [21:16:35], Daniel Underwood wrote: > On a BSD box at work (at an extremely fast connection and static IP), > I run an SSH server. I am the only person who uses the server, but I > use it from some locations that are behind a dynamic IP (so I can't > set pf rules to filter by IP). I will always, however, use the same > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no > experience with port-knocking, but I'd appreciate some tips or > suggested beginning references... I welcome any and all advice. > > Note: I do require X11 forwarding (not sure whether that's relevant information) > > TIA, > Daniel To block bruteforce probes on ssh I use pf with it's great function 'max-src-conn-rate'. man pf.conf provides some useful hints. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 06:36:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D918D1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323BC8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:36:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N6aYU0054860; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:36:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N6aVbD054857; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:36:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:36:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Karp In-Reply-To: <66888ca50906221507j4f46f948u3e1d283d61ca3ca8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <66888ca50906221507j4f46f948u3e1d283d61ca3ca8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk Quota Full Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:36:46 -0000 > OFL amd64 > - > -(karp55@spark.ofloo.net)-(22:06:40) > > -(~)-> mkdir > vor2 > > mkdir: vor2: Disc quota exceeded > > > Any help appricated. Is this a problem on my end, or server side? > _______________________________________________ you've got the exact message. why you don't read them? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 06:38:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6886A106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D0E8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N6ch75054873; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:38:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N6cgvl054870; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:38:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:38:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Daniel Underwood In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:38:52 -0000 > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > > What are some good practices for securing this SSH server. Is using a > stored key safer than a password in this instance? I have no If your password is not trivial, then it is secure. using RSA/DSA keys is as good, if you are sure nobody will get it from your laptop. i use keyfiles on every place i have to use ssh regularly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 06:46:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FE41065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDDE8FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N6ixlm054900; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:45:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N6ivn8054897; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:44:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:44:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Benjamin Lee In-Reply-To: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> Message-ID: References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:46:52 -0000 > If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I > would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. > There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, > including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. good, but not really important with properly chosen password. You can't do more than maybe 10 attempts/second this way, while cracking 10 character password consisting of just small letters and digits needs 36^10=3656158440062976 possible passwords, and over 11 milion years to check all possibilities, so say 100000 years if someone is really lucky and will get it after checking 1% possible password. Of course - you must not look at logs in 100000 years and not see this 10 attempts per second. I give this example against common paranoia that exist on that group - mix of real "security paranoid" persons and pseudo-experts that like to repeat "intelligent" phrases to show up themselves. Actually - there is no need for extra protection for ssh, but for humans. 99% of crack attempts are done by "kevin mitnick" methods, not password cracking. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:31:14 -0000 > you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for > the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and > 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am > taking a break and thought i'd share this. > > last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. > these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. > i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. > so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... > not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x or whatever. This flash chips have to emulate hard drive, which slows them down manyfold From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 07:45:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE23106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620C18FC1F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N7iYC3037979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:44:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n5N7iYC3037979 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1245743075; bh=IoreZewrPTC3hu5o89ANN48Myq++pZZ9Ea9xGWzesEA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2023=20Jun=202009=2008:44:27=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.21=20(X11/20090515)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Wojciech=20Puchar=20|CC:=20Benjamin=20Lee=20,=20=0D=0A=20Daniel=20U nderwood=20,=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@freeb sd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Best=20practices=20for=20securing=20SSH=20 server|References:=20=09<4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com>=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmai l-Version:=200.95.7|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multi part/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applicat ion/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig7F126A8A 80C99D6BDA7E1D00"; b=xSIKmHbGX/ewqaxQahoAtIUvr+xZ92RugyVCV5EQ+BL5m7aa0NSx+5HXAYx7L5/wm Qk4aDYkQYFl7iVJEx4ZhvSdw8jIglEmtZuaDv8INoAb6HdUFUhaajabm6G+3P5G+LO yhcpmQk14cZjz8mYYW36H7sqJUfMR9nqgPtZAKFo= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4] claimed to be significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net Message-ID: <4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:44:27 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7F126A8A80C99D6BDA7E1D00" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Benjamin Lee , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:45:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7F126A8A80C99D6BDA7E1D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I >> would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. >> There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, >> including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. >=20 > good, but not really important with properly chosen password. > You can't do more than maybe 10 attempts/second this way, while crackin= g > 10 character password consisting of just small letters and digits needs= 10 characters is a longer than usual password. Most people have been conditioned into using a 7 or 8 character password, which is at least a 1000 times easier to crack using your measure. (Still a pretty big possible space though). > 36^10=3D3656158440062976 possible passwords, and over 11 milion years t= o > check all possibilities, so say 100000 years if someone is really lucky= > and will get it after checking 1% possible password. There is a very big flaw in your analysis here. You're assuming that the passwords people might use are randomly and evenly distributed over the whole possible password space. That is simply untrue. A lot of people -- perhaps the majority -- will use a password consisting of an English word, possibly with StUdLy CaPs or 3lite SP3LL1NG and with some random extra characters!*99 tacked on[*]. That's a whole lot smaller search space -- and it must be possible to brute-force passwords or it wouldn't be worthwhile for the brute-force attackers to keep trying. Agreed however that if people can be educated to use good passwords then a brute force attack like this really is unfeasible. I like apg(1) for generating passwords where there is no alternative to using strong crypto. > Of course - you must not look at logs in 100000 years and not see this > 10 attempts per second. Sure. My experience is that any machine on the internet with a port 22 listener will attract about 2 to 5 brute force attackers a day -- that is, a sequence of brute force attempts originating from 2 -- 5 independent IPs per day. In fact, given that you have taken reasonable measures like using ssh keys exclusively or enforcing strong passwords then the biggest problems caused by these sort of attacks are the drain on system resources and the excess verbiage in log files. Getting rid of that is why I like to implement connection-rate based SSH blocking via pf(4) -- not because it gives any extra security. > I give this example against common paranoia that exist on that group - > mix of real "security paranoid" persons and pseudo-experts that like to= > repeat "intelligent" phrases to show up themselves. >=20 > Actually - there is no need for extra protection for ssh, but for human= s. >=20 > 99% of crack attempts are done by "kevin mitnick" methods, not password= > cracking. Absolutely true. Mitnick was an early exponent of Social Engineering attacks, which are still the easiest and most effective methods for breaking computer security. Now, if we could just get rid of all the users, our lives as Sys Admins would be a whole lot easier... Cheers, Matthew [*] It's amazing how many people, when you tell them to use a mix of upper and lower case letters, just capitalize the *first* letter of their password. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK --------------enig7F126A8A80C99D6BDA7E1D00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpAh+IACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VahZQCgi18fEOa26Nl5g+u+81jCa+IG PJ0AmQGupxw+LD+eyJuDw+3SaEU7JjHk =cBIN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7F126A8A80C99D6BDA7E1D00-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 07:50:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB16E106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0417F8FC25 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N7mRpQ055261; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:48:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N7mOse055258; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:48:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:48:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> <4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Benjamin Lee , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:50:04 -0000 >> You can't do more than maybe 10 attempts/second this way, while cracking >> 10 character password consisting of just small letters and digits needs > > 10 characters is a longer than usual password. Most people have been > conditioned into using a 7 or 8 character password, which is at least a so that's the answer how to secure SSH server. use 10 letter random passwords. >> 36^10=3656158440062976 possible passwords, and over 11 milion years to >> check all possibilities, so say 100000 years if someone is really lucky >> and will get it after checking 1% possible password. > > There is a very big flaw in your analysis here. You're assuming that > the passwords people might use are randomly and evenly distributed over So you already confirmed what i say. It's human problem - for example not using random passwords. Talking about security within that context is a joke. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 08:12:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C601065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2078FC17 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4428258ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/8yvpjI+gJvf4AoYt000LKyEHPIybR0omHP3D+b5HM8=; b=i3Cv3QDckKyswsrb49520kZOuuBZRiX40aY6ji27Fd/Y9Lp+Vk6ZZINwRzO27yC9DH y2yGctz/ntM7+1iVOBQ6+vQp1010gFZlAlIYwyRIXLbBD45Zyy4IXQErXx73yGRmqNrS 21fXHmp0F5V0AzFFqX+wKyYL9SblKg74NOxo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i3f76phkk8LSkV0bpqMvYzQxkd9admvqzWE4KfEQUKNffBUTFZz0XEgQ1p6dFeTk7O 8ZIw7cx1jIBKcLjDSG+zrgWFitD/DVLCTOFNb9ZuD5EndiBj2K18n3gVvQ3p/SFE96Ic x8O4HoLT+SjZc0caWL2w95kVHsRxFRVK1rRT0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.13.74 with SMTP id a52mr2526106wea.145.1245744771135; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:12:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:12:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Benjamin Lee , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:12:53 -0000 2009/6/23 Wojciech Puchar : >> If for some reason you would prefer to use password authentication, I >> would recommend that you look into automatic brute force detection. >> There are a number of utilities in ports available for this purpose, >> including security/sshguard and security/denyhosts. > > good, but not really important with properly chosen password. > You can't do more than maybe 10 attempts/second this way, while cracking 10 > character password consisting of just small letters and digits needs > > 36^10=3656158440062976 possible passwords, and over 11 milion years to check > all possibilities, so say 100000 years if someone is really lucky and will > get it after checking 1% possible password. > > Of course - you must not look at logs in 100000 years and not see this 10 > attempts per second. > > > > I give this example against common paranoia that exist on that group - mix > of real "security paranoid" persons and pseudo-experts that like to repeat > "intelligent" phrases to show up themselves. > > Actually - there is no need for extra protection for ssh, but for humans. > > 99% of crack attempts are done by "kevin mitnick" methods, not password > cracking. You're right about the probability of password breaking, but personally I installed denyhosts just because I got sick of this: Aug 22 00:46:21 amnesiac sshd[63107]: error: PAM: authentication error for illegal user adrian from adsl-76-193-128-193.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net Aug 22 00:46:21 amnesiac sshd[63107]: Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for invalid user adrian from 76.193.128.193 port 2901 ssh2 Aug 22 00:46:23 amnesiac sshd[63110]: error: PAM: authentication error for illegal user agfa from adsl-76-193-128-193.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net Aug 22 00:46:23 amnesiac sshd[63110]: Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for invalid user agfa from 76.193.128.193 port 3165 ssh2 Aug 22 00:46:26 amnesiac sshd[63113]: error: PAM: authentication error for illegal user agneta from adsl-76-193-128-193.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net Aug 22 00:46:26 amnesiac sshd[63113]: Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for invalid user agneta from 76.193.128.193 port 3338 ssh2 Aug 22 00:46:29 amnesiac sshd[63116]: error: PAM: authentication error for illegal user ahren from adsl-76-193-128-193.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net Aug 22 00:46:29 amnesiac sshd[63116]: Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for invalid user ahren from 76.193.128.193 port 3499 ssh2 10,000 lines of this in _every_ security digest I get off my server. No I haven't changed any IP addresses, either. Now I get: Added the following hosts to /etc/hosts.evil: 89.232.63.160 87.117.236.15 Much easier to read... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 08:13:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D213106568B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [94.100.176.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392278FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:13:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the-ghost@inbox.ru) Received: from [85.140.2.254] (port=58912 helo=[192.168.1.227]) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1MJ18C-00083F-00; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:13:28 +0400 Message-ID: <4A408E43.9050209@inbox.ru> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:11:47 +0400 From: The Ghost Organization: Lamers Company, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d.forsyth@ru.ac.za, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090622223809.45EF21065713@hub.freebsd.org> <4A409FC4.3672.49A8395@d.forsyth.ru.ac.za> In-Reply-To: <4A409FC4.3672.49A8395@d.forsyth.ru.ac.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 264, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:13:29 -0000 DA Forsyth wrote: > On 22 Jun 2009 , freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org entreated > about > "freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 264, Issue 3": > >>> I am trying to find out the temperature of my CPU. After a whole night >>> from dusk till dawn of searching the Web like a furious spider, I got >>> the following results: it can be done via either ISA or SMB, with one of >>> the ports: lmmon, healthd, consolehm or mbmon, and there are also few >>> modules that are required in the kernel: smb, smbus, intpm, ichsmb > > I used a TUSL2 board for a while for one of my servers and mbmon > worked fine with it. I did have to compile mbmon without SMB support > though (just look inside the Makefile for the right thing to define > to prevent smb support). Then when you do a 'mbmon -d' it will tell > you what it finds. I never even tried adding smb support to the > kernel until after I upgraded both the motherboard and BSD to 7.1 and > was curious to see what it might give me. > > cya > > -- > DA Fo rsyth Network Supervisor > Principal Technical Officer -- Institute for Water Research > http://www.ru.ac.za/institutes/iwr/ > Holy cahones de la... *skipping few languages* ...rear of Vyagrimukha and Leviathan!! I'm so happy, de merde!.. So, like... When installing mbmon, it gives you an option to disable SMB support; I did never even think about disabling it because where would it take the data from?!.. I do not have ISA or I2C, so SMB seemed like the only way. But, with this support, it's completely impossible to read the temperatures (and -d says that, like, ICH found but there is hardware monitor on it...), and when you disable this support - it reads everything properly!! Thank you very much, my new old CPU will now rest happily knowing that I always watch carefully after its temperature... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 08:39:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315D11065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950EE8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5N8dV6R091240; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5N8dUbj091239; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:30 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20090623083930.GA90810@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Dan Nelson , Norbert Papke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Norbert Papke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:39:50 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:35:56PM -0500, Dan Nelson typed: > In the last episode (Jun 22), Ruben de Groot said: > > > > My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would break > > anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the POST method > > included in the http accept filter in the first place? > > The filter wasn't designed to be an anti-DOS tool; it was an optimization to > save some context switches at the beginning of every request. POSTs are I know this. But in this particular case, it *works* as an anti-DOS tool. And a pretty good one too. > infrequent, always include extra trailing data after the headers, and end up > doing more processing at the server end than plain GET or HEADs, so > buffering the first line of the request doesn't really help much. Well, it helps against this slowloris script. And I don't see it costing much. > You're better off adding a request-max-time limit to your webserver, or > doing random-drops of existing connections if you get close to your fd or > thread limit. I'm exploring these options as well, but they have their own drawbacks. Anyway, since it doesn't look like I'm breaking anything by buffering the POST headers, I'm gonna maintain this as a local patch until something better comes along. Thanks for your input, Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 08:59:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F614106567D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB0B8FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N8vTeZ055498; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:57:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N8vRRM055495; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:57:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Benjamin Lee , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:59:06 -0000 >> >> 99% of crack attempts are done by "kevin mitnick" methods, not password >> cracking. > > You're right about the probability of password breaking, but > personally I installed denyhosts just because I got sick of this: indeed, it's very useful but it's not a requirement at all to be secure :) The only requirements for security are: 1) use proper passwords, or keyfiles but with keyfiles stored on properly protected machine (geli, proper password for geli too) 2) it's not really wrong to use same (but well done - random) passwords in many places YOU administer, but never use the same password on any foreign places. 3) Store that password ONLY in brain. As herds of morons don't really understand what are passwords for, all points are usually not respected, point 3 being the most common :) You want to crack into company server - just look at monitors and notes glued to it. If you can't - ask a charwoman working there ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 09:21:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E72A1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBB58FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5N9JdFQ055651; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:19:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5N9JYug055648; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:19:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:19:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <4A403324.6090300@b1c1l1.com> <4A4087DB.5010700@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Benjamin Lee , Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:21:19 -0000 >> 99% of crack attempts are done by "kevin mitnick" methods, not password >> cracking. > > Absolutely true. Mitnick was an early exponent of Social Engineering > attacks, which are still the easiest and most effective methods for Mitnick just chose the best possible friend - human stupidity. It never fails. > breaking computer security. Now, if we could just get rid of all the > users, our lives as Sys Admins would be a whole lot easier... Just make sure that one user can't do mess to others, and to log every logins. Then it's no more your problem, as users can only hurt themselves. Don't care about their security if they don't care by themselves. > Cheers, > > Matthew > > [*] It's amazing how many people, when you tell them to use a mix of > upper and lower case letters, just capitalize the *first* letter of > their password. because most people don't understand what are passwords for. They just treat them as a part of required ceremony. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 10:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533C1065676 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CA38FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4520540ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zFNShX+gUbuOHRxbigemjWoHSA8ydCS0itsSWCYK1Ec=; b=bvvLac+dkYTSuy3PqNRDs8GeSVosqyjwIEhTJ7iotq0MsJpwMHp/9ldYQF9sBNbZBN Ofk/37v+8dMLaTRRIJahV1jImFAA0UO71afuGer191Lszxwh6WzcXkF8cYXFLxQoyaAz VUzeMWf8A0pVQPSoaB1cpv0pdagRWalqLuw0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=REoYGlZzzX/veiq4Vu3lzJCybcpZNeXh0vJPOzIbl+TmeJKPiNFN22hzuwlCnjP6VQ UbjjYoV6j0PmGReO96yJTj/b8xtGH5RQXj3soJkTLon/2Wf7r2t661sANFPB1Lzfdn6X bmy4NsKF+hY3U9YEkO7efa19oL9wHp64HKeoU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.45.207 with SMTP id p57mr2568174web.94.1245754484089; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:54:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4063B6.1000104@el.net> References: <4A4063B6.1000104@el.net> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:54:24 +0100 Message-ID: To: kalin m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: cannot find -lltdl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:54:46 -0000 2009/6/23 kalin m : > > > hi all.. > > this is a bit awkward.... > > i'm building php 5.2.10 from source on freebsd 7.0. using: > > ./configure --with-layout=3DGNU --with-config-file-scan-dir=3D/usr/local/= etc/php > --disable-all --enable-libxml --with-libxml-dir=3D/usr/local > --enable-reflection --program-prefix=3D --disable-cgi > --with-apxs2=3D/etc/httpd/bin/apxs --with-regex=3Dphp --with-zend-vm=3DCA= LL > --prefix=3D/usr/local --mandir=3D/usr/local/man --infodir=3D/usr/local/in= fo/ > --with-pcre-regex --with-mysql=3D/usr/local/mysql --with-curl --enable-ct= ype > --enable-dom --enable-exif --enable-filter --with-gd --with-openssl > --enable-json --with-iconv --with-mhash --with-mcrypt > > > the configuration runs fine but =A0the build breaks: > .............................. > main/internal_functions.lo -lcrypt -lcrypt -lmysqlclient -lmhash -lmcrypt > -lltdl -liconv -lpng -lz -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lm -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm > -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm -lcrypt -lcrypt =A0-o > libphp5.la > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lltdl > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/local/src/php-5.2.10. > > # locate ltdl > /usr/local/share/aclocal/ltdl.m4 > /usr/local/share/libtool/libltdl > ........... > > the thing is it already build once with the same configuration options. a= n > hour ago. and it is working. but i need to add more stuff to this. if i t= ake > off --with-mcrypt it builds fine. i have mcrypt already and i need it. an= d > don't want to reinstall without it.... > > any help? > > thanks... Why aren't you using ports? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 12:43:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9211065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from smtp1.bbeyond.nl (fb1.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BA98FC1D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from amavisd-new (fb1.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.25]) by smtp1.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6900712305F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: BBeyond amavisd-new at smtp1.bbeyond.nl Received: from smtp1.bbeyond.nl ([82.204.126.25]) by amavisd-new (smtp1.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.15]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBeR4KMeJRXh; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hari.vanderzwan.org (62-177-151-219.dsl.bbeyond.nl [62.177.151.219]) by smtp1.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E9C122F5B; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.59] (mail.eis-eic.nl [194.120.38.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by hari.vanderzwan.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NChfir015451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Message-Id: <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> From: Paul van der Zwan To: Frank Shute In-Reply-To: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:36 +0200 References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (hari.vanderzwan.org [192.168.200.4]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:44 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:43:46 -0000 On 23 jun 2009, at 05:55, Frank Shute wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: >> >> The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing >> src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. >> No errors appear on ports-all. >> Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? > > Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > > Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror > sites. > I have tried both cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.nl.freebsd.org with both csup and cvsup and I get checksum mismatches on all attempts. > If you've got the same problem, then your cvsup config file for src > could be up the creek. > I have deleted /usr/sup/src-all/* bun that did not fix the checksum errors, just gave me a lot of SetAttr messages the first run. If you mean my c{v}sup config file, that hasn't been changed in years and how would an error in that file cause errors on src-all but none on ports-all ? > If the problem disappears, then the server is up the creek. > I am stumped, as far as I can tell it's no local config problem, but what's causing it? I have no idea.. Am I the only one seeing these errors ? Paul >> >> The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all make me >> suspect it is not a local problem on >> my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. >> >> Paul >> >> PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well >> > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 12:44:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44C1065691 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F4F8FC1D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so14117qwe.7 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:44:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8AbDp2SI82gKahFTdUBaJyP7X6nG09izRFP0riXE1QA=; b=HEPoViZFSAYaMYS0SpORqR/g/+RQhtltlcBIZgootP0xFE/pEHSAFH8n7VhnCm1Ok0 /bAca6iWbdLALZnINPR6xC7vQEtvHc38RfDDomQYNEUC5q2DAeKSuMP6+JRciFTT2+uZ W9Uc/8M7vq2g9h1Ij9/Zpn8/CN9lDshMdeubE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=sVudMnXA5shDz14dSVJK9jTdSuRS6quQObmL0bsiALoT2bEJz0Lb5ZWC+WyvU81IBv k2ue+8rbH1nJ6U6fF0eLo+uFg9Nb0sdGESrq6jmwnRv6FS3NmIdMwIwFvq+EhqogawET 341uuIyCpmxvXqkZCdPhch8ctYR+4sIGf/5UM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.73.69 with SMTP id p5mr5620vcj.11.1245759399191; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:16:39 +1000 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: The Gimp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:44:48 -0000 Due to some meteorological disasters I've had to replace my 6.1 FreeBSD system and I've installed 7.2 on the refurbished i386 computer: freebsd [22:03] ~>uname -a FreeBSD freebsd.connect-a.com.au 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 My desktop is KDE Version 4.2.2 (not yet sure that this is an improvement over the previous version). I'm starting to re-install software using portupgrade (portinstall). I've a few problems with that, but I'll leave that to another post. The immediate problem is that I've used portinstall to install gimp (picture processing software) which I was happily using on the previous version. It installs OK (after a fearful amount of time) but when I start it, I get a segmentation fault: freebsd [22:07] ~>gimp & [1] 3696 freebsd [22:09] ~> [1] Segmentation fault gimp freebsd [22:09] ~> If I run as root, there is no problem: freebsd [22:09] ~>sudo gimp & [1] 3700 freebsd [22:10] ~> [1] + Suspended (tty output) sudo gimp freebsd [22:10] ~>fg sudo gimp Password: freebsd [22:11] ~> It starts OK and I can use it fine. The config file ".gimp-2.6" is saved in root's home directory. I've tried RTFM, but there is no information on this problem. Maybe it's due to some library having the wrong permissions and I should search the system for files with 544 permissions or something. Does anyone have a clue as to what's going on, or should I report a bug? Thanks heaps. Rob Hurle -- ----------------------------- Rob Hurle Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies, ANU e-mail: rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 (Currently in Australia) Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 (Currently in Australia) ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 12:47:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DB6106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD1E8FC24 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so45388ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xhpiy+zXgaM2DMI4J81I//MMjoSQWQN1wte/5ZeMQBc=; b=NWrootRDIkIqeNoT7sdbRTqYQkLXj/WqO/FPGBzc2cJWMaAuo8I7zqHCpPhFmleWYf k2KQyWn149XJDxtl878fo/MRfG08+HQPebMtZfuV0hKi+P3cnbL0mWYDrcWw3LVltU9q yCtH9K2hbd/DPcpBvZQhY+JGRBv4stTQh0X2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uIArp3vi9Hyke8Br0GlZwFvrlEK4ldVoc/h3qhfecqI8xtxImVEpUzqV2ELhkoHtV6 RS5+U82ghBqG4oXHeiRg6k1AzSvD1YAMO0EMxCyo6o3c6+O8ftd0XZvIU+K1bGXvbCeH bssdaSvSBB+x3TqAOhMpXhNVmxeO07//x5Xj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.19 with SMTP id j19mr13459wea.46.1245761233971; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090622225059.0add9f97@gom> References: <20090622225059.0add9f97@gom> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: prad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:47:16 -0000 "why does the speed of a connection make it a higher risk?" Super-fast connections are ideal targets for people to install private fileservers (among other things). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:31:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E791065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79FD8FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ65w-0008QP-A9; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:28 +0100 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id n5NDVQwO025381; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:26 +0100 Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7BCB7FCA505; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:21 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Paul van der Zwan Message-ID: <20090623133121.GA18931@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Paul van der Zwan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.4-RELEASE-p2 i386 X-Organisation: 'http://www.shute.org.uk/' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.1.7 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:27 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:31:33 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:43:36PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: > > > On 23 jun 2009, at 05:55, Frank Shute wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: >>> >>> The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing >>> src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. >>> No errors appear on ports-all. >>> Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? >> >> Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html >> >> Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror >> sites. >> > > I have tried both cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.nl.freebsd.org with both > csup and cvsup and I get checksum mismatches on all attempts. Haven't tried those 2 but I'm OK on cvsup3.uk.freebsd.org so I suspect the problem is with your end. > >> If you've got the same problem, then your cvsup config file for src >> could be up the creek. >> > I have deleted /usr/sup/src-all/* bun that did not fix the checksum > errors, > just gave me a lot of SetAttr messages the first run. I wonder if it is some sort of permission problem. Runlevel OK? You might want to check if somebody has done something funny with extended attributes (setextattr(8) etc.). > If you mean my c{v}sup config file, that hasn't been changed in years > and > how would an error in that file cause errors on src-all but none on > ports-all ? I didn't know you had ports and src in the same config. I keep mine separately. Where do you put your ports btw? Under /usr/sup/ or /usr/ports/ ? > > >> If the problem disappears, then the server is up the creek. >> > I am stumped, as far as I can tell it's no local config problem, but > what's causing it? > I have no idea.. > Am I the only one seeing these errors ? Maybe you could cut & paste the output from a run & post it. (Or the bits that look relevant). Use script(1) to capture the output. > > Paul > >>> >>> The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all make me >>> suspect it is not a local problem on >>> my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well >>> >> >> Regards, >> >>-- >> >> Frank >> Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:41:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849EF1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD08FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so68933qyk.3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:41:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pEKWyPTwNsnSDkvQCYoDq5eYXn5QsG0PY5VwUJdE/Ew=; b=DuOEoGKe11m2MT3tKTD95wg5NdTnqIh9oahkhWz4rltJWpkHV5uN9yJ+UTnYjs2tTE MIG0z4zkXRcf1cc27TJNnCkWlk8YvKt8zHSbbgFloNWR9xt4LqdfCFWP10BFWFzFu0b3 0PErcJuinA3eG+dyd6T3eMMqQr4sq46EBtab0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f+0vF0pWknMZvVE9b1LrQYOKqX70Hy4XDdr8hlRg0XaQJCw6Gd/AfUHJeMPgZxlKCu tk825s8FLuZqezUUAWBdtGfmwD7KSYeOQm70x2FTx3l1vYHyZIsIPvhLqlpUip1AOykK IWjpSTioSGQCwFBBmLG0qTvgakP65qX4chBBs= Received: by 10.224.36.198 with SMTP id u6mr78478qad.199.1245764516317; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?152.144.218.35? ([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm225285qwf.46.2009.06.23.06.41.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:11:48 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gesbbb@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:41:57 -0000 > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:34:00 -0400 > From: Jerry > Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20090620163400.62143980@scorpio.seibercom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:31:45 +0530 > Manish Jain wrote: > >> Looks like nobody at freebsd-questions has any answers for me. Maybe >> 7.2-x86 doesn't like newish amd hardware. > > post the output of: pciconf -lv as well as dmesg. Also your rc.conf and > PolicyKit.conf files might be useful. > > -- > Jerry > gesbbb@yahoo.com Hi, I have solved most of the problems listed in my previous message with help from Roland Smith. The fact still remains that FreeBSD-7.2 has some definite problems on AMD hardware : 1) On multi-core systems, the cores don't get initialized properly and you get messages like : "AP #1 (PHY# 1) failed !" followed by panic. The solution is to reboot, maybe as many as 6-7 times. 2) The uhub/ums module fails to load and /dev/ums0 consequently won't get created. The workaround is to unplug your USB mouse just before the boot process begins, and plug it back in once you get the console. I have googled for the above 2 problems and there seem to many folks suffering from the ills, with no solution except the ones I have listed above. And these problems almost always occur on AMD multi-core systems. I hope the next release will address these problems, as well as a pretty reasonable request from me much earlier to move vi from /usr/bin to /bin. Even in single-user mode, you almost always need an editor. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:43:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE331065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matej.serc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B3D8FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matej.serc@gmail.com) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so66925bwz.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=b7u4fM3gCb7XHkVahnAMGpMr0f+xM1lsY6RmdowGEAE=; b=mpH9gbsjWzcTQ0N2/KWqwHaOrGDpvHxi8yAHOKZl9Fv620egX+RNiBGkZ3gG0pbJnd CjCckKh8cSMEtzcoL312cSfUyabS0ZF2O8kY0D9q08fXtGtMgvyr/5rsFQCrby34s9c9 4+fc20+77+Jw2WfH57AHFegLch+c6RHaNnApg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=SryeaixWALfbT3FvRqhyrMx8eDUnEUB42yFyEdKrwTFbcxumBag7r5Hc3qGzVWA3Ib Ll6s88PO0z7XC4SX2SSukw70+VE/alProfxenwkFT86K6tfYi8Gin0S8OnM61s6C0G9U nuuSOax4pJ4X2bSfK7h2b3h09DVUaBaO9u+Bw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.133 with SMTP id p5mr62572bkh.143.1245764613478; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:43:33 +0200 Message-ID: <497fe93d0906230643j7dc2c50g25b6b80650ca6ab8@mail.gmail.com> From: =?windows-1252?Q?Matej_=8Aerc?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Multi-homed FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:43:36 -0000 Hi, we have a FreeBSD machine currently using PPPoE with NAT. As we already have the cable connection which is about the same speed, I was just wondering of doing some load balancing for the outside connection. I have no experiences with that and will be really glad if someone could point some things, where to look and what to read. Also your configurations and experiences regarding this fact are very welcome. Thanks, Matej From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:53:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44031065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734BB8FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so112704ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:53:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/SUnp/BaKvRDNyF+WnCxTRI8p2O9JYK2Sa9uzdaeBJc=; b=aYnId20j+5t74THWDa+QXgXEREk/kZeS7QTADBHLfMO2Wj+NlYEFeprpcJe24pHZ1j Tl0YSQCnq9f4HNX6rl7Aiz8/8bllQOviQzNf/5ZJc1Evdlj8KTy+jtpvnVjdPjbXlZVi AXTQomC4JDoWvrc9DR+6KEuVqhPt/SgmudygE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vbcz3tRXWihuhI5UaJ3AKsf/wQHHx8uTAr/UkCfun0Un/+dY7wNR0nNmnR6inWPygW ZFIplZ3yU3k1OX9kMIdw7ioSIfta9Eg6Z1vkFmKHQEBdHJJ7nUq7vKQOdZ2IiyR18VRA 8d68LldbEX6mvmHpTMBBEL0ZOoMzdllswLn/A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.19 with SMTP id j19mr42579wea.46.1245765210423; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:53:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:53:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Erik Norgaard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:33 -0000 > I do not believe that tricks like running ssh on a > non standard port or using port-knocking provide > much extra security. I can understand that varying the port is not a very strong defensive measure, but I don't understand your point about port-knocking. If you configure a complex and seemingly random sequence of knocks before allowing an IP access to your ssh port, have you not significantly strengthened your ssh server? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:53:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3FF1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD668FC19 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:62275 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ6RA-0006HC-4I for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:53:26 +0200 Received: (qmail 83179 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2009 15:53:21 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2009 15:53:21 +0200 Received: (qmail 22004 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Jun 2009 15:53:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:53:21 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Paul van der Zwan Message-ID: <20090623135321.GA21992@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MJ6RA-0006HC-4I. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MJ6RA-0006HC-4I 1618af9f9d435f85d311a6d760857b39 Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:53:34 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:43:36PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: > > On 23 jun 2009, at 05:55, Frank Shute wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: > >> > >> The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing > >> src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. > >> No errors appear on ports-all. > >> Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? > > > > Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > > > > Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror > > sites. > > > > I have tried both cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.nl.freebsd.org with both > csup and cvsup and I get checksum mismatches on all attempts. > > > If you've got the same problem, then your cvsup config file for src > > could be up the creek. > > > I have deleted /usr/sup/src-all/* bun that did not fix the checksum > errors, > just gave me a lot of SetAttr messages the first run. > If you mean my c{v}sup config file, that hasn't been changed in years > and > how would an error in that file cause errors on src-all but none on > ports-all ? > > > > If the problem disappears, then the server is up the creek. > > > I am stumped, as far as I can tell it's no local config problem, but > what's causing it? > I have no idea.. > Am I the only one seeing these errors ? Nope, I am seeing exactly the same thing. (And I am using different mirrors than you are.) Since I too am only seeing this for src-all and not ports-all I suspect it may be a problem with the svn->cvs export. (src-all is nowadays maintained in a subversion repository and the changes automatically exported to the cvs repository, while ports-all is still maintained directly in the cvs repository.) Note: I use cvsup to maintain a local copy of the cvs repository. It is not clear if you too is doing that, or if you use cvsup to check out just the latest version. > > Paul > > >> > >> The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all make me > >> suspect it is not a local problem on > >> my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well > >> -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 13:57:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6021065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f200.google.com (mail-yx0-f200.google.com [209.85.210.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113FA8FC1E for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so141885yxe.3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uQus7KsIT8OzcWg+gcKJtCN/E/71BIk4KlOg7qxfVp0=; b=QHliKwII9okVdOZG1AykeKi2gIfvkcswvVXuFuLGY/oDuCK1+UZOyoXWAyaaAK4Dfr HTt2k3Ak+Xns/m1KauEIPhdKemx2mX3oRTd/YHw3Z66Jmq+/mK2HlZ14SYeHO+NUMpEO ag9gF0R5xE1bktZwh9GZYYMBf7a62CYnhHJ+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qTUhy9Rl1zllLBVJXFAhm6VR/h7oL3cAgsK8rA02lQqQgX2KNZYzBIBjZEK2s54ccz g7XUsvWe/Vm/fAG4/1HQ/yYP9hd50CZdyA70EBccFZwIUXH/BmYBLRBeuRB8MB2JUrpu TAfk/WjNonym+pKA2LTxPviiaktnBpiwvdvLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.8.17 with SMTP id l17mr25769mui.125.1245765418022; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: links for hal and hplip X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:57:02 -0000 For those of you, like myself, struggling with hal and printing (separate issues), check out the links below. You will note that the freebsd gnome page is at freebsd.org, but the freebsd kde page is at freebsd.kde.org. The hplip information at the kde site is not specific to kde. The hal faq at the gnome page has some information that is not specific to gnome. gnome: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome hal: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html kde: http://freebsd.kde.org hplip: http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/hplip.php Best of luck, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:06:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158C61065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47D8FC1F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so126419ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jtbGWQ2Kyxd5wRqEO8fayuNOk5Lw25rMiMR8WRxpF+w=; b=Ybk44a3xFQRYaC/Xp62diDtmAjX+CA7nz4NWx/t2VFjzcSEr+8M9/C9sZET517a5pm ne7uUfzO+K98VH9Ru1N39g+hy8wY22Lkv+sXQ0KMGxXxsROY7Ocn8mfyeZnjGSEO7Fuz 0BUvc0vHzcX24wx9VnHe8C8tG+Y+ZvbrSHKlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ZmoKVqvT4JRuSi2iUl9Pe5iSq45zqspVSj29YJwJMkHgs0+ePgGSImQyFebdrdSsaK dSFqOYfHnfYj5EBngEf8Tqu8euIRosDw7E844vXplx94Gi78Y2kq7kshDGRUd4XgCW/P I2UB8wcnCjcCIQrukyfozMzYgPc+xs6LIuIBM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.20.74 with SMTP id o52mr38922weo.147.1245765963040; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:06:05 -0000 Looking at my ~/.ssh directory, I see the following permissions: -rw-r--r-- Which I understand to be equivalent to 644. I read here that ~/.ssh ought to have permissions 700. Which is preferable, and why? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:10:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ABC1065679 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [77.238.184.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 788ED8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: (qmail 96426 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2009 14:10:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=KtvS4sJpnbYOdeu4YDYQiqA6AbHylXmzSne+qC9wlVN1xeFLNndq0Lw81s9+4pKFJYvBVhc6bIkDVEWlltWLIQeeYEYEj66pdPCsiIgIX8eoWJZLyq3C/L+tM22L28/qp4cmMmWVzRt+6HzbSpF9XPA7J1XJY9OhFSxFuQhMyMA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO suer) (meslists@151.49.236.170 with plain) by smtp136.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 14:10:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: vQQ_Xl6swBCl_II246m4P1b5oVD4 X-YMail-OSG: CgY.wUAVM1l7t8DVpJ8fp7WVugRPinM8fjWYpdXUxstvGEUJ_.yhf41helnRsyoYmAT27pI1Fra1GxXcQg1u8WhJF1yKH7jeMjDdaIHFpMrjzRNwTSczph4d7tBA98rndDQotvENzi5mBitiMCHy2CeydeRCTOd7X6JSe7vLdsGVpIPTITgSX5k_jK5LmyqOeLz261_sH.h8cqc0MXnAMrn3SdmjmtQGUszdSox5J9gPVbXWZWJ8sU4Q3DioNJaTLkbYeuaeXrnpz_xP6MAY.IZKxXN4iH9e8bMbIMjxSasTeIz4zSk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:09:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090622223459.GA75560@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20090622223459.GA75560@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906231609.29391.meslists@yahoo.fr> Subject: Thanks [upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: meslists@yahoo.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:10:14 -0000 Hello ! Thanks alll of you for taking time to answer my mail. I really appreciate it. I have (well...the system has) succesfully done the upgrade. I used both pkg_updating and portupdate-scan to scan UPDATING [pkg_updating did not show an entry suggesting to update python to version 2.6 (which Portupdate-scan did)]. AS UPDATING suggests, I made the switch from python 2.5 to python 2.6 (using portupgrade). Then I did a "mass" upgrade... portupgrade -ab --batch ... It took 6h30 upgrading 40 ports (not many ports because I installed this system only few months ago). [Now I should find where the backup packages have been sent] Thanks again and see you here ! d p.s. Robert I meant to say if you prefer to upgrade just a selection of the ports or all of the ports together ;-) On Tuesday 23 June 2009 00:34:59 Charlie Kester wrote: > On Mon 22 Jun 2009 at 13:48:02 PDT RW wrote: > >On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > > > >Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it > >> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or > >> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been > >> down to an individual ports. > > > >You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the issues > >automatically, but not all. > > that durned human element again! > > would be nice if a port upgrade tool did that for you, displayed any > entries related to ports that need updating, and gave you a chance to > postpone the update until you've taken whatever actions UPDATING > suggests > > would require UPDATING to be written in a consistent, machine-readable > format > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:15:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784961065677 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4154C8FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:15:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n5NEC3kj044750; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n5NEC3GB044749; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:12:03 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090623141202.GB44661@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:15:17 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:06:03AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Looking at my ~/.ssh directory, I see the following permissions: > > -rw-r--r-- > > Which I understand to be equivalent to 644. > > I read here that > ~/.ssh ought to have permissions 700. > > Which is preferable, and why? Well, generically, 700 allows you to do anything you want with the file as owner, but no other id (except root) can touch it in any way - not even look at it. I don't really know if it would hurt to allow others to read it or not, but in the philosophy of if access is not needed, then don't provide it, I would make it limited to 700. I just looked at mine and it is set to 700. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:16:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F643106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960C08FC1B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so137141ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Puy01xbEwGdOJKN30hNxJBs+0iVYlHY5ciJsYZTmXBY=; b=hjXm5392PSO0g1MTf+1KXOp0Q/LPJ6rotf23ERnw7zD3K+qci4n0Qm4tj3+zVwuwbR 0MPWi29yf5qj6SVBJ9T28S0T5Inda3WKvy/TSPWYWT2s3ShQJGl2vMFQXnUQty4Z306Q 2LwlvpMXuJhlKYkoZ2Ro0W7bXM1K4z+0pBA2o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OtktjprSWIMuO4yvzHA8ysoN0KVNedvhnFWdmLzyF5T58JFvi7/FMCqSyfT1t3DPGX qK+S12K4sp4R4uxe+msrBSyT4swuQv3JWDOW5+ZIIkeH8D4hj4bXgujtOD+Utk79KL7+ Cu0TiQ8AhNqejeZ5AfMVRCkDkS6jqDmmSgu7o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.18.195 with SMTP id l45mr48628wel.59.1245766587384; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090623141202.GB44661@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090623141202.GB44661@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:16:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:16:36 -0000 Thanks. Might as well set to 700 then. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:23:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3441065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A2E8FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MJ6uI-0004vD-63 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:30 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.65.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:30 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:30 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:25:12 -0400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:33 -0000 Paul van der Zwan wrote: > > On 23 jun 2009, at 05:55, Frank Shute wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: >>> >>> The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup-ing >>> src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. >>> No errors appear on ports-all. >>> Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? >> >> Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html >> >> Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror >> sites. >> > > I have tried both cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.nl.freebsd.org with both > csup and cvsup and I get checksum mismatches on all attempts. [snip] About a week ago I csup'ed src-all from cvsup.nl.freebsd.org and rebuilt my systems. I just did it again to test, although since it was up to date nothing new was changed/downloaded. No checksum errors at all with either event. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:29:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F291065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalin@el.net) Received: from mail.el.net (mail.el.net [74.1.12.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857948FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalin@el.net) Received: (qmail 20633 invoked by uid 1008); 23 Jun 2009 15:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kalins-macbook-pro.local) (kalin@el.net@24.193.246.51) by mail.el.net with ESMTPA; 23 Jun 2009 15:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4A40E685.3070004@el.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:28:21 -0400 From: kalin m User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: utisoft@gmail.com References: <4A4063B6.1000104@el.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: cannot find -lltdl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:29:07 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/23 kalin m : > >> hi all.. >> >> this is a bit awkward.... >> >> i'm building php 5.2.10 from source on freebsd 7.0. using: >> >> ./configure --with-layout=GNU --with-config-file-scan-dir=/usr/local/etc/php >> --disable-all --enable-libxml --with-libxml-dir=/usr/local >> --enable-reflection --program-prefix= --disable-cgi >> --with-apxs2=/etc/httpd/bin/apxs --with-regex=php --with-zend-vm=CALL >> --prefix=/usr/local --mandir=/usr/local/man --infodir=/usr/local/info/ >> --with-pcre-regex --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql --with-curl --enable-ctype >> --enable-dom --enable-exif --enable-filter --with-gd --with-openssl >> --enable-json --with-iconv --with-mhash --with-mcrypt >> >> >> the configuration runs fine but the build breaks: >> .............................. >> main/internal_functions.lo -lcrypt -lcrypt -lmysqlclient -lmhash -lmcrypt >> -lltdl -liconv -lpng -lz -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lm -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm >> -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -lz -lxml2 -lz -liconv -lm -lcrypt -lcrypt -o >> libphp5.la >> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lltdl >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/local/src/php-5.2.10. >> >> # locate ltdl >> /usr/local/share/aclocal/ltdl.m4 >> /usr/local/share/libtool/libltdl >> ........... >> >> the thing is it already build once with the same configuration options. an >> hour ago. and it is working. but i need to add more stuff to this. if i take >> off --with-mcrypt it builds fine. i have mcrypt already and i need it. and >> don't want to reinstall without it.... >> >> any help? >> >> thanks... >> > > > Why aren't you using ports? > there isn't ports for all that i need compiling with 5.2.10. > > > Chris > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:33:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093BF106568B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ACC8FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MJ74K-0005NR-6U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:52 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.65.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:52 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:52 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:35:30 -0400 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> <20090623083930.GA90810@ei.bzerk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:33:54 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:35:56PM -0500, Dan Nelson typed: >> In the last episode (Jun 22), Ruben de Groot said: >> > >> > My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would >> > break anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the >> > POST method included in the http accept filter in the first place? >> >> The filter wasn't designed to be an anti-DOS tool; it was an optimization >> to >> save some context switches at the beginning of every request. POSTs are > > I know this. But in this particular case, it *works* as an anti-DOS tool. > And a pretty good one too. > >> infrequent, always include extra trailing data after the headers, and end >> up doing more processing at the server end than plain GET or HEADs, so >> buffering the first line of the request doesn't really help much. > > Well, it helps against this slowloris script. And I don't see it costing > much. > >> You're better off adding a request-max-time limit to your webserver, or >> doing random-drops of existing connections if you get close to your fd or >> thread limit. > > I'm exploring these options as well, but they have their own drawbacks. > > Anyway, since it doesn't look like I'm breaking anything by buffering the > POST headers, I'm gonna maintain this as a local patch until something > better comes along. > I was interested to follow this, as I was under the impression http accept filter was more for performance rather than security. Since I use it anyway I was happy to learn of these facts. Although not directly related, per se, you may also be interested in: http://www.modsecurity.org/projects/modsecurity/apache/index.html It can be useful in narrowing the scope of allowable POST content to mitigate SQL injection techniques. The default pattern is overly broad but if you are only intent on tightening up one web app on one server it is possible to tune it to be more specific. Not a magic bullet, but every layer in the onion helps. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:40:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02F01065680 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.163]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFF98FC19 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:40:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP18 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:39:42 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.23.177.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.23.177.172]) by BLU0-SMTP18.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:39:41 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 100DB228D8 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C7120228C3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Questions Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 14:39:41.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[7164DF20:01C9F410] Subject: Problem starting slapd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:40:43 -0000 FreeBSD-7.2 openldap-server-2.4.16_1 I just installed this port. For some reason it will not start correctly. I have all of the information entered in the /etc/rc.conf file and the slapd.conf and ldap.conf files are configured correctly. There is no 'PID' file created. Below is what I receive when I attempt to start or stop the program. /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd start Starting slapd. /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd stop slapd not running? (check /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid). /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ls /var/run/openldap ldapi= /usr/local/etc/rc.d # There is a 'socket' created, but that is it. I a pulling my hair out, what is left of it, trying to figure out what the problem is. Any suggestions? Thanks! -- Carmel carmel@hotmail.com I would have made a good pope. Richard Nixon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:41:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C8106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0518FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so127163qyk.3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:41:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T6iHRBrhkzIeqPs6Vzf+X8iUixqAeIHQbPtAAJYyTc8=; b=JgTRt9afthRhPnAhM+lo4Bvo3d/3BD2rBq+B/Q0F9C6EtbcXcaotjOr4ksL00Tb7gZ Oot9OycRdFXdTbC9rxl2HnAMOLHywP+heFcAciEW6k/wZF8T+RWe4CyE+8aw41CdtVV+ 4cR7xsmdKXw7MN2SEAbGnO6tmXMKJxo5UITh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DMq9tMv7PpqvYH5NoXjLTvlH0AmXfOm2wO6aOZEUwe7itE7ZHoDnX12KhWWZf785oZ bLyzDRHjqAXJHetmc4+QdI8Z4MJN6CznFrqSspgtFx9XeTCcPg1lYxTEkfGa0AsUtY4g FSHJVfgr48W9fU79CKYmMvtlNQqAE5KT1Rm+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.45.133 with SMTP id e5mr231392vcf.28.1245768092983; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <497fe93d0906230643j7dc2c50g25b6b80650ca6ab8@mail.gmail.com> References: <497fe93d0906230643j7dc2c50g25b6b80650ca6ab8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:41:32 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: =?windows-1252?Q?Matej_=8Aerc?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Multi-homed FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:41:35 -0000 On 6/23/09, Matej =8Aerc wrote: > Hi, > > we have a FreeBSD machine currently using PPPoE with NAT. As we already h= ave > the cable connection which is about the same speed, I was just wondering = of > doing some load balancing for the outside connection. I have no experienc= es > with that and will be really glad if someone could point some things, whe= re > to look and what to read. Also your configurations and experiences regard= ing > this fact are very welcome. > > Thanks, > Matej This question has been asked very frequently on this list, starting with my thread about multiple gateways on may 31st. Best option is by using firewall routing options, since bsd itself cannot add more than one gateway (which I think is the TCP/IP standard, being only one gateway) please google and read, and if you have further questions, follow up and ask questions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:44:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B29106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:44:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E174D8FC20 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:44:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so56008qwe.7 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MBh8FgWrpM19jp3Yzvd0U6vIZXlECyh/EHWpK9BNEY0=; b=Nv44z34iL8OJsPkIiu0HBfrwzUF3DvOJleDwOUNW6MmDHlBt4unk1ZeuKt9yQ5Rlju H/qSiWjbuykI1s9YYB89dfNfIcbUahT4hA93ARqmGe5p53ANOQ5eaqlTcGpnvcrVDUgA avKSNrVENTG1R0QPQLRicsLs7Cr6CdHA6B6fA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cSmlpCqg2xnb2xO+xB+YZ1CQ797xz1UwzU3p8zgZguC4l2TXA5PqbM3eNfCTnhW9kA U2PJVpA9KxlWnKEcFLaGMB/s4GukaYTqHLQ8e0owIQwcAkaz//5vb/6kF4sX/TI8MtKV bZZX1MuJV8IDE4++MuI8R5RKeyaAIRtw2n5O0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.76.147 with SMTP id c19mr210319vck.96.1245768293134; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:44:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: carmel@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Problem starting slapd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:44:54 -0000 On 6/23/09, Carmel NY wrote: > FreeBSD-7.2 > openldap-server-2.4.16_1 > > I just installed this port. For some reason it will not start > correctly. I have all of the information entered in the /etc/rc.conf > file and the slapd.conf and ldap.conf files are configured correctly. > > There is no 'PID' file created. Below is what I receive when I attempt > to start or stop the program. > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd start > Starting slapd. > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd stop > slapd not running? (check /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid). > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ls /var/run/openldap > ldapi= > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # > > There is a 'socket' created, but that is it. I a pulling my hair out, > what is left of it, trying to figure out what the problem is. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks! is there a /usr/local/etc/openldap/slapd.conf? does it pass muster, config check 'n all? did you enable logging? would you pastebin your slapd.conf - masking out any passwords or sensitive information? I've run slapd plenty times, I bet it's something with your config file. Posting your /usr/ports/net/openldap24-server make showconfig would be appreciative too. --TJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:46:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAB41065691 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EEF8FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.141] (helo=smtp10.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7Gr-0001cB-Gd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:49 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp10.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7Gn-0000sM-T3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:45 +0200 Received: from [192.168.13.77] (Peters-iPod.egypt.nl [192.168.13.77]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B76239840 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:44 +0200 (CEST) References: Message-Id: From: Peter Boosten To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPod Mail (7A341) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7A341) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:42 +0200 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MJ7Gn-0000sM-T3 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: Problem starting slapd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:46:53 -0000 On 23 jun 2009, at 16:39, Carmel NY wrote: > FreeBSD-7.2 > openldap-server-2.4.16_1 > > I just installed this port. For some reason it will not start > correctly. I have all of the information entered in the /etc/rc.conf > file and the slapd.conf and ldap.conf files are configured correctly. > > There is no 'PID' file created. Below is what I receive when I attempt > to start or stop the program. > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd start > Starting slapd. > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ./slapd stop > slapd not running? (check /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid). > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # ls /var/run/openldap > ldapi= > /usr/local/etc/rc.d # > > There is a 'socket' created, but that is it. I a pulling my hair out, > what is left of it, trying to figure out what the problem is. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks! > Check permissions on /var/run/openldap Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:47:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25975106568C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from smtp3.bbeyond.nl (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2698FC17 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Received: from amavisd-new (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) by smtp3.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872A084D5D; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: BBeyond amavisd-new at smtp3.bbeyond.nl Received: from smtp3.bbeyond.nl ([82.204.126.17]) by amavisd-new (smtp3.bbeyond.nl [82.204.126.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pj2jt+YaXYxm; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hari.vanderzwan.org (62-177-151-219.dsl.bbeyond.nl [62.177.151.219]) by smtp3.bbeyond.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405B4849CF; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vimes.vanderzwan.org (vimes.vanderzwan.org [192.168.200.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by hari.vanderzwan.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NEktl4015847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paulz@vanderzwan.org) Message-Id: <23615866-B3A8-41FF-A748-07F057D0011A@vanderzwan.org> From: Paul van der Zwan To: Erik Trulsson In-Reply-To: <20090623135321.GA21992@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:54 +0200 References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> <20090623135321.GA21992@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (hari.vanderzwan.org [192.168.200.4]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Frank Shute , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:47:01 -0000 On 23 jun 2009, at 15:53, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:43:36PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: >> >> On 23 jun 2009, at 05:55, Frank Shute wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:17:40PM +0200, Paul van der Zwan wrote: >>>> >>>> The last few days I see a dozens of Checksum mismatches when csup- >>>> ing >>>> src-all from cvsup.freebsd.org. >>>> No errors appear on ports-all. >>>> Is there a problem with the cvs repository ? >>> >>> Most people will use a local mirror as listed in the handbook: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html >>> >>> Check and see if you have the same problem with one of the mirror >>> sites. >>> >> >> I have tried both cvsup.freebsd.org and cvsup.nl.freebsd.org with >> both >> csup and cvsup and I get checksum mismatches on all attempts. >> >>> If you've got the same problem, then your cvsup config file for src >>> could be up the creek. >>> >> I have deleted /usr/sup/src-all/* bun that did not fix the checksum >> errors, >> just gave me a lot of SetAttr messages the first run. >> If you mean my c{v}sup config file, that hasn't been changed in years >> and >> how would an error in that file cause errors on src-all but none on >> ports-all ? >> >> >>> If the problem disappears, then the server is up the creek. >>> >> I am stumped, as far as I can tell it's no local config problem, but >> what's causing it? >> I have no idea.. >> Am I the only one seeing these errors ? > > > Nope, I am seeing exactly the same thing. (And I am using different > mirrors > than you are.) > Since I too am only seeing this for src-all and not ports-all I > suspect it may be a problem with the svn->cvs export. (src-all is > nowadays > maintained in a subversion repository and the changes automatically > exported > to the cvs repository, while ports-all is still maintained directly > in the > cvs repository.) > Well at least I am not the only one seeing these errors. I think we can rule out a local problem and will have to wait for someone to fix this. > Note: I use cvsup to maintain a local copy of the cvs repository. > It is not clear if you too is doing that, or if you use cvsup to > check out > just the latest version. > > I use cvsup/csup to mirror the cvs repo and I do a local cvs checkout. But until these errors are fixed I will not be doing any checkouts and build for src. I don't think I can trust the repository... Paul >> >> Paul >> >>>> >>>> The fact that all errors are on src-all and none on ports-all >>>> make me >>>> suspect it is not a local problem on >>>> my system as both end up on the same filesystem here. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> PS I am not on this list so please reply directly as well >>>> > > > > -- > > Erik Trulsson > ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:48:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FF310656F5 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536678FC17 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.144] (helo=smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7Ia-00059s-5q; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:48:36 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp13.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7IS-0001yX-Rb; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:48:28 +0200 Received: from [192.168.13.77] (Peters-iPod.egypt.nl [192.168.13.77]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E18239840; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:48:27 +0200 (CEST) References: Message-Id: <4B45B6F6-007E-4DDC-994F-1369FEAEBA7D@boosten.org> From: Peter Boosten To: Daniel Underwood In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPod Mail (7A341) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7A341) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:48:25 +0200 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MJ7IS-0001yX-Rb X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.6, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:48:38 -0000 On 23 jun 2009, at 16:06, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Looking at my ~/.ssh directory, I see the following permissions: > > -rw-r--r-- > > Which I understand to be equivalent to 644. > > I read here that > ~/.ssh ought to have permissions 700. > > Which is preferable, and why? > __ 700, you private key(s) go in there. Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:52:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE4710656AA for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883158FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:52:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5NEqVhb013474; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:52:27 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090623145227.GA22803@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:52:36 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for > > the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and > > 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am > > taking a break and thought i'd share this. > > > > last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. > > these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. > > i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. > > so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... > > not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. > > today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have > native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x or > whatever. > > This flash chips have to emulate hard drive, which slows them down > manyfold so is there any best guess regarding what timeframe a filesystem for freebsd might exist? on the you-tube demo they were using [i think] XP. i'll see if i can find the site. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:03:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DF61065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010458FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP85 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s17.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:03:18 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.23.177.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.23.177.172]) by BLU0-SMTP85.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:03:18 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ABB51228D8 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6DB27228C3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:03:16 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 15:03:18.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDD9060:01C9F413] Subject: Re: Problem starting slapd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:19 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:42 +0200 Peter Boosten wrote: > Check permissions on /var/run/openldap drwxr-xr-x 2 ldap ldap 512B Jun 23 10:57 openldap/ They appear to be correct. I might add, that I did a complete deinstall of the port, removed the /usr/local/etc/openldap directory and the start up script and then reinstalled the port. The only thing I have not done is remove DB46 and reinstall that. I really don't think that would effect anything anyway. -- Carmel carmel@hotmail.com Do not do unto others as you would they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same. George Bernard Shaw From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:04:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C3910656A7 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CAB8FC2D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MJ7XT-0006sn-0P for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:59 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.65.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:59 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:03:59 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:05:38 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4A4063B6.1000104@el.net> <4A40E685.3070004@el.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: cannot find -lltdl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:02 -0000 kalin m wrote: > > > Chris Rees wrote: >> 2009/6/23 kalin m : [snip] >> >> >> Why aren't you using ports? >> > > there isn't ports for all that i need compiling with 5.2.10. Yes there is. You install the main PHP5 port first, then follow up by installing the php5-extensions port. When you either do it the first time, or subsequently do make config you will be presented with a menu listing all the php extension options. This is where you build the individual module(s) which you require. For example, the most common is probably MySQL support. You would tick the box next to the mysql module in the menu. Even if you chose to build all of them you can deactivate any you don't need after the fact in /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini file. Strongly recommended for you to use the ports system. You will find your system much more easily maintainable for the future. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:04:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9352410656A5 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51C68FC2D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=OrVF9cjJZfDWFo6nPl7TewLkDBNKDrSe36ex3ykV+MualRz1dJXOJdSxQk+zsTyIWHUpd2Lr8pHz6ru4w8FR5k2gv/jfkMMttvjZEUjLp23FLyv4JMhmbo/BjhBe3Cf5; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:53536) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7Xg-000OIE-7U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:12 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:15 -0000 On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: > I hope the next release will address these problems, as well as a pretty > reasonable request from me much earlier to move vi from /usr/bin to > /bin. Even in single-user mode, you almost always need an editor. Which is why you have ed(1) - both in /bin and in /rescue - and /rescue/vi (although that needs a bit of tweaking due to the /etc/termcap problem). Bear in mind that /usr/bin/vi is over 300K, compared to the whole of /bin which is ~950K (if you avoid double-counting entries like /bin/csh and /bin/tcsh which are hardlinks to the same file), so you need to convince people who think /bin should stay small to let it grow by a third to save people learning ed(1). Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:10:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C2B1065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9D18FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MJ7dW-0007Dj-TL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:15 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.65.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:14 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:14 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:11:53 -0400 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <20090623035551.GA17425@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <8114361F-1975-46C3-8168-7033555AF9DB@vanderzwan.org> <20090623135321.GA21992@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <23615866-B3A8-41FF-A748-07F057D0011A@vanderzwan.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-65-138.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Checksum mismatches when csup-ing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@verizon.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:10:18 -0000 Paul van der Zwan wrote: [snip] >> > Well at least I am not the only one seeing these errors. I think we can > rule out a local problem and will have to wait for someone to fix this. > >> Note: I use cvsup to maintain a local copy of the cvs repository. >> It is not clear if you too is doing that, or if you use cvsup to >> check out >> just the latest version. >> >> > > I use cvsup/csup to mirror the cvs repo and I do a local cvs checkout. > But until these errors are fixed I will not be doing any checkouts and > build > for src. I don't think I can trust the repository... > > [snip] Ah - OK. Got it now. Maintaining you own local repository, e.g. not just a simple src upgrade/download such as I do here for basic updating. I recently saw something about this, IIRC on the -Current, or possible - Stable list explaining this. It had something to do with the export from SVN back to CVS. I believe the developers are aware of this. Search the archive for their comments. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:23:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8D9106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (smtprelay04.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863AD8FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from [62.143.132.243] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay04.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7pe-0007c6-VA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:22:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:23:19 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090623172319.1343511f@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: <20090623083930.GA90810@ei.bzerk.org> References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> <20090623083930.GA90810@ei.bzerk.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2008-08-18.asc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/qMBlAkfBuA4_ukwJjgudjjk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: 775067 Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:23:29 -0000 --Sig_/qMBlAkfBuA4_ukwJjgudjjk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:35:56PM -0500, Dan Nelson typed: > > In the last episode (Jun 22), Ruben de Groot said: > > >=20 > > > My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would > > > break anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the > > > POST method included in the http accept filter in the first place? > >=20 > > The filter wasn't designed to be an anti-DOS tool; it was an > > optimization to save some context switches at the beginning of every > > request. POSTs are >=20 > I know this. But in this particular case, it *works* as an anti-DOS > tool. And a pretty good one too. How did you verify this? accf_http doesn't require a complete request but will also pass the connection to the userland if its buffer is full. If you continue to send headers that will happen eventually and if you're impatient, you simply have to send a bit more headers at the beginning to reach the application faster. Fabian --Sig_/qMBlAkfBuA4_ukwJjgudjjk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpA820ACgkQBYqIVf93VJ3EXQCglvhlrRjy0P7uBLX4PmkaEoov VkoAnjB9xZBfpKHElLdvI1+2HFv8pVHJ =3Ibq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/qMBlAkfBuA4_ukwJjgudjjk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:41:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39911065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from raats.xs4all.nl (raats.xs4all.nl [82.95.230.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683798FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jack@jarasoft.net) Received: from raats.xs4all.nl (localhost.jarasoft.net [127.0.0.1]) by raats.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219E122C08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jarasc430 (unknown [10.10.10.20]) by raats.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CEF0122A2C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:28:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.5.374 [270.12.88/2196]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:28:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> From: "Jack Raats" To: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:28:51 +0200 Organization: JaRaSoft, Steenbergen, Nederland MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Relayed-By: GPGrelay Version 0.959 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP on orac.jarasoft.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jack Raats List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:41:30 -0000 Can anyone explain this: Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP What's causing this??? Thanks for yout time Jack Raats From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:47:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209281065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:47:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B8A8FC24 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F16F3CEA1; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:47:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5NFl0p9001607; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:47:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:47:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090623174700.afaef880.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090622151446.GA66962@thought.org> References: <20090621055235.GA60649@thought.org> <4A3E879F.6020708@hdk5.net> <20090621194200.GC63029@thought.org> <20090622052418.3a32cd54.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090622042523.GA64817@thought.org> <20090622070121.204eb878.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090622151446.GA66962@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: self-serving redeux/revisited, and more questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:47:08 -0000 On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:14:47 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > ok, sorry. "Brain fault: Core dump" :-) Core fault: brain dump. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:52:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1371A1065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:52:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5A08FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:52:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 4547 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2009 15:52:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 15:52:08 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 85DB42841F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:52:04 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090623155204.GB42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623145227.GA22803@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623145227.GA22803@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:52:12 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:52:27AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't > > have native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or > > mac os x or whatever. > > > > This flash chips have to emulate hard drive, which slows them down > > manyfold > > > so is there any best guess regarding what timeframe a filesystem > for freebsd might exist? on the you-tube demo they were using > [i think] XP. Don't worry about it. Buy your SSD (Solid state Storage Device) and mount with the noatime option. Don't let someone scare you away from the 99.8% solution waiting for the 99.9% solution. As for "emulating a hard drive", its only slow relative to potential FLASH speeds. Its fast relative to hard drive speeds. Writing may not be as fast as a "real" HD, YMMV. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:55:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A86A10656BF for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336858FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 10793 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2009 15:55:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 15:55:35 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id DCE812841F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:55:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:55:34 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Jack Raats Message-ID: <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:55:37 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 05:28:51PM +0200, Jack Raats wrote: > Can anyone explain this: > > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP > > What's causing this??? The wire was disconnected during that time. Possibly the hub/switch lost power, or the modem was down. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 16:19:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8E4106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1558FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5883CFE4; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5NGJ6YZ001685; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20090623181906.3cbb10a6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:19:14 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:31:06 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have > native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x or > whatever. > > This flash chips have to emulate hard drive, which slows them down > manyfold Article: "NILFS: A File System to Make SSDs Scream" http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7345/1.html -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 16:53:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FA2106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D738FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:53:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so298579ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:53:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ltf+k1ntRqEQiW1g5KBcJ8oRqCkdD64SAsvzhR6hQUU=; b=OaE585LaqlGzz8Fn7cV6xYb0/GVViHRPZI84D29zl5Ak1m98Qcl2A/G2TE0c1NVRZ0 QttuqkdJdxywza1sgM/ouBfv5zjN1Qpdw4q+x4Rn9GB0KUkL4pdyeTgEDqXKqMnJySRH Qar3PoezYkmGQcDVIoNlHYVf8qlgzZYON4V1E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NGn3uE/ZF+rcjJb1UgDtZRFP6LasTkeAjRQLdlHYxDrXwjpPQ457sQD3+NUIEeSRyt ngOW1bLW0H/SGkqZDfbDDg6GMSboIlYSeQG6Y/nMiNKGwHL3RJ3WZTni6WfS/koRh80G HK6hj01YNVib0Uk8io3CXVTzK5sAXYsqzix6I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.206 with SMTP id 56mr93610web.102.1245775988226; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:53:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4B45B6F6-007E-4DDC-994F-1369FEAEBA7D@boosten.org> References: <4B45B6F6-007E-4DDC-994F-1369FEAEBA7D@boosten.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: Peter Boosten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Underwood , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:53:10 -0000 2009/6/23 Peter Boosten : > > > On 23 jun 2009, at 16:06, Daniel Underwood wrote: > >> Looking at my ~/.ssh directory, I see the following permissions: >> >> -rw-r--r-- >> >> Which I understand to be equivalent to 644. >> >> I read here that >> ~/.ssh ought to have permissions 700. >> >> Which is preferable, and why? >> __ > > 700, you private key(s) go in there. > Interesting, I never noticed the 700 permissions on .ssh... [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -ld .ssh drwx------ 2 chris chris 512 Nov 22 2008 .ssh/ [chris@amnesiac]~% ls -l .ssh total 18 -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 3281 Jan 8 21:21 authorized_keys -rw------- 1 chris chris 1675 Oct 1 2008 id_rsa -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 409 Oct 1 2008 id_rsa.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 chris chris 8379 Jun 11 22:01 known_hosts [chris@amnesiac]~% Although I think it's not a big deal, as long as your id_?sa has permissions 600 like mine, or even 400. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 16:59:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FC0106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260248FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96B2A1C1A67; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:59:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:59:10 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:12 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: >> I do not believe that tricks like running ssh on a >> non standard port or using port-knocking provide >> much extra security. > > I can understand that varying the port is not a very strong defensive > measure, but I don't understand your point about port-knocking. > > If you configure a complex and seemingly random sequence of knocks > before allowing an IP access to your ssh port, have you not > significantly strengthened your ssh server? A port-knocking sequence is really nothing different than a shared password. Since there is no user dialog, the sequence has to be known by all users accessing the system. Basically you ask your users to authenticate twice - don't you think you could get the same security with a standard deployment insisting on good passwords or better yet, using keys? You add an extra layer of inconvenience and complexity, more things that can fail and possibly result in an insecure server: - dynamically updating firewall rules on the interface facing the Internet is not on my list of good practices. loading or flushing rules continuously is the recipe for service interruption or exposing your server to the net. - nor is having a sniffer daemon putting the network interface in promiscuous mode, a daemon that listen on lots of ports! that really sounds attractive. (yup: that's the latest version on portknocking.org). And it can result in people being unable to access if the knocks are filtered at the source. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:00:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34CD1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE018FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7Q6R1c00J1HzFnQ53V0pPs; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:00:49 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7V0n1c00k1f6R9u3aV0oxv; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:00:49 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:46 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090623170046.GA15815@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <20090622223459.GA75560@comcast.net> <200906231609.29391.meslists@yahoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906231609.29391.meslists@yahoo.fr> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Thanks [upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:00:50 -0000 On Tue 23 Jun 2009 at 07:09:28 PDT dan wrote: > >I used both pkg_updating and portupdate-scan to scan UPDATING [pkg_updating >did not show an entry suggesting to update python to version 2.6 (which >Portupdate-scan did)]. Well, I just learned something from this thread. I didn't know about these tools. Thanks for mentioning them! I usually use portupgrade, in a rather simple-minded way. Now you've inspired me to spend some time reading the manpages, to see how I can improve my routine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:07:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661151065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4688FC22 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NH7d6u006762; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:07:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69834BAAA; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:07:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:07:39 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:07:43 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > > you guys aren't going to believe what i just found on the web for > > the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. it was for the 9- and > > 10-inch screens. i was using konq which just segv'd so i am > > taking a break and thought i'd share this. > > > > last night, i could barely believe the ten-inch with a 40GB SSD. > > these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. they just plug in. > > i was googling around and found they have 32's and even 128's. > > so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid state disk ... > > not in a year or two (or five or six), but now. >=20 > today we have huge flash disks for really cheap, but still don't have=20 > native flash filesystem in any OS, be it FreeBSD or windoze or mac os x o= r=20 > whatever. Not so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system Most flash devices sold as harddisks have hardware that emulates a traditional harddisk, representing it as a (P/S)ATA block device. Unless you can bypass this, there is no need for a special filesystem. The only downside is that one has no idea how good or bad this interface hardware is. The abovementioned Wikipedia article provides insight into the unique issues surrounding flash-based filesystems. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBC9sACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVJmwCffnQ5TzascS8DUlqWmCo5wKVI EzQAoJgwFhCYP9TFOrTztAAu0ZNuO+uN =Oa1+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:11:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6937F1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EA28FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP45 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:11:53 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.23.177.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.23.177.172]) by BLU0-SMTP45.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:11:53 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BF62522D5F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 80ABF22D38 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:48 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 17:11:53.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4631750:01C9F425] Subject: Re: Problem starting slapd (FIXED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:11:54 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:03:16 -0400 Carmel NY wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:46:42 +0200 > Peter Boosten wrote: > > > Check permissions on /var/run/openldap > > drwxr-xr-x 2 ldap ldap 512B Jun 23 10:57 openldap/ > > They appear to be correct. I might add, that I did a complete > deinstall of the port, removed the /usr/local/etc/openldap directory > and the start up script and then reinstalled the port. The only thing > I have not done is remove DB46 and reinstall that. I really don't > think that would effect anything anyway. FIXED! Apparently, I had a corrupted schema file. Replaced it and now all is well. -- Carmel carmel@hotmail.com Don't eat yellow snow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:20:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB073106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F258FC30 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:20:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3BA7EEBC3F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:20:07 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Erik Norgaard Message-Id: <20090623132007.14d22270.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:20:10 -0000 In response to Erik Norgaard : > Daniel Underwood wrote: > >> I do not believe that tricks like running ssh on a > >> non standard port or using port-knocking provide > >> much extra security. > > > > I can understand that varying the port is not a very strong defensive > > measure, but I don't understand your point about port-knocking. > > > > If you configure a complex and seemingly random sequence of knocks > > before allowing an IP access to your ssh port, have you not > > significantly strengthened your ssh server? > > A port-knocking sequence is really nothing different than a shared > password. Since there is no user dialog, the sequence has to be known by > all users accessing the system. > > Basically you ask your users to authenticate twice - don't you think you > could get the same security with a standard deployment insisting on good > passwords or better yet, using keys? > > You add an extra layer of inconvenience and complexity, more things that > can fail and possibly result in an insecure server: I would agree with you, except ... > - dynamically updating firewall rules on the interface facing the > Internet is not on my list of good practices. loading or flushing rules > continuously is the recipe for service interruption or exposing your > server to the net. What crappy firewall are you using that needs flushed or reloaded to update rules? Has your packet filtering software been updated since the 80s? > - nor is having a sniffer daemon putting the network interface in > promiscuous mode, a daemon that listen on lots of ports! that really > sounds attractive. (yup: that's the latest version on portknocking.org). Listening on multiple ports is not synonymous with promiscuous interfaces. You should take some time to understand the difference between those two techniques. > And it can result in people being unable to access if the knocks are > filtered at the source. Which can happen anyway if you have an ISP who filters out ssh traffic (which isn't unheard of). What _is_ accomplished by both using a nonstandard port and using knock techniques, is that you don't have the annoyance of all those botnets filling up your logs with attempts to log in as root (if you don't monitor your access logs daily, then I don't want to hear any argument about this). With a knock solution, or running on a nonstandard port, then you know that any login attempts are serious attack attempts, and not just some random, mindless bots. If you're doing proper security monitoring, then reducing that log load is worthwhile. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:23:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83711065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A047E8FC26 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NHNQrU058740; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:23:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5NHNOtp058732; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:23:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:23:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:23:35 -0000 >> whatever. > > Not so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system > > Most flash devices sold as harddisks have hardware that emulates a > traditional harddisk, representing it as a (P/S)ATA block device. Unless > you can bypass this, there is no need for a special filesystem. yes this is exactly a problem. it emulates hard disk, which lowers performance much. for example wear leveling and emulation small blocks requires moving of data within flash, this lowers both performance and lifetime. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:25:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD8910656C0 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7AF8FC17 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:25:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NHPBGp058759; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:25:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5NHP8eh058756; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:25:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:25:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20090623155204.GB42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623145227.GA22803@thought.org> <20090623155204.GB42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:25:24 -0000 > 99.8% solution waiting for the 99.9% solution. > > As for "emulating a hard drive", its only slow relative to potential it's a nonsense to pay for emulation layer that slows down real devices. And random filesystem writes could be much faster on flash than on disk - if properly designed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:31:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64ADD1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:31:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E5E8FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:31:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NHURUf003808; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:30:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C743059C8D; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB09859C8C; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:30:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:30:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F08B@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: you're not going to believe this. Thread-Index: Acn0J7d9+OsJkP4gRROFW7t4Na915AAAB0Eg References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org><20090623145227.GA22803@thought.org><20090623155204.GB42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 17:30:26.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BC76E00:01C9F428] Cc: Gary Kline Subject: RE: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:31:08 -0000 If it's fast enough to allow one to work unimpeded, has acceptable lifetime/reliability, and uses less power/generates less heat than traditional platter HD - I'd say it's a good solution. It's not a one size fits all world. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:25 PM To: FreeBSD Mailing List Cc: Gary Kline Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. > 99.8% solution waiting for the 99.9% solution. > > As for "emulating a hard drive", its only slow relative to potential it's a nonsense to pay for emulation layer that slows down real devices. And random filesystem writes could be much faster on flash than on disk -=20 if properly designed _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:44:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD781065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erobison@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66FD8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erobison@gmail.com) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so333636gxk.19 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:44:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=tQhOmrtLcEaew7CThBj8QG0s1HM8TOnXDThSadWN6Aw=; b=IrWBdgOncFW+SqfjVabtVg3xaOuN03m3NN1ifaxg+P5Tw9GorrtvM79bRwgVL8UEUk hwbnlN6xs/d14b8cZfO71yvndoTjOw4fLlteqrnqTcgV3bX68Q0LF8bCtDceW8Q9OkTB mDpwYrMwof4AmiNSgiUm9V1+zZ9+xQtHTP9Ck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=po3xCXHE27qfsLSY9czB7MdzZC84AtGKo3veY6HS8qgjha1rUQyLa5XTpstkfzENYF 0gxM7FwxxHYUutKm0f9/IK4HcvG5ONV6s0DrLXXcQK6Llpeff9RbEgymyHKR545/8xsP gmX7p8cFhoqdZYQ8WFLSSX60OoJtz5x2t977c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr212415agb.106.1245779082139; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:44:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906201410.52907.kstewart@owt.com> References: <7fc6c27a0906201100r1357b24o90fdfee0e1ed1277@mail.gmail.com> <200906201410.52907.kstewart@owt.com> From: ericr Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:44:22 -0600 Message-ID: <7fc6c27a0906231044x747e6c83n514c7f98e056df22@mail.gmail.com> To: Kent Stewart , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Can't boot 7.2-RELEASE i386 or AMD64 on an Abit KV8 Pro motherboard with Sempron 3100+ CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:44:43 -0000 On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kent Stewart wrote: > On Saturday 20 June 2009 11:00:45 am ericr wrote: > > Hi, > > > > As the subject says, I can't get the 7.2-RELEASE i386 CD to boot on a > > system that has: > > > > Abit KV8 Pro (K8T800P-8237-6A7L1A1BC-26) motherboard with the most recent > > BIOS - BIOS release 26 4/20/2007 > > ( > > > http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODEL_NA > >ME=KV8+Pro&fMTYPE=Socket+754) > > > > An AMD Sempron 3100+ 1.8Ghz CPU > > > > 1 Gb RAM > > > > An ATI 1050 256mb AGP video card > > > > I think I have turned off everything ACPI related in the BIOS setup. > > > > When I boot the i386 ISO, the kernel boots to the point of probing the > PCI > > bus and then hangs completely, even the keyboard is locked up. > > > > I've unplugged all the disks, so the only things in the system are the CD > > drive, the floppy drive, and the video card. > > > > I have turned off acpi at boot time, and when I boot the i386 ISO > > verbosely, the last few lines the kernel spews are: > > > > pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x8000c060 > > pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) > > pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=80] is there (id=02821106) > > pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 > > pcib0: pcibus 0 on motherboard > > pci0: on pcib0 > > pci0: domain=0, physical bus=0 > > > > There's no PCI cards plugged in, just the AGP video card. > > > > > > When I try booting the AMD64 ISO, the boot loader runs, I get the boot > > menu, and regardless of what boot options I give the kernel, I get the > > message "CPU doesn't support long mode" and then I get the OK prompt. > > > > > > I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a h/w problem, it'll boot and install > > Fedora 11, Win2K, WinXP, and runs every DOS based diagnostic app I can > find > > with no problems. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions, or should I file a PR? > > Did you follow the suggestion on the release announcement of using the > other > CDs and switching before you start the install. Yes. None of the FreeBSD kernels will boot on this system. Doesn't matter if I use the livefs disk, or the install disk, it only gets as far as described above, then hangs. - ericr From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 17:54:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270B5106568D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952848FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NHsEMb089346; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:54:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ACF35BAAA; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:54:14 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Manish Jain Message-ID: <20090623175414.GB33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="neYutvxvOLaeuPCA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:54:17 -0000 --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:11:48PM +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I have solved most of the problems listed in my previous message with=20 > help from Roland Smith. >=20 > The fact still remains that FreeBSD-7.2 has some definite problems on=20 > AMD hardware : >=20 > 1) On multi-core systems, the cores don't get initialized properly and=20 > you get messages like : "AP #1 (PHY# 1) failed !" followed by panic. The= =20 > solution is to reboot, maybe as many as 6-7 times. Can you run the mptable command as root and post the output? > 2) The uhub/ums module fails to load and /dev/ums0 consequently won't=20 > get created. The workaround is to unplug your USB mouse just before the= =20 > boot process begins, and plug it back in once you get the console. Since the USB stack has been replaced in 8-CURRENT, I'm not sure if many developers will want to spend time on this... =20 > I have googled for the above 2 problems and there seem to many folks=20 > suffering from the ills, with no solution except the ones I have listed= =20 > above. And these problems almost always occur on AMD multi-core systems. Most posts about the "AP #1 (PHY# 1) failed !" message that I found are several years old.=20 > I hope the next release will address these problems, as well as a pretty= =20 > reasonable request from me much earlier to move vi from /usr/bin to=20 > /bin. Even in single-user mode, you almost always need an editor. There is always /rescue/vi. And in single-user mode, you can always mount /usr if it is on a separate partition. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBFsYACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVkKgCgkGIb+qKxlLSeu5PD7+gv5C1n wGEAn1OdCFzsPdEc+kkdTWbpAGpJpl9N =YsDp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 18:02:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661871065692 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C29B8FC24 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2009 14:02:26 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.5-GA) with ESMTP id PZL14480; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2009 14:02:25 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:02:24 -0400 To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: Re: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:02:27 -0000 David Kelly writes: > > Can anyone explain this: > > > > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN > > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP > > > > What's causing this??? > > The wire was disconnected during that time. Possibly the > hub/switch lost power, or the modem was down. It also happens to some cards during boot-up. I have an Intel Pro/1000, connected to a live switch; during boot I get an UP->DOWN->UP transition. As far as I can tell, it's harmless. To the OP: does this transition affect traffic? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 18:14:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCB21065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7D38FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F38D41C1A67; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A411B74.2010405@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:12 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <20090623132007.14d22270.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20090623132007.14d22270.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:14:15 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Erik Norgaard : >> You add an extra layer of inconvenience and complexity, more things that >> can fail and possibly result in an insecure server: > > I would agree with you, except ... > >> - dynamically updating firewall rules on the interface facing the >> Internet is not on my list of good practices. loading or flushing rules >> continuously is the recipe for service interruption or exposing your >> server to the net. > > What crappy firewall are you using that needs flushed or reloaded to > update rules? Has your packet filtering software been updated since > the 80s? Whether you flush or add rules to ipf or update tables in pf etc. you are modifying your firewall live. >> - nor is having a sniffer daemon putting the network interface in >> promiscuous mode, a daemon that listen on lots of ports! that really >> sounds attractive. (yup: that's the latest version on portknocking.org). > > Listening on multiple ports is not synonymous with promiscuous interfaces. > You should take some time to understand the difference between those two > techniques. I do, you can put your interface in promiscuous mode and let the daemon grab packets before they are filtered by the firewall, or open in your firewall for a range of port your knock deamon will listen to. In either case you add an extra daemon, an extra point of failure, an extra piece of code that can undermine your security. >> And it can result in people being unable to access if the knocks are >> filtered at the source. > > Which can happen anyway if you have an ISP who filters out ssh traffic > (which isn't unheard of). There's no point in adding this argument, in that case you have no connection with or without port knocking. Sticking to standard protocols on standard ports is the best way to ensure your ISP doesn't get in your way. > What _is_ accomplished by both using a nonstandard port and using knock > techniques, is that you don't have the annoyance of all those botnets > filling up your logs with attempts to log in as root (if you don't > monitor your access logs daily, then I don't want to hear any argument > about this). With a knock solution, or running on a nonstandard port, > then you know that any login attempts are serious attack attempts, and > not just some random, mindless bots. I must be in the safe end of the internet, I don't get that much logs. So your argument about port knocking boils down to getting rid of some log entries, while annoying your users? Now, how about your logs of failed port knocking attempts? Because, you log that, right? If your idea gains traction, then attackers will start knocking ports randomly ... you'll just have those logs filling up instead. > If you're doing proper security monitoring, then reducing that log load > is worthwhile. if this is your main concern, why don't you just filter out the failed attempts? after all they failed. If you do proper security monitoring, your tools can be tuned to look at the interesting part of the logs. There are other tricks that work well too, take a look at LoginGraceTime MaxAuthTries MaxSessions MaxStartups Also, very effective, identify address ranges where your users will never connect from and black list them in the first place. It's fairly easy to get rid of a huge chunk of these logs - and getting your system safer - by simply restricting access to address ranges where your users are likely to connect from. Let them know that if they go to some weird place, not on the official white list then a temporary exception can be made for the period of their travel. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 18:19:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAAD106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from baywinds.org (dsl092-017-098.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.17.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4888FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from [66.92.17.195] (spa3000 [66.92.17.195]) by baywinds.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/SuSE Linux 0.8) with ESMTP id n5NIJ4OX007463; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4A411C98.6060404@baywinds.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:19:04 -0700 From: Bruce Ferrell User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090310) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:19:08 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > David Kelly writes: > >> > Can anyone explain this: >> > >> > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN >> > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP >> > >> > What's causing this??? >> >> The wire was disconnected during that time. Possibly the >> hub/switch lost power, or the modem was down. > > It also happens to some cards during boot-up. I have an Intel > Pro/1000, connected to a live switch; during boot I get an > UP->DOWN->UP transition. > As far as I can tell, it's harmless. To the OP: does this > transition affect traffic? > > > Robert Huff depending in the switch, it could be negotiating speed/duplex. Some if configured to auto switch will do it continuously From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 18:22:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E56106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A2B8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NIMQf6034415; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F1959BA9C; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:22:25 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090623182225.GC33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:22:27 -0000 --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:23:22PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> whatever. > > > > Not so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system > > > > Most flash devices sold as harddisks have hardware that emulates a > > traditional harddisk, representing it as a (P/S)ATA block device. Unless > > you can bypass this, there is no need for a special filesystem. >=20 > yes this is exactly a problem. it emulates hard disk, which lowers=20 > performance much. for example wear leveling and emulation small=20 > blocks requires moving of data within flash, this lowers both performance= =20 > and lifetime. Even a flash filesystem will have to do wear levelling. And you'll have to gather writes to minimize the (slow) wiping of eraseblocks. In other words, you'll be doing more or less the same that current hardware does. But then in software, which is generally slower than dedicated hardware. The big difference is that it is much easier to tweak and change algorithms when doing it in software. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBHWEACgkQEnfvsMMhpyU/dQCfaVbYL7nJBq8tRMqEwhRcGg2x UTEAoJ0CDJfiLZZp3FVNaDg5wSggYg62 =Pqhb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/e2eDi0V/xtL+Mc8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 18:24:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4B01065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CDD8FC1B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so388346ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:23:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ndQutYzrCDtxptynYgQudz9fP4xxuVYX1SYC4ziuqAQ=; b=GJ/fHDX1Zy6oagkJG4XS9sMZnZUk8IHii+lySQwFtg9z12JgFlDV9nYwKNl0ki4D7S 2eBclL9bp7xDaasb+pvj9+uK3EDMx05QrlxBZVEilY+3JgvsOl3wLWKQ4Q3Sbahy4X/X oDaKt5GvH84R9fa9HUQH0aSKJnlqu9eqG3+CM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VyWAIO56Nbxqalz9/1sR66H/Coq2HV8MGA/ZocW97RKiCTdMGUhdp37Gri/lGOHv3o BKqtHoeRPLWk75CiSA/1CDy9+vRQG4iSbgD5tIyUwAof8+gSmFJne2H2kwIrC+Hdx0kA yHRGo4vf6Eqf/oF9H9gIT4UyvZ4ei1CWX+PE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.27.14 with SMTP id a14mr435357eba.16.1245781438939; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090622225059.0add9f97@gom> References: <20090622225059.0add9f97@gom> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:23:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: prad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:24:00 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 22:50, prad wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:16:35 -0400 > Daniel Underwood wrote: > >> Due to the speed and location of the >> connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. >> > why does the speed of a connection make it a higher risk? > is it because bruteforce techniques can capitalize on the speed? I's suspect it's a higher risk because the target is higher value. A high speed connection means more ability to do, well, whatever. Just a guess on my part, though. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:02:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A571065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: from web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E0D98FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from redtick@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 89593 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2009 19:02:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1245783762; bh=4D1CSMVnNtdEbMb9oGKKFBXWnfYPB0JDqQ4SqQFfJ7U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q2UYZGjvbjNIlwywQ04IC5Qjzj8hjT6GGKrVXemN9KdA3PTKO7VGX6HSVy0GlKiZh0UfJiOEdbm0RRcc0qyAYwGJXICew7tWlgy5Qj6PFDLMR2d97MVzRpme5s5gohizHSt4tMDJ2KFd8Hw91zv8H0+SKNDzENz+3BdBbLJaPmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K0VNnqDXQIAsYmj1pUGXTOxY8pFJmwz6s/9LGzNEBnWpKTOvYwLWmuI1VlSVMPmzZlrNUHNbucoSNDmooEklOPn6lBVc/bstiwsMQpb/gYekBlXzeJBjx15pGkX/wV845nOLcJ20WlBeazHwh/9EIvVaI2/xNz+XrOhsnXKh0gU=; Message-ID: <607286.89501.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TfsGH58VM1n2gku8oJfSgsVRbyQDb5E868MM3CBaeZaZ9C7gYWnCCeO4qimXA56FMOjG2QEN2vSMTkWu6e6sJgD39Eq1NrSBZDwbNx.nJSSy1vF4YSonKLwWyTGVE4GRn0Z2vU2PCASBE8h48VgVssOvo8QICfk5nlepO9P7bN3f5J82tl0u.5DOBIxeFQmejPb65uh4ET6oaFRYpdPAKVj1rho_xrC2MRUdYDKd1gdRdaU250jGswEITgmoWWIpkDY.SDzZKUF99vaG6yttrsektPofvgigbTTkEep6VrzQ7RRU7z12nAIsrXWylM.zPpsa2SfQaCsqp7X4cGiavq8K8TyiEaD7Ld52pno- Received: from [75.41.234.83] by web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:02:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:02:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Busby To: ericr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: help help Subject: Re: Can't boot 7.2-RELEASE i386 or AMD64 on an Abit KV8 Pro motherboard with Sempron 3100+ CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:02:43 -0000 --- On Tue, 6/23/09, ericr wrote: > From: ericr > Subject: Re: Can't boot 7.2-RELEASE i386 or AMD64 on an Abit KV8 Pro mot= herboard with Sempron 3100+ CPU > To: "Kent Stewart" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:44 PM > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kent > Stewart > wrote: >=20 > > On Saturday 20 June 2009 11:00:45 am ericr wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > As the subject says, I can't get the 7.2-RELEASE > i386 CD to boot on a > > > system that has: > > > > > > Abit KV8 Pro (K8T800P-8237-6A7L1A1BC-26) > motherboard with the most recent > > > BIOS - BIOS release 26 4/20/2007 > > > ( > > > > > http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboard/motherboard_detail.php?pMODE= L_NA > > >ME=3DKV8+Pro&fMTYPE=3DSocket+754) > > > > > > An AMD Sempron 3100+ 1.8Ghz CPU > > > > > > 1 Gb RAM > > > > > > An ATI 1050 256mb AGP video card > > > > > > I think I have turned off everything ACPI related > in the BIOS setup. > > > > > > When I boot the i386 ISO, the kernel boots to the > point of probing the > > PCI > > > bus and then hangs completely, even the keyboard > is locked up. > > > > > > I've unplugged all the disks, so the only things > in the system are the CD > > > drive, the floppy drive, and the video card. > > > > > > I have turned off acpi at boot time, and when I > boot the i386 ISO > > > verbosely, the last few lines the kernel spews > are: > > > > > > pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is > 0x8000c060 > > > pci_open(1a): mode1res=3D0x80000000 (0x80000000) > > > pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=3D060000] [hdr=3D80] is > there (id=3D02821106) > > > pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 > > > pcib0: pcibus 0 > on motherboard > > > pci0: on pcib0 > > > pci0: domain=3D0, physical bus=3D0 > > > > > > There's no PCI cards plugged in, just the AGP > video card. > > > > > > > > > When I try booting the AMD64 ISO, the boot loader > runs, I get the boot > > > menu, and regardless of what boot options I give > the kernel, I get the > > > message "CPU doesn't support long mode" and then > I get the OK prompt. > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a h/w problem, > it'll boot and install > > > Fedora 11, Win2K, WinXP, and runs every DOS based > diagnostic app I can > > find > > > with no problems. > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions, or should I file a > PR? > > > > Did you follow the suggestion on the release > announcement of using the > > other > > CDs and switching before you start the install. >=20 >=20 > Yes.=A0 None of the FreeBSD kernels will boot on this > system.=A0 Doesn't matter > if I use the livefs disk, or the install disk, it only gets > as far as > described above, then hangs. >=20 > - ericr I'll risk the flames, and say go back to basics. =20 Make sure of the drive cabling and jumpers.=20 I was reloading a home-grown nas the other day and the cable and jumpers ga= ve me a bugger of a time. 7.2 would start to boot and then just hang. I unp= lugged everything except the harddrive on the primary and the optical drive= on the secondary. After the OS was loaded, I was able move everything wher= e I wanted. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:19:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196CF106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:19:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA688FC19 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23ECF8016FE45F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4A412AB5.5090503@onetel.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:19:17 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ericr References: <7fc6c27a0906201100r1357b24o90fdfee0e1ed1277@mail.gmail.com> <200906201410.52907.kstewart@owt.com> <7fc6c27a0906231044x747e6c83n514c7f98e056df22@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7fc6c27a0906231044x747e6c83n514c7f98e056df22@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't boot 7.2-RELEASE i386 or AMD64 on an Abit KV8 Pro motherboard with Sempron 3100+ CPU X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:19:20 -0000 ericr wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Kent Stewart wrote: > >> On Saturday 20 June 2009 11:00:45 am ericr wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As the subject says, I can't get the 7.2-RELEASE i386 CD to boot on a >>> system that has: >>> >>> Abit KV8 Pro (K8T800P-8237-6A7L1A1BC-26) motherboard with the most recent >>> BIOS - BIOS release 26 4/20/2007 >>> ( snip >>> Anyone have any suggestions, or should I file a PR? >> Did you follow the suggestion on the release announcement of using the >> other >> CDs and switching before you start the install. > > > Yes. None of the FreeBSD kernels will boot on this system. Doesn't matter > if I use the livefs disk, or the install disk, it only gets as far as > described above, then hangs. > > - ericrCan Try leaving it for a few minutes at the hang http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1705690+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2009/freebsd-questions/20090517.freebsd-questions I got mine going by putting the hard disk in another machine, installing fbsd on that and building a kernel with most stuff taken out, after which I could boot my motherboard with that hard disk. Once it was booting I kept putting drivers back into the kernel until I found what was stopping it (device sbp in my case). You can use an external usb caddy and another machine with capability to boot from usb to do the same thing. You might have to modify /etc/fstab. Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:22:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42CB1065672 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AD78FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so441383ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MI1s+5JLeA5S7U27+P7BGPpcrXo27gUSXsJEoys+y3w=; b=SL2WJHaH76varVPcW2ZKg6nNWhwPbBTJM5KK/qs840edppUIaVFKWwsl1oYDPCEPxA 9jJnkPfCD83AAAWj9Xz+XrP5+weS7DkCUHxnt6Akd+wTOjDFtdIHz1HriBxAV0IjSz81 UqIwiT8McuvWHwO4W3FLNSHyITUPKSmNcnjc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Si2ICEjifV3e4UfJYotrwznBlm2KRQKO7wMYqcOXGcmwcXDCRVywSl2rtlEDUoTPoC vyK0hR5QhxMPeddC15Z5clz808o64YoW9CXuTj4WxL+vwI6p9PE0Qg2IYJKs/Sn2nfmR PgCsqDPk03IZAPrcYNg2bxp+tdRr8ocZZX1FA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.35.17 with SMTP id i17mr6746406ebi.66.1245784939287; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:22:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:22:20 -0000 On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Kline wrote: > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you guys aren't going to believe what i just f= ound on the web for > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the ASUS Eee-901 [or is it the "900"]. =C2=A0i= t was for the 9- and > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010-inch screens. =C2=A0i was using konq which = just segv'd so i am > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0taking a break and thought i'd share this. > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0last night, i could barely believe the ten-inc= h with a 40GB SSD. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0these mini-notebooks take two memory chips. th= ey just plug in. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i was googling around and found they have 32's= and even 128's. > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0so you can get 64 or up to 256Gigs of solid st= ate disk ... > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not in a year or two (or five or six), but now= . > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i'll double and triple check to make sure this= isn't a sham, but > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they had a thing on you-tube... =C2=A0Oh, and = next time i see the > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0speech therapist, i'll lug my hugmongous think= pad and demo what > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0i've done with my scripts and flite.... > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A08 kilobux for a Doze speech dev my butt. with = berkeley unix and > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0open source tools, you can have it for a few h= undred bux. > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gary For a small unit like this, SSD is really nice. But, for my workstations/servers, I'm wondering if a pure battery-backed RAM disk, in RAID1 with a regular hard drive, might be the real screamer. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:46:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611211065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A458FC16 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NJk7Wg059417; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5NJk20I059414; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Roland Smith In-Reply-To: <20090623182225.GC33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090623182225.GC33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:21 -0000 >> and lifetime. > > Even a flash filesystem will have to do wear levelling. yes - but it don't have to copy blocks that are free. with disk emulation - it doesn't know anything about filesystem and don't know what blocks are free. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:46:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECC11065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522858FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5NJkiJC059424; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5NJkhKi059421; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:46:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:46:51 -0000 >> > >> > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN >> > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP look at time. it's 13 minutes down From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:58:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD9D1065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB8A8FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5NJwacE096432; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:58:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5NJwaW4096431; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:58:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:58:35 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Fabian Keil Message-ID: <20090623195835.GA95137@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Fabian Keil , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090622112607.GA80249@ei.bzerk.org> <200906220845.23920.npapke@acm.org> <20090622171516.GA82862@ei.bzerk.org> <20090622223556.GC76275@dan.emsphone.com> <20090623083930.GA90810@ei.bzerk.org> <20090623172319.1343511f@fabiankeil.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623172319.1343511f@fabiankeil.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:58:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slowloris, accf_http and POST requests X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:58:43 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 05:23:19PM +0200, Fabian Keil typed: > Ruben de Groot wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 05:35:56PM -0500, Dan Nelson typed: > > > In the last episode (Jun 22), Ruben de Groot said: > > > > > > > > My main concern here is if applying the trivial patch I posted would > > > > break anything in the http protocol layer. And if not, why isn't the > > > > POST method included in the http accept filter in the first place? > > > > > > The filter wasn't designed to be an anti-DOS tool; it was an > > > optimization to save some context switches at the beginning of every > > > request. POSTs are > > > > I know this. But in this particular case, it *works* as an anti-DOS > > tool. And a pretty good one too. > > How did you verify this? By using the slowloris script against my own servers. Running the script from a single client pc: ./slowloris.pl -dns myserver.domain.tld -port 80 -timeout 2000 -num 500 -tcpto 5 -httpready brings apache to its knees. No more connections are accepted as there are allready MaxClients processes running (150) and they're all just sitting there waiting. With accf_http just slightly adjusted as posted, nothing happens at all. Apache just doesn't see the connections, even with multiple clients running the DOS. (Off course, there'll be memory buffers in the kernel filling, but from that I haven't seen any negative side effects yet) > accf_http doesn't require a complete request but will also > pass the connection to the userland if its buffer is full. Haven't seen that, but it sounds sane. > If you continue to send headers that will happen eventually and if > you're impatient, you simply have to send a bit more headers at the > beginning to reach the application faster. Yes. A real and prolonged DDOS is hard to counter. And the accept filter was not designed for that. It was just an observation about this particular script. cheers, Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 19:30:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23F71065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Rhett.Thompson@soroc.com) Received: from mx1.soroc.com (mx1.soroc.com [206.186.59.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3BF8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Rhett.Thompson@soroc.com) Received: from sormx02.soroc.net ([172.16.1.232]) by mx1.soroc.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:18:50 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Certified Hardware Thread-Index: Acn0N2Y34sjrYC4iRv2gFRMx6/rWVA== X-Priority: 1 Priority: Urgent Importance: high From: "Thompson, Rhett" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 19:18:50.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[70A01DD0:01C9F437] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:00:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Vasconcelos, Jaime" , "Volinz, Jeff" , "Paulo, Jose" , "Spring, Jim" , "Yetman, Mark" Subject: Certified Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:30:54 -0000 Hi,=20 =20 Is it possible for you to provide us with an updated hardware certified vendor list for FreeBsd. We would like to know if FreeBSD is supported on HP Blades and which models, network cards, HBA cards for connecting to SAN's. Any help will be greatly appreciated. We need this information as soon as possible. The current supported hardware vendor list on the web site does not appear to be current and does not include many other vendors. Looking forward to hearing from you. =20 Kind Regards, =20 Rhett Thompson =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:04:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F84106568D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335EC8FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so304547bwz.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OSuPQ8OEytvMLYebqhenRmcC3nl7nx3Xct/lpxtadkg=; b=Z5txhWiTBrXGuLSXbpLL6r4dDA7fxxtV7LH0ay/VuKVXkvfkJ0bc6n9Cy00wznmBud TNuJ4NyiZwk06bkdrR+9eqT8z0z850FTm0loO5SdvoMyobWZt4YcJXxujSiPXtFfdwzG InsMgnietB654u8YFgXn4JUaeAZ9ZA2/RgGNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JY9/VjhZZgjmGyXMi1Fa7xh9hpVSRLpRZiO5XlKkI9J0EVimKA5H9MGPDdPyxwwFaZ HN8QogjENA3DvZpx9D3tdaT9WV0yoEeaY6HX1aSqvTy43uKAgMCyjECR3r+vQ5w4Ht8Q /ZGMf5Khks9x+kskKNh2RjfZZ3DNw7dLG/j8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.134 with SMTP id h6mr408368bkj.70.1245787491123; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:04:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906231304o2d7d51c5ye88c8f91ce36d85d@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: "Thompson, Rhett" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Certified Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:04:53 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Thompson, Rhett wrote: > Hi, > > > > Is it possible for you to provide us with an updated hardware certified > vendor list for FreeBsd. =A0 We would like to know if FreeBSD is supporte= d > on HP Blades and which models, network cards, HBA cards for connecting > to SAN's. =A0 Any help will be greatly appreciated. =A0We need this > information as soon as possible. =A0 =A0The current supported hardware > vendor list on the web site does not appear to be current and does not > include many other vendors. =A0 Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/hardware.html --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:10:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB449106567F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9755E8FC2A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5NKAjW4016421; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:10:41 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Kurt Buff Message-ID: <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:10:47 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:22:19PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Kline wrote: > > For a small unit like this, SSD is really nice. > > But, for my workstations/servers, I'm wondering if a pure > battery-backed RAM disk, in RAID1 with a regular hard drive, might be > the real screamer. battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing within a few years somebody will have a solid-state device that emulates the current mechanical technology. it will wind up being considerably faster than the current drives and suck Much less juice. oh yeah, and in a few years *every* computer will have a battery back up --not just our laptops. after some N minutes everything will be saved. much less lost data due to sudden power outtages. gary > > Kurt -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:11:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82A71065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4578FC36 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:11:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so484705ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+bHeSsdLSTpnuN1cI3UTA8PSJWRxkP+5eCenV7SRak0=; b=A8RN1l+navNDcVnagcLFf6UPi7DRelG6m57BGkp1dRDs8B5O7O5hBwi0L8Va02lhLa SZdzSCDfGywbLkVsl3bVGtIJlfciViWS+8MwBUEIsgqGTCXJFBNppAEikxCGwBqrQDTX N+m25fQeYDXp+tFw9iLY2yRXQWeBoem78D39Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NJeYV4S717ukTWytw047m80Df9CEk+Jp7cbkTMJIB46pOoWIbX8iUdxsMIbzEW1q2B LUKI0xfvOo1MHGDwFzMsZQ+6ZXwkGcySN+GkpTyFsj83Hho/UtQvXHqAtc4ds1rsWEuc p3wHy5MI+LshrreLmjbp3jt/VLndyItckO9CE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.28.200 with SMTP id g50mr131651wea.203.1245787864904; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:11:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Erik Norgaard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:11:07 -0000 > A port-knocking sequence is really nothing different than a shared password. Technically and conceptually, that's true. But "practically", I'm not sure you're right. If in addition to attempting to enumerate the space of possible passwords, an attacker also enumerates the space of possible port-knocking sequences, then, yes, you're right. But I am willing to bet that the vast majority of attackers DO NOT attempt this. For this reason, I think well-designed port-knocking DOES add significant strength to the server. If I'm misunderstanding port-knocking, please jump in and correct me... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:14:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CEB106568B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD79A8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 29633 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2009 20:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 20:14:32 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id C4E0F2841F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:14:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:14:31 -0500 From: David Kelly To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20090623201431.GA43645@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623170739.GA33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090623182225.GC33220@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:14:36 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:46:01PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>and lifetime. > > > >Even a flash filesystem will have to do wear levelling. > > yes - but it don't have to copy blocks that are free. with disk > emulation - it doesn't know anything about filesystem and don't know > what blocks are free. If it is swapping from heavily used blocks to lightly used blocks then "so what" if there is an "unnecessary" read/write? Perhaps its harder to determine if unused than to simply move the data. I seem to recall something like this in comments in the FreeBSD virtual memory manager in 6.0-RELEASE. Don't want to leave the old data laying around for security reasons so even if the blocks are unused the formerly heavily used blocks need to be scrubbed. As I originally said to Gary Kline, "Don't let someone scare you away from the 99.8% solution waiting on the 99.9% solution." -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:37:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA9B106570D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:37:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD658FC1F for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4965A1C1A67; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:12 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:37:15 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: >> A port-knocking sequence is really nothing different than a shared password. > > Technically and conceptually, that's true. But "practically", I'm not > sure you're right. If in addition to attempting to enumerate the > space of possible passwords, an attacker also enumerates the space of > possible port-knocking sequences, then, yes, you're right. But I am > willing to bet that the vast majority of attackers DO NOT attempt > this. For this reason, I think well-designed port-knocking DOES add > significant strength to the server. You're right, as long as port-knocking as a first pass authentication scheme is not in wide spread use, then any attackers will not waste time port-knocking. If ever port-knocking becomes common, attackers will adapt and start knocking. Or: if you want to keep port-knocking useful then don't recommend it to anyone! I think it is a bad idea, a wrong route to go. I think that there are so many other options for improving security that are well tested, much easier to deploy, cause less user annoyance etc etc. Since, as said, the knocking sequence is a shared secret, the more users you have the more likely it will be disclosed, and the more difficult it is to distribute new knocking sequences as more users are affected. More complexity, more possible failures and errors means more resources spent on user support, and more resources spend on configuring the new "toy". Resources that could be well spent on improving actual security and monitoring actual threats. You may deploy port-knocking at home for your own curriousity, but it has no value on your curriculum. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 20:59:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191AD1065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F78FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 19484 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2009 20:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 20:59:44 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 5879A2841F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:59:47 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! > > if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing > within a few years somebody will have a solid-state device that emulates > the current mechanical technology. it will wind up being considerably > faster than the current drives and suck Much less juice. We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:01:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA6810656A9 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EB98FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NL0VOF002814; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CB0B5C21B; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308D45C210; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:30 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F095@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What's happening Thread-Index: Acn0O4sYRweY4uS0RBSmVGXlme+dDgACfO6Q References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430><20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org><19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Wojciech Puchar" , "Robert Huff" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 21:00:30.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48D1540:01C9F445] Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:01:13 -0000 There's not NEARLY enough info in OP to answer this - I can't believe anyone is even trying. It could be many dozen different things. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:47 PM To: Robert Huff Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's happening >> > >> > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN >> > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP look at time. it's 13 minutes down _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:05:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978BD106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A9E8FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so533711ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wjn5Mh3zAUZg7NbZyMkIHtNvThgck0xk3fhxIDdYHe4=; b=om18gqqsTipsk0BFYtU7Inht0t3mnNyRBXxvO3KydS2pxxS1FGM7oofBfH3R5WClpy 5OqffjQ62kFuG1hPhhHRKeR2KjbU+GF+ZEqXOOr5O8STglS8l0Lo72WvYIN1JTvoJt8g p4Qi3nyqTvO6k6nlYpvsvy2e62Jz+Pc8Acbe8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XtLEn7eWdv5A4EnGvZZ/0Kd0l1PeNeqEC1Y/4+f9UMgvUZuu3L1HBpFVY9jcZQvnZN /mWfl4U1pQsLZS6+UasesmFMc9X5hr0Rq6mizVb4YnoNV8CmiVpI2D5LFAYs6XbNdKsJ cDCkx90ydxV9dZHjZMETqoTvDjX+6lF30yCic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.16.17 with SMTP id 17mr6846348ebp.94.1245791114016; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:05:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Gary Kline Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:05:15 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:59, David Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm= guessing >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 within a few years somebody will have a solid-state= device that emulates >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the current mechanical technology. =C2=A0it will wi= nd up being considerably >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 faster than the current drives and suck Much less j= uice. > > We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, > they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. Not completely there, AFAIK - FlashRAM write speeds are still significantly slower than standard RAM. Of course, standard RAM is significantly more expensive than FlashRAM, especially with the battery backup, but it doesn't have the limited write life. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:12:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3181065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CAF8FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-83-98.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.83.98]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2540516C023B; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:12:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5NLC5aK003003; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:12:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:12:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090623231205.15b18fb2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Kelly , Gary Kline Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:12:15 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500, David Kelly wrote: > We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, > they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. What about power consumption? Because they seem to be primarily intended for portable devices, it should be better than "tradidional hard disks", but as I read, it's worse (less efficient, because higher current drain). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:21:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466D61065674 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6548FC12 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23ECF80171A400; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:21 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:21:23 -0000 RW wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it >> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or >> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been >> down to an individual ports. > > You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the > issues automatically, but not all. Not trolling but can you give me some examples? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:22:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD3A10656CC for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B98FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60A99EBC3F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:21:43 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Erik Norgaard Message-Id: <20090623172143.05d760dc.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4A411B74.2010405@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <20090623132007.14d22270.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A411B74.2010405@locolomo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:22:27 -0000 In response to Erik Norgaard : > Bill Moran wrote: > > In response to Erik Norgaard : > > > >> - dynamically updating firewall rules on the interface facing the > >> Internet is not on my list of good practices. loading or flushing rules > >> continuously is the recipe for service interruption or exposing your > >> server to the net. > > > > What crappy firewall are you using that needs flushed or reloaded to > > update rules? Has your packet filtering software been updated since > > the 80s? > > Whether you flush or add rules to ipf or update tables in pf etc. you > are modifying your firewall live. There's a _HUGE_ difference between reloading the entire ruleset and updating a table. Don't trivialize that difference. > >> - nor is having a sniffer daemon putting the network interface in > >> promiscuous mode, a daemon that listen on lots of ports! that really > >> sounds attractive. (yup: that's the latest version on portknocking.org). > > > > Listening on multiple ports is not synonymous with promiscuous interfaces. > > You should take some time to understand the difference between those two > > techniques. > > I do, you can put your interface in promiscuous mode and let the daemon > grab packets before they are filtered by the firewall, or open in your > firewall for a range of port your knock deamon will listen to. In either > case you add an extra daemon, an extra point of failure, an extra piece > of code that can undermine your security. In your earlier message you argued that promiscuous mode is a bad idea, and when I show that it's not the case, you magically change your argument to be about extra processes running. Please keep your argument consistent. > >> And it can result in people being unable to access if the knocks are > >> filtered at the source. > > > > Which can happen anyway if you have an ISP who filters out ssh traffic > > (which isn't unheard of). > > There's no point in adding this argument, in that case you have no > connection with or without port knocking. Sticking to standard protocols > on standard ports is the best way to ensure your ISP doesn't get in your > way. Both false. Quite frequently I've moved services to a nonstandard port because it was the _only_ way to get a service. ... an the _best_ way to ensure your ISP doesn't pull that kind of crap on you is to use an ISP that won't do that. Not everyone has that option, though. > > What _is_ accomplished by both using a nonstandard port and using knock > > techniques, is that you don't have the annoyance of all those botnets > > filling up your logs with attempts to log in as root (if you don't > > monitor your access logs daily, then I don't want to hear any argument > > about this). With a knock solution, or running on a nonstandard port, > > then you know that any login attempts are serious attack attempts, and > > not just some random, mindless bots. > > I must be in the safe end of the internet, I don't get that much logs. Must be. I get multiple attacks per day. > So your argument about port knocking boils down to getting rid of some > log entries, while annoying your users? Nay. It boils down to making log entries _useful_. And if your users are annoyed, you're not doing your job. Something like puTTY (for example) allows you to set up a profile. Just set the port in the profile and the user never need remember it again. And if catering to users who don't know how to switch ports is more important than making your logs useful, then do that instead. I'm not arguing that it's the correct solution for everyone, I'm simply arguing that it's not totally useless, which seems to be your point. > Now, how about your logs of failed port knocking attempts? Because, you > log that, right? If your idea gains traction, then attackers will start > knocking ports randomly ... you'll just have those logs filling up instead. Once attackers start trying random keys instead of passwords, will you abandon PKI as well? Security has been, and always will be, keeping one step ahead of your attackers. Take the opinion that you can't stay ahead of them, and you've already lost the war. > > If you're doing proper security monitoring, then reducing that log load > > is worthwhile. > > if this is your main concern, why don't you just filter out the failed > attempts? after all they failed. If you do proper security monitoring, > your tools can be tuned to look at the interesting part of the logs. Because a successful attack is already too late. I want to know who is _attempting_ to break in and prevent them from having additional time to keep trying. > There are other tricks that work well too, take a look at > > LoginGraceTime > MaxAuthTries > MaxSessions > MaxStartups All of these are valid _parts_ of a comprehensive security approach to SSH. Any one of them alone is not very strong, but combine them with a strong password policy and other tools, and you'll have a site that's very secure. > Also, very effective, identify address ranges where your users will > never connect from and black list them in the first place. If that's possible. It frequently is, but what if you have users who travel worldwide? Heck, something as simple as nationwide quickly makes it difficult to reliably block enough ranges to be effective. > Let them know that if they go to some weird place, not on the official > white list then a temporary exception can be made for the period of > their travel. That works, and is viable. I'm not too keen on being roused from a sound sleep by a salesperson who is in a very different timezone and needs an exception granted, but if your requirements dictate that level of control, go for it. My point in all this is not that your suggestions are bad. It's just that your discounting of knock methods an moving ports is a bit extreme. There are a number of cases where those techniques are very useful in combination with other security practices. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:24:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851E81065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C818FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:24:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so553296ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:24:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/zjsseNF66i1QkQdEm7F1T69ZDTWtu9f5B3FzLNnTSk=; b=rcg9SmHHPPAIFOpfX7mN++xdtDR8wDBcLGTefTOl9ueU8g7woqFcm48UkSF3Md7i9I eJgbN08qSDhuIxYaKCpSTidDm6cvq9Cny/CJCXPrfPy6SXmZAq2ACes0ks3EghWO8Gp2 7WJRePscWbqfiacvdOBiBPdlxJ/kdgy1pR+ZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J5MYteH2fdXVAwJbp9n0VSnIg6xUbnqFXMMNfA6SPkzU5/6RQwBmDN8vPwbqzEcfy8 tBae604FK92KKWu34qBfd1MBAmIQSrt2LWFA5r3+Oy964PBZTkL4DM5ALzXHtFsQDU8w W6jsDctf4xqG3j27TsNXePTMr0pW/1WJ00wQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.37.11 with SMTP id k11mr6895637ebk.55.1245792259988; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F095@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430> <20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F095@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:24:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:24:22 -0000 Well, sorta true. We know that he lost connectivity for 13 minutes. As you said, there are many reasons why this might be so, and several were suggested. The two most likely are: 1) power loss to the switch 2) somebody disconnected the cable, then replaced it Clearly, however, it isn't port negotiation - not over 13 minutes. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have a central syslog server that collects data from hosts and other equipment, because that's the only way to tell for sure. Things like UPS power loss/fluctuation notifications, switch bootup notifications, etc., in the syslog would provide the necessary data. Kurt On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:00, Gary Gatten wrote: > There's not NEARLY enough info in OP to answer this - I can't believe > anyone is even trying. =C2=A0It could be many dozen different things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech > Puchar > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:47 PM > To: Robert Huff > Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What's happening > >>> > >>> > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN >>> > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP > > look at time. it's 13 minutes down > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:39:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1CA106564A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3983C8FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23ECF80171E22F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4A414B80.2040600@onetel.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:12 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622161115.42506d67@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20090622161115.42506d67@scorpio.seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:14 -0000 Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it >> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or >> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been >> down to an individual ports. >> >> I've never seen any reasons given for not using portmanager, just it >> seems to be getting quietly deprecated, which is a shame because it >> works supremely well. >> >> Having said that why not check out >> http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/, the new binary ports upgrade >> system and save yourself a bunch of compile time. >> >> Chris > > I use it myself, It "just works". I would also add "-p -l" to the > command line. that way you have a log created if something does go > wrong. It will also fix up any outdated dependencies. I do use logging. In fact I do 'portmanager -s > somefile', extract a list of ports to be upgraded and run the list through a loop which does 'make config' for each port, _then_ run 'portmanager -l -u' so it runs completely unattended. It does indeed "just works" which is down to the way it works out to do leaf ports first and work backwards. portmaster looks like it has some nice features, including doing all the configs first, but I don't know if it does as good a job as portmanager in deciding what order to do things. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:45:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90CD1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318278FC08 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NLjCq5050052; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:45:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 49659BA9C; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:45:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:45:12 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090623214512.GA41195@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:45:15 -0000 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:22:19PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 16:07, Gary Kline wrote: > >=20 > > For a small unit like this, SSD is really nice. > >=20 > > But, for my workstations/servers, I'm wondering if a pure > > battery-backed RAM disk, in RAID1 with a regular hard drive, might be > > the real screamer. >=20 > battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! The downside is low capacity: 4-8 RAM modules, limiting these devices to 64GiB. And they consume more power than HDDs when idle! [http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255/11] > if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing > within a few years somebody will have a solid-state device that emulates > the current mechanical technology. it will wind up being considerably= =20 > faster than the current drives and suck Much less juice. =20 Intel's X25 is already faster [http://www.intel.com/design/flash/nand/extreme/index.htm] and consumes less electricity than a HDD [http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255/11]. Of course RAM-based disks kick ass when writing files. [http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255/6] > oh yeah, and in a few years *every* computer will have a battery back up > --not just our laptops. after some N minutes everything will be saved. > much less lost data due to sudden power outtages. I don't think so. Not every part of the world suffers from regular power outages. And efficient batteries require rare raw materials like lithium, with demand far outstripping winnable reserves. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBTOgACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVvsACaA0ZP1J6NuXtyujVbjw6ChjKB UUQAoJpQNv4pwelh/NqSIqLVjImXO1CD =3SOt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:48:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9428A1065692 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp141.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp141.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [77.238.184.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21D2F8FC0C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meslists@yahoo.fr) Received: (qmail 54201 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2009 21:48:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=uXgIUKxLhK+9XD3+zHfNolP6l3OHn+35MZDaH/nGLX+SGj00s0d7IXLywXfQgXXPOzxiTw3miYg5PViB5BxAWpY57+d3nn5mfWxtUPFeZZGHN5Ynpqq08+iX5l3M/cG+d27OVg4OsDxg/qLbkItRglaRwlMQzoAJIjK5qQugBHg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO suer) (meslists@151.49.236.170 with plain) by smtp141.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 21:48:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: vQQ_Xl6swBCl_II246m4P1b5oVD4 X-YMail-OSG: C4vpDrkVM1l6fJy47HZAp8v8sP2PR60i4GQlrSIAXldBAp50A0VSmB3TuzPbe6KhW0eLda8tiva_4S__XF3EAfLYQAWz4d5y0g5zR.CpivgijLkiMpYrs7WQs7P4qZXwzFteGmksknw61JKqFORu25f3te4S2Hfunx_93hnb4Fg2H0DM_zN1oB2yOEIJzZfBZYr0bBvPa6RWcGKEodOGfUNZkL_GPwd_vL0TFSAg2Svt774cLo56s_uHt7YP9gH3sc70ly.JiEXvNvoqpQB58U8iiQCxAa2RxNi3jKgzTA_UyVvvrzE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: dan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:48:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906232348.14647.meslists@yahoo.fr> Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: meslists@yahoo.fr List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:49:00 -0000 On Tuesday 23 June 2009 23:21:21 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > RW wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > > > > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it > >> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or > >> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been > >> down to an individual ports. > > > > You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the > > issues automatically, but not all. > > Not trolling but can you give me some examples? > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Yes. I think there is at least one. Please, consider to correct me if I am wrong. Yesterday, reading the contents of /usr/src/UPDATING in the source tree (using portupdate-scan) I found : "[...] 20090608: AFFECTS: users of lang/python* and py-* AUTHOR: miwi@FreeBSD.org The default version of Python has been changed from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. If you have 2.5.x installed, perform an upgrade of lang/python25 to lang/python26 with the following command: [...] " Can portmanager know that the default version of a port has been changed and then you need to do the upgrade to the newer major version ? And if it can know that... can also portmanager know that "[...] Once the installed Python has been updated to 2.6, by using the method above, it is required to run the upgrade-site-packages target in lang/python to assure that site-packages are made available to the new Python version. [...] "? If, otherwise, using portmanager you end up with a newer version of python 2.5 (for example)... are you sure that every upgrade in the future will work flawlessly ? After Reading the UPDATING file a guy will " [...] set the PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION variable to 'python2.5' without quotes in make.conf, then go to lang/python and perform the following command: [...] " will portmanager do the same ? d From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 21:51:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3261106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BAD8FC25 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NLowSG008039; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:51:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 88A358AAFD; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:50:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D77F8AAFA; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:50:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:50:57 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F098@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What's happening Thread-Index: Acn0SRsYV0v8q7I1RN6pzW5Ip7IJKwAAzXbw References: <3D998B9F6DB749B580ABD388D242FD09@jarasc430><20090623155534.GD42357@Grumpy.DynDNS.org><19009.6320.326422.114616@jerusalem.litteratus.org><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F095@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Kurt Buff" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 21:50:57.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0EDB4F0:01C9F44C] Cc: Subject: RE: What's happening X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:51:30 -0000 Since we're speculating, could be the switch disabled the port due to a "se= curity" event of some sort (flapping, bpdu guard/filter, etc.) and it's con= figured to auto-enable after n minutes. It's all speculation without more = info. If this is the only info available, it's nearly worthless. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:24 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's happening Well, sorta true. We know that he lost connectivity for 13 minutes. As you said, there are many reasons why this might be so, and several were suggested. The two most likely are: 1) power loss to the switch 2) somebody disconnected the cable, then replaced it Clearly, however, it isn't port negotiation - not over 13 minutes. Unfortunately, he probably doesn't have a central syslog server that collects data from hosts and other equipment, because that's the only way to tell for sure. Things like UPS power loss/fluctuation notifications, switch bootup notifications, etc., in the syslog would provide the necessary data. Kurt On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 14:00, Gary Gatten wrote: > There's not NEARLY enough info in OP to answer this - I can't believe > anyone is even trying. =A0It could be many dozen different things. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech > Puchar > Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:47 PM > To: Robert Huff > Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What's happening > >>> > >>> > Jun 23 17:09:09 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to DOWN >>> > Jun 23 17:22:25 zeus kernel: fxp0: link state changed to UP > > look at time. it's 13 minutes down > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 22:05:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA6C106568B for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302378FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:05:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 30994 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2009 22:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 22:05:25 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 249892841F; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:05:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:05:25 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090623220525.GA44363@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090623231205.15b18fb2.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623231205.15b18fb2.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:05:28 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:12:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:59:44 -0500, David Kelly wrote: > > We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk > > drives, they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited > > write life. > > What about power consumption? Because they seem to be primarily > intended for portable devices, it should be better than "tradidional > hard disks", but as I read, it's worse (less efficient, because higher > current drain). Don't think generic generalizations can be made this early in the life of the technology. Shop for SSDs while looking at the properties that interest you. In general, reading is much faster than for mechanical HD. Also seek time is nil. And read power consumption is low. A serious contender for use in servers where lots of unchanging data is needed quickly. Probably not as good of an idea for use in a mail server, but ideal for a web server. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 22:06:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFF51065687 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demonichandextensions@hotmail.com) Received: from snt0-omc4-s25.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s25.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F738FC28 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demonichandextensions@hotmail.com) Received: from SNT119-W56 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s25.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:54:03 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_aee4ccc3-fe6b-4c68-9eda-e0ed63ae022a_" X-Originating-IP: [68.43.142.70] From: Brad Davison To: Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:54:02 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2009 21:54:03.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F5E6970:01C9F44D] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 3d video driver for x1950 / Dawn of war via wine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:06:03 -0000 --_aee4ccc3-fe6b-4c68-9eda-e0ed63ae022a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 7.2-RELEASE system for audio processing (Ardour=2C JACK=2C etc.) r= unning on a dual Xeon 2.8=2C 2gb ram=20 drm0: on vgapci0 with xorg7.4_2 xorg-server-1.16.1=2C1 xfce-4.6.1 I was wondering if I was using the right driver for video. I have run glxg= ears=2C and I get 3d=2C I can play 'tuxracer' which is a 3d game=2C when I = do a glxinfo=2C I get direct rendering: Yes (full glxinfo and xvinfo attach= ed). I am just running the 'radeon' driver. I had read a really old thread in the FreeBSD wiki saying that the x1950 sh= ould be using the radeondrm driver. (which I do not have=2C I tried changi= ng that in my xorg.conf and it told me that the module does not exist. I have wine-1.1.24=2C1=2C and in the downtimes=2C I'd really love to be abl= e to play Dawn of War=2C which has Platinum rating in wine=2C but I get an = error that my video driver is not supported as well as: "fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null)=2C0=2C0xb2ec58=2C0x00000000)=2C stub= ! fixme:gl_compat:add_gl_compat_wrappers GL implementation supports GL_ARB_fr= agment_program but not GL_EXT_fog_coord fixme:gl_compat:add_gl_compat_wrappers The fog coord emulation will most li= kely fail " Can someone guide me as to what driver is optimal=2C and how to go about pu= tting it on? I'd hate to have to dual-boot / reboot this machine just for = a game that should technically work in wine. Everything else for X / audio= / video seems to work. 2d apps (like notepad.exe) work in wine=2C but no = 3d apps. I have tried Guild Wars as well. Thanks for any help. _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. 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(UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97E021C1A67; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:17:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A41546D.9050309@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:17:17 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <20090623132007.14d22270.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A411B74.2010405@locolomo.org> <20090623172143.05d760dc.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20090623172143.05d760dc.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:17:20 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Erik Norgaard : > >> Bill Moran wrote: >>> In response to Erik Norgaard : >> I do, you can put your interface in promiscuous mode and let the daemon >> grab packets before they are filtered by the firewall, or open in your >> firewall for a range of port your knock deamon will listen to. In either >> case you add an extra daemon, an extra point of failure, an extra piece >> of code that can undermine your security. > > In your earlier message you argued that promiscuous mode is a bad idea, and > when I show that it's not the case, you magically change your argument to > be about extra processes running. Please keep your argument consistent. My argument is consistent: I still think promiscuous mode is a bad idea as it allows to circumvent the firewall. I then argue that the alternative is also a bad idea since, while you may have got rid of the promiscuous mode problem which in itself is a bad idea, you still introduce a service that will need to listen on a number of ports. The alternative is to have a daemon parsing firewall log files, this is the old solution which has been abandoned if you check portknocking.org > >>>> And it can result in people being unable to access if the knocks are >>>> filtered at the source. >>> Which can happen anyway if you have an ISP who filters out ssh traffic >>> (which isn't unheard of). >> There's no point in adding this argument, in that case you have no >> connection with or without port knocking. Sticking to standard protocols >> on standard ports is the best way to ensure your ISP doesn't get in your >> way. > > Both false. Quite frequently I've moved services to a nonstandard port > because it was the _only_ way to get a service. Please read again. I here argue against port knocking not against running on a non-standard port. If you have a problem running your ssh on some port - standard or not - then you will likely also have trouble getting port-knocking working. If you don't have a problem running you ssh on the standard port, then you may still find problems deploying port-knocking. Your argument is logically inconsistent. > ... an the _best_ way to ensure your ISP doesn't pull that kind of crap > on you is to use an ISP that won't do that. Not everyone has that option, > though. The best way to get your ISP to allow connections is to use standard well documented protocols on standard ports as it is fairly easy to convince them that this is a standard service and should be enabled. And it's not only ISPs, it's also the other sites your users visit, businesses that may employ their policies. The more you divert from standards the more likely you are to have your connection blocked by a policy some where, and the more difficulty you'll have convincing that a change should be made. >> So your argument about port knocking boils down to getting rid of some >> log entries, while annoying your users? > > Nay. It boils down to making log entries _useful_. And if your users > are annoyed, you're not doing your job. Something like puTTY (for example) > allows you to set up a profile. Just set the port in the profile and > the user never need remember it again. Yes, changing to a non-standard port is not excessively annoying and I agree that this measure cannot compromise the security. But I think port-knocking is annoying, it may cause security problems and it does not add any real security. > And if catering to users who don't know how to switch ports is more important > than making your logs useful, then do that instead. I'm not arguing that > it's the correct solution for everyone, I'm simply arguing that it's not > totally useless, which seems to be your point. It is security by obscurity not adding any real security but potentially worsening it or causing denial of service - no in the sense of DOS attacks but in the sense that it doesn't allow ordinary users to login and get stuff done. >> Now, how about your logs of failed port knocking attempts? Because, you >> log that, right? If your idea gains traction, then attackers will start >> knocking ports randomly ... you'll just have those logs filling up instead. > > Once attackers start trying random keys instead of passwords, will you > abandon PKI as well? Bad example. The only valid point you have demonstrated thus far is that you get less log entries. I am not convinced that this compensates for the problems you face deploying it. And, then also I argue that your only valid point only remains valid as long as I am correct in my analysis > Security has been, and always will be, keeping one step ahead of your > attackers. Take the opinion that you can't stay ahead of them, and you've > already lost the war. Best way to stay ahead is to deploy solutions that add real security and not solutions that add complexity and obscurity. >> if this is your main concern, why don't you just filter out the failed >> attempts? after all they failed. If you do proper security monitoring, >> your tools can be tuned to look at the interesting part of the logs. > > Because a successful attack is already too late. I want to know who is > _attempting_ to break in and prevent them from having additional time > to keep trying. You can perfectly filter a lot of failed attempts. If you deny users other than those in the group users, then the failed login attempts for the user "games" are really not very interesting. Filtering your logs and keep the interesting part is a standard job. But it is a completely different problem. >> LoginGraceTime >> MaxAuthTries >> MaxSessions >> MaxStartups > > All of these are valid _parts_ of a comprehensive security approach to > SSH. Any one of them alone is not very strong, but combine them with > a strong password policy and other tools, and you'll have a site that's > very secure. I don't argue that they add much security, but they may reduce the log load that annoys you so much, and buy you time. >> Also, very effective, identify address ranges where your users will >> never connect from and black list them in the first place. > > If that's possible. It frequently is, but what if you have users who > travel worldwide? Heck, something as simple as nationwide quickly > makes it difficult to reliably block enough ranges to be effective. Certainly, if you have a large organization with lots of people travelling such that the yearly exception is not a working solution - hey you could have the secretary tell when tickets are purchased to do add exceptions without the fuzz. The typical solution is not to add complexity in services but to isolate the systems these people can access and restrict the services available such as to limit the impact of any successful attack. > My point in all this is not that your suggestions are bad. It's just > that your discounting of knock methods an moving ports is a bit > extreme. There are a number of cases where those techniques are very > useful in combination with other security practices. My point is that any theoretical security that may be gained with port-knocking does not compensate for the all real and potential problems you will likely run into. Now instead of being woken up by the salesman that can't access from some remote country, you'll be woken up by the same salesman that can't access because the knocking sequence is filtered. There are so many more efficient ways of improving security, I have yet to be convinced of the existence of a scenario where port-knocking will create a measurable increased effect that cannot be achieved with more easily with off-the-shelf solutions. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 22:30:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A8510656A3 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262698FC18 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:30:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5NMULuU015641; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:30:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 589C1BAAC; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:30:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:30:21 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Brad Davison Message-ID: <20090623223021.GC41195@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8X7/QrJGcKSMr1RN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3d video driver for x1950 / Dawn of war via wine X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:30:24 -0000 --8X7/QrJGcKSMr1RN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:54:02PM +0000, Brad Davison wrote: >=20 > I have a 7.2-RELEASE system for audio processing (Ardour, JACK, etc.) run= ning on a dual Xeon 2.8, 2gb ram=20 > drm0: on vgapci0 > with xorg7.4_2 > xorg-server-1.16.1,1 > xfce-4.6.1 >=20 > I was wondering if I was using the right driver for video. I have run > glxgears, and I get 3d, I can play 'tuxracer' which is a 3d game, when > I do a glxinfo, I get direct rendering: Yes (full glxinfo and xvinfo > attached). I am just running the 'radeon' driver. Both the xf86-video-ati and xf86-video-radeonhd from ports should work with this realease and hardware. I'm using radeonhd on an X1650. Works fine. =20 > I had read a really old thread in the FreeBSD wiki saying that the > x1950 should be using the radeondrm driver. (which I do not have, I > tried changing that in my xorg.conf and it told me that the module > does not exist. This is referring to the radeon/drm kernel modules. Since you get direct rendering, I'm assuming you've already have those modules loaded or built into the kernel. I have the following modules loaded: slackbox:~> kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 8 0xffffffff80100000 681588 kernel 2 2 0xffffffff80782000 ee78 agp.ko 3 2 0xffffffff80791000 220f8 drm.ko 4 1 0xffffffff807b4000 71110 radeon.ko (This won't show drivers built into the kernel) > I have wine-1.1.24,1, and in the downtimes, I'd really love to be able > to play Dawn of War, which has Platinum rating in wine, but I get an > error that my video driver is not supported as well as: > "fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0xb2ec58,0x00000000), stub! > fixme:gl_compat:add_gl_compat_wrappers GL implementation supports GL_ARB_= fragment_program but not GL_EXT_fog_coord > fixme:gl_compat:add_gl_compat_wrappers The fog coord emulation will most = likely fail " This is probably a bug in wine: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080418.104819.53073efd.en.html Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --8X7/QrJGcKSMr1RN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBV30ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV5twCgjwZ0us0v4U8BSAaXZLpWSEgT IfwAn2Ow/0HU+oE7rtyFdPidVueyj9Zs =imOb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8X7/QrJGcKSMr1RN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 22:33:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA921065673 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from global@cirkusprinsessan2009.se) Received: from mtah31.telenor.se (mtah31.telenor.se [213.150.131.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7CA8FC14 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from global@cirkusprinsessan2009.se) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by mtah31.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DB95B1FB for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:01:24 +0200 (CEST) X-SMTPAUTH: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8QALftQErDNmV4mWdsb2JhbACCJxUYhCGQUYElAQEBAQEICwoHE7lyhAoF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,277,1243807200"; d="scan'208,217";a="22703243" Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.101.120]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2009 00:01:24 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Alv4APPtQEpV5X7VPGdsb2JhbACGdZFuOQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,277,1243807200"; d="scan'208,217";a="540283989" Received: from c-d57ee555.016-94-73746f11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [10.0.1.4]) ([85.229.126.213]) by ironport1.bredband.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 00:01:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:01:24 +0200 Mime-version: 1.0 From: The CircusPrincess To: Message-Id: <62401.IGFFIUXS@cirkusprinsessan2009.se> Original-recipient: rfc822;freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: The worldwide search for CircusPrincess 2009 is on! 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:00 +0000 Cc: "Paulo, Jose" , "Yetman, Mark" , "Vasconcelos, Jaime" , "Spring, Jim" , "Volinz, Jeff" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Certified Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:13:02 -0000 --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 03:18:33PM -0400, Thompson, Rhett wrote: > Is it possible for you to provide us with an updated hardware certified > vendor list for FreeBsd.=20 There is no such thing, AFAIK. The volunteers who form the FreeBSD project spend their time improving FreeBSD, not doing formal certification tests. That should be the job of the vendor. The hardware vendors list that you can find on the site [http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html] is driven by submissions from the vendors. > We would like to know if FreeBSD is supported on HP Blades and which > models, network cards, HBA cards for connecting to SAN's. First, ask the vendors of the hardware in question. If they are unwilling or unable to give an answer, would you want to buy their stuff? If you want information on particular models of hardware, search through the archives of the freebsd-questions list. If problems exist with particular models, that is where it will probably turn up first. If you have specific questions, you can ask on the list. Or use zgrep to search the manual pages in drivers category (/usr/share/man/man4). If you want a particular piece of hardware supported, you could hire a developer to do that for you. Maybe ask on the hackers@ list. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBU2kACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVxvwCfdbZ8apsljjAcE/YWvguIdM66 MuMAnih2jSUulPscBGsmBoU63RDDx+OZ =DZnE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 22:39:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F87F1065670 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from asav4.lyse.net (asav4.lyse.net [81.167.36.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319FF8FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kenneth.hatteland@kleppnett.no) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD8F6C3C3 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:45 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lyse.net Received: from phobos.hatteland1.org (129.81-166-80.customer.lyse.net [81.166.80.129]) by asav4.lyse.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D076CEA4 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A41599A.3060405@kleppnett.no> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:22 +0200 From: kenneth hatteland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: upgrading openoffice.org with portmaster X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:39:47 -0000 when I start upgrading openoffice.org it switches from my localized language build to standard us en..... Anyone have an idea how to force upgrade to stick with my norwegian build with portmaster ?? Platform freebsd 7.2 stable (x86) Blessed be From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 23:33:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A62106566C for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2D78FC0A for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so638474ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:33:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e8AbtK9PGy5kCFhFYXRjly2aM1ZsxYG7mrdHfz6aFuk=; b=D5lyK/oYKZg6NLH0E7t2XKUF95Nc6V8lxoUtk8D+QfgAHbPyZufoMDXrtjFDWNKrWy gqC+I5ZIq6255fLU8asAitRKjK0BfAmweXx433+gjcaS/Jx95Rx+wqRVFbHqck0OTLDp hQfj77wB9XovTkPJygUclakDQ/1fOH/h3xflU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=o+DBW8cJFGK6YKJ2iQ4xhyEUVGQAEHK3JT8U+zv8phm+FlQvI/llTEPhAOcgxs33XY 6Uqx5EsoOsGBO85xpqgHDx5Dg9KESNffghj1X0JHSQnkUoUxBBjI9txOFugaH8p8/bQ6 YCzeduWUrrp13lucAv8AXpBiDOObhj6EhqgBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.72 with SMTP id h50mr182936wea.137.1245799980840; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:33:03 -0000 Whenever I $ ssh -X user@server from my FreeBSD machine, I get the following message (and am successfully logged in): Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. When I log in to the same servers from my Ubuntu machines, I do NOT get that message. What's wrong here? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 00:34:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31E9106566C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFB08FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5O0Ydjw018620; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:34:35 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090624003435.GA24225@thought.org> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F08B@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F08B@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:34:43 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:30:25PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > If it's fast enough to allow one to work unimpeded, has acceptable > lifetime/reliability, and uses less power/generates less heat than > traditional platter HD - I'd say it's a good solution. It's not a one > size fits all world. > hm. but then, the rhetorical question might be: Does any one thing fit everyone? seriously, i did check the specs sheet for this flavor of SSD. the most noteworthy thing was the statement that this device lasts ten years before it fails to hold state. the youtube video demo'd the narrator using windoze XP and editing a video, then task-switching and browsing the net. it showed some girl talking; her voice was audible. i'll post the site if i ever find it, but i gather it was from dec, '08. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 00:50:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BA0106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D588FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so673491ewy.43 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IE5h6PQNSPwQkLUP9emWWhAeOG308AeGpcAKiBhjDn8=; b=B31qoW2GsNnncRFqrn5aasQf7To1qeN4I/ETsEc3dylHGeN0ItOHLG7GQCszK3umxP 5Dm3xY/iwqnub+OpL+RXm630OvpiCMF6MPBU0mmTGxT1vgT8hxwbWuRs4XR2ZNsBAxZw z7zNwlUE1HAQG8TLQWPdxf8XNiZuAwe+FO10w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PVBVOmd1u/wr3Fh2/sBa0FR5ULww9v/JC4wBcLR+a+NHauJdkldkX2pJPnk7pRadI2 t0IUjyBExm+SH4/oBl0UWFSGZSLDWWa9aBcdMVcyhLZRe3Ahj4O8vh4ViBtXyqvFEfxL B4nJ02TB7bCmPnCsFY0xzKMjIAYeqaSV4hUzU= Received: by 10.210.115.15 with SMTP id n15mr755905ebc.39.1245804655396; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm822019eyz.11.2009.06.23.17.50.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:50:51 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624015051.2ee23577@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:50:57 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:21 +0100 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > RW wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > > > >> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > >> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > >> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever > >> it was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over > >> one or two quite major changes and not had any problems that > >> haven't been down to an individual ports. > > > > You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the > > issues automatically, but not all. > > Not trolling but can you give me some examples? Many of of the entries aren't solely to do with guiding portmaster/portupgrade through the upgrade, they may also involve migrating configuration or user data, or performing other administrative tasks. Portmanger does cope with most of the "portupgrade -o" and "portupgrade -r" entries, although sometime it will need to be run (or rerun) in pristine-mode. However, it doesn't always work correctly when software has been repackaged because this can create temporary unrecorded conflicts which are difficult for any tool to deal with. If you see any instructions to remove packages before upgrading, it's prudent to follow them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 01:09:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE33A1065673 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986D88FC41 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5O19Pti018961 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:09:22 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:09:28 -0000 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 03:59:44PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:10:41PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > battery-backed ram sound great for the time being! > > > > if not now [this minute], then relatively soon, i'm guessing > > within a few years somebody will have a solid-state device that emulates > > the current mechanical technology. it will wind up being considerably > > faster than the current drives and suck Much less juice. > > We are already there. SSDs are not slower than mechanical disk drives, > they are faster. The only detriments are 1) cost, 2) limited write life. FOUND IT: URL IS: Http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/SPD/runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000---backorder-runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000--800008DB-1224129741.jsp YOU were right about the cost. i thought it was half the $220. the 10k r/w cycle isn't that bad.... > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net > ======================================================================== > Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 01:30:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA14B1065673 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEEC8FC21 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090624010716.WPIA14603.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:07:16 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.0.65.3]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7d7F1c00S04CkKG02d7GGX; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:07:16 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GgV9a6GioL87dkkxXz0A:9 a=EgN1BM3CkIOy4hdTCxa8IxV8JlQA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4A417C47.1030700@cox.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:07:19 -0500 From: Derek Funk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090623-0, 06/23/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: cups&samba jailed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:30:32 -0000 Attempting to setup cups and samba into a jail. How do you mount/add device node /dev/ulpt0 within a jail. Essentially I would like to know, how to add device nodes within jail /dev for specifically the devices I want? I have read man pages and tutorials on setting up jails but none show examples of actually putting specific device nodes within jail /dev. It would also be nice to know, how to build a minimal install into a jail? What I have read so far from search does not show this either. Reading mostly states to refer to man pages and man pages state see also other man pages. I missing the tie together. Derek From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 05:22:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7A01065677 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E858FC19 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n5O5Hanl016952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:17:36 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5O5LwJp004590; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:21:58 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:21:58 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200906240521.n5O5LwJp004590@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: PCI-X SATA card for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:22:03 -0000 ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Hi, I am not sure if any card of the type exists, but I am looking for a PCI-X card with external SATA connector (1 or 2) to supports port multiplier. Idea is to attach a bank of disk to use a backup media. TIA, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 05:23:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B7D106568F for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:23:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BD68FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n5O5Ie0g017026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:18:40 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5O5N2WQ004611; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:23:02 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:23:02 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200906240523.n5O5N2WQ004611@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: security/pgp on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:23:07 -0000 ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Hi, Is the port security/pgp working on amd64 system? I copied my public and private keyrings from i386 to amd64 system and I cannot decipher any file, it keeps on complaining that the pass phrase is bad. I already tried to export the key on the i386 and import on the amd64, but it did not change a thing. TIA, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 07:05:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D561065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E216A8FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n5O757rk032834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:05:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5O757An024741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:05:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5O752RI024739; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:05:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:05:02 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Olivier Nicole Message-ID: <20090624070502.GE76275@dan.emsphone.com> References: <200906240523.n5O5N2WQ004611@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906240523.n5O5N2WQ004611@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-OS: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:05:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: security/pgp on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:05:09 -0000 In the last episode (Jun 24), Olivier Nicole said: > Is the port security/pgp working on amd64 system? > > I copied my public and private keyrings from i386 to amd64 system and I > cannot decipher any file, it keeps on complaining that the pass phrase is > bad. > > I already tried to export the key on the i386 and import on the amd64, but > it did not change a thing. You mean the pgp-6.5.8_1 port, with a source tarball dated 1999-10-31? I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't 64-bit capable. Try the gnupg port instead. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 09:32:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFF41065676 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5c:af2e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFC68FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from chandra.cs.pdx.edu (chandra.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.127]) by rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id n5O9WOPC029907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:24 -0700 Received: from chandra.cs.pdx.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chandra.cs.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n5O9WOUu005318 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by chandra.cs.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id n5O9WOIT005307 for FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chandra.cs.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:24 -0700 From: freebsd@t41t.com To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (rcpt.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.107]); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=6.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/9502/Wed Jun 24 01:54:13 2009 on rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:27 -0000 Gary Kline: > Http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/SPD/runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000---backorder-runcore-64gb-pata-mini-pci-e-pcie-ssd-for-asus-eee-pc-901-and-1000--800008DB-1224129741.jsp > ... statement that this device lasts ten years before it fails to > hold state. Roland Smith: > The big difference is that it is much easier to tweak and change > algorithms when doing it in software. Wojciech Puchar: > This flash chips have to emulate hard drive, which slows them down > manyfold > ... has acceptable lifetime/reliability, and uses less power/generates > less heat than traditional platter HD ... > [F]or example wear leveling and emulation small blocks requires moving > of data within flash, this lowers both performance and lifetime. I should know better, but I'm going to reply anyway. First, be careful about statements like "10 years before it fails to hold state." Usually that means if you write data to the device and put it on a shelf, you've got 10 years before the data is unreadable. Being marketing figures, these numbers are naturally stretched and inflated. Data retention is strongly dependent on ambient temperature, among other things. More to the point, that's a statistic you probably don't care about, because who's going to buy a $200+ SSD hard drive and then leave it on a shelf for a decade? The number you probably care about is how long _in active use_ the drive will last, and that's probably _not_ 10 years. The primary source of degredation (and eventually, failure) is writes, so minimizing writes will probably extend the drive's life. NAND Flash, as used in SSDs, is typically rated for (order of magnitude...) 10k write cycles. How many writes that gives you, once you put a bunch of chips together into an SSD and do wear leveling and all that, is anyone's guess. (The manufacturer probably knows, but won't tell you.) Current NAND Flash chips do ECC and wear leveling transparently. It is a significant time cost to move a block, so it's usually done when a block is already being erased. This eliminates half the time because you already know half the data trivially (it's being erased), and erase is already a long operation, so making it a little longer is less noticeable. Implementing wear leveling in OS-level software isn't feasible. As I mentioned, wear leveling happens within the chip, so the OS doesn't even know a block swap has occurred. (As an extension of this, the OS doesn't know what the write count is, per block.) The OS doesn't have access to physical parameters of the Flash cells (parameters the chip itself can measure on-the-fly) to know when a swap needs to occur. Depending on implementation, the OS may not even realize when (or how often) an ECC correction occurs. Wear leveling algorithms are anything but trivial, are usually are closely guarded trade secrets, and depend heavily on manufacturing process parameters that are themselves trade secret. (This is not to say a Flash-specific file system doesn't have value... you can probably get a lot just by caching writes as long as possible, and putting commonly-modified pieces of data near each other in the address space so they can be written together when updating is needed.) The SATA bridge does have a non-zero impact on read and write times. However, that impact is nowhere near "manyfold" the inherenet read/write time. In fact, it's pretty close to negligible. Most of the time is eaten up by multi-level cell sensing/placement, ECC correction, and as mentioned above, wear leveling (for writes). The lifetime and reliability of SSDs are less-than-or-equal-to the lifetime and reliability of spinning magnetic drives, so don't buy an SSD for that. Whether SSDs use less power is an open question. There's a lot of data going either way. The last comparison I saw suggested spinning drives average less power than their SSD counterparts. In any event, it's not clear-cut yet. SSDs probably do generate less heat (but I've not seen data on that). Of course, the access time on an SSD is order(s) of magnitude less than for a spinning drive, and that's cause enough for lots of people to buy one. And finally, wear leveling is just a fact of life with Flash. It's not a symptom of emulating a spinning drive or some particular block size. Wear leveling won't go away (and you won't gain back that part of the write time) by inventing a non-SATA, Flash-specific HD interface that nobody supports yet. In fact, Gary's link talks about a device with a PCIe interface, so the whole issue of acting like a spinning drive isn't applicable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 09:44:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3790C1065672 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324238FC1C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5O9iYCV063561; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n5O9iY4V063558; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd@t41t.com In-Reply-To: <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> Message-ID: References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:44:42 -0000 > First, be careful about statements like "10 years before it fails to hold > state." Usually that means if you write data to the device and put it on a > shelf, you've got 10 years before the data is unreadable. Being marketing possibly it's true if you will write it few times and no more ;) store it in perfect stable room temperature with low natural radiation background etc. > for a decade? The number you probably care about is how long _in active > use_ the drive will last, and that's probably _not_ 10 years. The primary 10000 writes of it's size if it would be properly managed (flash filesystem). As it emulates disk divide it by at least two on writing large files, at least 20 in case of random small writes. > is less noticeable. Implementing wear leveling in OS-level software > isn't feasible. As I mentioned, wear leveling happens within the chip, > so the OS doesn't even know a block swap has occurred. (As an extension you are wrong. flash chips doesn't do this. There is a controller that do this. If it would give simple interface to flash chips and say PCI-Express or SATA, making proper flash filesystem would be possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 10:59:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1291065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605468FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so837521qyk.3 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sbi4yFwBoyQq7f7/QafcEOvugH9/qf7PvXap0fIKb3s=; b=hov81+LgAV/DeMKiLv2DW+8TkFxmSel7Pq/iUTgytDZQSb8JCOF9wb+7TpiRHvn4hU YGuU5UC121A58gVVeD2HsartDqq8SkLDVycbpIHbN30Q+D3TJVq7XgWeTPpg9MuCbyx5 w82emvClOdv/JhLghpzSNjsLGHkYQn/0XqEKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OWPlQJ+tDzhP19U/JZ/cAYIOAYWnNgUA30u07uEJ814HvnbT6bi7QIYmYb9DoQo4GZ k76dP3ej/wL+bN9y9ZJW9FfIE/mIAfBybiqtEOEF2BZgH6uoqtcOxtAvKmXupPrp49Cn 0AEUn2UYn/7TjJPmCBKg6thXzhHjz9E0LgJ1Y= Received: by 10.224.2.210 with SMTP id 18mr909334qak.262.1245841158819; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?152.144.218.35? ([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2018348qwb.40.2009.06.24.03.59.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:29:13 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: j.mckeown@ru.ac.za Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:59:19 -0000 > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: >> > I hope the next release will address these problems, as well as a pretty >> > reasonable request from me much earlier to move vi from /usr/bin to >> > /bin. Even in single-user mode, you almost always need an editor. > > Which is why you have ed(1) - both in /bin and in /rescue - and /rescue/vi > (although that needs a bit of tweaking due to the /etc/termcap problem). > > Bear in mind that /usr/bin/vi is over 300K, compared to the whole of /bin > which is ~950K (if you avoid double-counting entries like /bin/csh > and /bin/tcsh which are hardlinks to the same file), so you need to convince > people who think /bin should stay small to let it grow by a third to save > people learning ed(1). > > Jonathan Hello Jonathan, About ed first. I might annoy a few people (which would gladden me in this particular case), but ed was just one of Ken Thompson's nightmares which he managed to reproduce in Unix with great precision. By no stretch of imagination would it qualify as an editor, because an editor can meaningfully edit only what it can first show. And ed has never had anything to show. A modern operating system like FreeBSD should really be kicking ed out of the distribution completely : bad ideas don't have to be necessarily perpetuated just for the sake of compliance with the original concept of Unix. > and /rescue/vi > (although that needs a bit of tweaking due to the /etc/termcap problem) That's the whole problem of /rescue/vi. When you suddenly find yourself in single-user mode, the last thing you want to do is realise that tweaking is needed for something which should work normally just when you need it, and quickly too. > Bear in mind that /usr/bin/vi is over 300K Actually, the cost is more than 300K because the terminal database would have to be put into / too. But why are we talking about a few hundred kilos for such a basic utility as vi in times when everyone has hundreds of GB's on the disk, and the / partition itself is 512 MB by default. The BSD concept of having vi under /usr originated when resources were less by a factor of thousands (<= (100 MB disks), <= (8 MB physical RAM) and so on). When we are well past those kind of constraints, the concept needs an rethink. Actually, there is an even more radical update that I would have loved FreeBSD to have initiated. Instead, the credit has gone to Microsoft. The simple thing is when a system has multiple gigabytes of RAM, the OS should be able give an option to the user of completely doing away with swapping and force all the action in real, physical memory instead. This latter idea might still sound a bit far-fetched, but at least dumping ed and /rescue/vi to pave way for /bin/vi is certainly more than a workable idea. Till that happens, people like me might be forced to do outlandish things like copying /usr/local/bin/{bash,vim} to /bin and their associated libraries to /lib. I really mean copying, not moving - which could create problems with port/library upgrades at a later date. It works, is safe and easy, and requires no tweaking. Hope there are some takers. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 11:55:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547BA106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ns.kfs.ru) Received: from ns.kfs.ru (kfs.kfs.ru [194.186.81.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFF28FC15 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ns.kfs.ru) Received: from bsam by ns.kfs.ru with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MJR4j-000KaS-4W; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:55:37 +0400 To: kenneth hatteland References: <4A41599A.3060405@kleppnett.no> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:55:37 +0400 In-Reply-To: <4A41599A.3060405@kleppnett.no> (kenneth hatteland's message of "Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:22 +0200") Message-ID: <22377494@serv3.int.kfs.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: "Boris B. Samorodov" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading openoffice.org with portmaster X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:55:41 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:22 +0200 kenneth hatteland wrote: > when I start upgrading openoffice.org it switches from my localized > language build to standard us en..... > Anyone have an idea how to force upgrade to stick with my norwegian > build with portmaster ?? > Platform freebsd 7.2 stable (x86) I have at /etc/make.conf for russian language: ----- .if ${.CURDIR:M*/editors/openoffice.org-3} LOCALIZED_LANG=ru .endif ----- I'm not sure if Norwegian is "nb" or something else though. But you have an idea. WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 12:11:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629D21065675 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3903A8FC20 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 32078 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2009 12:11:17 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2009 12:11:17 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835035084E; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id DA5201CC42; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:11:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Daniel Underwood References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:11:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Daniel Underwood's message of "Tue\, 23 Jun 2009 19\:33\:00 -0400") Message-ID: <44k531vnkx.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:11:18 -0000 Daniel Underwood writes: > Whenever I > > $ ssh -X user@server > > from my FreeBSD machine, I get the following message (and am > successfully logged in): > > Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated > Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. > > When I log in to the same servers from my Ubuntu machines, I do NOT > get that message. > > What's wrong here? See the ssh(1) manual for information on the -X and -Y options, and ssh_config(5) for information on ForwardX11Trusted. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 12:30:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E8E106566C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weyoun@bredband.net) Received: from mtah31.telenor.se (mtah31.telenor.se [213.150.131.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5718FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:30:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weyoun@bredband.net) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by mtah31.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA2832ACA for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:03:55 +0200 (CEST) X-SMTPAUTH: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AogEAJeyQUrDNmV4gWdsb2JhbACBUZcdAQEWJLkMhAsF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,282,1243807200"; d="scan'208";a="22823057" Received: from ironport.bredband.com ([195.54.101.120]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2009 14:03:55 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvejANOyQUpV44BwPGdsb2JhbACBUZcTAQEBATe5HIQLBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,282,1243807200"; d="scan'208";a="540467575" Received: from c-7080e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.128.112]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2009 14:03:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4A421629.4010508@bredband.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:03:53 +0200 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090405) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kenneth hatteland References: <4A41599A.3060405@kleppnett.no> <22377494@serv3.int.kfs.ru> In-Reply-To: <22377494@serv3.int.kfs.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading openoffice.org with portmaster X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:30:24 -0000 Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:39:22 +0200 kenneth hatteland wrote: > >> when I start upgrading openoffice.org it switches from my localized >> language build to standard us en..... > >> Anyone have an idea how to force upgrade to stick with my norwegian >> build with portmaster ?? > >> Platform freebsd 7.2 stable (x86) > > I have at /etc/make.conf for russian language: > ----- > .if ${.CURDIR:M*/editors/openoffice.org-3} > LOCALIZED_LANG=ru > .endif > ----- > > I'm not sure if Norwegian is "nb" or something else though. But > you have an idea. > > > WBR Norwegian should be no if I'm not mistaken.If you install ports-mgmt/portconf, you get a means to configure default knobs for ports, that's not dependant on which portmanager you use. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 13:13:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3576A10656A5 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A518FC1F for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so77686qwd.7 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Jc0W71uKkPfvpweixg53nCoEKzAiX6sWq/cGuG1ScA=; b=sDa5DAsG2q+YtoT2hCK1bo35YnOzv5I4Wf0lYo7TRODnmYwtma26E+aij9QopC1B/O pQnCuTjry/mGY/q991KXeiU8B9WG6pjPKdwfqvEFe6sNimck7A1kaXbz7eBjkzsJBz6T J3dwsAULPa7sgaKFR6m751MX58IdgYNQBnqic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=jG0jWYUoKDNxq68Ue7mjumZURlC46XaBJ+LrW4GctmfcCzakWDri9+TffiLbUa3qQE N2iSb7O0qmlxzsSiAaYQ5sWoybvPMfief4GqKjHHovw7am2jW7yVmEj7qFo0I7Srb1Ik SSX/uZ6zaoYgkuZcJFZN37+gOZbT/aQ+aTSiI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.74.8 with SMTP id s8mr1024264qaj.259.1245849229174; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: invalid.pointer@gmail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:13:50 -0000 > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: ... >About ed first. I might annoy a few people (which would gladden me in >this particular case), but ed was just one of Ken Thompson's nightmares >which he managed to reproduce in Unix with great precision. By no >stretch of imagination would it qualify as an editor, because an editor >can meaningfully edit only what it can first show. And ed has never had >anything to show. A modern operating system like FreeBSD should really >be kicking ed out of the distribution completely : bad ideas don't have >to be necessarily perpetuated just for the sake of compliance with the >original concept of Unix. If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. ... >That's the whole problem of /rescue/vi. When you suddenly find yourself >in single-user mode, the last thing you want to do is realise that >tweaking is needed for something which should work normally just when >you need it, and quickly too. Yes. But there have been some recent changes: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194628 that suggest that this problem is being addressed. ... >But why are we talking about a few hundred >kilos for such a basic utility as vi in times when everyone has hundreds >of GB's on the disk, and the / partition itself is 512 MB by default. >The BSD concept of having vi under /usr originated when resources were >less by a factor of thousands (<= (100 MB disks), <= (8 MB physical RAM) >and so on). When we are well past those kind of constraints, the concept >needs an rethink. No, we're not. A lot of people are still using old hardware, or embedded hardware, where efficiency in space and computational effort are still important, and will remain so for a while. Please don't encourage bloat. ... >Actually, there is an even more radical update that I would have loved >FreeBSD to have initiated. Instead, the credit has gone to Microsoft. >The simple thing is when a system has multiple gigabytes of RAM, the OS >should be able give an option to the user of completely doing away with >swapping and force all the action in real, physical memory instead. ??? Who is giving them that credit? This isn't new. You already have some control over swapping via several oids: vm.swap_enabled vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts vm.defer_swapspace_pageouts vm.swap_idle_enabled vm.swap_idle_threshold1 vm.swap_idle_threshold2 etc. See, for example, tuning(7). These have been around for ages (well, at least since June 1996). You can also build your kernel with: options NO_SWAPPING which takes precedence over these settings. That option has been around even longer. Linux has corresponding features, although they didn't always work well on older kernels. More recently, kib@ has just committed some changes that allow for finer control of swapping, and, in the opposite direction, "anonymous memory", in his overcommit patches: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194766 http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194767 http://people.freebsd.org/~kib/overcommit/ b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 13:36:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69511065674 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f226.google.com (mail-ew0-f226.google.com [209.85.219.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C418FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so243167ewy.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OarIStYJxDlQD+6ccXafq3Wul9ei2UMh4IaJsCAmWYk=; b=NNR0Ci5YtKeE1pIwSBZUEIzbgJhamtGaVZFxyDpLYYtw/gzQKYeNyzEAvYb8osTtGS S9Vy0TAeLV2nPre0H4cs18qtkUk/JQBWDZrkb2rlHrDBsP1KN7uyhsVASI8kk7ixlc/C Vu4SoHulpF3KABLnprv4lq2Rjuwb6rvHZwTks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qF/LykG6VHDAhWcCL+JHgDenDOKwnlKfO+bJi7OKpHJV9DCYMyyqQGVEEMwOb3gaD4 UcECqWBpOnXqKERFQ9otwQrtu8NseHVydKvXu9fiDLLe0sS6jJt70sOpXJAKOxfPMEqP Y99HC7l1OU9UeulDl/LgPWHd+8bcJxLCgASHQ= Received: by 10.210.128.17 with SMTP id a17mr1503544ebd.38.1245850589340; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm2054525eye.56.2009.06.24.06.36.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:36:13 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:36:31 -0000 On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:12 +0200 Erik Norgaard wrote: > You're right, as long as port-knocking as a first pass authentication > scheme is not in wide spread use, then any attackers will not waste > time port-knocking. If ever port-knocking becomes common, attackers > will adapt and start knocking. It would be fairly straightforward to prevent that by having a combination of knocking ports and secret guard ports. When a guard port gets hit the sequence is broken, and the source IP gets blocked for a while. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 13:53:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CDE10656BE for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DBB8FC21 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A5051C1A67; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:53:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:53:15 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:53:33 -0000 RW wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:12 +0200 > Erik Norgaard wrote: > >> You're right, as long as port-knocking as a first pass authentication >> scheme is not in wide spread use, then any attackers will not waste >> time port-knocking. If ever port-knocking becomes common, attackers >> will adapt and start knocking. > > It would be fairly straightforward to prevent that by having a > combination of knocking ports and secret guard ports. When a guard port > gets hit the sequence is broken, and the source IP gets blocked for a > while. Great: Wouldn't that be the same as monitoring failed login attempts and temporarily blacklisting ips that repeatedly connect through standard methods? Point remains: Adding port knocking does not solve any security problem, it only adds complexity, cost, points of failure, inconvenience etc while making your problem appear differently and leaving you with the illusion of being more secure. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:02:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A31106566C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84578FC17 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEF335BEE; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:02:21 +0200 From: cpghost To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20090624140221.GA1974@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:02:25 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:53:15PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > RW wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:12 +0200 > > Erik Norgaard wrote: > > > >> You're right, as long as port-knocking as a first pass authentication > >> scheme is not in wide spread use, then any attackers will not waste > >> time port-knocking. If ever port-knocking becomes common, attackers > >> will adapt and start knocking. > > > > It would be fairly straightforward to prevent that by having a > > combination of knocking ports and secret guard ports. When a guard port > > gets hit the sequence is broken, and the source IP gets blocked for a > > while. > > Great: Wouldn't that be the same as monitoring failed login attempts and > temporarily blacklisting ips that repeatedly connect through standard > methods? Hmmm..., you're right on this point. But port knocking can be useful and provide more security *if* you modify the kocking sequence algorithmically and make it, e.g. a function of time, source IP/range (and other factors). This could prevent a whole class of replay-attacks. Of course, you can modify the keys/passwords algorithmically and make them a function of time, source IP etc. as well... ;-) And while we're at it: how about real OPIE? Or combining SSH keys, OPIE, and port knocking? > Erik N?rgaard > Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:08:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67D710656C3 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3645A8FC1B for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6D935BEE; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:46 +0200 From: cpghost To: "b. f." Message-ID: <20090624140846.GB1974@phenom.cordula.ws> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:08:50 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:13:49AM -0700, b. f. wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: > > >About ed first. I might annoy a few people (which would gladden me in > >this particular case), but ed was just one of Ken Thompson's nightmares > >which he managed to reproduce in Unix with great precision. By no > >stretch of imagination would it qualify as an editor, because an editor > >can meaningfully edit only what it can first show. And ed has never had > >anything to show. A modern operating system like FreeBSD should really > >be kicking ed out of the distribution completely : bad ideas don't have > >to be necessarily perpetuated just for the sake of compliance with the > >original concept of Unix. > > If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have > to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a > (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. Please don't touch/remove ed(1)! * It's still very useful on non-curses/termcap capable terminals like raw serial lines etc. * It's also very useful in batch/script mode, as there are some multi-line text processing problems that you can't tackle with sed(1) alone, and where awk(1) or even perl, python etc.. are overkill. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:19:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F21106568B for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f226.google.com (mail-ew0-f226.google.com [209.85.219.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D323F8FC2E for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so285682ewy.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lhYT3MAXpBFb+BWEcrg1Gcg24nhsYbRZc2vGO93LEfw=; b=u49ztr1pIHavsZfizmnBKa4y0Mxx1wrgKfmWW90d4hXY1DlgxREWmRYtDhhc43Lwrh 4ZCdxAnbhhT6CKHZBdgrQHSdm1Pd34gPC1ZnHKimeCwmpHzkSjPJWBQLxshKkrvIPLr9 2VCiG9e+nVWoaJ2HqbM7xDpKt6P5eyMifirTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gKY29dOeJNM4RDqKts56Nsr/9iM1ITeh2j4XzmZvWltLJ/AFwCIP4AGBXQAlTwwUVb JpyZV1Uz8sywAmLGmtGrpBY9HTgnRGuH6CJRcNnlINFz0XueFSxEcKIQTB1hzuT/zY9S NxpQyPwX59qd74Pjfy69kQ1RrisNAhfVPuBwQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.206 with SMTP id k56mr424052wea.86.1245853164345; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090624140846.GB1974@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624140846.GB1974@phenom.cordula.ws> From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:19:04 +0100 Message-ID: To: cpghost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "b. f." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:19:26 -0000 2009/6/24 cpghost : > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:13:49AM -0700, b. f. wrote: >> > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: >> >> >About ed first. I might annoy a few people (which would gladden me in >> >this particular case), but ed was just one of Ken Thompson's nightmares >> >which he managed to reproduce in Unix with great precision. By no >> >stretch of imagination would it qualify as an editor, because an editor >> >can meaningfully edit only what it can first show. And ed has never had >> >anything to show. A modern operating system like FreeBSD should really >> >be kicking ed out of the distribution completely : bad ideas don't have >> >to be necessarily perpetuated just for the sake of compliance with the >> >original concept of Unix. >> >> If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have >> to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a >> (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. > > Please don't touch/remove ed(1)! > > =A0* It's still very useful on non-curses/termcap capable terminals > =A0 =A0like raw serial lines etc. > > =A0* It's also very useful in batch/script mode, as there are some > =A0 =A0multi-line text processing problems that you can't tackle with > =A0 =A0sed(1) alone, and where awk(1) or even perl, python etc.. are > =A0 =A0overkill. > > -cpghost. > I may be mistaken, but isn't ed required for POSIX compliance? Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:22:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3091065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from f.mail.ru.ac.za (f.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA3D8FC16 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=J6FAAUdSNVXCfLQ7+/9vE93+T5XK49sHRqiz7eDjWAp0lsxkTn/qlmoLa58xY5ktqm1qs1kZ4/lVHIKp0OgTAxrN6SJYeARzguYtpVdeMAx+rAaAS2Bi9Mb8g6JgQL96; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:51831) by f.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MJTMh-000C5m-TV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:22:19 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:22:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: f.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:6) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:22:22 -0000 On Wednesday 24 June 2009 12:59:13 Manish Jain wrote: > About ed first. I might annoy a few people (which would gladden me in > this particular case), but ed was just one of Ken Thompson's nightmares > which he managed to reproduce in Unix with great precision. By no > stretch of imagination would it qualify as an editor, because an editor > can meaningfully edit only what it can first show. And ed has never had > anything to show. A modern operating system like FreeBSD should really > be kicking ed out of the distribution completely : bad ideas don't have > to be necessarily perpetuated just for the sake of compliance with the > original concept of Unix. Hold on. I didn't claim it was a *good* editor - I was reacting to your suggestion that /bin didn't contain an editor at all. ed(1)'s interface is certainly minimal, but it's easy enough to list lines in the file you're editing, contrary to what you seem to be saying - to list every line of the file, try the two characters , l. However, if you want a more visual editor, perhaps /usr/bin/ee (which is just over 10K bigger than /bin/ed) would do? You also suggested doing away with ed and /rescue/vi altogether. You may not need statically-linked tools very often, but when you do need them, you *REALLY* need them. Don't suggest throwing them away without thinking through the implications. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:43:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCB6106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f226.google.com (mail-ew0-f226.google.com [209.85.219.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C058FC15 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so311480ewy.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:43:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ucpidqmqObj3WAM67tD8+scyopVRQWpZ9e7yvOShMyM=; b=gqDC0qxehCBi9YsAO+FDyfVCZRMJA6KkIP2cqWvA+UWeK2Mt5VBdGP6RUdJf3WSYz5 b2yCtcbZqYiAqqFK2z9gjtgyZ300597nsvOj4fatcHEiVASGoMECvQqNLnzvPPxrMWZK T3Mv8U6n8/P8rRq497d+OZBk3SKIbPA/In5gs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YTN1cRXTZlb7bDVY5NkyH6Ow0vxYUrg8EPLRPC2IwRagud1PzWTS4UBeagpeH9QNV9 +Q69JVAGaIsZpR673PpLr1BUaND+i4B/GwegqV75/JKZ5hGCNLNhutwSI7hW5QJU0LF7 k6Rhw4yT96QjIy1YxUaIjIYhNHIBKyBsSErEU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.8.213 with SMTP id 63mr412580wer.161.1245854601181; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:43:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:43:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Erik Norgaard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:43:22 -0000 > Point remains: Adding port knocking does not solve any security problem, it only adds > complexity, cost, points of failure, inconvenience etc while making your problem appear > differently and leaving you with the illusion of being more secure. I think that's grossly overstated, if not just plain wrong. Ceteris paribus, a system with port knocking is almost certainly more secure than a system without port knocking. It's not a guarantee against penetration. But even if it's only a heightened "degreee" of security not an additional "kind" of security measure (as you argue), it's still heightened security. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 14:50:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD6B1065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B0B8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00A741C1A67; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:50:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A423D19.4050602@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:50:01 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cpghost References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> <20090624140221.GA1974@phenom.cordula.ws> In-Reply-To: <20090624140221.GA1974@phenom.cordula.ws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:50:04 -0000 cpghost wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:53:15PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > But port knocking can be useful and provide more security *if* you > modify the kocking sequence algorithmically and make it, e.g. a > function of time, source IP/range (and other factors). This could > prevent a whole class of replay-attacks. > > Of course, you can modify the keys/passwords algorithmically and > make them a function of time, source IP etc. as well... ;-) I don't think it's worth wasting time trying to repair a conceptually bad idea, in particular when there are so many alternatives. Whichever way you turn around this idea, it boils down to a shared secret. The security of a shared secret is inversely proportional to the people knowing it, while the trouble of changing it is proportional to the number knowing it. You've already got individual passwords in place. If your knock sequence/shared secret is randomly chosen of say 1 million (any number will do for the example) won't you get better security increasing the entropy of the individual passwords equivalently? > And while we're at it: how about real OPIE? Or combining SSH keys, > OPIE, and port knocking? What is the easier solution: implement port knocking or doubling the length of your ssh keys? Each of the technologies you mention can be tuned for higher security using longer passwords, checking entropy when people choose a new password, more ports in the range of your combination, more knocks etc. I don't get why you wish to combine different technologies rather than tune the well tested and tried already implemented out of the box methods for higher security. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 15:04:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83101065672 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529778FC16 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AF62E363; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:04:22 +0200 From: cpghost To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:04:26 -0000 Hi, is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD right now? Maybe something like what's discussed here? http://www.pdl.cmu.edu/PDL-FTP/Secure/FAST03_abs.html I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, or even if it uses subversion as its backend, as long as it provides some kind of transparent versioning. Anything like that in the works? Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 15:13:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C28A1065673 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D178FC2C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7E6356DE; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:12:59 +0200 From: cpghost To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20090624151259.GA2367@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> <20090624140221.GA1974@phenom.cordula.ws> <4A423D19.4050602@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A423D19.4050602@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:13:02 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 04:50:01PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > cpghost wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:53:15PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > > But port knocking can be useful and provide more security *if* you > > modify the kocking sequence algorithmically and make it, e.g. a > > function of time, source IP/range (and other factors). This could > > prevent a whole class of replay-attacks. > > > > Of course, you can modify the keys/passwords algorithmically and > > make them a function of time, source IP etc. as well... ;-) > > I don't think it's worth wasting time trying to repair a conceptually > bad idea, in particular when there are so many alternatives. > > Whichever way you turn around this idea, it boils down to a shared > secret. The security of a shared secret is inversely proportional to the > people knowing it, while the trouble of changing it is proportional to > the number knowing it. > > You've already got individual passwords in place. If your knock > sequence/shared secret is randomly chosen of say 1 million (any number > will do for the example) won't you get better security increasing the > entropy of the individual passwords equivalently? Agreed. > > And while we're at it: how about real OPIE? Or combining SSH keys, > > OPIE, and port knocking? > > What is the easier solution: implement port knocking or doubling the > length of your ssh keys? It all boils down to this: do you login from a secure machine or not? Each tool has its own set of uses. When I want to log in from a public terminal, I prefer OPIE; when I log in from home, I prefer SSH keys. Port knocking is an interesting technique, but as you pointed out, its only useful on machines with very few accounts. > Each of the technologies you mention can be tuned for higher security > using longer passwords, checking entropy when people choose a new > password, more ports in the range of your combination, more knocks etc. > > I don't get why you wish to combine different technologies rather than > tune the well tested and tried already implemented out of the box > methods for higher security. I totally agree. > BR, Erik > > -- > Erik N?rgaard > Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 15:30:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFE61065679 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5404D8FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielby@slightlystrange.org) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090624153024.ZLIZ5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:24 +0100 Received: from catflap.slightlystrange.org ([82.21.101.171]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090624153024.PNZO22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@catflap.slightlystrange.org> for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:24 +0100 Received: by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix, from userid 106) id 4E14566E4; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from torus.slightlystrange.org (torus.slightlystrange.org [10.1.3.50]) by catflap.slightlystrange.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC19F613A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:21 +0100 (BST) Received: by torus.slightlystrange.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:21 +0100 From: "Daniel Bye" Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:30:21 +0100 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090624153021.GA1513@torus.slightlystrange.org> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4A417C47.1030700@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A417C47.1030700@cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE i386 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ehNlctqhnw0A:10 a=iKLvYv2r7lRFtlfRZpEA:9 a=4rMvDUbQTYBJ8KE0-7sA:7 a=TvNTWA4Z2NPexnJw2T9DT9e17HwA:4 a=D2l9MTAjZeinlbPHoxAA:9 a=lij34VHT48Ac7VN7rxFYZy-kJxsA:4 Cc: Subject: Re: cups&samba jailed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:30:27 -0000 --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:07:19PM -0500, Derek Funk wrote: > Attempting to setup cups and samba into a jail. How do you mount/add=20 > device node /dev/ulpt0 within a jail. > Essentially I would like to know, how to add device nodes within jail=20 > /dev for specifically the devices I want? You need to create some devfs rules, which live in a file called /etc/devfs.rules in the HOST system. As an example to get you going, here is what I use (edited for brevity): [localrules=3D101] add path 'da*' mode 0664 group operator add path 'acd*' mode 0666 group operator add path 'cd*' mode 0666 group operator [hide_all=3D201] add hide [unhide_basic=3D301] add path null unhide add path zero unhide add path crypto unhide add path random unhide add path urandom unhide add path net unhide add path net/lo0 unhide add path net/nfe0 unhide [unhide_login=3D401] add path 'ptyp*' unhide add path 'ptyq*' unhide add path 'ptyr*' unhide =2E..... # Devices usually found in a jail. # [devfsrules_jail=3D501] add include $hide_all add include $unhide_basic add include $unhide_login And then in /etc/rc.conf, you'll need a couple of extra settings: devfs_system_ruleset=3D"localrules" jail_jailname_devfs_ruleset=3D"devfsrules_jail" In your case, you'd want to put the printer device node in either one of the already defined rulesets, or in a new set which you then include in=20 the [devfsrules_jail=3D501] section. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCRo0ACgkQixf5fBYiFmpcsgCdFUYJl+qKSx4MxkpeI2Ljd0ET haYAoLjsBXpIuNRQ73h1cyG7tXLBI9Vd =/x/O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 15:42:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE32106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6828FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5OFgWjp004132 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 58FCD886A4 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C4E886B3 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:06 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:42:06 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F0AC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Isolating high cpu load at function level Thread-Index: Acn04lPHwXO4NXncS2arwP5NbxpV+g== From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2009 15:42:06.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[53E088A0:01C9F4E2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Isolating high cpu load at function level X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:42:54 -0000 Hello, =20 I have a process with several threads - the main "worker" threads typically use < 20% CPU - but after upgrading to a new version they're now using > 90% cpu. I'm trying to determine what function these threads are performing that's requiring so much more cpu. Is it bad code? I bug in a library I linked against? What? =20 I've tried gdb with list, info threads, info stack, bt full. I can make sense of some of it. I guess what I'm hoping for is something like "top" at the thread level, such that functions that thread perform are sorted highest util (time/whatever). =20 TIA for any help! =20 Gary =20
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 15:45:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E92106566C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrkvrg@acm.org) Received: from xena.bway.net (xena.bway.net [216.220.96.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040EC8FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mrkvrg@acm.org) Received: (qmail 77023 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2009 15:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gecko3.bs.net) (216.220.115.148) by smtp.bway.net with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 15:19:10 -0000 From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:19:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-STABLE; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906241119.09827.mrkvrg@acm.org> Cc: RW Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:45:51 -0000 On Monday, 22 June 2009 16:48:02 RW wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 > > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > > I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using > > ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten > > about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it > > was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or > > two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been > > down to an individual ports. > > You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the > issues automatically, but not all. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello, Here is a perl hack I use to automatically read and parse UPDATING as part of my daily upgrade routine. It is part of a larger set of five scripts which use: 1. "csup" to update ports 2. "make index" to update the /usr/ports/INDEX 3. "pkg_version" to identify the ports that need upgrading 4. "portfetch" to download the tarballs 5. a script to display the relevant contents, if any, of UPDATING using the hack shown below and the contents identified in step 3 above. These five scripts are combined in a master script (csup-all) which I invoke the first thing in the morning. After doing some other morning chores I then run "portconfig -a -v" to set up any configuration settings prior to running "portmaster -a -u". Everything is automatic except for the configuration. Here is the perl hack. It can be improved by comparing the ports that need to be updated (step 3) with the ports specified within UPDATING (step 5). The embedded ansi codes will work with the default FreeBSD console settings, otherwise they can be removed. #!/usr/bin/perl # # file: csup-update.pl # # created: 2006-07-16 # # purpose: To review update notes in /usr/ports/UPDATING # This program will only display those notes issued # since last csup # # algorithm: Each line of the file /usr/ports/UPDATING is scanned and if # it finds a date in the form ^yyyymmdd$ the date is assigned # to the variable $date. Otherwise all non-date lines are printed # to STDOUT. As soon as this program finds a date older than the # last update this program quits and prints an appropriate closing # message. # unless ( open ( MYFILE, "/usr/ports/UPDATING" ) ) { die ("Cannot open input file /usr/ports/UPDATING.\n") ; } unless ( open ( LASTUPDATE, "/root/bin/csup-lastupdate.txt" ) ) { die ("Cannot open file csup-lastupdate.txt.\n") ; } $eof = '' ; $date = $lastupdate = ; $line = ; $count = 0 ; while ( $line ne $eof ) { if ( $line =~ /^2\d{7}/ ) { $date = $line ; $date =~ tr/://d ; $count++ ; } if ( ( $date - $lastupdate ) >= 0 ) { if ( $line =~ /^2\d{7}/ ) { print ("^[[32m$line^[[0m") ; } else { print ("^[[0m$line") ; } $line = ; $date = $lastupdate ; } else { $count-- ; if ( $count == 0 ) { print ( "^[[36mThere are no updates to review. ") ; } elsif ( $count == 1 ) { print ( "^[[36mThere is only one update to review. ") ; } else { print ( "^[[36mThere are $count updates to review. ") ; } chop ( $lastupdate ) ; print ( "The last run of csup was on $lastupdate.^[[0m\n\n" ) ; exit ; } } # EoF From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 16:08:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92EF106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-314.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-314.bluehost.com [67.222.54.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 863CB8FC25 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 19968 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2009 16:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 16:08:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=LVKHn0u5Bh4LFOMRAmwWUgUzv6R3dBlF/+E23asp6cOGIwv0yBDCvbZ11m99tGiiSFCR85YYwFfipL3gt0IGU6HcL/x0lPpMM1jCmUUqc126zJfC2r1Srm9eTx661QSB; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJV18-0001F3-2V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:08:10 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:02:19 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:02:19 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624155736.GC84350@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> <200906241622.19708.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0H629O+sVkh21xTi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906241622.19708.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:08:18 -0000 --0H629O+sVkh21xTi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 04:22:19PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >=20 > You also suggested doing away with ed and /rescue/vi altogether. You may = not=20 > need statically-linked tools very often, but when you do need them, you= =20 > *REALLY* need them. Don't suggest throwing them away without thinking thr= ough=20 > the implications. I think the intent was to do away with /bin/ed and /rescue/vi in favor of /bin/vi -- not to do away with /bin/ed and /rescue/vi and replace them with nothing. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Kay: "I invented the term 'Object-Oriented', and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind." --0H629O+sVkh21xTi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCTgsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWRiQCfTJjZuiL7CcqA+1Uw5JPMHhlC XLUAoOWzzj2+XhdtamFzOEGN01zJfB9F =pFi3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0H629O+sVkh21xTi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 16:16:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39991065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com [69.89.20.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5AA78FC18 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 3122 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2009 16:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2009 16:16:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=kKW+D0xNyq77sw+UAZ72+Wx+NsSY+RJ/edPpVZhCIzKUQCe1j9N2zQgClyElb22s0FChoLn0Prsr+V0E2aU13IgYOsWA2Z+ECHPOb5mTGVKWIUEBAk4KPGzD486yF3Av; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJV9E-0000Ju-Tn for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:16:33 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:10:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:10:41 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20090624161041.GD84350@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:16:34 -0000 --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:13:49AM -0700, b. f. wrote: > > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: >=20 > >That's the whole problem of /rescue/vi. When you suddenly find yourself > >in single-user mode, the last thing you want to do is realise that > >tweaking is needed for something which should work normally just when > >you need it, and quickly too. >=20 > Yes. But there have been some recent changes: >=20 > http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194628 >=20 > that suggest that this problem is being addressed. That's definitely good news. There isn't much point in putting something in /rescue that won't work when other filesystems won't mount. >=20 > >But why are we talking about a few hundred > >kilos for such a basic utility as vi in times when everyone has hundreds > >of GB's on the disk, and the / partition itself is 512 MB by default. > >The BSD concept of having vi under /usr originated when resources were > >less by a factor of thousands (<=3D (100 MB disks), <=3D (8 MB physical = RAM) > >and so on). When we are well past those kind of constraints, the concept > >needs an rethink. >=20 > No, we're not. A lot of people are still using old hardware, or > embedded hardware, where efficiency in space and computational effort > are still important, and will remain so for a while. Please don't > encourage bloat. I sympathize with the desire to keep "bloat" down for the minimal default case. Embedded systems were the first examples that came to mind for cases where having vi in /bin might not be ideal. On the other hand, I don't see any reason to refuse to offer an optional install of /bin/vi for those who prefer it and don't want to have to brute-force "install" it by manually copying it, thus eliminating relatively simple and easy upgrades when security concerns demand it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: "[B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others." --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCUAEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWeKwCdHf1MmOjmI4LlVWkmMUO37Isd /MkAn2d+l+Y3lMi6Ugj69ishoTrvsF3X =b+DR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 16:38:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7821065745 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4304D8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5OGbtO0063554; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 32BD1BA9E; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:55 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: cpghost Message-ID: <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:38:06 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > Hi, >=20 > is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD > right now? > I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, > or even if it uses subversion as its backend, as long as it > provides some kind of transparent versioning. You could try devel/git? It's not a file system, but a very efficient directory content tracker/version control system. One of the things I use it for is to keep a certain directory in sync between a desktop and a laptop. It works equally well with text or binary files. Or maybe http://www.nongnu.org/libsqlfs/ will do what you want? Haven't tried that, though. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCVmMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXNoQCghgc5AxYgOAhJnku7Mm6f6RUL W+kAnA6q2er6YjBdEyQJJf2+fC/QDQx+ =xqFn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 16:45:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306571065672 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FD08FC18 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so840592bwz.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S8XTjwMt0YXp/esniU1zN6MPtf4iN2ptUZ5gUBBm3vA=; b=Q7ULE1yh7MSjaEme69gDWg+himbxvhCQhMXgnRdV9CkIVOUV0Tqct0WTABdz3LwOqn 9dEfROmE1Q66XVGabGbmUqa7uiikwQswJo2Uv80SB0CmwwpgyCw+1ZrcvU4A0GC31Js2 Nv/zpYy7CYP4QPf1+mNusVgqxmbAP/PdnyWs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=dqnltCiZ1K2dcPVR2zt5T0LnsrKwnVG9dmky8nh4DcbCMIJRDewNpHyVbiQZ3IHhmE YqlyBYXPgXB2E0uZ5pJzlAHlu7moQQusGToDRDjQnKvB3LdAZ6wCUYeUuJgG4ttPFKSP xfre4VpC2A+sZZUcoMtqRW0AunViP90bblHwc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.10 with SMTP id a10mr1407785fas.17.1245860705918; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: <85a117790906240925i4218845bna9121a0e2dc5aa0e@mail.gmail.com> From: cblasius@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: error when install plplot - lasi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:45:32 -0000 Hello, I see this error on two machines i386 and amd64 on FreeBSD-7.2-RELEASE Is this error also present to you? # portmaster /usr/ports/math/plplot ... [ 77%] Built target example0 [ 88%] Built target example1 [100%] Built target example2 Installing the project stripped... -- Install configuration: "" -- Installing: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/lasi.pc -- Installing: /usr/local/include/LASi.h -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html/classLASi_ 1_1setFont-members.html -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html/classLASi_ 1_1PostscriptDocument_1_1GlyphId-members.html -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html/tab_l.gif -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html/classLASi_ 1_1PostscriptDocument-members.html -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/doc/libLASi-1.1.0/html/user/html/classLASi_ 1_1oPostscriptStream.html -- Installing: 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/usr/local/lib/libLASi.so.0 -- Installing: /usr/local/lib/libLASi.so -- Set runtime path of "/usr/local/lib/libLASi.so.0.0.1" to "/usr/local/lib:/usr /local/lib" -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/MissingGlyphExample.cpp -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/SimpleLASiExample.cpp -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/ComplexTextLayoutExample.cpp -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/README -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/Example_1_Result.png -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/Example_2_Result.png -- Installing: /usr/local/share/lasi/examples/Makefile /bin/mv /usr/local/lib/libLASi.so.0.0.1 /usr/local/lib/libLASi.so.0 /bin/mv /usr/local/share/lasi/examples /usr/local/share/examples/lasi /bin/rmdir /usr/local/share/lasi rmdir: /usr/local/share/lasi: Directory not empty *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/lasi. ===>>> Installation of lasi-1.1.0 (devel/lasi) failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for /usr/ports/devel/lasi failed ===>>> Aborting update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 16:49:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4EB106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from smtp2.beanfield.net (smtp2.beanfield.net [206.223.173.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53548FC20 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from brent.local ([66.207.193.249]) by smtp2.beanfield.net (8.13.4/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n5OGjXqB078779 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:45:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Message-ID: <4A425918.4060404@beanfield.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:49:28 -0400 From: Brent Bloxam Organization: Beanfield Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <4B45B6F6-007E-4DDC-994F-1369FEAEBA7D@boosten.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ~/.ssh directory permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:49:33 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > > Although I think it's not a big deal, as long as your id_?sa has > permissions 600 like mine, or even 400. > > Chris > The man page for ssh(1) provides a lot of detail about the sensitivity of the various files related to ssh. To quote it regarding a few of them: > ~/.ssh/ > This directory is the default location for all user-specific configuration and authentication information. There is no > general requirement to keep the entire contents of this directory secret, but the recommended permissions are > read/write/execute for the user, and not accessible by others. So as you can see, 700 is recommended (but not necessary). > ~/.ssh/identity > ~/.ssh/id_dsa > ~/.ssh/id_rsa > Contains the private key for authentication. These files contain sensitive data and should be readable by the user but not > accessible by others (read/write/execute). ssh will simply ignore a private key file if it is accessible by others. It is > possible to specify a passphrase when generating the key which will be used to encrypt the sensitive part of this file > using 3DES. However, identity, id_dsa and id_rsa _must_ be 700 at a maximum. It's best to follow the recommendations from the man page unless you have very specific reasons for needing more lax permissions on these files. Regards, Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 17:26:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011C8106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799518FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so111340ewy.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:26:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=um8E1Jsmz2O9zQt2MWsQ1bfED+Luswytl0RhTer22lo=; b=CZzt9Cx5Ow1PwS/i5fvcz7E6PxTel+Vvj8uD9QL4qpYCtf7Eq8O7Wj+pvSrCLag15B krWi8XWXc+sz9xzgernI49U7IjNqx6wzcyb5IsVizopfsyZV7/KtY7kn9H2sKYmvR0WR dL1Zuu8r6HyWqTEGmaJGb3o9wEQ3ibGA1Tugg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hKgACdG3Z3jFqoBDsHIEEdH2aFbDDg+K09v5wL2NDCOrIE5iHGUIFW0SnNvikLr+L5 i0wIhhwqXeOtuvtJmtug/RzmnTfUDm+2T3WXwkMRGgVB81Ykz3MBaXA46TZJLNHGIdwH +v5PJ51/vtIZIrmpXafAZBlTXqUrxzkrDKXEw= Received: by 10.211.177.16 with SMTP id e16mr1666047ebp.86.1245864416864; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm321959eyg.2.2009.06.24.10.26.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:26:43 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624182643.33329399@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090624151259.GA2367@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4A406D81.3010803@locolomo.org> <4A4109DE.3050000@locolomo.org> <4A413CF8.60901@locolomo.org> <20090624143613.6a87a749@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A422FCB.2050900@locolomo.org> <20090624140221.GA1974@phenom.cordula.ws> <4A423D19.4050602@locolomo.org> <20090624151259.GA2367@phenom.cordula.ws> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:26:59 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:12:59 +0200 cpghost wrote: > It all boils down to this: do you login from a secure machine > or not? Each tool has its own set of uses. When I want to log in > from a public terminal, I prefer OPIE; OPIE is probably fine in almost all cases, but you may wish to read the following thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.security.general/9272 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 17:59:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0211065687 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F0D8FC1E for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD463502A; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:59:18 +0200 From: cpghost To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:59:22 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:37:55PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > > Hi, > > > > is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD > > right now? > > > I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, > > or even if it uses subversion as its backend, as long as it > > provides some kind of transparent versioning. > > You could try devel/git? It's not a file system, but a very efficient > directory content tracker/version control system. One of the things I > use it for is to keep a certain directory in sync between a desktop and > a laptop. It works equally well with text or binary files. Yes, that's one possibility. But just like Subversion (which I'm using extensively here), it's not really transparent. > Or maybe http://www.nongnu.org/libsqlfs/ will do what you want? Haven't > tried that, though. But does it really support versioning? I was actually thinking of a real versioning file system, with an extended POSIX API (yet to be defined), to access all revisions of a file system, just like with Subversion revisions. As an example: opendir(2) would grow an additional and optional argument "revision" to select either HEAD or some revision of the directory: DIR *dirp; dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir", 0); /* open /path/to/file at HEAD */ dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir"); /* same as above, POSIX compat */ dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir", 323); /* open dir at revision 323 */ /* From here on, readdir() would retrieve /path/to/dir entries at the specified revision. */ open(2) could open a file at an earlier revision: FILE *filep; /* open file in HEAD */ filep = open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY); /* open same path, but at revision 323 */ filep = open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY, /* 0666 */, 323); unlink(2) would remove an entry from a directory, and bump the revision of the directory. Accessing that path from the new revision wouldn't be possible, but the file would still be there in an earlier revision. Modifying a file would also create new revisions (e.g. at each write(2), or at each close(2), that should be selectable). Of course, there would be additional API calls to traverse the list of revisions, to access meta data (properties?, tags?, commit logs?, ...) etc., so that the file system remains manageable. I didn't try them (yet), but on Linux, there are some experimental versioning file systems like: http://www.ext3cow.com/Welcome.html http://tux3.org/ and there's a (unmaintained?) FUSE file system at: http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ all of which differ in the way POSIX API should be extended and the semantics for versioning. But there's apparently nothing yet in the works for FreeBSD. Perhaps some layer on top of existing file systems, or an extension of UFS/FFS that stores versioning meta data directly at the block level? > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 18:06:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B2A1065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8AC8FC16 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CD82E363; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:06:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:06:16 +0200 From: cpghost To: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624180616.GB2948@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:06:19 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:59:18PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > open(2) could open a file at an earlier revision: > > FILE *filep; s/FILE */int /; -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 18:37:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06AB1065674 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from forrie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AC58FC1C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from forrie@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so174678ewy.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-stationery:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=grPDf3wjBH1jhDP+8advWbnzNGI99Sl26gqhxTCUXWM=; b=f/FXGbsCz0gA2mpDtO4clrjQTWkBbvbW6JxOIRCIrevKCjdEFnTxSYVXbfSp2K/LZb ajpxr+2c65kOPFrIWwneKNXw6h06kKqHwcsI9EWmN41Qj6R2gmIEDz91PhpMEE0HsTkw c4ApoFtCbBxhzZitW/XcjpQEFXuywTj/+kAOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-stationery:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=recuw+1QRmxTr/fbn8HZ6koTILeM421BJQVP683S1ug3NOPQb7p5YDZU/FSSJA7ijL ThJb9w4KuyRy8+CxPltNFZHJ6rR9E7TXO4d019U/B0MG3xNjqwvsdG+bO6jt/uxp+evR UC3Xmvf8IEBBf0lK9KBMZ3tcD4PP6w39cdlNA= Received: by 10.210.134.6 with SMTP id h6mr1741350ebd.35.1245867225263; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-103-0-46.de-dhcp.harvard.edu (1story-vpn-gw.dce.harvard.edu [140.247.198.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm270948eyd.38.2009.06.24.11.13.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A426CD5.8070000@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:13:41 -0400 From: Forrest Aldrich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22pre (Macintosh/20090603) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Stationery: 0.4.8.12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 7.2 system stuck trying at boot, trying to mount root device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:37:13 -0000 I'm running a modest PC that has FreeBSD-7.2 installed (fairly current build from CVS). Today, I did a "shutdown -r" to reboot the system. When it returned, the console is reporting: "Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a" I've gone through and restored the boot loader, this works fine (it's back to F1 or F2) -- it continues to do this. I also did a proper mount, fsck, and umount under the LiveFS shell, which made no difference. Then I tried a modest binary "upgrade" just in case. No luck. After Googling around, and not finding much more info than what I did, I figured I would ask here. If I have to, I can ship off the data to another system (after I rebuild) and try to bring all it's functions back (but it's a lot, cyrus, etc). The other messages I see on the console include GEOM output: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4s1a is ufsid/blahblah then GEOM_LABEL: Label for ufsid/blahblah removed. Anyone know how I can rescue this? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 18:48:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CB61065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997D78FC0C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7p0t1c0070lTkoCA6uo4gp; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:04 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7uo21c0011f6R9u8Quo2CZ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:03 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:48:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:48:00 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624184800.GD15815@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:48:03 -0000 On Wed 24 Jun 2009 at 02:32:24 PDT freebsd@t41t.com wrote: > >The lifetime and reliability of SSDs are less-than-or-equal-to the >lifetime and reliability of spinning magnetic drives, so don't buy an SSD >for that. Whether SSDs use less power is an open question. There's a lot >of data going either way. The last comparison I saw suggested spinning >drives average less power than their SSD counterparts. In any event, it's >not clear-cut yet. SSDs probably do generate less heat (but I've not seen >data on that). Of course, the access time on an SSD is order(s) of >magnitude less than for a spinning drive, and that's cause enough for >lots of people to buy one. SSD's are/should also be favored in devices that are prone to mechanical shocks. E.g., tablet PC's, and handheld devices like cellphones, music players or game players. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 18:57:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242E0106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86DE8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-9-19.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.9.19]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F643D2C1; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:57:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5OIvRe1001833; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:57:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:57:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Forrest Aldrich Message-Id: <20090624205727.b4d5595f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A426CD5.8070000@gmail.com> References: <4A426CD5.8070000@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 system stuck trying at boot, trying to mount root device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:57:35 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:13:41 -0400, Forrest Aldrich wrote: > I also did a proper mount, fsck, and umount under the LiveFS shell, > which made no difference. I hope I'm just reading it in the wrong order. The correct order is to 1st fsck, then mount, not vice versa. Never fsck a mounted file system. > The other messages I see on the console include GEOM output: > > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4s1a is ufsid/blahblah > > then > > GEOM_LABEL: Label for ufsid/blahblah removed. This is completely normal today. As long as a file system is not mounted, the label is provided. When it gets mounted, this label is being removed. You see this on your console. > Anyone know how I can rescue this? Does /var/log/messages show something strange looking? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 19:11:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DAA1065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495D68FC16 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5OJBPba093375; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:11:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9EE95BAA7; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:11:25 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: cpghost Message-ID: <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:11:35 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 07:59:18PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 06:37:55PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:04:22PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD > > > right now? > >=20 > > > I don't care if it is native or a layer, geom-ified, fuse-based, > > > or even if it uses subversion as its backend, as long as it > > > provides some kind of transparent versioning. > >=20 > > You could try devel/git? It's not a file system, but a very efficient > > directory content tracker/version control system. One of the things I > > use it for is to keep a certain directory in sync between a desktop and > > a laptop. It works equally well with text or binary files. >=20 > Yes, that's one possibility. But just like Subversion (which I'm > using extensively here), it's not really transparent. What is? If you have to extend the API like you propose below, all programs that want to use that feature have to be changed. So if you're going around changing your program, why not have it interface to an existing revision control that you are already familiar with? That seems a lot easier that tacking revision control onto a filesystem! Git is very good at efficiently storing the differences between commits. And every copy of a directory under git control is a full-blown repository, so you can experiment with a copy without fear of fouling up your precious repository. > I was actually thinking of a real versioning file system, with an > extended POSIX API (yet to be defined), to access all revisions of > a file system, just like with Subversion revisions. >=20 > As an example: opendir(2) would grow an additional and optional > argument "revision" to select either HEAD or some revision of the > directory: >=20 > DIR *dirp; > dirp =3D opendir("/path/to/dir", 0); /* open /path/to/file at HEAD */ > dirp =3D opendir("/path/to/dir"); /* same as above, POSIX compat */ > dirp =3D opendir("/path/to/dir", 323); /* open dir at revision 323 */ >=20 > /* From here on, readdir() would retrieve /path/to/dir entries > at the specified revision. */ >=20 > open(2) could open a file at an earlier revision: >=20 > FILE *filep; >=20 > /* open file in HEAD */ > filep =3D open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY); >=20 > /* open same path, but at revision 323 */ > filep =3D open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY, /* 0666 */, 323); There is some ambiguity here. Does 323 refer to a single file, or to the state of its parent directory? If changing a file doesn't update the version of its parent directory, then why have version numbers for directories? On the other hand, if changing a file updates the revision for the file and its parent directory, the revision for the root directory will increase quite rapidly! > unlink(2) would remove an entry from a directory, and bump the revision > of the directory. Accessing that path from the new revision wouldn't be > possible, but the file would still be there in an earlier revision. >=20 > Modifying a file would also create new revisions (e.g. at each > write(2), or at each close(2), that should be selectable). I don't know what you want to do use this for, but a simple trick (used e.g. by Pro/Engineer) is to have your application append a version number after the filename (e.g. "foo.prt.1") that is incremented every time the file is saved. This does waste some disk space (or provides redundancy, take your pick). =20 > Of course, there would be additional API calls to traverse the > list of revisions, to access meta data (properties?, tags?, > commit logs?, ...) etc., so that the file system remains manageable. VMS had a filesystem that uses versioning: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi= les-11] > I didn't try them (yet), but on Linux, there are some experimental > versioning file systems like: > http://www.ext3cow.com/Welcome.html > http://tux3.org/ >=20 > and there's a (unmaintained?) FUSE file system at: > http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ >=20 > all of which differ in the way POSIX API should be extended and > the semantics for versioning. But there's apparently nothing yet > in the works for FreeBSD. Perhaps some layer on top of existing > file systems, or an extension of UFS/FFS that stores versioning > meta data directly at the block level? >=20 > > Roland >=20 > -cpghost. >=20 --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCel0ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVtXQCggOD6s7POaFZSVxTRnHgzL/kO uJoAoI5xsIZlsv3tr4kOEfmBX/vMJwYo =u6gA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 19:34:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC889106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0AF8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:34:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-9-19.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.9.19]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93393DB7E; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5OJYeLk001968; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:34:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:34:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Roland Smith Message-Id: <20090624213440.bafbee6e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:34:48 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:11:25 +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > VMS had a filesystem that uses versioning: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files-11] That's the first thing that came into my mind when reading this message. See LOGIN.COM;1 and then rm -rf /*.*;* :-) But it's not "had", it's "has", because VMS and its file system does still exist. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 20:20:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273851065675 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98018FC0A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5OKKqxm033354 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:20:49 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624202048.GA27646@thought.org> References: <20090622230729.GA20167@thought.org> <20090623201041.GA23561@thought.org> <20090623205944.GA43982@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20090624010922.GA24335@thought.org> <20090624093223.GF3468@ece.pdx.edu> <20090624184800.GD15815@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624184800.GD15815@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Subject: Re: you're not going to believe this. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:20:54 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:48:00AM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Wed 24 Jun 2009 at 02:32:24 PDT freebsd@t41t.com wrote: > > > >The lifetime and reliability of SSDs are less-than-or-equal-to the > >lifetime and reliability of spinning magnetic drives, so don't buy an SSD > >for that. Whether SSDs use less power is an open question. There's a lot > >of data going either way. The last comparison I saw suggested spinning > >drives average less power than their SSD counterparts. In any event, it's > >not clear-cut yet. SSDs probably do generate less heat (but I've not seen > >data on that). Of course, the access time on an SSD is order(s) of > >magnitude less than for a spinning drive, and that's cause enough for > >lots of people to buy one. > > SSD's are/should also be favored in devices that are prone to mechanical > shocks. E.g., tablet PC's, and handheld devices like cellphones, music > players or game players. Interesting details. I was a hardware logic major, not software, but I got shunted into software and went withthe flow. To all the comments, pro/con, it looks that my earlier projection was right. It will indeed be awhile before there are reliable solid-state devs that can replace the spinning disk. And even then, cross-backups and even having a tape backup of critical data is a must. That said, I still want to buy one of these sub-mini notebooks this summer. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 20:38:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E91106567E for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lysergius2001@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1334E8FC1E for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lysergius2001@gmail.com) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so979066fxm.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=tskew+EsYXac0O7gebbm4VScRcERecqeda2/C0LrphU=; b=sF7hkKAlRRwg+7QBqbFkuwt3pGDnfJD0aAtjUBNmfgL2CjhWlRVxU0YsnTk4IUfzz7 4x4UmS8xU/T1JkNnUw5F96tRZWw0J0e60zfb7WNcrrS3ckIT2N2G95e7t61KpkL1oFkT MdR+eJfzhmZZNlFwkr8mLJgmeLQrUUWOBRs8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cL7K+2H6uSZV1ie8t+I4/b89l6EhWpqL2nXtRrTXalGpRFFdyZUrl9UQmZqzP3bhr3 o6KbSM6MbOijSmTGC+10tVvIvCCx8nviVxYl+Z4uO/Ke1WvDI2gHI04WUIWWzoEg3Je/ KJQusaVfZ72ryxm4RqjQi0B6DCvvXXmcVudmY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.167.10 with SMTP id d10mr123802hbe.118.1245874353929; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:12:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: lysergius2001 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: panic ohci_add_done X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:38:59 -0000 Hi, Could use some pointers here. I have an AMD64 system Gigabyte GA-MA770 motherboard, 4 GB RAM, Athlon 64 CPU. System won't boot. Flags error, panic ohci_add_done : addr 0x... not found Then it reboots. Tried disabling everything in the bios. (Including usb kbd and mouse) At wit's end... Never seen anything like it. Bo clue where to start. Help please. -- Lysergius says "Stay light and trust gravity" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 21:03:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A771065675 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naeem_jarral@yahoo.com) Received: from web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DBCE8FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naeem_jarral@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9883 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2009 20:37:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1245875820; bh=LDPBlbbVuUAgQczE3kdsmgpXJEZvVYhx3HEd9Tdm/cg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fwpf313VxAbsMfAJ7Rzznsloe0CLdlqJO4RlRRLHhT/La1F+t4UjtW7WKj2XDC4Ee6QNaQxtogPdWtOJ6ZIpRSVws2PtQD+F9DLYAaG85biwSQDDMZuKKBfx41t7AUL0AIDqYZcPXEze0YqUSvQcA9g5lK32YZXwS0ANezrKLlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WlVKgnYGHW0wWIFMhOdq0v+Tg9mCEqpJ43hN/K6AflqLHG1VtEQtsl17PrME8x/eTM86myDx06OqP+E8iJ7s83puylLyExDYoBDPYmgk7dVkA3wNwnIin2Tcm62381Hr7epTBc2RxGfeSw3hVbwhiAt5uf/twdnn1W3xXmT/CJI=; Message-ID: <152120.9119.qm@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RMkW9jsVM1mx3lcZPeb.4kr26xsXYmxg6fKZW_EP_US6plbZzsvyILqZ12.gWWq4CfWKbktjPLazhvNSKO074Zg.ZVt1bNdGYluZqXMJHivLaaA4J8SBH_2.KvqtC6mY7MYwuDqWadelQmDIAPghimntIUM_6e90zP5aMVnmLpysvE.M9tMyXUF14yysLs4.FynVQa8PLwlmMDRp5K629PLLvNxkWjWbyRo9TmklA0nJsYXhmFy4KakDVoOE1TZGG3tL0rdI2kwaqOImrx6sU7W_tyYldyOSGvxX43f5IXr86PsH9EXtBmaORYUsmfjuF4xZkfR5_sTjFMKnSCn70wHkYz5zp8pmk7ZDL5rr6w-- Received: from [134.134.139.72] by web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:37:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Naeem Afzal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: echo in sh calls write function repeatedly in kernel driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:03:42 -0000 I used this sample echo driver listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/driverbasics-char.html and used Example 9-2 for 5.X FreeBSD. Modifed and added a printline in write function to display Count value: I am using 7.1 FreeBSD version. I compiled the driver and ran the echo command, I see that driver's write function is being called 11 times if I use sh shell? Why is that? If I use bash, then write function is only called once which seems to be correct. Why sh buildin echo is send 11 writes? Any idea? thanks & regards naeem # echo "1234" > /dev/echo Opened device "echo" successfully. Count value: 0 Count value: 1 Count value: 2 Count value: 3 Count value: 4 Count value: 5 Count value: 6 Count value: 7 Count value: 8 Count value: 9 Count value: 10 Closing device "echo." # cat /dev/echo Opened device "echo" successfully. 1234 Closing device "echo." ===== Driver's write function is defined as: static int echo_write(struct cdev *dev, struct uio *uio, int ioflag) { int err = 0; uprintf("Count value: %d\n",count); /* Copy the string in from user memory to kernel memory */ err = copyin(uio->uio_iov->iov_base, echomsg->msg, MIN(uio->uio_iov->iov_len, BUFFERSIZE - 1)); /* Now we need to null terminate, then record the length */ *(echomsg->msg + MIN(uio->uio_iov->iov_len, BUFFERSIZE - 1)) = 0; echomsg->len = MIN(uio->uio_iov->iov_len, BUFFERSIZE); if (err != 0) { uprintf("Write failed: bad address!\n"); } count++; return(err); } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 21:53:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38A1065758 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgb@bylyd.org) Received: from bylyd.org (buhlrasmussen.eu [82.103.140.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9A678FC1D for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgb@bylyd.org) Received: (qmail 41306 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Jun 2009 21:26:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:26:50 +0200 From: Morten Grunnet Buhl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624212650.GA41009@smtp.bylyd.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> X-URL: http://gro.bylyd.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:53:36 -0000 * cpghost [2009-06-24 17:04 +0200]: > Hi, > > is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD > right now? - I don't know how fare along hammerfs is in being ported to FreeBSD. But from what I have heard, feature-wise, it might be something that meets your needs. An alternative could be ZFS with its snapshot ability. -- I have no signature! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 21:57:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B0A1065688 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E054D8FC15 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04165356B8; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:57:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:57:34 +0200 From: cpghost To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:57:40 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:11:25PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > > Yes, that's one possibility. But just like Subversion (which I'm > > using extensively here), it's not really transparent. > > What is? If you have to extend the API like you propose below, all > programs that want to use that feature have to be changed. So if you're > going around changing your program, why not have it interface to an existing > revision control that you are already familiar with? That seems a lot > easier that tacking revision control onto a filesystem! Yep, you're right. I thought about a way to extend the API in a backwards compatible way, but that's not as easy or straight forward as it seems. In fact, it opens a whole can of worms. If the versioned file system isn't also POSIX compatible (where everything happens in HEAD unless specified otherwise), it's practically useless. > Git is very good at efficiently storing the differences between > commits. And every copy of a directory under git control is a full-blown > repository, so you can experiment with a copy without fear of fouling up > your precious repository. That's true as well. I'm not very familiar with git (as opposed to subversion), but I clearly see its advantages. > > I was actually thinking of a real versioning file system, with an > > extended POSIX API (yet to be defined), to access all revisions of > > a file system, just like with Subversion revisions. > > > > As an example: opendir(2) would grow an additional and optional > > argument "revision" to select either HEAD or some revision of the > > directory: > > > > DIR *dirp; > > dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir", 0); /* open /path/to/file at HEAD */ > > dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir"); /* same as above, POSIX compat */ > > dirp = opendir("/path/to/dir", 323); /* open dir at revision 323 */ > > > > /* From here on, readdir() would retrieve /path/to/dir entries > > at the specified revision. */ > > > > open(2) could open a file at an earlier revision: > > > > FILE *filep; > > > > /* open file in HEAD */ > > filep = open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY); > > > > /* open same path, but at revision 323 */ > > filep = open("/path/to/file", O_RDONLY, /* 0666 */, 323); > > There is some ambiguity here. Does 323 refer to a single file, or to the > state of its parent directory? If changing a file doesn't update the > version of its parent directory, then why have version numbers for > directories? On the other hand, if changing a file updates the revision > for the file and its parent directory, the revision for the root > directory will increase quite rapidly! Quite true! I see even more ambiguity here: What about a versioned file pointed to by hard links from two versioned directories? And even if the semantics were absolutely sound (can they be?), all this meta data really needs to happen on a block level, e.g. how described in that paper. > > unlink(2) would remove an entry from a directory, and bump the revision > > of the directory. Accessing that path from the new revision wouldn't be > > possible, but the file would still be there in an earlier revision. > > > > Modifying a file would also create new revisions (e.g. at each > > write(2), or at each close(2), that should be selectable). > > I don't know what you want to do use this for, but a simple trick (used > e.g. by Pro/Engineer) is to have your application append a version > number after the filename (e.g. "foo.prt.1") that is incremented every > time the file is saved. This does waste some disk space (or provides > redundancy, take your pick). Yes, that's always possible. But that would defeat transparency. And there's another problem here: what if two processes concurrently save (commit?) the same file, and there's a merging conflict? > > Of course, there would be additional API calls to traverse the > > list of revisions, to access meta data (properties?, tags?, > > commit logs?, ...) etc., so that the file system remains manageable. > > VMS had a filesystem that uses versioning: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files-11] I was thinking about this before starting this thread. But file versioning (as opposed to full versioning that also includes directory versioning) is probably relatively easy to implement. At least, its semantics are unambiguous. > > I didn't try them (yet), but on Linux, there are some experimental > > versioning file systems like: > > http://www.ext3cow.com/Welcome.html > > http://tux3.org/ > > > > and there's a (unmaintained?) FUSE file system at: > > http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ > > > > all of which differ in the way POSIX API should be extended and > > the semantics for versioning. But there's apparently nothing yet > > in the works for FreeBSD. Perhaps some layer on top of existing > > file systems, or an extension of UFS/FFS that stores versioning > > meta data directly at the block level? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 22:05:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C961065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE898FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:05:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B16356B8; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:05:34 +0200 From: cpghost To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090624220534.GB3720@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624212650.GA41009@smtp.bylyd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624212650.GA41009@smtp.bylyd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:05:37 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:26:50PM +0200, Morten Grunnet Buhl wrote: > * cpghost [2009-06-24 17:04 +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > is there anybody working on a versioning file system for FreeBSD > > right now? > > - I don't know how fare along hammerfs is in being ported to FreeBSD. > But from what I have heard, feature-wise, it might be something that > meets your needs. Ah, yes, that's interesting too. I'll investigate it. Thanks for the hint! > An alternative could be ZFS with its snapshot ability. IMHO, ZFS snapshots are a little bit too coarse versioning for what I have in mind. I'm seeking something more precise. Not entirely a subversion-on-filesystem replacement, but rather close, if possible. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 22:33:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69914106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2434F8FC0A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-9-19.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.9.19]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6563E079; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:33:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5OMXNgn004600; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:33:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:33:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: cpghost Message-Id: <20090625003323.cd7021a3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:33:31 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:57:34 +0200, cpghost wrote: > Yep, you're right. I thought about a way to extend the API in a > backwards compatible way, but that's not as easy or straight > forward as it seems. In fact, it opens a whole can of worms. > > If the versioned file system isn't also POSIX compatible (where > everything happens in HEAD unless specified otherwise), it's > practically useless. The question is: Do you want to take versioning support into the file system intendedly? FreeBSD keeps most things on a per-file basis (ordinary files, devices, processes etc.). Versioning can always be added as a separate solution (using versioning systems as separate programs) that does not make any assumptions on the file system used. As you concluded, the file system's complexity would of course grow with those requirements. In addition to your arguments, just imagine how a fsck for such a file system would have to be implemented... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 23:34:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E92E1065670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F268FC13 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from gluon.draftnet (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 516168AC9; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:18:24 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: "b. f." Message-ID: <20090625001824.1d580de8@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: invalid.pointer@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:34:51 -0000 On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:13:49 -0700 "b. f." wrote: > ??? Who is giving them that credit? This isn't new. You already have > some control over swapping via several oids: > > vm.swap_enabled > vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts > vm.defer_swapspace_pageouts > vm.swap_idle_enabled > vm.swap_idle_threshold1 > vm.swap_idle_threshold2 > etc. > > See, for example, tuning(7). These have been around for ages (well, > at least since June 1996). You can also build your kernel with: > > options NO_SWAPPING > > which takes precedence over these settings. That option has been > around even longer. Linux has corresponding features, although they > didn't always work well on older kernels. It looks like the best explanation of NO_SWAPPING is http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1067315+0+archive/2003/freebsd-current/20030413.freebsd-current I found it after attempting to trim a powerpc kernel to see just how much I could leave out - it looks like it's not possible to leave out support for swapping. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 24 23:59:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E7B106564A for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22CF8FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5ONxkkX015426; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:59:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D34F6BAAA; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:59:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:59:45 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: cpghost Message-ID: <20090624235945.GA83599@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:59:54 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:57:34PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > Quite true! >=20 > I see even more ambiguity here: What about a versioned file pointed > to by hard links from two versioned directories? The more I think about it, the more problems I can see. Look e.g. at symbolic links. Or looking from the vc side, what about branches (checking out an older version of a file and editing it). Does it automatically become the new head, or are concurrent branches allowed? =20 > And even if the semantics were absolutely sound (can they be?), all > this meta data really needs to happen on a block level, e.g. how > described in that paper. I really wonder if combining a filesystem and a version control system is a good idea? > > > unlink(2) would remove an entry from a directory, and bump the revisi= on > > > of the directory. Accessing that path from the new revision wouldn't = be > > > possible, but the file would still be there in an earlier revision. > > >=20 > > > Modifying a file would also create new revisions (e.g. at each > > > write(2), or at each close(2), that should be selectable). > >=20 > > I don't know what you want to do use this for, but a simple trick (used > > e.g. by Pro/Engineer) is to have your application append a version > > number after the filename (e.g. "foo.prt.1") that is incremented every > > time the file is saved. This does waste some disk space (or provides > > redundancy, take your pick). >=20 > Yes, that's always possible. But that would defeat transparency. Why? Larger number=3D=3Dlater file. How more transparent could it be? =20 > And there's another problem here: what if two processes concurrently > save (commit?) the same file, and there's a merging conflict? I'd say that two processes should _never_ open the same file for writing at the same time. Since the contents of the file are opaque to the file system but not to the programs, it is impossible for the filesystem to fix merge conflicts.=20 If you have multiple programs working together only one should write to the file in question. The others should communicate with the writing program via IPC. > > > Of course, there would be additional API calls to traverse the > > > list of revisions, to access meta data (properties?, tags?, > > > commit logs?, ...) etc., so that the file system remains manageable. > >=20 > > VMS had a filesystem that uses versioning: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wik= i/Files-11] >=20 > I was thinking about this before starting this thread. But file > versioning (as opposed to full versioning that also includes > directory versioning) is probably relatively easy to implement. > At least, its semantics are unambiguous. Indeed. It seems the VMS filesystem just tacks a semicolon and a nummer on to the filename. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpCvfEACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWm5QCaAlPzec7wx4o3Y+u4ifH0BIcD K7oAniywaJ3T0ddIWwTayPgjsoYijjBJ =2tq0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 02:31:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B1D1065670 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DED8FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:31:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jguojun@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so231270rvb.43 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5OL0+76WZJ3ASdraOl11LxDTiBkaHYZiUbqsXDG3hyA=; b=PHStKaQjsix6cEEzdLmXuU6wcdaVfXr9Il8ZYqyShiuYvA/xiZ3m+pDdCtgdcdxfKY OY+YlXb3k8VATRhguO/J9pkHyWpy++B5GGDQMuBBD6fViUrj8tVboZcjpNM5MGnZ5itG hwpDYnSmTxTYGDW0u63wsKARA6cRYEMo0LYMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SY+rUMgb6M8Vp5Uv0eZvmXjtk4kYX2h4LkaTrjgcQipQxyS0tXG2h0F1shK1k6WeHC oqx1VP7in+CucP0zEzt7h9THdr6tCNWbFNJcDg4GptFpBW17IxraBRv1byrHBgwQIkkN 3QiGxyjgNp1KPKZGdBwS8sgD7oF40P5Hcxv78= Received: by 10.141.4.20 with SMTP id g20mr1805152rvi.131.1245895782920; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.30.148? (216.112.109.105.ptr.us.xo.net [216.112.109.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm7010573rvf.6.2009.06.24.19.09.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A42DC60.2060208@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:09:36 -0700 From: Jin Guojun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20080928 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mfdpic" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:31:35 -0000 This option "-mfdpic" is shown in manual page for gcc 4.1 or later -mfdpic Select the FDPIC ABI, that uses function descriptors to represent pointers to functions. Without any PIC/PIE-related options, it implies -fPIE. With -fpic or -fpie, it assumes GOT entries and small data are within a 12-bit range from the GOT base address; with -fPIC or -fPIE, GOT offsets are computed with 32 bits. With a bfin-elf target, this option implies -msim. However, tried all gcc 4.1.x, 4.2.x and 4.3.x with following test, and no one of them accept this option: %: echo "#include " | gcc43 -mfdpic - -E cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mfdpic" # 1 "" %: echo "#include " | gcc43 -fdpic - -E cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-fdpic" # 1 "" where "-dpic" option is a voild option. Does anyone know why "-mfdpic" option is missing from gcc4.x in FreeBSD distribution? Is this due to some license issues? If so, what is the other option to subtitute it? Thanks, -Jin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 05:03:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621EC106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E8B8FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so388915wfg.7 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:03:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1x0LPJ6jyStWi17vT9sa9fwDiIgWmpE+CNJoRP2ux10=; b=J0ziymci6K6FwZ/xT1nJ/xAzhSwsgYZfJY1WNqE6UT0O+Rn+rAl8TwNR71Sh4QZllz ttpkv89o0gitr4a6a4N944SHHMredIwNMcPl8Qms5G+f02CPb9N3MiYznB40NpVxyPTH XieAW55Pvxp/S25tdt5051p2bX4jCWulwawXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MVpj6IYQLZYiDkP3VUXDdWsXP1kCMH0FaSmPHHaXHg2Q9A8SLguZYXuZJuWtRUtTLo iO9yAV4eAx1CwePUjQw+Yqi9oxT/t2L6WAOKWFoxEwp8tqa/lFd1yJMPBlNfVBX+suJr TdKN5H84ZFcfUepSoLZ0QRY90wzIdBoSub4+M= Received: by 10.142.230.9 with SMTP id c9mr702419wfh.2.1245906182783; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pbbi.freebsd.localdomain ([122.162.238.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm7645579wfg.27.2009.06.24.22.02.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:33:01 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090618) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:03:03 -0000 > > If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have > to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a > (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. > Any Unix tool has to clearly fall either under the category of non-interactive (grep, sed, ex) or interactive (vi, wget, sysinstall). The case of non-interactive tools is simple : just do what you are told on the commandline and exit. For interactive tools, at a minimum, the application has to be show what data it is working on and what it does with the data when the user presses a key (or a series of them). ed was never meant to be non-interactive, and it does not fulfil the basic requirements of being interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, how many times does an average commandline user even think of using ed when he needs to edit a file, even in the extreme case where there are no alternatives ? > There have been some recent changes: > > http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194628 > > > that suggest that this problem is being addressed. Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of having vi under /bin rather than /usr/bin. Actually, it surprises me to what extent the core of the FreeBSD community is enamoured with this idea of a micro-minimalistic base, in which it is practically impossible to do anything except run fsck. Matters don't stop there. Seeing the limitations of this approach, the community churns up wierd workarounds like /rescue/vi, when all that was needed was shift vi from /usr. You talk about the need for compliance with old hardware and embedded systems to save a few kilos. How old is the hardware that you have in mind ? The oldest system running FreeBSD I know of is a 1997 Pentium with a 2 GB disk, and even that can easily withstand the change I am suggesting. Machines older than that are actually DEAD and don't have to be factored in. As for embedded systems, the primary target of FreeBSD is servers, workstations and *tops. The embedded world hasn't survived riding on FreeBSD, nor the other way round. So from the viewpoint of the greatest good of the largest number, over-indulging a mindset fixed around minimizing the base only leads to degradation, not improvement. Getting to boast of a 900K / won't do any good when people are thinking of having decent firepower (even while in single-user mode) and its ease of use. But I guess my words are of no use when the people who matter just won't listen. So I give any hopes in this regard. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 05:49:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582491065675 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEB68FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 84ms1c00C1smiN4A75cbLK; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:36:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([69.250.45.68]) by OMTA20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 85cZ1c0021UFfxx8g5cabs; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:36:35 +0000 Message-ID: <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:36:31 -0400 From: "John L. Templer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090409) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manish Jain References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:49:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Manish Jain wrote: >> >> If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have >> to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a >> (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. >> > > Any Unix tool has to clearly fall either under the category of > non-interactive (grep, sed, ex) or interactive (vi, wget, sysinstall). Oh really? Many Unix programs have traditionally had both a command line mode of operation and an interactive mode, and that's still pretty much still true. Usually when you run a program you put arguments on the command line, and the program does what those arguments tell it to do. But for many programs, if you run them with no arguments they run in interactive mode and wait for the user to issue commands telling the program what to do. > The case of non-interactive tools is simple : just do what you are told > on the commandline and exit. For interactive tools, at a minimum, the > application has to be show what data it is working on and what it does > with the data when the user presses a key (or a series of them). ed was > never meant to be non-interactive, and it does not fulfil the basic > requirements of being interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, how many > times does an average commandline user even think of using ed when he > needs to edit a file, even in the extreme case where there are no > alternatives ? ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as such, at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main editors, ex, vi, and ed. If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But if you were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for newbies. ed is an interactive program because the user "interacts" with it. You give it command, it does something, you give it some more commands, it does more stuff, etc. Interactive does not mean screen based. > > Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of having vi > under /bin rather than /usr/bin. > > Actually, it surprises me to what extent the core of the FreeBSD > community is enamoured with this idea of a micro-minimalistic base, in > which it is practically impossible to do anything except run fsck. > Matters don't stop there. Seeing the limitations of this approach, the > community churns up wierd workarounds like /rescue/vi, when all that was > needed was shift vi from /usr. You talk about the need for compliance > with old hardware and embedded systems to save a few kilos. How old is > the hardware that you have in mind ? The oldest system running FreeBSD I > know of is a 1997 Pentium with a 2 GB disk, and even that can easily > withstand the change I am suggesting. Machines older than that are > actually DEAD and don't have to be factored in. As for embedded systems, > the primary target of FreeBSD is servers, workstations and *tops. The > embedded world hasn't survived riding on FreeBSD, nor the other way > round. So from the viewpoint of the greatest good of the largest number, > over-indulging a mindset fixed around minimizing the base only leads to > degradation, not improvement. Getting to boast of a 900K / won't do any > good when people are thinking of having decent firepower (even while in > single-user mode) and its ease of use. It's not just keeping the core system small, it's ensuring that if the disk containing /usr fails to mount, then you still have enough of the system to fix the problem. Admittedly this isn't as much of a concern now, what with rescue disks and CDs with bootable live systems, but it's still nice to have. John L. Templer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpDDM0ACgkQjkAlo11skePG4wCgjq4plp71Yattn34UP9YIyv4k VagAoKDcLGVPQBxae6FABGa5hLI9w4gM =+Ed7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 06:03:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB2C106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0188FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5977E837 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:03:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:03:36 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A42DC60.2060208@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A42DC60.2060208@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906242203.36451.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mfdpic" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:03:39 -0000 On Wednesday 24 June 2009 18:09:36 Jin Guojun wrote: > This option "-mfdpic" is shown in manual page for gcc 4.1 or later > > -mfdpic > Select the FDPIC ABI, that uses function descriptors to > represent pointers to functions. Without any PIC/PIE-related options, it > implies -fPIE. With -fpic or -fpie, it assumes GOT entries and small data > are within a 12-bit range from the GOT base address; with -fPIC or -fPIE, > GOT offsets are computed with 32 bits. With a > bfin-elf target, this option implies -msim. > This applies to FRV options, which is a specific processor, so it's not available for your architecture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-V -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 06:24:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8DD1065670 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAA08FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13177E837; Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:24:52 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:24:51 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F0AC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F0AC@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906242224.51785.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Gary Gatten Subject: Re: Isolating high cpu load at function level X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:24:54 -0000 On Wednesday 24 June 2009 07:42:06 Gary Gatten wrote: > I have a process with several threads - the main "worker" threads > typically use < 20% CPU - but after upgrading to a new version they're > now using > 90% cpu. I'm trying to determine what function these > threads are performing that's requiring so much more cpu. Is it bad > code? I bug in a library I linked against? What? > > > > I've tried gdb with list, info threads, info stack, bt full. I can make > sense of some of it. I guess what I'm hoping for is something like > "top" at the thread level, such that functions that thread perform are > sorted highest util (time/whatever). You'd typically turn on profiling, but sometimes less information is good, so you might be able to get the info you need by having your workers report the information. libwp[1] has some support for reporting that you could extend with values you're interested in. [1] http://www.garypennington.net/libwp/docs/html/ -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 07:29:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38A910656EB for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFDB8FC22 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:28:56 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:28:54 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906251328.55846.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:29:02 -0000 Hi, On 25 June 2009 pm 13:03:01 Manish Jain wrote: > > If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going > > to have to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, > > not just make a (long and hyperbolic) statement that you > > don't like it. > > requirements of being interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, > how many times does an average commandline user even think of > using ed when he needs to edit a file, even in the extreme case > where there are no alternatives ? > isn't there ee in the base system? > Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of > having vi under /bin rather than /usr/bin. > I do not see any reason to have a monster like vi there. > Actually, it surprises me to what extent the core of the > FreeBSD community is enamoured with this idea of a > micro-minimalistic base, in which it is practically impossible > to do anything except run fsck. Matters don't stop there. > Seeing the limitations of this approach, the community churns > up wierd workarounds like /rescue/vi, when all that was needed > was shift vi from /usr. You talk about the need for compliance Only people who want to use vi do this. The rest is happy with ee. > But I guess my words are of no use when the people who matter > just won't listen. So I give any hopes in this regard. I hope that they do not listen. It would be even better to have an editor like joe in /bin than anything like vi. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 07:30:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0883D1065691 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A9E8FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n5P7UcfA005217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n5P7Uc55005216; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA03847; Thu, 25 Jun 09 00:26:05 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:24:23 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: invalid.pointer@gmail.com, green_tiger@comcast.net Message-Id: <4a432627.nNXzKFb0uYX/7NBi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:30:40 -0000 > ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as > such, at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main > editors, ex, vi, and ed. ed goes back at least as far as the Bell Labs 6th Edition (PDP-11), where it was the only editor in the distribution. ex and vi (and termcap, without which there would be no vi) were written later, at UC Berkeley. > If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But if you > were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you > used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for > newbies. More like, ed was the "original" Unix editor; ex and vi presumably were inspired, at least in part, by a desire to improve on ed's limitations. I doubt I'm the only one who muttered about the bother of horsing around with ed, back when there was nothing else. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 07:54:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20201065673 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE038FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so1685577qyk.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:54:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XRpqSOhv732S7F9PUUzRKxwX9X/DC9czb92urNR8tDg=; b=CUNtmu/vowU+KdbzQkvuNy5srlzeulcJMwbEraw9lKOqCT/NBobHdnU+Od8DoQ5yZ+ HxebaOYTf7PzAYjlcLse7Fhq66SDxPJuKUIuAviP3OYvf2dmYN0x2fiNs2qmi8gngdle y6OAxNsdAnAkvpd0qpL+T0Vr8dKyVX2phX0MA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=O/oB9JRP7aJOnE4EBJzwivNn7A8X5QMO+k0l9wmKyoVJGUu6+4/psg0uAcGMg8CXv8 +OpCytmLcVg2dqILEEnd5LmsQhYGD0R5YziYGM7f0CaDv/70+kNzIHdNMYCiGU8H5XAc LOe4wdN0Yv/tgUq/s3g980Ttzv8ROhGf9i9ro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.95.194 with SMTP id e2mr2020845vcn.60.1245914490450; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:21:30 +0700 Message-ID: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> From: budsz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:18 -0000 Hi, I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as bridging to my box. here is my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf: default: #set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command #set log all set log Phase tun command speedy: set device PPPoE:rl1 set authname xxxxx@ISP.net set authkey xxxxx set dial set login set cd 5 set crtscts off add default HISADDR set timeout 0 # 3 minute idle timer (the default) # no idle time out, will not disconnect set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set speed sync enable lqr set lqrperiod 5 enable mssfixup # For noisy lines, we may want to reconnect (up to 20 times) after loss # of carrier, with 3 second delays between each attempt: # #set reconnect 3 20 set redial 0 0 I try to use -ddial mode with ppp(8). Here is log problem /var/log/ppp.log: Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> hangup Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 0 packets in, 0 packets out Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Thu Jun 25 11:59:56 2009 Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (0) for redialing. Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Jun 25 12:00:01 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier Jun 25 12:00:06 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! And, with full debug mode: Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: ---- Begin of Timer Service List--- Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: physical throughput timer[0x28412068]: freq = 1.00s, next = 0.00s, state = running Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: ---- End of Timer Service List --- Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: timer_Start: Inserting physical throughput timer[0x28412068] Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> hangup Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Debug: deflink: Close Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 0 packets in, 0 packets out Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Thu Jun 25 11:24:27 2009 Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: timer_Start: Inserting dial timer[0x28410d44] Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (0) for redialing. Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Timer: Select returns -1 Jun 25 11:24:32 rtr-gw ppp[3090]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Redial timer expired. Anyone know this problem.. my box very hard to negotiation with my ISP. Thank You -- budsz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 07:54:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8F51065709 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9E98FC16 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qy0-f186.google.com with SMTP id 16so1685577qyk.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZWCnmZ2ZIG5D7aN+yf+2Cgjcx6izcyP7kzPcFT8UId4=; b=qEGE53XYZYNOHEV2xWqXc+ax2V50bNW2bf7Q3OVlAikl1hCNUy6Zni0WJEJtyRpDGQ IOYBu26O4Hbs9La+ppSo6EJJZmouFD4srq0TZ4wjhYNWulyCQufKp7o/FSnpZZIwXM1w a0TwSmrOB7rAY04XxKI8rW+y43F+1m34tMIGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q0DUwfyja2pl4wYY2kJhACuNOYJwnqkbsenshN8gPgY3PKmYXsO/Ni+mNu8MrqDXN8 FbkgghRJWY+oKKQSUgvXfkgBs7g6IjMFe8zayFo0Wgl/NVPZrDiMG8VoXuqLn2SQL9F3 9GeXyVuN3D6dpDSSOqkf/d4nS1YbsEHfd/mB0= Received: by 10.224.37.143 with SMTP id x15mr1835711qad.146.1245916481972; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?152.144.218.35? ([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2420824qwh.21.2009.06.25.00.54.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A432D3B.5030809@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:24:35 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "John L. Templer" References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:54:42 -0000 John L. Templer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Manish Jain wrote: >>> If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have >>> to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a >>> (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. >>> >> Any Unix tool has to clearly fall either under the category of >> non-interactive (grep, sed, ex) or interactive (vi, wget, sysinstall). > > Oh really? Many Unix programs have traditionally had both a command > line mode of operation and an interactive mode, and that's still pretty > much still true. Usually when you run a program you put arguments on > the command line, and the program does what those arguments tell it to > do. But for many programs, if you run them with no arguments they run > in interactive mode and wait for the user to issue commands telling the > program what to do. > >> The case of non-interactive tools is simple : just do what you are told >> on the commandline and exit. For interactive tools, at a minimum, the >> application has to be show what data it is working on and what it does >> with the data when the user presses a key (or a series of them). ed was >> never meant to be non-interactive, and it does not fulfil the basic >> requirements of being interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, how many >> times does an average commandline user even think of using ed when he >> needs to edit a file, even in the extreme case where there are no >> alternatives ? > > ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as such, > at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main editors, > ex, vi, and ed. If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But > if you were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you > used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for newbies. > > ed is an interactive program because the user "interacts" with it. You > give it command, it does something, you give it some more commands, it > does more stuff, etc. Interactive does not mean screen based. > >> Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of having vi >> under /bin rather than /usr/bin. >> >> Actually, it surprises me to what extent the core of the FreeBSD >> community is enamoured with this idea of a micro-minimalistic base, in >> which it is practically impossible to do anything except run fsck. >> Matters don't stop there. Seeing the limitations of this approach, the >> community churns up wierd workarounds like /rescue/vi, when all that was >> needed was shift vi from /usr. You talk about the need for compliance >> with old hardware and embedded systems to save a few kilos. How old is >> the hardware that you have in mind ? The oldest system running FreeBSD I >> know of is a 1997 Pentium with a 2 GB disk, and even that can easily >> withstand the change I am suggesting. Machines older than that are >> actually DEAD and don't have to be factored in. As for embedded systems, >> the primary target of FreeBSD is servers, workstations and *tops. The >> embedded world hasn't survived riding on FreeBSD, nor the other way >> round. So from the viewpoint of the greatest good of the largest number, >> over-indulging a mindset fixed around minimizing the base only leads to >> degradation, not improvement. Getting to boast of a 900K / won't do any >> good when people are thinking of having decent firepower (even while in >> single-user mode) and its ease of use. > > It's not just keeping the core system small, it's ensuring that if the > disk containing /usr fails to mount, then you still have enough of the > system to fix the problem. Admittedly this isn't as much of a concern > now, what with rescue disks and CDs with bootable live systems, but it's > still nice to have. > > John L. Templer > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkpDDM0ACgkQjkAlo11skePG4wCgjq4plp71Yattn34UP9YIyv4k > VagAoKDcLGVPQBxae6FABGa5hLI9w4gM > =+Ed7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Hi John, I really think you need to go through Unix's history again to get your facts anywhere close to reality. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 08:54:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421A8106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A97A8FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Jun 2009 08:54:02 -0000 Received: from ipa49.58.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [169.254.0.1]) [79.107.58.49] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu001) with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 10:54:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Baz5ykdSBa4XnDr4EpyZM90NDcUgBD4jUrik0bs 1USu3AjkBMXWrX Message-ID: <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:53:11 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: budsz References: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:54:05 -0000 budsz wrote: > I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as > bridging to my box. Could you run "tcpdump -ni rl1" while trying and post it to the list? Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 11:03:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE821065673; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3D28FC19; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJmjG-0004bj-Vr; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:03:00 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MJmjG-0006tB-8q; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:02:54 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5PB2rQc032003; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:02:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5PB2r9a032002; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:02:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:02:53 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090625110253.GA31443@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: Subject: gmirror gm0 destroyed on shutdown; GPT corrupt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:03:03 -0000 FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT-200906 ia64, fresh installation Following the handbook, section 19.1 RAID1 - mirroring, I'm trying to use gmirror with 2 identical scsi disks: da0 at mpt0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit) da0: Command Queueing Enabled da0: 17366MB (35566478 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2213C) da1 at mpt0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da1: 160.000MB/s transfers (80.000MHz, offset 63, 16bit) da1: Command Queueing Enabled da1: 17366MB (35566478 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2213C) # sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=17 kern.geom.debugflags: 0 -> 17 # gmirror label -vb round-robin gm0 /dev/da0 Metadata value stored on /dev/da0. Done. # gmirror load #g_modevent(MIRROR, LOAD) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b8eb10, 0xe000000010686e40, 2, 262144) g_load_class(MIRROR) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, acd0t01) acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x02 ascq=0x00 g_detach(0xe0000000106eb580) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eb580) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724800(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, acd0) acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x02 ascq=0x00 g_detach(0xe0000000106eb700) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eb700) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724a00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p6) g_detach(0xe0000000106eb880) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eb880) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724c00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p5) g_detach(0xe0000000106eba80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eba80) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724c00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p4) g_detach(0xe0000000106ebc00) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106ebc00) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010630700(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p3) g_detach(0xe000000010738000) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010738000) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724e00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p2) g_detach(0xe000000010738180) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010738180) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001075f400(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2p1) g_detach(0xe000000010620e80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010620e80) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724a00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p6) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9580) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9580) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724800(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p5) g_detach(0xe000000010739700) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739700) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f8f00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p4) g_detach(0xe000000010739680) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739680) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f8d00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p3) g_detach(0xe000000010739800) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739800) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001072ce00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p2) g_detach(0xe000000010739780) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739780) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f8700(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0p1) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9680) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9680) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001072cb00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da2) g_detach(0xe0000000106a4900) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106a4900) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001075fa00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da1) g_detach(0xe0000000106ebc80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106ebc80) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010630b00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, da0) g_detach(0xe0000000106e8400) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e8400) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001072c800(mirror:taste)) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108f9000, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108f9000 ref 0xe000000010760800 GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm0 launched (1/1). g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a3fa1b76cb317b5) g_detach(0xe0000000106a4780) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106a4780) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108fa300(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a3fa1b69c522d30) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9900) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9900) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108fac00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a3fa1b751514347) g_detach(0xe0000000106ebb00) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106ebb00) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001075f300(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a3fa1b5e5003da2) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9880) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9880) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010763600(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, iso9660/FreeBSD_Install) acd0: FAILURE - READ_BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x02 ascq=0x00 g_detach(0xe000000010738080) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010738080) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081dd00(mirror:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9980) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9980) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010763600(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0) GEOM: mirror/gm0: the secondary GPT table is corrupt or invalid. GEOM: mirror/gm0: using the primary only -- recovery suggested. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108fa400, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108fa400 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe00000001075fa00, 2, 0) ref 0xe00000001075fa00 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108f8700, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108f8700 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108f8500, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108f8500 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe000000010725a00, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108f8500 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe000000010725a00, 2, 0) ref 0xe000000010725a00 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe000000010631500, 2, 0) ref 0xe000000010631500 ref 0xe0000000108f8300 g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0) g_detach(0xe000000010738080) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010738080) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001075ef00(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p1) g_detach(0xe000000010739b00) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739b00) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010762f00(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p1) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p1) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010763a00(mirror/gm0p1)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p1) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc000) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc000) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081d500(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p2) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc100) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc100) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f9d00(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p2) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p2) g_wither_geom(0xe00000001072c800(mirror/gm0p2)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p2) g_slice_config(mirror/gm0p2, 0, 1) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108fae00, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108fae00 ref 0xe0000000108faa00 g_detach(0xe0000000108fc300) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc300) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081d100(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p3) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc380) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc380) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724600(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p3) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p3) g_wither_geom(0xe00000001075ed00(mirror/gm0p3)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p3) g_detach(0xe0000000106e9900) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106e9900) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010630700(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p4) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc600) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc600) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108fad00(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p4) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p4) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010762a00(mirror/gm0p4)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p4) g_slice_config(mirror/gm0p4, 0, 1) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe000000010630c00, 2, 0) ref 0xe000000010630c00 ref 0xe0000000108f8c00 g_detach(0xe0000000108fc800) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc800) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010763900(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p5) g_detach(0xe0000000108fcb00) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fcb00) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724800(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p5) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p5) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010724e00(mirror/gm0p5)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p5) g_slice_config(mirror/gm0p5, 0, 1) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe0000000108f8e00, 2, 0) ref 0xe0000000108f8e00 ref 0xe00000001075f400 g_detach(0xe000000010739780) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739780) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001072c400(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, mirror/gm0p6) g_detach(0xe0000000108fcb80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fcb80) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081d500(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0p6) g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0p6) g_wither_geom(0xe0000000108f8200(mirror/gm0p6)) g_label_taste(LABEL, mirror/gm0p6) g_slice_config(mirror/gm0p6, 0, 1) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004b861c0, 0xe00000001081d100, 2, 0) ref 0xe00000001081d100 ref 0xe0000000108f9d00 g_detach(0xe0000000108fcc80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fcc80) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108fb300(label:taste)) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6) g_detach(0xe0000000108fcd80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fcd80) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724600(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6) g_part_taste(PART,ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010724600(ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6)) g_label_taste(LABEL, ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0) g_detach(0xe000000010739480) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739480) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081d500(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0) g_part_taste(PART,ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010724800(ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0)) g_label_taste(LABEL, ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a43468b228d030c) g_detach(0xe0000000106eaf80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eaf80) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081c200(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,ufsid/4a43468b228d030c) g_part_taste(PART,ufsid/4a43468b228d030c) g_wither_geom(0xe00000001081dc00(ufsid/4a43468b228d030c)) g_label_taste(LABEL, ufsid/4a43468b228d030c) g_mirror_taste(MIRROR, ufsid/4a43468c8715f453) g_detach(0xe0000000108fd100) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fd100) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f8100(mirror:taste)) dev_taste(DEV,ufsid/4a43468c8715f453) g_part_taste(PART,ufsid/4a43468c8715f453) g_wither_geom(0xe000000010724a00(ufsid/4a43468c8715f453)) g_label_taste(LABEL, ufsid/4a43468c8715f453) g_detach(0xe0000000106ea680) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106ea680) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724a00(ufsid/4a43468c8715f453)) g_detach(0xe0000000108fd000) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fd000) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001081dc00(ufsid/4a43468b228d030c)) g_detach(0xe000000010739280) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739280) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724800(ufsid/4a43468cf6208bf0)) g_detach(0xe0000000106eb880) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106eb880) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724600(ufsid/4a43468a267a63a6)) g_detach(0xe000000010738000) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010738000) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000108f8200(mirror/gm0p6)) g_detach(0xe0000000106a4900) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106a4900) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010724e00(mirror/gm0p5)) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc700) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc700) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010762a00(mirror/gm0p4)) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc480) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc480) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001075ed00(mirror/gm0p3)) g_detach(0xe0000000108fc200) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000108fc200) g_destroy_geom(0xe00000001072c800(mirror/gm0p2)) g_detach(0xe000000010739c80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe000000010739c80) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010763a00(mirror/gm0p1)) # ls -al /dev/mirror/ total 1 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jun 25 11:16 . dr-xr-xr-x 9 root wheel 512 Jun 25 11:22 .. crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 105 Jun 25 11:16 gm0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 116 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 117 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p2 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 118 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p3 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 119 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p4 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 120 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p5 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 121 Jun 25 11:16 gm0p6 # #echo 'geom_mirror_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf # cat /boot/loader.conf vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/da0p2" geom_mirror_load="YES" # On shutdown I see on console: [skip] g_detach(0xe0000000106c7000) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106c7000) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000106c3200(mirror/gm0p2)) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010828200(mirror/gm0)) g_post_event_x(0xe000000004c33e70, 0xe0000000106c6d80, 2, 0) g_wither_geom(0xe0000000106efa00(gm0.sync)) GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm0 destroyed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ g_wither_geom(0xe000000010826900(gm0)) g_detach(0xe0000000106c6d80) g_destroy_consumer(0xe0000000106c6d80) g_destroy_geom(0xe0000000106efa00(gm0.sync)) g_destroy_geom(0xe000000010826900(gm0)) And when the system is rebooted, there is no /dev/mirror anymore. Please advise many thanks -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 11:45:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC4C1065768 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F988FC1B for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:45:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5PBjnOq027931; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:45:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5PBjnGj027930; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:45:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:45:49 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: "John L. Templer" Message-ID: <20090625114549.GA26683@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , "John L. Templer" , Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:45:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:45:59 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:36:31AM -0400, John L. Templer typed: > > ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as such, > at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main editors, > ex, vi, and ed. If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But > if you were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you > used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for newbies. > > ed is an interactive program because the user "interacts" with it. You > give it command, it does something, you give it some more commands, it > does more stuff, etc. Interactive does not mean screen based. ed can be used very well non-interactively. e.g. a script made by diff -e can be piped to it. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 12:12:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BA3106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from tmailer.gwdg.de (tmailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663098FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de ([134.76.8.60]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MJmtH-0007Sr-70; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:13:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:13:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Konrad Heuer To: Manish Jain In-Reply-To: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Level: - X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:12:24 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Manish Jain wrote: >> If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going to have >> to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, not just make a >> (long and hyperbolic) statement that you don't like it. >> > > Any Unix tool has to clearly fall either under the category of > non-interactive (grep, sed, ex) or interactive (vi, wget, sysinstall). The > case of non-interactive tools is simple : just do what you are told on the > commandline and exit. For interactive tools, at a minimum, the application > has to be show what data it is working on and what it does with the data when > the user presses a key (or a series of them). ed was never meant to be > non-interactive, and it does not fulfil the basic requirements of being > interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, how many times does an average > commandline user even think of using ed when he needs to edit a file, even in > the extreme case where there are no alternatives ? > >> There have been some recent changes: >> >> http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/194628 >> >> >> that suggest that this problem is being addressed. > > Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of having vi > under /bin rather than /usr/bin. > > Actually, it surprises me to what extent the core of the FreeBSD community is > enamoured with this idea of a micro-minimalistic base, in which it is > practically impossible to do anything except run fsck. Matters don't stop > there. Seeing the limitations of this approach, the community churns up wierd > workarounds like /rescue/vi, when all that was needed was shift vi from /usr. > You talk about the need for compliance with old hardware and embedded systems > to save a few kilos. How old is the hardware that you have in mind ? The > oldest system running FreeBSD I know of is a 1997 Pentium with a 2 GB disk, > and even that can easily withstand the change I am suggesting. Machines older > than that are actually DEAD and don't have to be factored in. As for embedded > systems, the primary target of FreeBSD is servers, workstations and *tops. > The embedded world hasn't survived riding on FreeBSD, nor the other way > round. So from the viewpoint of the greatest good of the largest number, > over-indulging a mindset fixed around minimizing the base only leads to > degradation, not improvement. Getting to boast of a 900K / won't do any good > when people are thinking of having decent firepower (even while in > single-user mode) and its ease of use. > > But I guess my words are of no use when the people who matter just won't > listen. So I give any hopes in this regard. Maybe you're right, maybe not. 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran code on a silly rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, and one can learn basics of ed in less than a hour. Don't you think so? Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, kheuer2@gwdg.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 12:44:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC50D106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f218.google.com (mail-fx0-f218.google.com [209.85.220.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629318FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18so135758fxm.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:43:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KE1GEgJBECNpKhF9PXF31dUXQnLaqLazk6oicmFN3Tk=; b=GBS9vJtVy/3nB4nim6fi3eXpBTCxdxK/catdK0H4FmqZWHPNNM7ZM/HCrJl7ryeIwX CsxXaMKuZ/PTkWiyDq5BinfGGaCpDurH1q64XNbokcNtlToh57ZL4zDMThF1shaMzRoK 8KZCJh4gmYvxJnitmYgo4kTpbBOgW5q9socIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=fGm1Kltw39zI9Gr/xijXVPjKqQn3QqY4cAhFLSR5o+zJlcQXPwUG2uKZx1MuwOq+Fh QS5aM278mj/6nuylsurOPGesLfu9BPfx29Pjas1B0SfX2Lo31pb62tm0DhC2ayaQRicY aya4p8CzN2mYKLHERYNLMm8M/hf2bFNHYGV10= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr1493547muo.110.1245932277653; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:17:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090624205727.b4d5595f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4A426CD5.8070000@gmail.com> <20090624205727.b4d5595f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:17:57 +0200 Message-ID: From: usleepless@gmail.com To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Forrest Aldrich , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 system stuck trying at boot, trying to mount root device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:44:01 -0000 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:13:41 -0400, Forrest Aldrich > wrote: > > I also did a proper mount, fsck, and umount under the LiveFS shell, > > which made no difference. > > I hope I'm just reading it in the wrong order. The correct > order is to 1st fsck, then mount, not vice versa. Never > fsck a mounted file system. > > > > > The other messages I see on the console include GEOM output: > > > > GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ad4s1a is ufsid/blahblah > > > > then > > > > GEOM_LABEL: Label for ufsid/blahblah removed. > > This is completely normal today. As long as a file system is > not mounted, the label is provided. When it gets mounted, this > label is being removed. You see this on your console. > > > > > Anyone know how I can rescue this? > > Does /var/log/messages show something strange looking? > > I experienced similar behaviour recently when i had built kernel+userland with "-fomit-frame-pointer". I ended up doing a "repair" from an install CD, and rebuilding kernel+world without "-fomit-frame-pointer" afterwards. Your "init" is probably broken. regards, usleepless > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 13:00:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E40106568A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E77B8FC23 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so1812828qyk.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:00:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fSJyPlQy3AAhtYCclgkVx1MxRREH+m1YKJ9JDk+i/Iw=; b=fwXQ5vhkyGVaF0HR0XkUzZvsP45BNjCBflXsxi/2YqJqanbG7kg02V4FMRuaI+pN4j LbwlJ6v4j1Dx4sF8Qz2Nkc8DuSSnOfL/KaRtrgCjnTQ/DJOd8oOP21lRiMftx50DBOLz OLZoqPIDxYB+AMCiEK7asXvDlVJY1hHU6P6Rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QrCOjxdgQ7Rvz+OgZpjLABOUBuvfGd2Y8MWHBO8vxnTJVkfCHYrYRF3PJBj7gzRMcK QOzPJRP+Iw3npy9kMV/3X0xcjwowRvo79qUAkK+vy5P009+V8Ux7xIPb0qS7dhC1myiQ WSkuIDgMKB7yZ/v7Qb1j9TgCICMdbRGnB3vBU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.71.10 with SMTP id f10mr2157997vcj.13.1245934832374; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:00:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> References: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:00:32 +0700 Message-ID: <4d4dc3640906250600s1ce50f1cm143460ec1cb9d302@mail.gmail.com> From: budsz To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:00:33 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > budsz wrote: >> >> I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as >> bridging to my box. > > Could you run "tcpdump -ni rl1" while trying and post > it to the list? If problem appear, I will do it. This problem not regularly, I got the same problem 2 week ago and today. I don't know what happen exactly, but I can dialing again after 3 hours. Thank You. -- budsz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 13:27:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D961F1065679 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFA18FC24 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B332E363; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:27:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:27:42 +0200 From: cpghost To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090625132742.GA882@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090625003323.cd7021a3.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090625003323.cd7021a3.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:27:45 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:33:23AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:57:34 +0200, cpghost wrote: > > Yep, you're right. I thought about a way to extend the API in a > > backwards compatible way, but that's not as easy or straight > > forward as it seems. In fact, it opens a whole can of worms. > > > > If the versioned file system isn't also POSIX compatible (where > > everything happens in HEAD unless specified otherwise), it's > > practically useless. > > The question is: Do you want to take versioning support into > the file system intendedly? FreeBSD keeps most things on a > per-file basis (ordinary files, devices, processes etc.). > Versioning can always be added as a separate solution > (using versioning systems as separate programs) that does > not make any assumptions on the file system used. As you > concluded, the file system's complexity would of course > grow with those requirements. In addition to your arguments, > just imagine how a fsck for such a file system would have > to be implemented... Yep. The more I think about it, the less obvious it becomes. IMHO, file versioning a la VMS would be possible (somehow), but everything beyond that (esp. directory versioning) requires a LOT of careful thinking. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 13:41:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196131065672 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C19B8FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583D12E363; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:41:53 +0200 From: cpghost To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090625134153.GB882@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090624150422.GA2307@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624163755.GA71757@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624175918.GA2948@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624191125.GA75991@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090624215734.GA3720@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090624235945.GA83599@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090624235945.GA83599@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Versioning File System for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:55 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:59:45AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:57:34PM +0200, cpghost wrote: > > Quite true! > > > > I see even more ambiguity here: What about a versioned file pointed > > to by hard links from two versioned directories? > > The more I think about it, the more problems I can see. Look e.g. at > symbolic links. Or looking from the vc side, what about branches > (checking out an older version of a file and editing it). Does it > automatically become the new head, or are concurrent branches allowed? > > > And even if the semantics were absolutely sound (can they be?), all > > this meta data really needs to happen on a block level, e.g. how > > described in that paper. > > I really wonder if combining a filesystem and a version control system > is a good idea? After a good night's sleep, and rethinking the whole concept, I agree that this is not such a good idea after all. At least not until I fully understand how (directory) versioning actually is supposed to work semantically AND under the hood. I'll stick to subversion (and will try git and hg as well), until I find a better solution. > > And there's another problem here: what if two processes concurrently > > save (commit?) the same file, and there's a merging conflict? > > I'd say that two processes should _never_ open the same file for writing > at the same time. Since the contents of the file are opaque to the file > system but not to the programs, it is impossible for the filesystem to > fix merge conflicts. Right! > If you have multiple programs working together only one should write to > the file in question. The others should communicate with the writing > program via IPC. Serializing file access? Yes, that makes sense. > > > > Of course, there would be additional API calls to traverse the > > > > list of revisions, to access meta data (properties?, tags?, > > > > commit logs?, ...) etc., so that the file system remains manageable. > > > > > > VMS had a filesystem that uses versioning: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files-11] > > > > I was thinking about this before starting this thread. But file > > versioning (as opposed to full versioning that also includes > > directory versioning) is probably relatively easy to implement. > > At least, its semantics are unambiguous. > > Indeed. It seems the VMS filesystem just tacks a semicolon and a nummer > on to the filename. Yep, that's one way to do it. If you're willing to go to the block level, I could imagine the inode of a versioned file linking to versioned direct / indirect blocks, i.e. one inode linking to more than just one ("physical") file. To keep things simple, the inode could link to a circular buffer of N (direct/indirect block links). Those versioned files could also COW-share blocks, but that's nothing conceptual, just an optimization. That would be pure file versioning: directories are linking to the inode, and each inode would potentially refer to N revisions of a file. But if it makes sense or not is something else altogether. Thanks for the great brainstorming. Things are clearer to me now. ;-) > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 13:46:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994FC1065688 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:46:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217398FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so100235fge.12 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:46:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gdc8oX5dMTyKbHacJwdLZ412mFKJ/WtQ/kAokhRZ3eg=; b=LbFzxEFVOs1UzKTW90fH2vcQnoIJZIxxGwVsu3xE3pY0ZzdUCROw7VYYL6u9ygJwfk dcfZHyAdo51HG56AVKGA6LMgwEOMzPmdj6LeO4a0zAW/lvMnne0ZWbz0uhRR8DUzaSYk rkHWMQfbMWkxzxN3cRoSrAEFbt37LOnZ8iMsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uurURLnqZQmjet8T0EjfyQSJHP2pz4nZCD9q6fMm8O5bX+uMLjb97O8G0zQNCUqqOX 36IbgII1ddaorb9QP1hG7orCb6LduAnzPPdpmODvMyWZoyj/k34x+BwZAirZzxRxMKiv mKX1k5y3fjmTVtAFo+3VNq1J5GW3RwJ7N/3J0= Received: by 10.86.49.13 with SMTP id w13mr2633250fgw.31.1245937609080; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?152.144.218.35? ([203.92.44.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm4414601fgb.11.2009.06.25.06.46.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A437FAC.5030101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:16:20 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruben de Groot , "John L. Templer" , Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> <20090625114549.GA26683@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20090625114549.GA26683@ei.bzerk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:46:50 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:36:31AM -0400, John L. Templer typed: >> ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as such, >> at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main editors, >> ex, vi, and ed. If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But >> if you were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you >> used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for newbies. >> >> ed is an interactive program because the user "interacts" with it. You >> give it command, it does something, you give it some more commands, it >> does more stuff, etc. Interactive does not mean screen based. > > ed can be used very well non-interactively. > e.g. a script made by diff -e can be piped to it. > > Ruben > > What I meant was the primary usage. Of course, there are many tools (ed included) which will allow non-interactive usage, and still others which can be tweaked or forced into that behaviour. The point about ed is that it does not live up to the needs of its primary mode. Somebody mentioned something about getting multi-line replacement functionality from ed that is not possible with sed. If only the gentleman would go through the documentation for a recent version of sed, he could save himself from a lot of further pain. This following link was posted a few days earlier from freebsd-questions itself : http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html There probably isn't much to compare between freebsd and cygwin, but cygwin has dropped ed (and afaik only ed) from its base distribution not for nothing. Maybe they were concerned about the bloat factor, and for good reason in ed's case. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 13:57:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD773106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE5C8FC12 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from [10.129.20.247] (216.106.24.170.reverse.socket.net [216.106.24.170]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA73643FF for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:57:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:57:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: FreeBSD wireless connection problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:57:03 -0000 Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a development box which is connected to the wireless network via an Intellinet wireless bridge. Periodically, the development box will no longer pass data on the network. However, checking the access point, I can see the bridge is still associated with the access point and is reporting the correct IP address. I am running FreeBSD 7.2 on the development box, running the em driver for the network card. The wireless bridge is connected via an ethernet cable to the em0 interface. The wireless bridge is an Intellinet Wireless LAN Base Stand set to Bridge in Infrastructure mode. The access point is a Cisco 1131AG with 3 vlans. Only the guest SSID is not hidden. I am not connecting to the guest SSID. At first I thought this was a problem with the wireless bridge. However, connecting the bridge to a Windows box yields a stable connection. If I disable ARP Caching on the access point, clear the arp cache, and then re-enable ARP caching, (dot11 arp-cache optional) the system will reappear on the network. I have upgraded to the latest/greatest IOS for the access point without any improvement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 14:04:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B6C106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A7B28FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Jun 2009 14:04:47 -0000 Received: from ipa49.58.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [169.254.0.1]) [79.107.58.49] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu003) with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 16:04:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ySRFzKr8ysWGx1oViYisCjp8eV3HL9JuL0s1EDr TbUVyueZD/p9Jm Message-ID: <4A4383C2.6050809@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:03:46 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: budsz References: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> <4d4dc3640906250600s1ce50f1cm143460ec1cb9d302@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4dc3640906250600s1ce50f1cm143460ec1cb9d302@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.58 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:50 -0000 budsz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >> budsz wrote: >>> I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as >>> bridging to my box. >> Could you run "tcpdump -ni rl1" while trying and post >> it to the list? > > If problem appear, I will do it. This problem not regularly, I got the > same problem 2 week ago and today. I don't know what happen exactly, > but I can dialing again after 3 hours. So, your configuration works, but at times it gets disconnected. And when that disconnection happens, it fails to re-connect. That means that if you pull the modem's power plug, you'll be able to establish a connection after some time and not immediately, right? 1) You should also "enable echo" along with "enable lqr". When you pull the FreeBSD's ethernet plug does it work? 2) You should watch the logs and wait for it to disconnect, plug the ethernet in and wait to re-connect on its own. 3) Then you should try the same with the DSL line, pull the plug from the modem and it should behave the same way, that is disconnect and re-connect on its own. Do these three steps and if everything works, wait for the random disconnection to happen. It should behave the same way. tcpdump is your friend while trying the above. HTH, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 14:17:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADACB1065672 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f186.google.com (mail-qy0-f186.google.com [209.85.221.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6582C8FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so1890312qyk.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LAODrGgyQEpR9Huee4YhU2MgB+fFDGLnfnxpAhgkCmc=; b=hmhRld8PNDxxCUR1E07K7gEfIfxmEhXOEw+9gWI89Z9SMbiHbu8BIxAnoajG6DrLbn RgdWw9EMbppeVMeI9e8PB4fbfa06BqAwV4/S9PEWyjuK8qJ6VhRDGbQ6QuiE9WQH4P9L 7yjUYnfJasuBi7e7V4ydh3vR7dRJFRnAADxD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S5mH3Zq7hJJwet2hGlEHp4/t48xbb10VMRP5gkMbwO2eGRDPMopmPBIfY6PeVqNeLq hlbY0oQ9rT4ZaHmDMJFeWvUL02aY/sKttY9SrPO4JAAs0BVF6/tYCfNlDLQk/hUitGIe XR1jJrVkoAW9WnGUIfXBsoKvttsG6fHNIATIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.75.9 with SMTP id w9mr2160689vcj.82.1245939467098; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4383C2.6050809@gmx.com> References: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> <4d4dc3640906250600s1ce50f1cm143460ec1cb9d302@mail.gmail.com> <4A4383C2.6050809@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:17:47 +0700 Message-ID: <4d4dc3640906250717m65b5895ct85af94a7510711d6@mail.gmail.com> From: budsz To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:17:48 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > budsz wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis >> wrote: >>> >>> budsz wrote: >>>> >>>> I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as >>>> bridging to my box. >>> >>> Could you run "tcpdump -ni rl1" while trying and post >>> it to the list? >> >> If problem appear, I will do it. This problem not regularly, I got the >> same problem 2 week ago and today. I don't know what happen exactly, >> but I can dialing again after 3 hours. > > So, your configuration works, but at times it gets disconnected. > And when that disconnection happens, it fails to re-connect. That > means that if you pull the modem's power plug, you'll be able to > establish a connection after some time and not immediately, right? > > 1) You should also "enable echo" along with "enable lqr". > > When you pull the FreeBSD's ethernet plug does it work? > 2) You should watch the logs and wait for it to disconnect, plug > the ethernet in and wait to re-connect on its own. > > 3) Then you should try the same with the DSL line, pull the plug > from the modem and it should behave the same way, that is > disconnect and re-connect on its own. > > Do these three steps and if everything works, wait for the > random disconnection to happen. It should behave the same way. > > tcpdump is your friend while trying the above. OK, dud. Right now I got some problem here output tcpdump -ni rl1: 20:14:58.764661 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009043C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:14:58.864426 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009043C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:00.799157 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:00.799165 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:04.014864 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:04.031335 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:05.905186 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [Service-Name] 20:15:05.905193 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [Service-Name] 20:15:08.964978 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:09.064289 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:11.011223 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:11.011231 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:14.164175 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:14.181137 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:16.117251 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [Service-Name] 20:15:16.117259 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [Service-Name] 20:15:19.248075 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:19.264056 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:22.367294 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x007D22C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:22.367302 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:22.367311 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] 20:15:25.464788 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x007D22C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:25.480781 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:25.497286 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:15:27.473336 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x805B5CC2] [Service-Name] tcpdump: WARNING: rl1: no IPv4 address assigned tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on rl1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes 20:16:18.533688 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x009443C2] [Service-Name] 20:16:18.533695 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x009443C2] [Service-Name] 20:16:18.968779 PPPoE [ses 0x197f] LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 92, length 21 20:16:21.662866 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009443C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:16:21.679340 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009443C2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:16:22.040825 PPPoE [ses 0x197f] LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 92, length 21 20:16:23.639726 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x005B5CC2] [Service-Name] 20:16:23.639733 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x005B5CC2] [Service-Name] 20:16:25.138200 PPPoE [ses 0x197f] LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 92, length 21 20:16:26.762773 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x005B5CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:16:26.779243 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x005B5CC2] [AC-Name "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] 20:16:28.562282 PPPoE PADT [ses 0x197f] 20:16:28.562306 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC08722C2] [Service-Name] 20:16:28.745757 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC08722C2] [Service-Name] We got disconnected after get some warning in /var/log/ppp.log: Jun 25 20:12:15 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: deflink: open -> lcp Jun 25 20:12:15 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0/0: Change route failed: errno: No such process Jun 25 20:12:15 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Terminate Jun 25 20:12:15 rtr-gw ppp[346]: tun0: Warning: ipv4_Input: IPCP not open - packet dropped Thank You -- budsz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 15:13:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A39106564A for ; 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Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:45:33 +0300 Message-ID: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> From: Dimitar Keranov To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:07:46 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:13:14 -0000 Hello, I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I can't find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? Thanks! D. Keranov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 16:16:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A56106567B for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CECA8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n5PGD3pg054002; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n5PGD36N054001; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:03 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Dimitar Keranov Message-ID: <20090625161303.GA53972@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:24 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:45:33PM +0300, Dimitar Keranov wrote: > Hello, > I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I can't > find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? Last I knew you could get such T-shirts at the FreeBSD mall or one of the other sites listed on the FreeBSD web site. ////jerry > > Thanks! > > > D. Keranov > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 16:16:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1522106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout016.mac.com (asmtpout016.mac.com [17.148.16.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E4A8FC18 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from spool002.mac.com ([10.150.69.52]) by asmtp016.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KLS001ROYC6TV00@asmtp016.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail064 ([10.13.128.64]) by spool002.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KLS007A6YJ0MH30@spool002.mac.com>; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:16:12 -0800 From: Peter Giessel To: Dimitar Keranov Message-id: <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> In-reply-to: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> Received: from [69.178.5.90] from webmail.me.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:16:12 -0800 X-Originating-IP: 69.178.5.90 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:16:40 -0000 >I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I can't >find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? Vector formats (which would allow you to produce any resolution you want) are available here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 17:09:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1591065670 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl (hook.uz.zgora.pl [212.109.128.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D7D8FC16 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A708A510EF for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:09:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: AntiSPAM System - University of Zielona Gora Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hook.uz.zgora.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kBZ+5L6VnDjH for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from komp.skl (xdsl-5405.zgora.dialog.net.pl [84.40.169.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A294510D1 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:09:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Zbigniew Komarnicki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:09:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906251909.31380.cblasius@gmail.com> Subject: error www/w3m X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:09:44 -0000 Hello, I got next error on amd64 7.2-RELEASE-p2 # portmaster /usr/ports/www/w3m ... cc -I. -I. -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon64 -I/usr/include/openssl -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DAUXBIN_DIR=\"/usr/local/libexec/w3m\" -DCGIBIN_DIR=\"/usr/local/libexec/w3m/cgi-bin\" -DHELP_DIR=\"/usr/local/share/w3m\" -DETC_DIR=\"/usr/local/etc\" -DCONF_DIR=\"/usr/local/etc/w3m\" -DRC_DIR=\"~/.w3m\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -c hash.c ar rv libindep.a Str.o indep.o regex.o textlist.o parsetag.o myctype.o hash.o ar: creating libindep.a a - Str.o a - indep.o a - regex.o a - textlist.o a - parsetag.o a - myctype.o a - hash.o ranlib libindep.a cc -I. -I. -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon64 -I/usr/include/openssl -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DAUXBIN_DIR=\"/usr/local/libexec/w3m\" -DCGIBIN_DIR=\"/usr/local/libexec/w3m/cgi-bin\" -DHELP_DIR=\"/usr/local/share/w3m\" -DETC_DIR=\"/usr/local/etc\" -DCONF_DIR=\"/usr/local/etc/w3m\" -DRC_DIR=\"~/.w3m\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -o mktable mktable.o dummy.o -L/usr/local/lib -lm -L. -lindep -L/usr/local/lib -lgc sort funcname.tab | nawk -f ./functable.awk > functable.tab ./mktable 100 functable.tab > functable.c Segmentation fault (core dumped) *** Error code 139 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m/work/w3m-0.5.2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m. ===>>> make failed for www/w3m ===>>> Aborting update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 17:41:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62775106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout023.mac.com (asmtpout023.mac.com [17.148.16.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA3A8FC12 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xcllnt@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Received: from macbook-pro.lan.xcllnt.net (mail.xcllnt.net [75.101.29.67]) by asmtp023.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KLS007ZJZORF370@asmtp023.mac.com>; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcel Moolenaar In-reply-to: <20090625110253.GA31443@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:41:13 -0700 Message-id: <10FCC74D-6D46-4112-AD89-BBB4C5933957@mac.com> References: <20090625110253.GA31443@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> To: Anton Shterenlikht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1067.4) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gmirror gm0 destroyed on shutdown; GPT corrupt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:41:40 -0000 On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:02 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > dev_taste(DEV,mirror/gm0) > g_part_taste(PART,mirror/gm0) > > GEOM: mirror/gm0: the secondary GPT table is corrupt or invalid. > GEOM: mirror/gm0: using the primary only -- recovery suggested. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You created the mirror after the GPT, which means you destroyed the GPT backup header. gmirror uses the last sector on the disk for metadata and that by itself is a cause for various problems. It's better to use gmirror per partition. > > #echo 'geom_mirror_load="YES"' >> /boot/loader.conf Is /boot a symlink for /efi/boot? > GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm0 destroyed. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is normal. > > And when the system is rebooted, there is no /dev/mirror anymore. You could run into a race condition between GPT and gmirror and GPT winning (again the result of gmirror using the last sector on a disk for metadata). Alternatively, make sure gmirror got loaded at boot. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar xcllnt@mac.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:20:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31511106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com (mail-gx0-f210.google.com [209.85.217.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35B38FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:20:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1724202gxk.19 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rXWpXsbK1wGwH85x/8OyCGlBhSdR7Ei4jsS2MrSlLGY=; b=VRnSMN5k6+A/K5GCANgTPDvDHqXRza62WF5u7rB2NOIvTUkNQ1Td4FTZgElPubDg2L sdAdvM2tAcebd30izZH2UIKH5uerGwbqh2cpSH5WOUsdDbie9IRkhHvZiXnEvXXC6iiL CLZg/WLSejRZDSEcO2ri+Dkow7Im7wWgnxQ98= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BtSMV4wwr8nh8vkKJWRE5h2kXUst/LocwJA4343OB8BEyyqZuv5Z+W/vmZPHe/+DE3 mRJhFfaB9Yko0HrQPmuR9uqiUNVq7yJtTUFRuLvQdIcLr27KqzXJqMKb34dTodvjmPeG R/250c3ZqwhuV2l02A4eXV/+qtKD4T0SXyIJY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.100.11 with SMTP id x11mr2307292agb.71.1245954043124; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> References: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Manish Jain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: j.mckeown@ru.ac.za, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:20:44 -0000 2009/6/24 Manish Jain : > everyone has hundreds of GB's > on the disk No. No they don't. Please hang up and try again. If you need to make a collect call, please dial zero to speak with an oper- ator. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:29:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974A2106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554EE8FC17 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7583CB60; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5PITg4S001872; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:29:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:29:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-Id: <20090625202942.5d8ee613.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4A420701.5020505@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manish Jain , j.mckeown@ru.ac.za, FreeBSD, Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:29:50 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:20:42 -0400, "illoai@gmail.com" wrote: > 2009/6/24 Manish Jain : > > everyone has hundreds of GB's > > on the disk > > No. No they don't. Please hang up and try again. If you need > to make a collect call, please dial zero to speak with an oper- > ator. Dial all the numbers altogether to talk to the fat guy with the big hard disk. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:33:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48542106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA4A8FC0A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (77-254-169-221.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.169.221]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D8DB8041 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:31:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1245954708; bh=D/cHbMqC0T15ECx9sDJi3h4rgzZF7iPQ2c5ebEFj47o=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xCnM+T0UtorWbqGrvT6d4Il7ple5gxEn8MGf89PSiLrEMYtljeXw5hGfqNNP10wuq b5hh2jFAelA5QqzcHBy41odDXLBPXRxJRhapUOebFP/GNgcNBAWbDXjLLai/Z55Z4+ v+aRJw5BrE3yK3uzl7Qd72seF/efTtPtCfoU3t4s= Message-ID: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:33:12 +0200 From: Zbigniew Szalbot User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mounting network NTFS drive on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:33:19 -0000 Hello, I am trying to figure out how to mount a network NTFS drive (192.168.16.3\backups) on a FreeBSD system. Can you point me to the appropriate documentation? The Handbook mentions the mount command but I am not sure I can do it using mount? Or can I? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mount-unmount.html Thank you very much in advance! Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:47:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8917F1065672 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0CB8FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4466975.home.otenet.gr [94.71.105.15]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n5PIlp9A018561; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:47:52 +0300 Message-ID: <4A43C657.3070405@otenet.gr> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:47:51 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zbigniew Szalbot References: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> In-Reply-To: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting network NTFS drive on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:47:54 -0000 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to figure out how to mount a network NTFS drive > (192.168.16.3\backups) on a FreeBSD system. > > Can you point me to the appropriate documentation? The Handbook > mentions the mount command but I am not sure I can do it using mount? > Or can I? > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mount-unmount.html > > > Thank you very much in advance! > > Zbigniew Szalbot Effectively, you will be mounting a Samba (SMB) share and not an NTFS drive (the latter would be the case if it were made available locally). See the man page for mount_smbfs From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:48:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B541065672 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069828FC21 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C9E3D157; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:48:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5PImNKv001966; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:48:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:48:23 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Zbigniew Szalbot Message-Id: <20090625204823.bfe937ef.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> References: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting network NTFS drive on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:48:30 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:33:12 +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to figure out how to mount a network NTFS drive > (192.168.16.3\backups) on a FreeBSD system. > > Can you point me to the appropriate documentation? The Handbook mentions > the mount command but I am not sure I can do it using mount? Or can I? > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mount-unmount.html > > Thank you very much in advance! Because "Windows" does not conform to standards, you have to use mount_smbfs. As far as I understood, it doesn't even matter which file system is on the "Windows" disk. I will give an example. First, set up those in your /etc/fstab (makes things more easy): //Administrator@NTWS2KXX/a$ /smb/a smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@NTWS2KXX/c$ /smb/c smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@NTWS2KXX/d$ /smb/d smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@NTWS2KXX/e$ /smb/e smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 //Administrator@NTWS2KXX/f$ /smb/f smbfs rw,noauto 0 0 Then, make /etc/nsmb.conf look like this: [default] workgroup=ARBEITSGRUPPE [NTWS2KXX] addr=192.168.16.3 [NTWS2KXX:Administrator] password= You can then simply issue # mount /smb/c You can check out manpages for: mount_smbfs fstab nsmb.conf Then, I'm sure, how you can add a directory name as you mentioned above (\backups). I think that's possible, too. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 18:52:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E01F1065792 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51158FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (77-254-169-221.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.169.221]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBA68B8028; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:51:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1245955860; bh=AhbShICGmvCeUvbn/U0HMZHSuA5aikIcBqxQl+6g2KQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=db+Ao7tu4CbPyhitAWpUr285/bjKT5o921aLHH7ZzahWLovVTwCbKAm/zbzAQzU0A dXKMXp461F/Pxuxw04qK9mNFFeQXlpD+yS5sukhf17oUY+Bxdyskc7rfYnYiSG5hwY ZgYFTjys6TJMaQw2oRUwO+7PvTVY0VfbdX/JZgMY= Message-ID: <4A43C769.8000700@lcwords.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:52:25 +0200 From: Zbigniew Szalbot User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4A43C2E8.6000602@lcwords.com> <20090625204823.bfe937ef.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090625204823.bfe937ef.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting network NTFS drive on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:52:31 -0000 Polytropon pisze: > Because "Windows" does not conform to standards, you have to use > mount_smbfs. As far as I understood, it doesn't even matter which > file system is on the "Windows" disk. > > I will give an example. Just want to thank you and Manolis for such immediate help! I really appreciate it! Zbigniew Szalbot From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 19:12:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4975106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFBB8FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A20329601B403F5; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4A43CC06.1070706@onetel.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:12:06 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: meslists@yahoo.fr References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> <200906232348.14647.meslists@yahoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200906232348.14647.meslists@yahoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:12:13 -0000 dan wrote: > On Tuesday 23 June 2009 23:21:21 Chris Whitehouse wrote: >> RW wrote: >>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 >>> >>> Chris Whitehouse wrote: >>>> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using >>>> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten >>>> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it >>>> was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or >>>> two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been >>>> down to an individual ports. >>> You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the >>> issues automatically, but not all. >> Not trolling but can you give me some examples? >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Yes. I think there is at least one. Please, consider to correct me if I am > wrong. > > Yesterday, reading the contents of /usr/src/UPDATING in the source tree (using > portupdate-scan) I found : > > "[...] > 20090608: > AFFECTS: users of lang/python* and py-* > AUTHOR: miwi@FreeBSD.org > > The default version of Python has been changed from 2.5.x to 2.6.x. > If you have 2.5.x installed, perform an upgrade of lang/python25 to > lang/python26 with the following command: > [...] > " > Can portmanager know that the default version of a port has been changed and > then you need to do the upgrade to the newer major version ? I don't know. I will put testing it on my todo list (which I really do hope to get around to :) Chris > > And if it can know that... can also portmanager know that > > "[...] > Once the installed Python has been updated to 2.6, by using the > method above, it is required to run the upgrade-site-packages target in > lang/python to assure that site-packages are made available to the new > Python > version. > > [...] "? > > If, otherwise, using portmanager you end up with a newer version of python 2.5 > (for example)... are you sure that every upgrade in the future will work > flawlessly ? After Reading the UPDATING file a guy will > " > [...] set the PYTHON_DEFAULT_VERSION variable to 'python2.5' without > quotes in make.conf, then go to lang/python and perform the following > command: > [...] > " > will portmanager do the same ? > > > d > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 19:20:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF7D106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD48E8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from [192.168.1.76] (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A20329601B41FCA; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:20:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4A43CDEC.7050602@onetel.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:20:12 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090321) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> <20090624015051.2ee23577@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090624015051.2ee23577@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:20:15 -0000 RW wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:21 +0100 > Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> RW wrote: >>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 >>> Chris Whitehouse wrote: >>> >>>> I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using >>>> ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten >>>> about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever >>>> it was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over >>>> one or two quite major changes and not had any problems that >>>> haven't been down to an individual ports. >>> You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the >>> issues automatically, but not all. >> Not trolling but can you give me some examples? > > Many of of the entries aren't solely to do with guiding > portmaster/portupgrade through the upgrade, they may also involve > migrating configuration or user data, or performing other > administrative tasks. > > Portmanger does cope with most of the "portupgrade -o" and > "portupgrade -r" entries, although sometime it will need to be run (or > rerun) in pristine-mode. just curious, do you know this because you know how they all work or have you tried them. And how does portmaster fit in? Does it use the same 'leaf-nodes first' algorithm as portmanager? > > However, it doesn't always work correctly when software has been > repackaged because this can create temporary unrecorded conflicts > which are difficult for any tool to deal with. If you see any > instructions to remove packages before upgrading, it's prudent to follow > them. Thanks, I'll pay more attention. Maybe I got lucky in the past. Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 19:54:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AD1106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90ED28FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so111826yxe.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:54:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=XzTRgv14WqD/ctNTqWqq2W5jUoUtq0/2g0sK9Jy0eoU=; b=YMVFm7lKVqJDaujwh+qJX7Er8dlcP5JrHjL/h8WQ4QUP/RycgKirY//KcICLPbT1jC d+Ez32kWQayQ/MLYpWSrpszRYNzmRKxyZABWf3B8BZOjtAVbxsQCxLxxDdIt1KC/nr1p 4cS0TvcOaJYhAp/tpOlorfmtlKq2mGnaXCYTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=S8J+5geSHRGMsm6sUE7My8ddUSB+du7/qT4noxkAWZ1dBA6QqZpAnB6Ylz4EzNU4op ySkf7QjF7iLe01IJIyOB/MZ4LFx1epOW+7fjUatrjqf0boDoQLW8BSw2oBRjlZ6nUxIJ bej3vDcC2Y9QVvUbScIKiWFAgXOl8IiposHlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.128.5 with SMTP id f5mr5357361ybn.36.1245959697074; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0906251254m1a5ccd9do6479f71310f831b@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: vde2 tap brings down external networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:54:58 -0000 I'm trying to network a couple of qemu vm together and to the outside world. After much pain and gnashing of teeth I found a setup that works temporarily. I start both vm's with a command similar to this: vde_switch -hub -tap /dev/tap0 chmod -R 666 /var/run/vde.ctl vdeqemu -vga cirrus -localtime -hda linux-boot-0.img -hdb linux-boot-1.img \ -hdc linux-data-0.img -hdd linux-data-1.img -m 392 -boot c -kernel-kqemu ipfw divert and natd are present. ifconfig looks like this: midco# ifconfig xl0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=9 ether 00:04:76:d2:50:25 media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP (10baseT/UTP ) status: active nfe0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=19b ether 00:04:4b:04:01:28 inet 208.107.54.67 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 208.107.55.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether e6:56:26:6d:f8:f8 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 member: nfe0 flags=143 ifmaxaddr 0 port 2 priority 128 path cost 200000 ipfw show: midco# ipfw show 65535 1483037 1334261656 allow ip from any to any once I add tap0 to bridge0 I have only a few minutes to access my external network. Once it goes down, I am unable to revive via normal methods eg /etc/rc.d/netif restart && /etc/rc.d/routed restart. Anything going to external network timeouts, but tap/vm stuff is great. Even destroying vm's/bridge/tap and bringing everything up doesn't restore networking, I have to reboot. netstat -nr looks the same before and after. midco# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 208.107.54.1 UGS 0 591581 nfe0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 24 lo0 192.168.0.0/24 link#4 UC 0 0 bridge 208.107.54.0/23 link#2 UC 0 0 nfe0 208.107.54.1 00:13:5f:05:e3:d9 UHLW 2 0 nfe0 1198 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UHL lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#3 UHL lo0 ff01:3::/32 fe80::1%lo0 UC lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 UC lo0 /var/log/messages only had arp stuff relating to bridge which I suppressed. Thanks, PS bring up qemu networking in multicast mode to achieve this hangs my cable modem. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 20:13:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CC2106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53158FC1E for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so131545yxe.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:13:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MIOtAPWXiiyMD07Z1QsuLWSL89YSam2qSMAjBXLnVFw=; b=PoHrylGZAr+rS+9XBV9dcVwXgA/wlA2eKl67w6LZDXGUlmdKh9HcS39sVkid0SfHEN 3NGg3141jQ5g4IMJ58GyL5zcHfabdLFidQIIEhSwGY8x2V3IUhKOxx6kHSCWQ7HoecPW ewFn4Aq7C75oyrAG63/IFAqCbwn+Un8rC8MeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KmGg+KqXj7HPw9XxxLm8DwVP7Gqp7dSPxsQlexnY3oSqTHfqSNqmdG8dASzr+id/UV QBdpWySqs0lp0H9NlA//w5KsFuUJB2YUYRX6hwz/tINl6bMJgbLOd4Y+yGSF1rSyqo1J g/uy37ZsVvzboruba1za6/78UXTySz5QK2Hdo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.55.3 with SMTP id d3mr2376729aga.100.1245960821374; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:13:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:13:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: rob1940@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Gimp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:13:42 -0000 2009/6/23 Rob Hurle : > freebsd [22:07] ~>gimp & > [1] 3696 > freebsd [22:09] ~> > [1] =A0 =A0Segmentation fault =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0gimp > freebsd [22:09] ~> > > If I run as root, there is no problem: > > freebsd [22:09] ~>sudo gimp & > [1] 3700 > freebsd [22:10] ~> > [1] =A0+ Suspended (tty output) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sudo gimp > freebsd [22:10] ~>fg > sudo gimp > Password: > > freebsd [22:11] ~> > > It starts OK and I can use it fine. =A0The config file ".gimp-2.6" is > saved in root's home directory. =A0I've tried RTFM, but there is no > information on this problem. =A0Maybe it's due to some library having > the wrong permissions and I should search the system for files with > 544 permissions or something. =A0Does anyone have a clue as to what's > going on, or should I report a bug? =A0Thanks heaps. > Have you removed ~/.gimp-* directories (if you don't have any custom settings saved yet)? Or at least checked the ownership of said directory trees? --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 20:31:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FAB1065674 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com (mail-gx0-f210.google.com [209.85.217.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6138FC16 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1856330gxk.19 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gbFFL6tHN+vVEkKXR5C4WLBRMft7LPmmzWxFJ8qpXDo=; b=W4xUGSDA9lQ8au9a4DMm4ldt3Ga4rEMlPW3M0Et9Sr9oPRuwk4Zy0vC91RgnrUd591 T61NQaf8xmg9k2wKNsVGo69d6gLZWzw8mR8E99WxYP5AkL3egy8BjbHLaHMZOD7akTPK XvjHQNPV15tcCr520Hqfm7d1JQp/cV+B8tJ3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PDEBUrFxxRlZiPUy4OD3lMLFKW3CZNW67ILLFmzKlxgbMVNgy2x4EesAjUUMowAlw6 SdQQgoFeA/VrTn2IQsNvFJzDBloOu5GRiOD2wx6T3/pP6vp2l8MM2OajkoDP2V6OBXK1 knJbHGGGyXy0Wob8YK0hMwzlcK/O62LH5Q9hU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.112.6 with SMTP id p6mr5292673ybm.284.1245961902994; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:31:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:31:42 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: rob1940@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Gimp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:31:44 -0000 On 6/23/09, Rob Hurle wrote: > Due to some meteorological disasters I've had to replace my 6.1 > FreeBSD system and I've installed 7.2 on the refurbished i386 > computer: > > freebsd [22:03] ~>uname -a > FreeBSD freebsd.connect-a.com.au 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: > Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 > > My desktop is KDE Version 4.2.2 (not yet sure that this is an > improvement over the previous version). I'm starting to re-install > software using portupgrade (portinstall). I've a few problems with > that, but I'll leave that to another post. The immediate problem is > that I've used portinstall to install gimp (picture processing > software) which I was happily using on the previous version. It > installs OK (after a fearful amount of time) but when I start it, I > get a segmentation fault: > > freebsd [22:07] ~>gimp & > [1] 3696 > freebsd [22:09] ~> > [1] Segmentation fault gimp > freebsd [22:09] ~> > > If I run as root, there is no problem: > > freebsd [22:09] ~>sudo gimp & > [1] 3700 > freebsd [22:10] ~> > [1] + Suspended (tty output) sudo gimp > freebsd [22:10] ~>fg > sudo gimp > Password: > > freebsd [22:11] ~> > > It starts OK and I can use it fine. The config file ".gimp-2.6" is > saved in root's home directory. I've tried RTFM, but there is no > information on this problem. Maybe it's due to some library having > the wrong permissions and I should search the system for files with > 544 permissions or something. Does anyone have a clue as to what's > going on, or should I report a bug? Thanks heaps. > > Rob Hurle Rob, Any chance you're using something like Kerberos, *SQL, LDAP, NIS, or some other remote database to login to your system? Is it all local users, or are they all from remote? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 20:32:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE73106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from cork.barragry.com (cork.barragry.com [72.232.202.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ABA8FC23 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: by cork.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1006) id D0DDF1D7F76; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:32:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:32:31 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20090625203231.GA8436@barragry.com> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906251328.55846.erich@apsara.com.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906251328.55846.erich@apsara.com.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:32:32 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:28:54PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On 25 June 2009 pm 13:03:01 Manish Jain wrote: > > > If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're going > > > to have to come up with some concrete reasons for doing so, > > > not just make a (long and hyperbolic) statement that you > > > don't like it. > > > > requirements of being interactive. That's one reason. Secondly, > > how many times does an average commandline user even think of > > using ed when he needs to edit a file, even in the extreme case > > where there are no alternatives ? > > > isn't there ee in the base system? ee is in /usr/bin, just like vi. > > Till the improvements are in place, we need the alternative of > > having vi under /bin rather than /usr/bin. > > > I do not see any reason to have a monster like vi there. I agree, but for different reasons. Though I love vi(m), I realize that not everyone does. If the point of all of this is to provide an editor which can be used by just about anyone in the event that /usr is unavailable, vi will not fit the bill any more than ex will. ee is a better start, and it's conveniently 1/5 the size of vi. > > But I guess my words are of no use when the people who matter > > just won't listen. So I give any hopes in this regard. > > I hope that they do not listen. > > It would be even better to have an editor like joe in /bin than > anything like vi. Certainly. Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 20:50:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA862106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com (mail-gx0-f210.google.com [209.85.217.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F058FC15 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so1874480gxk.19 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4vxzBW3Y7/nTaoTPXKLuN5yCrCdI9tZKKn/tObxPAK8=; b=ctcsFkCVOHbWsHc2DID7KPMDRVY2Z1O7m396e4sQJFnya06VCSdbZhiGSyBOSrrGi2 RKJ3KrFXWkwxCOOKH6tzyBKQh8nJG4XKUUevRDUkuLppbkw71EOAO5A4It0MhFjihHQh WXDTGpRG2YfZ11GUHiaOM0n1kWaQQklnDiHQE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uA3MZKVrE1dfXFYJ/v7UsqaC1MputIjGorctyYn7QTJmeW4K5oVpaO7vZyFg5qvdgw yw9SZlC12SHJrK7Op8zPMxIpstAtikBy3RNK4UkvYQxYYpqWL18gFtCtSa4B40F3bDUd Gihxq5JObqKCBzCDSfNe83jvTIz5+MP2QamiE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.143.8 with SMTP id v8mr5363316ybn.267.1245963002000; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:50:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Konrad Heuer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:50:03 -0000 > 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran code on a silly > rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, and one can learn basics of > ed in less than a hour. Don't you think so? > Not when editors like ee and vi are available and more spoken of in today's topics. And I know it was mentioned, but the OP seems to have ignored or refused to acknowledge /rescue/vi which is in the / partition as it's defaulted partitioned. Why are we still talking about /usr/bin/vi (dynamically linked) when /rescue/vi (statically linked) is both in / and would work for us? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 21:01:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BEA1065675 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rswood@therandymon.com) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EF18FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rswood@therandymon.com) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA02381896 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:01:27 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: gD54WFBWXXuqOqhuK6qr5l7bAR/Jg/fNp+3hep/8nlrV 1245963687 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [41.223.248.193]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23EAD47AFF for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Randall Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:01:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> In-Reply-To: <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906252201.25178.rswood@therandymon.com> Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:28 -0000 On Thursday 25 June 2009 05:16:12 pm Peter Giessel wrote: > >I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I can't > >find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? > > Vector formats (which would allow you to produce any resolution you want) > are available here: > http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html Isn't there some sort of restriction on how the logo can be used? I wrote a +post for my website about FreeBSD (PC-BSD, actually) and went looking for the +FreeBSD. I recall there some restrictions on Daemon. Or are those days over? One of my favorite looking mascots, by the way. What a cutie. 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Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C121C8FC0C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9A137E357 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:56:41 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: YGbTqd5mdR+LweMxKtnZhEIYGl32PJScKB2+Bt+ahR1z 1245963400 Received: from koala.therandymon.com (unknown [41.223.248.193]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 525B377D0 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:56:36 +0100 From: Randall Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090625205635.GA4080@koala> References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:15:39 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:16:12AM -0800, Peter Giessel wrote: > >I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I can't > >find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? > > Vector formats (which would allow you to produce any resolution you want) > are available here: > http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html Isn't there some sort of restriction on how the logo can be used? I wrote a post for my website about FreeBSD (PC-BSD, actually) and went looking for the FreeBSD. I recall there some restrictions on Daemon. Or are those days over? One of my favorite looking mascots, by the way. What a cutie. 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Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy.belk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8133D8FC4A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy.belk@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so253798yxe.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Gjs6xBtzS/UtqRR3KH167odNwB5MA1CtQMZcBacF28=; b=QBtpa6zSrSa/yhk40xRA6YkImb9flKAmSq7TFB2HPkzHxZNzuWoWBYv/DuCA0I1EXQ /byhukFzPVAE/rzcd0Crru46wdn55Po+lKkkuy4dsSCInpp6uJ46m5NtG5ssT01S2UeP hMpk86B6cBQ99lf1iZL/8u1TUojMYnZrz3u+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UeJLyaQdIf4m0evkFicjTBlM6Y6Q6wKF5fxRWKXsFISjBw4uf5DNAoiiZtabgIpELE IH/oJWojdIVhUW3ZSw53HCic4AQK6DB4L8k95UOHQlEOu/dlwkacshBDfX8xdefcLI3H eiSopmHpLDO8Z/Dcws59sCDWvAceOrA9/tND8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.158.21 with SMTP id k21mr5418468ybo.298.1245967826390; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <946140ad0906251456k4f4eb14h829439adae8b9e71@mail.gmail.com> References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> <20090625205635.GA4080@koala> <946140ad0906251456k4f4eb14h829439adae8b9e71@mail.gmail.com> From: Randy Belk Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: <946140ad0906251510q71a3004ds4811d3ec3a65e621@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:10:29 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Randy Belk wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Randall Wood wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:16:12AM -0800, Peter Giessel wrote: >>> >I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I c= an't >>> >find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? >>> >>> Vector formats (which would allow you to produce any resolution you wan= t) >>> are available here: >>> http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html >> >> Isn't there some sort of restriction on how the logo can be used? =A0I w= rote a post for my website about FreeBSD (PC-BSD, actually) and went lookin= g for the FreeBSD. =A0I recall there some restrictions on Daemon. =A0Or are= those days over? >> >> One of my favorite looking mascots, by the way. =A0What a cutie. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > > The BSD Daemon is Copyrighted by Marshall Kirk McKusick, see > http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html. > I contacted Mr. McKusick, and his response is below > > > > -- > - Amiga, The Computer for the creative Mind! > - UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a > genius to understand the simplicity. > - People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX us= e BSD. > Sorry guys, I thought I attached the file but I guess I didn't. Anyway here is my correspondence with him. This was concerning my FreeBSD Wallpaper site, http://picasaweb.google.com/randy.belk/FreeBSDWallpaper. Sorry for the plug, ;-) Mr. McKusick's response: > Mr. McKusick, > > I have the site back up and I have also added that your > are the copyright holder of the BSD Daemon on the top > right of the page. > > I am providing these to the FreeBSD community for free! Your usage of the BSD Daemon in this context is acceptable. Please note however that many of the variations that are used on the wallpaper designs are not owned by me. They have been created by other people and I do not have the right to grant your use of those variations on the BSD Daemon. When you grab a wallpaper to add to your collection you should ensure that the person that you got it from allows it to be redistributed. Marshall Kirk McKusick --=20 - Amiga, The Computer for the creative Mind! - UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. - People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use = BSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:17:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383ED106564A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy.belk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BEF8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:17:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy.belk@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so260656yxe.3 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/yAWpdg5Odbj9krCAnhPGZdG6s5UMapzBKrnWL63fEQ=; b=l/YTEMwBMf5MG0zcdyiTbPq4QtK9Xdby8LJO66GATQwT9U4sLL4mdFGsCvGakd+aPs kI1Od4cbD+aKDXGgYMOa8Cuh6Mi5DGomOm9Cq7ZNE9vzrGNkrYwGP9kXSdzD3B+1B4R4 pgqcbgg3B7ze0QyeL6ypE/0jwbqc7izOR7G0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RM8x4BDUzb/JKgEhHTwtUQC/UrZy66tOkNX2i6S/mAFFX9kGcBFG0BNNWXEAiVQdju 9d9q9Krovg4qblOR3FI8D6GcbRabZxejAPzVQDJBqa3JlsVbnZuaDF063OuNDf8FseXe 8zUta/tuxOy7TUFyT5RGTkQzUfj8vIcWks5A0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.152.3 with SMTP id z3mr5523140ybd.112.1245966996094; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:56:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090625205635.GA4080@koala> References: <443bf0390906250745l6d903bbyef5fb3af33f6e10f@mail.gmail.com> <6977704013013037072856336532379898850-Webmail@me.com> <20090625205635.GA4080@koala> From: Randy Belk Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:56:16 -0500 Message-ID: <946140ad0906251456k4f4eb14h829439adae8b9e71@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:17:12 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Randall Wood wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 08:16:12AM -0800, Peter Giessel wrote: >> >I want to make a t-shirt with the caption "The Power to Serve" but I ca= n't >> >find it in a good resolution. Can you send it to me? >> >> Vector formats (which would allow you to produce any resolution you want= ) >> are available here: >> http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html > > Isn't there some sort of restriction on how the logo can be used? =A0I wr= ote a post for my website about FreeBSD (PC-BSD, actually) and went looking= for the FreeBSD. =A0I recall there some restrictions on Daemon. =A0Or are = those days over? > > One of my favorite looking mascots, by the way. =A0What a cutie. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > The BSD Daemon is Copyrighted by Marshall Kirk McKusick, see http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html. I contacted Mr. McKusick, and his response is below --=20 - Amiga, The Computer for the creative Mind! - UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. - People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use = BSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:34:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D03106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920468FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1362262ewy.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:34:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w9L3EbFOZ+YlqIdnK/6q/VsmZ3ujfrEP4GrfU3/pMqo=; b=lMp88+C0jIUcj0vs6g1YmTFpeoiYR3ezlCTLwKzvvwVaQ+DD1gt78v2tqU5zptSFJg wIgBPr0NKyRl/RsaE9swM0xq2OClvWr4U7M18OvyqV72I8SH3EaeiHqXQXaFI3FrW/lG +AwXMzzwDHva4z+MIz19L4vVocfADCrkQAyss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=h89X/p28QCNqniOxbISBR5OLmYwrVJJZ9RxqvdvNrIms1IAl0BGN1hYgQjpRruZufK h1+ndXwGyD9VH5/m30/nhtK3Js9COdLgaL2sWDkgtqtRREQCOIeDyFH6Z4sJaFnS1ayF EjM0ueoR3qp1SrpLUhYklr/TVnSXIlDUfUxOE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.29.213 with SMTP id i63mr974247wea.90.1245969262588; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:34:24 -0000 Looked for mkisofs in the online FreeBSD man pages, but couldn't find it. What is modern equivalent? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:39:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976C1065686 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710758FC19 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:39:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from gluon.draftnet (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 81DC08AF1; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:39:27 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090625233927.60eded03@gluon.draftnet> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:39:41 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:22 -0400 Daniel Underwood wrote: > Looked for mkisofs in the online FreeBSD man pages, but couldn't find > it. What is modern equivalent? It's in the sysutils/cdrtools port. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:40:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21D810656D7 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CC68FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD603CCE3; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5PMe4Fr003044; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:40:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:40:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Daniel Underwood Message-Id: <20090626004004.5cf19d6b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:40:12 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:22 -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Looked for mkisofs in the online FreeBSD man pages, but couldn't find > it. What is modern equivalent? Ther is no "modern equivalent" - mkisofs is the tool of choice, and it's very modern because it does the job well which it is intended for. Anyway, it does not belong to the base OS, so it needs to be installed by the port / package "cdrtools". More information via "man mkisofs" is available then. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:50:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EA91065673 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8468FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1372185ewy.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:50:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uyfxnlIV1mcwM6/0hdh8LPcX+NdJhafLdHqSy3jdQ3w=; b=DcHHAwz1aAMW/CE3SlWDmzzp3/ZrpnExw/BrJZOk/pZ5u7Q3tc5hGsn/NrPo+ClEwC 666pQpFtsY1NFomTUf6LP8huP2NhLM+OhKxmGFcap3PBP9B9FJBYRYNObjNjKaHYw8hp mw7n8rF6Dyzsg+v9xB/ZZ288GOmlNkL+hRZsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iw3EG+JQvNyc/yEqNtW2k86y3YE+7UNNqm3zosGZdRGI82JR+ynXaW+yMvgNo8klo3 TZrJHmdb9BLJgn7hkDargzgR6im1XgF3gay6Js0rg8eWJlEZJqGDicK63La1ur7pP05M OLCQWsdux35mOaTEQ0XxfufZNnH9N07QYzkkE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.1.205 with SMTP id 55mr926071wed.191.1245970200848; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:50:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090626004004.5cf19d6b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090626004004.5cf19d6b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:50:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:50:02 -0000 Ahh, so searching the manpages at FreeBSD.org (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi) will provide only those entries pertaining to the base OS? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 22:57:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8C106566C for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F028D8FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4466975.home.otenet.gr [94.71.105.15]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n5PMvS2f012397; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:57:28 +0300 Message-ID: <4A4400D8.1030705@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:57:28 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: <20090626004004.5cf19d6b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:57:31 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: > Ahh, so searching the manpages at FreeBSD.org > (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi) will provide only those entries > pertaining to the base OS? > Not if you select "FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE and Ports" Here is the man page you were looking for: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mkisofs&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.2-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 23:12:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354ED1065673 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay08.ispgateway.de (smtprelay08.ispgateway.de [80.67.29.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73688FC08 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [93.135.207.242] (helo=yeti.mininet) by smtprelay08.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MJxoS-0003m7-LV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:53:00 +0200 X-Mailer: emacs 22.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.3.1 From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:55:37 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Df-Sender: 472582 Subject: xfburn fails with 'Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock"' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:12:53 -0000 Hi, I've upgraded my laptop from 6.4 to 7.2-RELEASE. Essentially everything went fine, except that for some reason xfburn no longer works. If I install a package using "portupgrade -f -PP", I see the following at runtime: markus@yeti:/usr/home/markus# xfburn & [1] 47214 markus@yeti:/usr/home/markus# /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /lib/libpthread.so.2: Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock" If I build xfburn in the ports tree, I get the following error at compile time: /usr/bin/ld: warning: libcam.so.3, needed by /usr/local/lib/libburn.so, may conflict with libcam.so.4 /lib/libpthread.so.2: undefined reference to `__malloc_lock' I assume that I somehow managed to botch the 6->7 upgrade, but would anyone know how to fix this particular problem? regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka markus.hoenicka@cats.de (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 25 23:13:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03D81065680 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CFE8FC14 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1384654ewy.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BFd2yD6bnyT6LSNn1PVuH1tIgM2Ar/14/1ghh2BHNi4=; b=ERXUto7nzPeoOyxzR0NERdIg56oWOeW/GkMJI0gVtcnCA8+Y/XuOAzhQ/jUMn2YDbA LMGQUTRbEycHAqRTiDNaV1vZ7MczxlXkK7RMozDUXKRdls61M9gf/UpLo3WS3R3CJAbO Q13asC6kyNVkfL4jvUggmD8VoqxblmKHV1SIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rXc8q7BCP5w+t9vnNp4VG9lFsNPETEvv1xebSzrPuJhKIl3k01UiIksxvHHjdG6Cny 4ftKVuwd2eoCgkg5/Uy32SMxIYnuK6tf/1Z0mi0jO9A/fkdLez7MJ+8KZT4yFwrZIwF2 6uh2iwKPJe1py2Ff3927t73S450ojho3gu8JQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.19.210 with SMTP id n60mr934836wen.107.1245971612086; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4400D8.1030705@otenet.gr> References: <20090626004004.5cf19d6b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A4400D8.1030705@otenet.gr> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:13:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Manolis Kiagias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mkisofs in FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:13:34 -0000 Got it. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 00:02:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A54A106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57778FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1408761ewy.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:02:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ONAcZFp7xMR9QO4J7Lo3Vnls+Dugc6aAnWAbqLCUC4=; b=LVGJIhiAVvKhtaKs2wx6dykHcIAmfgcBUfH0HI3vqzu+7GBvUbQop0LLvutr7WWFT2 Xglk27mqxdcudtmLQ7P2zcS+oTI+/ezZkq8Lcbo/3O9NmUWfpRgjV60PZdrVZIn2lgLC o8KvZtpwEltpX07tgFuE19EGQTQ16b2NJNd8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GF1saw7k8lgEymf4VX2NK3nVJ/69Z9HYVBhgYkxJI3fWx6il4ClyOQaSS9a2/Lp7xG QJVSHZAiQJSc2pNB+73P/441YzV8g0mYIYb4zQKFwofRZiomh7qx+CZtSwAe+bnlC2Ok xh+1026wsAwF2MQfOd0QAKQj7KMARMK1Cng7s= Received: by 10.210.62.3 with SMTP id k3mr1070946eba.47.1245974562059; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm721164eyg.2.2009.06.25.17.02.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:02:38 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090626010238.525398b6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4A43CDEC.7050602@onetel.com> References: <200906212038.39370.meslists@yahoo.fr> <4A3FE271.8080201@onetel.com> <20090622214802.0761813e@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A414751.9090804@onetel.com> <20090624015051.2ee23577@gumby.homeunix.com> <4A43CDEC.7050602@onetel.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:02:43 -0000 On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:20:12 +0100 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > RW wrote: > > Portmanger does cope with most of the "portupgrade -o" and > > "portupgrade -r" entries, although sometime it will need to be run > > (or rerun) in pristine-mode. > > just curious, do you know this because you know how they all work or > have you tried them. And how does portmaster fit in? Does it use the > same 'leaf-nodes first' algorithm as portmanager? It's leaf-last, the leaves are on the top of the tree. All the upgrade tools build in dependency order, but portmanager also rebuilds ports that directly depend on the ports it's upgraded (originally it included indirect dependencies, but that's now only done in pristine mode). In other words it, more or less, does the equivalent of "portupgrade -fr" as a matter of course. As regards "portupgrade -o", it depends on the circumstances. In the case of perl5.8 to perl5.10, I would expect that it would continue with perl5.8 until something actually needs perl5.10. It would then detect a conflict, remove perl5.8, install perl5.10 and then rebuild everything that depended on perl5.8. Essentially it would do the right thing. I'm not sure about python, it's bit more complicated, but I would guess it would be similar to perl. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 00:06:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3CF10656A3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363E68FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:06:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4466975.home.otenet.gr [94.71.105.15]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n5Q06XMf027211; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:06:34 +0300 Message-ID: <4A441109.3040308@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:06:33 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090414) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus Hoenicka References: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> In-Reply-To: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xfburn fails with 'Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock"' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:06:37 -0000 Markus Hoenicka wrote: > Hi, > > I've upgraded my laptop from 6.4 to 7.2-RELEASE. Essentially > everything went fine, except that for some reason xfburn no longer > works. If I install a package using "portupgrade -f -PP", I see the > following at runtime: > > markus@yeti:/usr/home/markus# xfburn & > [1] 47214 > markus@yeti:/usr/home/markus# /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /lib/libpthread.so.2: Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock" > > If I build xfburn in the ports tree, I get the following error at > compile time: > > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libcam.so.3, needed by /usr/local/lib/libburn.so, may conflict with libcam.so.4 > /lib/libpthread.so.2: undefined reference to `__malloc_lock' > > I assume that I somehow managed to botch the 6->7 upgrade, but would > anyone know how to fix this particular problem? > > regards, > Markus > Upgrading between major versions requires all installed ports to be rebuilt, so they get linked to the new versions of the libraries. I suppose you missed this step, older apps may still work but there is a problem installing new ones. Please see the instructions at the end of section 24.2.3 (portupgrade etc): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html#FREEBSDUPDATE-UPGRADE These are still applicable even if you used the traditional source-based way of upgrading the base system (instead of freebsd-update) (AFAIR, if you upgraded via source, you will also need to run make delete-old-libs in /usr/src after successfully recompiling ports) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 00:20:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2E11065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444E58FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:20 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> In-Reply-To: <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:20:24 -0000 Hi, On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Manish Jain wrote: > > Maybe you're right, maybe not. > > 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran code > on a silly rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, and one I do not believe you. This must have been 30 years back. Didn't come CP/M 1.0 not even with a better editor? ed? edlin? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 00:24:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2666106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE6E8FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:24:12 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:24:13 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906251328.55846.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090625203231.GA8436@barragry.com> In-Reply-To: <20090625203231.GA8436@barragry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906260824.15069.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Manish Jain , Erik Osterholm , bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:24:15 -0000 Ho, On 26 June 2009 am 04:32:31 Erik Osterholm wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:28:54PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On 25 June 2009 pm 13:03:01 Manish Jain wrote: > > > > If you want to make a case for replacing ed(1), you're > > > > isn't there ee in the base system? > > ee is in /usr/bin, just like vi. > my mistake. To be honest, I never have had a problem with /usr since disks are large enough to have all on only one. Of course, those days, when it was two or more disks in a system and /usr died, it could have helped. > > It would be even better to have an editor like joe in /bin > > than anything like vi. > > Certainly. > Ok, then let us support joe. But isn't there emacs in the ports too? Erich > Erik PS: according to the spelling, you originate from further north than me From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:01:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C561D1065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF868FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by QMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8QHh1c0061vN32cADR1pXt; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:01:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([69.250.45.68]) by OMTA22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8R2d1c00E1UFfxx8iR2fs1; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:02:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4A441DF9.8080403@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:45 -0400 From: "John L. Templer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruben de Groot , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> <20090625114549.GA26683@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20090625114549.GA26683@ei.bzerk.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:01:49 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 01:36:31AM -0400, John L. Templer typed: >> ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as such, >> at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main editors, >> ex, vi, and ed. If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But >> if you were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you >> used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for newbies. >> >> ed is an interactive program because the user "interacts" with it. You >> give it command, it does something, you give it some more commands, it >> does more stuff, etc. Interactive does not mean screen based. > > ed can be used very well non-interactively. > e.g. a script made by diff -e can be piped to it. > > Ruben > > Yes, that's true. Perhaps I misspoke myself. ed can be used both in interactive mode and in a script, which is what I called "command line mode". However it's not correct to say that ed is not an interactive program, as it definitely can be used interactively. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpEHekACgkQjkAlo11skePV5ACcCZaOsxztyNyWIlNBuTMuL/nu FAYAnRiKFxy+nezfkA0I9Q6Nou9Sc2Ve =SEx6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:06:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9761065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA85C8FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58D4EB55C5; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9576450EE; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:52 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVCLYBs6LbiF; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl105-76.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.224.76]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8812C45088; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5Q16p56013844; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5Q16n3t013843; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Erich Dollansky References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090625130725.V13789@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:06:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800") Message-ID: <87zlbvu7km.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:06:54 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: >> Maybe you're right, maybe not. >> >> 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran code >> on a silly rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, and one > > I do not believe you. This must have been 30 years back. As far as 16 years back, VT220/VT320 terminals were in wide use in universities. Some of us learned our first regexp stuff by reading the source of ed(1) and typing small programs in those terminals. vi(1) was available for a long time before 1993, but this doesn't mean other editors had died out by then :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:07:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AD71065689 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605258FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643DC16C0025; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:07:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5Q170FE004390; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:07:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:07:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20090626030700.c68b690e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906260824.15069.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906251328.55846.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090625203231.GA8436@barragry.com> <200906260824.15069.erich@apsara.com.sg> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:07:10 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:24:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > To be honest, I never have had a problem with /usr since disks are > large enough to have all on only one. Mostly, partitioning according to directory structures has nothing to do with disk space, but with intention. There are many many arguments pro and contra partitioning. It's a matter of intention. > > > It would be even better to have an editor like joe in /bin > > > than anything like vi. > > > > Certainly. > > > Ok, then let us support joe. Or the Midnight Commander's editor, mcedit. :-) The good thing about vi - yes, there is such a thing - is the fact that it even works completely under the weirdest circumstances, e. g. if you are on a terminal line that does not have cursor keys or function keys, then you can still use the full power of vi, as long as you know how to master it, but that's true for anything in the UNIX world. > But isn't there emacs in the ports too? Sure, let's take emacs into the OS, as well as any other editor one could imagine. And because most people like graphical applications, let's include OpenOffice for editing configuration files in maintenance mode. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:23:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FE51065675 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1758FC20 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from green_tiger@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8Q7L1c0030EZKEL55R9yCH; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:09:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([69.250.45.68]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8R9w1c00B1UFfxx3MR9xrb; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:09:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4A441FE4.3070604@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:09:56 -0400 From: "John L. Templer" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> <4a432627.nNXzKFb0uYX/7NBi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4a432627.nNXzKFb0uYX/7NBi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:23:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as >> such, at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main >> editors, ex, vi, and ed. > > ed goes back at least as far as the Bell Labs 6th Edition (PDP-11), > where it was the only editor in the distribution. ex and vi (and > termcap, without which there would be no vi) were written later, at > UC Berkeley. > >> If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But if you >> were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you >> used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for >> newbies. > > More like, ed was the "original" Unix editor; ex and vi presumably > were inspired, at least in part, by a desire to improve on ed's > limitations. I doubt I'm the only one who muttered about the bother > of horsing around with ed, back when there was nothing else. > Ah, I didn't know that. When I started using Unix (on a BSD 4.2 system) vi was the editor of choice. It wasn't until much later that I learned about the ATT side of Unix. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpEH+IACgkQjkAlo11skeOOrwCbBrOYlc7+bHDOgKvHiLedCQof w3AAniMByMDTGAIEbWzTd+oTNVgB6VoU =0dSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:50:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA19B106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2891B8FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:32 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:31 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> <87zlbvu7km.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87zlbvu7km.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:50:44 -0000 Hi, On 26 June 2009 am 09:06:49 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: > >> Maybe you're right, maybe not. > >> > >> 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran > >> code on a silly rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, > >> and one > > > > I do not believe you. This must have been 30 years back. > > As far as 16 years back, VT220/VT320 terminals were in wide use > in universities. Some of us learned our first regexp stuff by not only there, but ed was not the editor of choice even those days anymore. > reading the source of ed(1) and typing small programs in those > terminals. vi(1) was available for a long time before 1993, > but this doesn't mean other editors had died out by then :) If I remember right, I used something like ed only in the Seventies. A collegue programmed then even a WordStar clone for RSX to have a nice editor. Of course, only for VT-100 Terminals. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:56:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517E41065673 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948A78FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:55:48 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Polytropon Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:55:48 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260824.15069.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626030700.c68b690e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090626030700.c68b690e.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:56:00 -0000 Hi, On 26 June 2009 am 09:07:00 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:24:13 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > To be honest, I never have had a problem with /usr since > > disks are large enough to have all on only one. > > Mostly, partitioning according to directory structures has > nothing to do with disk space, but with intention. There are > many many arguments pro and contra partitioning. It's a matter > of intention. > this is not what I mean. I wanted to say, as long as the boot disk come up, I also have /usr available when I have the space to have it all on the same disk. That /usr does not have to be on the same disk, is a different question. If I do this, I will also be aware of the consequences. > > > > It would be even better to have an editor like joe in > > > > /bin than anything like vi. > > > > > > Certainly. > > > > Ok, then let us support joe. > > Or the Midnight Commander's editor, mcedit. :-) > > The good thing about vi - yes, there is such a thing - is the > fact that it even works completely under the weirdest > circumstances, e. g. if you are on a terminal line that does > not have cursor keys or function keys, then you can still > use the full power of vi, as long as you know how to master > it, but that's true for anything in the UNIX world. > Aren't all - or at least most - of the Unix editors like this? > > But isn't there emacs in the ports too? > > Sure, let's take emacs into the OS, as well as any other editor > one could imagine. And because most people like graphical > applications, let's include OpenOffice for editing > configuration files in maintenance mode. :-) Yes, this is the idea of the ideas. But why don't we take Microsoft Word running under wine? I mean, if we strike, we should have a real strike. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 01:56:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDAD1065678 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985A18FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C678AEB5681; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF74A4509B; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:17 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uw70ypstcrrX; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl105-76.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.224.76]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7942745088; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:17 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5Q1uGAO014146; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5Q1uGnb014145; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Erich Dollansky References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> <87zlbvu7km.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:56:15 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:31 +0800") Message-ID: <87eit7sqps.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:56:19 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:31 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On 26 June 2009 am 09:06:49 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> As far as 16 years back, VT220/VT320 terminals were in wide use >> in universities. Some of us learned our first regexp stuff by > > not only there, but ed was not the editor of choice even those > days anymore. Heh, true. I only later found out though, when a local admin hit me in the head with a SunOS vi manual. I've lost contact with him a long time ago, but boy am I glad he pointed me at those SunOS manuals... > If I remember right, I used something like ed only in the Seventies. Ouch! :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 02:02:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F3E1065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84588FC15 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2932E3CBF8; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:02:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5Q22U7c004947; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:02:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:02:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260824.15069.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626030700.c68b690e.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:02:39 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:55:48 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > this is not what I mean. I wanted to say, as long as the boot disk > come up, I also have /usr available when I have the space to have > it all on the same disk. I see. The fact that /usr isn't available after booting in maintenance mode (SUM) is often important for recovery purposes. The OS leaves it to the admin to take such important decisions. :-) > > The good thing about vi - yes, there is such a thing - is the > > fact that it even works completely under the weirdest > > circumstances, e. g. if you are on a terminal line that does > > not have cursor keys or function keys, then you can still > > use the full power of vi, as long as you know how to master > > it, but that's true for anything in the UNIX world. > > > Aren't all - or at least most - of the Unix editors like this? I think most of them are. But, for example, I don't think that the mcedit (Midnight Commander's editor) is very usable without cursor and function keys... > > > But isn't there emacs in the ports too? > > > > Sure, let's take emacs into the OS, as well as any other editor > > one could imagine. And because most people like graphical > > applications, let's include OpenOffice for editing > > configuration files in maintenance mode. :-) > > Yes, this is the idea of the ideas. > > But why don't we take Microsoft Word running under wine? > > I mean, if we strike, we should have a real strike. That's a very good suggestion. But let's take into mind that we do need the most advanced and modern MICROS~1 technology, so FreeBSD should include a pirated copy of "Windows 7" in order to run the latest and most expensive pirated copy of "Office", programmed in Java, running through "Flash". With music. And dancing puppies. If - then real. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 02:31:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7307E106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CD88FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:31:00 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Polytropon Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:30:56 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261030.58618.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:31:11 -0000 Hi, On 26 June 2009 am 10:02:30 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:55:48 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > this is not what I mean. I wanted to say, as long as the boot > > disk come up, I also have /usr available when I have the > > space to have it all on the same disk. > > I see. The fact that /usr isn't available after booting in > maintenance mode (SUM) is often important for recovery > purposes. The OS leaves it to the admin to take such important > decisions. :-) > yes, but then he or she knows why certain things on certain places unlike those day when it has had to be on those places. > > Yes, this is the idea of the ideas. > > > > But why don't we take Microsoft Word running under wine? > > > > I mean, if we strike, we should have a real strike. > > That's a very good suggestion. But let's take into mind that we > do need the most advanced and modern MICROS~1 technology, so > FreeBSD should include a pirated copy of "Windows 7" in order > to run the latest and most expensive pirated copy of "Office", > programmed in Java, running through "Flash". With music. And > dancing puppies. > > If - then real. :-) Yes, this is the best suggestion up to date. > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany Solltest Du jetzt nicht schlafen? Hier scheint wenigstens die Sonne. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 02:34:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E1A106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:34:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B668FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:57 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Polytropon Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:56 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:34:10 -0000 On 26 June 2009 am 10:02:30 Polytropon wrote: > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany big brother is watching me. An xterm just came up with this message: "The default editor in FreeBSD is vi, which is efficient to use when you have learned it, but somewhat user-unfriendly. To use ee (an easier but less powerful editor) instead, set the environment variable EDITOR to /usr/bin/ee" Isn't this the best reasoning why it should stay as it is? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 02:58:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BCF1065675 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357948FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD173CBDF; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:58:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5Q2w8kZ005113; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:58:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:58:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260955.50697.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626040230.18f606b1.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 02:58:16 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky w= rote: >=20 > On 26 June 2009 am 10:02:30 Polytropon wrote: > > Polytropon > > From Magdeburg, Germany >=20 > big brother is watching me. Yes, Dr. Sch=E4uble does so. :-) > An xterm just came up with this message: >=20 > "The default editor in FreeBSD is vi, which is efficient to use=20 > when you have learned it, but somewhat user-unfriendly. To use=20 > ee (an easier but less powerful editor) instead, set the=20 > environment variable EDITOR to /usr/bin/ee" >=20 > Isn't this the best reasoning why it should stay as it is? The ee editor isn't that bad. Especially ^K and ^L are more easy to use than vi's edit buffer equivalent. While there's ed and ex in /rescue, ee isn't. % which ee | xargs ldd /usr/bin/ee: libncurses.so.7 =3D> /lib/libncurses.so.7 (0x28088000) libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x280c6000) Relies on ncurses, but so does dialog / sysinstall... --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 03:55:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450451065686 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B3D8FC27 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B997E837; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:55:12 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:55:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> In-Reply-To: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906251955.11905.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Markus Hoenicka Subject: Re: xfburn fails with 'Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock"' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:55:15 -0000 On Thursday 25 June 2009 14:55:37 Markus Hoenicka wrote: > I've upgraded my laptop from 6.4 to 7.2-RELEASE. Essentially > everything went fine, except that for some reason xfburn no longer > works. If I install a package using "portupgrade -f -PP" -PP will fail if for some reason the package is not available on the servers. It is better to use -P when crossing major releases, so that any restricted packages that are unavailable on the buildservers are built from source. I suspect this is the root of the problem, though they look to be available: $ curl --silent --list-only \ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.2-release/All/|\ grep -E '(lib|xf)burn' libburn-0.6.4.tbz xfburn-0.4.1.tbz Without a log it's hard to tell what went wrong. Perhaps portupgrade found the package locally in $PACKAGES (/usr/ports/packages by default) and decided not to download it. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:01:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448981065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f209.google.com (mail-px0-f209.google.com [209.85.216.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277CF8FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by pxi22 with SMTP id 22so107540pxi.19 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.151.4 with SMTP id y4mr163444wad.12.1245987480514; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:00 +0000 From: af300wsm@gmail.com To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:01:51 -0000 Hi, Just today I found the marvel of LaTeX while looking over a quick how-to for LaTeX. I was using a Linux system at work and would like to install it on my FreeBSD system at home since I've been looking for something like this for exchanging math questions I have with a friend who's helping me understand mathematics as I pursue my degree. LaTeX is just what I've been looking for. However, when I went to find the port by doing "make search name=latex" I was returned so many hits, frankly, I'm overwhelmed. What do I need to install from ports to get the LaTeX "language" on my system, show the markup using the native DVI and more importantly, write pdf file from the markup? The tutorial I was going off of was using something called pdftex I think, but not sure. I sent myself a link to the tutorial so I wouldn't have to remember. Oh, it should be obvious, but what do I need to make sure of so that I've got all of the math rendering capability at my fingertips? There's just so much there. Obviously, LaTeX is much more than I thought it was. I'm looking forward to understanding it more. Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:03:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82537106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC0B8FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:03:24 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:03:21 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261203.23172.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Manish Jain , bf1783@googlemail.com, Erik Osterholm Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:03:28 -0000 Hi, On 26 June 2009 am 10:58:08 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:33:56 +0800, Erich Dollansky=20 wrote: > > On 26 June 2009 am 10:02:30 Polytropon wrote: > > > Polytropon > > > From Magdeburg, Germany > > > > big brother is watching me. > > Yes, Dr. Sch=E4uble does so. :-) > yeah, he rolls but he does not rock.. > The ee editor isn't that bad. Especially ^K and ^L are more > easy to use than vi's edit buffer equivalent. > What kind of editor do you need for rescue? Just edit one or two=20 lines in some config file to allow the full system to start=20 again. Rescue does not need an editor programmers are used to edit their=20 source files. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:10:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA89F1065679 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADF58FC25 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D9D16C022C; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:10:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5Q4AF4n005398; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:10:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:10:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: af300wsm@gmail.com Message-Id: <20090626061015.b2d8ddf5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> References: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:10:18 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:38:00 +0000, af300wsm@gmail.com wrote: > for LaTeX. I was using a Linux system at work and would like to install it > on my FreeBSD system at home since I've been looking for something like > this for exchanging math questions I have with a friend who's helping me > understand mathematics as I pursue my degree. LaTeX is just what I've been > looking for. However, when I went to find the port by doing "make search > name=latex" I was returned so many hits, frankly, I'm overwhelmed. What do > I need to install from ports to get the LaTeX "language" on my system, show > the markup using the native DVI and more importantly, write pdf file from > the markup? The easiest way is to install teTeX via package. # pkg_add -r teTeX You can then use "latex" and "pdflatex" commands from your tex source files. > The tutorial I was going off of was using something called > pdftex I think, but not sure. tex <-> latex == pdftex <-> pdflatex. :-) > There's just so much there. Obviously, LaTeX is much more than I thought it > was. I'm looking forward to understanding it more. LaTeX is a professional typesetting system which can be (ab)used to do everything imaginable. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:12:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72540106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2965B8FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5AF16C0269; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:12:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5Q4Bv8e005415; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:11:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:11:57 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906261203.23172.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906261203.23172.erich@apsara.com.sg> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Erik Osterholm , Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:12:05 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:03:21 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > What kind of editor do you need for rescue? Just edit one or two > lines in some config file to allow the full system to start > again. > > Rescue does not need an editor programmers are used to edit their > source files. I won't say anything different. For the usual "maintenance and get the damn thing working again" tasks the /rescue editor, especially vi, should be enough. Commands are i, a, and :wq. >From my experience, I can't remember to have used anything else. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:14:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CB6106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:14:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEFB8FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so1716636bwz.43 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:14:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/6k9XdKkBfyri+nhomMb54If965JmnQWg1F2O40Vg94=; b=qH43+XqBlxmbVok5/ijmB/SMykrbBPkr9izJV9dL+PZ1zZHNqG8wZ6BdocTPnAOOXk fg3ubmgsl8lGuuaDni80OFJLATKICk4OJ7XD8rBQ+YpblewhBLJEXG2OxDEY5L0FuhX2 sHrAn2S/uheQoftIMouspqwRMauvftXTif6ZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dL76ZndIM53J+BAJH8x7EJGdxpHGCfwXwWv5wPmrOfwvcB1GCKwFla88MFXyuCWGwr ZXo72xMrRRE2/gI5LpOsB9D3FtJrxbbXBDbviw8Oe/uERc7OinT+lW01Ln/VvsziRgSD NYy4DZFzDg6XDF3TbeBk2jSPCFzcPQQYzY750= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.9 with SMTP id k9mr3184495bkq.159.1245989684224; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:14:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906261203.23172.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:14:45 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:03:21 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> What kind of editor do you need for rescue? Just edit one or two >> lines in some config file to allow the full system to start >> again. >> >> Rescue does not need an editor programmers are used to edit their >> source files. > > I won't say anything different. For the usual "maintenance and > get the damn thing working again" tasks the /rescue editor, > especially vi, should be enough. Commands are i, a, and :wq. Don't forget about dd ;) -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:19:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9D81065678 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D73A8FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5Q4Jaxv049900; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:19:32 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20090626041932.GA32761@thought.org> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260820.21326.erich@apsara.com.sg> <87zlbvu7km.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:19:51 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:50:31AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On 26 June 2009 am 09:06:49 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > >On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: > > >> Maybe you're right, maybe not. > > >> > > >> 20 years ago, I've written and edited voluminous fortran > > >> code on a silly rs232 terminal using ed. So, it is possible, > > >> and one > > > > > > I do not believe you. This must have been 30 years back. > > > > As far as 16 years back, VT220/VT320 terminals were in wide use > > in universities. Some of us learned our first regexp stuff by > > not only there, but ed was not the editor of choice even those > days anymore. > > > reading the source of ed(1) and typing small programs in those > > terminals. vi(1) was available for a long time before 1993, > > but this doesn't mean other editors had died out by then :) > > If I remember right, I used something like ed only in the > Seventies. > > A collegue programmed then even a WordStar clone for RSX to have a > nice editor. > > Of course, only for VT-100 Terminals. This is interesting. I learned vi on an ADM-3A, late-70's. And, *YES*, it is in /rescue! :-D Would not just a symlink work on build? Or since it's < 3700 blocks, why not default build in in /bin too? I mean, come on, you guys... . gary > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:32:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AF71065676 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F6D8FC15 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:46 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Gary Kline Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:31:37 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626041932.GA32761@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090626041932.GA32761@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261231.40393.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:32:08 -0000 Hi, On 26 June 2009 pm 12:19:32 Gary Kline wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:50:31AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > On 26 June 2009 am 09:06:49 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800, Erich Dollansky > > > > wrote: > > > >On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: > > > > Of course, only for VT-100 Terminals. > > This is interesting. I learned vi on an ADM-3A, late-70's. this was the dream terminal of mine during those days. It has had a decent keyboard with an acceptable screen. I really forgot the names of the terminals I have had to use before. Later I could move to Esprit 6310 models. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:35:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D521065674 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C248FC15 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n5Q4UiWm018004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:30:44 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5Q4ZBTj003043; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:35:11 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:35:11 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200906260435.n5Q4ZBTj003043@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: af300wsm@gmail.com In-reply-to: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> (af300wsm@gmail.com) References: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:35:13 -0000 Hi, > Just today I found the marvel of LaTeX while looking over a quick how-to > for LaTeX. Congratulation brother, you've seen the light :)) Now for you technical questions, Polytropon has replied. Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 04:44:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4002B1065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28868FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5Q4iPMY050099; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:44:21 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "John L. Templer" Message-ID: <20090626044421.GB32761@thought.org> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <4A430CDF.2010205@comcast.net> <4a432627.nNXzKFb0uYX/7NBi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4A441FE4.3070604@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A441FE4.3070604@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:44:28 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 09:09:56PM -0400, John L. Templer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> ed is an interactive program, and it has always been considered as > >> such, at least since BSD 4.2. Way back then there were three main > >> editors, ex, vi, and ed. > > > > ed goes back at least as far as the Bell Labs 6th Edition (PDP-11), > > where it was the only editor in the distribution. ex and vi (and > > termcap, without which there would be no vi) were written later, at > > UC Berkeley. > > > >> If you had a nice video terminal then you used vi. But if you > >> were stuck using a hard copy terminal like a Decwriter, then you > >> used ex. And ed was the simplified (dumbed down) editor for > >> newbies. > > > > More like, ed was the "original" Unix editor; ex and vi presumably > > were inspired, at least in part, by a desire to improve on ed's > > limitations. I doubt I'm the only one who muttered about the bother > > of horsing around with ed, back when there was nothing else. > > > > Ah, I didn't know that. When I started using Unix (on a BSD 4.2 system) > vi was the editor of choice. It wasn't until much later that I learned > about the ATT side of Unix. Back in 1978, Bill Joy used to walk around with a fan-fold printout of vi and/or csh. He'd pull up a chair and sit at a term a few feet away. (This was when I was first learning FORTRAN-IV and [ick] Pascal. ) He probably fixed dozrns of bugs that way, walking thru the code. --Yes, I'm sure he was trying to impress the girls too. (About a third of the intro programming classes were female, then. And not many uglies, either! (I'm not sexist or anything, just telling it like it was:) Today I'm hearing there are fewer women students into programming... dunno why.) Ken Arnold hacked the first curses and termcap. Anyway, this is the BErkeley side of Unix. ed was my first editor on the ADM. It was the next thing to magic. vi blew it out of the water. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 05:05:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4AA1065674 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C101B8FC1D for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:05:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5Q54uJT050259; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:04:52 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20090626050451.GA32901@thought.org> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906260950.33772.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626041932.GA32761@thought.org> <200906261231.40393.erich@apsara.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906261231.40393.erich@apsara.com.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bf1783@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:05:42 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:31:37PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On 26 June 2009 pm 12:19:32 Gary Kline wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:50:31AM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > On 26 June 2009 am 09:06:49 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:20:19 +0800, Erich Dollansky > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >On 25 June 2009 pm 19:13:14 Konrad Heuer wrote: > > > > > > Of course, only for VT-100 Terminals. > > > > This is interesting. I learned vi on an ADM-3A, late-70's. > > this was the dream terminal of mine during those days. It has had > a decent keyboard with an acceptable screen. > > I really forgot the names of the terminals I have had to use > before. my first was just the "3", the "3A" had the addressible cursor so vi could move around. the whole thing was one unit; kybd builtin to the screen/CRT. i thought the ADM-3A was severely cool:_) gary ps: yes, i is a nerd... . > > Later I could move to Esprit 6310 models. > > Erich -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 07:11:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F58B1065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from smtprelay10.ispgateway.de (smtprelay10.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7CD8FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from [80.67.16.115] (helo=localhost) by smtprelay10.ispgateway.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MK5al-0000l6-Qv; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:11:24 +0200 Received: from pc51997.klinik.uni-regensburg.de (pc51997.klinik.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.174.149]) by webmail.df.eu (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:11:23 +0200 Message-ID: <20090626091123.125360s6eyr2tvwo@webmail.df.eu> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:11:23 +0200 From: Markus Hoenicka To: Manolis Kiagias References: <19012.105.500949.723890@yeti.mininet> <4A441109.3040308@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <4A441109.3040308@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: domainFACTORY X-Originating-IP: 132.199.174.149 X-Df-Sender: 472582 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xfburn fails with 'Undefined symbol "__malloc_lock"' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:11:26 -0000 Quoting Manolis Kiagias : > Upgrading between major versions requires all installed ports to be > rebuilt, so they get linked to the new versions of the libraries. > I suppose you missed this step, older apps may still work but there is a > problem installing new ones. > > Please see the instructions at the end of section 24.2.3 (portupgrade etc): > This is why I'm at a loss here. I upgraded the base system from the sources and then used portupgrade -af to rebuild all installed packages. Right after upgrading the base system, essentially everything from X to Emacs was broken (I tried, just for the heck of it). After running portupgrade, these problems were all fixed - except for xfburn. > (AFAIR, if you upgraded via source, you will also need to run make > delete-old-libs in /usr/src after successfully recompiling ports) I'll try that, as I've never seen this before. I definitely didn't do that. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka markus.hoenicka@cats.de (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 08:19:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9711065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5098FC19 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1599386ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kdLF0s/TPfG+oVPDQ4pbEL6pfk5At1DuDst+aMDNevE=; b=l1pWBt3AMaacows99Zn5uMQ1k3bat8Q/lhwlCpP4OY3I6As3BOLn/ie4+8sLuTXTLb cfFIyBZp1T8tMXGz0R4EDmpE91w2323pCR+/kaUvrExguKmXqOOqpNx5h6UL3bvoh7GN 7HyoXtfflsgo6X4WKJ1qKu+AiP/oZJhH0YBpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pFEj7htOqaMdZfKgSWCgFFGnV/Yh6TIGEE3bi2jZIcby4JpoF4vmOAZAc0h/Mb0OXS QpHVMWLHxvFSwYI/xDd04NOdmf2PnAQN/01W4OVc7DlipOqo/YesupnGWSkVsynE0B2s HRtT1PM5fvLKEEfhO5TyiDVEwO1cHJx3i7H7s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.35.204 with SMTP id u54mr1053276wea.182.1246004370345; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:19:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F0DF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:19:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:19:31 -0000 2009/6/25 Gary Gatten : > I like M$ "Notepad" - is there a version of that for FBSD? Actually the old "edit" from dos is sweet too.... > I'll humour you... gedit is similar and better than notepad for BSD, but there's nothing like 'edit' (actually a stripped down QBasic) AFAIK. Maybe you should write one! Perhaps the closest thing there is ee. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 09:19:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAE0106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3D8FC19 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=i9P5AfNBuu8osJGzjkM4JVZNmTsfJgslXSt5kbS77HkOsPE1gGMKWNA1n3lWt1j04AuVzg+KHuptXw0A2SLEeqrQKSYFZPYRB9mZcoHZwHlJ0BN2JymOmNigS/r3WG72; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:55494) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MK6LI-0005oF-Bu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:59:28 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:59:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Editor in minimal system (was Re: The question of moving vi to /bin) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:19:27 -0000 This whole thread only really got started because I questioned Manish Jain's assertion that there was no editor available in /bin. To summarise: There are several editors available ranging from ed (49604 bytes) and ee (60920 bytes) (both with two library dependencies) to emacs (in ports; 5992604 bytes and 50 library dependencies in my installation) and probably beyond. One of them, ed, is available in /bin and therefore in single-user mode. Two of them, ed and vi, are available in /rescue and therefore in single-user mode even when something horrible happens and libraries are broken (although /rescue/vi is currently slightly broken itself due to the termcap issue which is being fixed in -CURRENT and I hope will be MFC'd). Anyone who wants /usr/bin/vi available in single-user mode can install FreeBSD with one large partition; or mount /usr once in single-user mode. The original poster suggested that the fix for not having vi in /bin was not to have any editor at all in /rescue, which comprehensively misses the point of /rescue. The only argument that's been advanced for moving vi seems to be ``vi should be in /bin because that's how I want it''. I find that argument unconvincing, but it's not up to me. I'm open to a sensible argument, if anyone has one. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 12:01:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92224106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl (hook.uz.zgora.pl [212.109.128.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD748FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB00510D9 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: AntiSPAM System - University of Zielona Gora Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hook.uz.zgora.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ljsHHo17OzjI for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from komp.skl (xdsl-5405.zgora.dialog.net.pl [84.40.169.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39655510D8 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Zbigniew Komarnicki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:28 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261401.28620.cblasius@gmail.com> Subject: kernel panic - umount xfs partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:01:42 -0000 Hello, I have a Dabian 5.0 and FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 on i386 athlon-xp. I have two partitions under Debian. They are xfs file system. So I mount it from FreeBSD # mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s1 /mnt # ls /mnt # umount /mnt Everything is OK, but now I do the following # mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s2 /mnt # ls /mnt # cp /mnt/my_file /home/zbigniew when cp finish the system was frozen and after a while do reboot. After reboot I saw coredump on the swap file. This is only for me or also maybe you have such problem. My system is for desktop usage. I work at school. Zbigniew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 12:41:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08C91065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D848FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1766873ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:41:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a/3uwXTx0sPt5obyE/XsLCni+vCH9+nruicsBAFyPgE=; b=rf9ViPFZVTCnCH/JsvKv/rTF4tY9s6OHUN7FevC1ppd3avHJdWjb/3eWdR2tgZ1x0a 5Qr5OjFs8CTP3Hpy0SFGNW6Se0p7urMMwtzG9+iOn+I3aNBzEfjHKBf5cGR/KeJSeK1S kOOPV0rt1UvThF0Xgex8NCfItkW9kMdNcSbyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Cu4UhrUfBIY1A6Yv6JArE2473g3qiqCCCX5jwz7Az9MMay2zv41aIOoq8fVAxYPMWI BzTorivERuQrNNo9OfLSjrDDpHZuoedLJ7uc5/BLXser+IKlKDg+wHBYQOtIj+2A5AFf ENA+Vz7oEN/pATBS4wqPVLldqlqg2DGUsA6G8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.0.79 with SMTP id 57mr1178532wea.48.1246020102934; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906260435.n5Q4ZBTj003043@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <00163645825a2bb2a1046d381192@google.com> <200906260435.n5Q4ZBTj003043@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Olivier Nicole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, af300wsm@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:41:44 -0000 I recently went through the ropes of installing latex on my FreeBSD machine. You may the discussion I had helpful. See # 256 and below, from here: From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 13:28:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D941065679 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f229.google.com (mail-gx0-f229.google.com [209.85.217.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146938FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so3168293gxk.7 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:28:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Received: by 10.151.134.11 with SMTP id l11mr3336473ybn.24.1246022886172; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:06 +0000 From: af300wsm@gmail.com To: Daniel Underwood , af300wsm@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:07 -0000 On Jun 26, 2009 6:41am, Daniel Underwood wrote: > I recently went through the ropes of installing latex on my FreeBSD > machine. You may the discussion I had helpful. > See # 256 and below, from here: > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2009/freebsd-questions/20090607.freebsd-questions.html> Thanks for the link to the previous discussion. So, should I use the TeXLive or teTeX given by Polytropon? Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 13:32:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA57106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3F48FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1806633ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ojabGkNJQSAxibvgfBqn/+dfmkzNI9KdWZTK4P0m8fY=; b=lmCNrOPQT/3VniCnAL+wEWLgdBIuVaAk/f91Js6giwiCv6FvEbqP8M8/ElriylWBbO fN50L+GSTMVK9+Hh4i1MYIbnz48A2ovwp8mwxx5vdO2hZiEJWMk9j/XnzSyGiKjr5oEt EaCJkSsJU2196tp7XNbcxlAcY/poVhw2EAY+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xNQknAU/zzbUIlNYMmUFQqphgX12nJtiIK6Bypi9KYIVtiwF43PmELW3Zk1wbe2ERr JX3mAjAnXWoYH+ygs1ZE5TgQPfbtAe+P5IWG+xBa5KJtZQYKDM0dQHsN28eMvDSG6eUf G0u72xOxAQmqG1+Yoyh7lp3Bf3ET56xIMc4iU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.28.85 with SMTP id f63mr1145521wea.142.1246023151427; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: af300wsm@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:33 -0000 Hopefully Polytropon will chime in on this, but I had to install TeXLive for everything to work. Suggestion: try teTeX. If you encounter problems, then install TeXLive. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 13:32:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B031065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25118FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-ew0-f213.google.com with SMTP id 9so1806633ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:32:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B3KHWw4UfF+GKIu0K+ocotvxrgBYiQ5hQk2WvPGGYMA=; b=vYlHfrrUHC33nAaRd4Xc5HnajyiyGUIAMkWjqObHg/Vc8OHW0jA+IGWHmuKNGnP1J9 /7Ktct5W+/VDG2Z9LcZmlW4iZW5zVTWKtiJCeg9XEhy/T/a4+bz41+yf9nLhpTctZLt4 b/tIWDdm0+xLjFUomnBlQSdlpcBr1e/M1AKPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R9j7/+ZxpYYYqcO4KAMnT9I0BQ4UG49KHtkmLbZS3+6/S6yGtknxUZQUrOkh6Q2s5u ukNGSFSriX5R3b7XCkfOSiHxXdUZ2teaZlZ8yVVYmQmtKfs7yzOTOeQQpRUVxH0rEsY1 u4tXMLx+oNc4Pm1nBsfnIo/YvGVayOhtaTHeg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.198 with SMTP id i48mr1130998wec.144.1246023153113; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:32:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261033.58894.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626045808.fb3b0c8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906261203.23172.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:32:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /binHi, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:32:34 -0000 2009/6/26 Glen Barber : > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Polytropon wrote: >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:03:21 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> What kind of editor do you need for rescue? Just edit one or two >>> lines in some config file to allow the full system to start >>> again. >>> >>> Rescue does not need an editor programmers are used to edit their >>> source files. >> >> I won't say anything different. For the usual "maintenance and >> get the damn thing working again" tasks the /rescue editor, >> especially vi, should be enough. Commands are i, a, and :wq. > > Don't forget about dd ;) > > > -- > Glen Barber Or :wq! for when it _just_ _won't_ _write_! Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 13:58:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4995B1065673 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049B18FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MKBwe-0005N1-Sf; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:33 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MKBwe-0002U5-4T; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:24 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5QDwNq7015566; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5QDwNZh015565; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:58:23 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, af300wsm@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:58:35 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Hopefully Polytropon will chime in on this, but I had to install > TeXLive for everything to work. > > Suggestion: try teTeX. If you encounter problems, then install TeXLive. Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 14:22:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33551065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47C8FC22 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1849702ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YxQgLDWsTbffvAiKLMPN1eF5NYgXarZc0kKHIlKRRHo=; b=DDzzPV/XgoVraNeVr1gfuNSIG9itvhzOeg1SO9ZjlLljrbo4BdEqGYTUd1rEbhU/hT QcTkNLYVzdWaJN2GTg26AUL3dBypIHapKwJUU1EQUL2C2Ylf01R6oWAe6gkZwBHSAgyy blDaJEg2peqcHTv3fAmElBLGG397KTWBJkxJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dcI9sCLqXOjZsXfahPex4sn3wkMQ2617ZIeWku+HEGYBcYkCfjJ9AXQxjYYEzLwrW/ oFX7CMNOzxWCmJ/qLryf7HoQhSfSxnTfmZNSh05DCyi7VvZrF1NBpke/w91bbaGG9tZ2 O823bsw2PJc0gYDPjWIJtb4RDBwH+HFL3s9nY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.55.208 with SMTP id k58mr1178951wec.9.1246026169127; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:22:51 -0000 2009/6/26 Anton Shterenlikht : > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: >> Hopefully Polytropon will chime in on this, but I had to install >> TeXLive for everything to work. >> >> Suggestion: try teTeX. =A0If you encounter problems, then install TeXLiv= e. > > Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? > There is... but not an official one. Romain Tarti=E8re made a special form of ports tree, to be integrated with the 'official' tree for TeXLive. It's found at http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/wiki/Installing I'm supposed to be doing work on it involving porting LyX... but I'm committed to other stuff at the moment too :( Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 14:25:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CB31065675 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173F88FC16 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1851853ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QwlViv4mAGF9AXq8X3GL53jPFBStmKORH2uitE5GyDg=; b=YsHvEQAu9Vs11n1+wiLyrXLBxz5Sg7nMT87xiySeMDZ+iDKckBEpUXNvnhy8hFDjb4 1DZhqgZWTTiWMMuY+S2GukgI8sp9rQxTCJu3fi5h+qMnMsYVz1yp8AmVMp2HB4v0A5Tm Cmkv/MDWaXIYBcRb66dmlK59wYmSIrEV2AzkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jgmRKt+he7L/57EjegDV+J22iqdhuVHSAAT28eOgAThmjy8tUnK2w4JOHB0EIVoK18 vB7cCv+KRDBnlkxOkdQ6/TwHYMPI64996cw9RL++cCc5B6gMi1njxbAPiOrP6a7uKsaX 49ZOvjoGIBzG0HL1oEQeed4dCILB+PK77Ze4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.26.82 with SMTP id b60mr1165097wea.177.1246026315081; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:25:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: utisoft@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Anton Shterenlikht , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:25:16 -0000 > There is... but not an official one. Romain Tarti=E8re made a special > form of ports tree, to be integrated with the 'official' tree for > TeXLive. I didn't know that. I've had no problems with the generic version though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 14:28:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA71106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DC98FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MKCPB-00028G-7L; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:28:00 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.238]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MKCPA-0002pc-G9; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:27:52 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost.men.bris.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5QERpVt021133; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:27:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n5QERpVl021132; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:27:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:27:51 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090626142751.GA21055@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:28:02 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21:37AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? > > No, but it's not necessary. Just go here > and download the DVD image. well.. I'll wait for some kind sole to put a texlive port together. Tetex port has been enough for me for some years now. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 15:09:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF1B106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499FF8FC26 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so469912and.13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:09:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nZw4yE7VK2MWwIiXcokHVo6Myd6T+YE0lt3Hk/kuVLY=; b=feXBQJjd48jlfqsILb/ccUdDx0wfZCnASyBZC1+pbwaho+HdFtJFy0OIf7oRXq3Kx1 /e7z6JoSw7BVVJRqVqKlSZJXl9i3E+fgoKIN5JVvFr2r5jtiP2YBZUJZzo4S+9jtcoTw jxG2Iv1aXF9rBPtMQ086UR8BybWWiRfpxzXRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fGL6Igh/DB9unpzDNaO6jOPMxa62Hr0EitCupIgcpvaJ4ZqZ1HJY6B5DgvsUa4wibE /LRAv6IOKRg67MPCzJ03eT2zfcisdUY74dueksOiaEaTMhIHyiMTI0fe7Im1QtEIod6D Rkei0niW4TkFBwf3NOH2JNqRGMP+8LcKIsUmI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.213.7 with SMTP id l7mr4939369ang.78.1246027034297; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: <80f4f2b20906260737u7768f5a4j9955f78e64789579@mail.gmail.com> From: Jim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: QEMU + FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:29 -0000 I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 on my notebook in the last week, and installed QEmu as well. I cannot seem to get the network interface working. It works on my desktop machine, but that is running 7.0 looking around, I tried to find some other options, and went here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/qemu and got stuck at this step: # sysctl net.link.ether.bridge_cfg=fxp0,tap0 # sysctl net.link.ether.bridge.enable=1 because nothing matching "net.link.ether.bridge*" exists. Does anyone know of a current good setup document? thanks, -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 15:34:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41A8106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from relay.lc-words.com (relay.lc-words.com [62.121.130.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA388FC1A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from z.szalbot@lcwords.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (77-254-175-104.adsl.inetia.pl [77.254.175.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: z.szalbot@lcwords.com) by relay.lc-words.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A547DB801F for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:32:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=lcwords.com; s=mainlcwords; t=1246030373; bh=UQtVnkq3vueEX6TqRSayVgAUk5FZ/1m6z3+4hi9KjAg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RsD7yYSzmk6HszWvE3sxFl93KfuWBXvhNFxS9DXYmis8Oh3wj5EM+hKwAx81/vRes rof0lGGG45f6U1dqZ7ltobrZPPfJ59i4vMmZB8Vp0IcqLZItbp+fQ7Z2HXGv5VvXNM +NbyEODyW2qkfg4iS/GArQNI1K79YImAl4U6I6aQ= Message-ID: <4A44EA78.2040203@lcwords.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:34:16 +0200 From: Zbigniew Szalbot User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: troubleshooting sudden memory spikes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:34:25 -0000 Hello, I have a 7.2 FreeBSD server that has recently started to exhibit some strange behaviour. For a few days (since Monday) the number of inactive memory is constantly on the rise. When it gets to a certain level (around 1300-1400M), the system will start swapping, the inactvie memory gets released and free memory jumps to about 1300-1500M. You can see some graphs here to better realise what I am trying to describe: http://www.slowo.pl/_files/mem/ I was once able to see the memory spike occuring and I noticed that proftpd was intensively being used at that time. We have implemented some changes to proftpd setup to make sure it does not cause trouble. However, the spikes still occur. I am wondering how to troubleshoot it. Where would you start looking to solve the problem? I am suspecting: 1/ proftpd still causes some kind of a problem on one jail 2/ at least one website is quite buggy and generates a lot of entries in error.log so maybe it is the site? 3/ something about the jail system which was added about two weeks ago? As of writing this email... last pid: 85820; load averages: 0.20, 0.17, 0.17 up 16+00:10:51 17:30:49 73 processes: 1 running, 72 sleeping CPU: 2.5% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 0.2% interrupt, 96.5% idle Mem: 256M Active, 1393M Inact, 234M Wired, 61M Cache, 112M Buf, 50M Free Swap: 4492M Total, 285M Used, 4207M Free, 6% Inuse The system is not very busy (load average above is quite typical for that machine) and prior to Monday it has never swapped. For the whole year I haven't managed to use more than 2MB of swap space. But this changed this Monday. I would like to find out what causes such behaviour so your suggestions are very much appreciated! Thank you and have a nice weekend! Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 16:40:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AF01065674 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0A08FC08 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5QGei5E010028; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:40:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B3A9BAAC; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:40:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:40:44 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: af300wsm@gmail.com Message-ID: <20090626164044.GA31370@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090626135823.GA15537@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> <20090626142751.GA21055@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090626142751.GA21055@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:47 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21:37AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > > Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? > >=20 > > No, but it's not necessary. Just go here > > and download the DVD image. >=20 > well.. I'll wait for some kind sole to put a texlive port together. > Tetex port has been enough for me for some years now. The thing is that teTeX hasn't been updated in years. It has in fact been deprecated in favor of TeXLive. This is not a big problem with the basic TeX engine, because that doesn't change that much. But pdfTeX (a TeX that generates PDF output instead of DVI) has been evolving rapidly. And you'll miss out on several years of updates of the macro packages (like LaTeX and ConTeXt). Another consideration is that TeXLive contains a much larger choice of additional packages than teTeX. So I would advise you to install TeXLive. The latest DVD comes with FreeBSD binaries. Look at the mailing list archives for threads called "LaTeX oder teTeX" in October 2007, and "Installing latest version of LaTeX" in June 2009. In those threads I've posted some instructions on how to get TeXLive to work. Installation is pretty easy, but you have to change login.conf and manpath.conf to use the binaries and manpages. Normally TeXLive keeps everything under its own tree (/usr/local/texlive), so it won't mess up the trees /usr/local/{bin,share,...}. Do _not_ tell the installer to put symbolic links in /usr/local/bin! That way removing TeXLive is as easy as removing /usr/local/texlive. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpE+gwACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUbAACfRdOj3J/ZgBhYXbLxOitS8GZ2 kBUAnRC95bRgdH79QFtFaHDKuHEpXi7i =Z9ak -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 17:09:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4666E1065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from smtp0.beanfield.net (smtp0.beanfield.net [66.207.192.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8D8FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from brent.local ([66.207.193.249]) by smtp0.beanfield.net (8.13.4/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n5QH7hN1070221 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:07:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Message-ID: <4A4500D7.5090104@beanfield.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:09:43 -0400 From: Brent Bloxam Organization: Beanfield Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Device naming on scbus using isp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:09:49 -0000 I'm wondering about how device names are assigned on scbus, specifically when using the isp driver. It seems to me that there's potential when an HBA has access to multiple LUNs that on boot the scbus will have entries in /dev scrambled compared to the previous run (thus messing up mounts). My experience so far has been that da0 will be assigned to the first target scanned, da1 to the second, etc. Is this generally something countered with device.hints? If a LUN were to go away, but a device hint pointing to the target:unit remained, would that cause any issues on boot? Thanks, Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 17:25:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2A61065674 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9DA8FC1F for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so1204876yxe.3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JpvHYIgRzFSKgVIaqcx/ZxZzweRfLuf2va57QERUXeI=; b=X/QObdo1TyWFTWXpRB5eIW/baufXmhDg/VgYMimfdjiYQD5vDRhFnx4s+0q0fnUIow tZP6vGbmDCx9KhPL9ZKv0XxFy3cevdMXWIMCYftnMGNoX32Z9vmN7/V8tMoaTkqOMKbt EY01sDgWJhutsemR9Vh1MfwUXQZ7z0Heaz6xc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nznZBOmyTJwlOM94AZw2gqRQRQ3FHp9I7N9kUsZNS0q4AyyhFX7bx3ueVv5cAtAfvX 5hCZuqQXnoMdZyd/aeNPthaODaOk0OnCoxqXD1H1woQryWFlmAUHnguWfTEanl8rRZo6 URHytJl7emNoul54c0HibAoVimiUp4hpFu8+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.131.13 with SMTP id i13mr482471ybn.233.1246037134834; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0906251254m1a5ccd9do6479f71310f831b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6201873e0906251254m1a5ccd9do6479f71310f831b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:25:34 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0906261025m60fcdf65p8e2b0ee863ca799b@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: vde2 tap brings down external networking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:25:36 -0000 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > I'm trying to network a couple of qemu vm together and to the outside > world. After much pain and gnashing of teeth I found a setup that works > temporarily. I start both vm's with a command similar to this: > vde_switch -hub -tap /dev/tap0 > chmod -R 666 /var/run/vde.ctl > vdeqemu -vga cirrus -localtime -hda linux-boot-0.img -hdb linux-boot-1.img > \ > -hdc linux-data-0.img -hdd linux-data-1.img -m 392 -boot c -kernel-kqemu > > ipfw divert and natd are present. > > ifconfig looks like this: > > midco# ifconfig > xl0: flags=8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=9 > ether 00:04:76:d2:50:25 > media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP (10baseT/UTP ) > status: active > nfe0: flags=8943 metric 0 > mtu 1500 > options=19b > ether 00:04:4b:04:01:28 > inet 208.107.54.67 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 208.107.55.255 > media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) > status: active > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > bridge0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu > 1500 > ether e6:56:26:6d:f8:f8 > inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 > id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 > maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 > root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 ifcost 0 port 0 > member: nfe0 flags=143 > ifmaxaddr 0 port 2 priority 128 path cost 200000 > > ipfw show: > midco# ipfw show > 65535 1483037 1334261656 allow ip from any to any > > once I add tap0 to bridge0 I have only a few minutes to access my external > network. Once it goes down, I am unable to revive via normal methods eg > /etc/rc.d/netif restart && /etc/rc.d/routed restart. Anything going to > external network timeouts, but tap/vm stuff is great. Even destroying > vm's/bridge/tap and bringing everything up doesn't restore networking, I > have to reboot. netstat -nr looks the same before and after. > midco# netstat -nr > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > default 208.107.54.1 UGS 0 591581 nfe0 > 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 24 lo0 > 192.168.0.0/24 link#4 UC 0 0 bridge > 208.107.54.0/23 link#2 UC 0 0 nfe0 > 208.107.54.1 00:13:5f:05:e3:d9 UHLW 2 0 nfe0 1198 > > Internet6: > Destination Gateway Flags > Netif Expire > ::1 ::1 UHL > lo0 > fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 U > lo0 > fe80::1%lo0 link#3 UHL > lo0 > ff01:3::/32 fe80::1%lo0 UC > lo0 > ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 UC > lo0 > > /var/log/messages only had arp stuff relating to bridge which I suppressed. > > Thanks, > > PS bring up qemu networking in multicast mode to achieve this hangs my > cable modem. > > -- > Adam Vande More > Disabling divert rule fixed it, but unable to get nat to work -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 17:40:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB6F1065673 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA898FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2016212ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/JJ/MICfPgkBw7B+Fkxw9Rv7dfiX+2UbCce+lT5+noY=; b=cBwUc6PNG3kZV3OZm92ohr3Q458/shdLapbTMOMakHqYTI1p1DddYVq3fKDCgTMK0/ SXQ2puKw/EWEz43TpUXa93EWNSUNiOheEM3SemJMG+dIonx38fIIipJDLjEclCOOTBwS RYw69yq5M6QsiPVCkJ4gxrzt6IIkZ2auqXRYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=uEWSF+r7Cjdwt+u8qcwP99F6FJzEduRMg9aJfXC56MWHEAQ5Aij6tfmlPia50KFzNX CR5hS1LKOP6kbGb3h6DSItna5nh+DHWzNpyjj8fyJRDfzA8xX2T054g6l9McTBnIWpSP YwTqvK4NJcLoj5wiz7NqOHK6+9ofrQ+6KIwUM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.20.83 with SMTP id o61mr1248869weo.206.1246038046538; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Restrict process(es) to single core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:40:48 -0000 Suppose I'm running a multi-threaded program that's utilizing both cores of my CPU. I'm not interested in it's speed, however, and would like to free up another core for general purpose. Is there a way (without altering/recompiling the program, obviously) to restricting a process and its children to a single core? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 17:50:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A682B106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0910.google.com (an-out-0910.google.com [209.85.132.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4368FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af300wsm@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c35so781240anc.13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:50:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090626164044.GA31370@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Received: by 10.101.71.3 with SMTP id y3mr1210563ank.4.1246038616573; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0016368e1b111e0c2b046d43f944@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:16 +0000 From: af300wsm@gmail.com To: Roland Smith , af300wsm@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:50:17 -0000 On Jun 26, 2009 10:40am, Roland Smith wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21:37AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > > > Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? > > > > > > No, but it's not necessary. Just go here > > > http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html> and download the DVD image. > > > > well.. I'll wait for some kind sole to put a texlive port together. > > Tetex port has been enough for me for some years now. > The thing is that teTeX hasn't been updated in years. It has in fact > been deprecated in favor of TeXLive. This is not a big problem with the > basic TeX engine, because that doesn't change that much. But pdfTeX (a > TeX that generates PDF output instead of DVI) has been evolving > rapidly. And you'll miss out on several years of updates of the macro > packages (like LaTeX and ConTeXt). > Another consideration is that TeXLive contains a much larger choice of > additional packages than teTeX. > So I would advise you to install TeXLive. The latest DVD comes with > FreeBSD binaries. > Look at the mailing list archives for threads called "LaTeX oder teTeX" > in October 2007, and "Installing latest version of LaTeX" in June > 2009. In those threads I've posted some instructions on how to get > TeXLive to work. Installation is pretty easy, but you have to change > login.conf and manpath.conf to use the binaries and manpages. Normally > TeXLive keeps everything under its own tree (/usr/local/texlive), so it > won't mess up the trees /usr/local/{bin,share,...}. Do _not_ tell the > installer to put symbolic links in /usr/local/bin! That way removing > TeXLive is as easy as removing /usr/local/texlive. > Roland Thanks Roland. Looks like TeXLive it is. Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:01:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E041065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916ED8FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP14 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:01:14 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.23.177.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.23.177.172]) by BLU0-SMTP14.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:01:13 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3CD44228D7 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F2EDA228BD for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:11 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+/v7++v6YOTrq8PCcuIX989UvOSj++v0BNCbpAAAAB3RJTUUHsQwfFzs7RBhzUQAAAhJJREFUOI1dU8GOqzAMNKIoV1bvwD1i0ysqrHplIdBrVSX7ATSbd03VVvn9tQNtQy0hjAdn7LED4AAcPtWm9RV+MPSfxhBLx9ajd6X/ngB6/mTwnRSZua7i7Ca+0ctZKo4Qmz+JY13X6I3nFZBxIYW1PbgfQ5RP8g0XlltEWGf3cV03joYpRnFbvYDKbXjZlXyyhEZA4lI+cN3NaVXE4VKjSwTExO10eTEkkJVqIAD5z0nUBQJluQDRSQjcrBiHAJxZlAH5CUMBMC7OcJ4LMQNnxhZ1HYPscMc6J4UlWRMNwzOpCcAHKSICd1EDn83abdREIbXsHkD1OinP1aCUCOEVRaa1lMcvywUWdYgk13JQUpYNKmvXQ8Kw5ML9YI5h8SakctBc7E/IYuLhYd/zZIk+1gM1vNweQBvHE0j+oYah3sMqAytQYlZk6+ANaaawJdu3OFzYGMZ3iGpa3qMlq9ZH0VZTgrCtw/ngdYkEIIpSbP1bWQAdFdX9vocBdkH2qVjVmuMu3gI5rjs814EUdrCZgWlPaxZZ3RiLFUtr+ud0PXwp2dnQSNXgePt6AZpBj6UMJ7VQkzN4utVeaSW1Dhn/kblGrKeMvNGnzwX4zuEDarYz1KdPtR60Gul0Gued+515SJXhCsl+Tx/3kY/UDvicPll9mfu50t3tvQ/thZpJYgeuwdSKNJ6tCD98MCgoxLDaPxbwqqwPWaWiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2009 18:01:13.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[17F61C40:01C9F688] Subject: Adding data to existing CD/DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:01:15 -0000 I have tried both xfburn and cdrecord; however, I cannot figure out how to add data to an existing CD, or create a CD that I can later add data to. It seems that once the CD is written to, this disc is closed. I have seen a few options that allow writing to the disk multiple times; however, they are then only viewable on a FreeBSD system. I need to create discs that are viewable on multiple OS's and that I can add data to after the initial burn. Using mkisofs creates an ISO that makes adding data to impossible as far as I can tell. On windows, it is easily done. I just cannot get a handle on how to do it on FreeBSD. Maybe I need a different program? -- Carmel carmel@hotmail.com If you wish to live wisely, ignore sayings -- including this one. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:04:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C51C106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D618FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so1245231yxe.3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZTyhI8Ffm3/6/unRaOYK0FFuEUZmUPVBjpqE9ipFKww=; b=qHO4kNIa2bA17jsbtrhorNPhXY6Ni1/FvH3eWXalu5pyID3wdJsZZA5qIpvUmG12Xu FaJgZNfm+TxPAdKeWuXNvn1xkge9zF2syXrgUmhezpR3gF2vnny9DgP1W4bIQimSc/ql gdE9he1wsX5eAOcOCHNVdHrc/O7JVn6EUl1c8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=AZIVSP2k8ZGlMGaqZW1cNKNj9S6vU25OHa7ul+dnZHLSDJvkp7Rob2ms4AWeOssD7W D378gYCTe6Qvp4CZWBjZQ6baD/4envCzq3ojB1cmgHlF9n79ptWlGGbSCVZDdaWqzb+l 9jvKSxA8mV01YnoVOT9Y5LxKI+MyJVt++bkcw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.137.12 with SMTP id p12mr7230972ybn.270.1246039453496; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0906261104n575611bemeb3025d9e6e1ecb9@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: vde qemu write: No buffer space available X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:14 -0000 I'm having issues with high network throughput with vde and qemu. There are two qemu vm's each running debian lenny and they are configured for drbd. The vm's work fine until drbd is started then the networking fails. The only message I get(on the host side) is write: No buffer space available which is echoed to console, and nothing appears in the logs. I believe this to be an issue with vde, but I can't be certain because I can't seem to find any way to turn on more extensive logging. Anyone have an idea how to resolve this? Thanks, -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:04:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD0310656C0 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: from hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (hal.Rescomp.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.70.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EEC8FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ccowart@rescomp.berkeley.edu) Received: by hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu (Postfix, from userid 1225) id 4D5233C04BA; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:04:49 -0700 From: Chris Cowart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090626180448.GB37243@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD" Content-Disposition: inline Organization: RSSP-IT, UC Berkeley User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: torrents.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:04:49 -0000 --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm currently trying to setup a bittorrent tracker to distribute files, such as patches, to users when they're stuck behind our captive portal. My experience over the last several weeks is that the software is flaky, the documentation is poor, and no projects are being actively maintained (or at least, projects in the FreeBSD ports tree).=20 I'm getting the feeling that you need to be a member of an elite, invitation-only group that performs heavy customizations every time a tracker is installed. I found net-p2p/bnbt and I thought it was the way to go. I somehow managed to get it setup in the dev environment, load some torrents to be tracked, and away we went. When I tried to reproduce this success in our testing environment, I failed miserably. I can no longer figure out what I did to get bnbt to load the torrents (apparently it was more complicated than just dropping them off in the allowed_dir). I discovered from a ktrace that bnbt is indeed scanning my allowed_dir on startup and periodically after that, but it won't list the torrents in the web interface, and it tells clients "requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker". I'm hoping to find somebody who's successfully running bnbt for some pointers. If nothing else, I'd love to get in touch with the operators of torrents.freebsd.org to find out what they're doing. Thanks for any help, --=20 Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAwAGBQJKRQ3AAAoJEIGh6j3cHUNPCLsP/RYu8xvFJ4FuP3+XybHeKCom kqKIk2nGI5RCtkRn0CdHyVxXOqfjWCwE41+pd7icuYPn2HA0U4fUlp5ASAcM+3g3 EwecLNnxq+0t2CYgvVblaVR4FankSsE2UGyKvNs2qSAoSSwYfNoyjQBzcpJhT5bq 7jSXY7c7QClQD5WxbytYtFOjga+DzzAaPA0cOL5oPdUQnUiQanWMoOWx66JKVviB B91M53Ka8F8DXNTBPYvAYAXGEC/0SuZdc1rkxUUP00NFpCKzd9j0E5WqEK2Q+Tp9 HJB1G9iPUHRajcxy4vvP03rlEJzySbtRKGZNybjcxahaItoez/ZJyqG9RamXbOPN xIGdih3QmlhVhzG4rL3zGiv/1A3+XLFayE2vVt8RgaBXRiz7W/U7P0hiQT42Ybvz mM+PDSIzZl8WlMJ6uZ7LWlV1Um/YR5/r2bB+9iUB9wffm56J3KtawTvzJ9Fe07z6 vggQcpv+O0+1p/DpC8/khIZk6NJT27FY3ojh1mTUVeyS9T3xKQ2+oUaBd81HTuS4 LkpWRYOfzLix0oBRZ6aDLkVLRB3VhMsh2x7OGRaO5hx3FRxGilzSSgJz7ck8ms1N tq4tsRHhsZAkgazDDsYKRMqGgTaYgJaqHE4FfXME+HpQPRTsBUZZYIsMpny1rKT1 gIRHGD+cHwKysRWmqYZo =+S2N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:06:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0A910656FC for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout011.mac.com (asmtpout011.mac.com [17.148.16.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1812E8FC19 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KLU00A08YAKDJ20@asmtp011.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: From: Chuck Swiger To: Daniel Underwood In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:06:20 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restrict process(es) to single core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:06:31 -0000 On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Suppose I'm running a multi-threaded program that's utilizing both > cores of my CPU. I'm not interested in it's speed, however, and would > like to free up another core for general purpose. Is there a way > (without altering/recompiling the program, obviously) to restricting a > process and its children to a single core? The simple way would be to use renice to change the process priority; other normal processes you run would get CPU first, but this task would be able to use all system resources if nothing else is. I'm not sure whether FreeBSD currently has a way to bind tasks to only running on a subset of available CPUs (ie, CPUSETs mechanism in Linux, set CPU affinity in Windows, etc). Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:10:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1114106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A558FC1E for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so148691qwd.7 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3Ym1TnMsHHzsTUG48KtG0d5pbrN1scXVHlamLYdBn70=; b=Wz9Fh7X4f3cvM7mtbpn2ec2S42+vzBSLGl+RLhJQ9DCRVIB8H+pcExHJNqKk0MEq61 wdErKH7SRl37IRZRJZoozmRvOkibGyjt701tNuzgIvnTiGF7xfspOPnT+OSml+xo8Cnn T0j4rLM/uisX8ftlaX4zV3YLt7LvVjk5W1UAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xjenFgPBpozu4odPDpso18qbKi2SMmBET7BRj+TRB4q+x8B8aa/i1s2SmCPLc56l25 5fJSqWKgyavwxgUDbBmGhVihVDx4RZwfZniA4pc6fXcYAHlYSN8l1/FaK+S6RohZhSIn Rxdxwd2hUysqOCeeKkKGhAyA9DJJiB8NSmJ2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.14 with SMTP id w14mr1167505qcn.48.1246039828033; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:10:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:10:27 +1000 Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0906261110j4bf1022cw374b1d08564dfd87@mail.gmail.com> From: David N To: Chuck Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restrict process(es) to single core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:10:29 -0000 2009/6/27 Chuck Swiger : > On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Daniel Underwood wrote: >> >> Suppose I'm running a multi-threaded program that's utilizing both >> cores of my CPU. =A0I'm not interested in it's speed, however, and would >> like to free up another core for general purpose. Is there a way >> (without altering/recompiling the program, obviously) to restricting a >> process and its children to a single core? > > The simple way would be to use renice to change the process priority; oth= er > normal processes you run would get CPU first, but this task would be able= to > use all system resources if nothing else is. =A0I'm not sure whether Free= BSD > currently has a way to bind tasks to only running on a subset of availabl= e > CPUs (ie, CPUSETs mechanism in Linux, set CPU affinity in Windows, etc). > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > If you're running FreeBSD 7.1 or up, theres a program called cpuset. man cpuset I think that's what you're after. Allows binding of process to certain CPUs= . Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 18:29:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5801065670 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B52D8FC23 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2052159ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:29:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y/my7tp2cjBs6itMmSw+95vB10QRG9ThsWZN3vXPYx8=; b=ZTlfzhnxSyHxEpDBIo0WAlFApSGHQbbsZNYGzJJBc/OGypRP6sPuYF3plQhcBtCYYl qc48sqY1MCdSWDCIoPHA+Eiy8bkQXDpbIs9pAF7Y4FiWvC/NUzXF/M5SGCzi7mnMTWBd dLuUdhn45Fh/tTs4hd85v2iCo9DATbQVa8VhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s7lI0CutCexZaedTvPEC72wlajCtV+R7j+TSbmnBdECFHJyUlPdrINc7Z2Zq2EvJjE e2Hefadk4smwOafDwyf1lMed1/Q6+VW7URaTumbVqISQtx9xuL4a18C04hqo44Xw67Nj YgUk0NwqhGbYpzFn4li8jVG699GVMI/q5mWu8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.7.209 with SMTP id 59mr1250322wep.213.1246040994912; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0906261110j4bf1022cw374b1d08564dfd87@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d7dd86f0906261110j4bf1022cw374b1d08564dfd87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: David N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Restrict process(es) to single core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:29:56 -0000 That's great, thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 19:07:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196451065673 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fomin@pisem.net) Received: from web25.pochta.ru (web25.pochta.ru [82.204.219.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF7E8FC1E for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fomin@pisem.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=35423 helo=www.pisem.net) by web25.pochta.ru ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with smtp id 1MKFvz-0007wB-2D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:14:07 +0400 X-Priority: 3 From: fomin@pisem.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:13:59 +0400 Sender: fomin@pisem.net Message-Id: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_0_bd29fc0dc3c16765527783575e94bf5e" X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: fomin@pisem.net X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 8848 [Jun 25 2009] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:07:11 -0000 This message is in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_0_bd29fc0dc3c16765527783575e94bf5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Plaintext Version of Message When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=KERNEL) it stop whith **** 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Fri Jun 26 19:28:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D420106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from smtp2.beanfield.net (smtp2.beanfield.net [206.223.173.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7636B8FC15 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Received: from brent.local ([66.207.193.249]) by smtp2.beanfield.net (8.13.4/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n5QJO3gn094759; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brentb@beanfield.com) Message-ID: <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:27:58 -0400 From: Brent Bloxam Organization: Beanfield Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fomin@pisem.net References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> In-Reply-To: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:28:06 -0000 fomin@pisem.net wrote: > When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=KERNEL) it stop whith **** Error code 1 According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html): > 1. > Change to the /usr/src directory: > # cd /usr/src > > 2. > Compile the kernel: > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > 3. > Install the new kernel: > # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 19:50:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E502106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from mtah11.telenor.se (mtah11.telenor.se [62.127.194.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230038FC17 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from iph1.telenor.se (iph1.telenor.se [195.54.127.132]) by mtah11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72BF32CE6 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:50:23 +0200 (CEST) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah+hAIPDREpV44BwPGdsb2JhbACBUZccAQEBATe2ZIQNBYNL X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,298,1243807200"; d="scan'208";a="24363893" Received: from c-7080e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.128.112]) by iph1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2009 21:50:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4A45267E.70900@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:50:22 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090626) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?ItCa0LjRgNC40LvQuyDQkC4g0KTQvtC80LjQvSI=?= References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> <4A4522F2.8030404@lazlarlyricon.com> <810695303.20090626233908@pisem.net> In-Reply-To: <810695303.20090626233908@pisem.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:50:32 -0000 =D0=9A=D0=B8=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BB =D0=90. =D0=A4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BD= wrote: > =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5= , Rolf. >=20 > In my first mail i attach my config file. Latest i attach full console > output. >=20 > =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD= =D1=8F 2009 =D0=B3., 23:35:14: >=20 >> Brent Bloxam wrote: >>> fomin@pisem.net wrote: >>>> When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=3DKERNEL) it stop whith = ****=20 >>>> Error code 1 >>> According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook=20 >>> (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconf= ig-building.html):=20 >>> >>> >>>> 1. >>>> Change to the /usr/src directory: >>>> # cd /usr/src >>>> >>>> 2. >>>> Compile the kernel: >>>> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL >>>> >>>> 3. >>>> Install the new kernel: >>>> # make installkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL >>>> >>> You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> >=20 >> According to the makefile, "make kernel" does "make buildkernel" + "ma= ke >> installkernel", so that shouldn't be the problem. Your question is ver= y >> vague. Could you please attach the complete output (or at least the la= st >> portion of it, e.g. 10-15 lines or so). >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 First, please do not reply to me only. Put the list on CC, in case=20 somebody else has some insight on the matter. I looked at the kernel config file, but it is pretty difficult to see=20 what is wrong, without either knowing all the options by heart or=20 comparing it to the NOTES files. Moreover, I am sorry, but I cannot find = the console output that you say you attached. Either I am blind or it=20 got stripped somewhere on the way. --=20 Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:01:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF13F1065672 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [64.146.239.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA938FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5QK1sTo000727; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:01:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1246046516; bh=XO7z3iOIRLkhZQ/0+BfTmq1FUz4+A3Ek165F3T+fRDg=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=HcTiClwqUGDJS woOz1LuE46nnR7UeZoZhaz4Gxbr0iAx4mkAGOI2VEoIXGwaKOh7PCCz9sAPquh6mOr6 OKFTo5eAcXiNX8cjwqimkuS4OsbO9FL7mF4HGOaGFbzidcjMUd6AZnG8uhY+UzyD586 q+dRQxiLOQ7ilmqk/cNP+JFc= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:01:54 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <810695303.20090626233908@pisem.net> <4A45267E.70900@lazlarlyricon.com> In-Reply-To: <4A45267E.70900@lazlarlyricon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261301.54442.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: =?utf-8?q?=D0=9A=D0=B8=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BB_=D0=90=2E?= =?utf-8?q?_=D0=A4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B8=D0=BD?= Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:02:00 -0000 On Friday 26 June 2009 12:50:22 pm Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > =D0=9A=D0=B8=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=BB=D0=BB =D0=90. =D0=A4=D0=BE=D0=BC=D0=B8=D0= =BD wrote: > > =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0= =B5, Rolf. > > > > In my first mail i attach my config file. Latest i attach full console > > output. > > > > =D0=92=D1=8B =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8 26 =D0=B8=D1=8E=D0=BD= =D1=8F 2009 =D0=B3., 23:35:14: > >> Brent Bloxam wrote: > >>> fomin@pisem.net wrote: > >>>> When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=3DKERNEL) it stop whith = **** > >>>> Error code 1 > >>> > >>> According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook > >>> > >>>=20 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-bui= lding.html): > >>>> 1. > >>>> Change to the /usr/src directory: > >>>> # cd /usr/src > >>>> > >>>> 2. > >>>> Compile the kernel: > >>>> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > >>>> > >>>> 3. > >>>> Install the new kernel: > >>>> # make installkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > >>> > >>> You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> According to the makefile, "make kernel" does "make buildkernel" + "ma= ke > >> installkernel", so that shouldn't be the problem. Your question is very > >> vague. Could you please attach the complete output (or at least the la= st > >> portion of it, e.g. 10-15 lines or so). > > First, please do not reply to me only. Put the list on CC, in case > somebody else has some insight on the matter. > > I looked at the kernel config file, but it is pretty difficult to see > what is wrong, without either knowing all the options by heart or > comparing it to the NOTES files. Moreover, I am sorry, but I cannot find > the console output that you say you attached. Either I am blind or it > got stripped somewhere on the way. He has umass # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da = =20 But in his "SCSI peripherals" he has scbus and da commented out. Kent =2D-=20 Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:03:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3DE1065692 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from jab.dat.pl (dat.pl [80.51.155.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5577F8FC2B for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milu@dat.pl) Received: from localhost (jsrv.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9EBAE for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:03:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at dat.pl Received: from jab.dat.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jab.dat.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RIVq2yXN7Avk for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from snifi.localnet (dku152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.24.24.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jab.dat.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AB9F3C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:03:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Maciej Milewski To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:03:24 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.30-ARCH; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> In-Reply-To: <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906262203.24969.milu@dat.pl> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:03:34 -0000 Dnia pi=B1tek 26 czerwiec 2009 o 21:27:58 Brent Bloxam napisa=B3(a): > fomin@pisem.net wrote: > > When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=3DKERNEL) it stop whith **** > > Error code 1 > According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig- building.html): > > 1. > > Change to the /usr/src directory: > > # cd /usr/src > > 2. > > Compile the kernel: > > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > > 3. > > Install the new kernel: > > # make installkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` =46rom /usr/src/Makefile: # kernel - buildkernel + installkernel. This shouldtn't be the main problem. You should look for full log from kernel building. f.ex. run: cd /usr/src; make buildkernel | tee kernel_compilation.log and search in this log for an error in this log. Cheers, Maciej Milewski From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:05:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFB8106573C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from mtah31.telenor.se (mtah31.telenor.se [213.150.131.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C7E8FC1D for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from iph1.telenor.se (iph1.telenor.se [195.54.127.132]) by mtah31.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE259684 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:35:16 +0200 (CEST) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah+hAP+/REpV44BwPGdsb2JhbACBUZccAQEBATe2cYQNBYNL X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,297,1243807200"; d="scan'208";a="24361566" Received: from c-7080e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.128.112]) by iph1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2009 21:35:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4522F2.8030404@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:35:14 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090626) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fomin@pisem.net References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> In-Reply-To: <4A45213E.3070705@beanfield.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Brent Bloxam , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:05:58 -0000 Brent Bloxam wrote: > fomin@pisem.net wrote: >> When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=KERNEL) it stop whith **** >> Error code 1 > > According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html): > > >> 1. >> Change to the /usr/src directory: >> # cd /usr/src >> >> 2. >> Compile the kernel: >> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL >> >> 3. >> Install the new kernel: >> # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL >> > > You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > According to the makefile, "make kernel" does "make buildkernel" + "make installkernel", so that shouldn't be the problem. Your question is very vague. Could you please attach the complete output (or at least the last portion of it, e.g. 10-15 lines or so). -- Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:26:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE478106566C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fomin@pisem.net) Received: from web22.pochta.ru (web22.pochta.ru [82.204.219.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098668FC1F for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fomin@pisem.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=50746 helo=www.pisem.net) by web22.pochta.ru ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with smtp id 1MKHzq-0007iI-4L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:26:14 +0400 X-Priority: 3 From: fomin@pisem.net To: "Kent Stewart" In-Reply-To: <200906261301.54442.kstewart@owt.com> References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <810695303.20090626233908@pisem.net> <4A45267E.70900@lazlarlyricon.com> <200906261301.54442.kstewart@owt.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:25:58 +0400 Sender: fomin@pisem.net Message-Id: <12460479580239.49250165.fomin@pisem.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: fomin@pisem.net X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 8848 [Jun 25 2009] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Plaintext Version of Message X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:26:17 -0000 On Friday 26 June 2009 12:50:22 pm Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > Êèðèëë À. Ôîìèí wrote: > > Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Rolf. > > > > In my first mail i attach my config file. Latest i attach full console > > output. > > > > Âû ïèñàëè 26 èþíÿ 2009 ã., 23:35:14: > >> Brent Bloxam wrote: > >>> fomin@pisem.net wrote: > >>>> When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=KERNEL) it stop whith **** > >>>> Error code 1 > >>> > >>> According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook > >>> > >>> (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html): > >>>> 1. > >>>> Change to the /usr/src directory: > >>>> # cd /usr/src > >>>> > >>>> 2. > >>>> Compile the kernel: > >>>> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > >>>> > >>>> 3. > >>>> Install the new kernel: > >>>> # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > >>> > >>> You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> According to the makefile, "make kernel" does "make buildkernel" + "make > >> installkernel", so that shouldn't be the problem. Your question is very > >> vague. Could you please attach the complete output (or at least the last > >> portion of it, e.g. 10-15 lines or so). > > First, please do not reply to me only. Put the list on CC, in case > somebody else has some insight on the matter. > > I looked at the kernel config file, but it is pretty difficult to see > what is wrong, without either knowing all the options by heart or > comparing it to the NOTES files. Moreover, I am sorry, but I cannot find > the console output that you say you attached. Either I am blind or it > got stripped somewhere on the way. He has umass # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da But in his "SCSI peripherals" he has scbus and da commented out. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html May be Kent Stewart wright, cose http://dumpz.org/10103/. I try compile the my kernel whith the all "SCSI peripherals" uncomment. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:37:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D951065674 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781E38FC1C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5QKb2K2058421; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:36:58 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Jonathan McKeown Message-ID: <20090626203657.GF35345@thought.org> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090626061157.4e846d36.freebsd@edvax.de> <4ad871310906252114s29fe9d6dredf47a226a82afaa@mail.gmail.com> <200906260959.28165.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200906260959.28165.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Editor in minimal system (was Re: The question of moving vi to /bin) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:37:04 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:59:28AM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > This whole thread only really got started because I questioned Manish Jain's > assertion that there was no editor available in /bin. > > To summarise: > > There are several editors available ranging from ed (49604 bytes) and ee > (60920 bytes) (both with two library dependencies) to emacs (in ports; > 5992604 bytes and 50 library dependencies in my installation) and probably > beyond. > > One of them, ed, is available in /bin and therefore in single-user mode. > > Two of them, ed and vi, are available in /rescue and therefore in single-user > mode even when something horrible happens and libraries are broken (although > /rescue/vi is currently slightly broken itself due to the termcap issue which > is being fixed in -CURRENT and I hope will be MFC'd). > > Anyone who wants /usr/bin/vi available in single-user mode can install FreeBSD > with one large partition; or mount /usr once in single-user mode. > > The original poster suggested that the fix for not having vi in /bin was not > to have any editor at all in /rescue, which comprehensively misses the point > of /rescue. > > The only argument that's been advanced for moving vi seems to be ``vi should > be in /bin because that's how I want it''. I find that argument unconvincing, > but it's not up to me. I'm open to a sensible argument, if anyone has one. > > Jonathan What about making it be a build option? Or at least symlink the static vi in /rescue to /bin...? I mean we have 1.5TB drives now! 3700 blocks is a burp. A small burp. For that matter, why not have the option of moving the majority of /rescue to /bin? I've only had to use the rescue floppy a few times, but did so only because i needed grep and vi to edit /etc/fsck ... And major, irksome desl using cat and ed to look at that file. And a few others in /etc. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 20:40:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75AD106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915998FC18 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 22574 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2009 20:40:48 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jun 2009 20:40:47 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 1691A5085A; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:47 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Carmel NY's message of "Fri\, 26 Jun 2009 14\:01\:11 -0400") Message-ID: <44eit6sp81.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Adding data to existing CD/DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:40:49 -0000 Carmel NY writes: > I have tried both xfburn and cdrecord; however, I cannot figure out how > to add data to an existing CD, or create a CD that I can later add data > to. It seems that once the CD is written to, this disc is closed. I > have seen a few options that allow writing to the disk multiple times; > however, they are then only viewable on a FreeBSD system. I need to > create discs that are viewable on multiple OS's and that I can add data > to after the initial burn. Using mkisofs creates an ISO that makes > adding data to impossible as far as I can tell. You need to *not* fixate the disk, and on subsequent sessions you need to tell mkisofs where to start the new image. The burning command also needs to know that it's a multi-session disk. See the "-C" option for mkisofs, and the "-multi" option for cdrecord. My crib sheet for burning disks provides an example: # first session TZ=UTC-5 mkisofs -R $filenames |cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree -multi -data -tao - #other sessions OFST=`cdrecord -msinfo` echo $OFST TZ=UTC-5 mkisofs -M $dv -C $OFST -R $filenames |cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree -tao -multi -data -eject - > On windows, it is easily done. I just cannot get a handle on how to do > it on FreeBSD. Maybe I need a different program? Certainly the sysutils/k3b port makes it much simpler. But the command line is quite easy too, now that I have a working script written down. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 21:01:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D4C106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [64.146.239.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834A38FC0A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5QL1Uw5004640; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1246050091; bh=dcd8IPe+LyMzjLFgRE5vkJX8wAdgQJsUKt6B73/+MvY=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=bWH0birPSZAnv M4MBhUFgW7eAZrXDTkDdGd2rtCewsWWkWJLAOLu0NTK8zr75LFWO+EWsg0NpGcwRIXv BgQ3vyD0FpaaQ6RuHt8ErRT+llnn760yyJ2mlFroIx8b3Nj0t8XznN9xnZB7ye1HXjl s/8Fw/2bll230kj55Z77U8UE= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:25 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <12460400390643.1842379727.fomin@pisem.net> <200906261301.54442.kstewart@owt.com> <12460479580239.49250165.fomin@pisem.net> In-Reply-To: <12460479580239.49250165.fomin@pisem.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906261401.25592.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: fomin@pisem.net Subject: Re: my kernel is not build/install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:01:33 -0000 On Friday 26 June 2009 01:25:58 pm fomin@pisem.net wrote: > On Friday 26 June 2009 12:50:22 pm Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > > =CA=E8=F0=E8=EB=EB =C0. =D4=EE=EC=E8=ED wrote: > > > =C7=E4=F0=E0=E2=F1=F2=E2=F3=E9=F2=E5, Rolf. > > > > > > In my first mail i attach my config file. Latest i attach full console > > > output. > > > > > > =C2=FB =EF=E8=F1=E0=EB=E8 26 =E8=FE=ED=FF 2009 =E3., 23:35:14: > > >> Brent Bloxam wrote: > > >>> fomin@pisem.net wrote: > > >>>> When I make my kernel (make kernel KERNCONF=3DKERNEL) it stop whith > > >>>> **** Error code 1 > > >>> > > >>> According to Chapter 8.5 of the handbook > >=20 (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-bui= lding.html): > > >>>> 1. > > >>>> Change to the /usr/src directory: > > >>>> # cd /usr/src > > >>>> > > >>>> 2. > > >>>> Compile the kernel: > > >>>> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > > >>>> > > >>>> 3. > > >>>> Install the new kernel: > > >>>> # make installkernel KERNCONF=3DMYKERNEL > > >>> > > >>> You need to use `make buildkernel`, not `make kernel` > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >> > > >> According to the makefile, "make kernel" does "make buildkernel" + > > >> "make installkernel", so that shouldn't be the problem. Your question > > >> is very vague. Could you please attach the complete output (or at > > >> least the last portion of it, e.g. 10-15 lines or so). > > > > First, please do not reply to me only. Put the list on CC, in case > > somebody else has some insight on the matter. > > > > I looked at the kernel config file, but it is pretty difficult to see > > what is wrong, without either knowing all the options by heart or > > comparing it to the NOTES files. Moreover, I am sorry, but I cannot find > > the console output that you say you attached. Either I am blind or it > > got stripped somewhere on the way. > > He has umass > > # USB support > device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface > device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface > device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) > device usb # USB Bus (required) > #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices > device ugen # Generic > device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" > device ukbd # Keyboard > device ulpt # Printer > device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da > > But in his "SCSI peripherals" he has scbus and da commented out. > > Kent >May be Kent Stewart wright, cose http://dumpz.org/10103/. I try compile th= e=20 >my kernel whith the all "SCSI peripherals" uncomment.=20 You need to add the error messages. You got stdout and what was wrong was=20 still missing. I have a script that I use to do a build[world, kernel] that=20 uses /var/log/build. I added build to ..\log. It does nothing more than make buildkernel KERNCONF=3DFREEBSD1 2>&1 |=20 tee /var/log/build/bkernel-`date "+%Y%m%d-%H%M"`.log It leaves a complete log everytime I build a kernel. Your options would be= =20 different and I also use csh. Kent =2D-=20 Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 23:08:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E5E1065675 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06B68FC13 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:08:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D39416C004D; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:08:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5QN81DG001520; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:08:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:08:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Message-Id: <20090627010801.ad737199.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200906261540.53143.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <20090626052317.GB32901@thought.org> <20090626080102.ccc76a10.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906261540.53143.erich@apsara.com.sg> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:08:11 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:40:50 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On 26 June 2009 pm 14:01:02 Polytropon wrote: > > Maybe this is because vi scared me when using WEGA (which is > > the GDR's equivalent of UNIX System III, run on the P8000 > > was this the russian PDP-11? I'm not sure if there was a PDP-11 compatible system. Contruction mostly concentrated on IBM compatibles (and I don't mean PCs with that, of course). Maybe there's something USSR-special with a russian name (Iskra, Minsk, erm, no the Minsk wasn't a PDP-like...). There in fact was a system compatible to DEC's VAX architecture, the robotron K1840: http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/k1840.htm It did not only have software support for VAX (with its OS SVP1800), but as well for UNIX (with its OS MUTOS1800). As far as I know, the russians (i. e. the soviets) participated, like every country in the RGW, in manufacturing computers. From the USSR, especially processors were delivered, while other countries "specialized" on other fields, such as the GDR on magnetic tape units. The P8000 was manufactured by EAW in Berlin in the GDR. It was a UNIX System III multi-user workstation environment, used mostly for application programming. http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/p8000.htm http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/p8000compact.htm I still own such a system and would like to get it working some day (one P8000 and one P8000 compact). So much for today's history lesson. :-) > > multi-user workstation). Well, we were all young, many many > > years in the distant past. :-) > > You want to say 'yesterday'? No. Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away. :-) Being into that "computer stuff" makes you feel old, even when you're young, because you've already seen everything... > > When Bill G. arrives at the pearly gate, ol' Pete won't ask > > him what he did do, instead send him to MICROS~1 C:\HELL.EXE > > with the advice to click on the devil to start the everlasting > > pain. :-) > > I do not think so. He will go directly to heaven. Why? He made all > computer users pray that no data get lost when the machine > freezes again. And finally, he invented God, the Heaven, the Hell (delivered in small packages called "Windows"), the universe, life and everything. Children get educated that way, at least in today's german schools. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 23:15:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD6A106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A6A8FC12 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B6516C006E; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5QNEtTL001545; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:14:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:14:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Daniel Underwood Message-Id: <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, af300wsm@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:15:03 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:32:31 -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Hopefully Polytropon will chime in on this, but I had to install > TeXLive for everything to work. Ere I am, J. H., the ghost in the machine. :-) I've never tried TeXLive, I have to admit, because I NEVER had ANY problem using the teTeX package. And yes, I don't build it from source because pkg_add -r is so much comfortable. There are some tools that are a good "put aside" for teTeX, such as xpdf (which brings also pdftotext), and gv, dvitty, xdvi. > Suggestion: try teTeX. If you encounter problems, then install TeXLive. It would be nice to hear what - in such a case - has been the problem with teTeX that TeXLive then solved. As I said, I never found myself in such a situation, and I'm using LaTeX for nearly everything. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 26 23:59:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE7B106564A for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3199E8FC0C for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:59:44 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Polytropon Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:59:45 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261540.53143.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090627010801.ad737199.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090627010801.ad737199.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906270759.46793.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:59:55 -0000 Hi, On 27 June 2009 am 07:08:01 Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:40:50 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On 26 June 2009 pm 14:01:02 Polytropon wrote: > > > Maybe this is because vi scared me when using WEGA (which > > > is the GDR's equivalent of UNIX System III, run on the > > > P8000 > > > > was this the russian PDP-11? > > I'm not sure if there was a PDP-11 compatible system. > Contruction mostly concentrated on IBM compatibles (and I don't > mean PCs with that, of course). Maybe there's something > USSR-special with a russian name (Iskra, Minsk, erm, no the > Minsk wasn't a PDP-like...). > there was a PDP copy available but it is not mentioned on this site: > http://www.robotrontechnik.de/index.htm?/html/computer/k1840.ht >m > > And finally, he invented God, the Heaven, the Hell (delivered > in small packages called "Windows"), the universe, life and > everything. Children get educated that way, at least in today's > german schools. :-) A real bad development, also here. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 00:53:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2B0106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F028FC17 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:53:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2262302ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VQuLxgGb/CMMuoP7iBzLiLC232agW2460V9S0GmE3qY=; b=EBU6+g3BDXErqwA9xVR65cjt+IZ4kQJ44bK88l7kGCoOZS/jcB5r1HRs3klzWVAYSs nfFGljQim8qM8gUjJQ8yPPm9xNKkw6ABlb47pyS+OpiUZsqdFok2GWI46te163M+NvMg hgdGH9X8JQRBH9HevytcyvMs3N++Bi0G2HKaU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eVZRNYC2ZfrJcwOGBa85vKWuTtI2eSxLlUcWC8w5RpDD1uzjvsBYMmC/9h1H5fMKOu N8za+ysnp4YV1GVWBn+bP5LeWwG52BY4I45kn6YbXn38QJbyzwGlNucAdYFgymT24/gO l2DCPfPNLqCs4UXo9n9nrcKjfyHHgBYhU8+zc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.19.210 with SMTP id n60mr1313659wen.107.1246064026564; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:53:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:53:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, af300wsm@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:53:48 -0000 Polytropon, here is the problem I was having: Granted, that's not much to go on :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 00:58:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405D7106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25708FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2263889ewy.43 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:58:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bBMnolEdPmOri6ecsXPrx+D+bOtOXaSmhi05zNG5NF8=; b=JLol/TaGwcF/o0pPIn4+JQ1SXr2Wf7Jk+EZp8vi14vCScZ1aJpFV/vKsBZ4pagGDmV 2M3uS+AzW2fdKq/LXAFZFADp8fjDO6x87dpApYB7WcA6XLjbyptd8wEAtw+5ghQHwLU5 5zPp6gLuWW4j1+FJXizQcAJuoRYuoSkxmXT74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jVDzrmIQ6LANdO1XgKGkBMyp4nJ05C65nl21sYQOOzMOcYUVpr1B6Qbh8XCq7bvQWb nnO35KtBxzWz59LdfJr7uZr93uOuQ+WZAUBl6cAIIGCEQcApcuewjeJh2ztTIzAoX6x7 uk4tEGaE6XYWGDGVqpJZoTxsbv8Wyi1AR4aZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.45.207 with SMTP id p57mr1361227web.94.1246064323784; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:58:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200906270759.46793.erich@apsara.com.sg> References: <4A430505.2020909@gmail.com> <200906261540.53143.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090627010801.ad737199.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906270759.46793.erich@apsara.com.sg> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:58:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:58:45 -0000 > That's a very good suggestion. But let's take into mind that we > do need the most advanced and modern MICROS~1 technology, so > FreeBSD should include a pirated copy of "Windows 7" in order > to run the latest and most expensive pirated copy of "Office", > programmed in Java, running through "Flash". With music. And > dancing puppies. Hah! I'll have to use this paragraph. Hilarious. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 01:21:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250F51065673 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55F28FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E8516C010D; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:21:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5R1L2eG002500; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:21:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:21:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Daniel Underwood Message-Id: <20090627032102.e9c0e7de.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, af300wsm@gmail.com Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:21:10 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:53:46 -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > Polytropon, here is the problem I was having: > > > Granted, that's not much to go on :) Ah, I see, the famous xcolor package. Okay, I have to admit that I never used it before, so no problem for teTeX from the ports. Until now, I was fine with usepackage(color) and usepackage(colortbl), then rowcolor, columncolor and cellcolor, and finally colorbox. Seems that I am not a color-power-user. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 04:29:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0541065672 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from dns.msk.asap.bg (dns.msk.asap.bg [78.90.206.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF168FC16 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterpub2@aboutsupport.com) Received: from [10.30.1.106] (unknown [95.87.202.193]) by dns.msk.asap.bg (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EB339836 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:29:04 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4A45A012.70804@aboutsupport.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:29:06 +0300 From: Peter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20090626180448.GB37243@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <20090626180448.GB37243@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: torrents.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:29:07 -0000 Chris Cowart wrote: > Hello, > > I'm currently trying to setup a bittorrent tracker to distribute files, > Hi, Try http://www.freenas.org/ --> it comes with web panel and has Bittorent module along other modules. Peter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 06:51:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2925106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1F88FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so1842423yxe.3 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:51:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SIjO6NNOvKoOvJS1TbTRZ09W2UM2ilO0QfAHoRF8cHk=; b=ahlC+uJ1F2X/Oic5j6FGQj0t5ncIFNS4CUfz4HdzwGAXMan0XSPBDzPBBORJdJe9JV MgRk4ajhTKsFwfyPJmbuUg/ieS3ItB+Spdh7WurmbK8YEN/2BQ9cbIMie9P1yiPwkc56 Rv5vji7UYnL5a3lVofKkb+gIELbGwTOK7VOuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=c2D2zoTMtbs/Ji4fyTKxAdQAoD/9O+7+E6B/DbG/exywqyDLhp2YQpsKJoWO7Xt/am 9raoEo1HFR7aIhzFNdBCvKPQHiZGrvllF/HcXAW0d5Pn/q7JZjJ+TnH4/pJpVvjVkeK3 bsOK3vncLtf8FWjGpAVwdz4KIpfjE/Gxz7EPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.38.19 with SMTP id q19mr1374731ybj.76.1246085513957; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:51:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20906260737u7768f5a4j9955f78e64789579@mail.gmail.com> References: <80f4f2b20906260737u7768f5a4j9955f78e64789579@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0906262351m4d6823b2if75a849d2f9accf1@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Jim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: QEMU + FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:51:56 -0000 On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Jim wrote: > I have installed FreeBSD 7.2 on my notebook in the last week, and > installed QEmu as well. > > I cannot seem to get the network interface working. It works on my > desktop machine, but that is running 7.0 > > looking around, I tried to find some other options, and went here: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/qemu > > and got stuck at this step: > # sysctl net.link.ether.bridge_cfg=fxp0,tap0 > # sysctl net.link.ether.bridge.enable=1 > > because nothing matching "net.link.ether.bridge*" exists. > > Does anyone know of a current good setup document? > > thanks, > -Jim Stapleton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > There is vde2 port for it depending networking needs, standard dhcp/nat slirp type should work straight from standard install of qemu though. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 07:06:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B233E106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4640E8FC1B for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5R75NwX076140; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:05:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 00536BA98; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:05:22 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090627070522.GA70447@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <001e680f0e34832979046d404faf@google.com> <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090627011455.a6078fa0.freebsd@edvax.de> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Olivier Nicole , Daniel Underwood , af300wsm@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:06:12 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:14:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:32:31 -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > Hopefully Polytropon will chime in on this, but I had to install > > TeXLive for everything to work. >=20 > Ere I am, J. H., the ghost in the machine. :-) >=20 > I've never tried TeXLive, I have to admit, because I NEVER had ANY > problem using the teTeX package. And yes, I don't build it from > source because pkg_add -r is so much comfortable. TeXLive now has FreeBSD binary packages (i386 & amd64) as well. > > Suggestion: try teTeX. If you encounter problems, then install TeXLive. >=20 > It would be nice to hear what - in such a case - has been the > problem with teTeX that TeXLive then solved. As I said, I never > found myself in such a situation, and I'm using LaTeX for > nearly everything. There are a lot of things that TeXLive has that teTeX doesn't; - latin modern fonts [http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/latin-moder= n] - tex gyre fonts [http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/] Both of these font families have a much greater range of diacretical markers available. And they look very good. Latin Modern is an expanded and improved version of Computer Modern. Both families are written as OpenType fonts. - XeTeX [http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=3Dnrsi&item_id= =3Dxetex] Better support for typesetting in non-european languages. - LuaTeX [http://www.luatex.org/] Integration of the Lua scripting language into TeX. This will make TeX more powerfull, and the writing of macro packages easier. - conTeXt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConTeXt] - more recent releases, with updated macro packages. - more macro packages available and integrated. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpFxLIACgkQEnfvsMMhpyU8AwCgm2Of1D10g3pMj8/EFpECFHXY D9YAn0ibu+p4XZuGsiS7cZp+nJ+N3pNF =WN0G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 07:17:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EF61065673 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reichp@austin.rr.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3C98FC16 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reichp@austin.rr.com) Received: from [192.168.5.229] (really [72.177.34.227]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090627060022355.NYD4450@hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:00:22 +0000 From: Patrick Reich To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090626202632.68F1C10656B7@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20090626202632.68F1C10656B7@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:00:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1246082421.25793.11.camel@acheron.bluewinds.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:17:33 -0000 On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 20:26 +0000, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:40:44 +0200 > From: Roland Smith > Subject: Re: Re: Which latex should I install > To: af300wsm@gmail.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20090626164044.GA31370@slackbox.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21:37AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > > > Is there a FBSD port of TeXLive? > > > > > > No, but it's not necessary. Just go here > > > and download the DVD > image. > > > > well.. I'll wait for some kind sole to put a texlive port together. > > Tetex port has been enough for me for some years now. > > The thing is that teTeX hasn't been updated in years. It has in fact > been deprecated in favor of TeXLive. This is not a big problem with > the > basic TeX engine, because that doesn't change that much. But pdfTeX (a > TeX that generates PDF output instead of DVI) has been evolving > rapidly. And you'll miss out on several years of updates of the macro > packages (like LaTeX and ConTeXt). > > Another consideration is that TeXLive contains a much larger choice of > additional packages than teTeX. > > So I would advise you to install TeXLive. The latest DVD comes with > FreeBSD binaries. > > Look at the mailing list archives for threads called "LaTeX oder > teTeX" > in October 2007, and "Installing latest version of LaTeX" in June > 2009. In those threads I've posted some instructions on how to get > TeXLive to work. Installation is pretty easy, but you have to change > login.conf and manpath.conf to use the binaries and manpages. Normally > TeXLive keeps everything under its own tree (/usr/local/texlive), so > it > won't mess up the trees /usr/local/{bin,share,...}. Do _not_ tell the > installer to put symbolic links in /usr/local/bin! That way removing > TeXLive is as easy as removing /usr/local/texlive. One thing to add here is that the ports tree remains tied to teTeX. If you install TexLive (either from DVD or Romain's) and then install a port like texmacs, lyx, texmaker, or auctex to edit your files, you'll pull in teTeX as a dependency. You end up with both teTeX and TeXLive installed. If someone knows how to avoid the duplicity, please do chime in - I'm not a fan of having both. I require TeXLive for the mathematics typesetting I do. 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You can then get a meaningful > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) > > [1]+ Exit 1 firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com There is nothing relevant to the crash in Xorg.0.log or console.log -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 08:19:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1D61065670 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE1E8FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5R8IwNi007524; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:18:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 83182BA98; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:18:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:18:58 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Patrick Reich Message-ID: <20090627081858.GA73349@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090626202632.68F1C10656B7@hub.freebsd.org> <1246082421.25793.11.camel@acheron.bluewinds.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1246082421.25793.11.camel@acheron.bluewinds.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:19:05 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:00:21AM -0500, Patrick Reich wrote: > One thing to add here is that the ports tree remains tied to > teTeX. If you install TexLive (either from DVD or Romain's) > and then install a port like texmacs, lyx, texmaker, or auctex > to edit your files, you'll pull in teTeX as a dependency. You > end up with both teTeX and TeXLive installed. If someone knows > how to avoid the duplicity, please do chime in - I'm not a fan > of having both. I require TeXLive for the mathematics typesetting > I do. What I do is change the Makefiles of the ports in question to remove the dependancies on teTeX. My way of doing that is creating a patch for the Makefile and re-applying that after each update of the ports tree. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkpF1fIACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUJagCZAT1cRHlTEf4Fj9It2TqULKVJ J/MAn2O22/IPWY3YLCHa7mexYTAHgJFQ =ZdSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 08:24:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0997B106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:24:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ACA8FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glyn@millingtons.org) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,300,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="106362319" Received: from unknown (HELO glynthebearded.millingtons.org) ([82.152.120.109]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 09:24:05 +0100 Received: by glynthebearded.millingtons.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7B21A5D0F; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:18:41 +0100 (BST) From: Glyn Millington To: Patrick Reich Organization: Central Church, Torquay, U.K. References: <20090626202632.68F1C10656B7@hub.freebsd.org> <1246082421.25793.11.camel@acheron.bluewinds.org> X-Liturgical-Date: Optional Memorial: Saint Cyril of Alexandria, bishop and doctor of the Church, A.D. 2009 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:18:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1246082421.25793.11.camel@acheron.bluewinds.org> (Patrick Reich's message of "Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:00:21 -0500") Message-ID: <86hby2nl7i.fsf@nowhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which latex should I install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glyn@millingtons.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:24:07 -0000 Patrick Reich writes: > One thing to add here is that the ports tree remains tied to > teTeX. If you install TexLive (either from DVD or Romain's) > and then install a port like texmacs, lyx, texmaker, or auctex > to edit your files, you'll pull in teTeX as a dependency. You > end up with both teTeX and TeXLive installed. If someone knows > how to avoid the duplicity, please do chime in Hi Patrick, Just to say that "duplicity" usually means something like "deceitful and dishonest behaviour" - duplication is what you want to avoid! I only mention it because this is a slip that could get you into serious trouble in the wrong context!! :-) You are right about the ports tree and my way round this has been to edit the relevant port Makefie and simply remove the dependency under BUILD_DEPENDS, LIB_DEPENDS and RUN_DEPENDS. Most things then find TeXLive and build themselves nicely after that. There may be an automated way of doing this but I haven't found it yet. atb Glyn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 10:05:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4504A1065674 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FC78FC25 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2414597ewy.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:05:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z4dTY6bx2MFz0gpRxK5tWJWjmbDTlzLckAqo7e3BSBg=; b=DlrxAkUYLgdfhdl8xDqJYjn31MUMwt3az57Qx4Js0Z9KMGeGf7sPUkCCkwxvAfIMEu ydsUyX3KEmWp34N4npn3hMytP+jU+6kFaQahH6ab1jGyoCATsKZU8u0fsMlzLs7myqzz fetOwpzWo74FnEEFv3ADnz3FNG77hD3eOxXTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=enp+H8QfTrsVkZwYagSCO2rbGGFSRZ4AvwAdMVnUdhlxjdi/gyF3mkFIXIZmNF1R6l 5uIS6EIscMNC5Xc3z4QV0Y9TVyYW7PcK2+6/CwlTM9cqm8+x32UeGROxPXcCybCaZdqe +ir9+e9Gf1MP2PlS4vYqzsv4YOsT9ohfRA12U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.82 with SMTP id 60mr1481534wew.36.1246097106127; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:05:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A45A012.70804@aboutsupport.com> References: <20090626180448.GB37243@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> <4A45A012.70804@aboutsupport.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:04:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: Peter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: torrents.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:05:08 -0000 2009/6/27 Peter : > > > Chris Cowart wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm currently trying to setup a bittorrent tracker to distribute files, >> > > Hi, > > Try http://www.freenas.org/ --> it comes with web panel and has > Bittorent module along other modules. > > Peter http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ This software is EASY, and very configurable. The world's largest bittorrent tracker uses it... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 10:28:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A405A1065674 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D8F8FC19 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU0-SMTP96 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:28:21 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [76.23.177.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.23.177.172]) by BLU0-SMTP96.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:28:21 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC331228E8 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@hotmail.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9CA1C228E5 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:28:19 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <44eit6sp81.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <44eit6sp81.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2009 10:28:21.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEA8CD70:01C9F711] Subject: Re: Adding data to existing CD/DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:28:22 -0000 On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:46 -0400 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > You need to *not* fixate the disk, and on subsequent sessions you need > to tell mkisofs where to start the new image. The burning command > also needs to know that it's a multi-session disk. See the "-C" > option for mkisofs, and the "-multi" option for cdrecord. > > My crib sheet for burning disks provides an example: > > # first session > TZ=UTC-5 mkisofs -R $filenames |cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree -multi > -data -tao - > > #other sessions > OFST=`cdrecord -msinfo` > echo $OFST > TZ=UTC-5 mkisofs -M $dv -C $OFST -R $filenames |cdrecord -v > driveropts=burnfree -tao -multi -data -eject - OK, using your instructions, I am able to create the disk just fine. However, when I attempt to add data to it, it bombs out. I created a script and then used it to try and add two files to the disk using your instructions. This is the output: $ Update-CD.sh Joker-1.csv k3b.txt Joker-1.csv k3b.txt 0,11702 Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J\ufffdrg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot do mlockall(2). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. mkisofs: Invalid argument. Open by 'devname' not supported on this OS. Cannot open SCSI driver. mkisofs: Invalid argument. Unable to open previous session image -C scsidev: '3,0,0' scsibus: 3 target: 0 lun: 0 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. Driveropts: 'burnfree' SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: 0 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 1 Vendor_info : 'PHILIPS ' Identifikation : 'DVD8801 ' Revision : 'GW02' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x002B Profile: 0x001B Profile: 0x001A Profile: 0x0016 Profile: 0x0015 Profile: 0x0014 Profile: 0x0013 Profile: 0x0011 Profile: 0x0010 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x0008 cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. cdrecord: If you need DVD-R/DVD-RW support, ask the Author for cdrecord-ProDVD. cdrecord: Free test versions and free keys for personal use are at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 1073152 = 1048 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data unknown length Total size: 0 MB (00:00.00) = 0 sectors Lout start: 0 MB (00:02/00) = 0 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71) Disk type: Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation cdrecord: WARNING: Total disk size unknown. Data may not fit on disk. cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority(). cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns. Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 32 in real TAO mode for multi session. Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. cdrecord: Premature EOF on stdin. cdrecord: Input buffer error, aborting. cdrecord: fifo had 1 puts and 0 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. As you can see, nothing was written. I am using brand new CD/R disks that work on other platforms so I don't think that is the problem. since I can create the original disc, I can obviously write to one. do you have any ideas what the problem might be? Thanks! -- Carmel carmel@hotmail.com WARNING TO ALL PERSONNEL: Firings will continue until morale improves. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 10:57:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B1A1065670 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB0948FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12519 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2009 10:57:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Virus-Scanned; b=pRAyf8Vf2ia/zsgrQRUOaFc8pFjFsOcGXKeIxHddD0iJhnrsN6vU+BZa+gtMMFqvwzVgNgnh18jWMF/+2M6m/3kPcvV7KjEAUCoEs9U2CxSvL1EF8p6tkPEjzGg39+XgTVsQvMKN8pUJhJlm1rlO8VWgsP6YNkns8bm1eBOH4Yk= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 03:57:02 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: g5Az7vcVM1nDQsb85fdy2KZF1cWEFQt0czG3yqVprelcWiS41hwyEU2qIZK05LCDFZjXYsTUlQZ8CZJhfpr6G021EgOsOj8GfLeGL6iIh.E5mGDK9Ym_suF3gptJ8PrS9F.wOPs3fgP0NkyAmSWLARc7MdrQdWx_OfqSu7GuNQipdsV4PXSUbFPGZGzryaN66PbeENmn.SzX5FJhiOSOlYYbwMjbSI44_D8zUp_IxTUuApBiOU0Cnr3Ner_IfXyAkGRxnQWxhQkOzEndF6xvYwqIdD2THwDRz7h1cn_IFrLV.T5gke9UaQeymkTQGkYitp8dYnodFA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6172E228E8 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@yahoo.com) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 20281228E5 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 06:57:02 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090627065702.4adaca75@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <44eit6sp81.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Adding data to existing CD/DVD (FIXED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:57:04 -0000 I found the problem. I had to manually set the '$dv" variable. Actually, I have "CDR_DEVICE=3,0,0" set in the environment so all I had to do was use for mkisofs. It still outputs some error notations; however, I assume that they are harmless. Thanks for your assistance. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com When God saw how faulty was man He tried again and made woman. As to why he then stopped there are two opinions. One of them is woman's. DeGourmont From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 11:53:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042111065673 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfpleal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1988FC16 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfpleal@gmail.com) Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so2451556ewy.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:53:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EM+9FIieNUzmkYK2uN75WQ72aewHsq2MRQx0DWqyYDw=; b=t/fKkgl83O1yABsuWl1e/ztovqhdNc9gp632t5lDqg+s9s9oLFK+mZxW5BfPC17PKz oWiFlwJyDoeu5mb0LjqEZL+/qehjHdpqvQAlA4JgooI5Xg1y9fdf5AlL5rPsQyaodKAd /1+Uj9PJ3naNdAVDU+PC0m1XSYGre5F/GHC+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ntJV7F2h4iCyQuABJOm32HD76c1AAdVJ1OK9D6/h3NWhgva76wxyw8jZry3jPYTHM6 qhsC5Dt4zUFOt2QWoNlZCObYqT9tmY3dl+lvUM8KouDJSJ5RGFQztlXTkECy9YpomnoO TpityWxJQ/XHoULGXMloebTjaheM4/a+qvupk= Received: by 10.210.13.17 with SMTP id 17mr761150ebm.67.1246102398017; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.200? (bl5-28-120.dsl.telepac.pt [82.154.28.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm5173569eyd.28.2009.06.27.04.33.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A460472.5000803@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:37:22 +0100 From: Daniel Leal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: cant burn a cd iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:53:50 -0000 Hi ! I am trying to burn a iso in my laptop with freebsd 7.2 Installed cdrtools and then kldload atapicam. Then I looked for the cdrom: #cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J?rg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus2: 2,0,0 200) 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-K17A' '1.51' Removable CD-ROM 2,1,0 201) * 2,2,0 202) * 2,3,0 203) * 2,4,0 204) * 2,5,0 205) * 2,6,0 206) * 2,7,0 207) * So I try to burn the iso with the comand: # cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 myfile.iso It seams to start correctly, but in the midle gave me the input/output error: Can someone help me please? Thanks Here is all what I could get from the -v option:cdrecord: No write mode specified. cdrecord: Asuming -tao mode. cdrecord: Future versions of cdrecord may have different drive dependent defaults. cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds... Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jrg Schilling TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '2,0,0' scsibus: 2 target: 0 lun: 0 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: 0 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 0 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : Vendor_info : 'PIONEER ' Identifikation : 'DVD-RW DVR-K17A' Revision : '1.51' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x002B Profile: 0x001B Profile: 0x001A Profile: 0x0015 Profile: 0x0014 Profile: 0x0013 Profile: 0x0012 Profile: 0x0002 Profile: 0x0011 Profile: 0x0010 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x0008 cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. cdrecord: If you need DVD-R/DVD-RW support, ask the Author for cdrecord-ProDVD. cdrecord: Free test versions and free keys for personal use are at ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/ Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 1267712 = 1238 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 616 MB Total size: 708 MB (70:12.05) = 315904 sectors Lout start: 708 MB (70:14/04) = 315904 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4) ATIP start of lead in: -11834 (97:24/16) ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74) Disk type: Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 24 Manufacturer: SONY Corporation Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 43945 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 24 in real TAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is OFF. Performing OPC... Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 499 of 616 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 79%] 20.6x.cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error CDB: 2A 00 00 03 E6 A9 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 71 00 03 00 56 42 66 0E 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x3 Medium Error, deferred error, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x0C Qual 0x00 (write error) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 5653094 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s write track data: error after 523585536 bytes cdrecord: A write error occured. cdrecord: Please properly read the error message above. Writing time: 287.920s Average write speed 15.0x. Min drive buffer fill was 42% Fixating... cdrecord: Input/output error. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: retryable error CDB: 5B 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0E 00 00 00 00 72 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x72 Qual 0x03 (session fixation error - incomplete track in session) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 1.353s timeout 480s cmd finished after 1.353s timeout 480s cdrecord: Cannot fixate disk. Fixating time: 1.467s cdrecord: fifo had 8311 puts and 8248 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 2899 times full, min fill was 85%. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 13:13:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F9E1065674 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from bossdog.realss.com (bossdog.realss.com [211.157.114.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5178FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2B41C00D2; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:53:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from bossdog.realss.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bossdog.realss.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24603-15; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:53:29 +0800 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (unknown [123.116.122.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9E01C00CE; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:53:28 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <4A461623.3050904@realss.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:52:51 +0800 From: Zhang Weiwu User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Leal References: <4A460472.5000803@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A460472.5000803@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bossdog.realss.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant burn a cd iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:14 -0000 Daniel Leal wrote: > Hi ! > It seams to start correctly, but in the midle gave me the input/output > error: > Can someone help me please? I guess you first try to burn something with a different CDR (better CD-RW in order not to waist), try different speed (set to speed=4 and see). Both helps locating the problem. I would also try to use a Linux Live CD so if it also does not work in Linux, you can suspect more on hardware problems then your FreeBSD setup. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 13:13:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9921D1065675 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from bossdog.realss.com (bossdog.realss.com [211.157.114.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6178FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12041C00CF for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:49:59 +0800 (CST) Received: from bossdog.realss.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bossdog.realss.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08205-05 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:49:57 +0800 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (unknown [123.116.122.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEEC41C00CE for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:49:57 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <4A461551.7090702@realss.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:49:21 +0800 From: Zhang Weiwu User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bossdog.realss.com Subject: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:13:14 -0000 Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri, parse it twice: first time get subject & second time get content, and send it as email to me. $ w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy----------------40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5' | grep -A 100 对比 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy----------------40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=1&ssid=e-s5' | grep 找到.*件 | base64 -w0`'?=' zhangweiwu@realss.com The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two places when the URI changes (and it does!). How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner? By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using: $ mail -s '=?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?=' instead of $ mail -s $subject Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64 encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8' must not be omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are required by RFC. How do you think? 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Contact the Editor at press@decofinder.com for partnership contact us partenaire@decofinder.com copyright DISTRIMART SA - 2000 - 2009 - Disclaim CNIL N* 1064231 info@decofinder.com Unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 13:48:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBC11065675 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3750A8FC16 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from tau.draftnet (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4045B8AF1; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:48:20 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Daniel Leal Message-ID: <20090627144820.5d0b4818@tau.draftnet> In-Reply-To: <4A460472.5000803@gmail.com> References: <4A460472.5000803@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.2; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cant burn a cd iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:48:29 -0000 On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:37:22 +0100 Daniel Leal wrote: > Hi ! > > I am trying to burn a iso in my laptop with freebsd 7.2 > > Installed cdrtools and then kldload atapicam. > > Then I looked for the cdrom: > #cdrecord -scanbus > > Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 > J?rg Schilling > Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. > scsibus2: > 2,0,0 200) 'PIONEER ' 'DVD-RW DVR-K17A' '1.51' Removable > CD-ROM 2,1,0 201) * > 2,2,0 202) * > 2,3,0 203) * > 2,4,0 204) * > 2,5,0 205) * > 2,6,0 206) * > 2,7,0 207) * > > So I try to burn the iso with the comand: > # cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 myfile.iso You could also add 'driveropts=burnfree' to enable buffer underrun protection since it's not enabled by default. -- Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 13:51:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC827106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27C028FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Jun 2009 13:51:33 -0000 Received: from ipa45.95.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.254.1]) [79.107.95.45] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 27 Jun 2009 15:51:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Ii7RuyLTIs+qJVQzHF/J8kt9FpInwk2VYw0qVOA 7/c6LsuhtjGFHo Message-ID: <4A4623A8.80904@gmx.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:50:32 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: budsz References: <4d4dc3640906250021l6c46be44he009a61cbfd571ba@mail.gmail.com> <4A433AF7.5090802@gmx.com> <4d4dc3640906250600s1ce50f1cm143460ec1cb9d302@mail.gmail.com> <4A4383C2.6050809@gmx.com> <4d4dc3640906250717m65b5895ct85af94a7510711d6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4dc3640906250717m65b5895ct85af94a7510711d6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE trouble handshaking X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:51:36 -0000 budsz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >> budsz wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis >>> wrote: >>>> budsz wrote: >>>>> I got problem with FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE as router. I use TPLINK modem as >>>>> bridging to my box. >>>> Could you run "tcpdump -ni rl1" while trying and post >>>> it to the list? >>> If problem appear, I will do it. This problem not regularly, I got the >>> same problem 2 week ago and today. I don't know what happen exactly, >>> but I can dialing again after 3 hours. >> So, your configuration works, but at times it gets disconnected. >> And when that disconnection happens, it fails to re-connect. That >> means that if you pull the modem's power plug, you'll be able to >> establish a connection after some time and not immediately, right? >> >> 1) You should also "enable echo" along with "enable lqr". >> >> When you pull the FreeBSD's ethernet plug does it work? >> 2) You should watch the logs and wait for it to disconnect, plug >> the ethernet in and wait to re-connect on its own. >> >> 3) Then you should try the same with the DSL line, pull the plug >> from the modem and it should behave the same way, that is >> disconnect and re-connect on its own. >> >> Do these three steps and if everything works, wait for the >> random disconnection to happen. It should behave the same way. >> >> tcpdump is your friend while trying the above. > > OK, dud. Right now I got some problem here output tcpdump -ni rl1: > > 20:14:58.764661 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009043C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:14:58.864426 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x009043C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:00.799157 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:00.799165 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:04.014864 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:04.031335 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:05.905186 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:05.905193 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:08.964978 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:09.064289 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC05C5CC2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:11.011223 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:11.011231 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:14.164175 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:14.181137 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x008922C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:16.117251 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:16.117259 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:19.248075 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:19.264056 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0xC0595CC2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:22.367294 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x007D22C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:22.367302 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:22.367311 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [Service-Name] > 20:15:25.464788 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x007D22C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:25.480781 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:25.497286 PPPoE PADO [Host-Uniq 0x408612C2] [AC-Name > "BRAS-D3-BDG-8Y224150703147"] [Service-Name] > 20:15:27.473336 PPPoE PADI [Host-Uniq 0x805B5CC2] [Service-Name] > Does this goes on for 3 hours? I see nothing strange above, except that it goes no further than the PADI/PADO sequence. Do you have any firewall rules? I would suggest asking your ISP about this strange phenomenon. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 14:02:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB65106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl (hook.uz.zgora.pl [212.109.128.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AC68FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cblasius@gmail.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB12510EF for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:02:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: AntiSPAM System - University of Zielona Gora Received: from hook.uz.zgora.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hook.uz.zgora.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id veMt9MPZ5acE for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from komp.skl (xdsl-5405.zgora.dialog.net.pl [84.40.169.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hook.uz.zgora.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D3A1510ED for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:02:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Zbigniew Komarnicki To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:02:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <200906261401.28620.cblasius@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200906261401.28620.cblasius@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906271602.17925.cblasius@gmail.com> Subject: Re: kernel panic - umount xfs partition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:02:27 -0000 ... > # mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s2 /mnt > # ls /mnt > # cp /mnt/my_file /home/zbigniew I forgot add here that I do then # umount /mnt and after that was kernel panic. I'm sorry for the mistake. Zbigniew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 14:21:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6141065687 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0189A8FC0C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l9so615650rvb.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:21:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vNe3Iy+PbSTZnlUBmTeRLaeDX2zSyDO6fjAsqg6w2rc=; b=Fns8K/zybA3kbffV5stQGjP2odclg2ZjFzmEugd2YhHvt1oJqmrQDpxndOv55GENUk MaijgHQcTaxDbqWzPTYFL+ZWgOjohv3V0QPWD8hMGHeQ0vE8X6Uom1WyyCYn+oAF6p79 z71XeZM8ifklNJjCJw5Ex4OFX7dgqzr6fA2/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KeY4HZgw/B5Eh6982MbDoKef0QyIMSqch8CSUNB8HpnGcaz/i1GonlpQLY8j3u33pY ksfgyuqlsI9elZjgH1pBgwRhHr4iOzrfMZ+1uRJaqvmenk2esWhta7lzJVHynPk3RlxK BuPxOxdztcwDxu9zyCuPKYdaauqgm9VD/OvZw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.37.8 with SMTP id p8mr1447781rvj.154.1246112463694; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:21:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A461551.7090702@realss.com> References: <4A461551.7090702@realss.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:21:03 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660906270721v6908c058l53cc574ce43f40a1@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Zhang Weiwu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions mailing list Subject: Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:21:04 -0000 Zhang, Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute "/home/you/bin/foo", where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script. Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line? -Modulok- On 6/27/09, Zhang Weiwu wrote: > Hello. I wrote this one-line command to fetch a page from a long uri, > parse it twice: first time get subject & second time get content, and > send it as email to me. > > $ w3m -dump > 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy--------------= --40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=3D1&ssid=3De-s5' > | grep -A 100 =B6=D4=B1=C8 | mail -a 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset= =3DUTF-8' -s > '=3D?UTF-8?B?'`w3m -dump > 'http://search1.taobao.com/browse/33/n-g,w6y4zzjaxxymvjomxy--------------= --40--commend-0-all-33.htm?at_topsearch=3D1&ssid=3De-s5' > | grep =D5=D2=B5=BD.*=BC=FE | base64 -w0`'?=3D' zhangweiwu@realss.com > > > The stupid part of this script is it fetches the page 2 times and parse > 2 times, thus making the command very long. If I can write the command > in a way that the URI only appear once, then it is easier for me to > maintain it. I plan to put it in cron yet avoid having to modify two > places when the URI changes (and it does!). > > How do you suggest optimizing the one-liner? > > By the way I feel it stupid having to wrap the subject by using: > $ mail -s '=3D?UTF-8?B?'`echo $subject | base64`'?=3D' > > instead of > $ mail -s $subject > > Because mail(1), as defined, intelligent user agent, should know the > current locale is UTF-8 and should know UTF-8 header must be base64 > encoded for RFC compatibility. Yet it also should know if mail body is > UTF-8 the header 'Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8' must not be > omitted in case of UTF-8 content. I think this is a bug, as both are > required by RFC. How do you think? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 14:41:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E87106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f191.google.com (mail-px0-f191.google.com [209.85.216.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0368FC17 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so2271557pxi.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:41:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ilac6trq3tz67JDUZgAVUIyf7IREpfgjg1H7CIzpQAw=; b=tmVK6zK7QJ8yo+xQWBUYv0qtCYqxBw0Jzh1/8B4x9dUcMdNlJgaWTxi80JQ8E2hOQs NAFzJxhSan8c2istYKDTVgjeozKkHTTshzIBhB2qkP6jmIbBMk/wbJMuKLGoS5fBU9Tt Vel/HPxoXrQtwY7V6aPGVUSeQ5fhDrVlb0mAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pj20t/8S+9+juOOrw85Yfxlmhmbccup96ODtdkZ4GI7aNfrXIaiNEHUu+13h6hyaI9 /50ccjuoMxp53eougsPExC59DZC3EYzDbqpEif5uqh/0qcQbiJ8nV0w1+7eIlcymVAp1 L+6Kfe1h1ojY6qOGnNG4fpUO4N3e/tVoN+O3o= Received: by 10.114.103.8 with SMTP id a8mr2444229wac.215.1246113704609; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pbbi.freebsd.localdomain ([122.162.52.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm8025385wag.65.2009.06.27.07.41.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:11:43 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090618) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Other browsers show the same behaviour (Firefox crashes on yahoo.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:41:46 -0000 The problem is not restricted to firefox or yahoo.com. There are other sites too where this happens. I built Galeon from ports, and it shows exactly the same behaviour as firefox2/firefox3 for those sites. So does Epiphany (installed from the distribution media). > Hi, > > This seems to be a strange problem with Firefox which I never encountered on my old system. Both Firefox2 and Firefox3 work well the other sites I have tried accessing, but crash on navigating to www.yahoo.com > >> /usr/home/emmjanex # firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com & >> [1] 2668 >> /usr/home/emmjanex # NP_Initialize >> New >> SetWindow >> SetWindow >> NewStream >> WriteReady >> Write >> decoding... >> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >> The error was 'BadImplementation (server does not implement operation)'. >> (Details: serial 31 error_code 17 request_code 140 minor_code 5) >> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) >> >> [1]+ Exit 1 firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com > > > There is nothing relevant to the crash in Xorg.0.log or console.log -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 14:47:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65906106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f191.google.com (mail-px0-f191.google.com [209.85.216.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E778FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so2273943pxi.3 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xLWmY9w2ersfpAKjW+tZ6hhbbdqFlF9s16IbLFB4OR0=; b=nURalk8/kdNbL86B8jhsCdTNrI1oi+1T+yipTDXXNBEimjYoh5B4ja6ZHZwdw1Ro9w q1UIfjN7GXV7ikmDZmwV0FreXXhqpopuTwhApEoyoFExY8N5EvtwboNJ2DeGVa4JXeSl 6JqPdMXb32oU1nVEBFhZH04zMBbgnl41aP28U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CkwtnIJaGOr3BMnQ2drDV6axUfIHcsTQg8soSUrFNqt+iN0Lqfmv0hNTbj8SZrnf2H qrBbxk58EcDbxZE8UI8arZFb/lVtGfwTZ4T2L1iwrML8vgjoPvqSYWYqpHrO/K7g2cgX GDESA/EUM7Pjn+TpqHMyo4Vncr5fKchjjUdI8= Received: by 10.114.15.9 with SMTP id 9mr7821480wao.82.1246114033884; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pbbi.freebsd.localdomain ([122.162.52.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j28sm8014594waf.32.2009.06.27.07.47.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A4630F0.4060906@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:17:12 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090618) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: The question of moving vi to /bin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:47:14 -0000 > Hi, > > I agree that vi is nowhere as easy to use as ee. Since a lot of people seem to be happy with ee, why not make it available under /bin so that that there is an easy-to-use, readily-working editor always available, even if you are in single-user mode ? > > That in fact was the essence of this entire thread. The thing is /bin/ed and /rescue/vi have their unique problems and peculiarities. If at least there can be a general consensus that ee should be under /bin, a lot of people could possibly find it beneficial in emergencies. The problem again, I suspect, might be that moving ee to /bin would possibly need the terminal database to be kept under / directly, which goes against freebsd's obsession with a micro-minimalistic base. > > One solution might be to keep a pared-down version of the database that provides only for the most commonly used terminals to be placed under /, and single-user mode set up to use this database. Hi, I agree that vi is nowhere as easy to use as ee. Since a lot of people seem to be happy with ee, why not make it available under /bin so that that there is an easy-to-use, readily-working editor always available, even if you are in single-user mode ? That in fact was the essence of this entire thread. The thing is /bin/ed and /rescue/vi have their unique problems and peculiarities. If at least there can be a general consensus that ee should be under /bin, a lot of people could possibly find it beneficial in emergencies. The problem again, I suspect, might be that moving ee to /bin would possibly need the terminal database to be kept under / directly, which goes against freebsd's concept of a micro-minimalistic base. One solution might be to keep a pared-down version of the database that provides only for the most commonly used terminals placed under / and single-user mode set up to use this database. -- Regards Manish Jain invalid.pointer@gmail.com +91-96500-10329 Laast year I kudn't spell Software Engineer. Now I are won. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 15:01:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF64E106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from mtah31.telenor.se (mtah31.telenor.se [213.150.131.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406748FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (iph2.telenor.se [195.54.127.133]) by mtah31.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12595A60C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:01:03 +0200 (CEST) X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak6TAEbRRUpV4jsLPGdsb2JhbACBUYxwijMBAQEBN7RrhA0F X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,301,1243807200"; d="scan'208";a="23447848" Received: from c-0b3be255.107-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz) ([85.226.59.11]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 17:01:03 +0200 Received: from [192.168.69.67] (phobos [192.168.69.67]) by gatekeeper.pp.dyndns.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5RF11P9060201 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:01:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@pp.dyndns.biz) Message-ID: <4A46342D.6020600@pp.dyndns.biz> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:01:01 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090430) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Other browsers show the same behaviour (Firefox crashes on yahoo.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:01:06 -0000 Manish Jain wrote: > The problem is not restricted to firefox or yahoo.com. There are other > sites too where this happens. I built Galeon from ports, and it shows > exactly the same behaviour as firefox2/firefox3 for those sites. So does > Epiphany (installed from the distribution media). > > >> Hi, >> >> This seems to be a strange problem with Firefox which I never >> encountered on my old system. Both Firefox2 and Firefox3 work well the >> other sites I have tried accessing, but crash on navigating to >> www.yahoo.com >> >>> /usr/home/emmjanex # firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com & >>> [1] 2668 >>> /usr/home/emmjanex # NP_Initialize >>> New >>> SetWindow >>> SetWindow >>> NewStream >>> WriteReady >>> Write >>> decoding... >>> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. >>> This probably reflects a bug in the program. >>> The error was 'BadImplementation (server does not implement operation)'. >>> (Details: serial 31 error_code 17 request_code 140 minor_code 5) >>> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >>> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >>> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >>> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >>> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >>> function.) >>> >>> [1]+ Exit 1 firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com >> >> >> There is nothing relevant to the crash in Xorg.0.log or console.log > I'm not using X at all on my FreeBSD machines so I don't know if this is related. We had a similar problem in Gentoo lately where Firefox simply segfaulted on certain webpages. It was tracked down to librsvg and there is a temporary patch for 2.22-2.26: http://mirrors.evolva.ro/gentoo-portage/gnome-base/librsvg/files/librsvg-2.22.3-fix-segfault-with-firefox.patch As I said, I don't know if this relates to FreeBSD in any way but to a layman like myself it seems plausible since it's the same applications involved and I can't see that there is a patch for this in Ports. Some developer probably can make more sense out of this than I but I though it was worth mentioning. Regards Morgan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 15:12:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E41106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chowse@charter.net) Received: from que31.charter.net (que31.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BA58FC14 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chowse@charter.net) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090627150025.EDGT22327.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:00:25 -0400 Received: from larry.local ([24.176.104.69]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 930Q1c00E1Vr95U0530Qa6; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:00:25 -0400 Message-Id: From: Charles Howse To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:00:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: Stale lock files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:12:41 -0000 Hi, What are stale lock files? I've been having them for a few weeks now, they need to go away! root@curly /root# portupgrade -a ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. [...] root@curly /root# portversion -c ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. # # p5-BerkeleyDB # needs updating (port has 0.39) # pkgs="$pkgs p5-BerkeleyDB-0.38" # # portaudit # needs updating (port has 0.5.13) # pkgs="$pkgs portaudit-0.5.12" # # ruby # needs updating (port has 1.8.7.160_3,1) # pkgs="$pkgs ruby-1.8.7.160_1,1" if [ X"$pkgs" != X"" ]; then portupgrade "$@" $pkgs fi Thanks, Charles -- Pretty women make us BUY beer. Ugly women make us DRINK beer. - Al Bundy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 15:24:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B084C106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (webrz.xs4all.nl [82.95.248.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362B68FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@webrz.net) Received: from webrz.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D78B50B25; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.10.71] (unknown [10.10.10.71]) by webrz.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3639E50B1E; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A4639B0.8080602@webrz.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:24:32 +0200 From: Jos Chrispijn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @triton.webrz.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:24:29 -0000 Daniel Underwood wrote: > laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the > connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. > Can you tell me what you mean with that? I mean, imho a server must been consider always a risk target. Perhaps I don't understand. Jos Chrispijn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 15:29:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13E106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879DD8FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-131.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.131]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8C516C0035; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n5RFTQYm005940; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:29:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:29:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Charles Howse Message-Id: <20090627172925.cfc9609e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Stale lock files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:29:35 -0000 On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:00:24 -0500, Charles Howse wrote: > What are stale lock files? > I've been having them for a few weeks now, they need to go away! Lock files are used by several programs to indicate file-wise that they are running. The lock file is created when the program starts, and usually deleted when it ends. If it is interrupted (due to an error or ^C), the lock file isn't removed. Most programs remove stale lock files by theirselves when they are started again (e. g. fetchmail). It's possible that there are programs that refuse to start, because the lock file (falsely) indicates that the program is already running. The location of the lock file seems to depend on the respective program. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 15:42:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7CE1065674 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C508FC1B for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 11:42:25 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id KYS10870; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 11:42:17 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19014.15832.51916.407330@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:42:16 -0400 To: Charles Howse In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Stale lock files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:42:26 -0000 Charles Howse writes: > What are stale lock files? > I've been having them for a few weeks now, they need to go away! > > root@curly /root# portupgrade -a > ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. > ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. > [...] > > root@curly /root# portversion -c > ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. These are related to a (harmless) twitch in a recent version of ruby. Updating to the latest version fixed it for me. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 16:17:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438A41065670 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from bossdog.realss.com (bossdog.realss.com [211.157.114.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95E18FC13 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zhangweiwu@realss.com) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB001C00CE; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:17:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from bossdog.realss.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bossdog.realss.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09575-02; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:17:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (unknown [123.116.112.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bossdog.realss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45141C002F; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:17:13 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <4A4645FE.4040606@realss.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:17:02 +0800 From: Zhang Weiwu User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Modulok References: <4A461551.7090702@realss.com> <64c038660906270721v6908c058l53cc574ce43f40a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660906270721v6908c058l53cc574ce43f40a1@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bossdog.realss.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions mailing list Subject: Re: scripting suggestion: how to make this command shorter X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:17:17 -0000 Modulok wrote: > Zhang, > > Perhaps you could put it into a text file and have cron simply execute > the text file. By doing so, you are free to break it up into a more > digestible format and start using programming constructs to make your > life easier. (Such as storing values in variables, or processing > standard input so the script can be called with various URL's and so > forth.) Your cron job could then simply execute "/home/you/bin/foo", > where 'foo' is whatever you decide to name the script. > > Is there any specific reason why this has to be all on one line? > -Modulok- Nothing more than curiosity and small benefit of not having to take care one more file. I know what you mean:) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 19:18:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE2D1065670 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C4F8FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 8784291; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:18:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 8784290; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4A467089.1040404@radel.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:18:33 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jos Chrispijn References: <4A4639B0.8080602@webrz.net> In-Reply-To: <4A4639B0.8080602@webrz.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040207040505040905040705" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best practices for securing SSH server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:18:44 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040207040505040905040705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jos Chrispijn wrote: > > > Daniel Underwood wrote: >> laptop to connect to the server. Due to the speed and location of the >> connection, it's a relatively high-risk target. >> > Can you tell me what you mean with that? I mean, imho a server must been > consider always a risk target. > Perhaps I don't understand. As I believe has already been answered in this thread, the better connected a server is to the Internet, the higher its value to several varieties of miscreants. Given a choice between a server connected via a close to saturated T1 somewhere in the back waters of the Internet and a server with multiple 100mbps+ connections to key backbones, somebody interested in staging DOS attacks or using the server as a base to "explore" other networks or ... is likely to find the latter server of greater interest. About the only advantage I can think of for the former is that it's probably, other things being equal, less likely to be properly maintained and monitored. -- --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms040207040505040905040705 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEB1eDeVYxhAO39zOEnHiAbwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA5MDIyNTA0MTMyNloX DTEwMDIyNTA0MTMyNlowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDeT7qtj+euqWr2wXM7OnwrXJe9 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([78.189.102.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1562265eyg.47.2009.06.27.12.28.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:28:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Siyan Hadzhiev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IBM T43 - iwi0 firmware stuck issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:53:43 -0000 Hello List , I am new in this list , so if these is an old topic forgive me.I have successfully installed FreeBSD 7.2 to IBM T43 Laptop.I am using wireless network with WPA key.My Laptop has Intel Pro Wireless 2200.I installed iwi driver and firmware successfully. I am successfully connecting to my home and ofis wireless networks with wpa supplicant.However every 4 or 5 minutes my connection gets down and i got "iwi0: firmware stuck in state 4 , resetting " and then "iwi0 device timeout " errors.These drops my connection , after that it take 30 seconds to my connection come back up.Then after 5 minutes again same errors and these goes on. I search a little bit on Google however find nothing usefull. Is there anybody who faced with same problem? And is there any solutions or upgrades for that issue. Best Regards Siyan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 19:59:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85176106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avitech@avitechtecnologia.com.br) Received: from W03CNN0165.locaweb.com.br (w03cnn0165.locaweb.com.br [189.126.98.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A0B8FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avitech@avitechtecnologia.com.br) Received: from mail pickup service by W03CNN0165.locaweb.com.br with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:42:24 -0300 thread-index: Acn3X2T1dsshE8G+TeCGuzB4Kc6sDQ== Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sua_melhor_op=E7=E3o_em_Hardware.?= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Avitech_Tecnologia_em_Inform=E1tica?= To: "Prezado \(a\)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2009 19:42:24.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[64F82E70:01C9F75F] Date: 27 Jun 2009 16:42:24 -0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sua_melhor_op=E7=E3o_em_Hardware=2E?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:59:29 -0000 =20 =20 =20 Prezado(a), =09 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Solicite um contato =20 Indique para um amigo =20 Em respeito a sua privacidade, se voc=EA n=E3o quiser receber mais nossos e-mails, clique aqui para remover seu endere=E7o da nossa lista. =20 =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 20:34:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAD41065672 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chowse@charter.net) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DF48FC1C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chowse@charter.net) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090627203405.IZVP22327.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from larry.local ([24.176.104.69]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 98a51c0061Vr95U058a59z; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:34:05 -0400 Message-Id: <511A667D-5CB2-4811-98C2-9F8E7E374B3B@charter.net> From: Charles Howse To: Robert Huff In-Reply-To: <19014.15832.51916.407330@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:34:04 -0500 References: <19014.15832.51916.407330@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Stale lock files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:34:07 -0000 On Jun 27, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Charles Howse writes: > >> What are stale lock files? >> I've been having them for a few weeks now, they need to go away! >> >> root@curly /root# portupgrade -a >> ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. >> ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. >> [...] >> >> root@curly /root# portversion -c >> ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. > > These are related to a (harmless) twitch in a recent version of > ruby. Updating to the latest version fixed it for me. Thanks Robert and Polytropon, Running 'portversion -c' after 'portupgrade -a' no longer shows any stale lock files. Just wondering...is there any utility to find and remove these things? Maybe a reboot? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 20:45:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67C3106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9978FC20 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 16:45:34 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id PZU80083; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Jun 2009 16:45:35 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19014.34029.885665.988933@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:45:33 -0400 To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <511A667D-5CB2-4811-98C2-9F8E7E374B3B@charter.net> References: <19014.15832.51916.407330@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <511A667D-5CB2-4811-98C2-9F8E7E374B3B@charter.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Stale lock files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:45:36 -0000 Charles Howse writes: > >> ** Stale lock file was found. Removed. > > > > These are related to a (harmless) twitch in a recent version of > > ruby. Updating to the latest version fixed it for me. > > Running 'portversion -c' after 'portupgrade -a' no longer shows > any stale lock files. > Just wondering...is there any utility to find and remove these > things? Maybe a reboot? A successful run _after_ the aforementioned ruby upgrade should remove all the laggards. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:08:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8AD1065672 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF9A8FC15 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A287E837 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:08:31 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:08:29 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200906271408.30641.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: Other browsers show the same behaviour (Firefox crashes on yahoo.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:08:33 -0000 On Saturday 27 June 2009 06:41:43 Manish Jain wrote: > The problem is not restricted to firefox or yahoo.com. There are other > sites too where this happens. I built Galeon from ports, and it shows > exactly the same behaviour as firefox2/firefox3 for those sites. So does > Epiphany (installed from the distribution media). Galeon also uses mozilla engine. How about Opera? > >> The program 'firefox-bin' received an X Window System error. > >> This probably reflects a bug in the program. > >> The error was 'BadImplementation (server does not implement operation)'. > >> (Details: serial 31 error_code 17 request_code 140 minor_code 5) > >> (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > >> that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > >> To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > >> option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > >> backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > >> function.) > >> > >> [1]+ Exit 1 firefox3 http://www.yahoo.com > > > > There is nothing relevant to the crash in Xorg.0.log or console.log Yet, could you startup firefox with --sync to see where it crashes? Unable to reproduce here. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:15:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51153106566C for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF358FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF33E2E363; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:14:57 +0200 From: cpghost To: Vladimir Kushnir Message-ID: <20090627221457.GA35729@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <8f7a80c30902212200n55d50cfdo7b626f91fffc1b7b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8f7a80c30902212200n55d50cfdo7b626f91fffc1b7b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATI Radeon X600: no DRI upon X restart :-( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:01 -0000 On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 08:00:03AM +0200, Vladimir Kushnir wrote: > Hi, > Here's a problem. I start X from console via startx. For a long while DRI > gets initialized only if X is started practically immediately after boot > and only for the first time. Otherwise (if X is closed, then restarted, > or something has been done prior to startx) I get : > > (EE) RADEON(0): [pci] Out of memory (-12) > (EE) RADEON(0): [pci] PCI failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. Same problem here (misc/132403), with a Radeon HD 3200 and RadeonHD driver: X.Org X Server 1.6.1 Release Date: 2009-4-14 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64 Current Operating System: FreeBSD phenom.cordula.ws 7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jun 25 22:47:05 CEST 2009 root@phenom.cordula.ws:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Build Date: 11 May 2009 08:48:10PM [...] (--) PCI:*(0@1:5:0) ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics rev 0, Mem @ 0xf0000000/134217728, 0xfe9f0000/65536, 0xfe800000/1048576, I/O @ 0x0000d000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 [...] (II) LoadModule: "radeonhd" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeonhd_drv.so (II) Module radeonhd: vendor="AMD GPG" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 1.2.5 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 [...] (II) RADEONHD: version 1.2.5, built from dist of git branch master, commit cb54f48b [...] (**) RADEONHD(0): Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" (**) RADEONHD(0): Option "DRI" "True" (**) RADEONHD(0): Selected EXA 2D acceleration. (II) RADEONHD(0): Unknown card detected: 0x9610:0x1462:0x7501. If - and only if - your card does not work or does not work optimally please contact radeonhd@opensuse.org to help rectify this. Use the subject: 0x9610:0x1462:0x7501: and *please* describe the problems you are seeing in your message. (--) RADEONHD(0): Detected an RS780 on an unidentified card (II) RADEONHD(0): Mapped IO @ 0xfe9f0000 to 0x8006b4000 (size 0x00010000) (II) RADEONHD(0): Getting BIOS copy from legacy VBIOS location (II) RADEONHD(0): ATOM BIOS Rom: SubsystemVendorID: 0x1002 SubsystemID: 0x1002 IOBaseAddress: 0xd000 Filename: MS7501_H_5.b BIOS Bootup Message: B27721 RS780 DDR2 200e/500m (II) RADEONHD(0): Analog TV Default Mode: 1 (II) RADEONHD(0): Found default TV Mode NTSC (--) RADEONHD(0): VideoRAM: 131072 kByte (II) RADEONHD(0): Framebuffer space used by Firmware (kb): 20 (II) RADEONHD(0): Start of VRAM area used by Firmware: 0x7ffb000 (II) RADEONHD(0): AtomBIOS requests 20kB of VRAM scratch space (II) RADEONHD(0): AtomBIOS VRAM scratch base: 0x7ffb000 [...] (II) RADEONHD(0): Found libdri 5.4.0. drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:05.0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 8 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:05.0 (II) RADEONHD(0): Found libdrm 1.3.0. (II) RADEONHD(0): Found radeon drm 1.29.0. [...] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules//libexa.so (II) Module exa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.6.1, module version = 2.4.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0 (II) RADEONHD(0): FB: Allocated Offscreen Buffer at offset 0x00508000 (size = 0x00CCD000) (II) RADEONHD(0): FB: Allocated DRI Back Buffer at offset 0x011D5000 (size = 0x00500000) (II) RADEONHD(0): FB: Allocated DRI Depth Buffer at offset 0x016D5000 (size = 0x00500000) (II) RADEONHD(0): FB: Allocated GART table at offset 0x07FF0000 (size = 0x00010000, end of FB) (II) RADEONHD(0): FB: Allocated DRI Textures at offset 0x01BD5000 (size = 0x06400000) (II) RADEONHD(0): Using 16 MB GART aperture (II) RADEONHD(0): Using 2 MB for the ring buffer (II) RADEONHD(0): Using 2 MB for vertex/indirect buffers (II) RADEONHD(0): Using 12 MB for GART textures (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [3] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [4] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [5] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [6] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [7] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [8] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [9] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) RADEONHD(0): Mapped IO @ 0xfe9f0000 to 0x8006b4000 (size 0x00010000) (II) RADEONHD(0): Mapped FB @ 0xf0000000 to 0x802a00000 (size 0x08000000) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:01:05.0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is 8, (OK) drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 8 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:01:05.0 (II) [drm] DRM interface version 1.2 (II) [drm] DRM open master succeeded. (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] Using the DRM lock SAREA also for drawables. (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] framebuffer handle = 0xf0000000 (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] added 1 reserved context for kernel (II) RADEONHD(0): X context handle = 0x1 (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] installed DRM signal handler (EE) RADEONHD(0): [pci] Out of memory (-12) (EE) RADEONHD(0): [pci] PCI failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xffffff80007cd000 at 0x8006c4000 (II) RADEONHD(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. [...] > This is amd64-CURRENT, > uname -a: > FreeBSD kushnir1.kiev.ua 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #1: Wed Feb 4 > 08:15:51 EET 2009 root@kushnir1.kiev.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KUSHNIR > amd64 > > NForce4 based MB (s939) Asus A8N SLI, Athlon 3000+, 512 MB RAM, Radeon > X600 PCIE. amd64/RELENG_7 as of Thu Jun 25. Getting this on the console the first time I'm starting X: drm0: on vgapci0 info: [drm] MSI enabled 1 message(s) vgapci0: child drm0 requested pci_enable_busmaster info: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.29.0 20080528 info: [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory map info: [drm] Loading RS780 Microcode info: [drm] Resetting GPU info: [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs drm0: [ITHREAD] info: [drm] Resetting GPU Starting X again the 2nd time works fine, but DRI is then disabled. Those are the loaded kernel modules: % kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 11 0xffffffff80100000 be3270 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff80e22000 1b57 atapicam.ko 3 1 0xffffffff80e24000 131b6 snd_hda.ko 4 1 0xffffffff80e38000 2e530 sound.ko 5 1 0xffffffff80e67000 5a7cd radeon.ko 6 1 0xffffffff80ec2000 115c4 drm.ko > Any suggestions? No idea. Perhaps asking radeonhd's or drm maintainer directly to have a look? Did you find a work around besides rebooting? > TIA, > Vladimir Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:15:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C45010656C0 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66568FC19 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so191600bwz.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=t9qAH8+B6JQUgtexAnkFCHjQosC4RhZnQpC4+sdVAzM=; b=xrruip3bSmgm1TppOSuiAbhSxEdTUvx+/ZxEgePiPLjdA39lUfVV+LBKYYRyRQM8qR odyd1zN9/D4RS3wG1Hzet9pM1t5H+gRkkLrKHJTRimyJS6VvSmMDvNtreuQCCmKkxiXB 0Fv5dtUMQkPqpDBjXbwpmZAMLn66zRU72a/xg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FdJaoK+MJnuCVvUj6ZiHgYBKlIhAnFQGt6srEDYV/mmQZomRvb6PHuppDVkk4KJwie RBZWLQUMNKmn4qenI4bwiaq9kURl692jnPiJTgRHgm7Cb33H63A89Ktj69s7ul4SxcS3 TWpFJdmgWbe19K0E69yc1VCZhZBRHVQEI9CM8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.57.81 with SMTP id b17mr5224775bkh.212.1246140915325; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:15:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A46342D.6020600@pp.dyndns.biz> References: <4A462FA7.7090802@gmail.com> <4A46342D.6020600@pp.dyndns.biz> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906271515y58d686bfxd4911bbd367e8e5f@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?= , invalid.pointer@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Other browsers show the same behaviour (Firefox crashes on yahoo.com) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:15:18 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Morgan Wesstr=F6m wrote: > > I'm not using X at all on my FreeBSD machines so I don't know if this is > related. We had a similar problem in Gentoo lately where Firefox simply > segfaulted on certain webpages. It was tracked down to librsvg and there > is a temporary patch for 2.22-2.26: > http://mirrors.evolva.ro/gentoo-portage/gnome-base/librsvg/files/librsvg-= 2.22.3-fix-segfault-with-firefox.patch > As I said, I don't know if this relates to FreeBSD in any way but to a > layman like myself it seems plausible since it's the same applications > involved and I can't see that there is a patch for this in Ports. Some > developer probably can make more sense out of this than I but I though > it was worth mentioning. > I didn't see any replies about ${OTHER_OS} -- Firefox 3.0.11 does not crash on *buntu (don't ask) for me. I just wanted to point that out. I don't have FF3 on FreeBSD boxes to test. Just thought I'd share. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:37:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439CE106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044758FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5RMbe44071688; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:37:35 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_DOB,RCVD_IN_DOB,URIBL_RHS_DOB autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:37:41 -0000 Can anybody remind me what all I need to do to create a new virtual website? (Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/www/bar/ and have "bar" be my new website? I've seen this lynx error: "Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what I'm doing wrong. thanks for some clues here, gary PS: yes, i edited the apache22/Includes/httpd-local.conf and restarted the etc/rv.d/apache script... . -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:41:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FB7106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25778FC08 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:41:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so197133bwz.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+cmWGc/BXFDiGW36cf5ylmv/7PvpRSvJ4yOkahV6ZIs=; b=OLgN+KwnijW9Yj/j702t0zs6pVZUwof6jGLzg5kKfM+av5gBMCGl0n9V5QolGJ24DH c4h3S1Ap5gxYne0ADUO2Kj+pgxWG+HhGVf8uEodWRBv2a5jSN5vVzm+S2+169d0Oc5NP b93rYZahIu2l1AHchpBDLBV4RhcfM+yOn9xIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H5Ki//T9P7h0/b7k6vFZl3lqEzrAR+6e8rWhXjAmWVi+OONjMxUGqo1jIoTEugyzR0 CaANYDN7FVCqb4ni9fy608l3AQ5ygQ+C2SUJW5v19MaJqCMMIKutGH1NKJOCNqvhrvJf dZcKyRkV3hXTzd4bmo0/cnqzaO2zwU1noPdx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.146 with SMTP id i18mr5350452bkg.82.1246142482968; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:41:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> References: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:41:24 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Can anybody remind me what all I need to do to create a ne= w virtual > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0website? =A0(Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/www/= bar/ and have > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"bar" be my new website? =A0I've seen this lynx error: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what I'm= doing wrong. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0thanks for some clues here, > Take a look at the error log for apache, as I suspect the following: usually, apache wants to look in /usr/local/www/apache22/* for its information. If you have changed , could you give us snippets (if not all) of your httpd.conf ? > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0PS: yes, i edited the apache22/Includes/httpd-local.conf a= nd restarted the > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0etc/rv.d/apache script... . > Is this apache13, 20, or 22 by the way? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 22:54:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6595A106564A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E288C8FC19 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so199413bwz.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RQ9djGT/JEEwx61H3k+qROxN3fMyg/75ho59M1XbnHI=; b=ehQ1sCRPMeWABJsn6dfU6koUo7Of9eS3Eg+3ROnDNNwCzKgAi6osOd+X+DrqhTgkpg RdNQMjcb1Ec4z+ogOswvngZbW80uvGyaPTfTmK8dqxsKYB0/+QFMq9N/+CNao1i3/Jio tCYrS0IqhMAgdwy5BiVGytB3gEgyUy45SHmLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wvyL48RlC/ArD5spcjAGIDU1Bi3iQUIhd1NSNDY9lOf6NGbmymdFlz6U9TOJ1nA5sT PJHSMILM8fnivtqUuXnMzAMFBSoECxKOXQv+1fEubXwqGSwXUVhUt1pX8z5rBbjAhbsA I7LKIQhTPktNNgnm8AjMZZQVawyjEz56YD+PU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.135 with SMTP id i7mr5311587bkg.154.1246143273808; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:54:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906271554h4a2599d9nb20c23f64e09c9ea@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:54:36 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Can anybody remind me what all I need to do to create a n= ew virtual >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0website? =A0(Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/www= /bar/ and have >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"bar" be my new website? =A0I've seen this lynx error: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what I'= m doing wrong. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0thanks for some clues here, >> > > Take a look at the error log for apache, as I suspect the following: > usually, apache wants to look in /usr/local/www/apache22/* for its > information. =A0If you have changed , could you give us > snippets (if not all) of your httpd.conf ? > > >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0PS: yes, i edited the apache22/Includes/httpd-local.conf = and restarted the >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0etc/rv.d/apache script... . >> > > Is this apache13, 20, or 22 by the way? Wow... I must really be loosing it... Forget I asked that last question. ;) Gary, if the problem persists after my previous suggestions, could you also include info from the error log? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 23:08:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250F1065673 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0DA8FC28 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [10.47.0.240]) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5RN8ri2072189; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@aristotle.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n5RN8qCb072188; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:08:52 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Glen Barber Message-ID: <20090627230852.GA71899@thought.org> References: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_DOB,RCVD_IN_DOB,URIBL_RHS_DOB autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:08:53 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 06:41:22PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > >        Can anybody remind me what all I need to do to create a new virtual > >        website?  (Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/www/bar/ and have > >        "bar" be my new website?  I've seen this lynx error: > >        "Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what I'm doing wrong. > > > >        thanks for some clues here, > > > > Take a look at the error log for apache, as I suspect the following: > usually, apache wants to look in /usr/local/www/apache22/* for its > information. If you have changed , could you give us > snippets (if not all) of your httpd.conf ? > This is the first change in 18 months. The logs in /usr/local/www/apache22/ haven't been touched for months. I did remember to edit my named/* files, update the Date and restart. Then I restarted other apache related scripts and binaries. The next "trick" is a reboot. That won't tell me too much. > > > > >        PS: yes, i edited the apache22/Includes/httpd-local.conf and restarted the > >        etc/rv.d/apache script... . > > > > Is this apache13, 20, or 22 by the way? > 22 gary > -- > Glen Barber -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 23:10:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F9D1065689 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFC08FC1D for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8296550AE1 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10:03 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46ApYLgDJ3EU for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10:01 +0100 (BST) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DBF150A54; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10:01 +0100 (BST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20090627231001.6DBF150A54@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:10:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2009-06-27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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=A0(Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/w= ww/bar/ and have >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"bar" be my new website? =A0I've seen this lynx error: >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what = I'm doing wrong. >> > >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0thanks for some clues here, >> > >> >> Take a look at the error log for apache, as I suspect the following: >> usually, apache wants to look in /usr/local/www/apache22/* for its >> information. =A0If you have changed , could you give us >> snippets (if not all) of your httpd.conf ? >> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This is the first change in 18 months. =A0The logs in > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/usr/local/www/apache22/ haven't been touched for months. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I did remember to edit my named/* files, update the Date a= nd restart. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Then I restarted other apache related scripts and binaries= . =A0The next > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"trick" is a reboot. =A0That won't tell me too much. > ... especially since rebooting (ideally) shouldn't _fix_ apache22 problems.. If that works, it is only masking the real problem. Do you remember any other major changes to your system or apache22 since your last reboot or apache update? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 23:33:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E926B1065670 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9F88FC12 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n5RNWxQB001451; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:32:59 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Glen Barber Message-ID: <20090627233259.GA73727@thought.org> References: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906271554h4a2599d9nb20c23f64e09c9ea@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906271554h4a2599d9nb20c23f64e09c9ea@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 22++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_DOB,RCVD_IN_DOB,URIBL_RHS_DOB autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:33:36 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 06:54:33PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > >> > >>        Can anybody remind me what all I need to do to create a new virtual > >>        website?  (Or move /usr/local/www/foo to /usr/local/www/bar/ and have > >>        "bar" be my new website?  I've seen this lynx error: > >>        "Can't access startfile" before and can't remeber what I'm doing wrong. > >> > >>        thanks for some clues here, > >> > > > > Take a look at the error log for apache, as I suspect the following: > > usually, apache wants to look in /usr/local/www/apache22/* for its > > information.  If you have changed , could you give us > > snippets (if not all) of your httpd.conf ? > > > > > >> > >>        PS: yes, i edited the apache22/Includes/httpd-local.conf and restarted the > >>        etc/rv.d/apache script... . > >> > > > > Is this apache13, 20, or 22 by the way? > > Wow... I must really be loosing it... Forget I asked that last question. ;) > > Gary, if the problem persists after my previous suggestions, could you > also include info from the error log? > :-) [above]. no the reboot got things launched. my server is "sage.thought.org", but the mail, web, and dns stuff are all in a jail, "aristotle.thought.org", so my guess is that things were blocked at sage. i realize that's a really LAME excuse... :-) if ever i find somebody out here in the seattle area to help me, i'll buy a Dell and built ns1.thought.org as aristotle.thought.org; no mo' jails. meanwhile, if anybody else has some clues re wha' happened, Pulleze clue me in. there was nothing in the error log; it was dated 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 www www 1024 Jan 13 2008 error 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 www www 3584 Jan 13 2008 icons p0 16:29 [5061] /usr/local/www/apache22 um, for apache22, the http.conf no longer has any of the virtual stuff. it's all in Include/httpd-local.conf. Meanwhile, this newest apache is getting to be a religion in its own right. like emacs vs vim/vi, etc, etc...... (*whew*) gary > -- > Glen Barber -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 27 23:38:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F0F10656C1 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com (mail-bw0-f210.google.com [209.85.218.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC52A8FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so206514bwz.43 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:38:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zRCn4gW5yCzPf77KFNu7Vfr5mCw6FlSyadDbW9bIU/4=; b=KlXdfGfPBsQr6njFn+76mlokpCnO5OmwQG05Xz26ewVmYKo4YNM0UIe2Lr2VXA//ek wYxrYUYrKTh+Qb03Xwoitx7N6dkmqbUJAvNVHg7dzt4ea/c8YqLTVkzdLca9LFpMY1C/ 9f5KRhqrCJi1StVXFO9R4ESZXBcG167k2fpDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e8RRuw9MgqOkids6sRT70DyHGpTFGdlpcVcIiP3Cf1klVqZ7L7p7mkxqz4a/0lG6Qa 3aUe3pd6mrEbxvElwQGKt0Ah0ZNfz6TtKVbF4+NqAHKnsdPaOSmO/+gI7G+/b1KkPrJB 6vF+KSEtwkk+gbljVN/9E0cV0TVhf/Bib2ViE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.63.209 with SMTP id c17mr5348513bki.47.1246145915450; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:38:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090627233259.GA73727@thought.org> References: <20090627223732.GA73601@thought.org> <4ad871310906271541tf5c8d03t5b2ea46871e6ddfe@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906271554h4a2599d9nb20c23f64e09c9ea@mail.gmail.com> <20090627233259.GA73727@thought.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:38:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310906271638g29675978ya398a5fe6b3eacfb@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: apache22: "Can't access startfile" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:38:37 -0000 On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0:-) [above]. =A0 no the reboot got things launched. =A0my = server is > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"sage.thought.org", but the mail, web, and dns stuff are a= ll in > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0a jail, "aristotle.thought.org", so my guess is that thing= s were > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0blocked at sage. =A0i realize that's a really LAME excuse.= .. :-) > I'm confused. Everything works now? > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0if ever i find somebody out here in the seattle area to he= lp me, i'll buy > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0a Dell and built ns1.thought.org as aristotle.thought.org;= no mo' jails. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0meanwhile, if anybody else has some clues re wha' happened= , Pulleze clue > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0me in. there was nothing in the error log; it was dated > Perhaps the logs didn't rotate? When was the last time that the access log was 'touch'ed? > > 2 drwxr-xr-x =A0 3 www =A0www =A01024 Jan 13 =A02008 error > 4 drwxr-xr-x =A0 3 www =A0www =A03584 Jan 13 =A02008 icons > p0 16:29 [5061] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/usr/local/www/apache22 > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0um, for apache22, the http.conf no longer has any of the v= irtual stuff. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0it's all in Include/httpd-local.conf. =A0Meanwhile, this n= ewest apache is > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0getting to be a religion in its own right. =A0 like emacs = vs vim/vi, etc, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0etc...... > True, true. I don't _need_ vhosts on my FreeBSD box because it's overkill for what I use apache for. When I ran my site off of my own hardware, I did need vhosts -- I had forgotten this. Thanks for reminding me about how much I don't remember. ;) --=20 Glen Barber