From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 09:17:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D730E106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A01D8FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Aug 2009 09:17:48 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO bobcat.edu) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp038) with SMTP; 02 Aug 2009 11:17:48 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+uwmsLy6muSjcVoXjzCm4V5tq1iVl/3yncT6RllD n1q1prJkdK3UC8 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:16:51 +0200 From: herbert langhans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> Organization: private X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.4; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) X-Face: q+q_R4e*MWOR3888mPIAZc/FNaS!=`.[B6uaBUuT)S0@80[:sij*]j?Vo57(D|Gt-kv8h\y M~EX/qT%sIl^Z(x'h(r}f%$KLA[ZBIpzr{$|9w!e9]>isP8uu-A6k:}[)={{B}(@}*lOADil'U|daw xlj24v2,"<%CX2@vhLl+yo_u.K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.66 Subject: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:17:51 -0000 Hi Daemons, I bet there are FreeBSD-on-Thinkpad users out there. I need some help.. At the moment I search for a laptop, a used model from auction sites, preferably an IBM Thinkpad. There is a huge number of different models, even a Wiki with all the specs. But all the info doesn't help me to decide what model works best for me with FreeBSD. I also have no idea if the BSD drivers work out of the box. No dual boot required - I'll dump the Windows stuff. The model I search for is a cheap low-end type. Small harddisk is fine too, it even can be slow - I use mostly vim, fluxbox, a few small gtk-ports and even get by with a text browser like lynx. Otherwise I would really reqire the Thinkpad to be slim and have some kind of low power consumption (this depends on the kind of processor I guess - I have no clue what processor is a good choice). And an opportunity to use a PCMCIA-Card for a Wifi connection (and drivers for them!). Do you have any good/bad experiences with certain IBM Thinkpads? Is there any special model (line) I should look for? Are there any options I should look for or avoid (no BSD drivers available i.e)? Thanks for your time! herb langhans From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 10:53:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443D01065670 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fam.vanderschaft@kpnplanet.nl) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML101.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpm-eml101.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C658FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fam.vanderschaft@kpnplanet.nl) Received: from dionysus ([77.170.116.208]) by CPSMTPM-EML101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:41:51 +0200 Message-ID: <002401ca135e$cf61b0e0$0302a8c0@VANDERSCHAFT.NET> From: "Familie van der Schaft" To: Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:48:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2009 10:41:51.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[D86E1620:01CA135D] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pgpsendmail instructions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:53:57 -0000 LS, I am trying to get pgpsenmail working but i can't figure out what to = do. For example which instance of sendmail can/must be replaced: /usr/libexec/sendmail (which is symbolic link) /usr/sbin/sendmail in both cases, i get the following message: /etc/rc.d >./sendmail restart sendmail not running? (check /var/run/sendmail.pid). Starting sendmail. SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! Someone didn't read the installation notes... /etc/rc.d >sendmail forcestart SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! Someone didn't read the installation notes... But where can i find these instructions (notes). The man-page (pgpsendmail(8)) does not give any extra info. Can anybody help me? Danny. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 11:08:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891B51065670 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E248FC16 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1872697bwz.43 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:08:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aRrUv92aW3eJVU+5SggKPwFKV8HDbdklIst2BM3R9VI=; b=Ebhxsp2ismVDRW0CY4nOznjwsVgclja7FwosEknvv88YTJeMjYh7mlAGOmSY/Gxqic 5GEW6ZVQHmu4Q6zQ0vUXrHZvD2g7bBCJfUpUFz7QdysXbJEfq91ftlvkZnDBfS4C2QJa UQlsq5Zq3m4Ny9OkMZIwMjgC4FmiFeqekNleI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pvlAmrmB7Jeqv3jQg+/GU9ncqcZD3JZAKYooQJ0Tc+CAKmFJYv9290AfMg+ZdhHA/c et/0VpZi949y7sFTzosxFmB2Y5pvEughgXZWDJ+KLwOnc094xWuK9oTKIb6HfGcwsYPS OgiQ9gxvTjpKCfB6VRp7mPhC2Hcv4RTu4KDMs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.68 with SMTP id a4mr42155fap.21.1249211284688; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:08:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <002401ca135e$cf61b0e0$0302a8c0@VANDERSCHAFT.NET> References: <002401ca135e$cf61b0e0$0302a8c0@VANDERSCHAFT.NET> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908020408l4f62a2a3m6922511783591d9b@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Familie van der Schaft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pgpsendmail instructions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:08:06 -0000 On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Familie van der Schaft wrote: > LS, > > I am trying to get pgpsenmail working but i can't =A0figure out what to d= o. > For example which instance of sendmail can/must =A0be replaced: > > /usr/libexec/sendmail (which is symbolic link) What do you have this linked to? /usr/libexec/sendmail -> /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail ? > /usr/sbin/sendmail > > in both cases, i get the following message: > > /etc/rc.d >./sendmail =A0restart > sendmail not running? (check /var/run/sendmail.pid). > Starting sendmail. > SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! > Someone didn't read the installation notes... Sometimes the problem is explained in the errors... Other times, pkg-message would be helpful in a port. %ls -1 /usr/ports/mail/pgpsendmail/ Makefile distinfo files pkg-descr pkg-plist > /etc/rc.d >sendmail forcestart > SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! > Someone didn't read the installation notes... > > But where can i find these instructions (notes). > The man-page (pgpsendmail(8)) does not give any extra info. > Can anybody help me? > Have a look at mailer.conf(5) --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 11:49:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2216A1065673 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd.schaft.beheer@kpnplanet.nl) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml108.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B748FC36 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd.schaft.beheer@kpnplanet.nl) Received: from dionysus ([77.170.116.208]) by CPSMTPM-EML108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:37:01 +0200 Message-ID: <005501ca1366$84957620$0302a8c0@VANDERSCHAFT.NET> From: "bsd schaft" To: "Glen Barber" References: <002401ca135e$cf61b0e0$0302a8c0@VANDERSCHAFT.NET> <4ad871310908020408l4f62a2a3m6922511783591d9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:43:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2009 11:37:01.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D7A0810:01CA1365] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pgpsendmail instructions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:49:08 -0000 Glenn, My mailer.conf contains: /etc/mail >cat mailer.conf # $FreeBSD: src/etc/mail/mailer.conf,v 1.3.34.1 2009/04/15 03:14:26 kensmith Exp $ # # Execute the "real" sendmail program, named /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail # sendmail /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail send-mail /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail mailq /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail newaliases /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail hoststat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail purgestat /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail regarding the symbolic link: /etc/mail >ls -l /usr/sbin/sen* lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 May 31 10:28 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /usr/sbin/mailwrapper It was the /usr/sbin/sendmail, sorry about that! So lets say , we replace the /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail with the pgpsendmail object from /usr/local/lib. /etc/mail >cd /usr/libexec/sendmail/ /usr/libexec/sendmail >ls -l total 704 -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 665512 May 31 10:28 sendmail -r-xr-sr-x 1 root smmsp 30944 Jul 23 19:17 sendmail.pgp /usr/libexec/sendmail >mv sendmail sendmail.real /usr/libexec/sendmail >mv sendmail.pgp sendmail As you can see, exactly the same security and all. Now check my env , for the PGPPATH variable: SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash TERM=xterm OLDPWD=/etc/mail USER=root PAGER=more FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin :/root/bin MAIL=/var/mail/root BLOCKSIZE=K PWD=/usr/libexec/sendmail PS1=$PWD > SHLVL=1 HOME=/root _=/usr/bin/env Not there, so i can restart the process... /etc/rc.d >./sendmail restart Stopping sendmail. Starting sendmail. SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! Someone didn't read the installation notes... I checked the pkg-message file: /usr/ports/mail/pgpsendmail >ls -l total 10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 640 Oct 16 2005 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 204 Nov 25 2005 distinfo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 May 31 17:07 files -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 456 Apr 17 1995 pkg-descr -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 58 Aug 17 1998 pkg-plist But is is not there... What can i do next, add/replace a line in mailer.conf: sendmail /usr/local/lib/pgpsendmail Again, after a restart, i receive the same error....... ,Danny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Barber" To: "Familie van der Schaft" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: pgpsendmail instructions On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Familie van der Schaft wrote: > LS, > > I am trying to get pgpsenmail working but i can't figure out what to do. > For example which instance of sendmail can/must be replaced: > > /usr/libexec/sendmail (which is symbolic link) What do you have this linked to? /usr/libexec/sendmail -> /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail ? > /usr/sbin/sendmail > > in both cases, i get the following message: > > /etc/rc.d >./sendmail restart > sendmail not running? (check /var/run/sendmail.pid). > Starting sendmail. > SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! > Someone didn't read the installation notes... Sometimes the problem is explained in the errors... Other times, pkg-message would be helpful in a port. %ls -1 /usr/ports/mail/pgpsendmail/ Makefile distinfo files pkg-descr pkg-plist > /etc/rc.d >sendmail forcestart > SENDMAIL refers back to PGPsendmail! > Someone didn't read the installation notes... > > But where can i find these instructions (notes). > The man-page (pgpsendmail(8)) does not give any extra info. > Can anybody help me? > Have a look at mailer.conf(5) -- Glen Barber ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.40/2276 - Release Date: 08/01/09 18:04:00 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 13:12:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052F0106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrei.crivoi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C528FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrei.crivoi@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1902634bwz.43 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Vet0TS4N4/PnVsnTw1pah1T2PJK8mPebadFUgMiWe+U=; b=V/Fxq/UdOAhDv5p93dDcGBCmkvZgzLEeJpjbFOsdoGajJwJAsQttGhmohMjRhKThBy E46hqDBLea5eikQFmXCCsRviyHfF1v410GIkbFin8cxLaJ3eR/z6MA80rd8pcYpsL5Ay 09gWTI4mFCwCF45h0JFVoQUZ5rvbfcLjQEdFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=MrD1TFvBYOI9l877KJ5pJoUV3zu/QdEE6DoEGY+TjGyUmQ2rbWOfwxT/tzn6c5rrQU oL+OhgjuOSE2Z0pDKUnwseU6FjXxGgx7SX8pPPtitAsGt5geA41TKfQJXsIJRxEsPOx/ bB32QP6mm4YnQEG1P361KLWnR2uktkd1hlqJQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.162.17 with SMTP id j17mr493712hbd.123.1249217551656; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:31 +0400 Message-ID: <332c55d60908020552h4b89e7d5y97e4c8b29f313cd6@mail.gmail.com> From: Andrei Crivoi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Sony PRS-505 Reader and camcontrol load problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:12:43 -0000 Hi gaise, i'm trying to mount a memory stick card on my Sony Portable Reader PRS-505 device and constantly getting the "Error received from start unit command" message when issuing "camcontrol load" command. Here is the full log: [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol devlist at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) at scbus1 target 0 lun 1 (pass1,da1) at scbus1 target 0 lun 2 (pass2,da2) [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol load 1:0:1 Error received from start unit command The most interesting fact - 'camcontrol format' somehow saves the situation: [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol format 1:0:1 You are about to REMOVE ALL DATA from the following device: pass1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device 40.000MB/s transfers Are you SURE you want to do this? (yes/no) yes Current format timeout is 10800 seconds Enter new timeout in seconds or press return to keep the current timeout [10800] camcontrol: Unexpected SCSI error during format (pass1:umass-sim0:0:0:1): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 20 0 0 0 0 (pass1:umass-sim0:0:0:1): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error (pass1:umass-sim0:0:0:1): SCSI Status: Check Condition (pass1:umass-sim0:0:0:1): UNIT ATTENTION asc:28,0 (pass1:umass-sim0:0:0:1): Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol load 1:0:1 Unit started successfully, Media loaded And now i'm able to mount the device: [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# sudo mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1 /media/ mount_msdosfs: /dev/da1: : Invalid argument [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# sudo mount -t msdosfs /dev/da1s1 /media/ Somebody please explain what is going on and why can't i load the device without trying to format it first. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 13:19:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB84106566B for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88A718FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74237 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2009 13:19:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249219162; bh=2aCcEKZHcS0McLIrIjwDeAo6lD1u8vj/ugr4OmxgWmA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v0z7pok6j4JWeVeip5ts+YlYD9Sy6xNNMmUnaZ4vvA1V43Fpcb+LSSERBeUBEkVMJMnOWfLZL3Gk2RmJCpt0ZDjigvXv13C1lnKMvLLn6+TrC7q8vnhFSQXUlcPAZkUPvaiNrBvSvGIMcEqz3MY/XgzNu5hJKj/2dRskbDSxXoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gV/fzKycn923GIFEjvzsGuBQsOkati7E+IgUWBJlJKtfCrSyrzF/LI20UyH+s8bozQNaRJ8WeGa365C7iI1vVwEAVlKzajSyQemo/75laLo3FcwW5bj9m77X6hP6jAHbTTUiK93fXgih1sjvcaCAt7fbtfOukmO4KwSZlw/yvXI=; Message-ID: <876384.72617.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HCR.eDYVM1n21xzfbEdAJgsr32z9YCbnj0hkUCrKS97g8WCJ0VXrtI4S.NMZQuHWgLrNTQ9x0JbJ_Gsd6z.tpOYfk.A8DyZTEvO1LXTt6bh.J3Rolk9kgFnP.NN4xaBX8CLc942.4svGpMWH6gadni542CZFoJl4gwaPglYyisro7NbuQiNniuX59K5DJXgHWH38DVDCdDsaUX0zYSqdJL8vICvm8o1kw833FOV0tsvIIPdopp2T04NyXJbtq7AtEzeSqxHkJPddcZLWeorfLXB8OiLyvzfxpxyTeCgPVEqG.h3jGeog9_ySJRklVkSJsqzqW9BSz33MLyc_JKbzcL5Qhf7y2yoPq2yvTFidiI.z Received: from [201.231.61.15] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:19:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090801222851.GA82067@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Filezilla doesn't work after libjpeg upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:19:24 -0000 Thanks Dan, it was WxGTK2 that caused the issue. It was solved by a simple = portupgrade wxgtk2.=0A=0A=0ALeonardo M. Ram=E9=0Ahttp://leonardorame.blogsp= ot.com=0A=0A=0A--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Dan Nelson wro= te:=0A=0A> From: Dan Nelson =0A> Subject: Re: File= zilla doesn't work after libjpeg upgrade=0A> To: "Leonardo M. Ram=E9" =0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Date: Saturday,= August 1, 2009, 7:28 PM=0A> In the last episode (Aug 01),=0A> Leonardo M. = Ram=E9 said:=0A> > =0A> > A couple of weeks ago I upgraded libjpeg to 10, a= nd=0A> had to upgrade a bunch=0A> > of programs that required this library.= =0A> > =0A> > Today I needed to use FileZilla client and received=0A> this = error:=0A> > =0A> > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libjpeg.so.9" not= =0A> found, required by "libwx_gtk2_aui-2.8.so.0"=0A> > =0A> > I tried to r= ecompile FileZilla to avoid the error and=0A> it is still showing.=0A> =0A>= Sounds like you missed upgrading whatever port installed=0A> libwx_gtk2_au= i-2.8.so.0, since it still depends on=0A> libjpeg.so.9.=A0 Run=0A> "locate = libwx_gtk2_aui-2.8.so.0", then "pkg_info -W=0A> (whatever locate=0A> finds)= ", then "portupgrade -f (whatever pkg_info finds)".=0A> =0A> -- =0A> =A0=A0= =A0 Dan Nelson=0A> =A0=A0=A0 dnelson@allantgroup.com=0A> =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 13:30:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0FC106566C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:30:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3B1B8FC1E for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44065 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2009 13:30:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249219810; bh=E/YlDPyYRKuddRazPP1KDz+/j+YU3W6kQcU/mbCmSyA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gXDye27Nd3GwD+/gF5lVVUbOkjhzcFCyWvNxve7H6RgjGSwTZSaSpnN8U0LtP2aJrxeTRGgvAVyRoHPiXTeiKmLfcIshT5NyGJCfEi6B+YKYSM4pJCqR7hiWU009IOuoyhV6IkW6561J/jC3QOgFwXKOOun8MLgWke3O0qvtqTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=saeHTEy3JscmwQ0eSPoS5jpnBcmmxYviYPeyb6nvo+exGHh3KjRCc6sUdItzIwVAW17DNnB6+8NT5uX524jIWjvfgpKhKP/qi8EguoC0+WIrZu/fx7SYJFDgE4kfjoXaF1jOTWjRrV+8oI9QWvbooXeDDve8GGhKGUYCpMhGwGs=; Message-ID: <255245.43002.qm@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: x7x0LKMVM1maGj6CGQrRDELp8PcNedSAhpiABuh_m4ag9hE9Tr9VEqvwklAMexbTprtn5Ikzc4HJDc.stZBGf.8jcS4pAQwmYY5_YNVBpf9AMq4Lhxcclk75T88bgblfw_E.59lFq_lyplfcrDIwKZBoXchaGTRaaek3ywsSWuF7Sq09cZCC76Caa52kkcezSxlHaz_t33gv18jYjGuyS_D_0GGQ7TWbfccyy4Xvhk7b9R.7_EBe_g.y059h4.l_QOll.9jSqyEKm6q5JdngjRJwWwbDWW56RuhHp60wSOhpbK1KTC2Pb7t89OUlTC14VLa47mw8n8cgYQeWbah8ArRAdhTCUpXWjeRleyH4iX2kzn.FRK6fMy5.4t80KJ_J21o- Received: from [201.231.61.15] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 06:30:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Dell Touchpad and Mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:30:11 -0000 Hi, my home computer is a Dell Inspiron 1525. When I use it in Windows, the= touchpad is automatically disabled when I connect an USB mouse. I noted in= FreeBSD the mouse and touchpad are allways enabled.=0A=0ADoes anyone knows= how can I fix this?.=0A=0ALeonardo M. Ram=E9=0Ahttp://leonardorame.blogspo= t.com=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 16:48:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692AF106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: from superhero.nl (wolverine.superhero.nl [77.73.16.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5EF8FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@superhero.nl) Received: (qmail 42300 invoked by uid 80); 2 Aug 2009 16:21:24 -0000 Received: from 94.210.236.16 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gelsemap) by webmail.superhero.nl with HTTP; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:21:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200b2b8e99de41b34148609cc22da3d9.squirrel@webmail.superhero.nl> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:21:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gelsema, P \(Patrick\) - FreeBSD" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: +ahd0: Transmission error detected X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:48:07 -0000 Hi, I received this erron on my Freebsd 7-Stable (1 or 2 months old). I dont know how to read this error. Is this hardware? Or a software issue? Box is still running, 3 x SCSI and a ZFS pool on 3 SATA disks. Cheers, Patrick Logs____ +ahd0: Transmission error detected +LQISTAT1[0x0] LASTPHASE[0x1]:(P_DATAOUT|P_BUSFREE) +SCSISIGI[0x60]:(P_DATAIN_DT) PERRDIAG[0x4]:(CRCERR) +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +ahd0: Dumping Card State at program address 0x27 Mode 0x33 +Card was paused +INTSTAT[0x8]:(SCSIINT) SELOID[0x2] SELID[0x20] HS_MAILBOX[0x0] +INTCTL[0xc0]:(SWTMINTEN|SWTMINTMASK) SEQINTSTAT[0x10]:(SEQ_SWTMRTO) +SAVED_MODE[0x11] DFFSTAT[0x20]:(CURRFIFO_0|FIFO1FREE) +SCSISIGI[0x76]:(P_DATAIN_DT|REQI|BSYI|ATNI) SCSIPHASE[0x2]:(DATA_IN_PHASE) +SCSIBUS[0x5] LASTPHASE[0x1]:(P_DATAOUT|P_BUSFREE) +SCSISEQ0[0x0] SCSISEQ1[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) +SEQCTL0[0x10]:(FASTMODE) SEQINTCTL[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] +SEQ_FLAGS2[0x0] QFREEZE_COUNT[0x39] KERNEL_QFREEZE_COUNT[0x39] +MK_MESSAGE_SCB[0xff00] MK_MESSAGE_SCSIID[0xff] SSTAT0[0x0] +SSTAT1[0x19]:(REQINIT|BUSFREE|PHASEMIS) SSTAT2[0x0] +SSTAT3[0x0] PERRDIAG[0x0] SIMODE1[0xa4]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) +LQISTAT0[0x0] LQISTAT1[0x0] LQISTAT2[0x80]:(PACKETIZED) +LQOSTAT0[0x0] LQOSTAT1[0x0] LQOSTAT2[0x81]:(LQOSTOP0) + +SCB Count = 512 CMDS_PENDING = 11 LASTSCB 0x1f3 CURRSCB 0x1f3 NEXTSCB 0xffc0 +qinstart = 59875 qinfifonext = 59875 +QINFIFO: +WAITING_TID_QUEUES: +Pending list: +499 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +508 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +419 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +451 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +414 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +406 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +450 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +417 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +500 FIFO_USE[0x1] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +403 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +501 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +Total 11 +Kernel Free SCB lists: + Any Device: 481 411 492 488 457 484 496 469 468 461 497 449 502 487 480 416 454 467 506 478 505 503 494 400 459 412 489 420 498 485 495 464 460 410 421 483 455 507 458 409 404 493 511 448 399 472 408 415 418 413 482 490 452 476 407 510 477 401 466 473 463 479 471 491 405 462 465 456 486 402 504 429 422 423 424 470 425 426 475 474 427 428 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 509 453 447 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 437 438 439 398 397 396 395 394 393 392 391 390 389 388 387 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 368 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 349 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 323 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 267 266 265 264 263 262 261 260 259 258 25! 7 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 241 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 222 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 196 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 +Sequencer Complete DMA-inprog list: +Sequencer Complete list: +Sequencer DMA-Up and Complete list: +Sequencer On QFreeze and Complete list: + + +ahd0: FIFO0 Active, LONGJMP == 0x286, SCB 0x1a1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0xc]:(DIRECTION|HDMAEN) DFSTATUS[0x89]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|PRELOAD_AVAIL) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0xa3]:(LAST_SEG_DONE|LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] +DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] SOFFCNT[0xb] MDFFSTAT[0x12]:(DATAINFIFO|LASTSDONE) +SHADDR = 0x07e154000, SHCNT = 0x0 HADDR = 0x07e154000, HCNT = 0x0 +CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) + +ahd0: FIFO1 Free, LONGJMP == 0x8286, SCB 0x1c1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0x0] DFSTATUS[0x89]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|PRELOAD_AVAIL) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0x2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0xb] MDFFSTAT[0x5]:(FIFOFREE|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x00, SHCNT = 0x0 +HADDR = 0x00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) +LQIN: 0x5 0x0 0x1 0xa1 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x40 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x2 0x0 +ahd0: LQISTATE = 0x25, LQOSTATE = 0x0, OPTIONMODE = 0x42 +ahd0: OS_SPACE_CNT = 0x1f MAXCMDCNT = 0x1 +ahd0: SAVED_SCSIID = 0x0 SAVED_LUN = 0x0 + +SIMODE0[0xc]:(ENOVERRUN|ENIOERR) +CCSCBCTL[0x0] +ahd0: REG0 == 0x1f3, SINDEX = 0x133, DINDEX = 0x106 +ahd0: SCBPTR == 0x1e1, SCB_NEXT == 0x1f4, SCB_NEXT2 == 0xff0a +CDB 2a 0 3 80 88 c1 +STACK: 0x23 0x140 0x140 0x286 0x286 0x27f 0x286 0x39 +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +LQIRETRY for LQIPHASE_NLQ +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +ahd0: Dumping Card State at program address 0xa9 Mode 0x0 +Card was paused +INTSTAT[0x8]:(SCSIINT) SELOID[0x2] SELID[0x20] HS_MAILBOX[0x0] +INTCTL[0xc0]:(SWTMINTEN|SWTMINTMASK) SEQINTSTAT[0x10]:(SEQ_SWTMRTO) +SAVED_MODE[0x11] DFFSTAT[0x20]:(CURRFIFO_0|FIFO1FREE) +SCSISIGI[0xb6]:(P_MESGOUT|REQI|BSYI|ATNI) SCSIPHASE[0x4]:(MSG_OUT_PHASE) +SCSIBUS[0xbf] LASTPHASE[0x1]:(P_DATAOUT|P_BUSFREE) +SCSISEQ0[0x0] SCSISEQ1[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) +SEQCTL0[0x10]:(FASTMODE) SEQINTCTL[0x80]:(INTVEC1DSL) +SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS2[0x4]:(SELECTOUT_QFROZEN) +QFREEZE_COUNT[0x3a] KERNEL_QFREEZE_COUNT[0x39] MK_MESSAGE_SCB[0xff00] +MK_MESSAGE_SCSIID[0xff] SSTAT0[0x2]:(SPIORDY) SSTAT1[0x11]:(REQINIT|PHASEMIS) +SSTAT2[0x0] SSTAT3[0x0] PERRDIAG[0x0] SIMODE1[0xa4]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) +LQISTAT0[0x0] LQISTAT1[0x0] LQISTAT2[0x80]:(PACKETIZED) +LQOSTAT0[0x0] LQOSTAT1[0x0] LQOSTAT2[0x81]:(LQOSTOP0) + +SCB Count = 512 CMDS_PENDING = 11 LASTSCB 0x1f3 CURRSCB 0x1f3 NEXTSCB 0xffc0 +qinstart = 59875 qinfifonext = 59883 +QINFIFO: 0x1e1 0x19b 0x1ec 0x1e8 0x1c9 0x1e4 0x1f0 0x1d5 +WAITING_TID_QUEUES: +Pending list: +469 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +496 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +484 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +457 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +488 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +492 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +411 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +481 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +499 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +508 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +419 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +451 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +414 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +406 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +450 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +417 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +500 FIFO_USE[0x1] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +403 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +501 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +Total 19 +Kernel Free SCB lists: + Any Device: 468 461 497 449 502 487 480 416 454 467 506 478 505 503 494 400 459 412 489 420 498 485 495 464 460 410 421 483 455 507 458 409 404 493 511 448 399 472 408 415 418 413 482 490 452 476 407 510 477 401 466 473 463 479 471 491 405 462 465 456 486 402 504 429 422 423 424 470 425 426 475 474 427 428 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 509 453 447 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 437 438 439 398 397 396 395 394 393 392 391 390 389 388 387 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 368 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 349 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 323 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 267 266 265 264 263 262 261 260 259 258 257 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 24! 9 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 241 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 222 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 196 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 +Sequencer Complete DMA-inprog list: +Sequencer Complete list: +Sequencer DMA-Up and Complete list: +Sequencer On QFreeze and Complete list: + + +ahd0: FIFO0 Active, LONGJMP == 0x2db, SCB 0x1a1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0xc]:(DIRECTION|HDMAEN) DFSTATUS[0x8]:(HDONE) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0xa2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0x1] MDFFSTAT[0x6]:(DATAINFIFO|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x07e154006, SHCNT = 0xfffffa +HADDR = 0x01568a00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) + +ahd0: FIFO1 Free, LONGJMP == 0x8286, SCB 0x1c1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0x0] DFSTATUS[0x89]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|PRELOAD_AVAIL) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0x2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0x1] MDFFSTAT[0x5]:(FIFOFREE|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x00, SHCNT = 0x0 +HADDR = 0x00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) +LQIN: 0x5 0x0 0x1 0xa1 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x40 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x2 0x0 +ahd0: LQISTATE = 0x1f, LQOSTATE = 0x0, OPTIONMODE = 0x42 +ahd0: OS_SPACE_CNT = 0x20 MAXCMDCNT = 0x1 +ahd0: SAVED_SCSIID = 0x0 SAVED_LUN = 0x0 + +SIMODE0[0xc]:(ENOVERRUN|ENIOERR) +CCSCBCTL[0x0] +ahd0: REG0 == 0x9e60, SINDEX = 0x111, DINDEX = 0x106 +ahd0: SCBPTR == 0x1a1, SCB_NEXT == 0x1c2, SCB_NEXT2 == 0xff0a +CDB 2a 0 3 80 a0 41 +STACK: 0x36 0x24 0x140 0x140 0x286 0x286 0x27f 0x2db +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +ahd0: Recovery Initiated - Card was not paused +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +ahd0: Dumping Card State at program address 0xa9 Mode 0x0 +INTSTAT[0x0] SELOID[0x2] SELID[0x20] HS_MAILBOX[0x0] +INTCTL[0xc0]:(SWTMINTEN|SWTMINTMASK) SEQINTSTAT[0x10]:(SEQ_SWTMRTO) +SAVED_MODE[0x11] DFFSTAT[0x20]:(CURRFIFO_0|FIFO1FREE) +SCSISIGI[0xb6]:(P_MESGOUT|REQI|BSYI|ATNI) SCSIPHASE[0x0] +SCSIBUS[0xbf] LASTPHASE[0x1]:(P_DATAOUT|P_BUSFREE) +SCSISEQ0[0x0] SCSISEQ1[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) +SEQCTL0[0x10]:(FASTMODE) SEQINTCTL[0x80]:(INTVEC1DSL) +SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS2[0x4]:(SELECTOUT_QFROZEN) +QFREEZE_COUNT[0x3a] KERNEL_QFREEZE_COUNT[0x39] MK_MESSAGE_SCB[0xff00] +MK_MESSAGE_SCSIID[0xff] SSTAT0[0x2]:(SPIORDY) SSTAT1[0x11]:(REQINIT|PHASEMIS) +SSTAT2[0x0] SSTAT3[0x0] PERRDIAG[0x0] SIMODE1[0xa4]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) +LQISTAT0[0x0] LQISTAT1[0x0] LQISTAT2[0x80]:(PACKETIZED) +LQOSTAT0[0x0] LQOSTAT1[0x0] LQOSTAT2[0x81]:(LQOSTOP0) + +SCB Count = 512 CMDS_PENDING = 11 LASTSCB 0x1f3 CURRSCB 0x1f3 NEXTSCB 0xffc0 +qinstart = 59875 qinfifonext = 59890 +QINFIFO: 0x1e1 0x19b 0x1ec 0x1e8 0x1c9 0x1e4 0x1f0 0x1d5 0x1d4 0x1cd 0x1f1 0x1c1 0x1f6 0x1e7 0x1e0 +WAITING_TID_QUEUES: +Pending list: +480 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +487 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x17] +502 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +449 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +497 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +461 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +468 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +469 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +496 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +484 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +457 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +488 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +492 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +411 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +481 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +499 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +508 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +419 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +451 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +414 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +406 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +450 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +417 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +500 FIFO_USE[0x1] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +403 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +501 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +Total 26 +Kernel Free SCB lists: + Any Device: 416 454 467 506 478 505 503 494 400 459 412 489 420 498 485 495 464 460 410 421 483 455 507 458 409 404 493 511 448 399 472 408 415 418 413 482 490 452 476 407 510 477 401 466 473 463 479 471 491 405 462 465 456 486 402 504 429 422 423 424 470 425 426 475 474 427 428 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 509 453 447 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 437 438 439 398 397 396 395 394 393 392 391 390 389 388 387 386 385 384 383 382 381 380 379 378 377 376 375 374 373 372 371 370 369 368 367 366 365 364 363 362 361 360 359 358 357 356 355 354 353 352 351 350 349 348 347 346 345 344 343 342 341 340 339 338 337 336 335 334 333 332 331 330 329 328 327 326 325 324 323 322 321 320 319 318 317 316 315 314 313 312 311 310 309 308 307 306 305 304 303 302 301 300 299 298 297 296 295 294 293 292 291 290 289 288 287 286 285 284 283 282 281 280 279 278 277 276 275 274 273 272 271 270 269 268 267 266 265 264 263 262 261 260 259 258 257 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 24! 2 241 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 222 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 196 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 +Sequencer Complete DMA-inprog list: +Sequencer Complete list: +Sequencer DMA-Up and Complete list: +Sequencer On QFreeze and Complete list: + + +ahd0: FIFO0 Active, LONGJMP == 0x2db, SCB 0x1a1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0xc]:(DIRECTION|HDMAEN) DFSTATUS[0x8]:(HDONE) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0xa2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0x1] MDFFSTAT[0x6]:(DATAINFIFO|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x07e154006, SHCNT = 0xfffffa +HADDR = 0x01568a00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) + +ahd0: FIFO1 Free, LONGJMP == 0x8286, SCB 0x1c1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0x0] DFSTATUS[0x89]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|PRELOAD_AVAIL) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0x2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0x1] MDFFSTAT[0x5]:(FIFOFREE|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x00, SHCNT = 0x0 +HADDR = 0x00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) +LQIN: 0x5 0x0 0x1 0xa1 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x40 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x2 0x0 +ahd0: LQISTATE = 0x1f, LQOSTATE = 0x0, OPTIONMODE = 0x42 +ahd0: OS_SPACE_CNT = 0x20 MAXCMDCNT = 0x1 +ahd0: SAVED_SCSIID = 0x0 SAVED_LUN = 0x0 + +SIMODE0[0xc]:(ENOVERRUN|ENIOERR) +CCSCBCTL[0x0] +ahd0: REG0 == 0x9e60, SINDEX = 0x111, DINDEX = 0x106 +ahd0: SCBPTR == 0x1a1, SCB_NEXT == 0x1c2, SCB_NEXT2 == 0xff0a +CDB 2a 0 3 80 a0 41 +STACK: 0x36 0x24 0x140 0x140 0x286 0x286 0x27f 0x2db +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 499 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 508 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 419 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 451 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 414 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 406 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 450 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 417 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 500 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 403 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCB 501 - timed out +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Other SCB Timeout +ahd0: Recovery Initiated - Card was not paused +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dump Card State Begins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +ahd0: Dumping Card State at program address 0x34 Mode 0x0 +INTSTAT[0x0] SELOID[0x2] SELID[0x20] HS_MAILBOX[0x0] +INTCTL[0xc0]:(SWTMINTEN|SWTMINTMASK) SEQINTSTAT[0x10]:(SEQ_SWTMRTO) +SAVED_MODE[0x11] DFFSTAT[0x20]:(CURRFIFO_0|FIFO1FREE) +SCSISIGI[0xb6]:(P_MESGOUT|REQI|BSYI|ATNI) SCSIPHASE[0x0] +SCSIBUS[0xbf] LASTPHASE[0x1]:(P_DATAOUT|P_BUSFREE) +SCSISEQ0[0x0] SCSISEQ1[0x12]:(ENAUTOATNP|ENRSELI) +SEQCTL0[0x10]:(FASTMODE) SEQINTCTL[0x0] SEQ_FLAGS[0x0] +SEQ_FLAGS2[0x4]:(SELECTOUT_QFROZEN) QFREEZE_COUNT[0x3a] +KERNEL_QFREEZE_COUNT[0x39] MK_MESSAGE_SCB[0xff00] +MK_MESSAGE_SCSIID[0xff] SSTAT0[0x2]:(SPIORDY) SSTAT1[0x11]:(REQINIT|PHASEMIS) +SSTAT2[0x0] SSTAT3[0x0] PERRDIAG[0x0] SIMODE1[0xa4]:(ENSCSIPERR|ENSCSIRST|ENSELTIMO) +LQISTAT0[0x0] LQISTAT1[0x0] LQISTAT2[0x80]:(PACKETIZED) +LQOSTAT0[0x0] LQOSTAT1[0x0] LQOSTAT2[0x81]:(LQOSTOP0) + +SCB Count = 512 CMDS_PENDING = 11 LASTSCB 0x1f3 CURRSCB 0x1f3 NEXTSCB 0xffc0 +qinstart = 59875 qinfifonext = 59890 +QINFIFO: 0x1e1 0x19b 0x1ec 0x1e8 0x1c9 0x1e4 0x1f0 0x1d5 0x1d4 0x1cd 0x1f1 0x1c1 0x1f6 0x1e7 0x1e0 +WAITING_TID_QUEUES: +Pending list: +480 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +487 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x17] +502 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +449 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +497 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +461 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +468 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +469 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +496 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +484 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +457 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +488 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +492 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +411 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +481 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x68]:(STATUS_RCVD|TAG_ENB|DISCENB) +SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +499 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +508 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +419 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +451 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +414 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +406 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +450 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +417 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +500 FIFO_USE[0x1] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +403 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +501 FIFO_USE[0x0] SCB_CONTROL[0x60]:(TAG_ENB|DISCENB) SCB_SCSIID[0x27] +Total 26 +Kernel Free SCB lists: + Any Device: 416 454 467 506 478 505 503 494 400 459 412 489 420 498 485 495 464 460 410 421 483 455 507 458 409 404 493 511 448 399 472 408 415 418 413 482 490 452 476 407 510 477 401 466 473 463 479 471 491 405 462 465 456 486 402 504 429 422 423 424 470 425 426 475 474 427 428 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 509 453 447 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 437 438 439 398 397 396 395 394 393 392 391 390 389 388 387 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CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) + +ahd0: FIFO1 Free, LONGJMP == 0x8286, SCB 0x1c1 +SEQIMODE[0x3f]:(ENCFG4TCMD|ENCFG4ICMD|ENCFG4TSTAT|ENCFG4ISTAT|ENCFG4DATA|ENSAVEPTRS) +SEQINTSRC[0x0] DFCNTRL[0x0] DFSTATUS[0x89]:(FIFOEMP|HDONE|PRELOAD_AVAIL) +SG_CACHE_SHADOW[0x2]:(LAST_SEG) SG_STATE[0x0] DFFSXFRCTL[0x0] +SOFFCNT[0x1] MDFFSTAT[0x5]:(FIFOFREE|DLZERO) SHADDR = 0x00, SHCNT = 0x0 +HADDR = 0x00, HCNT = 0x0 CCSGCTL[0x10]:(SG_CACHE_AVAIL) +LQIN: 0x5 0x0 0x1 0xa1 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x40 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x2 0x0 +ahd0: LQISTATE = 0x1f, LQOSTATE = 0x0, OPTIONMODE = 0x42 +ahd0: OS_SPACE_CNT = 0x20 MAXCMDCNT = 0x1 +ahd0: SAVED_SCSIID = 0x0 SAVED_LUN = 0x0 + +SIMODE0[0xc]:(ENOVERRUN|ENIOERR) +CCSCBCTL[0x0] +ahd0: REG0 == 0x9e60, SINDEX = 0x100, DINDEX = 0x106 +ahd0: SCBPTR == 0x1a1, SCB_NEXT == 0x1c2, SCB_NEXT2 == 0xff0a +CDB 2a 0 3 80 a0 41 +STACK: 0x24 0x140 0x140 0x286 0x286 0x27f 0x2db 0x33 +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dump Card State Ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): SCB 488 - timed out +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): Other SCB Timeout +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): No other SCB worth waiting for... +ahd0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 26 SCBs aborted +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): WRITE(6). CDB: a 0 1 1f 20 0 +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,2 +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): SCSI bus reset occurred field replaceable unit: 2 +(da0:ahd0:0:1:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data) +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): WRITE(6). CDB: a 1c b6 3f 20 0 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,2 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCSI bus reset occurred field replaceable unit: 2 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data) +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): WRITE(10). CDB: 2a 0 3 ec a1 7f 0 0 20 0 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): ABORTED COMMAND info:3eca17f asc:47,3 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Information unit iuCRC error detected field replaceable unit: 8 +(da1:ahd0:0:2:0): Retrying Command (per Sense Data) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 18:53:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E83106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1958FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so3999690qyk.3 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wv1hiIOckmbvRLJs2/467pEC8BoY6SK22QSfdy1+Zvw=; b=nPke7U3sEIKfDBbyTFFwojEw9frqJq/yXTlGT7djyOLH5tCFLiKdd1wA2Wr6bMyE5s DAPUEv6zwSi8BLrQsiXlztytgFKGi1l1JEZ0Kn3Z9AvjVi6u7Aq6/NQt5P13eurMpj9n gKJpR3bn6pPdHoNVCvCrvaf872p8FPdcZgXNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=OgBeTLbFRgSUtFANsy7GibTh0MUVPmvORGX+St/6+X+5b4YQ0TLL+sJqTSaSuTTTjF K4xT0RCQH9qaF5LjzekdzF3RzAScwxhui2DQPVr/kmjCXT74KA0vQW/itW0PMwnIuyJ4 +xacGZVoWD3eYZGcgBBPpvSPhLNYnr3uupFAw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.96.73 with SMTP id g9mr975505qcn.45.1249239208768; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:53:28 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640908021153n1b8e5f88xc5c4be54385b52fb@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Advice on secure, simple web forum software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:53:30 -0000 One of my not-for-profit websites is increasing in popularity and users are requesting forums. I am going to add forums now, but I'm not sure which route to take: 1. Install the forums software so it runs on my webserver. 2. Use some third-party forums website [with their advertising probably]. I much prefer #1 to avoid any advertising (which my website is completely free of). Packages currently installed on my system that may be relevant are: apache-2.2.11_7 php5-5.2.10 I would like to get some recommendations on which route to take. If I'm going to install forums to run directly on my server, the software needs to be secure (as few bugs or loopholes, exploits as possible), the same UNIX user will be running a couple of other small sites. Also simplicity of design is preferred, feature bloat and dependencies are bad. I'm willing to install a database such as MySQL. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 19:53:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF721106566C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696DF8FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: by gxk17 with SMTP id 17so4809187gxk.19 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:53:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bOU/kM3MK+C4r6tDsUCv0jXIldF3lgTE9QqX1lUFK9w=; b=MrNhxOh/xj815CTXZYPTmktITl+futJhspQrwXwLxgibBIi9y3+BX1uk5IkVyM8U0M nomozjmFIRaQszpAo2YnbaYfzXH2jmxKcHvZewIYR2vmU+jJVp0eSXNbb9zM3TaLu/kI 8pQ9aG7n7uHZB00QFYJrSbOMmllP7uxPYVgwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qz8IteNiiQEQDHxltdSo7AREZulP8l8LPiYORsnaGiwGGajEayst4yyoCHdApdGAUl SKMaOg8yFW2BWAVfwhwEZwxi2YicTKzSQ1bkqt06DS7ledKjILHfq7XumHn6PuU6aowi itxsu0HTt/9jSGAPRwUsi1d5tU/EiChJ2Xa6Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.138.7 with SMTP id l7mr6916200and.141.1249242832954; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907290048.n6T0mZ0D001225@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200907290048.n6T0mZ0D001225@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:53:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-09:12.bind X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:53:53 -0000 Trying to apply this to a 6.4 box with no manpages install. Install fails because the man3 directory doesn't exist. is this expected? Adding the src.conf knob of WITHOUT_MAN=1 still prevents the updated libraries to install. I'm just following the directions on the advisory and doesn't install cleanly. I'm not running named/bind on the box, so there is no immediate pressure, but I'd still like to apply the fix. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 20:08:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB24106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212388FC14 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2007755bwz.43 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.117.194 with SMTP id s2mr2152738faq.83.1249243718528; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:08:38 +0300 Message-ID: <8652e7930908021308k2bdd0d3cj13ebc34383c0c32e@mail.gmail.com> From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7Uz84g69XS2NHO?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Analyze load of the channel to Internet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:08:40 -0000 Hello everybody... Need to view and get real-time reporting of outgoing channel to Internet? I think, that this is may be realized by means of ipfw (e.g. - get counters of count rules for Internet and divide them to time, which passed between analyzing) But, maybe, there is an utility, to which I can communicate (or which could analyze) my outgoing channel to Internet - and report me (mean some redirection script) when an outgoing channel gets overflowed, and I need to redirect all other outgoing traffic to another channel. I would like to clear: I have to channels for Internet, meaned for gaming club - but I don't have enough finance to afford buying some Cisco device and this 2 channel are 512 kilobits and 768 kilobits of outgoing traffic Please, help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 20:57:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E93D10656FB for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sseekamp@risei.net) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB38FC14 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sseekamp@risei.net) Received: from monibeast.risei.net ([71.216.68.145] helo=Anduin.risei.net) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MXhlC-000AMg-OT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:34:26 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 71.216.68.145 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/QP6xiJVebJaT4x1rNSCgC8XwuhKHMyE8= Message-Id: From: Scott Seekamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:34:25 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: USB Vendor ID's X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: complists@risei.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:57:04 -0000 I have 2 servers running what should be identical copies of 7.2 release. I am plugging in an Apple USB Ethernet adapter and on one server I get this: ugen3: on uhub7 and on the other I get this: ugen0: on uhub0 What would cause the device id to be recognized on one server and not the other? They both have identical kernel configs. Thanks Scott From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 21:05:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB6F106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2958FC1B for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:05:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2484983ewy.43 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wTCbV8Xn3qqJzGCGq1RitwGZS2gpddGWyPaLkegOuPM=; b=j89X9f4jV8YkPZqBmupoDhv5pzXo4t7xa6XsiMjqsmWo/wE3VBcFFpa7aFtgpz9JPC pgNRGZvmuQZYTa8NuVrmUOPipxfrtFlNWilTlfJLYOCt0CEyXVZs1HaZBZdCRp86kA9s CTxGnA+8hCUx3G4Mhwc+C6tRQyHDaw9PlpyPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bCn3kj+5oBQvl/5oBV7xJ0tgi13IWLvqUH3+txs7xZFdr3zPI8qBLidLSagfQWHbW/ 1yLaRtfwrJz/Y7g/VAQ0OMfnpIr2SGGVlsF3SJG8SKOmBhBAwZu1LJMC/zVfV4Iv17ck UiuhJRbgrfPikPaSmGzbE6Gw7dMsgzLtuw6pc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.213 with SMTP id u63mr1063867wee.15.1249247140051; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> References: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: herbert langhans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:05:41 -0000 I've had great success with my my T43. I strongly recommend it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 21:24:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF310106564A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbooth@juniper.net) Received: from exprod7og120.obsmtp.com (exprod7og120.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989658FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rbooth@juniper.net) Received: from source ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob120.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSnYEEemLF5m5hLMRRYz8LmQLfEHYjy+K@postini.com; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:24:33 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::fc92:eb1:759:2c72%11]) with mapi; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:11:28 -0700 From: Randy Booth To: Daniel Underwood , herbert langhans Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:11:25 -0700 Thread-Topic: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? Thread-Index: AcoTtSSSpFh12t+5RwK/5jOqD26IqAAACa9g Message-ID: <4BD66FC255394E49AF2EC47B4E7974173C72E2E52D@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:24:35 -0000 Avoid T42 (2374-K5U). Everything works fine, but it's an oddball version a= pparently and there is next to no documentation regarding it on many of the= wiki sites. There are many decent models of T42. I'd just avoid this par= ticular model to avoid confusion. Thanks, Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Underwood Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:06 PM To: herbert langhans Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? I've had great success with my my T43. I strongly recommend it. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 2 21:51:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD52106566B for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-out2.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-OUT2.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451148FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,310,1246831200"; d="scan'208";a="220309215" Received: from zivmaildisp2.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER03.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.143]) by zivm-relay2.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2009 23:51:17 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER03.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id A15641B0751; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:51:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: strange ee behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:51:19 -0000 this issue still exists in BETA-2. imo it really needs to be fixed before the release of 8.0. if i were to test a new OS and discover that it comes with an editor which crashes when opening a new term i'd be very frustrated. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 00:52:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8093106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-8.bnguk.net (atmail-8.bnguk.net [80.74.253.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863648FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-8.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MWy1Y-0003hO-63; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:44:16 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8466F4AC1F; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:29:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:29:09 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090731112909.GA53554@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:52:27 -0000 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:32:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? I use Firefox > (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I > also use elinks (when graphics don't matter). I'm looking for some > middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is > faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox. (Note: I tried dillo, but > it doesn't display most sites well enough.) You could give galeon a try. Disclaimer: I used it for a bit years ago, so no idea what it's like now. > > TIA, > Daniel Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 01:55:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD0B1065672 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436118FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n731t3qb012122; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:55:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 162636921C; 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Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [80.69.71.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF038FC18 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 203-206-171-212.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.206.171.212] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MXmF1-000PyJ-CX for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:21:33 +1000 Message-ID: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:22:37 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-08-03 11:21:31 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:3642 X-Message-Linecount: 58 X-Body-Linecount: 47 X-Message-Size: 2081 X-Body-Size: 1703 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: questions@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: Subject: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:01:42 -0000 I have a situation that I've come across from time to time that I have never found a good fix for. Sometimes I'll install a freebsd box at a site with private addresses (RFC 1918). Most of the time these sites also have local DNS setups. I'll take my home network as an example. My FreeBSD box (7.2) does: - File serving - PPP/Routing/NATd for the local network - WWW - Local DNS Nothing special. The network is a 192.168 network and the local domain is .lan The problem is when I try to forward periodic output to my real email address. My email box see's the EHLO from beastie.lan and rejects the message based on the fact that root@beastie.lan is an unroutable address. There are a few solutions I've used in the past. - Replace sendmail with exim and configure the SMTP domain. - Put beastie.lan in my email servers hosts file. Neither of these are what I am looking for. I'd like to make sendmail re-write all outgoing emails (envelope as well as message) as *@some.real.domain instead of *@beastie.lan. I have a simple sendmail submit setup. (sendmail=no in rc.conf) I've added the following to the default sendmail mc file: MASQUERADE_AS(`mypublicdomain.com')dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(beasie.lan)dnl Recompiled the cf files and restarted sendmail. Here is the kicker. If I log in as a normal user it masquerades just fine. If I simply "su -" to root, the masquerading works fine and the mail is sent as the original logged in user. But if I log in as root via the console then it does not alter the messages. Apart from ditching sendmail for another MTA, does anyone know how I might coerce sendmail into rewriting root's messages as well? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 02:39:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F85D1065673 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FD28FC2A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2571982ewy.43 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:39:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RYA9LW5Zb6mRyXop+8xrWmHU9ieNvYSebH9XA23EZzY=; b=xYkyPkZI+DxCgf0XxgfkTZaJkq5uhT1JVTgjrMh2yOi3QpRw4j6MtIL3XOGLC+lJZ1 P9lamNcQUGZkdTScJ3NLn6NAhP+Q+4aOeM8duBslGZcFf7rw6jaX6PswQ1fot0pCIqm3 6u1j7mMsXTxWfQYLOoGwVO5c7cc+a2b1icpyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vkMq3/+2Uvf4vE+tYc4zCgNetO6u9tDyMAYM1Y1Twk7a294lgmsJfIiTIj1PRPuai+ j6WPQUvBuFjROy79Y7RYIz8CZEusdJzWzPy0oY1t4ywsstwzXv5Kr7jM/Ei3I2U4xFP7 5GpIJoi09o61aJdawiWfekejtd7VCDj1kzBMg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.12 with SMTP id x12mr1069680wee.48.1249267159767; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:39:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: herbert langhans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:39:21 -0000 > I've had great success with my my T43. =A0I strongly recommend it. Everything on my T43 works with without any extra configuration. The only drivers you have to mess with are the wireless drivers. But the "iwi" drivers work perfectly, and you can configure them easily a few extra lines in /etc/rc.conf and /boot/loader.conf. Again, excellent laptop! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 02:41:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4ED10656C5 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4FF8FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by gxk17 with SMTP id 17so4954023gxk.19 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:41:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9JLbcM5JtiOdJXSJBGLndds0wziN45ogb1CDi9wSz8w=; b=NzxYQIPsqgQuDTltaz6ITurCsVMq1fwKeO8PXagwNSkyVpzfFhQi9hL583PxI9XYHc VsIsYcLWKMHOm5x5HckLlWRWkpSE7ASlk7EqqxINt4ic0T1VUEyCysdHhY3CFHlsKpLF 1V/aEnr9k9ljLJE0v5CKENyBgO9Rn0tk8SMxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PIdFFwcLD0XEjRqBTDGj0fM/DI7TL0zRxMYSoi502vSvyJTnaeg16472pAk2T8/khu 8AoNeHrgKrJar0L8x2iFCFgexZIzpPssotA0gRAKUHEvswBDnu4JTHP2Et/3/INMI5re cMCJkuF4El3xHYfCiwPgQv5mnEdxUr5/i3s20= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.14.5 with SMTP id r5mr8113843ybi.299.1249267285146; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:41:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090731112909.GA53554@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20090731112909.GA53554@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:41:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Daniel Underwood , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:41:26 -0000 > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 02:32:49AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: >> >> Can anyone suggest a fast graphical web browser? =A0I use Firefox >> (because every page displays well and I can sync bookmarks), and I >> also use elinks (when graphics don't matter). =A0I'm looking for some >> middle ground, a browser that can display most sites well but is >> faster (or more lightweight) than Firefox. =A0(Note: I tried dillo, but >> it doesn't display most sites well enough.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers That seems to a logical suggestion given that I'm (we are) not sure what you are looking for. "~Firefox is too slow and dillo doesn't display most websites . . . well enough~" is a bit tough to parse (specifically, to your needs). I find ff to be good enough, as far as your requirements are concerned, as well as IE (ugh!). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 02:41:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB90106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com (mail-pz0-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA048FC1C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so3617957pzk.3 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:41:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jEOvWu4NUl0NtXyrEWY1SwlK/1hX8vKz/+OvPpDvl9Y=; b=Mk27kRw1yg5AaVLQiB5kliwd3ACtYeiF9Ubt266DDrSAymWvcmRr8g/pSqGZLFHhiK /O8n6tPfpvwF9o9BvlSxJRJ5E18LX8ShWxa6bCrOoNa3+CSvZlmIFJkPfy6F35o/En7f wP8fgua9B2uM7h9cuDxcF5mpeIhWTNWVrwZ8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YYGpLzL/NvO0FCWyY2evZOnPOEVRlkvFx+zdDFREpa3QW8eJMeMk8aBn2EYJwh3v3i kLJJA4QCSIJu2HEgMF+aQZOelufGiYmco0cW3t9oWlNRmPdErYxNy8lwBPQAwHoKcHDp ZKd+A/3e+5DMCM6pPUlIiCA+ulqFZBIUgeKNY= Received: by 10.115.109.19 with SMTP id l19mr8433032wam.45.1249266967673; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.227? (pool-72-69-208-216.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.69.208.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c26sm9779332waa.50.2009.08.02.19.36.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A764D17.1060905@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:36:07 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: markham roan References: <548f3c460907311115y5e89341ds91b43cd62c16dbf4@mail.gmail.com> <4CDE5D672E6F40FEAE3138B1AF745B17@rivendell> <548f3c460907311227i555aa7der39f1f8af435a6b74@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <548f3c460907311227i555aa7der39f1f8af435a6b74@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Windows 2008 + AD + PF + bridge = problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:41:54 -0000 > Another idea could be giving 7.x a shot as it has newer version of PF IIRC. > > > That's on the list of things to try, but upgrading will probably be painful, > so I'm hoping to find something else first. > > Something else you might want to try is to find/install the new PF from source, if you don't want to try a general upgrade. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 02:47:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C535C1065673; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmende@optusnet.com.au) Received: from fallbackmx10.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx10.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F31A8FC14; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmende@optusnet.com.au) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by fallbackmx10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n730Afpk005441; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:10:42 +1000 Received: from [192.168.10.7] (c122-106-251-79.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.251.79]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n730AbXf007851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:10:38 +1000 Message-Id: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> From: Tom Mende To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:10:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: Subject: freebsd-update & userland sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:47:42 -0000 Is there a way to get freebsd-update to keep userland sources up to date? I had thought that having src, world and kernel as components in the freebsd-update.conf file would do this but it doesn't seem to. Do I just add usr.bin and usr.sbin to the components list in the conf file and run freebsd-update or is it more complex than this? I have read the man pages on this but there must be a gap between my english and how the man pages are written because I'm obviously missing the point somewhere. By way of background, I am trying not to use csup / cvsup and like processes as their past, admittedly incorrect, usage by me, combined with my incompetent salvage operations, has hosed my systems to the point of needing to be reinstalled from scratch. I have been using a combination of portsnap and freebsd-update to keep my 7.2-RELEASE system up to date and commenced this at about 6.3-RELEASE and have managed to not hose the system since that time. It now however appears I need to have userland sources to keep fusefs-kmod up to date. /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod>make install clean ===> fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_6 requires the userland sources to be installed. Set SRC_BASE if it is not in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod. .if !exists(${SRC_BASE}/sbin/mount) IGNORE= requires the userland sources to be installed. Set SRC_BASE if it is not in /usr/src .endif I have got around this by manually downloading the fusefs- kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_6.tbz, pkg_adding it, and then forcing the packages that have this pkg as a dependency to portupgrade with the -f option. Now portupgrade hits this pkg warning message (IGNORE msg) everytime it runs. Cheers, Tom Mende From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 03:03:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55D1106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f188.google.com (mail-px0-f188.google.com [209.85.216.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D72C8FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so2296435pxi.7 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:03:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+4p+f8XIjeuIAeIAwfx07wJON0zxht60rmrsECf+PfE=; b=GutXN8y4143+t5OBe2UwQp6UdR0xndt21OLer1ifgH9uOQQqAeMAzrUCGN+anO5fo7 HmttLXAzviLa4MzpXDHFwC8Pg/fc7J2BBn1wvHIrtX7Jiw3zp6c3bx7ZizT+NNePeLKt nltfhMMNZVR4lwVkXIKLCscWO1dh9qNT+L788= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kSwNyyKSazin8CODRY9aMPbQTtMbZfEvsbbESW8XNqCIupA5YtsJpKzJmCzNuwoBh1 +baFMlXmJNFvjN2PH5uSR3qo9b/KQqN5zRiu6Q7gAlBBxyOX8El/M+uexdt5w+cZ2aoY 7CXR/Fd//Hj13MCZ5itKgxnvQQna+mfcKhsQE= Received: by 10.114.127.19 with SMTP id z19mr7146850wac.159.1249266698811; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.227? (pool-72-69-208-216.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.69.208.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l30sm9667211waf.0.2009.08.02.19.31.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A764C0A.9030304@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:31:38 -0500 From: LoH User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Underwood References: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> <4BD66FC255394E49AF2EC47B4E7974173C72E2E52D@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <4BD66FC255394E49AF2EC47B4E7974173C72E2E52D@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:03:08 -0000 For now, I'd suggest avoiding the T500 series as well. They're good machines, but you're basically stuck (for now) with either the integrated graphics or the radeon driver (which still is spotty on X). Randy Booth wrote: > Avoid T42 (2374-K5U). Everything works fine, but it's an oddball version apparently and there is next to no documentation regarding it on many of the wiki sites. There are many decent models of T42. I'd just avoid this particular model to avoid confusion. > > Thanks, > > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Underwood > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:06 PM > To: herbert langhans > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? > > I've had great success with my my T43. I strongly recommend it > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 04:29:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83FE106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4D58FC16 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A553B04FB; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:29:23 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: ufWE5TcQ7DiShz2TUO4+bqgVhtISTg9ezv3/SR96zEpj 1249273746 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0D3E10DA8; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:29:21 -0500 References: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:29:24 -0000 On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Danny Carroll wrote: > MASQUERADE_AS(`mypublicdomain.com')dnl > FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(beasie.lan)dnl > > Recompiled the cf files and restarted sendmail. > > Here is the kicker. If I log in as a normal user it masquerades just > fine. > > If I simply "su -" to root, the masquerading works fine and the > mail is > sent as the original logged in user. > > But if I log in as root via the console then it does not alter the > messages. I found the answer to your problem here: http://www.grok.org.uk/docs/smroot.html The file that is being included which has the EXPOSED_USER(`root') line lives at /usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain/generic.m4 Just make a copy of that file, call it beasie.m4, remove the "EXPOSE_USER" directive from your copy and then change DOMAIN(generic) to DOMAIN(beasie) in your mail .mc file. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 04:34:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9753106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800E88FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CD33BB6E3; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:16:04 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: twr7zIFiWwqnymvkhHR3gCdIq3sQE2ms50xqqRZgMXpY 1249272947 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DDC9D450; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <30347677-7D24-44D1-9D47-1A48D4CD1154@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: fbsd@dannysplace.net In-Reply-To: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:16:01 -0500 References: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:34:29 -0000 On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Danny Carroll wrote: > I've added the following to the default sendmail mc file: > > MASQUERADE_AS(`mypublicdomain.com')dnl > FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(beasie.lan)dnl > > Recompiled the cf files and restarted sendmail. > > Here is the kicker. If I log in as a normal user it masquerades just > fine. > > If I simply "su -" to root, the masquerading works fine and the > mail is > sent as the original logged in user. > > But if I log in as root via the console then it does not alter the > messages. By default sendmail does not MASQUERADE root (figuring that you get root mail from several of your machines and want to see which machine it is from). In the old days there was a feature "NO_MASQUERADE_ROOT", but looking through cf/README I see that that is one of the many things that have changed since I last seriously worked with sendmail. Now sendmail has a class of "exposed" users. These are usernames for which masquerading shouldn't take place. By default, root is in there. There is an .mc file directive EXPOSED(`username') which, according to the documentation, adds usernames to the list that shouldn't be masqueraded. Unfortunately, I don't see a mechanism for removing members from the E (Exposed) class. You could try EXPOSED() or EXPOSED(`') to see if either will remove things in the E class. The offending line in the generated .cf file is C{E}root if you still end up with that, then root will not get masqueraded. So if the above doesn't work, there probably is a clean way of clearing a class from the .mc file, but I don't know what it is. Hopefully others will be able to answer. In the worst case, you could manually edit the generated .cf file, to remove the C{E}root line, but that is not really a road I would recommend going down. At the risk of suggesting something that you probably know you should do in the long run, but would take a lot of tedious work to set up, you should probably move away from having your private network be .lan. Instead use .private.mypublicdomain.com and set up a local (on your private network) nameserver for that private subdomain. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 04:50:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F151065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f180.google.com (mail-vw0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B83B8FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so1301488vws.7 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:50:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wDizuD/Unl81N6lnMsctN7r5CWFed7MOzHizduLKIJA=; b=Z+V3REZlaVfuRCGP7MKVyTuNJNJp69Ll1v/hKCRZmvUngDBXGRfGBdZDjBPFbMcSRu PnGrzWBmZownW+p2NVKnmLmamr86fb7DZ+Wc40xBJnWnN4vMXFtk3Y16PgnT3obRZKWG NQHyNvrBJ5SEJsMLI7W93CT8obyWvOv+0MVkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ABMguZ+dZ+/n/xnqRIcVR+/GWk7RcDxNxu4CQFZ4uknT2RYiiGGwSvtw79h2aEPFn7 Tiq6av0zVW378/LpETLfkhqPUkQTUfmuBNSWl9saYbRwA9BrwTeTGICDra8FV380qaG3 35f7ZwDDeOfF0Q0wQIfk5pw1vFfYuxhUM89U4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.75.148 with SMTP id y20mr4231216vcj.100.1249275003870; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:50:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> References: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Tom Mende Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update & userland sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:50:05 -0000 2009/8/2 Tom Mende : > Is there a way to get freebsd-update to keep userland sources up to date? > > I had thought that having src, world and kernel as components in the > freebsd-update.conf file would do this but it doesn't seem to. Do I just = add > usr.bin and usr.sbin to the components list in the conf file and run > freebsd-update or is it more complex than this? I have read the man pages= on > this but there must be a gap between my english and how the man pages are > written because I'm obviously missing the point somewhere. > > By way of background, I am trying not to use csup / cvsup and like proces= ses > as their past, admittedly incorrect, usage by me, combined with my > incompetent salvage operations, has hosed my systems to the point of need= ing > to be reinstalled from scratch. I have been using a combination of portsn= ap > and freebsd-update to keep my 7.2-RELEASE system up to date and commenced > this at about 6.3-RELEASE and have managed to not hose the system since t= hat > time. It now however appears I need to have userland sources to keep > fusefs-kmod up to date. > > /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod>make install clean > =3D=3D=3D> =A0fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_6 requires the userland sourc= es to be > installed. Set SRC_BASE if it is not in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod. > > > .if !exists(${SRC_BASE}/sbin/mount) > IGNORE=3D =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 requires the userland sources to be installed. = Set SRC_BASE > if it is not in /usr/src > .endif > > > I have got around this by manually downloading the > fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_6.tbz, pkg_adding it, and then forcing the > packages that have this pkg as a dependency to portupgrade with the -f > option. Now portupgrade hits this pkg warning message (IGNORE msg) everyt= ime > it runs. > It sounds like you could solve this by merely downloading and untarring the sources. Or untarring the sources from your CD, if you have one. Download everything in http://mirror.pacific.net.au/FreeBSD/releases/i386/7.2-RELEASE/src/ into a directory and issue ./install.sh all This should work fine, even if you are running some other architecture as the sources are the same. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 05:10:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C63106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from mail.dannysplace.net (mail.dannysplace.net [80.69.71.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4768FC14 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@dannysplace.net) Received: from 203-206-171-212.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.206.171.212] helo=[192.168.10.10]) by mail.dannysplace.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MXpoB-0004ha-0U for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:10:05 +1000 Message-ID: <4A767180.7080108@dannysplace.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:11:28 +1000 From: Danny Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: danny X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 08-Jul-2008 08:59:40) X-Date: 2009-08-03 15:10:03 X-Connected-IP: 203.206.171.212:7751 X-Message-Linecount: 45 X-Body-Linecount: 32 X-Message-Size: 1109 X-Body-Size: 563 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 203.206.171.212 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: questions@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: fbsd@dannysplace.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ferrari.dannysplace.net X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL, MISSING_HEADERS,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail.dannysplace.net) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fbsd@dannysplace.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:10:06 -0000 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > I found the answer to your problem here: > > http://www.grok.org.uk/docs/smroot.html > > > The file that is being included which has the > > EXPOSED_USER(`root') > > line lives at > > /usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain/generic.m4 > > Just make a copy of that file, call it beasie.m4, remove the > "EXPOSE_USER" directive from your copy and then change > > DOMAIN(generic) > > to > > DOMAIN(beasie) > > in your mail .mc file. > > Cheers, > It seems your google-fu is much better than mine. Thanks so much for your help. -D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 05:22:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699E81065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from mail4.hostpark.net (mail4.hostpark.net [212.243.197.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B518FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail4.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DDC3F66F; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:58:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail4.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail4.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10124) with ESMTP id iPCfvSg1KAhy; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (9-56.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.3.56.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail4.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8773EF34; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from saturn.pcs.ms (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n7354xKV081732; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:04:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin@saturn.pcs.ms) Received: (from martin@localhost) by saturn.pcs.ms (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7354xu2081731; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:04:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:04:58 +0200 From: Martin Schweizer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090803050458.GA81711@saturn.pcs.ms> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH, CH-8608 Bubikon, Switzerland X-PGP-Key: http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc X-Fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239 Subject: Cyrus Imapd with SASL, authenticate against AD Windows 2003 with Kerberos5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Schweizer List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:22:44 -0000 Hello My goal is to authenticate my Cyrus Imapd users against Windos 2003 Active Directory with Kerberos . I have the following setup: Kerberos5 client =========== FreeBSD acsvfbsd06.domain.tld 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE /etc/krb.conf: [libdefaults] default_realm = domain.tld default_etypes_des = des-cbc-md5 [realms] ACUTRONIC.CH = { kdc = tcp/acsv3k04.domain.tld:88 } [logging] kdc = SYSLOG:INFO:AUTH admin_server = SYSLOG:INFO:AUTH default = SYSLOG:INFO:AUTH /etc/krb5.keytab (ktutil list output): For the keytab file I followed: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742433.aspx FILE:/etc/krb5.keytab: Vno Type Principal 1 des-cbc-md5 host/acsvfbsd06.domain.tld@DOMAIN.TLD I get tickets if I use kinit user: acsvfbsd06# kinit user martin@DOMAIN.TLD's Password: kinit: NOTICE: ticket renewable lifetime is 1 week klist: Credentials cache: FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_0 Principal: user@DOMAIN.TLD Issued Expires Principal Jul 31 17:58:09 Aug 1 03:57:44 krbtgt/DOMAIN.TLD@DOMAIN.TLD I an use ldapsearch as follows: acsvfbsd06# ldapsearch -v -LLL -b "OU=Mitgliedsserver,OU=ACH,DC=Domain,DC=tld" -h acsv3k04.domain.tld description ldap_initialize( ldap://acsv3k04.domain.tld) SASL/GSSAPI authentication started SASL username: user@DOMAIN.TLD SASL SSF: 56 SASL data security layer installed. filter: (objectclass=*) requesting: description dn: OU=Mitgliedsserver,OU=ACH,DC=Domain,DC=tld ... [snip] So far all looks well. For the Cyrus Imapd setup I run saslauthd -a kerberos5. /usr/local/etc/imapd.conf: configdirectory: /usr/imap/var/imap partition-default: /usr/imap/var/spool/imap virtdomains: yes admins:root cyrus sasl_option: 1 sasl_pwcheck_method: saslauthd sasl_mech_list: GSSAPI PLAIN LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 sasl_log_level: 7 lmtpsocket: /usr/imap/var/imap/socket/lmtp allowplaintext: yes Each time I start a test by - testsaslauthd -u user -p password or - imtest -m plain -a user localhost I get ervery time saslauthd[42062]: do_auth : auth failure: [user=user] [service=imap] [realm=] [mech=kerberos5] [reason=krb5_verify_user_opt failed] The krb5_verify_user_opt failed is comming from the Kerberos 5 Library (libkrb5, -lkrb5) -> krb5_verify_user_opt and is located in the auth_krb5.c (from SASL). I ckecked the kerberos/DNS communication on both sides with tshark and Netmon (Microsoft's "tcpdump") but the kerberos communications seems to be ok. Additionaly I started also a struss on saslauthd but also without any look. So I have now no more ideas where I can check. Any hints are welcome. Regards, -- Martin Schweizer PC-Service M. Schweizer GmbH; Bannholzstrasse 6; CH-8608 Bubikon Tel. +41 55 243 30 00; Fax: +41 55 243 33 22; http://www.pc-service.ch; public key : http://www.pc-service.ch/pgp/public_key.asc; fingerprint: EC21 CA4D 5C78 BC2D 73B7 10F9 C1AE 1691 D30F D239; From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 06:01:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7101065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (pukruppa.net [213.146.114.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DFB8FC15 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: from pukruppa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pukruppa.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n735h1cR063469 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:43:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) Received: (from ulrich@localhost) by pukruppa.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n735h1JM063468 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:43:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ulrich@pukruppa.net) From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa To: FreeBsd-Questions Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:43:00 +0200 Message-Id: <1249278181.1847.14.camel@pukruppa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.27.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Subject: snd_uaudio.ko (USB audio driver) doesn't work on FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2 amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:01:09 -0000 Hi, since I upgraded to FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2 amd64 my sound device doesn't work anymore. In my /boot/loader.conf I have got snd_uaudio_load="YES" # kldstat shows Id Refs Address Size Name 1 35 0xffffffff80100000 ce46e0 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff80de5000 13dc0 snd_uaudio.ko [...] # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: at ? kld snd_uaudio [MPSAFE] (1p:1v/1r:1v channels duplex default) A device /dev/dsp0.1 exists. What's going on there? Thanks for your replies and hints Uli. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 06:49:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F092A106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D3D8FC13 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pinz1c0041eYJf8A7ipQSi; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:49:24 +0000 Received: from goku.i.pumpky.net ([24.6.187.121]) by OMTA19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PipM1c00C2db5Y801ipPEW; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:49:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:49:20 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090803064920.GC93341@goku.i.pumpky.net> References: <20090731064650.GB93341@goku.i.pumpky.net> <20090731120046.82c135ca.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090731120046.82c135ca.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recovering Trashed Filesystems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:49:24 -0000 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:00:46PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:46:50 -0700, "Crist J. Clark" wrote: [snip] > > We see "usr" is messed up. And what I'd like to recover are > > files up in usr/local/etc. > > > > Now I can "mount -r /dev/ad0s1a /mnt" to get the above results, > > but "fsck /dev/ad0s1a" returns, > > > > # fsck /dev/ad0s1a > > ** /dev/ad0s1a > > BAD SUPER BLOCK: VALUES IN SUPER BLOCK DISAGREE WITH THOSE IN FIRST ALTERNATE > > > > LOOK FOR ALTERNATE SUPERBLOCKS? [yn] y > > > > 32 is not a file system superblock > > SEARCH FOR ALTERNATE SUPER-BLOCK FAILED. YOU MUST USE THE > > -b OPTION TO FSCK TO SPECIFY THE LOCATION OF AN ALTERNATE > > SUPER-BLOCK TO SUPPLY NEEDED INFORMATION; SEE fsck(8). > > You could try do locate superblocks using this command: Err... Hmmm. Seems to be something missing here? > Install the port ffs2recov and use its -s and -p options. Refer > to the excellent manpage. I got ffs2recov(1) and it would seem to be exactly what I need, but it's not working so well for me. I ran it with "-s" and it found some superblocks, superblock: 116113408(byte), 226784(block), cg: 116129792(byte), 226816(block), 10(nth), fs begin: 18446744073706014720(block), primary sb at: 18446744073706014848(block) superblock: 147439616(byte), 287968(block), cg: 147456000(byte), 288000(block), 2(nth), fs begin: 18446744073709086720(block), primary sb at: 18446744073709086848(block) superblock: 308805632(byte), 603136(block), cg: 308822016(byte), 603168(block), 11(nth), fs begin: 18446744073706014720(block), primary sb at: 18446744073706014848(block) superblock: 340131840(byte), 664320(block), cg: 340148224(byte), 664352(block), 3(nth), fs begin: 18446744073709086720(block), primary sb at: 18446744073709086848(block) ... But if I try to access that superblock as specified in the documentation, net5501# ffs2recov -o 226784 -p /dev/ad0s1f get_sblock: Bad magic (0) It doesn't work, but if I try it with bytes rather than blocks, net5501# ffs2recov -o 116113408 -p /dev/ad0s1f magic 19540119 (UFS2) time Fri Jun 27 20:36:13 2008 superblock location 65536 id [ 4865b1ad c24cb822 ] ncg 21 size 1970116 blocks 1907915 ... That makes me nervous. Anyway, I don't seem to be getting very far. ffs2recov(1) would seem to be exactly the thing I need, but it's not finding any files. [snip] > Finally, may I ask if you have any ideas about what caused this problem? Oh, yeah. The file systems reside on flash memory. I've been having issues with it for some time. It was bad enough that I couldn't get good dump(8)s of the file system for quite a while and running stuff like that made it more unstable. I did manual backups periodically of files that were more important, but of course, it failed right before I was due to make backups but after I had made a few changes earlier in the week. Once I recover all I can, I'll go spend another whopping $20 on a few gig of flash at Fry's. Right now, I'm net booting the sick little box in question. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 08:27:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C424F106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjs@rakupottery.org.uk) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABEE8FC19 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mjs@rakupottery.org.uk) Received: from rakuman.demon.co.uk ([80.177.154.53] helo=rakuba.rakupottery.org.uk) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MXaZm-0000IM-bd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:54:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4A758C72.10405@rakupottery.org.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:54:10 +0100 From: Martin Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> In-Reply-To: <20090802111651.5b7cca9b@bobcat.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD & IBM Thinkpad - What Model to Choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:27:27 -0000 herbert langhans wrote: > Hi Daemons, > I bet there are FreeBSD-on-Thinkpad users out there. I need some help.. > > At the moment I search for a laptop, a used model from auction sites, preferably an IBM Thinkpad. There is a huge number of different models, even a Wiki with all the specs. But all the info doesn't help me to decide what model works best for me with FreeBSD. I also have no idea if the BSD drivers work out of the box. No dual boot required - I'll dump the Windows stuff. > > The model I search for is a cheap low-end type. Small harddisk is fine too, it even can be slow - I use mostly vim, fluxbox, a few small gtk-ports and even get by with a text browser like lynx. > > Otherwise I would really reqire the Thinkpad to be slim and have some kind of low power consumption (this depends on the kind of processor I guess - I have no clue what processor is a good choice). And an opportunity to use a PCMCIA-Card for a Wifi connection (and drivers for them!). > > Do you have any good/bad experiences with certain IBM Thinkpads? > Is there any special model (line) I should look for? > Are there any options I should look for or avoid (no BSD drivers available i.e)? I run stable and current on an X23, which is abt 866Mhz P3 with 640Mb ram, it is remarkably fast for it's spec, it will run gnome but is best with windowmaker. Also very easy to swap the hd over, takes just over one minute. It has one pcmcia slot in which I have a TP-LINK cheapo atheros based wireless card, works very well on stable, not with current, but I still expect it to eventually. Highly recommended. -- Martin From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 09:24:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6BB106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=45977aac7=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz2.oekb.co.at (mgaterz2.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E548FC1C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=45977aac7=a@jenisch.at) Received: from exchh1.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.20]) by mgaterz2.oekb.co.at with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 Received: from vsrv33.oekb.co.at (143.245.2.59) by exchh1.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.358.0; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 Received: from MAIL1.oekb.co.at ([143.245.2.187]) by vsrv33.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at ([143.245.9.16]) by MAIL1.oekb.co.at with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n738tGRh002595 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n738tGKr002594 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:16 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090803085516.GA1270@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 08:55:16.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[1EE93110:01CA1418] Cc: Subject: NFS performance-tuning FreeBSD <-> NetApp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:24:46 -0000 Hi, I've got a FreeBSD 7.2 box (HP C-class Blade - AMD dual core Opteron (x64), 4GB RAM, Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5706) that should be connected to a NetApp 3170 filer via NFS. Out of the box, with nothing tuned (no special parameters for mount_nfs, no kernel tuning), performance is very sluggish: I've got ~250Mbit/sec performance with peaks around 400Mbit/sec. Sure enough, neither CPU (server and NetApp) nor network performance is the problem here - it must be something NFS-related. Any ideas on how to increas my NFS-performance? (Special mount parameters, kernel tuning,...) Thanks in advance for any clue, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 09:36:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1A6106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672978FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:36:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MXtxa-00029P-KA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: <24787848.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: sailer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: sailer.shen@gmail.com Subject: "ioctl (SIOCIPFL6): input/output error." when start ipfilter at freebsd 7.2 x64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:36:03 -0000 This is my freebsd 7.2: [code] FreeBSD fbsd.test.com 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Aug 3 06:40:56 UTC 2009 root@vfbsd.shstorm.com:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/kernel_IPF amd64 [/code] In kenrel_IPF, I add these lines: [code] options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG [/code] Add these lines in /etc/rc.conf: [code] ipfilter_enable="YES" ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf" ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules" ipfilter_flags="-D" ipmon_enable="YES" ipmon_flags="-D /var/log/ipfilter.log" [/code] This is /etc/ipf.rules: [code] pass out quick on lo0 all pass in quick on lo0 all block in on re0 all block out on re0 all block in log quick all with short block in log quick all with ipopts block in log quick all with frag block in log quick all with opt lsrr block in log quick all with opt ssrr pass in on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 80 flags S/SA keep state pass in on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = 22 flags S/SA keep state pass in on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = ftp flags S/SA keep state pass in on re0 proto tcp from any to any port = ftp-data flags S/SA keep state pass in on re0 proto tcp from any to any port 30000 >< 50001 flags S/SA keep state [/code] When start system, it shows some error messages: [code] ...... Enabling ipfilter ioctl (SIOCIPFL6): input/output error. ...... [/code] Who can help me? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/%22ioctl-%28SIOCIPFL6%29%3A-input-output-error.%22-when-start-ipfilter-at-freebsd-7.2-x64-tp24787848p24787848.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 09:50:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944FD106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523808FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MXuBk-0006Hm-Ok for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:50:43 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MXuBk-0001Bg-03 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:50:40 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n739odx3078731 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:50:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n739odDO078726 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:50:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:50:39 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090803095039.GA67498@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: printing to password protected network printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:50:44 -0000 I've Canon iRC5185i network printer in my department, which is accessed with a username and a password. After reading chapter 9, printing, of the handbook, I still cannot see how passing a username and a password to a network printer can be done. Any advice? many thanks -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 09:53:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAF0106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.riegler@cbtl.de) Received: from mail.cbt-l.de (host-62-245-168-234.customer.m-online.net [62.245.168.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D46EF8FC1C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w.riegler@cbtl.de) Received: (qmail 74937 invoked by uid 1009); 3 Aug 2009 09:53:24 -0000 Received: from 192.168.40.46 by mail.cbt-l.de (envelope-from , uid 1008) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.95.1/9216. spamassassin: 3.1.8. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 10:13:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4851065675 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8888D8FC16 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1233177fxm.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.102.228.10 with SMTP id a10mr1930253muh.81.1249294412379; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ROOT (port-103-adslby-pool46.infonet.by [81.25.46.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm39424706mug.40.2009.08.03.03.13.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:13:40 +0300 From: Anton X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.01) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1815694960.20090803131340@sng.by> To: "Gary Gatten" In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2AB@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2AB@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Analyze load of the channel to Internet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Anton List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:13:34 -0000 Hello Gary, Due to what I've read about ntop - it is not really what I need. I dont have any Cisco routers, nor switches with port-mirroring - so I c= ould not collect any traffic. I have only 2 freebsd routers - and need to k= now - when the outgoing channel of first gets overflowed and I need to redi= rect outgoing traffic to second Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:55:00 AM, you wrote: > almost any NIC / OS will support SNMP MIB-II counter= s, which includes octets Tx and Rx. MANY tools available for "getting" snmp= mib values. If you want util AND details on IP, ports, etc. - ch= eck out nTop.org ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun Aug 02 15:08:38 2009 Subject: Analyze load of the channel to Internet Hello everybody... Need to view and get real-time reporting of outgoing= channel to Internet? I think, that this is may be realized by means of ip= fw (e.g. - get counters of count rules for Internet and divide them to time,= which passed between analyzing) But, maybe, there is an utility, to which I can comm= unicate (or which could analyze) my outgoing channel to Internet - and repor= t me (mean some redirection script) when an outgoing channel gets ov= erflowed, and I need to redirect all other outgoing traffic to another chann= el. I would like to clear: I have to channels for Intern= et, meaned for gaming club - but I don't have enough finance to afford buy= ing some Cisco device and this 2 channel are 512 kilobits and 768 kilobits= of outgoing traffic Please, help _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list [1]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-= unsubscribe@freebsd.org" "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the i= ntended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or con= fidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified t= hat any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and= its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this= email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and d= elete this email from your system." -- Best regards, Anton &nbs= p; [2]mailto:anton@sng.by Administrator Feel free to contact me via ICQ 363780596 via Skype dobryak47 via phone +375 29 3320987 References 1. 3D"http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freeb= 2. 3D"mailto:anton@sng.by" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 11:14:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBCD10658EE for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554238FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MXvVB-0003Tm-1u; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:14:52 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MXvVA-0002P0-9H; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:14:48 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n73BEmHM097067; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:14:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n73BElfK097066; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:14:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:14:47 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Anton Shterenlikht Message-ID: <20090803111447.GA94755@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20090803095039.GA67498@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090803095039.GA67498@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 X-Spam-Level: -- Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Partially SOLVED: Re: printing to password protected network printer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:15:04 -0000 On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 10:50:39AM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I've Canon iRC5185i network printer in my department, > which is accessed with a username and a password. > After reading chapter 9, printing, of the handbook, > I still cannot see how passing a username and a password > to a network printer can be done. It trurned out this printer is set up to accept direct HTTP connections, so I can print easily via web interface. LPD is disabled on this printer by the printer administrator, but SMB is allowed, so I think printing via apsfilter is also possible. In addition NetWare and AppleTalk can be configured on that printer, but I'm not sure if it helps printing from FreeBSD. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 11:29:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0541065697 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from srv0010.pine.nl (srv0010.pine.nl [213.156.9.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB358FC65 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A57580F40 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:28:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pine.nl Received: from srv0010.pine.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv0010.pine.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id uPWmg6wwFit9 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fileserver.pine.nl (unknown [77.163.240.244]) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E026580E00 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freelt.pine.nl (unknown [172.16.0.46]) by fileserver.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792DC130EA4 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:28:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:28:15 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:29:25 -0000 I'm looking into running ftps for my webhosting server. But the ftpd of BSD seems incapable of doing so. Are there plans to implement this, or am I overlooking something? I'm aware of the fact that I can run a ftp server from ports to do this, but I would like to keep it as simple as possible. -- F From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 11:48:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D21D106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from srv0010.pine.nl (srv0010.pine.nl [213.156.9.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC658FC19 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0E0583132 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:48:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pine.nl Received: from srv0010.pine.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv0010.pine.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hdb+GeaJ9AyM for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fileserver.pine.nl (unknown [77.163.240.244]) by srv0010.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD09580C5B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freelt.pine.nl (unknown [172.16.0.46]) by fileserver.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5F6130EA4 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:48:33 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:48:40 -0000 Odhiambo ワシントン wrote: > What is ftps? # grep ftps /etc/services ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL ftps-data 989/udp ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL ftps 990/udp From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698D010658C5 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:03:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B37C8FC13 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2259711bwz.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:03:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=rwtlzRMaw5ZinF6ermNdMty7be0QQCmMawKSo8jCPSQ=; b=PQu/qrTR1sVk4X2Q2eH6S/SFmD78WdM9TZAyhB8YnvnCZKYOJSMJpkNZqksN17e4y+ AqMYWNY7+A4fazZzl99TUoLfEdjREliPK+30z3KKXMJL8fU7bzTUTeVuJqGWeAmAK1Ob saVbxlNyrBOtC3A5/fyjSGF7yu8a0XIPZxUg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=oHJtjvOZlnxacBJbj3FXYvoTdM3nfq+zCfKE8Y6FTQ41ZRr0VF/VGFUlFsIv+GwosR xp/bbjmP31MPNDe/ipLOlrXn0xWrjVHzhYPc/Evtf6YV+dJcNMpyl/vZXNaESsho7Ipv dT/Nnmi7oslCwM9WJz/auoJn0qNpoLWegySOI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.15 with SMTP id e15mr8161774bko.196.1249300998308; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:03:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:02:58 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> To: Frederique Rijsdijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:03:41 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > Odhiambo =E3=83=AF=E3=82=B7=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=83=B3 wrote: > > What is ftps? > > # grep ftps /etc/services > ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL > ftps-data 989/udp > ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL > ftps 990/udp > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. I am wondering if it can do this. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:07:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DD61065691 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD748FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2261423bwz.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:06:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=t8Tr2RK99e3501eIQFLSQfCa5MqUbq/jlQ9/3WX6N4A=; b=BPG1ZYIBjmjCQ+WNLX6mEMHkD9AQsYfurCUf9B4lvlR0yRFGDOOZqTgPE6GEPEC23J XT1RDzuLcPRFpoDX2BCl/2Eppud1sxnJqRalEKqVYOrc4qAS58l+mEXf82VJUiuDTwDe FTLOSSRkA8FNxGVRwZ/ysZ6FVLl4D1gpwbnhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=YSw81nSBHNAgTSN440rI978WnCskGfbZWEYR6KDEft5zeRdamcm8diRSmt/76iJ9NC jb71D7V3SABpKc2G5DSdtpAWpp2dZzoBOyrV1rAD4R8CAhBcTMaYZzRKVK99YtbiXouc y72dJngJf8Yj8tGeUF267PAWFAMwTAvok+EF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.138 with SMTP id v10mr5457236bkq.40.1249299295159; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:34:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:34:35 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> To: Frederique Rijsdijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:07:02 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > I'm looking into running ftps for my webhosting server. But the ftpd of > BSD seems incapable of doing so. > > Are there plans to implement this, or am I overlooking something? > > I'm aware of the fact that I can run a ftp server from ports to do this, > but I would like to keep it as simple as possible. > What is ftps? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:25:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E44106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristiano.deana@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8490F8FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristiano.deana@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1068738fge.12 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o9i2Kd9hlkDos5MnNzSgUeMdWsPxiwQVdKMwgT/JwNE=; b=Bz9TeUOrK6/vhiswkMJ3lqJm9Jt3SCI9G41atTFa99z65erO+RaAqWLoBU5H7MMLqs WzsFk9pYajtePbKhrIZjg5cqvAyXN41t0TIHF5vnYW9B+ohnRVcGDdcXoQX7B2KeEg3/ yO5x7G3CRrXW/NHkEty8ijcJYotgl3Y+rRuy4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QqeeIosxEqxtFt7Mpn9ZYicluIEn/p4WbY60zyB/m0EzQSjRpxXLsWWyLYT3GlW3kC 1KOUbRyy4Gl0sY86Ab8MppTyVggMw1UpUD5zs2AxjN5PUOQ8btwuaDXWaFq2i63htS4D a203Ko4qX3RYqQYIljjugvTI/s/IAbkgi4hJk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.61.9 with SMTP id j9mr2138856fga.39.1249300567396; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:56:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:56:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: Cristiano Deana To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:25:27 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: > I'm looking into running ftps for my webhosting server. But the ftpd of > BSD seems incapable of doing so. you can use sftp (ftp over ssh): sshd_config(5) sftp(1) -- Cris, member of G.U.F.I Italian FreeBSD User Group http://www.gufi.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:26:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391A210656DB for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D418FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so4361390ywh.27 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AUqPr4UeYdGnSqfhNvxOKJtNwaiAXzzlfcxksePbUyI=; b=FrQBwH6Nv3OHUqlSI3yvVUCMOrv0+RkAH5GZI+oT+g92QHlMayfgBjdoypS0PU1xa+ jXvtAXxi9sF96qqFPw1azqMJGtKHqRtGUmv6FgTnHZ0z58c++K3tEs9Me8gxowq8/M0j flzihu4kn0qtDDFQS7jdy9wvlw241p6CuaR9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=md3SdsZ+jgWcTwxz+Fnl00d+OcDKXYVTUsEeCohJqUfBE/qRndPf3x7pUvH335ZDZN qcH0ziIk+AmWlVsVtdxM9Fj3fzN3NR/39OvJrr+9kWdDXaInql9INuUu1BpvYEDKdkYo ob5VniKQ7bbgEg71A/g4ISIugfO5Tflhie2Mk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.177.20 with SMTP id z20mt15693617ybe.301.1249302392385; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:26:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:26:33 -0000 2009/8/3 Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B : > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < > frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > >> Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B wrote: >> > What is ftps? >> >> # grep ftps /etc/services >> ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL >> ftps-data 989/udp >> ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL >> ftps 990/udp >> > > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. > > I am wondering if it can do this. I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." > -- Lucky Dube > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:31:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B41065673 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from srv0007.pine.nl (srv0007.pine.nl [213.156.9.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3654D8FC1E for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frederique@isafeelin.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv0007.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871E750823F for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pine.nl Received: from srv0007.pine.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv0007.pine.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SaNibD4252Lk for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fileserver.pine.nl (unknown [77.163.240.244]) by srv0007.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E16508220 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freelt.pine.nl (unknown [172.16.0.46]) by fileserver.pine.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4785130EA4 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A76D89D.6090308@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:31:25 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090701) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:31:30 -0000 Neal Hogan wrote: > I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could > explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. Encryption! -- Frederique From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:33:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626761065689 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [62.220.235.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147028FC1C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6046A1CC9D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:33:50 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id riSOjQK4uCD2; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:33:48 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a88-114-134-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.134.146]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BD271CC76; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:33:48 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: From: "Reko Turja" To: "Neal Hogan" References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org><991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com><4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org><991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:34:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-2022-JP"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:33:59 -0000 >> pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. >> >> I am wondering if it can do this. >=20 > I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could > explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. Plain old FTP transfers username/password pairs in plaintext over the = internet, as well as the actual content, which is a security hole. sftp = - the file transfer protocol included in SSH suite has been more than = adequate replacement for my needs as the traffic is encrypted and there = is no need for firewall trickery in order to get the separate = data/control connections going. Said that, I'd just use sftp, there are free text based and graphical = clients available and for the end user it handles just like regular ftp, = with added bonuses like using keys for authentication etc. -Reko From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:40:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BE8106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5668FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n73CSPLO070886; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:28:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20090731085553.461f73be.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731114711.49d94196.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731170422.0574fef5.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731221532.ab004d5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731205636.GB44613@kokopelli.hydra> <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Chad Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:40:43 -0000 On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:56:36 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >>> Firefox even seems to lack a key to quit the program. :-) >> >> That's easy. Just press + and it'll close Firefox >> immediately. > > Negative for firefox-2.0.0.12,1 (on my desktop system) - no Ctrl+Q. :-) Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:43:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0701F106568A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1C88FC1E for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:43:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so4373532ywh.27 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NDYJWGVdGXEscx4yO7QZSo0b4CjbXXhKpvkseIFbsVM=; b=hg2PvaH+FIjjT52oQkrWs/wq9fJj0OPc0wrcsJSBTtCSrfX8h/pSYh6Ko2+sTLyfUn 5hs/vJ5LB8jR8em62jWJnFaUJQHVexZ6j+v9ILuFJCoKHjXhw9ocY9qhBFUG3wRWESXf rk5kMX+HRSXRASxgGmJPcmfrV94tJLHgiLXoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DmYuT3XJaSkrEbFba+ru/NP6V+8hk7VRwgU4S79HOo0mz8F27Q6y3I/HD8hLuxAenO nrpdeZ0N4aIdDoAG6HU6ILBFXZv4hb+Gw1Nne99fBplyFivafTH0viQbw5QCY648Elc3 eEgxMyab6as9Yr86FMh7JyDxCdFe1upe37Wlo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.14.5 with SMTP id r5mr9125304ybi.299.1249303436073; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A76D89D.6090308@isafeelin.org> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <4A76D89D.6090308@isafeelin.org> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:43:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Frederique Rijsdijk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:43:57 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: > Neal Hogan wrote: >> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could >> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. > > > Encryption! OK! (If I just said that I wanted to run something like 'xyzs', would that be clear to you?) www.openssh.org > > > -- Frederique > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:48:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C61D1065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5988FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (207.112-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.112.207]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n73CpgSA068520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:51:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A76DCA2.6020204@unsane.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:48:34 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2AB@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <1815694960.20090803131340@sng.by> In-Reply-To: <1815694960.20090803131340@sng.by> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Analyze load of the channel to Internet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:48:44 -0000 Anton wrote: > Hello Gary, > > Due to what I've read about ntop - it is not really what I need. > > I dont have any Cisco routers, nor switches with port-mirroring - so I > c=uld not collect any traffic. I have only 2 freebsd routers - and > need to k=ow - when the outgoing channel of first gets overflowed > and I need to redi=ect outgoing traffic to second Freebsd comes with bsnmp or if you prefer ports try net-snmp from ports, these will let you query the snmp OID's mentioned. I use a little perl script to query them and graph them myself for my home router. If you dont like snmp for some reason, putting something together using netstat shouldnt be too hard. For example (12:45:12 <~>) 0 # netstat -b -f inet -I fxp1 Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Ibytes Opkts Oerrs Obytes Coll fxp1 1500 10.0.0.0/25 intgate 806889 - 118190683 1247743 - 1621177480 - (excuse word wrap but it shouldnt be too hard to work out) running this every minute from cron would make it easy to grab the in (Ibytes) or out (Obytes) traffc and perform actions accordingly. very quick and dirty example: -------------cut-------------------- #!/bin/sh IFNAME="fxp0" OLDIN=$(netstat -b -I $IFNAME | awk '/Link/{print $7}') OLDOUT=$(netstat -b -I $IFNAME | awk '/Link/{print $10}') sleep 10 NEWIN=$(netstat -b -I $IFNAME | awk '/Link/{print $7}') NEWOUT=$(netstat -b -I $IFNAME | awk '/Link/{print $10}') INBPS=$(echo "( $NEWIN - $OLDIN ) / 10 " | bc ) OUTBPS=$(echo "( $NEWOUT - $OLDOUT ) / 10 " | bc ) echo "$IFNAME is doing $INBPS bytes a second inbound" echo "$IFNAME is doing $OUTBPS bytes a second outbound" --------------cut---------------------------- sample output: (13:50:09 <~>) 0 # sh foo.sh fxp0 is doing 1247 bytes a second inbound fxp0 is doing 51175 bytes a second outbound Vince > > Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:55:00 AM, you wrote: > > > > > almost any NIC / OS will support SNMP MIB-II counter=, which > includes octets Tx and Rx. MANY tools available for "getting" snmp mib values. > > If you want util AND details on IP, ports, etc. - ch=ck out nTop.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Sent: Sun Aug 02 15:08:38 2009 > > Subject: Analyze load of the channel to Internet > > Hello everybody... > > Need to view and get real-time reporting of outgoing=hannel to > Internet? > > I think, that this is may be realized by means of ip=w (e.g. - get > counters > > of count rules for Internet and divide them to time,=hich passed > between > > analyzing) > > But, maybe, there is an utility, to which I can comm=nicate (or > which could > > analyze) my outgoing channel to Internet - and repor= me (mean some > > redirection script) when an outgoing channel gets ov=rflowed, and I > need to > > redirect all other outgoing traffic to another chann=l. > > I would like to clear: I have to channels for Intern=t, meaned for > gaming > > club - but I don't have enough finance to afford buy=ng some Cisco > device > > and this 2 channel are 512 kilobits and 768 kilobits=f outgoing > traffic > > Please, help > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > [1]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the i=tended > recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or con fidential. 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If > you have received this=mail in error, please immediately notify the > sender by return email and d=lete this email from your system." > > -- > > Best regards, > > Anton &nbs=; [2]mailto:anton@sng.by > > Administrator > > Feel free to contact me > > via ICQ 363780596 > > via Skype dobryak47 > > via phone +375 29 3320987 > > References > > 1. 3D"http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freeb 2. 3D"mailto:anton@sng.by" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 12:58:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD4C106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C378FC1A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E04DEB53B9; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:03 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29394509B; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:02 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qu8lAZgfcoSn; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl48-68.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.175.68]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0F845088; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n73Cw1bq040821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n73Cw032040820; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:58:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: fbsd@dannysplace.net References: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:58:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> (Danny Carroll's message of "Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:22:37 +1000") Message-ID: <87prbddpgn.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:58:05 -0000 On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:22:37 +1000, Danny Carroll wrote: > I've added the following to the default sendmail mc file: > > MASQUERADE_AS(`mypublicdomain.com')dnl > FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl > MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(beasie.lan)dnl > > Recompiled the cf files and restarted sendmail. > > Here is the kicker. If I log in as a normal user it masquerades just > fine. > > If I simply "su -" to root, the masquerading works fine and the mail is > sent as the original logged in user. > > But if I log in as root via the console then it does not alter the messages. The `root' user is excluded from masquerading since 8.10. The `generic.m4' domain configuration file includes: keramida@kobe:/usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain$ fgrep EXPOSE generic.m4 EXPOSED_USER(`root') keramida@kobe:/usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain$ You can copy this file and remove the EXPOSED_USER line. Or you can edit `generic.m4' directly. If you go the copy route, make sure to check for updates in `generic.m4' whenever you installworld, and merge the changes to your domain specific configuration file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 13:13:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8308F1065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547DA8FC22 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n73DDY3n006930; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 14C4C73EE7; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFFA73EEE; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:33 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:32 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2AD@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re[2]: Analyze load of the channel to Internet Thread-Index: AcoUIxUUnwhg5LvMS2C8e0EVr5SNkQAGR3AL From: "Gary Gatten" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 13:13:33.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[33E66190:01CA143C] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: Analyze load of the channel to Internet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 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SEN Organization: EnderUNIX X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <354200908.20090803165208@enderunix.org> To: Ewald Jenisch In-Reply-To: <20090803085516.GA1270@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20090803085516.GA1270@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS performance-tuning FreeBSD <-> NetApp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:20:57 -0000 Merhaba Ewald, You can read http://communities.netapp.com/thread/39 thread. There is speci= al mount options for Linux and also for FreeBSD give it a try. Regards. Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:55:16 AM, you wrote: > Hi, > I've got a FreeBSD 7.2 box (HP C-class Blade - AMD dual core Opteron > (x64), 4GB RAM, Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5706) that should be > connected to a NetApp 3170 filer via NFS. > Out of the box, with nothing tuned (no special parameters for > mount_nfs, no kernel tuning), performance is very sluggish: I've got > ~250Mbit/sec performance with peaks around 400Mbit/sec. > Sure enough, neither CPU (server and NetApp) nor network performance > is the problem here - it must be something NFS-related. > Any ideas on how to increas my NFS-performance? (Special mount > parameters, kernel tuning,...) > Thanks in advance for any clue, > -ewald > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Best regards, Omer mailto:ofsen@enderunix.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 14:58:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDDE106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199358FC2B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:58:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KNT00FY92Y8UV21@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:58:57 -0000 Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that files will not be overwritten? -- Hervé Kempf: "Pour sauver la planète, sortez du capitalisme." ------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Jourdan --- pj@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 17:05:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61380106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B788FC16 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB1310084A2 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S+6J+KwY0Z2G for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E771008497 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Gustafson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [128.114.49.22] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL5_64) Subject: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:05:52 -0000 Hi, I was wondering if there was a plan or time line in place to support ZFS boot partitions in the installer. I Googled around a bit and found some how-to documents for setting it up in a hacky kind of way, but the impression I got is that support for ZFS partitions is coming to the installer in perhaps 7.3 or 8.0, and I wanted to confirm or dispel that myth before I go forward using the hacky method. Thanks! Tim Gustafson Baskin School of Engineering UC Santa Cruz tjg@soe.ucsc.edu 831-459-5354 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 17:23:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEB81065672 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76B948FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 91166 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2009 17:23:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249320215; bh=5j7PXdcgALeqzmz7qnZ86Owwsa5ltdpm6Np/pOJVnwM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5u8bbvsPfurjulrDKuRKjAhNJBC3Imh3qapcFkuKNT7CHgriyixtdcvlDGnw7kUCaE3I5vmB+qZ9tyVxYXM/V1GvKrp3ItkUr9bVaIim94pBf1JKYzBtX1A+/v5UXPj3vW+LkCX9rtYdFn7fbBeH1WcjQGU0n+TZQDKQYxcrvk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ua2ysE7zarZsWUM60SQQUz7Oz3jZUuV3vGc/akA3uXLzfIBxYwaCXVzagqaxNZp6+LmrSjIng20ueW2VepuiPdl3cTfrk0L6eGypq1eDNZRa0fuFjXx9iluUNG7uRBEVthFUl4PbwtY+y66MTWP7oJZUSGcVorv/mDVVLPh+Sso=; Message-ID: <836728.90176.qm@web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FWAoxskVM1lZuV9XPiGe7QYTdsITJgsEnCIw0oOt_cAB_RruxK1XKwTTteDW7RRxaZAkoe2X42MLoJnFLXsjNKbcmGyYREfeJHKLJapNbJKlPYhAn_Dc8uX7CmecP.Sbli57tTR_hc.IFje_vYMnZ2H0sHhOUDNbA1c5P1STkQPdh1Y8.TAzl10VUw97hvfg13t1htseTtZaFIj_DK7r3FzvYefg7Z336oGULzE2qRUhTjbbIXljC7eneGtxU78dcKqsHeY47PVZvCART.DcJ3liPB7kRADWDnLITXsMtDI5h0nwDLamGK93wGoDJBgALNxHLxPVLLcN84OdiVbcFm1h.Uwn3DhbAmrKf3M- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:23:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090803064935.341861065674@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Sony PRS-505 Reader and camcontrol load problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:23:37 -0000 I like to blame things like that on DRM. Proving it is the tricky part.=0Ah= ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagicGate=0A=0AThe Wikipedia article says the S= ony Portable e-Reader PRS-500 did not support MagicGate, but future support= is possible through a firmware update.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AJames=0A=0A> Dat= e: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:52:31 +0400=0A> From: Andrei Crivoi =0A> Subject: Sony PRS-505 Reader and camcontrol load problem=0A> T= o: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID:=0A> =A0=A0=A0 <332c55d6090= 8020552h4b89e7d5y97e4c8b29f313cd6@mail.gmail.com>=0A> Content-Type: text/pl= ain; charset=3DISO-8859-1=0A> =0A> Hi gaise,=0A> i'm trying to mount a memo= ry stick card on my Sony Portable=0A> Reader PRS-505=0A> device and constan= tly getting the "Error received from=0A> start unit command"=0A> message wh= en issuing "camcontrol load" command.=0A> Here is the full log:=0A> =0A> [r= oot@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol rescan all=0A> Re-scan of bus 0 was= successful=0A> Re-scan of bus 1 was successful=0A> =0A> [root@morbo /usr/h= ome/andrei]# camcontrol devlist=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =0A> =A0 =A0=A0=A0at scbus1 target 0 lun 0=0A> (pass0,da0)=0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 at scbus1 target 0 lun 1 (pass1,da1)= =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=0A> =A0 at scbus1 target 0 lu= n 2 (pass2,da2)=0A> =0A> [root@morbo /usr/home/andrei]# camcontrol load 1:0= :1=0A> Error received from start unit command=0A> =0A> The most interesting= fact - 'camcontrol format' somehow=0A> saves the situation:=0A> =0A =0A=0A= =0A __________________________________________________________________= =0ALooking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! =0A=0Ahttp://www.= flickr.com/gift/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 18:29:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC841065670 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B4D8FC34 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3066764ewy.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LPkbdVlHbpDMd1BpA4F9UOX1BZjn/Dho7nmHrFFwoMw=; b=aGCXlbhsIMDckGbqCV9C06oUdjxcgcZJvi9jmc+MgXe3vtbuGTL5oNEV1N6mxIYCbE obsJkGX0znUvLIfgZP853hrk9uSG5YCL/2l/WENDLAawMBCKwsjI6KiB/UWsU7VBYSZ+ MgVXzQNWz37KCb5Piuie60wB5HGs0HFxLaJ0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TfHMqruxFq3TkiBS3KV5MXU9c9Vco3t8DTrd+HtGxHhW0NsQ1MwfBq1/D2xiHRkZHy SqzXbYdnpFbtungAlOvT8Tr5vFndnz8OKCOY+hpNbAA/edAEg5VgChLEhuQHfy0cpGz5 y7MtUbjFtl4PHUQwvYpLosqltDrlFvJv0hkCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.137.14 with SMTP id p14mr7556071ebn.70.1249324163787; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:29:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:29:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Microvision ROV scanner and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:29:27 -0000 All, I just purchased one of the units mentioned in the subject line (http://www.microvision.com/store/ROV-Scanner-p-1.html), and want to use it under FreeBSD. See this link: http://www.microvision.com/store/ROV-Scanner-p-1.html I've found a couple of packages that might work, but either don't see them in the ports tree, or don't know if they support batch downloading from a scanner: Alexandria http://alexadria.rubyforge.org datacrow http://www.datacrow.net Koha http://koha.org Open-ILS http://open-ils.org Has anyone on this list worked with this scanner, or will this be a rather complete learning experience? Thanks, Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 18:54:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302701065672 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76FA8FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n73IsTD9063320; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:54:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F27D2BA89; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:54:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:54:28 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Kurt Buff Message-ID: <20090803185428.GA84019@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Microvision ROV scanner and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:54:31 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:29:23AM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > All, >=20 > I just purchased one of the units mentioned in the subject line > (http://www.microvision.com/store/ROV-Scanner-p-1.html), and want to > use it under FreeBSD. According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BarcodeReaders it can work as a virtual USB keyboard. 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([209.249.190.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k35sm11367132waf.64.2009.08.03.11.47.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Steven Kreuzer Message-Id: <2CD8BD68-D656-4215-AEE8-A46C6B4983B3@exit2shell.com> From: Steven Kreuzer To: Ewald Jenisch In-Reply-To: <20090803085516.GA1270@aurora.oekb.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:47:26 -0400 References: <20090803085516.GA1270@aurora.oekb.co.at> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS performance-tuning FreeBSD <-> NetApp X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:13:14 -0000 On Aug 3, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Ewald Jenisch wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a FreeBSD 7.2 box (HP C-class Blade - AMD dual core Opteron > (x64), 4GB RAM, Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5706) that should be > connected to a NetApp 3170 filer via NFS. > > Out of the box, with nothing tuned (no special parameters for > mount_nfs, no kernel tuning), performance is very sluggish: I've got > ~250Mbit/sec performance with peaks around 400Mbit/sec. > > Sure enough, neither CPU (server and NetApp) nor network performance > is the problem here - it must be something NFS-related. > > Any ideas on how to increas my NFS-performance? (Special mount > parameters, kernel tuning,...) I would suggest bumping the read and write sizes to 32K and using tcp instead of udp If you have very large directories, you can also see an increase in "responsiveness" by enabling readdirplus as well, but that wont help with raw throughput. Try passing the following parameters to mount and see if performance is any better -r=32768 -w=32768 -l -T -- Steven Kreuzer http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 19:16:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A115106566B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AAE8FC13 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.com) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n73JGOV0024330 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:16:24 -0400 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n73JGOZb024329; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:16:24 -0400 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 4F926B7EA; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <4A6A72A6.1030009@ibctech.ca> (message from Steve Bertrand on Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:49:10 -0400) Organization: Oasis Systems Inc. X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Oasis. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 Message-Id: <20090803191228.4F926B7EA@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: A question for developers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:16:26 -0000 >> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:49:10 -0400, >> Steve Bertrand said: S> I'm looking for a new editor. [...] In the last few weeks, I've been S> leaning toward vim. If you've read this far, then I very much welcome S> your feedback. If you're a VIM fan, here are a few examples of what you can do with it: http://www.hcst.net/~vogelke/src/editors/vim/vimrc/ -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Chemists wash their hands BEFORE they go to the bathroom. --Tim Thompson, System Administrator/Chemist From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 19:44:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9554A1065680 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F178FC21 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39071DD9C; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:44:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n73JiQMF002446; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:44:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:44:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Allen Message-Id: <20090803214425.58580308.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0908011421x3142425fm69eef6df8ebf4309@mail.gmail.com> References: <2daa8b4e0908011421x3142425fm69eef6df8ebf4309@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual Installations on Flash Media X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:44:34 -0000 On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:21:02 -0700, David Allen wrote: > I need to create a FreeBSD installation on an SSD drive (connected via a > USB adaptor), and would like to do so manually so as to avoid the use of > an installation CD, PXE or sysinstall. > > 1. Would a device alphabetical order (as used by bsdlabel) work? I think it's no problem. My /etc/fstab looks that way: /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > 2. I don't expect the system to swap, so can I dispense with a swap entry > and have everything function normally (no error messages, etc.)? I don't know how to "expect" swapping. As far as I understood, the system decides by itself if to write data to / read data from the swap file. I'm not sure if you can omit it. > 3. Will adding `noatime' to / or any other filesystem have any > consequences? Yes. The access time for files won't be recorded. Using the noatime option is often advised for the use with SSD media, so is ANY advice that helps to minimize read / write cycles in order to increase the life time of the media. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 19:53:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B109310656C6 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732638FC0A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCF01DD4C; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:53:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n73JrJ5O002469; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:53:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:53:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:53:27 -0000 On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400, PJ wrote: > Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would > overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that > files will not be overwritten? I'm not sure how to explain. It's possible that sysinstall recreated the slices and paritions, or at least the partitions were marked as to be formatted ("Y" after the file system type in the partition editor). Because I've never used the "Upgrade" functionality of sysinstall, I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 20:02:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD7B1065672 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diannesexy89@gmail.com) Received: from db.markerstudio.com (db.markerstudio.com [74.205.55.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026DF8FC26 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diannesexy89@gmail.com) Received: from 120196-DB ([127.0.0.1]) by db.markerstudio.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:54:13 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "diannesexy89@gmail.com" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: 4 Aug 2009 06:54:13 +1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Message-ID: <120196-DB5FTxERklW90000d486@db.markerstudio.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 18:54:13.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB319180:01CA146B] Subject: nappies.co.nz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:02:08 -0000 RGlzY292ZXIgaG93IHRob3VzYW5kcyBvZiBwZW9wbGUgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgcGFpZCBkYWls eSwganVzdCBieSByZWFkaW5nIHRoZSBhZHMgaW4gdGhlIGVtYWlsLiBXZSB3aWxsIHByb3Zp ZGUgeW91IHRoZSBsaXN0IG9mIDEwMDAncyBvZiBhZHZlcnRpc2luZyBjb21wYW5pZXMuIEp1 c3QgeW91IGhhdmUgdG8gcmVnaXN0ZXIgeW91cnNlbGYgd2l0aCB0aGUgY29tcGFuaWVzIGZv ciBmcmVlLiBUaGV5IGFyZSBmcmVlIHRvIGpvaW4uIE5vIG5lZWQgdG8gcGF5IGFueXRoaW5n IHRvIGpvaW4gd2l0aCB0aGVtLiBBZnRlciB5b3VyIHJlZ2lzdHJhdGlvbiwgdGhleSB3aWxs IHNlbmQgeW91IHRoZSBlbWFpbHMsIGp1c3QgeW91IGhhdmUgdG8gb3BlbiBhbmQgY2xpY2sg dGhlIGxpbmsgcHJvdmlkZWQgaW4gdGhlIG1haWwuIEluIHNvbWUgY2FzZSwgdGhleSB3aWxs IGFzayB5b3UgdG8gdmlzaXQgdGhlaXIgd2Vic2l0ZS4gRm9yIHRoaXMgbGl0dGxlIHdvcmss IHRoZXkgYXJlIGdpdmluZyBhIHZlcnkgZ29vZCBwYXltZW50IGZvciB5b3UuIFNlZSwgaG93 IGl0IGlzIHZlcnkgZWFzeSBqb2IuIElzIGl0IGhhcmRlciB0byB5b3U/Py4gQW55b25lIGNh biBkbyB0aGlzIGpvYiB3aXRoIGEgYmFzaWMgY29tcHV0ZXIgJiBpbnRlcm5ldCBrbm93bGVk Z2UuDQpZb3UgYXJlIGdldHRpbmcgcGFpZCBmb3IgdmlzaXRpbmcgdGhlaXIgd2Vic2l0ZSBv ciBjbGlja2luZyB0aGVpciBsaW5rLCBmb3IgdGhhdCB3ZWJzaXRlIG93bmVycyBhcmUgcHJv dmlkaW5nIHRoZSBtb25leSB0byB0aGUgYWR2ZXJ0aXNpbmcgd2Vic2l0ZXMgYW5kIHRoZXkg YXJlIHBheWluZyB5b3UuIA0KDQpZT1UgY2FuIGRvIGl0IHN0YXJ0aW5nIHJpZ2h0IHRoaXMg bWludXRlISEhDQoNCkpVU1QgVklTSVQgVEhJUyBTSVRFISEhDQpodHRwOi8vd2FwdXJsLmNv LnVrLz9aMERSQVdXIA0KDQpESUFOTkUNCg0KdG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUgcmVwbHkgUkVNT1ZF DQoNClRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgdmlzaXRpbmcgbXkgc2l0ZSENCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoN Cg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQo= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 20:17:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7F1065672 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:17:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com (mail-ew0-f214.google.com [209.85.219.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B788FC15 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so3333243ewy.37 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ow7IHCnsPj1wpPpBUmh9OHwPFjkcDI+W8mfCDAwOLA=; b=Wd0JQwRftfCBcWM/WylDYWziD2G1cICYdw204nL8m31dBzRSlW1rKyCkvRlD6lzVHD 4pincEezUTE44E+ZEm6RwwmiV/SC6ay4z+oCBezB/In2MQKyYmTDZ9qnN0t9iUdqHmtq OVjSHrIncdqhhQNOkPZVIr6vQPWcmbo3hlRaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HEcPWaHI7FPdPa07DVzAopftALbzkYYFigcLqxZ4pki0iKXwZYtOmEUt/ENYD9oVak L50+/ShtwEB82jduNzkZhgQnKbrSfigXt64HYj8lGd1q5dei83l22lgAoZglALXwlm4M 0neG7Yq/YtmyFVyARyrTWqUEYBvgteKKzZJ5M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.142.10 with SMTP id p10mr5676354ebd.43.1249330632585; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090803185428.GA84019@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090803185428.GA84019@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:17:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Microvision ROV scanner and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:17:15 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:54, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:29:23AM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: >> All, >> >> I just purchased one of the units mentioned in the subject line >> (http://www.microvision.com/store/ROV-Scanner-p-1.html), and want to >> use it under FreeBSD. > > According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BarcodeReaders it can > work as a virtual USB keyboard. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.xs4all.n= l/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 =C2=A0B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321= A725) Yeah, I'm looking at that, but it doesn't support batch use, just the equivalent of tethered use. Kinda negates the usefulness of the thing, I think. After a bit more searching, I see that there's a BlackBerry interface written in Java mentioned on the Microvision web site, but don't know what its capabilities are. I've also found a pay Java program called Readerware (http://www.readerware.com/rwJava2.html) that might be able to run under FreeBSD, but was hoping for something open source. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 20:34:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84453106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2801A8FC13 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 23642 invoked by uid 399); 3 Aug 2009 20:34:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foreign.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 3 Aug 2009 20:34:52 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4A7749E5.5050108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:34:45 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090729) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" References: <200907282158.43397.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A6FF497.5010808@FreeBSD.org> <4A709B81.5070905@FreeBSD.org> <4A70BE55.60405@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Don't know how to make /usr/ports/dns/bind96/work/.build.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:34:55 -0000 Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >>> The fact that the error occurs AT ALL is the bug and what is >>> counterintuitive, and many people would not think to try typing "make" >>> again, and instead would just assume the thing's broken. >> >> Ok, I actually misunderstood the problem that you were reporting. I >> thought that the reference to .build_done.bind96._usr_local indicated >> that the port had already been built once, but that is not the case. >> To reproduce the bug, you need to do the following: >> >> 1. Make sure there is nothing in /var/db/ports/bind96 >> 2. cd /usr/ports/dns/bind96 >> 3. make >> 4. Enable the "replace base" option >> 5. Save the config >> >> You will then see the following error: >> >> make: don't know how to make >> /usr/local/tmp/usr/local/ports/dns/bind96/work/.build_done.bind96._usr_local. >> >> Stop >> *** Error code 2 >> >> I think Mel is right that the problem is changing PREFIX, but that's >> the whole purpose of the option. >> >> Could you please open a PR about this with a subject something to the >> effect of "OPTIONS that change PREFIX cause an error after 'make >> config'" and describe how to reproduce this? > > Done, just got the mail from gnats: 137250. Looks good, thanks! Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 21:32:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72329106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from mail.vnode.se (mail.vnode.se [62.119.52.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F34C8FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from iMac.local (pgw.vnode.se [77.110.37.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07D50E9F42C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:16:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:16:16 +0200 From: Joel Dahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:32:04 -0000 Yesterday I noticed something weird with one of my mail servers (FreeBSD 7.2), which is located far away from me. At first I thought it was my mail client that was misbehaving since a couple of mails that I retrieved from the server looked...odd. Characters were missing, and the mail headers were sometimes (perhaps 1 out of 100 mails) sort of scrambled. This server isn't doing anything really useful, except handling a few mails every day. No load at all and it has been running for a few months without any problems. Anyway, after some time I realized that Thunderbird probably wasn't the problem. I discovered that ssh connections suddenly dropped (seems random) when I was connected to the server. Often with messages like: Received disconnect from x.x.x.x: 2: Bad packet length 3365265859. I tried to ping it and I constantly got 5-15% packet loss. The same symptoms are there if I connect to it from other places, so my home connection isn't the problem. I get 0 packet loss if I ping the gateway which the server is behind from my home connection. Anyway, while I was connected to the machine (and scratching my head) I did a csup from the server to fetch ports and other stuff, but that failed every time, with different messages: 1st try: Edit ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk Add delta 1.625 2009.08.03.15.36.58 miwi Edit ports/UPDATING Add delta 1.845 2009.08.03.19.08.48 dougb csup: inflate: invalid stored block lengths 2nd try: Edit ports/devel/libvc/Makefile Add delta 1.11 2009.08.02.19.33.28 mezz Edit ports/devel/libytnef/Makefile Add delta 1.6 2009.08.02.19.33.28 mezz Receiver: Protocol error 3rd try: Edit ports/devel/p5-threads-shared/distinfo Add delta 1.4 2009.07.22.17.25.14 pgollucci Edit ports/devel/p5-usb/pkg-plist Add delta 1.3 2009.07.30.23.04.41 pgollucci csup: inflate: invalid distance too far back Ok. So something is messed up. Checked my other server (located at the same place) to see if there were any problems (it is running VMware ESXI with 4 virtual machines, all running FreeBSD 7.2.), but all of the virtual hosts were fine. No packet loss, no ssh problems, no nothing. This server is connected to the same switch and behind the same gateway. So are also a bunch of Windows servers. None of them have any problems. Checked the logs on my mail server to see if there were anything weird...and the logs were filled with this: arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 x.x.x.x is my gateway which all my servers are behind. These messages started yesterday, about the same time that the problems appeared. Any ideas? :-) -- Joel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:16:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CD4106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818B68FC14 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27987E840; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:16:30 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:16:29 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:16:31 -0000 On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote: > 2009/8/3 Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B : > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < > > > > frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > >> Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B wrote: > >> > What is ftps? > >> > >> # grep ftps /etc/services > >> ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL > >> ftps-data 989/udp > >> ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL > >> ftps 990/udp > > > > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. > > > > I am wondering if it can do this. > > I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could > explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. When in doubt, use "she". :) -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:21:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD912106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14D8FC0C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA117E837; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:21:00 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:20:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> In-Reply-To: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908031421.00074.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:21:02 -0000 On Monday 03 August 2009 03:28:15 Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: > I'm looking into running ftps for my webhosting server. But the ftpd of > BSD seems incapable of doing so. > > Are there plans to implement this, or am I overlooking something? > > I'm aware of the fact that I can run a ftp server from ports to do this, > but I would like to keep it as simple as possible. O'Reilly's "Network security with OpenSSL" claims stunnel is capable of doing this. I guess it's similar to installing a port for the ftpd, except that you can just keep your old ftpd config, which is likely to be more elaborate then stunnel's. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:21:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5C7106568A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640AF8FC14 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:21:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by gxk17 with SMTP id 17so5620792gxk.19 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z6Y56X+GM0NaEUMeW/7NUcWihGrfiBvh/HT/Y4R0FFc=; b=b9Lx6O3nK+xCHcYdhSiJu/TBkynG0GvtVJaX2tUz+pc87osMBu+5cAvQ++JFgbKg+G WMllr+UmWJF73MzzHhhnEBfAlOcNmOpEBB2EUEjvayHNt4bf6YQX+VVcFxJbLL4viq9t k58gyMY1pD4X1CQDTUCUe8EcHX5BnoGwnPtVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rhbVH4sRqYxtVkf1n8NcTKTy2t8LVy8pws7+8qwp1zobb6uwNcNtS9gfCxiqTE8Lg7 v9SZRAlzdUkVrpOYdMXAYNl2Xy+Ap6/dlYZGF7me4XZUSRZjGbEujOp9wiMlNb8SKnjo WYlT0pPArjhmQ2D078n+TROv/LdGkDLnIXTek= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.121.2 with SMTP id t2mr10223388ybc.290.1249338094029; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:21:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:21:36 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote: >> 2009/8/3 Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B : >> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < >> > >> > frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: >> >> Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B wrote: >> >> > What is ftps? >> >> >> >> # grep ftps /etc/services >> >> ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL >> >> ftps-data 989/udp >> >> ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL >> >> ftps 990/udp >> > >> > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. >> > >> > I am wondering if it can do this. >> >> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could >> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. > > When in doubt, use "she". :) I wasn't in doubt, but perhaps my chauvinism reared its head. I apologize if I offended anyone. It's actually quite funny that you bring this up, because I'm involved in a thread on debian-user@ with this topic. I (correctly) referred to someone as Mr. So-n-so and others questioned my choice of masculine reference. > -- > Mel > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:26:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76FD1065673 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcgovern@beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D998FC14 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcgovern@beta.com) Received: from [199.165.180.37] (dhcp7.beta.com [199.165.180.37]) by spoon.beta.com (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n74Hvalw041734 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:57:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@beta.com) From: "Brian J. McGovern" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: B.E.T.A. Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:57:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1249336653.1043.21.camel@dhcp7.beta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on spoon.beta.com Subject: FIONREAD behavior possible on uhid? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mcgovern@spoon.beta.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:26:38 -0000 All, I recently picked up a Velleman K8055, which is basically a Digital and analog I/O board that connects to a PC via a USB connection. So far, its worked fine w/FreeBSD, the uhid driver picks it up, and a simple cat < /dev/uhid0 will start pulling the 8 bytes that represent the inputs and counters available. However, once the device is open, it polls several times per second, and uhid begins to buffer the board's output in a clist. Since I don't need that level of resolution, I'm looking to have the application back down to once per second, perhaps slower (every 5 seconds). However, in order to do this, I need to either stop the over sampling or flush the buffer, and then pick up the first "new" read. However, performing both a TIOCFLUSH (have ioctl flush the buffers) as well as a FIONREAD (return the number of bytes waiting so the application can read them and throw them away) fail. I also tried to add a FIONREAD to uhid_do_ioctl() and uhidioctl() at different times. My understanding is that with the ioctl calls, the infrastructure should be able to do the copy out, so a simple: case FIONREAD: { *addr = sc->sc_q.c_cc; break; } should have done the trick, and it compiles happily, but it fails with an invalid address error when the ioctl is called. I also tried using copyout directly, but from the little reading I did, addr is already supposed to be in the kernel address space, and it returns EFAULT. Its been about 10 years since I've played seriously in the kernel space, so I hope its something simple I've just forgotten. Can someone point me at a way to get this functionality, short have having to write a device-specific driver (a-la uvisor) ? -B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:29:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AC4106566C for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.ports@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7878FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.ports@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5253B7E821; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:09:47 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, cperciva@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:09:45 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_qA2dKcl6XWRNAai" Message-Id: <200908031409.46060.mel.flynn+fbsd.ports@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Tom Mende , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update & userland sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:29:09 -0000 --Boundary-00=_qA2dKcl6XWRNAai Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 02 August 2009 16:10:37 Tom Mende wrote: > Is there a way to get freebsd-update to keep userland sources up to > date? Since it is for binary upgrades, it doesn't make much sense, but ... > By way of background, I am trying not to use csup / cvsup and like > processes as their past, admittedly incorrect, usage by me, combined > with my incompetent salvage operations, has hosed my systems to the > point of needing to be reinstalled from scratch. I have been using a > combination of portsnap and freebsd-update to keep my 7.2-RELEASE > system up to date and commenced this at about 6.3-RELEASE and have > managed to not hose the system since that time. It now however appears > I need to have userland sources to keep fusefs-kmod up to date. > > /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod>make install clean > ===> fusefs-kmod-0.3.9.p1.20080208_6 requires the userland sources to > be installed. Set SRC_BASE if it is not in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 This is one case where one requires sources. You would still need csup/cvsup and if you're tracking a -RELEASE branch, it does not do very much. Also, because you're not actually going to build world/kernel, the risk of "hosing your system" is limited. What freebsd-update could however do, is maintain a 'standard-supfile' that would have the correct tag at all times. For example: Would you like to install a supfile for this release in /etc? [y/n] y Please choose a mirror [cvsup$random.FreeBSD.org]: -- Mel --Boundary-00=_qA2dKcl6XWRNAai-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:30:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0818D10656EC for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: from xps.daemonology.net (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F688157F96 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cperciva@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 35882 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2009 22:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xps.daemonology.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Aug 2009 22:30:43 -0000 Message-ID: <4A776512.9020509@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:30:42 -0700 From: Colin Percival User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090715) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Flynn References: <9EC698AF-15E1-4B95-A7BB-B0E4B7063B25@optusnet.com.au> <200908031409.46060.mel.flynn+fbsd.ports@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200908031409.46060.mel.flynn+fbsd.ports@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tom Mende , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update & userland sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:30:44 -0000 > On Sunday 02 August 2009 16:10:37 Tom Mende wrote: >> Is there a way to get freebsd-update to keep userland sources up to >> date? Yes. If you have source code installed (for the right version of FreeBSD) in /usr/src, then freebsd-update will keep it updated. (Slight complication: Because freebsd-update builds are normally done before patches are committed to SVN, you won't get the updated SVN revision numbers or the new entries in UPDATING via freebsd-update -- but you will get all of the security/errata fixes.) -- Colin Percival Security Officer, FreeBSD | freebsd.org | The power to serve Founder / author, Tarsnap | tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:51:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDC71065674 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-out3.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-OUT3.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C9A8FC13 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,317,1246831200"; d="scan'208";a="10099512" Received: from zivmaildisp2.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.143]) by zivm-relay3.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2009 00:51:36 +0200 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id 415E21B008C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:51:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:51:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER vs. machdep.enable_panic_key=1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:51:38 -0000 just wanted to ask what the difference between the following ways of enabling the panic key is: options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER (kernelconf) machdep.enable_panic_key=1 (sysctl) i first thought having BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER in the kernelconf would change the default setting of machdep.enable_panic_key from 0 to 1, but both options don't seem to be linked to each other. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 22:53:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44193106566B for ; 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b=qh50dS28qTMxvrHJUutNYLHi5KY1PEpAx3hzehPW0KVSEOvGy8RwDDSF+67vnPBUWV RwyMEnQnOXhDZea1TYrA3XsnIo+y2hF9HxCo4kuiH43MIyPAZhEVWCi2dR0MJcxEdmXd LhfgRKiiiCY8qOP7UaGJg7oFzKrsqbxuF9FSE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.124.147 with SMTP id u19mr2828492far.28.1249339984293; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:53:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:53:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Joel Dahl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:53:06 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Joel Dahl wrote: > Yesterday I noticed something weird with one of my mail servers (FreeBSD > 7.2), which is located far away from me. =A0At first I thought it was my = mail > client that was misbehaving since a couple of mails that I retrieved from > the server looked...odd. =A0Characters were missing, and the mail headers= were > sometimes (perhaps 1 out of 100 mails) sort of scrambled. > > This server isn't doing anything really useful, except handling a few mai= ls > every day. =A0No load at all and it has been running for a few months wit= hout > any problems. > > Anyway, after some time I realized that Thunderbird probably wasn't the > problem. =A0I discovered that ssh connections suddenly dropped (seems ran= dom) > when I was connected to the server. =A0Often with messages like: > > Received disconnect from x.x.x.x: 2: Bad packet length 3365265859. > > I tried to ping it and I constantly got 5-15% packet loss. =A0The same > symptoms are there if I connect to it from other places, so my home > connection isn't the problem. =A0I get 0 packet loss if I ping the gatewa= y > which the server is behind from my home connection. > > Anyway, while I was connected to the machine (and scratching my head) I d= id > a csup from the server to fetch ports and other stuff, but that failed ev= ery > time, with different messages: > > 1st try: > > =A0Edit ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk > =A0Add delta 1.625 2009.08.03.15.36.58 miwi > =A0Edit ports/UPDATING > =A0Add delta 1.845 2009.08.03.19.08.48 dougb > csup: inflate: invalid stored block lengths > > 2nd try: > > =A0Edit ports/devel/libvc/Makefile > =A0Add delta 1.11 2009.08.02.19.33.28 mezz > =A0Edit ports/devel/libytnef/Makefile > =A0Add delta 1.6 2009.08.02.19.33.28 mezz > Receiver: Protocol error > > 3rd try: > > Edit ports/devel/p5-threads-shared/distinfo > =A0Add delta 1.4 2009.07.22.17.25.14 pgollucci > =A0Edit ports/devel/p5-usb/pkg-plist > =A0Add delta 1.3 2009.07.30.23.04.41 pgollucci > csup: inflate: invalid distance too far back > > Ok. =A0So something is messed up. > > Checked my other server (located at the same place) to see if there were = any > problems (it is running VMware ESXI with 4 virtual machines, all running > FreeBSD 7.2.), but all of the virtual hosts were fine. =A0No packet loss,= no > ssh problems, no nothing. =A0This server is connected to the same switch = and > behind the same gateway. =A0So are also a bunch of Windows servers. =A0No= ne of > them have any problems. > > Checked the logs on my mail server to see if there were anything weird...= and > the logs were filled with this: > > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:c7:24:69:ae to 00:16:cf:24:69:ae on bge0 > arp: x.x.x.x moved from 00:16:cf:24:69:ae to 00:16:c7:24:69:ae on bge0 > > x.x.x.x is my gateway which all my servers are behind. =A0These messages > started yesterday, about the same time that the problems appeared. > > Any ideas? :-) > I have 2: 1.) Bad NIC 2.) Bad CPU A while back, I found out I had a bad CPU after replacing everything else on the machine -- I would still receive CRC mismatch errors with portsnap(8). The NIC is more probable IMHO, but both should be suspect here. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 3 23:16:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBDC106564A for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520B68FC16 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1632354fxm.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rPA/vHiFOJugcRMF6+JtDm0VfGSU8RJlY7oVrJsD/gw=; b=D3tVguYDKlTb95NoBtrhrBVaaSb70+KH5hnczVovSsDGfrWkM2haL5Sb1uh21PgPN3 2JEyU3r0xyG/1VEDAnWeY1U3afF2w5VhZ/eVbp9gwSirk7c7EY/gWTrB8xNLdweHDscW IFiVi8Knz33zC9YMlM4kaDBGYQzZYYS5oRgGM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mx8tk54LT5WKgEGh6SCdVcidJ+vGxvUnnufv6AZP2TRAZlNay3YD3bqNFUw4U49DQE qM0ntuI50Wb1VrCOEsrC5NpukI0K7nvkRwTFEjOb2F+SWeDSjUcmdcSumbNM2psZwGqk rfVBJvY7Xe59ObfMYLvHoyWScBylwbcbB3Hfg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.68 with SMTP id a4mr762787fap.21.1249341390178; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:16:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908031616w15b8a16fw29a52f5b5168f713@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Joel Dahl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:16:32 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > > I have 2: > 1.) Bad NIC > 2.) Bad CPU > > A while back, I found out I had a bad CPU after replacing everything > else on the machine -- I would still receive CRC mismatch errors with > portsnap(8). > > The NIC is more probable IMHO, but both should be suspect here. > Now that I think about it... Do you do regular builds? Can you try to 'buildworld' (assuming you can get csup to pull the source tree? If CPU is the problem, you may experience random SIGSEGV errors when running the buildworld. If it fails in different areas of the build, this is most likely (from my experience) the problem. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 00:04:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30895106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C3C8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682337E818 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:04:32 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:04:31 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <41b95770907310324j397b5810v6793c9c314f8ce61@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41b95770907310324j397b5810v6793c9c314f8ce61@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908031604.31455.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: gmirror on different disks X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:04:34 -0000 On Friday 31 July 2009 02:24:31 Grzegorz Danecki wrote: > Hello everybody! > > I'm just wondering, I had gmirror with two disks: > > Master: ad0 Serial ATA II > Master: ad2 Serial ATA II > > unfortunately ad0 failed today, leaving me with degraded array and ad0 > offline. > > I did > > # gmirror forget gm0, then shutdown, ad0 was replaced with: > > ad0: 152626MB at ata0-master SATA300 > > with different firmware I think. > > Then gmirror insert gm0 /dev/ad0 > > (...) > Jul 31 09:55:46 julia kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm0: rebuilding provider > ad0 finished. > Jul 31 09:55:46 julia kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm0: provider ad0 > activated. > > But the disk is a little bit smaller: > > 1. Name: mirror/gm0 > Mediasize: 160040803328 (149G) ^^ > Sectorsize: 512 > Mode: r5w5e6 > Consumers: > 1. Name: ad2 > Mediasize: 160041885696 (149G) ^^ > Sectorsize: 512 > Mode: r1w1e1 > State: ACTIVE > Priority: 0 > Flags: DIRTY > GenID: 1 > SyncID: 1 > ID: 3791030614 > 2. Name: ad0 > Mediasize: 160040803840 (149G) ^^ > Sectorsize: 512 > Mode: r1w1e1 > State: ACTIVE > Priority: 0 > Flags: DIRTY > GenID: 1 > SyncID: 1 > ID: 2477089776 > > # gmirror status > Name Status Components > mirror/gm0 COMPLETE ad2 > ad0 > I mean - should I make the RAID once again with exactly the same drives, or > can I leave it as it is right now? The mirror rescaled to the size of the smallest provider and didn't report any problems during sync, so you should be fine. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 00:15:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F98106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:15:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901B58FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78A47E818; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:15:43 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:15:42 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <548f3c460907311115y5e89341ds91b43cd62c16dbf4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <548f3c460907311115y5e89341ds91b43cd62c16dbf4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908031615.42843.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: markham roan Subject: Re: Windows 2008 + AD + PF + bridge = problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:15:46 -0000 On Friday 31 July 2009 10:15:56 markham roan wrote: > A packet capture revealed a number of anomalies. Once the server starts > trying to join the domain, we get all sorts of TCP transmission errors, > retries, duplicate ACKs etc. In some cases, the public side of the > firewall will send an ICMP host-unreachable message for a host which is > clearly being BINAT. > > I've tinkered with net.inet.ip.intr_queue_maxlen, but it doesn't seem to > help. net.inet.ip.intr_queue_drops isn't increasing at a noticeable rate, > anyway. > > Does anyone have any thoughts and/or advice on where I can go from here? No experience with the case at hand, but I do see that Vista started to use IGMP protocol even when there's no obvious need to do so. Given that "allow all" does in fact only allow a handful of IP protocols, excluding IGMP, you may want to investigate if you're not silently blocking (or not translating) one of the more obscure IP protocols. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 00:29:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F4F106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlilly@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B118FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlilly@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so6825897yxe.3 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=q67sIIAHTgz+3crwu1eorO8x3iAdJs4qncCXKqel6M4=; b=nCFLKTenaZYSL/zhVmr1PwZwnWgXYci4yxE3XnFny9IBAetwBLKnQ6Lp0HGVvZf+1V TBPlUg+e2Bxk2PDQMAXjRbiuOxDwUEVNjGJ/+/FZTTZXxSciUzXhTS8PvfY01CtqQkDa gdb73WqAf6Msc5yUc5QJqZT5prPiG1ALjv0dU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=AiIiXO/H36Xha1u84moxwRFkJymdAwN64g9dEiRpFMJzhKPEK24oSyUoV8+Wqri8In yRQT/smcrVYQTMOA6sSF0f/v67D8xV40K6RRl9vnVhxtbzRppPMM7c1POlhXUZJiLHcx p1X4onxeO3cLwOIOLwm0UgYyHjWI5LjzNuBVg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.165.3 with SMTP id n3mr2207468ane.54.1249345774615; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908031615.42843.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <548f3c460907311115y5e89341ds91b43cd62c16dbf4@mail.gmail.com> <200908031615.42843.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: mojo fms To: markham roan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Windows 2008 + AD + PF + bridge = problems? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:29:35 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Mel Flynn < mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net > wrote: > On Friday 31 July 2009 10:15:56 markham roan wrote: > > > A packet capture revealed a number of anomalies. Once the server starts > > trying to join the domain, we get all sorts of TCP transmission errors, > > retries, duplicate ACKs etc. In some cases, the public side of the > > firewall will send an ICMP host-unreachable message for a host which is > > clearly being BINAT. > > > > I've tinkered with net.inet.ip.intr_queue_maxlen, but it doesn't seem to > > help. net.inet.ip.intr_queue_drops isn't increasing at a noticeable > rate, > > anyway. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts and/or advice on where I can go from here? > > No experience with the case at hand, but I do see that Vista started to use > IGMP protocol even when there's no obvious need to do so. Given that "allow > all" does in fact only allow a handful of IP protocols, excluding IGMP, you > may want to investigate if you're not silently blocking (or not > translating) > one of the more obscure IP protocols. > -- > Mel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This might be way off base but I had a server that had issues like that and it ended up being the network cable going bad. It would send an ack but if you captured the ack and other packets at the destination server it would be missing bits. I have personally not had an issue with a pf firewall and server 2008 joining a 2003 domain but network card or cable could cause an issue like that. What does tcpdump tell you on the firewall when monitoring PF while it joins, what rule(s) is it using when it joins? -- Who knew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 01:01:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A074B106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6E88FC15 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE159EB53F8; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23014509B; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:04 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26oemszAFj3D; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl48-68.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.175.68]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6319845088; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n74113kP043054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n741122U043053; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:02 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: fbsd@dannysplace.net References: <4A763BDD.2010308@dannysplace.net> <4A767180.7080108@dannysplace.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:01:02 +0300 Message-ID: <87ab2gtmsx.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Masqurading and root mails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:01:06 -0000 On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:11:28 +1000, Danny Carroll wrote: > Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: >> I found the answer to your problem here: >> >> http://www.grok.org.uk/docs/smroot.html >> >> The file that is being included which has the >> >> EXPOSED_USER(`root') >> >> line lives at >> >> /usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain/generic.m4 > > It seems your google-fu is much better than mine. > Thanks so much for your help. There are a *lot* of details like this in your system. It just takes a bit of experience to look for the ``right option name'' and a bit of time to read through the file: /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README The part that hints at the default expose option for the `root' user reads: : Normally only header addresses are masqueraded. If you want to : masquerade the envelope as well, use : : FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope') : : There are always users that need to be "exposed" -- that is, their : internal site name should be displayed instead of the masquerade name. : Root is an example (which has been "exposed" by default prior to 8.10). : You can add users to this list using : : EXPOSED_USER(`usernames') There's a great amount of information in that README file. I often find by re-reading it that there are still details I was missing so far :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 02:28:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A2A106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3530B8FC14 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3358325ewy.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:28:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FHPKhapZ9Qn5H5PtcidIJIOx6YQATHB1l+S/Ml2o8T8=; b=SIcUWoZxZD9rEdAp+LDTPzW5+87xVf7FwErDD1WYm6TacMa2sodIzZ9YzzZiUEnbV9 1WjOOyx3W4iRRs3y8gtgxhx+zWLT52qCytoZ92hc1CMYOJibk8x27WbdLoqX3kGF466i Ir0siOLrjR6d4ySEzyWpcTtODngFWNSDUVl64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=sGEHXI4LD/qMqQVZrg4MvvyLdFEMH863SSUyX1fkqMCE/QoasYIo013vmiqIdQnP+V reb8+pDhEz4kD3rcYnakaYNmxNcEfJA3DG89/21Z1SK6w02G8BWwlO8CojTToGX4Lb8S 40PrsAj9ahRsEu49ld9ymg+tKK6hV6wiVtsPw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.89.7 with SMTP id m7mr5970307ebb.14.1249352932247; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:28:52 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:28:54 -0000 I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing something... There seems to be a lot of superstition about entropy. People have come up with quite creative ways at generating passwords using everything from dice in a shoebox to radio static recorded with a mic, to dedicated entropy hardware. Most seem to discourage using any computer program to generate passwords. The reasoning is that computers employ "only" pseudo-random number generator (PRNG, henceforth). I wrote a python script which uses /dev/random, and hashes the output with sha256. I then truncate the output to the desired length. Blasphemy! According to the superstitious password crowd my passwords are not very secure ... maybe. However, wouldn't hashing bytes from /dev/random be quite secure? The hash function would cover any readily apparent patterns, if they were found to existed. Both sha256 and yarrow are, to date, believed to be cryptographically secure. (Assuming the implementations are correct.) Therefore, using a cryptographically secure pseudo-random number generator and an equally secure hash function should be damn well good enough, right? I'd think that listening for cosmic background radiation or environmental infrared is drifting a little far from being in the realm of practical. Right? Just looking for any re-assurances. -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 02:35:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B784106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:35:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4638FC19 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (pool-72-95-226-5.pitbpa.ftas.verizon.net [72.95.226.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF699EBC0A; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:34:27 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: Modulok Message-Id: <20090803223427.511879f2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.0 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:35:09 -0000 Modulok wrote: > > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > something... You could just use apg ... it's in the ports. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 02:39:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EFB106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111A58FC24 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2675977bwz.43 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oSS/ZznNdM+Sc3xbb+oOk0nEP77mp97JBAizSlJCcWw=; b=Y3Z9hXJeX7DRJcqCkwg4E4Zrns9Ylim1rL5bXxJ2beqniMW+BT3e0nbwkvNFgapLCa jyaSTQ1c/btgMqN7pEIXOZJ1D9ckslj1cu2fFf8rVTyaV8ypIkpaSP9HTyzwuRi7QOal MMENr089oxjXDSLFjHrGfaZJ0DxPS2QFoqJek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w6RJQVqeH9ZjKK3ymkPIrYl7INsZyBG3ahtP4A4vkY0GWTUb2BTDqPRy0//3MY/Nqm bD2/3BPz8nIQhTOwG5Y/HQlpyG7Yb14xjhrSXCOjFYc1Gc3bv9uMJjO5PmqXmyRGO/I9 VOasnEvGBWsMur0mIWecBqDcz3vPgvSPlItmY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.148 with SMTP id x20mr2859518fao.68.1249353558747; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908031939m3cb6fdefo83ee1adee63915cf@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Modulok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:39:20 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Modulok wrote: > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > something... Have a look at jot(1). -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 03:40:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C485106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EE78FC1D for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:40:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so145928ewy.36 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:40:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kvNF3Kpra1uADElhz9A0h7cKpNL/yYivpZOvHiyNFqM=; b=VURb+CVov2xAPGgUs71ZU3URPnS6R8D5p4J8PIuOIpdOeQ1Xd6zYlo+jCXiWeX4w81 0/j6EXYfTWxw8wIC6/FRWpswiwsgdG7Glpj/QmGtzhRd0YaeK5zpDln8eQXyyX2GR1ZC 82foOsITJ+9t4sik6wxxB8jPWC1OdGzUSOTZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pee6OD2mVWHEvQJZ54CoAdwBJlhNaGw/Y5UfxQIpU6o+mHSiPzpYmsq9c0qnGefocR 9lXSNEem18mrnriwUe29EOjhHfy6sLeJHwjh+IZLkoKUgvrbsHhr1ujHuB6nh7xNrQHo XU6U2IlA6OOLN9OFU5LwO8ERQB5oS+2Qa5Nio= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.39.2 with SMTP id m2mr5929881ebm.85.1249355782700; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:16:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:16:22 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Modulok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:40:24 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 19:28, Modulok wrote: > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > something... Gah. Define "secure". What is your use case? Does it involve humans remembering them, or not? What is your threat model? Will the passwords change once a day, once a month, or once a year? What's the value of the data you're protecting? Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 04:12:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D331106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewberry@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053D98FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewberry@sentex.net) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.10]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n744CELi028994; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:12:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrewberry@sentex.net) Received: from blizzard.lan (p45ka.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca [64.7.151.46]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n744CEXo009210; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:12:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrewberry@sentex.net) Message-Id: From: Andrew Berry To: Modulok In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:12:14 -0400 References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.1 at smtp1.sentex.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:12:17 -0000 On 3-Aug-09, at 10:28 PM, Modulok wrote: > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > something... Take a look at pwgen (it's in ports). If you're really needing *very* secure passwords, it makes more sense to audit existing code then to write your own. The passwords it generates can quite easily be strong enough to prevent most automated attacks. --Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 06:00:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753211065672 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.real.david.allen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f174.google.com (mail-pz0-f174.google.com [209.85.222.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478378FC1E for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.real.david.allen@gmail.com) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so2904065pzk.7 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:00:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3YK7TYEBeJDbr/JSD0Sg6IrMzyjxTJ+oh5ZAOrEDb64=; b=guHIAZfLyJWGA9Ixb2pGcvDSANdTIug8mxJmBl6PydetrrLb27NoTJrj10nhGmI0Mq v+K2eghrzR11EB6u/jGAlJ5mIgf728uV+Ra42UKWI2gtTsG0mIP2MXPOWILOA4pZ7xXH SuXcWwgYKkDZm8/qlPLy2ic0dewCuDxxE50vI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XtTKfSzpwogebtLuupmkSHf8C3dZooYPoa5NqYQPSukk7Kj4W8maULKeobPgB1+frg PRy4sabX4Q9pdAm695RbrIa20kgvLhF3oZYiG9f7eidV2t1N1QRCcqrN2P3/VCzf724f VAY4UgtQgg5dh5TBC66P96mgt8moH2r21w3jo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr690059wfh.60.1249365644662; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:00:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090803214425.58580308.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <2daa8b4e0908011421x3142425fm69eef6df8ebf4309@mail.gmail.com> <20090803214425.58580308.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <2daa8b4e0908032300m3ae4be7ft9a42445ddda17197@mail.gmail.com> From: David Allen To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Manual Installations on Flash Media X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:00:46 -0000 On 8/3/09, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:21:02 -0700, David Allen > wrote: > > I need to create a FreeBSD installation on an SSD drive (connected via > > a USB adaptor), and would like to do so manually so as to avoid the > > use of an installation CD, PXE or sysinstall. > > > > 1. Would a device alphabetical order (as used by bsdlabel) work? > > I think it's no problem. My /etc/fstab looks that way: > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 Knowing that will make things easier when editing the disklabel and adding corresponding entries in fstab. > > 2. I don't expect the system to swap, so can I dispense with a swap > > entry and have everything function normally (no error messages, etc.)? > > I don't know how to "expect" swapping. As far as I understood, the > system decides by itself if to write data to / read data from the swap > file. Something got lost in the translation. "I don't expect" is an idiomatic form of "I estimate a low probability of swapping". > I'm not sure if you can omit it. Haven't done an actual NanoBSD installation on flash, but my reading of the setup is that there is no swap partition whatsoever. Guess I'll have to experiment to find out for myself. > > 3. Will adding `noatime' to / or any other filesystem have any > > consequences? > > Yes. The access time for files won't be recorded. Using the noatime > option is often advised for the use with SSD media, so is ANY advice > that helps to minimize read / write cycles in order to increase the > life time of the media. Just wanted to be sure. I'm still open to using md devices for /var and /tmp (with a cron-ed sync to disk) possibly in conjunction with remote logging, but one of the reasons I opted for SSD over regular flash is to avoid that extra layer of complexity. Thanks for the reply. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 06:20:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99DC1065674 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986EA8FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ED57E818 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:51 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:50 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908032220.50964.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:20:53 -0000 On Monday 03 August 2009 18:28:52 Modulok wrote: > I wrote a python script which uses /dev/random, and hashes the output > with sha256. I then truncate the output to the desired length. > Blasphemy! According to the superstitious password crowd my passwords > are not very secure ... maybe. They aren't, because you reduce the random to a much less random, *because* you are hashing. You're much better off, using ctype to determine if the byte you got is typeable on a keyboard and if not getting the next byte. Or use an array of allowed characters and read the rands as integers modulus the size of the array. But as others have stated, you're reinventing the wheel, and even FreeBSD's adduser(8) can generate random passwords that are suitable for most uses. You should really answer Kurt's questions to determine how secure they should be. As far as Pseudo generators go, they will generate the same sequence for the same seed, so if the seed is guessable by an attacker, you should not use them. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:02:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6E31065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958DB8FC15 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n7472G3g080100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n7472Gjc080097; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA02514; Mon, 3 Aug 09 23:59:18 PDT Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:56:05 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: joel@vnode.se, glen.j.barber@gmail.com Message-Id: <4a77db85.YjBDPg0yifmYRuT9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:02:18 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Joel Dahl wrote: [snip description of network flakiness on one server, out of several on the same switch behind the same gateway] > > Any ideas? :-) > > > I have 2: > 1.) Bad NIC > 2.) Bad CPU 3. Bad cable from NIC to switch 4. Bad switch port These may not be all that likely, but they're easy to test if you have even a marginally-competent tech available at the site. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:10:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE15106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from mail.vnode.se (mail.vnode.se [62.119.52.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771AE8FC15 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from iMac.local (pgw.vnode.se [77.110.37.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD1E3E9F42C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A77DEE4.607@vnode.se> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:10:28 +0200 From: Joel Dahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908031616w15b8a16fw29a52f5b5168f713@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908031616w15b8a16fw29a52f5b5168f713@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:10:35 -0000 Glen Barber skrev: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Glen Barber wrote: >> I have 2: >> 1.) Bad NIC >> 2.) Bad CPU >> >> A while back, I found out I had a bad CPU after replacing everything >> else on the machine -- I would still receive CRC mismatch errors with >> portsnap(8). >> >> The NIC is more probable IMHO, but both should be suspect here. >> > > Now that I think about it... Do you do regular builds? Can you try to > 'buildworld' (assuming you can get csup to pull the source tree? > > If CPU is the problem, you may experience random SIGSEGV errors when > running the buildworld. If it fails in different areas of the build, > this is most likely (from my experience) the problem. I've been doing buildworld -j4 for 8 hours without problems now. I'll see if I can get someone onsite to try another cable and switch port. -- Joel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:24:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1726F106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26E98FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYE9F-0006Gy-CL; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:09:42 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYE96-000ElI-N4; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:09:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4A77DE98.5000707@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:09:12 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Gustafson References: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> In-Reply-To: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF1249CADFCBBEAC8D7E097AE" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:24:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF1249CADFCBBEAC8D7E097AE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim Gustafson wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if there was a plan or time line in place to support ZF= S boot partitions in the installer. I Googled around a bit and found som= e how-to documents for setting it up in a hacky kind of way, but the impr= ession I got is that support for ZFS partitions is coming to the installe= r in perhaps 7.3 or 8.0, and I wanted to confirm or dispel that myth befo= re I go forward using the hacky method. > > Thanks! > > Tim Gustafson > Baskin School of Engineering > UC Santa Cruz > tjg@soe.ucsc.edu > 831-459-5354 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" > =20 Hello, I don't know about the "installer" but I believe the bootloader in 8.0 will (allready does) support booting from zfs. See links below for 8.0: http://lulf.geeknest.org/blog/freebsd/Setting_up_a_zfs-only_syst= em/ for 7.x: http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSOnRoot I'd go for 8.0 if you whish to use an all zfs system. You might want to wait for the release version if you are affraid of the "hacking" method. Or you could try it in a Virtual Machine. Greetz, Mark --------------enigF1249CADFCBBEAC8D7E097AE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp33pwACgkQN9xNqOOVnWAkGACfZh21CbqqJ0TEunhtjy3hOsp3 lAkAn3W98h7aDnimQQV+ChykEB6ILFWR =jRu0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF1249CADFCBBEAC8D7E097AE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:34:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81028106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170A08FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYEX1-0001Cw-7X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:34:01 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYEWf-0004Hj-CH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:33:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4A77E44E.8090500@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:33:34 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2daa8b4e0908011421x3142425fm69eef6df8ebf4309@mail.gmail.com> <20090803214425.58580308.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090803214425.58580308.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA6368B333863A153E667AE27" Subject: Re: Manual Installations on Flash Media X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:34:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA6368B333863A153E667AE27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:21:02 -0700, David Allen wrote: > =20 >> I need to create a FreeBSD installation on an SSD drive (connected via= a >> USB adaptor), and would like to do so manually so as to avoid the use = of >> an installation CD, PXE or sysinstall. >> >> 1. Would a device alphabetical order (as used by bsdlabel) work? >> =20 > > I think it's no problem. My /etc/fstab looks that way: > > /dev/ad0s1b none swap sw 0 0 > /dev/ad0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > /dev/ad0s1d /tmp ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1g /home ufs rw 2 2 > > > > =20 >> 2. I don't expect the system to swap, so can I dispense with a swap en= try >> and have everything function normally (no error messages, etc.)? >> =20 > > I don't know how to "expect" swapping. As far as I understood, the > system decides by itself if to write data to / read data from the > swap file. I'm not sure if you can omit it. > > > > =20 >> 3. Will adding `noatime' to / or any other filesystem have any >> consequences? >> =20 > > Yes. The access time for files won't be recorded. Using the noatime > option is often advised for the use with SSD media, so is ANY advice > that helps to minimize read / write cycles in order to increase the > life time of the media. > > > > =20 You may want to look at the link below. It describes how to install freebsd on an USB-pendrive. http://typo.submonkey.net/articles/2006/4/13/installing-freebsd-on-usb-st= ick-episode-2 It notes that /var/log /var/run and /tmp should not be written to flash memory. You can use memory devices for these directories to minimize disk writes.= If you want, you can backup/and repopulate these directories on shutdown/startup. Hope it helps! Mark --------------enigA6368B333863A153E667AE27 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp35FEACgkQN9xNqOOVnWC9MwCfbzS3mSk8+lF2dtQbSivmo0Vn 4bQAn2+X1FvJb+GHSuu0I7A/bWEr/Em7 =L7/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA6368B333863A153E667AE27-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:41:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F1B106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BAC8FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYEdr-0001vo-EU; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:41:03 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYEdl-00050G-Pf; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:40:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4A77E607.6060107@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:40:55 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBD2CC012DF5DA33C267CAA41" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:41:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBD2CC012DF5DA33C267CAA41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PJ wrote: > Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would > overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that > files will not be overwritten? > > =20 Dear Phil, Ofcourse if you upgrade, files will be overwritten. Could you please be more specific? Greetz, Mark --------------enigBD2CC012DF5DA33C267CAA41 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp35gkACgkQN9xNqOOVnWBjHACeMW+yBiRG/JXN0Rb6SdnRRX2p d0wAniUharJ61+vFvHDsDJa03mMfJs1z =EjTe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBD2CC012DF5DA33C267CAA41-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 07:52:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4185510656A3 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCB48FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n747qLoR084122; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:52:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3250AB853; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:52:21 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Modulok Message-ID: <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:52:34 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:28:52PM -0600, Modulok wrote: > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > something... It is very easy to generate hard-to-guess semi-random passwords:=20 openssl rand -base64 6 some examples: hJ9WQ0eK oOyHWEd4 W801vDIB mob29k5I RVDXkE/9 7BRHC+8h Even though this is semi-random, these are still extremely hard to guess, and neither will a dictionary attack be much use. The _big_ downside is that this kind of passwords are hard to remember. So people _will_ write them down. Which isn't a problem in itself, as long as they keep that piece of paper secure. (so not taped to their monitor, or under their keyboard.) A better solution IMHO is to let people make their own acronyms, mixed with a little l33tsp34k. That way you can have something easy to remember, but still hard to guess. E.g. "Ask not for whom the bell tolls" would become "An4wtbt". Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp36LUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWSqgCeM1PO1q74ySkP+RB1KF04QLQX q5oAoK1syAy9PxJWu8IZ7XLtXoVA9NN+ =xp8t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 08:15:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89791065672 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A868FC20 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFAq-0002hD-2q; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:15:08 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFAQ-000Otp-H6; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:14:39 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neal Hogan References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0B2FAB2AC6DB4C9CB7747D4F" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:15:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0B2FAB2AC6DB4C9CB7747D4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neal Hogan wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mel > Flynn wrote: > =20 >> On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote: >> =20 >>> 2009/8/3 Odhiambo =E3=83=AF=E3=82=B7=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=83=B3 : >>> =20 >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < >>>> >>>> frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: >>>> =20 >>>>> Odhiambo =E3=83=AF=E3=82=B7=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=83=B3 wrote: >>>>> =20 >>>>>> What is ftps? >>>>>> =20 >>>>> # grep ftps /etc/services >>>>> ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL >>>>> ftps-data 989/udp >>>>> ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL >>>>> ftps 990/udp >>>>> =20 >>>> pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. >>>> >>>> I am wondering if it can do this. >>>> =20 >>> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could >>> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. >>> =20 >> When in doubt, use "she". :) >> =20 > > I wasn't in doubt, but perhaps my chauvinism reared its head. I > apologize if I offended anyone. > > It's actually quite funny that you bring this up, because I'm involved > in a thread on debian-user@ with this topic. I (correctly) referred to > someone as Mr. So-n-so and others questioned my choice of masculine > reference. > > =20 >> -- >> Mel >> >> =20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" > =20 It would be nice to hear more "she-calling" on these lists though... So maybe mailing list etiquette should state anyone posting to a mailing list should be referred to as "she" like we do with boats.... and institutions like the court... (well in dutch we do...) However, Frederique should imply the person who started this thread is female. Either that or cette person has cruel parents... --------------enig0B2FAB2AC6DB4C9CB7747D4F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp37fIACgkQN9xNqOOVnWCCOwCfQw6NIA+bOkBImpf/Vmp0zMc/ wlEAnREhgHk3Jqhc590J73v8qvhUsvFz =1C/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0B2FAB2AC6DB4C9CB7747D4F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 08:18:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C991065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746EE8FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from seis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.93]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFEI-00004N-GK; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:18:46 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by seis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFEH-00029o-NV; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:18:42 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n748If3v074500; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:18:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n748If8a074499; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:18:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:18:41 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Roland Smith Message-ID: <20090804081841.GC74277@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:18:48 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 09:52:21AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:28:52PM -0600, Modulok wrote: > > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > > something... > > It is very easy to generate hard-to-guess semi-random passwords: > > openssl rand -base64 6 > > some examples: > > hJ9WQ0eK oOyHWEd4 W801vDIB mob29k5I RVDXkE/9 7BRHC+8h > > Even though this is semi-random, these are still extremely hard to > guess, and neither will a dictionary attack be much use. The _big_ > downside is that this kind of passwords are hard to remember. So people > _will_ write them down. Which isn't a problem in itself, as long as they > keep that piece of paper secure. (so not taped to their monitor, or > under their keyboard.) > > A better solution IMHO is to let people make their own acronyms, mixed > with a little l33tsp34k. That way you can have something easy to > remember, but still hard to guess. E.g. "Ask not for whom the bell > tolls" would become "An4wtbt". I really like the VMS password generation facility: UAF> modify donkey/generate_password tratworman cralopyter bosequism coshindius jaritions Enter PRIMARY password: clumiump wrielene guirtiety scapress primpatly Enter PRIMARY password: odliesting conetred emenstate ammycle rasests ... You are given a choice of 5 passwords to choose from. If you don't like any, keep going until something comes up that's easy to remember for you. The system manager can specify the min required length. I think this is a really nice utility, and VMS systems are very rarely compromised, though perhaps VMS users are better trained in password safe keeping. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 08:32:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C833A106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1878FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.146] (helo=smtp15.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFRS-0000Rn-Ns; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:32:18 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp15.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYFRR-0007Kv-09; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:32:17 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8A63983C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A77F20F.5060500@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:32:15 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton Shterenlikht References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090804081841.GC74277@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090804081841.GC74277@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MYFRR-0007Kv-09 X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.111, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Modulok Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:32:24 -0000 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 09:52:21AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:28:52PM -0600, Modulok wrote: >>> I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all >>> about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing >>> something... >> It is very easy to generate hard-to-guess semi-random passwords: >> >> openssl rand -base64 6 >> >> some examples: >> >> hJ9WQ0eK oOyHWEd4 W801vDIB mob29k5I RVDXkE/9 7BRHC+8h >> >> Even though this is semi-random, these are still extremely hard to >> guess, and neither will a dictionary attack be much use. The _big_ >> downside is that this kind of passwords are hard to remember. So people >> _will_ write them down. Which isn't a problem in itself, as long as they >> keep that piece of paper secure. (so not taped to their monitor, or >> under their keyboard.) >> >> A better solution IMHO is to let people make their own acronyms, mixed >> with a little l33tsp34k. That way you can have something easy to >> remember, but still hard to guess. E.g. "Ask not for whom the bell >> tolls" would become "An4wtbt". > > I really like the VMS password generation facility: > > UAF> modify donkey/generate_password > > tratworman > cralopyter > bosequism > coshindius > jaritions > > Enter PRIMARY password: > > clumiump > wrielene > guirtiety > scapress > primpatly > > Enter PRIMARY password: > > odliesting > conetred > emenstate > ammycle > rasests > > ... > > You are given a choice of 5 passwords to choose from. > If you don't like any, keep going until something > comes up that's easy to remember for you. > > The system manager can specify the min required length. > > I think this is a really nice utility, and VMS systems are > very rarely compromised, though perhaps VMS users are > better trained in password safe keeping. > Password guessing will crack these in a jiffy. Hardly secure I would say... I use apg, like this: /usr/local/bin/apg -x 8 -m 8 -l -MSNCL -s 8 characters, minimal one capital, number and special sign, and I could use a previous used password (or random) as input. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 09:43:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D77E106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC08FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:43:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n749hBxv011860; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:43:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n749hBIC011859; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:43:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:43:11 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Mark Stapper Message-ID: <20090804094311.GA11818@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Mark Stapper , Neal Hogan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:43:17 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:14:39AM +0200, Mark Stapper typed: > It would be nice to hear more "she-calling" on these lists though... > So maybe mailing list etiquette should state anyone posting to a mailing > list should be referred to as "she" like we do with boats.... and > institutions like the court... (well in dutch we do...) > However, Frederique should imply the person who started this thread is > female. > Either that or cette person has cruel parents... > Bollocks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 11:26:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174EA106564A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BE28FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180033021.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.33.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt2u-1MYI9w2Ecm-000cvV; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:26:24 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYI9w-0005EK-3X for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:26:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:26:24 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+/ptmngqQ/rk75Tu22a4eYJwlCIT2SW+msKtp CccoKMnzYUicrGTqoMgU5unLgMLSTIgq5/EsmjyrSFcHglsjvE LY71HQAom9UBuRs1VPSrmJ0mXnPa0t38k7rGclgm6Y= Subject: Moused crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:26:26 -0000 Hi, an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble here. My primary problem is: I restart the mouse daemon and then I can move the mouse only for a short distance; suddenly the mouse freezes. To analyze the problem I do the following: # /etc/rc.d/moused restart # dd if=/dev/sysmouse bs=4 | xxd -c 4 0000000: 87fb 05fb .... 0000004: 0687 f709 .... 0000008: 8787 f207 .... 000000c: 87e1 09e1 .... 0000010: 0a87 f600 .... 0000014: f600 87e2 .... 0000018: f8e3 f987 .... 000001c: f7fa f8fb .... 0000020: 87f3 f7f4 .... 0000024: f887 f3f5 .... 0000028: f3f6 87f4 .... 000002c: f3f4 f487 .... 0000030: f7f4 f8f5 .... 0000034: 87fa f5fb .... 0000038: f587 fcf5 .... 000003c: fdf6 87ff .... 0000040: f6ff f787 .... 0000044: 01f6 02f6 .... 0000048: 87 . 18+1 records in 18+1 records out 73 bytes transferred in 21.774484 secs (3 bytes/sec) # You see: dd stops without reporting an error. Obviously the moused doesn't work properly any more. Further I seem to have missed something else. I found the page http://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad where are mentioned some sysctls: hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" hw.psm.synaptics.vscroll_hor_area=1300 I don't have those ctls here and I cannot find the kernel driver that provides them. Does anybody have some advice for me? Thanks in advance. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 12:06:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15991065678 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763CC8FC1D for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so5384512ywh.27 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:06:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TxzUKX9L4WGnrbqaupknfbh4iSUaxt6x5yMU3JKy/jg=; b=DbxGqDipCvYxM4t2fcio3DqEVptAuNqeRfWwBxbZSRWD8l8vdV70XjZ46ixECjxUNI LNsak12ayqJhuaPeNMDgNC4j8VPG4zRPAZHI2nM0W1dmlXRtgP3orGIsRoC1x+qyah15 8iHtDIIrio8U9SFtVoKjrAvKZvWbKVnPH97hE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mPUd88sJp8kTpGt0Czg0RZ5cwtFc/TK6g/lYO4lGzi6EjKgLmY6CaTYOcyJxmSg0Gl n15CVMy6qZA8KgVDWnyCGcaHmTgY7lyFaCR0M44S1ALupIZ03m2f1Q6aeOynMFTexpj7 YuNRZ1++b8+RgQCBB52J6lr8GXhtxqmI3GtOk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr13055253yby.42.1249387607889; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:06:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:06:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Mark Stapper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:06:49 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Mark Stapper wrote: > Neal Hogan wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mel >> Flynn wrote: >> >>> On Monday 03 August 2009 04:26:32 Neal Hogan wrote: >>> >>>> 2009/8/3 Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B : >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < >>>>> >>>>> frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Odhiambo $B%o%7%s%H%s(B wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What is ftps? >>>>>>> >>>>>> # grep ftps /etc/services >>>>>> ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL >>>>>> ftps-data 989/udp >>>>>> ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL >>>>>> ftps 990/udp >>>>>> >>>>> pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. >>>>> >>>>> I am wondering if it can do this. >>>>> >>>> I was curious about the OP's use of 'ftps" too. Perhaps, he could >>>> explain what plain-old-ftp doesn't do and what he wants it to do. >>>> >>> When in doubt, use "she". :) >>> >> >> I wasn't in doubt, but perhaps my chauvinism reared its head. I >> apologize if I offended anyone. >> >> It's actually quite funny that you bring this up, because I'm involved >> in a thread on debian-user@ with this topic. I (correctly) referred to >> someone as Mr. So-n-so and others questioned my choice of masculine >> reference. >> >> >>> -- >>> Mel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > It would be nice to hear more "she-calling" on these lists though... > So maybe mailing list etiquette should state anyone posting to a mailing > list should be referred to as "she" like we do with boats.... and > institutions like the court... (well in dutch we do...) > However, Frederique should imply the person who started this thread is > female. Perhaps . . . > Either that or cette person has cruel parents... > > New mailing list etiquette: Everyone should include his/her gender when posting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 12:48:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3E3106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE1118FC18 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37122 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 12:48:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:X-Virus-Status:X-Virus-Scanned:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ANvXsw/Be3HECX35zTfnaM88sYm3vWTWgZdzJDHC4KI4I6FsW/rzYNUzt9njSLof5W/GMUMxq01zVeLws52z3HQmp+4orflZLZyZYZQ7ynAeuTd/hq1BqN2h5QmB5Da4nWPQ5VNdbHAmF0EPQagjb84TmKYEa1XtVDlZYtoAx/g= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Aug 2009 05:48:05 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: oKTu4mkVM1lmgnNHHJ3NiST1qYxUQUvVrtqTpD73aybfQhXciBQf4go27xWNW3lOcCdQLQDxcnXN4XCTAFidUQtaJBOuKvV7qeiASsViW8JT4ltgsPZw61OhQC9CA8HabdE6HOe1X_U78St_Aa3oKjWa9hQ5YalgC0H2He377HJ7cJtGXYNxwR27LFGtaY8OKlzl_4BXR8H4oExrCt_ZZKIRE583Y21jq9QYzymzcjsJbx2KDlhlXyVVM41iOWJrzZw4zK4Y25pdniBEUSNFhHVYDqtMXY5hn_AL6O6MUkJ9xB57IaHJp.44lX8mCwNTudy1jN0I X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 664C922924 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:48:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:48:05 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804084805.45a1a008@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:48:07 -0000 On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:06:47 -0500 Neal Hogan wrote: > New mailing list etiquette: Everyone should include his/her gender > when posting. OK, then lets also include ethnic background, political affiliation, religious affiliation along with a cornucopia of other irrelevant information. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com What makes us so bitter against people who outwit us is that they think themselves cleverer than we are. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 13:17:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F730106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B78E8FC14 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:17:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2908687bwz.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:17:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=D2y7BZCMWKXovrpksYl5ZqkMLIolSO3sXpnyzQLH7Ns=; b=wZXRBEFSxoHlgT0SM6qOX+sJlLR279MjekhJYokQ2B8pvacfMY9QyURbk3M8a9RkGI IoYeRzPQvHYDwWVGQEtvkspycJcA4WasIo+VdA+j1+NKGMVZHj/i5z3K0+9G9+XZWKKC ttL+NcDtkRYfeqfIeNqqPrhQpwrsr2clgugF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JdTnfep5DKNMJgpmljJlOst2mdxhNJFP9m2AmRhUsHQDN6UeVV7pvU/ST1ZqtY3/pL TSB8Mcs8ZrooGcD49PfPAqp4+V4SIlbCyyLzE8rgDz1M/XJ8JyKhRgCsk7JE6T6bLVUj 13hVFUpR4NQIixUHxWZlb+MCVMbDzacOPw9KQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.193.13 with SMTP id v13mr952135mup.68.1249391831538; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 06:17:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> <4A77DE98.5000707@mapper.nl> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: chris scott To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:17:13 -0000 My zfs only system works fine but it based on 8-beta2 built around 16 May( will be rebuilding soon) The main thing to remember to do it make sure your have zfs_loader_support="yes" in your src of make.conf I based my install on this howto http://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSOnRootWithZFSboot#installFreeBSD If you dont want to go for current in theory if you install the boot blocks and loader from current onto the disk you should be able to boot into 7.2 I havent tested this though On thing I would advise though is don't install the root partition in the root of the zpool I have mine like this system 68.1G 74.6G 21K /system system/home 59.3G 74.6G 59.3G /home system/local-old 952M 74.6G 952M /system/local-old system/root 4G 77.1G 1.53G legacy system/scripts 20K 74.6G 20K /usr/local/scripts system/tmp 31K 4.00G 31K /tmp system/usr-local 396M 74.6G 324M /usr/local system/usr-obj 1.85G 74.6G 1.65G /usr/obj system/usr-ports 193M 74.6G 185M /usr/ports system/usr-ports/distfiles 8.53M 74.6G 8.53M /usr/ports/distfiles system/usr-src 499M 74.6G 303M /usr/src system/var 1014M 74.6G 776M /var system/var/log 192M 74.6G 192M /var/log system/var/mysql 46.4M 74.6G 46.4M /var/db/mysql I did it like this as it is more like an opensolaris setup. If i wanted to say run a new os build I could say install it on a new zfs fs called say root_YYYYMMDD which would be a clone of the original root. I could then flip flop between these installations by resetinng the bootfs option of the pool From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 14:07:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302C11065675 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D821B8FC1A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2009 09:39:20 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id QBT04111; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 04 Aug 2009 09:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7839FA.2020001@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:06 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <200908031416.30084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> <20090804084805.45a1a008@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20090804084805.45a1a008@scorpio.seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:07:45 -0000 Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:06:47 -0500 > Neal Hogan wrote: > >> New mailing list etiquette: Everyone should include his/her gender >> when posting. > > OK, then lets also include ethnic background, political affiliation, > religious affiliation along with a cornucopia of other irrelevant > information. Oooh! Oooh! Can we include the date of the most recent recalibration of the sarcasm bit detector? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 15:10:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735131065673 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1635A8FC17 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3752732ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.22.78 with SMTP id s56mr1446740wes.100.1249396663609; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:37:43 -0300 Message-ID: From: Joey Mingrone To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: kernel panics in 7.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:10:55 -0000 Hi, I have 7.2-RELEASE running on two older laptops and both have had a few kernel panics lately. Unfortunately the one that paniced today doesn't have debugging symbols, so I'm sure how useful any of output below will be. Joey % dmesg . . . Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc05e480b stack pointer = 0x28:0xe7228820 frame pointer = 0x28:0xe7228860 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 50277 (mtree) trap number = 12 panic: page fault . . . % sudo kgdb kernel /var/crash/vmcore.1 GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... Attempt to extract a component of a value that is not a structure pointer. Attempt to extract a component of a value that is not a structure pointer. Attempt to extract a component of a value that is not a structure pointer. Attempt to extract a component of a value that is not a structure pointer. #0 0xc0566ddb in doadump () From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 16:39:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D671065796 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237F78FC1E for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3821881ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nvz3H/VpQ12CgKsz88ySswXAsYi1+WJtuxohFxIpQGo=; b=qTCF/em3C35yiav7oC3dG2sNUN60beJoGpXRz8sKzqLupAeAaSbZ/UpRwFzQPYVax1 2rKpCHK5DvCs3evS/LgrQDk8Ee+FVjbcxw0vZJ+e93XQxyWBRYGw2sAiNlLaubSsBQE+ Qac29F6y/QZjo0zMm+VxbpN9LMupwt/ZXXrV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=II7sfEkjjpp2pzf/1ZTsuLGeAITBvVBLqPLAscQVTzttBSySm8G9RGHmpNcYCIfj0n bJL09ZQ39whAyW4WS5SEnXbckm9R7pGJiCMEhvodXFqs/ztZGkQSB5SRysnYfhbRVuaF a924QUZX1cz99DB2J4TMGXnD40DpNmn4mBMd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.179.6 with SMTP id g6mr6930985ebp.49.1249403978934; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <64c038660908040938m6b195216kb18edc17add0e5ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090804081841.GC74277@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4A77F20F.5060500@boosten.org> <64c038660908040936m7872c211y2897990508ee8316@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660908040938m6b195216kb18edc17add0e5ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:39:38 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908040939o349b7b16o6659d5f5f2eb65fb@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:39:41 -0000 Good call on the hashing, reducing the quality of the passwords, Kurt. The hash generated passwords are for online accounts, as auto-generated initial passwords and such. But I'm also looking for a good way to generate high quality crypto keys. In the later case, the data being protected are disk images of clients...mountains of sensitive data. These will be on USB keys, and thus do not need to be memorized. Assuming my clients are not enemies of a state, /dev/random should be a sufficient source for this purpose, correct? i.e: dd if=/dev/random of=foo.key bs=256 count=1 Thanks guys! -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 16:39:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9974106567B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F3F8FC0C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:39:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-ew0-f206.google.com with SMTP id 2so3821881ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NnoAR3i6c8R1C60NKhPACJisVpnggF89IAD/XkdtOy0=; b=HGNFxc4CVp4/RhdZKSzS7fDHOtLu51n8c3F+j6oTl1ppZEvq/RhX9vcdqINQNqrZPG Iwhy9v4QEp/GNKL8++lDfYHUPDiG4wiFLdTiShd87RkRnv3lbFRbt8sI2BCe8GbjYRwG xeuq7+1ngpWnrOcUR81xAQ9lJhRDFmC/dff5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tv/jeHk1K/hfBSXXqiYsYrOJNqu8xmd1K+bkZUNLOyE58CC85yeSIVCkAfMi3gyyqy +UCUdoG1HhtgIvRMZ4Cz1Ypux3VCmLN+iPAwPo3+BkgeIykuH9rHGVAfd8muZG1E65I7 ODuYyDmVBY6lBDo3C4oZfKbRSIvr8J6uH5pzA= Received: by 10.211.178.12 with SMTP id f12mr9120693ebp.83.1249403981942; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2434182eyb.7.2009.08.04.09.39.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:39:39 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804173939.598a224f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200908032220.50964.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <200908032220.50964.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:39:43 -0000 On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:50 -0800 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Monday 03 August 2009 18:28:52 Modulok wrote: > > > I wrote a python script which uses /dev/random, and hashes the > > output with sha256. I then truncate the output to the desired > > length. Blasphemy! According to the superstitious password crowd my > > passwords are not very secure ... maybe. > > They aren't, because you reduce the random to a much less random, > *because* you are hashing. Not in FreeBSD, it's a 256bit PRNG and a 256 bit hash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 16:42:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728D3106571B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011B48FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:42:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3823994ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7WcYshwLxZuJrJiX077n80tuAs4KuSMCwjE7gY2WXxc=; b=rtb0ZVkB0a34rVRz1ylFofMOKgW3Z3iv7bIvALwm+fQldDg/XNKzgN9pXhlv6ZoKHE pLQqphLD+LxCWjoAVX7zarzjQPRrq10kG5rDwQ4RZfIgBR04AD+lIzBu6wgGSQrBJ55+ 4Vsal4rX3RRF9tSkEofMPQ0yfA6foz4k+bufA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZPqnsPsxXRGvzoea8kETcdsWADZhOEh4i5ac4EuXv6Nkfk7i/9P0bX7FgjGlDM/ROY I+qPg1xONNBL9xAdYdgS8jOJ4bM2ngDHyh7OlnxGOPZt2HCNsNxQY39BWhXNrZPTHKxs RzqUUm+4ZdZLVh5D3t7W6mUGapJk3mRyty1lA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.89.7 with SMTP id m7mr6869382ebb.14.1249404142862; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090804173939.598a224f@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <200908032220.50964.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090804173939.598a224f@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:42:22 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908040942t6f7934detdeb7b138623eb884@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:42:25 -0000 As I understand it I would have to double the length of a hashed password for it to be as secure as an un-hashed one, as each pair of characters represent one byte. Aye? -Modulok- On 8/4/09, RW wrote: > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:50 -0800 > Mel Flynn wrote: > >> On Monday 03 August 2009 18:28:52 Modulok wrote: >> >> > I wrote a python script which uses /dev/random, and hashes the >> > output with sha256. I then truncate the output to the desired >> > length. Blasphemy! According to the superstitious password crowd my >> > passwords are not very secure ... maybe. >> >> They aren't, because you reduce the random to a much less random, >> *because* you are hashing. > > Not in FreeBSD, it's a 256bit PRNG and a 256 bit hash. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 16:42:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370F3106580B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58528FC16 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-ew0-f206.google.com with SMTP id 2so3823994ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:42:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WYidCVD7YcCasgjxG6uU9A1/0CoFx03RAkHjDxMVB8s=; b=paqf83+Mbw6EyUfGulxtOMsKHNQcKCsjALxvRiHYRyTorD326s75uaA5QX9phFGBaj svVtcW6wkvxPJC9xES4XJ5d1kyLuil/L320POn4s/cZLaAhFjbEqPzIaFwDrg3yhF20M oXPa1E4sbtEPdGBb8O/sxO4eqTjoTQn8W57/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cdQv3slAYcp3Et5G7GW1zb3U/WNwQ88caJDFV7tGT5V3u876AKbJ36M0hVOfgSuare kxLa0bOpdaGavKPxrImlx8FjaQidHJsXj4GwyRwKOnfQTXOKXNH2hFgmhZbURq72n1ky 7XuLWPKhdXT2skPbZ5QBflE53ZDhN/FqVbyoE= Received: by 10.211.180.15 with SMTP id h15mr8898186ebp.40.1249403675641; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2779185eyg.35.2009.08.04.09.34.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:34:31 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804173431.52698379@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:42:56 -0000 On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:28:52 -0600 Modulok wrote: > However, wouldn't hashing bytes from /dev/random be quite secure? The > hash function would cover any readily apparent patterns, if they were > found to existed. That's fine, the only issue is that hex digits lead to long passwords for a given stength. Most password generators are OK, provided that they ultimately derive a sufficiently strong seed from /dev/random and don't do anything stupid, this includes things like jot, which uses the arc4random library. The main problem is that there are still a few generators around, IIRC sysutils/pwgen is one, that still seed from the time and the pid, so I wouldn't use a generator unless I'd seen the source. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 17:19:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911A21065676 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CF58FC19 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3850827ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ujaIp9D2Z9NgJwau0pIaz5hhBss1MJKo6aqQZW+WRPU=; b=KROlSGwWZl4vOgF2735ZTXkFz4HlyYmRpfTbecRnaRq7hiDwSqKjo7tlEoeYkXgKHX d6TPeoeESh5NHi0Os8fYrsbdDupg6JV84vl52Q/0biGJeoNE5O+oyZMw8nygKiKpi9+e IHMax9iCsBW1Xi/SsmUACei5DMugGYpypztDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tlmflUcRiwN0l9xt6cI9FJyL/TxTwRSQqF05KOJ727hf/wkIKVRFwrf4RvM1nPfR3t 23vmB8on0+L8FpGa7yH7uVDDS2TIBEKsYCdKOV8y9mg/l5p4rHKIpRoWqnI3srRYcesf i+R6+yxvA+5xMw0CHqktFSo97MwbS1+saxv2c= Received: by 10.210.86.1 with SMTP id j1mr9169975ebb.27.1249406376007; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm3757387eyz.21.2009.08.04.10.19.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:19:32 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804181932.35562195@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <64c038660908040942t6f7934detdeb7b138623eb884@mail.gmail.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <200908032220.50964.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090804173939.598a224f@gumby.homeunix.com> <64c038660908040942t6f7934detdeb7b138623eb884@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:19:38 -0000 On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:42:22 -0600 Modulok wrote: > As I understand it I would have to double the length of a hashed > password for it to be as secure as an un-hashed one, as each pair of > characters represent one byte. Aye? I wouldn't put it quite like that, it's the hexadecimal representation that puts one bytes into two characters not the hashing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 17:43:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218341065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF448FC18 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CDFD234D45C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:43:41 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:43:41 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:43:54 -0000 I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: _7_BP _7_2_BP _7_2_0_RELEASE _7_2 But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! # uname -a 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 To synchronize src do I use: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? or do I need to use something like: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2 Where can I find some explanation on this? Thanks in advance David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 18:32:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5641065672 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6AD8FC14 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MYOo5-0008Bo-JU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:32:18 +0000 Received: from pool-71-166-145-103.washdc.east.verizon.net ([71.166.145.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:32:17 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-166-145-103.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:32:17 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:32:19 -0400 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-166-145-103.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:32:20 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > _7_BP > _7_2_BP > _7_2_0_RELEASE > _7_2 > > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! > > > # uname -a > > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > To synchronize src do I use: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore > keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? > Yes. RELENG_7_2 is the security patched update of Release. The -p2 means there have been two security patches applied to the source code. The actual release (RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE) is static and will never change. The only thing that changes with _7_2 is the addition/inclusion of the patches you see in the security announcements. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 18:38:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF59C106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f217.google.com (mail-gx0-f217.google.com [209.85.217.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56D98FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by gxk17 with SMTP id 17so6418357gxk.19 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=F4ztGRov8ssF1cS+GDikjgi+4VY/AMNcAu/kncelU3U=; b=pI6PNldEwcz1eJihWOTxmiSF3NyJrxYzaLXSeVfTu7K+k5J4sFNQTzP370C8ljJtND tLFKY1sai0t3W9vegoKBRHg05duLk+0Y20hNpaHNjKkRcYxIAIYoLnwZjt2CSxyejVpJ gRZKNaVQicHKNb3morkRG8r+2GMAsDAtfsZro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TdE7AgH5Cux+d3Bv50vvD9cF1L1AlUCBfl3Cum/rLwBbVH8iQTBEh8NLhBmcMHXYhI J2OFlxhFD+ZEHrPFpOLh9bCKQxhGnLEOR0KAdy05yMaWw3MJMFzqqe0TCEsfcxSWVSkH V7bfrAnXZ8R08hlh1N0VnqXpqVamDHS9oFYQ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.112.3 with SMTP id p3mr9204855ybm.174.1249411127851; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4a77db85.YjBDPg0yifmYRuT9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> <4a77db85.YjBDPg0yifmYRuT9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0908041138g253b9dctcc0827f91f21c862@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: glen.j.barber@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, joel@vnode.se Subject: Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:38:49 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:56 AM, wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Joel Dahl wrote: > > [snip description of network flakiness on one server, out > of several on the same switch behind the same gateway] > > > > Any ideas? :-) > > > > > I have 2: > > 1.) Bad NIC > > 2.) Bad CPU > > 3. Bad cable from NIC to switch > 4. Bad switch port > > These may not be all that likely, but they're easy to test if > you have even a marginally-competent tech available at the site. > > I had similar behavior about a years ago. I also had a not very frequent( < once a week) sporadic reboot issue during it. I replaced the RAM and it's not had the issue anymore. I may have rebuilt world too... -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:01:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B54E106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FB48FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2033534D420; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:01:09 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nightrecon@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:01:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908042001.08970.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:01:10 -0000 > David Southwell wrote: > > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. > > > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > > > _7_BP > > _7_2_BP > > _7_2_0_RELEASE > > _7_2 > > > > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! > > > > > > # uname -a > > > > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 > > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > > > To synchronize src do I use: > > > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 > > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore > > keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? > > Yes. RELENG_7_2 is the security patched update of Release. The -p2 means > there have been two security patches applied to the source code. The actual > release (RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE) is static and will never change. The only > thing that changes with _7_2 is the addition/inclusion of the patches you > see in the security announcements. > > -Mike > > > Thanks for being helpful.. it might be useful if these designations appeared somewhere in the documentation-- but I guess there is enough for people to do!!! From what you are saying using *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 will work for me Thanks again David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:07:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972421065670 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220BE8FC0A for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3101122bwz.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=y4LuUbJddpDlkAKgAEBwN9VvURmKsvZHceUedLFFy5M=; b=vlNPfBorTYeQ0PtTYKJmj8IDQbK2WM8j0JPf+ZBF5l9+/VNln2eqk8S2/AKSUiuBym i8nUmwjJplYzCCp7cM7RgkiyJdl9fraFPdGZn1qC0swMO2OocGUfoPKvu8eJXSxc4z4I WvZ7WhFujcU1C6OuxEVUi5ia1UaFeEyk7iPvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=isWNztu83rhMOP6eJ8jUmuH85AbwDR7siiGdEf0PgsFiLvGfTbozHXjZTEDR4zUNQX AViKsSjFCjXGMeD4KZfaGAue7AMeTqNcO9KxA3ExIOrvgnta0xo/kRGD4p0/12DZLOC4 FgFJ8Ww1sa+XVaxW2XR0CBrObeEL/8pKPHFPE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.120.67 with SMTP id c3mr3404885far.15.1249412840906; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:07:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> References: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:07:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041207u1f57800cu70f4f66afed2b19b@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: David Southwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:07:22 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote= : > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > _7_BP > _7_2_BP BP ? > _7_2_0_RELEASE Should be RELENG. Don't blindly follow how-tos. > _7_2 > > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > > # uname -a > > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC =A0amd64 > > To synchronize src do I use: > > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_7_2 > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 =A0and therefore = keep > track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? > > or > do I need to use something like: > > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_7_2-p2 > No. Read the link I posted above. > Where can I find some explanation on this? > > Thanks in advance > --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:28:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6F81065731 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721F38FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180052205.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.52.205]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1MYPgb36GY-000bVY; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:28:37 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYPgb-0005Sj-7p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:28:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:28:37 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804192837.GA20793@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FE1FupjYbNxn0mYjIrKXuS+L8sCrwlzJRFoa S6Cih3LHi6tjHHS8agp9nTD+8VvPFTChBpk+J5737DeW7h7iPM oAB6gwfbHkhg/L8FJTukuOAnvUUS7pI Subject: Re: Moused crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:28:40 -0000 Hi, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: > Hi, > > an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble > here. My primary problem is: I restart the mouse daemon and then I > can move the mouse only for a short distance; suddenly the mouse > freezes. > > To analyze the problem I do the following: > > # /etc/rc.d/moused restart > # dd if=/dev/sysmouse bs=4 | xxd -c 4 > ... > 0000048: 87 . > 18+1 records in > 18+1 records out > 73 bytes transferred in 21.774484 secs (3 bytes/sec) > # > > You see: dd stops without reporting an error. Obviously the moused > doesn't work properly any more. In the meantime I learned that there is /dev/bpsm0 and I wrote a litte Ruby script that reads /dev/psm0. Both devices refuse to supply anything after a very short period of time. What could this be? Thanks in advance. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:53:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FE6106571B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A328FC23 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n74JGcUk007256 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:16:56 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:53:24 -0000 Until late Sunday night I was here at keyboard/computer virtually 24/7 working on thesis. So was my advisor, but then that's his *job*. Anyway, now it's wait and see. Meanwhile: how do I get rid of a truckload of old binaries that I rarely/never use? Most show a list of dependencies that's about 70 lines long, and I don't want to break things. --To give a ferinstance, last spring I installed every OCR port we've got. Not came close; all can go. thanks for some lights! gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:54:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD8F1066220 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428058FC18 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so3954676ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PaUByF58fPjyUSFOsLb+ajl8Vf048LdE7SC76vlGMNc=; b=qkio74pWHxyg22IrvnSk8y8wFJO17lajdtNL1HO62s8QSm5CS5qCtowcD9mesz7IVC gj3B2QKSi+1EeWCHxi9ks86fXAN0etagYU7xt5VTCJW51SZmrS16PDDdOqgM0cm+IIWA B8oUawO2ZfOdypcnH7HPgy8wbE98/zXqTrLv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bW0XXGJ4IDC0zTjs+tklEUc42+XPVs9hkd+6st1uVDqIp+6qRMYhinPAMLkHiNyVLO a4WWQLSCFrqOGC0r50V1RiSSBTcd7jvRoqOc2yE5pEKX5wgwgq6LLngOrnTqBJbwbccB dRXHRoaEZAeE3gSgYbPIa2bq1pYlIR+cCuoh4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.15.68 with SMTP id e46mr1548195wee.225.1249415695071; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:54:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:54:57 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: >On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote: >> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. >> >> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: >> >> _7_BP >> _7_2_BP > >BP ? > It is the "branchpoint" tag, made when a release branch is first created: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html It is not documented in most places because it is primarily of interest to developers. >> _7_2_0_RELEASE > >Should be RELENG. Don't blindly follow how-tos. > RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag. Don't make pronouncements if you haven't verified them. >> _7_2 >> >> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! >> > >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html More to the point is the following page in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 20:32:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC6E106567D for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E26F8FC29 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:32:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2163493fxm.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dkTuII1lchcz7iCbcvX9nm7yYS9El1PFu+wXkdlyMhA=; b=lLNRpKYH5zL40/OI+VnAUFOa8Terwtn9x5dbYm/5/ZBxrVY2qdIHwKABCjsPqacFoV CHNVDmhEYeo72DTf5CAZgFAky15KA3FLk9LXBlcOHY+eXSu0kGMX0OEtkosSPP8sDWOw pgRDZAXfYqrUInd47qiAfVMuwPalqLWXNAuqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q/54WPQoyig+v9ij0klQ8duIGeLu2gnRKtZbHIoEssMb8Pk5DQhSyYgb6taXGIB6Aa KzIG5pEv2mlYyH059XaKPPRtsmPzbDOSQEYAPJjWeXIMXoa4hD5Iy5UK/xH3mI5hcDH5 UlVAoQA6rH7T3rPc1TwbKWPWxcUvfU8yELZH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.112.6 with SMTP id u6mr190598fap.30.1249417974386; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> References: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041332y759f15edx62d93ee887d1237b@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:32:56 -0000 Hi, Gary On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Until late Sunday night I was here at keyboard/computer vi= rtually > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A024/7 working on thesis. =A0So was my advisor, but then tha= t's his > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0*job*. =A0Anyway, now it's wait and see. > Such is academia. :-) > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Meanwhile: how do I get rid of a truckload of old binaries= that I > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0rarely/never use? =A0Most show a list of dependencies that= 's about > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A070 lines long, and I don't want to break things. > ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves may be what you're looking for. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--To give a ferinstance, last spring I installed every OCR= port > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0we've got. =A0Not came close; all can go. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0thanks for some lights! > --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 20:34:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F8010656F4 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A668FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3143588bwz.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6HCBwflDd+cRAF9GkkMl6GkwrOYLlUghP1BysY63Aks=; b=YrhyGtHV9hfvjWP8WK3BCi8+Jn2HUkxZsCuZE30URslV67i5FlAO7pV41D7SBKa8Q1 HnEoRnFvXfEKwAm5YtspVuIR0wIKIKeIBYPR9Mv6JaDn1df5U3PazqwmzDRJVqyTN0l0 UIo5jjPKej8qyaWNIJxkymVfVpChHRDqXE8EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qEO1yzOt9aa/3xgM9STA4FO9o3IP1W7XEuhsgk5zVuH8T2heNBdCN9CS7n1ryuI1OV SIpblPXSNvUEAZkwIc7U6B5gHIjJhiyzFvJIJgc9/IV6pSbit7/G+7SIrn4M4gr4TJqH 8XG3o4vrZ89hFzD5+hURDGnIB0X3Q8VRrOSF4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.108.210 with SMTP id g18mr571383fap.65.1249418068268; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:34:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041334k43cb70e2t572276edcf0caee7@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: "b. f." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:34:31 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:54 PM, b. f. wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: >>On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell = wrote: >>> I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. >>> >>> I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: >>> >>> _7_BP >>> _7_2_BP >> >>BP ? >> > > It is the "branchpoint" tag, made when a release branch is first created: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.h= tml > I see. Noted. > It is not documented in most places because it is primarily of > interest to developers. > >>> _7_2_0_RELEASE >> >>Should be RELENG. =A0Don't blindly follow how-tos. >> > > RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag. =A0Don't make pronouncements if you > haven't verified them. > He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. >>> _7_2 >>> >>> But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! >>> >> >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html > > More to the point is the following page in the handbook: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html > --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 20:53:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD30710656BC for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D918FC16 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:51330 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MYR0D-0001aN-3v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:52:59 +0200 Received: (qmail 16010 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 4 Aug 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Received: (qmail 89753 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Aug 2009 22:52:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:52:54 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Glen Barber Message-ID: <20090804205254.GA89738@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> <4ad871310908041207u1f57800cu70f4f66afed2b19b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908041207u1f57800cu70f4f66afed2b19b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MYR0D-0001aN-3v. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MYR0D-0001aN-3v 4420b9482a22251cc1312275e2b02fe5 Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:53:17 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 03:07:20PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wro= te: > > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. > > > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > > > _7_BP > > _7_2_BP >=20 > BP ? BP =3D Branch Point. It is a tag which marks the place where the corresponding branch was created. >=20 > > _7_2_0_RELEASE >=20 > Should be RELENG. Don't blindly follow how-tos. >=20 > > _7_2 > > > > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! > > >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html >=20 > > > > # uname -a > > > > 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 > > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC =A0amd64 > > > > To synchronize src do I use: > > > > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_7_2 > > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 =A0and therefor= e keep > > track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? > > > > or > > do I need to use something like: > > > > *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_7_2-p2 > > >=20 > No. Read the link I posted above. >=20 > > Where can I find some explanation on this? > > > > Thanks in advance > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Glen Barber > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:02:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE7B1065691 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:02:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9B88FC2C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBD97E821 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:02:51 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:02:50 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A77EDEF.4020806@mapper.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908041302.50544.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: ftps ?(off-topic) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:02:55 -0000 On Tuesday 04 August 2009 00:14:39 Mark Stapper wrote: > It would be nice to hear more "she-calling" on these lists though... > So maybe mailing list etiquette should state anyone posting to a mailing > list should be referred to as "she" like we do with boats.... and > institutions like the court... (well in dutch we do...) > However, Frederique should imply the person who started this thread is > female. OK, that grew out of proportion real quick. The number of knowledgeable actively posting females on this list is very low, which is why I think we should cherish them, like an endangered species (or ladies if you will). No need to go overboard :) -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:05:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C39C106566C for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531128FC15 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2032256and.13 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=77vS75FSBymY+OXagM13QSk5J9Em0AYMQk/5G0PhGBE=; b=J7YaWD7uWPea4PyXLsHUgkS/QS8f5nHVCyr1XR1nFeniITp0tTdn/kFjXgdT6UEw1e UnuLycoaqD0JqT71a9oZORy6+zdNc0lN2WXFtYiXxOgyJZBSzyzZXkrvAqh/QoiRo872 Fdm2//yNxJ2VQ72qXJB6HQj+wljGwwuoELu1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=OxKoi2+PTJ8N1k/PySLxxv5kEhiI3lJ11823AN08i94345YmIqieLzUBIngFzKpyht etEntJt4i5MpuyIQtVbvv2VvCP+yiQqxuAA1PqftmBIMXavReopNoo+kpf+IfnuirFzY TsC+xaHHsrd2HxdlKrgPZWme5vz/HpF22N/gw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.249.5 with SMTP id w5mr10588150anh.28.1249419952576; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:05:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> References: <1323617427.513901249318108621.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:05:52 -0500 Message-ID: <970380130908041405x3064f4fet84205e078245f67d@mail.gmail.com> From: Jason Garrett To: Tim Gustafson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:05:53 -0000 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:48, Tim Gustafson wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if there was a plan or time line in place to support ZFS > boot partitions in the installer. I Googled around a bit and found some > how-to documents for setting it up in a hacky kind of way, but the > impression I got is that support for ZFS partitions is coming to the > installer in perhaps 7.3 or 8.0, and I wanted to confirm or dispel that myth > before I go forward using the hacky method. I wouldn't recommend using zfs at all right now, unless you want random crashes and lots of missing data.. ESPECIALLY in 8.0,1,2 versions. Just my 2 cents... > > > Thanks! > > Tim Gustafson > Baskin School of Engineering > UC Santa Cruz > tjg@soe.ucsc.edu > 831-459-5354 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:08:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEC81065674 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6A88FC19 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BC7E818 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:08:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:08:36 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200908041843.41785.david@vizion2000.net> <4ad871310908041207u1f57800cu70f4f66afed2b19b@mail.gmail.com> <20090804205254.GA89738@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20090804205254.GA89738@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908041308.36616.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:08:38 -0000 On Tuesday 04 August 2009 12:52:54 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 03:07:20PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:43 PM, David Southwell wrote: > > > I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. > > > > > > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > > > > > _7_BP > > > _7_2_BP > > > > BP ? > > BP = Branch Point. It is a tag which marks the place where the > corresponding branch was created. And for developers or interesting parties, one can create cvs diff using -rRELENG_7_2_BP -rRELENG_7_2_RELEASE to see how many fixes hit the tree during the final release stage. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:11:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CB8106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B091D8FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so43903eyd.7 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tPrIixjfL+VFaVIjLT5V05Z7SzfmXoNY7xE7iKzw8Ns=; b=A63aE6t+juL+sUa3ALohK/H7xBq1UKPVv5UnsTMOUenXARWYW/Efq/xOrTJdgWba0s fBzJHYNzuOL8NVG7Wzzj4slMZQgCcoGleRZy7tGZYubUbKE+RbZpK511H73cksiHOMPB nPxiY7CzHk9D2L+84IYBojTam0zKIoGg86akI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bHf3GdmqSmYYCPTtzROFr3y5FSEpqpFe5OZ1OoueqIUMxSxI4eBXDmELI2QHiPG6sH pMQ5NRmkABKZG4mJM7TCH3eB8NBX4U8nxrwpxurnzJmd3BbblfrupN6XLbts2NuD/v0Z pmmBn2GuunbpASGKA5YiGtqm1CbDwJHKVVYBY= Received: by 10.210.52.15 with SMTP id z15mr9249656ebz.34.1249420286734; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm439054eyb.7.2009.08.04.14.11.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:11:24 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804221124.585f58c4@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908041332y759f15edx62d93ee887d1237b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> <4ad871310908041332y759f15edx62d93ee887d1237b@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:11:28 -0000 On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:32:54 -0400 Glen Barber wrote: =20 > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Meanwhile: how do I get rid of a truckload of old binari= es > > that I rarely/never use? =A0Most show a list of dependencies that's > > about 70 lines long, and I don't want to break things. > > >=20 > ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves may be what you're looking for. Or "portmanager -slid" which is a bit easier to use for a one-off cleanup, and also understands build-dependencies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:32:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303A0106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53D08FC12 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so46333eyd.7 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ptmFL6Awr+2uOQgpR1KvprLPgc6WWbTPMH+V6U3bcM=; b=b5OjcCh5xU22xmdzcdfGXDFQ4MJ/67qHxUi7e3JHIHAVlGz9LnMqNyw1fSX1T7Pow+ qGuJJEdd45r+oI0IZUwRvhKYf/ChhLntLIiFDYjQ9JtqnjreKSyW2cvdl1FB7Jmpuw+C O7xpye+XynaQpJGcAKgqcVgm4JMzRUzb5Hgc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lI9mO0AazxzwRZM8QoB8k37jQC6r/F9mJ7C88KDaDf1yUzMGbZ4gg43FXr11vt2ChP ZsO6fNy2njm0aQgeP8RkTCDIa9FwK+N7L8Y4rsyQtLpjcKAeZ4QwoSYo6r3mnLVYez3J DFLqsNdU+HHoxS7WYEiOTopqe7FOF2FeodgY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.73.193 with SMTP id v43mr1534483wed.157.1249421527644; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:32:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908041334k43cb70e2t572276edcf0caee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ad871310908041334k43cb70e2t572276edcf0caee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:32:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:32:09 -0000 On 8/4/09, Glen Barber wrote: >> >>>> _7_2_0_RELEASE >>> >>>Should be RELENG. Don't blindly follow how-tos. >>> >> >> RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE is a valid tag. Don't make pronouncements if you >> haven't verified them. >> > > He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. Well, neither actually. :) s/0_2/2_0/ . But I inferred from the context -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted for the sake of brevity. I assumed you also made this inference. ... Mel Flynn wrote: > >And for developers or interesting parties, one can create cvs diff using >-rRELENG_7_2_BP -rRELENG_7_2_RELEASE to see how many fixes hit the tree during >the final release stage. How many "interesting parties" have you been to, Mel, where such a listing came in handy? ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:37:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684CC106570F for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:37:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88028FC13 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n74LbdG3072541; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:37:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 98315BA8D; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:37:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:37:39 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20090804213739.GA31410@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804191653.GA10415@thought.org> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:37:42 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 12:16:56PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > Until late Sunday night I was here at keyboard/computer virtually > 24/7 working on thesis. So was my advisor, but then that's his > *job*. Anyway, now it's wait and see. Good luck! > Meanwhile: how do I get rid of a truckload of old binaries that I > rarely/never use? Most show a list of dependencies that's about > 70 lines long, and I don't want to break things. >=20 > --To give a ferinstance, last spring I installed every OCR port > we've got. Not came close; all can go. What you can do is make a list of all installed ports with ports-mgmt/portm= aster: portmaster -L >ports.list Looking through this list, you'll see four categories; - Root ports (No dependencies, not depended on) - Trunk ports (No dependencies, are depended on) - Branch ports (Have dependencies, are depended on) - Leaf ports (Have dependencies, not depended on) Basically, you can delete any of the leaf and root ports, because they're not depended on. E.g. if you have the following in your list as a leaf port: =3D=3D=3D>>> qemu-0.10.6 you can execute 'pkg_delete -d qemu-0.10.6' as root, and it is gone. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp4qiMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUGWgCgqTcl6EXBqPlpg68hvUxGucmb h+kAn1Bnb7VwA0X3VemuV8dQQ1QiB+/K =BY3S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:52:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D263B106566B for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from mail.vnode.se (mail.vnode.se [62.119.52.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7E08FC18 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from iMac.local (pgw.vnode.se [77.110.37.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 89EAAE9F42C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A78ADB4.7@vnode.se> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:52:52 +0200 From: Joel Dahl User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> <4a77db85.YjBDPg0yifmYRuT9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <6201873e0908041138g253b9dctcc0827f91f21c862@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0908041138g253b9dctcc0827f91f21c862@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: glen.j.barber@gmail.com, perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: [Solved] Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:52:56 -0000 Adam Vande More skrev: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:56 AM, wrote: > >> Glen Barber wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Joel Dahl wrote: >> [snip description of network flakiness on one server, out >> of several on the same switch behind the same gateway] >> >>>> Any ideas? :-) >>>> >>> I have 2: >>> 1.) Bad NIC >>> 2.) Bad CPU >> 3. Bad cable from NIC to switch >> 4. Bad switch port >> >> These may not be all that likely, but they're easy to test if >> you have even a marginally-competent tech available at the site. >> >> I had similar behavior about a years ago. I also had a not very frequent( > < once a week) sporadic reboot issue during it. I replaced the RAM and it's > not had the issue anymore. I may have rebuilt world too... The on-site techs ran the Dell diagnostics tests and the Broadcom test (for the NIC) but was unable to find any hw errors. So, they finally replaced the cable and connected it to another switch port. And now everything seems to be working. I've been doing some tests for a few hours, but I can't get the machine to crap out again. Looking good so far... :-) -- Joel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:56:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCED21065675 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478008FC19 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3178358bwz.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=t9lDVePxOZrJ8nZZ0lILXfVwvxHC2ZoV2MR2huEJQzc=; b=DZv34ak+FqXVpTNv+goBWRPQAj9qK4Jh5o+qsRcWxfCp+3mSeWb6cZPQMG9SCU2NuB H76zIcMmT4iFWZu/3moX5jCwfSo3oxeV68hrn5y/THZQy5zJpv2RAkxZEDH8COemzAif iM31fj7h4JDf/6Z2M5YzLYBd6utFdxy17hjCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pq2xQK3k0lY5Rjb76uXWlNT//8qeizDnJc4TB6jZ9h3WD9b+YOJ0zEd2uanW5io4v7 iOugvFvg5zpDDVBizRZg4GmxY/N4+XSiCo/lrGYT0diyCtI89dJehpu+PkXVcdDfuX+8 uVBeleM0DOrgG7NhhC3814r9aKPSfnTDy2oaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr1329423fao.44.1249422993249; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310908041334k43cb70e2t572276edcf0caee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: "b. f." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:56:35 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote: >> >> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. > > Well, neither actually. =A0:) =A0 s/0_2/2_0/ =A0. =A0But I inferred from = the > context =A0-- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later > -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted > for the sake of brevity. =A0I assumed you also made this inference. > Agreed, but IMHO, it's better to be precise and not assume too much. :-) --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 21:57:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877F610656A9 for ; 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b=qSjpCcXnwGK0kBk23/lbv0BEOFach9lj2Gx3LLZ0KdWVqQBPV/ZccEU/aV0pIhtMpm zhRa4f4zXn2uIB3dq2BxAen8aPyZSNH9wEA6EKObs4iUwBLqAQ+C+i8RxSGEIrfcmKTT NQxINhLDmBEuM+zvhScxaR2oWFVDSerIKYWGM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.112.6 with SMTP id u6mr210123fap.30.1249423061076; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A78ADB4.7@vnode.se> References: <4A7753A0.7040006@vnode.se> <4ad871310908031553i7c69708fv9d162514816c3e10@mail.gmail.com> <4a77db85.YjBDPg0yifmYRuT9%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <6201873e0908041138g253b9dctcc0827f91f21c862@mail.gmail.com> <4A78ADB4.7@vnode.se> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:57:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041457t284e7977y500ac789740b2190@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Joel Dahl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Solved] Re: Weird networking issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:57:43 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Joel Dahl wrote: > And now everything seems to be working. =A0I've been doing some tests for= a > few hours, but I can't get the machine to crap out again. =A0Looking good= so > far... :-) > Good to hear. :-) --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 22:00:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45046106568D for ; 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b=NoSSwM4PFLJLQLyDxhMtzdKQFr4j5zIw6HsXGYGLgjMKC39t0TnQQBi2eycuO92eOe VL9aObTHBTCJluqUevhM0qT+MPtasWglS0ePWNQ5mR7ipNd2vD4ubN1Q832J7YhpQwZ+ xpQZpkuR+Fwq8RwODwmFcmiCiwPBb2oHogURk= Received: by 10.210.115.15 with SMTP id n15mr7275522ebc.2.1249423233756; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm1024234eyx.13.2009.08.04.15.00.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:00:30 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804230030.5e3aa49c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090803223427.511879f2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090803223427.511879f2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:00:36 -0000 On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:34:27 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: > Modulok wrote: > > > > I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all > > about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing > > something... > > You could just use apg ... it's in the ports. By the look of it this was originally DES-based, and was upgraded to use CAST or SHA1. However the seeding from /dev/random seems to have been left at 64 bits (the DES blocksize) plus some extra from gettimeofday(). In practice it's probably good enough, it just seems a bit lame. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 22:37:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DFA1065676 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F5D8FC08 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:37:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so4055416ewy.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tbbPMXvhkaAz1YtzsyM9NuCz35xanlZeGnbimaJ33XE=; b=pt68LJu6oD5+ybMhAmWhd/Ds23IXUWVa1OZC1YbY7LZG9Ns6YCFpjQ+GY+y2tfstUh u4ce1wVuUiXqhKf3TlByp/7tHjfw+QT+PnQHfZ1uHaz2qqzoK9WuhWvnIZzmaxqhGaiz U3FoxPLP1MNENRKhkQ0BOeCkS7hLIOPsRfbgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fqWfHzaNVpnWlHYD2BgDpqL7+5LXZwaf8vP36BmTu7TKY0pdkyNrf0xdbGeQR1Llzw 5fjY36iY+YCAN+tLMxBHVko+rtgLm6LFfWPD7Dh5KbiPzxpSBShbJ+AWuX2d75VWMctJ olJhxnoTDtVl16HdoMJjEmgYaeNVIYZ/VQraY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.21.205 with SMTP id r55mr1579541wer.175.1249425466574; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:37:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:37:48 -0000 Roland Smith wrote: >What you can do is make a list of all installed ports with ports-mgmt/portmaster: > portmaster -L >ports.list > >Looking through this list, you'll see four categories; >- Root ports (No dependencies, not depended on) >- Trunk ports (No dependencies, are depended on) >- Branch ports (Have dependencies, are depended on) >- Leaf ports (Have dependencies, not depended on) > >Basically, you can delete any of the leaf and root ports, because >they're not depended on. E.g. if you have the following in your list as >a leaf port: > ===>>> qemu-0.10.6 >you can execute 'pkg_delete -d qemu-0.10.6' as root, and it is gone. If you're only interested in deletion, "-l" should be preferred to "-L". And portmaster with these flags does not always account for build dependencies. so with this method you may occasionally remove a port that is only used to build other ports, but is not a runtime dependency of any other port. Also, occasionally a port Makefile doesn't properly account for some dependencies, and removing them will break the port. So there may be some breakages that you'll have to fix, but this shouldn't happen often. When removing ports, I sometimes use pkg_deinstall -vR, sometimes also with -i. because it can clean out the now-unneeded dependencies of the port I'm removing, which speeds up this process. Provided your pkgdb and portsdb are up-to-date, it's a little better than portmaster -s, which relies on +REQUIRED_BY to detect stale dependencies, and may occasionally fail. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 00:01:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9646B106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD368FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481BC10080B9; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3JSGwkHNLFg; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2940C10080B5; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Gustafson To: Jason Garrett Message-ID: <1673429939.562991249430468086.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> In-Reply-To: <970380130908041405x3064f4fet84205e078245f67d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [128.114.49.22] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL5_64) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Boot Support from Installer X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:01:08 -0000 > I wouldn't recommend using zfs at all right now, unless you want > random crashes and lots of missing data.. ESPECIALLY in 8.0,1,2 > versions. I'm using 7.2 at the moment with a standard UFS2 boot partition and a 500GB ZFS pool. My ZFS pool actually seems pretty stable. I did a "make -j 16 buildworld buildkernel installkernel installworld" using it as my /usr/src and /usr/obj and it performed beautifully. At the time I did that, it was configured as just a RAIDZ. I've since changed that to RAIDZ2, but I haven't beaten it up yet, so I don't know if there's a difference between the stability of RAIDZ and RAIDZ2. Tim Gustafson Baskin School of Engineering UC Santa Cruz tjg@soe.ucsc.edu 831-459-5354 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:06:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03607106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81758FC1B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from [10.129.40.202] (216.106.12.14.reverse.socket.net [216.106.12.14]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9681E60657 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:06:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:06:59 -0000 I am sure this is something I am doing that is obviously wrong, but I cannot figure it out. I am reading a list of directories from a file, and then listing all of the files in the directory to a file. Here is the code. #!/usr/local/bin/bash cat ${FILELIST} | while read LINE do echo ${LINE} `find ${LINE} -type f >> ${TMPFILE}` done Here is the output. /usr/home/windowsaccess find: illegal option -- t find: illegal option -- y find: illegal option -- p find: illegal option -- e find: f: No such file or directory Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:17:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C0C106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123118FC14 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286F17E818 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:17:18 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:17:17 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> In-Reply-To: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908041717.17286.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:17:19 -0000 On Tuesday 04 August 2009 17:06:56 Jay Hall wrote: > I am sure this is something I am doing that is obviously wrong, but I > cannot figure it out. > > I am reading a list of directories from a file, and then listing all > of the files in the directory to a file. > > Here is the code. > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash > cat ${FILELIST} | while read LINE > do [ -z "${LINE}" ] && continue > echo ${LINE} > `find ${LINE} -type f >> ${TMPFILE}` > done > > Here is the output. > /usr/home/windowsaccess > ^^^^ empty line -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:23:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274E1065673 for ; 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Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C935D8FC20 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so2260843fxm.43 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:27:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jj0Djaf1pFmWkN/S2fzracZipW7xexfHP+Ogdr/PWg0=; b=xHmgXoF7Py13lLGICN6mVd08ywoawuw1anriwaUEvoaCd5FT3Icx3D95BMtHVnFN/T lWkCjg1DdH7rqa31GtPsAVqEyLdIuNEsXj64ysDHc4dJpSAODzgXXHfHYrMMIm5my7v4 8N23wPOyuajUFyX1JWRA96ZntDc3Nb3mlCOIE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Bo+GU381Er+t63a+0CP6ixjny5/sZXL5bKEC4opFArUQ5hyz1HXAFrq3saKPPCcadK aiSQzXyC0ulsd7U7RhqtpEQXMsRnDrZ5mvyR2z1vYD5TEnW+ctegt3Osom77ZXl3EmKG xvhPu727STiQ73z+2jTc+4mFXQSpIllGciXyc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.115.12 with SMTP id g12mr3448083faq.92.1249435620741; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:27:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EE@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EE@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:27:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908041827oa2e97dfl5efde2d54f0a7bde@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:27:03 -0000 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > What is "-type" supposed to do? I've never used it before, never needed it. > Gary, -type allows different types of files to be located -- 'f' - regular file, 'd' - directory, 'l' - link, etc. Have a look at find(1) for more info. Regards, -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:41:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC13B106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EE58FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from [10.129.40.202] (216.106.12.14.reverse.socket.net [216.106.12.14]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0A55F3AA; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:41:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <704F22C8-2EC3-4B7D-AF7B-8418902EF08E@socket.net> From: Jay Hall To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EE@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:41:22 -0500 References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EE@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:41:26 -0000 > What is "-type" supposed to do? I've never used it before, never > needed it. > > Type is used to specify the type of file to be found. f is a regular file. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 01:55:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BBA1065674 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB6D8FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:55:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n751t4S8023197; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:55:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A127610DB02; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9E210DAE3; 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Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8648FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180052205.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.52.205]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt2u-1MYW1t2VGy-000cnk; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:15:01 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYW1t-0007CB-1q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:15:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:15:00 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090805021500.GA27626@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> <20090804192837.GA20793@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804192837.GA20793@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+MLxTh/VIoj6zPW/HcjFKufhJTA67O/FsOCZ4 0wZluXpigxwf52hHJ9SjhFswHplb8uKdsxjqk4I1rdcA5dEg2b KgyP2P9S41L0/Q/HAduWIpAvDLCOGVR4+fIV9csvLM= Subject: Re: Moused crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:15:03 -0000 Hi, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 21:28:37 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: > Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: > > Hi, > > > > an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble > > here. My primary problem is: I restart the mouse daemon and then I > > can move the mouse only for a short distance; suddenly the mouse > > freezes. > > In the meantime I learned that there is /dev/bpsm0 and I wrote a > litte Ruby script that reads /dev/psm0. Both devices refuse to > supply anything after a very short period of time. Hello, anybody there? Could at least someone point me to a documentation how to debug the psm kernel device? Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 02:38:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C20106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319458FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from [10.129.40.202] (216.106.12.14.reverse.socket.net [216.106.12.14]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB3C6019C; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:38:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: Jay Hall To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:38:46 -0500 References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:38:50 -0000 > Ah yes, I do remember now. Plus, for once the syntax is almost self > explanatory. So, did the OPs question get answered? > I think I just found the problem. I am testing now. There was a blank line at the end of the file. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 02:50:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8220E106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:50:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542DE8FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767197E818 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:50:25 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:50:24 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> In-Reply-To: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908041850.24597.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: Moused crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:50:26 -0000 On Tuesday 04 August 2009 03:26:24 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Further I seem to have missed something else. I found the page > http://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad where are mentioned some > sysctls: > > hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" > hw.psm.synaptics.vscroll_hor_area=1300 > > I don't have those ctls here and I cannot find the kernel driver > that provides them. That's because they're loader tunables. You set them in /boot/loader.conf. The LOADER TUNABLES section of psm(4) details it. Note that I had not a very good experience with the synaptics driver about a year ago and haven't tried since. YMMV. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 02:54:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8301106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@urgle.com) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A097F8FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@urgle.com) Received: from cheddar.urgle.com ([80.177.40.53]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MYWPq-0006hV-bw; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:39:46 +0000 Received: from mike by cheddar.urgle.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYWPq-0002c1-3h; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:39:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 03:39:46 +0100 From: Mike Bristow To: Gary Gatten Message-ID: <20090805023946.GA9852@cheddar.urgle.com> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2EF@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: jhall@socket.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:54:29 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 08:49:17PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Ah yes, I do remember now. Plus, for once the syntax is almost self explanatory. So, did the OPs question get answered? Yes. But to be clear, one of the lines in the input file is blank, which means that find is run as find -type f which is incorrect; it will be treated as "run find with the -t, -y, -p, and -e flags in the directory f". (find's syntax is: find [ optional flags ] [ required places to search ] [ optional rules to filter out the things you dont want] By having the places-to-search variable be blank, the shell doesn't pass anythin to find, causing the optional rules to be interpreted as the optional flags - and the syntax isn't correct. -- :wq From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 07:16:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59931065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kagesenshi.87@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EAE8FC21 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kagesenshi.87@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so2146630and.13 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NUBjJKtJ5Hz+ns0fdda4KGLN5rrytaCZPFnbNeLrJ6c=; b=UZ47hWm7y3np4dyyaYwsI9T6+mF/k0uWVARuUs2uO8VPKuD4rmFliWwTCqO4V40cF+ 6XJrxdhyGJcVyN5w0pyNIZ9D1PSvNFDVFuScyGZMW4+6b9J0oUGfaWRiQFwNADMgWn3y //kY6cgcKrmDLvjVl7sgt5EATuUJ/sfEV55Cw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=EkijKsh+WSHUNDMB/E01n9OG+X4AjedoLA2bgNsjozax/INWZ0KlagQaxaGly82pjH dNone4p6SLfezwOELvI+ng25qJz7XUvfPqtNSDk3JUIwk7W7cYmQGNhKIfNo1e4Eop+H cqqlM1Nky73iipE/nJO8y2f42BZBCjuGDcxWI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with SMTP id p17mr9573989anb.179.1249455158858; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Izhar Firdaus Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:52:18 +0800 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: routing for jails on public IPs, jails on private IPs between 2 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:16:24 -0000 Hi , I have this question which need some comment/help on: =3D=3D the setup =3D=3D I have 2 freebsd servers with several jails running on it. Each server have several jails thats either listening on publicly accessible IP or listening on a loopback/private IP. The two servers are connected together using vpn with routing that allows ServerA to connect to private jails in ServerB and vice versa. ServerA (10.1.0.1_tun0,192.168.1.1_bge0,192.168.1.2_bge0,127.0.1.1_lo1,127.= 0.1.1_lo1) - JailA(192.168.1.2_bge0) - JailB(127.0.1.1_lo1) - JailC(127.0.1.1_lo1) ServerB (10.1.0.3_tun0,192.168.1.3_bge0,192.168.1.4_bge0,127.0.2.1_lo1,127.= 0.2.2_lo1) - JailA(192.168.1.4_bge0) - JailB(127.0.2.1_lo1) - JailC(127.0.2.2_lo1) =3D=3D the issue =3D=3D under the current config, ServerA can connect to all private jails in ServerB through vpn+routing and vice versa. Private jails in ServerA can connect to public jails in ServerB through NAT and vice versa. However, I cant figure out how to allow public jails in ServerA to connect to private jails in ServerB. Anybody have idea on how to implement it? Thanks --=20 Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru =E5=A4=A9=E9=87=8E=E6=99=83 =E3=80=8C=E3=81=82=E3=81=BE=E3=81= =AE =E3=81=B2=E3=81=8B=E3=82=8B=E3=80=8D http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 07:36:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEE21065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CC48FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n757acFY027827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:36:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n757acFY027827 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1249457804; bh=6LWXL9270+OrQFLReU/4yPV0CznEnu2EgGinCST65gk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2005=20Aug=202009=2008:36:31=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.22=20(X11/20090727)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Jay=20Hall=20|CC:=20freebsd-que stions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20find=20question|References:=20 <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net>|In-Reply-To:=20< 42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net>|X-Enigmail-Versio n:=200.95.7|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/sig ned=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp- signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigB6D269A3F869933A 679D3F0A"; b=EDn2HqeAq0rigy2A9Dq2ge5HDvnBrHJk3kw6MxKZ7XZCtcibo9aaUePpw8yn5nyTq 46CFmuAh1iB6PFeOPo1UR/rwWvXrk1REU4bF3psuSUgx8T9ZVZFfeBKmKG3otgzbcS 2aAwCTY7FwOzM5sEz/rougCrHi2Hphx0OGpTuREw= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4] claimed to be significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net Message-ID: <4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:36:31 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090727) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Hall References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> In-Reply-To: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB6D269A3F869933A679D3F0A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:36:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB6D269A3F869933A679D3F0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay Hall wrote: > I am sure this is something I am doing that is obviously wrong, but I > cannot figure it out. >=20 > I am reading a list of directories from a file, and then listing all of= > the files in the directory to a file. >=20 > Here is the code. >=20 > #!/usr/local/bin/bash > cat ${FILELIST} | while read LINE > do > echo ${LINE} > `find ${LINE} -type f >> ${TMPFILE}` > done >=20 > Here is the output. > /usr/home/windowsaccess >=20 > find: illegal option -- t > find: illegal option -- y > find: illegal option -- p > find: illegal option -- e > find: f: No such file or directory >=20 > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >=20 Try this as: for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do echo $line find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE done *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* This will split the contents of the file based on the current setting of = $IFS (input field separator, which usually matches any whitespace). You = can do some interesting tricks by redefining IFS... Not sure what you're trying to achieve by the backticks around your find = line -- that actually says "take the output of this command and try and run it= as a command line" which is probably not what you want. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK --------------enigB6D269A3F869933A679D3F0A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkp5NoYACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VY3sgCfSK/pNwO8czOD+KsR8aeDUSvB 0OEAnjonfVQSM6682PMiycUVoOWzIynk =ZRKu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB6D269A3F869933A679D3F0A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 08:00:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9C6106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 263BE8FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10138 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 08:00:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249459215; bh=5QVq/vNa2EyYQp7oB3RzXJO1OjIomXQNJrfHSHjhYCM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Vayyxasg7fRI7O+zLCia3Sp2IlNP/u5ps85BAIcbhWbZ+x6JUdXDy9J86TSECn9I8BqpJy3l2JiPWfsFdfISJ81u+UMIIBkLEFumDjxd2UPKEKg59syBeaefiBSpXNt6USaOQf/DM3o09GIH5a4jYgJsVby4XZRLxd/blMUAbEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wNhcLmOUXlTskZoG+GAIoFtV0IMYbfpR7qfm2VvUf/XZzolQ2AUyvvCRyzpionyMXRNejUxx98UwRIlMmVkebfESCCVvb2Sg8BJMoCs2Ddi4xTWALYlv4loA8nLvkZqk4sEH7C8+Y9mIi129FaOZZxexNBBk3nlXDUhh7ZGEfl4=; Message-ID: <543316.4925.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VsLEJvsVM1kVZb95z1JVPLMe4UXrWa1rEKLIhUOC_M_Y8qMdUM72NJ4Qv1yuvHbw7q8_KMF6sN1k.KJ2V8_ta4Xbf6FOsD3nwZT8k6ZEtxNCGPpdPG6TN1Muk2kCYbutRzBf1DMZZLsYVZEvMzu9.BrQ8Rf8TxZ8ZkrY5ECXVXIi6_.NQOOiVa79aMbNdzbtrW.GOsFA0Pa..DogimtwVfeUqEu1F.NIaW5.CZyD3IoGFlUimO0psZ1RPrSMYG35WEAaNcqp.GESr9lE Received: from [220.255.7.110] by web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:00:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:00:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:00:20 -0000 Hi all I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. The "lmmon -i" shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 08:10:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22409106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD538FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180052205.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.52.205]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt72-1MYbZr3n4O-000nzu; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:10:28 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYbZl-0008Tn-G8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:10:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:10:21 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090805081021.GA32513@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> <200908041850.24597.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908041850.24597.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19k/lq0GCQjaaNpJmkf06ZK2bbS4+6/ni4evc8 NSsAHrm5sRD1H+Tq5E7QQFyTgqyVvnLc36jhlRz/h589t5DEYU o6S5niRDHu7SCx66QzIZVr3nF9jCmmvQhWUOtG2q7c= Subject: Re: Moused crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:10:31 -0000 Hi Mel, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 18:50:24 -0800 schrieb Mel Flynn: > On Tuesday 04 August 2009 03:26:24 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > Further I seem to have missed something else. I found the page > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad where are mentioned some > > sysctls: > > > > hw.psm.synaptics_support="1" > > hw.psm.synaptics.vscroll_hor_area=1300 > > > > I don't have those ctls here and I cannot find the kernel driver > > that provides them. > > That's because they're loader tunables. You set them in > /boot/loader.conf. The LOADER TUNABLES section of psm(4) details > it. Ah, I did not know that there are options that have to be set at boot time. Thank you! Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 09:00:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A62106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA898FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7629034D440; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:00:09 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:00:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051000.09434.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Glen Barber , "b. f." Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:00:13 -0000 > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote: > >> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. > > > > Well, neither actually. :) s/0_2/2_0/ . But I inferred from the > > context -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later > > -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted > > for the sake of brevity. I assumed you also made this inference. > > Agreed, but IMHO, it's better to be precise and not assume too much. :-) OK guys this has now reached the point where I am again confudes -- here is my original posting amended to ensure there is no ambiguity I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: RELENG_7_BP RELENG_7_2_BP RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE RELENG_7_2 But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! # uname -a 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? or do I need to use something like: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2 or something else!! Where can I find some explanation on this? Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from uname -a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable. Please do not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question born of ignorance and confusion david Thanks in advance David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 09:01:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A40106568A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:01:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CCA8FC22 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 146E634D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:01:35 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:01:34 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051001.34997.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Glen Barber , "b. f." Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:01:37 -0000 > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f. wrote: > >> He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. > > > > Well, neither actually. :) s/0_2/2_0/ . But I inferred from the > > context -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later > > -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted > > for the sake of brevity. I assumed you also made this inference. > Glen You hit the sweet spot!! David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 09:12:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55923106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D944E8FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from [212.86.226.243] (account arctic@alkar.net HELO [172.16.1.5]) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTPA id 250725351 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:12:40 +0300 From: "Andrey O.Sokolov" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:12:39 +0300 Message-Id: <1249459959.29995.13.camel@konik.alkar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arctic@alkar.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:12:42 -0000 Hi! I have two network interfaces - fxp and em When i send on both interface packet with 802.1P tag, i see this tag on fxp and don't see on em. em: 10:41:14.849139 00:18:ba:8a:c8:c1 (oui Unknown) > 00:15:b7:62:de:ec (oui Unknown), ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 118: vlan 20, p 0 fxp: 10:40:56.259886 00:18:ba:8a:c8:c1 (oui Unknown) > 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a (oui Unknown), ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 118: vlan 20, p 4 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE em0: port 0xbfe0-0xbfff mem 0xffae0000-0xffafffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 fxp0: port 0xa000-0xa03f mem 0xe4020000-0xe4020fff,0xe4000000-0xe401ffff irq 19 at device 1.0 on pci2 miibus0: on fxp0 Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? -- ______________________________________________________________ ***AOS224-RIPE*** tel/fax: +380-56-3728171 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 09:54:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50B1106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAC78FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7B67734D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:54:07 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:54:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051054.07456.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:54:10 -0000 I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.ifo.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. Current kernel is GENERIC but as I said I am going to build a new one. # uname-a FreeBSD dns1.vizion2000.net 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 root@amd64- builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Could anyone please point me in the right direction to achieve greater understanding of what optimizations may be most appropriate for compiling a kernel for my system. The docs are very good on the "how" but are not very helpful when it comes to solving the "what" "why" and "when" questions when the "who" is a dummy . Thanks in advance David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 10:19:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D62106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A778FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75AJOwP098540; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9F655B85D; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20090805101923.GA26096@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <200908051054.07456.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908051054.07456.david@vizion2000.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:19:26 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.h= tml. >=20 > I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into thi= ngs I=20 > have, until now, taken for granted. >=20 > The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to contro= l=20 > optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that = tells=20 > me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=3Dnocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates.=20 Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp5XKsACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVg1QCfdMQTSPfjmiuqoFSzl+dEWF/e Z5sAn3qSyDwV7og7sX7LZq6zwZwP7cLs =bv04 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 10:35:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ABF106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hosting@startelecom.ru) Received: from hosting.freeset.ru (hosting.freeset.ru [84.16.130.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CD78FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hosting@startelecom.ru) Received: by hosting.freeset.ru (Postfix, from userid 80) id 7FA0948920; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:11:01 +0400 (MSD) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Mr. Bright MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20090805101101.7FA0948920@hosting.freeset.ru> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:11:01 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Date:Wed 5-08-2009. 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If you are interested response to: mrbrighticb5@aol.com Mobile: +233-244-153-672 Regards Bright From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 11:03:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56598106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE198FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE5E41C1A67; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:03:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A7966E7.9050601@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:03:03 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <543316.4925.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <543316.4925.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:03:06 -0000 Unga wrote: > Hi all > > I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. > > The "lmmon -i" shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. > > How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? $ sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature on my computer shows 56C -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 11:07:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5522E106567B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35008FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so5735ewy.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fkh+MFHzRr41HJdlLCKyexz+2Bz/pN7nb/90w+YFl9o=; b=OBt9ilwch5Pr8RxEku211ZXdFj2EXUAndeyOanWMDrZerqox1cQKLuRj2B2AZrDasC 3Qb5qTLG5eBwizV8aNfhtNuLHcYjE9+mj6HsBsvYswvttvebTZ8l+hzBLEnyRuvWHAYn kl0BKNHyI9RtUY30yMqBCi7fDNuGhrtRSSrjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FbWSoAk2QJwgipMrUILiJBFQD6olM4s9JFHtLC3s9mpdoYBWLrmKivvfYPFD3gJ4nr 1vH6rir04X6c/XKYuFqexsfDgO5MceLFX5no+JD4kCjarESIfwyedEpMzSy5tKJUB5y2 vpVtTDK2j0E2qBJTF8L4o95uYL5KrwhrEja2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.82.13 with SMTP id f13mr10333914ebb.95.1249470425910; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <543316.4925.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <543316.4925.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:07:05 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908050407s1053d0edw135e5689ee43cf87@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Unga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:07:08 -0000 On 8/5/09, Unga wrote: > > I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. > > The "lmmon -i" shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems > to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. > > How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to > check whether the computer is over heating? If your mainboard supports it, and depending on your CPU, you might look into sysutils/mbmon, found in the ports collection. Aside from that, what does the following command output? sysctl -a | grep temp -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 11:42:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39787106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 987D48FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:42:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35482 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 11:42:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249472532; bh=6R2o0sAn95Gx3BmaVzeaQAE3jUl/GSYmu00UeNauczw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=u/BmdPNtB46jwfqfCNLxQQu6LSytdPBAFxHnNyQoIZWYcqJRSk7xF9OBQC36JfeincFCYckDoLu8lZpUOyDpTIy6XQ/dvoXKmFaotkE1bBjoibWJigym8xhC5tSq5ZLwAvt5GZTf8NRbqHiYyFDlYN9+bN5q3zWOtoI/1F9QTO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YIxlB3giwTsAp42fsv7lgCNQmH5UeIYdQkEySsXgpdvBNu6TvhH0ispLFeo07cuyyHpkLFiZQlL1Z2gQxD3AYEy82C0zRvo9pkRH5yOZqzGNxCR/RGEaI2eo4FyvKcuHxQez+uwxTZGO2oe856n+1UO0y3tuV136xJPPvFh0kmY=; Message-ID: <876629.40221.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: a15RPsYVM1lTD6e6Ky_khJ75pcBgPh2zp_SW51dY868B7KmNI.619egGKSb.T6PKmO_biuT1s98TVYBQcUmj2z1OJ5Kn8GVgpZ_aMhbccZ92oYyQEClBPN6Vg1PoEKeex23kyRSteYb8VgMBYSspot7PumwTZZnIf4rhmzEBblX6VY1BvifmvYWtSAL77I_siLNk_FI3_eFW.sP8gKfdYwTKAQ3aDsVE5mlFnRKsnR2KzqXhP8aUdk2SmGL_ubZAbvjBzqNwqlTGqXwpGV8.zeyA6bNZ_G_SGUKPPoTc.tIjeJqhLt_ti56G7MWSPoSzmfA42tc200Lhl38ZjayMLkQOKA-- Received: from [220.255.7.108] by web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:42:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 04:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <4A7966E7.9050601@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:42:14 -0000 --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Erik Norgaard wrote: > From: Erik Norgaard > Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? > To: "Unga" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:03 PM > Unga wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. > > > > The "lmmon -i" shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows > 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe > is very hot to the extent cannot touch. > > > > How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when > FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over > heating? > > $ sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature > > on my computer shows 56C Here is what it show on my computer: sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 12:04:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7487C106568F for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255C68FC1D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:04:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B13C1C1A67; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:04:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A797542.4070108@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:04:18 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Unga References: <876629.40221.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <876629.40221.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:04:23 -0000 Unga wrote: > Here is what it show on my computer: > > sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 > > so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? From that it appears the kernel can't read the temperature sensor, this may be a problem with the ACPI not being properly supported for your processor. The 90.0C entries are different entries that take action against overheating, if the temperature reaches 90 putting your system to sleep or throtling down speed. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 12:39:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FA3106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF0A8FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n75CcKFm006684; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:38:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Roland Smith Cc: David Southwell Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:39:23 -0000 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: >On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: >> I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. >> >> I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I >> have, until now, taken for granted. >> >> The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control >> optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells >> me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. > >The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct >CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See >make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and >/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3" at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. > >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with >COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is >not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use >COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. > Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:02:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3241065675 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8D88FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 408B434D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:06 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Roland Smith , Scott Bennett Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:02:09 -0000 > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > >On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > >> I have found > >> http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. > >> > >> I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into > >> things I have, until now, taken for granted. > >> > >> The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to > >> control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a > >> way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad > >> Core) with 8G of ram. > > > >The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct > >CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See > >make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and > >/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. > > As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which > is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the > compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction > scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features > used, he would still need to add "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3" at a minimum > for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel > compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ > Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think > the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 > instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. > > >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with > >COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is > >not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use > >COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. > > Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Do I need anything else in make.conf? So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe FORCE_MAKE_JOBS= true Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:08:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C22106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB0D8FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0DE66247 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:34 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYC0pXy0WFDY for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:29 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.198] (unknown [196.1.1.198]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id D641466235 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:29 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:37:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wierd X crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:08:42 -0000 Hello all, I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. This is in the log: Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting The rest of the log is fine. I have fiddled with HAL and DBUS, turning them off and on, but no luck. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:12:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BA0106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297F18FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75DCXYR008790; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:12:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3ED56B85D; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:12:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:12:33 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Scott Bennett Message-ID: <20090805131233.GA30790@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:12:42 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:38:20AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith wr= ote: > >On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > >> I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Option= s.html. > >>=20 > >> I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into = things I=20 > >> have, until now, taken for granted. > >>=20 > >> The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to con= trol=20 > >> optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way th= at tells=20 > >> me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of = ram. > > > >The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct > >CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=3Dnocona. See > >make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and > >/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. >=20 > As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=3Dnocona (w= hich > is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the > compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction > scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features us= ed, > he would still need to add "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3" at a minimum for m= ost > other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel > compilations.=20 Both i386 and amd64 explicitly prohibit the use of FPU, SSE and other SIMD operations inside the kernel itself. These operations are exclusively= =20 reserved for user applications. See /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.mk. The makefiles for the kernel add appropriate options depending on the CPUTY= PE. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp5hUEACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXCfQCeIKtV3ILoxusWmo/bIchQjoCz YNwAniGxXNxoiAngmBN5+XZ4k1I0ZRZd =6sLF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:14:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F48F106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060BC8FC18 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8064334D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:14:52 -0000 Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:21:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2E41065672 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB608FC20 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from w2003s01.double-l.local (double-l.xs4all.nl [80.126.205.144]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75DLEQR067060; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:21:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DEACB@w2003s01.double-l.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please Thread-Index: AcoVzYmqbLtCZAwBQEmlF0rZPsMaQQAAFcpw References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> From: "Johan Hendriks" To: "David Southwell" X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:21:17 -0000 >> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith =20 wrote: >> >On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: >> >> I have found >> >> http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. >> >> >> >> I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into >> >> things I have, until now, taken for granted. >> >> >> >> The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to >> >> control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a >> >> way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad >> >> Core) with 8G of ram. >> > >> >The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct >> >CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=3Dnocona. = See >> >make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and >> >/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. >> >> As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting = -march=3Dnocona (which >> is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the >> compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction >> scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features >> used, he would still need to add "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3" at a minimum >> for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel >> compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ >> Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think >> the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 >> instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. >> >> >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with >> >COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is >> >not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use >> >COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. >> >> Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) >> >> >> Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG >Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little=20 >more because I do not understand the implications. >should I have: >CPUTYPE=3Dnocona=20 >in make.conf? >Do I need anything else in make.conf? >So far my draft make.conf has these entries: >CPUTYPE=3Dnocona >CFLAGS=3D -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe >FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=3D true >Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64=20 >GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! >I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; >dns1# pwd >/usr/src/sys/amd64/conf >dns1# ls -l >total 44 >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES >It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming=20 >conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a=20 >trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge It is logical. You use i386 on old amd processors also. The naming amd64 comes from the fact that AMD did come first with the 64 bit processor. If Intel was the first it proberly would have a name like i386_64 or something like that. Nothing to worry about. If your Intel proccessor has 64 bit support use the AMD64 version It is just a name. About the make.conf the use of nocona is ok but put a ? mark ofter CPUTYPE Do not ask me why, people told me it is better, if i understand correctly It has someting to do about the choice the compiler has while building, it could override the nocona setting if it is needed. If i recall correct!!!! CPUTYPE?=3Dnocona I would ditch the CFLAGS, the normal setings ar the same as that line=20 FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=3D true FORCE_MAKE_JOBS is also ok =20 =20 No virus found in this outgoing message. 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X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MYgX8-0006Zq-58 55d063ed3c15c8622a35c5e9db39a429 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:28:59 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:14:49PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > Hi every one > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems > with Intel Quad Core processors. That depends on if you installed the amd64 version of FreeBSD or the i386 version. The kernel should of course match the rest of the system. Intel's Quad Core processors (at least all the models they have released so far) supports both amd64 and i386. (i386 being 32-bit, while amd64 is 64-bit.) > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does > freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD has stuck with the name amd64. This is no more strange than calling the i386 architecture for i386 even if it runs on a whole lot of processors other than the original Intel 80386. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:30:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54727106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:30:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784188FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=GhTxDuQE/FVN97ThMaQjFgkFB2kPr+bAyRoTjtXiHpkwC6AHdeDVfv9O/kxpEsMKF73dRadpKuN9hlAMMBmJscW2i4yHL/yDXWyd9fNwjzlknQrYe1ssISO/zmRQ5YWU; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:53530) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYgZX-000G45-W2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:30:28 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:30:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:30:30 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:14:49 David Southwell wrote: > Hi every one > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for > systems with Intel Quad Core processors. > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why > does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? Because it's technically correct, as I understand it. Unless I've got this wrong (in which case I'm sure someone will shout), there were initially two 64-bit instruction sets, amd64 from AMD and ia64 from Intel. ia64 saw so little uptake that Intel started using the AMD instruction set, but amd64 is still the appropriate description for most 64-bit processors these daya regardless of manufacturer. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:32:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C11106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9637B8FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3950834D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:32:18 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:32:18 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DEACB@w2003s01.double-l.local> In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DEACB@w2003s01.double-l.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051432.18185.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Johan Hendriks Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:32:21 -0000 > >> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith > > > > wrote: > >> >On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > >> >> I have found > >> >> http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. > >> >> > >> >> I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper > > into > > >> >> things I have, until now, taken for granted. > >> >> > >> >> The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to > >> >> control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info > > in a > > >> >> way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel > > quad > > >> >> Core) with 8G of ram. > >> > > >> >The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct > >> >CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See > >> >make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and > >> >/usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. > >> > >> As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona > > (which > > >> is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells > > the > > >> compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of > > instruction > > >> scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent > > features > > >> used, he would still need to add "-mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3" at a > > minimum > > >> for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for > > kernel > > >> compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the > > Nocona/ > > >> Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't > > think > > >> the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 > >> instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. > >> > >> >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set > > with > > >> >COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is > >> >not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not > > use > > >> >COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system > > generates. > > >> Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) > >> > >> > >> Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > > > >Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a > > little > > >more because I do not understand the implications. > > > >should I have: > >CPUTYPE=nocona > >in make.conf? > >Do I need anything else in make.conf? > > > >So far my draft make.conf has these entries: > > > >CPUTYPE=nocona > > > >CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe > > > >FORCE_MAKE_JOBS= true > > > >Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use > > amd64 > > >GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! > > > > > >I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; > > > >dns1# pwd > >/usr/src/sys/amd64/conf > >dns1# ls -l > >total 44 > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile > >-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES > > > > > >It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into > > naming > > >conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and > > make it a > > >trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge > > It is logical. > You use i386 on old amd processors also. > The naming amd64 comes from the fact that AMD did come first with the 64 > bit processor. > If Intel was the first it proberly would have a name like i386_64 or > something like that. > > Nothing to worry about. > If your Intel proccessor has 64 bit support use the AMD64 version > > It is just a name. > > About the make.conf the use of nocona is ok but put a ? mark ofter > CPUTYPE > Do not ask me why, people told me it is better, if i understand > correctly It has someting to do about the choice the compiler has while > building, it could override the nocona setting if it is needed. > If i recall correct!!!! > > CPUTYPE?=nocona > > I would ditch the CFLAGS, the normal setings ar the same as that line > > FORCE_MAKE_JOBS= true > > FORCE_MAKE_JOBS is also ok > > Hi Johan Thanks for that - you comments are really helpful and place things in context. I would still be inclined to feel that although the naming convention can be historically justified it remains practically illogical!!! Naming conventions work well when they help people understand what they represent. To illustrate my point at one time Britain referred as "the British Empire" but such a title would be laughable today!! David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:35:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446021065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B6D8FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYgek-0008TJ-3d; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:35:50 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYgeN-000GNl-5E; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:35:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4A798A9C.7010201@mapper.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:35:24 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig98F76898EA047CF166343525" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:35:51 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig98F76898EA047CF166343525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Southwell wrote: > Hi every one > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for s= ystems=20 > with Intel Quad Core processors. > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean w= hy does=20 > freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre?=20 > > David=20 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" > =20 One would use the amd64 version of FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms (apart from the itanium platforms). the amd64 or x86-64 instuction set has been designed by amd, which called it amd64. Intel implemented amd's design in their EM64T or "Intel 64" instruction set, which is compatible with amd's implementation(mostly IS amd's implementation). As such, amd64 is as valid a platform name as IA64(or Itanium) is. --------------enig98F76898EA047CF166343525 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp5ip8ACgkQN9xNqOOVnWBm7QCfZHQ4ZyOP5AuhQSixpyYwsNdP B0UAnjwkqUhRcZtPJc4xr0E6FcfMHUS9 =zlSN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig98F76898EA047CF166343525-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:36:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06FA10656E1 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D65F8FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:36:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75Damg5039638; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:36:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 618ABB85D; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:36:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:36:48 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20090805133648.GB30790@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:36:58 -0000 --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:02:05PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > > >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with > > >COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is > > >not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not u= se > > >COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. > > > > Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) > > > > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a litt= le=20 > more because I do not understand the implications. >=20 > should I have: > CPUTYPE=3Dnocona=20 > in make.conf? Yes. > Do I need anything else in make.conf? If you are building a custom kernel, you can set the name of the kernel config there. E.g.: KERNCONF=3DFOO You should then put your kernel config in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/FOO. > So far my draft make.conf has these entries: >=20 > CPUTYPE=3Dnocona OK. > CFLAGS=3D -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CFLAGS are used for building userland programs. COPTFLAGS are used for buil= ding the kernel. I think that the values you've listed here are already the default, so they are superfluous really. > FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=3D true This is only for ports. > Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64= =20 > GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!!= =20 This is a FAQ. AMD originated the 64-bit extensions to the x86 architecture while intel was chasing the itanium pipedream. This extended architecture became known as x86_64 or amd64. After itanium became a dud, intel started making amd64 compatible chips as well, because the AMD chips had been hugely successfull. > I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; >=20 > dns1# pwd > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf > dns1# ls -l > total 44 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS Some options were moved to a DEFAULT file that is automatically included in every kernel, so that people can't forget them. Formetting one of those can result in an unusable kernel. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES NOTES contains extra options that aren't in the GENERIC kernel. > It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into na= ming=20 > conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make = it a=20 > trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge Just look at the beginning of each file. You'll find a description of that files purpose. You should base you kernel configuration on the GENERIC kernel. The first thing you need to do is change the "ident" line to match the filename. A kernel config FOO should include "ident FOO". Then remove devices and options that you don't need. If you don't know what a device or option is, leave it in. For devices, there is usually a manual page. E.g. if you see 'device em', you can get information about it with 'man em'. Look at the dmesg(8) output to see which devices you actually have. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp5ivAACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXUZwCfSqSL+QaDJ6uxW08tXIzz7Ubu vv8AoIZ0GDdD/5eSSOu1sO/+3HCauPvH =U9u/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:37:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F8E1065795 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:37:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ED68FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9B43E34D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:37:56 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:37:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051437.56585.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:38:00 -0000 > On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:14:49PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > > Hi every one > > > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for > > systems with Intel Quad Core processors. > > That depends on if you installed the amd64 version of FreeBSD or the i386 > version. The kernel should of course match the rest of the system. > Intel's Quad Core processors (at least all the models they have released so > far) supports both amd64 and i386. (i386 being 32-bit, while amd64 is > 64-bit.) > > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why > > does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? > > The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and > created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named > the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel > also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD > has stuck with the name amd64. This is no more strange than calling the > i386 architecture for i386 even if it runs on a whole lot of processors > other than the original Intel 80386. I would still be inclined to feel that although the naming convention can be historically justified it remains practically illogical!!! Naming conventions work well when they help people understand what they represent. To illustrate my point at one time Britain referred as "the British Empire" but such a title would be laughable today!! There is enough for people to get their head around in understanding what is going on without adding additional levels of confusion because noone thought of future developments!! However this is not an argument anyone is likely to get steamed up about -- however illogical it may be david From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:49:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BB2106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F048FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CDB4034D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:49:06 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: Roland Smith Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:49:06 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908051238.n75CcKC1006683@mp.cs.niu.edu> <200908051402.06130.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805133648.GB30790@slackbox.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20090805133648.GB30790@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051449.06688.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Scott Bennett , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:49:10 -0000 > On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:02:05PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: > > > >Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set > > > > with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 > > > > is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do > > > > not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system > > > > generates. > > > > > > Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) > > > > > > > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > > > > Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a > > little more because I do not understand the implications. > > > > should I have: > > CPUTYPE=nocona > > in make.conf? > > Yes. > > > Do I need anything else in make.conf? > > If you are building a custom kernel, you can set the name of the kernel > config there. E.g.: > > KERNCONF=FOO > > You should then put your kernel config in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/FOO. > > > So far my draft make.conf has these entries: > > > > CPUTYPE=nocona > > OK. > > > CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe > > CFLAGS are used for building userland programs. COPTFLAGS are used for > building the kernel. I think that the values you've listed here are already > the default, so they are superfluous really. > > > FORCE_MAKE_JOBS= true > > This is only for ports. > > > Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 > > GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! > > This is a FAQ. AMD originated the 64-bit extensions to the x86 > architecture while intel was chasing the itanium pipedream. This > extended architecture became known as x86_64 or amd64. After itanium > became a dud, intel started making amd64 compatible chips as well, > because the AMD chips had been hugely successfull. > > > I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; > > > > dns1# pwd > > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf > > dns1# ls -l > > total 44 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS > > Some options were moved to a DEFAULT file that is automatically included > in every kernel, so that people can't forget them. Formetting one of > those can result in an unusable kernel. > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES > > NOTES contains extra options that aren't in the GENERIC kernel. > > > It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into > > naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little > > and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge > > > > Just look at the beginning of each file. You'll find a description of > that files purpose. > > You should base you kernel configuration on the GENERIC kernel. The > first thing you need to do is change the "ident" line to match the > filename. A kernel config FOO should include "ident FOO". Then remove > devices and options that you don't need. If you don't know what a device > or option is, leave it in. For devices, there is usually a manual > page. E.g. if you see 'device em', you can get information about it with > 'man em'. > > Look at the dmesg(8) output to see which devices you actually have. > > Roland Roland Thank you I will be digging around and try and make good use of yr advice David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 13:49:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7587A106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0478FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:49:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KNW00IFOP2QIJ60@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:49:38 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) To: Polytropon References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:49:39 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would >> overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that >> files will not be overwritten? >> > > I'm not sure how to explain. It's possible that sysinstall recreated > the slices and paritions, or at least the partitions were marked as > to be formatted ("Y" after the file system type in the partition > editor). > > Because I've never used the "Upgrade" functionality of sysinstall, > I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do. > Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system; not only FBSD but the whole machine became un bootable when some xcb or something like that could not be loaded because of some problem with a python port. And there is the crux of the matter... thre's too much sloppiness and overlapping in the way that the ports/packages and the update/upgrade methods are implemented and especially, documented. Due to diligence and a great deal of my time, I managed to save all the files that were on the system and recovered the XP disks so everything can now be re-installed and used. The only "victim" in the end is FreeBSD as I will never touch it again. It has been going downhill since way back; but I think I just preferred to stay with my illusions and tolerated the waste of time and effort reconfiguring, searching for answers and reinstalling, rebooting and the whole shebang under the aura of "learning". So learn I did. Don't touch it; it sucks. There are other systems better than FBSD, so g'bye all. >:o :-P -- Hervé Kempf: "Pour sauver la planète, sortez du capitalisme." ------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Jourdan --- pj@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 14:02:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDB6106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out0.tiscali.nl (smtp-out0.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143AD8FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh4d-00068q-36; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:35 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYh4W-000GPe-2t; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7990F1.8010803@mapper.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:02:25 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <4A798A9C.7010201@mapper.nl> <200908051446.02087.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200908051446.02087.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9" Cc: Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:02:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Southwell wrote: >> David Southwell wrote: >> =20 >>> Hi every one >>> >>> My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for= >>> systems with Intel Quad Core processors. >>> >>> It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean= why >>> does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> =20 >> One would use the amd64 version of FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms (apart >> from the itanium platforms). >> the amd64 or x86-64 instuction set has been designed by amd, which >> called it amd64. >> Intel implemented amd's design in their EM64T or "Intel 64" instructio= n >> set, which is compatible with amd's implementation(mostly IS amd's >> implementation). >> As such, amd64 is as valid a platform name as IA64(or Itanium) is. >> =20 > > That is undoubtably true -- what it also means is that both names are e= qually=20 > logical or illogical depending upon your point of view. > > My view is that both are equally illogical because they are tied to a=20 > manufacturer rather than to function. Names are best chosen to facilita= te=20 > selection by single step logic that encapsulates what the name represen= ts=20 > rather than by having an abstruse historical context that has neglible = bearing=20 > upon current function. > > my 2 p > > But lets not get worked up about this > > david > > > > =20 You make a good point. It would be more "logical" and maybe even more "correct" to call it x86-64. This would however imply that any x86-64 implementation is supported. This is probably the case now, though i am unsure if freeBSD amd64 works on for instance via platforms. Since x86-64 isn't exactly an ISO standard, and amd64 is(http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm= ?csnumber=3D43784), it's not strange to name the branch that has been developed to work on amd's implementation of x86-64 is called amd64. Besides, I am a real AMD fanboy when it comes to processors... so why would I want that? ;-) --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp5kPQACgkQN9xNqOOVnWD3DwCeI645E7FcgC54ifT0E4llA2WY 06IAoITUaJnZ8Cqpy/5lzQj5iBxavkdL =1yqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEE7912CC835ACBC851E97DD9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 14:36:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883E0106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D4C8FC1D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFB87E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:36:44 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:36:43 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> In-Reply-To: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050636.43776.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: Wierd X crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:36:46 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. > > Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP > GeForce FX 5200. > > > My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, > but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of > text) X crashes. Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like backspace in an empty file? Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a coredump :/ The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which does the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. There's detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 14:51:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298121065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from f.mail.ru.ac.za (f.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AE38FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=oXYdEB/gVFkCGL3f36Z0lRnqkMyyTAQLO9PjRdeZ3+azhB8V7Sd8ZtOCs1uS4fRmklYOECZnRV7ag5M1vcID8BJJEm5HuTAmUUuEjBM/dgB09MxWfuAgKuvQkRHX641b; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:63993) by f.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYhqL-0007JV-I8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:51:53 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:51:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: f.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:6) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:51:56 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:49:38 PJ wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would > >> overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that > >> files will not be overwritten? > > > > I'm not sure how to explain. It's possible that sysinstall recreated > > the slices and paritions, or at least the partitions were marked as > > to be formatted ("Y" after the file system type in the partition > > editor). > > > > Because I've never used the "Upgrade" functionality of sysinstall, > > I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do. > > Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system You screwed up your system. Possibly that started when you tried to use freebsd-update with a non-GENERIC kernel, but you then thrashed around, apparently ignoring most of the help you were offered on this list and getting into more and more trouble, while never explaining exactly what you were doing. This is the textbook example of how not to report a problem: > the whole machine became un bootable when some xcb or something like > that could not be loaded because of some problem with a python port. Even so, several people put time and effort into helping you, and suggesting ways you could reach a quicker solution when you made it clear what your personal effort limit was. > Due to diligence and a great deal of my time, I managed to save all the > files that were on the system and recovered the XP disks so everything > can now be re-installed and used. Actually, it was also a great deal of time donated by other busy people around the world. > The only "victim" in the end is FreeBSD as I will never touch it again. > It has been going downhill since way back; but I think I just preferred > to stay with my illusions and tolerated the waste of time and effort > reconfiguring, searching for answers and reinstalling, rebooting and the > whole shebang under the aura of "learning". So learn I did. Don't touch > it; it sucks. > There are other systems better than FBSD, so g'bye all. >:o :-P ``I can't use it, therefore it's rubbish''. That's fine, no-one forced you to use FreeBSD in the first place and I doubt anyone minds that you don't want to use it any more. Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, since FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix concepts on board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also supported by one of the friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I know. I don't recognise FreeBSD or its user community in your description and I hope your tirade, on an extremely publically archived mailing list, doesn't put other people off trying it. Having said all that, I wish you well and I hope you find a system which suits you better than the one you have trashed. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 14:54:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D38B1065677 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE978FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8907E818 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:54:27 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:54:26 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:54:28 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: > The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and > created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named > the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel > also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD > has stuck with the name amd64. This isn't completely correct. There is actually an ia64 architecture, before Intel was ready to give up the "who dictates the PC 64bit architecture" battle. There's a handful of CPU's who use that instruction set, but later Intel switched to supporting AMD's instruction set and thus the PC 64 bit architecture now is amd64. It'll be fun to see people asking in a few years why Oracle processors are called "sparc64"... -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:00:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D978E106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FB38FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so132650bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=b349lZYDTHD4K98ByKJy6mWfqEb+JVT06A/HK2S/XnQ=; b=cXDmTBk3ZG5WwW9lTymJExMhSXQtiPKrerDYRpXvQRmtKNo/i6wO7kElvLhswf5LPI bExzbfylYqZrSiHCOAl5wHoCbeIXZyMuK6c6cEro9atPehhox1DKsMjYxAWnQ5ezcg/n NTf7Ey7XKedrbfG818670nyl3v4GjTYc9EBn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RH+hWLFoPMs3QX8wHmnbzCizP0rRrrA5x/Sqm7HkAI5NG37ryaQt+893SegtUDxjeo ePswqXHQ1cLNsW9AZOc+Sp+k79ViGBwtEtIAB+o/0+APwT2Gu8+UDox6G1nU4Hj/joLQ CWo9Ipnj/GPG+s7iikEsqRfyafX4S0zQkbxLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.210 with SMTP id q18mr3646253far.60.1249484440207; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> <4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908050800l1158452xb5949f2a1beee47a@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jay Hall , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:00:42 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Try this as: > > =A0 =A0for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0echo $line > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > =A0 =A0done > > *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* > for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do echo $line find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE done This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:10:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800CF106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BABB8FC15 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4B87E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:10:20 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:10:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <876629.40221.qm@web57003.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4A797542.4070108@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4A797542.4070108@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050710.19072.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Unga Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:10:21 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:04:18 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Unga wrote: > > Here is what it show on my computer: > > > > sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal > > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 > > > > so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented > > what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? > > From that it appears the kernel can't read the temperature sensor, this > may be a problem with the ACPI not being properly supported for your > processor. > > The 90.0C entries are different entries that take action against > overheating, if the temperature reaches 90 putting your system to sleep > or throtling down speed. _PSV = throttle down CPU speed _CRT = critical shutdown temperature Given that these are the same value, this indeed looks like ACPI problems. These values should be different, and can be quite a few degrees apart, so that the passive cooling actually has some time to do it's work. The acpi_thermal(4) man page details all the values. One can also use sysctl - d hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling to get a short description. If you want these values to make more sense, you should take the issue up with the acpi mailing list and be ready to do some debugging. At minimum you should provide the info outlined here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:12:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941A510656C7 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625AD8FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D487E818 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:12:39 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:12:38 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> <4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4ad871310908050800l1158452xb5949f2a1beee47a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908050800l1158452xb5949f2a1beee47a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050712.39131.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:12:41 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew > > Seaman wrote: > > Try this as: > > > > for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do > > echo $line > > find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > > done > > > > *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* > > for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do > echo $line > find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > done > > This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. And also make find look in non-existing directories. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:21:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A471065674 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilyas@opera.com) Received: from smtp.opera.com (sam.opera.com [213.236.208.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB88FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilyas@opera.com) Received: from linux.site (247-tdc.opera.com [213.236.208.247] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.opera.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id n75F2J4E015962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:02:20 GMT Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:02:18 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Ilya Shpan'kov" Organization: Opera Software ASA Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Linux) Subject: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:21:57 -0000 Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:32:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A86D106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:32:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A4D8FC1E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n75FZVj7018106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:35:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A79A60A.6020603@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:32:26 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ilya Shpan'kov" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:32:35 -0000 Hi, Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintainer@opera.com Keep up the good work :) Vince Vince Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: > Hi, > > I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) > Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the > Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a > question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can > fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or > agreement, if necessary. > > Thanks in advance, > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:33:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC752106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A9C8FC2A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so176724fxm.36 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=InGNw7eeviqQXRHFSylE/lZmvI2zlaSk2r5va7cLqeU=; b=jO9SDsIAzx7PPhLnI+tOx0iPi0DuLRNf4Eg0ZZ/Z6zLniSdESxN3yTGshUN4HTNhsW ic9ACtRcrgC2efFjjasv9oWw34oRUeJkYOySI+g/QY8RxLvloU1q0QEmK6DLYSh9rPNw bDBG8JDzR6pW6DQ74j8RwofHvzuZMlSBJEY3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MM3g/4l8sMNNA6KiS1eIZRM28dXSWZV70CY7xSJOHk6tPj3+Fdnka2Y4VYMJsEcCTR Rf/6nXBmZMUxOSA1MURmyUYNj6/gMOuUEWhazeJtmrHzZzBqiatNZNskcjmSkcSyyGj2 FXm7+gx6Gjn/cGFQnTGV8pZmtMFGixfVeRN/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.135 with SMTP id b7mr103202fap.62.1249486422984; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:33:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908050712.39131.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> <4A79367F.8000003@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4ad871310908050800l1158452xb5949f2a1beee47a@mail.gmail.com> <200908050712.39131.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908050833k54f3f3a7v679737941e3fa235@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:33:45 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew >> >> Seaman wrote: >> > Try this as: >> > >> > =A0 =A0for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0echo $line >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE >> > =A0 =A0done >> > >> > *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces= * >> >> =A0 =A0for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0echo $line >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE >> =A0 =A0done >> >> This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. > > And also make find look in non-existing directories. True, but any script that needs to find directories containing spaces is going to be hack-ish. for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ /SPACE/g') ; do echo $line | sed -e 's/SPACE/\ /g' find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE done --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:41:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E7D106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilyas@opera.com) Received: from smtp.opera.com (sam.opera.com [213.236.208.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD368FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ilyas@opera.com) Received: from linux.site (247-tdc.opera.com [213.236.208.247] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.opera.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id n75FfMXi017448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:41:43 GMT Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:41:21 +0200 To: "Vincent Hoffman" From: "Ilya Shpan'kov" Organization: Opera Software ASA Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4A79A60A.6020603@unsane.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A79A60A.6020603@unsane.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.64 (Linux) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:41:45 -0000 Thanks a lot, Vincent! Ð’ пиÑьме от Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:32:26 +0200, Vincent Hoffman Ñообщал: > Hi, > Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since > November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it > appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera > MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintainer@opera.com > Keep up the good work :) > > Vince > > > > Vince > > > Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) >> Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the >> Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a >> question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we >> can >> fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or >> agreement, if necessary. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:43:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519E210656B5 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4D8FC1D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E987E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:43:06 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:43:05 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Ilya Shpan'kov Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:43:07 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:02:18 Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: > I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) > Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the > Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a > question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can > fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or > agreement, if necessary. Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a "distro", but a UNIX operating system. :) Opera is available in the ports system as 3rd party software made to work on FreeBSD. There are 3 opera ports, which you can view here: http://www.freshports.org/www/opera http://www.freshports.org/www/opera-devel http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-opera (through linux emulation) There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more built-in torrent application specific). -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:44:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0050210656B3 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD68FC24 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anton@sng.by) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so152759eyd.7 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.136.15 with SMTP id j15mr10603399ebd.35.1249487056532; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ROOT (port-103-adslby-pool46.infonet.by [81.25.46.103]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm1737567eyg.32.2009.08.05.08.44.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:44:15 +0300 From: Anton X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.71.01) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1019707548.20090805184415@sng.by> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Some problems with Marvell Yukon NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Anton List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:44:18 -0000 Hello freebsd-questions, Found the solution here: [1]http= ://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-10/msg01065 .html= But do not know how to apply patch :-( Please, help -- -- Best regards, Anton = ; [2]mailto:anton@sng.by Administrator Feel free to contact me via ICQ 363780596 via Skype dobryak47 via phone +375 29 3320987 References 1. 3D"http://uni=/ 2. 3D"mailto:anton@sng.by" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:49:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924861065672 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:49:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF5CF8FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Aug 2009 15:49:03 -0000 Received: from ipa78.68.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.23.10]) [79.107.68.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu003) with SMTP; 05 Aug 2009 17:49:03 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+H6exW2tGHIc7L1AecVvs1X6scxgct5lFGh2hXe2 9EIam3TOTovw+A Message-ID: <4A79A9DD.60708@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:48:45 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arctic@alkar.net References: <1249459959.29995.13.camel@konik.alkar.net> In-Reply-To: <1249459959.29995.13.camel@konik.alkar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:49:05 -0000 Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: > Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? You should, I guess, with no extra steps. Perhaps the em driver has some hardware capability, which set the priority tag to zero? Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? Could you post the output of "ifconfig em0"? Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 15:54:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77901065676 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9997F8FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:54:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n75FsRpU019105; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:54:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D6B7893D6; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:54:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F053D893D9; 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Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tsu-Fan Cheng To: "Ilya Shpan'kov" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:58:13 -0000 Mmm.... afaIk, FreeBSd didn't make any software into distro, we just put them into our app system, called "ports" or "port collections", which has all apps that can run on freebsd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=opera&stype=all On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: > Hi, > > I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) > Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the > Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a > question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can > fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or > agreement, if necessary. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Best regards, > > Ilya Shpan'kov > Community Outreach Manager for Russia > Opera Software ASA > > Mobile: +47 46351421 > Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ > Skype: shpankov > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:08:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7B8106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@us.army.org) Received: from mail.datausa.com (mail.datausa.com [216.150.220.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABBE98FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@us.army.org) Received: (qmail 27187 invoked by uid 89); 5 Aug 2009 09:40:45 -0600 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail.wcubed.net) (freebsd@wcubed.net@216.150.220.219) by mail.datausa.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 09:40:45 -0600 Received: from 98.245.242.40 (SquirrelMail authenticated user freebsd@wcubed.net) by webmail.wcubed.net with HTTP; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:41:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "John Nielsen." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: 7.2 CD won't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jn07texas@yahoo.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:08:01 -0000 Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Thanks, Brad Waite From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:18:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0266106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872008FC20 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so261238yxe.3 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=spKHPM/Rqujr3iDkjwY7mkDVGP5DUSbLx732jlAHQlk=; b=FzmhEjYY4dvPB7gbNl4HC/6WmTAmp2IrHoHKGUr+Ki/NMlwjVPWyavEOXw9vc5+Rhv eyESCrGcg3fRl4RWDBgkTjWusbrj7+Fwc6BptTyT23FIwT0ARmDBqLgy9Er8CZYO/dT3 n/rcPUWu9dFytrPTIc/mhzJ21fJOjHPjG3c4Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=fl3Kn0dFg7fgCbgS8yw753aE9pqQ07D7mpWzCfvPjZqJ3UwiIvlJCcbje9joza4hHo pQGhJq79uTzYkLJvd5+J7GzjXWnwFAK7ro5Eun/CTtrCmX4bVPPoxZAiVH6cjFiBlxb8 1kiHDWC3MrBZrt0k9tLm7OLG9UR8ah18+V7qU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.45.2 with SMTP id x2mr16139309ybj.59.1249489124820; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> References: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0908050918u19248780m43f153cf6d9c2e3f@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: jn07texas@yahoo.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 CD won't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:18:46 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM, John Nielsen. wrote: > Hi guys, > > My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: > > CD Loader 1.2 > > Building the boot loader arguments > Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found > Relocating the loader and the BTX > > I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a > second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I > have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI > controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to > make a difference. > > What on earth could be going on? > > Thanks, > > Brad Waite > > What platform are you using? eg amd64 Update BIOS, disable acpi. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:19:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAFF1065695 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A39C8FC35 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so180793bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PbCGqUB0lRfwbyiy0Gd5CuwTBeLblLt7KLjvccJuyTs=; b=al4cdI2Ufmg4bmXFoWz19wjUA+hSWZnJo1JJfDnvaZXnrD3zZ64fXcWPVHJ7UXflhJ vdTn4Kf17mv+4UuKpL5v/NDKU7kK4rqnNtHPojlhAuicmhSHIqvI5vp1U0OlGOhe6G9t Y9iSEUp3AoFm6W6MvvPtQ516d/BWcp/B6YBug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cex8Qk/+Wf/EnXvYICLFCB4XLGLXeMIoVLItY/dnVTiMaxNMvp+SmZrtbu/djT19Q3 ws7Rq1IHkOT031XFnS4X8735Q2iUxh4y21pNtz/9fqhn8jDMvCDkmbeMfKU2+3dLTRB7 faPDfkVDojvr8/HaL0bM/0536enWaGap7dxiQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.210 with SMTP id q18mr3680905far.60.1249489168415; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> References: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908050919u2fa32e09pa690edebd37b9881@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: jn07texas@yahoo.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 CD won't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:19:30 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen. wrote: > Hi guys, > > My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. =A0I get the following and nothing more= : > > CD Loader 1.2 > > Building the boot loader arguments > Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found > Relocating the loader and the BTX > > I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. =A0I have burned a > second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. =A0I > have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. =A0On-board SCSI > controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. =A0Nothing seems to > make a difference. > > What on earth could be going on? > Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. Could be a hardware incompatibility. Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:28:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DB2106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1261B8FC1B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:28:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 16A3F34D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:28:22 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:28:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> <4ad871310908050919u2fa32e09pa690edebd37b9881@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908050919u2fa32e09pa690edebd37b9881@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051728.22039.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Glen Barber , jn07texas@yahoo.de Subject: Re: 7.2 CD won't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:28:25 -0000 > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen. wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: > > > > CD Loader 1.2 > > > > Building the boot loader arguments > > Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found > > Relocating the loader and the BTX > > > > I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a > > second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I > > have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI > > controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to > > make a difference. > > > > What on earth could be going on? > > Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. > > Could be a hardware incompatibility. > > Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? I found the amd64 dvd download to be corrupt recently. So do check the download -- did you verify your download? David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:32:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08621065701 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD818FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB647E818 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:32:48 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 08:32:47 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <42D44C8E-1E22-426C-A9AA-0FBF2A52188A@socket.net> <200908050712.39131.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4ad871310908050833k54f3f3a7v679737941e3fa235@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908050833k54f3f3a7v679737941e3fa235@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050832.47299.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: find question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:32:49 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:33:42 Glen Barber wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Mel > > Flynn wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew > >> > >> Seaman wrote: > >> > Try this as: > >> > > >> > for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do > >> > echo $line > >> > find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > >> > done > >> > > >> > *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain > >> > spaces* > >> > >> for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do > >> echo $line > >> find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > >> done > >> > >> This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. > > > > And also make find look in non-existing directories. > > True, but any script that needs to find directories containing spaces > is going to be hack-ish. > > for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ /SPACE/g') ; do > echo $line | sed -e 's/SPACE/\ /g' > find $line -type f >> $TMPFILE > done Not really, simply quote your arguments so that IFS is not in the picture. The OP had the right the idea by using a pipe+while read. % echo My Documents|while read LINE; do find "${LINE}" -type f; done My Documents/foo -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:34:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4951065697 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C138D8FC1C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F0F2234D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:34:33 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:34:33 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <53907.98.245.242.40.1249486879.squirrel@webmail.wcubed.net> <4ad871310908050919u2fa32e09pa690edebd37b9881@mail.gmail.com> <200908051728.22039.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200908051728.22039.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051734.33937.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: 7.2 CD won't boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:34:37 -0000 > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen. wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing > > > more: > > > > > > CD Loader 1.2 > > > > > > Building the boot loader arguments > > > Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found > > > Relocating the loader and the BTX > > > > > > I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a > > > second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I > > > have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI > > > controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to > > > make a difference. > > > > > > What on earth could be going on? > > > > Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. > > > > Could be a hardware incompatibility. > > > > Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? > > I found the amd64 dvd download to be corrupt recently. So do check the > download -- did you verify your download? > > David John My cc to you was bounced. : host d.mx.mail.yahoo.com[68.142.202.247] said: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.de account (jn07texas@yahoo.de) [-5] - mta247.mail.mud.yahoo.com (in reply to end of DATA command) David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 16:36:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBA810656C9 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kc0hwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B828FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kc0hwa@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so190159bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:36:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uuxgqe+Zg/c0Kumdoya7hS8ws/9k/X1DnaHWULRU3uA=; b=f27rv0P0ho2k0bkCmPiYNywEgjDfCCI4h3RTYz5U/Me+MFUhv0/y5cIk5GXHlxZxoW ayu3g6sEumYF+wHyd/4W4TpEtf4oTiSeojYOTrEbyOEmvS7RC9LvTbd6ZrmWTySsqSBH q035PDc/p+MtQpxeMTR6B9pP9fNi3gEgng+QE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=LwE5elLvzNlqk0+9ZlRSYYGSdtCiGDEWMClTt4REt73m7p55HIFPNlWxQw7iFBZ8iK le82eD49dDL5rZVqccpFK9URxJYkDNIuZ674QB+YVYSMJ7IUMoD9lff/rZCzrHJw37wL Kr77XiC8DlzMiuiyfVb4STdyfP+DHA48YScJ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.101.142 with SMTP id c14mr1037869bko.87.1249488587565; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: J Lee Hughes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: help installing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:36:15 -0000 how can help me install free bsd I get loaded free bsd it said is loaded good Can not get xwindow to load or kde help use to opensuse the best for os ============================== J Lee Hughes K C 0 H W A 73 ============================= Do what you can every day! Learn what you can every day! Life is good! ============================= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:07:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A95106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469598FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6E12134D420; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:07:38 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:07:38 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051807.38397.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: J Lee Hughes Subject: Re: help installing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:07:41 -0000 > how can help me install free bsd > > I get loaded free bsd > it said is loaded good > Can not get xwindow to load or kde > > help > > use to opensuse the best for os > ============================== > J Lee Hughes K C 0 H W A 73 > ============================= > Do what you can every day! > Learn what you can every day! > Life is good! > ============================= Welcome Do you have another machine available with access to the internet. If so use that one to go to http://www.freebsd.org follow the links to documentation>handbook you should find everything you need there. Come back here if you get stuck David M0TAU From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:19:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14A6106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8543D8FC14 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3773C3BE252 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:03:16 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: rl+pG3kbHlUtbroVgBRixcgW+s9hZWXdYig8Cespfbz2 1249491795 Received: from zafiro.therandymon.com (e15-27.leland.bj [81.91.224.177]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3E5912D1B5 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zafiro.therandymon.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3C51E3222E; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:00:13 +0000 From: Randall Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090805180009.GB7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> References: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:19:29 -0000 > There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera > combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one > bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more > built-in torrent application specific). > -- No problems here - it's my browser of choice on FreeBSD, and it hasn't given me any trouble at all. Congrats. -- http://www.therandymon.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:19:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEC8106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923258FC15 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsw22@cornell.edu) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E9A3BE27F for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:03:20 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: 5R9eM71OwlUqbXU9E+DfrdniWty0btCj3vthMpOXQqpF 1249491794 Received: from zafiro.therandymon.com (e15-27.leland.bj [81.91.224.177]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD6A6327D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zafiro.therandymon.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 400C93221C; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:30 +0000 From: Randall Wood To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090805175728.GA7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> References: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:19:30 -0000 On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: > Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Happy hunting. -- http://www.therandymon.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:25:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E79106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2181C8FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Aug 2009 17:25:42 -0000 Received: from ipa78.68.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.23.10]) [79.107.68.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu004) with SMTP; 05 Aug 2009 19:25:42 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FSYII7XnFwQdX+F1wXTsGVN6sv9jxhi5HMXsmhl OpvKqBbyYcOAVm Message-ID: <4A79C088.1090504@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:25:28 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Gatten References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: arctic@alkar.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:25:45 -0000 Gary Gatten wrote: > Not ALL chipsets / drivers support 802.1Q / p , maybe this is one of them? The vlan driver handles tagging itself in software. You don't need support by the hardware driver or the NIC itself. That said, Intel NICs are known to work correctly and support dot1Q tags natively in hardware. Maybe this behavior is some regression with the priority tags, which by the way are completely ignored by the vlan driver. You cannot set a priority tag or have the vlan driver process it in a special way. I guess processing priority tags is not very useful since one cannot expect a FreeBSD box to replace a switch! As I understand Andrey just runs tcpdump on the physical interface. He doesn't use the vlan driver. He should see everything that reaches the ethernet port. tagged or not. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:29:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25C6106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C1D8FC24 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883067E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:29:18 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:29:17 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> <20090805175728.GA7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> In-Reply-To: <20090805175728.GA7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908050929.17643.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Randall Wood Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:29:20 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:57:30 Randall Wood wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: > > Has anyone tested Arora? > > I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my > favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit > the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is > assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the > letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter > key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a > matter of taste. Well, the script support and rendering bugs are a bit too noticeable for my taste. Though last time I tried was KDE 4.1.x. I suppose I could give it another shot with 4.3 in the tree. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:29:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09C210656EC for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDFD8FC26 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from [212.86.226.214] (account arctic@alkar.net HELO [127.0.0.1]) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTPA id 250785723; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:29:55 +0300 From: "Andrey O.Sokolov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:30:35 +0300 Message-Id: <1249493435.3092.45.camel@Father> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2tml@iki.fi evolution_2.24.2-1_win32 20090105 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Gary Gatten Subject: Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arctic@alkar.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:29:57 -0000 õ óÒ, 2009-08-05 Õ 10:54 -0500, Gary Gatten ÐÉÛÅ: > Not ALL chipsets / drivers support 802.1Q / p , maybe this is one of them? I have this problem on some ethernet cards, such as: em0@pci0:14:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x109a15d9 chip=0x109a8086 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82573L Intel PRO/1000 PL Network Adaptor' class = network subclass = ethernet em0@pci0:6:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x108c15d9 chip=0x108c8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82573E Intel Corporation 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' class = network subclass = ethernet Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: > > Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? > > You should, I guess, with no extra steps. Perhaps the em driver > has some hardware capability, which set the priority tag to zero? > Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? How I can enable this processing? > Could you post the output of "ifconfig em0"? > Output of ifconfig both: em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=19b ether 00:15:b7:62:de:ec media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active vlan20: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3 ether 00:15:b7:62:de:ec inet media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active vlan: 20 parent interface: em0 ============================================================================== fxp0: flags=8943 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=219b ether 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active vlan20: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3 ether 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a inet media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active vlan: 20 parent interface: fxp0 -- ***AOS224-RIPE*** mailto:arctic@alkar.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:41:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF05106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4FB8FC14 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [10.47.0.240]) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n75HecGA019925 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@aristotle.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n75HechN019924 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:40:38 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 21 of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:41:04 -0000 Hm. Last night mutt began to fail to sent mail; it exited with a 127. When I tried to rebuolt mutt, turns out that I'm missing GNU m4... . I'll paste the build snafus after my sig here on my server. Ideas how things ggot hosed? anybody? -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ===> Configuring for mutt-1.4.2.3_3 /usr/local/share/aclocal/soup.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SOUP run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal /usr/local/share/aclocal/oaf.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_OAF /usr/local/share/aclocal/linc.m4:1: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LINC /usr/local/share/aclocal/libglade.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBGLADE /usr/local/share/aclocal/libfame.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBFAME /usr/local/share/aclocal/libart.m4:11: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBART /usr/local/share/aclocal/libIDL.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBIDL /usr/local/share/aclocal/imlib.m4:9: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_IMLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/imlib.m4:167: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GDK_IMLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/gtkgl.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTKGL /usr/local/share/aclocal/gtk.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTK /usr/local/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/gdk-pixbuf.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GDK_PIXBUF /usr/local/share/aclocal/gconf-1.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GCONF /usr/local/share/aclocal/gconf-1.m4:71: warning: underquoted definition of AM_GCONF_SOURCE /usr/local/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE /usr/local/share/aclocal/aalib.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AALIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/ORBit.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_ORBIT autom4te-2.62: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /usr/local/bin/gm4 aclocal-1.9: /usr/local/bin/autom4te-2.62 failed with exit status: 1 *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:41:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E2110656BA for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3D9B8FC19 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:41:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Aug 2009 17:41:47 -0000 Received: from ipa78.68.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.23.10]) [79.107.68.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu005) with SMTP; 05 Aug 2009 19:41:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+9C+4QNtC9G0taEHB/ormpv3vN2HPE+4PrKOuqKU V/lc+NLdRbLJ49 Message-ID: <4A79C44D.8040803@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:41:33 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arctic@alkar.net References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <1249493435.3092.45.camel@Father> In-Reply-To: <1249493435.3092.45.camel@Father> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.73 Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:41:54 -0000 Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: >> Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? > > How I can enable this processing? > "ifconfig em0 vlanhwtag" enables vlan processing in hw "ifconfig em0 -vlanhwtag" disables vlan processing in hw Maybe one these will work correctly without the zeroing effect. Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 17:56:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B2D106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AED8FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arctic@alkar.net) Received: from [212.86.226.214] (account arctic@alkar.net HELO [127.0.0.1]) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTPA id 250786696; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:56:34 +0300 From: "Andrey O.Sokolov" To: Nikos Vassiliadis In-Reply-To: <4A79C44D.8040803@gmx.com> References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <1249493435.3092.45.camel@Father> <4A79C44D.8040803@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:57:14 +0300 Message-Id: <1249495034.3092.58.camel@Father> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2tml@iki.fi evolution_2.24.2-1_win32 20090105 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arctic@alkar.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:56:36 -0000 õ óÒ, 2009-08-05 Õ 20:41 +0300, Nikos Vassiliadis ÐÉÛÅ: > >> Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? > > > > How I can enable this processing? > > > > "ifconfig em0 vlanhwtag" enables vlan processing in hw > "ifconfig em0 -vlanhwtag" disables vlan processing in hw > Maybe one these will work correctly without the zeroing effect. I tried both variant on both NIC - fxp and em The result doesn't change ;( > Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority > tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? I developing QoS-model for big network. I have casualy found out this problem, when I analyzed the traffic with different COS-value from various devices. -- ***AOS224-RIPE*** mailto:arctic@alkar.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 18:07:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674CE1065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: from mail.gmx.com (unknown [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2EA98FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass9573@gmx.com) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Aug 2009 18:07:06 -0000 Received: from ipa78.68.107.79.tellas.gr (EHLO [192.168.23.10]) [79.107.68.78] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu002) with SMTP; 05 Aug 2009 20:07:06 +0200 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QUZkLMYbQhRL6oObqyIAJyL9FxSpf8S3QfI3d8u 5mPK/0ViACybJt Message-ID: <4A79CA3C.9050302@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:06:52 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arctic@alkar.net References: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793F2F9@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <1249493435.3092.45.camel@Father> <4A79C44D.8040803@gmx.com> <1249495034.3092.58.camel@Father> In-Reply-To: <1249495034.3092.58.camel@Father> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [?? Probable Spam] Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:07:08 -0000 Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: > I tried both variant on both NIC - fxp and em > The result doesn't change ;( You should post to net@ and maybe the maintainer will help you. Include pciconf. >> Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority >> tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? > > I developing QoS-model for big network. > I have casualy found out this problem, when I analyzed the traffic with > different COS-value from various devices. Yes, but at the end of the day FreeBSD will ignore the priority tag. It would be just cosmetic. But, I agree that you should see the correct priority tag. Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 18:16:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19805106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A058FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A3B6624E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:16:13 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h+WDcqQBkATd for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:16:11 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (cactus.bosveld.co.za [196.1.1.41]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C91266247 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:16:10 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <200908050636.43776.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <200908050636.43776.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:17:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1249496239.4520.2.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wierd X crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:16:16 -0000 On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 06:36 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > > > I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. > > > > Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP > > GeForce FX 5200. > > > > > > My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, > > but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of > > text) X crashes. > > Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like backspace > in an empty file? > Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a > coredump :/ > The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which does > the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. There's > detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. Twinview did indeed completely solve the problem! What are the (dis)advantages of TwinView and Xinerama? Thanks! Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 18:33:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052CA106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81AC8FC15 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164071E244; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:33:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n75IXbqO001580; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:33:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:33:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jonathan McKeown Message-Id: <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:33:46 -0000 Jonathan, I'd like to thank you for your polite words. I'm not sure I could have been able to express in the same way. Allow me a few comments: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:51:53 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:49:38 PJ wrote: > > Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system > > You screwed up your system. Possibly that started when you tried to use > freebsd-update with a non-GENERIC kernel, but you then thrashed around, > apparently ignoring most of the help you were offered on this list and > getting into more and more trouble, while never explaining exactly what you > were doing. For any operating system is true: As long as you can't master it because you don't exactly know how to do things, it's always a little bit dangerous. > ``I can't use it, therefore it's rubbish''. That's fine, no-one forced you to > use FreeBSD in the first place and I doubt anyone minds that you don't want > to use it any more. I had a similar problem last year: My home directory is still gone and FreeBSD doesn't seem to be able to restore it. But I haven't found (a) a system that brings back my precious data and (b) can offer the same functionality and easyness of use FreeBSD does. This is, of course, a very individual problem. As you know from this list, most problems are of a less "important" nature. But failing to read the documentation - you can always ask if you don't understand what something might mean - has never been a problem. If you stick to the official handbook, no serious problems should occur. > Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, since > FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix concepts on > board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also supported by one of the > friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I know. In relations to most Linusi and MICROS~1 stuff in general, FreeBSD is the MOST EXCELLENT documented OS I've ever used - and I have used many OSes during my "career". The FAQ, the handbook and especially the manpages are great. Of course, that's my point of view as a developer. For a "normal user", this might look a bit different, but finally, there's this very helpful and friendly list. > Having said all that, I wish you well and I hope you find a system which suits > you better than the one you have trashed. I honestly second that. If FreeBSD isn't your cup of tea, try something else. I'm sure you'll find some OS that fits your needs better. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 18:35:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295841065678 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalle.moller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C588FC1D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalle.moller@gmail.com) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so255028bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:35:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j6CbtFU8KW0lzpG82j163w3WyPqj+mG9oAaHYvHhx0A=; b=sP9zIjrefyT2SZuhKjaxkuFEnJqdDo/BVe2ZGUdqrbn39Gkad0zz2auJVnl+QLukpR Zw6eQA77yZrMce/5dKe2a7p2/TSHPpJ/KWvAxcgLhwkeqJflSXjnidfWd/5HoOyIm0oi ehG+i4PlIYqhFDhZ0rW/KHYzukGBRdHksfBj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=oFrJHMgSSmXGBekWieuFWX177kL9d6O/hZOB6DYSndy9ejkvn+hVXh/wRMo5Se77nm 3Z5ac+dZUIWO5JFtWKTGlt2AFl1D4ci37FMsbvrTxKuc+grj3DFYlkkVhE4slYKljr1L QB49ONBhljPV2Mx2sS4AoMvWyFdk9TAMhRpY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kalle.moller@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.62.133 with SMTP id x5mr1180671bkh.60.1249497302547; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:35:02 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8f691b7b35bf79c5 Message-ID: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kalle_M=F8ller?= To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:35:04 -0000 Hi I'm trying to build flowd with perl make WITH_PERL=3D"YES" But it returns that it is broken ? flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to get some of the other tools to work :S Anything I can do to get this not broken ... --=20 Med Venlig Hilsen Kalle R. M=F8ller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 19:19:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE33E106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD938FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325EC7E818 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:41:41 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:41:40 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <200908050636.43776.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <1249496239.4520.2.camel@penguin.coert.local> In-Reply-To: <1249496239.4520.2.camel@penguin.coert.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051041.40265.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: Wierd X crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:19:10 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:17:19 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 06:36 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > > > I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. > > > > > > Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP > > > GeForce FX 5200. > > > > > > > > > My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, > > > but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of > > > text) X crashes. > > > > Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like > > backspace in an empty file? > > Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a > > coredump :/ > > The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which > > does the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. > > There's detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. > > Twinview did indeed completely solve the problem! > > What are the (dis)advantages of TwinView and Xinerama? TwinView is preferred on nvidia cards. I don't know the exact history, but I think XFree and nvidia were working on multi-monitor/vidcard support around the same time and nvidia came up with TwinView, while XFree provided Xinerama. Apparently, nvidia didn't like the Xinerama API and stuck with it's own, while incorporating some compatibility functions to make things work better, but I always found TwinView to work as advertized and Xinerama being buggy. Of course, my experience is no measurement for past and future results ;) -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 19:23:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282FC106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74C48FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73131DBA0; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n75Iidq9001620; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:44:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:44:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Southwell Message-Id: <20090805204439.84e28b87.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200908051000.09434.david@vizion2000.net> References: <4ad871310908041456h433eeb01s87095a05984433e3@mail.gmail.com> <200908051000.09434.david@vizion2000.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "b. f." Subject: Re: cvs tag usage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:23:56 -0000 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:00:09 +0100, David Southwell wrote: > I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: > > RELENG_7_BP > RELENG_7_2_BP > RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE > RELENG_7_2 > > But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! The -p2 is appended when you follow RELENG_7_2, which is the security branch (release branch) of FreeBSD 7.2. You will get ONLY the patches. For example, when the second patch is applied and you download, compile and install the OS, uname will give 7.2-RELEASE-p2. If you follow RELENG_7, you get the stable branch. Here, more than just the patches are delivered to you when updating the sources. So you won't get -p2, but something like 7.0-STABLE together with your compile date. As far as I know, /etc/motd will be updated and then show 7.2-STABLE-20090101 (the proper date of course). The -STABLE branch is a bit experimental, allthough it includes those things that are considered to be running well. If you are interested in the "bleeding edge" of FreeBSD's development, you follow RELENG_7. This will then deliver the -CURRENT branch to you with all modifications. It may happen that a -CURRENT of today doesn't compile, but tomorrow, it will do. It's considered to be the experimental branch where changes can appear and disappear. > To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 > will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore keep > track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? Exactly. You follow the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD 7.2 and will always get the latest *stable* 7.2 sources, but won't reach 7.3 with this setting. > or > do I need to use something like: > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2 No. As far as I know, you can't update to a specific patchlevel in this way. But using CVS correctly - don't ask me how to do this :-) - you can update your system to any point of time in development. > or > something else!! Or else. :-) > Where can I find some explanation on this? The handbook mentions it in its comparison between RELEASE and STABLE. > Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the > handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup > could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of > undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. Good idea. > Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from uname > -a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable. The "problem" is that there are different naming conventions. > Please do > not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question > born of ignorance and confusion I already had horsehead goulash with sauerkraut, thanks. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 19:24:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A3D10656C3 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35148FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142877E82C; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:48:04 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:48:02 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:24:09 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > make WITH_PERL=3D"YES" > > But it returns that it is broken ? > > flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. > > Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to > get some of the other tools to work :S > > Anything I can do to get this not broken ... You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). =2D-=20 Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 19:39:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3DA1065674 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@enabled.com) Received: from enabled.com (www-virt.enabled.com [174.143.253.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DA98FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.72.111.80] (nat-dip4.cfw-a-gci.corp.yahoo.com [209.131.62.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by enabled.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54BF2E1591 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A79D704.2030908@enabled.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:01:24 -0700 From: Admin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: new machine trying to install /usr/ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:39:23 -0000 hi there, I am trying to get some basic ports tools installed on a new machine. I downloaded the entire ports.tar.gz and then placed all those contents in /usr/ports What are the best next steps to follow to get things up an running? I was hoping to install portsnap but here the error I am receiving. What is wrong? su-3.2# pkg_add -r portsnap Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz' by URL Cheers, Noah From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 19:47:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F460106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1ED8FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so429416yxe.3 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VjJMGiym397VsF1Q/ltffy0AG15jGfDNYfReFw6mWR8=; b=Z4QhYx7Ekyav5gR56+s5JKo/PaktKSrhRr7vGGD2dVdbazlKbdRc3F4PLQPt/SaRnn Chp2ympcs82JhVZiec5MqNc7+mt92GYlui5TkpuTgCvOE9uQ9MKvrxguhpyWpWFE6y3C XGDUwIFsDEgasEKx0c98R6dHrKuHQNF0EIzjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OV6/IOGe6/4USK0PWGPf0Xynxc5QfsQxvikkY4+k09YRog7A/zBRbB+fNcm9MScOhX tR3R5HFULfZl9T04hbEEGLALZAVsteEWNwfWEsr2+x/TazVSWMwkczjtPqdYNEWB9Mlv hBIOq8dpbMehEkZJiuYLIGSq3czh9E+9cyG5s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.150.17 with SMTP id c17mr14993027ybo.336.1249501626104; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A79D704.2030908@enabled.com> References: <4A79D704.2030908@enabled.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Admin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new machine trying to install /usr/ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:47:07 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Admin wrote: > hi there, > > I am trying to get some basic ports tools installed on a new machine. =A0= I > downloaded the entire ports.tar.gz and then placed all those contents in > /usr/ports > > What are the best next steps to follow to get things up an running? =A0I = was > hoping to install portsnap but here the error I am receiving. =A0What is > wrong? > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/portsnap.html > > su-3.2# pkg_add -r portsnap > Error: FTP Unable to get > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/po= rtsnap.tbz: > File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > pkg_add: unable to fetch > 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/p= ortsnap.tbz' > by URL > > > Cheers, > > Noah > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 20:57:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B454106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3458FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MYnYE-000289-LK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:57:34 +0000 Received: from pool-70-21-5-173.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.5.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:57:34 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-5-173.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:57:34 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:57:34 -0400 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-5-173.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:57:39 -0000 Polytropon wrote: [snip] > >> Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, >> since FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix >> concepts on board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also >> supported by one of the friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I >> know. > > In relations to most Linusi and MICROS~1 stuff in general, FreeBSD is the > MOST EXCELLENT documented OS I've ever used - and I have used many OSes > during my "career". The FAQ, the handbook and especially the manpages are > great. Of course, that's my point of view as a developer. For a "normal > user", this might look a bit different, but finally, there's this very > helpful and friendly list. > Many people's only familiarity with computers in general will be from a Windows centric perspective. Somehow there is a tendency to believe that inserting a CD, booting, and then proceeding to click "OK" in a dialog box a few dozen times makes them some kind of expert when they successfully get Windows installed. Coming from a Windows centric environment myself I initially found that there was a great deal of material to be learned, and RTFM was the way to do it. I've noticed people who come from university computer science programs have a much better foundation upon which to build. Most computer users do not fit this category, myself included. While this deficiency can be overcome with self study, I am also aware that not everyone who reads documentation necessarily understands the material. If too much background education is missing the documentation just resembles gobbeldy-gook and is ignored, with the fall back position of "click OK a few dozen times and the OS will take care of it for me" expected to pick up the slack. I would not be where I am today in my understanding and use of FreeBSD if not for the excellent documentation and surrounding community. I feel I owe my success in utilizing FreeBSD to the people who took the time to write this stuff down for people like me to use. It is with a great measure of gratitude to these people I owe my success. [snip] -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 20:59:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388721065688 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA8E8FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6822366247 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:59:01 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGgvrfa7UWmZ for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:58:59 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (cactus.bosveld.co.za [196.1.1.41]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699A466235 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:58:59 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:59:04 -0000 Hello all, What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. Regards, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:01:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86BB106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmcgover@cisco.com) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656998FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:01:13 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEAN9ueUpAZnmf/2dsb2JhbACKCpATgRuhOoEUCAGHDJBtBYQYgVGGAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,330,1246838400"; d="scan'208";a="53076985" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2009 18:39:03 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n75Id3Jh025704 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:39:03 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n75Id3VR019998 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:39:03 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-205.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.59]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:39:03 -0400 Received: from 161.44.65.27 ([161.44.65.27]) by xmb-rtp-205.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.59]) via Exchange Front-End Server email.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:39:02 +0000 Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com by email.cisco.com; 05 Aug 2009 14:39:39 -0400 From: Brian McGovern To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:39:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1249497579.39696.78.camel@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2009 18:39:03.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[01432540:01CA15FC] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2486; t=1249497543; x=1250361543; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=bmcgover@cisco.com; z=From:=20Brian=20McGovern=20 |Subject:=20Writing=20to=20a=20uhid=20device? |Sender:=20 |To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; bh=sBrN7LaE43Zej7SbquKw7LK1hw8Dg5kC+Up8NrRqr28=; b=ODKmAByDSzHJa3nX0j5EneuJ8D7tL6NiVcMX3+gIUeSHuHyJPyrQyhJcRU XsJCbqcisPVnzzk7i98BQ5Y8c6MO7/So3A6d0V08V8fMc4ELQ0KhjrX6aPUL VniZS8Hqs0; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=bmcgover@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Writing to a uhid device? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bmcgover@cisco.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:01:15 -0000 I picked up a Velleman K8055 digital I/O controller that connects to a PC via a USB port. FreeBSD picks up this device as a uhid, and I can see the following elements: bmcgover-pc# usbhidctl -f /dev/uhid2 -r Report descriptor: Collection page=Microsoft usage=0x0001 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0001, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0002, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0003, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0004, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0005, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0006, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0007, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0008, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0001, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0002, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0003, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0004, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0005, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0006, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0007, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0008, logical range 0..255 End collection Total input size 8 bytes Total output size 0 bytes Total feature size 0 bytes Reading from the device 8 bytes at a time does whats expected - I can see the digital and analog inputs, the counters, etc, and all is fine. However, I notice on the above output that the "total output size" is 0, and writing 8 bytes of information to the device seems to do nothing for the outputs. I'm guessing at this point that its an issue somewhere with the driver, but a quick look at uhid_do_write() looks like its doing something, although the behavior changes around sc->sc_oid and sc->sc_osize (possible issue with the 'total output size' being 0, above?). Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas, or better yet, experience with such devices, before I spend a couple of days of banging my head against the wall trying to figure out whats happening "under the hood"? Is there a special/magic process? Or should I just be able to write the 8 bytes, 1 for each output, as I read the input? -B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:11:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE49A106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miklosovic.freebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4ED8FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so410462fxm.36 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:11:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=jqHjtYdZik3PLBTV2zY4xfwtTjZgzDhfBSEaWj1FabI=; b=oyW1fX4Sl4UHJVfOKskwwusTqN0GRM240Cda6WGAoAAaX7Crq+fRbDNwmCYBSqKL06 xzWCLr/o24ol1/uGNaUSbbAzngZqeNxPrtiTRBSbM0iVwtglTVXiHFWKDCCbx3obTFug ZuQtk32NPOXo/Il7cahRJhYN9GBdji3wEUtjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XqTGqBfBNwYQ1dPqHckszrwnCRNiaBFESUzJacad/5kkYIj9+2Vxw3EShpNMgvE2Zn mCBas2nvYRnwAyN9nyiXsDDRlQ8OwLmhkN8h5/ZFWZj2aakSJlB6+4H2cVqNP+5pNAT0 uJTVfFiG9xVzK4afbbC3O76aIt0wSh8lXoEeQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.223.1 with SMTP id a1mr2569131mur.51.1249506668973; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:11:08 +0200 Message-ID: From: Stefan Miklosovic To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:11:11 -0000 hi, my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? I want a solution which would work every time, not only some specific one. thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:16:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBD3106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgb@bylyd.org) Received: from bylyd.org (buhlrasmussen.eu [82.103.140.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 803838FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 70904 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Aug 2009 20:49:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:49:26 +0200 From: Morten Grunnet Buhl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090805204926.GH68878@smtp.bylyd.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1249475858.6074.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> X-URL: http://gro.bylyd.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: Wierd X crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:16:09 -0000 * Coert Waagmeester [2009-08-05 14:37 +0200]: ... > Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP > GeForce FX 5200. > > My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, > but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of > text) X crashes. ... > > Any tips would be greatly appreciated. - Take a look at this PR http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/133946 I might be what you are seeing? -- I have no signature! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:21:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B788C106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F8F8FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59F461C1A67; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A79F7E5.9020509@locolomo.org> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:21:41 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Miklosovic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:21:44 -0000 Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > hi, > > my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, > but on my pc, there is running > sshd. > > I want to make ssh to listen to only one > ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, > ssh server do not work properly. > > I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address > to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 > It is possible to do the same with ssh in case > that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? > > I want a solution which would work every time, > not only some specific one. I don't know if this will solve your problem, you can set ListenAddress in sshd_config, by default this is 0.0.0.0 or any. You can have multiple ListenAddress entries. I do not know if you can specify an ip-range, that would solve the problem I guess. It doesn't seem like you can configure sshd to bind to a particular interface, whichever address it may have, that would be the best solution. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:29:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74C81065672 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DBC8FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so422156fxm.36 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=THggz1nA0ZISGxRQ+conFxyQQK9EmaZJkazW6iSMW6g=; b=FkqnX6MKzojJDEWQjKLZ/76GRIT57BtW1p5FRem9dO9yxSuY3V/7u/JZhR2bIS7I4q nbmsLHh0aGQmYFRgBzTs1dAQ7ezoeYtYAeGjp6XlLL/u+p6oxpLV1sGNqfXLMwDYUQGo MHzwU/QBAOQSCXO4o39g6JGgwDPhnEePuWOg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DywOAGnqOkZt8AHUbcf78a1IjeMqaeXY6NxuG3AX3JsaqUA6PmyPgxX3qLDF1FmHFG Z3lRNUSKF2AhdQtldYZ43SG0vkynut63lZMnxx9oI6tqvnXC5hr0+PO3NxAzUCvb3PiX HVEaWOLVngutDIDrbbGimn5XSOvcdKkfTw1Fk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr1699772fao.44.1249507769343; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908051429q5d10f62bs8d9fff4f3a2d094e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Stefan Miklosovic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:29:31 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > hi, > > my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, > but on my pc, there is running > sshd. > > I want to make ssh to listen to only one > ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, > ssh server do not work properly. > > I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address > to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 > It is possible to do the same with ssh in case > that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? > Is this a local network, inside 192.168.0.0/24 ? Are you able to configure a static IP for this machine? If not, I wrote a little script that runs every 15 minutes via cron(8) which gets my IP address, performs a diff(1) against a static file containing the current IP. If the IP is different, it mails me the new IP. However, this assumes t hat outside access is the problem, not internal access. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:30:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F1F1065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DD58FC23 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so201834eyd.7 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G/9g3S4nt4qX9emCpQ2fKQuJ5g/691G8CKU8ajwkzjg=; b=WThhr3I2eQkvETggjQL3kUjVFRbWfMHEOTIxWc7EGVYAdKrJpoPxp6gbFvXTGOsY6M XlIWkO8sg4YxiLdZiAeqfxJsM+EyHhbdL87ulcjWf5Aw43XW67VArzDUU7DBVxOKESKX YB4qnanj6f8e1l7PtYFyGFg2ObneunLlH7Kwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xkLkmAWCPHqJN+pP7mXNxeQGRyjuJcMPj8IWMwxqOeFLeW6AR1IxyF+slb8ZUyYZfF 1NJSnGGXWPmZWsHEMWWtVFKwIjtmCd76k5H5bE0pLakVcBFTGP/JhAkLcoBg9+rvQdYt 0VhCaWAO+5XdYNdbFeVZZFSlz7Z+a2cdpZFos= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.146 with SMTP id c18mr153181wef.84.1249506090068; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:01:30 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:30:05 -0000 Hi, I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: "No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller..." Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: atapci0: [...] atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] [...] atapci1: [...] ata0: on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] [...] (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload to some URL if needed.) So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: acpi0_check: nexus0 attached acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present ... in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). Anyway, I decided to try a more recent version of FreeBSD and downloaded 8.0-CURRENT-200906-amd64-disc1.iso which was the most recent snapshot for my Turion64 processor. Tried to boot it but this time the installation just freeze before the install application event starts. Last log lines are: acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preload image 4194304 bytes at 0xffffffff80fd8660 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any additional information you might need to debug the issue. Thanks! -- Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:33:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49891106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C44A8FC16 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2F71E09E; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:33:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n75LXWKP002573; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:33:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:33:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Coert Waagmeester Message-Id: <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:33:40 -0000 On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: > Hello all, > > What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? > > On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web browser in this old fashioned way. :-) Have a look at FreeBSD's ports collection. You'll find java/eclipse as well as many additions to this IDE. You can of course use the pkg_add -r command to install them, or your favourite port management program (portmaster, portinstall etc.), or use the "plain" method of "make install". There are different versions of Java availabe on FreeBSD. You can choose between Sun's JDK and the Diablo JDK, and there are some others. Sadly, I can't provide much more information because I have up using Java and Eclipse many years ago. :-( -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:33:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C8E10656B0 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFD58FC1E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so342080bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z796N44BWIg/GgBDObZVgcDV/eXZSKzjspdYv0rPOSg=; b=uMPykai0Ts/zSg20bTf/rJHHd0gK5m5mzA4TGhXlDHIhJNdPEp9sQoXPEb+du17NvO jQDwiRx27y04cW1uXM4+mRlM0vabw3jPCPU+YJRMjNj+6ZU5Nvp9P/+Dy/UQcPcSNPhU 1tjN+q+k+BpLbRpn8m3PcgazqqiK4tbdp/VkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ecQUepOujJUwVA5Wqp7w2zWka7NBbiKjweHyerJPEdK6ApZsQPZNHmuO95NOcX9KD5 lpLi2SLqxCJINwQLe1DZJ0XyOV0S7TAqk+c/j/YoWNxG4WTeWn5alzUq8TxVDbpSbTzn 3H8OOFjuY/qke9egDIC8q49kRGArG3JBmnAd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.105.72 with SMTP id s8mr1700401fao.44.1249508026038; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Miguel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:33:48 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Miguel wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. = =A0I > started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: > > =A0"No disk found! =A0Please verify that your disk controller..." > > Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first t= ime on > the FreeBSD world). =A0I get lines such as: > > atapci0: [...] > atapci0: [ITHREAD] > atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected > ata2: on atapci0 > ata2: [ITHREAD] > ata3: on atapci0 > ata3: [ITHREAD] > ata4: on atapci0 > ata4: [ITHREAD] > ata5: on atapci0 > ata5: [ITHREAD] > [...] > atapci1: [...] > ata0: on atapci1 > ata0: [ITHREAD] > [...] > > (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can uplo= ad to > some URL if needed.) > > So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: > > acpi0_check: nexus0 attached > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > ... > > in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the lo= gs, but > these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS= , which > unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed= (I > have a Toshiba Satellite A210). > [snip] > > acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST > device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > md0: Preload image 4194304 bytes at 0xffffffff80fd8660 > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 > warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set acc= urately > > And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. > > Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD > installation on my laptop. =A0I am, of course, available to provide any a= dditional > information you might need to debug the issue. > Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:35:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BAB10656EC for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBB78FC17 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so444177ewy.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NHghqCAxX9nvdRQaKHzTIPXRI74UPTbmEGYSetMJrPc=; b=SA7oC+t9OmsVazT/MERf1x9tpwq0o1rJUQrzI5iTw1bK6agUkyEmg250q8jh/hgCKl P8Ba4YeUhMA8Lds5YDIcsSzVddTuP/E7RbiP8J4aRjnJiHgl1vDG83/la4ZLXDzWNOcj RHTjeGxuvr2uzkQI7i3EZ1vHZ5KAoD0g8VNL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t3RjjjSb3P1hAFYZVS04UZT+HP2RaunacOLPq7gcqdViQ65EOL24kSeA+2vCPkfxrN 6J3iKrrVKPxaNUMd8K0QrwZ6BPxxxeZzRqMq734Y+EUpSA6tXtu1rn5IkExJzQbywQJt BVwGdaNuGCnCfKkAQb4Euh9Md/I/8h099XLIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.206 with SMTP id 56mr1866654weh.99.1249508143866; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:35:46 -0000 Hi Glen, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Miguel wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. = =A0I >> started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: >> >> =A0"No disk found! =A0Please verify that your disk controller..." >> >> Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first = time on >> the FreeBSD world). =A0I get lines such as: >> >> atapci0: [...] >> atapci0: [ITHREAD] >> atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected >> ata2: on atapci0 >> ata2: [ITHREAD] >> ata3: on atapci0 >> ata3: [ITHREAD] >> ata4: on atapci0 >> ata4: [ITHREAD] >> ata5: on atapci0 >> ata5: [ITHREAD] >> [...] >> atapci1: [...] >> ata0: on atapci1 >> ata0: [ITHREAD] >> [...] >> >> (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upl= oad to >> some URL if needed.) >> >> So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: >> >> acpi0_check: nexus0 attached >> acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present >> acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present >> acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present >> acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present >> ... >> >> in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the l= ogs, but >> these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIO= S, which >> unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installe= d (I >> have a Toshiba Satellite A210). >> > > > [snip] > > >> >> acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST >> device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 >> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >> md0: Preload image 4194304 bytes at 0xffffffff80fd8660 >> SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! >> WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 >> warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set ac= curately >> >> And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. >> >> Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBS= D >> installation on my laptop. =A0I am, of course, available to provide any = additional >> information you might need to debug the issue. >> > > Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? =A0It should be option 2 from > the loader menu. Yes, I tried that already with same results. Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:37:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5792810657B0 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ED18FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so343647bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2T5gUFPFWpQD3xtJcKD66QN7fwC9BlmI67sEWHsvAKo=; b=GLZ15HkPewDNMknMrHP6rzxfvth1K1ldUoJi7BxBZkucw+d6zbuUlQZyjkmfC/LnnQ oCG40U2MGQgqsyFjR2nkgKTvm6ATR+yUzZ2tvF+anf3V9NzFkx0x+o1snARZyfhN8hzX i0DV5xBv06jEpWRuGE44cHwvec4vsU1/xiiZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GKRgHDZN13t2Mo8lIcqksQCpSl8Le6FxhythmZPMf1vXLTyE1QbVQgUy9O2/7mgcqk 5ijTtsSmMqxoA6DmJs2D7oubZ4tuCc54ACZQfxNQbSBYwwrjE4JWVBWzuIGuM3+VSjKR DGGp19/h3S0aifRwHCD1MBhSsE1l4PsF/WKqc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.122.70 with SMTP id k6mr26524far.59.1249508256724; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Miguel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:37:41 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguel wrote: > Hi Glen, > >> >> Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? =A0It should be option 2 from >> the loader menu. > > Yes, I tried that already with same results. > Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a bad CD or bad burn)? Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:45:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1ED106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B1A8FC1D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so450007ewy.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gXA3M/pVR3EfxXNxQ2r9agiwsTNCOabXe47iU8Pcfhs=; b=UBYf3Pd91NpOabXFure6gfYnDVKmWXZ17NOaSeqOWu0qXSNv08klanBopeQ9YSDkoN 1J/9mJ534fZQ0S+I6UBL+205oolSTUSN57zqwasenrTDr+NraJDSolLVu/iKsg4BQ1eM WP+agdc44b54Mg4W7yKKSALrdHrta+druI2Gs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wtf2rfRixBmwkgMSyrbp1TALTGhZynd3XSCzNu8wTQ0dmEihVT3MOMiRlLRPqn20eH q/LFS+5o37+GyBSk9hZzr0t6f9YsOTnDQdzm1+ijRJp+sIARrOtUMFYGXvDlL9YEzSED FWCj5LgCW3iSNitq6WL8px0rPYHlqAM4mwGpA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.134 with SMTP id y6mr1978492wee.20.1249508757156; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:45:59 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguel wrote: >> Hi Glen, >> >>> >>> Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? =A0It should be option 2 from >>> the loader menu. >> >> Yes, I tried that already with same results. >> > > Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a > bad CD or bad burn)? The CD image seems to be fine (both of them): I have installed them on a Li= nux kvm virtual machine and there were no problems -- both are able to do the complete installation and I am able to boot the resulting image. (Sorry, no other "physical" machines available at the moment.) > Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? I would love to upgrade my BIOS but I am unable to do that -- I have not Wi= ndows installed and my vendor requires Windows to be installed in order to perfor= m the upgrade (yes, I know! I will never buy another laptop from them!) I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but not= sure if it will make any difference. As far as I understand, the snapshot I tri= ed is more recent than 8.0-BETA2. Or am I wrong? Is it worth downloading one mo= re ISO just to try it? Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:52:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959711065670 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213148FC28 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05116624C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:52:15 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0S4FNG3fk-UQ for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:52:13 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (cactus.bosveld.co.za [196.1.1.41]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3793866235 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:52:13 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:53:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:52:18 -0000 On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 23:33 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? > > > > On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. > > On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web > browser in this old fashioned way. :-) > > Have a look at FreeBSD's ports collection. You'll find java/eclipse > as well as many additions to this IDE. You can of course use > the pkg_add -r command to install them, or your favourite port > management program (portmaster, portinstall etc.), or use the > "plain" method of "make install". > > There are different versions of Java availabe on FreeBSD. You > can choose between Sun's JDK and the Diablo JDK, and there are > some others. > > Sadly, I can't provide much more information because I have up > using Java and Eclipse many years ago. :-( > > > > > I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. And I do not know if it is important enough, but I want to use Eclipse 3.5 At the moment I am installing ports/java/jdk16 And then I'll try to use the download of eclipse 3.5 Thank you so far, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 21:52:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661611065689 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D509A8FC12 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so349696bwz.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dzm/CZUpJh5zRlzd2JYzZTzFwJA/KlC3fyS3rLBmMSw=; b=M+moggIhUIT04eOJW1MohFC4DxpbssHl+0XhvYYeDjsAkGmrblwxtbJzP3WWFF35bn 76W0+eyr3/lxjg+JUA1/CCMxltMf29nyaZ9pAzirpG4NxLT0tQVa8sg2yAVWT/poC7sr sHwh4yEVP4DabE0Ujx3B4kYLvJxa1QjZ3rHKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wd5x7q4wiYQeVsH6wm0ZwIkvJQN1I+3R03C2WoDQZ6B3dvq7iUBTaBRBRNTM07hxKy kWiSQNp39Y0PDtQRxKgrNy7qlqmHLQI9wVyK6C8A9xDvjDwai21ybSJ3nbM2iG2GEbgj LdTDoHNureLyhoIhoLll9rjF5Pj1AzhYeetQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.108.211 with SMTP id g19mr190357fap.8.1249509175683; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:52:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:52:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Miguel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:52:58 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Miguel wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Glen Barber wro= te: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguel wrote: >>> Hi Glen, >>> >>>> >>>> Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? =A0It should be option 2 from >>>> the loader menu. >>> >>> Yes, I tried that already with same results. >>> >> >> Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a >> bad CD or bad burn)? > > The CD image seems to be fine (both of them): I have installed them on a = Linux > kvm virtual machine and there were no problems -- both are able to do the > complete installation and I am able to boot the resulting image. > > (Sorry, no other "physical" machines available at the moment.) > That's fine. At least you know the media / image are working. >> Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? > > I would love to upgrade my BIOS but I am unable to do that -- I have not = Windows > installed and my vendor requires Windows to be installed in order to perf= orm the > upgrade (yes, I know! =A0I will never buy another laptop from them!) > No comment. :-) > I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but n= ot sure > if it will make any difference. =A0As far as I understand, the snapshot I= tried is > more recent than 8.0-BETA2. =A0Or am I wrong? =A0Is it worth downloading = one more > ISO just to try it? > The -BETA, -BETA1, -BETA2 images are run the same way -RELEASE images are -- once the image is released, there are no further updates to it. That is why when you download a -RELEASE, any patches that may have been released afterwards are not reflected in the install image. For what it's worth, I tried the -BETA2 image on my laptop, and the ndis driver was causing panics. I used 7.2-RELEASE to install the OS, and rebuilt world/kernel from my build machine using NFS, and the panics went away. After rereading your original question, you were using a -CURRENT snapshot to install -- -BETA2 was released a few weeks ago. It may have the problem fixed, yes, but it is not guaranteed. To answer your question, "is it worth downloading...": that depends. If you're willing to waste another CD if it fails, is up to you, but your problem may be fixed in -BETA2. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:10:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CC4106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FBA8FC14 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so206702eyd.7 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x8sJ+oeXNnul8Az74N9mnNapBoILtpcN/LMVluFppeU=; b=d+hPjWjqDOqh2bVQE/lhWIqTKeVdfCYZlxzoXac5YKDfhaVhs2T+pCvPig4dEoovTS iY5qHe4R4EN2xwQPO7cJ1fYBa0oLlRkZtOL18rsDDqoGUeGEPBdcwkjjN/3aB3iueign euOeTzz6hPLWnxB7MaAbxQBXd77ga8pSdWb64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K2NF6Dmuulfz24+vK6YYE4wGkZ/6nx7fbgfWo/0cxiqaPTdmV98dCmiQdvWfbcCcE9 ubIg4e30jybAHMsh97fptdVLvk/PqO+xJtsJfZG3/3WbsonylzOfhNy8BADVHc8PQz3C Hre3QFMsm0gXMVl/OXOT6QP/b0Nv9sxbgYLwo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.22.78 with SMTP id s56mr1831866wes.100.1249510256310; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:10:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051510y7c539328t15860b12b36d938c@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:10:58 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : >> I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but = not sure >> if it will make any difference. =A0As far as I understand, the snapshot = I tried is >> more recent than 8.0-BETA2. =A0Or am I wrong? =A0Is it worth downloading= one more >> ISO just to try it? >> > > The -BETA, -BETA1, -BETA2 images are run the same way -RELEASE images > are -- once the image is released, there are no further updates to it. > =A0That is why when you download a -RELEASE, any patches that may have > been released afterwards are not reflected in the install image. > > For what it's worth, I tried the -BETA2 image on my laptop, and the > ndis driver was causing panics. =A0I used 7.2-RELEASE to install the OS, > and rebuilt world/kernel from my build machine using NFS, and the > panics went away. > > After rereading your original question, you were using a -CURRENT > snapshot to install -- -BETA2 was released a few weeks ago. =A0It may > have the problem fixed, yes, but it is not guaranteed. =A0To answer your > question, "is it worth downloading...": that depends. =A0If you're > willing to waste another CD if it fails, is up to you, but your > problem may be fixed in -BETA2. Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the snaps= hot I tried. Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. My problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from freebs= d.org that I could replace in my ISO? Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:11:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B1C106567B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0978C8FC15 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C1E1DB34; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n75MBRrH006976; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:11:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:11:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Coert Waagmeester Message-Id: <20090806001127.461c7148.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:11:34 -0000 On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:53:22 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: > I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: > Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. Seems to be a dependency. As far as I investigated the port's Makefile, gpatch should be fine, too. Instead of building the (g)patch utility, you could surely use pkg_add -r (g)patch to install it. I tried "make" in devel/patch and it seems to run well. Maybe you try to install (even build) patch prior to a new "make" attempt for eclipse. > And I do not know if it is important enough, but I want to use Eclipse > 3.5 As far as I checked, pkg_add will provide 3.4.? only at the moment. > And then I'll try to use the download of eclipse 3.5 If it runs on FreeBSD, there should be no problem. If it's a Linux binary, enable the Linux ABI which should make it run, too. > Thank you so far, > Coert Good luck! -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:38:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FA51065677 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB778FC27 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so209385eyd.7 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EfKtPS0l1pmqCZb9PNknA/DpcqbIS1ar8t2sryF7quQ=; b=aOxmiIs3aikqXv+/tsCOvBjk1OwQX69byN1Im4EhXzzSpMPyKbaV35SF3qUrB3DfE/ hmiVxexPPDTPwGKP+NwRX6pmm8Xz6GVUuNiuCSnMGOVJ3C6I6+tt6JWN5U5jxbOmLUF3 CHoDUvDu8oH+QtrmcXjwd4BEMs1ryQXg6Eu5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qUpJOxqRUcqCmSf+5MTVGNQu98XNxr5CmGZh5ymi6uHWxV5scUub3t+atPstzaXUJI pF1lZyyvyZe/VD9nDKuTsWb5b3pOdgmnr6LUQ3VcUQB2bBpWEBRNaFA1JZu2rsSczjoG NZa8CyYHDNTnOLz+KKL+7VPEZ31aWh1vIw7ds= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.7.212 with SMTP id 62mr1847439wep.92.1249511916792; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090806001127.461c7148.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090806001127.461c7148.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:38:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions , Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:38:39 -0000 I wish there was a FreeBSD package of the newest version of Eclipse CDT (or at least "ganymede" version). I do my research in Eclipse-CDT Galileo on multiple Linux systems, and it would be nice to be able to mess with things occasionally on my FreeBSD box. Although I can't recall specifics, I know things (e.g., project settings, makefile management) are done differently on the newer versions than on the version in the ports. If I'm wrong and/or I'm missing something, please, someone tell me. I'd LOVE to be wrong here :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:41:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81333106566B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520308FC08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966087E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:41:33 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:41:32 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051441.32469.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Stefan Miklosovic Subject: Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:41:34 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:11:08 Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, > but on my pc, there is running > sshd. > > I want to make ssh to listen to only one > ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, > ssh server do not work properly. > > I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address > to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 > It is possible to do the same with ssh in case > that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? > > I want a solution which would work every time, > not only some specific one. Create a script called /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks. Check the dhclient-script manpage for some info on the available variables. From there you can work out if $new_ip_address is different from $old_ip_address, rewrite /etc/sshd_config with the new ip address and restart sshd. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:43:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1F41065678 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BE18FC0A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2009 18:43:13 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id QBW17668; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:42:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2009 18:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7A0AE0.9050403@rcn.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:42:40 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4ad871310908051429q5d10f62bs8d9fff4f3a2d094e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051429q5d10f62bs8d9fff4f3a2d094e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:43:15 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: >> my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, >> but on my pc, there is running >> sshd. >> >> I want to make ssh to listen to only one >> ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, >> ssh server do not work properly. >> >> I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address >> to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 >> It is possible to do the same with ssh in case >> that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? >> > > Is this a local network, inside 192.168.0.0/24 ? Are you able to > configure a static IP for this machine? > > If not, I wrote a little script that runs every 15 minutes via cron(8) > which gets my IP address, performs a diff(1) against a static file > containing the current IP. If the IP is different, it mails me the > new IP. However, this assumes that outside access is the problem, > not internal access. I have a set of scripts I run when I know I have been handed a different address; they're not pretty, but they change the IP for sshd.conf and various stuff in bind. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:48:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902D2106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4688FC0C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so467695fxm.36 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+NGYj9Ioo1Wcd646+iQlw/RQqX6IH1IKNr/IxxbWFGc=; b=hUMH0EAB0fgP7nzNWxulEHrMefLh76OJQCcAaXM34hRCSc3gGvskqVzA47AXe+2Ulg 6j6p0rqS7zc7Ix1BDCYvuQgOg/6R8WgIOnXjn/9d26S9htLC0USvWcyNpgJp9a9jEwvU GiS6Fv+worGUotxomaZ3FNKXTe/pPRdhw6BKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NjWR16wG+HVlkydh4i7D6FRWtDmSx/zeo7BzI7ZJm/owI1cZl4I9eUKQB1kflI/GV6 mgezahC5ShbH/1XOhL5QhFjykg143EX4aBO/J7d+UI9WN6aX4IVEg/u1adVPgSNRQosC VZXwZ3U6F3xVy8B0XiImhnLW7bc1ern0deuq4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.108.211 with SMTP id g19mr198445fap.8.1249512511166; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908051510y7c539328t15860b12b36d938c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051510y7c539328t15860b12b36d938c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908051548m5bf426c3q57a4f1cfb97176aa@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: Miguel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:48:32 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguel wrote: > Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the sna= pshot I > tried. =A0Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. = =A0My > problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow > connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. > Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed though. > Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from free= bsd.org > that I could replace in my ISO? > Not that I am aware of. --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:50:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33170106568D for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34088FC1E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663247E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:50:04 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:50:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> In-Reply-To: <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051450.03490.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:50:05 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: > Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings with whatever method you're using. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 22:55:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC86F106566C for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BA58FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so484894ewy.43 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1CSKnsRZbzG2dVzehv4S/OQLdhjuKP4UdhNTcMwEyX0=; b=sIyTSwKepcr+Yxg/Be5++OzKY5WSCn8WKVVfO+JA/UI+leSTI45Z4vNN740qEfsFYl Oyw88xo3AWuop8AuoxGzg3aMLGkzun8yGQqyFlU5TdM/wQSDnhn7XGIV+7JLP/Ty4kDe EjX57stHmNfGdaf2YyrXksxp4GM64dq6x2rTk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B49V4d5pQMKZ/QDwzoxQkz4uZMIndS/fmuUwDYzHXwMboSCqM3EBbzIlUWtk3cJv19 GGl238u3/mDayCHOQBtuzYKVFFf9AVVIABSgIGOc3a2iYrY5G2SG16qMBIGs5Ndbmqnf /7SXNu8JrU5DnUJbuRVcqW54gSVmw1Avjg1SU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.10 with SMTP id g10mr1866826wef.71.1249512940071; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:55:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051548m5bf426c3q57a4f1cfb97176aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051510y7c539328t15860b12b36d938c@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051548m5bf426c3q57a4f1cfb97176aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051555j1d79e3a1k2bc32b57b61c5d17@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:55:41 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguel wrote: >> Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the sn= apshot I >> tried. =A0Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. = =A0My >> problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow >> connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. >> > > Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed thoug= h. Hmm... Ok, I will try it then. Not sure if I am able to do this today, but I try it. >> Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from fre= ebsd.org >> that I could replace in my ISO? >> > > Not that I am aware of. Right, I could not find it too. Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 23:53:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44A106564A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tfcheng@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f201.google.com (mail-yw0-f201.google.com [209.85.211.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C183F8FC13 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh40 with SMTP id 40so624238ywh.14 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:53:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=0ZWQzHMt79hbsr9Ukb7Wzv8NoeRVUeZP3ua0UMCPodY=; b=Pa2Wxp1KdFLeM4tC98L5ukOl9OuycE8eICD/+/0R1rGL9BC3wQvtMSkaVv72O3SCbp ZtqYlwu7ymR5xhJmkjT0mzD/M/0/avviIaRs0LUu4HVNPdz4kJTzpTTYCp44i9z5GJmr LtGxUjEP9hac41Dd8hO1Nbar8ufxW4+h9TeFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=pgBM0xEXp7WaeQ7hN9MgkbQRmohLiCZYvbMOhcexGeGvBykj/3ycD2BYWgl/u0THyv qwmGyEzlsbv7mKQiM3y1d/N+QpMtDq+lgj8nA/VQabbaNks6HKgNtvTdQP1h9PZ8gDIM KDKynQ/fFRZttCQTKeQ/q6d5P/myeZRmSCVyM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.68.12 with SMTP id q12mr521868aga.38.1249516418621; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:53:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Tsu-Fan Cheng To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: qt4 issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:53:40 -0000 Hi, just update ports today and found out qt4 splitting into more ports. I am not sure why I install qt4 in the first place, and I don't run KDE. Can someone remind me of possible use of qt4 in a system? And, the only necessary qt I need is qt-copy, which is deported, I guess. How can I fix this?? thx TFC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 5 23:54:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968321065687 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:54:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5998FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so609195yxe.3 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ytwDsAVd1GcHiSgLIvIkurBpbpKcfij9wzcacgSkG/Q=; b=Vn5qVdKwg53PoRjzb18F0oZ//0GmMJMF9bv23Xz7rvnuSm6fRqmkhM3gl47gsyQG/y tviJEa0P3rSPT/s0s6yYrfIqkoUHl+sQdweJrKLLqkTs/wUdBAc11URbKpnMSOcbb28P hOTJKwVp0Zoz4K6x6bykTJcYG4088Xf/IsiNY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lOm22kENG9s7xhihiUc3CTtL8os0/8IJqtxixERuevvarZj11iUOi5Mdn4VERhH4Y7 0hBxU0CQGtJXNW2eM7lzbg5Qf3WWGCopyTJhRWXI2LYeWr2g9w9q7GqyA8l3lEhafIWS TiIbBQI/byxF73ioniqS62VA0CoI4uVh9sH6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.100.20 with SMTP id x20mr4389372agb.45.1249516470244; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6579ba376a1ddbe9c4edc1e0d750bdc3.squirrel@email.polands.org> References: <06297f4d151cb94042e8efd01e04afdb.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090729170409.979FF7816C@mail2.asahi-net.or.jp> <6579ba376a1ddbe9c4edc1e0d750bdc3.squirrel@email.polands.org> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:54:30 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Doug Poland Subject: Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:54:32 -0000 On 7/29/09, Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: >> >> At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, >> Doug Poland wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card >>> working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). >>> >>> I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with >>> >>> options COM_MULTIPORT >>> >>> and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? >>> devices in /dev. >>> >>> After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man sio(4) >>> talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my particular >>> hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. >>> >>> Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. >>> >>> >> Hi. >> >> If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you should >> load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these drivers >> are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to remove sio(4) or >> uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable module. >> >> The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the >> kernel. i.e.: >> >> sio(4) puc(4) status >> or uart(4) >> ---------------------------------------- >> module module work >> builtin builtin work >> builtin module not work <- current choice? >> module builtin not work >> ---------------------------------------- >> (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) >> >> Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. >> > I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as modules > in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? devices! > > Many thanks for your help. > > -- > Regards, > Doug Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success Doug, can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? pciconf -lvvv thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 00:04:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34560106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:04:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com (mail-ew0-f223.google.com [209.85.219.223]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDB78FC12 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so540029ewy.8 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:04:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=za5NqpdQr62v4nEO6dhIFW0/mjksH8SNuGDAj3s3Vc0=; b=E4l5UGHCRRMBsaddxXWagfoik5ld7GRVtGIjj9dP6Uekh1FAtUegw8u5tKzkJzGMiX 2XnE1R34rMpYDf4paPTtwcV2xoU0HLXDhNS0LKERDHQerhuo9TWaq1jGwC4Lw0FQNw5K ZOvF85PfndEL9298D/R67b5oH8yDIPTVcBNlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CwxCmIu5jlw/uWcs8t6ZWn04v76dlrzXXUFTeJnzD9xsXlvG5s1MAojGqw1gZ1XFix JvDFRy4VGzmmcQ/o/68iUY+OwWmfkwLCn9PI//mQ0LRkKNvmZx0g84/HfgAiQaOGvox5 38CDXAEjcGbgPb+txlo18ZD6FhZRci/Xoblrs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.48.209 with SMTP id v59mr1829112web.78.1249517093899; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:04:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908051548m5bf426c3q57a4f1cfb97176aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051433u6c3fdfadt6ee5af3280a6e89e@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051435g2b1d35a3pf5d4a71af74329d8@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051437l3a24a911le2534ffc964d13b8@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051445w52a638cfm6eebb2ec42db7132@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051452y7b75109ag56a652dc7cb23aba@mail.gmail.com> <5b2efe7c0908051510y7c539328t15860b12b36d938c@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310908051548m5bf426c3q57a4f1cfb97176aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:04:53 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908051704g3e012cc3g977b3ef374cd13d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:04:56 -0000 On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Glen Barber wrote= : > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguel wrote: >> Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the sn= apshot I >> tried. =A0Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. = =A0My >> problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow >> connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. >> > > Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed thoug= h. Ok, some updates: I downloaded 8.0-BETA2 ISO and the result was exactly the same, i.e., system freezes during CD boot in the same point as before. Thi= s time I did not actually tried to install the CD on a virtual machine, but I= can not believe it is a problem with the CD image ;-) This time I disabled _everything_ I could disable in my BIOS and selected several options from the boot manager: the default option, the option with = ACPI disabled, the option "safe-mode" (or something like that...) and finally th= e "verbose" option, which gave me some more information. Here's the last mes= sages I see in the console before freeze: start_init: trying /sbin/init start_init: trying /sbin/oinit start_init: trying /sbin/init.bak start_init: trying /rescue/init start_init: trying /stand/sysinstall And that's all. Any ideas? :-( Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 00:28:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1062F1065673 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC428FC1B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from haran.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090806002845568.GOGC25718@hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com>; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:28:45 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n760SitP000283; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n760SiYT083792; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n760SinG083791; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:44 -0500 From: Doug Poland To: Tim Judd Message-ID: <20090806002844.GA83722@polands.org> References: <06297f4d151cb94042e8efd01e04afdb.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090729170409.979FF7816C@mail2.asahi-net.or.jp> <6579ba376a1ddbe9c4edc1e0d750bdc3.squirrel@email.polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:28:47 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > On 7/29/09, Doug Poland wrote: > > On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: > >> > >> At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, > >> Doug Poland wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card > >>> working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). > >>> > >>> I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with > >>> > >>> options COM_MULTIPORT > >>> > >>> and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? > >>> devices in /dev. > >>> > >>> After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man > >>> sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my > >>> particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. > >>> > >>> Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. > >>> > >>> > >> Hi. > >> > >> If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you > >> should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these > >> drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to > >> remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable > >> module. > >> > >> The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the > >> kernel. i.e.: > >> > >> sio(4) puc(4) status > >> or uart(4) > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> module module work > >> builtin builtin work > >> builtin module not work <- current choice? > >> module builtin not work > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) > >> > >> Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. > >> > > Watanabe, > > > > I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as > > modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? > > devices! > > > > Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He > followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success > > Doug, > can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? > > pciconf -lvvv > Certainly... hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci2@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib1@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atapci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus none1@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '815B104D multimedia audio device (codec AC97) SoundMAX or VIA' class = multimedia subclass = audio puc0@pci0:1:9:0: class=0x070080 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16801393 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Moxa Technologies Co Ltd' device = 'C168H/PCI Smartio' class = simple comms subclass = UART em0@pci0:1:12:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x100e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet Also, kernel config just in case you need it: ident GENERIC-MUX-SIO include GENERIC options COM_MULTIPORT nooptions sio nooptions uart and /boot/loader.conf: sio_load="YES" puc_load="YES" snd_ich_load="NO" Good luck! -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 00:34:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B7C106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906EB8FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so632838yxe.3 for ; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SC14WkYVVpvnm8zsAhWvi7N7ptKka9XHpgId04sAi3M=; b=gFocCI1CRHqPS9pDTrtmKhnIWqhHIwCGzsk/YmPMywHA8V+q2bwiIvv6y6r15i6fWU 2vuQSuEtk6sXuaW9WHxZBCdCxQeCEitsgWObVAp3Ds9JkDGTROcNL6FPRnU+YhCBxfHs On92uITs9+H3p9QzPaD2n2sVHF4HuuekD+IEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OshiOwPQW9OIIEyipAr6P3DkEUWfUiwQ1EWGfiSuIbg3iDLwGWk/goC58VLggvt/cz QYhPgyEebD5BjHkWYzTXpoAU3pTupA/nm1Bty4vb9DJ7Q4/ycYjp/IuDWbgYfUYZxG9U 0jmxd6tcZk+fCA6ZYA2qFtj/DCbqkl5hCHJHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.240.5 with SMTP id n5mr11550717anh.103.1249518885682; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:34:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090806002844.GA83722@polands.org> References: <06297f4d151cb94042e8efd01e04afdb.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090729170409.979FF7816C@mail2.asahi-net.or.jp> <6579ba376a1ddbe9c4edc1e0d750bdc3.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090806002844.GA83722@polands.org> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:34:45 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Doug Poland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:34:47 -0000 On 8/5/09, Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: >> On 7/29/09, Doug Poland wrote: >> > On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: >> >> >> >> At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, >> >> Doug Poland wrote: >> >>> Hello, >> >>> >> >>> I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card >> >>> working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). >> >>> >> >>> I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with >> >>> >> >>> options COM_MULTIPORT >> >>> >> >>> and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? >> >>> devices in /dev. >> >>> >> >>> After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man >> >>> sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my >> >>> particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. >> >>> >> >>> Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you >> >> should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these >> >> drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to >> >> remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable >> >> module. >> >> >> >> The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the >> >> kernel. i.e.: >> >> >> >> sio(4) puc(4) status >> >> or uart(4) >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> module module work >> >> builtin builtin work >> >> builtin module not work <- current choice? >> >> module builtin not work >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) >> >> >> >> Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. >> >> >> > Watanabe, >> > >> > I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as >> > modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? >> > devices! >> > >> >> Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He >> followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success >> >> Doug, >> can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? >> >> pciconf -lvvv >> > Certainly... > > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' > class = bridge > subclass = HOST-PCI > vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' > class = display > subclass = VGA > uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci2@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > uhci3@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = USB > pcib1@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 > hdr=0x01 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub > Interface to PCI Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-PCI > isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' > class = bridge > subclass = PCI-ISA > atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > atapci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' > class = mass storage > subclass = ATA > none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller' > class = serial bus > subclass = SMBus > none1@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '815B104D multimedia audio device (codec AC97) SoundMAX or > VIA' > class = multimedia > subclass = audio > puc0@pci0:1:9:0: class=0x070080 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16801393 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Moxa Technologies Co Ltd' > device = 'C168H/PCI Smartio' > class = simple comms > subclass = UART > em0@pci0:1:12:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x100e8086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > device = '82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller' > class = network > subclass = ethernet > > > Also, kernel config just in case you need it: > > ident GENERIC-MUX-SIO > include GENERIC > options COM_MULTIPORT > nooptions sio > nooptions uart > > and /boot/loader.conf: > sio_load="YES" > puc_load="YES" > snd_ich_load="NO" > > > Good luck! > Thanks Doug! He has the PCI device ID 1682, and you have the 1680. The 1682 is not already in the driver. I've added it to his driver and we're recompiling right now. We'll do a quick test, then write a bug report if all looks stable. This output was very useful, thank you very much. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 00:40:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0045106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A608FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from haran.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090806004034391.EMHF6077@hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com>; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:40:34 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by haran.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n760eXxW000315; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:40:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n760eXoD083992; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:40:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n760eXdf083991; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:40:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:40:33 -0500 From: Doug Poland To: Tim Judd Message-ID: <20090806004033.GA83951@polands.org> References: <06297f4d151cb94042e8efd01e04afdb.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090729170409.979FF7816C@mail2.asahi-net.or.jp> <6579ba376a1ddbe9c4edc1e0d750bdc3.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20090806002844.GA83722@polands.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:40:36 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 06:34:45PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > On 8/5/09, Doug Poland wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > >> On 7/29/09, Doug Poland wrote: > >> > On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: > >> >> > >> >> At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, > >> >> Doug Poland wrote: > >> >>> Hello, > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card > >> >>> working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). > >> >>> > >> >>> I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with > >> >>> > >> >>> options COM_MULTIPORT > >> >>> > >> >>> and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? > >> >>> devices in /dev. > >> >>> > >> >>> After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man > >> >>> sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my > >> >>> particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. > >> >>> > >> >>> Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> Hi. > >> >> > >> >> If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you > >> >> should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But > >> >> these drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should > >> >> to remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a > >> >> loadable module. > >> >> > >> >> The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the > >> >> kernel. i.e.: > >> >> > >> >> sio(4) puc(4) status > >> >> or uart(4) > >> >> ---------------------------------------- > >> >> module module work > >> >> builtin builtin work > >> >> builtin module not work <- current choice? > >> >> module builtin not work > >> >> ---------------------------------------- > >> >> (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) > >> >> > >> >> Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. > >> >> > >> > Watanabe, > >> > > >> > I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as > >> > modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? > >> > devices! > >> > > >> > >> Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. > >> He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success > >> > >> Doug, > >> can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? > >> > >> pciconf -lvvv > >> > > Certainly... > > > > hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' > > class = bridge > > subclass = HOST-PCI > > vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' > > class = display > > subclass = VGA > > uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > uhci2@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > uhci3@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = USB > > pcib1@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 > > hdr=0x01 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub > > Interface to PCI Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-PCI > > isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' > > class = bridge > > subclass = PCI-ISA > > atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' > > class = mass storage > > subclass = ATA > > atapci1@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' > > class = mass storage > > subclass = ATA > > none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller' > > class = serial bus > > subclass = SMBus > > none1@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '815B104D multimedia audio device (codec AC97) SoundMAX or > > VIA' > > class = multimedia > > subclass = audio > > puc0@pci0:1:9:0: class=0x070080 card=0x00000000 chip=0x16801393 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Moxa Technologies Co Ltd' > > device = 'C168H/PCI Smartio' > > class = simple comms > > subclass = UART > > em0@pci0:1:12:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01511028 chip=0x100e8086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > vendor = 'Intel Corporation' > > device = '82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller' > > class = network > > subclass = ethernet > > > > > > Also, kernel config just in case you need it: > > > > ident GENERIC-MUX-SIO > > include GENERIC > > options COM_MULTIPORT > > nooptions sio > > nooptions uart > > > > and /boot/loader.conf: > > sio_load="YES" > > puc_load="YES" > > snd_ich_load="NO" > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > Thanks Doug! > > He has the PCI device ID 1682, and you have the 1680. The 1682 is not > already in the driver. I've added it to his driver and we're > recompiling right now. We'll do a quick test, then write a bug report > if all looks stable. > > > This output was very useful, thank you very much. > Glad I could be the helper, instead of the helpee for once. And thanks to Watanabe Kazuhiro. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 00:47:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B771065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8628FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4747E818; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:47:31 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:47:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908051647.30315.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Miguel , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:47:33 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:01:30 Miguel wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I > started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: > > "No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller..." > > Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first > time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: > > atapci0: [...] > atapci0: [ITHREAD] > atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected > ata2: on atapci0 > ata2: [ITHREAD] > ata3: on atapci0 > ata3: [ITHREAD] > ata4: on atapci0 > ata4: [ITHREAD] > ata5: on atapci0 > ata5: [ITHREAD] > [...] > atapci1: [...] > ata0: on atapci1 > ata0: [ITHREAD] > [...] > > (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload > to some URL if needed.) > > So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: > > acpi0_check: nexus0 attached > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present > ... > > in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the > logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a > buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not > windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). > > Anyway, I decided to try a more recent version of FreeBSD and downloaded > > 8.0-CURRENT-200906-amd64-disc1.iso > > which was the most recent snapshot for my Turion64 processor. > > Tried to boot it but this time the installation just freeze before the > install application event starts. Last log lines are: > > acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST > device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > md0: Preload image 4194304 bytes at 0xffffffff80fd8660 > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 > warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set > accurately > > And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. > > Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD > installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any > additional information you might need to debug the issue. Your best bet is to poll the mobile list (CC'd) to see if anyone was able to get FreeBSD working on this laptop (or even to know whether this is a lost cause till somebody makes some patches for this laptop). Since 7.2 also does not work and with 8.0-RELEASE being in it's final stages, it's unlikely you can get some priority from the developers for it being a regression bug. The acpi and missing disk can be related (most likely are), but unless you get at least a live FS working (even the USB image for 8.0-BETA2) it will be hard to get an acpidump(8). So this really depends on "someone knowledgeable having this laptop" or BIOS tricks that get you to a stage where more info can be gathered and saved/snapshot. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 01:46:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB25106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-10.bnguk.net (atmail-10.bnguk.net [80.74.253.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6DD8FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 01:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-10.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYs3T-0003Hl-41; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:46:07 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 910404AC20; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:46:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:46:05 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Mel Flynn Message-ID: <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Mel Flynn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Ilya Shpan'kov References: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2-RC2 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Ilya Shpan'kov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:46:19 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > [snip] > > Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a "distro", but a UNIX > operating system. :) We can't quite agree on that ;) BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very functional ATM. [snip] Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 02:51:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC24106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015D8FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n762odrQ024723 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> References: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Subject: Re: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:51:06 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:40:38AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > Hm. Last night mutt began to fail to sent mail; it exited with a > 127. When I tried to rebuilt mutt, turns out that I'm missing > GNU m4... . I'll paste the build snafus after my sig here on my > server. Ideas how things got hosed? anybody? > [[ ... ]] > > > ===> Configuring for mutt-1.4.2.3_3 > /usr/local/share/aclocal/soup.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of > AM_PATH_SOUP foo, bar, baz ... > > Well, gents [*], Somehow my installed world got partially deleted and to save myself further grief, I rebuilt everything. *Then* rebuilt mutt. portmaster gets stuck on the java stuff because we still hasta fetch it ourselves. I thought Sun was going to fix that. In any case, my diablo-jdk16 timezone file is MIA, so I'm wedged as far as further upgrading goes. Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But keeping everything current is painful. Does anybody know if PCBSD is as pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. I'd like to say kilowatts by having one "tao" that can handle everything from hacking code to playing a movie. There is the talent here to fix the fixable ... at the same time, we've all got real lives, jobs, school, families, etc. And a limited volunteer base. ...That's my dime's worth. gary [*] to spare raging replies, no, i am not a sexist/chauvinist. Only 30 years ago about a third of my computer class was female. Not to mention some drop-dead blondes in my ckt theory class... . I mean, some serious female EE talent there! :-) ... Now?? dunno. [?] :-( -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 02:53:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DAE1065677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903C18FC13 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.134] (helo=smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYt6c-0004vU-TL; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:26 +0200 Received: from [84.25.72.219] (helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp3.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYt6b-0000Cw-Cs; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:25 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06B93983C; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 04:53:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A7A45A3.4080902@boosten.org> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:23 +0200 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1MYt6b-0000Cw-Cs X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.186, required 5, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD-questions , Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:53:29 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? >> >> On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. > > On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web > browser in this old fashioned way. :-) Unfortunately this is not true for the jdk. But it's only a minor disadvantage ;-) Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 06:36:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822C41065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A368FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYwa8-00063i-O9; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:36:08 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYwZj-000Hgf-UQ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:35:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:35:40 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mel Flynn References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE19012D0F9C53655D52965F8" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:36:10 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE19012D0F9C53655D52965F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: > > =20 >> The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented = and >> created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD nam= ed >> the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Inte= l >> also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but Free= BSD >> has stuck with the name amd64. >> =20 > > This isn't completely correct. There is actually an ia64 architecture, = before=20 > Intel was ready to give up the "who dictates the PC 64bit architecture"= =20 > battle. There's a handful of CPU's who use that instruction set, but la= ter=20 > Intel switched to supporting AMD's instruction set and thus the PC 64 b= it=20 > architecture now is amd64. > > It'll be fun to see people asking in a few years why Oracle processors = are=20 > called "sparc64"... > =20 Now I come to think of it, isn't it strange apple(or IBM) never joined in the whole 64-bits naming race spactacle. No one ever calls a PowerPC 970 processor a PowerPC-64, or a IBM64 or anything like it... Nor have I ever heard the term RISC64. Too bad we won't have to worry about that anymore, since PowerPC is dead and Mac Pro's are now amd64(or Intel 64 or x86-64 whichever would be the "correct" term ;-) ) --------------enigE19012D0F9C53655D52965F8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6eb8ACgkQN9xNqOOVnWDJKwCgjH4rK+zROQk5qAke2GQTc/0E g0EAn1hGVXde5NkIvg/5VB9yLLoMcVwY =0ecg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE19012D0F9C53655D52965F8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:02:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8951065677 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B058FC20 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n7672QYV025870; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n7672PYD025869; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:25 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Anton Message-ID: <20090806070225.GA25764@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Anton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1019707548.20090805184415@sng.by> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1019707548.20090805184415@sng.by> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some problems with Marvell Yukon NIC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:02:32 -0000 On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 06:44:15PM +0300, Anton typed: > > Hello freebsd-questions, > > Found the solution here: [1]http ://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-10/msg01065 > .html > But do not know how to apply patch :-( The URL you posted says it all: Save attached patch to /path/to/patch #cd /usr/src/sys/dev/msk #patch -p0 < /path/to/patch/msk.watchdog.diff And rebuild your kernel. What else is there to know? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:07:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F3E1065673 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968878FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149506625B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:07:20 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id reFEKvrTf6pU for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:07:18 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.198] (unknown [196.1.1.198]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0D3660C7 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:07:18 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <200908051450.03490.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> <200908051450.03490.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:08:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1249542509.4568.3.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eclipse install (broken ports tree) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:07:24 -0000 On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:50 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > > > I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: > > Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. > > I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: > SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = > 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 > > If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings > with whatever method you're using. Hi Mel, In /usr/ports/ i deleted everything. Then I ran a portsnap fetch and then portsnap extract and portsnap update. But I still get Missing pkg-descr for dtach-0.8. my shasum on /usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr is the same as yours.... How can I completely wipe out the ports and start over? Regards, Coert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:13:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85353106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 240olofsson@telia.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA958FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (90.227.65.20) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u43111868) id 4A683C780010B17F; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:04:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A7262.9000402@telia.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:04:18 +0200 From: Roger Olofsson <240olofsson@telia.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Coert Waagmeester References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> In-Reply-To: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: raggen@raggens.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:13:31 -0000 Coert Waagmeester skrev: > Hello all, > > What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? > > On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. > > Regards, > Coert > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Coert, I had an issue some time back and I posted this to the list. I don't know if it'll help you. ------ Dear mailing list, I don't know if anyone has noticed or if it's my machine having stale ports but it seems that to make eclipse 3.4.1 working on FreeBSD 7.1 STABLE with diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_4 you need to do the following: Do _not_ make clean until you have made: cp /usr/ports/java/eclipse/work/plugins/org.eclipse.swt.gtk.freebsd.x86/gtk/library/libswt* /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/jre/lib/i386/client/ It seems like make install builds the swt-gtk:s but that the .jar somehow 'misses' adding them in. /Roger ------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:21:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FE6106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF188FC18 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n767LHwj048307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:21:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n767LHXX048306; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10532; Thu, 6 Aug 09 00:10:44 PDT Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:07:26 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: stark@mapper.nl Message-Id: <4a7a812e.QBbJy5xiiC3zW6lI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:21:18 -0000 Mark Stapper wrote: > ... PowerPC is dead ... I suspect both IBM and Freescale would beg to differ :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:43:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D651065673 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl (smtp-out1.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF6A8FC18 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxdk-0000hs-BS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:43:56 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxdf-000HkR-3J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:43:51 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:43:47 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9820FEF1A5519FB2B565DDCD" Subject: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:43:58 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9820FEF1A5519FB2B565DDCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Many people's only familiarity with computers in general will be from a= =20 > Windows centric perspective. Somehow there is a tendency to believe tha= t=20 > inserting a CD, booting, and then proceeding to click "OK" in a dialog = box a=20 > few dozen times makes them some kind of expert when they successfully g= et=20 > Windows installed. > > Coming from a Windows centric environment myself I initially found that= =20 > there was a great deal of material to be learned, and RTFM was the way = to do=20 > it. I've noticed people who come from university computer science progr= ams=20 > have a much better foundation upon which to build. Most computer users = do=20 > not fit this category, myself included. > > While this deficiency can be overcome with self study, I am also aware = that=20 > not everyone who reads documentation necessarily understands the materi= al.=20 > If too much background education is missing the documentation just rese= mbles=20 > gobbeldy-gook and is ignored, with the fall back position of "click OK = a few=20 > dozen times and the OS will take care of it for me" expected to pick up= the=20 > slack. > > I would not be where I am today in my understanding and use of FreeBSD = if =20 > not for the excellent documentation and surrounding community. I feel I= owe=20 > my success in utilizing FreeBSD to the people who took the time to writ= e=20 > this stuff down for people like me to use. It is with a great measure o= f=20 > gratitude to these people I owe my success. > > =20 > [snip]=20 > > -Mike > =20 In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run most) as part of a computer. How many people say "My computer is broken" when =B5$ Office doesn't star= t anymore. They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they do make sure we pay less for our components.) Even though I'd feel less "cool" or "nerdy" (which is basically the same thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and collecting the basic/standard applications. It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom of choice. However most users don't care! I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. And the circle of life continues. So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities and "I won't bother you with it but i'm updating" functionality. Just some thoughts.. I'll get back to work now... =2E.. --------------enig9820FEF1A5519FB2B565DDCD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6ibcACgkQN9xNqOOVnWAEdACglezg/Qc3El9I9DnmQykfKKAX vzIAoJCnXX6p9+YqE+zXngtmlnIpPMDh =Y00N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9820FEF1A5519FB2B565DDCD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:48:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7C710656D1 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E054E8FC18 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxiZ-0001kx-1R; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:48:55 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxiR-000Hl3-Bs; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A8ADF.1000804@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:48:47 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall Wood References: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> <20090805175728.GA7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> In-Reply-To: <20090805175728.GA7643@zafiro.therandymon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig270B381297404DF7B1CD4E3E" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:48:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig270B381297404DF7B1CD4E3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randall Wood wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: > =20 >> Has anyone tested Arora? >> =20 > > I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my f= avorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit = the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assi= gning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the le= tters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter k= ey. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a mat= ter of taste. > > Happy hunting. > =20 mmmm opera.... Opera is suitable for anyone who takes the time to configure it to their wishes. That said, it would probably suit every FreeBSD user... Am I right? I'm right, right? --------------enig270B381297404DF7B1CD4E3E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6it8ACgkQN9xNqOOVnWDPTACfZ3DzeK16+aB6+H9Y+c0jb+W8 XlsAn1bPvd/htBJrDLDJBRfLSKkfWk8B =LT9Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig270B381297404DF7B1CD4E3E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:56:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E945106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF748FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxpR-0002Kl-BG; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:56:01 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxoE-000HlJ-Rh; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:54:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A8C46.5020100@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:54:46 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090805132755.GA21963@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> <4a7a812e.QBbJy5xiiC3zW6lI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4a7a812e.QBbJy5xiiC3zW6lI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4711B0D1A20023F1166CC78F" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:56:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4711B0D1A20023F1166CC78F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Mark Stapper wrote: > =20 >> ... PowerPC is dead ... >> =20 Well yes.... (lousy excuse coming up!) I meant in the PC/Mac world... ;-) --------------enig4711B0D1A20023F1166CC78F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6jEYACgkQN9xNqOOVnWB5AQCfe8/zkxZTIdMsRjZ7MKZYaFy+ KkEAoJVB2BZ55Vht1rzS7B/9jpYwCy8x =L8ZW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4711B0D1A20023F1166CC78F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:57:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B0C106568F for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884F18FC1D for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:57:01 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=X0SxnWw+C3wXrcfJNlS0Kf0u6Dl2O4LJ7JzzJKTuoj4KrSk8tSnShDEecsB30FMj1PeBzvAzN/B0OwanBsZeioJx3Ipww0cPGcPXA4gOn//v56dSE+nmitmbYTddn77F; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:50060) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxqO-000ENE-CP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:57:00 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:56:59 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:57:04 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: > > In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement > in the FreeBSD corner. > What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use > FreeBSD. [snip] > To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: > 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) > 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. > And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the > user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind - I can't remember what the other one is called. PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified package manager. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 07:57:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5090106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2912B8FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n767vQ0T080636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:57:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n767vQ0T080636 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1249545453; bh=pdohuVoTG+yoHwxNKPgTLUIFnnPSLkErRlaIoy7DASc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Thu ,=2006=20Aug=202009=2008:57:15=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |Organization:=20Infracaninophile |User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.22=20(X11/20090727)|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|To:=20Mark=20Stapper=20|CC:=20freebsd-qu estions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20for=20the=20common= 20man(or=20woman)|References:=20<4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca>=09 <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de>=09<4A798DF2.3020305@vid eotron.ca>=09<200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za>=09<2009080520 3337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de>=09=20< 4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl>|In-Reply-To:=20<4A7A89B3.6010206@mappe r.nl>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.7|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Conten t-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20proto col=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"--------- ---enig19DAE6740626808E6AF1DCB0"; b=nYGMdCh0YG8DksekvlQDX5gtXb//J4meKQy2YoQv+Fq6uBnU/X5kGtmwEW2gtCiKM wWgQqiCqcESiO3zGTN13CrXGbOkudHE9J1nslKy7x4ejYF9KlzAHE9OoFq9aIe4pRL LiMFtZQRFPg8z/Hrb8sMpnlH9f+q3993D16oztak= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4] claimed to be significant-gravitas-shortfall.thebunker.net Message-ID: <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:57:15 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090727) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Stapper References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig19DAE6740626808E6AF1DCB0" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:57:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig19DAE6740626808E6AF1DCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Stapper wrote: =20 > In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement > in the FreeBSD corner. > What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use > FreeBSD. It's called PC-BSD. HTH HAND Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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Thu, 6 Aug 2009 07:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out0.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxsg-0007E6-W4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:59:23 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYxsM-000Hlu-7w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:59:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A8D46.80407@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:59:02 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9C1618B2333648B1C4114D24" Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:59:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9C1618B2333648B1C4114D24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Shute wrote: > On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > =20 > [snip] > =20 >> Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a "distro", but a UNIX= =20 >> operating system. :) >> =20 > > We can't quite agree on that ;) > > BSD=3DBerkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix > > At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux > distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this > list. > > He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on > FreeBSD. > > I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very > functional ATM. > > [snip] > > Regards, > > =20 As the whole amd64/x86 discussion proved, people on this list (including me) might do good in reading more Shakespear... --------------enig9C1618B2333648B1C4114D24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:01:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A8DC7.9020309@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:01:11 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2BE5F9E1EDEE2E9713E54D6C" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:01:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2BE5F9E1EDEE2E9713E54D6C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthew Seaman wrote: > Mark Stapper wrote: > > =20 > =20 >> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement= >> in the FreeBSD corner. >> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use >> FreeBSD. >> =20 > > It's called PC-BSD. > > HTH HAND > > Matthew > > =20 Nice thanks! I'll be sure to send my grandpa this link! :-) --------------enig2BE5F9E1EDEE2E9713E54D6C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6jccACgkQN9xNqOOVnWAIwQCZAYT6o7+CpSYSn3GJ2/w70xRn qqIAoIrBu69B0sFjxbUFcgBqvdrNAhGJ =qlGD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2BE5F9E1EDEE2E9713E54D6C-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 08:06:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B8E1065709 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lgroups@waagmeester.co.za) Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [196.25.181.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3708FC38 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A906625C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:06:27 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from mail.bushveldgrain.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.bushveldgrain.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SqX5N6rBKiYy for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:06:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [196.1.1.198] (unknown [196.1.1.198]) by mail.bushveldgrain.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5338D660C7 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:06:22 +0200 (SAST) From: Coert Waagmeester To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <1249542509.4568.3.camel@penguin.coert.local> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <1249509202.4520.10.camel@penguin.coert.local> <200908051450.03490.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <1249542509.4568.3.camel@penguin.coert.local> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:07:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1249546053.4568.6.camel@penguin.coert.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-8.el5_2.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eclipse install (SOLVED broken ports tree) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:06:29 -0000 On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:50 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > > > > > I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: > > > Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. > > > > I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: > > SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = > > 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 > > > > If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings > > with whatever method you're using. > > Hi Mel, > > In /usr/ports/ i deleted everything. > > Then I ran a portsnap fetch > and then portsnap extract and portsnap update. > > But I still get Missing pkg-descr for dtach-0.8. > > my shasum on /usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr is the same as yours.... > > How can I completely wipe out the ports and start over? > > Regards, > Coert Hello all, I fixed the ports problem following this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-December/037566.html I have PKGDIR variable exported. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 08:26:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEA9106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE66A8FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so689597ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZqVbcKVNpNjUqsX+QxqjXiC6P4kfvX9EXD2+8GXjsxU=; b=jwTpzeQFqJdtHNRjdiePqKtt142TVgW4klNjsZRmRxy9DH0CQ3GR734VEmrEgFNR/P f9yXpeuFGpphuwU9WT08SoWbL7h3dungLhB4oEHVSnMmdo0gdoYicyBhPiEJ31PhZ+n+ k4A4Z/huJNQjbrqtSTcLkggU1TK3SRwNyqv6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=E0mKaavD8grHCCO/6SgAP4eCC+xOTUs9MiCgCZp5WNX3T3zwRzT7QLA4KrroKFwOU9 hkyyLK5kAZzuUyaBN9XfhNLBDcEpq3vrmFojpTAw/6ts7USuP2yRdzggvOYDOsXlQI2G iPWLM4vjijms1XO8/A4w3Huqz/Jdde7MESDqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.72.209 with SMTP id t59mr1984004wed.27.1249547175437; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:26:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908051647.30315.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <5b2efe7c0908051401w62088d7en1af537741bd24f89@mail.gmail.com> <200908051647.30315.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908060126i6ae88c73pbae3882f00c2cbd3@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:26:17 -0000 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Mel Flynn wrote: > Your best bet is to poll the mobile list (CC'd) to see if anyone was able to > get FreeBSD working on this laptop (or even to know whether this is a lost > cause till somebody makes some patches for this laptop). Since 7.2 also does > not work and with 8.0-RELEASE being in it's final stages, it's unlikely you > can get some priority from the developers for it being a regression bug. The > acpi and missing disk can be related (most likely are), but unless you get at > least a live FS working (even the USB image for 8.0-BETA2) it will be hard to > get an acpidump(8). So this really depends on "someone knowledgeable having > this laptop" or BIOS tricks that get you to a stage where more info can be > gathered and saved/snapshot. Ok, I understand chances to have it running in the short term are not high :-) Anyway, and since I am replying to the mobile list, I am available to provide more information about the laptop. I have Linux running on it and I believe there is something similar to the acpidump (not sure if its the same tool as in FreeBSD or if their outputs are compatible) that I could use to provide some more details. Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 08:31:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4AFE106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13938FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:31:10 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:31:02 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908061631.04639.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Mark Stapper Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:31:14 -0000 Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 14:35:40 Mark Stapper wrote: > Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: > >> The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who > >> invented and created it and was for a while the only one > > Now I come to think of it, isn't it strange apple(or IBM) never > joined in the whole 64-bits naming race spactacle. Because people using them, new what they were doing. > Nor have I ever heard the term RISC64. Too bad we won't have to > worry about that anymore, since PowerPC is dead and Mac Pro's > are now amd64(or Intel 64 or x86-64 whichever would be the IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first 32 bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 came up? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 08:40:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC28106568C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stark@mapper.nl) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7915F8FC0C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.170.17.27] (helo=mapper.nl) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Exim) (envelope-from ) id 1MYyWp-00008m-Ti; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:40:51 +0200 Received: from bowser ([192.168.0.1] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by mapper.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MYyWi-000Hph-7E; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:40:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4A7A9709.9070803@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:40:41 +0200 From: Mark Stapper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <200908050654.26375.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A7A79BC.1030600@mapper.nl> <200908061631.04639.erich@apsara.com.sg> In-Reply-To: <200908061631.04639.erich@apsara.com.sg> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigBF1F6B30153909D4ECA917CB" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:40:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigBF1F6B30153909D4ECA917CB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erich Dollansky wrote: > Because people using them, new what they were doing. > =20 And probably didn't care... > IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the=20 > Itanium? > =20 The one that didn't stick... indeed. > Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first 32=20 > bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 came=20 > up? > =20 As I was an embryo when the 80386 was first produced, I searched for this one... Possibally the same thing though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 --------------enigBF1F6B30153909D4ECA917CB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp6lwwACgkQN9xNqOOVnWADywCcCV/e6JfWghMq0pX5LAERDeTw jogAnjY4d7FegCWp8vEbFgqtDW0Rg36y =cOok -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigBF1F6B30153909D4ECA917CB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 09:18:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43563106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:18:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5948FC14 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:18:12 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Mark Stapper Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:18:09 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <200908061631.04639.erich@apsara.com.sg> <4A7A9709.9070803@mapper.nl> In-Reply-To: <4A7A9709.9070803@mapper.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908061718.10505.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:18:36 -0000 Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the > > Itanium? > > The one that didn't stick... indeed. do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? I have not seen one in the wild. > > > Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first > > 32 bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 > > came up? > > As I was an embryo when the 80386 was first produced, I > searched for this one... > Possibally the same thing though: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 Oh, yes, the 4 was missing. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 10:02:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E610A1065676 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7DD8FC32 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3655D36DD9; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:02:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:02:09 +0200 From: cpghost To: Modulok Message-ID: <20090806100209.GA42719@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <64c038660908031928v15a76d15g5599e6f3fef936e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090804075221.GA3909@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090804081841.GC74277@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <4A77F20F.5060500@boosten.org> <64c038660908040936m7872c211y2897990508ee8316@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660908040938m6b195216kb18edc17add0e5ba@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660908040939o349b7b16o6659d5f5f2eb65fb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64c038660908040939o349b7b16o6659d5f5f2eb65fb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:02:17 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:39:38AM -0600, Modulok wrote: > But I'm also looking for a good way to generate high quality crypto > keys. In the later case, the data being protected are disk images of > clients...mountains of sensitive data. These will be on USB > keys, and thus do not need to be memorized. Assuming my clients are > not enemies of a state, /dev/random should be a sufficient source for > this purpose, correct? i.e: > > dd if=/dev/random of=foo.key bs=256 count=1 It should be "good enough"... but you need to do so reading on non-linear key spaces first. Depending on the symmetric cipher, not all keys are equally strong; and if you're unlucky, you may catch one of those "bad keys" through /dev/random. However, this is a fairly advanced crypto topic. > Thanks guys! > -Modulok- -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 11:07:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CB4106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:07:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5961C8FC1D for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:60858 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MZ0oV-0000tm-7b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:07:17 +0200 Received: (qmail 29892 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 13:07:12 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 6 Aug 2009 13:07:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 5609 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Aug 2009 13:07:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:07:12 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20090806110712.GA5475@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <200908061631.04639.erich@apsara.com.sg> <4A7A9709.9070803@mapper.nl> <200908061718.10505.erich@apsara.com.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908061718.10505.erich@apsara.com.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MZ0oV-0000tm-7b. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1MZ0oV-0000tm-7b f5657a4be8bbdc04297e8fe509ffc55f Cc: Mark Stapper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:07:21 -0000 On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:18:09PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: > > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the > > > Itanium? > > > > The one that didn't stick... indeed. > > do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? Yes, but not very large numbers - especially not compared to x86 machines. According to some estimates quoted in the Wikipedia article on Itanium, Intel manufactures around 200,000 Itanium CPUs per year, which translates to a far smaller number of machines since most of them are multi-CPU systems. By far the largest seller of Itanium-based systems is HP (which also partnered with Intel in creating the IA64 architecture in the first place.) > > I have not seen one in the wild. Not surprising since the Itanium is mainly used in the kind of high-end server systems that us ordinary people rarely see and certainly can't afford to buy. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 11:35:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BD1106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284808FC14 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so1228143ywh.27 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:35:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m1KF00PLYOfB2hM+KE68i9a1Zd5hsutw8s3BW4clQ4Q=; b=U5lG7XDikqY4dspfJoEmFZ/BHQ8RTygVCGqCmGSpsbGFqVq6J6M7ttPhAyDw7iI/a2 VxCEapkaJfWr332YEYCd+QQlz34EH27H5UyMajURPl7qHmpNIFNFdCCKJUu39X4nPrZp 11kEqZGphjWmsAMlwzEoQUDKiRgWXtCIAqgCI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bkVNQBbBGVYhLmNHCxxYc79IsWvmT+y17kYBZayXKwPU5xn7KUO68czWsLiJSGzUDs jqVLGgHOoEJ5VQYtVLV32ImN/gISPQuwCXZsiLxtXV9zVUtxNYVeDrhT1Mg0Bff4Knfu LE8RXMDcu84SkbKl4RvKQU19zoqF5ktWGU9+w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.144.17 with SMTP id r17mr2550417ybd.36.1249558556066; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:35:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908060956.59358.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <200908060956.59358.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:35:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Jonathan McKeown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:35:57 -0000 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: >> >> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement >> in the FreeBSD corner. >> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use >> FreeBSD. > [snip] >> To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: >> 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) >> 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. >> And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the >> user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. > > This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind - > I can't remember what the other one is called. DesktopBSD > > PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified > package manager. > > Jonathan > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 11:41:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29470106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F4C8FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so1231136ywh.27 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:41:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=69UvjBMkvd4XnORefCBxKABKmMzFb57562nX8BMSpYM=; b=hXzlcWe0rCtSZPwOIq1BheAVnzzXxV2o5wPDwWDCNvlwVRklPAFgoE9n9yWG3Dinrs X8aEC2QX2yTfEX3pMPuiKZJ1xaIEHWsvPHll0IDgGPjt35ct8NJDq8Q9pbXv8Hh/Lkvh ku5LB+PA5Xvdz308M6h1Tu4glv7qEB70O8NV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Nac4u1TqyGPZQuJRdW6WQS2rrqrq65PAwvMXdsit5s6nrz18r+yKJZ8rphu7iu68Se 4SLF31rTPxQmIfpIf89aMD01CLqrbxMMpPjF9nylz2SKeSy0qpGucNjfjgmf/28IDZD2 AsAdU7FPwn0K6tHwPPRiv4YvLCeggmgc/Ddy8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.11.19 with SMTP id 19mr398342ybk.87.1249558872052; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:41:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:41:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Mark Stapper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:41:13 -0000 > In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement > in the FreeBSD corner. > What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use > FreeBSD. > I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home > on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. > The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD > flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. > Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run > most) as part of a computer. > How many people say "My computer is broken" when =B5$ Office doesn't star= t > anymore. > They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, > they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. > (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the > features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they > do make sure we pay less for our components.) > Even though I'd feel less "cool" or "nerdy" (which is basically the same > thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old > grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for > $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. > To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: > 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) > 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. > And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the > user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. > Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to > install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it > will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. > Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the > hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and > collecting the basic/standard applications. > It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let > alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. > One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom > of choice. However most users don't care! > I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus > notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I > don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them > they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. > The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. > And the circle of life continues. > So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix > operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that > PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard > desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities > and "I won't bother you with it but i'm updating" functionality. > Just some thoughts.. > I'll get back to work now... > ... I must say that I find this (new) thread a bit funny since it was inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many years (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number). > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 13:08:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CBD1065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ibb_orac@mbox.contact.bg) Received: from sd97.btc-net.bg (SD97.btc-net.bg [212.39.90.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC9A08FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27126 invoked by uid 605); 6 Aug 2009 12:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chameleon) (83.228.34.40) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 12:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <69A1ABAF9CD44B399B6773FF6EC580AF@chameleon> From: "Ivailo Bonev" To: "Neal Hogan" References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <200908060956.59358.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:41:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:08:33 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Hogan" To: "Jonathan McKeown" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2overwrites partitions) > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Jonathan McKeown > wrote: >> On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: >>> >>> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement >>> in the FreeBSD corner. >>> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use >>> FreeBSD. >> [snip] >>> To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: >>> 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) >>> 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. >>> And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the >>> user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. >> >> This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to >> mind - >> I can't remember what the other one is called. > > DesktopBSD DesktopBSD Project is dead for now... >> PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own >> simplified >> package manager. >> >> Jonathan >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:05:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8407106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:05:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0F08FC1B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (81-65-128-47.rev.numericable.fr [81.65.128.47]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8128063317E; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:05:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6025C003; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:05:26 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: Odhiambo =?UTF-8?Q?=E3=83=AF=E3=82=B7=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=83=B3?= Message-ID: <20090806160526.0a6be582@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.4; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Frederique Rijsdijk , FreeBSD-Questions Subject: Re: ftps ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:05:10 -0000 Le Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:02:58 +0300, Odhiambo =E3=83=AF=E3=82=B7=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=E3=83=B3 a =C3=A9crit : > > # grep ftps /etc/services > > ftps-data 989/tcp # ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL > > ftps-data 989/udp > > ftps 990/tcp # ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL > > ftps 990/udp > > >=20 > pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. >=20 > I am wondering if it can do this. I just tried with pure-ftpd, TLS works but it's not ftps (there is a negociation like SMTP/IMAP with START TLS i think). I want to keep the old ftp too. The good thing is that works out of the box with lftp, it picks up TLS. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:20:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F77106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD868FC24 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2009 10:20:08 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id QBW91009; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:19:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2009 10:19:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:19:47 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: amd64 native ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:20:09 -0000 Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it, I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:34:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF41C1065675 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8818FC18 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jnielsen.socialserve.com (office.socialserve.com [208.60.89.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n76EXwel007434; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:33:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:33:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> In-Reply-To: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908061033.52081.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Robert Huff Subject: Re: amd64 native ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:34:01 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:19:47 Robert Huff wrote: > Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run > natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it, > I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I > can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy? There's always the build logs on pointyhat: http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ And some reports here: http://portsmon.freebsd.org/index.html Not sure which of those is exactly what you're looking for though. HTH, JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:46:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC51106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA52E8FC20 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n76EkXHd015580; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:46:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5A30BAAD; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:46:33 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Robert Huff Message-ID: <20090806144633.GA82422@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amd64 native ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:46:36 -0000 --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 10:19:47AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run=20 > natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it,= =20 > I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I=20 > can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy? This will show you the ports marked IGNORE: http://www.freshports.org/ports-ignore.php This will detect and use your browsers architecture to find ports you cannot use. Mind you, it can be IGNOREd for other reasons than your current architecture) I tend to look at ONLY_FOR ARCHS statements in port makefiles: find /usr/ports/ -type f -name Makefile -exec grep -H 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' {}= \; Any port that doesn't have one of those should run on every architecture. But I doubt is this info is complete for rare architectures as ia64 or sparc. It should be OK for amd64, because that's relatively common. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp67MkACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWKxQCgsAXU96OSGY122YifV+swK/rp I+4An3QCsDtn6ARmGXv7OzcdzzI0jd7z =xU+8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:50:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6756106567A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mcoyles@horbury.wakefield.sch.uk) Received: from smtp2.yhgfl.net (smtp3.yhgfl.net [89.207.208.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD128FC1F for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.yhgfl.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id A51FB1BC05D1_A7AE837B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:27:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1-wak.yhgfl.net (smtp3-wak-ext.yhgfl.net [89.207.208.42]) by smtp2.yhgfl.net (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id D65B91BC058A_A7AE836F for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:27:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from horbury.wakefield.sch.uk ([10.126.96.34]) by smtp1-wak.yhgfl.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n76ERf3d029527 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:27:42 +0100 Received: from ITTEAM02 [10.126.96.253] by horbury.wakefield.sch.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A85727200AA; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:27:35 +0100 From: "Marc Coyles" To: "'FreeBSD-Questions'" References: <4A76C9CF.5050100@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030434p5877e2bm78db504cd06bde09@mail.gmail.com> <4A76CE91.3000506@isafeelin.org> <991123400908030502w1e4a16q600360f2c1c97adb@mail.gmail.com> <20090806160526.0a6be582@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <20090806160526.0a6be582@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca16a2$0b659480$2230bd80$@wakefield.sch.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoWnv7cCxDmFSjzQ/WzMmRgqCgqswAAm1Tg Content-Language: en-gb X-YHGfL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the YHGfL Foundation for more information X-YHGfL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-YHGfL-MailScanner-MCPCheck: MCP-Clean, MCP-Checker (score=0, required 0.5) X-YHGfL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: mcoyles@horbury.wakefield.sch.uk Subject: Freebsd-update fetch failed... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mcoyles@horbury.wakefield.sch.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:50:05 -0000 Evening folks... have just built up a new 7.0-RELEASE box, and have gone = to update it to 7.0-RELEASEp11, however, whenever I run freebsd-update = fetch I get the following: bigsis2# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 7.0-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... = done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 2 metadata files... failed. Have tried using update., update1., and update2., but no joy on any of = them. Any ideas? The box talks fine to the net, everything else on it is = hunkydorey, so I'm assuming the error isn't at my end... and before = anyone asks, I'm stuck with 7.0-RELEASE thanks to cPanel not supporting = anything more current than that at the moment (boo hiss). My other option is to grab the contents of /var/db/freebsd-update/ off = my other server, copy over to this new box, and run 'freebsd-update = install' and see if it then realises that it has the files and gets on = with it...=20 Any better suggestions? Marc A Coyles - Horbury School ICT Support Team Mbl: 07850 518106 Land: 01924 282740 ext 730 Helpdesk: 01924 282740 ext 2000 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 14:54:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC41106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalle.moller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FB28FC17 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so855233bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=a+ONBwrWi4AyNLgtdANGDgY8ls8QVXVVp139lDa96yU=; b=RxDUgGcunkb2MGiy04rPfcbykaXqr9uKG/xg37CCy/kRVWJTB8kvCX6e3FF15wNS6g LJX4PRVjdEOSGt845V/k9zVXCjMJcDZFDAX8s/Xzde5bYj80x88F6h4iw9xsfJkSqrO3 OfHC8gFZYgZ9YtUPTCey5iHAXRQthl5gyDA+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=mjTSXzbnZpO565YuxHTkY4VgOsGPaAqpLxBIN3RZL+fpT9iryf6dXH/ve4/fckNhW+ FE4UjukRbnaT1n+jVmRDKryMAH+Ov+BS2YC6Ec4hLTuKKuSoRWlrod7ktVjqqknCnwve DWaOnUYko/0VYqmgyYvvw90jtyQ+30qoyoViM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kalle.moller@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.100.11 with SMTP id w11mr471028bkn.110.1249570492177; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:54:52 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4205d054009acc02 Message-ID: <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kalle_M=F8ller?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:54:54 -0000 Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it seemd to be a list of the files used ?? On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mel Flynn < mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net > wrote: > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > > > make WITH_PERL=3D"YES" > > > > But it returns that it is broken ? > > > > flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. > > > > Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part > to > > get some of the other tools to work :S > > > > Anything I can do to get this not broken ... > > You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). > -- > Mel > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Med Venlig Hilsen Kalle R. M=F8ller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 16:07:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333071065680 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4198FC20 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so977755ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aKWfFsudDcpbpk1rHfT7S2QNGnb9lF/goN2MB0gEmfQ=; b=mGigp2NgZzNAiIATqG4v+y0RYdNc79g2z2uKRi8mcWW7yLo7Z/n0kyZFLbfRvR9xE7 YReE+HdKDP5+D1NyWeF3OxKwMcGvp1wiF5hg1yEItau3HeLAxsuAomyN/lBU8Jp8BozO cWHJx4Sh6R0yp3XoRALB+JlYmfTxI6N8XHyDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Xwbs4+ntSmEhXdAIBnhwx3anua/emN8eQQWN4Qc9vzQ//Do7JkI1tiow1Yfrlhr5XT MWDcLsx+x575JTur8OCczgw431PK15OzfRDAu2jxQYqor8rYUW05heIGqqzGW2Zyk0RH bc1gwbYLnEPq70K44UwMflCcnwQG7cYdtABEA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.112.4 with SMTP id k4mr9935723ebc.44.1249574826349; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:07:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:07:06 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908060907r31e886n904a56eb2e14c38a@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Mark Stapper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:07:09 -0000 [snip] > In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement > in the FreeBSD corner. > What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use > FreeBSD. > I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home > on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. > The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD > flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. > Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run > most) as part of a computer. > How many people say "My computer is broken" when =B5$ Office doesn't star= t > anymore. > They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, > they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. > (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the > features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they > do make sure we pay less for our components.) > Even though I'd feel less "cool" or "nerdy" (which is basically the same > thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old > grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for > $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. > To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: > 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) > 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. > And when I mean "easier" I mean it should be done without bothering the > user unless you about to "rm -rf /" as root, so to say. > Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to > install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it > will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. > Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the > hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and > collecting the basic/standard applications. > It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let > alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. > One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom > of choice. However most users don't care! > I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus > notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I > don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them > they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. > The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. > And the circle of life continues. > So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix > operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that > PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard > desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities > and "I won't bother you with it but i'm updating" functionality. [/snip] What you're talking about is indeed needed and does, to an extent, exist; It's called PC-BSD, Ubuntu (as you mentioned) or even Microsoft Windows. I think it's great that such things exist. (Yes, even Windows.) I think it's great that they can help people, who would otherwise be helpless, use a computer to get their work done. I even applaud the efforts of the tyrannical Microsoft for largely accomplishing this feat. Hats off to all involved! But it doesn't end here... On the other end of the coin there is also a need for an operating system which does exactly what I, the user, commands it to do, regardless of what that could mean. For some things, I need a system which trusts me, the user, to make the right decisions. Knowing this, I must be willing to accept the consequences of my actions, should my choices prove to be incorrect. "If you prevent stupid people from doing stupid things, you prevent clever people from doing clever things." While one cannot throw any philosophy, in a blind fashion, at a given problem, there is some truth to the statement. Both types of systems are needed, and I sincerely hope that both continue to exist. -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 16:17:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5336C1065673 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A30C8FC21 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036FF7E818; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:17:30 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:17:29 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <1249542509.4568.3.camel@penguin.coert.local> <1249546053.4568.6.camel@penguin.coert.local> In-Reply-To: <1249546053.4568.6.camel@penguin.coert.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908060817.29802.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: eclipse install (SOLVED broken ports tree) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:17:32 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 00:07:33 Coert Waagmeester wrote: > I have PKGDIR variable exported. Ack, yeah. Should've thought of that. It's a badly chosen variable name for pkg_add. You could make an alias though: alias pkg_keep='env PKGDIR=/path/to/whatever pkg_add -K' -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 16:50:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BA91065675 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024F78FC19 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2009 12:50:00 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id LAX12731; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2009 12:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7B09B7.2000704@rcn.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:49:59 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A7AE683.901@rcn.com> <200908061033.52081.lists@jnielsen.net> In-Reply-To: <200908061033.52081.lists@jnielsen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: amd64 native ports? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:50:01 -0000 John Nielsen wrote: > There's always the build logs on pointyhat: > http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ > > And some reports here: > http://portsmon.freebsd.org/index.html These are not the droids I'm looking for. As I remember the page, it has three columns: the port name, the (color-coded) status, and a description of work needed. (There might be another column with relevant PRs or something.). Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 17:38:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0517C10656BF for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839B58FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bw0-f220.google.com with SMTP id 20so960001bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:38:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5KhR9dDgd1w/84eIPa0ABp6oC+sG108O3AECwiqQD1M=; b=Aw5CUhD15qWKhbWcL9bcDa0NAg2DG+NXc4Cqzc+biydcNSZgKdKAXpVss/fnfEj39k IkIJZOI33QintP8EBEay2RkjUfjF8VuFbz/V10FmLjsLx+GKKt4gJvXrGb/bZrLzu6ZO DqcknXKnQx2RKbxFawKTFO12IqikmGieP6mO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n7jpeeYSIcCLW8489FqDcdiS2J0tUANowevcCFHSKlvI2ntbV4XekhSpLpvqqBCtrO fTVPzJsmDdq96kE44vRzezcMQxWqRMzlI+2Qwnl22pZxWDbTLVDK53J9olnIPlAKnRJd BupUnxLXbmktHguZ8PUNz9LPjID95/xOOgIxk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.65.18 with SMTP id g18mr2271393bki.5.1249578742334; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:12:22 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37bb143833ae6309 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:38:12 -0000 Well, the bad day has come... My primary server won't boot. I have backups of databases and user directories, but I need to try to get this server back up again. During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a I tried booting into single user mode, but same issue (of course). I don't want to just start hacking at this for fear of making things work... what is my best, most conservative next step? -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 17:45:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887C3106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2C58FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (115.73-246-213.ippool.namesco.net [213.246.73.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n76HlkVj042999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:47:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A7B168C.5090900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:44:44 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kalle_M=F8ller?= References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:45:03 -0000 Kalle Møller wrote: > Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it > seemd to be a list of the files used ?? Pretty much, the porters handbook has a decent section on it if your interested. Any installed files except man pages and documentation (which are specified in the makefile) should be listed as far as i can tell. Have a read at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/porting-desc.html#AEN100 and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/plist.html I think this is a simple one, if no one else does then I'll try and look at it tomorrow. my guess is that %%WITH_PERL%%@dirrm %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto should be %%WITH_PERL%%@dirrmtry %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto and possibly lib/perl5/5.8.9/mach/perllocal.pod (or the appropriate variables in place of a static path) need to be added. Vince > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mel Flynn < > mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net >> wrote: > >> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle Møller wrote: >> >>> make WITH_PERL="YES" >>> >>> But it returns that it is broken ? >>> >>> flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. >>> >>> Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part >> to >>> get some of the other tools to work :S >>> >>> Anything I can do to get this not broken ... >> You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). >> -- >> Mel >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 17:53:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24792106564A; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8D38FC16; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1051952ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UzAJONgWizRjtFmNZgS8aMlzp+AiJ/vhmdkFEbHaShk=; b=CNtTwdDCKewah1c/1da3Hus8cFxPFTqH8TFVgsnufhUNt77tr8mzqbe//tR7rjSgO6 Wb4d1MHDjvl+ye8bldaeWsGnK0SpMPb5Mn0aQc7gty0MDT5A6Styzw6uDsRHrOZLfaGQ X+gddDPWwsFA+jFNT/Af+0l5wLPAQ6CMx4JOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Q3yAAtZCcih1NOrezToopJySfufUHz8f87D2aDnLUNQ1d2Dp1X8Z1jngPcOlIHnhj2 kT49z9SxvEgCNs4hbdcwtr9GBOROlpleUtyaC3yKuTb5as3aHVJq0jvh9sC6z40ljsDn YftaCZjyXg2S4fV6Fnb5ly0DmOjRSwpS24Ar0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.209 with SMTP id y59mr33349wee.21.1249581209131; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200908051647.30315.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <5b2efe7c0908060126i6ae88c73pbae3882f00c2cbd3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:53:28 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908061053t6d6e9e62mdeba5253ccb4cc88@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Ben Fallon Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0016e6d6454b169fdd04707ccc84 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:53:33 -0000 --0016e6d6454b169fdd04707ccc84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ben Fallon wrote= : > What model of laptop is it? =A0I just subscribed to the list yesterday an= d may have missed the beginning of this thread. > You can also check here http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > It provides details for a bunch of laptops and what the findings were for= the models they tested. > On Linux, a simple dmesg will help on seeing what devices were found by y= our os otherwise, like BSD, > the lspci also works the same. =A0Sorry I can't help more without a bit m= ore information. The complete thread can be read here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-August/203491.htm= l My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A210-1CE, and I am attaching the information you requested: the output from "lspci -v" and dmesg. 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Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (115.73-246-213.ippool.namesco.net [213.246.73.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n76I7ojW043250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:08:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:04:49 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Identry References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:05:37 -0000 Identry wrote: > Well, the bad day has come... My primary server won't boot. I have > backups of databases and user directories, but I need to try to get > this server back up again. > > During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: > > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a > > I tried booting into single user mode, but same issue (of course). > > I don't want to just start hacking at this for fear of making things > work... what is my best, most conservative next step? Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Vince > > -- John > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 18:31:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88931065702; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:31:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luis.henrix@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF708FC1A; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1076829ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fuv3qM3venIhMIcmrpmoVYrWGSP7s0LwjcmlELNBLr0=; b=td5E16ZfoGBkjnbptNC1GT8siIdWW/7cskvqFjntcXpUbdzul1yW4uvmCLKVsp9iVe 2etJvweP4toarcuhwC5GaSjeXWqrWCkbiOnur/OYLolaExH0suwnsRHdGpjgEITxA5my 0eUhKLGFjQnkFnu5Xa8J4mKUevhxX6RVtovqE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JpoP6tn3bHuwItsSy3ZAduj5qSOJFaRQ05vl7hupvwNODfL3z+hEjm72+M5nOXU+dL TFy4ZaPn8tLNjjwdDAgA4w7QN3rurplgmuS4i8aHat21V3+QRWnDMrcZfpRJCNa0iKVy rB2bDcXnk0iqvMvkU7PllVZjrBSZ9MM4QHhYA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.207 with SMTP id i57mr36334wec.114.1249583464032; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:31:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5b2efe7c0908061053t6d6e9e62mdeba5253ccb4cc88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2efe7c0908061131u17546721g4df6a2f469784842@mail.gmail.com> From: Miguel To: Ben Fallon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:31:06 -0000 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Fallon wrote= : > Might want to take a look at this page as it may provide a bit more insig= ht. The problem isn't with the Machine specifically but with the ATI Sata C= ontroller/Chipset. =A0Not sure if this has been fixed yet. > > http://www.mavetju.org/mail/view_message.php?list=3Dfreebsd-current&id=3D= 2740699 Uau! That's exactly the same problem with the same hardware, and I would b= e tempted to say that it _has not_ been solved yet. I'll try to contact thos= e guys to try to get some more information. Thanks a lot for the pointer, Ben. Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 18:32:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE821065701 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bfallon@itbuildersinc.com) Received: from Outlook.FreedomBox.net (static-71-183-112-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net [71.183.112.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E428FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Zarafa-FE.FreedomBox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Outlook.FreedomBox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DAD3DC71; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:16:12 -0400 (EDT) From: =?windows-1252?Q?Ben_Fallon?= To: =?windows-1252?Q?Miguel?= Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:16:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <5b2efe7c0908061053t6d6e9e62mdeba5253ccb4cc88@mail.gmail.com> References: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Zarafa 6.20.6-14790 Thread-Index: AcoWwewNotkK5oZATO+X649qi/Q6SQ== Message-Id: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Problems with FreeBSD installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:32:49 -0000 Might want to take a look at this page as it may provide a bit more insight. The problem isn't with the Machine specifically but with the ATI Sata Controller/Chipset. Not sure if this has been fixed yet. http://www.mavetju.org/mail/view_message.php=3Flist=3Dfreebsd-current&id=3D2740699 -----Original Message----- From: Miguel [mailto:luis.henrix@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Ben Fallon Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ben Fallon wrote: > What model of laptop is it=3F =A0I just subscribed to the list yesterday and may have missed the beginning of this thread. > You can also check here http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > It provides details for a bunch of laptops and what the findings were for the models they tested. > On Linux, a simple dmesg will help on seeing what devices were found=20 > by your os otherwise, like BSD, the lspci also works the same. =A0Sorry I can't help more without a bit more information. The complete thread can be read here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-August/203491.html My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A210-1CE, and I am attaching the information you requested: the output from "lspci -v" and dmesg. Hope it helps :-) Regards, Miguel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 18:35:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567CF106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132DB8FC1A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so1002383qyk.3 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zcei4I5pFdAtR6VFj76GYL+9biF8I4Nc/Ccf2eb4Log=; b=Cb4OEHh332MHFPl4afiIIR0tlZVBE43+r/gmVi8OPajWdQueoOAJfisbjfBesI4gwT 88tCdMbdICvIgA7vNklbSZmQJlMin4IpVNAve931fL9AWrr6TRUBPjGWF3O7yKPHihuc k7kZZUrISnjn8FwOQIUcj/kYlJ3jtfe5+TSbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bq9jXd5rygiVVibHApMNZaUPSH6q0W7xQJ4Cb5UofbRuoFOaggRdoXlL+A8LCJh87B nnJuyUvHhpQF8Zl01V+kskZbG1D6X8DM3YNcY5ZtpEH+zSKd/OdovXR9BkgBs7ATepIy QW5zMaZLaI8r0Xthj6CyeGYNJm3XClV05qrKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.100.9 with SMTP id w9mr302413qcn.31.1249583722269; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations & /boot/boot2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:35:23 -0000 Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of examples: 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by physically opening up the box. I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space during the initial boot blocks: >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, and if so, how can I disable this prompt? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 19:31:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995A01065675 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F4D8FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D70D1CC47; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:31:47 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4A7B2FA3.5020603@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:31:47 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4A7B16F2.7080304@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <4A7B16F2.7080304@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Stapper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:31:48 -0000 Bernt Hansson wrote: > Matthew Seaman skrev: >> Mark Stapper wrote: >> >> >>> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement >>> in the FreeBSD corner. >>> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use >>> FreeBSD. >> >> It's called PC-BSD. > > Have a look at Manolis Kiagias work at > http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page > > Haven't tried it my self, but it seems I'm going to. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha, Manolis download worked for me. I used it to install a 7.2 FreeBSD on a Sandisk Flash stick. And I can bring it up from the USB port on my netbook. Works fine except for printing on network. Have to work on setting up the printcap properly. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 19:35:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F871065672 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983848FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f9so232719rvb.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=H7jQnYXAKyV8qNhbUyu58A3K59l4M+DcFzzrVkWDgX8=; b=Fch9hqu2qhnmxuIr5A5wpI5nQ2703gci0Le55uLw+hnxsIHTUsr2PTeqROqA+RQDfB hTSNVRGlywMiUT2yMTFvwkUIj3XYJNfhlH3SQbq2lRd20F+P/XAiJHLvWbqKRi8a2ivX asgtUZ5JHUNfDmX8qCj6h2Dw5A4nly2gky8n0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rkPP9eTpjaYRmWgzkjMdCATSEXH8/NGh5CQhoZtN1D1L851J4IIhssVgmWWg58GgCX P0FQPHF5MTSjHu9Z5PGy/h/QzT7OG0/T4bat04zAAJpiGdgAl4eFhWqMsjxmCCl1foYR usQas4J0bF6Td3dAwLraLVEXOcixqjbupNy8Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.140.12 with SMTP id n12mr100876rvd.211.1249587355163; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:35:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Nerius Landys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations & /boot/boot2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:35:56 -0000 On 8/6/09, Nerius Landys wrote: > Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a > user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user > access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical > workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of > examples: > > 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then > stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard > drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. You can't beat physical security. If you have access to the hardware, you can TAKE the box, saw it open, unmount the hard drive, slave it into another system, mount it as a data drive and steal the info. geli encryping the drive can secure the data on the disk, but they have your disk. it's as good as stolen data, even if they are unable to decrypt it. After sawing open the case, move the jumper to reset CMOS data, power up, change boot order, and boot off CD. After BIOS is back to normal, stick in a USB drive, boot off the HDD, which is self-decrypting the geli encryption, copy the data off, and scrub the HDD and install Windows on it. The hacker's OS (Just Kidding, all. Little humor is all I'm doing). > 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom > parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by > password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and > /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. If you can do the above, even booting from alternate medium, no other means of security will apply. > And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. > > So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, > or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make > it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by > physically opening up the box. > > I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space > during the initial boot blocks: > >>> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader > boot: > > I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something > and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, > and if so, how can I disable this prompt? Only security in these days is to physically secure the box and leave it off the network. Flaws and security problems will always allow unauthorized access. But a computer that's not on the network is of no use. So it's a loose-loose situation. Best effort is to know your people, and either trust them, or fire them. --TJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 19:48:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD8010656C3 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D3B8FC19 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4467991.home.otenet.gr [94.71.109.7]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n76JmAuQ017714; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:48:11 +0300 Message-ID: <4A7B337A.5030009@otenet.gr> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:48:10 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Plant References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4A7B16F2.7080304@bah.homeip.net> <4A7B2FA3.5020603@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4A7B2FA3.5020603@hdk5.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Stapper , Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:48:15 -0000 Al Plant wrote: > Bernt Hansson wrote: >> Matthew Seaman skrev: >>> Mark Stapper wrote: >>> >>> >>>> In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a "Ubuntu" like movement >>>> in the FreeBSD corner. >>>> What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use >>>> FreeBSD. >>> >>> It's called PC-BSD. >> >> Have a look at Manolis Kiagias work at >> http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page >> >> Haven't tried it my self, but it seems I'm going to. >> > Aloha, > > Manolis download worked for me. I used it to install a 7.2 FreeBSD on > a Sandisk Flash stick. And I can bring it up from the USB port on my > netbook. Works fine except for printing on network. Have to work on > setting up the printcap properly. > Thanks for the mention ;) I should however note that although this work takes out most of the compiling steps (and I plan to expand the range of pre-built packages soon), it is still not "a common man's OS", as all the configuration steps are manual. I am also developing some shell scripts that will automate a considerable part of post-setup configuration, but these will need to be tweaked accordingly. It will never become a CD you can give to your dad to install, but will certainly reduce the time an intermediate / seasoned FreeBSDer will need to install a new desktop. There are more than a few things that prevent FreeBSD from becoming friendly to a non-expert, non-willing-to-study-docs user. PC-BSD deals with many of them (preinstalled NVidia, flash support, PBI system) and it gets better all the time. Although if the point is getting a simple user to move away from Windows, most any desktop oriented linux distro will probably do the job. Such a user won't need to have all the choices and absolute control that FreeBSD provides to all of us. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 20:21:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69131106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1582A8FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n76KL5Hf080285; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:21:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3EF7B85D; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:14:59 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Tim Judd Message-ID: <20090806201459.GA8957@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Nerius Landys Subject: Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations & /boot/boot2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:21:07 -0000 --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:35:55PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: > On 8/6/09, Nerius Landys wrote: > > Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a > > user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user > > access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical > > workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of > > examples: > > > > 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then > > stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard > > drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. >=20 >=20 > You can't beat physical security. If you have access to the hardware, > you can TAKE the box, saw it open, unmount the hard drive, slave it > into another system, mount it as a data drive and steal the info. > geli encryping the drive can secure the data on the disk, but they > have your disk. it's as good as stolen data, even if they are unable > to decrypt it. >=20 >=20 > After sawing open the case, move the jumper to reset CMOS data, power > up, change boot order, and boot off CD. >=20 > After BIOS is back to normal, stick in a USB drive, boot off the HDD, > which is self-decrypting the geli encryption, copy the data off, and > scrub the HDD and install Windows on it. The hacker's OS (Just > Kidding, all. Little humor is all I'm doing). You can (and should) set geli up to require a passphrase, instead of or next to a key-file. Using only a key-file is like sticking a tin-opener to the tin. > > 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom > > parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by > > password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and > > /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. >=20 > If you can do the above, even booting from alternate medium, no other > means of security will apply. >=20 > > And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. > > > > So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, > > or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make > > it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by > > physically opening up the box. > > > > I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space > > during the initial boot blocks: > > > >>> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader > > boot: > > > > I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something > > and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, > > and if so, how can I disable this prompt? Disconnect or remove the floppy. Adn disable booting from USB devices. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7OcMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXKTQCgsCnOD6YVVsN6bxxNZfp/tOqt tP0AnRz6igvUECr0qfol0cHxOcmVg4EM =2uaH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 20:46:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3521065672 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FC28FC1E for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180016132.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.16.132]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1MZ9qv2Vbz-000b8y; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:46:21 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZ9qv-0007SC-5y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:46:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:46:21 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090806204621.GA27902@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/FzwQ09Rjwu2B72cUOiSHqAcBxJRhaJHtVykS v4QVn8IkNuepyfWAzhLxfB0/WlwzNmRuqoBJisv3vTNEt9IcL9 CTIzY2OB7f0HCzasWAZnQgdakJKki28 Subject: Mouse still crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:46:23 -0000 Hi, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: > an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble > here. This is a real mess. Nobody gives me any help and I do not know what to try any further. I reduced the problem to the following behaviour: # dd if=/dev/bpsm0 bs=3 | xxd -c 3 # dd if=/dev/bpsm0 bs=3 | od -x # alternative This prints out 30 to 100 lines while I move my finger around the touchpad. Then the output stops. When I press Ctrl-C and restart the command, I get about 30 to 100 lines again. Moused and any other program that reads /dev/psm0 yield the same behaviour. I tried FreeBSD 6.4, 7.0 and 7.2. It is the same with all three of them. They were all virgin; I just unpacked the base distribution and the generic kernel. As there is nobody out there who likes to help me could at least anyone point me to a documentation how to debug the kernel driver? Or could at least anyone point me to a list where I can get help with severe kernel problems? I have to solve it with 7.2 as the previous versions don't recognize the network card. kernel list -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 21:31:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC1D1065691 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7731E8FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1089350bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4eqlWT6y/VjXgw9a2LfzWM9tvOquAkW2nwqnMMjelOo=; b=c/Md3b9dDNslmNeEPINOAjkgV1++dmE4O/rFX3xQTtgikB+fCE62K5A5FWnCBVv49H MS7WrZQHHjHHF++e15eWSbpX5qCfm6+0bKIJMolS7HV5M2FO1FL4uKijk/xL8YmnH6i1 XeY55CLC98vHiK8I8NoQaXjleiIgdXnX6G1jY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=by9SgEgNMRrG91Y7VxkV0YP59iFY7jyywi9A60NdXV610BbiUPJirfMKBbDUQ1SdzY ZmVhukQcU2FgiHeZIoA/1QbkuXVAa6BaNkVm3PwP8vcovNMiMklOCb38/+w351OWRxoh Nd56/TqPNzPj3nBCvOuEnSvej7m1N3V7LwTCs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.65.18 with SMTP id g18mr2491793bki.5.1249594309283; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:31:49 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 441793d0a3ae3083 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061431q50c6f45bn76040bcc8d1950ae@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:31:51 -0000 > Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 > and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from > that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its > probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your > data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC > kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels > directory.) Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me know... I have the cd1 and cd2, but not the livefs cd. I'm going to try to find that right now. Thanks: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 21:52:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B5F106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B088FC17 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57993CD86; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:52:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76LqajJ001525; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:52:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:52:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jonathan McKeown Message-Id: <20090806235236.75d43aee.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200908060956.59358.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <200908060956.59358.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:52:45 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:56:59 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified > package manager. If you're talking about PBI, that's what the "average user" expects: You open a web browser (d'oh), search for what you think will be the software you need (plus-d'oh) and download it (doubleplus-d'oh). As long as you use PBI only, there's no interference with ports or packages, but you are not encouraged to use a "mix", allthough it's mostly possible. Don't get me wrong: I have several friends who use PC-BSD for years happily now, but it's definitely not my cup of tea for several reasons. PC-BSD does probide a KDE-based preconfigured environment and lots of preinstalled software. It's completely sufficient for the "average user", allthough not for the "average user in Germany", because KDE's internationalisation is not so good (Gnome's is better, as far as I've seen), and not all PBI packages do conform to the language setting (e. g. install in German, install kmplayer, it will be in English, and error messages will be in English, too, that scares the average German user away). -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:56:25 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 21:56:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965511065680 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 511818FC27 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93705 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2009 21:56:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249595801; bh=wJLsio6uNQcdEFfYKpble54M4Afeu2zIUM3xqF0TASw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v0amKrGlMfu+kSauEVrjAgxkgVRijDBRW76shrX5pvhWiumjeFyCmNJdAiihFdFNGASoTEgQYZYiidoPsedXjk5zR8uUGttyfM2yQQs9RwpKaQgxvgF/T0PmtRe2NRtC1K5N8ydr3PVGGbcjoKyAs0GgT3eYp+JO5MmnRg/YfUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NEQgBh3eVylqUVVrrMNcydVdJDmcpUYKW+n03ji5iI8U1R+yxNGWhNeXFXfOUuEKH4q/msf/sMXC93XaezbvXkkylpfgbtCUqHCehlaDTwFg6VBproTAkibd108rTji1Ma9CYn5VOCww9O/DtQTmx3v8K66WYVd+8p7DdBlv7AY=; Message-ID: <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fw0XoaEVM1nWJjA8lXRQ48llGv08CP0J9aoj_kviBMqsr64TpKfVwYa9iD3EFSFo3uUeuOu7zzV.EbWuVkTVtFVtuWRl5V0WjhN9p6QXAIPpegMaboJUbp.sPvwREuCsGwOfeYTXOh5JHUVb8lgte_zBVADFOB8rKf5wUDjrH_FQ2ukgg.gDoYQ_gqJr1.u7Uyp.bcuG9jE9KsYrOpqKt.sHpPiU3Lx.bBsn2j29oHYp8kDxlXAcoGw2d1TKYfEgo5YOGiXP2JeyV0xhblRdh2hIbuTfPop6nXhOVZ9UaS8PQvrUF0AflRY51pDFQ1pwnpmXPKyK1R5V5SacI_sG4AVEt6eXrY01UGfJZ9uDjg-- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:56:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090806120011.8528A106567E@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:56:43 -0000 =0A=0A--- On Thu, 8/6/09, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote:=0A=0A=0A> =0A> Message: 16=0A> Date: Th= u, 6 Aug 2009 06:41:12 -0500=0A> From: Neal Hogan =0A>= Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was:=0A> upgrade 7.2=0A= > =A0=A0=A0 overwrites partitions)=0A> To: Mark Stapper = =0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Message-ID:=0A> =A0=A0=A0 =0A> Content-Type: tex= t/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1=0A> =0A> =0A> I must say that I find this (ne= w) thread a bit funny since=0A> it was=0A> inspired by a guy (the OP) who h= as been using fBSD for many=0A> years=0A> (over 5 . . . I can't remember th= e exact number).=0A> =0A=0AI have been struggling to use FreeBSD for a shor= ter amount of time (for a fileserver). I was originally attracted to OpenBS= D "for security." However, OpenBSD users are expected to compile all patche= s from source. Since I wasn't planning on doing code-reviews myself, I saw = little benefit in using extra disk space and compile time when binaries wou= ld do.=0A=0AI was also attracted to BSD because I knew from my brief stint = at university that the BSD man-pages were actually kept up to date. Not lik= e the GNU system where man pages say stupid things like:=0A"The full docume= ntation for dd is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and dd p= rograms are properly installed at your site, the command:=0A=0A = info dd=0A=0A should give you access to the complete manual.=0A= =0Add (coreutils) 5.97 January 2007 DD(1)"=0A=0AI actually saw = text once (years ago) that basicly said:=0A"If we receive complaints about = the quality of the man pages, they will be removed"=0AI have tried to use i= nfo. I don't have time to go through the info tutorial every time I want to= use a new command (think emacs-like hyperlinking/scripting, vi-like keybin= dings)=0A=0AAnyway, Initially, I wanted to set up a "File and everything el= se" server. I don't know exactly when I installed FreeBSD 5.x, but I copied= my files of over to it March 14, 2006. I know this because I lost data: th= e file creation times.=0A=0AFollowing the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on = trying to get the printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me = to write my own print driver! I checked the HP website: they will release t= he details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. I finally got= it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports collection (no,= did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not functional yet.)= =0A=0AAfter basicly using the server for my own use via ssh and FTP for a w= hile, I decided to try to get samba and NFS working. This time, I narrowed = the scope: Fileserving (SAMBA, NFS), Printing, and working backups. Novembe= r 18, 2007, I started my FreeBSD 6.2 installation. This time I kept notes d= etailing what I had to do to configure each portion of the system. Looking = up commands I may need if things go wrong ahead of time.=0A=0AInitially, I = was struggling with a chicken&egg problem with back ups: I wanted to borrow= a client computer's DVD drive. However, I wanted to backup the client comp= uters to the server. It was resolved by putting a DVD burner in the server.= I also made made few tweaks of the system to better follow the Filesystem = Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt).=0A=0AI = set up samba in read-only mode with little trouble. I'm not sure if I can e= ver get read/write + user-level security working with win98. That machine i= s slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver working the way I want= . The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I lost data due to a= damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned that bzip2recover is a= quick hack that needs to be re-written properly according to the source co= de). I hope to replace windows with wine for the most part, but wine simply= installs the applications in the users' home directory (breaking the FHS).= This is only resolvable IMHO by having wine use a real database back-end f= or the registry (allowing user-level "views" of the data, while still isola= ting different users).=0A=0ASetting up NFS was a lesson in the intecracies = of NIS twice since my Linux clients do things a little differently. After a= sking on one of the IRC channels that we are not advised to use; I edited t= he /var/yp/Makefile to suppress groups outside the range of (1001 -2000). T= hat basicly prevents the "special" groups from being exported to the Linux = clients (that use different numbering) To do this, I DID need the gory low-= level details in the handbook. I didn't note the exact date, but I really d= idn't touch the server for months after that. I copied my work to the Linux= client because the hard-disk was failing, and I still did not get DVD-burn= ing working.=0A=0AAt one point when doing a Google search for "fxp" I came = across this message:=0Ahttp://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/curr= ent/2008-10/msg00340.html=0ACall for testers: fxp(4) WOL <- My card!=0AAt = that point, I decided to install the FreeBSD testing release (7.x). I had b= een felling guilt about leaving a barely-used computer running 24/7. Especi= ally since I wasn't going to trust it with my work aging until I do a succe= ssful backup/restore.=0A=0AI finally installed FreeBSD 7.2 (release) on May= 9, 2009. However, I now note some feature creep:=0AIn addition to file/pri= nt and backup server, I want to:=0A1. Have it sleep when not in use (part o= f the delay was figuring out how to get the router to send the magic packet= . I read RFC's to determine the proper way, and found a "hack" that will wo= rk on my floppy-based router for my network set-up (send it every DHCP leas= e). =0AProper way:=0Ahttp://www.freesco.org/support-forum/viewtopic.php?f= =3D15&t=3D17194=0A(proposal only; rejected due to space constraints)=0A2. I= think I want to move the Voice/Fax/Modem to the machine. Recently I realis= ed a lack of WakeOnRing may impair phone answering if machine is sleeping.= =0A3. I still hope to do "other things" once the machine is working reliabl= y.=0A=0A=0ASo, this long story boils down to the following question:=0A=0AW= hat is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like ma= n-pages)?=0A=0AI am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrel= evant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much = as possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing a= round with. Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that= part of my problem is I want to use the documentation to do the "right thi= ng" rather than experiment. Once I move the family's files onto the server,= it becomes essential. I won't be able to have it out of commission for wee= ks at a time. I hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usa= ble again: just do a clean install every morning! I even downloaded the Win= dows 7 RC so that I can be informed when I say it sucks.=0A=0A=0ARegards,= =0A=0AJames Phillips=0A=0APS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD rele= ases faster than I can configure my computer! ;)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ______= ____________________________________________________________=0ALooking for = the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! =0A=0Ahttp://www.flickr.com/gift= / From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:02:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363F11065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA78FC1B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1215401fxm.36 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pxcihC1qyOM0e+H6M3hIBqvSKPtntmJOSGNi16TpSf8=; b=ZmytgtxyXOG9bFhpSDW7PjiTmQWpXaqgEWxhzM3J7fVaeo+1j+4EIsvmjILNmV1sFX jM9JYTAmcTb7NKxniLgnTJWU7onnZ/kCDwUBSmjrPuMM4n9CglP/MLkHhCW1tSvSvnkA 81MbM8Em0d6PWhl+el6ur95dKx9Bbt0ZMBUkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=JRSW1J62Rgz0sp9b+bgaFYcWK0wUSVls9SYRQ+w8XZnLmFOOyjQo3c704n1bbg2ajq QlGwq+qBkl3/J1iiShUCeD20rFd9NwMKMKl6f3kI21sb+InpA4hzEktVMmiQV62DoIj4 FV6Qy24UzBInWxRFCd4uFagRlTmn7uKJ71lXM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.120.16 with SMTP id b16mr2526241bkr.64.1249596118544; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061501h6af06d0elb7d0f3d609c3788f@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Need FreeBSD troubleshooting expert in Manhattan X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jalmberg@identry.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:02:00 -0000 I have a server in Manhattan (NYI.net) that isn't booting. I'm trying to fix it (not making any changes until I'm absolutely sure I know what the problem is and how to fix it), but I have the feeling that this problem may be beyond my relatively limited admin skills. If you are a very experienced FreeBSD admin, close to lower Manhattan, please contact me off list at identry(at)gmail.com. Thanks: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:02:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1682A106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:02:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44E88FC1E for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266053CC39; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76M1txa001569; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:01:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:01:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20090807000155.6423c928.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A7B337A.5030009@otenet.gr> References: <4A76FB32.9050601@videotron.ca> <20090803215319.8fad2441.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A798DF2.3020305@videotron.ca> <200908051651.53302.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20090805203337.c6f74172.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A89B3.6010206@mapper.nl> <4A7A8CDB.20004@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4A7B16F2.7080304@bah.homeip.net> <4A7B2FA3.5020603@hdk5.net> <4A7B337A.5030009@otenet.gr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Stapper , Bernt Hansson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Al Plant Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:02:03 -0000 On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:48:10 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > I should however note that although this work takes out most of the > compiling steps (and I plan to expand the range of pre-built packages > soon), it is still not "a common man's OS", as all the configuration > steps are manual. A truck is not a common man's car. :-) > I am also developing some shell scripts that will > automate a considerable part of post-setup configuration, but these will > need to be tweaked accordingly. I think nearly every admin among us has his own nice collection of such "lazy man's scripts". :-) > There are more than a few things that prevent FreeBSD from becoming > friendly to a non-expert, non-willing-to-study-docs user. This is correct, and related to the nature of FreeBSD, which is a multi-purpose OS. If it would be a single user single PC single task at once OS, maybe. But it can serve as a fine OS on servers, on desktops and on "mixed forms", so there are many selections the person who wants to use it has to make - BY HIMSELF, because the OS doesn't know what you want to do with it. You're supposed to know it, and how to communicate these facts to the OS. As you correctly pointed out, this involves some learning, as well as mastering basic things like understanding the (english) language. > PC-BSD deals > with many of them (preinstalled NVidia, flash support, PBI system) and > it gets better all the time. That is very true. Only some media codecs can be considered a bit problematic, as well as how it deals with common tasks involved with USB sticks n stuff - like plugging out mounted file systems. :-) > Although if the point is getting a simple > user to move away from Windows, most any desktop oriented linux distro > will probably do the job. The "strength" of MICROS~1 software is its aggressive marketing, not its quality. It's so commonly used because users don't know that alternatives do exist, and this is furthermore reasoned in the education system that tells them this "unchangable fact". This way, a "belief" has grown that has nothing to do with real life. > Such a user won't need to have all the choices > and absolute control that FreeBSD provides to all of us. Yes. Suitable defaults and a wisely chosen set of preinstalled software is a way to achieve this. Another way is that people want to buy shiny boxes in a store - and pay for it. This seems to be especially the case for people who regularly use pirated copies of "Windows" and illegally installed expensive software "a friend" gave them because they "need" it. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:07:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49797106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098B18FC08 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86573CE05; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76M78Xq001580; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:07:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:07:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Frank Shute Message-Id: <20090807000708.6a321235.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ilya Shpan'kov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:07:15 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:46:05 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux > distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this > list. I've seen this in a german Linux magazine, titeling in a way similar to this: "FreeBSD - the professional Linux". :-) > He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on > FreeBSD. My whole life. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:14:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C51106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641818FC19 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960CD3CE2E; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:14:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76MEFjd001600; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:14:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:14:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090807001415.e3c86b62.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> References: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:14:23 -0000 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or > dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But > keeping everything current is painful. If you're not running a public or mission critical server - then don't do it. I've used a 5.4 installation for many years without any problems, and without the need to update something. But I'm crazy anyway. :-) > Does anybody know if PCBSD is as > pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? Quite. You won't have major problems because English already is your native language. If you're comfortable with KDE and will be using the PBI installer (read: "Push Button Installer"), it can be a fine system. Even OS updates are distributed in PBI format. > I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, > apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want > to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. "Serious web video stuff" - how many contradictions does this statement include? :-) No, seriously: Especially if you rely on "Flash", Linux doesn't seem to be as... well... problematic? as FreeBSD. > I'd like to say kilowatts by having one "tao" that can handle everything > from hacking code to playing a movie. That's FreeBSD to me since 4.0, but I have to admit that my needs haven't yet grown to all the "modern web media" stuff... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:15:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A7B106570F for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903DE8FC21 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181433CC1E; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76MFUKE001609; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Peter Boosten Message-Id: <20090807001530.098e314f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A7A45A3.4080902@boosten.org> References: <1249506008.4520.5.camel@penguin.coert.local> <20090805233332.2f58fa88.freebsd@edvax.de> <4A7A45A3.4080902@boosten.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-questions , Coert Waagmeester Subject: Re: eclipse install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:15:43 -0000 On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:23 +0200, Peter Boosten wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web > > browser in this old fashioned way. :-) > > Unfortunately this is not true for the jdk. But it's only a minor > disadvantage ;-) Sadly, you are true, and that's one of the few things that still annoy me when setting up a new system without preloaded Java files at hand. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:25:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B4C106566C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595EA8FC1A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so1460244yxe.3 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:25:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AaYsXLhBYleumnJD/8e2Pdwvy7Mhxq7pkL8Oil471eY=; b=Tr7HihD8j4h1lwZltkfRUsqwc8u99HHl73Oj5ODaNZuQX84yHldG+X8zU9YdrPeJYy zY1uA8OZ6JjvSoheWil7JAWdNRUaaxnnlgfdei7ig8vt59ErReT0QrOLCw8OWZDxspFz 2GlSHxdqfDl5dsRzAllcqLD8j5jE8tqiTsUuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NfPLKa2AWFjKJPyKS+KjHyvAmK4SA2x/8T/tWHn0qG5Oo+rA4DUcoNxwdZGwNUPyxP u0ctIMXZXZBNRp2iqcxUavH/i9yMy4ckBUTWyHjFQS8Jcg+/gWQt+nryIpJ/9g6BbFwe RqiFs/1P1kF526//SONtta29smcpfmD2gExZA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.143.10 with SMTP id v10mr1017570ybn.52.1249597510449; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:25:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20090806120011.8528A106567E@hub.freebsd.org> <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: James Phillips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:25:11 -0000 > inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many >> years >> (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number). >> > > I have been struggling to use FreeBSD for a shorter amount of time (for a= fileserver). I was originally attracted to OpenBSD "for security." However= , OpenBSD users are expected to compile all patches from source. Since I wa= sn't planning on doing code-reviews myself, I saw little benefit in using e= xtra disk space and compile time when binaries would do.i run -current (via snapshots) > [snip . . . a lot, which I didn't read] > So, this long story boils down to the following question: > > What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like= man-pages)? > What?! Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a dick, but your question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across something that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read about, say, wifi card drivers that you don't use. > I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or some= times too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible u= ntil I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with. How do you expect to get comfortable w/out "playing around," other than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? >Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that part of my= problem is I want to use the documentation to do the "right thing" rather = than experiment. Once I move the family's files onto the server, it becomes= essential. I won't be able to have it out of commission for weeks at a tim= e. I hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usable again: = just do a clean install every morning! I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC s= o that I can be informed when I say it sucks. > > > Regards, > > James Phillips > > PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than I can c= onfigure my computer! ;) Again . . . What?! You're not required to update every time there is a release. This too is odd, IMO. > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0______________________________________________________________= ____ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:31:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA061065672 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46318FC20 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1231246fxm.36 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WyB2vMy5o798B6FRpmdPWxzpmc1zg5T23cldYq32UVs=; b=VNUp9UDENwHQkaCDcAZULq/ZEi/qmkncoONH4QJpy5LNx/+GHCiLwYWWikYNMu6iAV 9C+xBHTxgJtlnZd47wj3ka3IAM78+b7GkJmsKE4TOUPOf/0SGRyB8kMTGUsoli8I0CiE PEJ/emXMzxNy3lEDCQiCqGh1tPYE/OASmNk+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=jATYOkc3xlQOaSMqG7VPy/PAI4Mz0vIUbJMJAyu87FTsrBB0WFXfQC6v76QSlZMRDg VFzlveb474U4AguhgSWAkNhjt7C81F+Faqo8rhVqWc4TsXBza8P+kmVl63PIMRZJZTxx NxVAaHtlssmcGqeqEDPKk6RF0FjtILo7wHnNY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.65.18 with SMTP id g18mr2537713bki.5.1249597872501; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:31:12 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 768b26779260c804 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061531g71f35488wcca164c530985e55@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:31:14 -0000 > Identry wrote: >> >> During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: >> >> =A0 =A0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a >> > Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 > and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from > that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its > probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your > data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC > kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels > directory.) I've booted the install CD1 and found something called 'fixit' mode. I've been googling, but can't seem to find any info on 'fixit'. Is it possible to use this instead of a livefs disk? BTW, this is a 6.3 system. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:34:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E553A106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625238FC17 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n76MY43w069674; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:34:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D6117B853; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:34:04 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Identry Message-ID: <20090806223404.GA12602@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061431q50c6f45bn76040bcc8d1950ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908061431q50c6f45bn76040bcc8d1950ae@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:34:41 -0000 --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:31:49PM -0400, Identry wrote: > > Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 > > and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from > > that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its > > probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your > > data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC > > kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels > > directory.) >=20 > Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... >=20 > This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is > lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for > the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me > know... If it won't boot from the MegaRAID, and there is a red exclamation mark showing on the front panel, I'd say there is a good chance that you've got a hardware problem... Maybe try another RAID card, if you have one available? Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7WlwACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVkZQCghBr15aH8eYQcWSc9ACss9omJ JiAAoK3rt3qWlEdJsN+qvyHCtg8KbULd =JX0z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:35:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183DB1065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987A08FC2B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1222336ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6jqAbLl15AUKXve2DnVAUKMcg8jOtYm/oH28XJ5+Ep8=; b=nhrlFgu/8fu1SbOJCvDksxHbPJ2oYQXUSFoI5lvLIXy9Y7N60MWKp80kh50kyUUUjJ oeqraQ5Jx6/EL0Up2MMO9uuo4+QdWTVO2cDWjHoA5AMBzitgJ2mD3CxpgGCNkgKUdHDI NDbwJPXghMR+cU3juVfH995QOxVYh1lIaxyYA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fFa5ZaHGBHITzkGYkAAjHcgMAWEIv+54oLrVdYaKod1brsB9oK/vCGNwyefEbksUzd zEEWhmx9u+G2HNRye4EIGWnRkqkeEHaCQk0ck5oNnKXK8O4ja/SplA9ySQyIFk90RGDP A3SfUtcMZ9vFNrgnk08gr05mLewqTpMPxGDmw= Received: by 10.210.12.13 with SMTP id 13mr89323ebl.12.1249598120597; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm1132162eye.24.2009.08.06.15.35.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:35:09 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090806233509.7935c23d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:35:22 -0000 On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 David Southwell wrote: > Hi every one > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for > systems with Intel Quad Core processors. > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean > why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a > genre? The time to complain about that was when they put the "i" in i386. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:41:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD2410656B9 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 941C28FC17 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 43689 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2009 22:41:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249598500; bh=nKlHE+A4yeBGktiBIBKXJEfLtEwpI+mWwvz+ISaeXiQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NsPqtsvb7Eg0XGBskMgWBdttmze2HXppnMgnYk3V3vqdB/BJkdTV6uQBf4Eiwo9DnfUVrfo+fdaydiDBDWB18lSN/V4Tdj2jtYiI5/yZsx6fmXwv72IqlXzuHUel41FcCNYEMjHIbf7T8fvP+N8g5dhgmuAKDgjTj8Acb2DgUMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I/GpOOT7SDEAGPhaLnQ/ioRn3yM/DQlVEJ6+x4gvxNNYOKAP7egLF7aElS5ZnM/DYoxOTTQKymr8cPSoz0imgeo5gEvO2bdpLq8/inKjgnGmgPRQDjbpZof5R4fb4g1y9NfKuMC1dM+hP1JpUlN8kLq7b/PmpegAcXVktZ8bRIg=; Message-ID: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3SdqwBMVM1lQG_CiVuxMc1XoQEUdRst2xN4VJSd.IqdD2km5DkH6u2B9HJSMd_aM2uE_xXX_9g9I3w7aI0dqbBAxBzmdRXwoh8hPrIV.9bWuTNu1oycSuiCy49F_3Ix1gAbJm1tMlN5RIg4Ft6UvSVkXUgP7mlOly3aRUnWsq8rZAqkTVM0CNqjsQ6EP8Q15TBXI_QxkSFUOOZCf_SXPnitL9bRTHq.Gcmg4bf7CflF4HtsET660gj4qpaltwE5fljHTM31Oej.fFMRO28p4p1PZuNabN7uWEyXxvxReZNATFJq4Iht1eibDOh0mgjEgle723zp1WLlcUCUNXlCT4WPoZW8Z5g65uw-- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:41:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: Neal Hogan In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:41:42 -0000 --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Neal Hogan wrote: > > So, this long story boils down to the following > question: > > > > What is that best way to use the handbook and related > documentation (like man-pages)? > > > > What?! > > Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a > dick, but your > question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across > something > that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read > about, say, > wifi card drivers that you don't use. > > > I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by > irrelevant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid > programing as much as possible until I actually have a > work-station I am comfortable playing around with. > > How do you expect to get comfortable w/out "playing > around," other > than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? > Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my "workstation" that would be a separate computer. I want to build myself a "sand-box" so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). Regards, James Phillips __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:56:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFEBD1065670 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E838FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so1479025yxe.3 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:56:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hBcl3yABtk4+HEBTzGFtRGgXFQ8zX1I7TvJya54Fkr0=; b=GoRoVsXmJXV2SYuh3J5VIjgVZws6iLG0dVLtk0qVU2ZnsPMTq/iYCO6K/JnNycf+q4 QgOu78TM4xk+S5V+uuVMCwCRZ+hqvnN781C6jvgP5TphcvcdZftLgCAofLS8dw0MtEIp PH3XyYpJ/g5K6+y0YjCQgfJpKenePub/YA2zg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JUoxGtzOEYpl6cLWVTThtTWz/oEe6Aq8r4h9jgdhDIVoaLxNeqcOVZ+ornknwQVdv1 3rxBG1ybAiA0phw3n/nBQHOYXN2b+6rU8uJz2Zj7tmFjfjypk4UBtlmvgA1AJj0EuERa Q8nxZ+87Kw7VRNIm+RtWcazakVgRuoogGDM+0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.192.7 with SMTP id p7mr1043199ybf.100.1249599417630; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:56:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: James Phillips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:56:59 -0000 >> How do you expect to get comfortable w/out "playing >> around," other >> than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? >> > > Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing = around on my "workstation" that would be a separate computer. > > I want to build myself a "sand-box" so I don't have to worry about breaki= ng stuff that is unrelated. > > Another way of asking the question: > > How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD = burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learni= ng disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? > > I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). > I'm still a bit dumb-founded, because I'm not sure what an answer to that question would look like and how one could formulate a "decent" answer. I wonder if installing fBSD on a "sand-box" partition/machine and just build sand castles until you're comfortable is the best way to go. If your looking for someone (i.e., one or three folks) to say, "Oh, fBSD is very intuitive and if you know M$, then the migration should be a breeze!" Good luck! In fact, how would you treat any answer that you got to your question. I think you should just try it (I suspect having a linux background will help). > > Regards, > > James Phillips > > > =A0 =A0 =A0______________________________________________________________= ____ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo= ! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:58:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20C10656C1 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711AA8FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F2781C1A67; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:58:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A7B6010.2090506@locolomo.org> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:58:24 +0200 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations & /boot/boot2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:28 -0000 Nerius Landys wrote: > Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a > user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user > access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical > workstation. I assume that users cannot tingle with the hardware, take it apart, add a different disk etc. and that only authorized users can physically access the computer. That's what physical security is about. I understand you may have some authorized user who will nevertheless try to gain elevated privileges. That's really logical security, local that is as opposed to remote/network security. > 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom > parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by > password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and > /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. > > And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. You can configure the loader such as not to present any loader menu but boot right away. If you need the option of booting into single user mode, then you can password protect single user mode. > So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, > or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make > it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by > physically opening up the box. You can always make it more difficult, which should give you less to worry about. You have to weigh how much work it takes against how much you really have to worry about, then decide when it's enough. How about running diskless? How about centralized authentication with NIS or LDAP? Another option is to disable root locally, that is the account still exist but with * in the password field.. If each workstation runs sshd you can use key based authentication to gain privileged access remotely while local access is disabled. > I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space > during the initial boot blocks: > >>> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader > boot: > > I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something > and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, > and if so, how can I disable this prompt? you've still got floppies? wow. How about trying to boot a floppy with your current configuration? I'm not sure that it will work at that stage if it has been disabled in the bios. It might be possible to load the kernel from the harddisk then tell the kernel to mount the floppy as root device. You could solve that by compiling a kernel without floppy support and delete the kernel module. You need to learn how to script the loader, read the source code, I don't recall finding much documentation on that last time I looked. Others suggest you encrypt the harddrive, I don't find it very useful in your case, I assume your users need to access the systems and use them for the intended purposes and you just want to protect against someone trying to escalate his privileges. If you encrypt partitions with geli then you'll have to enter the password every time somebody reboots. However, you should consider encrypted swap and temporary partition, together with forced reboot on logout you avoid session data getting in the hands of the next user. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 22:59:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C620210656BE for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560398FC18 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZBvZ-0005J0-BO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:59:17 +0000 Received: from pool-68-239-72-47.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.72.47]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:59:17 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-72-47.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:59:17 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:59:19 -0400 Lines: 80 Message-ID: References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061431q50c6f45bn76040bcc8d1950ae@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-72-47.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:59:21 -0000 Identry wrote: >> Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 >> and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from >> that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its >> probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your >> data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC >> kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels >> directory.) > > Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... > > This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is > lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for > the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me > know... > > I have the cd1 and cd2, but not the livefs cd. I'm going to try to > find that right now. > I do not know exactly what the light is indicating, such things are usually located in the hardware docs that came with the server. I would hazard a guess that it is indicating a hardware failure. If you are exceedingly lucky it might not be a FreeBSD issue as long as the data on the hard drive(s) has not been corrupted. If it were me, the very first thing I'd do is power down and disconnect the drives. I'd install for temporary testing purposes any old spare blank hard drive I had laying around. If it is a brand name server there may have been included a diagnostics CD. Boot from that and see what happens. Next up is a boot to the BIOS configuration screen. When you power up the first item normally displayed is the text from the video ROM initialization. After this should be some form of announcement on how to get into BIOS config. Press whatever key and enter. Look for one of the preconfigured options such as "BIOS Defaults". If you can select this and save the board will be set to a fairly fail-safe set of defaults. Note that what this is telling you is the video and motherboard are initializing. If you cannot get to this point you may have a dead motherboard. Most boards will emit some form of beep code if the video ROM fails to initialize. Next up is if the board proceeds past this point watch for drive controller initialization. Most (most notably RAID) server controllers may have a message display when the controller ROM initializes indicating some form of key-press combo to enter the controller configuration. An example would be "press Ctrl-A" you'll see from an Adaptec card/chip. If you cannot get to any of these stages consider either dead motherboard or power supply problem. Easiest way to confirm/eliminate a power supply is to substitute a known 100% functional one and see if you can now get to the afore mentioned stage(s) of boot. Power supply problems can sometimes manifest as hard drives that don't want to spin up. Listen and you can usually tell if they spin up, or not. Your trouble sounds most like hardware failure. And because in your first email you did indicate a "Trying to mount root..." error most of the above described basic troubleshooting will end up being either dead hard drive(s) or malfunctioning controller. The reason I would have substituted a known good "scratch" drive earlier is twofold: if it can boot or install or otherwise initialize the controller it is indicative that the controller is OK and the problem is most likely dead drive(s). Secondly, you don't want to take any chances on damaging the data yourself with all this mucking about. If there has been drive failure you will need to replace, reinstall, and restore. If it has been a controller failure you will never have any success either booting, or installing a minimum system to the "scratch" drive. A controller failure also has the possibility of having already destroyed your data. Again, replace, reinstall, restore will be the order of the day. This is just some quickly thrown out stuff in hopes it may be useful to you. It sounds like a hardware failure and not only do you have to deal with that first, you may also have to reinstall and/or restore from backup as well. I typed this up rather in a hurry, (so it's a little 'scrambled') but I think if read in totality you get the idea on things you can do to isolate and resolve. Good luck to you in any event. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:09:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A5B106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A3E8FC0A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from atomic.dyndns.org (athedsl-4467991.home.otenet.gr [94.71.109.7]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n76N9pgs024603; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:09:52 +0300 Message-ID: <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Phillips References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:09:54 -0000 James Phillips wrote: > Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my "workstation" that would be a separate computer. > > I want to build myself a "sand-box" so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. > > Another way of asking the question: > > How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? > > I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). > > > Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the fact Windows forces the users (and admins) to a completely different way of thinking than FreeBSD. The various wizards abstract way too many parts of the system, to the point where you can configure services you don't really understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and there are many 'recommended' defaults along the way). This is mostly not possible in FreeBSD. You do need some level of understanding before making a particular feature to work, though you are not expected to be an expert on the subject. The level of course varies with the feature (sendmail is orders of magnitude more difficult than NFS). Linux experience will definitely help. Watch out for Linux-specific docs and differences in commands. Getting on with your questions: NFS is part of the base system. It is easy to configure and works with Linux clients as well. Read section 29.3.2 here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nfs.html Samba is a port you can install from net/samba3. Some simple instructions are provided, section 29.9.2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-samba.html The main settings file, smb.conf, can probably be used with little to no changes from a Linux machine (if you have one configured). Don't forget to use pdbedit to add samba users (this is documented in the handbook) For DVD burning (from the command line, I assume) use the sysutils/dvd+rw-tools port. If using an atapi burner, load the atapicam driver at startup by adding atapicam_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf. This will create a /dev/cd0 from your /dev/acd0 device (it emulates a SCSI device). Then use the instructions in 18.7.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html You can definitely start testing these in a virtual machine or test system and come back with any questions. And take your time reading the docs and actually understanding the way the system works. This will make you a lot more confident. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:37:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF34E106564A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8157B8FC19 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5475B7E818 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:37:35 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:37:34 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> <20090806204621.GA27902@marge.bs.l> In-Reply-To: <20090806204621.GA27902@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908061537.34431.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: Mouse still crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:37:37 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:46:21 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: > > an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble > > here. > > This is a real mess. Nobody gives me any help and I do not know > what to try any further. I sometimes run stuff under nobody, but never mail with it. FWIW, you don't need synaptics support or driver for vertical scrolling on a touchpad, only for the horizontal scrolling and some extra features. The psm driver nor moused has been taught about horizontal scrolling last time I checked. Kernel debugging is outlined in the developers handbook and a minute investigated in searching the archives, the FreeBSD website or even google, would have shown you that. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html You might get some help on freebsd-x11 list. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:38:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888FB1065674 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AEB8FC25 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1265716fxm.36 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:38:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uZa9yqAdM5qIQArLfS9k+1xzwwDCh6MfoI+a8TKtOLM=; b=UbxYCuanOxNvRrXhQtXQdl3xuokrskKL3vaCbacsnhiIi+wwQ8oRRbBLxq5H/NKRBU RnH65qVwy7tdRsMjCuadFyYD/DTLg3RD+dZfBcsrdjmNO4RZ6OteGRSPXRDVqt8gZ9HO sQj2kT3ogW8M1ImHuYkNuCjNn0tWWPX+RgzyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=scLWulaTQSoSrjoWHH2K2j4LK5BarISreIaLTKVzNDqC+yAa6mf0JDsAONHzIx8Ltn 5cXeDXK41RpbO54U8RoQ5U00R2zBc6fykvARwecc3rf/fr2+uKE/GpjpQw0X97ufErGL JSmyOrQVOkbofjyKgfghd6x7LGNGfepdAfQ3A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.12 with SMTP id y12mr2499564bkp.214.1249601899968; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061638x3c02ac4cr7ce5a492b9350871@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Freebsd expert in Manhattan? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jalmberg@identry.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:38:21 -0000 I've got a server in lower manhattan (at NYI.net datacenter) that hangs when trying to mount the root partition. I'm working on it right now, but have a feeling this may be beyond my limited admin skills, and I really need this server back online ASAP. Might be time to hire a professional. Can anyone recommend an experienced admin in the NYC area? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:45:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97437106567A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177758FC27 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A213CD2B; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:45:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76NjllV002092; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:45:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:45:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: James Phillips Message-Id: <20090807014546.3d524df6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20090806120011.8528A106567E@hub.freebsd.org> <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:45:55 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:56:41 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips wrote: > I was also attracted to BSD because I knew from my brief stint at > university that the BSD man-pages were actually kept up to date. As a developer, documentation is VERY important to me. That's why I love FreeBSD, because the OS and many ported applications have manpages (try "man opera" for example); furthermore, kernel inter- faces, library functions and even files have a nice manpage. > Not like the GNU system [...] This page is intentionally left free. :-) > Following the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on trying to get the > printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me to write > my own print driver! Definitely not. In order to connect the printer spooler (which takes care of the different printer jobs) with a printer filter (that con- verts the data, usually Postscript, into the printer's individual language, e. g. PCL) such as CUPS or apsfilter, there are only very few steps to be taken, such as install it, set up which printer you have, and maybe change Letter to A4 format. > I checked the HP website: they will release the details of the PCL > language (version 4 or so) for a price. The PCL language is usually output by gs (the Ghostscript printer "driver" collection that translates PS into PCL and other printer languages). > I finally got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the > ports collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print > server is not functional yet.) Personally, I prefer apsfilter to CUPS, but maybe you would have liked CUPS better. It offers a browser based interface and offers lots of autodetection functionality. (But you can't install a parallel printer that isn't connected to the system easily, for example.) Setting up a printer with the apsfilter SETUP script is very easy as long as you know which name the printer has - you mentioned HP. And if it's a HP Laserjet, you're lucky. You're even more lucky if your printer does support the PS standard, because then you can avoid using any printer filter (such as apsfilter) because PS is the default output format for printing, and it can be fed directly into the printer. > After basicly using the server for my own use via ssh and FTP for > a while, I decided to try to get samba and NFS working. There are some good tutorials about how to do this. It's not very complicated. The complexity is given by the expected MICROS~1 client PCs that don't support standards like NFS. :-) > This time, I narrowed the scope: Fileserving (SAMBA, NFS), Printing, > and working backups. That's quite easy to achieve by following the howtos. > November 18, 2007, I started my FreeBSD 6.2 installation. This time > I kept notes detailing what I had to do to configure each portion > of the system. Looking up commands I may need if things go wrong > ahead of time. A good choice. I've still got some of them, especially for the "more complicated things" like Samba. > Initially, I was struggling with a chicken&egg problem with back > ups: I wanted to borrow a client computer's DVD drive. However, > I wanted to backup the client computers to the server. It was > resolved by putting a DVD burner in the server. I also made > made few tweaks of the system to better follow the Filesystem > Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt). Erm, excuse me? First of all, it's not encouraged to mix OS things with application things. You know that FreeBSD keeps the difference between "the OS" and "everything else" (which is located in the /usr/local subtree). If you're coming from a Linux background, I could understand that you're not familiar with this concept. The /usr/local subtree can be completely removed and still leaves you with a completely intact and functional OS. Everything that you install by ports or packages goes into /usr/local, and of course, the configuration files belong there, too. /usr/local/etc has the same structure as /etc, but it's reserved for additional software. Vice versa, configuration files of locally installed ports do not belong into /etc. Refer to % man hier to learn where things are kept on FreeBSD. > I set up samba in read-only mode with little trouble. I'm not > sure if I can ever get read/write + user-level security working > with win98. Sure, I don't know if "Win98" does support this. But if you get the users and data managed centrally, everything is based upon the standard UFS user:group and ugo=rwx setting scheme. > That machine is slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver > working the way I want. That indicates a major problem. Either your hardware is faulty, or you are treating the software in the wrong way. > The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I lost data > due to a damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned that > bzip2recover is a quick hack that needs to be re-written properly > according to the source code). It's completely normal that you lose data on "Windows" platforms. That's why you have a UNIX server for backups. > I hope to replace windows with wine for the most part, but wine > simply installs the applications in the users' home directory > (breaking the FHS). No. You run wine as a user application, so you have user rights only. Then, wine of course provides a user-based installation of your desired "Windows" program. A workaround could be to create a special user, e. g. "wincompat", that is used to install the applications. His home directory /home/wincompat is then set to allow access for other users, so they can execute the (there installed) "Windows" programs instead of requiring a user-local installation. > This is only resolvable IMHO by having wine use a real database > back-end for the registry (allowing user-level "views" of the > data, while still isolating different users). That's a bit complicated, but still possible with the standard file attributes on a UFS file system - I hope I understood you correctly. > Setting up NFS was a lesson in the intecracies of NIS twice > since my Linux clients do things a little differently. After > asking on one of the IRC channels that we are not advised to use; [...] We? > [...] I edited the /var/yp/Makefile to suppress groups outside > the range of (1001 -2000). That basicly prevents the "special" > groups from being exported to the Linux clients (that use different > numbering) It's traditional to create a "name:name" for user "name". Of course, there's no problem of grouping your user names to "name:group1" and similar things; "name:staff" comes into mind. > To do this, I DID need the gory low-level details in the handbook. > I didn't note the exact date, but I really didn't touch the server > for months after that. I copied my work to the Linux client because > the hard-disk was failing, and I still did not get DVD-burning > working. There's the growisofs tool from the ports. The port's name is dvd+rw-tools. You simply run % growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -r -J somedata/ or refer to % man growisofs for detailed information. (I have a symling dvd -> cd0 so it fits to the manpage.) Of course, you don't need ISO-9660 for data DVDs, you could record tar archives onto them directly, but that's another topic. > At one point when doing a Google search for "fxp" I came across this message: > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2008-10/msg00340.html > Call for testers: fxp(4) WOL <- My card! The fxp NIC is an Intel one, right? I still have one, works good, and is excellently supported. > At that point, I decided to install the FreeBSD testing release > (7.x). Testing? A release isn't for testing, it's for a productive and functional system. If you intend testing, you would require the latest sources from HEAD, which is 8-CURRENT at the moment. > I had been felling guilt about leaving a barely-used computer running > 24/7. Especially since I wasn't going to trust it with my work aging > until I do a successful backup/restore. You should always test your backups early. Defective backups are NO backups. > I finally installed FreeBSD 7.2 (release) on May 9, 2009. However, I > now note some feature creep: > In addition to file/print and backup server, I want to: > 1. Have it sleep when not in use (part of the delay was figuring out > how to get the router to send the magic packet. I read RFC's to > determine the proper way, and found a "hack" that will work on my > floppy-based router for my network set-up (send it every DHCP lease). Are you talking about the "wake on LAN" feature? > 2. I think I want to move the Voice/Fax/Modem to the machine. Recently > I realised a lack of WakeOnRing may impair phone answering if machine > is sleeping. I think that's been calling "wake on modem"... it reminds me to a funny accident when a customer told me that when his phone rings, his computer starts up. :-) > 3. I still hope to do "other things" once the machine is working > reliably. FreeBSD's good load management should make this possible. > So, this long story boils down to the following question: > > What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation > (like man-pages)? Read and understand. Ask if something is not clear to you. > I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or > sometimes too low-level stuff. Selective reading (skipping irrelevant stuff) is handy. > I want to avoid programing as much as > possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing > around with. Well, I do it the same way. > Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that part > of my problem is I want to use the documentation to do the "right > thing" rather than experiment. Once I move the family's files onto > the server, it becomes essential. Remember to regularly backup, and check the backups. > I won't be able to have it out of commission for weeks at a time. > I hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usable > again: just do a clean install every morning! Doesn't it reinstall automatically by itself? :-) > I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC so that I can be informed when > I say it sucks. Well... I'm familiar with most of "Windows" problems, but my house has always been a "Windows" free zone, so it doesn't even affect me if it sucks. :-) > PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than > I can configure my computer! ;) And I find it a little annoying that if I decide to update my system, a new release is soon coming, encouraging me to wait until it's finally released. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:50:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D046E106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=46203bad1=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C5D8FC16 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:50:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,337,1246856400"; d="scan'208";a="15944100" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2009 18:21:14 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3E114EF48 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:21:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:21:14 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:50:06 -0000 Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:50:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C9B106567C for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC248FC2B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAF43CD30; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:50:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76NoZHQ002099; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:50:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:50:35 +0200 From: Polytropon To: James Phillips Message-Id: <20090807015035.8e1227e4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:50:38 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips wrote: > Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before > playing around on my "workstation" that would be a separate > computer. The default installation of FreeBSD covers most cases. > I want to build myself a "sand-box" so I don't have to worry > about breaking stuff that is unrelated. You could be interested in FreeBSD's jail subsystem. > Another way of asking the question: > > How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, > DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Depends completely on you. On your knowledge, experience, the basics you're familiar with, and the paradigms that you have lived in that make you expect certain things to work. Samba - find a good tutorial that covers your needs. NFS - same DVD burning - install dvd+rw-tools and read "man growisofs", especially the EXAMPLES section. > Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I > really need to read and understand that much detail? No. You just have to understand the things that are directly related to your requirements. For example, I know how to set up a PCL printer, but I don't know how to program in PCL. :-) > I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian > based). Should be fine. But keep in mind that FreeBSD is not Linux, allthough there are many similarities. And FreeBSD is not DOS. And it does not look like DOS. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 6 23:55:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9AB106566B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE228FC15 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED5E3CDDD for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:55:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n76Nsdg1002134; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:55:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:54:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Identry Message-Id: <20090807015439.efd5c8e0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908061531g71f35488wcca164c530985e55@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061531g71f35488wcca164c530985e55@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:55:31 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:31:12 -0400, Identry wrote: > I've booted the install CD1 and found something called 'fixit' mode. > I've been googling, but can't seem to find any info on 'fixit'. Is it > possible to use this instead of a livefs disk? As far as I remember, that's correct. CD1 contains the fixit shell. If you want a full-featured live file system (including X), you can download FreeSBIE. To me, it has become a helpful tool in problematic cases. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:04:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56268106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1740F8FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7663B3CE9B; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n7704H2m002178; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manolis Kiagias Message-Id: <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, James Phillips , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:04:24 -0000 On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the fact Windows > forces the users (and admins) to a completely different way of thinking > than FreeBSD. That's true. It's even hard to communicate with "'Windows' admins" because of a completey different and misleading terminology - and sadly often the lack of understanding what they're talking about. > The various wizards abstract way too many parts of the > system, to the point where you can configure services you don't really > understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and there are many > 'recommended' defaults along the way). Insecure mode: This is the mode you want. Select it NOW! :-) > This is mostly not possible in > FreeBSD. You do need some level of understanding before making a > particular feature to work, though you are not expected to be an expert > on the subject. The level of course varies with the feature (sendmail is > orders of magnitude more difficult than NFS). Yes. As I said (elsewhere), FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS. It does not know what you are intending to use it for, and it doesn't make any assumptions. So you have to communicate your requirements to the system. This requires a certain knowledge, of course. > Linux experience will definitely help. As long as your Linux experience includes basic UNIX (quite generic) knowledge. If you're only familiar with clicking in a pre-installed KDE, it's not much better than "Windows". > For DVD burning (from the command line, I assume) use the > sysutils/dvd+rw-tools port. If using an atapi burner, load the atapicam > driver at startup by adding atapicam_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf. I forgot to mention this. You are correct of course. > This will create a /dev/cd0 from your /dev/acd0 device (it emulates a > SCSI device). To conform with the growisofs manual, you could symlink it to /dev/dvd using the setting link acd0 cdrom in /etc/devfs.conf. Check for permissions to the files that are needed with burning commands - the ordinary user is usually not allowed to access these files in the needed way (due to security considerations). For example, you can put own cd0 root:operator perm cd0 0664 own xpt0 root:operator perm xpt0 0660 own pass0 root:operator perm pass0 0660 into the file mentioned above and add your user to the operator group (using the pw command). Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:08:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A794106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@apsara.com.sg) Received: from babylon.webvis.net (babylon.webvis.net [202.157.163.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A704C8FC20 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.240] ([119.73.191.194]) by apsara.com.sg ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:08:32 +0800 SGT From: Erich Dollansky Organization: apsara green technology pte ltd To: Erik Trulsson Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:08:30 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <200908061718.10505.erich@apsara.com.sg> <20090806110712.GA5475@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20090806110712.GA5475@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908070808.32646.erich@apsara.com.sg> Cc: Mark Stapper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:08:41 -0000 Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 19:07:12 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:18:09PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: > > > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for > > > > the Itanium? > > > > > > The one that didn't stick... indeed. > > > > do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? > > Wikipedia article on Itanium, Intel manufactures around 200,000 even for a 'RISC' CPU, this number seems very low to me. > > I have not seen one in the wild. > > Not surprising since the Itanium is mainly used in the kind of > high-end server systems that us ordinary people rarely see and > certainly can't afford to buy. I see Sun and IBM machines in places where the Itanium should fit. Some moved away from HP to avoid the Itanium. I know, USD 1 000 000 or more is not what normal people pay for a small computer. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:15:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77EF106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F228FC22 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1150940bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=fB9jd6iicPnVqPpdzSIuRnJBsO8dROk8kgFtwHSkMyY=; b=fqBU6fXXjntqIM+yT8CEyrTj5KyWTtMmhTPYrEtulWZNFAqCGx0ogZ7EFNIeFEMR3n c6L0a1RU2/xs4cDiDpvWZieaAl+/FGT82IWKENRIj5eaScfwl1jUBa7ISX6BOvu7rQrN r5eiUVuY7/RwUiW5E/qeHOoJzWWoC2zWev7gY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jLQj+0Lev7vaLzOPbgD0Jxn5WEojaTe8XVIzHV0Uc4VWAfDfYaHhpBUsN+33uBtOks OaM6DVG5K3R8BgOUxLTP6kVb4KicTvUY/YIu7A+0Xz+5sXe9WgVa1UownlDCzlQGZloE HgneReKYJX040jP4nyJ8YZLPNz1j1eM8OUNU4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.111.74 with SMTP id r10mr140850fap.40.1249604119138; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:15:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: Paul Schmehl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:15:21 -0000 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehl wrot= e: > Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go > about it? =A0Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? =A0Is there an > upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > > -- > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. As always, YMMV. Best of luck, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:25:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21FA1065672 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA42C8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n770Oibx036661; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:25:07 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090807002507.GB83349@thought.org> References: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> <20090807001415.e3c86b62.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090807001415.e3c86b62.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:25:18 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 12:14:15AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or > > dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But > > keeping everything current is painful. > > If you're not running a public or mission critical server - then > don't do it. I've used a 5.4 installation for many years without > any problems, and without the need to update something. But I'm > crazy anyway. :-) > well, thought.org is public, but i just have the basics. it is a Server, period. > > > > Does anybody know if PCBSD is as > > pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? > > Quite. You won't have major problems because English already is > your native language. If you're comfortable with KDE and will be > using the PBI installer (read: "Push Button Installer"), it can > be a fine system. Even OS updates are distributed in PBI format. > Super! just offhand, can i install PCSD *over* thius FBSd --7.1--? Keep /usr/home and so on? Or is PCBSD a do-it-from-scratch? (I'm pretty much OS agnostic [[so long as it's somethng like UNIX]], but here I know where things live... With ubuntu, diff't story.) > > > > I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, > > apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want > > to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. > > "Serious web video stuff" - how many contradictions does this > statement include? :-) No, seriously: Especially if you rely on > "Flash", Linux doesn't seem to be as... well... problematic? as > FreeBSD. hm, not sure how much flash is used, really. i just avoid as much of it as I can. if i can watch a public broadcasting stream i usually KVM over to my Ubntu box. ....mmmm. Hope the just-works PCBSD just-works here. > > > > > I'd like to say kilowatts by having one "tao" that can handle everything > > from hacking code to playing a movie. > > That's FreeBSD to me since 4.0, but I have to admit that my needs > haven't yet grown to all the "modern web media" stuff... > > i am not that into the-tube... but for science broadcasts, yep. especially things i've missed and are somewhere online. thanks for the datapoints! gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:33:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3E21065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD42A8FC19 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1156233bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hTGvOUIAgz9/hLRxW+VOcPWSWU1KKU33BcHm+vo1DXM=; b=JFYF+31KRwauuDGhOyxo3SQbNxFA5rK9EYM112g004PDZ6zFhzSDNHNn93OZ7uH1Qk 6r+a1qlB2MkWA9KZpHjWeNNUA/7UHZtg896RJNCYvU0zLGUYSVTL5m5C9WB4+fIfnhm8 Y0FFk4x/38tuQly+miZ331jCC252xM7bpsvsw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tOswInW5hMNcf+cNjIbTB7r3uenIpYehmG0vTpaG/mGVacUmFSoWiWMFcmZZBkho9p 6rXwoqny8/D+QZnvi7Af77JGR/vlT62hZAi9xHn1bbW0udAQ/as+gL0KEXU6PtZzaaoG n1FqAWJd2CRk7TfTlHSCgqooReyLNNlOjHR88= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.123.83 with SMTP id o19mr2628593bkr.12.1249605194684; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:33:14 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 03301ca6715da0a4 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:33:16 -0000 > Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 > and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from > that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its > probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your > data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC > kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels > directory.) Okay! Good news, I think. I used the 'fixit' mode, that is available through the installation disk, to mount the disk that fails to mount during boot up. What I did was: mount /dev/mfid0s1a /test It mounts successfully and I can see everything in that partition. So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why doesn't it mount during the boot process? -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:33:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881F2106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484818FC22 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n770XFuA036724; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Paul Schmehl Message-ID: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:33:43 -0000 On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:21:14PM +0000, Paul Schmehl wrote: > Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go > about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an > upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > i have a "me-too" here. i don't use very many of the KDE things. mostly the text-to-speech tools. last time things in kde4 were broken.... i think the kttsd failed. i'd be interested in Paul's question. it may be that kde3 is sopping up waaaay to much disc space. only have 6.5g left.... gary > -- > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:37:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F13F1065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B218FC1D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FBD3CF05; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n770bQkd002437; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:37:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:37:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andrew Gould Message-Id: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:37:34 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory > folder. Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:43:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857E61065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479B68FC22 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A96A3CE21; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:43:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n770hfjk002444; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:43:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:43:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20090807024341.a95c178c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090807002507.GB83349@thought.org> References: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> <20090807001415.e3c86b62.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807002507.GB83349@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:43:49 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:25:07 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Super! just offhand, can i install PCSD *over* thius FBSd > --7.1--? Keep /usr/home and so on? basically yes. Check if the installer allows you NOT to format the partition where you have your home directories. If it is /usr/home instead of /home (its own partition), problems may occur. Maybe you delete everything from /usr EXCEPT the home/ subtree and then tell the PC-BSD installer NOT to format the /usr partition. So your home directories should be intact. Keep copies of /etc/group,passwd et al. so you won't have to add all the users (if you have more than one) manually. > Or is PCBSD a > do-it-from-scratch? As FreeBSD, PC-BSD's "underlying OS", you are not forced to wipe anything. > (I'm pretty much OS agnostic [[so long > as it's somethng like UNIX]], but here I know where things > live... With ubuntu, diff't story.) Some people say that PC-BSD is the Ubuntu of the BSD's, or worse, the "Windows" in the UNIX world. :-) > hm, not sure how much flash is used, really. i just avoid as > much of it as I can. if i can watch a public broadcasting > stream i usually KVM over to my Ubntu box. ....mmmm. > Hope the just-works PCBSD just-works here. Should be no problem to forward X from the Ubuntu box to PC-BSD. There's even a "Flash" plugin available as PBI. > i am not that into the-tube... Therefore, thetube-dl -a exists. :-) > but for science broadcasts, > yep. especially things i've missed and are somewhere online. Too sad such stuff mostly isn't provided in a standardized video format (even streaming format)... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 01:32:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18523106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8D88FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1289908ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:32:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/G5pk8Uk8VQlxbsVAwMOiIV1mY3z48aE5ldCJHBYjKs=; b=TljtsyyZPhwiGGN5UljBtOBtirzXhSXyQQmXId7s9HT+2B0qdGDvFWR3OG3Ax+q8JJ pI9rIKgOInsQ05in6n91NH7eXXmcX0aijeiIcVx/Ord+iFAS03Ig16nJ2R60QXHYA9H1 GJt6DOIpbK2C40xjDj2IRUcZyqc4pye3UAlyw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=srNkh3oHE6uNOrpvNpjcfyWeL628bp9Tk5/LtTkJqa4N0cqPNjtyVtpJPz2vUqn/8r tnX88iPlnv+i2YdQcxNUnmS9a+wumo4CX78qk+rnk/9scsSMwxKWndlnJgTI+4b8Lxdg qq+ufNLY5pnDUg3p6RisjKJwDybQ5IrE413Yo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.3.79 with SMTP id 57mr114549weg.166.1249608775453; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:32:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, James Phillips , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:32:57 -0000 > Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for > a lifetime. :-) Amen. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 02:08:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE580106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A888FC0A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (really [76.182.207.163]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090807005307233.IGTW11508@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:53:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:53:05 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:08:54 -0000 --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould=20 wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehl > wrote: >> Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to = go >> about it? =C2=A0Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? =C2=A0Is = there an >> upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? >> >> -- >> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst >> > > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory > folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. > > As always, YMMV. I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like = this, and here's the problems I ran into. I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from=20 the former to the latter. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ****************************************** WARNING: Check the headers before replying From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 02:29:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C465106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:29:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B96B8FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007277E818; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:29:31 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:29:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908061829.30618.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:29:33 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 15:21:14 Paul Schmehl wrote: > Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go > about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an > upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? Wait a week I'd say. KDE 4.3.0 has hit the ports tree rather fast to be in time for the ports freeze and a lot of stuff is being ironed out. In fact, probably the best time is after the ports freeze is over. But I expect the big gotchas to be gone in a few days. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 03:04:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BCA1065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:04:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998A28FC27 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so1197135bwz.9 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=51BM6t1tq6diWYF12HFjLuX0GmHXMSmAAjTRS274xlE=; b=xaXb5i4k9RWDyhhzvJaGnEjsAlYAUCXTxaZ5DEQ8SiKwTpxXDfy/vc2xcV4x+xgMzA BrvWNkv0LIbxs1WG3bVQrAq03mVPFHj+dAfzoBXQINiOxax6zCTTzbSGVdn9xe/Rvidf Td+gaZeIoAZb8BTuHcrLSqXCJfxDXbhtD22OA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YWvfDwwQQJcqm0gOoLhJoiVJHECBnMU3InqLEMAwdjA8wQ8+pLHSCeFOpOwd98VbM1 80uumIWn6Gwny6nl2qntDHsAP/kamnbNOmRzrUSTJVWfXtvnXb6qC9Xi0C+pbr54H1aQ MsOFla9MuQCLuzXt9QUOAZlF3spR2k8CghHXs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.122.132 with SMTP id l4mr53453far.34.1249614260043; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:04:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:04:22 -0000 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: >> Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory >> folder. > > Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). > FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > Okay. I'm trainable. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 03:06:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E21065673 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:06:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cstankevitz@toyon.com) Received: from smtp1.toyon.com (206-190-77-154.static.twtelecom.net [206.190.77.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AC88FC19 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.1.101] (hosts253.toyon.com [65.160.147.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.toyon.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n772R1pq003968 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:27:01 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7B8FD1.9040003@toyon.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:22:09 -0700 From: Chris Stankevitz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Strange timing when reading from the serial port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:06:41 -0000 Hello, I have a device that sends one byte over the serial line every 10ms. Using c, I wrote an application that opens the serial port and reads bytes in an infinite loop. I disabled all blocking (O_NONBLOCK, VMIN=0, VTIME=0, B115200). My CPU spends ~100% of its time calling read() [which almost always returns 0]. I compute the time each byte shows up using gettimeofday(). By differencing the time of successive samples, I can compute the time it took each byte to arrive. Since the bytes are transmitted at 100Hz, I expect to find that delta_time is 10ms. For several seconds I get good results with delta_time = 10ms with a noise of ~50us Then performance deteriorates and I get 10ms + with a noise of ~50us and a bias that cycles through 0ms, 5ms, 0ms -5ms. Then results go back to good. See a graph of this here (y axis is delta_timeval, x axis is time in sec): http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4944/plot1t.gif http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9693/plot2.gif http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5995/plot3.gif Q: What is the source of the alternating +/- 5ms bias that comes and goes every few seconds? Possible answers: 1. My external device is sending the bytes strangely (I don't believe this, but I can use an oscilliscope to confirm). 2. read() doesn't return within 1ms of the data coming in to the serial port. 3. gettimeofday() does not return a time good to 1ms 4. none of the above Thank you for your help! Chris PS: I am using 7.2-RELEASE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 03:25:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9125E1065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221FA8FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1323510ewy.43 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+h5S5AjfRPi4Vu/ch1Kjh9TSRrM/OvKOL/60au0phnU=; b=xhlpEPL/W5c/5DEzUV4zmPYAE8E+pnmSPOQc6bULiPj86nWvNiTIQTq2AI6zrnWz0r cUEt6sfzgBFlnNItCTlC9IxfaIVgr626Ge4To+r4l+NniqZV/cJ2psTnt3t9pVJSpv9+ g4GV7DjwpXQQ4XtnmP/kdIskVZ93BNPyWJ6ac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V7SiIRgVsYM9RBzfkY32iZXULS2R8XztfSuBtgfd4sVZ7/rSOvlgycJEuUrQA0sohL g6CmaD+NJdgD1xoFlwJQGFR9pAXOiERVj1nC+qD1Av4cmqlHMvd5Yu24sQ/+49h2EXqn z8FGdHp7lQhhpBF0NzNVl6/lGaM3U0+KVK+vk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr85871ebd.94.1249615538222; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:25:38 -0600 Message-ID: <64c038660908062025p5b14ab56xeb3abc6ccada8f2e@mail.gmail.com> From: Modulok To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:25:39 -0000 [snip] > Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for > a lifetime. :-) [/snip] It's nice to be able to go on vacation, without worrying about the servers back home craping out :) -Modulok- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 03:26:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0F1065678 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571708FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (really [76.182.207.163]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090807032621278.XLWX18482@cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com>; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:26:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:26:20 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Mel Flynn , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <806ECB2662CDB48E55ACD743@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <200908061829.30618.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <200908061829.30618.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:26:22 -0000 --On August 6, 2009 9:29:30 PM -0500 Mel Flynn wrote: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 15:21:14 Paul Schmehl wrote: >> Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go >> about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an >> upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > > Wait a week I'd say. KDE 4.3.0 has hit the ports tree rather fast to be > in > time for the ports freeze and a lot of stuff is being ironed out. In > fact, > probably the best time is after the ports freeze is over. But I expect > the big > gotchas to be gone in a few days. > -- Thanks, Mel. I'll wait. Will there be instructions in /usr/ports/UPDATING after the freeze? (There's nothing in there now about upgrading.) 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To view it online, please go here: http://www.mailprosx.com/mp/display.php?M=375717&C=a3f0ba90d46aaafb8a32ff1b7f99ccfe&S=847&L=96&N=827 To stop receiving these emails:http://www.mailprosx.com/mp/unsubscribe.php?M=375717&C=a3f0ba90d46aaafb8a32ff1b7f99ccfe&L=96&N=847 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 05:13:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22BA106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1D98FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n775CUxU039083; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:12:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Modulok Message-ID: <20090807051253.GA84152@thought.org> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> <64c038660908062025p5b14ab56xeb3abc6ccada8f2e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <64c038660908062025p5b14ab56xeb3abc6ccada8f2e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:13:03 -0000 On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:25:38PM -0600, Modulok wrote: > [snip] > > Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for > > a lifetime. :-) > [/snip] > > It's nice to be able to go on vacation, without worrying about the > servers back home craping out :) > > -Modulok- Really. Just one reason why I don't travel that far from home:-) Really, tho, since I set up FreeBSD on my HP Kayak, then turned one into my sole server 0.0 crashes in 7 years. The only fret is a power-out. My surge-protector kicks in and protects things. Yeah, there are UPS devs, but it's 3/2 bear getting *that* right.... gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 05:27:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B2F106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from smtp.owt.com (smtp.owt.com [64.146.239.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBC58FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kstewart2.owt.com (kstewart2.owt.com [64.146.237.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.owt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n775R1el014750; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:27:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=owt.com; s=default; t=1249622822; bh=s2OjLRfAnXPXbgL69GheNI+V8XxEAEUfDuaGvPgGUv4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=mR2z1p19JhVQR sC7GEDosiVDJNHFuG6oSpNqOzgJT+XPwds5lB0BEx7QmXmf+9YL7pAyKOc/qJN+kQ4+ FM+y9hh6UQFWklRogusryBMUzSYW2U9KXDlU5x4pppYKzdT26kEeUzXb1bfDsN5PlhH 7INqsFOzyuCgd8zOfS6pRKaw= From: Kent Stewart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:27:00 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908062227.00953.kstewart@owt.com> Cc: Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:04 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 05:53:05 pm Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould > > wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehl > > > > wrote: > >> Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to = go > >> about it? =C2=A0Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? =C2=A0Is= there an > >> upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > >> > >> -- > >> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > > > > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory > > folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. > > > > As always, YMMV. > > I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like > this, and here's the problems I ran into. > > I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from > the former to the latter. There are features that haven't made it to kde4 such as koffice. I added=20 OpenOffice but that can be a long compile. One of my favorite sites crashes= =20 konqueror, which wasn't a problem on kde3. I left my slower machine, which = I=20 use for e-mail, and web browsing running kde3 and play with kde4 on my syst= em=20 that can do a portupgrade -pfR kde4 in 7 hours and build OO in less than 2= =20 hours. It is running kde-4.3 now and it has been recursively rebuilt. The=20 browser crash is still there. I can use the packages of common ports to=20 update the slower machine. They are on a 4-port kvm and it is too easy to=20 simply use the machine that works the best. Kent =2D-=20 Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 05:49:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683EC1065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251DD8FC17 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 05:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n775mkPd039373; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:49:09 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20090807054909.GD84152@thought.org> References: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Andrew Gould , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:49:18 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:37:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: > > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory > > folder. > > Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). > FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) > Absolutely! I don't want to sound like *that* much of a unix-bigot; but here, i guess i am. Isn't the word "directory" part of graphy theory? Or is it just "K&R theory" :-) -g > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 06:18:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315181065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-04.bluehost.com [69.89.21.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F07598FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2009 06:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 06:18:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=lYdykUlnVgRDJuY1gdojiqCr1S35L9epOg5rlAA9lxvReJShPc568yvCBeKCZVhCywsKN8Ktw6Kdx+X4kEOSPpThPVsXWw67VlJ2wiMcMkWtlfBgEagPm5HnVGlRS5I8; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZIn0-00010q-8U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:18:54 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:11:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:11:37 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807061137.GA4290@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090731085553.461f73be.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731114711.49d94196.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731170422.0574fef5.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731221532.ab004d5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731205636.GB44613@kokopelli.hydra> <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:18:55 -0000 --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:27:34AM -0400, Chris Hill wrote: >=20 > Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I gues= s=20 > that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. What version number would you call "some time" ago? I just used Ctrl-Q about six hours or so ago. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Christopher Hitchens: "What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7xZkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWb7QCgspMLkVvYnAMsEA33KEwe2hxr b+0AoPpkAGHLX37iwDqxLpcJs+CVoz+S =U1yj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 06:25:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28AC1065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-23.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-23.bluehost.com [69.89.21.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A081C8FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19490 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2009 06:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 06:25:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=mLJIx2OhVuFvZHCkvYJ6J2mpEQYbo6sLJk5yg23jC9GsG8mR97FWU+kpQ5Oi52HUGfutNFBQ4c37ayLF1XbKkI34P8otfyD8K7mpNYuPGIt1j+2aDE3nF8wsqvflEKhg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZItH-0002M4-OT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:25:24 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:18:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:18:07 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807061807.GB4290@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908031153.22226.w.riegler@cbtl.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:25:25 -0000 --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: > Has anyone tested Arora? I wouldn't recommend Arora as a "lightweight" browser to anyone who isn't already using applications built with the Qt toolkit. If you're a KDE user, it may be a good choice; if you aren't, it spectacularly fails at least one category of "lightweight" qualification, generally speaking. For that reason, I have not given Arora a try myself: I have found nothing compelling enough about any Qt applications to justify installing them and, along with them, the Qt GUI toolkit libraries (and any other KDE libraries the app in question might pull in). Your mileage, of course, may vary. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out." --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7xx8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVaJwCghkBvF5ltKcouJcYip5ED0dKl htAAoOaV3giyiPZJzUzExcrEcHLFTqpS =LPMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 06:28:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DE5106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713A38FC27 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RJUc1c0031swQuc52JUcl6; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:28:36 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by OMTA15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RJXt1c0011f6R9u3bJXtZr; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:31:55 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:28:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:28:33 -0700 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807062833.GA75338@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090807023726.804e0b17.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807054909.GD84152@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090807054909.GD84152@thought.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:28:37 -0000 On Thu 06 Aug 2009 at 22:49:09 PDT Gary Kline wrote: >On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:37:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: >> > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory >> > folder. >> >> Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). >> FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) >> > > > Absolutely! I don't want to sound like *that* much of a unix-bigot; but > here, i guess i am. Isn't the word "directory" part of graphy > theory? Or is it just "K&R theory" :-) I'd always assumed it was a term borrowed from the telephone system that was Bell Labs main concern. The list mapping names to telephone numbers (or vice versa) was called a directory, as in "directory assistance". In Unix, the names are filenames and the numbers are inodes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 06:42:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032911065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2978FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n776g9bj039881; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:42:33 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "b. f." Message-ID: <20090807064233.GC84268@thought.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:42:39 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:37:46PM +0000, b. f. wrote: > Roland Smith wrote: > >What you can do is make a list of all installed ports with ports-mgmt/portmaster: > > portmaster -L >ports.list > > > >Looking through this list, you'll see four categories; > >- Root ports (No dependencies, not depended on) > >- Trunk ports (No dependencies, are depended on) > >- Branch ports (Have dependencies, are depended on) > >- Leaf ports (Have dependencies, not depended on) > > > >Basically, you can delete any of the leaf and root ports, because > >they're not depended on. E.g. if you have the following in your list as > >a leaf port: > > ===>>> qemu-0.10.6 > >you can execute 'pkg_delete -d qemu-0.10.6' as root, and it is gone. > > If you're only interested in deletion, "-l" should be preferred to > "-L". And portmaster with these flags does not always account for > build dependencies. so with this method you may occasionally remove a > port that is only used to build other ports, but is not a runtime > dependency of any other port. Also, occasionally a port Makefile > doesn't properly account for some dependencies, and removing them will > break the port. So there may be some breakages that you'll have to > fix, but this shouldn't happen often. > > When removing ports, I sometimes use pkg_deinstall -vR, sometimes also > with -i. because it can clean out the now-unneeded dependencies of > the port I'm removing, which speeds up this process. Provided your > pkgdb and portsdb are up-to-date, it's a little better than portmaster > -s, which relies on +REQUIRED_BY to detect stale dependencies, and may > occasionally fail. > > b. Hmm. here is the output from df: ~ Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 507630 363386 103634 78% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/ad0s1e 507630 107700 359320 23% /tmp /dev/ad0s1f 32816996 24508992 5682646 81% /usr /dev/ad0s1d 2007598 862818 984174 47% /var linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc Since this box was a give and top qual, a Dell running a 2.4GHz, no complaints. I asked and the gifter installed two optical drives and a new secondary hard drive. '07, i think. so do i really have > 300G? the thing i don't understand is: *what* could be using up 80% of /usr? For as much as I use things-gui, i like both KDE and Gnome. Hate to have all them electrons weighing things down with, say, koffice, when i don't use it. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 06:43:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B2010656CA for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ltcddats@nildram.co.uk) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797828FC1B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:43:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Trace: 129425369/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.226.102/None/ltcddats@nildram.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.226.102 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ltcddats@nildram.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcCAINje0o+A+Jm/2dsb2JhbACZRbYthBYFgUyCUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,339,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="129425369" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from davids-website.com (HELO www.davids-website.com) ([62.3.226.102]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 07:15:04 +0100 Received: from davids-website.com (farscape [10.0.0.1]) by www.davids-website.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FC12281C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:15:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:15:07 +0100 From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807071507.4c3a9364@davids-website.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:43:59 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500 Andrew Gould wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul > Schmehl wrote: > > Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way > > to go about it? =A0Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? =A0Is > > there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > > > > -- > > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > > >=20 > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory > folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. >=20 > As always, YMMV. >=20 > Best of luck, >=20 > Andrew Be careful, I had to remove KDE4 and rebuild KDE3 after a KDE4 update screwed over KDE3. Ultimately that got me to move over to Xfce4 as I do not like KDE4 at all.=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 07:00:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D701065675 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:00:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-138.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-138.bluehost.com [67.222.39.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D89948FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17672 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 2009 07:00:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 07:00:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=QWexAx7nXkNWyr+z2K0+d/nBRCs7PDMapPKLPG8F0AGqGx4cARwprmgujZtyAYnN7Ta0FNCAr/Ye+J9m0M2RjrJyUM1zll8u4BuCH+ZjCVArnXU8cF9BsaA1BlhnEWdZ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZJR1-0003M6-4I; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:00:15 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:52:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:52:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807065254.GD4290@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mel Flynn , Ilya Shpan'kov References: <200908050743.05363.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090806014605.GA98688@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Ilya Shpan'kov Subject: Re: Opera in your repos X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:18 -0000 --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:46:05AM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: >=20 > BSD=3DBerkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix That's not the same as saying that FreeBSD is a "distribution". FreeBSD is not called "a BSD of Unix", after all. It's a "BSD Unix system" or "BSD Unix OS", or simply a "BSD Unix". The difference is that "BSD" refers to the point of origin in this case, and the ancestral codebase, and the license. A "Linux distribution" is Linux, bundled up with other software, to produce a OS package for distribution. A "BSD Unix" system, on the other hand, is a Unix system of the BSD tradition. The term BSD originally referred to the fact that a set of software was distributed together under the auspices of UC Berkeley. Since FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are not distributed by UC Berkeley's Computer Systems Research Group any longer, the term "BSD" now just refers a family relation of sorts, and is a term of tradition rather than a literal statement about the nature of the software's character in some way. One might say it's a "software distribution package", of course, but in colloquial usage, the abbreviated "distro" or "distribution" without any more specific reference to the context of the term has a meaning particular to the Linux-based operating system distribution model, where there's a core component common across many operating system variants and those variations are known as "distributions" of the common core. When the term "distribution" is used without more specific context, it is generally understood to mean "a particular variant software bundle among many such options built around a common core component that, altogether, makes a unique operating system". FreeBSD, however, is not such a thing at all. It is a complete operating system developed as a whole. =2E . . so while there may be *some* sense of truth in your explanation for why it's "a distribution", I don't think that's really a meaningful definition for purposes of enabling clear communication about the nature of the FreeBSD OS and its development project, and I sympathize with those who say "It's an operating system, not a distro." DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, on the other hand . . . I've been far too pedantic for one email on such an inconsequential subject. I'll stop now. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp7z0YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWFhACeN9E9mRhYbtqcpGyD3mZvAHEl zsEAnR8Qill1B/QlTxirtWAks7bi67FN =q4RV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 09:00:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B60106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8E28FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1432403ewy.43 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:00:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PYHvZl6sF3914uTDE1s5UqycW0bDe1HeSsfs87kvEUs=; b=YkZ91Lri+nIMD5Xhr/GMfvmpcf+bjdUdQE0t6vqe0SCt/vRbwnLID24buvcDFibvdC INn3keBVR2IuwVNB9W/s/T7rjg8KL053VvpmD8tcirUvHyAJOP8QnOCA2BavyOGRgml5 DojIO+u7jVJabnmtCs3elQ985fIiodmiwaqDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ecl2Gg3QrIhZQB6f7USxLrmxW6gWkwkAbg19Cl+9gQRAb1F/dA7z2CGxohSMFXnYPS 0VrqzgIZet9t8Qnx3A+UcKdR5SLwOWM3dq+8XyF4XNNtFLtyaO1+h8l2Er62kCx3FRTS P8vjlKQf9s6tG/bh+Q8jcjcpEyPqN6/D9GOG8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.70.205 with SMTP id p55mr186233wed.55.1249635646888; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:00:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807064233.GC84268@thought.org> References: <20090807064233.GC84268@thought.org> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: not dead [yet]. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:00:48 -0000 On 8/7/09, Gary Kline wrote: > > Hmm. here is the output from df: > > ~ > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad0s1a 507630 363386 103634 78% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ad0s1e 507630 107700 359320 23% /tmp > /dev/ad0s1f 32816996 24508992 5682646 81% /usr > /dev/ad0s1d 2007598 862818 984174 47% /var > linprocfs 4 4 0 100% /usr/compat/linux/proc > > Since this box was a give and top qual, a Dell running a 2.4GHz, no > complaints. > I asked and the gifter installed two optical drives and a new secondary hard > drive. > > '07, i think. so do i really have > 300G? the thing i don't understand is: > *what* > could be using up 80% of /usr? > > For as much as I use things-gui, i like both KDE and Gnome. Hate to have > all them > electrons weighing things down with, say, koffice, when i don't use it. > > gary > I must have missed something in this thread. Last time I looked, we were talking about port deletions. At a glance, it looks like you have about 35Gb -- the df output says that those are 1kb blocks. It also looks like /usr/local is not a separate mountpoint, so both the base system software in /usr and the third-party software in /usr/local are counting towards the roughly 23Gb used in /usr. (But why ask us? Just run du(1) or something, and find out.) I have older hardware, so I use the CLI as much as I can, and favor lightweight programs, only using a few components of Gnome. If you feel overburdened, consider dropping one of the desktops, or using a lightweight alternative like Xfce. Or do like I do and just use a lightweight windows manager, not a full desktop, and cherrypick a few pieces of software from the full desktops. This person was giving you a computer for free, and you somehow managed to get them to install new, extra drives before they handed it over?! Tell them I need one, too. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 10:52:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5603F106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C1E8FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n77AsvjW056888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:55:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:51:56 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Identry References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:52:52 -0000 Identry wrote: >> Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 >> and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from >> that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its >> probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your >> data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC >> kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels >> directory.) > > Okay! Good news, I think. I used the 'fixit' mode, that is available > through the installation disk, to mount the disk that fails to mount > during boot up. > > What I did was: > > mount /dev/mfid0s1a /test > > It mounts successfully and I can see everything in that partition. > > So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why > doesn't it mount during the boot process? > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or twice), also has anything changed with the server (updates etc etc) for example why was it rebooted? I seem to recall a verbose boot mode in the boot menu. does that give any hints beyond the freeze you see when you try and boot? Are you using the GENERIC kernel, if not have you tried it? Vince > -- John > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 11:21:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EF3106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D00F8FC22 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marge.bs.l (e180016132.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.16.132]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt2u-1MZNVr0RWp-000dAz; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:21:31 +0200 Received: from bsch by marge.bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZNVq-00049f-Jp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:21:30 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:21:30 +0200 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807112130.GA15761@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> <20090806204621.GA27902@marge.bs.l> <200908061537.34431.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200908061537.34431.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MNZ41z+ncL3IiM9kkstBnERwh0L+mE5y46bR H5LO5Xq4dsFMWfE6VUEgfvnaEx1Ew3gQ6/rBpDEikx4adPTaib mqqk+XIsM0AKstKEAtB5rZQH0CfB3vlVwbihx5n6To= Subject: Re: Mouse still crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:21:33 -0000 Hi, Am Donnerstag, 06. Aug 2009, 15:37:34 -0800 schrieb Mel Flynn: > On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:46:21 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > You might get some help on freebsd-x11 list. As I mentioned twice I manage to reproduce the problem just calling "dd". It is definitely not an X11 issue. I really made great effort on pointing this out. This is very disappointing. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 11:42:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCBB106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF29C8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n77BfiVU040624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:41:44 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n77BgWKF034276; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:42:32 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:42:32 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200908071142.n77BgWKF034276@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Subject: Cleaning email X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:42:39 -0000 Hi, reading around the FAQ for FreeBSD mailing list, I see that the mailing list server does some message cleaning (converting HTML to text, etc). >From reading the list, it does a very good job and I would not mind using the same facility for my own mail if only I knew what is being used. I don't want just any solution, that works more or less, but the very well tested solution used by FreeBSD mailing lists. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 11:47:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D23A1065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E211A8FC2E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n77BkkIT041228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:46:46 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n77BlVom034358; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:47:31 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:47:31 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200908071147.n77BlVom034358@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk In-reply-to: <4A65947B.1070905@infracaninophile.co.uk> (message from Matthew Seaman on Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:12:11 +0100) References: <200907210458.n6L4wtYC018412@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <4A65947B.1070905@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail to duplicate messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:47:36 -0000 Hi, With some delay... Thanks Matthew, > > What rule, in what file should I set-up to have my mail sendmail mail > > server duplicate all messages to another mail server? > >=20 > > I am in the proces sof setting-up a new mail server; in the meantime I > > want all messages arriving to my current mail server under sendmail to > > be duplicated to the new mail server (under postfix, for all it > > matters); so the mailboxes are keept in sync. > >=20 > > How can I do that with sendmail? > > I believe you should be able to do this with virtusertable. You will nee= > d to > configure the new machine to accept e-mail using a distinct domain so the= > old > server can route e-mail to it, and the new server would need to accept y= > our > actual domain name for delivery too. > > Then you need is a /etc/mail/virtusertable file with contents like so: > > @your-domain.com %@new.your-domain.com > @your-domain.com % I have tried that but virtusertable is a hash table, so it can only have one line of the form @your-domain.com. > Alternately, if your back-end mail store is using IMAP, then you can use > imapsync (ports: mail/imapsync) to duplicate mail account contents from t= > he > old server to the new one. I was looking at that solution too, but it needs the passwords of the users. I ended up with mb2md (/usr/ports/mail/mb2md) that I slightly modified to fix the mode of the files created and to have a filename that suits me more. And I iterate that script on my users list. As I have only 200 users and about 4 GB of mail, it takes only 10 minutes, quite acceptable time. bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 12:15:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DEE1065673 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7A28FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 08:15:22 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id QBY25285; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 08:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7C1AD3.5060503@rcn.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:15:15 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090731085553.461f73be.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731114711.49d94196.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731170422.0574fef5.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731221532.ab004d5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731205636.GB44613@kokopelli.hydra> <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807061137.GA4290@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20090807061137.GA4290@kokopelli.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:15:23 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: >> Firefox has not had Ctrl-Q for some time. Try Alt-F followed by Q. I guess >> that's 2.5 keystrokes, but at least it's keystrokes. > > What version number would you call "some time" ago? I just used Ctrl-Q > about six hours or so ago. The FreeBSD machine with Firefox is down but here on Windows, using a stock 3.0.13, Ctl-Q has no effect. Nor is it listed as a shortcut for "Exit" under the [File] menu. Have you perhaps customized yours? Now doing Ctl-W on the last window will close the program, but I like to keep the two separate; this is one (C list) reason I usually use SeaMonkey. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 12:42:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC63106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kalle.moller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B68D8FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so1437236qyk.3 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=q7AV3aBfYyGEG5+nJigQSMrcUPDhTlTqmcfKjOiKtjA=; b=UU1FiR8UvNfRzqSXp11lr4AjdfsSfevrSGQIIqy/oeohK9Qa24v3mVAz5/H/M0DcrT w0JTEfMKTc0/k+wj0UXojDPqLSvRGku+Zt7G+5/TWYxhMiJl6RhWrojn8PBxsu0l0tjw mdiohppoLouWffHS4cZrsCCsWVLvxZAfW73JE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=dIbURfAsw+3gVGf0LJvc5DGuN2kYv67HtFKOOwC/K5ilczE+yIcty41rwMUgBI9mR2 N2FTbe8z/Bm4pqg4W7trFH5sk5FR9jBodBxtqMTNFhPPPfznPnzt6tq1U5o8nU3LhUM7 0VdUfoFLXzPf9Baj+fpzPcgtpPPdKNXxU7FiQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kalle.moller@gmail.com Received: by 10.224.46.2 with SMTP id h2mr967356qaf.294.1249648934479; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7B168C.5090900@unsane.co.uk> References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B168C.5090900@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:42:14 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e6793e4740ae5b44 Message-ID: <8250ac3f0908070542x7b86a0d4n37373fb39663375@mail.gmail.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kalle_M=F8ller?= To: Vincent Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:42:15 -0000 That would be neat :) And I think your correct about the dirrmtry .. since the auto could contain shared files But I don't know about the rest On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > > Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it > > seemd to be a list of the files used ?? > > > Pretty much, the porters handbook has a decent section on it if your > interested. Any installed files except man pages and documentation > (which are specified in the makefile) should be listed as far as i can > tell. Have a read at > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/porting-desc.html#AE= N100 > and > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/plist.html > > I think this is a simple one, if no one else does then I'll try and look > at it tomorrow. > > my guess is that > %%WITH_PERL%%@dirrm %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto > should be > %%WITH_PERL%%@dirrmtry %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto > and possibly > lib/perl5/5.8.9/mach/perllocal.pod > (or the appropriate variables in place of a static path) > need to be added. > > Vince > > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mel Flynn < > > mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > >> > >>> make WITH_PERL=3D"YES" > >>> > >>> But it returns that it is broken ? > >>> > >>> flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. > >>> > >>> Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl pa= rt > >> to > >>> get some of the other tools to work :S > >>> > >>> Anything I can do to get this not broken ... > >> You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). > >> -- > >> Mel > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > > > > --=20 Med Venlig Hilsen Kalle R. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:56:03 -0000 hi, while upgrading firefox 3.0.11-1, this error appeared to me: ---> Upgrading 'firefox-3.0.11,1' to 'firefox-3.0.13,1' (www/firefox3) ---> Building '/usr/ports/www/firefox3' ===> Cleaning for firefox-3.0.13,1 ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20090807-17357-4m6e3h-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=firefox-3.0.11,1 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=3.0.11,1 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! www/firefox3 (firefox-3.0.11,1) (unknown build error) any ideas ? I updated my port tree by cvsup From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 13:23:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DF3106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EF18FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1561171ewy.43 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zST4vq0G/W1H44AieHuxjmAaVS1VbbKD0doG/7E+mdo=; b=OULG8G4nWZjBQMn6Kj5wg+TVtG7bj/HUOnj4O577AAArzusqfl2JXfv8YY4vy04lyu ZrRgC2NsHipcxQQNWPYF3+t0ceNItUaMr1xKYOuLfp3BKFijftdN2UHysNwx2uSuRckK i68IkJ4A1di7MbUMmypxM03KF5rpyGYdQEgtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bRlcskeGYYcGqWQLCdUjEzm7ibWGTvL5cQ0YpUSE/LeWZWAhtOT9IQjuvKweM9g7YO U3zoBAzCDF/B9ywRQlwiqJtDDoj6tJqeGusmY6PHiIpY/a15YR7h1rOjAGVMBHrJkk4k HrcX9slynW8ZtwFz3cIV6cXVU0FSq2Nei5q/U= Received: by 10.210.10.11 with SMTP id 11mr1405255ebj.37.1249651404235; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2896242eyg.5.2009.08.07.06.23.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:23:20 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> References: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:23:26 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 Gary Kline wrote: i'd be interested in Paul's question. it may be that kde3 > is sopping up waaaay to much disc space. only have 6.5g > left.... KDE4 makes KDE3 look like Fluxbox. I can't remember the exact figures on /usr, but I maintain my ccache by timestamp, and it rose from 3.2GB to 7.9GB after adding KDE4. And that 3.2GB figure included kde3 (including KOffice), xfce, fluxbox, windowmaker, icewm and numerous gui and server applications. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 13:32:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A453A106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djuatdelta@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE328FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1566887ewy.43 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cXJmVcHYPM+bbQ298EuIyDmPlZHaLNu5UCeg8Rp8+jA=; b=FcZUjUWlBTxBSAlvymkn/VBHBXWA3t8C4hGN93x3cS1ucY0q5u4BCToaaEKTW0ybzC VHbRIojcohjs0YyNyXZweQ80dtDae7pT0BdWXKBufzFr7AObpWkbUuT3brR9Yk7rlJHk 1x93abm+j7R2s+mfPEIkHLhV2nU2dLwfI4QDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dNfxM8/6XGFjdzpy2ncpY5K8E5X3X9YUI5QDB4zc/Xx84kMKKIRS/cRt0tFhIM4fVL 1NFQJFfYPsr5P0hRCpbmmN5KFMKgVvQh13vERCBBKgg+W6aLqWN6G1BH98MkruhnAUIl WPZsparQ5o2wH8NA/RoljOpQkzrl5W3eOTVW0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.8.78 with SMTP id 56mr224787weq.210.1249651958938; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7C1AD3.5060503@rcn.com> References: <20090731085553.461f73be.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731114711.49d94196.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731170422.0574fef5.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731221532.ab004d5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731205636.GB44613@kokopelli.hydra> <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807061137.GA4290@kokopelli.hydra> <4A7C1AD3.5060503@rcn.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Daniel Underwood To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:32:41 -0000 I'd really love to see chromium ported over. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:08:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F761065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339E18FC26 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1437851bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GmV6k5dzqcVuaUWVS8GiUWySUVD2R0iYGuPfLCrWB2Y=; b=C8HEv6ACexCeL7BsBnykV+tmu+zcUpkxO4UEf9FfkTC4P4Dk2J60ZB0cRgKyN2uEjR BpMYvmCu4sZtyfwHk30YVpYUnOud/aPKtQyA9ZnAhtFYT0oMl//9if3HMffP/NTZSX9A ysF5WJXIkgTKpgwWqYLra5BLAw4dbAwBBDP1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bB30vSGk4VtUIDkoT9LepxiV2edEWKYTrIrqVMu2tVihQ9xlhke7ApDDiB4XcIwFFe 1jt6KRybb+XtUWToFwwT9i9MSIjyQ9G839cerIUlMUyo3CLvWyIbWuRVxxj3qm0TcNqV 5fmnyWilxOhgTIzhJqKpPbk46OXk6BclV22HM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.115.135 with SMTP id i7mr3187284bkq.178.1249654124891; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:08:44 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cb7c1d0b0287bbad Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:08:47 -0000 > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or > twice), I was afraid to run fsck before backing up everything I might possibly need, so I spent most of last night mounting all the partitions and backing up things. I was able to manually mount all the partitions and all the data seemed fin= e. At this point, I'm ready to risk an fsck or pretty much anything. > also has anything changed with the server (updates etc etc) for > example why was it rebooted? Because of a stupid mistake on my part. I was trying to add an address to the NIC card, and rather than *add* the address to a long list of addresses (used for https websites), I made that the only address. I was only experimenting, so the file in /etc that I use to set up the addresses (using ifconfig) was unchanged. I figured a quick reboot would solve the problem, so I logged in via the console and did a clean shutdown. When I turned the machine back on, it would not boot. =A0I seem to recall a verbose boot mode in the > boot menu. does that give any hints beyond the freeze you see when you > try and boot? It prints one line, which I cannot recall, unfortunately. > Are you using the GENERIC kernel I don't know. This is the oldest freebsd machine that I run. I didn't install the OS, myself. It's a 6.2 machine that had been running in production mode without any updates for over a year when I took it over. I am embarrassed to say I never had the nerve to do any updates on it, either, because when I started on it, I didn't know enough about FreeBSD to risk the 40 websites that were running on it. I've been meaning to update it for awhile, but it is locked down tight with PF and has had zero problems up until now. Famous last words... > if not have you tried it? No. I need to figure out how to do that, and I didn't have enough brain power last night after doing all those backups. After sleeping on it, I am wondering if I can kill two birds with one stone... by using 7.2 install CDs to upgrade the machine? I believe there is an 'upgrade' option on the install menu (I'm burning some 7.2 CDs right now to double check.) Or would it be safer to try to bring up the machine on it's own with a 6.2 generic kernel, first? -- John --=20 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Identry, LLC Northport, NY 11768 Phone: (631) 754-8440 Fax: (631) 980-4262 Email: jalmberg@identry.com Member: ABA, ANA, ASDA, APS, ESA, The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email,=09 Long Island Web Developer's Guild. Visit us on the web at www.identry.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> BUILDING YOU A BETTER ONLINE BUSINESS <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:12:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945601065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245AF8FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1655320fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vjO9mea623Bq660f7s9Vbjc1E02bsIFh57dBI+3U7ro=; b=OCKL0cCUByZJD+sx3nYy1Qpx4c5bmSIMFffqaA2m2bxPjYS4lQNUMOJ9cciZQ38Ram XcG+zq8eHXyvRKr2KP6Oluv2CQTQinKyhn88c/3Pm/S6QtBrwUgs1Vgy9JLhBmA0O7rC ftX/YTwiTGyLYr152cZIWMwpvA6cHWpB2oJNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SK4zvwJdSOp4/jyM0IZk/dcLBmENVP5ISjeV+nPgQIHJU/6Yx/IulKQjG7gD3c9CD6 jD2mLdDGfv3GLqaYbOPeAqOOYc2dsTRDUXCwu1PpacocyxDc4epP28IFEYhAlRRa1sp+ HfdM6rEPP1a+Tlvzja+JYW44G4x3tCCjIVNTA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.121.208 with SMTP id i16mr342882far.32.1249654323166; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:12:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:12:04 -0000 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:23 AM, RW wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 > Gary Kline wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0i'd be interested in Paul's question. =A0it may be that kd= e3 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 is sopping up waaaay to much disc space. =A0only have 6.5g >> =A0 =A0 =A0 left.... > > KDE4 makes =A0KDE3 look like Fluxbox. > > I can't remember =A0the exact figures on /usr, but I maintain my ccache > by timestamp, and it rose from 3.2GB to 7.9GB after adding KDE4. And > that 3.2GB figure included kde3 (including KOffice), xfce, fluxbox, > windowmaker, icewm and numerous gui and server applications. > > Is there an increase in usability/benefit to match the increase in resource consumption? (Please forgive me - I know that's a horribly subjective question.) Thanks, Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:12:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACFC106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C4A8FC0A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isis.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.63]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZQAq-00066w-Cq; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:12:06 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by isis.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MZQAp-0006Yv-9P; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:11:59 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n77EBwro014710; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:11:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n77EBwfO014709; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:11:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:11:58 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Daniel Underwood Message-ID: <20090807141158.GA14688@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20090731085553.461f73be.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731114711.49d94196.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731170422.0574fef5.cyb.@gmx.net> <20090731221532.ab004d5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090731205636.GB44613@kokopelli.hydra> <20090731231007.feec5a75.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807061137.GA4290@kokopelli.hydra> <4A7C1AD3.5060503@rcn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: - Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:12:08 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:32:38AM -0400, Daniel Underwood wrote: > I'd really love to see chromium ported over. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I'm using kazehakase with xulrunner. As far as I know, the only full featured browser to run on ia64. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:16:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0112A106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C44C8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1596327ewy.43 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yFo6T7HMBF9OOfb8J11olV7ebt4wYEl58jupdioQ8Do=; b=FHk9aiUfxrQ6KAu8+YCikaWT16ShwZ4RKRzWg7VQC5msRLw78tWGyYLX1Qky+b1xBu p2UHgZLCYubsYYTWYo73UU8QitYE9MoQsqLsLttFn5gYiH22oEB0nP9+hksftoggGu1H DT9BmR8Qn0FvWT2jELlZRAWO/XWknx8fku1/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ckkC5fb+P38lm/yLFXNz4uuSBp5R2EwwqeJz1sqE0rKEEhNzgnUGhgyxBHOJqcLWEv lTIo/b08WweOMyGEzGL+o/NQjs55Zh1Xzkc7luwqDJjMeU/ZLNX/HN9k/i7g1809w+Mg kw4sGWRmryCTEcDz+fPSNI8hJcr2jKRSD+WAY= Received: by 10.210.36.10 with SMTP id j10mr1482674ebj.21.1249654574260; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3008028eyh.46.2009.08.07.07.16.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:16:11 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807151611.33e56cf6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:16:16 -0000 On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:53:05 -0500 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould > wrote: > > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own > > directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. > > > > As always, YMMV. > > I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded > like this, and here's the problems I ran into. > > I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate > from the former to the latter. There was some speculation that stability problems are exacerbated by having both versions, so it's sensible to remove kde3. AFAIK there is no automatic migration, it's like installing a different desktop. I know you can copy wallet files across, and you can probably carry some other data over, but for the most part it isn't worth it. I'd suggest you back-up or rename your .kde and .kderc to keep them safe. KDE4 is very much the "new coke" of desktops. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:30:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC4E1065672 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3018FC0A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so438178eyd.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=La19exEVC3EhR2rvbObXP38BDmS8cYPW8HG3oayncDM=; b=gfmkD9T/VxKw09M5CIXCBaGrM7xQW9GgcIsqLAStQpT7JS50jPM8Z8Jme+Goiko932 obTVvNyDMfIsGxKWxm7MJRnFqDREDq0rUJOgN8pw1/kL9HMRXSmxwogOHwm/ef9ClFSz jEZOcMwIKDRtK5Ostw6n18LUqmLCqgqGah6Yk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nqmeAv97i+QiRGS4qElmTxx4aI8cjRv9jsvOGPE2Pgb5tjhPYOzX05k2TzFz9pcwDp FcEp2Tagb65w3RaCZ8T08QdO1ZsNcgr8g4dqfrKwJjYqnj2eNsMDRcMzUkbdUrfKg/uq 7J72SgdyIKzpBzH59QTJVirucNO7HPXoP74FQ= Received: by 10.210.82.18 with SMTP id f18mr1478747ebb.38.1249655405768; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3058053eyg.45.2009.08.07.07.30.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:30:00 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807153000.2a213909@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:30:08 -0000 On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:12:03 -0500 Andrew Gould wrote: > Is there an increase in usability/benefit to match the increase in > resource consumption? (Please forgive me - I know that's a horribly > subjective question.) IMO it's less usable in terms of ergonomics, and they are still talking about catching-up with kde3 in terms of features and configurability. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:31:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD2810656A7 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E408FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1451553bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:31:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z6tCwfaNFhatxQqbz/hw7o9Kr8BubXAUJPvDNNHBD2Y=; b=SlHhYjfVg0go8CEDBj8gEdo+Ufw6KrDOROfDjnQNmyTflp65iChsDcGeY3jkUZWEeB A1dZTWlt7dq7bB4qOYhuHcfH6Ob3yoyOPwRx5dEbjSxhmAQxWfape5t0MoK6cNzUxh9H 3UlFnBarsgiUebG8kvNMixmY83M15RSz/3K/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ShM+fKDYXwHW8LSWmR62psroG0U3Khxv01WGxYHMlCeiw/hOaDA9uff6CxoPUbUtgo KBoSONzNuwCehaSkSX8ljxVDJIIel+8cZvXl8pNfL11jljSJLPJNIHn6csi/aOLsQoRQ frr2aS5N2cF3vTBFZ0J2EzNTRRnRE3qefFodM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.97.136 with SMTP id l8mr2098991bkn.181.1249655462956; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:31:01 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2797ad9e48f2c0c2 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Vincent Hoffman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:31:05 -0000 >Are you using the GENERIC kernel After more research, I think the answer to this is no. There is a directory called /boot/kernel.old. From my reading, I believe this is the original generic kernel? > if not have you tried it? Not yet. Section "24.2.3 Major and Minor Upgrades" of the Handbook says I can load the generic kernel by renaming /boot/kernel.old to /boot/GENERIC. I think this is what I need to do to boot the generic kernel? ------------------ If the system was running with a custom kernel, use the nextboot(8) command to set the kernel for the next boot to /boot/GENERIC (which was updated): # nextboot -k GENERIC Warning: Before rebooting with the GENERIC kernel, make sure it contains all drivers required for your system to boot properly (and connect to the network, if the machine that is being updated is accessed remotely). In particular, if the previously running custom kernel contained built-in functionality usually provided by kernel modules, make sure to temporarily load these modules into the GENERIC kernel using the /boot/loader.conf facility. You may also wish to disable non-essential services, disk and network mounts, etc. until the upgrade process is complete. The machine should now be restarted with the updated kernel: # shutdown -r now ------------------- So, it sounds like the safe move is to try to get the Generic kernel up and running, and then think about doing an upgrade. Unfortunately, I need to drive back to the server... another 2 hr commute. Gotta find a closer data center :-) Thanks: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:37:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624CC106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAF08FC19 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1455325bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=m+ECEC2Y4LgBoNQDtiIRImMUGsUwc7Vm40KWzfy89kY=; b=bRzG6Cny996jFMMHs3kQyOdlFDez2vvqEatNkG68w7j2Dcy4agjfEdni6aibm4dA4+ AwIGYvOhYL24lJmJ1JNIAVy+YWU4ZALwm2e2agaV6PSKBMdvW8Menz1KbhsVBfbbVkl6 abTJtlcp8nrjgFkL9rLjINym6wCLLVNivxdLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=wa9Na/AHGkyyqzS3Lfd2qEFEM0KkUVonqxZEVmi1j0Ew3fxCADT0yaubyoDxfG5ZXf Hg9zCVcAoGseC54HbPb7977czFF71a/GYQ7gBWh8RgtviLfuSmfKyAbwyjX/Ru66ktL9 tLwAJXt+spUA707UJLbrpYj5zTRWT9pTnPsYU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.58.208 with SMTP id i16mr3266062bkh.63.1249655828308; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:36:48 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400908070736n626b7b26v8436f9f5e70c7526@mail.gmail.com> To: Identry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:37:10 -0000 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Identry wrote: > > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or > > twice), > > I was afraid to run fsck before backing up everything I might possibly > need, so I spent most of last night mounting all the partitions and > backing up things. > > I was able to manually mount all the partitions and all the data seemed > fine. > > At this point, I'm ready to risk an fsck or pretty much anything. > > > also has anything changed with the server (updates etc etc) for > > example why was it rebooted? > > Because of a stupid mistake on my part. I was trying to add an address > to the NIC card, and rather than *add* the address to a long list of > addresses (used for https websites), I made that the only address. I > was only experimenting, so the file in /etc that I use to set up the > addresses (using ifconfig) was unchanged. I figured a quick reboot > would solve the problem, so I logged in via the console and did a > clean shutdown. When I turned the machine back on, it would not boot. > > I seem to recall a verbose boot mode in the > > boot menu. does that give any hints beyond the freeze you see when you > > try and boot? > > It prints one line, which I cannot recall, unfortunately. > > > Are you using the GENERIC kernel > > I don't know. This is the oldest freebsd machine that I run. I didn't > install the OS, myself. It's a 6.2 machine that had been running in > production mode without any updates for over a year when I took it > over. I am embarrassed to say I never had the nerve to do any updates > on it, either, because when I started on it, I didn't know enough > about FreeBSD to risk the 40 websites that were running on it. > > I've been meaning to update it for awhile, but it is locked down tight > with PF and has had zero problems up until now. Famous last words... > > > if not have you tried it? > > No. I need to figure out how to do that, and I didn't have enough > brain power last night after doing all those backups. Boot to single user mode and just run: fsck -y You don't need any special options the first time. fsck should tell you if there are further problems. > > After sleeping on it, I am wondering if I can kill two birds with one > stone... by using 7.2 install CDs to upgrade the machine? I believe > there is an 'upgrade' option on the install menu (I'm burning some 7.2 > CDs right now to double check.) > > Or would it be safer to try to bring up the machine on it's own with a > 6.2 generic kernel, first? Please don't even think of doing that! You might go mad with the several issues you may end up facing. And upgrading a production system from an install CD is something that I will never do. I always use csup/cvsup, but perhaps you can also use freebsd-update. I advise you get to fix the problem at hand before thinking of updating. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:41:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A65D1065672 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 325838FC1D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 740 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 14:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.166) with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 14:41:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 07:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How is time zone change signalled? Thread-Index: AcoXbRuwoFKK8KrLTueowaMgccAAdg== From: "Peter Steele" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How is time zone change signalled? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:41:13 -0000 We have a suite of applications with a Java GUI controlling everything. One of the actions the user can perform is to set the time zone. We do this through our Java application and update the /etc/localtime as required. We also make an API call to tell the JVM that the time zone as changed, and from the perspective of the Java app, the time zone is changed correctly (the timestamps for example in our log files reflect the change). Likewise, after the user performs this action, running "date" on one of our systems shows that the time zone has been changed as requested.=20 =20 The problem is with our C applications. They continue to operate with the old time zone, so things like timestamps in log files are not in sync with the timestamps in the Java app log files. If we stop and restart the C apps they pick up the time zone change. However, we don't want to take this extreme approach. We want the Java app to signal to the C applications that the time zone has changed. However, I've experimented with the various time zone related calls and I cannot figure out what call is needed to make the C applications pick up the time zone change. I've tried setting the environment variable TZ to the new time zone and this doesn't seem to work, and I've tried calling tzset() and tzsetwall(). In each case after I make these calls the function "localtime()" does not return the same time base as the Java application. =20 I'm obviously missing something the key here. What function call do I need to make to get the C apps to pick up the time zone change? =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:43:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1570F106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6BD8FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D576B36A25; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:43:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:43:49 +0200 From: cpghost To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807144348.GA2419@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:43:54 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:31:01AM -0400, Identry wrote: > >Are you using the GENERIC kernel > > After more research, I think the answer to this is no. There is a > directory called /boot/kernel.old. From my reading, I believe this is > the original generic kernel? Try this: # strings /boot/kernel/kernel | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' # strings /boot/kernel.old/kernel | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:46:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F66106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11118FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1676636fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:46:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=QJ4oBG4OuQe4pV9G5879qWaW+GO1NkcpV55nrzCRwBc=; b=bmAEcKkXbi42gBfGSWb4Po5oppcepuBhUR26JMLG1g30sHi0QIBavAzzKe2jWpOave oOiSS4YIcXYT6wN4T0V93xJR38d0uLRr7JxtppmF05RaXdjVcPO7llR4sbNpT2B8+HWS QWspltixOMCQ0mSNN+tCB5iofPluhfPnWyD8k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=eyovSYetck4/Xbbyk5AqcWTEEVTDDdvrUQasCBjPjHkwEPTQQvjs25AKnevu5itZJa +m4WnyGoVvHAE6D8PNwbR2h6Hn0VMuOu92pqGa0hDa0CoDt87DohzC6i0/2gw+Ol3nlw TJgtddcdaMBUNp/SfkBKcIFbBMc/hz+AE+ASI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.138 with SMTP id i10mr3325515bkg.0.1249656383369; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:46:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:46:03 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400908070746t7f9ed6ddy77450aec98885618@mail.gmail.com> To: Identry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:46:25 -0000 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Identry wrote: > >Are you using the GENERIC kernel > > After more research, I think the answer to this is no. There is a > directory called /boot/kernel.old. From my reading, I believe this is > the original generic kernel? > > > if not have you tried it? > > Not yet. Section "24.2.3 Major and Minor Upgrades" of the Handbook > says I can load the generic kernel by renaming /boot/kernel.old to > /boot/GENERIC. > > I think this is what I need to do to boot the generic kernel? > > ------------------ > If the system was running with a custom kernel, use the nextboot(8) > command to set the kernel for the next boot to /boot/GENERIC (which > was updated): > > # nextboot -k GENERIC > > Warning: Before rebooting with the GENERIC kernel, make sure it > contains all drivers required for your system to boot properly (and > connect to the network, if the machine that is being updated is > accessed remotely). In particular, if the previously running custom > kernel contained built-in functionality usually provided by kernel > modules, make sure to temporarily load these modules into the GENERIC > kernel using the /boot/loader.conf facility. You may also wish to > disable non-essential services, disk and network mounts, etc. until > the upgrade process is complete. > > The machine should now be restarted with the updated kernel: > > # shutdown -r now > ------------------- > > So, it sounds like the safe move is to try to get the Generic kernel > up and running, and then think about doing an upgrade. > > Unfortunately, I need to drive back to the server... another 2 hr > commute. Gotta find a closer data center :-) If you did not touch the kernel, there is no need to boot GENERIC! Plus you have said that this box is running PF, which is not in the GENERIC kernel! Personally, I am interested in knowing why the system does not mount the root partition on its own when you can do it by hand and it does not complain. Did you by any chance change anyting in /etc/fstab? What entries you do have in /etc/sysctl.conf? Please try "fsck -y" option first although I am not quite optimistic about it, given that mounting by hand works so far. If I were to upgrade, I'd go to 6.4-STABLE first and wait there while thinking about the next move. What does your /etc/rc.conf contain? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 14:59:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBF71065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:59:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413A98FC1A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1468488bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qCAkzPfKfyn423EDngNughVEgFiTGqfZo7s2NEd+wrY=; b=WL+85VMloBXaAlZTbFcJ0GzxLXfseBCLKEsOarsn3S+z8RZw5ErI2/3g8c8TzpBmqX eX66f/E6LfK3PocNZhlL1Ha9vlQ0pNZbO3aP0S9yGG5dagMUabJXBsQZovtqr22o4gzO 5fwemOrRlrp047uKOOk2KFwl+ckQLbIB73M2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=h84irSqHAwDdKgOiNRPzBoAVPgMcZGMpJGXLT6xF1qDj722fJI0/rf0jzRNpBy5Jnl jCPjbP8THG430Vv4cCCFma4M1uIMSD2qE1CDbLScunbYPVjfsvBYv32V30fULGAbJuPv j+LVYljg73AHCula4ubFiituMBfdfa38WEW44= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.115.135 with SMTP id i7mr3230802bkq.178.1249657154029; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:59:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807144348.GA2419@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> <20090807144348.GA2419@phenom.cordula.ws> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:59:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9c188f9def9af57f Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070759v4f33ef46wa4bc41d8111ab3d@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:59:16 -0000 > Try this: > > # strings /boot/kernel/kernel =A0 =A0 | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' > # strings /boot/kernel.old/kernel | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' $ strings kernel/kernel |grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys' root@on.identry.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/INET_ON $ strings kernel.old/kernel |grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys' root@on.identry.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/INET_ON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:09:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61391065686 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5338FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from phenom.cordula.ws (phenom [192.168.254.60]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2265136D09; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:09:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:09:48 +0200 From: cpghost To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807150948.GB2419@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> <20090807144348.GA2419@phenom.cordula.ws> <4d4e09680908070759v4f33ef46wa4bc41d8111ab3d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070759v4f33ef46wa4bc41d8111ab3d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:54 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:59:13AM -0400, Identry wrote: > > Try this: > > > > # strings /boot/kernel/kernel ? ? | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' > > # strings /boot/kernel.old/kernel | grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/' > > $ strings kernel/kernel |grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys' > root@on.identry.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/INET_ON > > $ strings kernel.old/kernel |grep ':/usr/obj/usr/src/sys' > root@on.identry.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/INET_ON So both are (probably) custom kernels. Just run a diff between: /usr/src/sys/$ARCH/conf/GENERIC and /usr/src/sys/$ARCH/conf/INET_ON (with ARCH being one of i386, amd64, etc...) GENERIC and INET_ON may be equal; then you're running GENERIC. If not, they you're running a customized kernel. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:09:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F70710656AA for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=4638e80c8=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414FC8FC2E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:09:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,341,1246856400"; d="scan'208";a="14689801" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 10:09:54 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DB3D4EF4F; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:54 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Stefan Miklosovic , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: broken firefox port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:09:55 -0000 --On Friday, August 07, 2009 07:56:01 -0500 Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > > hi, > > while upgrading firefox 3.0.11-1, this error appeared to me: > > ---> Upgrading 'firefox-3.0.11,1' to 'firefox-3.0.13,1' (www/firefox3) > ---> Building '/usr/ports/www/firefox3' > ===> Cleaning for firefox-3.0.13,1 > ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa > /tmp/portupgrade20090807-17357-4m6e3h-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade > UPGRADE_PORT=firefox-3.0.11,1 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=3.0.11,1 make > ** Fix the problem and try again. > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > ! www/firefox3 (firefox-3.0.11,1) (unknown build error) > > any ideas ? This is what you should have gotten: [root@utd65257 /usr/ports/www/firefox3]# make ===> firefox-3.0.13,1 has known vulnerabilities: => mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. Reference: => Please update your ports tree and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/firefox3. I don't know why you got the error you did, but you're not going to be able to build Firefox right now anyway, unless you're willing to make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES. Try make distclean and then make again. You should get the vulnerability notice. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:14:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9C10656A3 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:14:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517CB8FC3D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (80.6.192-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.192.6.80]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E65BC63352C; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8E5CAA1; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:14:27 +0200 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090807171427.30130f19@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.4; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:14:11 -0000 Le Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:53:05 -0500, Paul Schmehl a =E9crit : > I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate > from the former to the latter. K3B needs kde3 and amarok2 is not yet ready for KDE 4.3. I still use amarok 1.4. There is no problem to use kde3 and kde4. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:14:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA70410656A5 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F398FC2A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1694051fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HFcAn+unycw/7ROfHEdEOMbzxuX9nac59axmWjn67fw=; b=G2Cj2Gh7VCcMVCkwj21ECXYzR1mzSnMGH7y3sbBg58CD0G4BVU+ZB+7r0OwKeLOn8Y mIIXLw00sdZgrk34tgecMpBEv+cWIvIwons/vKFsTLqwlR6A7ItjOnMM7eD5GyvCW8Ch PzwYJ2A+zvxPpXZHGO9mqFgOio8y79NkuIF8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AxQFFPnjJUXZyIIzwygx9adJYA5wkfDNRg1YI9sciUrc55JEtyswF0xq32kcMyavOl FnLO46fi8epEIO7XRrH8QYqBM7vtmHi6VZEB3mda9AYM/xex/GSgZu1mOSP/hWfldts/ Xe+K5KAj63YexnGwjnnEslBQ+6NJubjjhYqtc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.112.205 with SMTP id x13mr3250578bkp.170.1249657721400; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <991123400908070746t7f9ed6ddy77450aec98885618@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> <991123400908070746t7f9ed6ddy77450aec98885618@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070808k38d2e4b0ke28c6c420deaa433@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jalmberg@identry.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:14:29 -0000 > If you did not touch the kernel, there is no need to boot GENERIC! Plus you > have said that this box is running PF, which is not in the GENERIC kernel! > Personally, I am interested in knowing why the system does not mount the > root partition on its own when you can do it by hand and it does not > complain. Me too. > Did you by any chance change anyting in /etc/fstab? No, this has never changed since original install. > What entries you do have in /etc/sysctl.conf? None. It is just the default file with some comments, but no uncommented lines. > Please try "fsck -y" option first although I am not quite optimistic about > it, given that mounting by hand works so far. Okay. > If I were to upgrade, I'd go to 6.4-STABLE first and wait there while > thinking about the next move. Right... I'm going to try getting this machine up first, before fussing with upgrades. > What does your /etc/rc.conf contain? $ cat rc.conf #$Id: rc.conf,v 1.4 2008/03/31 23:44:10 root Exp root $ # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sat Dec 1 16:23:45 2007 # Created: Sat Dec 1 16:23:45 2007 # Enable network daemons for user convenience. # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf. # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf. defaultrouter="66.111.0.193" hostname="on.identry.com" keyrate="fast" moused_enable="YES" monit_enable="YES" ntpd_enable="YES" ntpd_program="/usr/sbin/ntpd" ntpd_config="/etc/ntp.conf" ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" ntpd_flags="-p /var/run/ntpd.pid" saver="green" pf_enable="YES" pf_rules="/etc/pf.conf" pf_flags="" # additional flags for pfctl startup pflog_enable="YES" pflog_logfile="/var/log/pflog" pflog_flags="" # additional flags for pflogd startup sshd_enable="YES" #inetd_enable="YES" usbd_enable="YES" mysql_enable="YES" apache22_enable="YES" apache22_flags="-DSSL" apache22_http_accept_enable="YES" sendmail_enable="NONE" spamd_enable="YES" spamd_flags="-v -x -u vpopmail" courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES" courier_imap_imapdssl_enable="YES" courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES" courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES" courier_imap_pop3dssl_enable="YES" courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES" clamav_clamd_enable="YES" clamav_freshclam_enable="YES" svscan_enable="YES" snmpd_enable="NO" pureftpd_enable="YES" autossh_enable="YES" mongrel_cluster_enable="YES" mongrel_cluster_config="/usr/local/etc/mongrel_cluster" # added by xorg-libraries port local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:25:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCB61065673 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1918FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1701145fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dT7rnKdi8Y3Ozo+QPq+AZPwujVB6dki7fUKV2joC+Z8=; b=hgQr0qdqmhd4SxG9/t/ZIX926NeJs1skxW46a7aJhdGLb0N8pOKgVTS1bEUYA0Ewoz gDNGdEVTqlchH45oMYEulcj6BiLOWTingHBr8V8XKMgPPToONMCcjsaH05IYh0JfJIjE EcJH7aVhqRzRnLGKwR7+Zjx5wii4zxhcWBMC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=F2NRvutBPRdFZGaxgAsd/0cLeZkKD1GOrHpOvluYE8WVAKfpdy9TpxqFRoQmgXBr54 O+qWuR7s1xNiGm4v3RLy0mc/Ugu2dcRt8aTTH27aXogFPVhWlXTfwGUtdfQmmgoj6ltj MSKxOWo+rLNYwO8WyUAMZwn5EfnhsYR6xpQvA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.97.136 with SMTP id l8mr2145921bkn.181.1249658748630; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:25:48 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bad6e2722fd75d16 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:25:51 -0000 >> So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why >> doesn't it mount during the boot process? >> > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or > twice) So I've been thinking about how to run fsck... At the moment, I have to boot from an install cd, go into fixit mode, and mount filesystems by hand. I am mounting them to a mount point like /mnt/root and /mnt/home, etc. Do I just do a command like: fsck /mnt/root Should I use any flags? Should I mount the filesystems read write or read only? Thanks: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:28:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEAB106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=4638e80c8=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D325F8FC0A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:28:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,341,1246856400"; d="scan'208";a="15965079" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 09:59:36 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC5814EF4B; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:59:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:59:36 +0000 From: Paul Schmehl To: Kent Stewart , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200908062227.00953.kstewart@owt.com> References: <200908062227.00953.kstewart@owt.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:28:38 -0000 --On Friday, August 07, 2009 00:27:00 -0500 Kent Stewart =20 wrote: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 05:53:05 pm Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould >> >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehl >> > >> > wrote: >> >> Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go >> >> about it? =C2=A0Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? =C2=A0Is = there an >> >> upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst >> > >> > Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory >> > folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. >> > >> > As always, YMMV. >> >> I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like >> this, and here's the problems I ran into. >> >> I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from >> the former to the latter. > > There are features that haven't made it to kde4 such as koffice. I added > OpenOffice but that can be a long compile. One of my favorite sites crashes > konqueror, which wasn't a problem on kde3. I left my slower machine, which I > use for e-mail, and web browsing running kde3 and play with kde4 on my system > that can do a portupgrade -pfR kde4 in 7 hours and build OO in less than 2 > hours. It is running kde-4.3 now and it has been recursively rebuilt. The > browser crash is still there. I can use the packages of common ports to > update the slower machine. They are on a 4-port kvm and it is too easy to > simply use the machine that works the best. > Thanks, Kent. That's very useful information. I'm going to stick with KDE3 a=20 while longer. This is my primary workstation, so I don't want to be chasing=20 demons all day. --=20 Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:31:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C27106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3158FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n77FURlw021943; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:30:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AB7C3BA93; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:30:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:30:27 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:31:13 -0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:08:44AM -0400, Identry wrote: > > if not have you tried it? >=20 > No. I need to figure out how to do that, and I didn't have enough > brain power last night after doing all those backups. >=20 > After sleeping on it, I am wondering if I can kill two birds with one > stone... by using 7.2 install CDs to upgrade the machine? I believe > there is an 'upgrade' option on the install menu (I'm burning some 7.2 > CDs right now to double check.) Realize that if you upgrade to 7.x, you'll have to remove and reinstall all ports because the version number of shared system libraries will have changed. > Or would it be safer to try to bring up the machine on it's own with a > 6.2 generic kernel, first? Seeing as how you can mount the partitions on the drive perfectly by hand, maybe it was just a glitch. Have you tried rebooting again? If it still doesn't work, try getting into the boot menu and see if the drive looks OK from there. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:37:09 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Steele wrote: [...] > > > The problem is with our C applications. They continue to operate with > the old time zone, so things like timestamps in log files are not in > sync with the timestamps in the Java app log files. If we stop and > restart the C apps they pick up the time zone change. However, we don't > want to take this extreme approach. We want the Java app to signal to > the C applications that the time zone has changed. However, I've > experimented with the various time zone related calls and I cannot > figure out what call is needed to make the C applications pick up the > time zone change. I've tried setting the environment variable TZ to the > new time zone and this doesn't seem to work, and I've tried calling > tzset() and tzsetwall(). In each case after I make these calls the > function "localtime()" does not return the same time base as the Java > application. > Hi Peter, Did you try unsetting TZ and then calling tzset()? The man page implies that doing so will force a reread of /etc/localtime (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tzset&sourceid=opensearch): "The tzset() function initializes time conversion information used by the library routine localtime(3). The environment variable TZ specifies how this is done. If TZ does not appear in the environment, the best available approximation to local wall clock time, as specified by the tzfile(5)-format file /etc/localtime is used." I haven't tested it, though, and I'm no timezone expert, so I may be completely off-base! Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKfEAG0sRouByUApARAkFQAKCq3PdqsoJ4aMMnNcoUgwHwOcOlLACfczQ/ vzfWIYV/n7TEgq6jIgCnVnE= =6Bwv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:40:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B17106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8958FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n77Fe9fF047162; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:40:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D546BA93; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:40:09 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:40:46 -0000 --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:25:48AM -0400, Identry wrote: > >> So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why > >> doesn't it mount during the boot process? > >> > > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or > > twice) >=20 > So I've been thinking about how to run fsck... >=20 > At the moment, I have to boot from an install cd, go into fixit mode, > and mount filesystems by hand. I am mounting them to a mount point > like /mnt/root and /mnt/home, etc. >=20 > Do I just do a command like: >=20 > fsck /mnt/root >=20 > Should I use any flags? Should I mount the filesystems read write or read= only? You should never fsck a filesystem when its mounted! I think you should start by reading the manual pages for fsck and fsck_ffs. I would start with 'fsck_ffs -fp /dev/yourdevicenode'. If this command quits with errors, you might try fsck_ffs without flags, or 'fsck_ffs -y' to have it try and repair all damage that it finds. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp8StkACgkQEnfvsMMhpyWo3wCfTbFE8JFrBROFtlijyEuDVnFx JJYAn2YLTWYZadMzBF79id+XEyPpN5zI =6VCw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aM3YZ0Iwxop3KEKx-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 15:47:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E201065673 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695A18FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1714445fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q8DZkD7tyRlrBS8OUWwUbojDqXuSyDvqGTXZO/cPYug=; b=sfNgPnKLJpCwYC1urdmf/YlK/Pow2+23AAkkJwLbWnMOmdK5VVo3d0oMqJM6JfpybY 5rt/sIeuTkHrlzIrQ/34ODJX/KmsyiZ67YK5mTfoCvCUfFpCrpxMqqG4ScCNV29KMzrk 8kZaAnyozpy9MxypXxV7PVmzM6jwnDGQhD1ZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=wo2W4TXgF7CseSqczZNXYD/dQKrFozudzjvL6Xg7YD6DcOw2w1thL0hK8bdYtitmPq hKhE0qmMNkwV/9brY/wEbWv2s3zmlc8+UJKL/efQoSxanbHNQHZ1Yl8Ft26GNoXvIN5k fFm2MhtD+VZqMMVSfRB6jl5QpS3g6YuoEriQI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.58.79 with SMTP id f15mr812952bkh.185.1249660078333; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:47:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b10f64009ae38c02 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:48:00 -0000 > Realize that if you upgrade to 7.x, you'll have to remove and reinstall > all ports because the version number of shared system libraries will > have changed. Yes, I've decided this is way too complicated. >> Or would it be safer to try to bring up the machine on it's own with a >> 6.2 generic kernel, first? > > Seeing as how you can mount the partitions on the drive perfectly by > hand, maybe it was just a glitch. Have you tried rebooting again? Yes. It won't even boot into single user or safe mode. It hangs when it tries to mount the root partition. > If it still doesn't work, try getting into the boot menu and see if the > drive looks OK from there. Not exactly sure what you mean... How can I see what the drive looks like from the boot menu? Sorry if this is a total newbie question... -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 16:11:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67B2106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686978FC26 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1728501fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=ORLHpP6FP7VSylBHMLBKyumQtIZTIj7UAxmxnXMLjrQ=; b=KmugvVB/vFtKFnEbLGfbugt/gTjRDrvpXuNKGMY17cLD9vnWiZ9t35xHoNksO1Ih4p aNB03h234bTlm0tNfh5zEuZXbNTfFLQlIAtLx2Ayso+G/vQu14M3tdTRt8xHsoMrANjW LZ81AA6EI3jvlBC3wBm8NZMc4HoN4BmZOhs38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Vb0DBgqefXleKjtFuVfTxBrolIyvJOLSlw8cf87aKr+J3rVLrXlv6/HaAxWlJMIYS6 GpYD1UigbYzi3cTJ2WljEgDX5E4+5bEWdseISJFrDsOa1/iINZROH5U+LC1h277MgYZA 7sTBbd0MBjH/y3HWQ7ig5pi+Oq7XUJ2Jz5+P8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.76.137 with SMTP id c9mr2904660bkk.192.1249661498390; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gIOODr+OCt+ODs+ODiOODsw==?= Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:11:18 +0300 Message-ID: <991123400908070911j3483aa48sa84c501a743bba28@mail.gmail.com> To: Identry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:11:40 -0000 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Identry wrote: > >> So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why > >> doesn't it mount during the boot process? > >> > > I'd give it an fsck or two (more than one has been needed once or > > twice) > > So I've been thinking about how to run fsck... > > At the moment, I have to boot from an install cd, go into fixit mode, > and mount filesystems by hand. I am mounting them to a mount point > like /mnt/root and /mnt/home, etc. > > Do I just do a command like: > > fsck /mnt/root > > Should I use any flags? Should I mount the filesystems read write or read > only? fsck is run when all file systems are unmounted! If you can, choose single use mode, press enter when it says something like "/bin/sh" (I don't remember the wordings) and then on the subsequent prompt,, # fsck -y [Press enter here] That is all you need. Once it completes, it will bring back the prompt (the hash prompt). If there are no major problems detected, you can simply go ahead and type "exit" at the prompt and press enter and see what happens. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 16:18:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED841065674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EA28FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1732689fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p9n4ayGOUI9heq8ZdWVwNqtz92QMSEuA2kANsWJHPZY=; b=W7e/FvXRiIfsPjxMX1to0BaIgOFQ9+y/TxzlQQ/F5Rq6TPzXVoDSRqj2uqHOT3KsXk lvFI28C8vBIRv83cMfYVGWtZlk9w72IKxlU7MWpHtmnHsGmSpowsfBIg7CjvwQzdFYT0 SHa4pge+LIJF2nkUkq3PudyeiMcspCTsp1EIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Yz536SrBKBho67gK+2XX/mjoM98PrcRPfHvPjUdwgjJ+rpGLwOSYZHxb7BE/WcGWWN Z6gyt416uDcJPwlXvu7x1XOByUy5RKd+Mi2yJSGd6P08y1/CyQaW5ABtiMlrYjO9Dp32 c5rb3yuJx2eVluE7sUo5BXCDInL5h14d+uDd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr3323763bkr.105.1249661921592; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <991123400908070911j3483aa48sa84c501a743bba28@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <991123400908070911j3483aa48sa84c501a743bba28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:18:41 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 94861a9bda1b4e33 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070918u51f9f815oe808580339fe1731@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?T2RoaWFtYm8gGyRCJW8lNyVzJUglcxsoQg==?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:18:44 -0000 > fsck is run when all file systems are unmounted! > > If you can, choose single use mode, press enter when it says something like > "/bin/sh" (I don't remember the wordings) and then on the subsequent > prompt,, > # fsck -y [Press enter here] > > That is all you need. Once it completes, it will bring back the prompt (the > hash prompt). If there are no major problems detected, you can simply go > ahead and type "exit" at the prompt and press enter and see what happens. But it doesn't boot into single user mode, so I can't just do fsck -y. And I'm wondering if -y is too dangerous. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 16:26:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F341065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7130F8FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1737075fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:26:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RpOiVFQjq/iq594HhOWXWvZpScYtV6rJzA7yZUaVlpU=; b=VlSEwqQ85GXxU53piV9kJDXmJzF+MurKxTSWpSMwcNKScKaCmETCA8i3VwpKDEDgDk HwqwejU6CTMNNul0LyzzPJwP8Q2t6mVLX8Sl7+lZNE/g2VjW8TOD5cmbRwydfhl0QWm6 ll4BKLO1JmxlGDzW1L1wSgkvWHBCKEPeLCkFc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=b2R3Rcw1fd39iD05Ta//4Weoa3J2GPwAO1CvMoZ8qE2Y96/s0fuVbz/JjCxhhhzCTv eJ5A2giqETfA1kTzIeUghDhVbtIMzlvSrj0i4N4jkvV3wxD8vwqLNbhiAe4pFU7Ej+04 zJ/HyAQaBGK/0pMXq79UOTESuqlslN+vXKtUc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.54.143 with SMTP id q15mr3286649bkg.148.1249662370713; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:26:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:26:10 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 552f7e9bea391989 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:26:13 -0000 >> Should I use any flags? Should I mount the filesystems read write or read only? > > You should never fsck a filesystem when its mounted! Ah... glad I asked. > I think you should start by reading the manual pages for fsck and > fsck_ffs. I would start with 'fsck_ffs -fp /dev/yourdevicenode'. Okay, that makes sense, and is simpler than what I was planning. I have a long train ride, so I'm going to print out and read those man pages, and whatever I can find in the Handbook, and maybe there's some info in my Absolute FreeBSD book... > If this command quits with errors, you might try fsck_ffs without flags, > or 'fsck_ffs -y' to have it try and repair all damage that it finds. Excellent. Thanks for all your advice Roland. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 00:15:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8D9106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4D8FC27 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9903CEC9; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n770Fqsn002231; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:15:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:15:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20090807021552.2a6940a2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:34:01 +0000 Cc: Manolis Kiagias , Neal Hogan , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Phillips , James Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:16:00 -0000 I'm obviously getting more and more stupid. On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0200, Polytropon wrote: > To conform with the growisofs manual, you could symlink it to /dev/dvd > using the setting > > link acd0 cdrom > > in /etc/devfs.conf. Wrong line copies. Should be: link cd0 dvd Same file. But still a cool symlink. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 17:04:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849EB1065678 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:04:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B148FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:61759 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MZSr9-0006pE-5k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:03:53 +0200 Received: (qmail 39991 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 18:57:08 +0200 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 7 Aug 2009 18:57:08 +0200 Received: (qmail 51812 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Aug 2009 18:57:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:57:08 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1MZSr9-0006pE-5k. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1MZSr9-0006pE-5k 9d3bf1b1c11c1df0146939c902527bc8 Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:04:32 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 12:26:10PM -0400, Identry wrote: > >> Should I use any flags? Should I mount the filesystems read write or read only? > > > > You should never fsck a filesystem when its mounted! > > Ah... glad I asked. Actually it is only when a filesystem is mounted read-write that you must not run fsck on it. Running it on a filesystem which is mounted read-only should be OK. (Otherwise we would all be in a lot of trouble since when fsck is run normally during the startup sequence the root filesystem (/) is mounted read-only, and is in fact where the fsck binary is loaded from.) > > > I think you should start by reading the manual pages for fsck and > > fsck_ffs. I would start with 'fsck_ffs -fp /dev/yourdevicenode'. > > Okay, that makes sense, and is simpler than what I was planning. I > have a long train ride, so I'm going to print out and read those man > pages, and whatever I can find in the Handbook, and maybe there's some > info in my Absolute FreeBSD book... > > > If this command quits with errors, you might try fsck_ffs without flags, > > or 'fsck_ffs -y' to have it try and repair all damage that it finds. > > Excellent. Thanks for all your advice Roland. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 17:29:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C52106566B for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AF8E8FC0A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18762 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 17:29:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.166) with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 17:29:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:34:56 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How is time zone change signalled? Thread-Index: AcoXb7JvCUMCOOMhTa+EYDJw52np1QAEDwhg References: <4A7C4007.9000506@FreeBSD.org> From: "Peter Steele" To: Subject: RE: How is time zone change signalled? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:29:21 -0000 >Did you try unsetting TZ and then calling tzset()? The man page implies that doing so will force a reread of /etc/localtime >(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dtzset&sourceid=3Dopensearch)= : > >"The tzset() function initializes time conversion information used by the library routine localtime(3). The environment variable TZ specifies how this is done. > >If TZ does not appear in the environment, the best available approximation to local wall clock time, as specified by the tzfile(5)-format file /etc/localtime is used." > >I haven't tested it, though, and I'm no timezone expert, so I may be completely off-base! Yes, I've tried the tzset function. I'm basically doing the equivalent of these steps after the Java app changes time zone and updates /etc/localtime: time_t date =3D time(NULL); unsetenv("TZ"); tzset(); printf("time zone is %s/%s", tzname[0], tzname[1]); struct tm* locTime =3D localtime(&date); printf("%02d:%02d:%02d", locTime->tm_hour, locTime->tm_min, locTime->tm_sec); The time printed is still based on the old time zone though. The tzname variable that is set by tzset() still shows for example EDT even if I have just changed the time zone to PDT. If I stop and restart the C app, the time is correct, and tzname is then PDT instead of EDT. I'm very puzzled on what I'm supposed to do to kick start the C time zone. We do not want to have to restart our C apps for something as trivial as this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 18:09:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC1A1065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7DE8FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343457E818; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:09:40 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:09:38 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <200908061829.30618.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <806ECB2662CDB48E55ACD743@Macintosh-2.local> In-Reply-To: <806ECB2662CDB48E55ACD743@Macintosh-2.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908071009.38936.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:09:41 -0000 On Thursday 06 August 2009 19:26:20 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On August 6, 2009 9:29:30 PM -0500 Mel Flynn > > wrote: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 15:21:14 Paul Schmehl wrote: > >> Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go > >> about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an > >> upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? > > > > Wait a week I'd say. KDE 4.3.0 has hit the ports tree rather fast to be > > in > > time for the ports freeze and a lot of stuff is being ironed out. In > > fact, > > probably the best time is after the ports freeze is over. But I expect > > the big > > gotchas to be gone in a few days. > > -- > > Thanks, Mel. I'll wait. Will there be instructions in > /usr/ports/UPDATING after the freeze? (There's nothing in there now about > upgrading.) The 20090804 entries deal with KDE4 (indirectly). Some people have experience problems having KDE3 (in particular qt33) around, but these are build problems. If one makes packages on a clean machine, then you shouldn't be affected and a fix to address that has already been committed. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 18:16:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3023E106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jemrpo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f181.google.com (mail-yx0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCED78FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe11 with SMTP id 11so2171010yxe.3 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:16:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jkYmsxGJ8sj8TdCAcK3Cz5D8OeyNwzR0Z41B19J52qg=; b=CJ4h80YJAqf3RbjTKl+H0cpPFSm7gh+rm4a6+PbT6spi83s/r8ryhA+N/goAc9+q8k GURHlacouYZ/JMUB54IWmRp/8v/ez2lmEKY7lZm8SOokoMnVjAXNHJY/uKg0kz0LuVb3 /RUNZw3BrEfwx7N+pB2wlLLds6D3/E7OjPp4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; b=UZdc1YyZNucwwZlUH22ba/DnbmsRycMvCEvzdWEQ12LECWl8fh9p76dyRvwdJuot0k 4SkWqfyDc04Gl4D8k2IYxXDLGx7KgVvsy7r1tWeFcIJU/B828sQVhpxxsD4kdl1rs5JZ RZ8uht7vSQdozG2PYgVwIbyzQnQdl2X/Fa5Cg= Received: by 10.90.115.13 with SMTP id n13mr1103047agc.106.1249667059276; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?190.249.43.57? ([190.249.43.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3632502agb.28.2009.08.07.10.44.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Esteban Martinez Restrepo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:44:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1249667057.1305.5.camel@dmhosting.g.ysm.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PROBLEMS WITH 250GB SATA HD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:16:57 -0000 Yesterday I upgraded from 7.2 to 8.0beta2, had some issues with fuse.ko and linux compat, but rebuilt and worked ok, I'm having problems trying to mount my SATA 250GB HD, because it just finds one partition (/dev/ad4s1), but I really have 2 partitions there (/dev/ad4s5 /dev/ad4s6) which are ntfs, when i use FreeSBIE live cd to boot it recognizes both partition (/dev/ad4s5 /dev/ad4s6) and can mount them and read the info which I have stored, but when i boot with 8.0BETA2 just find /dev/ad4s1. any ideas what could that be?, i have tried to boot either generic and custom kernel. and got this message on dmesg http://pastebin.com/m45a3711f -- Juan Esteban Martinez Restrepo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 18:59:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2691065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F0A8FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.75] (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A2032960408DCC6; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:59:42 +0100 Message-ID: <4A7C799E.3000700@onetel.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:59:42 +0100 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20090805174038.GA19895@thought.org> <20090806025100.GA79700@thought.org> <20090807001415.e3c86b62.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090807002507.GB83349@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20090807002507.GB83349@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: foot-shot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:59:59 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > > Super! just offhand, can i install PCSD *over* thius FBSd > --7.1--? Keep /usr/home and so on? Or is PCBSD a > do-it-from-scratch? (I'm pretty much OS agnostic [[so long > as it's somethng like UNIX]], but here I know where things > live... With ubuntu, diff't story.) Yes you can if your /usr/home is a separate partition (or on a separate slice). I'm back to FreeBSD now but when using PCBSD I create a / and a /usr/home. It works very well, I can do a whole fresh install on / without touching the /usr/home partition. The installer lets you do this (but back up first just in case). Then a bit of fiddling with fstab and users and it is all go. > hm, not sure how much flash is used, really. i just avoid as > much of it as I can. if i can watch a public broadcasting > stream i usually KVM over to my Ubntu box. ....mmmm. > Hope the just-works PCBSD just-works here. PCBSD has flash sorted out, you can watch youtube, news website embedded video etc. Actually FreeBSD has flash sorted out as well... I think they have done a very good job, I would say give it a try. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 19:06:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6DC106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cstankevitz@toyon.com) Received: from smtp1.toyon.com (206-190-77-154.static.twtelecom.net [206.190.77.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4A88FC1D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.1.101] (hosts253.toyon.com [65.160.147.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.toyon.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n77JBcrt007687 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:11:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7C7B48.2060505@toyon.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:06:48 -0700 From: Chris Stankevitz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Time quantization when reading from serial port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:06:52 -0000 I receive data on the serial port (flags O_NONBLOCK, VMIN=0, VTIME=0, B115200). The time the data shows up is quantized to 5ms. Where does this 5ms quantization comes from? Increasing kern.hz to 10000 does not reduce this effect. Thank you, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 19:20:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CF4106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (113901-app1.sourcehosting.net [72.32.213.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C98FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MZUzF-000ETx-L4; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:20:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (fireball.entropy.prv [192.168.1.12]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE1B32B6550; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A7C7E75.5000503@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:20:21 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Steele References: <4A7C4007.9000506@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How is time zone change signalled? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:20:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Steele wrote: >> Did you try unsetting TZ and then calling tzset()? The man page > implies that doing so will force a reread of /etc/localtime >> (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tzset&sourceid=opensearch): >> >> "The tzset() function initializes time conversion information used by > the library routine localtime(3). The environment variable TZ specifies > how this is done. >> If TZ does not appear in the environment, the best available > approximation to local wall clock time, as specified by the > tzfile(5)-format file /etc/localtime is used." >> I haven't tested it, though, and I'm no timezone expert, so I may be > completely off-base! > > Yes, I've tried the tzset function. I'm basically doing the equivalent > of these steps after the Java app changes time zone and updates > /etc/localtime: > > time_t date = time(NULL); > unsetenv("TZ"); > tzset(); > printf("time zone is %s/%s", tzname[0], tzname[1]); > struct tm* locTime = localtime(&date); > printf("%02d:%02d:%02d", locTime->tm_hour, locTime->tm_min, > locTime->tm_sec); > > The time printed is still based on the old time zone though. The tzname > variable that is set by tzset() still shows for example EDT even if I > have just changed the time zone to PDT. If I stop and restart the C app, > the time is correct, and tzname is then PDT instead of EDT. > > I'm very puzzled on what I'm supposed to do to kick start the C time > zone. We do not want to have to restart our C apps for something as > trivial as this. > Hi Peter, Ok, just wanted to make sure you tried unsetting TZ before calling tzset(). I couldn't tell from your original message. In any case, the man page makes it sound like it should work. I'm really rusty on C programming, but I had a look in /usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime/localtime.c, and it appears that /etc/localtime should be reloaded, although this comment at the beginning of tzload() gives me pause: /* XXX The following is from OpenBSD, and I'm not sure it is correct */ I wonder if you'd get more insight by asking the question in -hackers. Perhaps there are some libc experts listening there. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFKfH510sRouByUApARAjbKAJ9hjsl4X28JjVeZu/3RddR083/+ewCghkUY DF+xiTuRUKKnP1wlySTeMsc= =oZqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:02:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399B106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562278FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so2739790ywh.27 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=orgZVh3+UtRPyuUHN1V6RIdU3yooXb7jST9jhZoatb8=; b=Fv0qQBSZkacq4bmR6KlHnxWjVqR6BSo/2Y7Fl1Gh6919xbOREC2xONQmoBJalWo4e5 qbbXpBmp6XS/UP46XjnV5pvsqlysngcsQ9l7vAFIsEIvMvcbQ0lWhkWDXslo5N3a1s6c pfKr5JKi3DxRg1rV1GgEPwwOBas8qTIZu8810= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vVMck24x3cL3axUbiIAEJdb23y9gBr/FPg3FgMDFJflB3M8rc7txnBTgyoJ4XKOocv jkmd0AUGtJTVIBPwuYOFfqERxNKuobLu0b+xwO2AcN1ytbMx1NuxKAKg1610DHDHsmsH fw8UEdsECV1bQzJBHhRTksCM0pA7+tpCeV6iM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.250.8 with SMTP id x8mr830058anh.198.1249675343435; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:02:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070808k38d2e4b0ke28c6c420deaa433@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> <991123400908070746t7f9ed6ddy77450aec98885618@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070808k38d2e4b0ke28c6c420deaa433@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:02:22 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: jalmberg@identry.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:02:24 -0000 On 8/7/09, Identry wrote: >> If you did not touch the kernel, there is no need to boot GENERIC! Plus >> you >> have said that this box is running PF, which is not in the GENERIC kernel! >> Personally, I am interested in knowing why the system does not mount the >> root partition on its own when you can do it by hand and it does not >> complain. > > Me too. > >> Did you by any chance change anyting in /etc/fstab? > > No, this has never changed since original install. > Non-printable-character (NPC) NPCs may be a culprit for a file that used to work, now doesn't. Or a inode oddity. I've been following this thread but haven't chipped in because of timing (you driving to the datacenter). Here's what I'd consider: # mv /etc/fstab /etc/old-fstab and recreate a fstab from hand. Example: /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 If you dumpfs the other bsd partitions, you can see "last mounted on". That might reflect the live-cd mountpoints, but it might help. Reconstruct the fstab. The existing one, which may have NPC or some other corruption is still there, inode hasn't changed. we did create a new file (hence, new inode) and know we don't have a NPC in it. I doubt controller or disk problems, since a livecd can mount it. a fsck -y on a clean filesystem won't report anything. HTH, good luck. >> What entries you do have in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > None. It is just the default file with some comments, but no uncommented > lines. > >> Please try "fsck -y" option first although I am not quite optimistic about >> it, given that mounting by hand works so far. > > Okay. > >> If I were to upgrade, I'd go to 6.4-STABLE first and wait there while >> thinking about the next move. > > Right... I'm going to try getting this machine up first, before > fussing with upgrades. > >> What does your /etc/rc.conf contain? > $ cat rc.conf > #$Id: rc.conf,v 1.4 2008/03/31 23:44:10 root Exp root $ > > # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Sat Dec 1 16:23:45 2007 > # Created: Sat Dec 1 16:23:45 2007 > # Enable network daemons for user convenience. > # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > defaultrouter="66.111.0.193" > hostname="on.identry.com" > keyrate="fast" > moused_enable="YES" > monit_enable="YES" > ntpd_enable="YES" > ntpd_program="/usr/sbin/ntpd" > ntpd_config="/etc/ntp.conf" > ntpd_sync_on_start="YES" > ntpd_flags="-p /var/run/ntpd.pid" > saver="green" > pf_enable="YES" > pf_rules="/etc/pf.conf" > pf_flags="" # additional flags for pfctl startup > pflog_enable="YES" > pflog_logfile="/var/log/pflog" > pflog_flags="" # additional flags for pflogd startup > sshd_enable="YES" > #inetd_enable="YES" > usbd_enable="YES" > mysql_enable="YES" > apache22_enable="YES" > apache22_flags="-DSSL" > apache22_http_accept_enable="YES" > sendmail_enable="NONE" > spamd_enable="YES" > spamd_flags="-v -x -u vpopmail" > courier_authdaemond_enable="YES" > courier_imap_imapd_enable="YES" > courier_imap_imapdssl_enable="YES" > courier_imap_imapd_ssl_enable="YES" > courier_imap_pop3d_enable="YES" > courier_imap_pop3dssl_enable="YES" > courier_imap_pop3d_ssl_enable="YES" > clamav_clamd_enable="YES" > clamav_freshclam_enable="YES" > svscan_enable="YES" > snmpd_enable="NO" > pureftpd_enable="YES" > autossh_enable="YES" > mongrel_cluster_enable="YES" > mongrel_cluster_config="/usr/local/etc/mongrel_cluster" > > # added by xorg-libraries port > local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:06:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45251065705 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D3B8FC19 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205C3CE2C; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:06:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n77K6YZs001599; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:06:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:06:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Modulok Message-Id: <20090807220634.37e896f3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <64c038660908062025p5b14ab56xeb3abc6ccada8f2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <945518.43400.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <4A7B62BF.9050102@otenet.gr> <20090807020416.b7c0ddcf.freebsd@edvax.de> <64c038660908062025p5b14ab56xeb3abc6ccada8f2e@mail.gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:06:37 -0000 On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:25:38 -0600, Modulok wrote: > It's nice to be able to go on vacation, without worrying about the > servers back home craping out :) Vacation? Weekend! :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:08:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799F910656C9 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2351F8FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23569 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2009 20:08:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249675699; bh=3O656K+7s+8+LRlJJGKD59A21SzVyg5hyMuFlqYYNpY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kQifdzWaV7ytmivjA9VO7wE9oua5PL0gtywFkVV2BlLh7eOVBeslVQyN6N/nlH+x/w241x7Rh4G8iPsFCiDyYDeLM69YIy8nwr8v73owVGGH25mTA8K/K/xTwjI24kL/JdC7+FYm0yYT/CgiElwOA2P1P1tLOFgJgziXZfdIO2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mcsiMmLuIol4qE51dtsbw1yR96nzd3+SKwNZV/S3QwJKrS+FltlNAEDiE66MDGNjrIUuosWUDfPSdZWyGJ+2F2YnvXk3c7akMhIupxuYt8y0tk9ZLZrxpjHOQhKSI5c5MC2C9wPeOuGfE7MTUlpBLD2uIpuAI4prWWEvv+L7DVE=; Message-ID: <457708.23496.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PVP41nwVM1knaKTBJwri6b1kNNzb84mV1I5pujxXTEVN80DxO05X0Vrlhf6HTi1CApulamsNX8MGrRmWJypDIc6V5zAu7Z3FCMzMueECMo0WVKJF7ss5CZPZV4vSEnAQuFhmNJU8fAO2LrGtvhMLWVX5tXF7sMOetMLoXMHLWN2RuMJUAGP6kcvhjsa6QwrCDyY.luYkJOqk0_Fae_DFmYDrpkVYTmnp7UVVqKFcyv.2.qbptIUV.5TX00VNMhcsA7SxQi4HSDs2bAoD7DWNa2qwSIjJcCBmB08SUw_4Dq3dbV9RHaIeupn7ODsgoMutu_HzHOKeUxy4oA-- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:08:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:08:21 -0000 Thank-you for your replies. I guess=0Amy main concern was I'm not sure when= to stop banging my=0Ahead against the wall and ask for help. The checklist= kind=0Aof goes like:=0A=0ADid you read the FAQ and release notes?=0ADid yo= u read the handbook?=0ADid read the man pages?=0ADid you search the mailing= -list archives?=0A=0AThis list is probably best suited to very specific=0Aq= uestions.=0A=0ASome the stuff I mentioned has little to do with BSD.=0A=0A-= -- On Thu, 8/6/09, Polytropon =0Awrote:=0A=0A> From: Poly= tropon =0A> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or wo= man)=0A(was: > upgrade 7.2=0A> To: "James Phillips" = =0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=0A> Received: Thursday, August 6, 20= 09, 7:45 PM=0A> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:56:41 -0700=0A> (PDT), James Phillips= =0A> wrote:=0A=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > I c= hecked the HP website: they will release the=0A> details of the PCL=0A> > l= anguage (version 4 or so) for a price.=0A> =0A> The PCL language is usually= output by gs (the Ghostscript=0A> printer=0A> "driver" collection that tra= nslates PS into PCL and other=0A> printer=0A> languages).=0A> =0AYes, I fig= ured this out when I abandoned the Handbook and=0Alooked at the ports colle= ction. I've used GhostScript under=0Awindows as well.=0A> =0A> =0A> > I fin= ally got it working by installing the Apsfiler=0A> package in the=0A> > por= ts collection (no, did not send the post-card yet;=0A> the print=0A> > serv= er is not functional yet.)=0A> =0A> Personally, I prefer apsfilter to CUPS,= but maybe you would=0A> have liked=0A> CUPS better. It offers a browser ba= sed interface and offers=0A> lots of=0A> autodetection functionality. (But = you can't install a=0A> parallel printer=0A> that isn't connected to the sy= stem easily, for example.)=0A> =0AI'm wondering how well apsfiler and CUPS = cooperate. Samba=0Auses CUPS by default.=0A=0A> Setting up a printer with t= he apsfilter SETUP script is=0A> very easy as=0A> long as you know which na= me the printer has - you mentioned=0A> HP. And=0A> if it's a HP Laserjet, y= ou're lucky. You're even more lucky=0A> if your=0A> printer does support th= e PS standard, because then you can=0A> avoid using=0A> any printer filter = (such as apsfilter) because PS is the=0A> default output=0A> format for pri= nting, and it can be fed directly into the=0A> printer.=0A> =0A=0AThe print= er is a $10 POS I got used. PS output seems to=0Aconfuse it. I'm tempted ju= st to get a newer one.=0A=0A(Laserjet 5L -> except it gets confused by PCL = 5 as well)=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A>=0A> > made few tweaks of the system t= o better follow the=0A> Filesystem=0A> > Hierarchy Standard (such as symlin= king /usr/local/etc=0A> to /etc/opt).=0A> =0A> Erm, excuse me? First of all= , it's not encouraged to mix OS=0A> things=0A> with application things. You= know that FreeBSD keeps the=0A> difference=0A> between "the OS" and "every= thing else" (which is=0Alocated in=0A> the=0A> /usr/local subtree). If you'= re coming from a Linux=0A> background, I=0A> could understand that you're n= ot familiar with this=0A> concept.=0A> The /usr/local subtree can be comple= tely removed and=0Astill=0A> leaves=0A> you with a completely intact and fu= nctional OS.=0AEverything=0A> that=0A> you install by ports or packages goe= s into /usr/local,=0Aand=0A> of course,=0A> the configuration files belong = there, too.=0A/usr/local/etc=0A> has the=0A> same structure as /etc, but it= 's reserved for=0Aadditional=0A> software.=0A> Vice versa, configuration fi= les of locally installed ports=0A> do not=0A> belong into /etc.=0A> =0A> Re= fer to =0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 % man hier=0A> =0A> to learn where things are ke= pt on FreeBSD.=0A> =0AUsing a symlink (/usr/local/etc -> /etc/opt) , the=0A= system IS still functional if /local is not mounted.=0A=0Aputting the setti= ngs in /etc makes it possible to mount=0A/usr read-only (in theory).=0Ahttp= ://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/=0AAccording to Wikipedia, it is Linux-specific= .=0A=0AIn any case, the changes are minor.=0A> =0A=0A> =0A> > That m= achine is slowly degrading while I try to get=0A> the fileserver=0A> > work= ing the way I want.=0A> =0A> That indicates a major problem. Either your ha= rdware is=0A> faulty, or you=0A> are treating the software in the wrong way= .=0A=0A"Machine" in that sentence refers to win98 client. The HD=0Aactivity= light stays on for no apparent reason (no=0Athrashing). I suspect malware,= even if the Anti-virus can't=0Afind it :(=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > The last ti= me I did a complete re-install (of win98) I=0A> lost data=0A> > due to a da= maged disk that I copied the data to (and=0A> learned that=0A> > bzip2recov= er is a quick hack that needs to be=0A> re-written properly=0A> > according= to the source code).=0A> =0A> It's completely normal that you lose data on= "Windows"=0A> platforms.=0A> That's why you have a UNIX server for backups= .=0A=0AI lost data under Linux that I used for doing the back-up.=0AI blame= the cryptic HD error messages under Linux. Took=0Ayears to figure out what= happened. I think FreeBSD=0Ahard-drive failure messages were less cryptic.= =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > I hope to replace windows with wine for the most part= ,=0A> but wine=0A> > simply installs the applications in the users' home=0A= > directory=0A> > (breaking the FHS).=0A> =0A> No. You run wine as a user a= pplication, so you have=0A> user=0A> rights only.=0A> Then, wine of course = provides a user-based installation of=0A> your=0A> desired "Windows" progra= m.=0A=0AAn analogy would be to think of Wine like a generic=0Ainterpreter l= ike the BSD Linux compatibility, or the Java=0Aruntime for running Java app= lications. There should be a way=0Afor the administrator to install windows= applications in=0Asomething like /usr/local.=0A=0AThis would only be on th= e "client" machines anyway (not the=0Aserver). I Just hear a sucking sound = every time I try to=0Ainstall a 500MB+ game in the user directory.=0A=0A> = =0A> A workaround could be to create a special user, e. g.=0A> "wincompat",= =0A> that is used to install the applications. His home=0A> directory=0A> /= home/wincompat is then set to allow access for other=0A> users, so=0A> they= can execute the (there installed) "Windows" programs=0A> instead of=0A> re= quiring a user-local installation.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > This is only resolv= able IMHO by having wine use a real=0A> database=0A> > back-end for the reg= istry (allowing user-level "views"=0A> of the=0A> > data, while still isola= ting different users).=0A> =0A> That's a bit complicated, but still possibl= e with the=0A> standard=0A> file attributes on a UFS file system - I hope I= understood=0A> you=0A> correctly.=0A=0AWine uses a flat file (for the regi= stry). I don't think it=0Asupports per-user isolation, so each user has the= ir own wine=0Aenvironment instead. Again Wine, not BSD related.=0A> =0A> = =0A> =0A> > Setting up NFS was a lesson in the intecracies of NIS=0A> twice= =0A> > since my Linux clients do things a little differently.=0A> After=0A>= > asking on one of the IRC channels that we are not=0A> advised to use; [.= ..]=0A> =0A> We?=0AGeneral public. Most the "supported" IRC channels requir= e=0Aauthentication.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > [...] I edited the /var/yp/Makefil= e to suppress groups=0A> outside=0A> > the range of (1001 -2000). That basi= cly prevents the=0A> "special"=0A> > groups from being exported to the Linu= x clients (that=0A> use different=0A> > numbering)=0A> =0A> It's traditiona= l to create a "name:name" for user "name".=0A> Of course,=0A> there's no pr= oblem of grouping your user names to=0A> "name:group1" and=0A> similar thin= gs; "name:staff" comes into mind.=0A=0Ayes, the user groups are in the 1001= + range. this is=0Aconsistent with what Debian does. The "special" groups = like=0Appp, audio, etc, are numbered differently. NFS only passes=0Auser an= d group numbers over the network. So, to keep things=0Aremotely sane, NIS i= n needed to keep all the user names=0Aconsistent. I originally didn't want = to use NIS.=0A=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > To do this, I DID need the gory low-lev= el details in=0A> the handbook.=0A> > I didn't note the exact date, but I r= eally didn't=0A> touch the server=0A> > for months after that. I copied my = work to the Linux=0A> client because=0A> > the hard-disk was failing, and I= still did not get=0A> DVD-burning=0A> > working.=0A> =0A> There's the grow= isofs tool from the ports. The port's name=0A> is=0A> dvd+rw-tools. You sim= ply run=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 % growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -r -J somedata/=0A> =0A>= or refer to=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0 % man growisofs=0A> =0A> for detailed infor= mation. (I have a symling dvd -> cd0=0A> so it fits to=0A> the manpage.) Of= course, you don't need ISO-9660 for data=0A> DVDs, you=0A> could record ta= r archives onto them directly, but that's=0A> another topic.=0A> =0A=0AI'll= look into that. I was planning on using dump/restore=0Afor most the system= , then using tar for selected directories=0Ain /var.=0A=0A> =0A> =0A> > At = one point when doing a Google search for "fxp" I=0A> came across this messa= ge:=0A> > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2008-10/m= sg00340.html=0A> > Call for testers: fxp(4) WOL=A0 <- My card!=0A> =0A> The= fxp NIC is an Intel one, right? I still have one, works=0A> good, and=0A> = is excellently supported.=0A=0Ayes. Mine is old though (Intel 82558)=0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> > At that point, I decided to install the FreeBSD=0A> testin= g release=0A> > (7.x).=0A> =0A> Testing? A release isn't for testing, it's = for a productive=0A> and functional=0A> system. If you intend testing, you = would require the latest=0A> sources from=0A> HEAD, which is 8-CURRENT at t= he moment.=0A=0AIt went stable by the time I installed it.=0A> =0A> =0A=0A> =0A> > I finally installed FreeBSD 7.2 (release) on May 9,=0A> 2009= . However, I=0A> > now note some feature creep:=0A> > In addition to file/p= rint and backup server, I want=0A> to:=0A> > 1. Have it sleep when not in u= se (part of the delay=0A> was figuring out=0A> > how to get the router to s= end the magic packet. I read=0A> RFC's to=0A> > determine the proper way, a= nd found a "hack" that will=0A> work on my=0A> > floppy-based router for my= network set-up (send it=0A> every DHCP lease).=0A> Are you talking about t= he "wake on LAN" feature?=0AYes.=0AMy old NIC requires a specially-crafted = packet to wake up.=0A> =0A>=A0 =0A> > 2. I think I want to move the Voice/F= ax/Modem to the=0A> machine. Recently=0A> > I realised a lack of WakeOnRing= may impair phone answering if machine=0A> > is sleeping.=0A> =0A> I think = that's been calling "wake on modem"... it reminds=0A> me to a funny=0A> acc= ident when a customer told me that when his phone rings,=0A> his computer= =0A> starts up. :-)=0A=0AI'm hoping the serial port interrupt will be enoug= h.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> > 3. I still hope to do "other things" once the machi= ne is working=0A> > reliably.=0A> FreeBSD's good load management should mak= e this possible.=0A> =0AMay need to compile a custom kernel to free some me= mory.=0Aavail memory with generic: 237 MB of 256.=0A=0ANot a priority thoug= h.=0A> =0A> =0A=0A> > I hope with the server properly set up, win98 = may even be usable=0A> > again: just do a clean install every morning!=0A >= Doesn't it reinstall automatically by itself? :-)=0A=0AOver a 100Mbps netw= ork, a 700MB image will take over a=0Aminute to transfer.=0AActually, that = is not bad.=0A =0A=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AJames Phillips=0A=0APS: forgot= to cc the list.=0A=0A=0A=0A _________________________________________= _________________________=0AYahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on = the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now=0Ahttp://ca.too= lbar.yahoo.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:12:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CC81065695 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@webmail.maxiscale.com) Received: from k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.189.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B13218FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9934 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 20:12:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO owa.webmail.maxiscale.com) (72.167.52.135) by k2smtpout02-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.189.90) with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2009 20:12:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:18:14 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How is time zone change signalled? Thread-Index: AcoXlOZFdssebuFeSvi1dLShl8jcnwABN8YA References: <4A7C4007.9000506@FreeBSD.org> <4A7C7E75.5000503@FreeBSD.org> From: "Peter Steele" To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How is time zone change signalled? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:12:40 -0000 >I wonder if you'd get more insight by asking the question in -hackers. >Perhaps there are some libc experts listening there. Well, I still haven't found the magic so I'll try my luck there... Thanks for the feedback. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:18:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE5F106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C241E8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1632489bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9dhneRrWH37ukky3Vb3jezuX8PetJZnuA5+M2PUGk1I=; b=qRfnrhwCQ4xbU4ul3WtnxarW7ozYaLvX28x4dIn5fbaIWjqYUbinfXd0Uo+9pMnc/i evXcjb8sc2EKFNXz8k03oDrxcGt8gqYYp3pdas9MnSyXUfzGSn0fqZpi7sfSjk+6Zf0D hAXIC4r1DXdeE3ashCIxhGAA4X87/Uv0Zi+Oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=syJEWrIWuQLkvEetouOcun8W0qHk1+a+SoCR1UBohtPhqJakThRvhWx6Xvy6cIaNaW oOznWug4qL5jOnuEQ837EeEiejILMt46I7+Dyj4pFi3wnbmyVT4MkBAVtGrjC7caL6Jt wKz9+Z8ROCAGfN8FIWW222f0Xeq+KFink92sQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.123.83 with SMTP id o19mr3552769bkr.12.1249676311522; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:18:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 92e3a33ab6ed7219 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908071318p66a6e76bwedda5f88623e019d@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Erik Trulsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:18:33 -0000 >> > I think you should start by reading the manual pages for fsck and >> > fsck_ffs. I would start with 'fsck_ffs -fp /dev/yourdevicenode'. Okay, back in the data center. I ran fsck_ffs -fp on my root file system and it returned with no errors. It just printed some information about number of files, used, free space, etc., ending with the interesting fact of .3% fragmentation. Then I reran it without the -fp and it printed Phase 1 - Phase 5, no errors, and again some info on the files. So, it looks like there is nothing wrong with the root partition. Which again raises the question, why won't it mount during the boot process? I'm going to try booting with verbose logging and see what that last line printed is... -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:21:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ED11065675 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334E28FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1868473fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BCvyZXFCbboWR44ax9H37oF8eJUIqHEfrP+iUyrbQlw=; b=RkP5+0KHydl8bWVFtdHdczO51XUsA7EyFWJTtPY9J1y9ndhMxYBviJag1XAUccZUnr GRLaflQX0NWeOrBLuYWpNCnx7o4hYQ6AlPJfEaQSWqktmY+wBYrd7pj0yE1Z1MxXoP+7 46nybhsxGf+fflJDYNL1TX9wc09pymP2yeODU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=r3rzRifU9GHWi86l3sqUsB36ilhl1WmHm97Zvp9dSNx9m835JQPJei90Xao0l0L+Rk DGic58anPJ1LFeR5//5n20nZx2inDY2H4Q+g+D5IYf3ZpS0s1c171z4E4vyMPqZwFRI0 uumWq0eVB00/6KegELUzx7k2yWnQPCBYZIDZg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.112.205 with SMTP id x13mr3491475bkp.170.1249676513310; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070731u546d6dfck6c9b9b1d66e1e6fa@mail.gmail.com> <991123400908070746t7f9ed6ddy77450aec98885618@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070808k38d2e4b0ke28c6c420deaa433@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:21:53 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7b3db49b6913e509 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908071321t2beecdehad1859ffbe54b388@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Tim Judd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:21:54 -0000 > Non-printable-character (NPC) > > NPCs may be a culprit for a file that used to work, now doesn't. =A0Or a > inode oddity. > > I've been following this thread but haven't chipped in because of > timing (you driving to the datacenter). > > Here's what I'd consider: > =A0# mv /etc/fstab /etc/old-fstab > > and recreate a fstab from hand. =A0Example: > > /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 I guess I could use the existing fstab as a model... just retype it using v= i. I checked the date on fstab... it hasn't been changed since the server was installed, but I guess it's worth a try. Thanks for the idea. > I doubt controller or disk problems, since a livecd can mount it. =A0a > fsck -y on a clean filesystem won't report anything. You were right about this. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:38:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE97106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anti_spam256@yahoo.ca) Received: from web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61C518FC1F for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 99843 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2009 20:38:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1249677486; bh=YhygcRPQdHAt3H1+wSL7oF/bp0nYxJcqXB3kzIsZj4w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q+lsg7cv6lxJA6ubXUPvz9VgErH7mpO7fRFyrdVgKCOkMuhdJM0oH/BKePoF34M7RL3R7AUO0LvFNzERux9GAu28BOVleWq6RRFMPQqApo1Kcu3udiqIksTO4SpIQ7pymcgv+dbNUva00pGPuEizg6b9hk/EdDQTHRTos2c3N2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lmrQ05KBQQxh4kDYHPtnEiFR0hrd6Ldd57JY7loqpgLU1Bh8Watp8vPo9GjF6XgFd/D2YwHJbYFHvwp4P0aT2GVOKPJizteJzpjvA8xl97Kqj+GCpChaH0tHPVuSD2mUPLeKyjjVdvsyTVvKP2Jyc5N13hyH4IPVgPa8gGkB1MM=; Message-ID: <785835.98681.qm@web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AnMdPycVM1nSDgoG_c9wrgQM3P4IAH5HwBH8IgdNF_bgzqynhbm6ZWK77IfMMPiOXNn1cO3ci1EhxVwZsutPSkmAr5SUVfB6UrfaA1ATA60RuafEtErtA3zDvZDr87c3yehZT0zTK..Cxdiuy0t6ucy0wVlXwu7LD3amFeuQLtXEqfU6WpqRxQcJL7z3zAD35SfGqfrJ6GsOC.L4fkS9I7rIppKMhiQLJiRwZgRqK6.hs16YTrdlAn2EY11rz9zcX1CRuV5S6I75Emg6AbTfZPYygl5rfss213OzqcbzQacwiiQ7yebRTrLVnydLnG6l6oOvStg- Received: from [208.99.137.71] by web65502.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:38:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: James Phillips To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090807090100.100251065675@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:38:08 -0000 --- On Fri, 8/7/09, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 02:04:16 +0200 > From: Polytropon > On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300, Manolis Kiagias > wrote: > > Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the > fact Windows > > forces the users (and admins) to a completely > different way of thinking > > than FreeBSD. > > That's true. It's even hard to communicate with "'Windows' > admins" > because of a completey different and misleading terminology > - and > sadly often the lack of understanding what they're talking > about. I don't believe half the windows dialog boxes. Why would "checking for available disk space" (win 98 installation) take more than 2 seconds? > > > > > The various wizards abstract way too many parts of > the > > system, to the point where you can configure services > you don't really > > understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and > there are many > > 'recommended' defaults along the way). > > Insecure mode: This is the mode you want. Select it NOW! > :-) > I completely understand the reasoning behind "disabled by defaul." It means it doesn't work until you (hopefully) learn what you are doing. That said, following the handbook, I managed to enable ssh twice: one as a stand-alone process, and once as part of inetd. > > > > Yes. As I said (elsewhere), FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS. > It does > not know what you are intending to use it for, and it > doesn't make > any assumptions. So you have to communicate your > requirements to the > system. This requires a certain knowledge, of course. > Yes, I learned this with Linux. For Debian the install program works a little like a "wizard," but to maintain the system, you need to learn what you are doing. Reboots don't magically fix or break things. > > Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy > running for > a lifetime. :-) > I love and hate that about *nix :D -James __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:41:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CAD10656B6 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319D28FC22 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1880039fxm.36 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:41:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hJjsH7fzw328ZY1+itJOdc424/xM542zOXecD2CXA98=; b=Jqad6vEX8vqYRD4mGWylBJn6YLimU2jPfLKo2KgMIJMviEqnLpKGbDGekIl7Clr3mT 2j1uwYFjkixfnHZTcdnYso/FlV0dAXQ8xTWO4vGoMY02IIka1dl/CgeZlYMx1EV1njoS u0daO4klNq26qYyLLiTqVM7xlfawuyZYASqnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oDE+ifY+QVu0v1ER5vuBEQA+1YL7miyErv4/Y+6y2WSdZ1lIZvNW/5ZL49KCsQaLDa NvQnuRqwcrlKHaE4KFjjIbufNTmOeUzPjjAe3yNIMUQLmahRTUAhSlDadUkkpTB8e4m7 oxP1WCk9malaRyO7MGfG07hERgqbUqUWeQ9zA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.64.148 with SMTP id e20mr859138bki.147.1249677717160; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:41:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908071318p66a6e76bwedda5f88623e019d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4d4e09680908071318p66a6e76bwedda5f88623e019d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908071341i2d503819h2d6a55b885db5b56@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jalmberg@identry.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:42:00 -0000 > Okay, back in the data center. I ran fsck_ffs -fp on my root file > system and it returned with no errors. It just printed some > information about number of files, used, free space, etc., ending with > the interesting fact of .3% fragmentation. > > Then I reran it without the -fp and it printed Phase 1 - Phase 5, no > errors, and again some info on the files. > > So, it looks like there is nothing wrong with the root partition. > Which again raises the question, why won't it mount during the boot > process? > > I'm going to try booting with verbose logging and see what that last > line printed is... Well, something got worse. After running fsck_ffs with no errors, I tried to boot the machine. It got to the point where it printed: Booting from BIOS Partition 0 PS2 keyboard detected PS2 mouse detected and it just hangs at that point. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:54:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F28E1065732 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629878FC1E for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3E7E818; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:54:45 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:54:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> <200908051048.03079.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8250ac3f0908060754u714379dw51948c0ac858a8da@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_USJfKal++N1uTlV" Message-Id: <200908071254.44524.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Kalle =?iso-8859-1?q?M=F8ller?= , janos.mohacsi@bsd.hu Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:54:46 -0000 --Boundary-00=_USJfKal++N1uTlV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 06 August 2009 06:54:52 Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it > seemd to be a list of the files used ?? Try attached patch. Checking WITH_PYTHON now. Also fixed pkg-install while = I=20 was in there to respect a FLOWD_UID variable, so that one can assign a uid= =20 rather then using the next available. =2D-=20 Mel --Boundary-00=_USJfKal++N1uTlV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; name="flowd-fix.patch.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="flowd-fix.patch.txt" Index: net-mgmt/flowd/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net-mgmt/flowd/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 Makefile --- net-mgmt/flowd/Makefile 13 Jul 2009 16:22:56 -0000 1.14 +++ net-mgmt/flowd/Makefile 7 Aug 2009 20:44:36 -0000 @@ -22,13 +22,14 @@ MAN5= flowd.conf.5 PORTDOCS= README INSTALL FLOWD_USER?= _flowd +.if defined(FLOWD_UID) +SCRIPTS_ENV+= FLOWD_UID="${FLOWD_UID}" +.endif .if defined(WITH_PERL) USE_PERL5= yes PLIST_SUB+= WITH_PERL="" -#MAN3PREFIX= ${PREFIX}/lib/perl5/${PERL_VERSION} -#MAN3= Flowd.3 -BROKEN= Incomplete pkg-plist +MAN3= Flowd.3 .else PLIST_SUB+= WITH_PERL="@comment " .endif @@ -67,9 +68,10 @@ .if defined(WITH_PERL) cd ${WRKSRC}/Flowd-perl && \ - ${PERL} Makefile.PL && \ + ${PERL} Makefile.PL INSTALLSITEMAN3DIR=${MAN3PREFIX}/man/man3 && \ ${GMAKE} && \ - ${GMAKE} install + ${GMAKE} install; + -${RM} -f ${SITE_PERL}/${PERL_ARCH}/perllocal.pod .endif .if defined(WITH_PYTHON) Index: net-mgmt/flowd/pkg-install =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/net-mgmt/flowd/pkg-install,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 pkg-install --- net-mgmt/flowd/pkg-install 4 Jun 2005 00:43:20 -0000 1.2 +++ net-mgmt/flowd/pkg-install 7 Aug 2009 20:16:59 -0000 @@ -20,9 +20,15 @@ shell=/nonexistent fi uhome="/var/empty" + if [ -z "${FLOWD_UID}" ]; then + uid=`${PW} usernext`; + uid=${uid%%:*} + else + uid=${FLOWD_UID} + fi if ! ${PW} show user ${USER} -q >/dev/null; then - if ! ${PW} add user ${USER} -g ${GROUP} -d "${uhome}" \ + if ! ${PW} add user ${USER} -u ${uid} -g ${GROUP} -d "${uhome}" \ -c "flowd privilege separation user" -s "${shell}" -p "*" \ ; then e=$? --Boundary-00=_USJfKal++N1uTlV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 20:56:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C99106568D for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com (mail-bw0-f218.google.com [209.85.218.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC99E8FC26 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1648241bwz.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TguQKSUqbc5sVFHXHbjppzgNx0FFZy7S7nii5AbEysI=; b=CsKwnGKHtMq6klsRb0+TUw0JxdbzaRYjSEUqC+si2/W7Xtv5T4oAatUJ/s0J9ioxux hbIB+5Af9FelAoMXpDycixgRqESiSIoO9Jg8u9KFSln+b9x4MNkqHxBgdzmZCCC7hs2I SEy0XjVevx6KRTN6Psj874bbaCagsKERS18kA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QgZoTEjYFpLc5CVSR/i0Ajv0ZCydBiw7LosdEyfnMPqFTWKsRtYt9ZkC2MxkYJJ94S 6wh24+ouSHVmKDMs53W+XCFi3F3FY2hbr/EvG8RfFKlUd0wsLoy3OxObCLAx+T2FpP9K GP+exyI9LlZK7P/bLvg4npiJigVYXe1FtS/TY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr3532198bkr.105.1249678564711; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908071341i2d503819h2d6a55b885db5b56@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4d4e09680908071318p66a6e76bwedda5f88623e019d@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908071341i2d503819h2d6a55b885db5b56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908071356q31f214c4l1a17bfafe2706ce0@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jalmberg@identry.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:56:06 -0000 > Well, something got worse. After running fsck_ffs with no errors, I > tried to boot the machine. It got to the point where it printed: > > > Booting from BIOS Partition 0 > PS2 keyboard detected > PS2 mouse detected > > and it just hangs at that point. Worse and worse... The machine won't boot from the CD anymore. I can't even get it into SETUP. It just hangs on this screen: (I had hit F2 to enter setup) Version 1.17.1057 Copyright 2005-2007 American Megatrends, Inc Entering SETUP.... Bios Version: S5000.86B ... etc Platform ID: S5000PAL 8 GB system memory found Current Memory Speed: 667 MT/s (333 MHz) Intel Xeon CPU E5345 @ 2.33Ghz Intel Xeon CPU E5345 @ 2.33 Ghz Booting from BIOS Partition 0 PS2 keyboard detected PS2 mouse detected The same thing happens if I don't hit F2, except it says Hit F2 to enter SETUP at the top. Well... I guess we are back to hardware problem? I'm not sure what else to try at this point. -- John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 21:00:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A038C106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705CF8FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B937E818; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:00:06 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:00:05 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <20090804112624.GB19171@marge.bs.l> <200908061537.34431.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <20090807112130.GA15761@marge.bs.l> In-Reply-To: <20090807112130.GA15761@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908071300.05751.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Bertram Scharpf Subject: Re: Mouse still crashes with Synaptics X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:00:07 -0000 On Friday 07 August 2009 03:21:30 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > Hi, > > Am Donnerstag, 06. Aug 2009, 15:37:34 -0800 schrieb Mel Flynn: > > On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:46:21 Bertram Scharpf wrote: > > > > You might get some help on freebsd-x11 list. > > As I mentioned twice I manage to reproduce the problem just > calling "dd". It is definitely not an X11 issue. > > I really made great effort on pointing this out. This is very > disappointing. I have reasons to mention the freebsd-x11 list. One being that the synaptics X11 driver is the primary - if not sole - consumer of any support in psm for it. But feel free to find a list that suits you more. I doubt anyone here is willing to disappoint you more. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 21:18:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED8E106566C for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E858FC21 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n77LHhla046045; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:17:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 22A43BA9B; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:17:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:17:43 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: jalmberg@identry.com Message-ID: <20090807211743.GA48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070825h6f42e692t8cf0baa4f10f9cc@mail.gmail.com> <20090807154009.GB39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070926y40c6463au2666fd0b085ab3af@mail.gmail.com> <20090807165707.GA51779@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4d4e09680908071318p66a6e76bwedda5f88623e019d@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908071341i2d503819h2d6a55b885db5b56@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908071341i2d503819h2d6a55b885db5b56@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:18:20 -0000 --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 04:41:57PM -0400, Identry wrote: > > Okay, back in the data center. I ran fsck_ffs -fp on my root file > > system and it returned with no errors. It just printed some > > information about number of files, used, free space, etc., ending with > > the interesting fact of .3% fragmentation. > > > > Then I reran it without the -fp and it printed Phase 1 - Phase 5, no > > errors, and again some info on the files. That's good news. Then at least your filesystems are OK. > > So, it looks like there is nothing wrong with the root partition. > > Which again raises the question, why won't it mount during the boot > > process? > > > > I'm going to try booting with verbose logging and see what that last > > line printed is... >=20 > Well, something got worse. After running fsck_ffs with no errors, I > tried to boot the machine. It got to the point where it printed: >=20 > > Booting from BIOS Partition 0 > PS2 keyboard detected > PS2 mouse detected >=20 > and it just hangs at that point. Well, if it won't load the OS from disk, but you can mount the partitions when booting from CD, I'd guess that there could be some issue with your MegaRAID card. It could be that the megaraid card needs more time to get ready than a normal boot gives it. Are you sure that the card is OK? If you can get your hands on a spare megaRAID card, maybe you should try to switch them?=20 If not, you're booting from the drives attached to this card, yes? So reboot and try to get inside the BIOS of the card and see if that can tell you something... When booting the card should display a message about how to enter the cards setup. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp8mfcACgkQEnfvsMMhpyX7twCgpbrOHGr8/Cz+TCWku92FAXBD VvkAn3d5OjMKTI+TKo5tYzHBFpUB3FbU =n8tG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HlL+5n6rz5pIUxbD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 21:21:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48572106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B428F8FC23 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n77LKoG0082420; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:20:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 15B40BA9B; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:20:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:20:50 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Identry Message-ID: <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cmJC7u66zC7hs+87" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:21:26 -0000 --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 11:47:58AM -0400, Identry wrote: > > Realize that if you upgrade to 7.x, you'll have to remove and reinstall > > all ports because the version number of shared system libraries will > > have changed. >=20 > Yes, I've decided this is way too complicated. >=20 > >> Or would it be safer to try to bring up the machine on it's own with a > >> 6.2 generic kernel, first? > > > > Seeing as how you can mount the partitions on the drive perfectly by > > hand, maybe it was just a glitch. Have you tried rebooting again? >=20 > Yes. It won't even boot into single user or safe mode. It hangs when > it tries to mount the root partition. >=20 > > If it still doesn't work, try getting into the boot menu and see if the > > drive looks OK from there. >=20 > Not exactly sure what you mean... How can I see what the drive looks > like from the boot menu? Sorry if this is a total newbie question... Well, if you enter the FreeBSD boot code, you get a menu. One of the choices is "escape to loader prompt" IIRC. But from your other emails I can see that you're not even getting into the boot loader... Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp8mrIACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVEVQCcCPrcfd3aU/er+mu3dlWG9Fll asMAn1vIdZTIR9PHWjbnuGfRxBOmdaBm =f1Zt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 21:39:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426ED1065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B338FC15 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so2823788ywh.27 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eIGvM8gAMLr7Ts0pFktLQVJyWMLuNWVnLl7RB8FakIA=; b=v64hzdPkNIqxHv2ptmRgfLWkbSW1KL1MU6w6UM2zxOvn36SsFPfx9XyPgOQMvFVx9F C0LkfwmhNWy32TJuTht7ImO6Pq5yBB4JkCebQK7CmUTQ0ad+k5dKDlwKHI14opXttWYg 3KliOdXkTleIcHKNneVe1Or/LQME0+2UQRW78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kbyhOUUtq8Hrf7KuBgQ6+V2c61YhvviFpQsizy+uJExobQvrF0TjG2EjnFY3gYka3/ 8nRk0tWLy7WIZugMad/MvL0fs3jkB/hoJSBMk24IoFjlAqQ8fNATJqggR/mqNd37Wrjs JMjyePk8Tp+pUj7Bd0cUvxA/4S4PAiff8eIqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr957773anh.183.1249681187133; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:39:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:39:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Identry , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:39:48 -0000 On 8/7/09, Roland Smith wrote: > Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. Sadly, I agree. Reset BIOS CMOS data (hardware jumper on motherboard) Enter RAID controller BIOS, (re)set your "boot drive" But it looks like a fundamental BIOS control issue is malfunctioning. Do you have a PCI Diagnostics card? One like the following? http://www.uxd.com/phdpci.shtml (I'm not saying that exact model, but rather a device that is able to see BIOS codes through the PCI bus that can tell very technical detail to tech support at the motherboard's vendor (you said Intel, right?).) Hardware rarely up and dies. Have you tried swapping RAM chips out, or re-ordering them to see if it might be a RAM problem? Maybe we're not passing POST, or that we're passing POST but the bootable device list is not finding bootable medium. These kind of issues intrigue me, because it is out of the norm, and why did it happen. I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it fixes, or until you exhaust your options. Have any kind of support contract with the OEM? --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 22:02:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87AE106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cstankevitz@toyon.com) Received: from smtp1.toyon.com (206-190-77-154.static.twtelecom.net [206.190.77.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9712C8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.1.101] (hosts253.toyon.com [65.160.147.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.toyon.com (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n77M7OHH008572 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: <4A7CA47A.80401@toyon.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:02:34 -0700 From: Chris Stankevitz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4A7B8FD1.9040003@toyon.com> In-Reply-To: <4A7B8FD1.9040003@toyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Strange timing when reading from the serial port X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:02:35 -0000 Chris Stankevitz wrote: > Q: What is the source of the alternating +/- 5ms bias that comes and > goes every few seconds? This helps: add these lines to /boot/device.hints and reboot hint.sio.0.flags="0x20" hint.sio.1.flags="0x20" Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 22:21:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680021065673 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61E38FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZXo8-0002Zs-0q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:21:04 +0000 Received: from pool-71-166-138-187.washdc.east.verizon.net ([71.166.138.187]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:21:04 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-71-166-138-187.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:21:04 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:21:08 -0400 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-166-138-187.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:21:06 -0000 Tim Judd wrote: > On 8/7/09, Roland Smith wrote: > >> Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. > > > > Sadly, I agree. > > > Reset BIOS CMOS data (hardware jumper on motherboard) > Enter RAID controller BIOS, (re)set your "boot drive" > > But it looks like a fundamental BIOS control issue is malfunctioning. > > Do you have a PCI Diagnostics card? One like the following? > > http://www.uxd.com/phdpci.shtml > > (I'm not saying that exact model, but rather a device that is able to > see BIOS codes through the PCI bus that can tell very technical detail > to tech support at the motherboard's vendor (you said Intel, right?).) > > Hardware rarely up and dies. Have you tried swapping RAM chips out, > or re-ordering them to see if it might be a RAM problem? > > > Maybe we're not passing POST, or that we're passing POST but the > bootable device list is not finding bootable medium. > > > These kind of issues intrigue me, because it is out of the norm, and > why did it happen. Sometimes I've seen when a hard drive gets old and the head movement mechanism is worn the drive can have problems properly locating the head over track 0. I've also noted that sometimes even when it can find track 0 it couldn't read the mbr. If this happens because of a bad spot has developed in the magnetic media there's nothing at this point that can be done. If it's just worn head slop sometimes you can write out a fresh mbr and use it for a while longer, but the problem will return worse later. Using smartmontools and smartctl test/diags to get a test dump from the drive can be useful at times to decide if replacement is warranted. > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. Have any kind of support > contract with the OEM? > > --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 22:31:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C341065670 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1AB8FC08 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62032105F9; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:13:35 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: io8DJtMRh+Ue7rGFRl6bYh9IYmMbQ3H74VAixiG+YHsr 1249683215 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F394D1E4C6; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: Olivier Nicole In-Reply-To: <200908071142.n77BgWKF034276@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:13:33 -0500 References: <200908071142.n77BgWKF034276@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cleaning email X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:31:11 -0000 On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Olivier Nicole wrote: > reading around the FAQ for FreeBSD mailing list, I see that the > mailing list server does some message cleaning (converting HTML to > text, etc). > I don't want just any solution, that works more or less, but the very > well tested solution used by FreeBSD mailing lists. On the mailing list this is done by the mailing list system, mailman, which is in ports/mail/mailman. But the cleaning stuff is just part of a much larger system (mailing list management), so I don't think you can get it to do what you want. There is a milter, ports/mail/mime-defang which, while it can do many other things (that you don't need to enable, also does this. I haven't used it in more than 5 years, so I can't speak for how well it works. But I did set it up for an organization that had lots of Outhouse users on desktops that were vulnerable to malicious HTML. mimedefang is also useful for blocking certain types of attachments as well. There may be better, special purpose tools that do what you want. You could also look at the mailman source (python) to see how it does its cleaning. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 7 22:49:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0FD106564A for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDD08FC16 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n77MnFqI049096; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:49:40 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: RW Message-ID: <20090807224940.GB94684@thought.org> References: <20090807003338.GC83349@thought.org> <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090807142320.0dcae186@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KDE3 --> KDE4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:49:46 -0000 On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:23:20PM +0100, RW wrote: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 > Gary Kline wrote: > > i'd be interested in Paul's question. it may be that kde3 > > is sopping up waaaay to much disc space. only have 6.5g > > left.... > > KDE4 makes KDE3 look like Fluxbox. > > I can't remember the exact figures on /usr, but I maintain my ccache > by timestamp, and it rose from 3.2GB to 7.9GB after adding KDE4. And > that 3.2GB figure included kde3 (including KOffice), xfce, fluxbox, > windowmaker, icewm and numerous gui and server applications. > Ah, thanks for the clue! Good that I only use the tts stuff. i also like AmaroK; not sure what that's part of, tho. Other than OOo and the GUI browsers, I'm a CLI type. gary PS: I would go back to CTWM, but I lost my .ctwmrc and it was huge... > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 01:29:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC96106566C for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BBC8FC1F for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so781773qwe.7 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pQuCOrSpyYLg00aq8QBgIJgadj8OuBKLf6d45b2h3ZU=; b=Pj9xnWOT9rc2rg3wMRD07gxrh0XJG3MJk6GSunCEa360joUN59jDjt8Eb+6o6k76Zl nET+zOeem72yYZ3YAzEOnLLCsSesDRbeGw+1HdSmAZ1hS6sIli6tkzmNTsJEocE4UI7r ZYbJpGBtBoM7eIA8Z/zGSdnCzqlgu5kDEwSa8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pqMHnB/qOSfpZsRRFJhhlAH0mc6jE6PSXVieZtj+54ryEmwBZtbPYmJ0VQn5QZ6cST iXRAelJsPALRCpd1a6C5+CHAaR6rImOyukzzlabmvFVIccpS3YqqB6ww8PIhXWwKeBF3 AoA6tsyoLPTvxp1JZqBYnUeKf0x+fkvvtjJP0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.85.21 with SMTP id m21mr850015qcl.9.1249694959463; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: <11167f520908071829s10a0bb12ybe57f5a03f40e8d2@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Aggregate DSL connections with PF X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:29:21 -0000 I found the following links online, I am wondering is this possible using pf and netgraph instead? http://www.michaelbrumm.com/how-to-aggregate-bandwidth.html http://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product.aspx?product_id=1009&tab=features Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 06:42:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D08106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829758FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZfdQ-0001uF-0t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:42:32 +0000 Received: from 193.33.173.33 ([193.33.173.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:42:32 +0000 Received: from c.kworr by 193.33.173.33 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:42:32 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:42:22 +0300 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20090803050458.GA81711@saturn.pcs.ms> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.33.173.33 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090724 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 In-Reply-To: <20090803050458.GA81711@saturn.pcs.ms> Sender: news Subject: Re: Cyrus Imapd with SASL, authenticate against AD Windows 2003 with Kerberos5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:42:36 -0000 Martin Schweizer wrote: > So I have now no more ideas where I can check. Any hints are welcome. I have done almost the same thing, only with pam: > grep sasl /etc/rc.conf saslauthd_enable='yes' saslauthd_flags='-apam -n1' > cat /etc/pam.d/imap auth required pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 06:54:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB681065670 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE488FC20 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZfoj-0002Ga-70 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:54:13 +0000 Received: from 193.33.173.33 ([193.33.173.33]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:54:13 +0000 Received: from c.kworr by 193.33.173.33 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:54:13 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:54:02 +0300 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <20090408142932.695c07ce@summersault.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.33.173.33 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090724 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 In-Reply-To: <20090408142932.695c07ce@summersault.com> Sender: news Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:54:14 -0000 Mark Stosberg wrote: > I'll just say it plainly: > > /var/db/pkg is long gone and there is no backup. It was not copied to > new a machine. > > Is there is any hope of being able to use the ports or packages system in a > meangingful way again? > > My sense is that some recovery is possible, but may be prohibitively expensive. > > Thanks for any tips! There are a lot of common places the files would be installed such as bin, sbin, lib, libexec under %%PREFIX%%. You can use `find dir -type f | xargs -n1 -Ifoo sh -c "echo -n foo:; pkg_which foo"` to obtain the list of known files (pkg_which is part of ports-mgmt/portsupgrade). After that you can reinstall all packages that provide files with missing origin. I bet you should use the same /usr/ports you have last time when /var/db/pkg was full, just to be very close to pkg-plist. Other ways can include moving all %%PREFIX%% to %%PREFIX%%.old and building all ports from scratch. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 08:19:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F73106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44948FC15 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AA34634D420; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:19:14 +0100 (BST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:19:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p2; KDE/4.2.4; amd64; ; ) References: <200908051414.49468.david@vizion2000.net> <20090806233509.7935c23d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20090806233509.7935c23d@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908080919.14590.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: RW Subject: Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:19:18 -0000 > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 > > David Southwell wrote: > > Hi every one > > > > My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for > > systems with Intel Quad Core processors. > > > > It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean > > why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a > > genre? > > The time to complain about that was when they put the "i" in i386. Yep I tried to email intel to tell them using uucp on my unix system from a Sirius on an 8086 but intel were not on email at the time!!! David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 11:02:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91C1065670 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA548FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2049386ewy.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qYn56nNjvzdpMdt/0PvdA6xn4zs5cgp8+l/ATJC2ZIM=; b=M7rVnc4odO8DHNJi0xZ24tV9ZeXgbZNvc4OtJxziamjXAyy85Y0T7WQfV4ldzbCUmN 4vwR9LuTTAR3BncbUW8B5vn3rXMOCg7W5vrMrCkWFpLrsqUIV1mFvTgFnIIhEAocg9j0 jV2Ym4EEXQXBdnnl0f0OW/llXVnD2rq97Y4PA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=QsV3OV+mQOhHbf1W1kNF3raKayBKr4VFZvCJuWQxZMWjYESYGOuWE7KNDaOD5D873G 9y1oACLied8QwzqN80D+1LJI6fNajRSumhZO1ncUP4Dufx5DPjP4BVkRKm8/nB2j19lA fwBRX8SW/+BwRqTYyJuPxXxth7bWK44iPUBGw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.19 with SMTP id j19mr446665wea.46.1249729325198; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:02:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Volodymyr Kostyrko Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:02:07 -0000 >There are a lot of common places the files would be installed such as >bin, sbin, lib, libexec under %%PREFIX%%. You can use `find dir -type f >| xargs -n1 -Ifoo sh -c "echo -n foo:; pkg_which foo"` to obtain the >list of known files (pkg_which is part of ports-mgmt/portsupgrade). >After that you can reinstall all packages that provide files with >missing origin. I bet you should use the same /usr/ports you have last >time when /var/db/pkg was full, just to be very close to pkg-plist. Er, except that pkg_which uses the portupgrade package database which is installed by default in -- you guessed it -- /var/db/pkg. So if you don't have it backed up somewhere, or don't have PKG_DBDIR defined to a non-default location, you're out of luck. And if it is still intact, __back it up__ before calling any of the pkgtools -- or you may wipe it out as pkg_which does an automatic update of the pkgdb after seeing that /var/db/pkg has been modified more recently than the database. Just use pkg_glob -qOa -- no need to use pkg_which. If you don't have it, you can: 1) use data recovery tools to try to read the names of the subdirectories of /var/db/pkg from the disk; or 2) write a script to get the names of all files that belonged to ports and swing through a ports tree, associating the files with ports via the pkg-plist and PLIST_FILES variables; or 3) rip out all the old junk, and try to start afresh. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 11:53:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1E71065700 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2788FC0A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1308436bwz.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eDZCU618afXeu/yNIbPZvfgy/eWTQKdc0hV7qVrMtyw=; b=n99NtGafhmQUqFlJM5q/f9h0oW5/UnzA552VUKh+TxAk2wgLiaYhvedTLdSIEQLwzo Qf9oNl454B88b/OUPg5LW9W2q5ISSjIE0DwBjVJnpJso2VX81HbBgI8tYvVZ2XsGxTdd 5EYRYWFV8hcfUqhv8X3t58U36OT+q+vRb5VFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KU9A1Z/JEUWYWE5cGwkklkVmxTtJ1AME+EynfnNbNhR4sgEnuTzXnUNBK286zhR7R3 AKyMwlmiyKWfQsef3669I5C7vEmXmzsLthnRuR49gUlzZsUK8aNeAhj16L5SVfnanL7T 2IDcxoKiUS39ZOK0uDnfJzfnZ3SILZ4GoBj6o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.61.207 with SMTP id u15mr1678355bkh.97.1249732420458; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:53:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:53:40 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7656f1ff59e2a6e7 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: Tim Judd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Roland Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:53:43 -0000 >> Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. > > Sadly, I agree. > > Reset BIOS CMOS data (hardware jumper on motherboard) > Enter RAID controller BIOS, (re)set your "boot drive" > > But it looks like a fundamental BIOS control issue is malfunctioning. > > Do you have a PCI Diagnostics card? =A0One like the following? > > http://www.uxd.com/phdpci.shtml > > (I'm not saying that exact model, but rather a device that is able to > see BIOS codes through the PCI bus that can tell very technical detail > to tech support at the motherboard's vendor (you said Intel, right?).) > > Hardware rarely up and dies. =A0Have you tried swapping RAM chips out, > or re-ordering them to see if it might be a RAM problem? > > Maybe we're not passing POST, or that we're passing POST but the > bootable device list is not finding bootable medium. > > These kind of issues intrigue me, because it is out of the norm, and > why did it happen. > > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. =A0Have any kind of support > contract with the OEM? I do have a support contract and I'm going to dump this right in their lap. Two machines we bought from them -- pretty expensive ones -- and both have had hardware failures. And they are only a couple of years old. I'm not too happy with them at the moment. Well, I need to focus on getting my poor customers back online, so will have to put this problem aside for the weekend. As usual, thanks for the help and support from all. FreeBSD is the best OS, and this group is the best (by far) support group I've ever belonged to. I do appreciate it and I hope someday I'll know enough to give the kind of help I've gotten here. Brgds: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 11:54:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1145106567E for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from identry@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D828FC2E for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1308668bwz.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+GHqtIbbjsEfeBorLx+AqLfl2kWRTRxYChuykZkN5jA=; b=puaFnZp5Ab4xsmthrPeXHZA6RCLnFzG499Mvk1Ul+jn5RxVFdlYT6OHxPY+hhRwxCE ebSl3q0DxZzNms8P36BuLmozNn6yJUV7JcrBqzUirPXc79i5nPxde1leu9NmopoLramj 4IPrDm5TKICy1+iXdWL2V4opAI6y1XtfnHGT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=wYKGccAVAIeTWH1atBQYpqpmuXANtjV9Iy4uTwZrnb1vz/D68EmfcHYmlKTTfHHeHv 9pMflK+PXmXJfm+5z00cLJVb8GREVydfdJP8LtcncL8TEljG2PeHuNRdnyXw1QJTY3hY id9xPcvd4nkGZfQTZ57PQ31RUoqFs0bdvZMf8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: identry@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.124.7 with SMTP id s7mr4087967bkr.105.1249732492316; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:54:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d4e09680908061012q6ea8aeacm875c556eaea7a54f@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:54:52 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a34167dcd60e4cf8 Message-ID: <4d4e09680908080454v613c5771gda44e2998a1a049c@mail.gmail.com> From: Identry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:54:54 -0000 > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. =A0Have any kind of support > contract with the OEM? I do have a support contract and I'm going to dump this right in their lap. Two machines we bought from them -- pretty expensive ones -- and both have had hardware failures. And they are only a couple of years old. I'm not too happy with them at the moment. Well, I need to focus on getting my poor customers back online, so will have to put this problem aside for the weekend. As usual, thanks for the help and support from all. FreeBSD is the best OS, and this group is the best (by far) support group I've ever belonged to. I do appreciate it and I hope someday I'll know enough to give the kind of help I've gotten here. Brgds: John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 13:39:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3211065676 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261558FC27 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n78DcPXl077381; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6C116BA8D; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: Identry Message-ID: <20090808133825.GA74006@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Tim Judd , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:39:02 -0000 --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:53:40AM -0400, Identry wrote: > >> Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. > > > > Sadly, I agree. > > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. =A0Have any kind of support > > contract with the OEM? >=20 > I do have a support contract and I'm going to dump this right in their > lap. Two machines we bought from them -- pretty expensive ones -- and > both have had hardware failures. And they are only a couple of years > old. I'm not too happy with them at the moment. For computers, that is already old these days. At $WORK the Dell computers (both desktops and servers AFAIK) that we use are ditched at the first problem after the warranty runs out which is after three years, I believe. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp9f9EACgkQEnfvsMMhpyV2UgCgpMhlfxJcGqK6wH4zeXPxpWQF rFcAnRxuNrikyjhQzmVEGb3agUu8koiB =6xIv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:12:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2755106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DE528FC26 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26547 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 14:12:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:X-Virus-Status:X-Virus-Scanned:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=caBnpVNxm4Z43vxsQx1l1RdU4WiRx2ysvsG11ZXh/B9gen2fY+xH5qKx/eYFqz/DmjsQieFCZtkYgjtpmpvv4jvbxCWnH9URcKkv0kpQy+m1huM9PYgI8/6bJqZbv+25p3Ew46G64CeJ0Kce2GXQUev5WJz+kG6QMH3vpzfJ4ao= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Aug 2009 07:12:17 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: Se1ixuUVM1mD_8I3Zzru8QqWWHnVzP6UQMhkzPmw5mMo6UH.XnwjJ088q0NGI.TQrIxgsHz02hvk0bmRQIFjYJ1eeEHCiqHO7rDl75h8QGYV9yWOQnNplYjrtaEbnhAtHLvSpIw89uBRrc6t.wbvM.2Y9lEHMRZskmAYn660CWtUeBhK3ziE50pVd0uVMIqCXprAzIdP.9DOagusOLDaarWwyEi6YTUadQi8jxTNbcS91Zszi98THJXX_eD4EoytgguvRQSYzFiaEh05h0C9HLBujzftfM3LvJWfhmTuJ7n3gQ48EkCGaCY.AdT.g_E4Wyb9yYY0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B713522910 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:12:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:12:16 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808101216.42d3813c@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20090808133825.GA74006@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A7B1B41.7090507@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908061733v21602321x252a7111a7648ad6@mail.gmail.com> <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> <20090808133825.GA74006@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:12:19 -0000 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0200 Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:53:40AM -0400, Identry wrote: > > >> Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. > > > > > > Sadly, I agree. > > > > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > > > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. =A0Have any kind of > > > support contract with the OEM? > >=20 > > I do have a support contract and I'm going to dump this right in > > their lap. Two machines we bought from them -- pretty expensive > > ones -- and both have had hardware failures. And they are only a > > couple of years old. I'm not too happy with them at the moment. >=20 > For computers, that is already old these days. At $WORK the Dell > computers (both desktops and servers AFAIK) that we use are ditched at > the first problem after the warranty runs out which is after three > years, I believe. >=20 > Roland Given the concept of: "Planned (?) Obsolescence", that is probably a wise decision. The problem is that FBSD does not always either partially or fully support new hardware. Updating in such a scenario should therefore be undertaken with extreme care. For example, nVidia cards with 64 bit drivers are not supported in FBSD. Personally, I love nVidia cards; however, this problem has caused me to put off updating my systems temporarily. However, if this problem is not rectified soon, I might have to consider a different OS. Considering that nVidia is already shipping drivers for Win7, both 32 & 64 bit, the fact that they are not supported in FBSD is rather pathetic. --=20 Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Most people in this society who aren't actively mad are, at best, reformed or potential lunatics. Susan Sontag From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:16:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64479106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 141778FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52875 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 14:16:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249740976; bh=hEf/iHdGRVrGnmthqyvK/bErg0dnpLdpXDczt3k3IBU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5ckvAfaNuILS6GQDkZx84VZAUFGOAXN7qqpp2ejJpeZb2PJ4I3es2djWedHQX1SGkhCV2wS1dpRzVlEiwO7YMEoP9/6tzaLlnT35em2kx1gwl5vddJPe2EWwSqDoRN1IvP+E/xV9Mm3/14IDaGa9spqyEuklXdonxjP+TkeqoFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XHzOi1bycaIpZgwPSZ3KB9zVSNecpHTzl1zvmhiZ5dYs43KCIJcAxFo0KAa/kz3V3mLf9lmmTq4q/BPn5vjZQGtT3k6NbRWUlK76uc0mCG0hfMgF5qx2fOzTVVnLqaIYM811hSGCXajHPpTInAweZT/0uYg6HZ4PJO7L38zridc=; Message-ID: <66049.51064.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NeQv6qsVM1mxCT3mE.UMND1lnBuamMPivwjQuQoWDglp_oLJEvXPOx2uhvM5Ybi_XoKwZu5BcV9jn0PxezsFrkPQ53f7G1P4wLkWtSGAF2J5Pjaq7imlnehtnAjwimjl7nkpcm43wwUh61F6JMx1ry6k18ygeNFxFD_81hG3lqC7CIy8YGvF0BbkrKnnAvGZXx2AGyYOGNZF9oH6fUDft17jJTA6RRvg1VmNR9Iolw5JVOaOVs.oBP_H8oo0wptZ.3Os5XxjAknHQNpwNQaPoQ3lokzEv176pRbaZ1zNR0Ucyu7FsaVVOFWmcf0jbOBMDegnCrFU9TI- Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:16:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:16:17 -0000 I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a GENERIC kernel. mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Thinking perhaps a networking issue, I checked the machine is accessible... mobius# ping update.freebsd.org PING update1.FreeBSD.org (72.21.59.252): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=64.557 ms 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=64.580 ms ^C --- update1.FreeBSD.org ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 64.557/64.569/64.580/0.012 ms It responds with update1, so I tried again using update1.freebsd.org (and several others that I could ping) but it always gives me the same response. A quick check of the handbook and the man pages for both freebsd-update(5) and freebsd-update.conf(8) didn't tell me much about this. I'm sure it's something stupidly simple. Does anyone have some ideas? Rich Mahlerwein From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:20:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD63106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f224.google.com (mail-fx0-f224.google.com [209.85.220.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2CE8FC15 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so2253847fxm.36 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B3COfJ4wefjDwAU3GMg/GmTL8SV9uR0VVSCekTtCsH0=; b=Vzd+ImYnFwmBZsvhaLF6I7psloOAYtaOcIuDTJczGaIgXVxAczlrnufrsZUG3T0soK Mof7DuFd+nPTpFVyHA/1aW5Qht5TWAtBoj/bzd+ymHgHyFqMc9weFrE4cmDvqEIAX6iN fCtJFHG4i+x+aILM6Egacvm/3hr/pJTC9M4jQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZdfHhniH7jiWNTuJPl5zaRy3bSrSLWBZ+EO7E4/w/9sTAh/0Xg07efS1ILiawtPf6x OOcu7JAUrBDJlH4b+i4I9sVgFrxHGEvc2sSUy5wrZ7oXqaL/lFk31YKma/GPXSt/r/nH yi0cqPcxTvYMSIIHmKvYcYCy1MMnRNYLfNFgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.123.129 with SMTP id p1mr494560far.94.1249741217118; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:20:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <66049.51064.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <66049.51064.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:20:17 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908080720k1b4e9f71xa8705ace2abd9e7c@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:20:18 -0000 Hi Richard, On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Richard Mahlerwein wro= te: > I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a GENERIC kernel. > > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > Thinking perhaps a networking issue, I checked the machine is accessible.= .. > mobius# ping update.freebsd.org > PING update1.FreeBSD.org (72.21.59.252): 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D51 time=3D64.557 ms > 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D51 time=3D64.580 ms > ^C > --- update1.FreeBSD.org ping statistics --- > 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 64.557/64.569/64.580/0.012 ms > > It responds with update1, so I tried again using update1.freebsd.org (and= several others that I could ping) but it always gives me the same response= . > > A quick check of the handbook and the man pages for both freebsd-update(5= ) and freebsd-update.conf(8) didn't tell me much about this. > > I'm sure it's something stupidly simple. =A0Does anyone have some ideas? > There's quite a bit of useful information missing. For starters, what is the output of 'uname -a'? --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:25:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210A51065674 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBDF48FC15 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25882 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 14:25:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249741515; bh=ZvYUo3sBVHGUNfDZk0RyWG8g8CC9Vy3liFw6/ygYavw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K3lJl7is0QFbATSfpTfv10OH665A33pEChLlyieNCJgSL7GQDs7C51esmZ/5DKVtLWxZIZl+gEf1AecQpfWVok1A0IXgZQn/CTAx7FixJCXQEXyxufIsAOhzpqanJ76nVANXer79XmbF2otzo8ocHIye1YdzD5R54DbCnVkY8SY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vkd4ADrY57slv8X5vSBGCzYAu5lI4Ru4xK7pokBCE7A6OzGBiT9kqvnLmZjURV+FDzm0Wsrdl6pWm4GMsi50oiIN/DbUo42/wJCDdXAnMrH6orMoGUIhlvRlBoCaQCe/1TLERWxw7Yxu9BrODflXPyOJISUQN0cPVG+tdZtzHJs=; Message-ID: <129263.24894.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CD163nwVM1lByIOrRdu5viEgVLMuEOPOxsV5qmA21izNjzwhkrKAiiAbwiYrhkeKUa_WzM3VLMsK.Ez2YPVEdqmzCEWiYE4fpdFEh5vufrUvo45KqMfN4rBiDTBpIJj0K3qKKdB5x3Tw2cElu5Yek.7eGtzbB5dO.snQKHdlDXBo0iA4xJO7zDgaipAXG.sKfKJ1_JMFuAaTAPMM0tyfIx5dFJWMmCv4amqTJoebuM_a3ni5kevq.MsYTyRfkMzPs_bPbc6XayCL8jYT7nZvsjruVw5ECOcZxmhccxQlZPcfntBYTiAvj6ASlOHj_PTBa5VpjWR5QQ7PhOHZ_ziU0.WI5HEv7atj3aLL Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:25:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908080720k1b4e9f71xa8705ace2abd9e7c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:25:16 -0000 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Glen Barber wrote: > From: Glen Barber > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question > To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 10:20 AM > Hi Richard, > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Richard Mahlerwein > wrote: > > I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a > GENERIC kernel. > > > > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch > > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. > > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... > failed. > > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > > > Thinking perhaps a networking issue, I checked the > machine is accessible... > > mobius# ping update.freebsd.org > > PING update1.FreeBSD.org (72.21.59.252): 56 data > bytes > > 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 > time=64.557 ms > > 64 bytes from 72.21.59.252: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 > time=64.580 ms > > ^C > > --- update1.FreeBSD.org ping statistics --- > > 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet > loss > > round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = > 64.557/64.569/64.580/0.012 ms > > > > It responds with update1, so I tried again using > update1.freebsd.org (and several others that I could ping) > but it always gives me the same response. > > > > A quick check of the handbook and the man pages for > both freebsd-update(5) and freebsd-update.conf(8) didn't > tell me much about this. > > > > I'm sure it's something stupidly simple. Does anyone > have some ideas? > > > > There's quite a bit of useful information missing. > > For starters, what is the output of 'uname -a'? > > -- > Glen Barber > Sorry, forgot to paste that. mobius# uname -a FreeBSD mobius.mahlerwein.homeip.net 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Sep 5 02:34:20 CDT 2008 rich@mobius.mahlerwein.homeip.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:34:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79BB1065674 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110F88FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1344504bwz.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c3MdRGFliN/+OFw6zcGIufETi0/iUYgW1HQc2Me27Es=; b=XkGMPguY7P7v0tYhLg1gYrfEbKFz0dowkMY57oeAHUo3wMp5PD11dQ7qOVE/SV7NgB Kg1UXzw8rgs96Bsn08h9/yB8BYR1nTn4XfwPcEPhrDDR5Q1CmHcmBz1PwUrHOTXRKPPo 07UCE1HqZumCcxHMD4i+jMnfQyBMtApRcyrZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f1yL+Rmx3xSU5EPKjMacYXuzaFFTmIhXeRmWtawUVf/rVW8dijz99Ldzsm68CaqXH9 DbNpRCfyoe5tDfOW5tgGRYE5/H6OoTQkgNrC0sc4ARcSEg0COca0Pmue64TPS2FJO1zR U3T52p6aPkTeAxaG5/apEGQPlS/IvcQsgttN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.10 with SMTP id a10mr543351fas.17.1249742055002; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <129263.24894.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4ad871310908080720k1b4e9f71xa8705ace2abd9e7c@mail.gmail.com> <129263.24894.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310908080734j1a1da1b9qa1100b01398a42f9@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:34:19 -0000 On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Richard Mahlerwein wro= te: >> > I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a >> GENERIC kernel. >> > >> > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch >> > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. >> > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... >> failed. >> > No mirrors remaining, giving up. >> > [snip] >> >> There's quite a bit of useful information missing. >> >> For starters, what is the output of 'uname -a'? >> > Sorry, forgot to paste that. > mobius# uname -a > FreeBSD mobius.mahlerwein.homeip.net 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEAS= E #0: Fri Sep =A05 02:34:20 CDT 2008 =A0 =A0 rich@mobius.mahlerwein.homeip.= net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC =A0i386 > I was able to get a mirror using: freebsd-update -r 7.1-PRERELEASE fetch --=20 Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 14:52:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A985106566C for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB088FC1F for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n78Eqcjw079006 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:52:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DE0A1BA8D; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:52:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:52:37 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808145237.GA76086@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <4A7C074C.9060303@unsane.co.uk> <4d4e09680908070708x635dcd80ha96a61e9c71b0b6b@mail.gmail.com> <4d4e09680908070708i286b98a7j6f03725a848ae83c@mail.gmail.com> <20090807153027.GA39621@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908070847jfed3447v4863b7637585f54@mail.gmail.com> <20090807212050.GB48236@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <4d4e09680908080453i316e1f3buc00f3d0d8477794b@mail.gmail.com> <20090808133825.GA74006@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090808101216.42d3813c@scorpio.seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090808101216.42d3813c@scorpio.seibercom.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: Boot failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:52:40 -0000 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 10:12:16AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:38:25 +0200 > Roland Smith wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 07:53:40AM -0400, Identry wrote: > > > >> Looks like your hardware is dying/dead. > > > > > > > > Sadly, I agree. > > > > > > I'd get to the point of swapping hardware one at a time until it > > > > fixes, or until you exhaust your options. =A0Have any kind of > > > > support contract with the OEM? > > >=20 > > > I do have a support contract and I'm going to dump this right in > > > their lap. Two machines we bought from them -- pretty expensive > > > ones -- and both have had hardware failures. And they are only a > > > couple of years old. I'm not too happy with them at the moment. > >=20 > > For computers, that is already old these days. At $WORK the Dell > > computers (both desktops and servers AFAIK) that we use are ditched at > > the first problem after the warranty runs out which is after three > > years, I believe. > >=20 > > Roland >=20 > Given the concept of: "Planned (?) Obsolescence", that is probably a > wise decision. The problem is that FBSD does not always either partially > or fully support new hardware. Updating in such a scenario should > therefore be undertaken with extreme care.=20 True. Therefore I don't like getting systems from builders like Dell who focus on MS windows. I prefer specifying which parts go into my machines, because I can check for compatibility beforehand. > For example, nVidia cards > with 64 bit drivers are not supported in FBSD. Personally, I love nVidia > cards; however, this problem has caused me to put off updating my > systems temporarily. However, if this problem is not rectified soon, I > might have to consider a different OS. Considering that nVidia is > already shipping drivers for Win7, both 32 & 64 bit, the fact that they > are not supported in FBSD is rather pathetic. To be fair, nvidia requested (and were waiting for) some changes made to the FreeBSD amd64 kernel. I think these changes are now in 8-CURRENT, but I'm not sure. However, NVidia choose to create their own unified 3D support infrastructure instead of supporting the X developers with documentation and specifications. That means that nobody but NVidia can maintain their drivers. So instead of wielding the collaborative power of open source, they choose to go their own way. IMHO that is not very smart. (and yes, they doubtlessly have their reasons; NDAs with suppliers, "IP" borrowed =66rom others, whatever) I suspect they'll tire one day of doing all this work themselves. But until that day, I'll buy ATI or intel graphics hardware that _is_ supported by open-source drivers. So I'll not be left with unsupported hardware if the hardware supplier chooses to focus his attentions elswhere. Nor will I face bugs that we cannot fix because of binary-only drivers. Since I find it unacceptable to be a hostage to the whims of a hardware supplier, I will not support manufacturers who stick to closed-source drivers, and I would implore others to do the same. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp9kTUACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUhZwCfZA4FeYzaHm/t+/+0vorgTa2W ww4An1xgca40/ZBqXAj/ZfTNN0fbZqRG =DeIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 15:46:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7BF106568B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8AD8FC2A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so2131561ewy.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MHdaXcC90W8CwW5BfGTbkODO3Afb9+uUpVjtoubukOQ=; b=F4gBWSWzYcClR6ymuBfuPsRXqVmB0ULTOJIhF11M4xlbl4utcMeXJy/zCQQ43J7aww 6YJZT5Z7YptxnaEAWfAiyuu0zChKTxGdgZUufoL8rjTM9nqYhWfaXpODGhutiorqK+zD ftK88bjFJ4wXfzbS8cilXc0nOAyrPKIhLFpxw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DALMfe10EMAPkvyhBAQs/m+geepgbcnoQuCUURgcEDZyFHEytRW1N0dTk/D/s+TaVv Icq3FuwZAaBufVXtD1XVBZLc2XaWmRIIuvB/vMsJfEbAaMF+co3WcAwFRo094dMdZNk7 o040+53iAlA+qk2gSfgbT4VVERM/42A7kS2gY= Received: by 10.210.138.19 with SMTP id l19mr394680ebd.42.1249746416907; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm6045715eyf.18.2009.08.08.08.46.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:46:34 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808164634.0499b052@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <66049.51064.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <66049.51064.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:47:00 -0000 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a GENERIC kernel. > > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. Can you access the svr record? $ dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv 1 50 80 update5.FreeBSD.org. 2 10 80 update1.FreeBSD.org. 1 35 80 update4.FreeBSD.org. If not try running freebsd-update with servers 4 and 5. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 16:18:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E71106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chowse@charter.net) Received: from que31.charter.net (que31.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD408FC19 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090808160048.FXAP3344.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:00:48 -0400 Received: from larry.local ([24.176.107.74]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id Rs0o1c0061cLRPc05s0o2s; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:00:48 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kMPJttiiAAAA:8 a=pIpofVa8i1aXfTVPDLsA:9 a=gE_9SZqYL6_Y6PsRT4YC837-D6oA:4 Message-Id: <2097B988-0F1B-4F60-812D-71F6AB2C17CA@charter.net> From: Charles Howse To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:00:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: mod_security 2.5.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:18:12 -0000 Hi, Just wondering if anyone has tried updating from mod_security 2.5.9 to 2.5.9_1 via portupgrade. It fails with a "linker error" for me. Stop in /usr/ports/www/mod_security. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/ portupgrade20090808-74398-n3wtif-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=mod_security-2.5.9 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=2.5.9 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! www/mod_security (mod_security-2.5.9) (linker error) -- Thanks, Charles http://bubbabbq.homeunix.net UberNooB, mod_security v.2.5.9, RulesEngine On, Personal web site, Apache 2.2.11, FreeBSD-6.4-STABLE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 16:36:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5621065672 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E448FC1E for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6867A7E818 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:36:10 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:36:08 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <2097B988-0F1B-4F60-812D-71F6AB2C17CA@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <2097B988-0F1B-4F60-812D-71F6AB2C17CA@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908080836.09084.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: mod_security 2.5.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:36:11 -0000 On Saturday 08 August 2009 08:00:47 Charles Howse wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has tried updating from mod_security 2.5.9 to > 2.5.9_1 via portupgrade. > It fails with a "linker error" for me. And can we see the actual linker error? -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 16:53:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449A41065678 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-01.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14CA18FC33 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14192 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2009 16:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 16:53:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Jf8CKs1KPHyxaioYS5s4AydOsdBqiRZ+KoycC+r7Hwhzopxnc7w0cMdgm11Vhqv5Kxp3nSkJ8EihUuUL5S3qsed4XHfNh6nFLkS0AP315m7o/TqxDWWHgjN+MoLJqmTr; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MZpAY-0004Kl-Hm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:53:23 -0600 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:46:00 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:46:00 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808164600.GA11570@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090806120011.8528A106567E@hub.freebsd.org> <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:53:24 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:56:41PM -0700, James Phillips wrote: >=20 > I was also attracted to BSD because I knew from my brief stint at > university that the BSD man-pages were actually kept up to date. Not > like the GNU system where man pages say stupid things like: "The full > documentation for dd is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info > and dd programs are properly installed at your site, the command: >=20 > info dd >=20 > should give you access to the complete manual. >=20 > dd (coreutils) 5.97 January 2007 DD(1)" >=20 > I actually saw text once (years ago) that basicly said: "If we receive > complaints about the quality of the man pages, they will be removed" I > have tried to use info. I don't have time to go through the info > tutorial every time I want to use a new command (think emacs-like > hyperlinking/scripting, vi-like keybindings) Yeah, I hate that stuff. The GNU project is kind of like the Microsoft of the open source community, that way. >=20 > Anyway, Initially, I wanted to set up a "File and everything else" > server. I don't know exactly when I installed FreeBSD 5.x, but I copied > my files of over to it March 14, 2006. I know this because I lost data: > the file creation times. >=20 > Following the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on trying to get the > printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me to write my > own print driver! I checked the HP website: they will release the > details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. I finally > got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports > collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not > functional yet.) >=20 > After basicly using the server for my own use via ssh and FTP for a > while, I decided to try to get samba and NFS working. This time, I > narrowed the scope: Fileserving (SAMBA, NFS), Printing, and working > backups. November 18, 2007, I started my FreeBSD 6.2 installation. This > time I kept notes detailing what I had to do to configure each portion > of the system. Looking up commands I may need if things go wrong ahead > of time. >=20 > Initially, I was struggling with a chicken&egg problem with back ups: I > wanted to borrow a client computer's DVD drive. However, I wanted to > backup the client computers to the server. It was resolved by putting a > DVD burner in the server. I also made made few tweaks of the system to > better follow the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking > /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt). Don't mess with the filesystem layout unless you *really* know what you're doing! The FHS isn't a Unix standard. It's a Linux distributions standard. It's also not the bastion of good sense and best practices it pretends to be. It's basically a series of political compromises between a bunch of people who are jockeying for positions of power and making as little change in their specific distributions as possible to consider themselves "compliant". FreeBSD doesn't have that problem. It uses a fairly well-organized filesystem hierarchy based on some simple, well-tested principles of use. It is *really* not a good idea to start moving stuff around without knowing how FreeBSD uses its filesystem hierarchy, and it is *especially* not a good idea to do so to try to make it conform with the Linux FHS. FreeBSD is not Linux, after all. In the specific case of creating /etc/opt, you shouldn't really be damaging anything, but there's a very good reason that stuff is in /usr/local/etc -- so that when using separate filesystems for separate parts of the hierarchy, you don't separate the stuff installed in /usr/local from its configuration data. =2E . . and when I say "you shouldn't really be damaging anything", I use the word "shouldn't" because I can't think of anything that'd hurt, and *not* because I know it won't hurt anything. >=20 > I set up samba in read-only mode with little trouble. I'm not sure if I > can ever get read/write + user-level security working with win98. That > machine is slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver working > the way I want. The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I > lost data due to a damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned > that bzip2recover is a quick hack that needs to be re-written properly > according to the source code). I hope to replace windows with wine for > the most part, but wine simply installs the applications in the users' > home directory (breaking the FHS). This is only resolvable IMHO by > having wine use a real database back-end for the registry (allowing > user-level "views" of the data, while still isolating different users). The FHS doesn't apply to FreeBSD (or any other BSD Unix, or any commercial UNIX system, for that matter), so it's not "breaking" anything. That's a bit like saying that Python is breaking the XHTML 1.1 standard because it doesn't use end delimiters for its code blocks; the standard in question doesn't apply, so no standard is being broken. >=20 > So, this long story boils down to the following question: >=20 > What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation > (like man-pages)? >=20 > I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or > sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as > possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing > around with. Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think > that part of my problem is I want to use the documentation to do the > "right thing" rather than experiment. Once I move the family's files > onto the server, it becomes essential. I won't be able to have it out > of commission for weeks at a time. I hope with the server properly set > up, win98 may even be usable again: just do a clean install every > morning! I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC so that I can be informed > when I say it sucks. I'm really not sure how to answer this question, I'm afraid. I don't think it's a stupid question, and I think I can understand what you mean about your problems with getting use out of the documentation, but I haven't had the same problems so I don't know of any quick fixes to offer in how to get around these problems. For instance, when I installed CUPS on a couple of computers here for the first time since I started installing FreeBSD them, it all seemed very straightforward and I didn't see anything that could even through hyperbole be described as involving writing my own printer driver. I basically just set up configuration for CUPS, and it worked -- much more easily than it ever did with Debian (my OS of choice before I migrated stuff to FreeBSD). Then again, I go out of my way to make sure I use network-attached PostScript laser printers, and they tend to be very well supported by CUPS on BSD Unix and other Unix-like OSes. In case you're not aware of it, there's one command you should definitely use to help when you want to look up something in a manpage and don't know what manpage to use: apropos =2E . . or, equivalently: man -k If the manpage you're reading doesn't have exactly what you're looking for, don't forget to check the SEE ALSO, and maybe the FILES, section(s). Don't forget that `man man` will tell you stuff like how to access a manpage in a particular section of the Unix Manual: man n foo =2E . . where "n" is the section number and "foo" is the manpage in that section you want to read. >=20 > PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than I can > configure my computer! ;) So do I, frankly -- because the faster they release, the faster they get dropped from support, basically, and I still haven't gotten the knack of figuring out which releases are going to be the extended support releases when it comes time to pick a minor version number to install on a new system. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water." --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkp9q8gACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUb/ACg1qkFedCEicvRpPsHAvJhF0x8 jAIAoNofL+PL1NFPezo7nD6EysrIxupQ =7LFP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 17:20:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A741106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:20:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9CB8FC28 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2009 13:20:17 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.6-GA) with ESMTP id QBZ76921; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:20:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: roberthuff Received: from c-24-91-153-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.10.2]) ([24.91.153.117]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2009 13:20:05 -0400 Message-ID: <4A7DB3C1.1050708@rcn.com> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:20:01 -0400 From: Robert Huff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20090408142932.695c07ce@summersault.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:20:19 -0000 Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >> I'll just say it plainly: >> >> /var/db/pkg is long gone and there is no backup. It was not copied to >> new a machine. >> >> Is there is any hope of being able to use the ports or packages system >> in a >> meangingful way again? >> >> My sense is that some recovery is possible, but may be prohibitively >> expensive. >> >> Thanks for any tips! > > There are a lot of common places the files would be installed such as > bin, sbin, lib, libexec under %%PREFIX%%. If the OP's intention is to be able to reconstruct the dependency tree, he's hosed. If the intention is to find out what was installed, there is some hope. This method works under the following conditions: 1) you were using ports (it may or may not work for packages) 2) you have not deleted /usr/ports/distfiles Basically, sweep through /usr/ports/distfiles. Most entries can be pretty easily mapped to the associated port, including version number. Unfortunately, I know of no way of rebuilding the contents of /var/db/pkg without re-(compiling, installing) every component of every port. If it does not exist, this would be a _killer_ ability to have; it's not often required (one hopes!) but when it is it would be a total lifesaver. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 17:32:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DFA1065672 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:32:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEBE8FC1D for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5535E7E818; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:32:28 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:32:27 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908080932.27489.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: Volodymyr Kostyrko , "b. f." Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:32:30 -0000 On Saturday 08 August 2009 03:02:05 b. f. wrote: > 2) write a script to get the names of all files that belonged to ports > and swing through a ports tree, associating the files with ports via > the pkg-plist and PLIST_FILES variables; or This is quite complex, time consuming and prone to error the more ports tree and installed ports are out of sync. Either way, you will want to compare files against the generate-plist target (and the resulting contents of $TMPPLIST), as more and more ports use dynamic package list features. To prevent this from happening in the future, I've written a small periodic script that you can put in /usr/local/etc/periodic/daily and backs up the list of origins of installed ports. On the first run (or more to the point, if /var/backup/pkglist.prev doesn't exist), it will dump the current list. Otherwise, it will compare with the previous run and provide a diff if anything changed. So: - if you set $daily_backup_pkglist_enable to YES in /etc/periodic.conf - if you have daily reports mailed to an off-machine address - and if you keep the first run and all diffs You can recreate an accurate list of installed ports, when applying all diffs in sequence, even if you newfs'd /var on the machine. -- Mel #!/bin/sh # # $Coar: periodic/daily/203.backup-pkglist.sh,v 1.3 2009/08/08 17:04:41 mel Exp $ # # If there is a global system configuration file, suck it in. # if [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ] then . /etc/defaults/periodic.conf source_periodic_confs fi daily_backup_pkglist_enable=${daily_backup_pkglist_enable:-"NO"} daily_backup_pkglist_dbdir=${daily_backup_pkglist_dbdir:-"/var/db/pkg"} create_pkglist() { local f f=$1 for CFILE in ${daily_backup_pkglist_dbdir}/*/+CONTENTS; do sed -ne 's,^@comment ORIGIN:,,p' ${CFILE} done | sort > ${f} } case "$daily_backup_pkglist_enable" in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) if [ ! -d ${daily_backup_pkglist_dbdir} ] then echo '$daily_backup_pkglist_enable is enabled but' \ "${daily_backup_pkglist_dbdir} doesn't exist" rc=2 else bak=/var/backups rc=0 echo "" echo "Backing up list of package origins:" create_pkglist $bak/pkglist.cur if [ ! -f $bak/pkglist.prev ] then echo "no $bak/pkglist.prev. Dumping full list for prosperity:" cat $bak/pkglist.cur cp -p $bak/pkglist.cur $bak/pkglist.prev fi if ! cmp -s $bak/pkglist.prev $bak/pkglist.cur then [ $rc -lt 1 ] && rc=1 echo "$host pkglist diffs:" diff -u $bak/pkglist.prev $bak/pkglist.cur mv $bak/pkglist.cur $bak/pkglist.prev fi fi;; *) rc=0;; esac exit $rc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 17:55:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8862E106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266368FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782DA1E130; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:55:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n78HtIDu008424; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:55:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:55:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20090808195518.7eb8e5ee.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20090808164600.GA11570@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090806120011.8528A106567E@hub.freebsd.org> <182370.92452.qm@web65511.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090808164600.GA11570@kokopelli.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: > upgrade 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:55:27 -0000 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:46:00 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Yeah, I hate that stuff. The GNU project is kind of like the Microsoft > of the open source community, that way. Be happy that there at least is an info manual. In many cases, there is NO local documentation, neither in man or info format. The usual cases of documentation, often found in different Linusi, but as well in some "modern software" on FreeBSD, are: - bury the documentation in an arbitrary web location - use a Wiki for documentation - let the users write the documentation - don't document anything. Fortunately, there are even "GUI only" projects that keep up with the good manpage tradition. Have you ever tried "man opera" or "man gmencoder"? On the other hand, most KDE stuff doesn't have a manpage - of course, I can understand it. From their point of view, the question would be: Who would want to read documentation? Answer: Nobody. So why spend time to create it? > Don't mess with the filesystem layout unless you *really* know what > you're doing! Again, my advice do read and understand "man hier". There is a well-intended reason why things are located in certain places. > The FHS isn't a Unix standard. It's a Linux distributions standard. It aims to be. > In the specific case of creating /etc/opt, you shouldn't really be > damaging anything, but there's a very good reason that stuff is in > /usr/local/etc -- so that when using separate filesystems for separate > parts of the hierarchy, you don't separate the stuff installed in > /usr/local from its configuration data. Especially in an environment with "elevated security", there are resons to separate things filesystem wise. File permissions and mount options are a topic there, and symlinking across partitions is a no-go in such settings. > The FHS doesn't apply to FreeBSD (or any other BSD Unix, or any > commercial UNIX system, for that matter), so it's not "breaking" > anything. Just have a look at how Solaris, HP-UX or AIX organize things in terms of directories. You'll be surprised every day where you can find stange things. :-) > Then again, I go out of my way to make sure I use network-attached > PostScript laser printers, and they tend to be very well supported by > CUPS on BSD Unix and other Unix-like OSes. Postscript capable network printers have the advanage that they don't need any support. PS is the default output format for printing, so there's no need to mess around with filters. Most office class printers even include a spooling mechanism for the printer jobs, so this takes away more work from the OS. You simply use the system's lpr command to shove data into the printer, and it does the rest by itself. > Don't forget that `man man` will tell you stuff like how to access a > manpage in a particular section of the Unix Manual: > > man n foo > > . . . where "n" is the section number and "foo" is the manpage in that > section you want to read. It's worth mentioning that there are manpages that don't refer to a particular binary, file, interface or function, but instead provide information about maintenance operations and general introduction. An example is % man intro There are other manpages that give hints for compiling the system, such as "man build", and others. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 17:55:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8064106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f191.google.com (mail-qy0-f191.google.com [209.85.221.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0738FC20 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so2021632qyk.3 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7nL7rkIKccTPbKvViYnP7rxXQnt9CjHN8PA+te71c/U=; b=ulqMCuFeY7A5Ia0JGz3721rUMeOeIJVfA0QcdlOwohHV292APhWRhfBlNyMshUhQ+8 lKmld9gyaSmY1m8JNKLTdklri6MJ1SsV9xpjtP1IBYEGmNIfaR4kM4j5fKsMAMJ09HtL Xpp2wC75ZoCMPKkj8h6X+G77LxVnpOebccK70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D27FhGKMZqavNPQ6sGFVtdIDqwMzPo9SzZtDzFH3ODsx5ccBgsPBVR41YkjQWCH0Vj ULkDzEfxlWnGA1JL2BZb+Bozo9FWZs9NnAdv6fQKpkmDuynu20q32IDfk8rbGK7rRgpB Re7WSQUccPekyVJrNZHTQmEE7IzEnPYInknDc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.85.4 with SMTP id m4mr948542qcl.55.1249754135090; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:55:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A7B6010.2090506@locolomo.org> References: <560f92640908061135j41f35bfevcd1476ce9ead38a4@mail.gmail.com> <4A7B6010.2090506@locolomo.org> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: <560f92640908081055x7a9e8deaqf3075da6aec1958b@mail.gmail.com> From: Nerius Landys To: Erik Norgaard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations & /boot/boot2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:55:42 -0000 I seem to have found the answer to my own question. The question was: How do I prevent the boot2 bootstrap step from displaying a prompt where the user can load a custom boot program and/or force booting with options such as single user mode? The answer that seems to work for me: Add "-n" to /boot.config, I found this by ing the boot(8) man page. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 18:06:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335E0106566C for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF82D8FC16 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1565 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 18:06:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249754785; bh=nhSnOgwVWyre1rrPfMPxZ4iJzff7uv35l8JDuykn6Xc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xBpxKjWcrIzeIOCvGYv0TiP+1Ip2wsio5kTynfofJC6WyiTAOBIU1KYE+EOcdMGfgIxEALXMjUso733MBRpyIE7jtHNbM9cYcw5dm55lp2c3twmVAHkwC8H7WsYp3OTeIlxXXUY7RGpZ6Dz/y8Aa4VhRmNbmJpAR397VAMgPyuE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HoE9oAmF3OF4MpOd3KecL1MMI4MC5gp0QgYUjIwH0U5Bwn8p2jS67qW0OpGryxlfqq5zkGxqBjcG5Ox8Rm/k+DHIagIZ0kBbFMF9ReiuZBo7jIkR+yJtx9d7vx1Zglb81wVmyeBJo2vn/YsozLZd93DtAOel8TjXUethXEHNUDU=; Message-ID: <274961.1501.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cUH8hhoVM1mf2V4Enjf3XaGIoDF5FNdRlpLI1rMKQXvR23eIAtLTkshkqdwq1eJGl0j.s6DA5BPTy5qu9D1wTeUJRpj4ubKiS.MUy_SgFeof6v.p_5OPW4CCJrP2mVg7We7cm0N6mlLvImwSLZmHKgSVJhBAYr0p2xgiKC4p8vjuL7aWK3lzetotrrHEmszdx8g_SGLw9UDqs3oBbp7IEKHDrWSlZPvLaCmdc3emtrgFuvWct5f6zb3srRGNZimmrX2WYMFhd_uQMsSzmY8plNn6UUqSWSeRlgTQMMGgrKZI2cFD3AUtgTHze6iNDSgbQmGCOdrq Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:06:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4ad871310908080734j1a1da1b9qa1100b01398a42f9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:06:26 -0000 [random snippage all over]=0A> > From: Glen Barber =0A> > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question=0A> > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1= 0:25 AM,=0A> > Richard Mahlerwein=0A> > wrote:=0A> > mo= bius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch=0A> > Looking up update.fr= eebsd.org mirrors... none found.=0A> > Fetching public key from update.free= bsd.org... failed.=0A> > No mirrors remaining, giving up.=0A> >=0A> > mobiu= s# uname -a=0A> > FreeBSD mobius 7.1-PRERELEASE=0A> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEAS= E #0: Fri Sep =A05 02:34:20 CDT 2008 =A0=0A> =A0 rich@mobius.mahlerwein.hom= eip.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC=0A> =A0i386=0A> =0A> =0A> I was able t= o get a mirror using:=0A> =0A> freebsd-update -r 7.1-PRERELEASE fetch=0A> = =0A> -- =0A> Glen Barber=0A> =0A=0Amobius# freebsd-update -r 7.1-PRERELEASE= fetch=0ALooking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.=0AFetching p= ublic key from update1.FreeBSD.org... failed.=0ANo mirrors remaining, givin= g up.=0A=0AI'm puzzled. It seems like this shouldn't be hard, and google s= eems to agree. There must be something stupidly simple messed up with my s= ystem, or configured incorrectly. =0A=0AWhat protocols/ports does freebsd-= update use? Watching tcpdump while running freebsd-update shows no traffic= whatsoever relating to this that I can tell. Makes me wish for a "verbose= " mode on freebsd-update. I fiddled with truss, but that seems harder to i= nterpret than strace on linux (which I'm installing from the ports as I wri= te this).=0A=0AI mean, I'd just update it the old fashioned way, but now I'= m curious (and, let's face it, I've not updated it in quite a while, so I s= uspect another day or two won't hurt any more). I'm about to add a "verbos= e" option to freebsd-update and see if I can get it to print out in more de= tail what it's actually trying to do...=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 18:14:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8F81065673 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A26C8FC2A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16264 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 18:14:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249755250; bh=rV/NGrqxyagA5m7CXT6xqz8qapSGuCT7rqCieyGuGb4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QhdRBvKAC4nYEmJ8bXqcz6V5d5lH5+DKq5tk7QX1Dc3nK/muh6/q/TQI8E+GqN1Xagz3ryh/CuBkV4vwVRfENYNH98R6eextwGugmGpnYC2fx5nv0LWhYpRUagt+0qthuwVv4AKUNouCb10JFDK6JsaawYrfJnUPFVamwl5Czpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dX9baV7Qsq94t5TheZXhZmerzLFPOX78UoeMkutg+znPFxLI+zekHbL9Gq2qSfx6u5/SqlQDhzXLY16LyRTa+PdcwXR5rFw5J2UnnIYGHOiKzJAYLFKNNuUsGLAWFPCiFDEuXU1+7hY2kesWmsmnBCEl132xUwSmPSOaHpUysG8=; Message-ID: <953691.2052.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FNLw0XIVM1lWYyRoofx0rASqvwwRHEEG0yGU39M5PT4hCbfe.9R9_PFegXSLxekBvCtfMtqXYU.1mV1ywk_dhXNLrDs.tQ7k36jbwM4MJZmyiywhd2Ev6yS57kIm6KE_5zjegoxSk9HdQHAlQuuMdaLizNwZLbe3LZttFaLFp4dFD7sABS7fqY0x.lVvV4vlkR3.Sw1Mnd0g3ieL6WO5vjI7vU5B4dlz8JdSqbuApjrkY8JtZg0BxW82gYSjUQL3.nUY5mEf3P3V3ze9ELftYyejCyfLT3lbDpxI49mQM0zhJrs- Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:14:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20090808164634.0499b052@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:14:13 -0000 > From: RW > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:46 AM > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:16:15 -0700 > (PDT) > Richard Mahlerwein > wrote: > > > I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a > GENERIC kernel. > > > > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch > > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. > > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... > failed. > > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > Can you access the svr record? > > $ dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv > 1 50 80 update5.FreeBSD.org. > 2 10 80 update1.FreeBSD.org. > 1 35 80 update4.FreeBSD.org. > > If not try running freebsd-update with servers 4 and 5. > mobius# dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv (returns nothing) I tried various of the update servers both via 'dig' and via 'freebsd-update', all returned the same. I attempted using a "-s 216.14.97.73" seeing if pointing it to IP would work, but no go - same failure. For what it's worth, making up a -s responds identically (like '-s bleh.a.oorg'). How is freebsd-update resolving addresses? I'm sure this is all user error somewhere along the line. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 18:50:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CAA106567D for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junior_1985@mail.ru) Received: from mx45.mail.ru (mx45.mail.ru [94.100.176.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453078FC27 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f39.mail.ru (f39.mail.ru [217.69.128.195]) by mx45.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id C042A4968A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:33:30 +0400 (MSD) Received: from mail by f39.mail.ru with local id 1MZqjQ-0003oQ-00 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:33:28 +0400 Received: from [84.54.75.28] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:33:28 +0400 From: Ren Junior To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [84.54.75.28] Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:33:28 +0400 X-Mru-Data: 1162:1:1:16:16:1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:56:58 +0000 Cc: Subject: HSF-driver && BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ren Junior List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:50:21 -0000 Hi. Please make support of the driver for operating systems (eg. BeOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 19:02:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D05106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FE98FC27 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1700919ewy.36 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2hKHZ82AyfnqJkQUWNBnNqEz+7s4KZJe+64f5kFcHmg=; b=mPaVuO0cOa+OVhi5ZVRABWr29ttrmyBH5LeOaRLjL6pnMCSFzrs5mKG6mGuOHlLXEM lJ+d4bzRTYg4uOQv8xBCjZDxSadVaQp1t2XC8NsB6nAZ8fkfWfn72nVoFttp2hsfDUTi AoUKTqLghtUQ2BuHn+BJYVYqwuDP24rRS1Iqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lZthlM8iasxmTZRk+peVbmiarfBifz9vo6rvffOyDOLbaNtXk8qhm1WP7CwJWNy/HS If0b4HT8KwQ3Hx1u98L/P6SfmqMvmoq5PJTnd9c+hYJLg6bRMjxk8RJ0JlBi2zdn7fAt e0g5IJOzAZD1hoIqoLymukQDj7fWqXpnWl4To= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.141 with SMTP id l13mr492193wef.67.1249758137626; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200908080932.27489.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <200908080932.27489.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:02:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Mel Flynn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Volodymyr Kostyrko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:02:20 -0000 On 8/8/09, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Saturday 08 August 2009 03:02:05 b. f. wrote: > >> 2) write a script to get the names of all files that belonged to ports >> and swing through a ports tree, associating the files with ports via >> the pkg-plist and PLIST_FILES variables; or > > This is quite complex, time consuming and prone to error the more ports tree > and installed ports are out of sync. Either way, you will want to compare > files against the generate-plist target (and the resulting contents of > $TMPPLIST), as more and more ports use dynamic package list features. Yes, but then I was supposing that a complete reconstruction wasn't necessary -- just a listing of the majority of the ports, or at least the majority of the leaf ports. And grep is usually faster than many invocations of make. There are other shortcuts: if /var/db/ports is intact, you can look at the ports that you've had to config -- this will account for the majority of the larger, more complex ports at the top of the tree, with many dependencies, and so will cheaply give you many of your ports. Also don't forget your file database! 'locate /var/db/pkg' could give you many of your ports, if things haven't changed too much since the last time you updated your database, and the database is intact. > > To prevent this from happening in the future, I've written a small periodic > script that you can put in /usr/local/etc/periodic/daily and backs up the > list > of origins of installed ports. > Could come in handy. I usually keep a listing of 'portmaster -l' and a compressed backup /var/db/ports in a safe place. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 19:34:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554601065705 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jules.stocks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f206.google.com (mail-bw0-f206.google.com [209.85.218.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73BD8FC27 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1413471bwz.43 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WdG9ODlGUiBArf/w2KH2mVLFmBau1DVsAm1NxOmOivI=; b=Bu7fDhjEglnUWeTApT6U/KhjJBVNRjqcgFMEP/xXY+/usV2dZ3nP4bn0GM8xmnW0WY YJIkDGHCp18IvpLQC4+57gL9LHMmvivAetpkq0g+n9U2T82wFFhPoe8YsIaUXJmTKI0n huxhgmlRcK219K38g324/a/ISUHhSWXYpW6TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xpo+UbtJ4r4OrO5JxRYlnXy8Co7ryBhxzBEmQ9+0JA/X/69GjlF0X2Wa9yNU0xtWFY 45GaOCPGR9lPpXMNlMxvGW6Sjh0pjPNBB59L/NNT6zuXLiLW8nRASXiwi76IxBo/iUdj mU7HlvyCcddhmxG/0NbSOUfy0wVoO5gTT2D6Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.65.17 with SMTP id g17mr4398457bki.193.1249758874157; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:14:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jules Gilbert Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <28d0cced0908081214y5e2bde06m5701976d95f245e5@mail.gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: configuring X on the Presario with the 8200M driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:34:53 -0000 Okay, I'm back with another question (but let me begin by saying I love FreeBSD. It really is great. Thank you for building/supporting it.) I have one of those $300 Presario laptop's, and it's really wonderful -- it compares very well to laptops' selling for $2k to even $3k. But the video driver is an AMD 8200M nvidia device and I can't get X to configure it. And I have to run X. What do I do? I've tried: X -configure that fails. I notice that PC-BSD will configure it correctly but for other reasons I have to run native 7.2 FreeBSD -- PC-BSD won't do. I am not very X experienced (mostly use the ordinary screens,) so I will need pretty explicit assistance. Sorry. --jg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 20:13:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8713106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f212.google.com (mail-ew0-f212.google.com [209.85.219.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5905F8FC1D for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1727067ewy.36 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G05V9M/JTQazJBB/fqgk4TucpV7AgWM4mZqVLXqchQk=; b=szngwSpyHXkdQjuRHTiiO06+A+Iogon47SGQ+Wz67L48lrTBB1xC7jgjjJ+IOv/Yw/ 2s9PXTBoWn+o3Rknzb9QGgAPwdi4wuhZcCpwUTa7NDYJQ+sNzt9Hext5P8iyzMr9b0A6 O8GZxzZj/UZAexj5iqez+GENcxhp+KVoggmAE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uLLo/akQJ09w6hmsnucQluZ3yJYphGq/Q8ii5PhqaRzLt5AYkapLR5RCbb2iPEELAe hldjFGi8UnwKyvbF4/996VnVSyMhNNi3yt6Hn3MyZP7xLHZLpHU/XgLKqPB/cS/0a56f 8fGXpEw5zLUlnUCdCspgfQD+YPuaR4mbTmejY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.17.212 with SMTP id j62mr537509wej.132.1249762411192; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200908080932.27489.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:13:31 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recovering loss of /var/db/pkg ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:13:33 -0000 Robert Huff wrote: > Unfortunately, I know of no way of rebuilding the contents of >/var/db/pkg without re-(compiling, installing) every component of every >port. If it does not exist, this would be a _killer_ ability to have; >it's not often required (one hopes!) but when it is it would be a total >lifesaver. Well, if you know which ports were installed, and if the installed ports correspond to the versions in your ports tree, and if both make.conf and /var/db/ports are intact (a lot of ifs here ...), you can reconstruct it by running : make generate-plist fake-pkg in the origin of each of the installed ports, which doesn't require rebuilds. IF there is cruft left in /var/db/pkg, then you need to do this with FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes, or empty /var/db/pkg first. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 20:44:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3576D1065674 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E508F8FC2A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 94252 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 20:44:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249764240; bh=3taTNGMbWbnT6YvOptWQ0495l5SNDeX3uunfZ3F3xng=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jK+L9ojWnL8g11I3z5fx8x+EiR9o6REqHw8rFSa0XwIQD7yjZf27Nr/DhpgywHlpqRvuvdgM8MWMyzBofnNIfaawMlqxyOh+08JdsX8eq9hKXu0IUdV9AXH5Lnurwy16YLl2AKh7rDm/h4E5nh1t7732NiAA91W7uALeI72X/pY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bNLkMOyY0+fXNlvA3QtUkgLcpYE3c8nxxas3Ta4Jtnz2s9btszakIntqWJzVy+x1EbjOaPr3ER5p00SWAE+mx9lowsaaoekAFaalsBAqlUCJqMB7T/E2JvqgmXN4n1GxG6GKtOfblkPQ1bLIpfVaDB2E5rB5Eu/pxEknAJZ/iao=; Message-ID: <116853.94145.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E1pOb8MVM1kicUdF3_2xeiM7afXEB9jdDNv1.blLr9IPZ_.YKXLpr6L_2K.4sSJ85CNOskDzVxE9wNxqOKUnxI1L.CWOAQfmMcuKS_XHmBPPFCjaf6KLxZC5i1x1nOtNH1yIgdqAdcFJ4ypX2s6MKNYJ184QLyd.BC8BujTgZHs28faYXyz9QORUDODtPq6YSKmEt5UZPCNl8TGV.teppw7O4dS3GrnlDeNu3Qn5gPrjJXoXue46A8MVyaaWdW.udze6.IhpFAs2A0_JarDnSOyybG7YmrtdhCHyPXpqzWUfsu636ToDY6YCOUQiPcfQ7CKphErEbaXLZ0GdJiRXIiPmN4OZc9LOUES2 Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:43:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <274961.1501.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:44:01 -0000 Thanks for the help, I figured out the [likely] answer and included it at the bottom. --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > From: Richard Mahlerwein > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 2:06 PM > [random snippage all over] > > > From: Glen Barber > > > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question > > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:25 AM, > > > Richard Mahlerwein > > > wrote: > > > mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch > > > Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. > > > Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... failed. > > > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > > > > > mobius# uname -a > > > FreeBSD mobius 7.1-PRERELEASE > > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Sep 5 02:34:20 CDT 2008 > > rich@mobius.mahlerwein.homeip.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > i386 > > > > > > I was able to get a mirror using: > > > > freebsd-update -r 7.1-PRERELEASE fetch > > > > -- > > Glen Barber > > > > mobius# freebsd-update -r 7.1-PRERELEASE fetch > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. > Fetching public key from update1.FreeBSD.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > I mean, I'd just update it the old fashioned way, but now > I'm curious (and, let's face it, I've not updated it in > quite a while, so I suspect another day or two won't hurt > any more). I'm about to add a "verbose" option to > freebsd-update and see if I can get it to print out in more > detail what it's actually trying to do... > Found what I believe to be the answer, and yes it's mostly user error. :) Your test above notwithstanding, it seem the PRERELEASE isn't supported for freebsd-update, or at least it's not signed. I found the source to freebsd-update (it's a shell script) and found that there was a way to specify "--debug". So, when I ran... mobius# freebsd-update --debug -s update1.freebsd.org fetch Looking up update1.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. Fetching public key from update1.freebsd.org... fetch: http://update1.freebsd.org/7.1-PRERELEASE/i386/pub.ssl: Not Found failed. That gave me a good lead to follow. Browsing around update1.freebsd.org for a bit leads me to find things under, say, http://update.freebsd.org/7.1-RELEASE/i386/pub.ssl Just not under 7.1-PRERELEASE. I'll update the old fashioned way. NP. I think once I'm off PRERELEASE I'll be able to use freebsd-update. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 20:59:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C35106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808F48FC08 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so563857eyd.7 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5NG6mgdSWtPcfWTOovqyl6psJIa9rH5ZcfkLCxnejmQ=; b=bgewjb/c/z/6q+tzm06gHl4q62WeaDjhvN8nXSbEU4cIBi1hXmJ0LihdsdLjXEu3WB j/lsWK4oL586R0DrwsgLBtupBZCuaAw7VCibICotlYjyn5+ijssYRByqctHXdePPcUFX 4/P3AGDcyr7Jd8COb/IATGebObZOGXB3JARgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cvdb7R42WU+d4RALpxGHxRDfklXGj1okrpyxtviZpC9YXtxkqvEeYY17WyNvcGPp3m 6zenWNvJ58SkTn4BCZ1UGZzPhYeBwtiKcAJn/b1epbj1hhtVQ98yVCiWd3Sa0+nLCYBM ijOoCkxvbnoSXd+ochvDu8jFlThexTuL9GEMk= Received: by 10.210.128.10 with SMTP id a10mr3188536ebd.1.1249765173394; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3797881eyg.42.2009.08.08.13.59.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:59:29 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808215929.588e3364@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <953691.2052.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20090808164634.0499b052@gumby.homeunix.com> <953691.2052.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:59:35 -0000 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein wrote: > mobius# dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv > (returns nothing) This is typically either due either to broken SRV support in DNS, or the absence of full dns on a private network behind proxies. Perhaps you need to set HTTP_PROXY. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 21:31:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EAB106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5b.socket.net [216.106.26.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD668FC1F for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.129.40.203] (216.106.12.14.reverse.socket.net [216.106.12.14]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1868160670 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:31:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3F47B447-F165-40CA-8172-1B59594BFBCD@socket.net> From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:31:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: GNU Tar and -T option X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:31:50 -0000 Has anyone had any luck using the -T option with GNU tar 1.16.1? I am using the following command line. /usr/local/gtar/bin/tar -c -T filelist -f - | dd of=/dev/nsa1 obs=128k And, I am receiving the following error message. This happens whether I use the -T option or --files-from=. If I remove these options, the command runs fine. tar: --: (PROGRAM ERROR) Option should have been recognized!? Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information. I have also tried placing the -T after the -f - and receive the same error message. Any suggestions concerning how to correct this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 22:48:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E2106566B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahlerrd@yahoo.com) Received: from web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 105548FC26 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83939 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2009 22:48:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249771693; bh=CEWdjiajKzJbgqH5V3bGFUSgi3mgsekzCDjZknDXdsg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EFNdc7JgKi+WZWBZTWzcTh/P/KAsc4ulGI+ipHRU37eyA1aTAUgSx0ATphCFSTrI8rIGgKEu5KBTMia7mR1QjtwnHhOX4mtJHBSQx1Yc1CRmT7u2LqPvYJGLAF7ySxTthY3Mqsz7DyJKiXUXoEjMlBffJCqvpm8U652I838os3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MYjr+L93nHLiG5bNcTNFAbSGvC0/L3doVKkaOTHEf9dNysj1A2UJSUeYdzCIw7LYGShqI+c6+4nBzA9yfnRQhBvTSadFUuvqS/LtX1E1WdlYEqDSxmKGIM5CUN2LvM920pY4+B/yq3DYbPE0IJpy5GkFNCTgAWfxzkSMhCA1xT8=; Message-ID: <515267.83277.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CBz6BSMVM1mfF9VBSV.IHq0FZsC25Wb5YBJ3t8aPLDW1jBNsuOyOOBsYSSmr5GTzhI2ASTuMu1ZAfBLuZyr0VBl_sa1uzhh.qe8bSONVDO_opo6yGdqeDahnR8HZ7Z86fG38Q5QojOZKeHNthTaBE0FIzcilyv33VGNpAl93BGaxKmKfe9wq9PLpgLI802hJO58.1.LinGkpiMg28cFv5_bWfxjxJP42sSt3W_aTYDDRI9vnBZeYlIHPyrXdKASlbQXsTq6CxfXZvY9tXAjr6F7M9YS8u4vNlOIhdEQhmQNYuDUAQIeJoGsBZoA9N5HCnT0nkxA- Received: from [71.117.53.27] by web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:48:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Mahlerwein To: FreeBSD-Questions In-Reply-To: <20090808215929.588e3364@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mahlerrd@yahoo.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:48:14 -0000 --- On Sat, 8/8/09, RW wrote: > From: RW > Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:59 PM > On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:14:10 -0700 > (PDT) > Richard Mahlerwein > wrote: > > > > mobius# dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv > > (returns nothing) > > This is typically either due either to broken SRV support > in DNS, or > the absence of full dns on a private network behind > proxies. Perhaps > you need to set HTTP_PROXY. I currently have my little westell DSL router set to be my DNS for all my boxes behind it. While a neat little box, it has its issues from time to time. Should I at least point my DNS to the DNS it uses to save an extra relay? Sort of off topic, but it has begun to annoy me that Verizon has decided to redirect requests to domains that don't exist to their search pages. I haven't noticed they are proxying, but they could be if they did so reasonably transparently. And, with hijacking nonexistent domains, they've led me to believe they COULD be doing something goofy like that. Is there any easy way to actually confirm or deny they're doing more goofy stuff? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 23:14:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8117106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFB18FC15 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFAC57E818 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:14:04 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:11:43 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-BETA2; KDE/4.2.4; i386; ; ) References: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8250ac3f0908051135g282fabb1m4009077010a6fd72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908081511.44200.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Subject: Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:14:06 -0000 On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle M=F8ller wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to build flowd with perl > > make WITH_PERL=3D"YES" > > But it returns that it is broken ? PR filed: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D137560 =2D-=20 Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 23:31:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD11106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672FC8FC19 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MZvNP-0006Ex-Ig for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:31:03 +0000 Received: from pool-72-75-56-240.washdc.east.verizon.net ([72.75.56.240]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:31:03 +0000 Received: from nightrecon by pool-72-75-56-240.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:31:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:31:10 -0400 Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <20090808215929.588e3364@gumby.homeunix.com> <515267.83277.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-75-56-240.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Freebsd-update question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:31:10 -0000 Richard Mahlerwein wrote: [snip] > > I currently have my little westell DSL router set to be my DNS for all my > boxes behind it. While a neat little box, it has its issues from time to > time. Should I at least point my DNS to the DNS it uses to save an extra > relay? Depends. I don't know if the Westell does any caching of recursive queries. I don't use it as I have a FreeBSD gateway box that runs my DNS. I have it forwarding to OpenDNS DNS servers, so I don't even use Verizon's. Locally caching DNS lookups locally saves trips. Various different configs are possible, and all will probably do the job effectively. YMMV > Sort of off topic, but it has begun to annoy me that Verizon has decided > to redirect requests to domains that don't exist to their search pages. I > haven't noticed they are proxying, but they could be if they did so > reasonably transparently. And, with hijacking nonexistent domains, > they've led me to believe they COULD be doing something goofy like that. > Is there any easy way to actually confirm or deny they're doing more goofy > stuff? > > This is how you opt out of this "service": http://www.verizon.net/central/vzc.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=vzc_help_contentDisplay&case=dns_assist Essentially just change the Verizon DNS server IP last two numbers from .12 to .14 for both Primary and Secondary in your Westell. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 8 23:34:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF1A106564A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0787D8FC0A for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84474 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 23:34:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:X-Virus-Status:X-Virus-Scanned:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WYU2kIeWEGEQs1FGLE5Jj6v3UkYXiHH6Cp8VPv4cyELDHcK6yfWat9rhz2kXLoxGpyZk0d6BgM0QGGFbmJkRMsHEBQDGkMpDPQC5DFN7uSH8ynvS0dGJYz3R+xBRUGc1SKjpjISOJZIXCgDNjpxpkYk4RPqrN9/r/9J8NNmJH1o= ; Received: from c-76-23-177-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@76.23.177.172 with login) by smtp107.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Aug 2009 16:34:02 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: sLSLewEVM1lnYxYpDuRGACRAI4i9eNVw2_c8yGTQSbl5AfFalNeri7_lz9JuwzwQx3jLmd7AG_2eWAFzzxEaLWiInkp4MxOORarVQWU5h435wG.B5OFeMG4U_QCutj5FpRE6qi6hjcRq0PYklD7KYkSP7omJH0Y6QmA9MQf7iD5CFGy5.IcoWAZVQuHYv1l44L0B0GfBesuDUWR8zOHze.iN1q7kPsrMgIJKc1VwdlT.gtXHOhorvtGLsMo3yYkjzN8i7aocT.cMSTB042C7PJrnjs.f50ccXF.Cb79Uo7L6NV1PWFcpbawbVkchWjvOGgxnvB0P X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B644522910 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:34:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:34:01 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090808193401.16f4a3e6@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <28d0cced0908081214y5e2bde06m5701976d95f245e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <28d0cced0908081214y5e2bde06m5701976d95f245e5@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEX+/v7++v6YOTrq8PCcuIX989UvOSj++v0BNCbpAAAAB3RJTUUHsQwfFzs7RBhzUQAAAhJJREFUOI1dU8GOqzAMNKIoV1bvwD1i0ysqrHplIdBrVSX7ATSbd03VVvn9tQNtQy0hjAdn7LED4AAcPtWm9RV+MPSfxhBLx9ajd6X/ngB6/mTwnRSZua7i7Ca+0ctZKo4Qmz+JY13X6I3nFZBxIYW1PbgfQ5RP8g0XlltEWGf3cV03joYpRnFbvYDKbXjZlXyyhEZA4lI+cN3NaVXE4VKjSwTExO10eTEkkJVqIAD5z0nUBQJluQDRSQjcrBiHAJxZlAH5CUMBMC7OcJ4LMQNnxhZ1HYPscMc6J4UlWRMNwzOpCcAHKSICd1EDn83abdREIbXsHkD1OinP1aCUCOEVRaa1lMcvywUWdYgk13JQUpYNKmvXQ8Kw5ML9YI5h8SakctBc7E/IYuLhYd/zZIk+1gM1vNweQBvHE0j+oYah3sMqAytQYlZk6+ANaaawJdu3OFzYGMZ3iGpa3qMlq9ZH0VZTgrCtw/ngdYkEIIpSbP1bWQAdFdX9vocBdkH2qVjVmuMu3gI5rjs814EUdrCZgWlPaxZZ3RiLFUtr+ud0PXwp2dnQSNXgePt6AZpBj6UMJ7VQkzN4utVeaSW1Dhn/kblGrKeMvNGnzwX4zuEDarYz1KdPtR60Gul0Gued+515SJXhCsl+Tx/3kY/UDvicPll9mfu50t3tvQ/thZpJYgeuwdSKNJ6tCD98MCgoxLDaPxbwqqwPWaWiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: configuring X on the Presario with the 8200M driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:34:03 -0000 On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:14:14 -0400 Jules Gilbert wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question (but let me begin by saying I > love FreeBSD. It really is great. Thank you for building/supporting > it.) > > I have one of those $300 Presario laptop's, and it's really wonderful > -- it compares very well to laptops' selling for $2k to even $3k. > > But the video driver is an AMD 8200M nvidia device and I can't get X > to configure it. And I have to run X. What do I do? > > I've tried: > > X -configure > > that fails. > > I notice that PC-BSD will configure it correctly but for other reasons > I have to run native 7.2 FreeBSD -- PC-BSD won't do. > > I am not very X experienced (mostly use the ordinary screens,) so I > will need pretty explicit assistance. Sorry. As root, run: Xorg -configure FILES The Xorg server config file can be found in a range of locations. These are documented fully in the xorg.conf(5) manual page. The most commonly used locations are shown here. /etc/X11/xorg.conf Server configuration file. /etc/X11/xorg.conf-4 Server configuration file. /etc/xorg.conf Server configuration file. /usr/local/etc/xorg.conf Server configuration file. /usr/local/lib/X11/xorg.conf Server configuration file. Be sure to copy the newly created xorg.conf file to the appropriate directory. Make sure the file permissions and ownership are also correct. I use 0644 and it works well. Check out: man Xorg and man xorg.conf for further details. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com Being in the army is like being in the Boy Scouts, except that the Boy Scouts have adult supervision. Blake Clark