From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 00:06:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EBA1065670 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D8C8FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so10589886fxm.43 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Wq0u6meCEHBzuUZFwDIfPjatEnYaQtAS87n+rmJfJl8=; b=YyT2JRZGIfG1E575vsWCWEGsi2irFYz+ro+7dnP6a3EDYljaeP+eDO+DmYZIv1lI3t +BQ/RbIJ8KWk6tVuIK9FLY7XQIiEXUcGxMeKvEPX5QBrYvCVcwL9FmqOs4G401idgGnn CQvQvnqkn7aGpYsXDNuXKnJ32HsihrbeammUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QN4OPJY3Q2UN9F9rWYjeQc0Mx6b/AeHqfWY5l1v4/TX5CMxCU+EMeOC6ginarHoG+v NKPbOcGxdJWaoYv15V017cEn5M9mw4F5KTnPaQQhI5ZRMnXmMlo/lbewUkM9nYnOGBpB tCh3WD3E3L1EE4TojHj/M7QXFJFstaIc4lzzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.29.193 with SMTP id r1mr2510462fac.29.1256429209710; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:06:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4ad871310910241706h73ff91a9x115b1089801a401f@mail.gmail.com> From: Glen Barber To: PJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:06:51 -0000 Howdy, On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, PJ wrote: > Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. > I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but > somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. Any errors? > I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the > linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. > Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... I used the steps in the handbook[1] to get flash on my FreeBSD 8 machines. I never used flash on 7 because it wasn't worth the trouble. Things have changed since. > Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their > software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are > having with their products. Any major software vendor fits in this category, IMHO. Not everything works for everyone. Computer configurations, hardware, OS, etc differ from person to person, company to company. > So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to > work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, > bumble and mumble ... [1] - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#MOZ-FLASH-PLUGIN HTH. -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 00:34:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122A61065670 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:34:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8078FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:34:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS100FKAO8YTZ10@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE39D04.5090304@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:34:12 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Glen Barber References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4ad871310910241706h73ff91a9x115b1089801a401f@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <4ad871310910241706h73ff91a9x115b1089801a401f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:34:12 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > Howdy, > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:56 PM, PJ wrote: > >> Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. >> I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but >> somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. >> > > Any errors? > I was just about to add what I had forgotten... latest fiddling with the non-working installation gives error: "shared object libdl.so.2 not found required by libflashplugin.so And I've roamed the web trying to find solutions, but nothing really is solid... I used some instructions from "crnl.org->blog->"Flash 9 for FreeBSD 7.1" and it worked when I first installed it both on 7.2 x64bit and i386... but that wasn't for long.. > >> I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the >> linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. >> Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... >> > > I used the steps in the handbook[1] to get flash on my FreeBSD 8 > machines. I never used flash on 7 because it wasn't worth the > trouble. Things have changed since. > I've been using 7.2 thinking it was to be stable for a while... oh, well... now I'm waiting for 8 to be released before switching. > >> Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their >> software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are >> having with their products. >> > > Any major software vendor fits in this category, IMHO. But MS and Adobe are unbelievabley horrendous...and why they don't fix the problems their software have had for many years already is beyond me.. > Not everything > works for everyone. Computer configurations, hardware, OS, etc differ > from person to person, company to company. > Well, that's normal if the user has no idea of what they are doing... I'd hope I know a little more than that... but that doesn't help eityher... for instance, the only way I can get "Windoze XP office to work" is to set up a new user and it works fine... the original user just refuses to work... ridiculous... but then, I only use the damned thing when someone else has "forceed" me to open what they have made... > >> So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to >> work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, >> bumble and mumble ... >> > > > [1] - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#MOZ-FLASH-PLUGIN > > Yeah, I had installed that and it worked fine... but now it no longer works... I had it on two machines and two installations of 7.2 on the same machine... but now ... it no longer works... and I don't understand why... I did install gimp and inksckape on one of the installations, but neither the other nor this one wanted to work... so hurray for adobe and Linux... I waste more time trying to get their stuff to work without hindrances and Thanks for the suggestions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 01:02:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4A3106568B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from mzpi5.forethought.net (mzpi5.forethought.net [216.241.36.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C528FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 216-241-45-95.static.forethought.net ([216.241.45.95] helo=auden.jmla.com) by mz3.forethought.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1lXc-0000R2-8D; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:40:40 -0600 Message-ID: <4AE349A6.90807@forethought.net> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:38:30 -0600 From: Reed Loefgren User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090906) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber References: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> <4ad871310910241117o540bf959pd94724c67c9f49d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ad871310910241117o540bf959pd94724c67c9f49d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: yuri@rawbw.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody is using VirtualBox? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:02:53 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Yuri wrote: > >> I am tryingto run Windows under FreeBSD. >> >> When I run: >> cat /dev/ad1s1 | VBoxManage stdin OutPutFile.vdi 21474836480 >> on 80-RC2 I get this output: >> ERROR: failed to create the VirtualBox object! >> ERROR: code NS_ERROR_ABORT (0x80004004) - Operation aborted (extended info >> not available) >> Most likely, the VirtualBox COM server is not running or failed to start. >> >> No processes with name VirtualBox are running. >> >> What could be the problem? >> > > Do you have the vboxdrv.ko module loaded? > > > I'll chime in here because I just de-installed virtualbox so it's fresh in mind. I had problems when I tried to run virtualbox after loading the vboxdrvr.ko manually while the machine was running. Maybe it crashed the machine, can't remember. After rebooting though, with the modules in /boot/modules/ and the modules having been loaded at boot time things worked great. So for me it was imperative that the module loaded at boot and not after the machine was fully up if I wanted virtualbox to run. (I de-installed because, after running opensolaris a few weeks, the novelty of virtual machines has worn off.) HTH sa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 01:10:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1889A106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dcdowse@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60F5A8FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2009 01:10:09 -0000 Received: from p4FD4EFBA.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO bytebox) [79.212.239.186] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 25 Oct 2009 02:10:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #30106961 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+kC8FbxBykD8aaviOZ7vmdIQGxa7f8X59iLf+J0y FS7s58PaoKhT2L Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:10:09 +0100 From: "Daniel C. Dowse" To: Kelly Martin Message-Id: <20091025021009.051de285.dcdowse@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <1338880b0910240008h5d5e7846q8ccf184728d9e036@mail.gmail.com> References: <1338880b0910240008h5d5e7846q8ccf184728d9e036@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.63 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: changing cron's From: address in emails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:10:12 -0000 On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:08:21 -0600 Kelly Martin wrote: > Greetings, here's a simple question for the FreeBSD gurus out there. I > have several servers running cron scripts daily for me, and they all > send me e-mail with their output. Regardless of which server it is, > each of these e-mails have the From: address looking exactly the same. > They all say they are from the "Cron Daemon". Fine, but I'd like to > know more clearly which server the cron output is from. > > How can I change the From: address of these emails to "Myserver Cron > Daemon" instead? I know cron runs as the user, so it's not immediately > obvious to me how to change the From: field. Already the subject line > says something like "Cron ..." but this doesn't stand > out enough for my tired eyes. Why don`t you just create some filter rules in your mua ? It may makes it clear for you if you create a folder for each host and filter your msg on receiving ? e.g. Inbox ... CronDir - Host 1 - Host 2 .... Cheers Daniel -- Just because I don`t care - Doesn`t mean I don`t understand ! -- Homer J. Simpson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 06:17:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA6A106568F for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C908FC22 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9P6GpVT086618 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:17:07 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20091025061704.GA45862@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: need *local* help to keep THOUGHT.ORG alive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:17:13 -0000 guys, months ago i noticed trouble with Either mouse or KVM. i bought a new mouse, didn't work, so i looked for help from former SeaBUG members. got one answer from a guy at qwest who said to let him know. then the grandson of a writer friend popped up unexpectedly. he suggested which new kvm unit to order;, i did, he installed it, and things work. the real problem is my dns server. it is my dns, mail, and web server. it is more than 11 years old and staring to give off death knell sounds. last week we had a nighttime power outage, and after i had myself pain-pilled up, i got down, found the surge protector in the rat's nest of cables, reset, and presto [!], my servers --- dns and pfsense [both from 1998] came alive. no problem. last sunday afternoon the power went dead for over three hours. this time my dns/mail/web server failed. it took several time of praising, petting, and very-slowly power-cycling to get it to work. so i need somebody who isn't too far from seatac to come over and get my new --- a yes, i'm going to buy something green, like an intel atom tower server -- i need help getting my new, Green server installed. i will download and burn a v 8.0pre FBSD, and then set up the system with ssh/scp. then --- what? it took a few weeks to initially set up my /etc/namedb/* files before i was obligated to switch over. that was and still is the limit of my network savvy. so if there are any volunteers out there, having a bg in networking will be a major help. anybody willing and able to help out? tia, gary PS: this is not a life/death urgent problem. but then this is when power-out and so forth hit. october thru december. i dont know if the server will reboot next time -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 06:23:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BC4106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07F058FC19 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2009 06:23:24 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp068) with SMTP; 25 Oct 2009 07:23:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18BB7F/a5kBn3ldc60yZYJsOpeaBURc56ltSTwbmE phdMKqIvXUen3A Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:23:22 +0100 From: herbert langhans To: PJ Message-ID: <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:23:26 -0000 I have some instructions on http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html - not updated for a while, but it might be some useful input. Cheers herb langhans On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 07:56:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. > I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but > somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. > I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the > linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. > Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... > Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their > software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are > having with their products. > So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to > work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, > bumble and mumble ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 07:40:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F0B1065670 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3E8B8FC16 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2009 07:40:50 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 25 Oct 2009 08:40:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/w/PxOSVbwiLUrEj/6+Iy3fm61Rf6CP2mRMmhUCk Vo6JqnM2U4OmgV Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:40:49 +0100 From: herbert langhans To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Message-ID: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.66 Subject: Wifi Router and FreeeBSD - need some hints.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:40:54 -0000 Hi Daemons, I need some basic information about Wifi routers - very little I know about it. There is my FreeBSD-server (the other one is Linux) and some clients are connected with a LAN-switch. Now I want to add a Wifi Router to the network. I am not sure if I can set up the router without using some Windows software what comes with the router. My questions: I just connect the Wifi router to the LAN and it should work? Or do I need any software (drivers) to keep the thing running? There must be some software to 'talk' to the router - for setup. Is there anything available for FreeBSD or do I need Windows environment (what I dont have available)? What did you use to install your Wifi-router? Every hint is welcome, thank you! herb langhans -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 08:19:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C8A106568D for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:19:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6C38FC1C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9P8JJGY087691; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:19:20 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9P8JJGY087691 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256458760; bh=A7WD+PA+TUdjUAl4zvy3Tfe7nffStFzrhsNBEuAiHEQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2025=20Oct=202009=2008:19:12=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20PJ=20|CC:=20"freebsd-que stions@freebsd.org"=20|Subject:=20R e:=20flashplugin|References:=20<4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca>|In- Reply-To:=20<4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca>|X-Enigmail-Version:=20 0.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3 B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20bounda ry=3D"------------enig3C25793F9E69EEADB91BC045"; b=HfOVqfMwTy9KAg5i9rBW2nGCWvDFOVLzXdcMlUyBitAZ1NgxqjuhG5r1ydyn85fmc eZwYtYrw0RrT5WXO9+LSlFktgUW0PHgII63B+O4pLtR9Sj/GZBdlLtGxYxrT8Oh70X J9v370lx0fHlJ08p8UX4vNsaFxBTkQy31BdukAok= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:19:12 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PJ References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> In-Reply-To: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3C25793F9E69EEADB91BC045" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:19:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3C25793F9E69EEADB91BC045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PJ wrote: > Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. > I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but= > somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility issues between new versions of Linux emulation and older versions of=20 FreeBSD, so don't expect this to work with anything older. * Make a note of all the linux-emulated software you have installed for later reference: # pkg_info -orx linux > linux-stuff We save the package origins in particular, because this procedure=20 will result in a name change for most linux packages. * Delete everything linux related # pkg_delete -rx linux * Check and clean out /compat/linux -- there shouldn't be any interesting= files left in this directory after the above step. As I recall, when I= did this, there was a ldconfig.hints file (which would be regenerated o= n demand), and some Acrobat related stuff under /compat/linux/home/matthe= w which I didn't care about, and which shouldn't have been there anyhow. # cd /compat/linux # find . -type f -ls # rm -rf * * Change the default Linux kernel version for emulation: # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=3D2.6.16 Also add "compat.linux.osrelease=3D2.6.16" to /etc/sysctl.conf so it gets reset on reboots. * Tell the ports system we want to use Fedora-10 as the Linux base by add= ing OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=3D f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS=3D f10 to /etc/make.conf. * Now install www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 from ports -- this should have = all of the following as dependencies (modulo any version updates that may h= ave happened since writing this): % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: Depends on: Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 if that isn't the case and you aren't getting the f10 flavour of those ports, double check everything you've done so far for errors, and try a= gain from the top. * Add nspluginwrapper to enable Firefox to load the flash add-on: # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper (This has a dependency list as long as your arm, so it might take some time...) Following the install instructions for the nspluginwrapper package (whi= ch you can redisplay by "pkg_info -Dx nspluginwrapper") install whatever = globally available plugins there are by running this as root: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i This puts plugins into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ which Firefox sh= ould read. Alternatively, install the plugins locally to your own user acco= unt by running that command under your own UID: % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash plugin = by typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash conten= t[*], and enjoy. * Check the list you made at the first step, and reinstall any other linu= x applications you want. =20 So far I've found flash10 under Fedora10 to be pretty stable and inoffens= ive on FreeBSD 7.2. You even get the sound track on Flash movies. However I= 'm still running Firefox with xpi-flashblock-1.5.11.2 and xpi-noscript-1.9.3= =2E3 on general principles Adobe Acrobat isn't working, but I think that's more to do with the map_a= t_zero stuff introduced in the last security advisory. Cheers, Matthew [*] I think there are one or two flash based things at YouTube.com --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig3C25793F9E69EEADB91BC045 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrkCgcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyl2ACdG1vz9btv0lIvX04TawzIqXpQ jfQAn18NgnMHGsy42g+EJXen9KyMawRl =7fyU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3C25793F9E69EEADB91BC045-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 09:36:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BE9106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:36:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBDB8FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F9621C1A67; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:36:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE41C02.2000705@locolomo.org> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:36:02 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: herbert langhans References: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> In-Reply-To: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Wifi Router and FreeeBSD - need some hints.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:36:04 -0000 herbert langhans wrote: > Hi Daemons, > I need some basic information about Wifi routers - very little I know about it. > > There is my FreeBSD-server (the other one is Linux) and some clients are connected with a LAN-switch. > > Now I want to add a Wifi Router to the network. I am not sure if I can set up the router without using some Windows software what comes with the router. > > My questions: > I just connect the Wifi router to the LAN and it should work? Or do I need any software (drivers) to keep the thing running? > > There must be some software to 'talk' to the router - for setup. Is there anything available for FreeBSD or do I need Windows environment (what I dont have available)? What did you use to install your Wifi-router? It depends on the router. Many if not most routers provide a web based configuration tool, but a special application may be needed to update firmware. I have an airport extreme, works great, but no web interface. My DSL is a 3Com with WiFi, it also has a web interface. I have seen routers that allows a commandline configuration tool, connect with ssh or telnet and upload or download the configuration with ftp. BR, Erik -- Erik Nrgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 10:15:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D64106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:15:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces@nabble.com) Received: from kuber.nabble.com (kuber.nabble.com [216.139.236.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7088FC2C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N208c-0001xb-KS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <26046547.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: henter2009 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: jeronimocalvop@googlemail.com References: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> Subject: Re: Anybody is using VirtualBox? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:15:52 -0000 Hi! I'm using 7.4 STABLE amd64, and i was not able to run it as well... from source, or even from packages... It keeps giving me the same error as you, btw I have been pointed in the past to one small fix, (that did not work from me as well) but did for others, let me find out this solution and re-posted for you! cheers! Yuri-10 wrote: > > I am tryingto run Windows under FreeBSD. > > When I run: > cat /dev/ad1s1 | VBoxManage stdin OutPutFile.vdi 21474836480 > on 80-RC2 I get this output: > ERROR: failed to create the VirtualBox object! > ERROR: code NS_ERROR_ABORT (0x80004004) - Operation aborted (extended > info not available) > Most likely, the VirtualBox COM server is not running or failed to start. > > No processes with name VirtualBox are running. > > What could be the problem? > Yuri > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ----- _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Anybody-is-using-VirtualBox--tp26040595p26046547.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 11:29:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C459106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:29:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boris.moulin@caliopea.com) Received: from smtpfb2-g21.free.fr (smtpfb2-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56598FC16 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr (smtp1-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.1]) by smtpfb2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70387CABF63 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E08940103; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.135] (beware-of-dogs.calyopea.com [82.231.131.106]) by smtp1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE8D9400E5; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE4330A.9080800@caliopea.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:18 +0100 From: "P. Moulin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4AE35DE8.2030607@calyopea.com> <20091024234614.1e2a7463.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091024234614.1e2a7463.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd 8rc1 & Puc driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:29:38 -0000 > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:04:56 +0200, "P. Moulin" wrote: > > and in pciconf -lv : > > vendor = 'Oxford Semiconductor Ltd' > > device = 'PCI Interface (disabled) (OX16PCI954)' > > class = bridge > > > > > > Can somebody tell me why the second PCI interface is flagged > > "disabled" ? How can I solve this ? > > I think the strings you see are identification strings obtained > either from the device itself, or from a file (of FreeBSD) that > transforms vendor/device 0xNNNN information into character > strings. ok, you'r perfectly right, this string come from /usr/src/share/misc/pci_vendors . It's leading the 0x9510 in my pciconf... Is it why I can't see my "puc" card ? Is it a brain damaged card ? Does that card's waiting for something being setup before changing it's pci identifier to something not 'disabled' ? T.I.A. PM. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 12:14:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52B8106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from director@paganel.info) Received: from cp125.agava.net (cp125.agava.net [89.108.67.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8108FC18 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.81.252.152] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by cp125.agava.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N21eg-0009Oj-Tr for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:53:02 +0300 Message-ID: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:53:17 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?0JDQvdGC0L7QvSDQkNC90LTRgNC10LXQstGB0LrQuNC5?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cp125.agava.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - paganel.info X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: Help me configure Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:14:40 -0000 Good day! I have a home network consisting of two computers. Computers through a router connected to the Internet providers. There is a static IP address (93.81.252.152). Now I installed FreeBSD on one of the computers. Then I installed Apache 1.3. By command telnet localhost 80 I saw on the computer screen index.html, which I created myself and placed in DocumentRoot. Unfortunately, the Internet browser does not display this page http://93.81.252.152 Show you how I configure Apache? Sincerely, Anton. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 12:29:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2562106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710488FC15 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-71-245.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.71.245]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6F43CDB6; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:29:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9PCTXui002095; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:29:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:29:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=90=D0=BD=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=BD_=D0=90=D0=BD=D0=B4=D1=80?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=B5=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=81=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9?= Message-Id: <20091025132933.7312b708.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> References: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help me configure Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:29:35 -0000 On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:53:17 +0300, Антон Андреевский wrote: > I have a home network consisting of two computers. Computers through a > router connected to the Internet providers. There is a static IP address > (93.81.252.152). > Now I installed FreeBSD on one of the computers. > Then I installed Apache 1.3. By command telnet localhost 80 I saw on the > computer screen index.html, which I created myself and placed in > DocumentRoot. > Unfortunately, the Internet browser does not display this page > http://93.81.252.152 > Show you how I configure Apache? Seems that Apache is configured correctly. As far as I see, you need to configure the router (connected to your ISP) to direct HTTP requests on port 80 to the one of your two computers that runs the Apache webserver; at the moment, the static IP points to the modem / router / whatever which does not know how to handle HTTP requests from the Internet. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 12:42:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A241065670 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4FD8FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.173.17.209] (helo=izar) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1N22Ql-0004Rk-QZ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:42:43 +0300 To: "P. Moulin" References: <4AE35DE8.2030607@calyopea.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:42:44 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4AE35DE8.2030607@calyopea.com> (P. Moulin's message of "Sat\, 24 Oct 2009 22\:04\:56 +0200") Message-ID: <86839483@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd 8rc1 & Puc driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:42:46 -0000 "P. Moulin" writes: > I have a multi-serial card with an Oxford OX16PCI954 on it. > Whatever I do, the oxford chip is not recognized. How many serial ports does it have? > in dmesg: > pci0: at device 12.0 (no driver attached) > > and in pciconf -lv : > none1@pci0:0:12:0: class=0x070006 card=0x00000000 chip=0x950c1415 > rev=0x00 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Oxford Semiconductor Ltd' > class = simple comms > subclass = UART Sometimes just adding a definition of the chip may help. Let's try it (assuming that the card has four serial ports): ----- --- sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c.orig 2009-10-25 15:23:41.000000000 +0300 +++ sys/dev/puc/pucdata.c 2009-10-25 15:29:32.000000000 +0300 @@ -643,6 +643,12 @@ PUC_PORT_4S, 0x10, 0, 8, }, + { 0x1415, 0x950c, 0xffff, 0, + "Oxford Semiconductor OX16PCI954 UARTs", + DEFAULT_RCLK, + PUC_PORT_4S, 0x10, 0, 8, + }, + { 0x1415, 0x9511, 0xffff, 0, "Oxford Semiconductor OX9160/OX16PCI954 UARTs (function 1)", DEFAULT_RCLK, ----- > none2@pci0:0:12:1: class=0x068000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x95101415 > rev=0x00 > hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'Oxford Semiconductor Ltd' > device = 'PCI Interface (disabled) (OX16PCI954)' > class = bridge Is it the same card? > Can somebody tell me why the second PCI interface is flagged > "disabled" ? How can I solve this ? > > (I have loaded puc from loader.conf, without more success). Both kernel modules (uart and puc) should be compiled in kernel or loaded as modules. And I don't use kernel module sio for a long time. Since uart and sio use the same hardware they shouldn't be used simultaneously. I used to have lines at my kernel: ----- nodevice sio device uart device puc ----- > PS: (un)works the same way with freebsd 7.2 & 8.0rc1.... -- WBR, bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 12:50:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F09106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrien.fontaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D418FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so9771779ewy.43 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:50:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UyKc4ZCSrryvjWEQSFeP5QxLcu9imT/13AToKKZ6GXU=; b=UlifKsvgB9BjSPAiJ5o2WTDgYpvyqI7D4MRMICk5DMQFPUXlIJlMPlO5R9IcSpRvRv Hmecz6Cg0mju9XHkG1lzYb9C93thgqM8h2MOJBmj75RboicKgPatafuqUq390FmGYNYF r+YZAAp/GCrfwo1qhWCQHiakBGukkZpM+DhIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kR29xEQYrKC0i676ubv4ibDoECt1lG9wpl1rvjBGfqGiHexYNKZ8Po1zJT/PRcpV8K 3C18b7U/XFzNzxXhw9oC4tYt5TjTXBzFK0G6snBKzfSARHoaeidedXqbxjy78pIqOUIW +OT5rWgX6tmPSeB7pnqchtYYZok5o2yQaTeys= Received: by 10.211.132.28 with SMTP id j28mr3015067ebn.56.1256473817489; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.11? (lns-bzn-49f-81-56-167-53.adsl.proxad.net [81.56.167.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm9660111eya.44.2009.10.25.05.30.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE444D6.8020805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:14 +0100 From: adrienfirst User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?0JDQvdGC0L7QvSDQkNC90LTRgNC10LXQstGB0LrQuNC5?= References: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> In-Reply-To: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help me configure Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:50:38 -0000 Антон Андреевский a écrit : > Good day! > I have a home network consisting of two computers. Computers through a > router connected to the Internet providers. There is a static IP > address (93.81.252.152). > Now I installed FreeBSD on one of the computers. > Then I installed Apache 1.3. By command telnet localhost 80 I saw on > the computer screen index.html, which I created myself and placed in > DocumentRoot. > Unfortunately, the Internet browser does not display this page > http://93.81.252.152 > Show you how I configure Apache? > Sincerely, Anton. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" It seems the problem is not your apache configuration, but your routeur configuration. What's the ip address of your freebsd ? - if it's 93.81.252.152, the problem is your apache config. - if it's a private ip address ( 192.168.x.x, 172.16.x.x, 172.31.x.x, 10.x.x.x ), you need to forward the http port on your router to the freebsd ip address. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 13:18:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60E4106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from festin@sakha.net) Received: from mail.sakha.net (mail.sakha.net [80.73.64.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A0C8FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.setstolica.ru) by mail.sakha.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N226t-000AVt-F5; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:22:11 +0900 Received: from 10.160.80.80 (SquirrelMail authenticated user festin@sakha.net) by mail.setstolica.ru with HTTP; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:22:11 +0900 (YAKT) Message-ID: <49321.10.160.80.80.1256473331.squirrel@mail.setstolica.ru> In-Reply-To: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> References: <4AE43C2D.2010609@paganel.info> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:22:11 +0900 (YAKT) From: festin@sakha.net To: =?utf-8?B?0JDQvdGC0L7QvSDQkNC90LTRgNC10LXQstGB0LrQuNC5?= User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help me configure Apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:18:42 -0000 Hi. You must configure port mapping (forwarding) on your router. Do you hardware router or *NIX-box? > Good day! > I have a home network consisting of two computers. Computers through a > router connected to the Internet providers. There is a static IP address > (93.81.252.152). > Now I installed FreeBSD on one of the computers. > Then I installed Apache 1.3. By command telnet localhost 80 I saw on the > computer screen index.html, which I created myself and placed in > DocumentRoot. > Unfortunately, the Internet browser does not display this page > http://93.81.252.152 > Show you how I configure Apache? > Sincerely, Anton. > _______________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 13:54:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C779F106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6320B8FC1A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9PDsPhm023217; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:54:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Erik Norgaard In-Reply-To: <4AE41C02.2000705@locolomo.org> Message-ID: References: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> <4AE41C02.2000705@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: herbert langhans , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Wifi Router and FreeeBSD - need some hints.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0000 On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, Erik Norgaard wrote: > herbert langhans wrote: >> Hi Daemons, >> I need some basic information about Wifi routers - very little I know >> about it. >> >> There is my FreeBSD-server (the other one is Linux) and some clients >> are connected with a LAN-switch. >> >> Now I want to add a Wifi Router to the network. I am not sure if I can >> set up the router without using some Windows software what comes with >> the router. >> My questions: >> I just connect the Wifi router to the LAN and it should work? Or do I >> need any software (drivers) to keep the thing running? In the simplest case, yes, you can just plug it in. But see below. >> There must be some software to 'talk' to the router - for setup. Is >> there anything available for FreeBSD or do I need Windows environment >> (what I dont have available)? What did you use to install your >> Wifi-router? > > It depends on the router. Many if not most routers provide a web based > configuration tool, but a special application may be needed to update > firmware. > > I have an airport extreme, works great, but no web interface. My DSL is > a 3Com with WiFi, it also has a web interface. I have seen routers that > allows a commandline configuration tool, connect with ssh or telnet and > upload or download the configuration with ftp. I have never installed an airport, but I have installed many consumer-grade Linksys, D-Link and Netgear WiFi boxes. They *all* have had a web interface and were pretty simple to set up. One thing to watch out for: before plugging in the ethernet wire, check the manual to see what the box's default IP address is. If it's the same as your gateway, you'll have to take steps to isolate them during the time it takes to change the WiFi box's IP. Other than changing the IP (and a password), all I've ever done is set up the wireless channel, SSID and encryption (type and key). HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging <|> ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 14:21:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94BA106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:21:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B58FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9PELD8a026474; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9PELDgH026471; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: herbert langhans In-Reply-To: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> Message-ID: References: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:13 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Wifi Router and FreeeBSD - need some hints.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:21:14 -0000 On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, herbert langhans wrote: > Hi Daemons, > I need some basic information about Wifi routers - very little I know about it. > > There is my FreeBSD-server (the other one is Linux) and some clients are connected with a LAN-switch. > > Now I want to add a Wifi Router to the network. I am not sure if I can set up the router without using some Windows software what comes with the router. > > My questions: > I just connect the Wifi router to the LAN and it should work? Or do I need any software (drivers) to keep the thing running? Many, probably most wireless routers are configured through a web browser now. Initial setup might require an Ethernet connection to the LAN side of the router, depending. You should not need any special drivers for the router. Of course the computers that are to connect wirelessly will need drivers for their own wireless hardware. The wireless router itself is just another router with all the standard router issues: firewalling, bridging, and DHCP with the existing network, port forwarding, and so on. Should all be configurable. > There must be some software to 'talk' to the router - for setup. Is > there anything available for FreeBSD or do I need Windows environment > (what I dont have available)? What did you use to install your > Wifi-router? Firefox (FreeBSD native) is adequate for a Linksys WRT54 with dd-wrt firmware (recommended, see http://www.dd-wrt.com). -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 15:04:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2631065676 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from sv4.hmnoc.net (sv4.hmnoc.net [63.247.76.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CF98FC1C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [187.78.72.104] (port=63112 helo=papi.localnet) by sv4.hmnoc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N24eE-0008R4-TM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:04:47 -0200 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:04:29 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-RC1; KDE/4.3.1; amd64; ; ) References: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> <26046547.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <26046547.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910251204.30097.mlobo@digiart.art.br> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sv4.hmnoc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - digiart.art.br Subject: Re: Anybody is using VirtualBox? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:04:48 -0000 On Sunday 25 October 2009 07:15:50 henter2009 wrote: > Hi! > > I'm using 7.4 STABLE amd64, and i was not able to run it as well... from > source, or even from packages... > It keeps giving me the same error as you, btw I have been pointed in the > past to one small fix, (that did not work from me as well) but did for > others, let me find out this solution and re-posted for you! > > cheers! > > Yuri-10 wrote: > > I am tryingto run Windows under FreeBSD. > > > > When I run: > > cat /dev/ad1s1 | VBoxManage stdin OutPutFile.vdi 21474836480 > > on 80-RC2 I get this output: > > ERROR: failed to create the VirtualBox object! > > ERROR: code NS_ERROR_ABORT (0x80004004) - Operation aborted (extended > > info not available) > > Most likely, the VirtualBox COM server is not running or failed to start. > > > > No processes with name VirtualBox are running. > > > > What could be the problem? > > Yuri > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > ----- > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > against HTML e-mail X > / \ > This error sounds as if the /proc file system isn't mounted. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 17:19:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB92106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454D88FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so638795fgg.13 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:19:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SRFL3M8aNxOYUe/yyTrisTT8iTq/cbId1RSc078km0I=; b=mxsEuSVCCW9Ey/Og5Vtn9XX6IiSAXtbYgqNy2NrvsttREn0diMd2cVWZ+tEiT9P/Xh vyXLxVSEuRUr1Zd+Mz2jh2NCsrUj/mDb/7cXn2MMwhevIMeVBNf0YeFLJ/VQAmi7TZS9 mLGyNPDG074WZLHn4PPkarVyVRnxHUwyVTI38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Og+A45GiYfKcio7fZhxBVf9+b8zfts25sSxFGS81A5jPzPFCxeBQibYlGO72VIt7xG m0Hw3t6wEty/sXzXVohkeE5AbRYoRDrNAfZ3c1A+sAJoq4XX4wB+tFcZyxd0l8SVP4Ap PiqzxMfkR7hsDlHhXVAVoVpdW2XeJQ0KIsz2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.183.30 with SMTP id s30mr1218979hbg.171.1256491177912; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:19:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091025021009.051de285.dcdowse@gmx.net> References: <1338880b0910240008h5d5e7846q8ccf184728d9e036@mail.gmail.com> <20091025021009.051de285.dcdowse@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: "Daniel C. Dowse" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kelly Martin , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: changing cron's From: address in emails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:39 -0000 2009/10/25 Daniel C. Dowse > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:08:21 -0600 > Kelly Martin wrote: > > > Greetings, here's a simple question for the FreeBSD gurus out there. I > > have several servers running cron scripts daily for me, and they all > > send me e-mail with their output. Regardless of which server it is, > > each of these e-mails have the From: address looking exactly the same. > > They all say they are from the "Cron Daemon". Fine, but I'd like to > > know more clearly which server the cron output is from. > > > > How can I change the From: address of these emails to "Myserver Cron > > Daemon" instead? I know cron runs as the user, so it's not immediately > > obvious to me how to change the From: field. Already the subject line > > says something like "Cron ..." but this doesn't stand > > out enough for my tired eyes. > > Why don`t you just create some filter rules in your mua ? > It may makes it clear for you if you create a folder for each host > and filter your msg on receiving ? > > e.g. > > Inbox > ... > CronDir > - Host 1 > - Host 2 > .... > > > Cheers > > Daniel > > -- > Just because I don`t care - Doesn`t mean I don`t understand ! > -- Homer J. Simpson > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The simplist way to do it is get you scripts to print out a to, from and subject line at the top of their output containing the information you want. eg To: your@mailbox.com From: scriptname@hostname.com Subject: scriptname, hostname other script output Then in the cron pipe the output into sendmail with the t flag eg 1 1 * * * somescript 2>&1 | /usr/sbin/sendmail -t you will then get the loverly named emails From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 17:28:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF951065679 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671768FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so9223108ywh.3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=26tiGSxordAk7FfZfejr7StMIZJAn9OV87DUaohAqvU=; b=H6CmV64fX8VboGsvzBGS53ll/cFGYROvGXVUUI93nT4IwXswrGHrJnGm/JDgttyT9b e+iQN45/3SLmd9TCf6kBK+7TXhUcxWtHFaPbtPaYuQ2c+3UyipbkeeWwnE1pe8N7Hy1/ b0VX2rV6zb1zLduMiS2nyrG0TKMI21EIjk6BQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ibBW6hut3/Q6PH+25YQ3hF7uwJwgjU+IYc414OnhjZkA/eBGtG8nQOiTtms1vzfaBH 8mPw/iVXK/H6MHnYgrltHnA5oh14JTkPV0q8qePqnw/V/ziAPHTAKGvrn0G4CmtuPnJ4 oyTrJX6EBmhZ9q8ItXgqulm/cywIuhVZ6gdQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.49.19 with SMTP id b19mr8321514ank.146.1256491681518; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:28:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE2F431.7070504@poughkeepsieschools.org> References: <4AE2E84F.6060703@poughkeepsieschools.org> <4AE2F431.7070504@poughkeepsieschools.org> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:28:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: "B. Cook" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: most bizarre libc.so.7 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:28:02 -0000 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html#CANONICAL-BUILD Look at "the following recommended sequence": 1. make buildworld 2. make buildkernel 3. make installkernel 4. reboot in single user [*] 5. mergemaster -p 6. make installworld 7. mergemaster 8. reboot Your steps skip steps 4 and 5. Note that it's been said many times, especially with remote hosting. 4 can be modified to read something like: 4. Boot with only required programs to run steps 5 and 6. In most cases, it's just sshd that needs to be running. This means editing /etc/rc.conf and disabling everything except sshd and the IP networking/routing. The purpose of 4 is to stop other people, binaries, or daemons running and using files that need to be updated. Redirecting or piping in steps 1, 2, 3 and 6 are optional. I'd love to have a logfile myself most of these things. Either script(1) or tee(1) it. Please update your script per directions. and I would definitely cut the 4 && commands away from each other. they're not related and didn't seem to do the purpose you probably intended it to do. --Tim From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 17:37:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E72106568B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B682A8FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9PHbnV4011654; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE48CEB.5000008@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:37:47 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ltcddats@nildram.co.uk References: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> <20091024175304.7f4f5d4d@davids-website.com> In-Reply-To: <20091024175304.7f4f5d4d@davids-website.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody is using VirtualBox? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:37:49 -0000 ltcddats@nildram.co.uk wrote: > compiled virtual box this morning with additions to run winblows 2003 > server. So far it is working better than the xp version which is good > as it is one less reason to have to put in the xp harddrive > Are you trying to run more than one image copied from the same file? > if so use vboxmanage internalcommands sethduuid to change the id of the > second image file as renaming does not do that, and you get an error if > you try to run it. > No, I am not trying to run multiple files. Even command VirtualBox fails the same way: "Failed to create the VictualBox COM object." "The application will now terminate." Details: Callee RC: NS_ERROR_ABORT (0x800004004) Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 18:16:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67DE1065679 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B88FC18 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9PIGnnA008852; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:16:50 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4AE49611.4030008@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:16:49 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090830) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Cavanaugh References: <200910231717.AA243925902@mail.Go2France.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: FW: DNS Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:16:52 -0000 Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > The other interesting side would be reverse DNS lookups. Only one > record would be returned, and most likely would be the original A > record. A nice example of this is doing a basic "ping -a ww.yahoo.com" > which you get back that it is resolving "www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com". As a comment on reverse DNS lookups, although the example Sean gave should have a single PTR entry as the result of a reverse lookup, in general reverse DNS lookups can return *multiple* values. If multiple A records pointing at the same numeric address exist, the reverse lookup on that address must (if correct) return the corresponding multiple names. RFC 2181 (Clarifications to the DNS Specification), section 10.2: 10.2. PTR records Confusion about canonical names has lead to a belief that a PTR record should have exactly one RR in its RRSet. This is incorrect, the relevant section of RFC1034 (section 3.6.2) indicates that the value of a PTR record should be a canonical name. That is, it should not be an alias. There is no implication in that section that only one PTR record is permitted for a name. No such restriction should be inferred. Note that while the value of a PTR record must not be an alias, there is no requirement that the process of resolving a PTR record not encounter any aliases. The label that is being looked up for a PTR value might have a CNAME record. That is, it might be an alias. The value of that CNAME RR, if not another alias, which it should not be, will give the location where the PTR record is found. That record gives the result of the PTR type lookup. This final result, the value of the PTR RR, is the label which must not be an alias. OK, there's a couple of big questions, which is how many DNS configs actually obey this and how much application code allows for it, but that's the spec. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 18:21:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C31106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591478FC19 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji.config (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23ECF805C8888B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:21:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE49717.6020506@onetel.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:21:11 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: incorrect info in mysql docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:21:13 -0000 hi, I just noticed this at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/automatic-start.html On FreeBSD, startup scripts generally should go in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. The rc(8) manual page states that scripts in this directory are executed only if their basename matches the *.sh shell file name pattern. Any other files or directories present within the directory are silently ignored. In other words, on FreeBSD, you should install the mysql.server script as /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql.server.sh to enable automatic startup. That's not actually right is it? My mysql is started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server. rc(8) says *.sh is for older style startup scripts or for scripts that are to be read into the current shell. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 18:34:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A79106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neuhauser@sigpipe.cz) Received: from isis.sigpipe.cz (fw.sigpipe.cz [213.192.2.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E648FC0A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by isis.sigpipe.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 978AF147C44; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:39:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:39:07 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Chris Whitehouse Message-ID: <20091025183907.GC54137@isis.sigpipe.cz> References: <4AE49717.6020506@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE49717.6020506@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: incorrect info in mysql docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:34:07 -0000 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 06:21:11PM +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/automatic-start.html > > On FreeBSD, [...] you should install the mysql.server script as > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql.server.sh to enable automatic startup. > > That's not actually right is it? My mysql is started by > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server. rc(8) says *.sh is for older style > startup scripts or for scripts that are to be read into the current shell. yup, third-party documentation tends to be stale. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 18:57:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3BD106566B for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089558FC12 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N28H4-0003ms-EL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:57:06 +0100 Received: from pool-72-75-59-184.washdc.east.verizon.net ([72.75.59.184]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:57:06 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-72-75-59-184.washdc.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:57:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:57:38 -0400 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <4AE49717.6020506@onetel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-75-59-184.washdc.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: incorrect info in mysql docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:57:08 -0000 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > hi, > > I just noticed this at > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/automatic-start.html > > On FreeBSD, startup scripts generally should go in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. > The rc(8) manual page states that scripts in this directory are executed > only if their basename matches the *.sh shell file name pattern. Any > other files or directories present within the directory are silently > ignored. In other words, on FreeBSD, you should install the mysql.server > script as /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql.server.sh to enable automatic startup. That was before the import of the rc.subr subsystem from NetBSD. Sounds like the docs may be a trifle stale. > That's not actually right is it? My mysql is started by > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server. rc(8) says *.sh is for older style > startup scripts or for scripts that are to be read into the current shell. > The rc.subr start up system was imported from NetBSD quite some time ago, I think it might have been sometime around the 6.0 to 6.2 time frame. I know this bit me because I had mostly not bothered with executing mergemaster during updates and at some point only scripts with the .sh extension would run. When others told me they did not experience this I got to looking for the culprit and it was that I had failed to update the /etc/rc.d properly with mergemaster to bring in the newly imported rc.subr subsystem. Before the rc.subr import from NetBSD the .sh extension was correct; some other OS's call these "legacy" start up scripts. After the rc.subr import the .sh extension is no longer required for scripts that are written in compliance to the new spec. If you examine a very old start up script from the pre rc.subr days and what is currently in use you will see a slight difference in the way the scripts are constructed internally. The .sh extension "legacy" scripts may still run if marked as executable, but the difference is that they do not contain the rc.subr hooks, and therefore will require the .sh extension for operation, as per the man page you described above. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 19:05:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1711065679 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744E78FC1A for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9PJ5oRh026007 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE4A18D.5020906@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:05:49 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE329EE.5030402@rawbw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Anybody is using VirtualBox? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:05:50 -0000 After some debugging I found that VBoxSVC throws an exception because file /root/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml is missing. Who is supposed to create this file? 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The rc(8) manual page states that scripts in >this directory are executed only if their basename matches the *.sh >shell file name pattern. Any other files or directories present within >the directory are silently ignored. In other words, on FreeBSD, you >should install the mysql.server script >as /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql.server.sh to enable automatic startup. > >That's not actually right is it? My mysql is started by >/usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server. rc(8) says *.sh is for older style >startup scripts or for scripts that are to be read into the current >shell. A start-up script is install automatically when using the ports system. You do need to activate it via /etc/rc.conf however. Perhaps MySQL could be prodded to post a reference to this on their website. It might help to avoid confusion. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Death is Nature's way of recycling human beings. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 19:46:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990A7106566C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5788FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120353CEDF; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:46:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9PJkTLd002052; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:46:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:46:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20091025204628.5778a7da.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091025151117.7442972a@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4AE49717.6020506@onetel.com> <20091025151117.7442972a@scorpio.seibercom.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: incorrect info in mysql docs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:46:31 -0000 On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:11:17 -0400, Jerry wrote: > A start-up script is install automatically when using the ports system. > You do need to activate it via /etc/rc.conf however. Or in /etc/rc.conf.local, to illustrate the concept of the /usr/local/ subtrees in relation to the system's ones. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 21:14:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5721065670 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B59C88FC1E for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Oct 2009 21:14:38 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 25 Oct 2009 22:14:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VD1UMNUFVN9SqZzVfGYo5sx/IUGTBfBwmN56/e7 cPHwglDuDyNoUj Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:14:36 +0100 From: herbert langhans To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091025211436.GA863@sandcat> References: <20091025074010.GA1587@sandcat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Subject: Re: Wifi Router and FreeeBSD - need some hints.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:14:40 -0000 Thanks a lot for all the input - in lack of such a Wifi router to experiment I thought its much more difficult, like build a gateway from the server or such. I will buy one tomorrow.. Soon I will enter the world of tomorrow where information floats through the aether! (no stumbling over the LAN cable anymore..) Cheers herb langhans On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 08:21:13AM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009, herbert langhans wrote: > > >Hi Daemons, > >I need some basic information about Wifi routers - very little I know > >about it............... -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 25 23:40:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE0C10656A3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jpg@gmx.com) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411D18FC13 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gomwe.mcc.ac.uk ([10.2.18.2]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2Cgp-0005bC-Kp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:39:59 +0000 Received: from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com ([86.179.86.196]:53246 helo=bsdbox.griffinet.org) by gomwe.mcc.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2Cgp-0007sR-Gv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:39:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:39:57 +0000 From: Jamie Griffin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: Jamie Griffin from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com (bsdbox.griffinet.org) [86.179.86.196]:53246 X-Authenticated-From: jamie.griffin@student.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. 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Subject: can't make www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:40:00 -0000 Hi, i'm trying to build the www/linux-f10-flashplugin port and i'm getting the following error on make: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 79: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 145: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f10") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 171: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 173: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 421: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 459: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 461: if-less else "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 463: if-less endif "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 477: Malformed conditional ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 479: if-less else "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 481: if-less endif Error expanding embedded variable. I don't know what this means and i'm not sure how to fix it. Can anyone help? I'm using FreeBSD 7.2, my ports tree is up to date (did it earlier today). I did have flashplugin 9 installed with the linux-f4-core, but i've removed this, installed the f10-core and then started having problems with the flashplugin. Thanks in advance for any advice/help. Jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 00:18:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576A61065693 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f185.google.com (mail-pz0-f185.google.com [209.85.222.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E238FC1B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk15 with SMTP id 15so6545345pzk.3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WD64ie662YRS0+8RIwKSjS/6/oHeLjL2bs6qBWxWPfg=; b=XBvWZId9SD+L997TtMmla6wkSNrUbbUCkFMon4YR1nYfs3tfSBmBEvdjcxMIRmAERu 0PPIqsynJZ2mfeqvNQrGehFs3GTZyshhBxfA6kd22AjjwTYmAlXEFLsh6Z9/BOU1v02P YAdu6hhYhpzl3C3YSiKH2gVNNlCnmtXv9ec5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Y6CcCOSPgCZSKTh/i7/PdddVtyhAc7s7boqK2HZQlfzrVyYQI+S/EzHi3QoQjy6w9Y 1atxrdZjriCokQIzqGhEko8lc0EdTlj1ZMVKiCyBqrSQMF39L+v5PA4QrlgbRor3LkLx d1kVnycW6PPBV7h7B1mCkEOa/wBcDbUMRtFRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.8.20 with SMTP id 20mr1053117wfh.77.1256516288622; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:18:08 +1100 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:18:09 -0000 Dear All, This may sound like a Windows problem, but please read on. I made a mistake and bought a WD "My Passport" external 350GB disc drive for use on several Windows machines, on some of which I don't have admin access, and a couple of FreeBSD systems. On first use on Windows the disc shows up only as a virtual CD (I assume this is the firmware), "unlock.exe" has to be run and the software installed (admin privileges necessary). Once it's unlocked and the software installed, the big disc appears, the software can be uninstalled, and the big disc reformatted as NTFS. From then on, the virtual CD can be ignored and the big disc used on any Windows system. Now to FreeBSD. The newly formatted (as NTFS) disc appears as two devices - /dev/cd0 (never seen this before) and /dev/da0s1 (the normal USB disc drive device). They can be mounted as follows: freebsd [10:45] ~#mount_udf /dev/cd0 /mnt freebsd [10:45] ~#mount /usb0 (/etc/fstab describes the NTFS file system type, and the virtual CD is a UDF file system). We now have: freebsd [10:46] ~#df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/cd0 582962 582962 0 100% /mnt /dev/da0s1 311877845 2332729 309545116 1% /usb0 If we look at each device, the virtual CD has the WD software, as expected: freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /mnt total 6300 drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:32 Extras -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 3680544 5 Sep 08:20 Unlock.exe drwxrwxrwx 5 501 staff 2048 5 Sep 08:30 User Manuals drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:28 WD SmartWare -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 2770208 5 Sep 08:20 WD SmartWare.exe -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 695 19 Jun 03:06 What is this.html -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 88 19 Jun 07:12 autorun.inf No problem. Now for the FreeBSD problem. If we look at what's on the big disc (newly formatted as NTFS on a Windows system): freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /usb0 total 75200 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 2560 23 Apr 2009 $AttrDef -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $BadClus -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 9746184 23 Apr 2009 $Bitmap -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 8192 25 Oct 14:37 $Boot drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Extend -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 67108864 25 Oct 14:37 $LogFile -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4096 25 Oct 14:37 $MFTMirr -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 23 Apr 2009 $Secure -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 131072 23 Apr 2009 $UpCase -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Volume drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 15:54 MyStuff drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 16:23 RECYCLER drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 System Volume Information The only thing that shows up in Windows is the "MyStuff" directory, which I put there. I can copy anything from "MyStuff" to anywhere else on the FreeBSD system, no worries. But if I attempt to copy a new file into the "MyStuff" directory, I get the following: freebsd [10:46] ~#cp ~/tmp/test /usb0/MyStuff cp: /usb0/MyStuff/test: No such file or directory freebsd [11:08] ~# What on earth is going on? Why do I get the message that "test" does not exist, on the directory that I'm copying to? I can copy nothing to this big disc from FreeBSD, but can copy from it OK. Why are those other files there? Are they part of the standard Windows NTFS formatting? Can I use newfs(8) to make an NTFS file system on the big disc? Any pointers to a solution would be most welcome. I'm also trying to ask similar questions on the WD lists. Thanks for any help. Cheers, Rob Hurle -- ----------------------------- Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language e-mail: rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 (Currently in Australia) Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 (Currently in Australia) ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 00:32:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FF21065694 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB818FC12 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4472418.home.otenet.gr [94.71.126.82]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9Q0Wu4W032551; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:32:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:32:56 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob1940@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:32:59 -0000 Rob Hurle wrote: > Dear All, > > This may sound like a Windows problem, but please read on. I made a > mistake and bought a WD "My Passport" external 350GB disc drive for > use on several Windows machines, on some of which I don't have admin > access, and a couple of FreeBSD systems. > > On first use on Windows the disc shows up only as a virtual CD (I > assume this is the firmware), "unlock.exe" has to be run and the > software installed (admin privileges necessary). Once it's unlocked > and the software installed, the big disc appears, the software can be > uninstalled, and the big disc reformatted as NTFS. From then on, the > virtual CD can be ignored and the big disc used on any Windows system. > > Now to FreeBSD. The newly formatted (as NTFS) disc appears as two > devices - /dev/cd0 (never seen this before) This is how a USB cdrom appears to FreeBSD - as a SCSI device. No problem there. > and /dev/da0s1 (the normal > USB disc drive device). They can be mounted as follows: > > freebsd [10:45] ~#mount_udf /dev/cd0 /mnt > freebsd [10:45] ~#mount /usb0 > > (/etc/fstab describes the NTFS file system type, and the virtual CD is > a UDF file system). We now have: > > freebsd [10:46] ~#df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/cd0 582962 582962 0 100% /mnt > /dev/da0s1 311877845 2332729 309545116 1% /usb0 > > If we look at each device, the virtual CD has the WD software, as expected: > > freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /mnt > total 6300 > drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:32 Extras > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 3680544 5 Sep 08:20 Unlock.exe > drwxrwxrwx 5 501 staff 2048 5 Sep 08:30 User Manuals > drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:28 WD SmartWare > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 2770208 5 Sep 08:20 WD SmartWare.exe > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 695 19 Jun 03:06 What is this.html > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 88 19 Jun 07:12 autorun.inf > > No problem. Now for the FreeBSD problem. If we look at what's on the > big disc (newly formatted as NTFS on a Windows system): > > freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /usb0 > total 75200 > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 2560 23 Apr 2009 $AttrDef > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $BadClus > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 9746184 23 Apr 2009 $Bitmap > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 8192 25 Oct 14:37 $Boot > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Extend > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 67108864 25 Oct 14:37 $LogFile > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4096 25 Oct 14:37 $MFTMirr > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 23 Apr 2009 $Secure > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 131072 23 Apr 2009 $UpCase > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Volume > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 15:54 MyStuff > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 16:23 RECYCLER > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 System Volume > Information > > The only thing that shows up in Windows is the "MyStuff" directory, > which I put there. I can copy anything from "MyStuff" to anywhere > else on the FreeBSD system, no worries. But if I attempt to copy a > new file into the "MyStuff" directory, I get the following: > > freebsd [10:46] ~#cp ~/tmp/test /usb0/MyStuff > cp: /usb0/MyStuff/test: No such file or directory > freebsd [11:08] ~# > > You are using the ntfs driver that is built-in the FreeBSD kernel. This is read only - you will be able to read from the disc, but not write to it. In order to be able to write to this disc, install sysutils/fusefs-ntfs and use the ntfs-3g command to mount your disk. If you are not going to use the disc to transfer data between Windows and FreeBSD, I would advise you to repartition the disk and create an NTFS partition for your windows data and a FreeBSD partition in UFS format. Just backup any data, and use windows disk management to create an appropriately sized NTFS partition, leaving the rest of the disk unallocated. Then use fdisk and bsdlabel (or sysinstall) in FreeBSD to create a slice and partition for FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 01:33:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E2E1065679 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0EE8FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1160589pwj.3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:33:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=igC8Jq0l00sxlhnZ8lXuX+C4JxsKekDN5V4ATmIqlws=; b=T5n5GEzNc4lXX3Y5xVTMmY/Id3NdAq2/Ctav/hGMArztk1xOQf4fD1iuxeVgahMbyi GI/Dl80ZCg/cqvxZMrgpOq6C35ZUR6Yt+zAkr6fTMuVW8xk+c03czU3jJtzuDyEDGDqE 7Qe2h3NrOPbLElBCJdtmCEpftP4UVhIM/LFmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BdrSWvJdQZShBkghF/2q+IAlJcyfZfM/X8U037ctmYXLXPb605P1rdoTAnjjhDrNL3 GCML8p9pmL5xcR6EqamGi21Ww9rtQ3z5WtiOGgTZb+BKOfnQEZall6fv3/JS9wqhfZtJ HGLPp4cSUPfYIxJuUqs5z6tsK1tPo1xGeDM4Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.6.11 with SMTP id 11mr1089725wff.260.1256520796541; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:33:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:33:16 +1100 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:33:17 -0000 Hi Manolis, Thanks very much for that very helpful reply: >> =C2=A0 Now to FreeBSD. =C2=A0The newly formatted (as NTFS) disc appears = as two >> devices - /dev/cd0 (never seen this before) > > This is how a USB cdrom appears to FreeBSD - as a SCSI device. No > problem there. >>.... >> cp: /usb0/MyStuff/test: No such file or directory >> freebsd [11:08] ~# >> > You are using the ntfs driver that is built-in the FreeBSD kernel. This > is read only - you will be able to read from the disc, but not write to i= t. > > In order to be able to write to this disc, install sysutils/fusefs-ntfs > and use the ntfs-3g command to mount your disk. I've done that, and it looks good, but when I try to use it: freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ll /dev/da0s1 crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 26 Oct 09:02 /dev/da0s1 freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/da0s1 /mnt fuse: failed to open fuse device: No such file or directory So the device is there, but ntfs-3g fails to see it. Obviously mount_ntfs sees it OK, from my previous experiments. ntfs-3g.probe exits with no errors, so it appears that it can see it OK: freebsd [12:32] ~#ntfs-3g.probe --readwrite /dev/da0s1 freebsd [12:32] ~# Is there something else that I need to install? > If you are not going to use the disc to transfer data between Windows > and FreeBSD, I would advise you to repartition the disk and create an > NTFS partition for your windows data and a FreeBSD partition in UFS Unfortunately, this is not the case. I need to transfer between FreeBSD and Windows, both ways :-( Thanks again. Rob Hurle --=20 ----------------------------- Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language e-mail: rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 (Currently in Australia) Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 (Currently in Australia) ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 02:14:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02CB106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dcdowse@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07F848FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Oct 2009 02:14:07 -0000 Received: from p4FD4ED8A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO bytebox) [79.212.237.138] by mail.gmx.net (mp049) with SMTP; 26 Oct 2009 03:14:07 +0100 X-Authenticated: #30106961 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1//bMIS2t3/MIMqpwdasdQJwE49I4Ln+lmuWR39tR BT41HlhEENBpaw Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:14:06 +0100 From: "Daniel C. Dowse" To: rob1940@gmail.com Message-Id: <20091026031406.83a48307.dcdowse@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:14:09 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:33:16 +1100 Rob Hurle wrote: > Hi Manolis, >=20 > Thanks very much for that very helpful reply: >=20 > >> =A0 Now to FreeBSD. =A0The newly formatted (as NTFS) disc appears as t= wo > >> devices - /dev/cd0 (never seen this before) > > > > This is how a USB cdrom appears to FreeBSD - as a SCSI device. No > > problem there. > >>.... > >> cp: /usb0/MyStuff/test: No such file or directory > >> freebsd [11:08] ~# > >> > > You are using the ntfs driver that is built-in the FreeBSD kernel. This > > is read only - you will be able to read from the disc, but not write to= it. > > > > In order to be able to write to this disc, install sysutils/fusefs-ntfs > > and use the ntfs-3g command to mount your disk. >=20 > I've done that, and it looks good, but when I try to use it: >=20 > freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ll /dev/da0s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 26 Oct 09:02 /dev/da0s1 > freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/da0s1 /mnt > fuse: failed to open fuse device: No such file or directory >=20 > So the device is there, but ntfs-3g fails to see it. Obviously > mount_ntfs sees it OK, from my previous experiments. ntfs-3g.probe > exits with no errors, so it appears that it can see it OK: >=20 > freebsd [12:32] ~#ntfs-3g.probe --readwrite /dev/da0s1 > freebsd [12:32] ~# >=20 > Is there something else that I need to install? >=20 > > If you are not going to use the disc to transfer data between Windows > > and FreeBSD, I would advise you to repartition the disk and create an > > NTFS partition for your windows data and a FreeBSD partition in UFS >=20 > Unfortunately, this is not the case. I need to transfer between > FreeBSD and Windows, both ways :-( Thanks again. >=20 Hi,=20 is the kernel module /usr/local/modules/ fuse.ko loaded ? =20 Daniel ----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 02:16:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93EA106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtai104.cox.net (eastrmmtai104.cox.net [68.230.240.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABB88FC12 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091026020551.YZEG913.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:05:51 -0400 Received: from [10.254.239.137] ([68.0.79.23]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id xE5q1c0030WARwL02E5qdF; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:05:50 -0400 X-VR-Score: -160.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0LF1de5yfm4Ca2sG08wA:9 a=3iR4EMoDT-q3-gNInZEA:7 a=SUBhAo68xRi5E-9mctL_I48rCD0A:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4AE50443.7020006@cox.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:06:59 -0500 From: Derek Funk User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob1940@gmail.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:16:55 -0000 Rob Hurle wrote: > Dear All, > > This may sound like a Windows problem, but please read on. I made a > mistake and bought a WD "My Passport" external 350GB disc drive for > use on several Windows machines, on some of which I don't have admin > access, and a couple of FreeBSD systems. > > On first use on Windows the disc shows up only as a virtual CD (I > assume this is the firmware), "unlock.exe" has to be run and the > software installed (admin privileges necessary). Once it's unlocked > and the software installed, the big disc appears, the software can be > uninstalled, and the big disc reformatted as NTFS. From then on, the > virtual CD can be ignored and the big disc used on any Windows system. > > Now to FreeBSD. The newly formatted (as NTFS) disc appears as two > devices - /dev/cd0 (never seen this before) and /dev/da0s1 (the normal > USB disc drive device). They can be mounted as follows: > > freebsd [10:45] ~#mount_udf /dev/cd0 /mnt > freebsd [10:45] ~#mount /usb0 > > (/etc/fstab describes the NTFS file system type, and the virtual CD is > a UDF file system). We now have: > > freebsd [10:46] ~#df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/cd0 582962 582962 0 100% /mnt > /dev/da0s1 311877845 2332729 309545116 1% /usb0 > > If we look at each device, the virtual CD has the WD software, as expected: > > freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /mnt > total 6300 > drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:32 Extras > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 3680544 5 Sep 08:20 Unlock.exe > drwxrwxrwx 5 501 staff 2048 5 Sep 08:30 User Manuals > drwxr-xr-x 3 501 staff 2048 12 Sep 05:28 WD SmartWare > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 2770208 5 Sep 08:20 WD SmartWare.exe > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 695 19 Jun 03:06 What is this.html > -rwxrwxrwx 1 501 staff 88 19 Jun 07:12 autorun.inf > > No problem. Now for the FreeBSD problem. If we look at what's on the > big disc (newly formatted as NTFS on a Windows system): > > freebsd [10:45] ~#ll /usb0 > total 75200 > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 2560 23 Apr 2009 $AttrDef > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $BadClus > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 9746184 23 Apr 2009 $Bitmap > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 8192 25 Oct 14:37 $Boot > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Extend > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 67108864 25 Oct 14:37 $LogFile > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4096 25 Oct 14:37 $MFTMirr > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 23 Apr 2009 $Secure > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 131072 23 Apr 2009 $UpCase > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 $Volume > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 15:54 MyStuff > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 16:23 RECYCLER > drwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 0 25 Oct 14:37 System Volume > Information > > The only thing that shows up in Windows is the "MyStuff" directory, > which I put there. I can copy anything from "MyStuff" to anywhere > else on the FreeBSD system, no worries. But if I attempt to copy a > new file into the "MyStuff" directory, I get the following: > > freebsd [10:46] ~#cp ~/tmp/test /usb0/MyStuff > cp: /usb0/MyStuff/test: No such file or directory > freebsd [11:08] ~# > > What on earth is going on? Why do I get the message that "test" does > not exist, on the directory that I'm copying to? I can copy nothing > to this big disc from FreeBSD, but can copy from it OK. Why are those > other files there? Are they part of the standard Windows NTFS > formatting? Can I use newfs(8) to make an NTFS file system on the big > disc? Any pointers to a solution would be most welcome. I'm also > trying to ask similar questions on the WD lists. Thanks for any help. > > Cheers, > Rob Hurle > I would use a tool like gparted and FAT32 the drive... It may run a bit slower but both systems can read and write to it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 02:38:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CC0106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E578FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smoochies.rachie.is-a-geek.net (mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.11]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E7F7E853; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:38:13 -0800 (AKDT) From: Mel Flynn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:38:08 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-RC1; KDE/4.3.1; i386; ; ) References: <4AE2E84F.6060703@poughkeepsieschools.org> <4AE2F431.7070504@poughkeepsieschools.org> In-Reply-To: <4AE2F431.7070504@poughkeepsieschools.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910260338.09041.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Cc: "B. Cook" Subject: Re: most bizarre libc.so.7 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:38:15 -0000 On Saturday 24 October 2009 14:33:53 B. Cook wrote: > B. Cook wrote, On 10/24/2009 7:43 AM: > 49 ===> lib/libc (install) > 50 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libc.a /usr/lib > 51 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libc_p.a /usr/lib > 52 install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 -fschg -S libc.so.7 /lib > 53 install: /lib/libc.so.7: chflags: Invalid argument > 54 *** Error code 71 When on ZFS, set NO_FSCHG in /etc/src.conf. For the time being, file flags are not supported on ZFS. -- Mel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 02:41:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0AF106568F for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kennethcf@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2838F8FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:41:30 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=holDEYpGCfdGWCxTGByXakyiCf1+Cca9/xe9HViemtLreBtaNpjsCVj4pg3xI1AZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.68] (helo=wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N2FWU-0007Zv-Ks; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:41:30 -0400 Received: from 66.32.208.121 by webmail.c.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:41:30 -0400 Message-ID: <10593087.1256524890457.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Freidank To: Henry Olyer , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: fa60bc5202b74016ef7f91bc926e004c7e972de0d01da940d029393d3f29dba8e02753ad7544eef7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.68 Cc: Subject: Re: looking for /usr/ports/x11-driver, not /usr/ports/x11-drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kenneth Freidank List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:41:31 -0000 Sorry, the correct directory is #cd /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver -----Original Message----- >From: Henry Olyer >Sent: Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: looking for /usr/ports/x11-driver, not /usr/ports/x11-drivers > >I'm trying to X (re)configure a CQ60, which is not so trivial to do... > >Kenneth CF once wrote: > >> 2) Install the nvidia-driver. >> # cd /usr/ports/x11-driver/nvidia-driver >> # make install clean (I built with options FREEBSD_AGP checked, ACPI >checked, LINUX unchecked). >> > >And this was not a typo. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 03:03:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402E1106568F for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73038FC21 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-70-227.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.227]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9Q33Ikl002044; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:03:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4AE51171.1040207@bah.homeip.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:03:13 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob1940@gmail.com References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:03:22 -0000 Rob Hurle said the following on 2009-10-26 02:33: > freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ll /dev/da0s1 > crw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 122 26 Oct 09:02 /dev/da0s1 > freebsd [12:12] /usr/ports#ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/da0s1 /mnt > fuse: failed to open fuse device: No such file or directory kldload fusefs What does ls -la /dev/da* show you. > So the device is there, but ntfs-3g fails to see it. Probably kldload fusefs isn't loaded (until Saturday) > Obviously > mount_ntfs sees it OK, from my previous experiments. ntfs-3g.probe > exits with no errors, so it appears that it can see it OK: > > freebsd [12:32] ~#ntfs-3g.probe --readwrite /dev/da0s1 > freebsd [12:32] ~# > > Is there something else that I need to install? > >> If you are not going to use the disc to transfer data between Windows >> and FreeBSD, I would advise you to repartition the disk and create an >> NTFS partition for your windows data and a FreeBSD partition in UFS > > Unfortunately, this is not the case. I need to transfer between > FreeBSD and Windows, both ways :-( Thanks again. > > Rob Hurle From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 03:32:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD42E106568B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943CA8FC15 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2950445pxi.7 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=toTD1b64HW9PNDD/NDKjGF8Kz4Kp3NyzMUs9dC1ugyc=; b=m19uk3xYIZer+BTITaM3mda1d01jN3MBvDNT+yaeuOhx17g5xV6a9uV1qJVG+mgCmu HLybw/sZPxfGcxplvG9m5W2gHBMvdTLroBTNI48R5OjjRxtra2YdUdtCYox14SEPHYbp 5BjywJsgFasXIcL1RI6yQQ7CG8uqVlUjnKK40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=suzvJtmAaaUKA+/jCmfcUNguf1Fyfy5Gc7MJ7EAf/eae8Kj7q0bZoBUtTbeVzEbry8 ONalVUm34BCl9OlGejHbzC8ueXQQidQB5LxWXIgHJ4597Rg4LltuwRyNHGDMQYX1KoOT TcszAjqpyD9/x8xS4pq5yG5i2JKvHSomVoQiA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.67.14 with SMTP id p14mr1042226wfa.135.1256527922285; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE51171.1040207@bah.homeip.net> References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> <4AE51171.1040207@bah.homeip.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:32:02 +1100 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:32:02 -0000 Thank you to everyone who answered: > kldload fusefs > What does ls -la /dev/da* show you. > >> So the device is there, but ntfs-3g fails to see it. > > Probably kldload fusefs isn't loaded (until Saturday) > Yes, fuse.ko had to me copied from /usr/local/modules to /boot/kernel and then kloaded. Everything is fine now. Thanks again. Cheers, Rob Hurle -- ----------------------------- Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language e-mail: rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 (Currently in Australia) Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 (Currently in Australia) ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 05:31:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D0106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981AD8FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so10183592ewy.43 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:31:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TWRN3/Sy1Em8iXTpHSvEm1p2/tgWn/irdz9X61XABQ8=; b=hwpz4mxmKe9Y7PkUFqIj+8/FfFj6KA1X3DiBB9Oq6tBCTJKNUyS75qImCrmVj7Gpuq s8MfVuquEgRih0Z8gDCet2ydaG9iqcqqaV4AuuWIY0IuqIWwqM63aC08icQcl0TdwWoq VoqQ7j61Grnp0iCc6BMA1pq7ovvgwpQ8njymE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=MrAwrXQi7/Z3YQTpelljD4Eeqy7IxyduM2IiWWFxkOG0FjQmwhpeZXz+AAi3p4nUO0 CV+qcPj7s/m19/XSlQlzA85cEEJRc42DeQ5p/6tG3agPH3oGv1cezaRvXsZxZdhLXSVB Pz3DmIsmRW1Gv9tIyt/cMxJwe2fPej2N+mK1c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.142.18 with SMTP id u18mr1484530ebn.88.1256535103456; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:31:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ABE089C.3050300@onetel.com> References: <17216271.1252735922654.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <28d0cced0909251821g4b5a5ba4rc1c573a04804de1f@mail.gmail.com> <4ABE089C.3050300@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1d7089c40910252231y175ac076t6b640aac7d491564@mail.gmail.com> From: Henry Olyer To: Chris Whitehouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kenneth , Jules Gilbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: configuring X on the Presario with the 8200M driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:31:45 -0000 I need more information to make this work. help, please. And thank you! On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Jules Gilbert wrote: > >> now i got up (by doing the startx as root,) but i dont' have a working >> mouse. >> >> when I am in screen mode (normal, -- with no X.) when I move the >> mouse, I can see the 'arrow' pointer move just fine. >> >> So... >> >> > If you are running hald you probably need > > option "AutoAddDevices" "off" > option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" > > > in the ServerFlags section in xorg.conf > > Or you can configure hal to recognise them - there are various threads in > the archives i believe. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 06:53:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204F1065679 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:53:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7288FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so10208753ewy.43 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JK5GXgl0DRcUTiDgTZvPPapXKHpIa+XPrbth9GCSffs=; b=e1G9oBbXV7Faz63YI1ffLT7PGe2d6LvHkVsvN3hnAIThxG3HBofssEtdZHVRF4cNAN ONnJKiT5/WnTBpQ4XHa30wscwFksDeg/nyIyuL5TWwHLkFif50mre+3LPi2cOcOCRQ07 tWFf1lkuCRncQ5A1tcjGbarrEz4hAcTExQkAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=sfO7by41NMxe5VRlz+yQsE4Sca7nWmX9z1uWc/Eo6elgQGdORPXwVvxGz4AxLildHN vl5OKosg8nREOqWQ5nGSsUGvv7PQFVrnetYE8euMAj0sJRziCL1QeWaQllhFcoAkuRZR eOVQI8Cc9SCHY7dPKKcQri/idEm1FCHlc2n5g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.142.18 with SMTP id u18mr1563380ebn.88.1256540016906; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:53:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1d7089c40910252353t10d32cd7l45bb2ab7d3552879@mail.gmail.com> From: Henry Olyer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kenneth , Chris Whitehouse Subject: am I the only one, wrt gcc44 -- it is failing and I can't build octave or much else X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:53:38 -0000 'everything; is dying in /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 I know, (in all likelihood,) I'll have to scratch this area and do a complete re-install. Fine. The thing is, I didn't change anything to mess this area up in the first place. I've just been going to various directories in /usr/ports and saying, "make install clean" and now this... I was trying to put up octave when this happened. So I could use a little help here, please... I also want/need to run X, and my X session (just put up,) doesn't yet let me move the mouse. I installed hal and dbus but what do I do now? And where or where do I put the "ServerFlags" entry in my xorg.conf file. I'm sorry, I just don't know these things... ===> Building for gcc-4.4.2.20091006 echo stage3 > stage_final gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' rm -f stage_current gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libiberty' gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libiberty/testsuite' gmake[4]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libiberty/testsuite' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libiberty' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/intl' gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/intl' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libiberty' gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libiberty/testsuite' gmake[4]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libiberty/testsuite' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libiberty' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/fixincludes' gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/build-i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/fixincludes' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/zlib' true "AR_FLAGS=rc" "CC_FOR_BUILD=cc" "CFLAGS=-g -fkeep-inline-functions" "CXXFLAGS=-g -fkeep-inline-functions" "CFLAGS_FOR_BUILD=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/l ocal/include" "CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET=-g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include" "INSTALL=/usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel" "INSTALL_DATA=install -o root - g wheel -m 444" "INSTALL_PROGRAM=install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555" "INSTALL_SCRIPT=install -o root -g wheel -m 555" "LDFLAGS=" "LIBCFLAGS=-g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasin g -pipe -I/usr/local/include" "LIBCFLAGS_FOR_TARGET=-g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include" "MAKE=gmake" "MAKEINFO=makeinfo --no-split --split-size=5000 000 --split-size=5000000 --split-size=5000000" "PICFLAG=" "PICFLAG_FOR_TARGET=" "SHELL=/bin/sh" "EXPECT=expect" "RUNTEST=runtest" "RUNTESTFLAGS=" "exec_prefix=/usr/loca l" "infodir=/usr/local/info/gcc44" "libdir=/usr/local/lib/gcc44" "prefix=/usr/local" "tooldir=/usr/local/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2" "AR=ar" "AS=as" "CC=cc" "CXX=c++" "LD= /usr/bin/ld" "LIBCFLAGS=-g -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include" "NM=nm" "PICFLAG=" "RANLIB=ranlib" "DESTDIR=" DO=all multi-do # gmake gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/zlib' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libcpp' gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libcpp' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libdecnumber' gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/libdecnumber' gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/gcc' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc44/work/build/gcc' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 07:44:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812FA106568D for ; 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Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oslo.ath.cx (d91-128-195-8.cust.tele2.at [91.128.195.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e10sm13766672muf.51.2009.10.26.00.44.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ae5536a.0ab6660a.042e.ffffe943@mx.google.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:44:40 +0100 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> <4AE51171.1040207@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.7 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/23.1.50 (i386-pc-freebsd8.0) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:44:44 -0000 At Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:32:02 +1100, Rob Hurle wrote: > > Thank you to everyone who answered: > > > kldload fusefs > > What does ls -la /dev/da* show you. > > > >> So the device is there, but ntfs-3g fails to see it. > > > > Probably kldload fusefs isn't loaded (until Saturday) > > > > Yes, fuse.ko had to me copied from /usr/local/modules to /boot/kernel > and then kloaded. Everything is fine now. Thanks again. No. You only have to add "fusefs_enable=YES" to your /etc/rc.conf and run '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/fusefs start' or reboot. - Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 07:46:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469441065692 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:46:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4EE68FC1D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Oct 2009 07:46:17 -0000 Received: from pD952DA2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO core2duo.local) [217.82.218.46] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 26 Oct 2009 08:46:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/VES4a/ADVbZBbSE7/Yo4VAJTPleELosUECa52u0 JYhCttAPbx5g/n Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:46:13 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: Henry Olyer Message-Id: <20091026084613.a035300d.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <1d7089c40910252353t10d32cd7l45bb2ab7d3552879@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d7089c40910252353t10d32cd7l45bb2ab7d3552879@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Mon__26_Oct_2009_08_46_13_+0100_pg4GFlYg30P/HstH" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: am I the only one, wrt gcc44 -- it is failing and I can't build octave or much else X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:46:19 -0000 --Signature=_Mon__26_Oct_2009_08_46_13_+0100_pg4GFlYg30P/HstH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:53:36 -0400 Henry Olyer wrote: > 'everything; is dying in /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 Update and clean out your ports tree (portsnap/ portsclean). And then rebuild octave. Take a look at the error message. Does it tell you to put something like kern.maxdsiz=3D"734003200" into /boot/loader.conf? > I also want/need to run X, and my X session (just put up,) doesn't yet let > me move the mouse. I installed hal and dbus but what do I do now? >=20 > And where or where do I put the "ServerFlags" entry in my xorg.conf file. > I'm sorry, I just don't know these things... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 --Signature=_Mon__26_Oct_2009_08_46_13_+0100_pg4GFlYg30P/HstH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrlU8gACgkQ8P3NNypXNWUwngCfQxgTmSVfw9YCgBHg5fJlpsLK WVQAoKhGu8ZkEpxpNXzTR/4dZ8MnuIUt =qq8S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Mon__26_Oct_2009_08_46_13_+0100_pg4GFlYg30P/HstH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 08:03:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E63C106568B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271528FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so2404212eyd.9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=iK7SjygO6IwJjS8V5vGEoX3qCp80gKBaXe5CZsUS0mk=; b=moZDc87hdesXZCpkX0sycRzz/T+GwmRTjJd303z7VLtmQ8JcZcZZ1CmlBI/gCNSPf5 Yt93RJjxk4ln4bG3A1k2Mvkj9cr1pg4YHvyKps89wVbBuH+oWbWIqaB3DqwxN9zjaIs2 eAZBxmcekKe8FhJoX1W1/IfzSLVUf1Iz8oxVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=AulEQQutg6YbcNxbVj33X5LprBL35aYluSePAHznn9UocpMPoNqzXucNWrtK0mDQzN o36pYW9VSA2Nx9PlyVKlXQkY20FQAP/LqwG1iAjTlkCXBcit/w4wWtUhBFKb+R4VgU0j PSukGa5+ZhU3Q/cKx8R0Ej/+6ouFSWP/7van0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.140 with SMTP id a12mr404623wef.157.1256544212250; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:32 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: henry.olyer@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: am I the only one, wrt gcc44 -- it is failing and I can't build octave or much else X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:33 -0000 Henry Olyer wrote: >'everything; is dying in /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 >I know, (in all likelihood,) I'll have to scratch this area and do a >complete re-install. Fine. The thing is, I didn't change anything to mess >this area up in the first place. >I've just been going to various directories in /usr/ports and saying, "make >install clean" and now this... I was trying to put up octave when this >happened. Why don't you try 'make clean install && make clean' , to ensure that you are starting from scratch, with a clean WRKDIR? If that fails, send a full transcript of the failed build to the lang/gcc44 port maintainer. script(1) is useful for producing a full transcript. >So I could use a little help here, please... >I also want/need to run X, and my X session (just put up,) doesn't yet let >me move the mouse. I installed hal and dbus but what do I do now? hal and dbus are not required, if you have the proper entries in your xorg.conf, although some people find them useful. Can you use the mouse in the console with moused(8)? If not, then there may be a problem with the mouse. Did you try running 'Xorg -configure' to see what sample configuration file it constructs for your hardware, especially the entries, if any, for the mouse? >And where or where do I put the "ServerFlags" entry in my xorg.conf file. >I'm sorry, I just don't know these things... In it's own section, offset by: Section "ServerFlags" ... EndSection xorg.conf(5) claims the order of the sections is unimportant. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 09:31:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8F31065679 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cknipe@savage.za.org) Received: from www39.cpt2.host-h.net (www39.cpt2.host-h.net [41.204.202.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA02C8FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail1.cpt2.host-h.net ([41.203.8.240] helo=savage.za.org) by www39.cpt2.host-h.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1N2Lg9-0005b0-0f for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:15:53 +0200 Received: from 196.220.63.238 ([196.220.63.238]) by webmail1.konsoleh.co.za (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:15:51 +0200 Message-ID: <20091026111551.69696ynxutps434s@webmail1.konsoleh.co.za> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:15:51 +0200 From: cknipe@savage.za.org To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Dynamic Internet Messaging Program (DIMP) H3 (1.1.3) X-Authenticated-Sender: cknipe@savage.za.org X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.95.2/9940/Mon Oct 26 03:47:14 2009) Cc: Subject: ipf firewall, dropping connections X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:31:10 -0000 Hi, I'm runing 7.2 with IPFilter - main purpose is for a news server. Many established connections are just dropped and closed, it seems to be random, all allow rules are being affected. Any insight would be appreciated. The machine is under heavy usage, averaging arround 150 to 200 connections per second. [root@news ~]# ipfstat bad packets: in 0 out 0 IPv6 packets: in 0 out 0 input packets: blocked 22570422 passed 488309778 nomatch 146719580 counted 0 short 0 output packets: blocked 21885 passed 507034679 nomatch 160765161 counted 0 short 0 input packets logged: blocked 22570422 passed 0 output packets logged: blocked 0 passed 0 packets logged: input 0 output 0 log failures: input 12571655 output 0 fragment state(in): kept 0 lost 0 not fragmented 0 fragment state(out): kept 0 lost 0 not fragmented 0 packet state(in): kept 14100 lost 2770255 packet state(out): kept 22966740 lost 8078847 ICMP replies: 0 TCP RSTs sent: 0 Invalid source(in): 0 Result cache hits(in): 17487490 (out): 21607481 IN Pullups succeeded: 9 failed: 0 OUT Pullups succeeded: 1092 failed: 0 Fastroute successes: 0 failures: 0 TCP cksum fails(in): 0 (out): 0 IPF Ticks: 325071 Packet log flags set: (0) none [root@wa-cpt-news ~]# cat /etc/ipf.rules ############################################################################### ### Globals ############################################################################### block in log quick all with frags # TCP Fragments block in log quick all with short # Short Fragments block in log quick all with ipopts # Invalid IP Options ############################################################################### ### Loopback Interface ############################################################################### pass in quick on lo0 from any to 127.0.0.0/8 pass out quick on lo0 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any ############################################################################### ## em0 - Public NIC ############################################################################### # em0 - Outbound Traffic pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.a to any keep state pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.21 to any keep state pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.22 to any keep state pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.23 to any keep state pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.24 to any keep state pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.59.30 to any keep state pass in quick on em0 from 196.220.59.0/27 to a.a.a.a # Internal Network Traffic pass in quick on em0 proto icmp from any to a.a.a.a keep state # ICMP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from any port = 53 to a.a.a.a # DNS (Responces) pass in quick on em0 proto udp from any port = 53 to a.a.a.a # DNS (Responces) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = 80 # HTTP (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = 80 # HTTP (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = 80 # HTTP (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = 80 # HTTP (Office Only) pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.185.0.0/16 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.211.26.0/24 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.0/19 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = 119 # NNTP pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.220.59.143/32 to a.a.a.a port = 161 # SNMP pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.220.63.47/32 to a.a.a.a port = 161 # SNTP pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.25.1.1 port = 123 to a.a.a.a # NTP pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.25.1.9 port = 123 to a.a.a.a # NTP block in log quick on em0 # Deny Everything Else normally, I would have flags S keep state for my tcp connections, but I figured the state tables are runing full and therefore removed them. With or without flags S keep state, makes no difference, connections (new, as well as existing) are being dropped. [root@news ~]# sysctl net.inet.ipf net.inet.ipf.fr_minttl: 4 net.inet.ipf.fr_chksrc: 0 net.inet.ipf.fr_defaultauthage: 600 net.inet.ipf.fr_authused: 0 net.inet.ipf.fr_authsize: 32 net.inet.ipf.ipf_hostmap_sz: 2047 net.inet.ipf.ipf_rdrrules_sz: 127 net.inet.ipf.ipf_natrules_sz: 127 net.inet.ipf.ipf_nattable_sz: 2047 net.inet.ipf.fr_statemax: 4013 net.inet.ipf.fr_statesize: 5737 net.inet.ipf.fr_running: 1 net.inet.ipf.fr_ipfrttl: 120 net.inet.ipf.fr_defnatage: 1200 net.inet.ipf.fr_icmptimeout: 120 net.inet.ipf.fr_udpacktimeout: 24 net.inet.ipf.fr_udptimeout: 240 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpclosed: 60 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcptimeout: 480 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcplastack: 60 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpclosewait: 480 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcphalfclosed: 14400 net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpidletimeout: 864000 net.inet.ipf.fr_active: 0 net.inet.ipf.fr_pass: 134217730 net.inet.ipf.fr_flags: 0 [root@news ~]# sockstat -4|wc -l 1175 Any help much appreciated. Regards, Chris. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 10:09:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D0810656AC for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8B88FC2B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B03B3CB48; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9QA95jt001447; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: rob1940@gmail.com Message-Id: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:09:10 -0000 Hi Rob, just a little terminology note (from me, Mister Use-the-correct-words): If you are refering to a kind of hard disk, use "disk" with k. Think like "diskette". If you are refering to optical media, use "disc" with c. Think like "CD = compact disc". Disk: disk pack, hard disk, disk drive Disc: optical disc, magneto-optical disc, disc drive In your special case, you can even say that your external hard disk shows up as a disc in "Windows". It's correct. I know it may sound impolite (but it is not meant to be), but using the correct terminology is very important if you want to be understood correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 10:12:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818591065670 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413018FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84693C824; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:12:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9QACa2b001467; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:12:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:12:36 +0100 From: Polytropon To: rob1940@gmail.com Message-Id: <20091026111236.7ec852bb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AE4EE38.4050609@otenet.gr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:12:38 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:33:16 +1100, Rob Hurle wrote: > I need to transfer between > FreeBSD and Windows, both ways :-( Could you imagine to use "FAT" instead of "NTFS", or do you intendedly require features that are specific to "NTFS"? I found that "FAT" - in FreeBSD: msdosfs - is sufficient for transfer tasks. It doesn't require fuse, you have r/w by kernel means (refer to "man mount_msdosfs"). Of course, this would require new initialising of the disk. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 10:17:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD881065694 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0919F8FC18 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.175.178.101] (helo=izar) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1N2MeB-000K3X-GK; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:17:55 +0300 To: Jamie Griffin References: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:17:56 +0300 In-Reply-To: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> (Jamie Griffin's message of "Sun\, 25 Oct 2009 23\:39\:57 +0000") Message-ID: <31466587@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can't make www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:17:57 -0000 Jamie Griffin writes: > Hi, i'm trying to build the www/linux-f10-flashplugin port and i'm > getting the following error on make: > > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 79: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 145: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f10") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 171: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 173: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 421: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 459: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 461: if-less else > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 463: if-less endif > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 477: Malformed conditional > ($LINUX_DIST_SUFFIX}=="-f8") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 479: if-less else > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.linux-apps.mk", line 481: if-less endif > Error expanding embedded variable. > > I don't know what this means and i'm not sure how to fix it. Can > anyone help? > > I'm using FreeBSD 7.2, my ports tree is up to date (did it earlier > today). I did have flashplugin 9 installed with the linux-f4-core, but > i've removed this, installed the f10-core and then started having > problems with the flashplugin. > > Thanks in advance for any advice/help. The port www/linux-f10-flashplugin needs linux -f10- ports. The latter are defaults for FreeBSD-8.x and later. You can use them at 7.2 (7.2-STABLE is preferred). For more unformation take a look at /usr/ports/UPDATING "20090401: AFFECTS: users of linux Fedora 8 infrastructure ports" (it deals with non default f8 ports, f10 are the same with "f10" value). 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 11:08:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8231065698 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org) Received: from mail.covertinferno.org (adsl-76-199-103-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [76.199.103.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19068FC27 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.121] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by mail.covertinferno.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A945C12CA78 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AE57F72.4040205@covertinferno.org> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:52:34 -0700 From: phantomcircuit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091026111551.69696ynxutps434s@webmail1.konsoleh.co.za> In-Reply-To: <20091026111551.69696ynxutps434s@webmail1.konsoleh.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ipf firewall, dropping connections X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:08:14 -0000 I'm guessing you have kernel tuning issues that have nothing to do with the firewall. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/configtuning-kernel-limits.html cknipe@savage.za.org wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm runing 7.2 with IPFilter - main purpose is for a news server. > > Many established connections are just dropped and closed, it seems to > be random, all allow rules are being affected. Any insight would be > appreciated. The machine is under heavy usage, averaging arround 150 > to 200 connections per second. > > [root@news ~]# ipfstat > bad packets: in 0 out 0 > IPv6 packets: in 0 out 0 > input packets: blocked 22570422 passed 488309778 nomatch > 146719580 counted 0 short 0 > output packets: blocked 21885 passed 507034679 nomatch > 160765161 counted 0 short 0 > input packets logged: blocked 22570422 passed 0 > output packets logged: blocked 0 passed 0 > packets logged: input 0 output 0 > log failures: input 12571655 output 0 > fragment state(in): kept 0 lost 0 not fragmented 0 > fragment state(out): kept 0 lost 0 not fragmented 0 > packet state(in): kept 14100 lost 2770255 > packet state(out): kept 22966740 lost 8078847 > ICMP replies: 0 TCP RSTs sent: 0 > Invalid source(in): 0 > Result cache hits(in): 17487490 (out): 21607481 > IN Pullups succeeded: 9 failed: 0 > OUT Pullups succeeded: 1092 failed: 0 > Fastroute successes: 0 failures: 0 > TCP cksum fails(in): 0 (out): 0 > IPF Ticks: 325071 > Packet log flags set: (0) > none > > [root@wa-cpt-news ~]# cat /etc/ipf.rules > ############################################################################### > > ### Globals > ############################################################################### > > block in log quick all with frags > # TCP Fragments > block in log quick all with short > # Short Fragments > block in log quick all with ipopts > # Invalid IP Options > > ############################################################################### > > ### Loopback Interface > ############################################################################### > > pass in quick on lo0 from any to 127.0.0.0/8 > pass out quick on lo0 from 127.0.0.0/8 to any > > ############################################################################### > > ## em0 - Public NIC > ############################################################################### > > # em0 - Outbound Traffic > pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.a to any keep state > pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.21 to any keep state > pass out quick on em0 from a.a.a.22 to any keep state > pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.23 to any keep state > pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.24 to any keep state > pass out quick on em0 from x.x.x.59.30 to any keep state > > pass in quick on em0 from 196.220.59.0/27 to a.a.a.a > # Internal Network Traffic > pass in quick on em0 proto icmp from any to a.a.a.a keep state > # ICMP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 22 flags S keep state # SSH (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from any port = 53 to a.a.a.a > # DNS (Responces) > pass in quick on em0 proto udp from any port = 53 to a.a.a.a > # DNS (Responces) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 80 # HTTP (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 80 # HTTP (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 80 # HTTP (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 80 # HTTP (Office Only) > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.185.0.0/16 to a.a.a.a port = 119 > # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.211.26.0/24 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.0/19 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.238/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.32.228/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.63.33/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto tcp from x.220.42.29/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 119 # NNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.220.59.143/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 161 # SNMP > pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.220.63.47/32 to a.a.a.a port = > 161 # SNTP > pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.25.1.1 port = 123 to a.a.a.a > # NTP > pass in quick on em0 proto udp from x.25.1.9 port = 123 to a.a.a.a > # NTP > > block in log quick on em0 > # Deny Everything Else > > > normally, I would have flags S keep state for my tcp connections, but > I figured the state tables are runing full and therefore removed them. > With or without flags S keep state, makes no difference, connections > (new, as well as existing) are being dropped. > > [root@news ~]# sysctl net.inet.ipf > net.inet.ipf.fr_minttl: 4 > net.inet.ipf.fr_chksrc: 0 > net.inet.ipf.fr_defaultauthage: 600 > net.inet.ipf.fr_authused: 0 > net.inet.ipf.fr_authsize: 32 > net.inet.ipf.ipf_hostmap_sz: 2047 > net.inet.ipf.ipf_rdrrules_sz: 127 > net.inet.ipf.ipf_natrules_sz: 127 > net.inet.ipf.ipf_nattable_sz: 2047 > net.inet.ipf.fr_statemax: 4013 > net.inet.ipf.fr_statesize: 5737 > net.inet.ipf.fr_running: 1 > net.inet.ipf.fr_ipfrttl: 120 > net.inet.ipf.fr_defnatage: 1200 > net.inet.ipf.fr_icmptimeout: 120 > net.inet.ipf.fr_udpacktimeout: 24 > net.inet.ipf.fr_udptimeout: 240 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpclosed: 60 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcptimeout: 480 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcplastack: 60 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpclosewait: 480 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcphalfclosed: 14400 > net.inet.ipf.fr_tcpidletimeout: 864000 > net.inet.ipf.fr_active: 0 > net.inet.ipf.fr_pass: 134217730 > net.inet.ipf.fr_flags: 0 > > [root@news ~]# sockstat -4|wc -l > 1175 > > Any help much appreciated. > > Regards, > Chris. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 11:14:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374A510656BC for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from subbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71FC8FC2B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so10347197ewy.43 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:14:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=qraGMG+774wWaFZd4fc2suxgvZsgJXFAqRBUg6djGek=; b=B9d5EB4VSDM5TMr64rutl2c5agQJGOZmS6OXOICkauBxm0wVdRoBIZuQIb0ShGVN4+ x6NJXxc5vOKFg31drKE5z0CYBXIlTjhSWo3WQp56Dr2HmiwkZ0T3CX54b9jNS0i85hf1 v4z/dgVldjUv8j+dIXTG/JnkeMvDW31qrpiY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iUPza2Xa6EmlgMhIWvf2/cdoylVXcVjlwlrSh1mMRyI+ounHp/f7wLsGgJq7CzRZ1+ rF4lNL8h4FzCl/SADSVFiXufky8kZCh9K1yP2A1uTPTOe1aqTK5ayVdarOHmR+DHAOtK OVIXSRxWUCRE8d4udQyHreSpqglG00ae6vt7I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.3.21 with SMTP id 21mr6538992ebc.40.1256554067579; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:47:47 +0300 Message-ID: <8237b2240910260347o7cd44313s2ea87fc9198a3123@mail.gmail.com> From: Oleg Ole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: some ftp mirrors is wrong or inconsistently X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:14:09 -0000 Hello maillist Some ftp servers from official ftp mirrors ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html) is incorrect or out of sync. For example, test scripts ( require ftp/lftp ) says that only 90 from 167 ;) have 8.0-RC1.iso -- #!/bin/sh cd /tmp fetch http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html SITE=`egrep -E "(^target)" /tmp/mirrors-ftp.html |tr "<>" " " |awk {'printf $2"\n"'}` for HST in ${SITE}; do echo $HST lftp -e "ls; quit" ${HST}ISO-IMAGES-amd64/8.0/ done -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 11:37:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFD106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rob1940@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7756C8FC1D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so3121770pxi.7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:37:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DchALi//q9+jJOxEZx2RepMC4aJQuSRq7luoiSNRKvM=; b=aWwjpX9VHbTT40KVykTgI1HZOAn5XN8pjYM21ni5GWR+LEEfpkCfO35v8JG5U6v6sN dWXJkBN6Ufp7yy3oyAweHlI1y9svxuQA6Ntr4WJfRpMpl01U+M5eghjUkoPsJqwotPq5 D26T0ao4eKTxUDQ+JNR4qg08ESpuBsASb8vMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=cQi2qria1s2NAv/KChTl1atMEK6hn8FDikJL3JfBrx7onK+5DLA2E9OXs8WSKN1jHE uSIGLPDk+sYPk2tmWeK9heF0/jEspoBmHbYvWn5HxTCWXD/7G/OnmQyweLhf7S5WMlSx 7NvwPnh1iK+FNnMVu+PDv1pioBOqhHz+Dd9I4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.139.6 with SMTP id r6mr1156718wfn.282.1256557070845; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:37:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:37:50 +1100 Message-ID: From: Rob Hurle To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rob1940@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:51 -0000 Hi Polytropon, > just a little terminology note (from me, Mister Use-the-correct-words): > If you are refering to a kind of hard disk, use "disk" with k. > Think like "diskette". If you are refering to optical media, > use "disc" with c. Think like "CD = compact disc". Thanks for your comment. "disk" began life as the American spelling (probably older English, copied from Greek) and "disc" was the English (UK, Australia, probably South Africa and other places). Here, in Australia, I am used to "disc", but I take your point and agree that the two spellings most likely have their particular usages. In the fullness of time I suspect that the scheme you outline will become widely accepted. There's other instances of particular preferences in spelling in Australian English vis a vis American - for example, "recognize" versus "recognise". As others have pointed out, the English language is a bit of a mongrel :-) Thanks for your comments too, about use of the FAT32 file system. I had thought about that, but the NTFS seemed to be a bit more universal - I'm not sure that FAT file systems are recognised by default on Macs (for example). > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Happy FreeBSD user since 2.2. Cheers, Rob Hurle -- ----------------------------- Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language e-mail: rob1940@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 (Currently in Australia) Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 (Currently in Australia) ----------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 12:07:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93711065676 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4717E8FC15 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9QC7jbD026927; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:45 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4AE59111.5060403@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:45 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090830) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:48 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > Hi Rob, > > just a little terminology note (from me, Mister Use-the-correct-words): > If you are refering to a kind of hard disk, use "disk" with k. > Think like "diskette". If you are refering to optical media, > use "disc" with c. Think like "CD = compact disc". > > Disk: disk pack, hard disk, disk drive > Disc: optical disc, magneto-optical disc, disc drive Um, I don't want to get into spelling flames but from where I'm sitting (the UK) "disk" is the American English spelling and "disc" is the British English spelling of the same word which means in general a flat thin round thing and in computing a (usually) spinning flat thin round thing used for non-volatile storage. The distinction you make is one I've not come across before, and I've worked with computers for nearly 40 years. I think it's better to simply qualify dis[ck] with an adjective to disambiguate as necessary and accept that the US had a spelling reform that the UK didn't so both forms are valid and interchangeable. See also: program v. programme, colour v. color, etc. :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 12:44:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764DD106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:44:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [83.235.67.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83558FC18 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4472418.home.otenet.gr [94.71.126.82]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9QCiiWZ026138; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:44:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4AE599BC.3090104@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:44:44 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rob1940@gmail.com References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:44:46 -0000 Rob Hurle wrote: > > > Thanks for your comments too, about use of the FAT32 file system. I > had thought about that, but the NTFS seemed to be a bit more universal > - I'm not sure that FAT file systems are recognised by default on Macs > (for example). > > FAT (and almost to the same extent, FAT32) are widely recognizable: FreeBSD, Windows, Linux, OS X. The most important limitation though is maximum file size (<=4GB). Depending on your usage, FAT32 may or may not be appropriate because of this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 13:00:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E99106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:00:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513848FC18 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE42E248ED; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:00:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9QD0LI1002056; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:00:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:00:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: rob1940@gmail.com Message-Id: <20091026140020.780615da.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:00:23 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:37:50 +1100, Rob Hurle wrote: > Thanks for your comment. "disk" began life as the American spelling > (probably older English, copied from Greek) and "disc" was the English > (UK, Australia, probably South Africa and other places). Here, in > Australia, I am used to "disc", but I take your point and agree that > the two spellings most likely have their particular usages. In the > fullness of time I suspect that the scheme you outline will become > widely accepted. There's other instances of particular preferences in > spelling in Australian English vis a vis American - for example, > "recognize" versus "recognise". As others have pointed out, the > English language is a bit of a mongrel :-) Wow, that's interesting to know. From my "IT career", I always read "disks", not "discs" (in its meaning as optical discs when they started to "exist" in the 80s). The differentiation disk vs. disc started at this time and is very common today to distinguish optical media from magnetic media. Magneto-optical media is called MO disc though. :-) > Thanks for your comments too, about use of the FAT32 file system. I > had thought about that, but the NTFS seemed to be a bit more universal > - I'm not sure that FAT file systems are recognised by default on Macs > (for example). I always thought FAT is one of the most universal file systems (at least when "Windows" is involved); if it's not, I do consider tar the most universal file system (allthough it is no file system in particular). It works on all UNIX flavours I encountered, as well as on Mac OS. The only thing you need is a tar program that reads from or writes to the preferred media. Of course, "Windows" lacks such a program. Example. On Linux # tar cvf /dev/fd0.h1440 On Sun Solaris: # tar xvf /dev/rfd0 It works on IRIX, HP-UX and other UNIXes, too, and it works with every media (floppy, CD, DVD, USB stick, external hard disk, MO disc etc.). The only thing you have to grant access to is the device (usually via its device file). As for your intended use, well, try FAT. Sadly, my iBook doesn't work yet, so I can't check. In MICROS~1 land, FAT is recognized among all the "Windows", and r/w support is fine on FreeBSD. Mac OS X should be able to use it, too. > Rob Hurle > ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific > School of Culture, History and Language ^^^^^^^^ That explains everything. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 13:34:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53E9106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655368FC0C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFBD24BFB; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:34:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9QDXxgI002564; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:33:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:33:59 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Arthur Chance Message-Id: <20091026143359.b74dc3fa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE59111.5060403@qeng-ho.org> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE59111.5060403@qeng-ho.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:34:01 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:45 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > The distinction you make is one > I've not come across before, and I've worked with computers for nearly > 40 years. This specific differentiation is common at least in Germany. We handle foreign words quite differently, for example we call a mobile phone a "Handy". :-) The FreeBSD handbook is a good example. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-start.html Here, "disk" seems to refer to hard disks, while "disc" refers to exchangable media. Both words can be found in the document. > I think it's better to simply qualify dis[ck] with an > adjective to disambiguate as necessary and accept that the US had a > spelling reform that the UK didn't so both forms are valid and > interchangeable. In most cases, it is done that way, e. g. "floppy disk" or "hard disk". > See also: program v. programme, colour v. color, etc. :-) I see that you are working in a computor centre. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 14:38:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BF01065695 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jg@cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from clarity.mcc.ac.uk (clarity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05438FC23 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk ([10.2.18.1]) by clarity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2QOK-000IBk-98 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:17:48 +0000 Received: from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com ([86.179.86.196]:58403 helo=bsdbox.griffinet.org) by gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2QOJ-0003t4-Vo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:17:48 +0000 Received: from bsdbox.griffinet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsdbox.griffinet.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9QEHj2x002981 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:17:45 GMT (envelope-from jg@bsdbox.griffinet.org) Received: (from jg@localhost) by bsdbox.griffinet.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9QEHjUR002980 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:17:45 GMT (envelope-from jg) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:17:30 +0000 From: Jamie Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091026141730.GA2935@cs.man.ac.uk> References: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> <31466587@ipt.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31466587@ipt.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x842DD368 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: F850 A09C F877 FBC4 A63C FDDC 7484 4EEF 842D D368 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Authenticated-Sender: Jamie Griffin from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com (bsdbox.griffinet.org) [86.179.86.196]:58403 X-Authenticated-From: jamie.griffin@student.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. Subject: Re: can't make www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:38:56 -0000 On Mon 26.Oct'09 at 13:17:56 +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote: > The port www/linux-f10-flashplugin needs linux -f10- ports. The latter > are defaults for FreeBSD-8.x and later. You can use them at 7.2 > (7.2-STABLE is preferred). For more unformation take a look at > /usr/ports/UPDATING "20090401: AFFECTS: users of linux Fedora 8 > infrastructure ports" (it deals with non default f8 ports, f10 > are the same with "f10" value). HTH > > Please, keep in mind that those ports are not defaults for 7.x. > Hi, thanks for the reply. I worked out what was causing the problem in the end. (incidentally, i already had made sure the linux-f10-base was installed.) I had stupidly left whitespace after the = sign in the file: /etc/sysctl.conf: OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT =f10 OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORT =f10 correcting that did the trick and its all working great. Thanks again, though. Jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 17:06:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616031065670 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtai107.cox.net (fed1rmmtai107.cox.net [68.230.241.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244238FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091026165032.XUID21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.251]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id xUqM1c00G5RPd3403UqMsu; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:50:21 -0400 X-VR-Score: -80.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8c8-Wn2gAAAA:8 a=VwRYlZaZAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=x2m3GPe0AAAA:8 a=Hf24IFZMQ0Jzh_6GKXcA:9 a=fXxexyjgJ9pxbfXGgY8NitykRhsA:4 a=Qgp-CUiAgDsA:10 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=rAeSchFE-KUA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:50:16 -0700 From: Robert To: das15@hushmail.com Message-ID: <20091026095016.40157f79@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20091022232336.30EAC2803F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091022232336.30EAC2803F@smtp.hushmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: auto format and partion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:06:33 -0000 On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:23:35 +1000 das15@hushmail.com wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > got the latest version of your os for 64 bit systems from osdisc.com > do you think you could throw in an auto install feauture that like > every other os on the market i dropped out of devry and i still > cant figure out what the installer is asking me to do. Perhaps you need to read the handbook found at freebsd.org or you can try pcbsd at http://www.pcbsd.org/ or you can wait until some one creates an auto install feature. That could be a very long time and you would be missing out on the best OS available. HTH Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 17:30:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0766106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rstill74@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9928A8FC17 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1544790pwj.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=pIrL3ZO4dtUvIkaDZRdQPgcqy1YHCDUXFPsIwU245A0=; b=EgDyzR1EPZICbtdG+hVflOHyP0D0j897Gm5QP78NoMm1r4sVY4XaqbfczSEn6eUSai u0TJthROJZWnBUMylPmswXj4McQwi0zyEHOu90eHNkA0of72OVZdAOlYXuB+Gj0R15pl 1vcYVQkuVw0Euz5YsSxrVBIQFWqsKwvSHiy+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Ax4zV+Y6xEEtHYYD9iR5ZCZvWUv+yTmxG67x5oG64pjhv96xWYxLPrqFaxYcdOM4D1 ie+aXnHWFrjXqS4CiUYDvwu6bNNaUGij/ymb/tqKOXm0saqj1kGVTui9aL5o5I6zzUBz JJg0cLyypUIyncAw96rPSgeEIjuKDs3/WcBJE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.249.24 with SMTP id w24mr1099498wfh.325.1256576625567; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:03:45 -0600 Message-ID: <5e09dc040910261003l56718b97v8a3830176b081c84@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Still To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:30:35 -0000 Hello, I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting setup and I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. Current setup: freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. static ip address in router. I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) Desired setup same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. How do I set up bind so that 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, and 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. feel free to answer with links or search keywords. Also, as this question isn't exactly a FreeBSD question, is there a better list for this? Thanks Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 17:48:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10D9106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdlists@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB738FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so7697052pzk.7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Zw1fRZXWUEgrJ7H3dBFmFnipLZXfsPt2bySxEMdaUW8=; b=ToSzV8Y5oB8Q+aOSKg3IUREi3gdjC+cAFMe3tftYEmzsDj5xeb7TGnWE+9l/yMq7gW W9Jm+Ex+P4M5cEMK5jPzWzyo9FadACMbIJnApesBu2VUP8UlvzT4USKgK9BxTV/Lba2b KvGyZ1+fqAUFcxJfJAVmlWXsPl7zDHuxeuSEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RtwOvuO9A6SjPZLUzNCcdXe2sHn+t7vLyyZpaTirUR5RXJKEjnEov2iapLxGBWZh1T CGzzBjVrpZUJWkgwkfcUQnByQ9JIuzaomDzetByH+ZmLx9PNJZ3aG2MZAjlXIyHW0Iij l2ACXIc8mgNHf/W5NpCnXkFH5oUDTE88/i8Ok= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.118.3 with SMTP id q3mr1194641wfc.248.1256579337315; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <54db43990910261048k8a5d644q2950d4d5e5cb3b01@mail.gmail.com> From: Bob Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Disk vs Disc (was: WD External Disc Drive) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:57 -0000 On 10/26/09, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:45 +0000, Arthur Chance > wrote: >> The distinction you make is one >> I've not come across before, and I've worked with computers for nearly >> 40 years. > Same here. I've always been told they were completely interchangeable. I do recall that when floppy drives appeared for personal computers in the late '70s and early '80s, there was some argument about the correct spelling. The claim was that "disc" was correct, and that some ignorant hobbyist at a new computer company had misspelled it as "disk" and it stuck. But IBM used the "disk" spelling long before that, so I don't think that was really what happened. Looking in the OED, I find that "disk" was the original spelling, and in the late 1800s "disc" became popular, then around 1950 "disk" started regaining popularity, largely in the computer industry. - Bob -- -- Bob Johnson fbsdlists@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 17:51:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83051065670 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout015.mac.com (asmtpout015.mac.com [17.148.16.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54048FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:51:08 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp015.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KS400FW3UWW5U20@asmtp015.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <785FE885-9AEC-498D-8B96-19860B519FB9@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Ray Still In-reply-to: <5e09dc040910261003l56718b97v8a3830176b081c84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:50:56 -0700 References: <5e09dc040910261003l56718b97v8a3830176b081c84@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:51:09 -0000 On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote: > Hello, > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting > setup and > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. The two issues normally aren't related. If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look into multihoming and getting your own AS #. > Current setup: > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name > server. > static ip address in router. > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) > > Desired setup > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a separate routable IP. This is an orthogonal issue to setting up multiple Internet connections. > How do I set up bind so that > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, > and > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover; that's not what it does. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 17:55:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2077E1065676 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71338FC19 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9QHtHLw015798; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B87F45F75C; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D085F75B; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:15 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bind configuration issues Thread-Index: AcpWZPHdUNOQWMQCThqCio5tPEy0jgAAIbEm From: "Gary Gatten" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2009 17:55:15.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[78FF3FC0:01CA5665] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: 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2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ECD106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:55:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rstill74@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083168FC1A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1591354pwj.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VJqG+YqVjvhEFV/U4+UCUUEAHtAvBwzgFkaOX7yG9ys=; b=C5Jm1RBJALzcXlS/am+1pycRu7xRYFoggFIeSudsFFgzt2GTaucFRAx7pDPE3Ioxu/ yb68j5wy2j0vibQ1YcDlvmq7rsQks++4YWpkmW3Y1GH/HOO9YJ/Gi9s3FaLZ3oYeAIHp fodHMAQN/c7K94Cl2f6UKaWtHVZV9x3cmst18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V6ExNpcTcTXy85oxwUKDC6sGd9/hFMhSj4M8pESxVZZU7yh+dWdAIe7kSDvLb9Vj4Q TetidFKlVC6dmHXdACoDca8UvK03JhVxTMGg0HkVjCDW/7KRyjOUqpg/GpLUOu73hhwM 1ySCUGtb97UVH+QaFeTu5uylspaF4M5MlkMJ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.248.6 with SMTP id v6mr1210689wfh.348.1256583344360; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:55:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:55:44 -0600 Message-ID: <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Still To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:55:45 -0000 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > You certainly don't "need" BGP for this, the DNS thing will work, but wil= l be a bit kludgy and certainly not as ... "responsive" to failures - a la = query caching, TTL's and what not. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > To: Ray Still > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Mon Oct 26 12:50:56 2009 > Subject: Re: bind configuration issues > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote: > > Hello, > > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting > > setup and > > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. > > The two issues normally aren't related. > > If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about > multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look > into multihoming and getting your own AS #. > two different providers. > > > Current setup: > > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name > > server. > > static ip address in router. > > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip > > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) > > > > Desired setup > > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. > > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. > > In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate > machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a > separate routable IP.=A0 This is an orthogonal issue to setting up > multiple Internet connections. Yes, In an ideal world I would do this. The two machines would also be in separate buildings/cities/provinces/countries/planets (pick your level of paranoia)=A0 ;) However, reducing single points of failure is an improvement, even if I can't eliminate them. > > > How do I set up bind so that > > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, > > and > > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. > > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. > > You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover; > that's not what it does. > > Regards, > -- freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > -Chuck > Thanks for the replies. Chuck, thanks for the keywords to search. Some of what I'm finding looks like a solution for companies a lot bigger than me, but I'll keep looking. Gary, can you give me any clues about how to do it with just DNS? Yes, I do realize that this leaves single points of failure, but at least they would be points that I could do something about if necessary. Thanks again, Ray > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and= may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are= not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, = dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if = any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, plea= se immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from= your system." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:00:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA701065676 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC5D8FC15 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so11612486fxm.43 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=knMKswSFgEsWatqw6V0Gy6FzJUEDov2xUBS5Vm7OUhM=; b=C6/tjoybmbd01tP4feZedDWvMpQc0z6POc/CHiLjh9nOqU67Q+7vZx7BNmGdZB4Ydg FqLueEe2BdX0OsPY91/oIJRMKq731dmqLaiZKTlMgrMpF43FXMX43zdHP3Rqv36mYU1W D1JX0b63xAnJlTiqDblsPY6MUGN58nASxQJis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mXKhd3CalZlgrmLWyvEl0FiG1AhNhf1WgTjDqmrKVIVbkw5aIUJ0hRPeI6jhjVkqcD 2WLXqm+gwkic8Ju6mmpxO9bMvC2trcOHuPEYjDbXD6ZjoGalj7i6MafNHjOLtTFFWJH6 BcWGwYYu3LphEmJ0B7l7cnd1yU2GQMzwEcueU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.77 with SMTP id x13mr2602943bkv.100.1256583602165; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54db43990910261048k8a5d644q2950d4d5e5cb3b01@mail.gmail.com> References: <54db43990910261048k8a5d644q2950d4d5e5cb3b01@mail.gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:59:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: Bob Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk vs Disc (was: WD External Disc Drive) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:00:04 -0000 2009/10/26 Bob Johnson : > On 10/26/09, Polytropon wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:07:45 +0000, Arthur Chance >> wrote: >>> The distinction you make is one >>> I've not come across before, and I've worked with computers for nearly >>> 40 years. >> > > Same here. I've always been told they were completely interchangeable. > > I do recall that when floppy drives appeared for personal computers in > the late '70s and early '80s, there was some argument about the > correct spelling. The claim was that "disc" was correct, and that some > ignorant hobbyist at a new computer company had misspelled it as > "disk" and it stuck. But IBM used the "disk" spelling long before > that, so I don't think that was really what happened. > > Looking in the OED, I find that "disk" was the original spelling, and > in the late 1800s "disc" became popular, then around 1950 "disk" > started regaining popularity, largely in the computer industry. > > > - Bob > > -- > -- Bob Johnson > =A0 fbsdlists@gmail.com I have always considered hard disk, floppy diskette, and compact disc (and digital versatile disc) to be the terminology; but then again the official British spelling is disc, whereas AFAICR the US spelling is disk. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:03:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220861065679 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838C38FC08 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so2691539bwz.13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:03:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ITIDib02bBx7ZG0FLFdiuzk+Q/vaUhN/gI1o7eQFaSI=; b=oj0NCMz5BKRqaNFJx6qObgSef0WF297isas1BONGC/P1Wj9/qLVcoPH3tkoLu+3Pdn ZP7WObUkzJ60rzqKOUQdMJuXiFe5p4ZpXu/20tphd/fjUmXmd4G/67YGduue5IlLel3S U/s7YZOEeXJGr31A+MYMT/uXtr8G7mji0PHT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=td+NnFSajU2q86LsUro7Mvq2hPJmlWkiAcJD5SRmDL36JXcybJ+TDKiX10xxaIPvl3 gO/LJQMaSsVBVagyLoN4ImgGmKdB7ZkLeIjIVxSwY/M2KOGFvzR24cR18Y2LvOKEdiY1 MB9rW+k8D7OeG9MOfRn9Z3axdiwXZaPneQKNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.144.79 with SMTP id n15mr1255498hba.107.1256583803364; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:03:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910231715.AA1453851224@mail.Go2France.com> References: <200910231715.AA1453851224@mail.Go2France.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: lconrad@go2france.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: DNS Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:03:26 -0000 2009/10/23 Len Conrad > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: krad > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:56:40 +0100 > > >2009/10/23 Sean Cavanaugh > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:30:08 -0400 > >> > From: dave.list@pixelhammer.com > >> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> > Subject: DNS Question > >> > > >> > Good morning. > >> > > >> > I have been asked by my co-workers and sales why I always create a A > >> > record for new domains we host instead of a CNAME. > >> > > >> > The issue I run into lately with some domains is that a client has a > >> > website with a industry host such as frank.relator.com and he wants > to > >> > have DNS point www.frank.com to frank.relator.com with a CNAME. The > >> > client does not want an A record for frank.com. > >> > > >> > Somewhere, in a class far far away, I was taught a DNS zone had to > have > >> > a A record to function properly. I can't seem to locate anything in > the > >> > RFCs. > >> > > >> > Am I wrong? > >> > > >> > >> > >> I think you are confusing basics of DNS records. you are partially > correct > >> in that a DNS zone needs an initial A record to be able to translate a > name > >> to an IP, but there is nothing wrong about setting up a CNAME to point > to a > >> record in a different zone instead. you just cannot do a zone that has a > >> CNAME only that does not at some point to a valid A record. CNAMEs are > >> forwarders only whereas A records are actual lookups. > >> > >> for proper way to set this up.... > >> > >> The A record would be assigned for the main name that you want to > associate > >> to an IP address. > >> The CNAME record just relates a different name to that original name. > this > >> allows you to change the IP address of the server and only have to > update > >> the original A record instead of every DNS record for that server. > >> > >> for small number of vhosts, this would not really be an issue, but > imagine > >> if you were hosting a couple hundred vhosts from a single IP and then > had to > >> change that IP because you switched your ISP. It would take you a LONG > time > >> to update them if they were all A records, but only a couple of seconds > if > >> you had it properly set up as CNAME's > >> > >> www.bobshosting.com A 192.168.0.1 > >> www.vhost1.com CNAME www.bobshosting.com. > >> www.vhost2.com CNAME www.bobshosting.com. > >> www.vhost3.com CNAME www.bobshosting.com. > >> www.vhost4.com CNAME www.bobshosting.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> -Sean > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > >I try to use CNAMES as much as possible, for one very good reason. If say > I > >have web server with 1000 vhost on it. I have one A record for the server > >and all the cnames point at that A record. Now i need to change the ip of > >the server. I update the A record and add a reverse record and im done. IF > I > >had done it your way with all A records I would now have to go and edit > >another 1000 records. Even worse if some of these domains are not under my > >control I have to go and liaise with customers, or other third parties, > and > >it becomes a complete mess. The chances of me convincing them all and > >coordinated it correctly are minimal 8( > > domains sharing records is better handled by $INCLUDE > > $INCLUDE /path/db.ttl, which contains > > $TTL 6h > > > $INCLUDE /path/db.ns, which contains > > @ ns ns1.domain.tld. > @ ns ns2.domain.tld. > > $INCLUDE /path/db.www, which contains > > @ a ip.ad.re.ss > www a ip.ad.re.ss > > etc. > > Changing an include file changes all the zone files that include it, giving > enormous leverage, while removing the extra query required to resolve a > CNAME to canonical. > > Len > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > a few massive assumptions here I feel. 1. all the domains are controlled by said person 2. Are on the same server 3. Fits with the relevent provisioning system, 4. Is probably are using bind From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:08:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E53106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491DA8FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9QJ8ZY3028590; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:08:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 78CFC5F772; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:08:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8B25F77A; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:06:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:06:45 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bind configuration issues Thread-Index: AcpWbhHfulxgl9+FRh6X2LvlUjegNAAAD8XQ References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Ray Still" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2009 19:06:45.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[76314720:01CA566F] Cc: Subject: RE: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:08:56 -0000 I'm not intimate with bind, or anything/one actually - but that's another s= tory... Anyway, the gist is you need to "ping" some public hosts from your dns serv= er (or another system I guess, but easier if on the dns server). One desti= nation host would be reachable through one connection, and the other of cou= rse would only be reachable through the alternate connection. Maybe use th= e primary DNS servers each upstream ISP provides to you? Anyway, if both p= ings are OK, then your DNS server does round-robin for the host(s) in quest= ion. If one ping fails, then you stop handing out that IP. You can for th= e route taken within ping itself, or use static host(/32) routes, etc. Sounds simple huh? It kinda is, and LONG ago I had a shell script to do ju= st this, but it's gone - and maybe bind 9+ has some sort of this functional= ity available to you embedded in the bind code? Don't know. Even if you h= ave to write your own script to update your dns records based on your monit= oring process it's not that hard even for a scripting novice such as myself! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ray Still Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:56 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > You certainly don't "need" BGP for this, the DNS thing will work, but wil= l be a bit kludgy and certainly not as ... "responsive" to failures - a la = query caching, TTL's and what not. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > To: Ray Still > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Mon Oct 26 12:50:56 2009 > Subject: Re: bind configuration issues > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote: > > Hello, > > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting > > setup and > > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. > > The two issues normally aren't related. > > If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about > multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look > into multihoming and getting your own AS #. > two different providers. > > > Current setup: > > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name > > server. > > static ip address in router. > > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip > > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) > > > > Desired setup > > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. > > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. > > In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate > machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a > separate routable IP.=A0 This is an orthogonal issue to setting up > multiple Internet connections. Yes, In an ideal world I would do this. The two machines would also be in separate buildings/cities/provinces/countries/planets (pick your level of paranoia)=A0 ;) However, reducing single points of failure is an improvement, even if I can't eliminate them. > > > How do I set up bind so that > > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, > > and > > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. > > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. > > You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover; > that's not what it does. > > Regards, > -- freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > -Chuck > Thanks for the replies. Chuck, thanks for the keywords to search. Some of what I'm finding looks like a solution for companies a lot bigger than me, but I'll keep looking. Gary, can you give me any clues about how to do it with just DNS? Yes, I do realize that this leaves single points of failure, but at least they would be points that I could do something about if necessary. Thanks again, Ray > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and= may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are= not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, = dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if = any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, plea= se immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from= your system." _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:29:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90E106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944F48FC12 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9QJTTH2009214 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:27 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:29:29 -0000 It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to ports? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:31:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81691065693 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 932FE8FC0C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 50509 invoked by uid 89); 26 Oct 2009 19:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 26 Oct 2009 19:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE5F8FC.1070405@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:31:08 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:11 -0000 Yuri wrote: > It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > How many people actually use it? Very few. Are you sure about that? AFAIK, all system reports are sent with the sendmail binary. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:32:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D34D10656A9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25448FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0241EBC3F; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:32:16 -0400 From: Bill Moran To: yuri@rawbw.com Message-Id: <20091026153216.d43de7da.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> Organization: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:32:18 -0000 In response to Yuri : > It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > How many people actually use it? Very few. Quite a lot. In fact, anyone who properly installs FreeBSD as a server. > Why isn't it moved to ports? Because an MTA has traditionally been part of a POSIX system. Besides, if it's not there, how are you going to send mail from things like cron? -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:33:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148EE1065694 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.124.104.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51548FC17 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52882 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2009 19:33:20 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 52821, pid: 52862, t: 5.0238s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp1.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 208-70-44-208.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.1.46?) (ldg@tls.net@208.70.44.208) by ssl-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 26 Oct 2009 19:33:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE5F967.2000706@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:32:55 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200910231715.AA1453851224@mail.Go2France.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FW: DNS Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:33:22 -0000 krad wrote: > > a few massive assumptions here I feel. > > 1. all the domains are controlled by said person > 2. Are on the same server > 3. Fits with the relevent provisioning system, > 4. Is probably are using bind You betcha, though all good information. 1. Nope, the CNAME is not controlled by me. 2. Nope, the CNAMEd sites are on another provider. 3. Yes, it is possible by our support system. 4. Nope, no bind here. I have been reading the info everyone posted, and I configured a domain as I was asked. Since the reconfigured domain did no harm to my servers, I am inclined to let them do it. If it is the right thing to do, or the proper thing to do, seems to matter little those in the big offices. If they can find nowhere on the internet where it says "THOU SHALL NOT DO ", they believe is industry standard. So WTH, I'll do it, so long as it doesn't cause my pager to go beep in the night. I am too tired of arguing to keep it up anymore. Thanks, DAve -- "Posterity, you will know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." John Quincy Adams http://appleseedinfo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 19:40:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A745C106568D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BE98FC19 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55108EB46FD; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448F0451B2; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:58 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OLlQM+4bZVk0; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-232-242.home.otenet.gr [94.64.232.242]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBC6450C6; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9QJeumR028402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:57 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9QJetpo028401; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:40:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> (yuri@rawbw.com's message of "Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:27 -0700") Message-ID: <87ws2i0wqg.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:40:59 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:27 -0700, Yuri wrote: > It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > How many people actually use it? Very few. > Why isn't it moved to ports? This questions comes up very often. You can find lots of reasons in one of the older threads about Sendmail, e.g. at: http://groups.google.com/group/fa.freebsd.stable/msg/166040f2d75547bc http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.chat/msg/a9e850da1dba3fc2 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc/msg/39f14b08bb752ca7 http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.current/msg/3b73a04c9f5e6a19 Sendmail is _already_ part of the ports/ BTW, and it supports many knobs to build custom versions of Sendmail with or without IPv6, milter, NIS, SASL, TLS or LDAP support, and so on: keramida@kobe:/usr/ports/mail$ more sendmail/Makefile [...] # Options to define Features: # SENDMAIL_WITHOUT_IPV6=yes # SENDMAIL_WITHOUT_MILTER=yes # SENDMAIL_WITHOUT_NIS=yes [...] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 20:04:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25806106568B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1E58FC1C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so2539098eyd.9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4rEfHc9HyhzBlU5q8r15ngFfjsMZSCXFX1i4NmGGem4=; b=ifBpgNfpG1/HY1hSyWu9WU5YeY516cXtnGF27iGDOSjnuLchWuXUIeAXxlPj0sPWFu fLDBb05JTfHZKfJZ3yH6+r0caFvzqEIehKb1kyzo4NXIYI4fkvI2KYYH/nprZpXj3/ZV EP0JVGKy8y8m/hZq0Q5YbIAxcWhS9h4v26JIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ssZR0k2j71bPMPyIzV1rn/EH1s+rIxu0qYXODgGgyeN6ZHBUpHTjtZg3F17Bib5Cdf 9ggRTQYy5/tH32pF2E+W2Ml7WhI3Htyxqkgk6wagDsTpdbznu3Kw1XZDBQg1yMkqAcGQ 3OW1QlRhFmFS4Pvdl2WInrKSrsBA1XXpfqjcs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.132.20 with SMTP id j20mr3805968ebn.32.1256587464627; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: PJ , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:26 -0000 2009/10/25 Matthew Seaman > % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 > Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: > > Depends on: > Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 > Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g > Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 > Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 > Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 > Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 > Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 > Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 > Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 > Why the hell the Flash plugin (for Linux) needs openldap and sqlite I do not know. SASL too for that matter. I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. > Cheers, > > Matthew > MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 20:15:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93656106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5537B8FC16 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9QKEme1029823; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 758AB5F79D; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567BD5F798; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bind configuration issues Thread-Index: AcpWbhHfulxgl9+FRh6X2LvlUjegNAAAD8XQAAJs8RA= References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "Gary Gatten" , "Ray Still" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2009 20:14:48.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7749F40:01CA5678] Cc: Subject: RE: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:15:09 -0000 I googled "dns round robin failover" and there are many hits. One interest= ing one is: http://forums.devshed.com/dns-36/ha-using-round-robin----working-368800.html It suggests well written apps / resolvers will try to use all ip's returned= by the query starting with the preferred one, not JUST the preferred one. = Which means, just by enabling round robin with multiple A records, you MAY= get some level of HA/Failover by default. Cool, BUT, I wouldn't bet my li= fe on it. I'd still have something that could tweak your DNS records based= on packet loss, latency, etc. What if your circuit is "up", but is degrad= ed by loss, latency (load induced or otherwise), etc. As you mentioned, something is better than nothing - so start simple and go= from there! HTH! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Gatten Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM To: Ray Still; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: bind configuration issues I'm not intimate with bind, or anything/one actually - but that's another s= tory... Anyway, the gist is you need to "ping" some public hosts from your dns serv= er (or another system I guess, but easier if on the dns server). One desti= nation host would be reachable through one connection, and the other of cou= rse would only be reachable through the alternate connection. Maybe use th= e primary DNS servers each upstream ISP provides to you? Anyway, if both p= ings are OK, then your DNS server does round-robin for the host(s) in quest= ion. If one ping fails, then you stop handing out that IP. You can for th= e route taken within ping itself, or use static host(/32) routes, etc. Sounds simple huh? It kinda is, and LONG ago I had a shell script to do ju= st this, but it's gone - and maybe bind 9+ has some sort of this functional= ity available to you embedded in the bind code? Don't know. Even if you h= ave to write your own script to update your dns records based on your monit= oring process it's not that hard even for a scripting novice such as myself! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ray Still Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:56 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > You certainly don't "need" BGP for this, the DNS thing will work, but wil= l be a bit kludgy and certainly not as ... "responsive" to failures - a la = query caching, TTL's and what not. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > To: Ray Still > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Mon Oct 26 12:50:56 2009 > Subject: Re: bind configuration issues > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote: > > Hello, > > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting > > setup and > > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. > > The two issues normally aren't related. > > If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about > multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look > into multihoming and getting your own AS #. > two different providers. > > > Current setup: > > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name > > server. > > static ip address in router. > > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip > > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) > > > > Desired setup > > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. > > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. > > In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate > machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a > separate routable IP.=A0 This is an orthogonal issue to setting up > multiple Internet connections. Yes, In an ideal world I would do this. The two machines would also be in separate buildings/cities/provinces/countries/planets (pick your level of paranoia)=A0 ;) However, reducing single points of failure is an improvement, even if I can't eliminate them. > > > How do I set up bind so that > > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, > > and > > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. > > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. > > You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover; > that's not what it does. > > Regards, > -- freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > -Chuck > Thanks for the replies. Chuck, thanks for the keywords to search. Some of what I'm finding looks like a solution for companies a lot bigger than me, but I'll keep looking. Gary, can you give me any clues about how to do it with just DNS? Yes, I do realize that this leaves single points of failure, but at least they would be points that I could do something about if necessary. Thanks again, Ray > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and= may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are= not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, = dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if = any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, plea= se immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from= your system." _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 20:36:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67F5106568D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from honeysuckle.london.02.net (honeysuckle.london.02.net [87.194.255.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBC78FC15 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji.config (93.97.24.219) by honeysuckle.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23EDE605779F60; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE60837.4000804@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:07 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henry Olyer References: <17216271.1252735922654.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <28d0cced0909251821g4b5a5ba4rc1c573a04804de1f@mail.gmail.com> <4ABE089C.3050300@onetel.com> <1d7089c40910252231y175ac076t6b640aac7d491564@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d7089c40910252231y175ac076t6b640aac7d491564@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: configuring X on the Presario with the 8200M driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:36:09 -0000 Henry Olyer wrote: > I need more information to make this work. > > help, please. And thank you! > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> Jules Gilbert wrote: >> >>> now i got up (by doing the startx as root,) but i dont' have a working >>> mouse. >>> >>> when I am in screen mode (normal, -- with no X.) when I move the >>> mouse, I can see the 'arrow' pointer move just fine. >>> >>> So... >>> >>> >> If you are running hald you probably need >> >> option "AutoAddDevices" "off" >> option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" >> >> >> in the ServerFlags section in xorg.conf >> >> Or you can configure hal to recognise them - there are various threads in >> the archives i believe. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > I got it all from the handbook and the mailing list archives. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=106398+109934+/usr/local/www/db/text/2009/freebsd-questions/20091011.freebsd-questions http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 20:41:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5945310656C6 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Rees wrote: > I have always considered hard disk, floppy diskette, and compact disc > (and digital versatile disc) to be the terminology; but then again the > official British spelling is disc, whereas AFAICR the US spelling is > disk. The official British spelling is whichever one of disc or disk takes your= fancy at the time. Very few people actually care one way or the other. Cheers Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig9B2F5BF91A9927DDDB896A11 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrmCWcACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzrTQCgkVESIx9R/t3sP66ayQFvBYek my0An3VqQ8qMtAEzNpXSUc5jJ+sYu076 =GaY6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9B2F5BF91A9927DDDB896A11-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 21:06:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A720106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74248FC1A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji.config (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A203296059D620B; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:17 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE60F49.4050709@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:17 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamie Griffin , User Questions References: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> <31466587@ipt.ru> <20091026141730.GA2935@cs.man.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <20091026141730.GA2935@cs.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: can't make www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:06:52 -0000 Jamie Griffin wrote: > On Mon 26.Oct'09 at 13:17:56 +0300, Boris Samorodov wrote: >> The port www/linux-f10-flashplugin needs linux -f10- ports. The latter >> are defaults for FreeBSD-8.x and later. You can use them at 7.2 >> (7.2-STABLE is preferred). For more unformation take a look at >> /usr/ports/UPDATING "20090401: AFFECTS: users of linux Fedora 8 >> infrastructure ports" (it deals with non default f8 ports, f10 >> are the same with "f10" value). HTH >> >> Please, keep in mind that those ports are not defaults for 7.x. >> > > Hi, thanks for the reply. I worked out what was causing the problem in > the end. (incidentally, i already had made sure the linux-f10-base was > installed.) I had stupidly left whitespace after the = sign in the file: > > /etc/sysctl.conf: > > OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT =f10 > OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORT =f10 > > correcting that did the trick and its all working great. > > Thanks again, though. > > Jamie Just in case someone looks here and not in UPDATING referred above, they go in /etc/make.conf but you probably meant that :) Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 21:23:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F2B106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jg@cs.man.ac.uk) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEA08FC0C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk ([10.2.18.1]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2X2V-0003Ut-GZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:43 +0000 Received: from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com ([86.179.86.196]:59721 helo=bsdbox.griffinet.org) by gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2X2V-0007Yx-5Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:43 +0000 Received: from bsdbox.griffinet.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsdbox.griffinet.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9QLNehG002139 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:40 GMT (envelope-from jg@bsdbox.griffinet.org) Received: (from jg@localhost) by bsdbox.griffinet.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9QLNepK002138 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:40 GMT (envelope-from jg) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:40 +0000 From: Jamie Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091026212340.GA2107@bsdbox.griffinet.org> References: <4AE4E1CD.80106@gmx.com> <31466587@ipt.ru> <20091026141730.GA2935@cs.man.ac.uk> <4AE60F49.4050709@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE60F49.4050709@onetel.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.2 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x842DD368 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: F850 A09C F877 FBC4 A63C FDDC 7484 4EEF 842D D368 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Authenticated-Sender: Jamie Griffin from host86-179-86-196.range86-179.btcentralplus.com (bsdbox.griffinet.org) [86.179.86.196]:59721 X-Authenticated-From: jamie.griffin@student.manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. Subject: Re: can't make www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:45 -0000 > Just in case someone looks here and not in UPDATING referred above, they > go in /etc/make.conf but you probably meant that :) > > Chris Hi chris oops, yes that is what meant. sorry. J From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 22:43:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF7106566C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B138FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji.config (93.97.24.219) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A23ECF805CE3184 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:17 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:17 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [freebsd-questions] in subject line X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:19 -0000 Hi Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different 'folders' I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? Thanks Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 22:54:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE31D1065692 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5F38FC18 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:20 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KS500G8U8YJCG50@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <43B213FE-A1A1-48CA-8B2A-1A494F34F12E@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Chris Whitehouse In-reply-to: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:54:18 -0700 References: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:54:20 -0000 Hi, Chris-- On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list > name in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite > useful for setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists > into different 'folders' > > I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account > settings to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it > seen as undesirable? It's a per-list option in Mailman, not a per-user option. In order to filter list mail, you can key off of the List-Id: header instead.... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 22:59:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEACF106566B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dcdowse@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1306D8FC13 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Oct 2009 22:59:55 -0000 Received: from p4FD4FD9D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO bytebox) [79.212.253.157] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 26 Oct 2009 23:59:55 +0100 X-Authenticated: #30106961 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Hwng4Bl9HmoaEIgHTC7I6sg7S05i0PvukllMKQs h4BZpyV/7WJG1G Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:59:54 +0100 From: "Daniel C. Dowse" To: Chris Whitehouse Message-Id: <20091026235954.417752dd.dcdowse@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> References: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-unknown-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:59:57 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:43:17 +0000 Chris Whitehouse wrote: > Hi > > Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name in > square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for > setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into different > 'folders' > > I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings to > add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as undesirable? > > Thanks > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I filter my incoming msgs by the field. So no need for [ ] if you filter by or or or all together. I`m using Sylpheed cheers Daniel -- [ The only reality is virtual ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 26 23:13:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B904106568B for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rstill74@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B88FC0A for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so2224419pxi.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hV/yIWVsCHT1isAsXfv2ZvB+/zfxPDfcvi8QZAAsw7g=; b=kJPjdZAXgpJ3mdAF0qR9rP6UuQ5295qHzXioQGrX1Q7E/lLnaLaheIxNhj3U8tJrhl ALqdDpvrZ4FTqYKZWGFAwuuQ1GGvClyV2M1iQ8tRo8XLX+EbQlgOwtLxjS/N65+LZBFX 9s5r73uF5VQdAXnU4/Oz4aywIHKX17xf/L/GA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PhorWuyB0Uk3rl6FrLK48UJIQD5KVKs48lo2JdiiimReN0L22y55f+NLTqL0eY+d/+ KS9tlUfSovNFDUujtzTsgl8ob7txBY+Uqf9yTd/MyTEt0RyEYiI2WO5CrbfGj/JDMAJM rJQyfhIGn2IpddFfu3ol6baMMDNtRlT9HPS2k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.2.14 with SMTP id 14mr667759wfb.15.1256598827739; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:13:47 -0600 Message-ID: <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Still To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:13:48 -0000 Ok, tell me just how nuts this idea is. To recap, two pipes, one destination. I set up second DNS server. ns1.example.com at 70.65..... (provider 1) ns2.example.com at 206.75....(provider 2) A records for example.org on ns1 will give 70.65..... on ns2 206.75.... if provider one goes down, ns1 is gone, ns2 is still available, and so is the route to the sites. It's not the best solution, but it's better than what I have. Am I missing something that's going to come back and bite me in the butt? Thanks, Ray On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > I googled "dns round robin failover" and there are many hits. =A0One inte= resting one is: > http://forums.devshed.com/dns-36/ha-using-round-robin----working-368800.h= tml > > It suggests well written apps / resolvers will try to use all ip's return= ed by the query starting with the preferred one, not JUST the preferred one= . =A0Which means, just by enabling round robin with multiple A records, you= MAY get some level of HA/Failover by default. =A0Cool, BUT, I wouldn't bet= my life on it. =A0I'd still have something that could tweak your DNS recor= ds based on packet loss, latency, etc. =A0What if your circuit is "up", but= is degraded by loss, latency (load induced or otherwise), etc. > > As you mentioned, something is better than nothing - so start simple and = go from there! > > HTH! > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions= @freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Gatten > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:07 PM > To: Ray Still; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: bind configuration issues > > I'm not intimate with bind, or anything/one actually - but that's another= story... > > Anyway, the gist is you need to "ping" some public hosts from your dns se= rver (or another system I guess, but easier if on the dns server). =A0One d= estination host would be reachable through one connection, and the other of= course would only be reachable through the alternate connection. =A0Maybe = use the primary DNS servers each upstream ISP provides to you? =A0Anyway, i= f both pings are OK, then your DNS server does round-robin for the host(s) = in question. =A0If one ping fails, then you stop handing out that IP. =A0Yo= u can for the route taken within ping itself, or use static host(/32) route= s, etc. > > Sounds simple huh? =A0It kinda is, and LONG ago I had a shell script to d= o just this, but it's gone - and maybe bind 9+ has some sort of this functi= onality available to you embedded in the bind code? =A0Don't know. =A0Even = if you have to write your own script to update your dns records based on yo= ur monitoring process it's not that hard even for a scripting novice such a= s myself! > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions= @freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ray Still > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 1:56 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: bind configuration issues > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Gatten wrote= : >> >> You certainly don't "need" BGP for this, the DNS thing will work, but wi= ll be a bit kludgy and certainly not as ... "responsive" to failures - a la= query caching, TTL's and what not. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> To: Ray Still >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Sent: Mon Oct 26 12:50:56 2009 >> Subject: Re: bind configuration issues >> >> On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ray Still wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting >> > setup and >> > I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. >> >> The two issues normally aren't related. >> >> If both connections are from the same provider, talk to them about >> multilink PPP; if they are from different providers, you need to look >> into multihoming and getting your own AS #. >> > > two different providers. > >> >> > Current setup: >> > freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name >> > server. >> > static ip address in router. >> > I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip >> > address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) >> > >> > Desired setup >> > same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. >> > different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. >> >> In order to have redundancy, you need to have two real, separate >> machines, each of which is running BIND, each of which is on a >> separate routable IP.=A0 This is an orthogonal issue to setting up >> multiple Internet connections. > > Yes, In an ideal world I would do this. The two machines would also be > in separate buildings/cities/provinces/countries/planets > (pick your level of paranoia)=A0 ;) > However, reducing single points of failure is an improvement, even if > I can't eliminate them. > > >> >> > How do I set up bind so that >> > 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, >> > and >> > 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. >> > I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. >> >> You can't set up BIND to control multilink aggregation and failover; >> that's not what it does. >> >> Regards, >> -- freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> -Chuck >> > > Thanks for the replies. > Chuck, thanks for the keywords to search. Some of what I'm finding > looks like a solution for companies a lot bigger than me, but I'll > keep looking. > > Gary, can you give me any clues about how to do it with just DNS? Yes, > I do realize that this leaves single points of failure, but at least > they would be points that I could do something about if necessary. > > Thanks again, > Ray >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> >> "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient an= d may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you ar= e not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use,= dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if= any, is strictly prohibited. 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dHRhY2htZW50cywgaWYgYW55LCBpcyBzdHJpY3RseSBwcm9oaWJpdGVkLiAgSWYgeW91IGhhdmUK IHJlY2VpdmVkIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgaW4gZXJyb3IsIHBsZWFzZSBpbW1lZGlhdGVseSBub3RpZnkg dGhlIHNlbmRlciBieQogcmV0dXJuIGVtYWlsIGFuZCBkZWxldGUgdGhpcyBlbWFpbCBmcm9tIHlv dXIgc3lzdGVtLiIKPC9mb250PgoK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 00:05:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA896106568F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DC58FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:05:58 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS500GMIC9X7870@VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:30 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: herbert langhans References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> In-reply-to: <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:05:58 -0000 Thank you very much Herbert, I appreciate your input. As I wrote in my original query, I had auccessfully installed the lilnux-flashplugin9 on FreeBSD 7.2 both on a 64 bit portable _ Acer Travelmate 4400 - and on a couple of disks on the same machine (i386). I followed the instructions from http://crnl.org/blog/2008/11/01/flash-9-for-freebsd-71#comment-form upgrade FreeBSD. Once that's done the rest is straight forward. Step 1: Enable Linux compatibility and linprocfs Add linux_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf. Add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf. Add OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f8 to /etc/make.conf. Add this line to /etc/fstab: linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 Then run these commands: mkdir -p /usr/compat/linux/proc mount /usr/compat/linux/proc /etc/rc.d/abi start /etc/rc.d/sysctl start Step 2: Update ports and install all the needed software You will now need to install the following ports and their dependencies: cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f8 && make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin9 && make install clean cd /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper && make install clean Follow the nspluginwrapper instructions to enable all available plugins: # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /root/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /root/.mozilla/plugins Restart or open Firefox 3 and enter about:plugins into your address bar. You should see something like the following: And that's it! Open your favourite Flash site and all should work. If your browser doesn't register the Shockwave Flash plugin as pictured above, you might need to do a bit of extra work as I had to do on one of my machines: cd /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins && ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so npwrapper.libflashplayer.so I'm not sure why one of my machines needed this, but it might happen to you so this is just a heads up. Update: I have learned that the change with the plugin directory is due to a change in FreeBSD's Firefox 3 port. If you're running port version 3.0.1_1 or later you will need to use the new plugin directory as shown above. CVS change history can be seen here. Enjoy! Worked without a problem. But while learning how to dump/restore to make clones, I cannot imagine what happened, but I found that the machines now had lilnux-fc4 distribution. This did not work. I have tried to install all the versions of linux, except the f10, and all versions of flashplayer 0 7, 9 and even 10 ... no way will it work...so I just have to abandon it an accept the fact that Adobe sucks just as much as MushWindows. I have also tried following the instructions in the manual and have lost a tremendous lot of time... really, this is the kind of shit that we just don't need ... why do we tolerate the likes of Adobe and MS? (Rhetorical question) Thanks, anyway. herbert langhans wrote: > I have some instructions on http://freebsd.langhans.com.pl/af/index.html - not updated for a while, but it might be some useful input. > > Cheers > herb langhans > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 07:56:58PM -0400, PJ wrote: > >> Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. >> I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but >> somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. >> I thought I had installed it with linux-f8 emulations but I found the >> linux-f4 on the machine... so I don't know what is going on. >> Now, trying to reinstall under linux-f8 and flashplugin9 does not work... >> Adobe seems to be toally unreliable as to what they are doing with their >> software; at least from what I can see about the problems users are >> having with their products. >> So, the question - what is the latest method to get the flashplugin to >> work - what linux emulation, whick version of flashplugin... stumble, >> bumble and mumble ... >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 00:10:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A155A106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791468FC13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:10:55 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS50085CCI6R270@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE63AAF.9010802@videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:11:27 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Matthew Seaman References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-reply-to: <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:10:55 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > PJ wrote: >> Is there any definitive install guide for flashplugin. >> I was able to install it on a 7.2 64bit machine and then on an i386 but >> somehow it has morphed into god-knows-what and no longer works. > > This is what I did for a 7.2 box. Note that there are compatibility > issues between new versions of Linux emulation and older versions of > FreeBSD, so don't expect this to work with anything older. > > * Make a note of all the linux-emulated software you have installed > for later reference: > > # pkg_info -orx linux > linux-stuff > > We save the package origins in particular, because this procedure > will result in a name change for most linux packages. > > * Delete everything linux related > > # pkg_delete -rx linux > > * Check and clean out /compat/linux -- there shouldn't be any interesting > files left in this directory after the above step. As I recall, when I > did this, there was a ldconfig.hints file (which would be regenerated on > demand), and some Acrobat related stuff under /compat/linux/home/matthew > which I didn't care about, and which shouldn't have been there anyhow. > > # cd /compat/linux > # find . -type f -ls > # rm -rf * > > * Change the default Linux kernel version for emulation: > > # sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 > > Also add "compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16" to /etc/sysctl.conf so it > gets reset on reboots. > > * Tell the ports system we want to use Fedora-10 as the Linux base by > adding > > OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT= f10 > OVERRIDE_LINUX_NONBASE_PORTS= f10 > > to /etc/make.conf. > > * Now install www/linux-f10-flashplugin10 from ports -- this should > have all > of the following as dependencies (modulo any version updates that may > have > happened since writing this): > > % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 > Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: > > Depends on: > Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 > Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g > Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 > Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 > Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 > Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 > Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 > Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 > Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 > > if that isn't the case and you aren't getting the f10 flavour of those > ports, double check everything you've done so far for errors, and try > again > from the top. > > * Add nspluginwrapper to enable Firefox to load the flash add-on: > > # portinstall www/nspluginwrapper > > (This has a dependency list as long as your arm, so it might take some > time...) > > Following the install instructions for the nspluginwrapper package > (which > you can redisplay by "pkg_info -Dx nspluginwrapper") install > whatever globally > available plugins there are by running this as root: > > # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i > > This puts plugins into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/ which Firefox > should > read. Alternatively, install the plugins locally to your own user > account > by running that command under your own UID: > > % nspluginwrapper -v -a -i > > * Finally, fire up Firefox and check that it has loaded the flash > plugin by > typing 'about:plugins' into the URL bar. Find a site with flash > content[*], > and enjoy. > > * Check the list you made at the first step, and reinstall any other > linux > applications you want. > So far I've found flash10 under Fedora10 to be pretty stable and > inoffensive > on FreeBSD 7.2. You even get the sound track on Flash movies. > However I'm > still running Firefox with xpi-flashblock-1.5.11.2 and > xpi-noscript-1.9.3.3 on general principles > > Adobe Acrobat isn't working, but I think that's more to do with the > map_at_zero stuff introduced in the last security advisory. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > [*] I think there are one or two flash based things at YouTube.com > Much appreciated, Matthew. I will give it a shot... maybe I should have tried to clean things out earlier... I was just too-dumb-lazy and din't know the shortcuts you offer above. Will let you know... but it may take some time as I have to catch up with lost time & energy. :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 00:16:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41939106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181178FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:16:38 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS500E35CRPXIG0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE63C06.7070204@videotron.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:17:10 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Freminlins References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-reply-to: Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:16:38 -0000 Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/25 Matthew Seaman > > > >> % pkg_info -r linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32 >> Information for linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r32: >> >> Depends on: >> Dependency: linux_base-f10-10_2 >> Dependency: linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g >> Dependency: linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 >> Dependency: linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 >> Dependency: linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22 >> Dependency: linux-f10-curl-7.19.4_4 >> Dependency: linux-f10-nspr-4.7.4 >> Dependency: linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 >> Dependency: linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0 >> >> > > Why the hell the Flash plugin (for Linux) needs openldap and sqlite I do not > know. SASL too for that matter. > > I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long > time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of > installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working > unreliably. > I haven't tried your last suggestion yet... but it will be the last... I'm only wanted to be able to use it for my own development stuff - I have to time for the youtubes and mindless twitterings. Fortunately, as much as I hate MS, flash does work on it. But adobe and ms muck up the system so that it lumbers along like a humpty-Dumpty overstuffed S-car-go! ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 00:42:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616721065696 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F09A48FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58872 invoked by uid 89); 27 Oct 2009 00:44:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 Oct 2009 00:44:07 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE641EA.2070003@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:42:18 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Still References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:42:22 -0000 Ray Still wrote: > Ok, > tell me just how nuts this idea is. imho, your thought-process is not nuts. I can see what you are trying to do, so kudos given for trying to work it out with what you have. > To recap, two pipes, one destination. > I set up second DNS server. > ns1.example.com at 70.65..... (provider 1) > ns2.example.com at 206.75....(provider 2) > A records for example.org on ns1 will give 70.65..... > on ns2 206.75.... > if provider one goes down, ns1 is gone, ns2 is still available, and so > is the route to the sites. Note: I haven't followed the entire thread... Remember that no matter where your name servers are located, they both will hold the same information (if they don't, then shame on you, as you just broke scalability). This means that other caching servers all over the 'net may have either entry. Some ISP's name servers will cache records even longer than what your TTL is set to without trying to re-check (shame on them). Hence, you can never count on using DNS naming as a tactic for redundancy. > It's not the best solution, but it's better than what I have. If I understand your conundrum properly (one server with an internal IP, with NAT in front of it, port-forwarded back aliased from two separate ISP public IPs), then, at minimum, here's how you can essentially 'halve' the damage: - set up your DNS servers in a proper master/slave configuration - configure your 'A' records in a round-robin setup. I'll assume your zone is ibctech.ca, and that your $TTL is 360: www IN A 208.70.104.210 www IN A 208.70.104.211 (yes, I know 360 puts pressure on everyone else, but this is for example purposes). If I know I will need to make DNS changes in advance for a domain, I'll set the TTL to 360 (secs) long before the changes need to be made. Then, I can make the changes, and if caching resolvers are Doing The Right Thing, they will pick up these changes after five minutes. If you have a domain that is high-traffic, don't do this. I'd like to emphasize that a low ttl puts pressure on every DNS caching server on the Internet that must look up information on your domain. With that said, with a 5 min ttl, in the event of an outage, you can hop onto your authoritative DNS server, switch BOTH A records to point to the working IP, and the rest of the 'net 'should' be able to see those changes within five minutes (again, if they obey your ttl). Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 00:46:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43343106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5702F8FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58977 invoked by uid 89); 27 Oct 2009 00:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 Oct 2009 00:48:41 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE642FC.9020501@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:46:52 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Still References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:46:53 -0000 Ray Still wrote: > Ok, > tell me just how nuts this idea is. In addition to my other post: I like your mentality of trying to do whatever you can to create redundancy. I've often tried to think of ways to use DNS to make things redundant and resilient. Keep up trying new ways to stretch things in ways people may not have expected. You never know what you may stumble across one day. Cheers, Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 01:06:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653C8106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:06:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120848FC13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBD03A3945; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:06:49 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:from:from:message-id:date :date:received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1256605609; x= 1258420009; bh=A19OR6etkKJtEp58Oi7iFIK705bRpz57PcmK7d3eThM=; b=W Pmb97bnWoxpMi4ahqHIFPWeu8mUgoMuZRMtcmkd/rl7vPWtFgXPTb1EXEppBD0Jt Ou3gYcl4w6HX9NDEmr5EhntqR+DNb8jMsKjVJlixJaRYR77u/7soZBY0m3EVM/Oa 1S5gMwttQYzm+eDbiyzriz15/0r3EN5Jjt4TWva1PI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jH+47P8aFexh; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:06:49 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F8063A387C; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:06:49 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9R16lGb095725; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:06:47 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:06:47 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910270106.n9R16lGb095725@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: yuri@rawbw.com In-reply-to: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> (message from Yuri on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:29:27 -0700) References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:06:52 -0000 > How many people actually use it? Very few. Out of the 12 or 15 servers I run, only one do not use stock sendmail: the mail server. So one out of twelve is rather quite a lot... Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 01:36:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240E81065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay2.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY2.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB158FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:36:50 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,629,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="227312555" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay2.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 02:36:48 +0100 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id DB9D71B0766; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:36:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:36:48 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:36:51 -0000 hi there, i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that address. unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. any advice on how to do this? cheers. alex ps: i'm running FreeBSD otaku 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #7 r198330M: Thu Oct 22 18:03:45 CEST 2009 root@otaku:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARUNDEL i386 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 01:41:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6349106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E85C68FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 61094 invoked by uid 89); 27 Oct 2009 01:42:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 Oct 2009 01:42:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE64FAE.2020303@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:41:02 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:09 -0000 Alexander Best wrote: > hi there, > > i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > > permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > > so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that address. > unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. It doesn't work that way. The 'hosts' file resolves a name to an IP address. I can see what you want to do here, but to get there, you must provide in your own words what it is you want exactly... Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 01:44:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB27106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:44:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF5C8FC14 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8293A3948; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:44:15 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:from:from:message-id:date :date:received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1256607855; x= 1258422255; bh=xdLokuWmYS+72FgdR46mqdg0jeCJqVKihOvBI1mAtxg=; b=K SzSZVTXRl2cgqILFVBOFidbxWuKOrcma1ajlzkLCQ89weAXu8eZHdvqwb9OZztKo rOWFpA0njEVd0cQ6eq9Qmfr3/FVQO1KYM12nNaFCfWgmxM3rPrIAMDuJfkGtXREu j2rUINYKXM/J2aJ4LIU2atskE3yvSGRrOv7ik30bic= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id v26mXGrlMlB1; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:44:15 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A54E53A3939; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:44:14 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9R1iDAM037191; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:44:13 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:44:13 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910270144.n9R1iDAM037191@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: alexbestms@math.uni-muenster.de In-reply-to: (message from Alexander Best on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:36:48 +0100 (CET)) References: Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:44:17 -0000 Hi, > i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > > permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > > so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that address. > unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. De3finitely not. man hosts to see the syntax and meaning of the /etc/hosts file. > any advice on how to do this? I am not sure what you want to do. You want to install a web server that only serves https? then you configure your web server to only serve https, in Apache configuration you would only have a and none with port 80. Best regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 02:29:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91B9106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay1.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1018FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:29:15 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,629,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="286570007" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay1.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 03:29:13 +0100 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER01.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id D4D051B0766; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:29:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:29:13 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Olivier Nicole , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200910270144.n9R1iDAM037191@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:29:16 -0000 Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: > Hi, > > i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > > permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > > so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that > > address. > > unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. > De3finitely not. man hosts to see the syntax and meaning of the > /etc/hosts file. > > any advice on how to do this? > I am not sure what you want to do. You want to install a web server > that only serves https? then you configure your web server to only > serve https, in Apache configuration you would only have a > > and none with port 80. > Best regards, > Olivier sorry if i didn't specify my problem in detail. i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is being loaded. i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is trying to access the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to the ssl version by freebsd. cheers. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 02:38:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B194106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0A28FC15 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7183A3898; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:38:02 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:from:from:message-id:date :date:received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1256611082; x= 1258425482; bh=a44x9e2ROEr9AF0CaCp3w9y6vizDHoH7Rgkq9eM/m48=; b=i 3zy83/lQAvwIAt2mEJKV1kfZAWFutjXIYVPDKidqWQVwq5LR3ZqJFbivlkRJWPkR HkuHzcO90h5mO1AKVnJahb2kCKi/xfBZFXjOV75cx+I3E2kiGiiG6S12g6Peyeoq xU8mrE9s6GH6lhPHVrdJceNS0GmCK/iowC3DHbm844= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0MQXABYZcgwE; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:38:02 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA7C03A388D; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:38:01 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9R2bwQ3037698; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:37:58 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:37:58 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910270237.n9R2bwQ3037698@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: alexbestms@math.uni-muenster.de In-reply-to: (message from Alexander Best on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:29:13 +0100 (CET)) References: Cc: alexbestms@math.uni-muenster.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, steve@ibctech.ca Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:38:05 -0000 Alex, > i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point is: > i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in apps like > lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is being loaded. > i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is trying to access > the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to the ssl version by > freebsd. I think it is the responsibility of the person in charge of the server to decide whether non-ssl connections are allowed or not; and to redirect non-ssl connections to ssl ones when needed. That should never be a burden for the client. Now on your client side what you can do is: - set-up a firewall to forbid non-ssl connections to certain web sites: if you try a non-ssl connection, it will be refused; easy enough to set-up, but frustrating when you see that your connection is refused; - set-up a proxy/redirector to change your non-ssl connections to ssl one: certainly an heavier thing to set-up, but would work transparently; Good luck, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 02:42:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE5D106568F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C00928FC21 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63519 invoked by uid 89); 27 Oct 2009 02:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 27 Oct 2009 02:44:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE65E25.2050701@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:42:45 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Best References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:42:46 -0000 Alexander Best wrote: > Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: >> Hi, > >>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > >>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > >>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>> address. >>> unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. > >> De3finitely not. man hosts to see the syntax and meaning of the >> /etc/hosts file. > >>> any advice on how to do this? > >> I am not sure what you want to do. You want to install a web server >> that only serves https? then you configure your web server to only >> serve https, in Apache configuration you would only have a >> >> and none with port 80. > >> Best regards, > >> Olivier > > sorry if i didn't specify my problem in detail. > > i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point is: > i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in apps like > lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is being loaded. > i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is trying to access > the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to the ssl version by > freebsd. I thought that this is what you were originally after. FreeBSD, in itself, can't do this... much like Mac OS or Windows can't do this. Most applications such as Firefox can't even do this (inherently). If you are trying to enforce this as a personal/company policy, you will need to write a 'wrapper' around your application (lynx/firefox) to do this. Note that your example was :25->:443, which implied SMTP over SSL... Nonetheless, FreeBSD can't make these decisions inherently (thankfully). 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 03:40:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E8C1065694 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7ED88FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N2cuu-0006BJ-7k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:40:16 +0100 Received: from pool-70-21-24-213.res.east.verizon.net ([70.21.24.213]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:40:16 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-70-21-24-213.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:40:16 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:40:48 -0400 Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <4AE65E25.2050701@ibctech.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-70-21-24-213.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:40:19 -0000 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Alexander Best wrote: >> Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: >>> Hi, >> >>>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: >> >>>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 >> >>>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>>> address. >>>> unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. >> [snip] >> >> i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point >> is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in >> apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is >> being loaded. i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is >> trying to access the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to >> the ssl version by freebsd. > > I thought that this is what you were originally after. > > FreeBSD, in itself, can't do this... much like Mac OS or Windows can't > do this. > > Most applications such as Firefox can't even do this (inherently). > > If you are trying to enforce this as a personal/company policy, you will > need to write a 'wrapper' around your application (lynx/firefox) to do > this. > > Note that your example was :25->:443, which implied SMTP over SSL... > > Nonetheless, FreeBSD can't make these decisions inherently (thankfully). > > Steve I think the OP does not have a clear grasp on how the various protocols operate. Evidenced by confusing http with mail services. Yes, I know there is 'web mail', but even web based mail is still a web server. It is up to the server operator to configure the services on the server end of things. Whether its SMTP with SSL/TLS, HTTP/HTTPS, pop3 or imap with SSL, etc., all of these things are made to work at the server end. True enough a client may need to be configured to talk on port 995 for pop3/SSL or port 993 for IMAP/SSL but for the web a client shouldn't need to do anything. The web server operator configures which locations in his URI space should be served up on port 443, and the client's browser should automatically switch to HTTPS based upon this. The OP doesn't seem to understand that he doesn't need to make this happen on his end, at least as far as HTTP/HTTPS goes. If he is actually trying to configure a mail client to talk TLS or SSL to an SMTP server, then he needs to tell the email client software this. E.g., "This connection requires encryption" and whether it is SSL or TLS. Mail servers on port 25 do not use HTTP or HTTPS, but rather SMTP. So it seems as if he is just very confused. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 04:11:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765B5106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:11:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rstill74@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477E58FC15 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1830823pwj.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:11:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vaouuRqdxazeKJgbTTt3IjlN71DSq93LeRPliFATqaA=; b=wjAx4meYicqkEfceCVb07kTWzNzjVtAN2Q5KMRyHXcbxikha+dc2Cz5oBoRMq3OJl5 GN0SMn3AnjiW6w9/zOTb9IILDqXwgxJ3rNu6f7lFo+BfgauHoF7h9KUPcPpTDBCzJdJV h5U86vLbwZbmbcqV9XV3OM55y/Q5QTvCj3438= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JOXUrE1bnUy7td78u3WoIcf1XkBAHmzOyYcAhUb1hpW9du556UWpuY5tQE2q/g0a3U MemkVPuqZZfM+eZQXi07me1vdJ5bAS3jYRRXGg2L9Qf2k032b9p17aeA0DReLqNbBWkN PXZInarMrQYS4llqGS7WpHjcENIp/o1JxdssQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.20.41 with SMTP id x41mr1248129wfi.148.1256616662964; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:11:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE641EA.2070003@ibctech.ca> References: <19358_1256579715_4AE5E283_19358_105_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261155t641ae7bbu79bc08d735d69db6@mail.gmail.com> <21272_1256584114_4AE5F345_21272_1_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE7C@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <22794_1256588088_4AE60338_22794_16_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEE85@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <5e09dc040910261613x4d91116epf397bfc35955f65d@mail.gmail.com> <4AE641EA.2070003@ibctech.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:11:02 -0600 Message-ID: <5e09dc040910262111x5e848ce8j63c5ee0a568d99ef@mail.gmail.com> From: Ray Still To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:11:03 -0000 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Ray Still wrote: >> Ok, >> tell me just how nuts this idea is. > > imho, your thought-process is not nuts. I can see what you are trying to > do, so kudos given for trying to work it out with what you have. > >> To recap, two pipes, one destination. > >> I set up second DNS server. >> ns1.example.com at 70.65..... (provider 1) >> ns2.example.com at 206.75....(provider 2) >> A records for example.org on ns1 will give =A070.65..... >> on ns2 206.75.... >> if provider one goes down, ns1 is gone, ns2 is still available, and so >> is the route to the sites. > > Note: I haven't followed the entire thread... > > Remember that no matter where your name servers are located, they both > will hold the same information (if they don't, then shame on you, as you > just broke scalability). > > This means that other caching servers all over the 'net may have either > entry. Some ISP's name servers will cache records even longer than what > your TTL is set to without trying to re-check (shame on them). Hence, > you can never count on using DNS naming as a tactic for redundancy. > >> It's not the best solution, but it's better than what I have. > > If I understand your conundrum properly (one server with an internal IP, > with NAT in front of it, port-forwarded back aliased from two separate > ISP public IPs), then, at minimum, here's how you can essentially > 'halve' the damage: > > - set up your DNS servers in a proper master/slave configuration > - configure your 'A' records in a round-robin setup. I'll assume your > zone is ibctech.ca, and that your $TTL is 360: > > www =A0 IN A 208.70.104.210 > www =A0 IN A 208.70.104.211 > > (yes, I know 360 puts pressure on everyone else, but this is for example > purposes). > > If I know I will need to make DNS changes in advance for a domain, I'll > set the TTL to 360 (secs) long before the changes need to be made. Then, > I can make the changes, and if caching resolvers are Doing The Right > Thing, they will pick up these changes after five minutes. > > If you have a domain that is high-traffic, don't do this. I'd like to > emphasize that a low ttl puts pressure on every DNS caching server on > the Internet that must look up information on your domain. > > With that said, with a 5 min ttl, in the event of an outage, you can hop > onto your authoritative DNS server, switch BOTH A records to point to > the working IP, and the rest of the 'net 'should' be able to see those > changes within five minutes (again, if they obey your ttl). > > Steve > OK, after reading and re-reading and experimenting I think I get it. Thanks for your comments and patience. I will probably end up using something based on Gary's round robin suggestion. It may not provide 100% reliable failover, but it will help, and worst case, it will provide some bandwidth sharing. Thanks, Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 04:26:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AED106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FB48FC0A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so10539352ywh.3 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:26:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=fSIL74E079/+iWUGZR9MfamCrnuroGz7dMILj3i47kQ=; b=VmF4FKK5BkBLFxCBEUXURym+h0yCJWRtShX3eI7FcVI2boZUrXXX4PaVCkr6rSL0Hr MNFLhLdvqgKT5sCv1AHGz/vc71Mczk0bMiOfKOXPG17ZCo+Nl6zXkSCiGNZYnPbc2yAu t+iaYwWHP+cGLpDcXpPhBYzVa6YE9xtidSbaA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=rxneqXroWDNf9pR3IinhJ7u42N3Xixs8rjnDierAhonU0910rdt+kQQry/sputUMMF UGsdBuHfEEhKPntMoFA0mqkA3rFljBoWuIclS0lq6O3k1OUmtU4uCnJm8ufYVicU568F VuzZquCvI/uJxBKgHCtIT/57/hJIj3dopEXMU= Received: by 10.150.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr234374yba.225.1256617600759; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-21.195.dialinfree.com (ppp-21.195.dialinfree.com [209.172.21.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1327620ywd.23.2009.10.26.21.26.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:26:30 -0400 From: jhell To: Alexander Best In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Steve Bertrand Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:26:42 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:29, alexbestms@ wrote: > Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: >> Hi, > >>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > >>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > >>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>> address. >>> unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. > >> De3finitely not. man hosts to see the syntax and meaning of the >> /etc/hosts file. > >>> any advice on how to do this? > >> I am not sure what you want to do. You want to install a web server >> that only serves https? then you configure your web server to only >> serve https, in Apache configuration you would only have a >> >> and none with port 80. > >> Best regards, > >> Olivier > > sorry if i didn't specify my problem in detail. > > i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point is: > i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in apps like > lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is being loaded. > i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is trying to access > the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to the ssl version by > freebsd. > > cheers. > alex > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Add some shell aliases to your shells rc's. Bourne style shells: alias your_name="lynx https://sub.domain.tld/" Ill leave the c style shell syntax for you to figure out. 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Posting replies to questions on LinkedIn Answers puts you in front of the world's professional community. http://www.linkedin.com/e/abq/inv-24/ ------ (c) 2009, LinkedIn Corporation From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 05:07:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81773106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from malcolm.kay@internode.on.net) Received: from ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A346E8FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:07:54 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAD8a5kp20gXF/2dsb2JhbACBUNZShD8E Received: from ppp118-210-5-197.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO alpha.home) ([118.210.5.197]) by ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 15:27:24 +1030 From: Malcolm Kay Organization: at home To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:27:23 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> Cc: rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:07:55 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:39 pm, Polytropon wrote: > Hi Rob, > > just a little terminology note (from me, Mister > Use-the-correct-words): If you are refering to a kind of hard > disk, use "disk" with k. Think like "diskette". If you are > refering to optical media, use "disc" with c. Think like "CD = > compact disc". An arbitrary convention adopted by you and a few other people does not invalidate the dictionary spellings and usage. My Australian (Macquarie) dictionary gives the spelling in all cases as "disc" but recognises "disk" as a chiefly US variant. My Conscise Oxford (English) dictionary simply gives the two spellings as alternatives but states that "disk" is the better. My Webster's (American) gives the two forms as alternatives without suggesting any preference. Of course different editions of the dictionaries may give slightly different slants but are most unlikely to actually contradict these possibly earlier views. > > Disk: disk pack, hard disk, disk drive > Disc: optical disc, magneto-optical disc, disc drive > > In your special case, you can even say that your external > hard disk shows up as a disc in "Windows". It's correct. > > I know it may sound impolite (but it is not meant to be), > but using the correct terminology is very important if you > want to be understood correctly. I find your distinctions arbitrary and quite inappropriate; again not meaning to sound impolite. So, each to his/her own usage but please do not be critical of those of us not conforming to your arbirary conventions. Malcolm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 05:51:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29795106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from malcolm.kay@internode.on.net) Received: from ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9888FC0A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:51:41 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAMsk5kp20gXF/2dsb2JhbACBUNY6hD8E Received: from ppp118-210-5-197.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO alpha.home) ([118.210.5.197]) by ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 16:21:39 +1030 From: Malcolm Kay Organization: at home To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:37 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> Cc: Polytropon , rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:51:42 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27 pm, Malcolm Kay wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:39 pm, Polytropon wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > > > just a little terminology note (from me, Mister > > Use-the-correct-words): If you are refering to a kind of > > hard disk, use "disk" with k. Think like "diskette". If you > > are refering to optical media, use "disc" with c. Think like > > "CD = compact disc". > > An arbitrary convention adopted by you and a few other people > does not invalidate the dictionary spellings and usage. > > My Australian (Macquarie) dictionary gives the spelling in all > cases as "disc" but recognises "disk" as a chiefly US variant. > My Conscise Oxford (English) dictionary simply gives the two > spellings as alternatives but states that "disk" is the > better. My Webster's (American) gives the two forms as > alternatives without suggesting any preference. Of course > different editions of the dictionaries may give slightly > different slants but are most unlikely to actually contradict > these possibly earlier views. > > > Disk: disk pack, hard disk, disk drive > > Disc: optical disc, magneto-optical disc, disc drive > > > > In your special case, you can even say that your external > > hard disk shows up as a disc in "Windows". It's correct. > > > > I know it may sound impolite (but it is not meant to be), > > but using the correct terminology is very important if you > > want to be understood correctly. > > I find your distinctions arbitrary and quite inappropriate; > again not meaning to sound impolite. So, each to his/her own > usage but please do not be critical of those of us not > conforming to your arbirary conventions. > Further, If we look at some acronyms associated with optical media we have: CD -> Compact Disc DVD -> Digital Video Disc but: UDF -> Universal Disk Format (The file system frequently used on CDs and DVDs) So there is no consistency here! Malcolm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 06:24:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315F9106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:24:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA9D8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9R6Nth7011229 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:23:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:23:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910270623.n9R6NtCU011228@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:24:23 -0000 On Thursday about two and a half weeks ago, updates came through for lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 that resulted in broken installation procedures, although both ports appeared to build correctly. Here are the relevant messages from lang/gcc43. (lang/gcc44 appeared to fail installation in exactly the same way, except for "gcc44" appearing where "gcc43" appears in the output shown here. I noticed that a day or two later lang/gcc45 was also updated, but because I did not have that port installed, I do not know whether it may also have been broken. I see also that a new update for lang/gcc45 has come out in the last couple of days. ===>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies ===>>> Gathering dependency list for lang/gcc43 from ports ===>>> Starting dependency check ===>>> Checking dependency: converters/libiconv ===>>> Checking dependency: math/libgmp4 ===>>> Checking dependency: math/mpfr ===>>> Dependency check complete for lang/gcc43 /bin/rm -f /usr/local/man/man7/fsf-funding.7 /usr/local/man/man7/gfdl.7 /usr/local/man/man7/gpl.7 install-info --quiet /usr/local/info/gcc43/cpp.info /usr/local/info/dir install-info: No such file or directory for /usr/local/info/gcc43/cpp.info *** Error code 1 /bin/rm -f /usr/local/lib/gcc43/*.la # Add target libraries and include files to packaging list. /bin/rm -f /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib cd /usr/local ; if [ -d lib/gcc43 ]; then /usr/bin/find lib/gcc43 -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find lib/gcc43 -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/local ; if [ -d libexec/gcc43 ]; then /usr/bin/find libexec/gcc43 -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find libexec/gcc43 -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/gcj ]; then /usr/bin/find include/gcj -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find include/gcj -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/gnu ]; then /usr/bin/find include/gnu -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find include/gnu -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/java ]; then /usr/bin/find include/java -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find include/java -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/javax ]; then /usr/bin/find include/javax -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find include/javax -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi cd /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work ; /usr/bin/sed -i -e "/PLIST.lib/ r PLIST.lib" /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/.PLIST.mktmp sed: /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/.PLIST.mktmp: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' /bin/sh ./../gcc-4.3-20091004/mkinstalldirs /usr/local /usr/local gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libdecnumber' gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libdecnumber' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/intl' gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/intl' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/fixincludes' rm -rf /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools /bin/sh .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43 mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5 mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools /bin/sh .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/include mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43 mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libstdc++-v3' Making install in include mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5 mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/include install -o root -g wheel -m 444 .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/README-fixinc \ /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/include/README install -o root -g wheel -m 555 fixinc.sh /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/fixinc.sh install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 fixincl \ /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/fixincl gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libiberty' gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libcpp' [many, many non-problematic messages omitted --SB] install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/java/net/PlainSocketImpl$SocketOutputStream.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include/c++//gnu/java/net/ install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/java/nio/PipeImpl$SinkChannelImpl.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include/c++//gnu/java/nio/ install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/java/nio/PipeImpl$SourceChannelImpl.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include/c++//gnu/java/nio/ gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libjava' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libjava' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/libjava' gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' 2 errors ===>>> A backup package for gcc-4.3.5.20090913 should be located in /usr/ports/packages/portmaster-backup ===>>> Installation of gcc-4.3.5.20091004 (lang/gcc43) failed ===>>> Aborting update ===>>> Update for gcc-4.3.5.20090913 failed ===>>> Aborting update 8365.453u 1070.256s 1:44:55.10 149.8% -296+2057k 39191+134524io 22824pf+0w I haven't seen any further updates come through for either lang/gcc43 or lang/gcc44. Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 06:40:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F0106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from malcolm.kay@internode.on.net) Received: from ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A4C8FC0C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:40:19 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAOYy5kp20gXF/2dsb2JhbACBUNZOhD8E Received: from ppp118-210-5-197.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO alpha.home) ([118.210.5.197]) by ipmail03.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 17:10:17 +1030 From: Malcolm Kay Organization: at home To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:10:16 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <54db43990910261048k8a5d644q2950d4d5e5cb3b01@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271710.16260.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> Cc: Bob Johnson Subject: Re: Disk vs Disc (was: WD External Disc Drive) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:40:20 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:29 am, Chris Rees wrote: > I have always considered hard disk, floppy diskette, and > compact disc (and digital versatile disc) to be the > terminology; but then again the official British spelling is > disc, whereas AFAICR the US spelling is disk. What organisation defines "official British Spelling". I beleive there is no "official" in this context but perhaps the closest is the Oxford Disctionary. My Concise Oxford Dictionary gives both spellings as alternatives but states that "disk" is the better. My Webster's (American) Dictionary makes no distinction. > > Chris Malcolm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 06:43:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2498106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from ehlo.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5d:b35f]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4368FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (nemo.ece.pdx.edu [131.252.209.162]) by ehlo.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id n9R6hpfE024786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:51 -0700 Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9R6hpjo014660 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id n9R6hpxC014648 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nemo.ece.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:51 -0700 From: freebsd@t41t.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ehlo.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.106]); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:43:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=6.0 tests=WCODE_1c,WCODE_1i autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ehlo.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at ehlo.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:43:54 -0000 On 7.2-RELEASE-p4, I have a very complicated C program: int main(int argc, char** argv) { return 5; } I can compile this program (cc example.c -o example) and it compiles and runs fine. However, if I try to enable profiling of this program by compiling it as "cc example.c -pg -o example" I get an error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_p Is there some port/package that I'm missing? A configuration somewhere? Why is ld stumbling on the profiling flag? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 07:16:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD07A1065694 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from b.mail.ru.ac.za (b.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965AA8FC1A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:16:34 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=eAPrsMI5/0b0WpGWvB5qK2OAb/lbB4cu0x8yoe2pYkjTnck9CuhuKJg1uEv4aepZj8WNKA2iP0XF9ziCeLP1OWXQDMBmKsbHoDMvRkhqwTpPAsgnM3dwq0+SicMyAvgd; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:63351) by b.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N2gIB-0001uY-7m for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:31 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: b.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:2) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:16:35 -0000 On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: > It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > How many people actually use it? Very few. > Why isn't it moved to ports? What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it! Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 07:28:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902061065679 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D44D8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id B733E16B937; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:28:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.75]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6995416B5BF; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:28:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:20:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:19:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Jonathan McKeown In-Reply-To: <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Message-ID: <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:28:46 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >> >> How many people actually use it? Very few. >> Why isn't it moved to ports? > > What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 07:49:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A18106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelgrunewald@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp5.netcologne.de (smtp5.netcologne.de [194.8.194.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8855F8FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from medbh.celt.neu (xdsl-213-196-225-165.netcologne.de [213.196.225.165]) by smtp5.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6717E40D027 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:31:19 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCnewald_Micha=EBl?= To: freebsd questions general Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:31:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:49:47 -0000 Dear list, after an incorrect power-off of my FreeBSD system, it does not boot =20 any more, BTX stops even before showing the cute beastie menu. =20 Starting the machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is =20 installed on has bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to =20 recover from this, if possible. Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with bad-=20 sectors, or can I continue using it? The Linux system I use to diagnose this says: hdb: media error (bad sector): status=3D0x51 { DriveReady =20 SeekComplete Error } hdb: media error (bad sector): error=3D0x30 { LastFailedSense=3D0x03 = } ... Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 1663200 etc. Since I use computers (1992) these are my first bad sectors :) (on =20 hard drives, taking floppies into account is no fun!). I hence have =20 several questions: -- is it possible to let these sectors? -- to which extents a hard-drive with bad sectors is usable? -- while the apparition of these bad sectors coincide with an =20 incorrect power-off, are the two events related? The machine suffered =20= plenty improper power-offs (or many), in the last years and did not =20 react so badly! --=20 Thank you in advance for your advices, Micha=EBl= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 08:01:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8952E106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE4E8FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id n9R81dhK013963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id n9R81dBa013962; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA18279; Mon, 26 Oct 09 23:54:40 PST Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:55:51 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4ae6a787.X5Dum/wMdLBm8KZM%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:01:45 -0000 > > > ... If you are refering to a kind of > > > hard disk, use "disk" with k. Think like "diskette". If you > > > are refering to optical media, use "disc" with c. Think like > > > "CD = compact disc". > > > > An arbitrary convention adopted by you and a few other people > > does not invalidate the dictionary spellings and usage. Am I the only one who is finding the longevity of this bikeshed a bit disk-gusting? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 08:09:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92381065679 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFDF8FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9R88vYl011843; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:08:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:08:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910270808.n9R88vMU011842@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Michael Powell Cc: Alexander Best Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:09:42 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:40:48 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: >Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Alexander Best wrote: >>> Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: >>>> Hi, >>> >>>>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: >>> >>>>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 >>> >>>>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>>>> address. >>>>> unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. >>> >[snip] >>> >>> i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point >>> is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in >>> apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is >>> being loaded. i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is >>> trying to access the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to >>> the ssl version by freebsd. >> >> I thought that this is what you were originally after. >> >> FreeBSD, in itself, can't do this... much like Mac OS or Windows can't >> do this. >> >> Most applications such as Firefox can't even do this (inherently). >> >> If you are trying to enforce this as a personal/company policy, you will >> need to write a 'wrapper' around your application (lynx/firefox) to do >> this. >> >> Note that your example was :25->:443, which implied SMTP over SSL... >> >> Nonetheless, FreeBSD can't make these decisions inherently (thankfully). >> >> Steve > >I think the OP does not have a clear grasp on how the various protocols >operate. Evidenced by confusing http with mail services. Yes, I know there >is 'web mail', but even web based mail is still a web server. > >It is up to the server operator to configure the services on the server end >of things. Whether its SMTP with SSL/TLS, HTTP/HTTPS, pop3 or imap with SSL, >etc., all of these things are made to work at the server end. True enough a >client may need to be configured to talk on port 995 for pop3/SSL or port >993 for IMAP/SSL but for the web a client shouldn't need to do anything. > >The web server operator configures which locations in his URI space should >be served up on port 443, and the client's browser should automatically >switch to HTTPS based upon this. The OP doesn't seem to understand that he >doesn't need to make this happen on his end, at least as far as HTTP/HTTPS >goes. All of this is true, but it is also true that many web sites offer part or all of their content pages by both protocols, which allows a client to fetch such pages by his/her choice of protocol. For such sites, it can be quite helpful to have a way to tell the browser to prefer, or even require, one or the other. > >If he is actually trying to configure a mail client to talk TLS or SSL to an >SMTP server, then he needs to tell the email client software this. E.g., >"This connection requires encryption" and whether it is SSL or TLS. Mail >servers on port 25 do not use HTTP or HTTPS, but rather SMTP. > >So it seems as if he is just very confused. > Definitely the case. However, this list is intended to provide help to users at all levels of experience and understanding. What has been overlooked in all of the above discussion is that there *is* some help available for the OP. A plug-in is available for Firefox that should *always* be installed ASAP after Firefox has been installed unless you don't give a rat's ass about browser security. The plug-in is called "NoScript". (Other highly recommended Firefox security plug-ins include QuickJava, SafeCache, Torbutton, Better Privacy, etc.) Directions for the OP: after installing NoScript and restarting Firefox, bring up the NoScript Options panel. You can do this either by clicking on "Tools" in the Firefox menu bar at the top of the window and then on "Add-ons" or "Plug-ins" or some such, depending upon the Firefox version. This will bring up a panel listing all installed plug-ins. Find the entry for NoScript, click on the entry (not a button, though) to select it, then click on its "Preferences" button. Two alternative methods of getting to the same NoScript Options panel depend upon what you see at the bottom of the main Firefox window. If you see a bar inside the window at the bottom that says something about scripts with an "Options..." button at the right, clock on the "Options" button and then on the "Options..." line at the top of the resulting menu. The other alternative method is available when there is a capital letter "S" in a circle in the bottom Firefox status bar. Right-click on this "S", which may have a slash through it or other decorations, to get a slightly differently ordered menu. Click on the "Options..." line of this menu to get the NoScript Options panel. Once the NoScript Options panel is visible, click on the "Advanced" tab at the righthand end of the sequence of tabs. This will display some "subtabs" below the main tabs. Click again on the righthandmost tab, which says, "HTTPS". A third line of tabs should appear, containing just two tabs: "Behavior" and "Cookies". The "Behavior" tab is the one you want. You should be able to figure out what to do from there, but basically you can identify a site by host+domainname (e.g., www.sitename.com) into the upper or lower box, depending upon whether you wish to force connections to use HTTPS or instead to force connections *not* to use HTTPS. You may also specify an entire domain (e.g., *.sitename.com). Note, however, that you can tell the browser which protocol to use to request a page, but if the server does not offer service by that protocol you will get only an error page, as was implied by Michael Powell's remarks quoted above. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 08:12:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDB61065679 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vaibhav.gavane@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f190.google.com (mail-iw0-f190.google.com [209.85.223.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066428FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn28 with SMTP id 28so6669240iwn.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sibSO4iDvi/8tP2zfrhIWS0rTKNMzI+8GGWY12LGDtk=; b=lw6Eb4Lr6nUi3tQHXLCdjAtUpQtD9QsTdVuxf/OKLQ2pejKi8iBOGvTYYXHYFfjE0g z/qj129h0PyYj4m0lWqlzibhcVpp5uoILzc0b7I62jZHDimCYAJp/DZv2q4inO/7nv/f Xuf4qUar6tsyTKVqLYc6d/X4TWflesdgpM0aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Qd/CapWStPNx6yL4nbnTmpXnTfYqsyn6ixatlmQKeiwlUsprFn+prwEeT6j/PejFyE oVccRKoZx4cZhqcpU1GANZgG+c6ZLl9zCJKwMnb+53cgS/LrThGMqvA+USMv4nQ0I6ZC e0z2ZMdY9LeHfc+Py7ZR7pZDY7wXWF5c21D+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.125.13 with SMTP id w13mr5624708ibr.32.1256631126166; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:42:06 +0530 Message-ID: <7576e2a20910270112h4e641e8cr70a5aecd6bf5eeeb@mail.gmail.com> From: Vaibhav Gavane To: freebsd@t41t.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:12:07 -0000 Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 08:16:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309A3106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB328FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9R8GEEs071789; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:15 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9R8GEEs071789 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256631375; bh=Apl7UaLIlNMRheeqUaRsZCKwHyVOcM2YQ4wZVaP3zYY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE6AC47.9070800@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2027=20Oct=202009=2008:16:07=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=3DFCnewald_Micha=3DEBl?=3D=20 |CC:=20freebsd=20questions=20general=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20Bad=20sectors:=20 how=20bad=20can=20it=20be|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mu ltipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"app lication/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigB13 802AEAC2BF98179D5F2FC"; b=ZTwE6/ZOKkNrVpawjw846ceOB6HD69E3zw5qm3CWWnuejr7aRur97P/tkQSthUFQ5 cqPi4AUGSDFE3ULTsvOcLNWJJ1dm0FawUnIyKDwvqlAyJE7Nc7n3UkTAS4nV0Q1vJ2 arR9bkDfN2dd5uN1zNXoY435EF/mqdD4vg9iut9Q= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE6AC47.9070800@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:07 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCnewald_Micha=EBl?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB13802AEAC2BF98179D5F2FC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB13802AEAC2BF98179D5F2FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gr=FCnewald Micha=EBl wrote: > Dear list, >=20 > after an incorrect power-off of my FreeBSD system, it does not boot any= =20 > more, BTX stops even before showing the cute beastie menu. Starting the= =20 > machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is installed on has= =20 > bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to recover from this, if=20 > possible. >=20 > Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with=20 > bad-sectors, or can I continue using it? >=20 > The Linux system I use to diagnose this says: >=20 > hdb: media error (bad sector): status=3D0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplet= e=20 > Error } > hdb: media error (bad sector): error=3D0x30 { LastFailedSense=3D0x03 = } > ... > Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 1663200 >=20 > etc. >=20 > Since I use computers (1992) these are my first bad sectors :) (on hard= =20 > drives, taking floppies into account is no fun!). I hence have several = > questions: > -- is it possible to let these sectors? > -- to which extents a hard-drive with bad sectors is usable? > -- while the apparition of these bad sectors coincide with an=20 > incorrect power-off, are the two events related? The machine suffered=20 > plenty improper power-offs (or many), in the last years and did not=20 > react so badly! Yes. Back up your data and replace that disk ASAP. It's toast. All disks come with a built-in set of spare sectors, which the firmware will automatically substitute for any sectors that go bad. If you get to the state where the OS is seeing bad blocks, it means the disk has run out of spare sectors. It's worn out. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB13802AEAC2BF98179D5F2FC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrmrE4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzdCACggD6To41866mnPgvY87F5vFv4 pjQAn3Hcpcn4YL2U5LZLSVuscg3WTgjW =J/KV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB13802AEAC2BF98179D5F2FC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 08:41:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5578106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f209.google.com (mail-bw0-f209.google.com [209.85.218.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643E28FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so3069398bwz.13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bkn71bje7JFz8a/wy4pw2xvXkZi3eIDNnJmIgsz8ruU=; b=wFyuy2mLFxWvbjsJVSkm/Bi9/IahG4V5UcYmi/Xeyh1myK5qwajuQ6r5Z+0+YNQ295 ECmQ3clnpl0V3C3DfhhQ3Q78lh86+aX6h05guEBljVANXxkKXNz8HBqOrM75+MVvWGcQ 7eir3JT16jfh+XwJyTGrBQ+dS54Vbo4Chy7lo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D8XM0i3tJbXfjv96v/LuYjYtAdQm7yswVgbQFIvK2Xnv4HwuRQEtiHzZ2q9jLPtnVx ccnObzhiLxWW8StcHNDwnikzc9gJZsTuU+oMcL53mBzwQFiqDIWiSbojxxN4tUelIS4X ehJWI1yJUTgAVaxmsruCub7T87LaY6G6YnSYw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.213 with SMTP id e21mr8763059bkd.34.1256632863164; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:41:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE6095F.4010904@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <54db43990910261048k8a5d644q2950d4d5e5cb3b01@mail.gmail.com> <4AE6095F.4010904@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:40:43 +0000 Message-ID: To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Bob Johnson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk vs Disc (was: WD External Disc Drive) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:05 -0000 2009/10/26 Matthew Seaman : > Chris Rees wrote: > >> I have always considered hard disk, floppy diskette, and compact disc >> (and digital versatile disc) to be the terminology; but then again the >> official British spelling is disc, whereas AFAICR the US spelling is >> disk. > > The official British spelling is whichever one of disc or disk takes your > fancy at the time. =A0Very few people actually care one way or the other. > On 26 Oct 2009 20:41, Matthew Seaman wrot= e: > Chris Rees wrote: > > > > >> I have always considered hard disk, floppy diskette, and compact disc >> >> (and digital versatile disc) to be the terminology; but then again the >> >> official British spelling is disc, whereas AFAICR the US spelling is >> >> disk. > > > > > The official British spelling is whichever one of disc or disk takes your > > fancy at the time. Very few people actually care one way or the other. > > I was just reading what I saw in Wiktionary in the entry for disc: "disk mainly US, or for magnetic media" So disk refers to hard drive and floppy (magnetic), but vinyl (grooves) and CDs / DVDs (optical) are discs. >From the entry for Disk: In International English, disk is the correct spelling for magnetic disks. If the medium is optical, the variant disc is usually preferred, although computing is a peculiar field for the term. For instance hard disk and other disk drives are always thusly spelled, yet so are terms like compact discs. Thus, if referring to a physical drive or older media (3" or 5.25" diskettes) the k is used, but c is used for newer (optical based) media. Depends how authoritative you consider wiktionary, really. Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 09:13:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CD21065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D2558FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1976 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 09:13:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UEDqJ+FRvyDpYE3HAmZxmPHjtxLEWNwfXXAj2dDXnqLs1R018otI/sslcG+KiMKoUbWB73FTKDvckaftYISOybKsF1Fg8J6Tfm5LIvNqVWfz4DRKtPoWp4XBlyBf9M6p+ISEbTLoOrnCWyh5jcgotkjawAEZsDJZwZfn4Ac+zkg= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp102.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 02:13:53 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: tlM7kzIVM1kLdhFoIHF86VrDoj2CY.0PhpcsEVUJySS9YBloHSRqYXxjeYjoipRqM43DFr6G45pkeeKZi1bRDqUFw6GBCooxSWg7X1wb.Nx8DvHfx4p9w08QvFMvWG4BfNoS7zKB61GLAQu4O.7fC1461HsJeMvRcUhhWRf7CZDwcBnVAEkCXwUb_a1d6_VAnk6VqRMJqsi1agFEj_5pWG1Tn6lgcdOGC.GdAIbMuJYBAG.XyDhjvT2sIwEhEqFSu.Dkoc3XVaqrp29xbFQqrHL82Fm9Fj62fba_Mz2iLlhWB5xat4Ez7UWBLlFxA7klYWyGqNuS5AZJBIfxx0msXTTiVFqT8E81ogSh3Vukhgxnlzwt1187SrCme1t9soqm0h5E6F0gmZu_hQo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A57C622848 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:13:52 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:13:54 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:30 -0400 PJ PJ replied: >Thank you very much Herbert, > >I appreciate your input. >As I wrote in my original query, I had auccessfully installed the >lilnux-flashplugin9 on FreeBSD 7.2 both on a 64 bit portable _ Acer >Travelmate 4400 - and on a couple of disks on the same machine (i386). >I followed the instructions from >http://crnl.org/blog/2008/11/01/flash-9-for-freebsd-71#comment-form > > upgrade FreeBSD. Once that's done the rest is straight forward. > > Step 1: Enable Linux compatibility and linprocfs > Add linux_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf. Add >compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to /etc/sysctl.conf. Add >OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=f8 to /etc/make.conf. Add this line >to /etc/fstab: > linproc /usr/compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0 > Then run these commands: > mkdir -p /usr/compat/linux/proc >mount /usr/compat/linux/proc >/etc/rc.d/abi start >/etc/rc.d/sysctl start > Step 2: Update ports and install all the needed software > You will now need to install the following ports and their >dependencies: > cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base-f8 && make install clean >cd /usr/ports/www/linux-flashplugin9 && make install clean >cd /usr/ports/www/nspluginwrapper && make install clean > Follow the nspluginwrapper instructions to enable all >available plugins: > # nspluginwrapper -v -a -i >Auto-install plugins from /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins >Looking for plugins in /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins >Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin >Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin >Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so >into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so >Auto-install plugins from /root/.mozilla/plugins >Looking for plugins in /root/.mozilla/plugins > Restart or open Firefox 3 and enter about:plugins into your >address bar. You should see something like the following: > > And that's it! Open your favourite Flash site and all > should >work. > If your browser doesn't register the Shockwave Flash plugin >as pictured above, you might need to do a bit of extra work as I had to >do on one of my machines: > cd /usr/local/lib/firefox3/plugins && ln -s >/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so >npwrapper.libflashplayer.so > I'm not sure why one of my machines needed this, but it >might happen to you so this is just a heads up. > Update: I have learned that the change with the plugin >directory is due to a change in FreeBSD's Firefox 3 port. If you're >running port version 3.0.1_1 or later you will need to use the new >plugin directory as shown above. CVS change history can be seen here. > Enjoy! That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Nuclear war would really set back cable. Ted Turner From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 09:16:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2051065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com (mail-fx0-f210.google.com [209.85.220.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D728FC0A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so11982518fxm.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=2HvjV94GoPpl86YV0Z9wk9aTeMuU01j/9sGZjBzII2c=; b=JsjvQtSBIX001HJA8dhq6E7DR+dffqjqDSwnkqOhfxwMYGz8dWiZWJBlAh6BAIEgq+ /oTPdnwpi3uRLAxXqqLiaFqMmA+CvbaLXBxUFQ2IkVzGmLNX0CrRjLLCKss8od/8C0VQ lohtprD0cIt1qhFSZk68yWfdl4XOrQNrECv0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=si4F1kNV9RC9daQwDtmk1jhFferdJgq9gRqieQ1fmCMKHMdyIojGKyB5I0vin+9rjL B51i4NK9R29zdP4V7cBoAMrZPxP6rqFk9rnMq0ZzruNbF+iAVhCjyWwK0WLem+432cNO 2H7jU923LUbg1gIa7a37mPXo8bKVwJhHGFrKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.32.213 with SMTP id e21mr8803976bkd.34.1256634994122; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:16:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:35 -0000 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>> >>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>> >>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >> >> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? > > The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. > Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... I really don't think configuring it properly is difficult. As you kindly cut out of Jonathan's post when you replied to it, "Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it!" [1] Chris [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg223489.html -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 09:23:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F81065679 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:23:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B98898FC1A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62585 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 09:23:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P8fjyx7pN5Z8XEQzU/2i4BCSYiF7YfpbKrdoBPUSRk0nuYfCH8juOqOl33wYDzFOGLQX4bgXm40AHos4VZf1hXisiuqr0HDS9g0NDhUTMr/kZvkqUSwPbFl/5Z78oAoyL3YtQEcSzu2L4ogUVif3LDWnwgzxs4YMzJfuohLX21Y= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp104.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 02:23:36 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: RhmFWCsVM1nk9cdCVeaJ.nVk0m0Bsn6RQMPJ52SjWPU03YI4n0dMuo1xEyJhBdFCBvUCNtCiFbGiE4rY7GWuwprMkIMmgNQvCxIx._vU77UJSFJWiMApGZ8nxQl90KxYryHWjTVj.qkOfzEp4k5AbnljVqjSic4pvM5Hb6eoBn4pCMQYjNhWQP3mMJgK0cJ5XqvNc.flUF57b.TGG4b5RGOKsk.n59tyn.RFxSDLMGkdhz2B4PrbZLimv7fl1eOKwNUxF6jc4rerOAfxpIUH9ghUnIblxFKQgW3PldCVmGivAWs.tifBt9_PI9jA0KFZuzB7rKftngcPLy5D_rK5dfrwt29_wAp7Q9agZwxhY_E2mZOt8.Uw7.TG X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C56322848 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:23:35 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027052335.65cae6b8@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <4AE6AC47.9070800@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4AE6AC47.9070800@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:23:38 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:16:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman replied: >Gr_newald Micha_l wrote: >> Dear list, >> >> after an incorrect power-off of my FreeBSD system, it does not boot >> any more, BTX stops even before showing the cute beastie menu. >> Starting the machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is >> installed on has bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to >> recover from this, if possible. >> >> Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with >> bad-sectors, or can I continue using it? >> >> The Linux system I use to diagnose this says: >> >> hdb: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady >> SeekComplete Error } >> hdb: media error (bad sector): error=0x30 { LastFailedSense=0x03 } >> ... >> Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 1663200 >> >> etc. >> >> Since I use computers (1992) these are my first bad sectors :) (on >> hard drives, taking floppies into account is no fun!). I hence have >> several questions: >> -- is it possible to let these sectors? >> -- to which extents a hard-drive with bad sectors is usable? >> -- while the apparition of these bad sectors coincide with an >> incorrect power-off, are the two events related? The machine >> suffered plenty improper power-offs (or many), in the last years and >> did not react so badly! > >Yes. Back up your data and replace that disk ASAP. It's toast. > >All disks come with a built-in set of spare sectors, which the firmware >will automatically substitute for any sectors that go bad. If you get >to the state where the OS is seeing bad blocks, it means the disk has >run out of spare sectors. It's worn out. A friend of mine had a lap-top that exhibited similar behavior. After trying the usual methods, he used SpinRite at its highest level on the disk. It ran for 97 hours; however, when completed, the disk worked like new. While replacing the drive is certainly a good idea, if you need information on it that you cannot otherwise extract, you might want to try another method. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Never pay a compliment as if expecting a receipt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 09:32:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD66106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CF38FC18 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so2645335eyd.9 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Y9/mGuK5NHDiCViD2kNdlqSuOZ9gwwUNmbmr2GBf6yM=; b=JV39HLaG7u4du3kZQ7w6OfoW2dvJkkUbu9ks165mde+UqCki5Pa7bQ1/HKMgyv0HqW 6Ms5C2TftAZhiGAgLxMNU8ZJXPd7DuT0GBVde0YA/ziLZ5ubuEwl6STPxyf0htUwbciD G1KKYJ1/gRY79c0GGotgmoAghMMMSKvlMTOYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=vrRG2Y54SyCx+ehpUBLBRTmq2x/w330HV0kgk8xOcLSWbJhv6BUxLE71N8B3/EvKUA e8l/S7W0g1HbWkinqa2UeI7peX6urGvcPD6/M5p/Oq9zdOm8n7AA8kfpaApivWb3PA4x BHDwzOZr/MKMc/nD7B2o+Pqxm8V6R2RyCUPvc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.196 with SMTP id e46mr705956wef.194.1256635934821; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:16 -0000 >It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > >How many people actually use it? Very few. >Why isn't it moved to ports? Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers are happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that sendmail will be removed soon. But there's nothing to prevent you from disabling it in rc.conf(5): sendmail_enable="NONE" and replacing it's administrative use with local logs in periodic.conf(5), by adding, for example: daily_output="/var/log/daily.log" daily_clean_hoststat_enable="NO" daily_status_mailq_enable="NO" daily_status_include_submit_mailq="NO" daily_status_mail_rejects_enable="NO" daily_queuerun_enable="NO" daily_submit_queuerun="NO" daily_status_security_output="/var/log/daily.log" weekly_output="/var/log/weekly.log" monthly_output="/var/log/monthly.log" . (Or you can use another MTA instead.) You can also go one step farther: if you have the system sources available, you can rip sendmail out of the base system and avoid building and installing it again by using either WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes or WITHOUT_MAIL=yes in src.conf(5), then running 'make delete-old' and 'make delete-old-libs' in /usr/src, and finally removing any leftover associated files by hand. (find(1) can be used with the appropriate flags to check for stale files or empty directories in the base system directories immediately after a fresh install in order to help locate such leftover files. A warning: use of the more drastic WITHOUT_MAIL option can remove /usr/bin/fmt, which is used unconditionally by some src targets. So you may need to install fmt by hand, or patch the src Makefiles so that fmt isn't used.) All this doesn't take very long, and doesn't need to be done all that often on an existing system, so the presence of sendmail in the base system shouldn't worry you too much, even if you don't want to use it on your system(s). b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 11:28:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24FE106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E98D8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so9904eyd.9 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:28:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QfPK5AQywhSrTT2AjXy3/p88987p2BSfkl/+v89yqGI=; b=Il2fccYWgz0qkrFQCezrzfjGBxPSpcj8Somy5Q4B59DSd3asPfmX1gi37Wxq6uB8aR wDPwXJb0udg30FH5D6vpfGVNEFc01M5pixifg6KHub3113oRZij5fqBjwVea3+AUUscZ I8TpIz/5Y/GzTLc5N+OMMCqsUhzAfBQjLDUKI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=t/EnxeXEeVow2CoTZR/Yd1Ku8PVxJf8xVsYd5sdIwW9WQtH5DeAmasuEVSFMUs2VLs HUG9eSr/OVtak4g1+rsGwjcV97VtzsOvOHeHe2GERY0wVi4G9oOo0Em5cJBwQ7KARWjS gwtlFJFgYToCqSF9eUc2d6JNRyMOVdW4zh0PA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.137 with SMTP id a9mr5366435wef.119.1256642931372; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Scott Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:52 -0000 Scott Bennet wrote: There haven't been much changes in the infrastructure of these two ports recently, so any problems are probably arising from changes in the distfiles, or problems in your base system or the ports that are used to build and install lang/gcc4X. > >=3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies >=3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency list for lang/gcc43 from ports >=3D=3D=3D>>> Starting dependency check >=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: converters/libiconv >=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: math/libgmp4 >=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: math/mpfr >=3D=3D=3D>>> Dependency check complete for lang/gcc43 > >/bin/rm -f /usr/local/man/man7/fsf-funding.7 /usr/local/man/man7/gfdl.7 /= usr/local/man/man7/gpl.7 Something is very wrong here. portmaster should now be running 'make install', but the build transcript shows messages of the post-install target first, and then messages of the do-install target afterwards. Obviously this is going to lead to problems if it represents the true order in which commands were executed. Did you mangle the transcript, or does it faithfully represent the order in which things occurred? If the latter, are you running a parallel build? If so, don't. Try starting from scratch, using only a single make job at any given time. Start from a clean WRKDIR, and remove portmaster from consideration, by using a simple 'make deinstall clean install' (backup your existing lang/gcc4X installation first if you so desire with 'pkg_create -b'.) What happens? b. >install-info --quiet /usr/local/info/gcc43/cpp.info /usr/local/info/dir >install-info: No such file or directory for /usr/local/info/gcc43/cpp.info >*** Error code 1 >/bin/rm -f /usr/local/lib/gcc43/*.la ># Add target libraries and include files to packaging list. >/bin/rm -f /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d lib/gcc43 ]; then /usr/bin/find lib/gcc43 -type f= -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find lib/gcc4= 3 -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/usr/port= s/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d libexec/gcc43 ]; then /usr/bin/find libexec/gcc43= -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find = libexec/gcc43 -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g'= >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/gcj ]; then /usr/bin/find include/gcj -ty= pe f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find incl= ude/gcj -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/us= r/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/gnu ]; then /usr/bin/find include/gnu -ty= pe f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find incl= ude/gnu -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>/us= r/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/java ]; then /usr/bin/find include/java -= type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find in= clude/java -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g' >>= /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/local ; if [ -d include/javax ]; then /usr/bin/find include/javax= -type f -o -type l >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; /usr/bin/find = include/javax -type d | /usr/bin/sort -r | /usr/bin/sed -e 's/^/@dirrm /g'= >>/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/PLIST.lib ; fi >cd /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work ; /usr/bin/sed -i -e "/PLIST.lib/ r PLIST.li= b" /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/.PLIST.mktmp >sed: /usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/.PLIST.mktmp: No such file or directory >*** Error code 1 >gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' >/bin/sh ./../gcc-4.3-20091004/mkinstalldirs /usr/local /usr/local >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libdecnumbe= r' >gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'. >gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libdecnumber= ' >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/intl' >gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `install'. >gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/intl' >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/fixincludes= ' >rm -rf /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-= tools >/bin/sh .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/l= ibexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools >mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43 >mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc >mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 >mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5 >mkdir /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-t= ools >/bin/sh .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/l= ib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/include >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43 >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbl= d-freebsd7.2/libstdc++-v3' >Making install in include >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2 >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5 >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools >mkdir /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools= /include >install -o root -g wheel -m 444 .././../gcc-4.3-20091004/fixincludes/READ= ME-fixinc \ > /usr/local/lib/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-t= ools/include/README >install -o root -g wheel -m 555 fixinc.sh /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i3= 86-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/install-tools/fixinc.sh >install -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 fixincl \ > /usr/local/libexec/gcc43/gcc/i386-portbld-freebsd7.2/4.3.5/insta= ll-tools/fixincl >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libiberty' >gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/libcpp' > > [many, many non-problematic messages omitted --SB] > >install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/= java/net/PlainSocketImpl$SocketOutputStream.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include= /c++//gnu/java/net/ >install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/= java/nio/PipeImpl$SinkChannelImpl.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include/c++//gnu/= java/nio/ >install -o root -g wheel -m 444 ../.././../gcc-4.3-20091004/libjava/'gnu/= java/nio/PipeImpl$SourceChannelImpl.h' /usr/local/lib/gcc43/include/c++//gn= u/java/nio/ >gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld= -freebsd7.2/libjava' >gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld= -freebsd7.2/libjava' >gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/i386-portbld= -freebsd7.2/libjava' >gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' >2 errors > >=3D=3D=3D>>> A backup package for gcc-4.3.5.20090913 should > be located in /usr/ports/packages/portmaster-backup > >=3D=3D=3D>>> Installation of gcc-4.3.5.20091004 (lang/gcc43) failed >=3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update > >=3D=3D=3D>>> Update for gcc-4.3.5.20090913 failed >=3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 11:53:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8081065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4808FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id LFD31022; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 07:53:04 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19174.57119.123849.760108@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:53:03 -0400 To: Vaibhav Gavane In-Reply-To: <7576e2a20910270112h4e641e8cr70a5aecd6bf5eeeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> <7576e2a20910270112h4e641e8cr70a5aecd6bf5eeeb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd@t41t.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:47 -0000 Vaibhav Gavane writes: > Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) after investigating the "NO_PROFILE" option in /etc/make.conf. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:36:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D553F1065694 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917868FC15 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N2mCN-0006GO-NO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:34:55 +0100 Received: from pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.68.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:34:55 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:34:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:21 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <200910270808.n9R88vMU011842@mp.cs.niu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:36:32 -0000 Scott Bennett wrote: >>> Alexander Best wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: >>>> >>>>>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 >>>> >>>>>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>>>>> address. [snip] Perhaps the easiest direct solution is to bookmark https://permail.uni-muenster.de/ in the browser bookmarks instead of http://permail.uni-muenster.de/ -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:48:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2C4106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41BB8FC0C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9RDl30t080858; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:47:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9RDl2Bq080857; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:47:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:47:02 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20091027134702.GC80680@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> <4ae6a787.X5Dum/wMdLBm8KZM%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ae6a787.X5Dum/wMdLBm8KZM%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:55:51AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > > ... If you are refering to a kind of > > > > hard disk, use "disk" with k. Think like "diskette". If you > > > > are refering to optical media, use "disc" with c. Think like > > > > "CD = compact disc". > > > > > > An arbitrary convention adopted by you and a few other people > > > does not invalidate the dictionary spellings and usage. > > Am I the only one who is finding the longevity of this bikeshed a > bit disk-gusting? Ah, in the throes of a bad economy, so we can't afford an over-priced movie or exhorbitant concert tickets, we need some sort of entertainment. Bikesheds are cheap. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:51:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D962106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B4958FC14 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27292 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2009 13:51:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256651486; bh=vkxzA+aQu6VOgWKMaVLoGYETfK+U4JIlsjEwXziRGZM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b4evzRxx0z1QnqFyPyC8xX3rLmavrCam/vf6k1+JhC2QrbTqyJzGXOcVBHTBo/DOYouvTVhxcYtD1s/E82kzQGuWso35vzhtj7t2tZpktDf/sW4DTkFC7WcRguKQt9QZyxp7uL3Y7dq9m23Uw3Xdj37VJiy7EfDfA6bRZ4HKglM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4NRUpapkvhz1cMy5z6ezztOo3fkdnO6oc3EPYvSRq5UcA5FTzZ8SHXmu81uGOprNj7wdrLdJQfGCrWwJKUSnprmXQFpHTCsyOcIE7WH+fgGzdav2Hrd8eaZ9UkL2lsZayw1sj75oY3v3A8Pss0WLSWGRTH5alG+Ed4muc/RugJg=; Message-ID: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: x25PL8EVM1mk1TwrPBeFHGJt5mEOe34bD.2a_IxtdMbfQx8g3376YnMpQgPmcV3t6w8_uhxVMMqD.Pod0jnuh.KPvbz7YZ0MFgoS8cqV.N7aPZ0RrWTRBm7G5sRxp9ak_nLVqU3R2.7l2bXdU2OOwc2DctQzGc5zsTt53bZHN1IG2ttgPbMMZvRdn.Sq565tPPJz98IqAUKgSrBns3HfGwv7Qra8dgrgq5YM.XK.IQ85s_SeteNTrzUGZUg.E8jUhqoX8LJXz2gVxe2Qi9zy2XfUa4fUVLD30BtjAozTBIEu1dTCK51pxIbFJPxgKQU3djPzn9SfWxD3sG.ASdcV2Wc0v0tmQuPUk_8xX1_jJ5W2.JDNuYZ1y4NayVk- Received: from [213.157.180.252] by web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: PPPoE client+pf+nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:51:27 -0000 Hello,=0A=0AI am looking to configure my FreeBSD 8.0 machine for the purpos= e specified in the subject.=0ALet's say I have two NICs in my PC: ext_if (f= or wan/pppoe connection) and int_if for my LAN.=0AHow would you manage to g= et work NAT with pf using PPPoE from my ISP; I'd like to use DHCP on my LAN= .=0A=0AThank you for you ideas!=0ALaci=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:54:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E6B106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul.halliday@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D878FC18 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so729890gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:54:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fwg+/nvbf6FzlhiQy/KuLQY8XBU86YnJTHptlKBlhsM=; b=GS+j4ylpUEjZkseG6lKU6Omix1u1v8X8QRR1oTLpYEfxEv19g0fxrZYVkKLddCQ11B wdqLigE2oRqQQMp0+m5vmR1jZoFuWN1S9zexXf0+2ckpoHrhq3M5nSJr4je2FeMBEwD9 roPxyWpApN7nwVvtuqEtXnS/fmPG39bRl/a7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=X7nKq/yaDsSeN5dk79ShY6453r7ApQzcm1n3TaNG1HE56Da7Ijy6/mBJLTS7xIsSN2 G+xkZTasUis/LyRlmVg8k8aWEvr+XPeZ1+IW0tT5rfx3s0MNwYtwyac3fVisN929ARBl 6FpX2I9GF1lSabgbjLJu7I6xo9TG3lqx4kb6Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.17.5 with SMTP id 5mr97585ybq.195.1256651675898; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:54:35 -0300 Message-ID: <2dab70a30910270654j79c3627bp2f2af88894dce2f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Paul Halliday To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for troubleshooting tips. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:54:37 -0000 I shift deleted my inbox and lost all of the original replies :( anyway... I have another sensor that just started to exhibit this same behavior. This time though, I have some more info: swap_pager_getswapspace(4): failed swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed swap_pager_getswapspace(2): failed pid 75157 (flow-report), uid 1001, was killed: out of swap space What made me notice this time was the zabbix (http://www.zabbix.com/) agent on this host kept bumping online/offline. So it looks like we are loaded enough to affect other processes as well. Is this just a matter of adding more ram? Or do I increase the swap space? Or is there another issue here; I have never ran out of swap space before? Thanks. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Paul Halliday wrote: > I use Freebsd as the base for my network monitoring sensors. These > machines run a netflow probe, act as a netflow collector and spool > full content data from a snort process FIFO that is bound to a span > port. During peak hours this can be 100MB saturated, its connected to > a GB intel NIC on the box (there is a separate uplink). > > In the background numerous little scripts run to produce summary data. > The basic template for these systems has been the same for the past 4 > years and things have worked great. Recently, one of these machines > started to become a little laggy and I can't seem to identify the > issue. > > This system has always seen a lot of packet loss, I expect this though > as it is a busy site but this has never affected its performance. Can > an overloaded NIC cause serious performance issues like those I am > seeing? > > This is a recent top: > > last pid: 98870; load averages: 1.54, 1.41, 1.31 up 1+01:57:10 > 11:50:24 > 142 processes: 2 running, 139 sleeping, 1 zombie > CPU states: 30.9% user, 0.0% nice, 15.0% system, 1.7% interrupt, 52.4% > idle > Mem: 450M Active, 328M Inact, 168M Wired, 33M Cache, 110M Buf, 3700K Free > Swap: 2048M Total, 5112K Used, 2043M Free > > 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 UTC 2008 > > To be honest, I don't know which counters are important. Is there > anything specific I should be concentrating on to determine the cause? > > Thanks. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:55:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8D7106568F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9995E8FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E713DBE0; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:55:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9RDtQjl001983; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:55:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:55:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Malcolm Kay Message-Id: <20091027145526.e3a2bbec.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:55:29 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:27:23 +1030, Malcolm Kay wrote: > An arbitrary convention adopted by you and a few other people > does not invalidate the dictionary spellings and usage. As I mentioned before, the (hard) disk vs. (optical) disc differentiation seems to be quite german-specific, allthough older IBM material of the mainframe era refers to "disks" when talking about DASD, and "disk packs" in general. The topic "External Disc Drive" would, according to what I have learned, usually refer to an external CD or DVD drive, while an "external disk drive", or more precise an "external hard disk drive" would describe a hard disk. > My Australian (Macquarie) dictionary gives the spelling in all > cases as "disc" but recognises "disk" as a chiefly US variant. > My Conscise Oxford (English) dictionary simply gives the two > spellings as alternatives but states that "disk" is the better. > My Webster's (American) gives the two forms as alternatives > without suggesting any preference. Of course different editions > of the dictionaries may give slightly different slants but are > most unlikely to actually contradict these possibly earlier > views. That's interesting to know. I like to learn new things from this list, even when it's about correct spelling. > I find your distinctions arbitrary and quite inappropriate; > again not meaning to sound impolite. I have to apologize that I grew up in my "IT career" with exactly the interpretation I mentioned. Furthermore, it seems to be very common in Germany, as well as the usage of "disk" for any kind of hard disk, as illustrated by the FreeBSD handbook. > So, each to his/her own > usage but please do not be critical of those of us not > conforming to your arbirary conventions. Malcolm, I will keep this in mind. As soon as someone asks questions about "/etc folders" and "IDE controllers", I will be back. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 13:57:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF271065679 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2D38FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9953CDF0; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9RDv8LW001987; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Malcolm Kay Message-Id: <20091027145708.f2a09a86.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> References: <20091026110905.f802174a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200910271527.23227.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> <200910271621.37761.malcolm.kay@internode.on.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rob1940@gmail.com Subject: Re: WD External Disc Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:57:10 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:37 +1030, Malcolm Kay wrote: > Further, > > If we look at some acronyms associated with optical media we > have: > CD -> Compact Disc > DVD -> Digital Video Disc > but: > UDF -> Universal Disk Format (The file system frequently used on > CDs and DVDs) > So there is no consistency here! Again, you're correct, there seems to be some preferred, but not generally standardized use of "disk" and "disc". Maybe we need "fdisc" someday. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:01:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8441F106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robin@reportlab.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E598FC18 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so169458ewy.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.211.161.39 with SMTP id n39mr11700061ebo.29.1256652066066; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (host-82-44-127-245.static.telewest.net [82.44.127.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm75774eyb.8.2009.10.27.07.01.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE6FD20.7070806@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:01:04 +0000 From: Robin Becker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: binary upgrade 6.1 - 7.2/8.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:01:07 -0000 Is it feasible to upgrade a system from 6.1 to 7.2 or 8.0-RC1 and if yes what sequence of upgrades should I actually carry out ie is it feasible to do 6.1-6.2 and then 6.2 - 7.2 or should it be done in small steps? -- Robin Becker From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:05:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E767A1065692 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3B08FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9RE3j2r080944; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9RE3jpJ080943; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:03:45 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCnewald_Micha=EBl?= Message-ID: <20091027140345.GD80680@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:11 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:31:18AM +0100, Grnewald Michal wrote: > Dear list, > > after an incorrect power-off of my FreeBSD system, it does not boot > any more, BTX stops even before showing the cute beastie menu. > Starting the machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is > installed on has bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to > recover from this, if possible. > > Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with bad- > sectors, or can I continue using it? > > The Linux system I use to diagnose this says: > > hdb: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady > SeekComplete Error } > hdb: media error (bad sector): error=0x30 { LastFailedSense=0x03 } > ... > Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 1663200 > > etc. > > Since I use computers (1992) these are my first bad sectors :) (on > hard drives, taking floppies into account is no fun!). I hence have > several questions: > -- is it possible to let these sectors? > -- to which extents a hard-drive with bad sectors is usable? > -- while the apparition of these bad sectors coincide with an > incorrect power-off, are the two events related? The machine suffered > plenty improper power-offs (or many), in the last years and did not > react so badly! If a disk begins to have actual bad sectors - ones that cannot be written and/or read then it is likely that the problem will progress and soon the disk will be unusable. All modern disk drives have built in remapping of bad sectors and you will normally not see any error messages until so many sectors go bad that it runs out of spare ones. So, it should replaced. But your situation makes it just a little more difficult to make this broad generalization. In this case, it might just be that the power outage came at a bad time and in a bad place so it caused a couple of essential sectors to be incorrectly written. If it was in an inode or a superblock it could make it unusuable, but possible to recover, at least everything but the bad ones. You can use an alternate superblock. This incorrect writing due to a power loss is actually not very likely, but could happen. Anyway, in that case, if you could get what you need off the disk, you could then just reformat/renewfs it, load stuff back up and go back to using it. So, study up on recovering data by using an alternate superblock and see what you can find out. If you rebuild it and it continues to put out bad sector messages, then discard it. Since disk is relatively cheap nowdays, it might be more worth your time to just get another one and start over anyway. Probably able to get a much larger capacity disk that way too. Good luck and have fun, ////jerry > -- > Thank you in advance for your advices, > Michal_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:05:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB46410656A3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A678FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B4C3CB3E; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:05:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9RE5JB1002031; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:05:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:05:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCnewald_Micha=EBl?= Message-Id: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:21 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:31:18 +0100, Gr=FCnewald Micha=EBl wrote: > Starting the machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is =20 > installed on has bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to =20 > recover from this, if possible. If there's data on the disk you want to get back, first make a dd copy of the drive or the partition in question. Use an accurately working disk as the target. In case of bad sectors, you should maybe try dd_rescue and ddrescue because they can handle bad sectors often better than the common dd. You'll find them in the ports. After you got your dd copy, work with that for recovery. Do not use the defective disk anymore, only if you messed up the dd copy. A command would look like this: # ddrescue -d -r 3 -n /dev/ad1s1f ads1f.dd ddrescue.log The result is an image of the partition that you can then mount again. # mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 10 -f ad1s1f.dd # mount -o ro /dev/md10 /mnt If the file system isn't intact anymore, there are other tools that may be able to help you, such as recoverdisk, ffs2recov, magicrescue, testdisk, scan_ffs, recoverjpeg, photorec and finally + ultimately, The Sleuth Kit (fls, dls, ils etc.). > Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with bad-=20 > sectors, or can I continue using it? Discard it. Hard disks are cheap today, and bad sectors may have the habit to multiply. Don't take that risk. BUT: Discard it when you got all your important data off the disk. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:23:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EAD1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com (mail-pz0-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5435E8FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so133761pzk.28 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RMX0iJHcHfSKAdXKqI1rIEJlnQNIvKaLHYB/wrrb84U=; b=mD/s024FRst20C95z6PoirV0kR6Pa042GT9nQAyRHALhcjTDu2kwh9UPMe7f6rjUXf TmCBz9Fi+uy1NiRcxs3zfjyOkbnTNrvBJfexg6NKz80Wt261Cyiuf0yIK+U+OrLMDBlD tKVgQ4IpHGZs+hFQa5gZuxeUs9ZwEO/iD/Gnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=OPeTs4HiRNKkrMnsQbKFNRnIMFJFmGhoWOIVYulusTj6I0xc6d3GD3LtXv0EAX97Yb 3nlan30ICEJ7NI0vIxjFQ+cMEus74knHA5PV8+rZGfDfjWdTtBHbTnGVQxC+j/AA5PUS 4JMbRUNHWHYcipNUedwyF5FpJPEvjYaTdAfyk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.7.39 with SMTP id 39mr1334690wfg.113.1256653379202; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2dab70a30910270654j79c3627bp2f2af88894dce2f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dab70a30910270654j79c3627bp2f2af88894dce2f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:22:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910270722h78abc53dneac85ce29553e3bf@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Paul Halliday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for troubleshooting tips. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:23:02 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Paul Halliday wrote: > I shift deleted my inbox and lost all of the original replies :( > > anyway... I have another sensor that just started to exhibit this same > behavior. This time though, I have some more info: > > swap_pager_getswapspace(4): failed > swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed > swap_pager_getswapspace(16): failed > swap_pager_getswapspace(2): failed > pid 75157 (flow-report), uid 1001, was killed: out of swap space > > What made me notice this time was the zabbix (http://www.zabbix.com/) > agent on this host kept bumping online/offline. So it looks like we > are loaded enough to affect other processes as well. > > Is this just a matter of adding more ram? 1. This is what I would do provided 3 is explored appropriately > Or do I increase the swap space? 2. This works too, but keep in mind swap space is orders of magnitude slower than RAM. > Or is there another issue here; I have never ran out of swap space before? > 3. Could be a runaway process/memory leaking consuming all available resources. If that is the case 1 and 2 won't help so check this out first. > > Thanks. > Please don't top-post. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:26:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AC8106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE4B8FC31 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so193235ewy.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2+FDZ0iZO3nlz6FVjPnHKyLiCM7+jfZ9Rg54BAVO+XA=; b=IslnmQn/J2uOBRRCtt6cxqjl20LQebsj57rBAZbUm/4CryOZGM+puxrzeRJv/50G6q /VY302gJJioFAj+UwrEqfA88pxRJBNlH9VwN8oWuZEUHPDci8t1fJq9BasPoZbsmfZM9 YxmsF6+D7bZ+KNkKTnxFbFUVvWEwCbl2jjjWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=llRF8omiA+d7XXgECwAsXwvW0ZDd5hws/xoHVYFoJzwygYYTBHE/wDbMJuMjzP90OU wdr3Yv3VgEHSvLkmoNXnbdfK9O65v0M02/HEA11JjgI0mL7vLlLYtFSwobLb24DiFOua /cc9e5EMK6hzkqUDJ4r3GsRlOlnUh4ymqzd6w= Received: by 10.210.60.19 with SMTP id i19mr1885673eba.61.1256653600510; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm127275eyg.41.2009.10.27.07.26.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:37 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027142637.68736491@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200910270144.n9R1iDAM037191@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:42 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:29:13 +0100 (CET) Alexander Best wrote: > i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the > point is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific > address in apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version > of that site is being loaded. That's internal to the application. > i'd like freebsd to take care of this > so even if the app is trying to access the non-ssl version it should > in fact be redirected to the ssl version by freebsd. Why not just use bookmarks? If you want to avoid unsecure connections to specific sites, you can do it with a firewall, or you can install a proxy (such as squid) and use ACLs. However some sites may not look quite the same due to insecure links to graphics etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:26:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DCC10656B6 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E700B8FC25 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881A43CB17; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:26:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9REQp99002189; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:26:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:26:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Message-Id: <20091027152651.6a2e336e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE client+pf+nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:26:53 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT), D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I am looking to configure my FreeBSD 8.0 machine for the purpose specifie= d in the subject. > Let's say I have two NICs in my PC: ext_if (for wan/pppoe connection) and= int_if for my LAN. > How would you manage to get work NAT with pf using PPPoE from my ISP; I'd= like to use DHCP on my LAN. It's quite easy, I did this in the past with FreeBSD 5. 1. PPPoE -------- Setup /etc/ppp/ppp.conf with the correct data for your ISP. It woule be like this: : set device PPPoE: set authname set authkey set dial set login add default HISADDR In /etc/rc.conf, enter ifconfig_=3D"up" ppp_enable=3D"YES" ppp_profile=3D"" ppp_mode=3D"ddial" ppp_nat=3D"YES" for the external interface, and for the internal one: ifconfig_=3D"inet 192.168.100.1 netmask 0xffffff00" (or any other subnet definition you like) dhcpd_enable=3D"YES" dhcpd_conf=3D"/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" dhcpd_ifaces=3D"" dhcpd_flags=3D"-q" Keep in mind that you have to load netgraph_load=3D"YES" ng_ether_load=3D"YES" ng_pppoe_load=3D"YES" ng_socket_load=3D"YES" per /boot/loader.conf in order to enable the Netgraph subsystem. I think tho 2. PF ----- Sorry, I'm not familiar with PF, I always used IPFW. So I had the rule add divert natd ip from any to any via prior to the other rules that formed a setting to be described as: "Only allow those (named) ports for connections, disallow anything else." 3. DHCP ------- Install the ISC DHCP server from ports and configure the settings for the local network as intended. THis is usually done in /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf with a content like this: option domain-name-servers ; ddns-update-style none; subnet 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.100.2 192.168.100.250; option routers 192.168.100.1; } You can add "host" entries for "well-known" so they always get the same IP according to their MAC, and "deny unknown-clients;" to force MAC knowledge. Since I ran this setting in v5, kernel configuration required to have options DUMMYNET options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT in the file. I'm sure this is not needed anymore, because there are modules for this. Of course, you can include the options for NETGRAPH here, too. IMPORTANT NOTE: I'm not using such a setting anymore, so I'm not sure if this is still recommended or even working on v8. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 14:36:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41680106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:36:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85DC28FC13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Oct 2009 14:36:01 -0000 Received: from pD952D8A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO core2duo.local) [217.82.216.161] by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 15:36:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/PRCRaJGbPXFA27XzrA67sYro1D1auM0WEDkvg+h IvOltOClZPNGKC Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:35:58 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Message-Id: <20091027153558.a8a420b2.cyb.@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__27_Oct_2009_15_35_58_+0100_WcEebN+72TfRXXQk" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.59 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPPoE client+pf+nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:36:05 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__27_Oct_2009_15_35_58_+0100_WcEebN+72TfRXXQk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote: > Let's say I have two NICs in my PC: ext_if (for wan/pppoe connection) and= int_if for my LAN. > How would you manage to get work NAT with pf using PPPoE from my ISP As a start your pf.conf could look a bit like this: ##### ext_if =3D "tun0" int_if =3D "em1" localnet =3D $int_if:network set block-policy return set skip on lo0 scrub in all nat on $ext_if from $localnet to any -> ($ext_if) antispoof for ($ext_if) antispoof for $int_if block in log all pass inet from { lo0, $localnet } to any pass out on $ext_if all ##### Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 --Signature=_Tue__27_Oct_2009_15_35_58_+0100_WcEebN+72TfRXXQk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrnBVEACgkQ8P3NNypXNWUfEwCfQXl0ofDE1z+5Ng77e9kyrUlt eRcAn0l4OHK34AurrQSu1NvIOuxXNxTZ =AHIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__27_Oct_2009_15_35_58_+0100_WcEebN+72TfRXXQk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 15:17:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA70106568D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1138FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091027151708.SLVZ11920.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:17:08 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.251]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id xrH81c00J5RPd3404rH8Dx; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:17:08 -0400 X-VR-Score: -180.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o5TBFb14N70A:10 a=8c8-Wn2gAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=VwRYlZaZAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=x2m3GPe0AAAA:8 a=sksyj7Z5IMjdzI0EobAA:9 a=MDuKwJUABJVN-xFKassA:7 a=2ARKkT4Lk7fnxUzkZkup0_Q4p3MA:4 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=rAeSchFE-KUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=8IkZbWmJ_ZgA:10 a=VdtyGNM_9-lagjnF:21 a=UtlIyG09U3skaAmx:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:17:03 -0700 From: Robert To: das15@hushmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027081703.64072db8@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20091026192916.9E20511803D@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20091026192916.9E20511803D@smtp.hushmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: auto format and partion p.s. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:17:09 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:29:16 +1000 das15@hushmail.com wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > ps. > > is there a step by step document somwhere??? > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:50:16 +1000 Robert > wrote: > >On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:23:35 +1000 > >das15@hushmail.com wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> got the latest version of your os for 64 bit systems from > >osdisc.com > >> do you think you could throw in an auto install feauture that > >like > >> every other os on the market i dropped out of devry and i still > >> cant figure out what the installer is asking me to do. > > > >Perhaps you need to read the handbook found at freebsd.org > > > >or you can try pcbsd at http://www.pcbsd.org/ > > > >or you can wait until some one creates an auto install feature. > >That > >could be a very long time and you would be missing out on the best > >OS > >available. > > Please keep the list in all of your replies as there are many, many people who have a lot more knowledge that I do. I have added the list back in. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html This is about as step-by-step as you can get. It even has pictures of the screens you encounter. It is reached by clicking on "documentation" and then "handbook". It is also suggested that you read the entire handbook before starting the install. I started with FreeBSD about 5 or 6 years ago. I, too, had problems at first but instead of whining on the questions list, I read the manual and lurked on the mailing list. I have found that the people on this list are more than willing to help anyone as long as that person gives their best effort at learning. Those that choose to complain and compare FreeBSD to other OS's usually are ignored or told to go back to the OS that they feel is better. FreeBSD takes some time to get the feel of. If you choose to spend the time to become familiar with it you will be rewarded with an OS that allows you to do what you want. If you have specific questions when trying to install FreeBSD, then by all means ask on this list. Be sure to document what you have done, where the failure occurred and what you have tried. It is also recommended to include the information about the version of FreeBSD you are trying to install and some of your hardware specs. I sincerely hope this helps. I would like to welcome you to FreeBSD and I hope you find it as satisfying as I have. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. Just remember to include the list because I am wrong as often as I am right. :-) Robert P.S. The normal format for all of the FreeBSD list is to not top post. That is to either place all of you replies at the bottom or within the text where you are responding to a specific paragraph or statement. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 15:28:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89FD10656A4 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457168FC30 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so60775eyd.9 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:28:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MwtJpQPB8J4RTAsE4DRYru3aqvPdaj4IyrbAxrVdkY4=; b=V2rGtFEUPQVQS4d9cXk+V2tiy9DoXL4A8/oBsQGucpKnM43NVBZLL3p45smZxe+hFW TA6X/4UZk60nkbBrEdLYbi6n0SOBrsdBYDP7y1uTDxGMrNpqN2zJ5LyrUfHlAtJiyUHC 1/B9j6TIq2Yr3TZv0J+Pu88c3tz2dX/srJZ4Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TqwmbS1BgQfRhlOmqPTy+3Utdi6t9T2Q62q8E/DtKzo5u7pQtblTc11rFZB/or2deD VegUVOZ4O8qUM5wsABFPWMF4ZqtkKj7YODN0x8XS9k0eonr4KSSPzVx1MObqot6SFEkL hs8FH0rmgauJ65wV9oVw3Z68qBEOQqKDMY7vI= Received: by 10.210.2.19 with SMTP id 19mr3226197ebb.94.1256657294615; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm305079eyx.37.2009.10.27.08.28.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:06 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027152806.21af42f1@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744998.27248.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: PPPoE client+pf+nat X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:17 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:26 -0700 (PDT) D=E1nielisz L=E1szl=F3 wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I am looking to configure my FreeBSD 8.0 machine for the purpose > specified in the subject. Let's say I have two NICs in my PC: ext_if > (for wan/pppoe connection) and int_if for my LAN. How would you > manage to get work NAT with pf using PPPoE from my ISP; I'd like to > use DHCP on my LAN. PPPoE is documented in the handbook, I'd suggest you set that up first together with a simple pf firewall to secure the system. There are plenty of howtos for PF+NAT+DHCP.=20 I would suggest you also run a DNS cache so dhcp clients can be given a fixed private IP address instead of the ISP servers.=20 FWIW you may not actually need two NICs, if you have a modem/router with multiple ports you may be able to get away with PPPoE and your lan sharing the same NIC (your wan interface being tun0). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 15:41:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBFE1065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DEC8FC25 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP74 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s16.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:23 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [67.189.183.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([67.189.183.172]) by BLU0-SMTP74.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:41:22 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2BD222831 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:41:21 -0400 From: carmel_ny To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2009 15:41:23.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFBD3B10:01CA571B] Subject: Using bash with MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:41:24 -0000 I am in the process of writting a script that will use MySQL as a back end. For the most part, I have gotten things to work correctly. I am having one problem though. Assume a data base: database: MyDataBase table: MyTable field: defaults Now, I have populated the 'defaults' fields with the declare statements that I will use in the script. They are entered similar to this: declare -a MSRBL_LIST Now, I issue this from my bash script: SQL_USER=user # MySQL user SQL_PASSWORD=secret # MySQL password DB=MyDataBase # MySQL data base name HOST=127.0.0.1 # Server to connect to NO_COLUMN_NAME="--skip-column-names" COM_LINE="-u${SQL_USER} -p${SQL_PASSWORD} -h ${HOST} ${NO_COLUMN_NAME}" table=MyTable DECLARE_STATEMENTS=($(mysql ${COM_LINE} -i -e"use ${DB}; SELECT defaults FROM "${table}" WHERE 1;")) for (( i=0;i<${#DECLARE_STATEMENTS[*]};i++)); do echo ${DECLARE_STATEMENTS[i]} done This output is produced: declare -a MSRBL_LIST Obviously, I want the output on one line for each field. I have tried enclosing the variables with both single and double quote marks; however, that does not work. Fields that do not contain spaces are displayed correctly. Obviously, I am doing something really stupid here. I hope someone can assist me. I probably should ask this on the MySQL forum; however, I was hoping that someone here might be able to supply a remedy. -- Carmel carmel_ny@hotmail.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Fraud is the homage that force pays to reason. Charles Curtis, "A Commonplace Book" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 15:55:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A0B106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=5445b21a1=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FD98FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,633,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="19173644" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 10:44:08 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AEBE4EF49 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:44:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:44:07 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <7BC737846F940F8F5B4378C5@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:55:37 -0000 --On Tuesday, October 27, 2009 04:13:52 -0500 Jerry wrote: > > That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell > that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, > to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially > since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. > The problem is, it's not a simple plugin. It is on Windows. On FreeBSD it requires manipulation precisely because *there is no plugin* for FreeBSD. It's a Linux plugin being adapted to FreeBSD using linux emulation, which adds a layer of complexity that Windows doesn't have to deal with. Imagine trying to get a Mac executable to run on Windows, and maybe you can understand why flash has always been problematic on FreeBSD (although great progress has been made.) -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 16:18:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EC9106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDB78FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9RGI2gg086947 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:03 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9RGI2gg086947 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256660283; bh=+8U8OqpLhLwAz1jY+l1WV4UjB7VE0WKkIfeB+OLkGBk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE71D33.9000102@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2027=20Oct=202009=2016:17:55=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Us ing=20bash=20with=20MySQL|References:=20|In-Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"appli cation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigE47CC 8DE242624C28FD4867E"; b=1WZlyaRfu+7wDfDeohng6ISH+uxfn1C8pxSLhmK4vN7W+K1Ke/Dc0cG91EToT6KFR yDaVLxuGVSQyRiqSXzCj9HRdVmwrXZBrHBVnU380oEamuvhtZNKGFaQ2J4btc+SMMx n0UYbqbKr2XnD/XTQ/wB4cxM2NV2SoRZeIDCiBlU= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE71D33.9000102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:17:55 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE47CC8DE242624C28FD4867E" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Using bash with MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE47CC8DE242624C28FD4867E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable carmel_ny wrote: > I am in the process of writting a script that will use MySQL as a back > end. For the most part, I have gotten things to work correctly. I am > having one problem though. >=20 > Assume a data base: >=20 > database: MyDataBase > table: MyTable > field: defaults >=20 > Now, I have populated the 'defaults' fields with the declare > statements that I will use in the script. They are entered similar to > this: >=20 > declare -a MSRBL_LIST >=20 > Now, I issue this from my bash script: >=20 > SQL_USER=3Duser # MySQL user > SQL_PASSWORD=3Dsecret # MySQL password > DB=3DMyDataBase # MySQL data base name > HOST=3D127.0.0.1 # Server to connect to > NO_COLUMN_NAME=3D"--skip-column-names" > COM_LINE=3D"-u${SQL_USER} -p${SQL_PASSWORD} -h ${HOST} ${NO_COLUMN_NAME= }" > table=3DMyTable >=20 >=20 > DECLARE_STATEMENTS=3D($(mysql ${COM_LINE} -i -e"use ${DB}; SELECT defau= lts FROM "${table}" WHERE 1;")) >=20 > for (( i=3D0;i<${#DECLARE_STATEMENTS[*]};i++)); do > echo ${DECLARE_STATEMENTS[i]} > done >=20 > This output is produced: >=20 > declare > -a > MSRBL_LIST >=20 > Obviously, I want the output on one line for each field. I have tried > enclosing the variables with both single and double quote marks; > however, that does not work. Fields that do not contain spaces are > displayed correctly. >=20 > Obviously, I am doing something really stupid here. I hope someone can > assist me. I probably should ask this on the MySQL forum; however, I > was hoping that someone here might be able to supply a remedy. This loop is where it all goes horribly wrong: for (( i=3D0;i<${#DECLARE_STATEMENTS[*]};i++)); do echo ${DECLARE_STATEMENTS[i]} done In Posix shell, the intended functionality would be more usually coded li= ke this: IFS=3D$( echo ) for ds in $DECLARE_STATEMENTS ; do echo $ds done where $DECLARE_STATEMENTS is split on any characters present in $IFS -- the input field separators, here set to be just a newline character. (Yo= u don't have to use echo to do that; you can just put a literal newline bet= ween single quotes, but it's hard to tell all the different forms of whitespac= e apart if you're reading code snippets in an e-mail...) I suspect similar IFS trickery would work with bash, but I'm not familiar= with the array syntax stuff it uses. /bin/sh is perfectly capable for sh= ell programming and positively svelte when compared to bash and it's on every= FreeBSD machine ever installed, so why bother with anything else? 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([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm63833ywi.57.2009.10.27.10.43.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:43:45 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: > >It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > > >How many people actually use it? Very few. > >Why isn't it moved to ports? > > Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. > But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers are > happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that sendmail will be > removed soon. But there's nothing to prevent you from disabling it > in rc.conf(5): Or from switching to other BSDs in which the last word over an issue stands in the hands of reason .. and not in the hands of status quo ... which, by the way, never took any science a single step forwar, and on the contrary ... did everything it could to stop it ... because otherwise, there would be no status quo anymore or it will fall in the hands of others. > sendmail_enable="NONE" > > and replacing it's administrative use with local logs in > periodic.conf(5), by adding, for example: > > daily_output="/var/log/daily.log" > daily_clean_hoststat_enable="NO" > daily_status_mailq_enable="NO" > daily_status_include_submit_mailq="NO" > daily_status_mail_rejects_enable="NO" > daily_queuerun_enable="NO" > daily_submit_queuerun="NO" > daily_status_security_output="/var/log/daily.log" > weekly_output="/var/log/weekly.log" > monthly_output="/var/log/monthly.log" > > . (Or you can use another MTA instead.) You can also go one step > farther: if you have the system sources available, you can rip > sendmail out of the base system and avoid building and installing it > again by using either > > WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes > > or > > WITHOUT_MAIL=yes > > in src.conf(5), then running 'make delete-old' and 'make > delete-old-libs' in /usr/src, and finally removing any leftover > associated files by hand. (find(1) can be used with the appropriate > flags to check for stale files or empty directories in the base > system directories immediately after a fresh install in order to help > locate such leftover files. A warning: use of the more drastic > WITHOUT_MAIL option can remove /usr/bin/fmt, which is used > unconditionally by some src targets. So you may need to install fmt > by hand, or patch the src Makefiles so that fmt isn't used.) All > this doesn't take very long, and doesn't need to be done all that > often on an existing system, so the presence of sendmail in the base > system shouldn't worry you too much, even if you don't want to use it > on your system(s). > > b. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:03:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4F7106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19028FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so246113qyk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=UCDuyVNh1ARRbFWkWZWVSRt/9TUWmpo6y278KdyvfVY=; b=qVarAtSzga2DcpjGJZiZ9YtUEMDJECXsefy2nGhYNQxMs2YUJwFMl7r9qI5YKGe6y8 g2YVRBuIdhUGevYhfBUuiA1VcliQC4CrCwk2aY9PixHnueXWh1a/jR7WjxEwgvTPUW/1 Rxt66FcodAtu8FFdBm8M6PTTyd3I+X1N9jQd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=rrX32QZ5tyiyeKKEvUepP/XoyEUyUZsOXdM5+Wm13zOrFnbHGM54VbmH8vJpRWdBjz Pi/2eP0qfh7uYPtU4TJgLj2qvM2QKXKqnEin8UOGA740JnSMys8/1lC3svybbUnrQ9qM Sn6EOlkNwJ2KRDu+gOX1vVzOyu+N1B1pfteng= Received: by 10.224.96.81 with SMTP id g17mr8626825qan.265.1256666581301; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm72053ywf.20.2009.10.27.11.02.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:02:57 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270106.n9R16lGb095725@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200910270106.n9R16lGb095725@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271602.57596.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:03:03 -0000 On Monday 26 October 2009 11:06:47 pm Olivier Nicole wrote: > > How many people actually use it? Very few. > > Out of the 12 or 15 servers I run, only one do not use stock > sendmail: the mail server. So one out of twelve is rather quite a > lot... Let me get this .. are you saying that out of 12 server, 11 run sendmail as a local mailer and that the only server that runs a mail server (the one that conects to the outside world) uses "other" MTA? I'm asking honestly .. see, the OP question is really hard to answer ... It is a fact that every "default" install, and only a "default" install .. because sysinstall gives you the chance to install other MTAs, of FreeBSD install uses Sendmail .. but there's absolutely no relation between that and number of people who actually uses it as their mail server of choice to face the internet ... Of course every FreeBSD "default" install uses Sendmail as a local mailer, but that doesn't account for "How many people actually use it?" .. It only says that every FreeBSD "default" install uses Sendmail as a local mailer but no more than that :s Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:12:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C0A1065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC888FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so255490qyk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=uNulWjc4i5wdfRdA/62G0mocVtQbmLFCd4AE79InOrs=; b=Uy0BfxFSUB5+rgs13h+3AHMo81FTk++8e2BjaqpGURCnGfYhQJXSAsGd7yutlAbA5N 3q9TLp/oQhaTJkSfAhZ+uFxMH1V7sHoVtmlavwviA3bdHEDLTAOlRMfz1FGYatOsHOPA eK855N/FdfhMRe/krQ+p8Aqdl/+76iml7ryTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=ur5VHJfW2ugmDgtjVcwHlARgXzs/GHxWwwspv5l23hXaIh7Phm/qp2eWnRNQbpss2a jLEo0kRCSOKze2nuAGzEhgfcfI1ULZAeJ/EqME3t+A0GljMYuQLlu0edPHfiJ+q3nNkk s1OhqziyiVZh9lfbQpeYhaGIr7zVUJ+MIYC08= Received: by 10.224.117.12 with SMTP id o12mr8615533qaq.57.1256667119498; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm81584yxh.31.2009.10.27.11.11.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:11:55 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> In-Reply-To: <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271611.55864.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:12:00 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 5:16:30 am Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: > > It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > > > How many people actually use it? Very few. > > Why isn't it moved to ports? > > What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? Hard to tell .. and, personaly I wouldn't so hastly conclude that this concerns "anti-sendmail obsession", are but it seems to be spreading as a disease ... Linux distributions where the first to get it out of their default install in favor of Postfix, and the other BSDs .. well NetBSD uses Postfix, DragonflyBSD is working on moving to DMA and OpenBSD is working steadily and hard on OpenSMTPD ... Maybe they can tell .. > Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail > trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up > to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it! > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the > base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you > suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? No .. I think he is just asking "Why isn't it moved to ports?" and replaced by another mailer ... Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:17:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB941065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994488FC16 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57477EB4764; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:17:07 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BF4451B2; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:17:07 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bY0bBBZaTVCR; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:17:07 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE19450C6; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9RI08tY011553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9RI07bD011552; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gonzalo Nemmi References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> (Gonzalo Nemmi's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200") Message-ID: <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:17:09 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: >>>It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>> >>>How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to >>>ports? >> >> Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. >> But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers are >> happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that sendmail will be >> removed soon. But there's nothing to prevent you from disabling it >> in rc.conf(5): > > Or from switching to other BSDs in which the last word over an issue > stands in the hands of reason .. and not in the hands of status quo... > which, by the way, never took any science a single step forwar, and on > the contrary ... did everything it could to stop it ... because > otherwise, there would be no status quo anymore or it will fall in the > hands of others. This is precisely the reason why the `status quo' exists. Because people tend to get all political about this sort of thing, and that's exactly the point where the entire discussion goes downhill. First of all, there are ways to build a base system _WITHOUT_ any trace of Sendmail (the WITHOUT_SENDMAIL, WITHOUT_MAILWRAPPER and WITHOUT_MAIL) knobs. So it's not like FreeBSD stops anyone from removing Sendmail. Now, the rest of the comments about 'science' and 'moving forward' are not productive at all. If someone wants to move the particular thing forward there is a well-known _technical_ way of resolving this: - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base system of FreeBSD. - Update the manpages and documentation for $NEWMTA. - Submit the patches to the FreeBSD team for review. - Keep updating them as FreeBSD changes. - Maintain and keep the $NEWMTA in shape, by: + reimporting new releases + fixing any bugs that creep up + answering questions of the people who are in a (painful) transitional phase while the dust from $NEWMTA import settles + showing that you have a genuine interest to keep $NEWMTA in a functional, up to date, working condition This is a *lot* of work. Don't be fooled into thinking that I am ever implying it's going to be easy. It will take time, patience, a _lot_ of effort on the part of the submitter, and a sizable amount of _time_. But it is not impossible. So, anyone who really _wants_ to do it, is really both welcome to go ahead and certainly free to do it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:29:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05F81065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lazlar@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE388FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (195.54.127.133) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BC0060E640 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:36 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai9OAGzT5kpV44MCPGdsb2JhbACBUIgFkV0BAQEBN74ghD8EgV8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,634,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="58115998" Received: from c-0283e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.131.2]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 19:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4AE73723.5030809@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:08:35 +0100 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PAM and xdm woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:29:38 -0000 Hi, Every time I start xdm I get the following message on ttyv0, xdm: pam_sm_close_session(): no utmp record for :0 Everything seems to work just fine. I can log in, and everything runs as expected, so it's basically just an annoyance, especially since I don't know whether I should be concerned about security. The only things I've changed from the default xdm config are the size and position of the xconsole window xdm launches and the background (instead of the standard vanilla one, I run an xscreensaver hack), and those are changes I've had for about 10 years without any problems. This error message started showing up quite recently. I believe it happened when upgrading to 8.0, but I'm not sure exactly at what point. I've been running 8.0 since BETA1 and I'm now on RC1, and the message, I believe, started appearing some time at or after upgrading from 7.2-RELEASE-p? to 8.0-BETA1. I've run amd64 for about 2 years, but last week I moved back to i386, because I got tired of waiting for a decent 64 bit nVidia driver. The message has been there in the amd64 version and is still there after moving back to i386, so no change there. I've not changed anything in the PAM configuration; I simply don't know how. So, my questions are: 1. Should I be concerned about it? 2. How do I fix it? If you need any more info, please let me know. I'll be happy to post any config files, e.g. xorg.conf or my KERNCONF file (perhaps I've missed something important in the kernel?) Any help appreciated. Sincerely, Rolf Nielsen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:33:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47031065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE478FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE8F21C1A67; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:32:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:32:45 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan McKeown References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> In-Reply-To: <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:06 -0000 Jonathan McKeown wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the base > system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you suggesting > the system ship with no way to handle mail? This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a remnant from history? And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be whichever change requires the least work. No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no ldap? why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just seems to show that noone really remembers why some choice was made. BR, Erik -- Erik Nrgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:45:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82851065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:45:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kellymartin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6079E8FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so11365qyk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0aYH2nFfhv4LZfJQUL+bindWUCh4IxUZw4AZ4RQhpCw=; b=KuH85vDb17Pi9q/jntbMJ7sq9dxhq8ZJsEFN2O6o5r/QQMUEopRVUvgDu/ErI0V19r yKFhJFk3cmrUw/bC0Hm6FgthWV1YHwz/rHERgbxwVAQkfFKSF2BeVoRkT0yoIALOlvMb cJukoWFOUHXa1tK560lKeiX8pVPB8YXZpF1M4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=d9HwVCAf9id/zKKK7Fk/nFbQhCZrTMeQdYof3Ap/rrzp5oKWnXofLvvCn1SJt1KuTM Gelv/btqEd6LS0OXgiDze98GH65BS4T6QQK8GdBMA1cqre8HfftXgnEAltYX3C1tfJsN qNcQwCk/50hUYTfykaAmH2e5Dtq5govmkhd4I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.44.2 with SMTP id y2mr8630109qae.125.1256669148501; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1338880b0910240008h5d5e7846q8ccf184728d9e036@mail.gmail.com> <20091025021009.051de285.dcdowse@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:45:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1338880b0910271145m73dbb11bjada79a76ccea35e2@mail.gmail.com> From: Kelly Martin To: krad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions , "Daniel C. Dowse" Subject: Re: changing cron's From: address in emails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:45:49 -0000 On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:19 AM, krad wrote: > > >> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:08:21 -0600 >> Kelly Martin wrote: >> >> > Greetings, here's a simple question for the FreeBSD gurus out there. I >> > have several servers running cron scripts daily for me, and they all >> > send me e-mail with their output. Regardless of which server it is, >> > each of these e-mails have the From: address looking exactly the same. >> > They all say they are from the "Cron Daemon". Fine, but I'd like to >> > know more clearly which server the cron output is from. >> > >> > How can I change the From: address of these emails to "Myserver Cron >> > Daemon" instead? I know cron runs as the user, so it's not immediately >> > obvious to me how to change the From: field. Already the subject line >> > says something like "Cron ..." but this doesn't stand >> > out enough for my tired eyes. > > The simplist way to do it is get you scripts to print out a to, from and > subject line at the top of their output containing the information you want. > eg > > To: your@mailbox.com > From: scriptname@hostname.com > Subject: scriptname, hostname > > other script output > > > Then in the cron pipe the output into sendmail with the t flag > > eg > > 1 1 * * * somescript 2>&1 | /usr/sbin/sendmail -t > > you will then get the loverly named emails That is very cool, thank-you! It works beautifully. And as a bonus I've learned something new about how to e-mail the output from my scripts, which can be useful for all sorts of things. Kelly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:47:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE88106568F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2557F8FC0C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so9459gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:47:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=TuqqnRQgN4fvst6URIl6xPsRpMi+8hsC2+n1fFWtXVA=; b=lGefykUU+f9ch7sQo7EmvBoRmF140iq4O28Fv9Ksi69DmBG6JVw9uEyHz3hne+3de0 7VRYuWSM7ma6UormDjHWHuhK/99v2ta0NHCSMr4yDy89/v8VA4mIMFLbyxi2CpeXIniu ePB2fynboVTG8XWQUjUiWHIWIOLYWVWO+zQq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=tf4u7KS+wOwzNtQ2dpcNNm1+ABI9hu4fCd3N1KfhZ9H8mRKn3hq2M6WhjbXB8sVAeQ tYhBLo9LHiJpEDIgs8EM1RNyGAzEU6kP/DnJQ4YVB2S1eVI596lYLAx1qojHRhNEJek9 fUXIwehXVo11ff2ScvahPhMHOxIDxHVhFJzqA= Received: by 10.150.254.3 with SMTP id b3mr27177823ybi.161.1256669236268; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm94500gxk.14.2009.10.27.11.47.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:47:17 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:39 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > >On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: > >>>It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > >>> > >>>How many people actually use it? Very few. Why isn't it moved to > >>>ports? > >> > >> Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base > >> system. But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD > >> developers are happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that > >> sendmail will be removed soon. But there's nothing to prevent you > >> from disabling it in rc.conf(5): > > > > Or from switching to other BSDs in which the last word over an > > issue stands in the hands of reason .. and not in the hands of > > status quo... which, by the way, never took any science a single > > step forwar, and on the contrary ... did everything it could to > > stop it ... because otherwise, there would be no status quo anymore > > or it will fall in the hands of others. > > This is precisely the reason why the `status quo' exists. Because > people tend to get all political about this sort of thing, and that's > exactly the point where the entire discussion goes downhill. So .. status quo is a good thing ... > First of all, there are ways to build a base system _WITHOUT_ any > trace of Sendmail (the WITHOUT_SENDMAIL, WITHOUT_MAILWRAPPER and > WITHOUT_MAIL) knobs. So it's not like FreeBSD stops anyone from > removing Sendmail. That was never the OP's concern and it's a point that has already been clear for ages and then some more. > Now, the rest of the comments about 'science' and 'moving forward' > are not productive at all. If someone wants to move the particular > thing forward there is a well-known _technical_ way of resolving > this: Yet, CS development takes place on BSD fields .. so ... I beg to disagree but, AFAIC the only thing that's not productive at all is not discussing issues and let them be handled by "status quo", which .. yet again, never took and any science a single step forward. Feel free to read any history book that accounts from Galileo to today. > - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. > - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base system of FreeBSD. > - Update the manpages and documentation for $NEWMTA. > - Submit the patches to the FreeBSD team for review. > - Keep updating them as FreeBSD changes. > - Maintain and keep the $NEWMTA in shape, by: > + reimporting new releases > + fixing any bugs that creep up > + answering questions of the people who are in a (painful) > transitional phase while the dust from $NEWMTA import settles > + showing that you have a genuine interest to keep $NEWMTA in a > functional, up to date, working condition > > This is a *lot* of work. Don't be fooled into thinking that I am > ever implying it's going to be easy. It will take time, patience, a > _lot_ of effort on the part of the submitter, and a sizable amount of > _time_. That's way outside of the scope of the OP question .. yet still: Wasn't ZFS (and isn't) a lot of work? Aren't DMA, OpenSMTP, OpenCVS, ULE a lot of work? Weren't OpenSSH, OpenSSL, SMP support a lot of work? Actually, I really have a hard time looking for something that wasn't, isn't, or will be a *lot* of work. Maybe we could ask Ed Schouten if his xterm-style emulator will or will not be a *lot* of work .. like to have an authoritative answer ... And since we are at it, wasn't translating the whole FreeBSD documentation into greek a *lot* of work Giorgos. Maybe you could provide us with an authoritative answer too. What wasn't that didn't stop you from doing it?? > But it is not impossible. So, anyone who really _wants_ to do it, is > really both welcome to go ahead and certainly free to do it. Given the state of the "status quo" .. I really doubt anyone will stand up to take that task into his hands .. even if as a GSOC. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:52:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966FD106568D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:52:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f190.google.com (mail-iw0-f190.google.com [209.85.223.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8FC8FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn28 with SMTP id 28so12426iwn.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:52:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kJoRL82XDx5BrIXdDduaonYi2ThnThzW+5+HyennBLY=; b=UuhxK9mHmEvGZ0hCG8gwHSbmgZKDIc6JuTcjonsOl6rJz5tpZQ4S40U/9JWFtI4yEh MBJNn7Rrz/dzB5UmCWkUI/+iwCxK7LlbAjKPN4haAjtv2xD/jql44nT4VPfVRg96NtyE XUrZ8ELEd24AfrHRH2I6rWexEwBR2hOrmxwe4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=bzR5zLJagah+feiNZBLVhcLZ/IKg+kv7T7tJLJ9ieFz8iTEUWRh3WRdPGWYtmqPZCT hueXTrEeUtH82KQaH5Dtbpy2ryHcJbczDjeDNQJpAYjEyrwnbyXW9CQIJS6Ql6rVdQg+ jOJZwQouWKvl+4SCFRtMhZ/7K7FsRpKN3utEw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.4.75 with SMTP id 11mr194460ibq.25.1256669523495; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:52:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091026153216.d43de7da.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091026153216.d43de7da.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Bill Moran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:52:05 -0000 On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:32, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Yuri : > Besides, if it's not there, how are you going to send mail from things > like cron? Postfix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:53:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04B5106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f190.google.com (mail-iw0-f190.google.com [209.85.223.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99188FC23 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn28 with SMTP id 28so13820iwn.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FESEXm2Hc6WZ2CsfG4vt70rjH2POyCpHwlYdlh2C+KI=; b=tq0doVxmRt749lAGERET+p6kH6/EfTvyEPa6Z+9l3QvEW4ClDVXBZ228uAjSpZFVcq t1x5K417EaxLoc5lvWJuSmxKqMGYITfZ/eVl4ogrNQkPMSoQtmfNixs4V6V+ZF/AQaks MOTqYly9lPt0Hr1l9t+wskSiDXBwCo05EgJS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=cQzvE1JI8s+1OmKGR+3hWatGnD3aUS9U5MFLWTCjlXzpYY0kcb29Io1IPlaIoNFbWH y3iFqOvbTllVG3hDIGM4JU8B/m3aBxEt11xKeWk4c9VKctmhVbZNporWplyajx9ADdBV 35uR6djHqGnYWd2Pk/YwEVPp/KQ/V8Vm+2s7c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.5.79 with SMTP id 15mr1403759ibu.7.1256669638938; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:53:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: Jonathan McKeown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:54:00 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 00:16, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >> >> How many people actually use it? Very few. >> Why isn't it moved to ports? > > What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? > > Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail trots out > a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up to sendmail 8.14 > now. Get over it! > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the base > system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you suggesting > the system ship with no way to handle mail? I tried sendmail about 8 years ago. Don't know what the version was. Found it opaque and obscure. Went to Postfix, and have never looked back. Can't comment on sendmail's current state or practice, but postfix Just Works(tm) for me. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 18:54:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26A7106568D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803C98FC19 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28493 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Oct 2009 18:54:45 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B4E955089E; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> (Gonzalo Nemmi's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200") Message-ID: <44k4ygzmyz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? 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AAaaaagggghhhh -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:03:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3617A1065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4A48FC14 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so33902yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=6lVVUX6IrXJONhpLzl3IEJBLJbqkbGZ/hWvYB6Krvjk=; b=XOUY+ouS92fEgZwlrEu1ZPk9ccJUsxpbpt7+sI6PJNg7MEhopVX+FTUVUshDa99rMp Le+uxlSmwy/GyH6Utpmr6TMhx47lfBUMOo8DAUKFPU/4scalRu/86uaLMGUT3FFwJvea HxRmoeSb6yzBoD9NhWtw3gBxHEtFSXJ10qBfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=kD0EkcZvZlEtYU5AhpEInOb4v1jouIdAOaYLfT6xZM0Lg+CSHqb8cZJf25qOyoukwo DWzRJk67YggtUy2n2aYHApi4B418VarqkUNuudJNc1bTvKlbZyo/KYnHbyyRTblyIVdq cGLQV0NNb4Epo7aoXZgrze8a3QfDWGUf5REFU= Received: by 10.90.180.16 with SMTP id c16mr916996agf.15.1256670197409; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm90054ywe.11.2009.10.27.12.03.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:12 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> In-Reply-To: <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:03:19 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of > > the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or > > are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate > what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a > remnant from history? Dear Erik: Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA "for historical reasons". Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same question. > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > whichever change requires the least work. Indeed > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no ldap? > why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions will be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail command in the industry" Believe it or not ... > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just seems > to show that noone really remembers why some choice was made. > > BR, Erik Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:15:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435A5106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E272C8FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so44105yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=2DvVhKm6VlRL2TMaBsJV2VVje25SFcQL88AbCwx6zU0=; b=vRct02uJ31JoUJXRHFQCq+/nBmyW0ZDZGqELSQ++KVBBUqEGGVg4+S0ZFcUpzZYc3a 5bR84dR1qxrACLCfZ4ZRTHt3bjnaqvqJtZVTsLEpL9Mxwfi38gyBcXPz792QxDzuyEvR iG3w6M6xVLTATbMLdgrWDyt4PISkCWzCZnAW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=LbM0sG0JrszFAB3ZK28F2bQLQojDets1wcMXIBLk8R7NsN8rxU6kJaLsWnl+lJWyZT tifH4OtmslgxQ+EJXiwfBBoaiQXXo9Wu+otCLreDANJps1Py0HWpn1GERTVE1y1daSJj uejeAvWieOD+VKqd1OlQXEoHs37S4+JRZ2GQQ= Received: by 10.90.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr9139090agh.96.1256670928770; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm102247yxg.6.2009.10.27.12.15.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:15:24 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271715.24977.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:15:36 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:16:14 am Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > >> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: > >>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > >>> > >>> How many people actually use it? Very few. > >>> Why isn't it moved to ports? > >> > >> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? > > > > The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. > > Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped > editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... I really don't think > configuring it properly is difficult. Im holding "Sendmail, 3rd edition" by O'reilly in my hands right now .. the Bat book .. I covers up to Sendmail 8.12 (massive changes took place between 8.9 and 8.12), and I'm still looking at a massive 1207 pages book that deals with a single piece of software ... In my other hand, I'm holding "Postfix, The definitive guide" by O'Reilly too ... 206 pages to get a fully functional MTA working. The Senmail book is even bigger than the Lucas book on FreeBSD ... the whole Operative System > As you kindly cut out of Jonathan's post when you replied to it, > > "Almost everyone I've ever spoken to about why they dislike sendmail > trots out a bunch of cliches based on sendmail 8.8. People, we're up > to sendmail 8.14 now. Get over it!" No .. it didn't get any easier. Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:25:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5082106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271A68FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3A3EB4765; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:25:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD57451B2; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3cuDUGiWIiNF; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A4D450C6; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9RJOxp8011936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:24:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9RJOxA8011935; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:24:59 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gonzalo Nemmi References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:24:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> (Gonzalo Nemmi's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200") Message-ID: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:02 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. >> - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base system of FreeBSD. >> - Update the manpages and documentation for $NEWMTA. >> - Submit the patches to the FreeBSD team for review. >> - Keep updating them as FreeBSD changes. >> - Maintain and keep the $NEWMTA in shape, by: >> + reimporting new releases >> + fixing any bugs that creep up >> + answering questions of the people who are in a (painful) >> transitional phase while the dust from $NEWMTA import settles >> + showing that you have a genuine interest to keep $NEWMTA in a >> functional, up to date, working condition >> >> This is a *lot* of work. Don't be fooled into thinking that I am >> ever implying it's going to be easy. It will take time, patience, a >> _lot_ of effort on the part of the submitter, and a sizable amount of >> _time_. > > That's way outside of the scope of the OP question .. yet still: > > Wasn't ZFS (and isn't) a lot of work? > Aren't DMA, OpenSMTP, OpenCVS, ULE a lot of work? > Weren't OpenSSH, OpenSSL, SMP support a lot of work? > > Actually, I really have a hard time looking for something that wasn't, > isn't, or will be a *lot* of work. > > Maybe we could ask Ed Schouten if his xterm-style emulator will or will > not be a *lot* of work .. like to have an authoritative answer ... > > And since we are at it, wasn't translating the whole FreeBSD > documentation into greek a *lot* of work Giorgos. Maybe you could > provide us with an authoritative answer too. > > What wasn't that didn't stop you from doing it?? Yes, all this was a lot of work and it still is. What I wrote is not in the spirit of silencing anyone who wants to see Sendmail go. It was a description of how it _can_ be done. >> But it is not impossible. So, anyone who really _wants_ to do it, is >> really both welcome to go ahead and certainly free to do it. > > Given the state of the "status quo" .. I really doubt anyone will stand > up to take that task into his hands .. even if as a GSOC. Back when we started to translate the Handbook to Greek, it seemed like an impossibly huge task. A humongous and scary task. Something that would probably *never* be complete and 'done'. Ask our translators now. After almost 8 years of chipping at the bits here and there, we have a loosely organized team of people who actually _like_ doing this sort of stuff. So, anyone who is interested to see Sendmail go, should know that it is going to be a large and time-consuming undertaking. But they should also know that it is not _impossible_. All the projects you described above, including the ones I'm affiliated with, were actually _made_ possible by sitting down and doing the work. What I don't really like is arguing this way and that way, without any intention of actually putting one's code where one's mouth is. If we can reduce _that_ and work on actual "patches" then the status quo can change. Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose "well enough". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:31:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6722A1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@stilltech.net) Received: from mail.geekdelivery.com (www.geekdelivery.com [206.75.152.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247EC8FC18 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.geekdelivery.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19BB1A9C3F for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.geekdelivery.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wserver.geekdelivery.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qKn2qImsoO4 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dev.localnet (unknown [142.59.92.35]) by mail.geekdelivery.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 470A51A9C0D for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:33:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:33:42 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.2 (Linux/2.6.28-15-generic; KDE/4.2.2; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910231433.42824.ray@stilltech.net> Subject: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:36 -0000 Hello, I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting setup and I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. Current setup: freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. static ip address in router. I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) Desired setup same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. How do I set up bind so that 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, and 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. feel free to answer with links or search keywords. Thanks Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:31:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E8E106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ray@stilltech.net) Received: from mail.geekdelivery.com (www.geekdelivery.com [206.75.152.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52758FC20 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.geekdelivery.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AB11A9A88 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.geekdelivery.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wserver.geekdelivery.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryCFpUnwEpPq for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:16:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dev.localnet (unknown [142.59.92.35]) by mail.geekdelivery.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6614A1A9A80 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:16:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:16:12 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.2 (Linux/2.6.28-15-generic; KDE/4.2.2; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910231216.12835.ray@stilltech.net> Subject: bind configuration issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:31:37 -0000 Hello, I am adding a redundant Internet connection to my current hosting setup and I need to figure out how to set up the DNS to make this work. Current setup: freebsd 7.0 machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. static ip address in router. I have two DNS servers registered, but they both point to the same ip address an the same machine. (Yes, I should have my fingers slapped.) Desired setup same machine, one local IP address, runs web, mail, and name server. different router (Linksys RV082) with 2 static ip address. How do I set up bind so that 1) bandwidth is shared between the two connections, and 2) if one goes down, the other keeps working. I had a few ideas, but they all seem to have flaws. feel free to answer with links or search keywords. Thanks Ray From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:33:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C5C1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCED8FC0C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id C7DB716B54D; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:33:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.78]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BDE4816B4FE; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:33:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:25:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:25:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:33:59 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >> >>> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>>> >>>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>>> >>>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >>> >>> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? >> >> The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. >> > > Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped > editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... Then what are "we" using to edit sendmail.cf? The man page doesn't seem to be et up with verbosity on the subject. Let me guess: a gnome GUI? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:37:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F094106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B613E8FC20 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP74 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:37:35 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [67.189.183.172] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([67.189.183.172]) by BLU0-SMTP74.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:37:34 -0700 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B330522848 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:33 -0400 From: carmel_ny To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4AE71D33.9000102@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4AE71D33.9000102@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2009 19:37:35.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[EED5BE40:01CA573C] Subject: Re: Using bash with MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:37:36 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:17:55 +0000 Matthew Seaman replied: >carmel_ny wrote: >> I am in the process of writting a script that will use MySQL as a >> back end. For the most part, I have gotten things to work correctly. >> I am having one problem though. >> >> Assume a data base: >> >> database: MyDataBase >> table: MyTable >> field: defaults >> >> Now, I have populated the 'defaults' fields with the declare >> statements that I will use in the script. They are entered similar to >> this: >> >> declare -a MSRBL_LIST >> >> Now, I issue this from my bash script: >> >> SQL_USER=user # MySQL user >> SQL_PASSWORD=secret # MySQL password >> DB=MyDataBase # MySQL data base name >> HOST=127.0.0.1 # Server to connect to >> NO_COLUMN_NAME="--skip-column-names" >> COM_LINE="-u${SQL_USER} -p${SQL_PASSWORD} -h ${HOST} >> ${NO_COLUMN_NAME}" table=MyTable >> >> >> DECLARE_STATEMENTS=($(mysql ${COM_LINE} -i -e"use ${DB}; SELECT >> defaults FROM "${table}" WHERE 1;")) >> >> for (( i=0;i<${#DECLARE_STATEMENTS[*]};i++)); do >> echo ${DECLARE_STATEMENTS[i]} >> done >> >> This output is produced: >> >> declare >> -a >> MSRBL_LIST >> >> Obviously, I want the output on one line for each field. I have tried >> enclosing the variables with both single and double quote marks; >> however, that does not work. Fields that do not contain spaces are >> displayed correctly. >> >> Obviously, I am doing something really stupid here. I hope someone >> can assist me. I probably should ask this on the MySQL forum; >> however, I was hoping that someone here might be able to supply a >> remedy. > >This loop is where it all goes horribly wrong: > >for (( i=0;i<${#DECLARE_STATEMENTS[*]};i++)); do > echo ${DECLARE_STATEMENTS[i]} >done > >In Posix shell, the intended functionality would be more usually coded >like this: > >IFS=$( echo ) for ds in $DECLARE_STATEMENTS ; do > echo $ds >done > >where $DECLARE_STATEMENTS is split on any characters present in $IFS -- >the input field separators, here set to be just a newline character. >(You don't have to use echo to do that; you can just put a literal >newline between single quotes, but it's hard to tell all the different >forms of whitespace apart if you're reading code snippets in an >e-mail...) > >I suspect similar IFS trickery would work with bash, but I'm not >familiar with the array syntax stuff it uses. /bin/sh is perfectly >capable for shell programming and positively svelte when compared to >bash and it's on every FreeBSD machine ever installed, so why bother >with anything else? Matthew, unfortunately, that is not the problem. However, you post pointed me in the right direction. Notice this line: (should all be on one line) DECLARE_STATEMENTS=($(mysql ${COM_LINE} -i -e"use ${DB}; SELECT defaults FROM "${table}" WHERE 1;")) I am saving the output of the MySQL search in an array. Unfortunately, the array is assuming that each space in the returned search is a new element. I have not found out a way to prevent this. If you have any suggestions, I would appreciate them. I have tried putting: IFS=$( echo ) before the 'DECLARE_STATEMENTS' call; however, that produces this error: ./scamp-sql: line 128: syntax error near unexpected token `)' ./scamp-sql: line 128: `DECLARE_STATEMENTS=$(mysql ${COM_LINE} -i -e"use ${DB}; SELECT defaults FROM ${table} WHERE '1';"))' I know the principal is correct because I tried this code snippet: IFS=$( echo ) a="1 2 3" b=($a) echo ${b[0]} 1 2 3 CONCAT would not benefit me either since the 'space' would still exist in the returned search query. I might have to devise some hack to combine the three elements into one. Fortunately, there are three parts to every element. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | Sweater, n.: A garment worn by a child when its mother feels chilly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 19:49:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0C1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4980D8FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so73589yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=LSvbH05+84gDrNTrx7/5WlfS624VfQ0fQiXxeYiZa14=; b=ZdGBhL6SYSemZH2WyqVfklW3BucPWJieUbxjPhvEXckvpvjS2n+b1o0/6JJU1tjD39 lGMS5hOHr05gNGtu/o8BZmd/Xg32C870AfmSPlmF/AP40E+7KZXa2kDbig08AJAyjRge ijV/IfvWVheLjV0/mdv/Pi6iAx2887u8HuYOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; b=PI4UOAyz5kguoM5PqkEsyv17OMbnkWeHtSdfQrV+sMEtcrIw0a4yf9FatArLTBDOOn UNjqTKQt4TvbQxHX80eT93gwe7BlIoS6PHelgUb+e2lUrVakmzffoRS7xWaHGxvttC4Z xrcJfBuOb3aS2YYUBuRpYfo/Q0hbftx2zx7os= Received: by 10.91.27.6 with SMTP id e6mr8287905agj.27.1256672948852; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm103499ywg.4.2009.10.27.12.49.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:49:04 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271749.04856.gnemmi@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:49:11 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 5:24:58 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:47:12 -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:00:07 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> - Import your MTA of choice in a local branch. > >> - Integrate the $NEWMTA with the base system of FreeBSD. > >> - Update the manpages and documentation for $NEWMTA. > >> - Submit the patches to the FreeBSD team for review. > >> - Keep updating them as FreeBSD changes. > >> - Maintain and keep the $NEWMTA in shape, by: > >> + reimporting new releases > >> + fixing any bugs that creep up > >> + answering questions of the people who are in a (painful) > >> transitional phase while the dust from $NEWMTA import > >> settles + showing that you have a genuine interest to keep $NEWMTA > >> in a functional, up to date, working condition > >> > >> This is a *lot* of work. Don't be fooled into thinking that I am > >> ever implying it's going to be easy. It will take time, patience, > >> a _lot_ of effort on the part of the submitter, and a sizable > >> amount of _time_. > > > > That's way outside of the scope of the OP question .. yet still: > > > > Wasn't ZFS (and isn't) a lot of work? > > Aren't DMA, OpenSMTP, OpenCVS, ULE a lot of work? > > Weren't OpenSSH, OpenSSL, SMP support a lot of work? > > > > Actually, I really have a hard time looking for something that > > wasn't, isn't, or will be a *lot* of work. > > > > Maybe we could ask Ed Schouten if his xterm-style emulator will or > > will not be a *lot* of work .. like to have an authoritative answer > > ... > > > > And since we are at it, wasn't translating the whole FreeBSD > > documentation into greek a *lot* of work Giorgos. Maybe you could > > provide us with an authoritative answer too. > > > > What wasn't that didn't stop you from doing it?? > > Yes, all this was a lot of work and it still is. What I wrote is not > in the spirit of silencing anyone who wants to see Sendmail go. It > was a description of how it _can_ be done. I know Giorgios .. you are a good guy and you do _a_lot_ for FreeBSD, specially: advocacy work ... I've seen it in you flickr ;) I know you never meant to silence anyone. > >> But it is not impossible. So, anyone who really _wants_ to do it, > >> is really both welcome to go ahead and certainly free to do it. > > > > Given the state of the "status quo" .. I really doubt anyone will > > stand up to take that task into his hands .. even if as a GSOC. > > Back when we started to translate the Handbook to Greek, it seemed > like an impossibly huge task. A humongous and scary task. Something > that would probably *never* be complete and 'done'. > > Ask our translators now. After almost 8 years of chipping at the > bits here and there, we have a loosely organized team of people who > actually _like_ doing this sort of stuff. > > So, anyone who is interested to see Sendmail go, should know that it > is going to be a large and time-consuming undertaking. But they > should also know that it is not _impossible_. All the projects you > described above, including the ones I'm affiliated with, were > actually _made_ possible by sitting down and doing the work. That was exactly my point. Im glad you understood it the right way. > What I don't really like is arguing this way and that way, without > any intention of actually putting one's code where one's mouth is. > If we can reduce _that_ and work on actual "patches" then the status > quo can change. Personally, I don't like arguing either .. but I can't help but seeing it as the only possible kickstart when positions on a subject are so radically taken. Now, regarding the "putting one's code where one's mouth is.", that's not only an ideal but also likely scenario ... but look back in time on what happened with other such projects (Constantine Murenin as an example .. and just because I don't want to name other projects/ideas that ended up giving birth to new BSD systems ...) and wonder what would the scenario be knowing in advanced that "status quo" is not on your side .. and that even worse .. it's in the other. What I'm basically trying to say is that history accounts for the fact that no matter how much you put your code where your mouth is, "status quo" will remain "status quo" .. and that is what facts have showned so far. So, in view of those facts, I can hardly see anyone writing a single line of code to change the present situation unless "status quo" takes the first step .. and even in that case .. I can understand a lot of reluctancy on sitting down and doing the work > Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been > stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose "well > enough". Beg to disagree ... Best Regards and thanks for such a polite, reasonable and sensible reply. Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:05:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3371065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelgrunewald@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp5.netcologne.de (smtp5.netcologne.de [194.8.194.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86E08FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from llea.celt.neu (xdsl-84-44-230-93.netcologne.de [84.44.230.93]) by smtp5.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C40840D30C; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090919 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:05:34 -0000 Many thanks to the contributors of the list for their input on this question! I always got quick and detailed answer to my questions on this list, which is very appreciable in this time of (small) trouble. (I feel sorry for the very poor english I demonstrated in the message I wrote this morning: I was in a hurry!) Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:31:18 +0100, Grnewald Michal wrote: >> Starting the machine by other means, I found that the hard-drive is >> installed on has bad sectors. I am looking for advices on how to >> recover from this, if possible. > > If there's data on the disk you want to get back, first > make a dd copy of the drive or the partition in question. > Use an accurately working disk as the target. I have backups of the data contained in the broken, so the data on this disc are not a concern. I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as possible? >> Basically the question is: shall I discard my hard-drive with bad- >> sectors, or can I continue using it? > > Discard it. Hard disks are cheap today, and bad sectors may > have the habit to multiply. Don't take that risk. As the other contributors join their voices to yours, I will replace the faulty disk ASAP. -- Thank you a lot, Michal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:18:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE4F106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579538FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so99206yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P7lOI+7hzNrMgr87dAAwfttK8czaPEAi1M4ZeXpKdi4=; b=NuhmiO9vXY4dWtJH8F2IyYi4bqkUqJxmTQc/UePr8uRmAss9g8zzLzTiljmrUgJ11d QkUhJq0WFWs5Kmxjn+ouYkRAC1OS8OwuXFw+WYbOxFMNrNrIl11Qo6b4gm0WJbw2qoeD XLXa0yKzM9xoPKvLXIlUiOM+nVr+Fmd+nUt4M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P77k9Op+bidPvm1ocU+MBjrDcQEXiLQst3pNH7QZDgScEcuSGvvYOIyAFcNDPfobD8 4V37h/KV+Pspvw4Jk/FQ71I8Hvq7wTz7uG/5Hr80YbfubNDQ3Lk7ou6hg4n4jYcN+IKf j/NxuA1rEnY8Mkc72owjXWZ8Xi8R34TuNk4FU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.226.13 with SMTP id y13mr16286272agg.107.1256674713420; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:18:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Gonzalo Nemmi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:18:34 -0000 2009/10/27 Gonzalo Nemmi : > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: >> >It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >> > >> >How many people actually use it? Very few. >> >Why isn't it moved to ports? >> >> Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base system. >> But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD developers are >> happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that sendmail will be >> removed soon. =A0But there's nothing to prevent you from disabling it >> in rc.conf(5): > > Or from switching to other BSDs in which the last word over an issue > stands in the hands of reason .. and not in the hands of status quo ... > which, by the way, never took any science a single step forwar, and on > the contrary ... did everything it could to stop it ... because > otherwise, there would be no status quo anymore or it will fall in the > hands of others. What programs to include by default in a particular operating system ain't "science", buddy, no matter how thin you slice that bologna. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:20:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B990106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-10.bnguk.net (atmail-10.bnguk.net [80.74.253.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BFA8FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-10.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N2sWx-0003tH-Ie; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:35 +0000 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3912A4AC1B; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:35 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Giorgos Keramidas , Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:47 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > [big snip] > > Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been stable > for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose "well enough". > I don't use sendmail but it's easy enough to build a different MTA out of ports (at least Postfix is easy) and turn off sendmail, as others have pointed out. I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's documented in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and replaced with another MTA then there would be complaints that sendmail has been taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong one". If somebody's insane enough to write the patches to replace sendmail (will they be accepted?), then they are also going to have to replace all the hooks for removing the MTA, like sendmail currently has; and they're going to have to document the MTA in the handbook. They'll also need a thick skin to handle all the brickbats that come their way ;) I can think of many ways to more fruitfully spend the time that it would take to remove sendmail from base. Removing it from base would also mean that others have to spend time reconfiguring their system(s): not good. I vote for sendmail, even though I'm a postfix user! I don't like change for no good reason and nobody's supplied a good reason yet. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:27:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FA4106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3EE8FC28 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so95075ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:27:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=BQBLAyJMapDOyziJNmCZyQgkYq2xO6SQkhfC86MHWes=; b=WK11k7/aCoJmaw2aG/gYBKMFm9pc8tdEtmedySeqhQ7Fyqyfew2dTJguAiZTuF2adu Bus0MNyEN4wzdevpijTUSbavhL8UfWMfH1CBdDjXWLYQea4GTvy1nqYikWqD8z/S82Zh tGGupW126cPDZwJi/7eg3dAeiK1LGLnmEGzS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=JeHIw9SaWcLuTU1S2fTEKU4XV7ukn0PPnHUwxHDHEqcGkJKPvJv0UgieAjtYoJcSR3 zqnI2DzaWmEd4bWUcWacaMU8VTrt3n+/Yi5W5BZMJYagGZ/Q9I+aKlBXeZffRwUPtcCv EnFimiqJBNS+EFUmLZ+nR7vP5HM2bEaWFA0tA= Received: by 10.91.54.6 with SMTP id g6mr9496749agk.11.1256675267557; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm112303ywd.52.2009.10.27.13.27.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:27:44 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271827.44239.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:27:49 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:18:33 pm illoai@gmail.com wrote: > 2009/10/27 Gonzalo Nemmi : > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:32:14 am b. f. wrote: > >> >It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. > >> > > >> >How many people actually use it? Very few. > >> >Why isn't it moved to ports? > >> > >> Obviously, not everyone wants or needs sendmail in the base > >> system. But quite a few people do use it, and many FreeBSD > >> developers are happy with the status quo, so it is unlikely that > >> sendmail will be removed soon. =A0But there's nothing to prevent you > >> from disabling it in rc.conf(5): > > > > Or from switching to other BSDs in which the last word over an > > issue stands in the hands of reason .. and not in the hands of > > status quo ... which, by the way, never took any science a single > > step forwar, and on the contrary ... did everything it could to > > stop it ... because otherwise, there would be no status quo anymore > > or it will fall in the hands of others. > > What programs to include by default in a particular > operating system ain't "science", buddy, no matter > how thin you slice that bologna. Developing new technologies to improve the state of any given situation=20 or problem in any given point in time is "science". This thread is not about "What programs to include by default in a=20 particular operating system". Keep slicing your bologna. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:41:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B9106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E15E8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so163287bwz.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MVk2UMkQ1IzoXcuWYyRBYfLgxMCUut7ugpGoVLe4ZtQ=; b=pe03qggusLyzDPagLFqj9z4IZZoaeOZ8RPK4P567cA74ejxXe72ayPa+mJPJ+tKEyh b7R4b5hpd/URXkBF+eOqyrSAsNFAB+aHKqpAUzvEks/h/1xpt7xgsSSxvPC7+tDJASbB c9gIIjZm6evBJ5aToVC6wTtVORqChJzq3FT9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dcLuYaSzIfWDY1upxa4q9JmkiV82/nS05rYC8xr0QV9RQ6Szcp+kPiVMVg8cK6obLW bYlYgu+4+MFQzoE5earvGnCslkvrNqD5mimsebeybQXzvvquJoJ7k5dYIWDO+FjLfeCO 9GunuFRSfmfdUYgKXRM19QaaRZFLyX55xJrig= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.5 with SMTP id x5mr1214795bkb.166.1256676089161; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:41:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:41:30 -0000 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: > >> 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >>> >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>>>> >>>>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>>>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >>>> >>>> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? >>> >>> The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. >>> >> >> Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped >> editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... > > Then what are "we" using to edit sendmail.cf? =A0The man page doesn't see= m to > be et up with verbosity on the subject. > > Let me guess: a gnome GUI? > You guessed wrong. We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:44:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36189106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB088FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so107129gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=Jh7jpWyEuJxAkXZwemjECFDdvSS7cfwHn6l4TmqsBLw=; b=QXBM0l4BLMIN2Kc3YOJNsVZEiigvG4EDZvByCLSddY8w7AV2GAFi5PPbHeR64VEiRR 8683vCWWsC7Dw1yQMJJ5FsVzmKrVnAE4zs1uw0LCM4FluPDT5Vh+TyaovXl3BbAH5+bn /0ntmmezcvNgxLpefQyVYPp+bq3+lOY3wiGFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=Eb+22CYgdg+DZW7CWsclLzXqLWMbkQCZb1T1cjquySK3m4O3F7n6jNEodZgbK/RM4Z tg+ySoJEDlhz3xnyI0hrzNQ9PcFEi0OWOJfXqJGRhSqi6zutaiHLlbVbsjFUZ6YuTkvk HYaolVMCnb2jok0AGKH/7zsEigJss0E7wTBmU= Received: by 10.151.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr12796235ybl.101.1256676262243; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm117562ywh.31.2009.10.27.13.44.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:44:18 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:44:23 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > [big snip] > > > Until then, the status quo is here because it works, it has been > > stable for a very long time, and it serves its current purpose > > "well enough". > > I don't use sendmail but it's easy enough to build a different MTA > out of ports (at least Postfix is easy) and turn off sendmail, as > others have pointed out. Indeed Frank ... that has been well stablished for a long time .. not only in this thread but also on every faq on Freebsd and MTAs, handbook and other assorted texts. > I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's documented > in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and replaced with > another MTA then there would be complaints that sendmail has been > taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong one". Well .. someday UFS will be replaced by ZFS .. and one day Perl just dissapeard from base .. yet the worl kept turning, and even better .. no one got hurt ;) in the other hand, those not complaining, will probably be really happy .. so ... > If somebody's insane enough to write the patches to replace sendmail > (will they be accepted?), then they are also going to have to replace > all the hooks for removing the MTA, like sendmail currently has; and > they're going to have to document the MTA in the handbook. Regarding your question about the patches, well .. that's what I was discussing with Giorgios ... Now for the rest of the paragraph .. uhm .. yes .. that's the way it goes .. and that's the path every Linux distro and NetBSD took ... and the same path OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD will take when the time comes ... > They'll also need a thick skin to handle all the brickbats that come > their way ;) And who didn't need them ;) > I can think of many ways to more fruitfully spend the time that it > would take to remove sendmail from base. Removing it from base would > also mean that others have to spend time reconfiguring their > system(s): not good. I wouldn't be so sure about that without thinking on the mid/long term consecuences first. Doesn't ZFS mean that you have to reconfigure (or even reinstall) your system? > I vote for sendmail, even though I'm a postfix user! There's no voting going on .. OP just asked a question .. ;) > I don't like change for no good reason and nobody's supplied a good > reason yet. Well .. to some there are .. to some others, there aren't .. This is a discussion that winds back through time from a lot of threads ... > Regards, Regards Gonzalo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:48:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369E91065693 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:48:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF738FC15 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so111810ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:47:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=cIXJEqSxAEuNWp+W+Bmh/WHsox47CuO1xYyYuShRnN0=; b=V5nBv6rx9r+d99SgvcTPU9bQIM7a2EF8VP46b2zaybo4SsCdCPBR3e0ZGDiJIRlvq/ umAjmI43AyNpl17//6rrm/saiu+NSoRxHfofQvKwsQYgonuj6+uaQPAgurlhrpTPtnho 0yX4KWqVLNBkJZY5kC5ZCYLrCUOllnwwGXuuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=dg61JqSTNnfgWAXki5pKUI5evL2+6dcArKsbalmPJ4owpSTxWNFWnZeslZbxWa7gUD XO6DR3MPcsApQyVsJNUuU3lkYB04w+TCvFMSLz1crivIfiyr9GYUYgW1H2vf3z2Si1Ys wNnmTfRdP4RKGltAUC6oLJXuJs1pS205FD3PQ= Received: by 10.91.183.4 with SMTP id k4mr8507111agp.41.1256674840539; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.8.215? ([200.175.62.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm120304yxg.46.2009.10.27.13.20.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:20:27 -0200 Message-ID: <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:48:00 -0000 > > That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell > that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, > to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially > since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. > Strange.. it has been a long time since I used a windows box... our computers here at home and in the offices are all freebsd... and flash works like a charm in 64 and 32 bits using R7.2 and 8.0... it is faster than windows, no problem with the browser.... We use gnome 2.26 and epiphany with the libxul backend libxine as multimedia, and pulseaudio as audio driver... we have several notebooks running R7.2 and some acer notebooks running Linux too all with gnome 2.26.. no problem at all only At home, sometimes I use a windows box (ancient XP)... for a game (IL2 1946)... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 20:57:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75665106566B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5038FC13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji.config (93.97.24.219) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4A20329605A280D4; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE75EC8.9090106@onetel.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:44 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4AE62605.6030807@onetel.com> <43B213FE-A1A1-48CA-8B2A-1A494F34F12E@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <43B213FE-A1A1-48CA-8B2A-1A494F34F12E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: [freebsd-questions] in subject line X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:57:47 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi, Chris-- > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: >> Some mailing lists I am on automatically insert the mailing list name >> in square brackets into the subject line. I find this quite useful for >> setting up filters in thunderbird to drop different lists into >> different 'folders' >> >> I couldn't see anything in my freebsd questions list account settings >> to add that behaviour. Is it possible somehow? Or is it seen as >> undesirable? > > It's a per-list option in Mailman, not a per-user option. In order to > filter list mail, you can key off of the List-Id: header instead.... > > Regards, Thanks, List-Id sounds good. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:22:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E875C106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FA78FC22 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21178 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 21:22:23 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Oct 2009 21:22:23 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 39E4F508A7; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <878wew7i7p.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027202035.GA92828@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:22:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> (Gonzalo Nemmi's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:44:18 -0200") Message-ID: <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:24 -0000 I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... Gonzalo Nemmi writes: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's documented >> in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and replaced with >> another MTA then there would be complaints that sendmail has been >> taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong one". > > Well .. someday UFS will be replaced by ZFS .. Maybe. That's still quite a way out, and who knows what else will come along in the meantime? > .. and one day Perl just > dissapeard from base .. yet the worl kept turning, and even better .. > no one got hurt ;) I remember quite a bit of pain. It was worth it, because maintaining perl in the base was causing pain on an ongoing basis, but it was a problem for users in a number of different ways. > in the other hand, those not complaining, will probably be really > happy .. so ... So you keep saying, but I don't think there's any solid evidence. Your experience is one thing, but although I consider myself a postfix user, I have machines that run sendmail because it just worked for their purpose with no configuration at all. > Doesn't ZFS mean that you have to reconfigure (or even reinstall) your > system? No. Your old configuration works just fine if you still want to keep using it. You won't get the advantages of ZFS, but having it in FreeBSD didn't bre -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:33:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51C106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC358FC08 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9RLVZus087449; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:31:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9RLVYts087448; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:31:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:31:34 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:33:01 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of > > > the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or > > > are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? > > > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate > > what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a > > remnant from history? > > Dear Erik: > > Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's > just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: > 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA > 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA > 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base > 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" > 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason > behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default > MTA "for historical reasons". > > Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same > question. I will add one more that covers it best. Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to get rid of it. Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been fixed. So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason for wanting to replace it. In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how to do it. As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail fills the bill. Some other could also, but since Sendmail works just fine and is already there, then it is. ////jerry > > > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > > whichever change requires the least work. > > Indeed > > > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no ldap? > > why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... > > Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions will > be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only dream of > enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail command in > the industry" > > Believe it or not ... > > > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just seems > > to show that noone really remembers why some choice was made. > > > > BR, Erik > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:43:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545411065670 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB688FC1B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:43:39 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS700JYT0BZIXE0@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:43:11 -0500 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> In-reply-to: <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: af.gourmet@videotron.ca List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:43:39 -0000 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > >> That is precisely why I keep an XP box nearby. There is no way in hell >> that I would want to personally, or expect a colleague for that matter, >> to waste valuable time getting a simple plug-in to work; especially >> since I can do it in a matter of seconds on a Microsoft product. >> >> > > Strange.. it has been a long time since I used a windows box... our > computers > here at home and in the offices are all freebsd... and flash works like > a charm > in 64 and 32 bits using R7.2 and 8.0... it is faster than windows, no > problem > with the browser.... > > We use gnome 2.26 and epiphany with the libxul backend libxine as > multimedia, > and pulseaudio as audio driver... > > we have several notebooks running R7.2 and some acer notebooks running > Linux too > all with gnome 2.26.. no problem at all only > > At home, sometimes I use a windows box (ancient XP)... for a game (IL2 > 1946)... > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I wish someone could explain to me why I am no longer able to install flashplugin ... none of the methods work for me on amy version... I have literally tried them all.. the latest was linux-f10 - I cleaned out all the linux stuff, umounted the proc sytem cleaned out everything I could find related (?) to linux and reinstalled. No go, no way, José! I did catch some kind of warning that flashed by on the screen about Glib - seems to be gstreamer related...??? and the only thing I can find is the error message that flashplugin.so (or whatever the file is) could not be loaded because shared file "libfreetype.so.6" could not be found... and the only libfreetype.so.6 file on the s;ystem is ...so.6.something.something... If the system is smart enought to not find the right file, it ought to be smart enought to know where this file should be and to what it is related... duh ! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:53:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F14F1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4438FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091027215328.TONF12000.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net>; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:53:28 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.251]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id xxtT1c0015RPd3404xtT1y; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:53:27 -0400 X-VR-Score: -110.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PQhMOY2zTJoA:10 a=-IkFJk6PAAAA:8 a=EWdjuSYV3hsLK6mPiIkA:9 a=7JV4X4_SwPaVZtohWnEnWk49zTYA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:53:21 -0700 From: Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027145321.16ea4c99@asus64> In-Reply-To: <44k4ygzmyz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <200910271543.39876.gnemmi@gmail.com> <87skd47m54.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200910271647.12382.gnemmi@gmail.com> <44k4ygzmyz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:53:28 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:44 -0400 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Green! No, no, Blue! AAaaaagggghhhh > I think it should be disque shaped. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:57:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77948106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE048FC1E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so158842gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=Pm4oMHXmyBx+XEv78VBVdYNZrtYSemfVKTKfIr6h3uk=; b=cO4EnpjbAnyh7XNcfe1JksFXDb1iQjO7Z/kJNeD5N8Uzk7CpfpoCPzl3ZL3J18c13T qX+sLF/K87wRt9eIcA09BYefD3WuHNx1k/u94dUtpyq2ubMrnoFTpdd7OvtSwawaHnvd eftqZ6gJdZYV9ZSOs7bOvVP52eGCV5QN4rCEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=iXhXgSWy9I3LARac03jQY/DAx4LooYH4EYmr3Cyv6YGN7gBE5J+kf3wyLGgM4O+GNy F4L5MuPP2EG3qlLW67YEC0KXxEnZ/3JBe+ec1oVRD6johcBw9Oz9StE8lxGJNkL5OoMZ nlIzDagzVnN9lRq/prkHC22YJIZ5voHP7lbZk= Received: by 10.150.241.5 with SMTP id o5mr15936533ybh.173.1256680620475; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm152024gxk.13.2009.10.27.14.56.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:56:56 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271956.56741.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:22:22 pm Lowell Gilbert wrote: > I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... > > Gonzalo Nemmi writes: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's > >> documented in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and > >> replaced with another MTA then there would be complaints that > >> sendmail has been taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong > >> one". > > > > Well .. someday UFS will be replaced by ZFS .. > > Maybe. That's still quite a way out, and who knows what else will > come along in the meantime? HammerFS? A heavily armed Oracle lawyers squad team with 9mm. and willing to use them without a second thught?? Just a joke =P > > .. and one day Perl > > just dissapeard from base .. yet the worl kept turning, and even > > better .. no one got hurt ;) > > I remember quite a bit of pain. It was worth it, because maintaining > perl in the base was causing pain on an ongoing basis, but it was a > problem for users in a number of different ways. See what I mean? It actually paid off for most people .. but do you remember all the complaining that went on back then? What makes it any different now? And what would you say ... removing perl was more daunting that replacing Senmail? Honest question. > > in the other hand, those not complaining, will probably be really > > happy .. so ... > > So you keep saying, but I don't think there's any solid evidence. > Your experience is one thing, but although I consider myself a > postfix user, I have machines that run sendmail because it just > worked for their purpose with no configuration at all. Didn't the same thing happen when perl was removed? Some complaining, some cheering ... > > Doesn't ZFS mean that you have to reconfigure (or even reinstall) > > your system? > > No. Your old configuration works just fine if you still want to keep > using it. You won't get the advantages of ZFS, but having it in > FreeBSD didn't bre Oh, sorry Lowell, I mean you had to reconfigure (or even reinstall) if you want to make use of it :) Sorry, I should've been more clear about that. Best Regards Gonzalo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 22:37:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D767F1065692 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF3C8FC1C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so187101ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=5h9AHX7yiEVkJ/i0Vi6nELuOgE46Us/xhmzoYI6Idwk=; b=g6XgYx0B3sI3X1NGP1MkluZfa8uU7sqS3W2K7kj/K1htSBoKmHy5VXDgL81cTbA99s ws4UwtDtIr3VPKpWXHMx5loI7wzV5I81h9x6ww0fldwKoJ7pfg+jImD6ZIS9kS/QlRDk 324thifNhgn+iyrC6JWGzNq3c+i4lNQ32hzVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; b=oFcv4ldv3F6jBpYh3lPPScJAW19hSw3cHPxK5lyyx958BgAjBQiRzuUN5qScMqPEBB Hgk+cw92qqYl54Olm2A5MB1nrkQPoge2BPgwLZaS3JcsTz5cBIL583sodTT+lKS0jQXD 1HNuwv8ejs1QQ5IThgM0s2JDikyyWwNDhNin8= Received: by 10.91.55.2 with SMTP id h2mr6536440agk.65.1256683058854; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.8.215? ([200.175.62.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm164269yxd.27.2009.10.27.15.37.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: af.gourmet@videotron.ca, freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:37:25 -0200 Message-ID: <1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:37:40 -0000 Ok... supose you use FreeBSD 7.2 P3 (last version) but the RELEASE should work too.. supose you use AMD64.... 1) compile a custom kernel with SEM (semaphore enable) (sem_enable=YES) in the loader.conf 2) deinstall all linux stuff, remove the /compat/linux from the system, deinstall all pkg with linux.... 3) supose you will choose the basics... that is linux fc4 4) mount the /proc and linprocfs in fstab linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 5) install portmaster (recomended) 6) portmaster -Bdg www/linuxpluginwrapper 7) portmaster -Bdg www/linux-flashplugin9 8) mount -a (this will mount the /proc and linprocfs 9) nspluginwapper -v -a -i 10 ) if you are using epiphany..... cd /usr/local/lib/epiphany/2.26/plugins;ln -s /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/*.so . 11) make sure linux module is on the kernel...... 12) run browser and type about:plugins (this will show you the plugin running).... This sure works... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 22:46:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEA71065696 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:46:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130EC8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so204122yxe.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=79iG8D1hEsxgQ7ditgY9QydqATWZBclDFtTfhwHSACY=; b=ZD1EhEI2PMRS8/Rwhc3+/FwB/9z7blYs0Gtxpbrm0Y7ybE/Q5dF+R2hRWcBV6y/sDt W3o/W2+TmjEbZA5sgBtT1QbFtq0XuYJtc4Q13WbvnJZVk2t8oetpz1Cqzs+hXMC+gE8u qRYX79bqRF/17Va0eaumjLZjwG0onCqUPIijA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=QpyOjJJe4ZMSovdTDp2on300K2g5cM0/sacMZ1esc0D5gDwvUz2C7EYt2SeCfr35yG K9GdhTx2cb7XJDDdO4o61x9QOXXQKxBvAlVnmqrOZWm67jozGNkPSWuDhF/GOEtSsOBo hPoJ2Op3wSlXiYOkMjAIs6RlvHAjyjEdAz0WU= Received: by 10.90.42.9 with SMTP id p9mr3016707agp.4.1256683564273; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm166985yxg.28.2009.10.27.15.46.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:45:59 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:46:05 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > > > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out > > > > of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it > > > > with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to > > > > handle mail? > > > > > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to > > > debate what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a > > > requirement or a remnant from history? > > > > Dear Erik: > > > > Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, > > it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for > > ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA > > 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA > > 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base > > 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" > > 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical > > reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the > > default MTA "for historical reasons". > > > > Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the > > same question. > > I will add one more that covers it best. > Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to > get rid of it. Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been > fixed. I wonder what would have happened if Sir Isaac Newton followed the same line of though ... Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to develop infinitesimal calculus ... which .. of course, by that time, nobody knew it even existed. Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to discover the law of universal gravitation ... Or maybe .. not ... > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > for wanting to replace it. Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal preference? > In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. > There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how > to do it. Yes, that has already been pointed out quite a few times. > As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some > message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail > fills the bill. Some other could also, but since Sendmail works > just fine and is already there, then it is. Fit the bill ... well.. so did the Geocentric model .. and it actually did work just as fine .. and even better yet since it also mantained the "status quo" ! ... but then Galileo came and you know the rest of the story ... > ////jerry Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi > > > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > > > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > > > whichever change requires the least work. > > > > Indeed > > > > > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no > > > ldap? why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... > > > > Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions > > will be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only > > dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail > > command in the industry" > > > > Believe it or not ... > > > > > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just > > > seems to show that noone really remembers why some choice was > > > made. > > > > > > BR, Erik > > alo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:01:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC481065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B3B8FC12 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9RN0PE6092697; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9RN0PMs092696; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20091027230025.GA92658@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:51 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: > > > > Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > > > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out > > > > > of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it > > > > > with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to > > > > > handle mail? > > > > > > > > This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to > > > > debate what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a > > > > requirement or a remnant from history? > > > > > > Dear Erik: > > > > > > Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, > > > it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for > > > ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA > > > 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA > > > 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base > > > 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" > > > 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical > > > reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the > > > default MTA "for historical reasons". > > > > > > Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the > > > same question. > > > > I will add one more that covers it best. > > Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to > > get rid of it. Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been > > fixed. > > I wonder what would have happened if Sir Isaac Newton followed the same > line of though ... > > Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to develop infinitesimal > calculus ... which .. of course, by that time, nobody knew it even > existed. > > Or maybe there was an ACTUAL CURRENT reason to discover the law of > universal gravitation ... Weird. Try cutting down on caffeine. > > Or maybe .. not ... > > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > > for wanting to replace it. > > Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, > OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal > preference? Yup. > > > In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. > > There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how > > to do it. > > Yes, that has already been pointed out quite a few times. > > > As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some > > message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail > > fills the bill. Some other could also, but since Sendmail works > > just fine and is already there, then it is. > > Fit the bill ... well.. so did the Geocentric model .. and it actually > did work just as fine .. and even better yet since it also mantained > the "status quo" ! ... but then Galileo came and you know the rest of > the story ... Actually it didn't. It didn't describe observable conditions and events. ////jerry > > > ////jerry > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi > > > > > And if an MTA is a requirement then asking which one is the best > > > > choice is also a fair question. An equally fair answer could be > > > > whichever change requires the least work. > > > > > > Indeed > > > > > > > No different than asking, why is NIS still in the base? Why no > > > > ldap? why BIND, but no http? Why NFS? etc... > > > > > > Let me save you the trouble; the answer to mot of that questions > > > will be: historical reasons and that other solutions can "can only > > > dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND and Sendmail > > > command in the industry" > > > > > > Believe it or not ... > > > > > > > I think the only void answer is because of tradition, that just > > > > seems to show that noone really remembers why some choice was > > > > made. > > > > > > > > BR, Erik > > > > alo Nemmi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:04:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2148A106566C for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@t41t.com) Received: from rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (unknown [IPv6:2610:10:20:208:2e0:81ff:fe5c:af2e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA988FC1F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (nemo.ece.pdx.edu [131.252.209.162]) by rcpt.cat.pdx.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id n9RN4TX9022638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:29 -0700 Received: from nemo.ece.pdx.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9RN4Tl2010431 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tait@localhost) by nemo.ece.pdx.edu (8.13.6/8.12.6/Submit) id n9RN4TwN010428 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nemo.ece.pdx.edu: tait set sender to freebsd@t41t.com using -f Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:29 -0700 From: freebsd@t41t.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091027230429.GR22136@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> <7576e2a20910270112h4e641e8cr70a5aecd6bf5eeeb@mail.gmail.com> <19174.57119.123849.760108@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19174.57119.123849.760108@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (rcpt.cat.pdx.edu [131.252.208.107]); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=6.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at rcpt.cat.pdx.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:04:32 -0000 > > Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. > > Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) > after investigating the "NO_PROFILE" option in /etc/make.conf. There's only a PERL_VERSION in make.conf. Since sysinstall doesn't work (this is -p4, not a base media install), how does one go about installing proflibs? I didn't see anything related to proflibs in the csup files. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:02:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12A3106568B; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEE08FC1B; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RMib2p071272; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id p8KYi8dOM7vJ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:00:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9RMwK3U071500; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:58:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4AE77B0C.1020605@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:58:20 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Nemmi References: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <200910271956.56741.gnemmi@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200910271956.56741.gnemmi@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:10:14 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:02:20 -0000 Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:22:22 pm Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... I'd like the bikeshed blue, please. Also, since Sendmail has reached maturity, let's baptize it now instead of during infancy, and add a knob FEATURE(require_calvinism). Also, I'm attending the annual meeting of my Sendmail Users Anonymous Group (SMAUG) tomorrow (it's annual because there are SO FEW of us we had to scour the world to find a quorum and it makes economic sense to to meet just once a year), where I'll ask Pope Eric to call up troops to end this holy war on this list once and for all. I'm sharpening blades in the shop even as I write this! DEUS VULT!!!! 'Nuff ... please? Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:23:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFBB1065676 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@accid.net) Received: from postville.darq.net (postville.darq.net [82.136.41.65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A232F8FC17 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (postville [82.136.41.65]) by postville.darq.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E683154D83; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:05:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at darq.net Received: from postville.darq.net ([82.136.41.65]) by localhost (postville.darq.net [82.136.41.65]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7BRd+OKpGtA; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from flogger.darq.net (78-105-7-89.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.7.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andrew@accid.net) by postville.darq.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 695F13154D8B; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4AE77C70.2040300@accid.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:04:16 +0000 From: Andrew Von Cid User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mak Kolybabi References: <20090813222501.GB29899@brisbane.nepharia.org> In-Reply-To: <20090813222501.GB29899@brisbane.nepharia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitions per slice limitation removed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:23:03 -0000 Hi, > No, you were not dreaming. When in doubt, check the source. From > head/sbin/bsdlabel/bsdlabel.c [1]: > > "Allow bsdlabel to operate on labels that have at most 26 partitions by virtue > of there not being any (lower-case) letters avaliable for more partitions." > > [1] http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=174501 > Has anyone actually got that working? I just tried adding a 9th label on 8.0-RC2 with no luck. I tried both gpart and bsdlabel. silver% gpart show ad4s1 => 0 62914257 ad4s1 BSD (30G) 0 1048576 1 freebsd-ufs (512M) 1048576 2097152 2 freebsd-swap (1.0G) 3145728 14680064 4 freebsd-ufs (7.0G) 17825792 3145728 5 freebsd-ufs (1.5G) 20971520 1048576 6 freebsd-ufs (512M) 22020096 4194304 7 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) 26214400 4194304 8 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) 30408704 32505553 - free - (15G) silver% sudo gpart add -b 30408704 -s 32505553 -t freebsd-ufs ad4s1 gpart: index '9': No space left on device ...and if I specify the index manually I get this: silver% sudo gpart add -b 30408704 -s 32505553 -t freebsd-ufs -i 9 ad4s1 gpart: index '9': Invalid argument silver% uname -r 8.0-RC2 Perhaps this isn't going to make into 8.0-RELEASE after all or am I doing something wrong? Cheers, Andrew./ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:31:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3071065698 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jin@daemonfun.com) Received: from server70.appriver.com (server70a.appriver.com [69.20.116.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4678FC27 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:31:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Policy: GLOBAL - ubicom.com X-Primary: jin@daemonfun.com X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-Virus-Scan: V- X-Note: TCH-CT/SI:0-24/SG:2 10/27/2009 6:31:09 PM X-GBUdb-Analysis: 0, 216.112.109.98, Ugly c=0.640417 p=-0.904 Source Normal X-Signature-Violations: 0-0-0-5811-c X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: PRIVATE->UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 216.112.109.98 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: 216.112.109.98.ptr.us.xo.net X-Note-WHTLIST: jin@daemonfun.com X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 115 116 117 118 122 123 220 X-Note: Mail Class: VALID X-Note: Headers Injected Received: from [216.112.109.98] (HELO stork.scenix.com) by server70.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 105913893 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:31:50 -0400 Received: from [10.10.50.211] ([10.10.50.211]) by stork.scenix.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <4AE774BC.8080006@daemonfun.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:31:24 -0700 From: Jin Guojun User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20080928 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2009 22:28:13.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[C54F2C10:01CA5754] Cc: Subject: What causes random disk access slow down X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:31:51 -0000 A 6-7 years old Xeon dual 2.4MHz CPU machine runs FreeBSD 6.4-Release suddenly becomes slow on some tasks requiring disk access. Typical things like ls, objdump etc. Be more specific, a couple of minutes objdump became a several hours job. A several seconds "ls -RC" became a 15-minute task (see output below). It sounds like a hard drive problem, but run sequential disk test on all drives, their throughput meet the original disk spec and disks run very quite, at random disk access, disks generate some rigid noise, so it looks like a random disk access problem. This machine has two IDE PATA drives (ignore da0 -- a USB stick), but No error message has been recorded in dmesg for any dirve a couple of weeks after the problem happened. Machine has been rebooted a few times after slowness occurred, but it won't help. Is there anyway/any tool to find out what is going wrong in the system? -Jin [165] bsd-ms: ls -RC > Dir 3.756u 19.402s 15:29.37 2.4% 30+2938k 49120+76io 0pf+0w monitored from the other terms -- [138] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 6152192 Oct 27 14:53 /home/users/src/Dir [139] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 8019968 Oct 27 14:56 /home/users/src/Dir [140] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 9915957 Oct 27 14:58 /home/users/src/Dir tty ad0 ad1 da0 cpu tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id 9 365 9.14 6 0.05 12.08 6 0.07 121.91 0 0.00 2 0 1 0 97 0 1020 11.75 87 0.99 17.82 7 0.13 0.00 0 0.00 76 0 14 0 10 0 1005 8.54 262 2.19 52.94 23 1.21 0.00 0 0.00 61 0 29 1 9 0 893 7.54 184 1.36 85.76 34 2.82 0.00 0 0.00 53 0 32 1 14 0 551 3.35 265 0.87 9.38 4 0.04 0.00 0 0.00 47 0 33 1 19 0 594 6.81 201 1.33 37.82 4 0.14 0.00 0 0.00 54 0 16 0 30 0 1106 3.54 252 0.87 55.19 17 0.93 0.00 0 0.00 39 0 33 1 27 0 393 2.88 223 0.63 11.43 2 0.03 0.00 0 0.00 67 0 31 1 1 0 644 4.81 165 0.77 16.00 0 0.01 0.00 0 0.00 87 0 12 1 1 27 339 10.39 180 1.82 15.18 11 0.17 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 13 0 0 32 130 5.06 146 0.72 23.40 46 1.04 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 8 1 5 32 267 8.39 138 1.13 61.09 4 0.22 0.00 0 0.00 73 0 26 1 0 33 340 8.75 222 1.90 61.54 4 0.26 0.00 0 0.00 78 0 21 1 0 32 595 5.85 154 0.88 12.20 3 0.04 0.00 0 0.00 87 0 12 1 0 32 288 5.28 147 0.76 6.00 1 0.01 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 13 1 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 23:37:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E6106568D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org) Received: from mail.covertinferno.org (adsl-99-33-24-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [99.33.24.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD2C8FC15 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.121] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by mail.covertinferno.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4D6D12CD29 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AE7841B.4080408@covertinferno.org> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:36:59 -0700 From: phantomcircuit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE774BC.8080006@daemonfun.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE774BC.8080006@daemonfun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What causes random disk access slow down X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:37:01 -0000 How full are the disks? Jin Guojun wrote: > A 6-7 years old Xeon dual 2.4MHz CPU machine runs FreeBSD 6.4-Release > suddenly becomes > slow on some tasks requiring disk access. Typical things like ls, > objdump etc. Be more specific, a couple of minutes objdump became a > several hours job. > A several seconds "ls -RC" became a 15-minute task (see output below). > > It sounds like a hard drive problem, but run sequential disk test on > all drives, their throughput > meet the original disk spec and disks run very quite, at random disk > access, disks generate > some rigid noise, so it looks like a random disk access problem. > This machine has two IDE PATA drives (ignore da0 -- a USB stick), but > No error message has > been recorded in dmesg for any dirve a couple of weeks after the > problem happened. > > Machine has been rebooted a few times after slowness occurred, but it > won't help. > Is there anyway/any tool to find out what is going wrong in the system? > > -Jin > > [165] bsd-ms: ls -RC > Dir > 3.756u 19.402s 15:29.37 2.4% 30+2938k 49120+76io 0pf+0w > > monitored from the other terms -- > [138] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir > -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 6152192 Oct 27 14:53 /home/users/src/Dir > [139] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir > -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 8019968 Oct 27 14:56 /home/users/src/Dir > [140] bsd-ms: ll ~/Dir > -rw-r--r-- 1 src wheel 9915957 Oct 27 14:58 /home/users/src/Dir > > tty ad0 ad1 da0 > cpu > tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy > in id > 9 365 9.14 6 0.05 12.08 6 0.07 121.91 0 0.00 2 0 1 > 0 97 > 0 1020 11.75 87 0.99 17.82 7 0.13 0.00 0 0.00 76 0 14 > 0 10 > 0 1005 8.54 262 2.19 52.94 23 1.21 0.00 0 0.00 61 0 29 > 1 9 > 0 893 7.54 184 1.36 85.76 34 2.82 0.00 0 0.00 53 0 32 > 1 14 > 0 551 3.35 265 0.87 9.38 4 0.04 0.00 0 0.00 47 0 33 > 1 19 > 0 594 6.81 201 1.33 37.82 4 0.14 0.00 0 0.00 54 0 16 > 0 30 > 0 1106 3.54 252 0.87 55.19 17 0.93 0.00 0 0.00 39 0 33 > 1 27 > 0 393 2.88 223 0.63 11.43 2 0.03 0.00 0 0.00 67 0 31 > 1 1 > 0 644 4.81 165 0.77 16.00 0 0.01 0.00 0 0.00 87 0 12 > 1 1 > 27 339 10.39 180 1.82 15.18 11 0.17 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 13 > 0 0 > 32 130 5.06 146 0.72 23.40 46 1.04 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 8 > 1 5 > 32 267 8.39 138 1.13 61.09 4 0.22 0.00 0 0.00 73 0 26 > 1 0 > 33 340 8.75 222 1.90 61.54 4 0.26 0.00 0 0.00 78 0 21 > 1 0 > 32 595 5.85 154 0.88 12.20 3 0.04 0.00 0 0.00 87 0 12 > 1 0 > 32 288 5.28 147 0.76 6.00 1 0.01 0.00 0 0.00 86 0 13 > 1 0 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 00:00:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F161065695 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154748FC0C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091028000015.JZPK21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:15 -0400 Received: from asus64 ([72.220.91.251]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id y00F1c00F5RPd340400FKA; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:00:15 -0400 X-VR-Score: -180.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PQhMOY2zTJoA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=nFgQRaWqfcrZkmX7OI8A:9 a=13OsrDeggEsq_hTlBM0fblTaQSIA:4 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:00:10 -0700 From: Robert To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20091027170010.0ac1550f@asus64> In-Reply-To: <20091027230025.GA92658@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027230025.GA92658@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:00:16 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:00:25 -0400 Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > Fit the bill ... well.. so did the Geocentric model .. and it > > actually did work just as fine .. and even better yet since it also > > mantained the "status quo" ! ... but then Galileo came and you know > > the rest of the story ... > > Actually it didn't. It didn't describe observable conditions and > events. > It appears that Copernicus built his bike shed 100 years before Galileo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 00:25:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD321065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65628FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id BE04116B4F9; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.92]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DB03616B4CD; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-313373648-1256688964=:92033" X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-313373648-1256688964=:92033 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >>>> >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>>>>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >>>>> >>>>> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? >>>> >>>> The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. >>>> >>> >>> Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped >>> editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... >> >> Then what are "we" using to edit sendmail.cf? =A0The man page doesn't se= em to >> be et up with verbosity on the subject. >> >> Let me guess: a gnome GUI? >> > > You guessed wrong. > > We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into > sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my > system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. > > http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. What is your interest in sendmail? Are you connected with it in someway? Surely, yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of O'Reilly's royalties. It's the same old crap, give the software away, sell the documentation. --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --0-313373648-1256688964=:92033-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:02:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40821065694 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78F48FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so286426gxk.13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rZ3bRhrqeOn6oK8ixQHRPQ6L9wXY3gGDuPYVFXbh4uw=; b=eNLDL9Y6b4ultKTPMtZ3uFQAXSLDMN7QRhYIGTjJ5LJ/X2A8Pkgx54umRTDkHzkKrB BORj6bM2VICZtp19lMZ+ClfST5x4fmM3HdrGMj5K5TFkzmsoTkidzYMmQlH4zcqirK/I Dv67bFcNtT3TpFaJwH+GjzMYsE87rYL2x1A/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MNMd0kKEF0TkgKxMPq5GgMjKBlHMOAj+sudeytMwbLz7HNJj5SHs3iTiqKlAubp/NP 5zOJfysDZ46lEYlZhdNJDUBBfNr5yTsDYsEnuXGhi4pXeh4Kgflb3r7K80pUN4CmCgYY g8vstuc/Srk8ktPmJkLnoUMR/ACG/1KG2oa/4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr6710980ybc.87.1256690500506; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:40 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:25 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner wrote: >> You guessed wrong. >> >> We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into >> sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my >> system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. >> >> http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html > > That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. =A0What = is > your interest in sendmail? =A0Are you connected with it in someway? =A0Su= rely, > yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of > O'Reilly's royalties. =A0It's the same old crap, give the software away, = sell > the documentation. > well shit man - Eric's actually a super nice guy and has made some major contributions to computing so I reckon he deserves *some* respect for the work he's done on sendmail. and frankly I find it easier to setup a SMART_HOST in my .m4 and dist out my resulting configs to my servers in my production clusters. I also have the added benefit that i know sendmail is being tracked as part of the base system so it makes it easier for me to monitor patches w/o having to track ports. For more complex systems (my relay for example) - sure I use postfix, and freebsd makes this quite easy to do as well. if you don't want to use sendmail on your machines it's easy - just don't use it. -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:33:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FB0106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA68FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id B48C316B533; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.100]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 396AD16B4CD; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: pete wright In-Reply-To: <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294" X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:33:27 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, pete wright wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner > wrote: > >>> You guessed wrong. >>> >>> We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into >>> sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my >>> system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. >>> >>> http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html >> >> That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. =A0What= is >> your interest in sendmail? =A0Are you connected with it in someway? =A0S= urely, >> yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of >> O'Reilly's royalties. =A0It's the same old crap, give the software away,= sell >> the documentation. > well shit man - Eric's actually a super nice guy and has made some > major contributions to computing so I reckon he deserves *some* > respect for the work he's done on sendmail. Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --0-1164999809-1256693047=:92294-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:43:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF504106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589EF8FC18 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so299224gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:43:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DOLwGHsthSndF8PB4FZJMyXJHYU6hr3zPDdqdjmhDqE=; b=uppgOsfnYZDC+JPZzIKghOzNmR9nqbfyG6f1B/osxPKJgY3aLQgrzXcTr+owlqFOXH Y5z7uet08n5NOVUx3L8uMn+6QW2He166FPhqPXD+yCV2dh5neNHcWBCHd3amLVs+fSuu 5+1W5yFWjgkgcAzAh3E1h71Br9mSH8WdyfJIs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HP754Ty3WAj7rpgtmqSnYfHjIiqGNdWtN+BZgqMrJGa2HJJPmQK/H7JWhMY/I7ItrS xR/ZTwDzkmLyp/UpWr9GVZrQJK+OWYuDMZk50kZSUQel23TTCWYPsDb3wOVJSx5gkf/s ICURxMKk2i3h6gTpK354NGbiz92NT5FqdKayQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.92.8 with SMTP id u8mr13304502ybl.101.1256694224924; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:43:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000910271843p53a05152vfb20ffce418bc604@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:43:47 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, pete wright wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner >> wrote: >> >>>> You guessed wrong. >>>> >>>> We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into >>>> sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my >>>> system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. >>>> >>>> http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html >>> >>> That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. =A0Wha= t is >>> your interest in sendmail? =A0Are you connected with it in someway? >>> =A0Surely, >>> yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of >>> O'Reilly's royalties. =A0It's the same old crap, give the software away= , >>> sell >>> the documentation. > >> well shit man - Eric's actually a super nice guy and has made some >> major contributions to computing so I reckon he deserves *some* >> respect for the work he's done on sendmail. > > Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language > to configure it. =A0Other than personal profit I cannot see why people ar= e > clinging like grim death to something this fubar. =A0Really, let's go pas= t > this one more time: > ok i'm just gonna suggest you read up on the history of sendmail to gain some perspective on why/when it was written. i'm not saying that there are no issues with it - but i think some historical perspective would do you a world of good. regarding having to learn a new language i'm not sure about that as i wouldn't say i "know" m4 - but I can rtfm, and the default .mc files are actually well documented. so yea... > "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" > > Did you look at the link he offered? =A0How helpful is that? > > Beside which, m4 is a PORT. =A0So if sendmail is not configurable without= a > port, why isn't it a port? sure it's a port, sendmail is a port too. but that does not mean you need to install the port to compile custom .mc files for your server. in fact if you check out /etc/mail/Makefile you might notice that m4 is actually part of the base system: /usr/bin/m4 anywho i should stop feeding the troll. -p --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:46:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60DB1065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosand1982@yahoo.com) Received: from n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 800E08FC19 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 01:33:04 -0000 Received: from [76.13.13.26] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 01:33:03 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.83] by t3.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 01:33:03 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.111] by t3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 01:33:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 01:33:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 602515.63856.bm@omp115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16346 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2009 01:33:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256693583; bh=2Rk5CHuSE6QbAw47ZbGE/tzNWmndVqcxoYr/pBnSHVw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PZunmwJLKCaW831kkFCFcYQ8tKmP8afH16ONpG3gqAixv45MausAturNcV0Mnk7dkw2q8xodw1046IqoqmFQUesW9a2hzCZsuFXSPy0SlxV2WMUPQUCUxayy+GxRhDvEYwjJO7d/lJ0brCfZJRqkJ8NawGBGvPe/Hyllvrs6bNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=D7LtSsAnAQK+Y1zc1Hy0J1U1jdZapZLNWxOoG4d+EmSPO12v2TPcOTv/9ZV4lcOB0VNfYbP3BheSiDvbi5gVsZDKNSPuk41F8UXNlXvJJcpQq6nHsV+fK7Pk6BY4dz5SPcfYBXJJZW/v5zpscNsqv/4pMBDM7llz+zMSbrVaZb8=; Message-ID: <435062.15389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aZ.Ns8kVM1luvXlbStp6MEZ0sk1fGhfnku5QzuQNYl_JHk.B03jzoNwljzudC.KBtGvqossbUjUnbZA7kuw42k7HAQhdC6auXXUfp7X0tZpR1KAGivHGawMu8Dg6qlw7woIrYJHcL8DbbUSp.1sZ.zfUcgn38x.oiardpWNhpfRwU9.Tx2Ebk5sXFrG_AGKH1iBCLSBjqxDwNlBfk3DDeZlEQ_NaRbQoc2XDw75Q8QzGmroUPuWnYVsSpCr1rkYeCknG Received: from [71.63.232.32] by web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: George Sanders To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: what is special about the 'git' Makefile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:46:54 -0000 I've been doing this dance: ../configure ; make ; make install for about ten years now. Sometimes there are some little issues, but nothing too crazy. I tried to build 'git' from source today, however, and it doesn't behave like anything I've ever seen... I do the ./configure and it completes without errors: checking for mkstemps... yes checking for library containing mkstemps... none required checking Checking for POSIX Threads with '-pthread'... yes configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating config.mak.autogen and then run 'make' ... "Makefile", line 206: Need an operator "Makefile", line 244: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 247: Need an operator "Makefile", line 250: Need an operator "Makefile", line 273: Need an operator "Makefile", line 286: Need an operator "Makefile", line 395: Need an operator (snip about 8 or 10 PAGES of the above) "Makefile", line 1293: Need an operator "Makefile", line 1294: warning: duplicate script for target "ifdef" ignored "Makefile", line 1295: warning: duplicate script for target "ifdef" ignored "Makefile", line 1296: Need an operator "Makefile", line 1298: Need an operator "Makefile", line 1301: Need an operator "Makefile", line 1303: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 1305: Need an operator "Makefile", line 1307: Missing dependency operator "Makefile", line 1309: Need an operator Error expanding embedded variable. So ... what in the world is going on here ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:49:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED541065695 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:49:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414698FC27 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44521EB478D; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA0451B2; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:30 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id trtObs+ZXwyI; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:30 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02FC450C6; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:29 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9S1nSJt016965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9S1nPs2016964; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Lars Eighner References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:49:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> (Lars Eighner's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT)") Message-ID: <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: pete wright , Jonathan McKeown , utisoft@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:49:31 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: > Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting > language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why > people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, > let's go past this one more time: > > "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" > > Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? > > Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable > without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 and the thread is quickly spiraling down to the level of personal attacks. I use both Postfix and Sendmail. I'd probably prefer Postfix in the base system, but the only way this can happen is to sit down and actually _do_ the work it takes. Any takers are more than welcome... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:53:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4571065693 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7C88FC18 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EDAEB4794; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A625D451B2; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:48 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCbJQTmLQUpL; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8CD450C6; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9S1rlg0016987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9S1rjqO016986; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: George Sanders References: <435062.15389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:53:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <435062.15389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (George Sanders's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <878wewwafq.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is special about the 'git' Makefile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:53:50 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:33:03 -0700 (PDT), George Sanders wrote: > I've been doing this dance: > > ../configure ; make ; make install > > for about ten years now. Sometimes there are some little issues, but nothing too crazy. > > I tried to build 'git' from source today, however, and it doesn't > behave like anything I've ever seen... > > I do the ./configure and it completes without errors: > > checking for mkstemps... yes > checking for library containing mkstemps... none required > checking Checking for POSIX Threads with '-pthread'... yes > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating config.mak.autogen > > and then run 'make' ... > > "Makefile", line 206: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 244: Missing dependency operator ... > So ... what in the world is going on here ? Try using GNU make: ./configure && gmake The devel/git port includes `USE_GMAKE=yes', so I'm guessing the port maintainer discovered that the makefiles of Git use gmake-specific constructs and added it to the port makefile for a good reason. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:58:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955F6106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693018FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so541766pwj.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:58:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bnEw7nAp1mankIhhY0+UpOYdKVmRPXo5jeM7r29dxZc=; b=WE/jD1xtbfX7e/QkhLx6GXN9qPmWfV9vIdzJh0iFnuzvWtED5wTtBxpOmOa9BVvfNK GJng382N7/1p2+JvLC1kcA29bPrZijksEnNDVZJ3/7GDQm3Y+MdTZ63zKV2iP2va22AX fGLm2MRruK5ku9ZbLO42idkUbYsP2u7h1T77s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eC1oucPB4yq5mYmh8WKMxYxa6OFW74tfaZNr8P4B/JFDqoyZQYYR1i69133wl/xkm9 4cdGHORFyOU/OLvXV8fvCtUiVXB8v6AAruKvDlKP3MVzGuoVh2NDfG4nPWEdfw0kEkdk oXZsW19KQNP8bIelrp+HAJSNrpTCyWv/Y0/hg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.60.5 with SMTP id i5mr578417wfa.102.1256695130030; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:58:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <435062.15389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <435062.15389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910271858y56da1534q3a7010ee202a0ad8@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: George Sanders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what is special about the 'git' Makefile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:58:50 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:33 PM, George Sanders wrote: > > > I've been doing this dance: > > ../configure ; make ; make install > > for about ten years now. Sometimes there are some little issues, but > nothing too crazy. > > I tried to build 'git' from source today, however, and it doesn't behave > like anything I've ever seen... > > I do the ./configure and it completes without errors: > > > checking for mkstemps... yes > checking for library containing mkstemps... none required > checking Checking for POSIX Threads with '-pthread'... yes > configure: creating ./config.status > config.status: creating config.mak.autogen > > > and then run 'make' ... > > "Makefile", line 206: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 244: Missing dependency operator > "Makefile", line 247: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 250: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 273: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 286: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 395: Need an operator > > (snip about 8 or 10 PAGES of the above) > > "Makefile", line 1293: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 1294: warning: duplicate script for target "ifdef" ignored > "Makefile", line 1295: warning: duplicate script for target "ifdef" ignored > "Makefile", line 1296: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 1298: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 1301: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 1303: Missing dependency operator > "Makefile", line 1305: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 1307: Missing dependency operator > "Makefile", line 1309: Need an operator > Error expanding embedded variable. > > > So ... what in the world is going on here ? > > Maybe gmake? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:02:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB61106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1979B8FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so341037ewy.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:02:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=k1twwdsKPQ4gqXP7S+t31Lb3TInBey7FgbKVkjnFsNg=; b=MVqc1nfCaxsG1PlVZnMvc9PPpkXft/dShBIrjJ3VyYej8q8Nr1jCrs0l1/X7lGwYnH 4HBDn7L7QLc6+J2IrBhoYLeS7tedVIbyt4sRIZxrcBB4Yzj8XXBSCRuDiSFp0ASHu5nq Ph/NY6KOWfJP2iQOhS4PuEmll5c4F4gAMp7W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=d4zrHKPsn71MIxalwkbDiZv7yalCUdsl+XvQEA1VARO0jpIdg504LvgM304xjdOu+Z tzCxg1IB414JGZlJJS485u+ibMN7J9awfSXbtLakTG1kf5aARnFohoSdml+dQHQ4axu5 0S8bT8DBQd5/Gr01+PdRpbNhiljxyKeyf4iJU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.85 with SMTP id z63mr3673657wee.129.1256695327876; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:02:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: George Sanders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: what is special about the 'git' Makefile ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:02:09 -0000 George Sanders wrote: >I've been doing this dance: You haven't been out on the floor nearly often enough, it seems. Better dust off those blue suede shoes. :) >../configure ; make ; make install >for about ten years now. Sometimes there are some little issues, but nothing too crazy. >I tried to build 'git' from source today, however, and it doesn't behave like anything I've >ever seen... >I do the ./configure and it completes without errors: ... >and then run 'make' ... >"Makefile", line 206: Need an operator >"Makefile", line 244: Missing dependency operator ... >So ... what in the world is going on here ? Er, you're using FreeBSD make(1) when you should be using GNU gmake? There is a FreeBSD Port for this software in devel/git, and even if you don't want to use it, the Makefiles and patches usually provide a good guide to modifications that you may need to make to get it to work on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:11:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A521065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CE98FC1F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so309056ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:11:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OSLcoV25l/Vg/nn0S50+dyVnaZ2/XTw85urw0hk2RYY=; b=VfDXpD6F/+AvHPZnSmxrmKtUGhwH2NskKTxnDrH/wG3IcR0GlO95RmrcsDhoN4x8W4 mqd7ZrjwR83ihmrdAfxBPt1Gifc1bXF2X2zlWUgnxSktnDVw6J6JnAPkdoYzxraiMJCz vjLFKuZ9iSOEdNvWmpugV3z3ZIc9DrUI4M4x8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vHZl4C/5ahkP7w3UT80ooPAbXJ2o2V8CBQKAIfPAkNnwyw69nUbrMJXWeneHwXVmip 57RyGDClmPUvE6fX0caIwJBXcx2ZWbQxVzFytsLnqxTT/Gbf5HGGcdkDSHNkRMWOcbof uvBVQYMNaBSLz6DY+VUzoWzKxGTfaU5ihVSQg= Received: by 10.91.126.10 with SMTP id d10mr5495939agn.70.1256695877592; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aryeh-desktop.istudentunion.com (ool-44c0cd7a.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.205.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm238023yxf.59.2009.10.27.19.11.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11:15 -0400 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:11:18 -0000 I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic" bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or /etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2 right now}]? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:14:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B73106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-10.bnguk.net (atmail-10.bnguk.net [80.74.253.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157498FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-10.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N2y3G-0006lR-Bw; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:18 +0000 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE9D84AC1B; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:17 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:14:34 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > [snippage] > > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > > for wanting to replace it. > > Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, > OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal > preference? > I'll speculate as to the reasons: NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their choice out of ports. That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. > > ////jerry > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:16:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F1F1065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2D68FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so311739ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=17EqAQY548NCGivt8pm/usGCI9DmpnCcVTNlGo5XxOE=; b=axWweZSQBwFjAxEZGxyUQC8QQ5ApnErNONJlH3c9mAi7jsuAeWe8BT8QRq3Ke5VLB1 gpLD++93yu9NRRgfpFNp83rvpPuwtEzzBN2XiGcxQ3ugaweJxL9FotoTQdVCsIXu77r0 hm+9Yvp0LM6zPSBRhX/KUiOEBYBgpUVIZmUUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SMs9emN4QUtQcLJd6/IASGrFSkZXlr2j9rPretrZOAmiJHDgOPgCQWahh1idc8UneL L1te0/OTh1Irx0LidysTOugcz41bbf6KOR5mvON1XDuWRwQKaK+h3zc9DMZbpmbMxoAa Jy0D46tl/6nQP+O95R7SskPinE6ELctoHCpFw= Received: by 10.91.161.31 with SMTP id n31mr11065969ago.29.1256696189718; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aryeh-desktop.istudentunion.com (ool-44c0cd7a.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.205.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm243086yxh.13.2009.10.27.19.16.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE7A97B.6020700@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:16:27 -0400 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jack L." References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:16:30 -0000 Jack L. wrote: > I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just > installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot > manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD > I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-) > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman > wrote: > >> I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when >> I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and >> after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use >> EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic" >> bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or >> any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? >> >> Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista >> partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or >> /etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead >> of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2 >> right now}]? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:27:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAAD106568B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B2F8FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so238149qyk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:27:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cbmWYYcnjmcSrXgel9Xj1Fv57QuaZF8F47Ki7JKTUSU=; b=mIIEDr2c2JTphWeZpqKItzAy2Z1CRcAdUVbRHaucjywFs8R+lNibFvKTrchd/d6l94 qsccpHPOEmWgAKs7e58FIZE1lYij5PDSVZ2NVFumkwEGKWSjWz1KZaIqfp9h0Fz41oZE JYwlLGFSCuimsnU2hT75WpB+elYwTI9m5fQ8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tjX6dP+GnqCnMeMfPyJvTcCkWhDZctAwRURFJuj960BolEOxOTS01h3HTwoO6G+jvk h6QhvNrDffpn/CJFuUlzsOHjiHzQII1oOOBNjuh4qwSKRRI3WYGPDXksG8szoQ+qdO0m iRhR3cZhuuWF7oQhmYeRoPbjC/34lbo9POaSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.9.147 with SMTP id l19mr906132qcl.65.1256696335138; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:18:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE7A97B.6020700@gmail.com> References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> <4AE7A97B.6020700@gmail.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:18:35 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:27:14 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Jack L. wrote: >> >> I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just >> installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot >> manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD >> > > I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-) >> Oh, then you can just boot up the freebsd cd and then just install the freebsd boot manager after installing windows 7. >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... >>> when >>> I installed vista I had to =C2=A0do some =C2=A0boot manager tricks (bot= h before and >>> after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use >>> EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's >>> "magic" >>> bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues >>> and/or >>> any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? >>> >>> Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista >>> partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/o= r >>> /etc/fstab =C2=A0after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g >>> instead >>> of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on >>> RC2 >>> right now}]? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:30:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291AE106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A578FC19 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so318908ywh.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:30:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9zVjk66J4pq2bjKh7CNTcPcz8/KSVHlfijFlTIvwS4s=; b=MZfkM9Poc4pdbCyX4JLrx2fErUHo7L3n4OqlYknMg37Q4E8HOM+0etnuLU/bYKKQGx UcGDg3QV9FoQwP6z/JVPh1ipqU45mJ0D70/R/bYU+BajxdaA4Mn4nrLHcNYQmvxAEYFl NScvzFt0NPccPW48pxRfdhLlM6uVYegH4PLGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MulvVgnSC8QcJCYmIX4SfDXjbK6BxjM+hV9KbY1hH5gdspiTSY10V8VkyK7fBQkaqX jcilDvWC95qIZDE2lZV1yM6cbS+CbjV4HO+NRXdxN0sflcIJmcKK2QOZOYkEYVC+UHx+ gjeDvAPdtPuCmuDS5rd5nUoSgPPR6U6a4oi1Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.251.27 with SMTP id y27mr27989983ybh.227.1256697031164; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:30:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:30:31 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: Frank Shute , Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:30:32 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >> >> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: >> > [snippage] >> >> > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason >> > for wanting to replace it. >> >> Let me get this straight .. that means that =A0every Linux distro, NetBS= D, >> OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal >> preference? >> > > I'll speculate as to the reasons: > > NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. > > OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. > > Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. > > RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. > > FreeBSD: ? > > I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. > > Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced > with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and > not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their > choice out of ports. > > That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. > yea i like where you are going with this frank - perhaps when opensmtpd is done we'll be in the position to import this into the freebsd tree? it sounds like it might fit the bill :) -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:40:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9481065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:40:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xxjack12xx@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0968FC1F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so99087qwb.7 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:40:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W259BqQWXGcyUbNbg8wNXrD2qimoEEjAgI9IqQ8vYsU=; b=TC/vyGio7NtIWl7gKPKzOw+/nXv6Yl33UijaKbFtGWP7kEXKenBa9ZeEWLjlImh7WH Stw5RPK8zQIVyVRPR7ltxgb4rVnOiq7NMW2YNcz/UOggDn/a+OFcBfZSrrXx90/5pMhP sqtuG7XnkeYL/PkDz7EDWNwamLL+/oJRvDUY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mZ8KvJkfwd+GRkE9+NMX6Ut/2auJwSCIayckfxbgGzmmuDjdSKOXqxR8/ZCEwcohlu O4YEmkKzoKiemcIzOPkvo1HRrGPRyoWjzroImweJKibj9tyX0xOK/uQC06pXv1EGEMLN jldETrlQewRFSomYDMmO9ghysbtLnGpRa3Of8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.18.140 with SMTP id w12mr719272qca.77.1256696082159; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> From: "Jack L." Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:14:22 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:40:24 -0000 I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... w= hen > I installed vista I had to =C2=A0do some =C2=A0boot manager tricks (both = before and > after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use > EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magi= c" > bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/= or > any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? > > Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista > partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or > /etc/fstab =C2=A0after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g i= nstead > of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on R= C2 > right now}]? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 02:56:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236E1065695 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B6D8FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:56:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS700FIRC1ME770@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE796AB.8000108@videotron.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> In-reply-to: <1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:56:11 -0000 Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Ok... supose you use FreeBSD 7.2 P3 (last version) but the RELEASE > should work too.. > > supose you use AMD64.... > > 1) compile a custom kernel with SEM (semaphore enable) > (sem_enable=YES) in the loader.conf > 2) deinstall all linux stuff, remove the /compat/linux from the > system, deinstall all pkg with linux.... > 3) supose you will choose the basics... that is linux fc4 > 4) mount the /proc and linprocfs in fstab > linproc /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw,noauto 0 0 > proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 > 5) install portmaster (recomended) > 6) portmaster -Bdg www/linuxpluginwrapper > 7) portmaster -Bdg www/linux-flashplugin9 > 8) mount -a (this will mount the /proc and linprocfs > 9) nspluginwapper -v -a -i > 10 ) if you are using epiphany..... cd > /usr/local/lib/epiphany/2.26/plugins;ln -s > /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/*.so . > 11) make sure linux module is on the kernel...... > 12) run browser and type about:plugins (this will show you the > plugin running).... > > > This sure works... > The installation on the Acer travelmate 4400 turion 64bid was quite simple - just following instructions I found for installing flashplayer9 ... it went without a problem The problem is on 7.2 p4 if I'm not mistaken on i386 - as I said, I was able to install flashplayer9 and all went well, but the something happened and I don't know what... now it is impossible to install any flashplayer... I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file "freetype.so.6" cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... the fine name may not be correct as I don't have it in front of me... but then, where is this shared file supposed to be? The setups for the flashplayer are such a ridiculous mess that I can only laugh...There are obviously conflicts or something screwing things up from other programs like gimp or ImageMagic or gstreamers or some such stuff... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 03:04:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F859106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@pldrouin.net) Received: from smtp.cyberfingers.net (smtp.cyberfingers.net [198.177.254.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2F68FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdaemon.pldrouin.net (CPE0023695b905f-CM001a666aca96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.246.67.95]) by smtp.cyberfingers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D89DAB6C11 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4AE7B4B2.4090304@pldrouin.net> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:04:18 -0400 From: Pierre-Luc Drouin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How to display back trace automatically after seg fault? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:04:27 -0000 Hi, How can I make FreeBSD to display automatically the backtrace of an executable after a segmentation fault (the same way Linux does it)? I prefer this option by default rather than a core dump. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 04:55:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90ED9106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669108FC1D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id D01D416B56C; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:55:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.83]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FB1E16B58F; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:54:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: pete wright , Jonathan McKeown , utisoft@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:55:01 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: >> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >> language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why >> people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, >> let's go past this one more time: >> >> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" >> >> Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? >> >> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable >> without a port, why isn't it a port? > > Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: > > $ which m4 > /usr/bin/m4 Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it will bite if I leave it alone. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 05:45:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718DE106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8908FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so426651ewy.43 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:45:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=PnWg9RgiGqnSLM4yeyPd821Me+/wL9N+xpNLEVuDoUk=; b=UIkeX8m67q2vl340MDa6arQPy4zvUVe3IwR42q4npQpu9kltKHDLGapIbdprFPI01l FsCxmWCriDZt98L9Wea/yZBJTHMT6Az3vUuaS/FlM0STDelwawqV60zDEvs1xPhNtIyo dnE3Sb/wooOydp977OVjHfXuo4v0/uAOaUYH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wSse8TloIjC3OezW3RepDujlXSG9NCqg2YlA5auSjVqpt3ypkpxeQE99FP6AvQ7e8r 0wPFHKcHhLYQDM89x9Gf02TBTpy1D/y8wUoVGEN3fkbaxfA+K2uQx2lNmheJTlKGot1x tZWwMER9PbPB2JLfqwhp555tG8OFVCj/AjjFE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.65 with SMTP id d43mr2627265wef.41.1256708732835; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:45:32 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:45:34 -0000 Lars Eighner wrote: >Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as >an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it >will bite if I leave it alone. The GNU version of m4 is a FreeBSD Port, devel/m4. The base system m4(1) was originally based on BSD 4.4 Lite m4, and then on a modified version from OpenBSD. It is supposed to be standards-compliant, but it does not support all GNU m4 extensions, so it is not used as often as devel/m4 is in Ports. So your package database is probably okay in this regard. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 07:10:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866601065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657A68FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9S7AeGT027660; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:10:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:10:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910280710.n9S7AeZw027659@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: bf1783@googlemail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:10:42 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." wrote: >Scott Bennet wrote: > >There haven't been much changes in the infrastructure of these two >ports recently, so any problems are probably arising from changes in >the distfiles, or problems in your base system or the ports that are >used to build and install lang/gcc4X. I'm running 7.2-STABLE. With one exception, I do not alter the contents of the ports tree manually. That exception is either math/atlas or math/atlas-devel, depending upon which I install. After installing 7.2 several months ago, I installed math/atlas-devel, which built properly all by itself without requiring any of the manual tweaking that earlier versions had required, so since switching from 6.3-STABLE to 7.2-STABLE, I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in "make deinstall && make reinstall" or some other standard use of make for a port). After seeing both lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 fail in exactly the same way, and then seeing another port fail in what appeared to be a similar way a few days later, I resorted to a "portsnap fetch extract" in case something in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow. Rerunning portmaster afterward yielded the same results. > >> >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Starting check for runtime dependencies >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Gathering dependency list for lang/gcc43 from ports >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Starting dependency check >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: converters/libiconv >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: math/libgmp4 >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Checking dependency: math/mpfr >>=3D=3D=3D>>> Dependency check complete for lang/gcc43 >> > >>/bin/rm -f /usr/local/man/man7/fsf-funding.7 /usr/local/man/man7/gfdl.7 /= >usr/local/man/man7/gpl.7 > >Something is very wrong here. portmaster should now be running 'make >install', but the build transcript shows messages of the post-install >target first, and then messages of the do-install target afterwards. >Obviously this is going to lead to problems if it represents the true >order in which commands were executed. Did you mangle the transcript, >or does it faithfully represent the order in which things occurred? The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you. Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however. >If the latter, are you running a parallel build? If so, don't. Try I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade. If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too. >starting from scratch, using only a single make job at any given time. >Start from a clean WRKDIR, and remove portmaster from consideration, >by using a simple 'make deinstall clean install' (backup your existing >lang/gcc4X installation first if you so desire with 'pkg_create -b'.) portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the ports in question. >What happens? > Surprise, surprise! It worked for lang/gcc43, which proceeded through a successful installation. I also tried the same for lang/gcc44, and it, too, built and installed successfully. Thank you very much for the suggestion. I cannot begin to imagine why it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade. I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now possible thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple "-x" arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that worked in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this for a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed by portmaster or portupgrade, however. I guess next I'll try running portmaster as shown above and see what else might fail, now that I have two and a half weeks of ports updates accumulated but not yet processed. :-) Thanks again for the suggestion! Scott Bennett, Comm. 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John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 08:17:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D2A1065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE928FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9S8GoJe028303; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:16:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:16:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910280816.n9S8Gocq028302@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Michael Powell Cc: Alexander Best Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:17:47 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:21 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: >Scott Bennett wrote: > > >>>> Alexander Best wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: >>>>> >>>>>>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 >>>>> >>>>>>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that >>>>>>> address. >[snip] > >Perhaps the easiest direct solution is to bookmark > >https://permail.uni-muenster.de/ in the browser bookmarks instead of > >http://permail.uni-muenster.de/ > If he wants to apply the HTTPS requirement only to a particular page (e.g., the home page) at a web site, that *might* work. OTOH, there may be points of failure, such as this example in the page whose URL is shown above. Depending upon a bookmark would also fail to apply the restriction to any links to other pages at the same site that the user might click on on the page. It also ignores the many dozens (hundreds?) of security problems that are fixed/blocked by plug-ins like NoScript and Torbutton. Once NoScript has been installed, it is plenty easy, as I outlined previously, to apply such a restriction to an entire web site or to all web sites in a given domain. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 08:40:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B470106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2068F8FC17 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9S8e5og028496; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:40:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:40:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910280840.n9S8e5sG028495@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gonzalo Nemmi Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:40:38 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:12 -0200 Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: >On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: >> Jonathan McKeown wrote: >> > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of >> > the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or >> > are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? >> >> This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate >> what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a >> remnant from history? > >Dear Erik: > >Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's >just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: Just so. >1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA >2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA >3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base >4) telling the OP about "historical reason" This item has been neglected thus far in the current iteration of this topic. The *historical* distinction that places sendmail squarely in the base system and also relegates all other MTAs to ports is this: sendmail was written for, and has been part of, BSD UNIX since the earliest TCP/IP releases of BSD UNIX (4.1BSD or perhaps even 4.0cBSD), whereas the rest were not and have not been. >5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason >behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default >MTA "for historical reasons". > >Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same >question. > And George Santayana's famous dictum may well apply even in this case. :) Scott Bennett, Comm. 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John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 09:19:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B26B1065693 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EF78FC18 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so519463ewy.43 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:19:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cdWV+52Clppq2+Veb6zpDQZTgXlPqOnjqwFxdVrHoZU=; b=i9bRTExvD65vNjF7R/Rervv0c1Nk1XeigjH3SK8+XvqefeEFYi8qs9zJDGJJM+tztW ozB4rVsWSCA1d21PaE8zWbRrq2S/lHYe+jjS5PxiL7PA7BYWcumeLCSx4vc9j97+K8sM 6N0+kIg5YL2tuHxlQXvOf7+5U4x1OjLpVp/wU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=aMTtwseCyI0ZSNfWPO60Q08ySvrWfkVyNCB/nBBxa32dhfloknWdGqj31PmXVubUJ2 KQBIXzGe6bMIaC6trethVLWxZw5u1ORyUr/dJDBxK4Z3LqOqXf3ZqizjDdhKXeIMJtsp EO2dUNqKyQRcjgYWPE+Fgc1CWRQIoGXuZ4ePE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.65 with SMTP id d43mr2688779wef.41.1256721548505; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:19:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910280710.n9S7AeZw027659@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <200910280710.n9S7AeZw027659@mp.cs.niu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Scott Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:10 -0000 On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." > wrote: >>Scott Bennet wrote: ... > > With one exception, I do not alter the > contents of the ports tree manually. ... > I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any > changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of > portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in "make deinstall && make > reinstall" ... > I resorted to a "portsnap fetch extract" in case something > in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow. Right, I wasn't suggesting it was necessarily due to local changes to the Ports tree, although on the face of it that was possible, but that it may also have failed because, once in a while, binaries and other files belonging to the base system or ports get corrupted, and malfunction. This is usually due to hardware problems, user error, and occasionally, an OS or third-party software bug. The lang/gcc4? ports are lengthy and demanding builds, and are among the most likely to fail if such problems exist. ... > The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where > a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which > contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you. > Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however. You may want to save it, so that it will be available if anyone decides to try to track down the problem. > > I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade. > If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears > to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too. > If parallel builds are not disabled in a port Makefile, or by you, and you have a multiple-cpu or multiple-core machine, then ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk uses: # Multiple make jobs support .if defined(DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS) || defined(MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE) _MAKE_JOBS= # .else .if defined(MAKE_JOBS_SAFE) || defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS) MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus` _MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER} .if defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS) BUILD_FAIL_MESSAGE+= "You have chosen to use multiple make jobs (parallelization) for all ports. This port was not tested for this setting. Please remove FORCE_MAKE_JOBS and retry the build before reporting the failure to the maintainer." .endif .endif .endif to do a parallel build. Since this feature is relatively new, and people are occasionally finding that it breaks port builds, then it is an obvious thing to try disabling in a case like this, where you have a demanding build, and some evidence that things are being done out of the proper order. In the future, you can disable this feature for a build by setting DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes on the make command line, in the build environment, or in /etc/make.conf, e.g.: .if${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/lang/gcc44*} DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes .endif > > portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the > ports in question. Ok. I don't use portmaster often, but portupgrade will often restore an old installation of the port from the backup package automatically after a failure. ... > I cannot begin to imagine why > it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade. Occasionally a port exposes a bug in portmaster or portupgrade. This may be such a case, especially since Doug Barton made some recent changes to portmaster. But the most common reason for failure is that many ports, to enable easy maintenance, use sloppy flags like LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib or CPPFLAGS=-I${LOCALBASE}/include, that may lead them to link against the older, already installed versions of themselves, or to include old versions of their own headers if they are present in the system. So it's always safer to deinstall a port _before_ attempting to build it, or to build the port in a clean sandbox as is done on many package-building clusters. portmaster and portupgrade choose not to do this, in order to shorten the process of recovering from a failed build, and to minimize the time during which a piece of software is unavailable to users, and this can lead to problems. I don't say that this happened in this case, but it is a possibility. > I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the > "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now possible > thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple "-x" > arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that worked > in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this for > a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed by > portmaster or portupgrade, however. You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a /var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of a pain to manage large updates -- you may be better off fashioning your own tool. You could, for example, decide on a list of ports to update, and then determine the ports that depend upon them, and sort the lot into dependency order via: pkgdb -L (to be sure the pkgdb has got the dependency graph right) pkg_glob -r | pkg_sort > /tmp/updatelist Now you could just feed this sorted update list to your own updating script, or use one of the existing tools. For example, if you wanted to use portupgrade, assuming that lang/gcc44 is midway down the update list, and you've got lang/gcc44 in HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf: sed -n '1,/gcc-4.4/p' /tmp/updatelist | xargs portupgrade --batch -cfuv cd /tmp && pkg_create -b gcc-4.4* && make -C /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 deinstall clean install && make -C /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 clean sed -n '/gcc-4.4/,$p' /tmp/updatelist | xargs portupgrade --batch -cfuv and youi've done the update in only a few steps. If you place it in a script, it will be even easier. With portmaster, using -a, -f, or -r, you could try interrupting or pausing the build at lang/gcc44, rebuilding that port by hand, and then resuming the build, with -R and the other appropriate flags if necessary. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 09:54:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4921065694 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AFC8FC1B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so540707ewy.43 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:54:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=D9PfpVhHLL8142IPyhH+2wjDoCOiXJFb1CqZTNQiMXw=; b=FjthlAcuWYDc8PIWXl3b+h151iXOaEhRASXyi6g6EhpHmGHUrJSAeQRtEm8wsSGqYi WZhH0Wpr3Uz5JPumLB3QiHmZrEDTEE/miLlFWaI0db4thuC1zcCtxW67XbfxqsHw6bot gkiELZ8Y88/D3Qb9fvJviE0cZp+C8pko6OxT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=w9/WIuWJ/JnkPku4htHETSqt7+j+lLHAr/bN37VUEB77L+oSd7IZxWac/QpUUiHyfK vqmL5P4OiJ2uVxPTIzDiFTzkVlcffaL+gw7fFn4TYvBCuCej0S7TZln7l8K3P2GBsphX EdVkNLwr3xAqG/mHbX3z4W3TFCTskBZZgZa/Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.4 with SMTP id k4mr3120687wef.155.1256723641129; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: freebsd@t41t.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:02 -0000 >> > Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. >> >> Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) >> after investigating the "NO_PROFILE" option in /etc/make.conf. > >There's only a PERL_VERSION in make.conf. Since sysinstall doesn't work >(this is -p4, not a base media install), how does one go about installing >proflibs? I didn't see anything related to proflibs in the csup files. If no corresponding binary distribution is available, and /usr/lib/libgcc_p.a and the other profiled libraries are not installed on your system, then you'll have to build them from source. Install the proper versions of the base system sources, if you don't already have them. Make sure that WITHOUT_PROFILE, NO_PROFILE, and NOPROFILE are not defined in your build environment, or in any included makefiles like /etc/make.conf or /etc/src.conf, and that MK_PROFILE is not defined to be "no" in those places, either. Then rebuild and reinstall world and kernel, as described in /usr/src/UPDATING. Or, if you know what you're doing, you can build and install only the needed libraries by hand. Most of the profiled libraries are automatically built along with their non-profiled counterparts by commands in /usr/share/mk/bsd.lib.mk. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 09:54:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41898106568B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7898FC21 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CA068323; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:53:42 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20091028095342.00000940@unknown> In-Reply-To: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2cvs15 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:57 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11:15 -0400 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista > partition... when I installed vista I had to do some boot manager > tricks (both before and after install)... namely I had to allow > windows to nuke my mbr then use EasyBCD to remake it in such a way > that vista would still find it's "magic" bytes in the mbr... does > anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or any other > weirdness in reguards to dual booting? EasyBCD still works, but you'll need to register on the site and download the beta of 2.0 from the forums - the 1.x version won't work. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 05:35:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220DC106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C4D8FC1B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-70-227.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.227]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9S5ZF60055412; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:35:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4AE7D80E.10406@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:35:10 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eighner References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:17:55 +0000 Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , pete wright , Jonathan McKeown , utisoft@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:35:33 -0000 Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner >> wrote: >>> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >>> language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why >>> people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, >>> let's go past this one more time: >>> >>> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn >>> m4!" >>> >>> Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? >>> >>> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable >>> without a port, why isn't it a port? >> >> Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: >> >> $ which m4 >> /usr/bin/m4 > > Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows > m4 as > an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it > will bite if I leave it alone. > > %whereis m4 m4: /usr/bin/m4 /usr/share/man/en.ISO8859-1/man1/m4.1.gz /usr/src/usr.bin/m4 It's not a package. If you want to fix it pkgdb -F From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 05:43:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D451065679 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB1E8FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-70-227.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.227]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n9S5hKhm055502; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:43:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4AE7D9F3.6030804@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:43:15 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: slrn/1.0.8 (FreeBSD) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eighner References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:26:25 +0000 Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , pete wright , Jonathan McKeown , utisoft@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:43:31 -0000 Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner >> wrote: >>> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >>> language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why >>> people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, >>> let's go past this one more time: >>> >>> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn >>> m4!" >>> >>> Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? >>> >>> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable >>> without a port, why isn't it a port? >> >> Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: >> >> $ which m4 >> /usr/bin/m4 > > I wonder how that happened, Too much alcohol? > how to fix it, cd /usr/ports/devel/m4 && make deinstall > and if it will bite if I leave it alone. No one will ever know that From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 11:52:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCC41065679 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4D38FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FEA3C5E3; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SBqFMk001645; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:15 +0100 From: Polytropon To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= Message-Id: <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:52:19 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Micha=EBl Gr=FCnewald wrote: > (I feel sorry for the very poor english I demonstrated in the message I=20 > wrote this morning: I was in a hurry!) Don't mind, many user here aren't native speakers, but are still completely good to understand. > I have backups of the data contained in the broken, so the data on this=20 > disc are not a concern. So then: Goodbye, cruel hard disk, it's over... and let it fly. :-) > I have however a question: How do I verify that=20 > a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad=20 > sectors as long as possible? I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is=20 a good tool for such verification. As far as I understood, it can read internal error logs from the firmware. > As the other contributors join their voices > to yours, I will replace the faulty disk ASAP. Best choice, especially because you don't need to run the hard disk in order to get the data back. Oh backups are such a fine thing, I wish I had some. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 12:05:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742BB106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CEF8FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789043CA7F; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:05:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SC5pPR001692; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:05:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:05:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091028130551.3dc81066.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE796AB.8000108@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE796AB.8000108@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions , Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:05:53 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ wrote: > I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with > flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so > cannot be started because a shared file "freetype.so.6" cannot be > found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some > number like that... In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from generic names, such as /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ -> libfreetype.so.9 If a program requires freetype, it requests the library function and tells the dynamic linker if it requires a certain version. If this version is not available, the linker throws an error. You can check if the link structures are correct by performing a ll (often = ls -laFG) on the specific file in /usr/local/lib. If the structures are not present, or a library is missing, maybe you need to update the requested facility; in this case, it may be neccessary to update freetype or even the whole X subsystem... > the fine name may not be correct as I don't have it > in front of me... but then, where is this shared file supposed to be? Libraries of third party software go in /usr/local/lib. For some packages that install in the "/opt fashion", they are located in /usr/local//lib. The linker has to be notified to search such paths. > The setups for the flashplayer are such a ridiculous mess that I can > only laugh... A "modern technique" that requires me to jump around in such a way is not worth that I am using it. Imagine you would need to do this to enable displaying PNG images or formatiing text paragraph-wise in a web browser... And some funny people call "Flash" a standard! :-) And when I think that "Flash" is mostly abused to make the web inaccessible, to display ads (or even just images), then... no, thank you. If a content designer (ab)uses "Flash" to make his web site unaccessible to you (as a person who uses the FreeBSD operating system and its programs), he doesn't want you to see the web site, it's that simple. I'm going to have "fun" with "Flash" soon on my 8.0-RC testing system, so I closely follow such discussions and the included batteries, erm, advices. :-) > There are obviously conflicts or something screwing things > up from other programs like gimp or ImageMagic or gstreamers or some > such stuff... Yes, there seems to be a defective library dependency, mostly due to incomplete updates. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 12:37:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7F5106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681758FC2F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9SCauTH031071; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:36:57 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9SCauTH031071 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256733417; bh=vChV0G2VgpToni2lswNmeVsV7rA/nJvG2E+z/HaaVgg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE83AE2.4090909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2028=20Oct=202009=2012:36:50=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Polytropon=20|CC:=20PJ=20,=20=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions=20,=0D=0A=20Sergio=20de=20Almeida=20Lenzi=20|Subject:=20Re:=20flashplugin|References:=20<4AE3944A.409 0602@videotron.ca>=20<20091025062322.GA985@sandcat>=09<4AE63986.60 90106@videotron.ca>=09<20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.n et>=09<1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo>=09<4AE7696F.10306 01@videotron.ca>=09<1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo>=09< 4AE796AB.8000108@videotron.ca>=20<20091028130551.3dc81066.freebsd@ edvax.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20091028130551.3dc81066.freebsd@edvax.de >|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B =20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-sign ature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig11AB8247D2ECC6B9A2DD 568F"; b=jfvNLTJrIRJ0MiPWnbtZCCqXLUOZTb08g5D4zh6xQngFlw6Z/85b0qVW472bVURYU gvbMjLhE8yl/xRLdC/2fmFlRhYl71nZaCZe2LtZ5rOTsF+2CFqsYGYepmg+5EGs4vz 7qk38uWRUusLpthir6ZgL7S/ee/Aa4rumMxulG7E= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE83AE2.4090909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:36:50 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <1256683045.6414.44.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE796AB.8000108@videotron.ca> <20091028130551.3dc81066.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028130551.3dc81066.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig11AB8247D2ECC6B9A2DD568F" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: PJ , freebsd-questions , Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:37:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig11AB8247D2ECC6B9A2DD568F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ wrote:= >> I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with >> flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so >> cannot be started because a shared file "freetype.so.6" cannot be >> found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some >> number like that...=20 >=20 > In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from > generic names, such as=20 >=20 > /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ -> libfreetype.so.9 >=20 In this case, the missing library is almost certainly /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 which works by the Linux rules -- so the library the app tries to link against is libfreetype.so.6, which is a link to libfreetype.so.6.3.18.=20 I'm fairly confident that this is the case, because the FreeBSD native Freetype library is=20 /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9 Completely different ABI version number, unlike what the OP posted. To the OP: that shlib comes from the linux_base-f10-10_2 package on my machine, so unless you're missing chunks of that package you should have it. Use 'pkg_info -g linux_base\*' to see if any of the package contents= have got lost or scrambled. It will probably tell you that /compat/linux= /etc/ld.so.cache doesn't match the original checksum, but that's normal, as that file is modified whenever you install any other linux shl= ibs. Further more, the linux ld.so.cache file should contain a record for libf= reetype: % /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep freetype libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) =3D> /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 You should be able to rebuild it by # /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -v -n /lib /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig11AB8247D2ECC6B9A2DD568F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkroOugACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxwoACgiUnsjjh0wIZJ7xZQnOvuZ8nh 568AniRfzMq9H/UPY5FPK5LnSoXMdVN5 =Ztzi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig11AB8247D2ECC6B9A2DD568F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 12:53:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D46C106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73EC68FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17560 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 12:53:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RgIBCh6D1Cwzrfg4r8Zin8ebDHtRZH7dsRjB5ICH4ML6f3J9YrCMP/Rnp88MDzf0C7vuOsjqPLFhCaE+0tPvTF5SRTPFG1AsgNtCgjkVCyF/BfxcZ6C23/ih9Gu+XmUInaN0qxPZEpPw0P1BI7KjHPUhRLRd0SikeEYQKO4Z+mc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO elena.home) (afmcc@86.168.180.126 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 12:53:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: SW2apSyswBAt0gNRBekT9336f.by6cx.6GfQeJfVJ_9U X-YMail-OSG: FVS3jSoVM1kR7e3bq4Jh3B0SsN0haJZmLrTFeD4ij5JFhU0TtEdtNsO9ydkyk5mIhC3rAgYantziVpIVok5bGh5l0ysKdkYpsIf_B86nLTf1p42iWGQ83nIUPUHT0QSDr4yZ6_jHyHH7yjsFvT.7uThmjmCgRQdQGUFNEZywGH5OBZBVFNiINwPhw2.oPx3QY1QTgHIrS9tI.mJA78L.eH3t39Qs.d2yQnnNvvubYpKTF9D117wts1kRbXdx8v.Ksp35_7M_CQvyRwdLwyPUx10gtEeFxf7b2PPUjzsjwJk.OaKMVNoVJzaAgmd8W5eMWhvTY7_anpLh5BiGR1h5yJktTNE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +0000 From: Tony McC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> In-Reply-To: <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:19 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:43:11 -0500 PJ wrote: > I wish someone could explain to me why I am no longer able to install=20 > flashplugin ... none of the methods work for me on amy version... I > have literally tried them all.. > the latest was linux-f10 - I cleaned out all the linux stuff, > umounted the proc sytem cleaned out everything I could find related > (?) to linux and reinstalled. No go, no way, Jos=E9! > I did catch some kind of warning that flashed by on the screen about=20 > Glib - seems to be gstreamer related...??? and the only thing I can > find is the error message that flashplugin.so (or whatever the file > is) could not be loaded because shared file "libfreetype.so.6" could > not be found... and the only libfreetype.so.6 file on the s;ystem is=20 > ...so.6.something.something... > If the system is smart enought to not find the right file, it ought > to be smart enought to know where this file should be and to what it > is related... duh ! Hi PJ, I hope you won't take this the wrong way, it really isn't intended to be an insult, but looking at your posting history I seriously wonder if FreeBSD is for you. You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? You ask questions in a very random way, try things without any clear plan, and when given advice you seem to quickly move on to some other difficulty rather than getting used to one thing at a time. It does take time and effort to learn to use FreeBSD effectively, but once you have learned it (i.e., started to gain a deep understanding of how things work separately and together rather than just managing to fix things piecemeal without any real understanding) it works wonderfully with a huge range of hardware and software. If you do want to stick with FreeBSD it might be better if you just sat down with the Manual and read through systematically before trying to tweak things. But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a "please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD", it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD.=20 Best, Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 13:10:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E290106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2C98FC29 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F883CC06; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SDAPj6002120; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tony McC Message-Id: <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:10:28 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +0000, Tony McC wrote: > You seem to want everything to just work without > having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? > [...] > But my > guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a > Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a "please go away and let us get on > with using FreeBSD", it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion > you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In "Windows", things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises "Windows" for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working "Flash" plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of "strange" mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 13:55:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138CD1065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D5DB8FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26581 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 13:55:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oGTYg7e5RkTf3eaIhCQaTmwBg3Z4FwuYeAxCFZNGtV7GhRFV0P1V3b0ZbDWo3YJejwjhzBFIN3r27PYghIraE/iKozdvKmc2zsKbQ/po3J3CNYTR81kTdebf/FwoPGyTbG2cmibuwNuHMVabf0OrqjipcBD3IzxVBFOoZaz2b/U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO elena.home) (afmcc@86.168.180.126 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 13:55:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: SW2apSyswBAt0gNRBekT9336f.by6cx.6GfQeJfVJ_9U X-YMail-OSG: yi4OGBEVM1keO5yHJVyHa4ObO4tbzhSaVgOaNl.iyzLC_lbr1N.uXqerR..zfCwxZHwocyhwT_dEvPsPGvHh9kavZCLDAsvjLoNiaAqehMOT1G.muop7kqjpY8usespATJyFthjeIV3BH4E9MgVRVdmyYbyQ.7glVg64lQ9JeZ3d8mKPeXugPsW0yeY8RnJotbKnx3ZhPYwowe8B1gd4bkQXNyyUkQpuXZ.XYNp76L5UfmiBlbOdcAvWVyJNcP3IUIRv0YCT.ipPnxWA0ufpq_RDFGQqjRNlgmIL30K6kW6znIXbxc3ZtNrqaqJbB1Yc5qq2LvbLrjdGKzfh_88B_g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:55:49 +0000 From: Tony McC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028135549.2f706021@elena.home> In-Reply-To: <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:55:47 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > In "Windows", things don't work without thinking. The > misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that > other people have to deal with problems, while the > user praises "Windows" for its easyness of use. > > In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as > I know, they offer a working "Flash" plugin that can > be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested > this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply > isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's > not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) > > Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression > that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts > and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate > FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning > and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he > likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). > > When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, > with lots of "strange" mainframe knowledge), I had similar > trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became > my primary programming language, but the fact that I can > master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the > fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, > as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library > requirements can surely be such a step into the right > direction. It's not a state, it's a process. > > In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but > additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this > will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Hi Polytropon, thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried it. Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for everyone. Best, Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:01:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD66106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidmcdonald1@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC0A8FC28 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yCAC1c0010QkzPwAEDoa73; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:48:34 +0000 Received: from mcdonald-quad.comcast.net ([75.71.64.194]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yDoZ1c0014BTvgz8NDoZRg; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:48:34 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:48:16 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org From: David McDonald Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20091028140143.2DD66106568F@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: FreeBSD_RC2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:01:43 -0000 I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release for FreeBSD 8.0? thanks David McDonald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:13:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C894106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F82D8FC2F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:13:02 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS800EO4A5PB990@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Tony McC , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:13:03 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +0000, Tony McC wrote: > >> You seem to want everything to just work without >> having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? >> [...] >> But my >> guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a >> Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a "please go away and let us get on >> with using FreeBSD", it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion >> you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. >> > > In "Windows", things don't work without thinking. The > misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that > other people have to deal with problems, while the > user praises "Windows" for its easyness of use. > > In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as > I know, they offer a working "Flash" plugin that can > be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested > this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply > isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's > not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) > > Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression > that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts > and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate > FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning > and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he > likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). > > When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, > with lots of "strange" mainframe knowledge), I had similar > trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became > my primary programming language, but the fact that I can > master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the > fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, > as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library > requirements can surely be such a step into the right > direction. It's not a state, it's a process. > > In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but > additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this > will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. > Thank you for your support, Polytropon :-) You are quite right. And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the "normal" user's MS systems... OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I have been working with FreeBSD in limited ways since about 1997 (if I recall right). I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. The only reason I use MS is because most "normal" users use word, illustrator, photoshop. They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems.... So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. For instance, I have no problem installing FreeBSD, setting up and configuring apache, php, samba, cups, or most programs I use. Sometimes I see inquiries on the list and know what the problem is and would be happy to help someone but I am not secure enough to butt in. Yet I see that it is a simple solution... follow the instructions, read the manual, check the web and the man pages and you're likely to find the solutuion. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn and understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to tread there before you... and their help is really invaluable. Also, from the suggestions and solutions I have received on the list, I have learned many, many little tips and tricks that I would never have picked up without extensive digging. I really turn to the list when I have some problem about which I am not totally clear or have difficulty resolving. But then, I must admit, I don't really depend on the list as it is really very simple to fix the problems I have by just installing a fresh system and then setting up the programs and don't bother with fixing things just start all over... not very informative but easy to fix (maybe a bit time consuming) . As I have stated before, things like flashplugin have become a problem only after I started doing some other things like cloning and dump/restores. But I did set up flashplugin correctly on both 64bit and 32bit machines and it worked just fine... until I changed things while cloning. The 64 machine still works fine... and I'm sure I'll get the 32bit going as well; even if it means setting up a new system. Oh, well...enought palaver... back to the grind... and thanks for the help, again. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:18:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6146106568D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891B88FC32 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1486 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 14:18:53 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Oct 2009 14:18:53 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id AF292508A7; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Lars Eighner To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:18:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> (Lars Eighner's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:07 -0500 (CDT)") Message-ID: <44fx93y52r.fsf_-_@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: m4 (was Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18:54 -0000 Lars Eighner writes: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: >>> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >>> language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why >>> people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, >>> let's go past this one more time: >>> >>> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4!" >>> >>> Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? >>> >>> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable >>> without a port, why isn't it a port? >> >> Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: >> >> $ which m4 >> /usr/bin/m4 > > Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as > an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it > will bite if I leave it alone. The port one is the Gnu version. The base system one is the traditional one that goes back to the AT&T days, although it has been updated to meet POSIX. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:22:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A811065679 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B398FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SELUHp014647; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:21:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id n9SELUek014646; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:21:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:21:30 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20091028142130.GC13002@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> <4AE7A97B.6020700@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE7A97B.6020700@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "Jack L." Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:22:59 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:16:27PM -0400, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Jack L. wrote: > >I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just > >installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot > >manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD > > > > I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-) Sure. Then, probably doing as you said - install the Win7 and let it do its thing and then reinstall the FreeBSD MBR. You should probably be able to use the "Fixit" CD boot for that. I don't know EasyBCD, but if it worked before, it will probably work with this too. I don't think anything much has changed in that area. ////jerry > >On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman > > wrote: > > > >>I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... > >>when > >>I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and > >>after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use > >>EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's > >>"magic" > >>bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues > >>and/or > >>any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? > >> > >>Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista > >>partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or > >>/etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead > >>of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on > >>RC2 > >>right now}]? > >>_______________________________________________ > >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:26:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB602106568B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800CA8FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:26:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS8000JBAS5Y010@VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE84687.3070005@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:26:31 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Tony McC References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028135549.2f706021@elena.home> In-reply-to: <20091028135549.2f706021@elena.home> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:26:30 -0000 Tony McC wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > >> In "Windows", things don't work without thinking. The >> misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that >> other people have to deal with problems, while the >> user praises "Windows" for its easyness of use. >> >> In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as >> I know, they offer a working "Flash" plugin that can >> be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested >> this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply >> isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's >> not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) >> >> Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression >> that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts >> and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate >> FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning >> and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he >> likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). >> >> When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, >> with lots of "strange" mainframe knowledge), I had similar >> trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became >> my primary programming language, but the fact that I can >> master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the >> fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, >> as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library >> requirements can surely be such a step into the right >> direction. It's not a state, it's a process. >> >> In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but >> additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this >> will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. >> > > Hi Polytropon, > > thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a > master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that > progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only > PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I > stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try > to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose > I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms > of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I > certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a > reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning > systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD > way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something > more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried > it. > > Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can > come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for > everyone. > Hi Tony, I understand you POV but... I don't see why FreeBSD should not be for everyone. It sure would be great if we could lose MS and their associate mush. I see no reason why a FreeBSD user should have to become as master of the system. If the software is properly set up and maintained, there should be no need for huge techincal know-how. Your assumption is that the user should have enough knowledge to fix bugs or problems that are caused by technical errors and/or complexities. Isn't it a litttle absurd that often small updates to ports/progams cause huge problems in adapting to the new versions? Maybe that is an indication that the original concept of the port/proram was somewhat lacking and that just puts us right smack on a par with MS, Adobe and all the overbloated programs associated therewith. When FreeBSD programs are set up right and work fine it's a real delight... but when an update or small change blows things apart and you have to go back to "kindergarden" to learn a new universe... it's nt very comforting. Cheers. PJ=he not she .... heh...heh...heh :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 14:57:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578EB106568B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C6D8FC2B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N39xj-0000vL-Ac for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:23 +0100 Received: from pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.68.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:23 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:23 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:57:52 -0400 Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4AE73CCD.6050304@locolomo.org> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:57:25 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > >> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: >> > Jonathan McKeown wrote: >> > > Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of >> > > the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or >> > > are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? [snip] >> >> Dear Erik: >> >> Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's >> just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: >> 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA >> 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA >> 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base >> 4) telling the OP about "historical reason" >> 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason >> behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default >> MTA "for historical reasons". >> >> Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same >> question. Sounds like FAQ material. > I will add one more that covers it best. > Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to > get rid of it. Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been > fixed. > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > for wanting to replace it. > In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. > There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how > to do it. > > As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some > message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail > fills the bill. Some other could also, but since Sendmail works > just fine and is already there, then it is. > [snip] I'm no mail server guru, but I liked how one could fairly easily get a base configuration going of Sendmail by following the page in the Handbook. Once done Postfix could be installed from ports and it would Just Work, because it would adopt the Sendmail config. Tweaking can start from a known good configuration. This doesn't include addon complexities such as virtual domains and users, spam and anti-virus, etc., but I've always found it better to start with a functional base and add the additional stuff one thing at a time. Yes - I favor Postfix, but it may not be the right cup of tea for all situations. However, my own personal preference is to leave the Sendmail thingy the way it is. I still use Sendmail for some things. There's just too many other fish that need to be fried. It works, supplies basic necessary functionality as is, is largely trouble free these days, and easily replaced with some other personal preference should it be desired. The guy in charge also actively maintains the FreeBSD bits. Compare the way Sendmail works in FreeBSD with lets say, ahem, Adobe's Flash. Opposite ends of the spectrum. Just my $.02 for sure, but I like the "status quo" being what it is. Now returning to the painting of my bikeshed... :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:23:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0CB1065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77918FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c83-255-48-78.bredband.comhem.se ([83.255.48.78]:57232 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1N3AMS-00081d-48 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:22:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 27397 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 16:22:52 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2009 16:22:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 83862 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Oct 2009 16:22:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:22:52 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: David McDonald Message-ID: <20091028152252.GA83825@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20091028140143.2DD66106568F@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091028140143.2DD66106568F@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Originating-IP: 83.255.48.78 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1N3AMS-00081d-48. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1N3AMS-00081d-48 1e29713f37774d90f67e2ba81b80ebd9 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD_RC2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:23:04 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 07:48:16AM -0600, David McDonald wrote: > I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there > marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release > for FreeBSD 8.0? In general one should not assume that any Release or Release Candidate files available for download until the official announcment has gone out. (It has happened that a release had to be pulled at the last minute even after images had gone out to most mirrors, but before the official announcement.) In this particular case the official announcement for 8.0-RC2 has just been made so I guess any RC2 files found now are indeed the real deal. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:34:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FE2106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390EA8FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A494EB4754; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:45 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F24451B2; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:45 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRiJ9bf6bKpC; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:45 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F297B450C6; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9SFYhOT036351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9SFYeWI036350; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Lars Eighner References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:34:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> (Lars Eighner's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:07 -0500 (CDT)") Message-ID: <87y6mvv8fj.fsf_-_@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: pete wright , Jonathan McKeown , utisoft@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Two versions of m4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:46 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:07 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: >On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: >>> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >>> language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see >>> why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. >>> Really, let's go past this one more time: >>> >>> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn >>> m4!" >>> >>> Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? >>> >>> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable >>> without a port, why isn't it a port? >> >> Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: >> >> $ which m4 >> /usr/bin/m4 > > Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows > m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, > and if it will bite if I leave it alone. Some ports need the GNU version of `m4'. So they install a second copy of m4 in `/usr/local'. You should be able to see the ports that depend on GNU m4 with pkg_info. On my system this shows: : $ pkg_info -R m4\* : Information for m4-1.4.13,1: : : Required by: : automake-1.5_5,1 : automake-1.6.3_1 : automake-1.9.6_3 : bison-2.4.1,1 : autoconf-2.62 : automake-1.10.1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 13:31:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5861065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaseal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D418FC27 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so829201pwj.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:31:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UbB2nWJo/F4rvsZa5AcaiBMONFz8npEFt2dyBI2H9CI=; b=PNecjCMVLh5za01YOiaOrQTMlBK5SoP2VPWS1mDKU9YhZHx4PoRIAMJRKxiQOSOLej 0gdS3T26zpxymisSw0PGs5MuIQGV74GWlSchC18jUnOb7Yf0oMMQrk+d/ystJ8ZOkiK8 fWyNsicZe4AJ4av4NjTINXAMBXIOyzALPVe9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s03poktSl+1511iVw1iqpGYcoNn+hOtSxkzm5rRH5h2Zk8bzKa8HIgcQFbnoBxNIWJ NxABSaDJ7Q1aww9OB3pegOYrzKP1KKPXsQ1ZD2ZJGvSuh+T5YDAA3hRMt978cEhtL8l7 4EY62PGg3LeW9Ze4eohF7ND3H+w//ntWymMjw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.202.12 with SMTP id z12mr2173536rvf.112.1256735476167; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 06:11:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE7D9F3.6030804@bah.homeip.net> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> <20091027202430.X92294@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <87d448wamy.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091027234600.A93064@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <4AE7D9F3.6030804@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:11:16 -0400 Message-ID: <8dfae1c10910280611p80b4387na1af211503c952bc@mail.gmail.com> From: Walter Venable To: Bernt Hansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:15 +0000 Cc: Lars Eighner , pete wright , Giorgos Keramidas , Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:28 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote= : > > > Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: >> >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting >>>> language to configure it. =A0Other than personal profit I cannot see w= hy >>>> people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. =A0Really= , >>>> let's go past this one more time: >>>> >>>> "Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn >>>> m4!" >>>> >>>> Did you look at the link he offered? =A0How helpful is that? >>>> >>>> Beside which, m4 is a PORT. =A0So if sendmail is not configurable >>>> without a port, why isn't it a port? >>> >>> Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? =A0m4 is not a port: >>> >>> =A0$ which m4 >>> =A0/usr/bin/m4 >> >> I wonder how that happened, > > Too much alcohol? Really? See /usr/src/usr.bin/m4/Makefile From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:50:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E010656BF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidmcdonald1@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4CA8FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yCcr1c0020b6N64ACFqFBb; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:15 +0000 Received: from mcdonald-quad.comcast.net ([75.71.64.194]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id yFqD1c00B4BTvgz8PFqELj; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:14 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:49:56 -0600 To: Erik Trulsson From: David McDonald In-Reply-To: <20091028152252.GA83825@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20091028140143.2DD66106568F@hub.freebsd.org> <20091028152252.GA83825@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20091028155014.738E010656BF@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD_RC2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:50:14 -0000 Thank you for your reply. Now to try it out. David McDonald At 09:22 AM 10/28/2009, Erik Trulsson wrote: >On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 07:48:16AM -0600, David McDonald wrote: > > I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there > > marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release > > for FreeBSD 8.0? > >In general one should not assume that any Release or Release Candidate files >available for download until the official announcment has gone out. (It has >happened that a release had to be pulled at the last minute even after >images had gone out to most mirrors, but before the official announcement.) > >In this particular case the official announcement for 8.0-RC2 has just been >made so I guess any RC2 files found now are indeed the real deal. > > > > >-- > >Erik Trulsson >ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:52:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BEA10656A8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43398FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N3Ap8-0005Y6-DP for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:52:34 +0100 Received: from pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net ([68.239.68.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:52:34 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:52:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:53:08 -0400 Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-68-239-68-152.res.east.verizon.net Sender: news Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:52:46 -0000 Michaël Grünewald wrote: [snip] > > I have backups of the data contained in the broken, so the data on this > disc are not a concern. I have however a question: How do I verify that > a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad > sectors as long as possible? > [snip] As Polytropon indicated the smartctl commands for testing contained within the smartmontools port will extract the error logs from within the drive's firmware. There are two modes you can select from (basically a long and a short) that you can execute "now" at a command prompt. It can also be run as a daemon for continual monitoring. The data returned is somewhat arcane and can be semi difficult to interpret. There are various levels of usability which can vary by hardware. Some RAID controllers may get in the way of direct communication to some hard drives. Other controllers, as you go up the 'expensive high dollar' ladder will often do built-in SMART monitoring and will beep and/or send emails when it detects error conditions from a drive. Some even either contain, or have an external utility which provide a web based browser accessible view in real time. The purpose is to attempt to detect a drive that is about to fail. As far as the most basic level goes, you would look for numbers which indicate that the bad sector remap area has filled. Once this space gets filled any new bad sectors that develop can no longer be mapped out. This usually shows up in the operating system as some generic form of "unrecoverable read/write error" message and Bad Things begin to happen. I have not used Spinright in a very long time, but it may buy some life on such a drive. If it can clear the bad sector remap area after adjusting the remap table it can give new life to a drive. The same thing used to be possible on SCSI drives by running the low level format utility usually contained within the controller firmware. Such "fixes" should only be viewed as extremely temporary in nature, as the general pattern with regard to magnetic media failure is that once it starts to get bad spots it will keep on getting bad spots on a fairly regular basis afterwords. Interesting reading: http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/2008-06/openpdfs/bairavasundaram.pdf -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:57:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6868E1065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosand1982@yahoo.com) Received: from n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 248E28FC1D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.83] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.102] by t3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 333705.83466.bm@omp106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93729 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2009 15:57:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256745472; bh=dCalACLxAD5NjlweBaOhnBpFXukIOK2vKxA7sAY0pFA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TiSXGl+Ub72Y3ypqsPkzRhb5hGOcSTn0NswZb+ArhWcVaRklO4bcwPoYK9ci8FQHRlkTbHjSZxPH4VdSm4wS7n7skiLF++3wBlhD1KAji9xlzEROuIdOIBzCO+zBpcdvSzSVT5ziqoJx4otUPg0QAQ9xRu5mQM5RFa8qnotzrAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lFUQnK+BAaPK4QHkUdoYFCaNTyG5BvodNCBPlmzGn3FmBXWNbfQUnmI8p5y6HZzxOnqEpfNskkI0d0/mVWkUXvoKH+EFc/l5/ty82bzFq+l+bgFRiAW+Y+IldT+ldGIK0ezKDspVRQZq6wGAnUIYmhGfD2NHdsb4O5PmTov4esI=; Message-ID: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UcO_9IYVM1l76aVvPahiFzzuy0OFuldfM7E_SYJfgJyU2UP5kpfTAUwcyAHPsBaysY8V.UtwlXGwI84WppIRWsfSXRy_bUy5QWDbICIjpXDUOlkzFauDjl7cNZxGG6vLQ1L9Fp4pRhXKd0vVr_m8wUEUttAFKmCXIn_09brRWJu4ko0M66dTqEOBV28HSpe7UVWllgkgVNqH74UehCPrK.QPaWTnMHgjqkq4djmlNQhjwKehkDBV.8owqZUrOMitkXDp Received: from [75.103.4.106] by web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:57:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) From: George Sanders To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:57:53 -0000 I would like to: - upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, 6.4-RELEASE) - replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: --prefix config directive and point it to /usr: --prefix=/usr However, that does not work - running: /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will simply use: --prefix=/usr/local instead ... but that also does not work. No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two binaries in two different locations. Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL with the source tarball ? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 15:59:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5FC1065693 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00C018FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 65508 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 15:59:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ibwre6Nt+oISscZgOiE9od7MPcS4RFRCmEk2r7lmu1Y7nNo4h/2sgkXF8JPWkpoc91GNPAns4C+breRlpyWsC7LSVbbhmEiJ/H1pzwCozjpQjAv2tj57TEI8jvRFy1j/CRRAUCGj2vGITt09xgVQma35s6bwt8LfYYAIVbOrsnI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO elena.home) (afmcc@86.168.180.126 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 15:59:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: SW2apSyswBAt0gNRBekT9336f.by6cx.6GfQeJfVJ_9U X-YMail-OSG: lzKNVkgVM1nNf5av18xfGW6Gx0oufpFsu3PPl2INdIOA88O383d_UN592uj7x.k4S17cCaK4fg.TRv6UEYS4PIP9mHjL7504SBeLkB7YifUyoO_agSylc04IU6nkpccR9hWvkNsxUjDbwoVZeDAusJd.wDUI_fa86BpUnP3XiNokdFsAxOl8RcmaF_dmRGXzgyPF6V_z1n2g2fIoK95hcNhHjnaD5Nm1ibSm2FWIAU6A5oCWh82w2jJo_l8YqrljDaPIvaLpzOLJB7DAo90_xm_O0Ya4ROl.MHCbUmS45dsSDAPrgEwEXx319YgaP42.ynhigW5VN.j6MQib8L7ZcMC6jck- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 +0000 From: Tony McC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> In-Reply-To: <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:59:58 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400 PJ wrote: > But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, > you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have > read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying > at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's > brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn > and understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to > tread there before you... and their help is really invaluable. Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Best, Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 16:01:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5D2106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0385B8FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9SG1dIs000260; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A5B75FC75; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A7C5FC92; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:37 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:01:35 -0500 Message-ID: <22444_1256745699_4AE86AE2_22444_6_2_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEEB2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? Thread-Index: AcpX53m+SRCwSvxtTl6yoAsEuIIXJAAADlzw References: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "George Sanders" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2009 16:01:37.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDC5DE30:01CA57E7] Cc: Subject: RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:01:56 -0000 Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you can for the new one. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of George Sanders Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:58 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? I would like to: - upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, 6.4-RELEASE) - replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: --prefix config directive and point it to /usr: --prefix=3D/usr However, that does not work - running: /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will simply use: --prefix=3D/usr/local instead ... but that also does not work. No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two binaries in two different locations. Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL with the source tarball ? Thanks. =20=20=20=20=20=20 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 16:04:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC9C106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vaibhav.gavane@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f189.google.com (mail-iw0-f189.google.com [209.85.223.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336268FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn27 with SMTP id 27so668009iwn.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PzNMv83Yib0IsxhO4sX97ODEA5FyhWlkSjAsk/m6aCc=; b=rQT85ldO3JPdWk6S7eFgYhKYNYOITQDlKEOZ5OPPyx3TYa6e/7fRmfUV2thfo58ZSa 3Jx09aqX+VL8THvY+X+H3JlSShEuG7kFxcfSbRNMVqPEhneVeQhihXaIqwWHz977Ie22 4jw+S6SObVrlAJPX8dXTFlBQx1gaynatebmGs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G3sSV1KclcTB3aWvhzyKAysiEim5t06xHf7+n+6kTWqkvTAkwybuuLJmw8pJnc3vK+ bLGZfioFd6VDMu3dyKiQCsCliSPOUBYiDVcsuCk5vOaUwwFSwP9euXEVl6s0a7RgYxaM 8jX8ZQbw5G21ddrGvSTKjBsdEJDgZ4b0Gkm2E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.25.29 with SMTP id x29mr2912490ibb.31.1256745857484; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027230429.GR22136@ece.pdx.edu> References: <20091027064351.GQ22136@ece.pdx.edu> <7576e2a20910270112h4e641e8cr70a5aecd6bf5eeeb@mail.gmail.com> <19174.57119.123849.760108@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20091027230429.GR22136@ece.pdx.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:34:17 +0530 Message-ID: <7576e2a20910280904y533e9312h435cf55e2fe2d25e@mail.gmail.com> From: Vaibhav Gavane To: freebsd@t41t.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: gcc -pg and ld error, "cannot find -lgcc_p" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:04:18 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:34 AM, wrote: >> > =A0Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) >> after investigating the "NO_PROFILE" option in /etc/make.conf. > > There's only a PERL_VERSION in make.conf. Since sysinstall doesn't work > (this is -p4, not a base media install), how does one go about installing > proflibs? I didn't see anything related to proflibs in the csup files. Well, on my 7.1-RELEASE-p8 system, sysinstall does warn, but subsequently asks whether I'd "like to try and use this disc anyway". I did not try (as I already have proflibs installed) but maybe you could, and then you could configure /etc/freebsd-update.conf to select only the world/proflibs component, and then run freebsd-update. That should save you from having to build from sources. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 16:27:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997FC106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gosand1982@yahoo.com) Received: from n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5847F8FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 16:14:22 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.81] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 16:14:22 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.101] by t1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 16:14:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2009 16:14:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 472350.79416.bm@omp105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 10639 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2009 16:14:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256746462; bh=5vFCOWUEHmC5rCMFAahLkF6AJxymcCsl1kBdD325awc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QH5oRxOUqSsVejUshhYZAg/lINrBDma9D7H3FEk6kCWozuVOmd6MLUYuA6kmt6Xn4WFpPWp9SEmDvxj1r6H41yGVZYHLk1kfV7U/hjgM6rbuWV9sCgEOZehTEv2xgB3ckEW9RpwTvMexJd0sTx7tTngVkug1/ES11WGB+aH2/00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ce/5BVdqTiiuayB+TSEn/NWxj2tHbLIYbgkVvDvOSo+9ZfoY7nokCxsIT/0XnT9iuqKQT4r+wgjuFdyyejEcVgJ+KQhgvI1j6TEtqksrwHTPi+Hxl3ZsaZ7k272GbYP3BZxn+KKnOz9Ms/QK/7+7KFplZYdKetaCjW7UnnQK9uY=; Message-ID: <351996.10217.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pK8RKT4VM1l3fjHEmCl60DszczahH4c5tahFQWrIYBq1k3iZrFiAYgb.Is7K1x0i1uKrtCgENgRXFDnPi7BAZZEEEqF3FBEXkXRjbTEVxkmvCNrOo30RD_yrVTdAbM5bRD_rV2qynZilmAyxrcjW05gqf0LeIoJVm.Vbk3nMDE8hl5.l611Xmptu4AEbkaL0.7ZL3Zs9dx9b2yNWOTFSw5MxccKGgCQYvPqaOabE9FGOxwAgOfsZVFXZqpxPzFmTe2nmAtk8nWr4lqEWNUZ5yEjEG2SOADTnqcNly5KGX66y3GzLEWUvlXf0i5WwLg-- Received: from [75.103.4.106] by web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22444_1256745699_4AE86AE2_22444_6_2_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEEB2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: George Sanders To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <22444_1256745699_4AE86AE2_22444_6_2_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEEB2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:27:40 -0000 ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gary Gatten > To: George Sanders ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 11:01:35 AM > Subject: RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? > > Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you > can for the new one. Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the same place_ as the one I just removed. For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do indeed need to use the source tarball. So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 16:46:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5581065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from afmcc@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68CD08FC24 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63128 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 16:46:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YRlgX01xd9L12yoTz2611gEDcXHRkAGKY0vLpSAZSMUZC7BWEbHf8p0a6k+xqPkYc0NloIyviSA7o5hIUmoTcLx3GpYnv3sr9zmCRNQfbk9tjVHfA4IkreoxyooMaHhC70OL5H3gKLTcEb8gg7JH51rGpkW/BbRR6xdPpVwXPbg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO elena.home) (afmcc@86.168.180.126 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 16:46:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: SW2apSyswBAt0gNRBekT9336f.by6cx.6GfQeJfVJ_9U X-YMail-OSG: ptpqWJUVM1nS5p_0vuDnCbAkMePUH175DfbkpktgXpdUUviRvrDxFXXbz05HIXibIoWDN4NBEdyKMPWioCza.H2jZNa1ZCwzLOKvw1ychSkr_JG48KgeO3TquTnkUDeKaG7Pz_LqcoLrYL3MSI4y4p5N616qMb8SWpsbsQD_0gGTk_M6HSy3wpszVG_Vgvpd2_7A3oNuJ9l8esVhowbD84DZHe1ir17ndY3Fc7AZ0x4KiES_dR6lUt3l8.hriEhR5mb6ZgrXQNDRiAJEe3Z3oAZadbrBBlsG4YFffs_1dVpBJ6advtg4GJ9H48s- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:56 +0000 From: Tony McC To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028164656.79c2b5ad@elena.home> In-Reply-To: <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:46:54 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 +0000 Tony McC wrote: > Hi PJ, > > ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different > kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the > part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was > trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get > past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our "learning styles" must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a "learning style", when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 17:21:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FC110656A8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 705688FC26 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19353 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 17:21:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zuQSyjCOyJSiaOIPn8+PPlW8EPg87tex4eTehTVYKNRmIuAADcDyQFJAVpTep/pSJv6tPeJDHZNKaLmCIMC8i1TtCemhCFcBiTPux0GV0o9uzx9pbg2zk2kLaH4IIrlx9tTAHuMX75sldFDOnXQAucarmsZ/V+hIjTI3ADBDkM0= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp109.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 10:21:21 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: 0290FhQVM1nohp_cKsSDBsNN0W39PiURfVofOOJRKHobXtLZmAm84Au76ZJJp6ii03qcA4VOrzw.obaAMY5DYILKNHhAQnKVWRGgPNqHwejK7SJTwAb3zUNQGM_f8fIYjAI3nyPBrAw8baxGuUqJ6vmaBSXGBUZ4tlEdm64O9V7aGQEtQeNdPKgTece46UgmweL_iGnn_rkMpgbWcxRnX3Tunpxq4WhHh0_okYsOBAFRjhqm0a2W6_FvnOm5o7jsrfWiVxdkKbdwnXBfQVMIhD.1jT8mQIK.MF9PtAoh0OhHMF4brw0rvvlX8gYU.GmjpF2mIn6t6hzOXDBVV0FO9OWwlcJ8hW7n X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E70122848 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:21:20 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028132120.0e6b19c8@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:21:23 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) George Sanders replied: > > >I would like to: > >- upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, >6.4-RELEASE) > >- replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball > > >If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install > > >OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate >location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. > >Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: > >--prefix > >config directive and point it to /usr: > >--prefix=/usr > >However, that does not work - running: > >/usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version > >shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will >simply use: > >--prefix=/usr/local > >instead ... but that also does not work. > >No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to >overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two >binaries in two different locations. > >Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL >with the source tarball ? I use this in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | (null cookie; hope that's ok) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 17:25:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7B31065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp2.tls.net (smtp2.tls.net [65.124.104.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80558FC1B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 98650 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 17:25:46 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 98586, pid: 98643, t: 0.2049s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp-2.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.34.150?) (ldg@tls.net@65.124.104.206) by ssl-smtp2.tls.net with ESMTPA; 28 Oct 2009 17:25:46 -0000 Message-ID: <4AE87E86.50502@pixelhammer.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:25:26 -0400 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD - References: <200910231717.AA243925902@mail.Go2France.com> <18641935-9899-495F-9465-A7A10AA6A6D8@mac.com> <4AE1E864.5000500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <2B558559-4B08-41D6-9CFE-91E434DD9176@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <2B558559-4B08-41D6-9CFE-91E434DD9176@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DNS Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:25:48 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> You aren't supposed to use CNAMES for anything found in other RR's; >>> in particular, you should always use an A record with the hostnames >>> used for nameservers (ie, have an NS record), because you are >>> supposed to be using the canonical name rather than an alias. >> >> Errr? You mean the rule that NS and MX and SRV rdata must include an >> A record >> rather than a CNAME? That's true, but what does that have to do with web >> serving? > > Consider the case of redirects involving cnames; you end up with a lot > of extra DNS traffic. > >> The illegality mentioned further upthread is that you can't use a >> CNAME at a zone apex because of the 'CNAME and other data rule'[*] -- >> as there's always got to be SOA and NS records at the zone apex, if >> you want a web page at 'example.com' you'ld have to provide an A or >> AAAA record for it. Unless you're Verisign and have control over the >> nameservers for .com, this is almost certainly illegal: >> >> example.com. IN CNAME www.example.com >> >> On the other hand: >> >> www.example.com. IN CNAME example.com. >> >> is generally fine. > > It's generally fine, sure, but almost never ideal. You don't save > traffic by using CNAMEs instead of A records.... > >>> PS: It's odd where google pulls up references to fairly canonical >>> docs, sometimes. I'm not sure I even recognize "ua", and I suspect I >>> deal with two-letter ISO 3166 country names more than most folks do. >>> Maybe Ukraine? :-) >> >> Of course it's Ukraine. .uk was already taken, even though the two >> letter >> iso-code for this country is officially .gb. We're in an exclusive >> club of >> two nations that generally don't use their official iso-code in the >> DNS. No >> prizes for guessing which the other one is. > > Shucks, how can you pull in Jeopardy references and then deny giving out > prizes? Well, my guess would be ie, although people who speak Finnish > and call their home "Suomi" might find "fi" odd, also.... > >> Cheers, >> >> Matthew >> >> [*] Little known factoid, but there are two legal exceptions to the >> 'CNAME >> and other data' rule. You can have RRSIG or NSEC records at the same >> label >> as CNAME -- see RFC 4035. Obscure DNS trivia for 100, Alex... > > Regards, Just so everyone knows, having a domain with a CNAME at the top will hose your mail traffic. We tried it, and some servers delivered fine, others did not. Checking with dig +trace, and dns stuff, showed the problem. Just trying to get a MX record for mainstreetfin.com would fail. The record we had was, mainstreetfin.com CNAME website.elliemae.com And the problem is shown below. --------------------------------------------------------------- DNS Lookup: mainstreetfin.com MX record Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at a.root-servers.net [198.41.0.4]: Got referral to M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. (zone: com.) [took 39 ms] Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.55.83.30]: Got referral to ns2auth.tls.net. (zone: mainstreetfin.com.) [took 11 ms] Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at ns2auth.tls.net. [65.123.104.30]: Got CNAME of website.elliemae.com. and referral to k.root-servers.net [took 36 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at g.root-servers.net [192.112.36.4]: Got referral to I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. (zone: com.) [took 143 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.43.172.30]: Got referral to ns2.elliemae.net. (zone: elliemae.com.) [took 63 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns2.elliemae.net. [63.241.88.21]: Timed out. Trying again. Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns2.elliemae.net. [63.241.88.21]: Timed out. Trying again. Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns1.elliemae.net. [216.35.165.21]: Reports that no MX records exist. [took 46 ms] Response: No MX records exist for website.elliemae.com. [Neg TTL=300 seconds] Details: ns1.elliemae.net. (an authoritative nameserver for elliemae.com.) says that there are no MX records for website.elliemae.com. The E-mail address in charge of the elliemae.com. zone is: hostmaster@elliemae.com. NOTE: One or more CNAMEs were encountered. mainstreetfin.com is really website.elliemae.com. ---------------------------- So some mail servers never asked our authoritative servers what the MX record was. Interesting. DAve -- "Posterity, you will know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it." John Quincy Adams http://appleseedinfo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 17:29:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F78106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from ostracod.unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E675B8FC21 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vhoffman.lon.namesco.net (75.69-246-213.ippool.namesco.net [213.246.69.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by ostracod.unsane.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9SHSvUZ002855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:29:00 GMT (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <4AE87F56.2060001@unsane.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:28:54 +0000 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Sanders References: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22444_1256745699_4AE86AE2_22444_6_2_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEEB2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <351996.10217.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <351996.10217.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:29:02 -0000 George Sanders wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Gary Gatten >> To: George Sanders ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 11:01:35 AM >> Subject: RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? >> >> Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you >> can for the new one. >> > > > > Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the same place_ as the one I just removed. > > For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do indeed need to use the source tarball. > > So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... > > Thanks. > Well the base openssl is held in /usr/src/crypto/openssl but the makefile is in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl so I'd look at those. I'm in no way knowledgeable about openssl or how its integrated into freebsd though, this is just from a quick look at the sources. Vince > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 17:31:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1531065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-111.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-111.bluehost.com [69.89.18.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 868D78FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27637 invoked by uid 0); 28 Oct 2009 17:31:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 17:31:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ZZeekL14KwEGonSbRkQI6ZQxxWoJ4PcpxUC3SRcrhVHXiCdqJ+JAi62W4MJaQ28oFiB0waILVKpLHnCpZt3cUvLp+IzgE+xVW76Jn6NuyddbFR2uCVZxc1u/C7fPD3K+; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3CND-0006G9-1o; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:31:55 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:24:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:24:06 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028172406.GC1890@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gonzalo Nemmi References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E13BgyNx05feLLmH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Gonzalo Nemmi Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:31:56 -0000 --E13BgyNx05feLLmH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:14:17AM +0000, Frank Shute wrote: >=20 > I'll speculate as to the reasons: >=20 > NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. >=20 > OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. Those both sound like great reasons. >=20 > Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. Considering what DragonFly's new MTA does (and doesn't do), I'm pretty sure "smaller footprint" was among the reasons for it to use something other than Sendmail, too. >=20 > Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced > with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and > not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their > choice out of ports. >=20 > That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. OpenSMTPD looks promising. If it turns out to be as nice as it seems it will, I wouldn't be opposed to making it part of base instead of Sendmail, but of course it's entirely possible that I've overlooked some potential problems. The licensing is right, too (unlike, perhaps, that of Postfix). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --E13BgyNx05feLLmH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkrofjYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX9SwCfVEQ2TVzmM8e2d6Ig5Pu6L9rR eDAAoOOmUTJdv+16NgluDPtyIHYcyNX/ =20ui -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E13BgyNx05feLLmH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 17:39:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B0F106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC258FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11273 invoked by uid 0); 28 Oct 2009 17:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (24.42.224.110) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 17:38:59 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id C0AD728435; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:38:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:38:58 -0500 From: David Kelly To: George Sanders Message-ID: <20091028173858.GA27199@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <222251.93672.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22444_1256745699_4AE86AE2_22444_6_2_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEEB2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <351996.10217.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <351996.10217.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:39:01 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:14:22AM -0700, George Sanders wrote: > > Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the > same place_ as the one I just removed. > > For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do > indeed need to use the source tarball. > > So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly > and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... Not knowing anything more about ones "complex reasons", I suggest giving serious consideration as to replacing the contents of /usr/src/crypto/openssl/ with OpenSSL's distribution sources and see what happens when one makes from /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl/ But before doing that I think serious consideration should be made as to making what ever embedded customizations one needs to the stock FreeBSD distribution files. Make your changes then generate patch files as an archive of the differences. Or better yet create your own custom fork in CVS, but I don't know how one would do that and still be able to sync with the official sources. IIRC there are plans to move the official FreeBSD sources to Subversion, which might complicate things. Have noticed in recent months cvsup often must replace rather than update files because checksums do not match. Guessing that has something to do with svn. http://svn.freebsd.org/ In years past I built a custom embedded FreeBSD out of FreeBSD 4.4 using only a custom Makefile outside of the /usr/src tree to drive the whole process. My built started with a clean checkout from my local CVS image of the official distribution. Don't recall making any code changes that couldn't be handled as compile defines from the Makefiles. Built into a chroot space, including selected ports. Then working from a list of utilities that I wanted in my reduced FreeBSD a script extracted library dependencies to create another list. Finally a new directory tree was created of the new system of only the files I wanted and their dependencies. My system including kernel was under 10 MB. Plus another 10 or 15 MB for Apache, and another 10 MB or so for Perl. Kept a 500 MHz P3 busy for a while. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:08:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CABA1065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034B18FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SJ8j1i019759 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE896BC.8010006@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:08:44 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:08:46 -0000 When I plug in my USB floppy drive I get these messages: ugen1.2: at usbus1 umass0: on usbus1 umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x0000 umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:11:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC9C106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:11:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BE28FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so998597ywh.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=TMECoWiBZ+L5fMLUFNFyNURLs3EImfGhPPwvypKVQRE=; b=j1Tbk0FVHMIZCPhpCGcYtWlywZ479AKwDdH98n+cmPjJ0mNJyfggU1Q1Bypu7A4cMH G9TG5O1c7Tqvww7pvmC3Qs2b+AMDJ3KM3dHrX/xg+RpwsDOiUw7a4QeaQV1LtfkQ70u0 7uISlLnPbJMCnrHP1OkOZ3qohRYVZUI6sTDwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=W6BBS0IpPbqUttIzzS1FKYtI0M5O0sqoWie5GP5XvPOe6tach0LyaoB2dSuaShEhdC rRzr6ql1Abtj5R3KzYDx5nTxYyHX4gnOqNe6Gx5bjQNuJIhBWCGd70HJupVuqdgSlKBd YTgAMyTKQbwk8eavB7xNE273K5+FrQ6xzyoQY= Received: by 10.150.87.24 with SMTP id k24mr3202850ybb.144.1256757118418; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm576700gxk.11.2009.10.28.12.11.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:11:54 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910281711.54965.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:11:59 -0000 On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:14:17 am Frank Shute wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > > [snippage] > > > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > > > for wanting to replace it. > > > > Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, > > NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of > > personal preference? > > I'll speculate as to the reasons: Come on .. there was no need to speculate .. you have the whole internet at your finger tips ;) > NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. > > OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. No, not really ... OpenBSD: "A few months ago, I had to dive into the configuration of sendmail to make a very small change. It turns out I spent almost an hour trying to make sense out of a maze of files that were plain unreadable. Even the slightest changes would cause me to stand a couple minutes thinking, just trying to make sure I really wanted to make that change. ..." You'll find whole thing here: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081112084647 > Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many > headaches. By all means no .. not at all .. they didn't even started afresh .. Anyways .. You'll find the reasons here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html "Hey, again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base and why not postfix, etc. We keep saying that we do need a mail delivery/transport agent, for stuff such as periodic, cron, etc. But that doesn't mean that we need sendmail. Actually a much simpler mailer would do: one that just delivers locally (and if possible, remote) and does nothing else. ... " and here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/submit/2008-02/msg00000.html "Hi, corecode@ announced his DragonFly mail agent in [1] as a small, simple and clean implementation of a mailer in the base. The goal of dma was not to replace a feature complete MTA like sendmail or postfix. The basic intention was to be able to deliver mails from cron, periodic etc to local users. I enhanced dma and added remote delivery and some other features needed for works-out-of-the-box and to keep users happy :) The list of all features follows: ..." Yet still, DragonFlyBSD as well as OpenBSD are in the procces of fully moving to their respective mailers, unlike NetBSD which already moved to Postfix. > RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. That only accounts for only one distribution and I really don't know what you mean with "package management" because they have a lot of them ... > FreeBSD: ? > > I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. > > Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and > replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of > cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of > their choice out of ports. > > That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. Yup .. I fully agree with you ... I just cancelled my freebsdmall.com FreeBSD suscription in order to use that money to buy OpenBSD releases .. so my money gets used to finance the development of OpenSMTP and other milestone technologies. They've earned it :) > > > ////jerry Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:18:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C861065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1C58FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:18:15 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS8009XRNSD3502@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE8885E.6020101@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:07:26 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Tony McC References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028160000.035fa0ef@elena.home> <20091028164656.79c2b5ad@elena.home> In-reply-to: <20091028164656.79c2b5ad@elena.home> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:18:15 -0000 Tony McC wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 +0000 > Tony McC wrote: > > >> Hi PJ, >> >> ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different >> kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the >> part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was >> trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get >> past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. >> > > Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy > response. I think it comes down to the fact our "learning styles" must > be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try > to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm > theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a > plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't > understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just > different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart > before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the > manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your > system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing > and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were > before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a > "learning style", when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises > (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, > not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience > for me. > > Best, > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > That's cool. NP. My thing is simply... if it works use it. If it doesn't try to fix it... and here's where you sometimes have to learn or find help. 8-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:35:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62761106568D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E3E8FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1052677pwj.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/L7T5YZSGzUSgBtgzjMbMipvEtTtDbv1QE5p+P+n80Q=; 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Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:35:22 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Yuri wrote: > When I plug in my USB floppy drive I get these messages: > > ugen1.2: at usbus1 > umass0: on usbus1 > umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x0000 > umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry > > I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. > > Yuri > Did you remove devel/libusb -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:41:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF880106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC09C8FC1F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SJfDxI036006; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE89E58.3050708@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:41:12 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4AE896BC.8010006@rawbw.com> <6201873e0910281235j15a4098fgb5a85b8a8eb8bbde@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910281235j15a4098fgb5a85b8a8eb8bbde@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:41:15 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > Did you remove devel/libusb It's installed: libusb-0.1.12_4 I enabled debugging and now get an extended dmesg log: ugen1.2: at usbus1 umass0: on usbus1 umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x0000 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:-1:-1:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 umass0:umass_cam_rescan: scbus4: scanning for 4:0:-1 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:-1:-1:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x12, flags: 0x40, 6b cmd/36b data/18b sense umass0:umass_attach: Attach finishedumass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x120000002400...), data = 36b, dir = in umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 4 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=36 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=0 umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 8 umass0:umass_t_cbi_status_callback: UFI CCI, ASC = 0x00, ASCQ = 0x00 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x12, flags: 0x40, 6b cmd/255b data/18b sense umass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x12010000ff00...), data = 255b, dir = in umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 4 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=255 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=0 umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 8 umass0:umass_t_cbi_status_callback: UFI CCI, ASC = 0x00, ASCQ = 0x00 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x000000000000...), data = 0b, dir = no data phase umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umassX:umass_cam_rescan_callback: xpt0: Rescan succeeded umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED -> reset (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:50:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2091065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39958FC17 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so778495pzk.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Rj+tU5/xAP/Gdw4zHAVTLdQsqrp+mn29ZK0QV4DZBNs=; 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Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:50:33 -0000 What does this mean? > > I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. > > Yuri > > -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:52:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FB6106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596A08FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SJqD17038515; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE8A0EC.10209@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4AE896BC.8010006@rawbw.com> <6201873e0910281250t4bdc6c9bx7fe93cd53f448de3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910281250t4bdc6c9bx7fe93cd53f448de3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:52:14 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > What does this mean? > > > I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. > It used to work in FreeBSD-70 long time ago. Now in FReeBSD-8.0-RC1 it doesn't. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 19:55:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9C5106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelgrunewald@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp6.netcologne.de (smtp6.netcologne.de [194.8.194.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFDA8FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from llea.celt.neu (xdsl-81-173-228-131.netcologne.de [81.173.228.131]) by smtp6.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C382A07A9; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:55:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE8A1B3.2070503@yahoo.fr> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:55:31 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090919 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:55:27 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Michal Grnewald wrote: >> I have however a question: How do I verify that >> a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad >> sectors as long as possible? > > I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is > a good tool for such verification. As far as I understood, > it can read internal error logs from the firmware. Hi, following your suggestion I used smartmon to get access to the SMART data. I have run an extended offline test (with-t offline I think). The test reported no error (!) and the bad sectors are now read/writeable (!!). Is it safe to think the problem is gone? # smartctl -l selftest /dev/ad10 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 458 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 70% 456 -- Best regards, Michal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 20:05:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D38106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400638FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FCE1E0DC; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:05:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SK5h3J001603; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:05:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:05:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tony McC , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:05:46 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ wrote: > And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the > problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the > "normal" user's MS systems... You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are not compatible to the rest of the world. > OpenOffice.org is not completely > compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] Vice versa. > [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped > or compatible with Unixes. That's correct. "Modern" printers aren't compatible (in terms of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners and digital media (cameras, players). > And, of course, the difficulty with learning > curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary users found their way with DOS and used "complicated" programs. Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. > I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by > actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. It's always wise to use "experimental testing" and "autodicatic reading" side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. > The only reason I use MS is because most "normal" users use word, > illustrator, photoshop. Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs you mentioned? :-) > They are a huge pain because they have a lot of > bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly > addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. They simply aren't interested. > Just check the web and you > will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, > the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 > programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about > harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer > on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other > installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted > to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which > was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS > Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems.... This is the kind of "user-friendly", "modern" and "good looking" that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) > So, > FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have > problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical > disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like > shutting down. That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so you need to reinstall everything. > I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never > lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. > These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I > have needed before. Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is to achieve the same using JCL. :-) Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such an experience in MICROS~1 land. > What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, > configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are > incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems > to be the cause of most difficulties. As I said, this is "completely correct" if you consider the fact that the OS can only act as it is told. > The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. This list represents a very friendly and educated community. > But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, > you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have > read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at > once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain > but practical application is about the only way to really learn and > understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to tread > there before you... The main goal of reading manpages is UNDERSTANDING them. Nearly nobody knows all options of all existing programs in all the variations, but if you know how to obtain information and how to interpret it, you're already on the next stage. > Also, from the suggestions and solutions I have received on the list, I > have learned many, many little tips and tricks that I would never have > picked up without extensive digging. This is true for mee, to. I keep copies of messages that I find interesting, maybe a useful set of PF rules or a neat awk trick. > I really turn to the list when I have some problem about which I am not > totally clear or have difficulty resolving. But then, I must admit, I > don't really depend on the list as it is really very simple to fix the > problems I have by just installing a fresh system and then setting up > the programs and don't bother with fixing things just start all over... > not very informative but easy to fix (maybe a bit time consuming) . Hmm... I always found reinstalling everything from scratch more time consuming than investigating the problem and just correcting THIS particular problem. > As I > have stated before, things like flashplugin have become a problem only > after I started doing some other things like cloning and dump/restores. How to both things stand in relation? > But I did set up flashplugin correctly on both 64bit and 32bit machines > and it worked just fine... until I changed things while cloning. Cloning shouldn't have changed anything, it's a read-only process on the source side. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 20:11:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABA010656A9 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46D68FC1C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19349 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2009 20:11:28 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Oct 2009 20:11:28 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 11CF55089E; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: yuri@rawbw.com References: <4AE896BC.8010006@rawbw.com> <6201873e0910281235j15a4098fgb5a85b8a8eb8bbde@mail.gmail.com> <4AE89E58.3050708@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:11:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4AE89E58.3050708@rawbw.com> (yuri@rawbw.com's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:41:12 -0700") Message-ID: <44ws2f46tt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Adam Vande More , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:28 -0000 Yuri writes: > Adam Vande More wrote: >> Did you remove devel/libusb > > It's installed: libusb-0.1.12_4 That's your problem, then. You need to remove it and rebuild the ports that depended on it. This was mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING and /usr/src/UPDATING. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 20:12:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C4C1065693 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA7A8FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so777647qyk.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5z0iU/rFEReWMOObpAnhrV5C1aDwiwzHzBJkH6Oa+MI=; b=NhHyrmC9ZkHn0HDRLZwt2R2ig8cwQRbxySXJFGZeYg9QxPe1en19dpca/2B6pDEk5W B7SXgs/ApR49sK9ZAL5+v0RAl86ZV8zcUPIV4N2gk8FHd3YOJU61csgEz+bD0cMaLcA5 y4QB03YXe4tCEQASJ6eV8rsGTUiDW9KU9ZSm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c0WxNJLMdLNFOe2PQe/ojPwOAR4I1Gd+4RmtcVeUJPOQMEJfHrWTPXpv0HDAxynm4x ng7Oyc59N0W4nVZAPLXC9DjYSCPm0Lj+C7eSy+UaOMrGUkTAIeQNdpcURcU3jfJW9IT2 JnAK3lxm9OC3lLL3hHwoC1srbVsRu9H6LdJcY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.14.134 with SMTP id g6mr1051157qca.23.1256760765703; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE8A1B3.2070503@yahoo.fr> References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8A1B3.2070503@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:12:45 +1100 Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0910281312u54015538sb492db1ebc51fe59@mail.gmail.com> From: David N To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Polytropon , freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:47 -0000 2009/10/29 Micha=EBl Gr=FCnewald : > Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Micha=EBl Gr=FCnewald >> wrote: >>> >>> I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is >>> accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as >>> possible? >> >> I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is a good tool for >> such verification. As far as I understood, >> it can read internal error logs from the firmware. > > Hi, following your suggestion I used smartmon to get access to the SMART > data. I have run an extended offline test (with-t offline I think). The t= est > reported no error (!) and the bad sectors are now read/writeable (!!). Is= it > safe to think the problem is gone? > > # smartctl -l selftest /dev/ad10 > > =3D=3D=3D START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION =3D=3D=3D > SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 > Num =A0Test_Description =A0 =A0Status =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= Remaining LifeTime(hours) > =A0LBA_of_first_error > # 1 =A0Extended offline =A0 =A0Completed without error =A0 =A0 =A0 00% = =A0 =A0 =A0 458 =A0 =A0 - > # 2 =A0Extended offline =A0 =A0Aborted by host =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 70% =A0 =A0 =A0 456 > -- > Best regards, > Micha=EBl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I've had this problem before on consumer grade HDD. * The drive tries to read/write to a sector, it can't, then marks the sector as bad and preps for remapping * Remapping may take upto 10 minutes on consumer grade HDD, enterprise ones usually remap within seconds. so this 10 minute lagg time will timeout the read/write of the OS. * Usually a remap is done on reboot or when its done internally and data is copied (if it can). If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 20:44:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468121065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a_best01@uni-muenster.de) Received: from zivm-exrelay1.uni-muenster.de (ZIVM-EXRELAY1.UNI-MUENSTER.DE [128.176.192.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CDC8FC1C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:44:05 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,641,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="286743065" Received: from zivmaildisp1.uni-muenster.de (HELO ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE) ([128.176.188.85]) by zivm-relay1.uni-muenster.de with ESMTP; 28 Oct 2009 21:44:04 +0100 Received: by ZIVMAILUSER04.UNI-MUENSTER.DE (Postfix, from userid 149459) id 6320A1B07BD; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:44:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:44:03 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Best Sender: Organization: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet Muenster To: Scott Bennett , , Michael Powell Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200910270808.n9R88vMU011842@mp.cs.niu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alexander Best Subject: Re: howto use https in favour of http X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:44:06 -0000 Scott Bennett schrieb am 2009-10-27: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:40:48 -0400 Michael Powell > > wrote: > >Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> Alexander Best wrote: > >>> Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: > >>>> Hi, > >>>>> i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: > >>>>> permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 > >>>>> so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for > >>>>> that > >>>>> address. > >>>>> unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. > >[snip] > >>> i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. > >>> the point > >>> is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific > >>> address in > >>> apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that > >>> site is > >>> being loaded. i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if > >>> the app is > >>> trying to access the non-ssl version it should in fact be > >>> redirected to > >>> the ssl version by freebsd. > >> I thought that this is what you were originally after. > >> FreeBSD, in itself, can't do this... much like Mac OS or Windows > >> can't > >> do this. > >> Most applications such as Firefox can't even do this (inherently). > >> If you are trying to enforce this as a personal/company policy, > >> you will > >> need to write a 'wrapper' around your application (lynx/firefox) > >> to do > >> this. > >> Note that your example was :25->:443, which implied SMTP over > >> SSL... > >> Nonetheless, FreeBSD can't make these decisions inherently > >> (thankfully). > >> Steve > >I think the OP does not have a clear grasp on how the various > >protocols > >operate. Evidenced by confusing http with mail services. Yes, I know > >there > >is 'web mail', but even web based mail is still a web server. > >It is up to the server operator to configure the services on the > >server end > >of things. Whether its SMTP with SSL/TLS, HTTP/HTTPS, pop3 or imap > >with SSL, > >etc., all of these things are made to work at the server end. True > >enough a > >client may need to be configured to talk on port 995 for pop3/SSL or > >port > >993 for IMAP/SSL but for the web a client shouldn't need to do > >anything. > >The web server operator configures which locations in his URI space > >should > >be served up on port 443, and the client's browser should > >automatically > >switch to HTTPS based upon this. The OP doesn't seem to understand > >that he > >doesn't need to make this happen on his end, at least as far as > >HTTP/HTTPS > >goes. > All of this is true, but it is also true that many web sites > offer part > or all of their content pages by both protocols, which allows a > client to > fetch such pages by his/her choice of protocol. For such sites, it > can be > quite helpful to have a way to tell the browser to prefer, or even > require, > one or the other. > >If he is actually trying to configure a mail client to talk TLS or > >SSL to an > >SMTP server, then he needs to tell the email client software this. > >E.g., > >"This connection requires encryption" and whether it is SSL or TLS. > >Mail > >servers on port 25 do not use HTTP or HTTPS, but rather SMTP. > >So it seems as if he is just very confused. > Definitely the case. However, this list is intended to provide > help > to users at all levels of experience and understanding. > What has been overlooked in all of the above discussion is that > there > *is* some help available for the OP. A plug-in is available for > Firefox > that should *always* be installed ASAP after Firefox has been > installed > unless you don't give a rat's ass about browser security. The > plug-in is > called "NoScript". (Other highly recommended Firefox security > plug-ins > include QuickJava, SafeCache, Torbutton, Better Privacy, etc.) > Directions for the OP: after installing NoScript and restarting > Firefox, bring up the NoScript Options panel. You can do this either > by > clicking on "Tools" in the Firefox menu bar at the top of the window > and > then on "Add-ons" or "Plug-ins" or some such, depending upon the > Firefox > version. This will bring up a panel listing all installed plug-ins. > Find > the entry for NoScript, click on the entry (not a button, though) to > select > it, then click on its "Preferences" button. Two alternative methods > of > getting to the same NoScript Options panel depend upon what you see > at the > bottom of the main Firefox window. If you see a bar inside the > window at > the bottom that says something about scripts with an "Options..." > button > at the right, clock on the "Options" button and then on the > "Options..." > line at the top of the resulting menu. The other alternative method > is > available when there is a capital letter "S" in a circle in the > bottom > Firefox status bar. Right-click on this "S", which may have a slash > through > it or other decorations, to get a slightly differently ordered menu. > Click > on the "Options..." line of this menu to get the NoScript Options > panel. > Once the NoScript Options panel is visible, click on the > "Advanced" tab > at the righthand end of the sequence of tabs. This will display some > "subtabs" below the main tabs. Click again on the righthandmost tab, > which > says, "HTTPS". A third line of tabs should appear, containing just > two tabs: > "Behavior" and "Cookies". The "Behavior" tab is the one you want. > You > should be able to figure out what to do from there, but basically you > can > identify a site by host+domainname (e.g., www.sitename.com) into the > upper > or lower box, depending upon whether you wish to force connections to > use > HTTPS or instead to force connections *not* to use HTTPS. You may > also > specify an entire domain (e.g., *.sitename.com). > Note, however, that you can tell the browser which protocol to > use > to request a page, but if the server does not offer service by that > protocol > you will get only an error page, as was implied by Michael Powell's > remarks > quoted above. > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ********************************************************************** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu > * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good > * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments > * > * -- a standing army." > * > * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 > * > ********************************************************************** thanks a lot for all the hints. i'll have a look at noscript. cheers. alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 20:45:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE8F106568F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42168FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:45:23 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS8009SDSBM35B2@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:24 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Tony McC , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:45:24 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the >> problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the >> "normal" user's MS systems... >> > > You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are > not compatible to the rest of the world. > > > > >> OpenOffice.org is not completely >> compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] >> > > Vice versa. > > > > >> [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped >> or compatible with Unixes. >> > > That's correct. "Modern" printers aren't compatible (in terms > of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This > is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners > and digital media (cameras, players). > > > > >> And, of course, the difficulty with learning >> curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( >> > > I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary > users found their way with DOS and used "complicated" programs. > Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's > just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. > > > > >> I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by >> actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. >> > > It's always wise to use "experimental testing" and "autodicatic > reading" side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without > making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all > the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the > manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. > > > > >> The only reason I use MS is because most "normal" users use word, >> illustrator, photoshop. >> > > Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs > you mentioned? :-) > > > > >> They are a huge pain because they have a lot of >> bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly >> addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. >> > > They simply aren't interested. > > > > >> Just check the web and you >> will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, >> the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 >> programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about >> harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer >> on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other >> installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted >> to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which >> was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS >> Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems.... >> > > This is the kind of "user-friendly", "modern" and "good looking" > that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) > > > > >> So, >> FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have >> problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical >> disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like >> shutting down. >> > > That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, > it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a > reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing > library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it > is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so > you need to reinstall everything. > > > > >> I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never >> lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. >> These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I >> have needed before. >> > > Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual > point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp > command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is > to achieve the same using JCL. :-) > > Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on > this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD > or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will > serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such > an experience in MICROS~1 land. > > > > >> What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, >> configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are >> incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems >> to be the cause of most difficulties. >> > > As I said, this is "completely correct" if you consider the > fact that the OS can only act as it is told. > > > > >> The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. >> > > This list represents a very friendly and educated community. > > > > >> But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, >> you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have >> read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at >> once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain >> but practical application is about the only way to really learn and >> understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to tread >> there before you... >> > > The main goal of reading manpages is UNDERSTANDING them. Nearly > nobody knows all options of all existing programs in all the > variations, but if you know how to obtain information and how > to interpret it, you're already on the next stage. > > > > >> Also, from the suggestions and solutions I have received on the list, I >> have learned many, many little tips and tricks that I would never have >> picked up without extensive digging. >> > > This is true for mee, to. I keep copies of messages that I find > interesting, maybe a useful set of PF rules or a neat awk trick. > > > > >> I really turn to the list when I have some problem about which I am not >> totally clear or have difficulty resolving. But then, I must admit, I >> don't really depend on the list as it is really very simple to fix the >> problems I have by just installing a fresh system and then setting up >> the programs and don't bother with fixing things just start all over... >> not very informative but easy to fix (maybe a bit time consuming) . >> > > Hmm... I always found reinstalling everything from scratch more > time consuming than investigating the problem and just correcting > THIS particular problem. > > > > >> As I >> have stated before, things like flashplugin have become a problem only >> after I started doing some other things like cloning and dump/restores. >> > > How to both things stand in relation? > > > > >> But I did set up flashplugin correctly on both 64bit and 32bit machines >> and it worked just fine... until I changed things while cloning. >> > > Cloning shouldn't have changed anything, it's a read-only process > on the source side. > Yeah, but stupid errors are not. I know I made one really dumb mistake when I restored to the wrong partition. Fortunately I was working with several different disks and was able to avoid losing important data... I wound up redoing it all... but now I understand the dump/restore process pretty well... anyway I goofed somewhere. but what is strange is that the only obvious problem I have is this flashplugin - no matter what I do, I cannot get it to work. I do recall that at some point there was an update for flash or firefox and I think I allowed Firefox to update it... so the problem just may be with Firefox itself. And I just don't feel like going through a reinstallation of Firefox again... that is probably the most lengthy and tortuous installation of anything except for OpenOffice.org (I only use the binaries for that) and my cpus are 2.4 or 3Ghz. Anyway, I've given up on flash... I don't go to youtube or the like so I don't really miss it... it's just annoying that I can't access some sites properly when using FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:06:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8C8106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:06:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelgrunewald@yahoo.fr) Received: from smtp6.netcologne.de (smtp6.netcologne.de [194.8.194.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C968FC1D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from llea.celt.neu (xdsl-81-173-228-131.netcologne.de [81.173.228.131]) by smtp6.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835EB2A0EFC; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE8B266.2070306@yahoo.fr> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:46 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090919 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David N References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8A1B3.2070503@yahoo.fr> <4d7dd86f0910281312u54015538sb492db1ebc51fe59@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4d7dd86f0910281312u54015538sb492db1ebc51fe59@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:06:42 -0000 Hello David, thank you for your comments, David N wrote: > 2009/10/29 Michal Grnewald : >> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === >> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 >> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) >> LBA_of_first_error >> # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 458 - >> # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 70% 456 [...] > If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block > (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend > to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, > usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is > damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace > is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. I have Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0 for the faulty drive. Where can I find a key fo reading all the other exciting numbers listed under the banner ``SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:'' ? On the hard-drive I use for my backups, a SAMSUNG HD501LJ, all the numbers I read looks fine to me, but I want to be sure. Thus it would be nice have a key for the table that `smartctl -a /dev/ad6' outputs. My two other drives, I use to store my OS and my data, are MAXTOR STM3250820AS (I do not have a RAID setup, it just happens that I have twin hard drives). They both have `Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0' but have positive `Raw_Read_Error_Rate', `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive `Reported_incorrect=119',`Current_Pending_Sector=4294967295' and `Offline_Uncorrectable=4294967295'. As looking for hints on google leads to many threads discussing hard-drive failures, I did not find what a pleasant description of the signification of these numbers. -- Kind regards, Michal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:08:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F5F106568B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:08:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4F58FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SL8FKB056001 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE8B2BE.2050509@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:08:14 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:08:16 -0000 I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, others are banned by BIOS. Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:15:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB0106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D8A8FC0A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9SLFTl7057636; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AE8B46F.9010408@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:15:27 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE896BC.8010006@rawbw.com> <6201873e0910281235j15a4098fgb5a85b8a8eb8bbde@mail.gmail.com> <4AE89E58.3050708@rawbw.com> <44ws2f46tt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44ws2f46tt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Adam Vande More Subject: Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:15:29 -0000 Lowell Gilbert wrote: > That's your problem, then. You need to remove it and rebuild the ports > that depended on it. > > This was mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING and /usr/src/UPDATING. > I removed this port but still have this problem. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:25:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F591065676 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB258FC29 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5581DC3F; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SLPsIi001837; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: PJ Message-Id: <20091028222553.224ba333.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tony McC , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:25:56 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:24 -0400, PJ wrote: > Yeah, but stupid errors are not. Nobody can make all the errors. > anyway I goofed somewhere. but what is strange is that > the only obvious problem I have is this flashplugin - no matter what I > do, I cannot get it to work. But obviously, as others are running it, it's possible. > I do recall that at some point there was an update for flash or firefox > and I think I allowed Firefox to update it... so the problem just may be > with Firefox itself. That may be possible. > And I just don't feel like going through a > reinstallation of Firefox again... that is probably the most lengthy and > tortuous installation of anything except for OpenOffice.org (I only use > the binaries for that) and my cpus are 2.4 or 3Ghz. That's the reason that I really prefer precompiled packages. If you think that you system is all messed up, delete /usr/local and start installing from packages. Pay attention to run the files needed from /etc/mtree to restore the hierarchy for the /usr/local subtree. > Anyway, I've given > up on flash... I did so from its beginning. :-) > I don't go to youtube or the like so I don't really miss > it... There's youtube-dl. :-) > it's just annoying that I can't access some sites properly when > using FreeBSD. That's not FreeBSD's fault. If "professional web designers" need to "optimize" their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:37:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785C5106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert.raimund@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1D348FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Oct 2009 21:37:54 -0000 Received: from host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl (EHLO localhost) [194.126.238.33] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 28 Oct 2009 22:37:54 +0100 X-Authenticated: #18511094 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/YpX51uSrYMcRmtLo+2VzrXUmiwnD4CutgMIk0r6 6fH3rCBmdeGASv Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:37:52 +0100 From: herbert langhans To: Yuri Message-ID: <20091028213752.GA1282@sandcat> References: <4AE8B2BE.2050509@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE8B2BE.2050509@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:37:57 -0000 Do you know the card's chipset? The Atheros chips are working well, I have a TP-Link card with such.. Cheers herb langhans On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:08:14PM -0700, Yuri wrote: > I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, > others are banned by BIOS. > Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? > > > Yuri > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:38:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B73710656A6 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f186.google.com (mail-px0-f186.google.com [209.85.216.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F028FC2E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so827392pxi.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:38:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/a4zqGpsRgib5QzgV80sGuTlwjlZLJxRt5jSvqwXR9I=; b=vQ7mDMm/pKQd91ELbKdLWMdzHw7Fc7wjNYKXnsgzzAG3BayuLKtxHbA0IgvYIU/F0k jMrDHMirJR4y89xu3UjOY3XP9gX4gUYbXVbDiTPlr3eii0XY1onLdt96iqdDfvBv8VNl tnC01I4wC+JfbTs+8qztEGc8nSUX+aw9CBT4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=wscf+XKtu1b633ukvhUd/kP7Pd6OtSieTRPSUAyVL7NwNDwIpxKR9IYjmyrC7PBzJk r00Vjqox6zfLbIaPdXz83N8WF29QmG+TzB+IMaIm9NYLEhjYkr3T0V6hrUsl9WV4Th20 G9uoKsth/yr2y7nkLlPpFbEBJEIjgDh/M5QCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.8.3 with SMTP id 3mr872095wfh.72.1256765893965; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE8B2BE.2050509@rawbw.com> References: <4AE8B2BE.2050509@rawbw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: <11167f520910281438g472564c3u17f1979814b314e2@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: yuri@rawbw.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:38:15 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Yuri wrote: > I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, others > are banned by BIOS. > Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? There was a commit to 9 CURRENT the other day r198429 so Current has some support for it Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:48:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2524B106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB4F8FC1C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9SLmNwb049414 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Subject: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:48:51 -0000 well, i just bought a used dell for my new DNS, mail, and web server. they snickered when i asked if they would pre-install freebsd... so it's up to me. this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. it has "256MN ATI X1300 PRo" video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1" widescreen display? 80GB drive, so it is only a server. as well as a backup for critical audio and jpg files and stuff i don't want to lose. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. thanks in advance, gents, gary PS: the "breakthru" is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 21:55:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041A4106568D for ; 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charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:55:29 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon replied: [snip] >That's not FreeBSD's fault. If "professional web designers" >need to "optimize" their content in order to prevent you from >properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to >them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't >want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | I am more bored than you could ever possibly be. Go back to work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:02:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1DD106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD868FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9BE3CAE5; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:02:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SM2b8R001958; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:02:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:02:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:02:39 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some > kind of sound card. That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) > it has "256MN ATI X1300 PRo" video. is this enough to power > my new [year-old] 20.1" widescreen display? Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. > so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for > years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. No. You can start the installation from the first CD which gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this means via Internet. You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, or the live FS. > i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro > somewhere. There is a DVD available. > thanks in advance, gents, Good luck! > PS: the "breakthru" is that i'll be doing everything with my > one hand/arm. Manual operations. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:18:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C959106568D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B968FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7443CE0B; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:18:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SMIoPa001984; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:18:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:18:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20091028231850.2054c7d3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028175520.5822fcb3@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> <20091028222553.224ba333.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028175520.5822fcb3@scorpio.seibercom.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:52 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 > Polytropon Polytropon replied: > > [snip] > > >That's not FreeBSD's fault. If "professional web designers" > >need to "optimize" their content in order to prevent you from > >properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to > >them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't > >want me to see is not worth seeing. > > You don't really believe that do you. > Web creators attempt to make their > sites accessible to the largest possible audience. Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you are on without "Flash". Very useful for blind persons. > It is probably cost > prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in > every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. In most cases where "Flash" is used, it is used to annoy users with animated advertisement (where previously animated GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The term "quality" does not refer to the amount of different media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what you said: "largest possible audience". This includes all the "exceptions", such as blind users who need a readout on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. You can, however, achieve this with "Flash", if you embed it correctly and maybe offer an alternative ("No 'Flash' version") of the content. The same is for using the alt= and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. > Any intelligent business > plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest > possible audience. Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users do use: "Windows" and "Flash". If this is present, fine. If not... "NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE!" :-) > This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of nVidia: a) open up the devices and the drivers so the community can develop quality drivers b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer binary packages And of course, for the users: c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough about. According to "Flash", why would you think it's okay to require a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary company to see PNG images, and know that this company does not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. The day that "Flash" is an open standard and can be used the same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. > You > simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a > product for what is in reality a niche OS. Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. They have the change to make "Flash" a standard (by opening it). If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with some "Windows" and a prone-to-abuse plugin of "Flash" just to see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe JavaScript. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:20:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64425106566C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A6E8FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1138129pwj.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=heVvIsftuKyhbtFKBxcJUcAzfPcjj5HVXh0yduWPCUo=; b=sMbpwKYktGLZx0V/g1bQhR+Et/oIVS1hD3AfkSeRAPOqqS8nfmdt7aDKoUR+Qm8/kX O/j8uqRBh93061wDanoWlh9Ui6eKXXx2ktPeTt3BgHu8sIt/62uRlnrWd31SyHAzViZV aAcoCOZFOuFXnda95MwoZzHAzl4wTXIvBM/co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ixYE5dcngWcYr7XKpR+qP8o45tlJhBHJuPWAACJQ/lVRG4ThdwuOEufLj8/XARaXwm IJVoQNctqcEHUqj15SLlkZuTRfi4+hL/v1Rmw6JXhE8O4++FfSljQK6tnfGxNmj2eygI hw37X+HpWpdYzvKkksADItp5E/J2ive69vJx4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.60.5 with SMTP id i5mr715461wfa.102.1256768419761; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091028175520.5822fcb3@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> <20091028222553.224ba333.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028175520.5822fcb3@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910281520n65ae1917h1f32df5b93c53538@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:20:20 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 > > You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their > sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost > prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in > every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business > plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest > possible audience. > > This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You > simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a > product for what is in reality a niche OS. > > -- > Jerry > > Nvidia 64 is a different animal. They have communicated why they didn't release such a driver, and my understanding is that most or all of those shortcomings have been remedied in 8 making discussion of a new amd64 binary possible now. It is also my understanding FreeBSD in one form or another has attempted to bridge to gap with adobe, and haven't received feedback and are basically ignored. Disdain could easily be interpreted by such a response. I'm unclear as to what you expect FreeBSD to do in such a situation. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:31:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B941065697 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidn04@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1178FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so344725qwb.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MkGw1ReTNPJuu470KWXHG0cTCJawiOU01Jwxexe9Ues=; b=mwbwbgshXe8J7FpVEVK2ccjRbrdbt2YjjyFouj3ZKubh+qZ1hRt8cVfny+b9BfBs7q 8ZBtWS9+Qvu9sdFVbbylqli1TJeulge07WDHo6yKDZ2qpQKnw0cy0n3vARc5XfE4N2cw xeefMCuDXQjLVTneVCqnLLStYJZdO2pdqE0SM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d+xaCeWRe/TWJMwdhLi23RL95DKSEmMO3xgiKX+jE3jQcSpjZ5PaQWnWjWw4wk+DuX 3e/pFnz9MAsq4A6t8BgOZUrkDWp/w5zFFOdBqetrJcM3kFCu8CFETVZImY96lqCaYuwc IPdGQB2PIdy6orcbftbKIZDDkBCAvfE5pu05E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.9.147 with SMTP id l19mr1097444qcl.65.1256769083629; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:31:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AE8B266.2070306@yahoo.fr> References: <20091027150519.dcee178a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE75293.5020603@yahoo.fr> <20091028125215.55ad3801.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8A1B3.2070503@yahoo.fr> <4d7dd86f0910281312u54015538sb492db1ebc51fe59@mail.gmail.com> <4AE8B266.2070306@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:31:23 +1100 Message-ID: <4d7dd86f0910281531v185b9130hdcc70dc70d53526b@mail.gmail.com> From: David N To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Gr=FCnewald?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd questions general Subject: Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:25 -0000 2009/10/29 Micha=EBl Gr=FCnewald : > Hello David, > > thank you for your comments, > > David N wrote: >> >> 2009/10/29 Micha=EBl Gr=FCnewald : >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION =3D=3D=3D >>> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 >>> Num =A0Test_Description =A0 =A0Status =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Remaining >>> LifeTime(hours) >>> =A0LBA_of_first_error >>> # 1 =A0Extended offline =A0 =A0Completed without error =A0 =A0 =A0 00% = =A0 =A0 =A0 458 >>> - >>> # 2 =A0Extended offline =A0 =A0Aborted by host =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 70% =A0 =A0 =A0 456 > > [...] >> >> If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block >> (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend >> to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, >> usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is >> damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace >> is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. > > > I have Reallocated_Sector_Ct=3D0 for the faulty drive. Where can I find a= key > fo reading all the other exciting numbers listed under the banner > > ``SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 > =A0Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:'' ? > > > On the hard-drive I use for my backups, a SAMSUNG HD501LJ, =A0all the num= bers > I read looks fine to me, but I want to be sure. Thus it would be nice hav= e a > key for the table that `smartctl -a /dev/ad6' outputs. My two other drive= s, > I use to store my OS and my data, are MAXTOR STM3250820AS (I do not have = a > RAID setup, it just happens that I have twin hard drives). They both have > `Reallocated_Sector_Ct=3D0' but have positive `Raw_Read_Error_Rate', > `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive > `Reported_incorrect=3D119',`Current_Pending_Sector=3D4294967295' and > `Offline_Uncorrectable=3D4294967295'. > > As looking for hints on google leads to many threads discussing hard-driv= e > failures, I did not find what a pleasant description of the signification= of > these numbers. > -- > Kind regards, > Micha=EBl > > More information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. > `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive > `Reported_incorrect=3D119',`Current_Pending_Sector=3D4294967295' and > `Offline_Uncorrectable=3D4294967295'. It looks like your drive is trying to remap a bad block, but can't seem to do so. You may need to do a cold boot. Or force a read/write from that sector to tell the drive to try to remap it again. dd if=3D/dev/adX of=3D/dev/null skip=3D4294967295 count=3D1 (Read from the = block#) Looks like your HDD with the positive Current_Pending_Sector and Offline_Uncorrectable with that is going bad. Once it manages to remap the block, your Reallocated_Sector_Ct will increase/decrease (depends on the counter), once it reaches the THRESH counter, its out of blocks to map. I would recommend you change HDD as soon as possible. Regards David N From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:32:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF53106568D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@bertram-scharpf.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6248FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bs.l (e180035085.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.180.35.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MCuYR-1MvKiu1FC7-009bC2; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:43 +0100 Received: from bsch by bs.l with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3H4M-000769-QC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:42 +0100 From: Bertram Scharpf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Sender: Bertram Scharpf X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+nM3NTimM8C6FFV8V+umihQu1ZfgG+9HtHeEv NR3kOCCoPU8XCNg3gHcd+P6Qtkz3+fCkkgRUpSVhm85xuybK6T NaUGvangyvdiwO+l6FOfPWwJZdgO/Ei Subject: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:32:45 -0000 Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:39:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D270106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7278FC16 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9733CE5E; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:39:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SMdQt8002099; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:39:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:39:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bertram Scharpf Message-Id: <20091028233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:39:28 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:42 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge > columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. > Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? What about "ls -laFG /"? It produces a nice output, too. :-) Or try this one: % primes 2 | tr "\n" "\t" Other "famous listings" include a ping run or "make update"; even "make" of some port could look nice. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:43:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429FB106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mak@kolybabi.com) Received: from mail.nepharia.org (mail.nepharia.org [209.44.104.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6E8FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brisbane.nepharia.org (wnpgmb0816w-ds01-16-115.dynamic.mts.net [207.161.16.115]) by mail.nepharia.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2F1F3E89A8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by brisbane.nepharia.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1000 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) mak@kolybabi.com; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:01 -0500 From: Mak Kolybabi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091028224301.GA13397@brisbane.gateway.2wire.net> References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:43:04 -0000 On 2009-10-28 23:32, Bertram Scharpf wrote: > As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of > numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a > programm that produces such nice output? If you're not dead-set on numbers, somethings like the following works: while true; do; dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 2>/dev/null | sha256; done -- Matthew Anthony Kolybabi (Mak) () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:44:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7398106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82BA8FC1C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD3F3CD52; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SMiKfn002130; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:20 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20091028234420.b95e9154.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> <20091028233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bertram Scharpf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:23 -0000 Replying to myself and adding: % hexdump looks interesting, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:46:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362F9106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from af.gourmet@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082B58FC1B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from [192.168.0.51] ([96.21.103.185]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0KS800G7MXWN6JT0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <4AE8BB99.60303@videotron.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:46:01 -0400 From: PJ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: Polytropon References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <20091025062322.GA985@sandcat> <4AE63986.6090106@videotron.ca> <20091027051352.417ce684@scorpio.seibercom.net> <1256674827.6414.8.camel@lenzinote.wrinfo> <4AE7696F.1030601@videotron.ca> <20091028125318.44ee6593@elena.home> <20091028141025.248563e3.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE8435E.7030202@videotron.ca> <20091028210542.4bde5c3a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4AE89F54.7000901@videotron.ca> <20091028222553.224ba333.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028175520.5822fcb3@scorpio.seibercom.net> <20091028231850.2054c7d3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-reply-to: <20091028231850.2054c7d3.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:01 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 >> Polytropon Polytropon replied: >> >> [snip] >> >> >>> That's not FreeBSD's fault. If "professional web designers" >>> need to "optimize" their content in order to prevent you from >>> properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to >>> them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't >>> want me to see is not worth seeing. >>> >> You don't really believe that do you. >> > > >> Web creators attempt to make their >> sites accessible to the largest possible audience. >> > > Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... > for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you > are on without "Flash". Very useful for blind persons. > > > > >> It is probably cost >> prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in >> every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. >> > > In most cases where "Flash" is used, it is used to annoy > users with animated advertisement (where previously animated > GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple > as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in > JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). > > If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The > term "quality" does not refer to the amount of different > media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different > fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what > you said: "largest possible audience". This includes all > the "exceptions", such as blind users who need a readout > on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. > > You can, however, achieve this with "Flash", if you embed > it correctly and maybe offer an alternative ("No 'Flash' > version") of the content. The same is for using the alt= > and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. > > Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. > Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. > > > > >> Any intelligent business >> plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest >> possible audience. >> > > Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that > would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors > of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users > do use: "Windows" and "Flash". If this is present, fine. If > not... "NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE!" :-) > > > > >> This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. >> > > FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think > so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of > nVidia: > a) open up the devices and the drivers so the > community can develop quality drivers > b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer > binary packages > And of course, for the users: > c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. > > FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement > the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for > a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough > about. > > According to "Flash", why would you think it's okay to require > a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and > hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? > And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... > sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. > > Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a > web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the > images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary > company to see PNG images, and know that this company does > not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin > for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel > so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. > > The day that "Flash" is an open standard and can be used the > same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means > of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. > > > > >> You >> simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a >> product for what is in reality a niche OS. >> > > Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. > They have the change to make "Flash" a standard (by opening it). > If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, > a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with > some "Windows" and a prone-to-abuse plugin of "Flash" just to > see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled > web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe > JavaScript. > HEY, GUYS.... I think you're forgetting one very important aspect of all this crap... the fault lies with ADOBE.... just look at the greedy sobs - they produce overpriced products (that, incidentally, they sell to the kChinese at ludicrous prices or repates and tolerate their illegal copying) which are notoriously buggy - they bloat the OSs and never really fix their errors.... they are the ones who should provide some semblance of stability in their products rather than comi;ng out with really unnecessary updates and changes every few months - it is these changes that cause all the problems... SO THERE... let's end this discussion about such trivial and nonessential things as a buggy program. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:49:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5970E106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC4E8FC18 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-97-236.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.97.236]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242703CDD4; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:49:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9SMn9Zc002461; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:49:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:49:09 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mak Kolybabi Message-Id: <20091028234909.8fc54981.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028224301.GA13397@brisbane.gateway.2wire.net> References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> <20091028224301.GA13397@brisbane.gateway.2wire.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:11 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:01 -0500, Mak Kolybabi wrote: > If you're not dead-set on numbers, somethings like the following works: > > while true; do; dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 2>/dev/null | sha256; done ^ Without this ; it works (tested: sh, bash) - and looks nice, too. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 22:49:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B5C106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaflatooni@yahoo.com) Received: from web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E0548FC12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 80516 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2009 22:49:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256770156; bh=A3eewjT4TwETWlRlNEKfB47uxkplaxD6fvdxwNizfPk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Acu0yGB4uPu/Fe6B19fQ2mrHPZ4lIgoA67ThdkhEoi31Ca+oCe8UcHyJPM3ncgCwZVB38uRgl9iUpX4cKvbWglFK2mFTuNeDCrIweBCtM1eeT28kFRSsOVi+F3YHYcGcpfLMQBmVd0N5k0MON06/xetKy06ouU6240hX33sVQg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QtMUccgdCDgPsehQEcC/mqPY88pwpgo/kFs4+kmQn4OhPXr5BU9HWBcu+ZPA9HzHVhOZVI9pNBrTCxXzb54oI5Gg56eBEF35cuXM9Vw2gnfBLgN8kpyw5rA8+MZaR8LuEZwUaxK/VkdUgyI6eFQXWzIml2QlYCygJWmeCAi+ap8=; Message-ID: <73281.80475.qm@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0rP_4UYVM1lEu._Gkxk86u4Bq8Xfxj1tlfxktbb7Z3O77QRFWY8eSQzI4SCXNYmHcNQDl00KiVxvhqwJ.FbYlWR.RWXjvI9FDk3.vlDirmUkw29FcE_qjq8d5dak9AgvNnmDx_VDbazdCDbbzi08i1z_5CV4m9Ay6T_opYN1GvD4oeUO_Byk27C0x0S_OjvczTSEv6ECOMcfG4dTgjOp_X4kxKfO17DKzmdbGhuPIDPS9pIQuu0ATkZg6rXjclyhXDhcnwT3frZvxlKL0LFCe5L.yDpWN4e1JhKJrMekEKLdXWWxEzO4XQbF65xmhDGnOboR11kUaRxVDizr.1extRJIHkXi5H5IZP52Ka83HkzsZ3BDcJcxATos Received: from [66.49.176.49] by web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/182.10 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Aflatoon Aflatooni To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Bind Sendmail to an IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:49:17 -0000 Hi,=0AI have a Freebsd 7.2 installation and using Sendmail for the SMTP ser= vice. This server has two public interfaces and different IP addresses.=0AI= need to have sendmail configured so that the outbound emails are sent usin= g a certain IP address (SPF rules).=A0 I have=A0tried the following without= any success:=0A=0ADAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=3Dx.y.z.i')dnl=0A=A0=0AAny help or = suggestions would be greatly appriciated.=0A=A0=0AThanks=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 23:08:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DBF106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1172B8FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9SN7dSa050128; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:08:02 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:08:11 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some > > kind of sound card. > > That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) > > > > it has "256MN ATI X1300 PRo" video. is this enough to power > > my new [year-old] 20.1" widescreen display? > > Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. > > > > > so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? > > > > true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for > > years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. > > No. You can start the installation from the first CD which > gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). > Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this > means via Internet. > > You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, > or the live FS. > > > > > i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro > > somewhere. > > There is a DVD available. > > > > > thanks in advance, gents, > > Good luck! > > > > > PS: the "breakthru" is that i'll be doing everything with my > > one hand/arm. > > Manual operations. :-) > LOLOLOL. indeed, indeed.... thanks, Polyt. later on, gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 23:10:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD7E1065692 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4a.socket.net [216.106.48.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFBA8FC15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.129.40.201] (216.106.12.14.reverse.socket.net [216.106.12.14]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697D47D2F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:10:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: From: Jay Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:10:11 -0500 References: <20091022012543.489B810656AA@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: Re: gnu tar checkpoint variable expansion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:10:13 -0000 > > Try this: > > /usr/local/gtar-1.22/bin/tar -cf - ${WHATTOBACKUP} \ > --checkpoint-action='echo=Checkpoint #%u' \ > --checkpoint-action="exec=/usr/local/scripts/check_disk_usage.sh $ > {DIR}" > > The use of single quotes prohibits the expansion of environment > variables. Use double qoutes instead. Thanks Trond, this did the trick. Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 23:44:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF489106566B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f189.google.com (mail-iw0-f189.google.com [209.85.223.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA498FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn27 with SMTP id 27so977902iwn.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GtG+rkiwRpkEHhbXw5UKnPeLQaaZScQnU+wBd9I9pQg=; b=HJkkL9mbFps3g06RB7YalHh6vPlc+Jln9CkclCX2XF2oqZEh31KtmFj/jvkDv+8Ewc Ice5s7p1XfWusPndHybjh5qVSKY26aaQDbAbIQY4+ci2EL9CJk2ixC4mfuq5wZexPjUK l/Y2qv8VbA9Iv8z/rXzE+qlyFAxVNoizez5pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LPu8b+J+CTDJLiITMHHUATn5sV5XK8A220iB/qnglDfs5LcGQIKCsIr6T4ItIDEzUY wArRtM8PPgq5jsxL1fZIC66AoGSaYQn2o1NDo0rp7s4ifV2NpaY7NzO0e8HjTU/o7DN0 4rkyXFkdmJjcn47lLlP++pedOWl8CNm7lwRkM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.20.230 with SMTP id g38mr6484201ibb.49.1256773482698; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:44:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:44:43 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline wrote= : >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? >> >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. =C2=A0= still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 23:45:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6141065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mlobo@digiart.art.br) Received: from sv4.hmnoc.net (sv4.hmnoc.net [63.247.76.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89B68FC14 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [187.78.37.244] (port=53584 helo=papi.localnet) by sv4.hmnoc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3ICm-0000wD-JG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:45:28 -0200 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:45:06 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-RC1; KDE/4.3.1; amd64; ; ) References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910282045.06397.mlobo@digiart.art.br> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sv4.hmnoc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - digiart.art.br Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:45:30 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 23:11:15 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista > partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or > /etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g > instead of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems > {I am on RC2 right now}]? I have FreeBSD papi 8.0-RC1 and fusefs works perfectly via mount & fstab. Did you replace the original mount_ntfs with ntfs-3g like bellow? cd /sbin mv -f mount_ntfs mount_ntfs-kern ln -s /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g mount_ntfs After that, any call to mount_ntfs will grant RW to the disk. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 00:12:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851BE106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBF78FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1289846ewy.43 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:12:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=/f0WeZn0QEq+fFYrgsMFrfjSWEyAhP7Jt8bO7wXbbM4=; b=fQNmvPo77rEoJyCdS4dMmWo+Jvef+s7rEzdGavyVQwzGNqiIVav3xGbv4KHVOkrMwi e+bBF+K1g6sEgcf1cvXXClA/vOQHkpH6t7FZsLK9oQyB/zOKOD35wb6KdE4oF5gZjkT/ QAiVJKZNI8KxrxmzeGKPZkRai+h6FqP9s50TQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=WwYZYoNjx4XCHBu7pg8a9tAhQP50YFAlR5C7XMs2Uj+Lh4MODqzKo1Rf6btZilHlqK 612xGsLrzhUpcSd0xmoACIouyaT2P3HiIO1N4dI6i/OLCbA5lRrPmMahGCVAAy0K724a aR81msAmMro/742/Z72QuSNNPWhC1x2LumB9g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.147.26 with SMTP id z26mr1613114ebn.73.1256775126155; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1d7089c40910281712r226c36b7h6838cb79b4c759a4@mail.gmail.com> From: Henry Olyer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: I'm sure you've heard this before... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:12:07 -0000 I want to turn the disks off. I sometimes run large jobs and want to switch down the drives. On some IBM blades, I have FBSD 6.1, on another machine I am using 7.2. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 00:15:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFFD1065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664928FC26 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9T0EhJv019400; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:14:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BF1335FDAD; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:14:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6A95FDAA; 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Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C258FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C3B38334; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:19:51 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Henry Olyer Message-ID: <20091029001951.000044b7@unknown> In-Reply-To: <1d7089c40910281712r226c36b7h6838cb79b4c759a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d7089c40910281712r226c36b7h6838cb79b4c759a4@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2cvs15 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I'm sure you've heard this before... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:21:06 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:06 -0400 Henry Olyer wrote: > I want to turn the disks off. > > I sometimes run large jobs and want to switch down the drives. > > On some IBM blades, I have FBSD 6.1, on another machine I am using > 7.2. If they're ATA drives you can use my ATAidle utility from sysutils/ataidle. In FreeBSD 7 you can also use the "spindown" command that's been added to atacontrol(8). -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:03:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38F3106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725898FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so382091qwb.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=n9LLmI/ub5XX0KZk2CoorbWTYOP7tI3wS/g1qtP3xYU=; b=d3Sdoho52+CSo+/gz9U19hQBEdz1pj5ZRNuJaQl3NGIxjxFE/LT9xxG7Vh4WXRDJIY c2P6moBrk3os475unrnN/sRzBSbOy1Yf1yUmSCwm9/iyM+GZ8XMKs30nfDKO6Ni4wdqZ r0R9zoItVObsEUcXzK05X3EG56nlG0WTHstLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=ZRM0qSPGyGn1VLfmeF1oAL3cFgfAOM8nFNodUm7nSq9kIe7gBJ4gGQLYfMQJj+TCVb MHSIRAz5e1gWEn0J+4xLBLYQX5/uDYVdJXlH5fWXYwaOSguhCtbtfjsCY7Ta8NJ+RgWu 2Zno4S4x4rZTfGIkI8WWPdGjmkk56V+sZVs+s= Received: by 10.224.124.4 with SMTP id s4mr4359225qar.307.1256785407705; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-22.152.dialinfree.com (ppp-22.152.dialinfree.com [209.172.22.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1001335qyk.6.2009.10.28.20.03.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03:04 -0400 From: jhell To: Bertram Scharpf In-Reply-To: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> Message-ID: References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:03:28 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: > Hi, > > > my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. > The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. > > As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge > columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. > Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bertram > > > Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be specific. Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on every computer out there. Integer Sequences database located here: fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) sed & awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the something like the following. # For bourne style shells. for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line && sleep .02 ;done The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing might be needed but that's up to you. Best of luck. -- Wed Oct 28 22:52:47 2009 -0500 jhell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:14:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD25106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8004B8FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so383485qwb.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=1eU0gXPId2XeDSxLQrvo1LCUEIoZ5ARzzWt+c7okxkM=; b=gRAum5+7OKA6hII4uLVJ4BQ1Ih7inNY76Z5vreaSw59S+HI/0rAxi0/KnPjTf/ZiCU JjGczBB8iux05fsE7fg8aLEMirlKGFISc62O11Snk/KucJj6aax9wjBuZDVxaLfZkJDt wXXp3k3ZxlGn/ZERgWodrGHOk9FFmcVkLpx8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=A3a9oM1GJwfArDkmqCqeRwJdR5WsCGzABU7+VxLLgBAS1fqAQd2jbEcRk8d5QCWV2G /CNp/wAGsLztOUZAQXbm0L6B+/4zhPXJx4QHrHP56JCyLxrTbjK9wzC7IyTLNBMDMmUa //tMcaNsM9IJl0wjaa0J6vDVsKodpPf/3NSpw= Received: by 10.224.117.133 with SMTP id r5mr9753338qaq.133.1256786059740; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-22.152.dialinfree.com (ppp-22.152.dialinfree.com [209.172.22.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1006322qyk.7.2009.10.28.20.14.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:14:09 -0400 From: jhell To: jhell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Bertram Scharpf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:14:20 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03, jhell@ wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. >> The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. >> >> As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge >> columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. >> Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Bertram >> >> >> > > > Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be > specific. > > Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on > every computer out there. > > Integer Sequences database located here: > fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz > > Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) > > sed & awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so > it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the > something like the following. > > # For bourne style shells. > for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line && sleep .09 ;done > > The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing > might be needed but that's up to you. > > Best of luck. > > For extra added effect make things a little bit larger. xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 80x30+0+0 -bw 0 -T "Your favorite title here." -- Wed Oct 28 23:10:31 2009 -0500 jhell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:26:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342201065670 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:26:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E4F8FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B82EB470C; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661D2451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:14 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vCoHyDADQU2T; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C0D45152; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T3QCNq052685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9T3QBOF052684; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Aflatoon Aflatooni References: <73281.80475.qm@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:26:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <73281.80475.qm@web56205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> (Aflatoon Aflatooni's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87d446vq25.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bind Sendmail to an IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:26:16 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: > Hi, > I have a Freebsd 7.2 installation and using Sendmail for the SMTP > service. This server has two public interfaces and different IP > addresses. > > I need to have sendmail configured so that the outbound emails are > sent using a certain IP address (SPF rules).=A0 I have=A0tried the > following without any success: > > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=3Dx.y.z.i')dnl > =A0 > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. When Sendmail relays messages to another server it acts as the `client' for that server. So you have to use CLIENT_OPTIONS() instead of the DAEMON_OPTIONS() you are using now: CLIENT_OPTIONS(`Addr=3Da.b.c.d')dnl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:32:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7CB106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5448FC1C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so1384046ewy.43 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X9pidcMCS1HM7GwfByd1oaEaAx9HNzRz+cJulnhEUuE=; b=oAu82Yvkbcq9JeVGQlkzVo2zs3WPcpPMl6Vas/lswJRFJiL0gu3gzwL/9Bmwmv7dtZ ZRdNUsTWThP24LxJfvy1KzpT6DGSDPD7GPaF1bjvkPuOcWRjkYyZ+dvgEsYFP0VGL8HR 4QLvbPpsx3ndNDBzkcSBuu/XK4Ith0ihqrmsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xWf3Us2JDYBQ/2U+VNvGAxWSdGxRdmRoh/cPiQ9Ci2XUNj/PJ39+nMK1htjXfKZGGm 5XP9+yLozCmHrAdJV8aKMCkZQeV0JGHJ/BJrCYc7gOBNBQ8VK4/8qNRFAXsFr9nSwq3q 9ffQoeJyJIXK1zeN/Op0PnAVzEOoLzW5/7Hec= Received: by 10.211.174.13 with SMTP id b13mr4734108ebp.73.1256787157050; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm4580139eya.20.2009.10.28.20.32.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:32:33 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091029033233.167588e7@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:32:39 -0000 On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 +0000 Freminlins wrote: > I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD > a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the > misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser > plugin working unreliably. Some time ago I installed the windows version of Firefox and Flash under wine and I've found it pretty reliable. I don't use it all the time just on the small number of sites where flash is essential. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:37:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E99106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3078FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1277002pwj.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=vfTW3mPzTUCtuJyLcsf4bvdraGq3fNMiZd5azKIDJ7g=; b=ONBgVdvMwuuiTYjTmZm7X7tOZbumU5KKMziqlNaDh7WseLTjPnL2MdDkOmXXipUv9O Yr4tz4PYZfsgZUd+kLgK4rmfUe973+PKv9iTnsDfsqs58+Umuq/Pzh6Ncx3nSrE4hZlh DA4/2L0nWEc0UiD9E7cb1lTu/dXv3MlAbOJ2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=CsbSKKcZ4Ix+SlofE8b/V24cGtF9US0URTkKRReW5VXkoJNEit9RppM2I/X6zgy47Q 8SA5q1D9Thm/XrUUBxnkg43OeX7OBSwCLCo7tF0npEREMrSAQ/Xgp7cK+XH2C2js00Qd UdVMz1F7yYa8habAhf0CPTLk4iollkZXRMzlM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.247.38 with SMTP id u38mr1575047wfh.349.1256787421079; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: <11167f520910282037s49d40fd7x7617e996a27d4f22@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: freebsd general questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Multiple PostgreSQL 8.4 instances in FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 Jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:37:01 -0000 Hello List, I want to setup 5 postgreSQL 8.4 servers in separate jails on a amd64 FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 machine while searching the web for someone that has done this before I found this: my question is this... is this still relevant on FreeBSD 8.0 RC2(amd64) and postgreSQL 8.4 The following was taken from this link http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/1244846.html "Marc G. Fournier" writes: > You've all lost me here ... what exactly is the problem? You can't run multiple instances of PostgreSQL on the same machine (even in chroot or jail, even without TCP/IP support) without changing the port number in postgresql.conf. PostgreSQL creates shared memory segments with keys based on the port number, so separate instances will try to create and use the same segments if configured to use the same port number. > PostgreSQL > works under FreeBSD 4.x jails without any modifications, so how is > PostgreSQL itself currently broken? It seems to me that the problem > is with FreeBSD 5.x's jail side of things, if the same daemon runs > fine under 4.x, but, nto under 5.x ... PostgreSQL has always had this problem, both on 4.x and 5.x. A hack was put in place last November to work around it, but it still exists, and while it may now be possible (with 8.0) for multiple postmasters to run on the same machine, it is also still possible for malicious code in one jail to crash postmasters in other jails. The underlying problem is that FreeBSD does not have separate SHM namespaces in each jail, but, as has already been pointed out, that problem is fairly hard to fix. Patching PostgreSQL to use something else than SysV shared memory is easier and will benefit other OSes as well. DES Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:37:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BBC106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:37:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EEF8FC15 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9T3bcvq019558; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:37:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7083E3C33A; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:37:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by 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Cgo= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 03:52:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B688106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com (mail-qy0-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04DC8FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so935634qyk.3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=F35vAnpKdV165ZnzmM55Pf5eafy+wvh9YPxMwrFF8EA=; b=hQXTBxlgoKlpLuCIczy3WM1ysoIT+FhwrMaGqB4f3cGmmCIqu4nVqqsH9PX35bud9s 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Hellenthal" Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:52:12 -0400 From: jhell To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4AE7A843.4060300@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: win 7 dual boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:52:16 -0000 On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11, aryeh.friedman@ wrote: > I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when > I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and > after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use > EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's "magic" > bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or > any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? > > Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista > partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or > /etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead of > via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2 > right now}]? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You could attempt some trickery with grub if you have the option of using it and if you are installing Win/7 to its own drive. Here is the specs. Install FreeBSD on your first drive ;) the way it should be... Install GRUB from ports or packages whatever you prefer. Edit your menu.lst file to contain something like: title WINDO~7 ;) map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) (hd0,0) chainloader +1 Now reboot into your bios and turn off your FreeBSD drive and your secondary drive should remain and to Windows 7 as long as it is staying along the same lines as Windows XP will just accept your secondary as your primary drive C: and just install its MBR to that drive. After your done reboot into your BIOS turn your FreeBSD drive back on. Tada! you now have a bootable system where grub swaps your drives around for you and confuses Windows 7 into thinking its the primary C: drive and you can upgrade without touching the first disks MBR. I have this setup running on the machine I am writing this email from and for fail-over sake if my FreeBSD disk takes a hike windows will pick right back up without even noticing the first disk being gone. I have also disabled my FreeBSD disk in windows devices just to be sure that nothing happens to it as a cause of windows. Anyway... Hope this gives you just another option to consider. Best of luck. -- Wed Oct 28 23:33:49 2009 -0500 jhell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 04:01:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CD4106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C2E8FC1D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9T40XwS052110; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Kurt Buff Message-ID: <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:01:02 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > >> > so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? > >> > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? > > This: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 04:20:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2361065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@gmail.com) Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com (qw-out-2122.google.com [74.125.92.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01D68FC19 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so391360qwb.7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:20:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; bh=8wU2q4Rsnz33GPj9uvJeKz9G9pOeQMcC309XrJj17wE=; b=gGOFWTDTx+M0JfsRiJmFcbuR8xAMB0XN3MQpOmjRij5yHifA9claqTfkbXM102kW04 LLPGkbi75Nyk2gAyWnJWyqspVjk2ov7AJiUtfmbUM6sSBh+CpAHwkuZNw7GpAO/GIyzi xhSmQa7QSdn3jvzlEKGvYA7t4vHEti65SRMlU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:x-openpgp-key-id:x-openpgp-key-fingerprint:mime-version :content-type; b=PiDSkFWEUOrrb0+XplPI7ZOV2Hiv6R+cEyG9ZEdYIjaokRbxTVGQiQKoJ10xDryslc g4MyOlnfekJvf42CuP/w4hLEICFubWikD1NcEFukTfo1rEZyuOhvwV1v/9ZU1jRFXnXM vndAXTKdZ8wOmEsmo/KWULBvk6Gvk28GpsAmQ= Received: by 10.224.24.84 with SMTP id u20mr9733638qab.160.1256790013845; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-22.186.dialinfree.com (ppp-22.186.dialinfree.com [209.172.22.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1038549qyk.7.2009.10.28.21.20.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: "J. Hellenthal" Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:20:07 -0400 From: jhell To: Gary Gatten In-Reply-To: <21901_1256787458_4AE90E02_21901_537_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEED0@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: References: <21901_1256787458_4AE90E02_21901_537_1_70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A08CCEED0@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x89D8547E X-OpenPGP-Key-Fingerprint: 85EF E26B 07BB 3777 76BE B12A 9057 8789 89D8 547E MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:20:15 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:37, Ggatten@ wrote: > How but some ascii art that animates Beastie walking across the screen or something? A little creativity? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > To: jhell > Cc: Bertram Scharpf ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wed Oct 28 22:14:09 2009 > Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers > > > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03, jhell@ wrote: >> >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. >>> The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. >>> >>> As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge >>> columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. >>> Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Bertram >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be >> specific. >> >> Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on >> every computer out there. >> >> Integer Sequences database located here: >> fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz >> >> Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) >> >> sed & awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so >> it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the >> something like the following. >> >> # For bourne style shells. >> for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line && sleep .09 ;done >> >> The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing >> might be needed but that's up to you. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> > > > For extra added effect make things a little bit larger. > xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 80x30+0+0 -bw 0 -T "Your favorite title here." > > Load up logo_saver.ko on a VM, record the output with XVidCap on the hosting machine & play it back with mplayer -vo aa. ;) loop until happy. -- Thu Oct 29 00:17:03 2009 -0500 jhell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 04:28:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D00B106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@laverenz.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04108FC0A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:28:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1256790510; l=538; s=domk; d=laverenz.de; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References: Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH; bh=7Pp8fvdn2yLHV2Ly0OS58bob5sc=; b=Aqgq8WBekwTj25RCZskwS0pI0FOUPDaNXn1cbYw8ayn9SuxWI2yF9FRuBF/fHR6IK1A slHH66K9WattYevFhtujbXaE+ByNumiDpmNfb+14jr0oAi/MFEfOjgYD4RP95UdQ0BDsW c0gAjJapwv+kkoEE9Sv8bJBdvhpHa9NtLGQ= X-RZG-AUTH: :LWgJfE6Id/4Sm/WkdV0gEbKL+/p/UjmosA/b4BPR0oc5Ok8I77Tf2A== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from athena.laverenz.de (91-67-3-21-dynip.superkabel.de [91.67.3.21]) by post.strato.de (mrclete mo36) (RZmta 22.1) with ESMTP id x05883l9T3M7ML for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:28:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94006127BEE for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:23:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from athena.laverenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (athena [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02849-05 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:23:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from t42.laverenz.lan (unknown [192.168.23.142]) by athena.laverenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08661127BDF for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:23:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE919F5.9030703@laverenz.de> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:28:37 +0100 From: Uwe Laverenz Organization: private site User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090625) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd general questions References: <11167f520910282037s49d40fd7x7617e996a27d4f22@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <11167f520910282037s49d40fd7x7617e996a27d4f22@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at laverenz.de Subject: Re: Multiple PostgreSQL 8.4 instances in FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 Jails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:28:33 -0000 Sam Fourman Jr. schrieb: > I want to setup 5 postgreSQL 8.4 servers in separate jails on a amd64 > FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 machine > while searching the web for someone that has done this before I found this: > > my question is this... is this still relevant on FreeBSD 8.0 > RC2(amd64) and postgreSQL 8.4 There seems to be a problem if postgres is running with the same user id in all jails. Dan Langille got it running a while ago. Please have a look at his (great) site: http://www.freebsddiary.org/jail-multiple.php Uwe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 04:34:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA2F106568D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:34:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC51A8FC0C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AFFEB476E; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:29 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A2F451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:29 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id em0MZdHKR8Ce; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D131B45152; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:28 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T4YRvQ053337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9T4YPFR053336; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gary Kline References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> (Gary Kline's message of "Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700") Message-ID: <877huevmwe.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:34:30 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD > (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i > mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? That's ok. Kurt is right. You can use the amd64 release on Intel Core2 Duo CPUs too. I believe this Wikipedia page will help a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 05:09:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A771065692 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1A18FC0C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T58XbE014031; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:08:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910290508.n9T58XqA014030@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:09:19 -0000 On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 +0000 "b. f." wrote: >On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." >> wrote: >>>Scott Bennet wrote: >... >> >> With one exception, I do not alter the >> contents of the ports tree manually. >... >> I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any >> changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of >> portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in "make deinstall && make >> reinstall" >... >> I resorted to a "portsnap fetch extract" in case something >> in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow. > >Right, I wasn't suggesting it was necessarily due to local changes to >the Ports tree, although on the face of it that was possible, but that >it may also have failed because, once in a while, binaries and other >files belonging to the base system or ports get corrupted, and >malfunction. This is usually due to hardware problems, user error, >and occasionally, an OS or third-party software bug. The lang/gcc4? >ports are lengthy and demanding builds, and are among the most likely >to fail if such problems exist. Yes, they are heavy-duty constructions. perl also tends to be huge and complex. > >... >> The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where >> a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which >> contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you. >> Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however. > >You may want to save it, so that it will be available if anyone >decides to try to track down the problem. > I'll hang onto it for a while, but will eventually get rid of it if no one wants it before I get around to deleting it in a few weeks or so. >> >> I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade. >> If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears >> to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too. >> > >If parallel builds are not disabled in a port Makefile, or by you, and >you have a multiple-cpu or multiple-core machine, then >ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk uses: > > ># Multiple make jobs support >.if defined(DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS) || defined(MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE) >_MAKE_JOBS= # >.else >.if defined(MAKE_JOBS_SAFE) || defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS) >MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus` >_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER} I figured it must do something of the sort. The CPU is an old 3.4 GHz P4 Prescott, so it has two logical processors, so MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER gets set to 2. Given the handbook recommendations and my own observations, it seems to me that the above method should actually multiply the value of kern.smp.cpus by at least 2.5 for best performance. For CPUs on separate cores, 3 is the recommended multiplier, but where HTT logical CPUs are involved a multiplier somewhat lower than that is in order. On the Prescott chips, 2.5 seems to work very well, so when I set MAKEFLAGS myself, I set it to 5, which is 2.5 * kern.smp.scpus. >.if defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS) >BUILD_FAIL_MESSAGE+= "You have chosen to use multiple make jobs >(parallelization) for all ports. This port was not tested for this >setting. Please remove FORCE_MAKE_JOBS and retry the build before >reporting the failure to the maintainer." >.endif >.endif >.endif > >to do a parallel build. Since this feature is relatively new, and >people are occasionally finding that it breaks port builds, then it is >an obvious thing to try disabling in a case like this, where you have >a demanding build, and some evidence that things are being done out of >the proper order. In the future, you can disable this feature for a >build by setting DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes on the make command line, in >the build environment, or in /etc/make.conf, e.g.: > >.if${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/lang/gcc44*} >DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes >.endif > >> >> portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the >> ports in question. > >Ok. I don't use portmaster often, but portupgrade will often restore >an old installation of the port from the backup package automatically >after a failure. > >... > >> I cannot begin to imagine why >> it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade. > >Occasionally a port exposes a bug in portmaster or portupgrade. This >may be such a case, especially since Doug Barton made some recent >changes to portmaster. But the most common reason for failure is that >many ports, to enable easy maintenance, use sloppy flags like >LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib or CPPFLAGS=-I${LOCALBASE}/include, that >may lead them to link against the older, already installed versions of >themselves, or to include old versions of their own headers if they >are present in the system. So it's always safer to deinstall a port >_before_ attempting to build it, or to build the port in a clean >sandbox as is done on many package-building clusters. portmaster and >portupgrade choose not to do this, in order to shorten the process of >recovering from a failed build, and to minimize the time during which >a piece of software is unavailable to users, and this can lead to >problems. I don't say that this happened in this case, but it is a >possibility. > >> I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the >> "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now possible >> thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple "-x" >> arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that worked >> in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this for >> a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed by >> portmaster or portupgrade, however. > >You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to >HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a I haven't been using portupgrade much lately. portmaster seems to be the recommended tool, and it's certainly a lot faster than portupgrade, which uses ruby18, another port broken by a recent update. (Hmm...that reminds me...I should try reinstalling ruby18 without using portmaster or portupgrade.) I do use portinstall to install packages because portmaster cannot yet install packages. >/var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of Yes, but that method doesn't work for perl, and IIRC, it doesn't work for lang/gcc?? either. The -x method does, however. >a pain to manage large updates -- you may be better off fashioning >your own tool. You could, for example, decide on a list of ports to >update, and then determine the ports that depend upon them, and sort >the lot into dependency order via: > >pkgdb -L (to be sure the pkgdb has got the dependency graph right) >pkg_glob -r | pkg_sort > /tmp/updatelist > >Now you could just feed this sorted update list to your own updating >script, or use one of the existing tools. For example, if you wanted >to use portupgrade, assuming that lang/gcc44 is midway down the update >list, and you've got lang/gcc44 in HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf: > >sed -n '1,/gcc-4.4/p' /tmp/updatelist | xargs portupgrade --batch -cfuv > >cd /tmp && pkg_create -b gcc-4.4* && make -C /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 >deinstall clean install && make -C /usr/ports/lang/gcc44 clean > >sed -n '/gcc-4.4/,$p' /tmp/updatelist | xargs portupgrade --batch -cfuv > >and youi've done the update in only a few steps. If you place it in >a script, it will be even easier. With portmaster, using -a, -f, or >-r, you could try interrupting or pausing the build at lang/gcc44, >rebuilding that port by hand, and then resuming the build, with -R and >the other appropriate flags if necessary. > Thanks much for the examples. I'll save your message for future reference in case I need to resort to them or to modified versions of them at some point. Scott Bennett, Comm. 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John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 05:33:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CCC106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-15.bnguk.net (atmail-15.bnguk.net [80.74.253.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D908FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-15.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3NdH-0004CU-5v; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:11 +0000 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6F5E4AC1B; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:10 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Gonzalo Nemmi Message-ID: <20091029053310.GA98268@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <200910281711.54965.gnemmi@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910281711.54965.gnemmi@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:33:19 -0000 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:11:54PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:14:17 am Frank Shute wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > [snippage] > > > > > > So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason > > > > for wanting to replace it. > > > > > > Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, > > > NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of > > > personal preference? > > > > I'll speculate as to the reasons: > > Come on .. there was no need to speculate .. you have the whole internet > at your finger tips ;) Heh, I forgot about google ;) > > > NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. > > > > OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. > > No, not really ... > > OpenBSD: > "A few months ago, I had to dive into the configuration of sendmail to > make a very small change. It turns out I spent almost an hour trying to > make sense out of a maze of files that were plain unreadable. Even the > slightest changes would cause me to stand a couple minutes thinking, > just trying to make sure I really wanted to make that change. ..." > > You'll find whole thing here: > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20081112084647 > > > Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many > > headaches. > > By all means no .. not at all .. they didn't even started afresh .. > Anyways .. > You'll find the reasons here: > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html > > "Hey, > again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base > and why not postfix, etc. We keep saying that we do need a mail > delivery/transport agent, for stuff such as periodic, cron, etc. > But that doesn't mean that we need sendmail. Actually a much simpler > mailer would do: one that just delivers locally (and if possible, > remote) and does nothing else. ... " > > and here: > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/submit/2008-02/msg00000.html > > "Hi, > corecode@ announced his DragonFly mail agent in [1] as a small, simple > and clean implementation of a mailer in the base. The goal of dma was > not to replace a feature complete MTA like sendmail or postfix. The > basic intention was to be able to deliver mails from cron, periodic etc > to local users. I enhanced dma and added remote delivery and some other > features needed for works-out-of-the-box and to keep users happy :) > The list of all features follows: ..." > > Yet still, DragonFlyBSD as well as OpenBSD are in the procces of fully > moving to their respective mailers, unlike NetBSD which already moved > to Postfix. > > > RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. > > That only accounts for only one distribution and I really don't know > what you mean with "package management" because they have a lot of > them ... I'm aiming at RPM. RedHat used to use Sendmail; I think Debian uses Exim but uses apt. Don't know about Suse. My main point though was that all of them had reasons to dump Sendmail. > > > FreeBSD: ? > > > > I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. > > > > Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and > > replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of > > cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of > > their choice out of ports. > > > > That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. > > Yup .. I fully agree with you ... I just cancelled my freebsdmall.com > FreeBSD suscription in order to use that money to buy OpenBSD > releases .. so my money gets used to finance the development of > OpenSMTP and other milestone technologies. > They've earned it :) Thanks for the informative post Gonzalo. I like the look of the Dragonfly approach (although I don't use it). Perhaps in FreeBSD 10* somebody might work to incorporate one or the other (DMA or OpenSMTP) and strip out Sendmail and leave it in ports where it belongs. I can see that having real benefits in licensing, footprint and usability. > > > > > ////jerry > > Best Regards > Gonzalo Nemmi Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 06:21:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18A21065698 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1468FC1A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9T6Kwig053024; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:21:22 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20091029062121.GB69616@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> <877huevmwe.fsf@kobe.laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877huevmwe.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:21:31 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:34:25AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD > > (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i > > mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? > > That's ok. Kurt is right. You can use the amd64 release on Intel Core2 > Duo CPUs too. > > I believe this Wikipedia page will help a bit: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 thanks very much, sir. i'll check it out thrursday morning [local]. i really, REALLY have not paid attn to hardware devel in years. it's time! cheers, world! -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 06:34:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D801065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7278FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T6YHO0066562; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:18 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9T6YHO0066562 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256798058; bh=zKTMeEyWzwohZLBdwUFHlpptrnXepSkCdxENJ8G95GM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE93763.4090109@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2029=20Oct=202009=2006:34:11=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Gary=20Kline=20|CC:=20Polytrop on=20,=20=0D=0A=20FreeBSD=20Mailing=20List=20|Subject:=20Re:=20breakthru,=20maybe.. ..|References:=20<20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org>=09<200910282 30237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de>=20<20091028230801.GC68365@thought .org>|In-Reply-To:=20<20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org>|X-Enigma il-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg= 3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B= 0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigF5ED93803EA2C4EDE0FDEC00"; b=OvKlFf2HfSfEZ+FWHLniWEksT1E+nXwZNyL0hldB16kvJbxsM4ypsP8pi0XlqIkBU AeSn/VtstWckPM4xELMi8p2QeM6zURe/H9352EoDdQywRQiv/InjLE8n9j68dANAxN gyGpmz2nc0layl8a3FCVC3Wt3T71XTpPZ84rQJw8= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE93763.4090109@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:11 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF5ED93803EA2C4EDE0FDEC00" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:34:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF5ED93803EA2C4EDE0FDEC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline wro= te: >>> so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? All Intel processors produced in the last few years have been 64bit capable, including anything labelled 'core2'. You need to install the amd64 architecture binaries to get the system running in 64bit mode though, even though it's an Intel chip. Likewise, all Intel and AMD processors support running in 32bit mode, and you need to install the i386 architecture binaries to achieve=20 that, irrespective of who actually manufactured your processor chips. As to which variant you should install? For servers, I'd go 64bit=20 pretty much automatically. For desktops, especially if you need 3D graphics performance you're somewhat limited by the support available for your graphics adapter. There are 64bit drivers for various ATI cards, but I can't tell off hand if the one you have is supported. If it is, or if you don't care about 3D graphics support, then go 64bit. Apart from anything else, 64bit-ness means you can install and use a lot more RAM, and more RAM is a relatively cheap solution to a lot of computing problems. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF5ED93803EA2C4EDE0FDEC00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrpN2kACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyfkgCfcsmkzLPOQI6XpBtjYAyhuHYP NZ0An0Y1hAyW9UUUBEmu9iXRC2Qak6HG =jSrq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF5ED93803EA2C4EDE0FDEC00-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 06:36:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910491065670 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179AA8FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T6aHgQ066658; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:36:18 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9T6aHgQ066658 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256798178; bh=KP+9vwjjLP7vOxWfAgkL+TLov1lWJJBtRK0bwOGqeJs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AE937E1.4090408@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2029=20Oct=202009=2006:36:17=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Polytropon=20|CC:=20Bertram=20S charpf=20,=20=0D=0A=20freebsd-questions@ freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20[OT]=20Show=20nice=20columns=20of=20n umers|References:=20<20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l>=20<2009102 8233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de>|In-Reply-To:=20<20091028233926. 3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Ty pe:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protoco l=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"----------- -enig925B00666FD508EDD0B7B107"; b=uvxMFgFJT2pHBX9t4vtr6sPys4S6C2ulkzkrY50T+gMaamvehevns3xJ+mXncOaYV j39YS3vbnr3PxUovkA/gB7RhhMqqFZyuFr5M2WpozO53RzL9j/6awOhRyZM4vVmqZ0 m/xi0TVokBujGPoigEKQ2rJD0tl1+Ak6gdEcfKCU= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AE937E1.4090408@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:36:17 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20091028223242.GA26697@marge.bs.l> <20091028233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20091028233926.3b48fd58.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig925B00666FD508EDD0B7B107" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Bertram Scharpf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:36:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig925B00666FD508EDD0B7B107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:42 +0100, Bertram Scharpf wrote: >> As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge >> columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. >> Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? >=20 > What about "ls -laFG /"? It produces a nice output, too. :-) >=20 > Or try this one: >=20 > % primes 2 | tr "\n" "\t" >=20 > Other "famous listings" include a ping run or "make update"; > even "make" of some port could look nice. I believe the 'prior art' in showing stuff scrolling past on a computer screen on film was to use the nmap sources... Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig925B00666FD508EDD0B7B107 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrpN+EACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzmeACeMLee+kXvaejkO+QRIP7M4WoW 7ccAoIr+Uz6992NrEtL0hP+nZ6NeT94I =7e6U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig925B00666FD508EDD0B7B107-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 07:49:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBBD1065679 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9168FC0A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D3AA1C1A67; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:49:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:49:40 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pete wright References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Frank Shute , Gonzalo Nemmi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:49:42 -0000 pete wright wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Frank Shute wrote: >> FreeBSD: ? >> >> I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. >> >> Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced >> with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and >> not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their >> choice out of ports. >> >> That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. > > yea i like where you are going with this frank - perhaps when > opensmtpd is done we'll be in the position to import this into the > freebsd tree? it sounds like it might fit the bill :) But, do we actually need an MTA in the base? The only arguments I have seen in this thread are: - because it's been there since the beginning of history - because cron requires it to send the daily reports For the first, that may be so, but what was a good idea at the beginning of history may not be so today. The argument is invalid. For the benefit of the project, it should continuously be considered if legacy code can be removed and offered as an optional component for those relying on it. For the second, honestly: If cron is the only application that requires an MTA then maybe it should be considered if that is a good solution. I think it is a very heavy requirement for what is otherwise very simple. If you deploy a SOHO network with FBSD at home, you may not use your own mailservice but depend on some other service. Then you likely don't read local mail regularly and it suffices for you to keep the output of cron in a plain text file in /var/log. Or you may have cron send mails to your mailservice. In either case, there is no need for an MTA like sendmail, you only need a simple client. If you deploy FBSD in larger networks, then you may opt for some other MTA. Let's face it, sendmail isn't exactly easy to setup for advanced features. And, you don't need an MTA on all systems, only on the mail gateway, other systems just need a mail client for cron - if you don't use some more advanced monitoring system, having a dedicated syslog server for example. It appears to me that having an MTA in base is obsolete. A simple client would do if anything at all. Further, if keeping an MTA costs resources in patching and testing for every new release, then it goes from being a remnant from history to slow down progress for the project. BR, Erik -- Erik Nrgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 08:16:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667A106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554888FC12 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T8GHad015524 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:16:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:16:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910290816.n9T8GHwR015523@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: VirtualBox kernel module messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:21 -0000 For the first time so far, I managed to get emulators/virtualbox to compile and install from ports a few hours ago. Following the pkg-messages, I attempted to "kldload vboxdrv" or whatever it was called, which resulted in an immediate crash and automatic system reboot. :-( However, I had already added vboxdrv_load="YES" vboxnetflt_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf and so was expecting it to fail, but it didn't. I even started up VirtualBox and looked at a couple of things, then looked around in it for a few minutes. Aside from the fact that the help subsystem was MIA, I didn't notice anything untoward. Except for the recurring console messages, which began during system startup and have continued ever since. Here's what a few of them look like. Oct 28 17:00:00 hellas newsyslog[1939]: logfile turned over due to size>100K Oct 28 17:02:03 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe84bea14 Oct 28 17:02:36 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=input ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 28 17:02:36 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 28 17:02:47 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe84e5a14 Oct 28 17:03:27 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 28 17:03:51 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe84af948 Oct 28 17:06:04 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe84a3948 Oct 28 17:06:04 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe84a3948 Oct 28 17:06:13 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe84c4a14 Oct 28 17:13:58 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe84b2a14 Oct 28 17:22:52 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe84cda14 Oct 28 17:22:52 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe84cda14 Oct 28 17:22:52 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe84cda14 Oct 28 17:23:02 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:02 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:02 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:02 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/4a6c36ef155b511e ppDev=0xc56d3a14 Oct 28 17:23:02 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/4a6c36ef155b511e ppDev=0xe852a948 Oct 28 17:23:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe8521a14 Oct 28 17:23:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe8521a14 Oct 28 17:23:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe8521a14 Oct 28 17:23:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/49a51b513d5a2f23 ppDev=0xc56d3a14 Oct 28 17:23:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/49a51b513d5a2f23 ppDev=0xe851b948 Oct 28 17:23:12 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xc57baa14 Oct 28 17:23:12 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xc57baa14 Oct 28 17:23:12 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xc57baa14 Oct 28 17:23:21 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe848aa14 Oct 28 17:23:21 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe848aa14 Oct 28 17:23:21 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe848aa14 Oct 28 17:23:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe8518a14 Oct 28 17:23:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/4a1a6000244a7cbf ppDev=0xc56d3a14 Oct 28 17:23:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/4a1a6000244a7cbf ppDev=0xc57ba948 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe84dca14 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe84dca14 Oct 28 17:23:57 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe84dca14 Oct 28 17:26:53 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe849fa14 Oct 28 17:26:53 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe849fa14 Oct 28 17:26:53 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe849fa14 Oct 28 17:27:05 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe84d9a14 Oct 28 17:27:05 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe84d9a14 Oct 28 17:27:05 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe84d9a14 Oct 28 17:27:06 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/490d7606153c869c ppDev=0xc56d3a14 Oct 28 17:27:06 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ufsid/490d7606153c869c ppDev=0xe8518948 Oct 28 17:28:30 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=devfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:28:30 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=procfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:28:30 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=linprocfs ppDev=0xe8494a14 Oct 28 17:31:05 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe857f948 Oct 28 17:38:39 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe854c948 Oct 28 17:38:39 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe854c948 Oct 28 17:50:14 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 18:00:46 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ptypi ppDev=0xe851b948 Oct 28 18:50:15 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 18:54:24 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe848e948 Oct 28 19:28:59 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe84e8948 Oct 28 19:29:55 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe8620948 Oct 28 19:30:59 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe8530948 Oct 28 19:47:04 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe8665948 Oct 28 19:50:16 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 20:50:17 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 21:50:18 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 22:50:20 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 23:18:10 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe86bf948 Oct 28 23:50:20 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 28 23:51:13 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe8695948 Oct 29 00:50:21 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 29 01:07:13 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe85af948 Oct 29 01:09:51 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe8570948 Oct 29 01:09:51 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe8570948 Oct 29 01:13:51 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe868f948 Oct 29 01:22:16 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe8665948 Oct 29 01:22:16 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe8665948 Oct 29 01:22:42 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=tty ppDev=0xe85af948 Oct 29 01:49:45 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 29 01:50:16 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 29 01:50:19 hellas last message repeated 2 times Oct 29 01:50:22 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 29 02:12:06 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Oct 29 02:15:40 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe849f948 Oct 29 02:15:40 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=crypto ppDev=0xe849f948 Oct 29 02:50:23 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=srandom ppDev=0xc5664948 Oct 29 02:52:20 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=input ppDev=0xe85d2948 Oct 29 02:52:20 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe85d2948 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s2a ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:01:09 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=da3s1 ppDev=0xe8665a14 Oct 29 03:07:01 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=ipstate ppDev=0xe8561948 Oct 29 03:07:03 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe86d4a14 As you can see, there is some repetition and some variation. Can anyone tell me what these messages mean and how they might best be stopped? Thanks much! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 08:29:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8844D106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3498FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T8TCdJ015619 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910290829.n9T8TCvI015618@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: math/arpack patch.tar.gz timestamp differs between ports and freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:29:40 -0000 The build of math/octave dies when the build for math/arpack dies due to a timestamp mismatch between local ports tree information and ftp.freebsd.org. So I did a "portsnap fetch extract math/arpack" and tried the build of math/arpack the old-fashioned way. Script started on Thu Oct 29 03:17:23 2009 hellas# cd /usr/ports/math/arpack hellas# unsetenv MAKEFLAGS hellas# unsetenv ftp_proxy hellas# unsetenv http_proxy hellas# time nice +20 make install ===> Extracting for arpack-96_6 => MD5 Checksum OK for arpack/arpack96.tar.gz. => SHA256 Checksum OK for arpack/arpack96.tar.gz. => MD5 Checksum mismatch for arpack/patch.tar.gz. => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for arpack/patch.tar.gz. => MD5 Checksum mismatch for arpack/ug.ps.gz. => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for arpack/ug.ps.gz. ===> Refetch for 1 more times files: arpack/patch.tar.gz arpack/patch.tar.gz arpack/ug.ps.gz arpack/ug.ps.gz => patch.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack. => Attempting to fetch from http://www.caam.rice.edu/software/ARPACK/SRC/. fetch: patch.tar.gz: local modification time does not match remote => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/arpack/. fetch: patch.tar.gz: local modification time does not match remote => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/math/arpack. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/math/arpack. 0.359u 0.158s 0:03.81 13.1% 174+849k 12+0io 0pf+0w hellas# exit exit Script done on Thu Oct 29 03:19:31 2009 Any helpful suggestions out there? Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 09:07:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DB8106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beat@FreeBSD.org) Received: from marvin.chruetertee.ch (marvin.chruetertee.ch [217.150.245.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CB68FC1F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from daedalus.network.local (cafe.interxion.wlan.hotspot.nexellent.net [217.147.222.218]) (authenticated bits=0) by marvin.chruetertee.ch (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9T8uoxM085649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:56:51 GMT (envelope-from beat@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4AE958E8.4010106@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:57:12 +0100 From: Beat Gaetzi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090821) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Bennett References: <200910290816.n9T8GHwR015523@mp.cs.niu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200910290816.n9T8GHwR015523@mp.cs.niu.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: VirtualBox kernel module messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:07:12 -0000 Scott Bennett wrote: > For the first time so far, I managed to get emulators/virtualbox to > compile and install from ports a few hours ago. Following the pkg-messages, > I attempted to "kldload vboxdrv" or whatever it was called, which resulted > in an immediate crash and automatic system reboot. :-( This is a known problem and documented on the wiki page: http://wiki.freebsd.org/VirtualBox > However, I had already added > > vboxdrv_load="YES" > vboxnetflt_load="YES" > > to /boot/loader.conf and so was expecting it to fail, but it didn't. I even > started up VirtualBox and looked at a couple of things, then looked around > in it for a few minutes. Aside from the fact that the help subsystem was > MIA, I didn't notice anything untoward. > Except for the recurring console messages, which began during system > startup and have continued ever since. Here's what a few of them look > like. > > Oct 28 17:00:00 hellas newsyslog[1939]: logfile turned over due to size>100K > Oct 28 17:02:03 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=pts ppDev=0xe84bea14 > Oct 28 17:02:36 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=input ppDev=0xe84e2948 > Oct 28 17:02:36 hellas kernel: VBoxDrvFreeBSDClone: pszName=dsp ppDev=0xe84e2948 Do you have build VirtualBox with debug option? Beat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 12:10:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95791065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6605C8FC1C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2074234fgg.13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:10:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=k/EZ4r+7ZquG6lMM/Dv3vI2++4Yg6dGLAnwNJOzebMY=; b=bxzZXfVk6CLJGMPlkt6wtEVF14JcrpqidZHSzCRKS/ewE8qrlVUA6rG0ThqupMGuCI PXmNOq86zQMHABl+HVtRbw+QvS1PoQtPQe+Ibwe/yqIMnfSqnUE3wiOMTexPeYyyYZSd yV00rFLcESyukd/it2G0/ydaZsMJqeCXwROS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=pMuqgAOehwLZr3e/a+rZ0wnESS2itqHwaKFWdrRBNRKUgu4uf+A3jNa2BZcF3TP2tB 9nNYZABff/NdQ+/GbOj5WTEhBXLk2T5CCCkr2UqyaXVhWVjWJaeMwdxSUkH7LhTLgmW8 Uu9uct2cNJ6tSIc1d8W7YWB3vlQNMvxUxVztM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.103.26 with SMTP id a26mr52603fgc.40.1256818210116; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:10:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> From: Ross Cameron Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:09:50 +0200 Message-ID: <35f70db10910290509v112e9f41y8d3228d7af6a1358@mail.gmail.com> To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:10:11 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline > wrote: > > >> > so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? > > >> > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > > > wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? > > > > This: > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > is indeed 64bit. > > > > Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the > AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit > == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? > > thanks. > > gary > > ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not > sure about the 64-bit chips... . > Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their chips. Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats the correct name for the instruction set. -- "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 12:16:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD404106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A65E8FC18 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2009 08:16:57 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA) with ESMTP id QGW94702; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-22-227.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.227]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2009 08:16:57 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19177.34744.676313.157866@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:16:56 -0400 To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4AE93763.4090109@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <4AE93763.4090109@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Gary Kline , Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:16:58 -0000 Matthew Seaman writes: > All Intel processors produced in the last few years have been > 64bit capable, including anything labelled 'core2'. You need to > install the amd64 architecture binaries to get the system running > in 64bit mode though, even though it's an Intel chip. > > Likewise, all Intel and AMD processors support running in 32bit > mode, and you need to install the i386 architecture binaries to > achieve that, irrespective of who actually manufactured your > processor chips. > > As to which variant you should install? For servers, I'd go > 64bit pretty much automatically. For desktops, especially if you > need 3D graphics performance you're somewhat limited by the > support available for your graphics adapter. There are 64bit > drivers for various ATI cards, but I can't tell off hand if the > one you have is supported. If it is, or if you don't care about > 3D graphics support, then go 64bit. There are alsu a ((very) small) number of ports that do not compile or do not run in 64-bit mode. Figure out if one of them is mission-critical before installing; check for the "NOT_FOR_ARCH" and "ONLY_FOR_ARCH" settings in the port's Makefile. That said, the machine I'm typing on is about six weeks old and running an AMD Phenom II x4. I installed amd64 with some trepidation, fully prepared to re-install i386. However, it's now up over 675 ports - including apache, mysql, firefox, and OpenOffice - and everything works. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 12:25:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F72106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org) Received: from a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com (a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com [64.72.68.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0AC8FC1D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bsdwebsolutions.com ([64.72.68.15]) by a.outbound.bsdwebsolutions.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (BSD Web Solutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1N3U4B-0006jA-MQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:25:23 -0400 Received: from [207.241.248.11] (port=52039 helo=mail.poughkeepsieschools.org) by mail.bsdwebsolutions.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (BSD WebSolutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1N3U4B-000Ike-KN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:25:23 -0400 Received: from [10.20.0.10] (port=58807 helo=mbookpro.tcentral.lan) by mail.poughkeepsieschools.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (BSD WebSolutions, Inc.) (envelope-from ) id 1N3U4B-000474-CZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (authenticated as bcook@poughkeepsieschools.org); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4AE989B3.2050304@poughkeepsieschools.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:25:23 -0400 From: "B. Cook" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE2E84F.6060703@poughkeepsieschools.org> <4AE2F431.7070504@poughkeepsieschools.org> <200910260338.09041.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> In-Reply-To: <200910260338.09041.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 207.241.248.11 Subject: Re: most bizarre libc.so.7 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:25:24 -0000 So Yes something to do with ZFS was the culprit.. I had done a zfs upgrade -a and zpool upgrade -a in the past, but I guess I missed on the output that the / was not upgraded (of course) So that was a problem; which may not have been the right one, but it gave me something to hunt.. I had to get a snapshot cd with a livefs. kldload opensolaris and zfs and the kicker was this: zpool import -f -R /alt tank then I did the zpool upgrade -a and zfs upgrade -a when that was done I could reboot and install world successfully.. I will find out what that flag does and find another box to test this with.. Possibly the flag would have helped me install, but I could not find another way to zfs upgrade -a and get / without going to a livecd.. On 10/25/09 10:38 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2009 14:33:53 B. Cook wrote: >> B. Cook wrote, On 10/24/2009 7:43 AM: > >> 49 ===> lib/libc (install) >> 50 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libc.a /usr/lib >> 51 install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 libc_p.a /usr/lib >> 52 install -s -o root -g wheel -m 444 -fschg -S libc.so.7 /lib >> 53 install: /lib/libc.so.7: chflags: Invalid argument >> 54 *** Error code 71 > > When on ZFS, set NO_FSCHG in /etc/src.conf. For the time being, file flags are > not supported on ZFS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 14:19:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F6E1065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1532F8FC1A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so18562eyd.3 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aa6CP/u5ZccBCyvLPWaH83dp7puhowGYILEhgv5yg9w=; b=QmDrH8XQ+zQhwy5fdwhiWLnUe5YxbiiwzaI9OoZaMbEMXJzMKtCPYsK759PqLeQTdj YGMWdCns0JzYXTnzO4QsPm/YCSG6i+zyRrG4VF3vkF+9zT/fULQ/N2H9U0pCoH2u3HgQ F1VWcL528yrNKfs6TTF26uAONCQdKaoqsAQVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cSQvEJ+Bhuby4UuU14fhTN3xkqotxdrts75kLb/gRNogtazx+Ot1N0Ltni1pPBvvJg rkxx5m4TsIRp2tCi6v6I5B0Uo6S7jyktsYUrlELDxUagu+FWK0i5xoh8zLUi3PCI/Hhx g8SjRzconUHSvVSt1nucnIME2vFPt3+ELxhD0= Received: by 10.211.146.5 with SMTP id y5mr140047ebn.41.1256825996022; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5923770eyb.0.2009.10.29.07.19.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:19:51 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091029141951.77099907@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <200910290829.n9T8TCvI015618@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <200910290829.n9T8TCvI015618@mp.cs.niu.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: math/arpack patch.tar.gz timestamp differs between ports and freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:19:57 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Scott Bennett wrote: > The build of math/octave dies when the build for math/arpack > dies due to a timestamp mismatch between local ports tree information > and ftp.freebsd.org. It's a mismatch between the timestamps on the local cached distfiles and their counterparts on the file server. Try doing a "make distclean" in the port directory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 15:39:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA31106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26EF8FC20 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TFcuKB078966 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:39:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200910291539.n9TFcuKB078966@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:56 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:39:15 -0000 This is probably going to be a hashing exercise but I am checking to see if any of the building blocks needed are already out there. The problem is simple to describe in that there are 2 tables. One is a DNS zone transfer table of all the A or Address records in a given zone or from several zones for that matter. the other table is from the same zones and consists of text or TXT records. The only thing the 2 tables have in common is that some of the TXT records share the exact same name field as the A records so we should be able to display the important contents of the A and TXT records on the same line if their names match. The challenge is to do this quickly so some sort of hash function is needed to locate A and TXT records having the same name. Grep does this beautifully for single entries across multiple files, but I need to merge the text part of the TXT record with the IP address and host name from the A record with the same name. The only hard part is finding the quickest way to match the roughly 25,000 host names in the A records with around half as many TXT records. This is basically a bucket list problem in which we can either have an A record name in a bucket by itself or an A record in a given bucket and a TXT record in another bucket with the same name as the A record. In the interest of standing on the shoulders of giants, I am checking to see how much tried and tested tools already exist and how much needs to be home-grown. It is also possible to use egrep to search for A and TXT records in 1 pass through a file in which case one would search from the same file for both record types but the problem is the same. In case anybody wonders: egrep '([[:space:]]IN([[:space:]]TXT[[:space:]]|[[:space:]]A[[:space:]]))' okstate.zone >ATXT.txt The line break here is for Email consideration. The above command should all be on one line. Thanks for any suggestions. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 16:08:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357301065670 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61FB8FC19 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18A0EB474D; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F74451BC; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:26 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2WRZKINiU8n; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-253-165.home.otenet.gr [94.64.253.165]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43679451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TG8P8d045334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9TG8OoC045312; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Erik Norgaard References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> (Erik Norgaard's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:49:40 +0100") Message-ID: <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:08:29 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:49:40 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote: > But, do we actually need an MTA in the base? The only arguments > I have seen in this thread are: > > - because it's been there since the beginning of history - because cron > requires it to send the daily reports > > For the first, that may be so, but what was a good idea at the beginning > of history may not be so today. The argument is invalid. For the benefit > of the project, it should continuously be considered if legacy code can > be removed and offered as an optional component for those relying on it. > > For the second, honestly: If cron is the only application that requires > an MTA then maybe it should be considered if that is a good solution. I > think it is a very heavy requirement for what is otherwise very simple. Sendmail is a large program. Configuring Sendmail 15 years ago was arcane and difficult, to say the least. Nowadays it is easier than what it used to be, but it still isn't as easy as Postfix. What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called "sendmail_enable" and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can quickly get up and running with a local-only MTA that: - Supports message queuing for outgoing messages out of the box - Can deliver messages to local users out of the box - Can forward email to a mail relay, when the SMART_HOST option is enabled, and supports recent RFC - Does a reasonably good job at integrating with other tools (procmail, fetchmail, thunderbird, other local mailers) When compiled with the appropriate options Sendmail currently supports SASL and TLS too. So Sendmail is a pretty heavy-weight program, but it also supports a lot of features. A replacement that would merely support local delivery would be "mostly ok" for some users but then everyone who _needs_ the special stuff Sendmail can do now would have to install a port. Having to install a port is not necessarily a _bad_ thing. The laptop I am using to type this message has 822 ports installed. Another one would do no serious harm. > If you deploy a SOHO network with FBSD at home, you may not use your own > mailservice but depend on some other service. Then you likely don't read > local mail regularly and it suffices for you to keep the output of cron > in a plain text file in /var/log. Or you may have cron send mails to your > mailservice. In either case, there is no need for an MTA like sendmail, > you only need a simple client. [...] > It appears to me that having an MTA in base is obsolete. A simple client > would do if anything at all. Further, if keeping an MTA costs resources > in patching and testing for every new release, then it goes from being a > remnant from history to slow down progress for the project. Having a local MTA, even in a SOHO network may be useful. Instead of going through the same hoops to configure 4 different email clients, you can set up the local MTA and tell all your local mailer programs "send any of your messages to `localhost' and they will be delivered as usual". Having an MTA in the base system may not be obsolete. Deciding _which_ MTA to integrate with the rest of FreeBSD is debatable and changes to what we have today have a better chance of being accepted if they also include at least some amount of patches for $NEWMTA. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 16:37:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC8E106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6318FC1A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1C2EB472F; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD19451BC; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:11 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRnwELja0fJd; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-253-165.home.otenet.gr [94.64.253.165]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFBC451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TGbA3I085321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9TGb9Rt085311; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Martin McCormick References: <200910291539.n9TFcuKB078966@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200910291539.n9TFcuKB078966@dc.cis.okstate.edu> (Martin McCormick's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:56 -0500") Message-ID: <873a529mx6.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:37:12 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:56 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > This is probably going to be a hashing exercise but I am checking to see > if any of the building blocks needed are already out there. > > The problem is simple to describe in that there are 2 tables. One is a > DNS zone transfer table of all the A or Address records in a given zone > or from several zones for that matter. the other table is from the same > zones and consists of text or TXT records. The only thing the 2 tables > have in common is that some of the TXT records share the exact same name > field as the A records so we should be able to display the important > contents of the A and TXT records on the same line if their names match. > The challenge is to do this quickly so some sort of hash function is > needed to locate A and TXT records having the same name. Hi Martin, You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want the output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those together. With a short input file like this: : keramida@kobe:/tmp$ cat input-file : localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 : kobe IN A 127.0.0.1 : kobe IN TXT "This is a test" You can construct a hash map of hostname -> list of records in Python with a relatively short script: : #!/usr/bin/env python : : import re : import sys : : are = None # a regexp for matching 'A' records : txtre = None # a regexp for matching 'TXT' records : : try: : are = re.compile(r'^\s*(\S+)\s+[iI][nN]\s+[aA]\s+(((25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)).*$') : txtre = re.compile(r'^\s*(\S+)\s+[iI][nN]\s+[tT][xX][tT]\s+(.*)$') : except Exception, inst: : sys.stderr.write('regexp error: %s' % str(inst)) : sys.exit(1) : : hosts = {} : : for l in sys.stdin.readlines(): : l = l.rstrip('\n\r') : # Is this an A record? : m = are.match(l) : if m: : (name, addr) = (m.group(1), m.group(2)) : rec = ('A', addr) : if not name in hosts: : hosts[name] = [rec] : else: : hosts[name].append(rec) : # Is this a TXT record? : m = txtre.match(l) : if m: : (name, text) = (m.group(1), m.group(2)) : rec = ('TXT', text) : if not name in hosts: : hosts[name] = [rec] : else: : hosts[name].append(rec) : : print hosts Running this script should produce something like: : keramida@kobe:/tmp$ python martin.py < input-file : {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'), ('TXT', '"This is a test"')], : 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]} When you have the hash map of hostname to record-list for each host, you can select and print any combination of host<=>record from this hash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 17:55:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6672B10656C1 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:55:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1672D8FC0A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F17C61C1A67; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:55:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:55:20 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> In-Reply-To: <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:55:22 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > So Sendmail is a pretty heavy-weight program, but it also supports a lot of > features. Which was the point, if the only process in base that requires some way to dump output other than send to syslog, is cron, then Sendmail is disproportionate solution for the problem. > A replacement that would merely support local delivery would be > "mostly ok" for some users but then everyone who _needs_ the special stuff > Sendmail can do now would have to install a port. I don't argue for a replacement but for the elimination. Install a port if you need an MTA, you're happy with that way for so many other standard services. >> It appears to me that having an MTA in base is obsolete. A simple client >> would do if anything at all. Further, if keeping an MTA costs resources >> in patching and testing for every new release, then it goes from being a >> remnant from history to slow down progress for the project. > > Having a local MTA, even in a SOHO network may be useful. Instead of going > through the same hoops to configure 4 different email clients, you can set > up the local MTA and tell all your local mailer programs "send any of your > messages to `localhost' and they will be delivered as usual". There are tons of things that may be useful for somebody on a SOHO network. I don't agree you need an MTA when the only application requiring is cron. The default should be to dump cron output to a file. No need to setup 4 mail clients. Only if you want to send the output to a remote address would you need to do this. > Having an MTA in the base system may not be obsolete. The option remains to install from ports as with so many other things. My concern is if some heavy legacy application, because of history or tradition, remains in base will draw resources from advancing in other areas that are much more relevant today. BR, Erik -- Erik Nrgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 18:27:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5501065679 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716F88FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9TIRdY8023116; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n9TIRdhU023115; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:39 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Erik Norgaard Message-ID: <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Erik Norgaard , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:43 +0100 (CET) Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:27:47 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:55:20PM +0100, Erik Norgaard typed: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > I don't argue for a replacement but for the elimination. Install a port > if you need an MTA, you're happy with that way for so many other > standard services. Isn't this going a little too far? What other posix systems ship whith no default MTA at all? Not many I would say. > The default should be to dump cron output to a file. No need to setup 4 > mail clients. Only if you want to send the output to a remote address > would you need to do this. No need to setup mail clients? How about you having to create an infrastructure to parse all these files on your servers? I like the way it is: create an alias for root and be done with it. > The option remains to install from ports as with so many other things. And many other things not. Or do you want to go the linux way: just a kernel and the rest in packages? I like a complete OS. > My concern is if some heavy legacy application, because of history or > tradition, remains in base will draw resources from advancing in other > areas that are much more relevant today. sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job and are definetely NOT drawing resources from anyone or anything else. These discussions are. Also the sources in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/src are 2.2 MB. That's not heavy at all. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 18:34:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E31065679 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59068FC1E for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so72208eyd.9 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I8RAJabH3wKdSXZLMzQZ5dsbwh14kGL2oX8DlIFrGVQ=; b=tGvzdMhK44QufwSoDNS+ZGLSDxOIEoe2eYWmjaFM28MSKnuUe4e/Ysp+kkbBFEbpIy e0Sd5KIy9Yzb6phPSMEOY8S7HREzNiK3mATCYtzJMP7YbyeowSZFkOb/QvNJ87JOajOt ANeGOReEH6EQybaL9Bk67wnr5v+s9DCj1xVY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qsjn/EYvG59JCBDGvgrRhl/7QLAJdVdPrMcZTKkufojYLUIiuicn3kotdY7zVbvd7r Kp0dJZhnIu89PArIimZpb+dnpN1waxAODfjGc1Dwcx7EBGtxnOdw1oL2bZAJAQ8VAsDX gSxtQKc6UmTxPCEhFNqMuitl68oH9W+fBaPxY= Received: by 10.210.6.21 with SMTP id 21mr478053ebf.86.1256841278766; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm6587924eyg.9.2009.10.29.11.34.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:40 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a > base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called > "sendmail_enable" and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can > quickly get up and running with a local-only MTA that: > sendmail_enable exposes sendmail to the world. You don't need to set anything for a local relay. > Having a local MTA, even in a SOHO network may be useful. Instead of > going through the same hoops to configure 4 different email clients, > you can set up the local MTA and tell all your local mailer programs > "send any of your messages to `localhost' and they will be delivered > as usual". It's also potentially a useful interface for spammers and viruses that bypasses remote authentication, in particular if the MTA is misconfigured as an open-relay. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 18:44:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E95106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (dc.cis.okstate.edu [139.78.103.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD5B8FC0C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dc.cis.okstate.edu (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TIiC5v037167 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:44:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <200910291844.n9TIiC5v037167@dc.cis.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:44:12 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:44:20 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... > > If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want the > output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those > together. Perl and python-- I wasn't even thinking of that! Thank you. I have installed python now on the FreeBSD system and will start learning it. A records look like: hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123 Text or TXT records look similar except that the data they convey are ASCII text strings of various information that are either read by people or maybe tell servers how to behave toward that particular client. hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT "cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123" Our hope is to have an output line looking like: 192.168.2.123 hydrogen.cis.osu "cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123" We will actually run that output through sed to convert the "'s to blanks and also the ,'s to blanks but that is trivial. Thanks for the examples. Martin McCormick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 19:41:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E181065692 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0248FC15 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2079268ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yzE9OIrMoKBFA/kgK6+2Q9yevHUp+rSwD3uLi+8EyAY=; b=kT1H2SRYeqQOE+3BUviK2DlM13uAmBXNRaPboKChqRlAHOeJ/rtx/jaKSYYFV9gfug kMa37umxhoEdD4jsb1nTcafr0/YkqgmiF9IlWp0v5azQ3+3o9VLkdS91BV3MhXmpj2vO UumYqxPJx3cgwSRvvsEPwMxnVMMv5Lw6YQ1vY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ei6Oquk1fRhyH1G4MOW0et+dsm+x5LTdWKDQDcCq1zpTAlPGWOxhq3Z5LpH1PLCDyh 1uVd8X6j1hSkJ56+xhteLLyDd7FwjsQXGE53mNhw2xWSFrVnsg4eCiGNxHHs55kwmxwr NKKjVuQPPY4IXVtgyo94LJHdjo2BgWpY9qdrg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.67 with SMTP id z45mr182399wee.112.1256845297564; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Scott Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: math/arpack patch.tar.gz timestamp differs between ports and freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:39 -0000 >=> patch.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack. >=> Attempting to fetch from http://www.caam.rice.edu/software/ARPACK/SRC/. >fetch: patch.tar.gz: local modification time does not match remote rm -v /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack/patch.tar.gz and start again. b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 20:07:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B932A106568F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bf1783@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466E68FC28 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2103242ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=LuPXyYZzEx2Q2qd2eTe21vFsHZNsftNsIwUe3ms2hOY=; b=KfYDIV44QYqdWXiins6PHp3KxJgvP7QgyJC5FbxLPf4z4rsaRQUZ1B0H3EUcOqTb1+ 2vXZ3lC4RqpAHF1B/GeovR57MOlnndu9EyuQjJv1Nim4aIbaC+chHE0H0+VfQ7WvFpDs dPqwoIavE0Y3+tKYBwQx8k3RAlXCqOw+No824= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=WvLL5lUQZ6Qpxy/7QFFVIXEHcPDra7WqODk+HvdzSqadM4Uy7QT+NHgzS8jxm/tz0m 0WT+BvU6s0mgUImjm9V0LXyUfWCWyixrxAll1oth+cx9kutha6wkm95e1a+DZ59Fmdsz 3dji2Ph0bDU82jRV0v6UqtxUrgXTPAw6y4+d4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.136 with SMTP id a8mr212291wef.77.1256846830303; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910290508.n9T58XqA014030@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <200910290508.n9T58XqA014030@mp.cs.niu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: "b. f." To: Scott Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:14 -0000 On 10/29/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 +0000 "b. f." > wrote: >>On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." >>> wrote: >>>>Scott Bennet wrote: >>MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus` >>_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER} > > I figured it must do something of the sort. The CPU is an old 3.4 GHz > P4 Prescott, so it has two logical processors, so MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER gets set > to 2. Given the handbook recommendations and my own observations, it seems > to me that the above method should actually multiply the value of > kern.smp.cpus by at least 2.5 for best performance. For CPUs on separate > cores, 3 is the recommended multiplier, but where HTT logical CPUs are > involved a multiplier somewhat lower than that is in order. On the Prescott > chips, 2.5 seems to work very well, so when I set MAKEFLAGS myself, I set > it to 5, which is 2.5 * kern.smp.scpus. > That seems a bit ambitious. In any event, It would be better to do this via the variable MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER, which was created for this purpose and can be overridden by the user, rather than by using MAKEFLAGS, which may cause all sorts of problems, among them ignoring the setting of MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE. >> >>> I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the >>> "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now possible >>> thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple "-x" >>> arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that >>> worked >>> in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this >>> for >>> a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed >>> by >>> portmaster or portupgrade, however. >> >>You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to >>HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a > > I haven't been using portupgrade much lately. portmaster seems to > be the recommended tool, and it's certainly a lot faster than portupgrade, portmaster is more lightweight, but has fewer features. I roll my own. > > >>/var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of > > Yes, but that method doesn't work for perl, and IIRC, it doesn't > work for lang/gcc?? either. The -x method does, however. > It seems to work for me with lang/perl5.10. What experience have you had that suggests that it doesn't work with these ports? b. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 20:08:37 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C211065670 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AABA8FC1B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id 3E24616B7F2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.72]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 571BF16B7FC; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:08:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Ruben de Groot In-Reply-To: <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:08:37 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed > ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job Bullshit. Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who it is, why can't it look in hosts? Since it cannot be trusted to send mail, what does it need to know from the internet? It has been horribly broken for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, and this m4 stuff is a pile of crap. There is no documentation whatsoever. Unless you buy a book from O'Reilly and line the pockets of the "maintainer(s)." Why can't it be a option to configure the system without it? Not any money in that, is there? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 20:31:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F291065692 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (aristotle.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2B58FC22 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9TKV21u059923; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:31:26 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za Message-ID: <20091029203126.GA72499@thought.org> References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> <35f70db10910290509v112e9f41y8d3228d7af6a1358@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35f70db10910290509v112e9f41y8d3228d7af6a1358@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:31:32 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:09:50PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline > > wrote: > > > >> > so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? > > > >> > > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > > > > > wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? > > > > > > This: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ > > > > > > is indeed 64bit. > > > > > > > > Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the > > AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit > > == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? > > > > thanks. > > > > gary > > > > ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not > > sure about the 64-bit chips... . > > > > Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their > chips. > Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats > the correct name for the instruction set. Well, I was just a bit behind the times; like four or five years. But thanks to several wiki articles, that's resolved. Nutshell is that I just finished burning the bootonly.iso. Now, if the power holds and I get the 8.0-RC2 running on the Dell, there's hope. And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? gary > > -- > "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in > overalls and looks like work." > Thomas Alva Edison > Inventor of 1093 patents, including: > The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:22:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CEE1065693 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from aristotle.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8ED8FC19 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by aristotle.thought.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9TLMD2Y060290; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1002 kline@thought.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:37 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: RW Message-ID: <20091029212237.GC72499@thought.org> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 23 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on aristotle.thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:44 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:34:35PM +0000, RW wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > > What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a > > base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called > > "sendmail_enable" and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can > > quickly get up and running with a local-only MTA that: > > > > sendmail_enable exposes sendmail to the world. You don't need > to set anything for a local relay. > > > > Having a local MTA, even in a SOHO network may be useful. Instead of > > going through the same hoops to configure 4 different email clients, > > you can set up the local MTA and tell all your local mailer programs > > "send any of your messages to `localhost' and they will be delivered > > as usual". > > It's also potentially a useful interface for spammers and viruses > that bypasses remote authentication, in particular if the MTA is > misconfigured as an open-relay. I may as well offer my dime's worth since I have used and fought-with sendmail sinve FreeBSD-2.0.5. I bought the book; it is super-dense. Still, sendmail, with it's horrible complexity and remaining bug [!] has knobs that its authors have forgotten. How about this: A small bunch of us get together and write up (say) 50 pages of readable material with examples. I'll be one of the few [3 to 5] writers. There very well may be better MTAs out there, but at least sendmail works! gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:22:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05A6106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gibblertron@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC71A8FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1500072pzk.7 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Cww/K3zKcY+G/MFKD89REtD+eg3F68yKXB1Jk/7Y1eE=; b=n17qOgu67oDQclz7xkkr52kcdbQabiyuOO5ruQQJcnmEAAdQ3DzcAjOBarYoNNcdVU ID6kxw5nlxEg1Lcwqq1OC/hMP4yEETWxpZC7pDOgVn97MTmhR6lX6gwuYWZ4szvyvOJh jGHgj1WRYbI/mQM7IN+1qclCZDGynSnQTI7Wk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gqTb27hLvXNvQbub6wzjXoDeGdrJ/squd5sLHBcGKIBGUyVTMZPBKdgrFmj4L5vyjA hOtohcYs1mOHpKgzWprKrpMEZLSwz65wvDeahbDQ/1/gAOromZw0bpv7gCoTOAtsEQ/b 9BiEEUHa+Pe/gB9Prseb5WtjU8qvmeTEnOAp4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.41 with SMTP id 41mr61739wfi.122.1256851377234; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: patrick To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Get the cwd of a process? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:22:57 -0000 Is there any way to get the cwd of a process? We had the situation recently where a perl script was called from an infiltrated Wordpress installation, but we weren't able to determine which of the hundreds of Wordpress blogs was the source. The ps listing showed: www 63968 2.4 0.2 26092 5008 ?? Rs 5:36PM 93:10.67 ./mrf.pl (perl5.8.8) The procfs entry was no help because it does not seem to provide a cwd. The cmdline entry just showed "/usr/local/bin/perl ./mrf.pl". We had to kill the process, and who ever was responsible did a good job of hiding their tracks. But should this happen again (and we expect it will), we'd like to be able to find the source. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:32:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC642106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norgaard@locolomo.org) Received: from mail.locolomo.org (97.pool85-48-194.static.orange.es [85.48.194.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ABE8FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org (beta.1-16-172-dyn.locolomo.org [172.16.1.127]) by mail.locolomo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C6971C1A67; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:32:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEA09E8.8090609@locolomo.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:32:24 +0100 From: Erik Norgaard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruben de Groot , Erik Norgaard , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:26 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 06:55:20PM +0100, Erik Norgaard typed: >> Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> I don't argue for a replacement but for the elimination. Install a port >> if you need an MTA, you're happy with that way for so many other >> standard services. > > Isn't this going a little too far? What other posix systems ship whith no > default MTA at all? Not many I would say. That would be a valid argument if an MTA is required to comply with the posix standard. AFAIK it is not. >> The default should be to dump cron output to a file. No need to setup 4 >> mail clients. Only if you want to send the output to a remote address >> would you need to do this. > > No need to setup mail clients? How about you having to create an > infrastructure to parse all these files on your servers? I like the way it > is: create an alias for root and be done with it. What? This is silly. Currently cron sends you output to the root inbox, do you require an infrastructure to parse these mails? I suggest to dump this same output to a file which can easily be read using more. >> The option remains to install from ports as with so many other things. > > And many other things not. Or do you want to go the linux way: just a kernel > and the rest in packages? I like a complete OS. That's the key to the discussion, when is the OS complete? I could do without Sendmail, FTP daemon and NIS. Or the other way, why is there no http daemon in base, or no ldap? There really is no right answer to that, things change. It is always a valid discussion to question what should be part of base, if new things should be included and other things removed or replaced. If you reject this discussion with arguments such as "because it's always been there" then you risk FreeBSD will simply become legacy itself. >> My concern is if some heavy legacy application, because of history or >> tradition, remains in base will draw resources from advancing in other >> areas that are much more relevant today. > > sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed > ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job and are > definetely NOT drawing resources from anyone or anything else. Of course it is being actively developed, it has to, it's in base. You suggest that if Sendmail was not in base, then these developers currently maintaining Sendmail would be doing nothing instead? Yes, it does take resources. How much resources are spent on Sendmail, I have no idea. > These discussions are. Absolutely, I was just bored, so it seems are you :) > Also the sources in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/src are 2.2 MB. That's > not heavy at all. File size is not a measure of code quality, or the effort required to maintain it. Regards, Erik -- Erik Nrgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:39:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A51510656AA for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC2B8FC20 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69A7EB46F6; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:51 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B9545152; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:51 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IdB3J1S-BQb0; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:51 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-196-111.home.otenet.gr [94.64.196.111]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B41451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:51 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TLdoFF081979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9TLdnmG081978; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: RW References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> (RW's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +0000") Message-ID: <871vkl3mmy.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:39:53 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +0000, RW wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a >> base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called >> "sendmail_enable" and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can >> quickly get up and running with a local-only MTA that: > > sendmail_enable exposes sendmail to the world. You don't need > to set anything for a local relay. I should have been more clear: I meant sendmail_enable="NO" (instead of "NONE"). This does not open Sendmail to anyone: keramida@kobe:/home/keramida$ sockstat -4 | sed -n -e 1p -e /send/p USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS root sendmail 3001 4 tcp4 127.0.0.1:25 *:* I'm a bit tired of saying the same thing many times, so I will stop saying ``please, work on making this happen, and let us have the patches''. I'll drop out of this thread now, because it has already taken too much of my time to write replies. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:49:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F9F106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AF68FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3ADEB474C; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCB5451B2; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:23 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pYuG3v5reFKI; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp-94-64-196-111.home.otenet.gr [94.64.196.111]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AB545152; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TLnMCk082042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9TLnMZB082041; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Martin McCormick References: <200910291539.n9TFcuKB078966@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <873a529mx6.fsf@kobe.laptop> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:49:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <873a529mx6.fsf@kobe.laptop> (Giorgos Keramidas's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87ws2d27ml.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:49:26 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:09 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... > ... > Running this script should produce something like: > > : keramida@kobe:/tmp$ python martin.py < input-file > : {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'), ('TXT', '"This is a test"')], > : 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]} > > When you have the hash map of hostname to record-list for each host, you > can select and print any combination of host<=>record from this hash. On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:44:12 -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > Perl and python-- I wasn't even thinking of that! Thank you. I have > installed python now on the FreeBSD system and will start learning it. > > A records look like: > > hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123 > > Text or TXT records look similar except that the data they > convey are ASCII text strings of various information that are > either read by people or maybe tell servers how to behave toward > that particular client. > > hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT "cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123" Once you slurp all the A and TXT records in a hash-map or another data structure of your own with Python, you can iterate over the hash and print parts or all of it. For example, if you have the hash I printed in my previous reply, you can print all addresses and text records with a small bit of code: : keramida@kobe:/home/keramida$ cat hello.py : #!/usr/bin/env python : : hosts = {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'), : ('TXT', '"This is a test"')], : 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]} : : for h in sorted(hosts): : addrs = [x[1] for x in hosts[h] if x[0] == 'A'] : txts = [x[1] for x in hosts[h] if x[0] == 'TXT'] : for a in addrs: : if len(txts) == 0: : txts = [""] : for t in txts: : print "%-20s %-30s %s" % (a, h, t) : keramida@kobe:/home/keramida$ python hello.py : 127.0.0.1 kobe "This is a test" : 127.0.0.1 localhost : keramida@kobe:/home/keramida$ Add or remove formatting as you see fit :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 21:56:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430731065676 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24388FC1F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2202254ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=5d5qs/lN84mdmnnlAOq253Vq99jrl0ibyPxUU3VZy1U=; b=WLA+Jl1rQcgGfS71RzS8qR3IaLT9SENUonNvrQyi36cgGfRszAMQy7SEQQfaLMixNp dyImoSuACjhsZPqz/7cgeQEG1lOm+nhgPiqxTifVui5XL/4L9XWDP7jpT+AeVVGLF0BQ PVSwBvumESbja/DN4gVHb+zL87c2+GEFy/a/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=eMrTmGpdmG/J27/yp0jXi5PQbT8eqeHuSy3RU/tlPraHmWQZbPd/TXTJaD0/jS+BHg 6Mckrg559gmLa723k+THckscuPZF97bIpvR2e51N5x5SXg8m1a6bWEJzw63Zh+sKC2KT TNpOJbJDfZapj0EPY5ferbKGyd26g3x9aUFW4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.147.7 with SMTP id z7mr3266223ebn.4.1256853358946; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:56:00 -0000 For Christ's sake. I have an IBM X41 laptop, which was happily running FreeBSD 7.1. Having a little free time this evening I decided to update it to 7.2. The upgrade failed miserably so I had to install from scratch. But that's OK, because I had backed up the machine beforehand. The install went through fine (via NFS after PXE boot - no CDROM on this box). And then I get to X. As this is a minor update I go to use the old Xorg config which worked fine. No joy. I get the dreaded "No screens found" error, although the screen is there of course. After trying X -configure several times, tweaking, etc., I get nowhere slowly. i810 is now just intel, but whatever. The screen comes up, but no mouse or keyboard. After yet much more fiddling and tweaking I finally get to the crux of the problem: fricking HAL. Having installed this from scratch using the X User defaults I might have expected that something that is now required to get the flipping keyboard and mouse working would be enabled by the installer. But no, I have to waste time on this crap just to get back to where I was before. Oh, and HAL uses 6MB or so of RAM. Not a lot. But as I already specify the hardware in the Xorg conf file it is, as far as I can see, an unnecessary waste. I thought it would be easy, but no, it's just a pain. It's wasn't unsolvable, as I have years of fiddling with UNIX and FreeBSD in particular. But for effing Christ's sake. I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL being needed by X. But the flipping installer should enable it when I selected X flipping User from the install options. My little upgrade has now turned from a bit of fun into a saga that I don't want to go through again. I had to get this off my chest. It was, as they say, doing my head in. MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:04:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9FA106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4435B8FC1A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1508508pxi.7 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=MEY+OaThqo/Rc1iRWPF+vxZ6w5H3i17HADnLax29veQ=; b=s5q2Lg6yKb/nbxOSn37/qYnMggBbOfqh2HToeXfy/8rLJs5BmHq8jGRHkJChrFQaVO FznibQzQ25tbCcXBMbgUHl5JkIPRGqSmVper3UBn1XQncWqaZWTHgNkCboVfaw1GFjPn ix1DE8O7XpL+OPIsoYLKmunleBdkwjieSsg4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=FyKSXFkoIp1+4iZbPOeHnXQFWbxRl2Feh6GNWvzcKngQsCcWBVuCAybWtvzgbeG/fc e1QRYYFqki0LaEK8PB2m0wKXskP4zI8/IN7WgwOjYZkVnzQGC9/deSttO5EkS9CchZa1 xzqwCpd8A3zaFkbL/gmS9ubIdtQMQBmRIj+xY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.61.23 with SMTP id j23mr56324wfa.299.1256853882034; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:04:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:04:41 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910291504id12ba4fi1fd4c56bb7d290fb@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:04:42 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Freminlins wrote: > For Christ's sake. I have an IBM X41 laptop, which was happily running > FreeBSD 7.1. Having a little free time this evening I decided to update it > to 7.2. The upgrade failed miserably so I had to install from scratch. But > that's OK, because I had backed up the machine beforehand. > > The install went through fine (via NFS after PXE boot - no CDROM on this > box). And then I get to X. As this is a minor update I go to use the old > Xorg config which worked fine. No joy. I get the dreaded "No screens found" > error, although the screen is there of course. After trying X -configure > several times, tweaking, etc., I get nowhere slowly. i810 is now just > intel, > but whatever. The screen comes up, but no mouse or keyboard. After yet much > more fiddling and tweaking I finally get to the crux of the problem: > fricking HAL. > > Having installed this from scratch using the X User defaults I might have > expected that something that is now required to get the flipping keyboard > and mouse working would be enabled by the installer. But no, I have to > waste > time on this crap just to get back to where I was before. Oh, and HAL uses > 6MB or so of RAM. Not a lot. But as I already specify the hardware in the > Xorg conf file it is, as far as I can see, an unnecessary waste. > > I thought it would be easy, but no, it's just a pain. It's wasn't > unsolvable, as I have years of fiddling with UNIX and FreeBSD in > particular. > But for effing Christ's sake. > > I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL being needed by X. > But > the flipping installer should enable it when I selected X flipping User > from > the install options. > > My little upgrade has now turned from a bit of fun into a saga that I don't > want to go through again. > > I had to get this off my chest. It was, as they say, doing my head in. > > MF. > _______________________________________________ > > HAL dependency is a knob in xorg-server port. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:21:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095D2106568B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8782B8FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so120434eyd.3 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VX1xXgKg49a1ns3KEAwZeaH8nK0iOGXdB929F4KBWjw=; b=VU4JI+tH4KJN1x/x+wAhXHNnj44havdNNkOPJY2wOJz9GoUtmGtj29QqTz9swSWxRy /ScjFQcAAaeuLcObObL7umjZISAm+RUDwnjgdCkqUwUncNFg4SoDwuliHwSpYVVd7CRX qlap1QVLHvkH6Q775pmWNI43yrExEliCTugrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hjeglf/ijfNUP2iBUulz2hWniX30J2BwXnVehbTPb7px0dukK26QiJQqUqg/4r8QiA 35vRuuo85NbRvwa7+6QLFeOxZkgP7/29vMy4jMsFglv56s9KreSL5WiKHo+bJoYM6sEP LtH8Tw4zJU3JDozIRi1iN2blJidPcXpwfcLg4= Received: by 10.211.158.7 with SMTP id k7mr785257ebo.71.1256854867473; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm7072227eyg.30.2009.10.29.15.21.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:21:04 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091029222104.5d12b844@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <871vkl3mmy.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910271703.12828.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20091029183435.5d6c3f0f@gumby.homeunix.com> <871vkl3mmy.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:21:09 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:49 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:35 +0000, RW > wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:08:24 +0200 > > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> What is nice about Sendmail today is that with minimal changes to a > >> base FreeBSD installation (the rc.conf(5) variable called > >> "sendmail_enable" and a SMART_HOST value in sendmail.mc) one can > >> quickly get up and running with a local-only MTA that: > > > > sendmail_enable exposes sendmail to the world. You don't need > > to set anything for a local relay. > > I should have been more clear: I meant sendmail_enable="NO" (instead > of "NONE"). This does not open Sendmail to anyone: sendmail_enable="NO" is the default. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:25:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CDE106566B for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653088FC0C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TMPIHu027509; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:25:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:25:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910292225.n9TMPIWU027508@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: math/arpack patch.tar.gz timestamp differs between ports and freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:25:24 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:37 +0000 "b. f." wrote: >>=> patch.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack. >>=> Attempting to fetch from http://www.caam.rice.edu/software/ARPACK/SRC/. >>fetch: patch.tar.gz: local modification time does not match remote > >rm -v /usr/ports/distfiles/arpack/patch.tar.gz and start again. > Well, well. I took the message shown above to the effect that that file didn't exist there at face value. But the file was indeed there, so I guess portmaster or something that portmaster runs can lie. After manually deleting the file per your suggestion, math/arpack installed just fine. Thank you very much! math/octave is now compiling as I write this. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:42:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9B2106566C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsk@gsp.org) Received: from taos.firemountain.net (taos.firemountain.net [207.114.3.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D358FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squonk.gsp.org (bltmd-207.114.17.122.dsl.charm.net [207.114.17.122]) by taos.firemountain.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9TM3nGH024336 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avatar.gsp.org (avatar.gsp.org [192.168.0.11]) by squonk.gsp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9TM1Sbt029934 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avatar.gsp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avatar.gsp.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-4) with ESMTP id n9TM3ilS023470 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:44 -0400 Received: (from rsk@localhost) by avatar.gsp.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9TM3hxI023469 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:43 -0400 From: Rich Kulawiec To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091029220343.GA23027@gsp.org> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:42:53 -0000 Having used sendmail since (quite nearly) the day it was released, and having also spent considerable time with postfix, exim, etc. in a variety of environments both small and quite large, I think I'm in a position to address this. Sendmail remains one of the best choices for an MTA. It's quite easy to configure for nearly all installations -- I would say that over the many I've done, most of those required only a few lines of changes to one of the m4 files to produce a fully-working configuration. It has an excellent feature set. It's maintained by some of the most experienced MTA people on this planet and while I don't agree with all of their design or implementation choices, I've learned to respect their judgment. It's readily configurable and customizable for some quite demanding and/or esoteric environments. It's documented exhaustively and considerable expertise abounds. It integrates well with just about everything, from webmail frontends to POP/IMAP servers to mailing list management software like Mailman. I see no reason at this time to change to another (default) MTA. Which is not to say that everyone should run the default MTA: some installations may require features which sendmail doesn't offer and can't be handled by milters. But in those cases -- where another MTA is required -- I expect the implementor to have the expertise to effect this change. ---Rsk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:44:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88D7106568D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=546a4110a=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893678FC1F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,648,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="19342819" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2009 17:16:05 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54E794EF5C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:16:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:16:05 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:43 -0000 --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 16:55:58 -0500 Freminlins wrote: > > I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL being needed by X. But > the flipping installer should enable it when I selected X flipping User from > the install options. > > My little upgrade has now turned from a bit of fun into a saga that I don't > want to go through again. > > I had to get this off my chest. It was, as they say, doing my head in. > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might have warned you. 20090123: AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org If you are using an older xorg.conf several config lines are no longer needed and will generate warnings when X is started. RgbPath will cause X to fail to start, remove it from your config. Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices via hald. This is causing some issues with moused and /dev/sysmouse. There are couple of options for how to deal with it: 1. Add Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" to your ServerLayout section. This will cause X to use the configured kbd, mouse, and vmmouse sections from your xorg.conf 2. Don't use moused. If you want it to work with addon USB mice set this in rc.conf: moused_enable="NO" moused_nondefault_enable="NO" I'm working on fixing hald or the mouse driver or both. In this modern world where everyone wants things to "just work", xorg now does not require any conf file at all, and can happily configure on the fly (in most cases) without any input at all. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 22:50:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6DA1065696 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:50:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199328FC14 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TMoMNr027745; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:50:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:50:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910292250.n9TMoM3f027744@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:50:25 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:09 +0000 "b. f." wrote: >On 10/29/09, Scott Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 +0000 "b. f." >> wrote: >>>On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." >>>> wrote: >>>>>Scott Bennet wrote: > >>>MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus` >>>_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER} >> >> I figured it must do something of the sort. The CPU is an old 3.4 GHz >> P4 Prescott, so it has two logical processors, so MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER gets set >> to 2. Given the handbook recommendations and my own observations, it seems >> to me that the above method should actually multiply the value of >> kern.smp.cpus by at least 2.5 for best performance. For CPUs on separate >> cores, 3 is the recommended multiplier, but where HTT logical CPUs are >> involved a multiplier somewhat lower than that is in order. On the Prescott >> chips, 2.5 seems to work very well, so when I set MAKEFLAGS myself, I set >> it to 5, which is 2.5 * kern.smp.scpus. >> > >That seems a bit ambitious. In any event, It would be better to do Perhaps it is, but my own experience with it shows 6 to be too high and 4 to be a bit low. 5 seems to work pretty well with very little CPU idle time. >this via the variable MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER, which was created for this >purpose and can be overridden by the user, rather than by using >MAKEFLAGS, which may cause all sorts of problems, among them ignoring >the setting of MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE. When installing/updating ports, I always "unsetenv MAKEFLAGS" before starting, so there should be no problem. It just means that some ports jobs probably take slightly longer to complete. > >>> >>>> I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the >>>> "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now possible >>>> thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple "-x" >>>> arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that >>>> worked >>>> in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this >>>> for >>>> a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed >>>> by >>>> portmaster or portupgrade, however. >>> >>>You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to >>>HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a >> >> I haven't been using portupgrade much lately. portmaster seems to >> be the recommended tool, and it's certainly a lot faster than portupgrade, > >portmaster is more lightweight, but has fewer features. I roll my own. > From just the few months I've been using portmaster, it seems to make fewer mistakes than portupgrade, though. The problem is in trying to keep in mind that the mistakes that it does make are ones it makes quite frequently. >> >> >>>/var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of >> >> Yes, but that method doesn't work for perl, and IIRC, it doesn't >> work for lang/gcc?? either. The -x method does, however. >> > >It seems to work for me with lang/perl5.10. What experience have you >had that suggests that it doesn't work with these ports? > I upgraded from lang/perl5.8 to lang/perl5.10 a few months ago. The thread should be in the freebsd-ports@ archives. portmaster would prompt about the +IGNOREME file, accept the reply of "n" or just hitting enter to take the default of "n", continue on a while, and then begin to rebuild perl-5.8.9 anyway. -x works more reliably than +IGNOREME, but the two together cover more situations, so that's what I do now for the really tough cases like perl. A problem until a month or two ago was that portmaster would only accept a single -x argument. Doug Barton enhanced it to accept many a couple of months ago, so portmaster is a considerably better tool now than it was before. He has recently posted a request on freebsd-announce for funding to support a major rewrite/enhancement project for portmaster. If enough money can be raised, he plans to drop his other income-producing activities long enough to get the project done, which might reduce the frequency of roadblocks we encounter in dealing with the ports subsystem of FreeBSD. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 23:15:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E2B1065693 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CC28FC16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2258288ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:15:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tkxNfipFY5qq4wKZPqWSbxHRQguuUFFXZL3uGlYIldg=; b=MN26mHDgf9NdOFBxK/QOozCOmKZ5TxZ+tdcgysbpO5cG6tJt3ityA+OpS9eE6Hdxm6 f9Ji/HqJT30fNbQeE7rZz9StjjGokwLWMdGR5Hn6+0gfjfnx2nC5dbAjnPgAuXe0zOXk COYKtwFpNKh1WCE22xJ81WSWoUYl84OWzXf/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lynBtXAfUB0mjPsU3lCjh5GQAzkRFtR1nqPlfXaCccipKuu9zubcEdI4VcDQ3WG9tQ y+rih4ny6s9iPH4P9nX8HCntXEuSQUnZgHCMKTiKQMEqpZD5xJ5kNYOL58APuldkPFmr xU56+CSrbVUk2fC6yOO398VQZb6iaXB+iK9yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.128.9 with SMTP id f9mr766940ebn.93.1256858108931; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:15:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Paul Schmehl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:10 -0000 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run > into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because > I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might > have warned you. > Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically certain options specified in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it knows best. But it doesn't, cos it's broken. What really gets my goat about this is that things that used to work, and people understand how they worked and how they were configured, no longer work. And I'm 18MB of RAM worse off into the bargain. There's a thread about other people's experience here: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=10924#post10924. One of the posts contains these words "I've been fighting this one for two days now, and still don't have a fully working system." That's seriously nasty for anyone. The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't have an Nvidia card on this box so: pkg_delete xf86-video-nv-2.1.13 pkg_delete: package 'xf86-video-nv-2.1.13' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: xorg-drivers-7.4_1 xorg-7.4_1 Great. So what is the point in having a separate package if I can't remove that damn thing? I know I can pkg_delete -f, but why make it hard? > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst MF From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 23:19:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3803E10656A5 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henry.olyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9180F8FC28 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2261107ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7etaAzhht2t2g7n+x1duEs1Hn3KoM6wDY/1WDKHEBAc=; b=sifrPxG3nlQg4BvhV9VfKAzXt582NgSDKbFB5Y3pk9fqQNUcs1GiyX99TnMky90PbJ hJmjZv9qPQjFN0tUtrRfH4iYic1utC/DLfjuwDARcF9RcwFf9EFFnUUL5Wp5HWF+58n5 qcY7uEH59c3btbQui823cCRFnMYMPFmKqCF3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Oi/28Mdx3HaXF/FJrd+bxaXSSWXQbwxInszSc/KTys2kSCdEgCpTDAVOa0pGCS1mZN aRHy8rZ3noFeUc60ebIjubhXhgoG6HlFcuVkZQ7L50jnwLKG/wKwp+UJSTCSPW4R94mY csPmy+GcLvPs/ameeGC8y7RUp+5rBdxSZbtH4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.7.24 with SMTP id 24mr29889ebg.48.1256858368566; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910292250.n9TMoM3f027744@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <200910292250.n9TMoM3f027744@mp.cs.niu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1d7089c40910291619y27045d23pae9ba9d98db9f086@mail.gmail.com> From: Henry Olyer To: Scott Bennett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:19:30 -0000 Look, keep claiming that it's working if you like, but I've been backing up another machine and making notes -- so that when I do my reinstall of 7.2, I don't have to come back here again, asking for help that's already been given. My point is: gcc44 doesn't work. It is broken and I suspect it's going to stay broken. Only a fresh install *might* fix the problem. I know these systems are very complex, I don't want to criticize anyone -- I'm very impressed that the FreeBSD community works as well as it does; And after all, this is the first time I've encountered problems this serious, and I used to write compilers, so I know that you guys have done a terrific job. But let's move on; gcc44 doesn't work, it's not going to, and we need to focus on a repair strategy. Is it to simply to do a fresh install? I've been backing up, I'll do this if I have to... On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:07:09 +0000 "b. f." > wrote: > >On 10/29/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 +0000 "b. f." > >> wrote: > >>>On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 +0000 "b. f." < > bf1783@googlemail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>Scott Bennet wrote: > > > >>>MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus` > >>>_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER} > >> > >> I figured it must do something of the sort. The CPU is an old 3.4 > GHz > >> P4 Prescott, so it has two logical processors, so MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER gets > set > >> to 2. Given the handbook recommendations and my own observations, it > seems > >> to me that the above method should actually multiply the value of > >> kern.smp.cpus by at least 2.5 for best performance. For CPUs on > separate > >> cores, 3 is the recommended multiplier, but where HTT logical CPUs are > >> involved a multiplier somewhat lower than that is in order. On the > Prescott > >> chips, 2.5 seems to work very well, so when I set MAKEFLAGS myself, I > set > >> it to 5, which is 2.5 * kern.smp.scpus. > >> > > > >That seems a bit ambitious. In any event, It would be better to do > > Perhaps it is, but my own experience with it shows 6 to be too high > and > 4 to be a bit low. 5 seems to work pretty well with very little CPU idle > time. > > >this via the variable MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER, which was created for this > >purpose and can be overridden by the user, rather than by using > >MAKEFLAGS, which may cause all sorts of problems, among them ignoring > >the setting of MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE. > > When installing/updating ports, I always "unsetenv MAKEFLAGS" before > starting, so there should be no problem. It just means that some ports > jobs probably take slightly longer to complete. > > > >>> > >>>> I guess I will just have to add "-x gcc\*" to the > >>>> "portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a" runs from now on, which is now > possible > >>>> thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple > "-x" > >>>> arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that > >>>> worked > >>>> in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this > >>>> for > >>>> a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better > managed > >>>> by > >>>> portmaster or portupgrade, however. > >>> > >>>You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to > >>>HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a > >> > >> I haven't been using portupgrade much lately. portmaster seems to > >> be the recommended tool, and it's certainly a lot faster than > portupgrade, > > > >portmaster is more lightweight, but has fewer features. I roll my own. > > > From just the few months I've been using portmaster, it seems to make > fewer mistakes than portupgrade, though. The problem is in trying to keep > in mind that the mistakes that it does make are ones it makes quite > frequently. > >> > >> > >>>/var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of > >> > >> Yes, but that method doesn't work for perl, and IIRC, it doesn't > >> work for lang/gcc?? either. The -x method does, however. > >> > > > >It seems to work for me with lang/perl5.10. What experience have you > >had that suggests that it doesn't work with these ports? > > > I upgraded from lang/perl5.8 to lang/perl5.10 a few months ago. The > thread should be in the freebsd-ports@ archives. portmaster would prompt > about the +IGNOREME file, accept the reply of "n" or just hitting enter > to take the default of "n", continue on a while, and then begin to rebuild > perl-5.8.9 anyway. > -x works more reliably than +IGNOREME, but the two together cover more > situations, so that's what I do now for the really tough cases like perl. > A problem until a month or two ago was that portmaster would only accept a > single -x argument. Doug Barton enhanced it to accept many a couple of > months ago, so portmaster is a considerably better tool now than it was > before. He has recently posted a request on freebsd-announce for funding > to support a major rewrite/enhancement project for portmaster. If enough > money can be raised, he plans to drop his other income-producing activities > long enough to get the project done, which might reduce the frequency of > roadblocks we encounter in dealing with the ports subsystem of FreeBSD. > > > Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG > ********************************************************************** > * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * > *--------------------------------------------------------------------* > * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * > * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * > * -- a standing army." * > * -- Gov. 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Luisa, Monterrey, Nuevo Len 64005, Mexico Email Marketing by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 29 23:57:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FE31065679 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from mzpi3.forethought.net (mzpi3.forethought.net [216.241.36.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6C28FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 216-241-45-95.static.forethought.net ([216.241.45.95] helo=auden.jmla.com) by mz1.forethought.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3esO-0004yl-VZ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:57:57 -0600 Message-ID: <4AEA2C04.8030703@forethought.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:57:56 -0600 From: Reed Loefgren User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090906) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freminlins References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:57:59 -0000 Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl > > >> Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so frustrated, but I run >> into these sorts of problems myself from time to time. It's usually because >> I didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in this case might >> have warned you. >> >> > > > Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read it. > There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This whole HAL thing > stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically certain options specified > in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it knows best. But it doesn't, cos > it's broken. > > What really gets my goat about this is that things that used to work, and > people understand how they worked and how they were configured, no longer > work. And I'm 18MB of RAM worse off into the bargain. > > There's a thread about other people's experience here: > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=10924#post10924. One of the posts > contains these words "I've been fighting this one for two days now, and > still don't have a fully working system." That's seriously nasty for anyone. > > The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to > remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't > have an Nvidia card on this box so: > > pkg_delete xf86-video-nv-2.1.13 > pkg_delete: package 'xf86-video-nv-2.1.13' is required by these other > packages > and may not be deinstalled: > xorg-drivers-7.4_1 > xorg-7.4_1 > > Great. So what is the point in having a separate package if I can't remove > that damn thing? I know I can pkg_delete -f, but why make it hard? > > > >> Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst >> > > > MF > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Yes, HAL does stink. As I understand it it drifted over from the Linux world. People smarter than I saw a need for it. (I'm not second guessing them here, after the typical hair pulling I read UPDATING and some of the angry but concise posts about HAL and everything has worked great since.) Imagine my surprise then to read in a recent Ubuntu write-up that, with the release of Karmic Koala, their (Ubuntu's) use of HAL is on its way to deprecation. How long has it been around? A year? Two? And now it's headed for Linux's ever-expanding dustbin of ideas that were once sold as the greatest thing since sliced bread. This is why I use FreeBSD; as a counter-irritant to Linux's willy-nilly approach to development. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 00:03:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90796106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@cs.niu.edu) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (mp.cs.niu.edu [131.156.145.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6275B8FC12 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mp.cs.niu.edu (bennett@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mp.cs.niu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9U03cel028507; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:03:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:03:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <200910300003.n9U03cxL028506@mp.cs.niu.edu> To: henry.olyer@gmail.com Cc: bf1783@googlemail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:40 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:19:28 -0400 Henry Olyer wrote: >Look, keep claiming that it's working if you like, but I've been backing up >another machine and making notes -- so that when I do my reinstall of 7.2, I >don't have to come back here again, asking for help that's already been >given. > >My point is: gcc44 doesn't work. It is broken and I suspect it's going to >stay broken. Only a fresh install *might* fix the problem. Given that it has just finished compiling math/octave-3.2.3 in the last minute or two, I'd say your assessment of gcc44 needs some modification. :-) > >I know these systems are very complex, I don't want to criticize anyone -- >I'm very impressed that the FreeBSD community works as well as it does; And >after all, this is the first time I've encountered problems this serious, >and I used to write compilers, so I know that you guys have done a terrific >job. > >But let's move on; gcc44 doesn't work, it's not going to, and we need to It does work. >focus on a repair strategy. Is it to simply to do a fresh install? I've >been backing up, I'll do this if I have to... > And it installed fine, too, which you would have known if you had read my followup to the suggestion to do a "make distclean install" from the lang/gcc44 directory, rather than to install it via portmaster. Assuming that the old-fashioned method handled any accumulated patches properly, then I think the only problem is in portmaster, rather than lang/gcc4[34]. What, in particular, about those two ports caused portmaster to screw up remains to be determined. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ********************************************************************** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * "A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army." * * -- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 00:18:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB81F1065679 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from datahead4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC8C8FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1572237pzk.7 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ll54/l3KkODlpLAlLUCagTIsd+3BpMh34CMnXj5B1RE=; b=XnZH66B0DweEEeUKQjIes/G0yG6+FpzyRzzpJ/eSLJRz3bEjMCYTcsdIQTa2+JQK5v MiFMy2GID4Edkom+RynUsTqPkfRv8ucsj8fYKFEGdZ8spHRb65ywHV+H9Um8Hsnx8ICy 4yBxWeCi6b/xZc+jK/q1t2+TGrzrMlGepHWio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TjRXtPuvSAfz1N6L3vIDMNvDUIzK6KeRxSWdFft0wpWm/N1camnGg6/IvcudZT5G0X kD3GEgxkmZjR4iL4QUVAmLG+g6LS1VhoAssdQhnhR+k6FiSUaT646P/WTd/EQZFpb4lm YeH5iw8SAfydzUbpyC/d5Fm7nujBV4NdYtmhg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr549491waj.12.1256860451415; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:54:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matt To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:18:09 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/29 Paul Schmehl > > The whole Xorg thing, at least on FreeBSD, is just a minefield. I like to > remove unnecessary packages, to save space for when I do backups. I don't > have an Nvidia card on this box so: > > pkg_delete xf86-video-nv-2.1.13 > pkg_delete: package 'xf86-video-nv-2.1.13' is required by these other > packages > and may not be deinstalled: > xorg-drivers-7.4_1 ^^^^^^^^^^ > xorg-7.4_1 ^^^^^^^^^^ > > Great. So what is the point in having a separate package if I can't remove > that damn thing? I know I can pkg_delete -f, but why make it hard? The xorg and xorg-drivers ports are meta ports meant to make it easier to just install _everything_ related to those two items. They don't actually install anything themselves. You can safely delete those two ports and then the xf86-video-nv port will not complain about being required by other ports. Matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 01:19:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F68B106568D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdnewb@yahoo.com) Received: from web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 414798FC17 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18312 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2009 00:52:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256863944; bh=tFRCOo51/pE5p5uiy+NhZwoIvBJlL9bMvjht/M6C3Os=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DfXFzAqrIuZh9GY49RcZEi+fzTFFWNPIsSdAhMu3EzoHDdO4t80H3PBCzR6CP/aApnr+6x03/u7UpQ+7xlSYTJXpFx8eQsATC3omkJXNML4jw6GjIRZoaykcbVCFhVOlC3dBKR+vwk1JgdY9b4eBdVbEGhIQAQDXh/aLR/JKhJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4ww0Ism9/MLzHOD1xLYN9Ux6ZClYy2QNgm3YZukNce0ja51bzsCE5jflf/JdooRUNBKrFXpF7l4w1c/F1ID3s1dDSPcZcvdLoTxVmg+akLAIUEyQ2NYdX6IaEE4thbq7ejnEUvW9SwE/Zgvrg0075utRCcxI7qJ5ZeN7y1qIhgc=; Message-ID: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .69CcJkVM1lcDa_xsDycW3Wq245zDZr9X49f0_qEfrJK9K8WqZvgyy1Zj8hAKUmdJgg8rpNDfUDuShpIc_YQYDFtWW4vOxSjcg_9VaMuBvAkrwbpv2SPfDl1wVBv4WNnaguve33KZzHnS9j.xfYMzLZKtHZm_jUPj3JQJMuGtMTF4XwwtZfmtpfG1O9CuNZrXlnae9FMn3R1.wMybi3p.Iz2T7MeEgGsrCSEc1mPiQ5uZ2w7C54i__RF6lnNp0WAl28- Received: from [68.196.21.252] by web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:52:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Monty Pyth To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: APACHE/PHP/MYSQL Password Hash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:19:05 -0000 I have inherited a website to work on that users authenticate to using a login and password from a login page. The server is FreeBSD 6.2 running APACHE/PHP/MYSQL. There is a MYSQL table that maintains all of the users. The table has a users name and password. The password is hashed and some examples are: 02SvtVJnRLzuQ 42jhVP6kxUBX6 Can anyone tell me what file I would look at to see what hash algorithm is being used to store the passwords in the table? Any help would be great. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 01:24:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87DF1065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6264A8FC19 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8323A382C; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:24:00 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:from:from:message-id:date :date:received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1256865840; x= 1258680240; bh=CvTBRLueX6LS8UwEBCqd+aacp4YiebVxfttYc8o2Bcw=; b=l eImTECDLaqDiomV9oN74AMl4LZa93DdRLuQ9sRwYhyhybQwnRcLqHHA59dNwI3dT RMSuy/31942L3DfGJfu0hiKPIiMmWQ02sqsnx/rpbicGCIikK2sU3xxSg5x59UDh uOw2edX/1e1QOTa+sa63OAyFu9zYHZAvI/y+XrhTgI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id KOan4AFMV5Y7; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:24:00 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C18A83A381D; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:23:59 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9U1Nxvl087456; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:23:59 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:23:59 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910300123.n9U1Nxvl087456@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsdnewb@yahoo.com In-reply-to: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (message from Monty Pyth on Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:52:24 -0700 (PDT)) References: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: APACHE/PHP/MYSQL Password Hash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:24:02 -0000 Hi, > The password is hashed and some examples are: > > 02SvtVJnRLzuQ > 42jhVP6kxUBX6 > > Can anyone tell me what file I would look at to see what hash > algorithm is being used to store the passwords in the table? Any > help would be great. As a hint, to help make it easier to reply, where are the password stored? Where did you get the example above? Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 01:29:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F9106568D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from guam10.hdk5.net (guam10.hdk5.net [66.180.132.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABCF8FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by guam10.hdk5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069971CCA0; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:29:17 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4AEA416D.7020609@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:29:17 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> <35f70db10910290509v112e9f41y8d3228d7af6a1358@mail.gmail.com> <20091029203126.GA72499@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20091029203126.GA72499@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Mailing List , ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:29:19 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 02:09:50PM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Gary Kline wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: >>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline >>> wrote: >>>>>>> so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd....? >>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ >>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ >>>>> wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? >>>> This: >>>> >>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ >>>> >>>> is indeed 64bit. >>> >>> >>> Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the >>> AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit >>> == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> gary >>> >>> ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not >>> sure about the 64-bit chips... . >>> >> Intel licensed the AMD64 instruction set and they call it Intel 64 in their >> chips. >> Most free UNIX-like systems call the x86_64 releases AMD64 because thats >> the correct name for the instruction set. > > > Well, I was just a bit behind the times; like four or five > years. But thanks to several wiki articles, that's resolved. > Nutshell is that I just finished burning the bootonly.iso. > Now, if the power holds and I get the 8.0-RC2 running on the > Dell, there's hope. > > And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the > DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the > current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd > like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo > and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? > > gary > > >> -- >> "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in >> overalls and looks like work." >> Thomas Alva Edison >> Inventor of 1093 patents, including: >> The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. > Aloha Gary, If that used computer place has UPS get a couple and get new batteries for them if they are not refurbished. I got 2 used free beacuse the batteries were dead and took out the small batteries and installed the standard 100 amp hour batteries to back up 6 servers 2 years ago. I too was having up to 10 hour power outages.Now the backup will go for at least 10 hours with no line power. We had a 6 hour outage last fall and the system kept right on working. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 01:58:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEB2106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B258FC16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so2347321ewy.43 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9zAf0n+qfOusGM32JrU7N8JPMcnORU/mCTRJeGDDeP8=; b=N1yg/DR7JppRgtunjdOEvybJbmknAcgTWqUqEkmoxU1qnnZc3m3Iu4EgsswI/5/nyJ Q1rQEdwVWw7jv3iH3SZnxFT/cW/SOUQIzzpFqMt7pDRE/5KnX0/pQZuZHvsYJqEYzuy0 qZrACuGhvU9CjDLE5NUz/qcnQATEIAewUV49E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EdyazkidiA9WjoMUhVYEcl5gmztoLwqmRB81ub63baRArS4qeWEI5DqJ4KJILXk2+z nCIPSS/ib43Up0OEW41JRg2025WMNTw3MIWqW4uwQYou48tdcwOWoxpFR7tWi5m3vHct G3fhQnxzJ69Ivq+7OSnNrNbNrEegasmWqoBkw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.85 with SMTP id b63mr317936wef.175.1256867896153; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:58:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: APseudoUtopia Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: <27ade5280910291857q2e48b699if02865a1b36d0a3d@mail.gmail.com> To: Monty Pyth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: APACHE/PHP/MYSQL Password Hash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:58:17 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Monty Pyth wrote: > I have inherited a website to work on that users authenticate to using a = login and password from a login page. The server is FreeBSD 6.2 running APA= CHE/PHP/MYSQL. There is a MYSQL table that maintains all of the users. The = table has a users name and password. The password is hashed and some exampl= es are: > > 02SvtVJnRLzuQ > 42jhVP6kxUBX6 > > Can anyone tell me what file I would look at to see what hash algorithm i= s being used to store the passwords in the table? Any help would be great. > > > Looking in the website file that processes the login page. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:14:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178DC106568B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rdgehlba@gehlbach.com) Received: from rdsmtp.iglou.com (rdsmtp.iglou.com [192.107.41.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C718FC15 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iglou2.iglou.com ([192.107.41.8]:32900 helo=mail.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtpa (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1N3iX1-0002vN-Ki by authid with igloumta_auth for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:52:07 -0400 Received: from smtp.gehlbach.com ([204.255.230.80]:60741 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.iglou.com with esmtps (TLS cipher TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim MTA/8.19.3) (envelope-from ) id 1N3iX1-0006x6-CE for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:52:07 -0400 Message-ID: <4AEA62E6.1080506@gehlbach.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:52:06 -0400 From: Richard Gehlbach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 204.255.230.80 X-IgLou-Customer: f08e2c62dd1ea041dbbca8406504a28c Cc: Subject: Rebuild instructions for amd64 systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:14:53 -0000 I am installing FreeBSD 7.2 / amd64 on a new server (HP DL370 G6) with 2 quad Xeon processors and 16GB memory. I have worked with the i386 versions since version 3.x, but this is the first server large enough to need amd64. I have been trying to determine the correct procedures for rebuilding the world and kernel. I have not been able to find a location that had step by step instructions, similar to the handbook, for properly working with the amd64 version. Searches have turned up so many fragments of what needs to be done, that I cannot feel confident trying to put the pieces together. I need instructions for the command line compile options, conf file additions, and any special instructions. If anyone can point me to some applicable links or some specific instructions, it would be appreciated. TIA Richard -- Richard D. Gehlbach Gehlbach Consulting Services rdgehlba@gehlbach.com 3321 Pepperhill Ct. 859.269.6658 Fax 859.266.7446 Lexington, KY 40502 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:24:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A405106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email1.allantgroup.com (email1.emsphone.com [199.67.51.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDBE8FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email1.allantgroup.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n9U3mE65057569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:48:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9U3mEF4086115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:48:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9U3mEO7086112; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:48:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:48:13 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: patrick Message-ID: <20091030034812.GU29215@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.1, clamav-milter version 0.94.1 on email1.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (email1.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:48:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.45 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Get the cwd of a process? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:34 -0000 In the last episode (Oct 29), patrick said: > Is there any way to get the cwd of a process? We had the situation > recently where a perl script was called from an infiltrated Wordpress > installation, but we weren't able to determine which of the hundreds of > Wordpress blogs was the source. The ps listing showed: > > www 63968 2.4 0.2 26092 5008 ?? Rs 5:36PM 93:10.67 ./mrf.pl (perl5.8.8) > > The procfs entry was no help because it does not seem to provide a cwd. > The cmdline entry just showed "/usr/local/bin/perl ./mrf.pl". > > We had to kill the process, and who ever was responsible did a good job of > hiding their tracks. But should this happen again (and we expect it > will), we'd like to be able to find the source. /usr/bin/fstat will tell you the inode of the cwd, and you can use "find -inum" to locate it. You can also install lsof from ports, which will dig into the kernel and try and fetch the name itself: (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> fstat -p $$ | grep wd dan zsh 77611 wd / 474264 drwxr-xr-x 533 r (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> lsof -p $$ -a -d cwd COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME zsh 77611 dan cwd VDIR 60,504234031 533 474264 /usr/home/dan -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:24:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AF51065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E9E8FC1A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so478056pwj.3 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0+qsiJCjiHazTB+okjWhNQ6PDlChluKbnApLZlBbm4M=; b=SxZkzFr/8/AJKnSRYCEc5DiizxR2XPf/vKEQ7iMRj+ACx/TNV6SCo1SqeXAi3sWHLq hrXzn30FUp6IXHgJwZeEx0NukqJ+//fnihyP5Zm8MbdKLybneqoMb+HmHI90KYrIwckk vF1bTuCB6q0r70yN1jVWddrCjq3N/0xNAJfKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=m2PTl9WkP7v0EbcgU8SW2BWqCpEg9wZ7oFnq35TiY3qYZVU5/GB0lNyPYaCL/yLfC4 d/C4OGsYMN26m060sj/vmRLsiyKq//utUkpXadLpRU7gN0mVTUXRKzFnkD9FcLYrUaMx c+ISIwXMMQPjUi7JlOF3l71EfvNcLC8LDThK8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.66.25 with SMTP id o25mr101532wfa.195.1256876694135; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEA62E6.1080506@gehlbach.com> References: <4AEA62E6.1080506@gehlbach.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:24:54 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910292124q47d35f3j276335a8f72ffe22@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Richard Gehlbach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Rebuild instructions for amd64 systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:24:55 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Richard Gehlbach wrote: > I am installing FreeBSD 7.2 / amd64 on a new server (HP DL370 G6) with 2 > quad Xeon processors and 16GB memory. I have worked with the i386 versions > since version 3.x, but this is the first server large enough to need amd64. > > I have been trying to determine the correct procedures for rebuilding the > world and kernel. I have not been able to find a location that had step by > step instructions, similar to the handbook, for properly working with the > amd64 version. Searches have turned up so many fragments of what needs to > be done, that I cannot feel confident trying to put the pieces together. > > I need instructions for the command line compile options, conf file > additions, and any special instructions. > > If anyone can point me to some applicable links or some specific > instructions, it would be appreciated. > > TIA > Richard > It is exactly the same procedure, cvsup/csup and build/installation procedure. This is assuming of course that amd64 is currently on the system. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:41:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB945106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ws@au.dyndns.ws) Received: from ipmail02.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A12B8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:41:55 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0BAA4K6kqWZWdv/2dsb2JhbAAI3mmEPQQ Received: from ppp103-111.static.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.144]) ([150.101.103.111]) by ipmail02.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 15:11:53 +1030 From: Wayne Sierke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20091029033233.167588e7@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <4AE3944A.4090602@videotron.ca> <4AE40A00.3040607@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20091029033233.167588e7@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:49 +1030 Message-Id: <1256877709.1954.250.camel@predator-ii.buffyverse> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flashplugin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:41:56 -0000 On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 03:32 +0000, RW wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 +0000 > Freminlins wrote: > > > > I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD > > a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the > > misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser > > plugin working unreliably. > > Some time ago I installed the windows version of Firefox and Flash > under wine and I've found it pretty reliable. I don't use it all the > time just on the small number of sites where flash is essential. I have also done that in the past and more recently I've been using Google's Chrome browser in wine. It's not perfect but I've found it to be generally adequate. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:48:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F6F106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB9A8FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1671674pxi.7 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:48:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3L20XInQYkRvkMw09XZfQGuxSh4DSWEGOfS2P8Yzr+I=; b=eoF7rsJU0Y+rNT9Uy0+/s4MJkGSfEaGdMqUbg792d6F/QxiIK3pWrdohN5LhrIo9IU rW7x+IHNqjGhUuun4D8/SrcJr93jRDDwqZcQRj6PzTrXqZxz2iUGM6unZF1heV+41Mnl ZXr1snyxOdI+mxirostzY8volKFKm17upcD7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=HcbYg8hJ7HykW31pacAVkNxMh9HzRl1B4qMhwDEo8W25l3gsvpNGrFx7KFBJDcD9VL klWJEV3HJlsXkPzRZZ+hmtv6cgevbMaz+C7pkb4HIZhcDwSbrMyNtOw3CKlNbgGHaMcl 0hSkdoMPQ0qEVjtpCDaBZF17GeqVO0pB9yf+0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.249.37 with SMTP id w37mr107621wfh.271.1256878125552; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:48:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091030034812.GU29215@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20091030034812.GU29215@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:48:45 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910292148i231766f6oc96e3c0b9b87cb0f@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Dan Nelson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: patrick , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Get the cwd of a process? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:48:48 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 29), patrick said: > > Is there any way to get the cwd of a process? We had the situation > > recently where a perl script was called from an infiltrated Wordpress > > installation, but we weren't able to determine which of the hundreds of > > Wordpress blogs was the source. The ps listing showed: > > > > www 63968 2.4 0.2 26092 5008 ?? Rs 5:36PM 93:10.67 ./ > mrf.pl (perl5.8.8) > > > > The procfs entry was no help because it does not seem to provide a cwd. > > The cmdline entry just showed "/usr/local/bin/perl ./mrf.pl". > > > > We had to kill the process, and who ever was responsible did a good job > of > > hiding their tracks. But should this happen again (and we expect it > > will), we'd like to be able to find the source. > > /usr/bin/fstat will tell you the inode of the cwd, and you can use "find > -inum" to locate it. You can also install lsof from ports, which will dig > into the kernel and try and fetch the name itself: > > (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> fstat -p $$ | grep wd > dan zsh 77611 wd / 474264 drwxr-xr-x 533 r > (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> lsof -p $$ -a -d cwd > COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME > zsh 77611 dan cwd VDIR 60,504234031 533 474264 /usr/home/dan > > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > procstat -f -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 07:42:27 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E1C106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vadimax@policija.lt) Received: from mail.policija.lt (mail.policija.lt [193.219.11.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5D98FC1E for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BEHOLDER (osd.policija.lt [172.17.0.151]) by drift1.policija.lt (Postfix) with SMTP id 196071D6479 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:12:29 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <6B0BC25C3907417B8B994665E23677BA@ois.lt> From: "Vadim Maksimenko" To: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:12:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091029-0, 10/29/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-POLICIJA-LT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-POLICIJA-LT-MailScanner-ID: 196071D6479.AA3C7 X-POLICIJA-LT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-POLICIJA-LT-MailScanner-From: vadimax@policija.lt X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Failure to do netinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:42:27 -0000 Dear Sirs, I have faced an unpleasant fact that your netinstall ability of 7.2 RELEASE and 8.0-RC2 are dead. My network card is being identified and initialized properly (an old 3com980), it gets DHCP setup (IP, gateway, DNS info is ok), but... That's all that is done properly. When I try to select any flavor of network install, it crashes with a message like "Cannot connect bla bla bla: the connect is in wrong state." What should I do now if I want to install FreeBSD via network and have no option of changing the hardware? Yours faithfully, Vadim. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 08:05:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1106A106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from c.mail.ru.ac.za (c.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FE78FC1A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:05:20 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=cJl2fyvr1Az5NOmm4WQJZpAxNn06qLzE9+kkr4IqGT4jNBucrcsOkZRPWTwcmrpv7C+OD35ctf+vZXcLxm9Spx3sZIxz92cp7/84phnlOPJ4zpvUzJ1MXtM446JnMEEQ; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:65214) by c.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N3mU2-000Irk-Nh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:05:18 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:05:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910291844.n9TIiC5v037167@dc.cis.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <200910291844.n9TIiC5v037167@dc.cis.okstate.edu> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: c.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:3) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:05:23 -0000 On Thursday 29 October 2009 20:44:12 Martin McCormick wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > > You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... > > > > If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want > > the output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those > > together. The alternative is to use join(1). > A records look like: > > hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123 > > Text or TXT records look similar [...] > > hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT "cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123" This will work well since the default join field is the first field in the line. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 08:18:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107321065679 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from c.mail.ru.ac.za (c.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBAA8FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:18:27 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=EygduVjPckb3c0i0VStz/8P8jeIpDiE8/5oXNN4WUV9um8aNPjXNiiD6nxULcCWE/xBbpoSbjkXkRWCAdczPv9HbPxXxeMKOBdQPh6M+OPrtDi5HX/Hb0UJlF7A1iWnd; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:64717) by c.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N3mgj-000JFu-OM for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:18:25 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:18:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> In-Reply-To: <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: c.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:3) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:18:28 -0000 On Thursday 29 October 2009 21:58:54 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed > > ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job > > Bullshit. > > Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know > who it is, why can't it look in hosts? Since it cannot be trusted to send > mail, what does it need to know from the internet? It has been horribly > broken for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, and this m4 stuff is a > pile of crap. There is no documentation whatsoever. Unless you buy a book > from O'Reilly and line the pockets of the "maintainer(s)." Why can't it be > a option to configure the system without it? Not any money in that, is > there? This is exactly the sort of ill-informed religious rant that always comes up when sendmail is discussed, and makes me wonder why some people are so vehemently anti-sendmail that they feel the need to say things which are only marginally true if that. My laptop boots quite happily without an Internet connection, so it's simply not true to say that sendmail always calls the Internet during boot. Have a look at /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README, and at /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/doc/op (where you can make the sendmail operations guide in a variety of formats including pdf) and you'll realise that your claim that there's no documentation is also flat-out false. I've got the Bat book (in fact I've got *looks at bookshelf* the 2nd and 3rd editions). I almost never look at them any more because I can find what I need in the documentation provided with sendmail. No-one is asking you to use sendmail, or even to like it, but please don't lie about it; and if you don't want sendmail in the base system, do as several people have suggested, pull your finger out and do the work to fix it. Jonathan (Just in case, I should probably point out explicitly that, as usual, I don't speak for my employer: this is an entirely personal opinion). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 08:44:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71D81065692 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25948FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9U8iboH093224; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:44:37 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:44:36 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Lars Eighner In-Reply-To: <20091029231539.D984C10656EC@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20091030183107.W34366@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20091029231539.D984C10656EC@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:44:59 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 282, Issue 14, Message 14 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:58:54 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > > sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed > > ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job > > Bullshit. :) IYNSHO. > Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who > it is, why can't it look in hosts? See the section: WHO AM I? in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README (assuming you haven't deleted the documentation from your system) > Since it cannot be trusted to send mail, what does it need to know > from the internet? The first clause reflects an opinion you apparently formed many years ago from which you seem determined not to let any contrary indications dissuade you. I certainly trust sendmail to send mail - who to accept mail from is always the far greater issue - though after only 11+ years using FreeBSD, I clearly haven't your depth of experience. > It has been horribly broken for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, What was the last version of sendmail you actually used? Sure 8.8 was a bear to configure against spam back in '98; I almost succumbed to buying the book back then, but always found what I needed here, by searching or at sendmail.org. Since FreeBSD ~4.5 I've done just fine using 'make'. (cd /etc/mail; ee access; make maps) is my usual extent of maintenance. > and this m4 stuff is a pile of crap. Works here :) though I just let 'make' hide all of the gritty stuff. > There is no documentation whatsoever. Re-sup your sources? There's plenty here, and the abovementioned README contains just about everything I've ever needed to configure sendmail. Mail is never going to be any trivial one-conf-fits-all service and requires some study, with at least a slightly open attitude. > Unless you buy a book from O'Reilly and line the pockets of the > "maintainer(s)." Why can't it be a option to configure the system > without it? Not any money in that, is there? Maybe a systems programming background helped, but since ~'02 I've felt no further need to explore the intricacies of sendmail.cf tinkering. Others here affirm that you can indeed configure FreeBSD not to use sendmail, or any mailer, but I've never had a need so can't comment. There's an old folk song you may have come across that pretty well covers the best approach to fixing any such perceived brokenness: http://www.songsforteaching.com/folk/theresaholeinthebucket.htm cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 08:50:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711A9106566B; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3A18FC18; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so1775212pzk.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:50:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=39jrT0S/nsT0000bMcu89gV3pMyQpV/NWFsBggHqcCQ=; b=jH9YoNHEJPEvd/FAxhbrTn9SpONUG4ZDqKu3WJhwL5HLQ0o+dvDS3MNBrJ0jPGlaC/ T/3sK1nk2C39QKOug0kKIuJrMPl3cRSQ+6FoqjEsgjrfOWOUX1VvOf9e4s14uC5IvY3F 8pu2VoJG/rKWJKJzzvLOlGORp5a7tRi+EnNSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=L9UwIP/+unRk2ur/JzJgRz47/docZY3YgfwUqISC+NBjTxqt3sg6QQFE109PUMm5zP pTQsbyPZZyCf6JgMdKo3ouI/FKw56rKZvTZmkhUpHPMoHMv5S96Be1Wa9OppUmUu236N rsBmjriSCDk7gOeNeJiCYsghzOwfxUK/YruWQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.61.37 with SMTP id j37mr128793wfa.35.1256892641891; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:50:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910301018.25483.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <200910301018.25483.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:50:41 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7fd16a451210b8dc Message-ID: From: Randi Harper To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:50:42 -0000 MAKE THE PAIN STOP. Seriously, read back in the friggin' mailing list archives. None of y'all are going to say anything that hasn't been said before. Or don't, and just prove how valuable your time isn't by wasting it arguing about something that everyone else is just rolling their eyes at and ignoring, as they've seen it all before. This bikeshed is old and tired. I don't want to paint it. I want to drown it in lighter fluid and set it on fire. -- randi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 08:58:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D391065679 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:58:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onuraslan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1AC8FC13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bw0-f213.google.com with SMTP id 5so3308062bwz.3 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=J/3igwLU0W39bkjjQs9yLaDUa19uqc3CuNeTkn9vQlM=; b=D93aPkknaWtDaaYNc5NlUswvU4ESUqYUBxkDh3ApROGdsD2Ywopj/gocJBiUxCRj4U NKhJmaCYLGZkZXJZ1rQ5ujYMZkm7OtVC8oDx6qeoeJVMbw96Z9vPFQ7Ur0iaV2pPlaIF jCD3kWlKOzf+tg3uq31oEyshUbcxG1coBj1vQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=JFhHyb6szs55diAZeeGrNbeO8MmdNOpPIrHA96RLe3hQTUEewLSAaPFzCPrk79m99J W+Jp1NXBjwPmnZ7zHAB9VcDq+8n8B8uctHREZbasnh82UxTooHn1O1KH+s1csSg+6Lwv CR7tNcZCeD4oWPzG/QRll5BmO7VBcch3nU6xM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.155.88 with SMTP id r24mr855164bkw.132.1256891267666; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:27:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Onur Aslan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Wireless packet loses X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:58:14 -0000 Hi. I am currently using FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. I have a problem with wireless networks. I am using FreeBSD as an access point with wpa encryption. Almost %30 packets are loses when I ping the ap. It's very painfully to use ssh connection with this ap. Do you have any idea about packet loses? My adapter is Edimax 7128. My ping result from a Linux machine: $ ping 192.168.1.1 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.354 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.309 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.306 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.272 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.293 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=8 ttl=64 time=35.3 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=9 ttl=64 time=0.302 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.270 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=0.304 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=14 ttl=64 time=0.268 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=15 ttl=64 time=0.270 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=0.307 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=18 ttl=64 time=0.310 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.268 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=21 ttl=64 time=0.469 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=22 ttl=64 time=0.303 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=23 ttl=64 time=0.269 ms ^C --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- 23 packets transmitted, 17 received, 26% packet loss, time 21999ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.268/2.364/35.324/8.240 ms Other informations about this machine: # uname -a FreeBSD onur-bsd 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 # ifconfig ral0 list caps ral0=2181e500 # ifconfig ral0 ral0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 2290 ether 00:0e:2e:ff:6b:e4 inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect mode 11g status: associated ssid ONURNET channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11g) bssid 00:0e:2e:ff:6b:e4 authmode WPA privacy MIXED deftxkey 2 TKIP 2:128-bit TKIP 3:128-bit txpower 50 scanvalid 60 bgscan bgscanintvl 300 bgscanidle 250 roam:rssi11g 7 roam:rate11g 5 protmode CTS dtimperiod 1 # cat /etc/hostapd.conf interface=ral0 debug=1 ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd ctrl_interface_group=wheel ssid=ONURNET wpa=1 wpa_passphrase=mypassword wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=CCMP TKIP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 09:08:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E2A1065679 for ; 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b=2todWjAhkFg8gJ5arh/DPGlZyhhL1BtGI3PzMbmIJI0SSz9D8nHMTJiNhbUvHR1pK UFEY6QQhqcwqeBacf3gcI+F/5aTuEFd9XN6v5La4KeTnBj9AeU76zzFy4IiN9c2jVa AgbM2GOnH0bsi+ZNsOAErTpBtNkFSBzKiXFJH73I= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AEAAD1A.30409@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:08:42 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Monty Pyth References: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <281911.17527.qm@web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDAA21056B94A29DC6FD6C5B0" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: APACHE/PHP/MYSQL Password Hash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:08:55 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDAA21056B94A29DC6FD6C5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Monty Pyth wrote: > I have inherited a website to work on that users authenticate to > using a login and password from a login page. The server is FreeBSD > 6.2 running APACHE/PHP/MYSQL. There is a MYSQL table that maintains > all of the users. The table has a users name and password. The > password is hashed and some examples are: >=20 > 02SvtVJnRLzuQ > 42jhVP6kxUBX6 >=20 > Can anyone tell me what file I would look at to see what hash > algorithm is being used to store the passwords in the table? Any help > would be great. If this is using Apache basic auth (mod_authn_dbd) then the passwords will be stored using the old-style DES password hash. If the passwords are managed from PHP, then it is anyone's guess as to how they are stored. The samples do provided look like old-style DES password hashes, but it's= not possible to be certain that's what they are just by looking at them. See crypt(3) for the OS interface for generating password hashes. There is an equivalent PHP function: http://uk.php.net/manual/en/function.crypt.php or you can play with perl to learn how it works: % perl -le 'print crypt("password", "aa");'=20 aajfMKNH1hTm2 The 2nd argument is the salt, a randomly generated value used to ensure that the same password encrypts to different hashes if used in different accounts. It's the same basic API that is used in the system password file, but nowadays the salt is 6 characters rather than two, and there is a choice of hashing function -- this uses MD5: % perl -le 'print crypt("password", q{$1$aaaaaa$});' $1$aaaaaa$FuYJ957Lgsw.eVsENqOok1 Cheers, Matthew PS. 42jhVP6kxUBX6 is a Googlewhack, or it was until I sent this message. However one way of quickly decoding a password has is just to Google for the crypt text -- no guarantees but surprisingly often you'll find the answer for the old style DES hashes... --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigDAA21056B94A29DC6FD6C5B0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrqrSAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwi7ACfW8AWqayfM73Z9qWDg6p4fkrG zocAn1/c+wPw3VFYrBOFqe5tR1YXa+oq =R5Sm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDAA21056B94A29DC6FD6C5B0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 09:19:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D806106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from a.spinella@rfc1925.net) Received: from joy.rfc1925.net (static-217-133-230-42.clienti.tiscali.it [217.133.230.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128698FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by joy.rfc1925.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68801125419 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:01:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc1925.net Received: from joy.rfc1925.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (joy.rfc1925.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IMFM4zRL9ywj for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:00:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from zeta (unknown [194.246.127.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: a.spinella@rfc1925.net) by joy.rfc1925.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA43812543A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:59:46 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:59:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: $witch Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.00 (FreeBSD) Subject: IPv6-only host and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:51 -0000 Hi, have done a "best effort" to avoid useless question, am posting after various faq-research and tests. having an IPv6-ONLY (FreeBSD 7.0) host that needs to perform a "portsnap fetch" there is NO LIST of portsnap-IPv6-capable servers. maybe they don't exists or i am "too blind" to find them; is there anybody that can post hostnames or links to souch kind of servers? obviously i can "workaround" using an IPv4-&-IPv6 intermediate-host, but the goal is a "pure" IPv6 FreeBSD farm. regards Alessandro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 10:52:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BCF106568B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF088FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id F0E1116B6C2; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:52:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.99]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F07B16B634; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:52:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:42:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:42:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20091030183107.W34366@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: <20091030054218.T3638@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <20091029231539.D984C10656EC@hub.freebsd.org> <20091030183107.W34366@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:52:20 -0000 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Ian Smith wrote: > > Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? If it needs to know who > > it is, why can't it look in hosts? > > See the section: WHO AM I? in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README > (assuming you haven't deleted the documentation from your system) Or did not install the src. WHO AM I? doesn't answer the question of how to turn off calling up the internet on every boot. But let's see how far we can get in the README divert(0) Evidently doesn't really matter. VERSIONID(`') Evidently doesn't really matter. OSTYPE(`hpux9')dnl You must specify an OSTYPE to properly configure things such as the pathname of the help and status files, the flags needed for the local mailer, and other important things. If you omit it, you will get an error when you try to build the configuration. Look at the ostype directory for the list of known operating system types. Okay, let's look in ostype directory: freebsd4, freebsd5, freebsd6. But wait! on freshly cvsupped source for 7.2-p4, freebsd7 is not a recognized ostype according to the ostype directory. It says the configuration won't build without. No point in going on from here if my ostype doesn't exist. And it looks like if I could get past here, I'd be back editing the source every time I upgraded the system because for some reason, after all these years, there cannot be a plain English configuration file in /etc such every other service has managed to come up with. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 11:03:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672B11065692 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [66.246.138.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF8A8FC17 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unknown (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 212EA8331; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:02:33 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Freminlins Message-ID: <20091030110233.000027f8@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2cvs15 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:03:08 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +0000 Freminlins wrote: > Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read > it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This > whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically > certain options specified in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it > knows best. But it doesn't, cos it's broken. Xkblayout doesn't work because you need to use fdi files now. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948154 has some details - essentially you need to put some XML in /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that tells it what layout to use. It's rather frustrating that information is scattered in forums - I couldn't see any official-looking articles on configuring it. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 04:50:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182ED106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaflatooni@yahoo.com) Received: from web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A28B48FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 59389 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2009 04:50:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256878206; bh=B2D2SlawhFRVT0DFwygdZ1Mkt2u2sDsMGu9L6Cxcq0E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FYehA/iFxQw3FUTxvbevdSjF76NgcEPY7zDKTzvZ3DJwQO8OGvPri1BWl9d4sdx4C8X1Q6eyy8Z9WRJSzZTai53ys7Ix2MTiQYka6L7Mv9pVjgaG6JMl/H8sAVYGK5n/EJfOMTjJNptgRMxMJN3Rft2RkN61L07jVVdRhdGbOo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lHfq5BhwRiNkiR8+kmyvtn6Yt7EKMSg4Hv7Yn8k5ZCYKz0ozRvfR+TRxty3hSTAB9q39+zn0eFGQNbWfr3he6w3SJuGtVikh4G48vBBrMccxOTW4KydQpiGDXBylRHsGYz0bJho1eIrd+4AyBU3j2Gpp/q99Q2iiHDC5nNKsemg=; Message-ID: <148565.58717.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: O8ymREMVM1mPjD3izYc3.Vfj3Axh4hEAGRqZw4i_GaW42fBmmhjrQeA7Pea2bW.mONGFrWqAnZLP4xoFwJkJmyJZ7gn3dePH36ttDObUrR.6nKwypvr9NHqmVsVIKK2epsbDeCoKX6oDrd.gROwyQkja1yB3BToeG53myI9X6zZLqeUnpjpGtezj1yMK4aD2PaN4yY.8OSYcM9UZo3r5FvYE9wNzVxW9VYhLt38t7.700yEjxyDpXMHWTkdpmyyf0pZJ9SwA4g-- Received: from [67.204.12.34] by web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Aflatoon Aflatooni To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:34:40 +0000 Subject: Sendmail SMTP server outgoing email rate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:50:07 -0000 Hi, Is there a way that I could configure sendmail so that I could control the rate of outgoing emails? For example if there are 2 outbound emails destined for Yahoo.com server then they would be sent one connection at a time so that it is not flooding their server. Also, is there a limit on the incoming connection for sendmail? Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 12:05:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A984D106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (tunnel490.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:10:1ea::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB5C8FC13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9UC5RwQ028389; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:05:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n9UC5Qve028388; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:05:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:05:26 +0100 From: Ruben de Groot To: Aflatoon Aflatooni Message-ID: <20091030120526.GA27566@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Aflatoon Aflatooni , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <148565.58717.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <148565.58717.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:05:30 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail SMTP server outgoing email rate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:05:31 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 09:50:06PM -0700, Aflatoon Aflatooni typed: > Hi, > Is there a way that I could configure sendmail so that I could control the rate of outgoing emails? > For example if there are 2 outbound emails destined for Yahoo.com server then they would be sent one connection at a time so that it is not flooding their server. > > Also, is there a limit on the incoming connection for sendmail? For incoming connections you are looking at the ratecontrol and conncontrol features, see /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README. For outgoing, I don't know. Why would you want to be so nice to the Yahoo.com server ;) They should rate-limit their server if they have a problem (and I bet they do this). There is a SINGLE_THREAD_DELIVERY option, but that's probably not what you want. cheers, Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 12:08:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF00106568B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AAC8FC17 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4494279.home.otenet.gr [94.71.95.207]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9UC8E4T017380; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:08:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4AEAD72E.3030304@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:08:14 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Cran References: <20091030110233.000027f8@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20091030110233.000027f8@unknown> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , Freminlins , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:08:19 -0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:15:08 +0000 > Freminlins wrote: > > >> Yeah, thanks for that. I knew about that file, but don't often read >> it. There's even more to the saga - Xkblayout doesn't work. This >> whole HAL thing stinks horribly. IF X is built with HAL basically >> certain options specified in xorg.conf no longer work. HAL thinks it >> knows best. But it doesn't, cos it's broken. >> > > Xkblayout doesn't work because you need to use fdi files now. > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948154 > has some details - essentially you need to put some XML > in /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/ that tells it what layout to use. > It's rather frustrating that information is scattered in forums - I > couldn't see any official-looking articles on configuring it. > > You were not looking in the right place then: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 12:44:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5414E106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patfbsd@davenulle.org) Received: from smtp.lamaiziere.net (net.lamaiziere.net [91.121.44.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183B38FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (75.6.192-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.192.6.75]) by smtp.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 84F26633325 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:44:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby-jane.lamaiziere.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1831E98 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:44:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:44:34 +0100 From: Patrick Lamaiziere To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091030134434.458e7d86@baby-jane.lamaiziere.net> In-Reply-To: <1d7089c40910141855q3a9361f2x552ac3d8edf741c7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d7089c40910141855q3a9361f2x552ac3d8edf741c7@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FBSD 7.2, on a CQ60-419WM Presario, about headphones X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:40 -0000 Le Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:55:23 -0400, Henry Olyer a =E9crit : Hello, > How do I get to use the headphones? > The speaker works but continues to play when I plug in headphones. If it's not a secret, which sound card and driver? I don't know for the rest. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 13:04:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9886A106568D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421038FC1C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr (unknown [10.1.0.143]) by poseidon.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47877EB473E; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FF645152; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:16 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ceid.upatras.gr Received: from mail.ceid.upatras.gr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (europa.ceid.upatras.gr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcj-RcMEXcdn; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (adsl26-237.kln.forthnet.gr [77.49.153.237]) by mail.ceid.upatras.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0949450C6; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9UD4EAj063458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9UD4DQT063437; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Aflatoon Aflatooni References: <148565.58717.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:04:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <148565.58717.qm@web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com> (Aflatoon Aflatooni's message of "Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87ocnpm3si.fsf@kobe.laptop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail SMTP server outgoing email rate X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:17 -0000 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:06 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: > Hi, > Is there a way that I could configure sendmail so that I could control > the rate of outgoing emails? > > For example if there are 2 outbound emails destined for Yahoo.com > server then they would be sent one connection at a time so that it is > not flooding their server. > > Also, is there a limit on the incoming connection for sendmail? Yes, there is a limit for the incoming connections. See the description of "confCONNECTION_RATE_THROTTLE" and "confCONNECTION_RATE_WINDOW_SIZE" in "/usr/share/sendmail/cf/README". For outgoing connections Sendmail only supports throttling based on the load average of the system, at least AFAIK. So you will probably have to use some sort of connection rate-limiting in your firewall if you want to limit the number of outgoing connections. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 13:15:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DA4106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@farmington.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (bonnie.farmington.k12.mo.us [204.184.20.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0938FC13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B60B9860E6 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:00:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from TECHLINUX (unknown [10.4.60.80]) by mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589B39860E4 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:00:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "David Patton" To: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:59:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcpZYN6A/Uxz2pgXROSKqfP+wN0nbw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: issues with email migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:33 -0000 This morning I moved the contents from the server over to an NFS share. This is a freebsd 6.2 server running postfix, courier-imap and squirrelmail. I used rsync to move the data for /www and /mail over to the nfs share. After I made the changed to fstab and rebooted, every thing came up and email seemed to be faster but in fact it wasn't. Once I realized that there was an issue, I changed the link back for the /www directory to the original location and left the link for /mail pointing to the nfs share. I found from a search to try newaliaies and the restart postfix but that didn't work. Maillog: Oct 30 06:11:38 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1337]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: process /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 1337 exit status 1 Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup - throttling Message: Oct 30 06:00:27 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1177]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:01:28 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1184]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:02:29 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1192]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:03:30 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1218]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:04:31 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1235]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:05:32 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1256]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:06:33 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1270]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:07:34 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1296]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Oct 30 06:08:35 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1307]: fatal: shared-lock database /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported Any thoughts on the subject? Thanks in advance. David Patton Technology Department Farmington R7 School District From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 13:52:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0842106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@shute.org.uk) Received: from atmail-8.bnguk.net (atmail-8.bnguk.net [80.74.253.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849F58FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.54.144] helo=orange.esperance-linux.co.uk) by atmail-8.bnguk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3rtq-0007VY-K4; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:20 +0000 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 166E24AC1B; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:18 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20091030135218.GA52588@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20091028214842.GA68070@thought.org> <20091028230237.6bc97ffd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20091028230801.GC68365@thought.org> <20091029040056.GA69298@thought.org> <35f70db10910290509v112e9f41y8d3228d7af6a1358@mail.gmail.com> <20091029203126.GA72499@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091029203126.GA72499@thought.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: breakthru, maybe.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:23 -0000 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 01:31:26PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > [snip] > > And for my next trick: I'm ordering a UPS. It is only for the > DNS server and firefall (pfSense). I'll either refurb the > current computer or buy a newer 32-bit for the firewall. I'd > like suggestions on which UPS to buy. Figuring the Dell Duo > and a standard Intel box, would 250w be a good enough SWAG? > > gary You've got a choice of buying a "thick" UPS or a "smart" UPS. The "smart" UPS has a cable running from a USB port and it signals the computer (running a UPS daemon) to power down after a certain period of time or after the charge in the UPS has got to some user set percentage. The "thick" UPS doesn't have the cable and just runs your hardware until the battery is flat or the power returns, whichever comes first. As you will have guessed, the "smart" UPSes are more expensive than the "thick" ones and they also tend to be beefier. Obviously the "smart" ones are more featureful but you know what your budget is. I've got an APC Smart 750VA which powers my server, router and workstation. I've also got a trailing lead plugged into it. This I use to plug in miscellaneous electrical gadgets and protect them from surges. Current load: 37% of full capacity. I run apcupsd from ports and it seems to work well. So my recommendation is to get something like mine (if you can afford it) and you can plug in other stuff and still have a reasonably long runtime. PS. They have lead acid batteries and it's best not to flatten them. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 14:00:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F3106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6E78FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so3624512bwz.3 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rG5Uqt5iOYSTsKWryBTDohLHCxMB0bETuNHcJOd8Da0=; b=gyRhnrSWHzbEEHy424z/Uh28lodQrCiHmb+SzJdn+Vco6rQOu60Pavmm/ICMJrAi7F S0v9r/VeyIiifD/q5Fc/86BTaEUJgWJRs6DIkr/BaVBaWUoTeG3phW2DZsGThBALwS5U 6DQ41ulEp5iZF1gDhgE5rhDOOCFGPpiXa4o/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DgtVh5zsyWeJU92sGwcTSG8Lnjo6JnRKRiornQvx9v54rVFzFh/PJsFy0+0GgmB/yH wuFMoxkR5HQUXHNvZBXqQ8IWhdN1Y9nJTTtHdGo24IlPQIZrYWbDEzxrcJKLZUXq5E44 AZ7IKlxWrDEOSNeW0hXuJ0eKJEb/IUENNbMaI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr1102177bkw.80.1256909713781; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> References: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: From: usleepless@gmail.com To: David Patton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues with email migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:00:48 -0000 Hi David, On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Patton wrote: > This morning I moved the contents from the server over to an NFS share. > > > > This is a freebsd 6.2 server running postfix, courier-imap and > squirrelmail. > I used rsync to move the data for /www and /mail over to the nfs share. > After I made the changed to fstab and rebooted, every thing came up and > email seemed to be faster but in fact it wasn't. Once I realized that there > was an issue, I changed the link back for the /www directory to the > original > location and left the link for /mail pointing to the nfs share. I found > from > a search to try newaliaies and the restart postfix but that didn't work. > > > > Maillog: > > Oct 30 06:11:38 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1337]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: process > /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 1337 exit status 1 > > Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: > /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup - throttling > > > > Message: > > Oct 30 06:00:27 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1177]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:01:28 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1184]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:02:29 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1192]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:03:30 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1218]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:04:31 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1235]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:05:32 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1256]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:06:33 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1270]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:07:34 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1296]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > > Oct 30 06:08:35 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1307]: fatal: shared-lock database > /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported > although i am certainly not an expert regarding email issues nor NFS, but could it be that the NFS server needs to support "lockd" and "statd" ? i have this in my /etc/rc.conf: rpc_lockd_enable="YES" rpc_statd_enable="YES" kind regards, usleep From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 14:25:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A401065676 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mx1.esiee.fr (mx1.esiee.fr [147.215.1.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8988FC16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBB013684F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:08:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from secure.esiee.fr (secure [147.215.1.19]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4DF105441A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:08:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from lisa.esiee.fr (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bonnetf) by secure.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B9CBE7EEA for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:08:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEAF362.3080304@esiee.fr> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:08:34 +0100 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NIS users can't login with FTPD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:25:56 -0000 Hello I've installed a nes machine ( 7.2 / 64 bits ) which runs like a charm EXCEPT for the FTP service for NIS users ... Local users ( which are present in /etc/passwd file ) have no problem BUT NIS users cannot log in when using telnet NIS users have no problem to log in ... Thank for any help the /etc/pam.d/ftpd looks like the following # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/ftpd,v 1.19.8.1 2009/04/15 03:14:26 kensmith # # PAM configuration for the "ftpd" service # # auth auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass # account account required pam_nologin.so #account required pam_krb5.so account required pam_unix.so # session session required pam_permit.so mail# From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 14:44:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D621065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neshort@yahoo.com) Received: from web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A33F8FC26 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 88569 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2009 14:44:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256913846; bh=TqvrVi7ZF5H0b+aozGNHHvefU+yNLerszhPNInzYCas=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0n634QPoV7zS2FyBo2RoeZEQ06iDjsu9PSjK54WoGwF267D1Rtr9H6jnlI6cUnq+JxsKguvb4Bv/7jYuiVyMD2OG46Dbmed1UC1AYjNw6iE4b3L1zaWtzFl4Ahph3D6Q2tjRe4T5557J2LJ4oF7WbMOsPwXJlTEWM82eZRcilXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Iltk3SevBKnCWq5Wd3PJBAHy6YonGMtLeahVS+qAKGZvJYO01IIGMfByUVnquWgtmUDwpVPy6iJJWbZeqji8TWowuz2x2dZC6oqvrOgBK/ACm2YH/hXXz+Vaenlts6GBnnzBg4YNEAdEJO+jFQzX8jFY9/MYjSFujzVD6W8Brqc=; Message-ID: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3dP2R34VM1kRokahvv_qZYRuIjwXftvEbO.6xMvgNAL353JzRfn.iDLAZStSv7g43YRXyv_PJy4SnWeWvn9HxyEtKaAJXUiXmUnxJb28ZekfksJaY3WKMG09g96lwfKxS_6I0MNyEhYFnWEf78N1to1YFxCHQeAU2p7oINuBtQVlRiYmFjN7e3gZ84pw2GCFTDKxxaboFg5i7Wz53Muvk4cK5pVQO38JkIi9abqaDMfXZRUNxvmhEKxzj5Q_7UwvRASan.dYO_WbUmsmNbP4NjJPW0yWwmzDkm205wv0RhDetXZnmV4xAr6aCwu.PbGhYPI6rUu_WL.ncYloDVgLqNEmCqI4ptCyS8WbEoZdFY6Bm7SuCJsXq30fVnE5XsAZhqGIcZONMu0Sby1GOQok6hmZj.EOnnsAqxsRpEMKo4PXX794vojz20zvPMUFMdedQPGB9UBV3FMI1g1qUczyS4pBaQdQZLQSjdJ4wTBXEMBrR.i4UanxI59sI8l9FPhdIrfoTn97yu.UV_dXA2k- Received: from [173.84.5.162] by web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:44:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Short To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20091029231539.65B9C10656D3@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:44:07 -0000 > --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 16:55:58 -0500 Freminlins=20 > > wrote: > > > > I know this isn't specifically a FreeBSD problem, HAL > being needed by X. But > > the flipping installer should enable it when I > selected X flipping User from > > the install options. > > > > My little upgrade has now turned from a bit of fun > into a saga that I don't > > want to go through again. > > > > I had to get this off my chest. It was, as they say, > doing my head in. > > >=20 > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so > frustrated, but I run into=20 > these sorts of problems myself from time to time.=A0 > It's usually because I=20 > didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in > this case might have=20 > warned you. >=20 > 20090123: > =A0 AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server > =A0 AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org > .... I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted and us= ed the solution suggested - which did not work for me. It sounds like there= is some special extra installation required - and I have not found the det= ails on it. This is a very old problem. I worked on this problem until I go= t frustrated and installed Linux. I hate it and look forward to this proble= m in FBSD being fixed so I can go back. USB stuff - and ethernet divices don't work worth squat in Linux.=0A=0A=0A = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 15:11:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0BE106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D739D8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1928189pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=mOLWDwob+Ch3DRY+X4OrjF63P/jwvR0hiK/ayXuBUeE=; b=WhyRmW3rsUnCoJVLKiXbWlNR42lDv834pe3JCJmVPx2BOAppfn37hwK/MFqqqPzg9M fvTcXCDfjuMLJqitHBDfHF2AKNOVC4n72NWg0654XfAQtnpZ6AG0Q3N06qcpopEpiRRk USzeNZM9JMPnjLLH3rfLaTdKhu8UVblpUPYmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=o6e6wIFrc+8hUMQ4fIjoAa9cWQmM1kNydgTO6s3OCtT6jzv50KmC9b3eHQEBX67L/L Vwsuc0HNIrpdxEpsRWMvdJzpG3589W5x0ciQWxTpWpgu4XUUJfn1+WotSn4G8uiVcacH 9kgjPbI5VsCpK6Z2Lv+i+l0K1zH0Hk7YkoMpA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.21.37 with SMTP id y37mr154694wfi.215.1256915517447; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20091029231539.65B9C10656D3@hub.freebsd.org> <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910300811j52e65d45idb34c3be437c59d3@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Neil Short Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:11:58 -0000 > > > Far be it from me to pile on when you're already so > > frustrated, but I run into > > these sorts of problems myself from time to time. > > It's usually because I > > didn't bother to read /usr/ports/UPDATING first, which in > > this case might have > > warned you. > > > > 20090123: > > AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server > > AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org > > .... > > I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted and > used the solution suggested - which did not work for me. It sounds like > there is some special extra installation required - and I have not found the > details on it. This is a very old problem. I worked on this problem until I > got frustrated and installed Linux. I hate it and look forward to this > problem in FBSD being fixed so I can go back. > > USB stuff - and ethernet divices don't work worth squat in Linux. > Well that particular entry isn't necessary as noted by the next one in UPDATING. Is it possible your doing it wrong? It's worked for me on many different installations and hardware platforms. All I see on this thread is griping with no error logs or configuration files. It's almost like the complainers don't want their issues addressed so they can keep on keeping on. I see various complaints about HAL using too much memory. Exactly how is that determined? I hope top wasn't used to make that evaluation. Is xorg documentation fragmented? Sure, I hear you. That's why I use this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-install.html dual-screens either twin-view or http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 Since switching to HAL, I have never had an issue with mouse or keyboard. Prior to HAL, setup was more of an issue and stable once configured. Now setup is no issue, and it's stable. Seems like a positive move. Only issue I experienced was migrating from xorg non-HAL to xorg HAL. Once I got my head around the fact that this is easier, it was no longer an issue. Provide xorg-server is current, I've yet to see that fail. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 15:19:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68404106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2092B8FC25 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9UFJTtv049707; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9UFJTrJ049704; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Neil Short In-Reply-To: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-902635197-1431835549-1256915524=:49648" Content-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:19:30 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---902635197-1431835549-1256915524=:49648 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009, Neil Short wrote: >> >> 20090123: >> AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server >> AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org >> .... > > I hate to say this; but I carefully read the UPDATING log you quoted > and used the solution suggested - which did not work for me. It was a temporary solution to a short-term bug. The very next entry: 20090124: AFFECTS: users of x11-servers/xorg-server, sysutils/hal AUTHOR: rnoland@FreeBSD.org sysutils/hal has been updated and should now properly detect mice for in X.org. Use of AllowEmptyInput should no longer be needed for most users and moused should now work fine. Like the forum entries with the obsolete information on installing Flash, it keeps coming back. > It sounds like there is some special extra installation required - and > I have not found the details on it. The Handbook entry on X configuration is mostly complete and correct: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x-config.html -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ---902635197-1431835549-1256915524=:49648-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 15:34:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75163106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:34:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) Received: from ns1.jnielsen.net (ns1.jnielsen.net [69.55.238.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0468FC1A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jnielsen.socialserve.com (office.socialserve.com [208.60.89.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.jnielsen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9UFYdps081959; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:34:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@jnielsen.net) From: John Nielsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:34:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <6B0BC25C3907417B8B994665E23677BA@ois.lt> In-Reply-To: <6B0BC25C3907417B8B994665E23677BA@ois.lt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910301134.34071.lists@jnielsen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on ns1.jnielsen.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Vadim Maksimenko Subject: Re: Failure to do netinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:34:41 -0000 On Friday 30 October 2009 03:12:29 Vadim Maksimenko wrote: > I have faced an unpleasant fact that your netinstall ability of 7.2 > RELEASE and 8.0-RC2 are dead. My network card is being identified and > initialized properly (an old 3com980), it gets DHCP setup (IP, gateway, DNS > info is ok), but... That's all that is done properly. When I try to select > any flavor of network install, it crashes with a message like "Cannot > connect bla bla bla: the connect is in wrong state." I just did a network installation of 8.0-RC2 yesterday (albeit from an 8.0-RC1 bootonly CD) so I'm fairly certain it's not totally broken. Since you apparently got a valid DHCP lease on your NIC it's probably not the card or the driver that's broken either > What should I do now if I want to install FreeBSD via network and have > no option of changing the hardware? We need to figure out what _is_ wrong. Can you provide more details of the exact steps you took during the setup? Do you have the exact error message? Guessing wildly, it's entirely possible that sysinstall got confused at some point. Did you have to repeat the network configuration or FTP server selection? Did you try repeating the installation after a reboot? JN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 15:58:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03389106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE088FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so271431eyd.9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YgiHc3bsYsjz5EKrphH3yUUJSFG9E2Ipi6bD7WLiMfQ=; b=uIsxB1VEf7gRoWTmzwdsqS+V3+3gjy0UIpF6IhQ/LbaKDwgXKCK1ROkWTIvGkl3NO+ 2mQOdZBlGuuJziNBs6Vg+myg45tHRnlHySDx8s4+dCG93tcWfVDyXycZXtZVnZeDxvYs T5uGhiR9YE6S8qAkDEJ0USrEg3VdS0/slhwQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=nhpWO1PwbhhIlYixIHGSH/40ZpRDOQvrBcvf+vvmnnk90MUPf5E+hp1q9JDR3+QdPp tzN6P9PDP571PkD2Pmf8oBMnoLYBrcexFlhdvAh5/G6E29mqpARFl71WBsNC1QehlelE OivI8/9EbK1HzUBkFDuilk872/NthbLHFncxo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.188.3 with SMTP id q3mr583936ebp.69.1256918304496; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:58:24 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:58:26 -0000 I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm ignoring anyone because I haven't responded directly. I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and started up the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine. My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf file, rather than in the new-fangled xml way of doing things or adding setxkbmap to my xinitrc file. I am also 18MB of RAM better off. Specifically for Adam, who asks a rhetorical question about HAL, memory usage and top. The answer for me is 18MB too much. My advice to anyone who has problems with X and HAL - rebuild xorg-server without HAL (it doesn't take long), then start from that base. I have to say this HAL way of doing things is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Sure X can be a bit horrible to configure, but HAL itself is ugly, resource hungry and doesn't work 100%. It seems to be an example of supposedly making things easier, except when it doesn't work. Life is a calm blue ocean once again. MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:04:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8A106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4ADF8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1958217pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OT3qhNj3Oyix++UEk2W/0nQxfdwkmgxsPprLplAa2sk=; b=Ijgq/EfdTpqeIgqKIZ9C/3PvK6Zb05RF7N/RZL6jealXxrg9ka4QNlxmEp9THJUFwI O9DiuAx5L0JS0TvJfOjV2IuEdeAFjD0rS1UgTX5TbTon1oo0wONKyK8fgO5e/6dWkl1+ FlC0MyRi3jgFHZy13BtovbS3DfZGUeQsWlKi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Xv+JfgCXxT9sH/kuD+7/0YUUqCZZwdfLYqFGyUEUAE8iAEJ/D3juTwEPSkFLwnWUvV Od0WFkBfPyxgcCa9HZpf/GVSIjvs84n5SpzV4SQEsirNYDG38oJcCNM++IX8wHycHPsH /15YOQDURCplYEd/hDdLvfw23fBEeJvuepbm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.75.16 with SMTP id x16mr175600wfa.155.1256918658326; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:04:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:04:18 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:04:19 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins wrote: > I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm ignoring > anyone because I haven't responded directly. > > I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and started up > the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine. > > My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf file, rather than > in the new-fangled xml way of doing things or adding setxkbmap to my > xinitrc > file. I am also 18MB of RAM better off. Specifically for Adam, who asks a > rhetorical question about HAL, memory usage and top. The answer for me is > 18MB too much. > No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL has shared library's just like many other applications. > > My advice to anyone who has problems with X and HAL - rebuild xorg-server > without HAL (it doesn't take long), then start from that base. > > I have to say this HAL way of doing things is using a sledgehammer to crack > a nut. Sure X can be a bit horrible to configure, but HAL itself is ugly, > resource hungry and doesn't work 100%. It seems to be an example of > supposedly making things easier, except when it doesn't work. > This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to RTFM. > > Life is a calm blue ocean once again. > > MF. > > -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:15:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54D106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gesbbb@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DC098FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21976 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 16:15:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To:Organization:X-Mailer:Face:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OZusx/SnqnIskxGRAn1Ye0nNmDol8tI9SCDR8nWZuxTvdU+lEo7Dce+29GGbSxIWZeuYHY2F+jCyOIPtIKpLqzVoCU5Ep8gcW0RCgG3R5LNd25+5nnfDTf4cq+dNtbZkS1ISHa8uBCG1tK9tQ5/Pc7z63Jm2bVM3+jxSVGPm8Fs= ; Received: from c-67-189-183-172.hsd1.ny.comcast.net (gesbbb@67.189.183.172 with login) by smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 09:15:02 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: yeAAMgKswBATCul4lSbCWspvTA-- X-YMail-OSG: hZsrRxUVM1kB3FLWo_W_Zm52_1M4f5xcK5Jk_SmBis02yRijXWMp2BWsTNCu.WyJlIwPeerCCJVjArsJeGO07fIwB2zF23oVhqIRNJ7Y_vuimMSVwuEUobKvuE4PEzBeAGtRXu9Iw02wTAodd3Sa5Po_PZK4ZIXOhKR3V4i0nrsGBMJmceGZpDaCxeVaUdEiGGuDbb32BeNhe.JpRWhCnRA70htnl.OfFp5HAp2OCSGz2RrB7szVIHxbswcajSD1ofr2YS6K0nQYuJ8ObxIS6CuQn7rS8IPMEJWMwE.GCm4p0UciaTQBC0j9nS9PzaZpcmW9FJFI07ajSM.mQ2fNVMy7nnzZxfCowsibUaW6rq1ENUarb81ORYVyCnlJMTeNOkpxCw43up8nEFoEqschgsspmV562oKyTbwdnMOMsX4ESrDquxcV9FMr_w4MHKTlAo6GzEY9ELHT3uMfXMSwrcdu6dXmE3pQ9Zc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (scorpio.seibercom.net [192.168.1.103]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gesbbb@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 00169228A9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:15:01 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091030121501.6f1f4b1d@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i386-portbld-freebsd7.2) Face: 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 X-Face: "\j?x](l|]4p?-1Bf@!wN<&p=$.}^k-HgL}cJKbQZ3r#Ar]\%U(#6}'?<3s7%(%(gxJxxcR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:15:03 -0000 On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:04:18 -0500 Adam Vande More replied: >On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Freminlins >wrote: > >> I've read the responses and comments here, so don't think I'm >> ignoring anyone because I haven't responded directly. >> >> I rebuilt xorg-server without HAL. I killed hal stone dead and >> started up the new (i.e. old-skool) xorg. It all works fine. >> >> My mouse and keyboard work as specified in the xorg.conf file, >> rather than in the new-fangled xml way of doing things or adding >> setxkbmap to my xinitrc >> file. I am also 18MB of RAM better off. Specifically for Adam, who >> asks a rhetorical question about HAL, memory usage and top. The >> answer for me is 18MB too much. >> > >No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. >HAL has shared library's just like many other applications. >> >> My advice to anyone who has problems with X and HAL - rebuild >> xorg-server without HAL (it doesn't take long), then start from >> that base. >> >> I have to say this HAL way of doing things is using a sledgehammer >> to crack a nut. Sure X can be a bit horrible to configure, but HAL >> itself is ugly, resource hungry and doesn't work 100%. It seems to >> be an example of supposedly making things easier, except when it >> doesn't work. > >This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to >RTFM. Once you have to start reading a manual to create a configuration to get basic keyboard to work, things are getting seriously out of hand. A common user should not be required to have a working knowledge of XHTML and obscure directives in order to get a piece of equipment working. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com |::::======= |::::======= |=========== |=========== | If you cannot in the long run tell everyone what you have been doing, your doing was worthless. Edwin Schrodinger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:30:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3381065693 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFBA8FC17 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so1972623pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OKIjHDZI+ZjMq59s+roxq3or3X1Yvuzi+OQVwvY5CNA=; b=PBMOz+iCFZ7LXPMbS1kRBo0+bJollkvH5McQ2G0gwu5MzZVvs4+nUqNY83VUeLyPiv 02iUufor1djGjBcq1zffDda43Z49YXH7gvn3sA+geKruxm80Vsldi5gAOIVXr8+/u8kc jGdP80VV99i/Loe8hbONWMq/eTd42plzYhkrk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=VBQzW4hOUIrrw2vxy3P8hiVYPjt25j5FI6vUTkWxyBBGYRNjHfsej/BYqQnDVtX58m 6OFZTijVfo71mkpyk0DgOtS57r0yEzv04b/5FKhASf1A5bNGUT4UGoxAEOV5XkW/RPyw RLWh93R0U4vbx1ehoEv5xyDIZovINmRrfP9o0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.37 with SMTP id 37mr177664wfi.116.1256920240560; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091030121501.6f1f4b1d@scorpio.seibercom.net> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <20091030121501.6f1f4b1d@scorpio.seibercom.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910300930n70b30917r9667f3021ede85fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:41 -0000 > > > Once you have to start reading a manual to create a configuration to > get basic keyboard to work, things are getting seriously out of hand. > > A common user should not be required to have a working knowledge of > XHTML and obscure directives in order to get a piece of equipment > working. > > What is the model number of basic keyboard? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 16:35:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596381065676 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=547206e79=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2652B8FC16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,654,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="20912794" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-001.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 11:06:29 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1E794EF5E for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:06:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:06:29 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9B16885E83CBFACDCB477AC5@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910300811j52e65d45idb34c3be437c59d3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091029231539.65B9C10656D3@hub.freebsd.org> <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300811j52e65d45idb34c3be437c59d3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 -0000 --On Friday, October 30, 2009 10:11:57 -0500 Adam Vande More wrote: > > Well that particular entry isn't necessary as noted by the next one in > UPDATING. I suppose I should have highlighted this portion of the entry - Server 1.5.3 also really wants to configure its input devices via hald. - which goes directly to the issue the OP wrote about - namely that he was caught by surprise by the fact that hald is now used for configuring devices and his old xorg.conf file would no longer work as expected. That really was my point. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 17:35:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64DD106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:35:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D08FC1B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so290016ewy.37 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cy/bDjIQiyCprAfKl2JrDCw477gbiDp35wXy3tlQpq8=; b=IY8bOQBKexLvK/jlUami76t26qRGRoOlQKwX9f9dj0WcneYq6kT4NjcPiZB2nE3sug yp21l4RupxR/xcQ7l1a764C9b+dh7a+FnexHA/Zrp4n1qE1OEEo8XAkyVRfraCkDqx1/ W+/8KO42J7K61E105GO8v+a9aapMY396brARA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xB3TsuHqIiA0JW0tL3+PtJOcrwFOkvnIkp5qjU808tPluYhrU4rGP1xRWwhcUxi8kT GruiWOOYyBwnUXtFAqn/egIMQneKwjhZFGMnAZaaYRox29czPMYpS0dPHNbmXX61fm2d G5efFSrCQr1Vo9fKIPOzgssX/HCQ0SLpR/km4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.161.22 with SMTP id n22mr1099692ebo.83.1256924099307; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:34:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:35:00 -0000 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > > No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL has > shared library's just like many other applications. > Yep, I know all about that. But it is indicative. And indeed born out by the fact that when HAL is not running I get 18MB more memory free. This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to RTFM. > Not entirely true. I didn't misinterpret the data - it was accurate. I didn't read the FM, but then again if HAL worked as it is meant to, I shouldn't need to. Isn't that the whole point of HAL? Starting X and finding no keyboard or mouse working is hardly what I would call success. > Adam Vande More > MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 17:54:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6BD1065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2878FC19 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2016449pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:53:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zuaWbjhVakHIu9dhgfIKIrjxDXtidWGKC0W0F0VoN0w=; b=SqMH7dLUkFbtpDluqox4yMM9YHioFFIpLpOcWSROL6yFjd9eeR2ML5Bp4fCJnTo/x5 dnVNMnF6Txjyiaud5eyn/sHxbwLDoflIrV3dpzl87Il0ilets3a7SZqWc6jrSsfl7cDE KoH3zKcKnSfrd5Ad2zm2LFxIENcpnemNCpvH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=sAVj1tdhJzeULKGGr62MXgBPcYlGDEG5zzD4KqubsbqpELF5zccQ5DL+BvLe+SQlun Zs7Bt9jEWYVHAeora6TvuthVh7CoA8RWprMquvz3XmkbUjG6JtdGdT1zwitjUBmBR+IM KbAE630MyeWFx6sI1QqFc8cxqHRlwQf7PVWXg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.75.16 with SMTP id x16mr187837wfa.155.1256925239613; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:53:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:53:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:54:00 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > > >> No my point was top is not accurate measure of HAL's memory usage. HAL >> has shared library's just like many other applications. >> > > Yep, I know all about that. But it is indicative. And indeed born out by > the fact that when HAL is not running I get 18MB more memory free. > I am unable to replicate this. > > This is only because of your misinterpretation of data and failure to RTFM. >> > > Not entirely true. I didn't misinterpret the data - it was accurate. I > didn't read the FM, but then again if HAL worked as it is meant to, I > shouldn't need to. Isn't that the whole point of HAL? Starting X and finding > no keyboard or mouse working is hardly what I would call success. > Nowhere have you demonstrated HAL is not working as it's meant to. This is pointless to argue about since it's so easy to debug. Simply post the X log from your original state, and the reason it didn't work will be clearly shown. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 18:35:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF411065692 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Received: from sbox.lohika.com (sbox.lohika.com [217.9.0.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394618FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,655,1249246800"; d="scan'208";a="3222777" Received: from unknown (HELO dekker.lohika.com) ([172.20.100.30]) by sbox-local.lohika.com with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 20:35:53 +0200 Received: from [95.135.143.12] ([95.135.143.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by dekker.lohika.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9UIbfA9008896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:37:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mkushnir@lohika.com) Message-ID: <4AEB31FE.3020908@lohika.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:35:42 +0200 From: Markiyan Kushnir User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090808) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Bonnet References: <4AEAF362.3080304@esiee.fr> In-Reply-To: <4AEAF362.3080304@esiee.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9967/Fri Oct 30 15:11:36 2009 on dekker.lohika.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NIS users can't login with FTPD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:35:55 -0000 what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? Markiyan. Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hello > > I've installed a nes machine ( 7.2 / 64 bits ) which runs like a charm > EXCEPT for the FTP service for NIS users ... > > Local users ( which are present in /etc/passwd file ) have no problem > BUT NIS users cannot log in > > when using telnet NIS users have no problem to log in ... > > Thank for any help > > > the /etc/pam.d/ftpd looks like the following > > # > # $FreeBSD: src/etc/pam.d/ftpd,v 1.19.8.1 2009/04/15 03:14:26 kensmith > # > # PAM configuration for the "ftpd" service > # > > # auth > auth sufficient pam_opie.so no_warn no_fake_prompts > auth requisite pam_opieaccess.so no_warn allow_local > #auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn > #auth sufficient pam_ssh.so no_warn try_first_pass > auth required pam_unix.so no_warn try_first_pass > > # account > account required pam_nologin.so > #account required pam_krb5.so > account required pam_unix.so > > # session > session required pam_permit.so > mail# > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 18:44:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F4106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA8E8FC13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so305695eyd.9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+LbnlTJEXC+8umTDIt9ipxoH444emZ6aCK6I91a4jag=; b=rNgOcYSKzWSfeGZcnEcydfDzs2Rm8dqv4NCMFKhLhY6zizbhyKtT4Y3Caw0WlCcDar JS3O0ZHpn0mhHe5/edKPNkKtmVQWSwk6++arHi1io8SiGBONZIz2K4AKfszPRC54t9Gc HhX4EkO121DAAqDTdZJGQA+ZRm9TwBD2FRy6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=W4Z5NttEBFZI09kag0wO8I9Jb2zvYYDUpnZx3lMFgk+UA2lY59Z3C6Zj8W55O8F7Ua BD6S+ntFSDc2far8aCIsu/GL1vGwUvhhVUyc3ssnmw6wlmxF0b4/pD6iq9R56drex5H1 mf4JXTwhhIvFCaZ4K3Vh+srIuJ5Fp1y1nft20= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.79 with SMTP id d57mr770240wef.117.1256928247701; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:44:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:44:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:44:10 -0000 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > > I am unable to replicate this. YMMV. But I did replicate it. I measured "before and after". Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes, as I did for a start. > Nowhere have you demonstrated HAL is not working as it's meant to. This is > pointless to argue about since it's so easy to debug. Simply post the X log > from your original state, and the reason it didn't work will be clearly > shown. > I disagree, and frankly I think you are ignoring facts. My old X worked fine, X with HAL did not. What can be plainer than that? Go and Google for hal problems - you will see that this is not an uncommon occurrence. It seems that the purpose of hal is to make things easier. Well it didn't for me - it made them harder. I dunno, perhaps I'm too stuck in my ways. But I've been configuring X for about 12+ years. I had the odd nightmare about 10 years ago, when I was still a noob, but not since. That is until last night, when I tried a new spoinky X+hal. Let's face it, a 3k config file which works perfectly shouldn't need to be replaced with 18MB of continuously running programs which still needs configuring. Instead of trying to say that hal works and I haven't demonstrated otherwise, actually go and look, as I did. Just Google "xorg hal" and you will see all kinds of probs. Google for "xorg without hal" for some other people's choice words on problems with hal. Reading up a little more on HAL today, it makes me laugh and cry. Here's a few bits with my take: 1. "HAL .fdi files--the new Xorg configure" 2. "Xorg/hal works but no mouse wheel" 3. "Reclaim your sanity from Xorg and HAL" 4. "Fed up with Xorg + hal mess" 5. "X.Org is well on its way to getting rid of lots of xorg.conf magic and moving it into obscure elements of HAL" My interpretation: 1. Great, Xorg doesn't need a config file, but to make it do what you want you will need config FILES. 2. HAL detection doesn't work properly. Wheel mice are very common. 3. HAL is insane. 4. It's not just me. 5. Why make something obscure? Is obscure better? Look, I appreciate the good intentions behind HAL, to make X setup very easy and automatic for as many people as possible. But when it doesn't work properly, it's no good saying that it does. If people still have problems with X/HAL/mice/keyboards/keymaps then it should not be called success. We haven't really gained anything. We have just from learning how to configure X in Xorg.conf to HAL in other places. Some people would call that re-inventing the wheel. -- > Adam Vande More > MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 18:48:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF9F106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f215.google.com (mail-gx0-f215.google.com [209.85.217.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284DC8FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so1121066gxk.14 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hHAV2qmRJsy7V8wFISKzuelbiurQFfSl1Uha+GOlH2U=; b=ew80vEHEU53tPjEBkA43hrIx07cNRC33EAL+628T9rq9f2/Th1rohfvU478qOiK3Jr 1Pt46y8y4PUJtxynzyz/7ZQd6RMDUaBubQDMsfFQMu62KgY1Jq5RAGmzUfPmPvoxW2cI jftvSFSrAKhidecFKQMnaqt93m7XJBpC2354E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xO/HXRREfW8MjXdps5b96zWIDd+Zk+msShWh/vbuo6ybN7stP81azXWzf7TYiwHjRW xEBAZqSFQQCELZmMMPIjrzlu0SETvuD3n9IwduXbHJ+9797q92KQ2T7eu6Z64wVk2dT1 fQt56ebad3zq3JvRLiEfINj2ce2YCGZ2qGxCM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.16.14 with SMTP id 14mr3588033ybp.246.1256928511317; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:48:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:48:32 -0000 I just saw this on my gentoo list (yes, there are folks complaining about HAL there as well). I don't know anything about this project other than it's intentions are to build a replacement for HAL. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DeviceKit From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 19:11:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F12A106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15658FC1B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2054403pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=CnvH6yVDI3l0fCj4llsOUDolsQs28cc/6UrkztsFh8Y=; b=sTKcVjhlMUX1hl0+Pn+eoMPKSuqDIIDO5+VuG+D0v42bJYFitEJmR1BSCwoaXPBm4/ 6iJLXeI7yZOPQyip/lL/qT90E7ts/Q13WyFujJTBpYxyqlcQFyBpUkKEUM0sEa6A0J/M U4+86sx9cxEnN9vzDMejpLxQ0eHIULj1xEAHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=SGZuRsPGxx/jEYfBzrsZPr9buf31KvBUly6eSXie5Fp3l+NuSQEJr11bhM0LWNfVN4 1JFzMJmgbCj3aRZRP0KEHQsaUrII9xjKwZuVyHsyb7VOgEm6Soc3zlJTtEF0WVChM88s h/dRyH+0SleM5cV4qgVkML9NVcflC3ulYIUXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.37 with SMTP id 37mr195353wfi.116.1256929866436; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:11:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:11:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Neal Hogan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Freminlins , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:07 -0000 I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which most made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced it, the workaround was available nearly immediately and fixed soon after. Nearly of the complaints were due to that bug, or misconfiguration just as you are experiencing. The bug was basically moused and hal fighting over who was polling the mouse while X was running. top is a horrible method of measuring memory usage by a process. procstat(1) will give you a much better picture, I suggest you challenge your assumptions and explore that path. However since you asked here is the diff. w/ HAL: CPU: 0.2% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.8% idle Mem: 66M Active, 43M Inact, 95M Wired, 776K Cache, 48M Buf, 1789M Free Swap: 4063M Total, 4063M Free /usr/local/etc/rc.d/hald stop had no discernible effect on usage. reboot after hald_enable="NO" in /etc/rc.conf CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle Mem: 62M Active, 43M Inact, 93M Wired, 660K Cache, 47M Buf, 1795M Free Swap: 4063M Total, 4063M Free -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 19:11:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B69106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=547206e79=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu (ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu [129.110.20.112]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCB48FC18 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Group: RELAYLIST X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,655,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="19398636" Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu ([129.110.20.110]) by ip-relay-002.utdallas.edu with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 14:11:49 -0500 Received: from utd65257.utdallas.edu (utd65257.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 732014EF5E; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:11:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:11:48 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: Freminlins , Adam Vande More Message-ID: <5E4C2348082DC1A843F033E6@utd65257.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) X-Munged-Reply-To: Figure it out MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Neil Short , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:11:51 -0000 --On Friday, October 30, 2009 13:44:07 -0500 Freminlins wrote: > > 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > >> >> I am unable to replicate this. > > > YMMV. But I did replicate it. I measured "before and after". > > Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes, as I did for > a start. > FWIW, here's mine: 1300 haldaemon 1 44 0 6824K 4316K select 0 0:03 0.00% hald -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 19:45:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0C1065676 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781F98FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so318324eyd.9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Fh2U7VEQ7vGyuiQ9qMkHtqRMerRF8hm2HY/SmD2JkUQ=; b=aEy/kCWgFoowyuBfx+wICu96yQ+gSkuk/AU8F5wnIFAJIuwVhtvkyLOak/mK/t6gx5 KUH13cZVvmSiowZukx3u8+lA7CUCXlR7fHjrrhHYg+rXOtqaevUoLYQlhvboDn+JdIH1 Q/MCSzB8ToimLxcNJkfswdgO9Y/hOCO3IuKJ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XZdNag3cdiuLV6NCGiq+Lo4iTqfRXEYRzKz7VE1iSOuCJGCOsJDC9maZ0+ClnMhis0 jW+INZ5zOHqw24/RmKpZASky4qi/DGOM6aOh0D0os+jc9h6uGgosW7rzxw79QPhU8dMS pKZAhrBOjuSLgLlgEnK8sjm9/8Zgsm6rdRZn4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.65 with SMTP id v43mr751297wee.118.1256931952428; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:45:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:45:54 -0000 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which most > made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which > occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced > it, the workaround was available nearly immediately and fixed soon after. > Nearly of the complaints were due to that bug, or misconfiguration just as > you are experiencing. The bug was basically moused and hal fighting over > who was polling the mouse while X was running. top is a horrible method of > measuring memory usage by a process. > But people are STILL having problems, like me last night. These "misconfigurations", isn't that what HAL is meant to stop people from doing, by configuring things itself? I tried with no xorg.conf file at all, I tried all sorts of things, it was very very ugly. Did you actually read what I wrote, or did you make up your mind that I had misconfigured something? Let me repeat it - I was given no keyboard or mouse. > procstat(1) will give you a much better picture, I suggest you challenge > your assumptions and explore that path. > > However since you asked here is the diff. You have just proved that you didn't read what I wrote. Let me repeat it: "Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes". You have just showed the headings, which doesn't mean a lot. I think you have closed your eyes to the problems that people experience with hal. That is a pity, because it won't improve anything. -- Adam Vande More MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 19:58:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E4D106568D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7F28FC15 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2076738pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=IaH4BlQdK95rpnjJIyZ8Jy+E2U4PQSs4vmin4AGsHVQ=; b=Xn9imiJsOrR2TSbdMA0mk9EC7bPqiou7Xxn/eMR9gSI/pZLubUG2zekmMQMgydqA5j TQ0R432bvWQ3CeCWABmCeLMkjFLqX6gtBty9cc10T4FwT7i9GzFoChtAN8pSavvl1ZmB LpvsWEquufAt29m1WwTllfobFddwfL7r45iN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=prW8TNi0UjNjV9drXGYeNvL0GTsd2oYEGVfNpYOGGC1//WIPt5iBZFzOqcOm4NdP8L x+DX4B9dC0pfUiTSD8D0NUW3wKEDaXeieN7hJu4ggi1ySs71pTpntg6ffWBTS0pu06bu 1iBkD8+s/EgIFTJ//vQ+BzRvOaX2haRiq5unM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.209.12 with SMTP id h12mr199284wfg.53.1256932729856; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:58:50 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > >> I was part of this and the x11 mailing list during the period in which >> most made the switch to hal. I am fully aware of all the complaining which >> occurred. There was a bug which made the issue difficult. I experienced >> it, the workaround was available nearly immediately and fixed soon after. >> Nearly of the complaints were due to that bug, or misconfiguration just as >> you are experiencing. The bug was basically moused and hal fighting over >> who was polling the mouse while X was running. top is a horrible method of >> measuring memory usage by a process. >> > > But people are STILL having problems, like me last night. These > "misconfigurations", isn't that what HAL is meant to stop people from doing, > by configuring things itself? I tried with no xorg.conf file at all, I tried > all sorts of things, it was very very ugly. Did you actually read what I > wrote, or did you make up your mind that I had misconfigured something? Let > me repeat it - I was given no keyboard or mouse. > Due to misconfiguration... > > > > >> procstat(1) will give you a much better picture, I suggest you challenge >> your assumptions and explore that path. >> >> However since you asked here is the diff. > > > > You have just proved that you didn't read what I wrote. Let me repeat it: > "Show us the output of top from your box with the hal processes". You have > just showed the headings, which doesn't mean a lot. > You're correct, the heading isn't a great method. It is however much more pertinent that the rest of output. Let me try another way. EACH LINE SHOWN IN TOP REPRESENTS THE CUMULATIVE MEMORY FOR THE PROCESS, INCLUDING SHARED MEMORY. IF PROCESS X IS LISTED 10 TIMES USING 10MB, THE TOTAL FOR PROCESS X IS PROBABLY NOT 100MB, AND MAY EVEN BE 10MB TOTAL. YOU CANNOT DETERMINE USEAGE BY TOP!!!!!!!! > > I think you have closed your eyes to the problems that people experience > with hal. That is a pity, because it won't improve anything. > It's me that doesn't read what is written? Please, you've already admitted to not RTFM and demonstrated you either didn't read, or didn't understand what's being said here. Software changes over time, a configuration file from years ago isn't always going to work. That's what manuals, online docs, and the handbook are for. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:04:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BB21065692 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from neshort@yahoo.com) Received: from web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7DA98FC0C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11853 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2009 20:04:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1256933096; bh=wUe6xBMKQ/4P3zWN+II1805oArJMKmrFuPkAhJ1qheM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YlnyQP/GTx80LqJh26Kv5KnnvANN7g/6opDO7PisQj0WAgZ9KyJa6S8aNKYTmIlYHAK7UiwEF8un+gXxukvYyVXRi8ZJgbUwLTgicATMU4bFRFYT6dTWwO6CGqqVDdpoFXraLbEdkqQQyuD2ysiWF+5d24JCl5Yckg/3/jdFrEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E+GZHngkEP6nCSRtIhd6ma0OkCPFJ2LasYxMws+mNLWrop3y8O1gZ1F8umoB8UOlYsqaYlamnb09+AAberbWdc0h8p3a/qiztfUxWROk/MwDBgH0NzPIufJYros5mE/i3zE7TwphEYYzxG80WQQxJUQYYBTNZ8FwQ5nBN2EdxWc=; Message-ID: <282173.10561.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kAmlO48VM1nVPFKUadlfkbcH3o8N08MygUzFt1R.Zc0RN3WL5jwdkkw5cXwQIZtavkazxHZRMcP6diXfXjhqPWjqVb12O5bZErzFC9wZ9jpJPSsFJfI9MKV2l3g7r0ENJm8pbSgKFLtvupUoRDs2UZwNqNACVQOLOycnQOOXU0b7daNKrTlZuE3Qa5ftpPzxKRwv3VObJuszj6WSf0zYXQT3d5wr0wZrrmJNldhF0ij_.DYmDpBVetrLlXfsvij6nHwSwbZMAtfUHUuqWh3V7nrIzWRx8TrHydW6hNXLI4nPV3LjdzCtjGNxv66njOrDgchnx0WVfHNGHaCYFGumCHJZrf0Yl.TeVmookB_lxyblK.CYpQgi4uB.EG0pUBA8uopvs.6Z9d41FhfrhzCC5dnuqWvfl5cwuDLqLfgRA6J142fpo6alAO_R.9hnifFvzrP7PFzMENY9Z83XIkMMP9zCX5mW5b0ozxSJ9Nt23Y01MJZ.kFKH_HqX007yAklN Received: from [173.84.5.162] by web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Short To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:04:57 -0000 --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Freminlins wrote: > From: Freminlins .... > Go and Google for hal problems - you will see > that this is not an uncommon occurrence. It seems that the > purpose of hal is to make things easier. Well it didn't > for me - it made them harder. I dunno, perhaps I'm too > stuck in my ways. But I've been configuring X for about > 12+ years. ....=A0 > Adam Vande More >=20 >=20 This is comforting for many reasons: notably, that I'm not alone in this ex= perience.=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:08:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6730B106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93E68FC15 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so445273ewy.37 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sU1J9yzaiWHr5c6pz+Wouxu5JI72g+o58FsTklJg658=; b=DScDVEx+0CYnfOsgUlnF8+p/uGI9IqFVBzkvFRixkDiF1CAq8NVmwoidxSeC0pD/9r PJz6PgLPLbGTfHklhPLHN+iahEYX/ebxLJUWNQSJ6JvyydigSAa2AWb0M/wgm71MnVmh EwJ4n9RnId/J2SSdxPmhWjKxyUhvD02EsK21M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DyCSIA9/eC0WuDiwMdL7bGY2WpZ0xfPo5nLYyupM3Sg0wLfiem7+yf2RHNsVHLvEQ9 P5yulHLY+JAiqGwTmQe4ZaIejBSMfkHO2aSf5UiZozyQqq7/7ukyY3xMJKqasIrqEL7P sV722QNj54LpROkQuqaYOa8hh1i+PVrf1ePVo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.66 with SMTP id k44mr711900wef.67.1256933328574; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:08:48 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:08:50 -0000 You are arrogant because you won't accept that people have problems with your beloved HAL, the Half Arsed Luser program. Some or many in the Linux crowd are planning to move away from it because it doesn't work properly. You don't accept that a 3k config file now needs 18MB of RAM. And doesn't work properly into the bargain anyway. You blame the users. Let's leave it at that. I have done what is right - I have moved away from Xorg + HAL which didn't work to Xorg - HAL which words properly. And I've saved 18MB of RAM. Goodbye. MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:14:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB4E106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC788FC12 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so2092879pzk.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=orqMdnR0MN3W2mFSqYyl7kT7NPJLrDkGb2xSAONOeFI=; b=A8XN2zg7sNvQ1i0D7N5ib1cpUaCMEqx1gtO70mOvY+yFOIzlPe6C4mGBRtAnkWSqxy u/WH+QCWt6eK1trjPvzIfZIXPK+yN2bfvZ9ySYEpUNr23W4hVF35aIw727E4SUehJ658 JFIMTtgK20bjRUyqoWDneht9jMZ6qmWEIVfbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=adRnMKYzxa1FrhR1AQFU2Fn6LR1DL0qLsygBYA733b2GExk8atJDsblTvUP5t/A4ai bSLi2BprH32FOvngYzt9feE6ral6VgkQ0zgEE7uctYRxej4Xlms5Dcq+XRzJjE5/VTfe Kw+YLVs0sxzadjitFbvrgTwqkmsT8UxxisqZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.202.6 with SMTP id z6mr210057wff.288.1256933658143; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:14:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910300904v5767894bkec0e7543e28aa951@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:14:18 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Freminlins wrote: > You are arrogant because you won't accept that people have problems with > your beloved HAL, the Half Arsed Luser program. Some or many in the Linux > crowd are planning to move away from it because it doesn't work properly. > > You don't accept that a 3k config file now needs 18MB of RAM. And doesn't > work properly into the bargain anyway. > > You blame the users. > > Let's leave it at that. I have done what is right - I have moved away from > Xorg + HAL which didn't work to Xorg - HAL which words properly. And I've > saved 18MB of RAM. > > Goodbye. > > MF. > Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats? That's what I thought. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:15:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A811065694 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f209.google.com (mail-ew0-f209.google.com [209.85.219.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769B38FC16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so451180ewy.37 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ektm6EiNqpSB1cVLEH0hGPgwji+0whBJR2xwtY/ELJs=; b=IzwVRcOHceH5nPm7QxidxYsNb0cLO44CM3IfT5tJscA/uUjnNBe8xlH9JXD3Sd/b1h ezKSq3bX4sfzpQpXgacjl17pupW9/HUIkuiM+aBcMAFi6WOjscDCFnD7fTRG1YnwstmU 6LIGDIqeTKg67K5MbQXH+apztF8a8It5Jio7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QtiKkgOy8bBaGmB7dpz8ewvlPkqCz84KdhRJLKyGPrOJmMS61Ylgx3M81XkpRVqcOz yrx0z84dub1bP8tiY7SKm3yWlLDSar+iaBXw0YDMPNWRSpgFJsQsOiWRGFsrFryC4jcf ss8+c47DVyl44B2cMdm/AP0OI+7IuU9phV+kM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.66 with SMTP id k44mr714278wef.67.1256933728257; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <282173.10561.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <282173.10561.qm@web56503.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:15:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Neil Short Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:15:30 -0000 2009/10/30 Neil Short > > This is comforting for many reasons: notably, that I'm not alone in this > experience. > Do you know something, it's not comforting. Not really. It just means you are another user for whom a program doesn't work properly. MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:18:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917AA106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freminlins@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7078FC13 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so324516eyd.9 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:18:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6PWctoGlOuUbR7H+6lbp/VKEsKTwkJWLvKqrWGA5goQ=; b=enES+m2zn98Q70Na/8hrFXG9IUxqKW8hpYCxXA6umahlgbZm6pCLTqRUeDFnN/E6b4 79tA7b8UKZjrX/yI0xTs3NAq6p2g/cg8lo8bdd8nGbpQM8CT2gS5UcaodCP6b/dfmpUV f8fcupGfTupc4pJAvDVzAbEXggEo6/xn8L3es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=syhRRp085aH59qUHLnLI1PODbpJMf3al+1QN7qI91UdKNkI9N6WPoQ86BWguJyr5Ct DV3Z3x3me83SNi9LEZshUsUAQLy/vQrTxppfXpw5vvSkVcBo4eTPvbZnxDX+o0P/HLAt dDkSEkRx0Xs4Mr9iGku/rN0ZlT3oO+C8c1fW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.203 with SMTP id e53mr901182wef.86.1256933880663; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:18:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: Freminlins To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:02 -0000 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats? > I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough to feed on, but you just can't smell the coffee. > Adam Vande More > MF. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:18:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD501065693 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6FA8FC1D for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so2095047pzk.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:18:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qvE1C7+0BmihJVbihV9HG4HjsCJQd7eywSqyt8SR+0k=; b=wCQhsiUBmiNf5QdyMXo46EG9Ex9mk5xC4eCq4/Y8qr6fQMoUjUzvDiEqtilw7RDLvY ygf1hCrXzCRVBAtZiL8VR5519qvKVqF0fpH3Bzz7RW3IUzj5yC0JXlHNFQo+AcIdo5LY nK/ojIQy5m9JdJLJGaQYK2CaBvwXhYM0Jx2RQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=grDHzJFKktkdmOWSkwdbwDFCHn4DlKk4FfNPakv3Mrb7nThBrp4mupPYhx/MNDGGIV eYwawqyoW7Y4XWPyVg/d0rjCeWKX8zUqHcxGJElOBy9sGZz/xbacADcEMS7rOBtT95OJ cMm1G8rPagy47qqLzQHdOimp89jMoC5eJrzno= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.20.10 with SMTP id x10mr181078wfi.224.1256933933887; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:18:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6201873e0910301318o65a7af3eq905441037d5ef940@mail.gmail.com> From: Adam Vande More To: Freminlins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:54 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Freminlins wrote: > 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More > > >> Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats? >> > > I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm > not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough to feed > on, but you just can't smell the coffee. > > > >> Adam Vande More >> > > > MF. > Okay go play with your ISA bus, while the rest of us enjoy PCI. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 20:39:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2471065670 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEBD8FC19 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iph2.telenor.se (195.54.127.133) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1C0007548C2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:39:39 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkpMADrs6kpV44MCPGdsb2JhbACBUJl8AQEBATfEd4Q9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,655,1249250400"; d="scan'208";a="59294973" Received: from c-0283e355.09-42-6e6b7010.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO lazlar.kicks-ass.net) ([85.227.131.2]) by iph2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2009 21:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4AEB4F0A.9030703@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:39:38 +0100 From: Rolf Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091028) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <370279.86430.qm@web56502.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6201873e0910301053s77147e9dlfcd631f3385fa58a@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301211s4c4714f2w433407f458d458fa@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301258x1b996f27s2ecba9eb9f067757@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301314y769469c3ycfb096c7b68704e@mail.gmail.com> <6201873e0910301318o65a7af3eq905441037d5ef940@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6201873e0910301318o65a7af3eq905441037d5ef940@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Freminlins , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Effing HAL X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:39:40 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Freminlins wrote: > >> 2009/10/30 Adam Vande More >> >> >>> Where's your config files, your errors logs, your stats? >>> >> I am not going to reply to you after this because you are blinkered. I'm >> not going to waste my time with you. I've given you more than enough to feed >> on, but you just can't smell the coffee. >> >> >> >>> Adam Vande More >>> >> >> MF. >> > > > Okay go play with your ISA bus, while the rest of us enjoy PCI. > > Seems this is more about control than actual quality of software. One wants to keep control, one wants to release control completely to the software. Personally I prefer to keep control, therefore I have disabled HAL. Does that mean my system is bad? I can't see that it does. Does it mean I say HAL is crap? It could, but I haven't tried enough to make such an accusation. I'd like to draw a parallel (this will be pretty basic, but a more involved discussion will be far too much OT). I'm type 1 diabetic, and I use an insulin pump. The basic purpose of having a pump instead of several injections a day, is replacing the long-acting insulin with a constant feed of rapid-acting insulin, thus mimicking a functioning pancreas. And for the longest time, that was all they did. And the user had to tell the pump how much insulin he/she needed, both the constant feed and with meals. Nowdays, the pumps have evolved, and with most of them, one can simply tell it what a meal contains, and it calculates the proper amount of insulin. And the next generation will constantly measure the blood sugar and decide the amount of insulin automagically. Just like those evolved pumps will be great for people who don't want to bother, HAL may be an excellent idea for people who don't want to congfigure everything themselves. And just like I prefer to decide how much insulin I want rather than having a machine decide for me, I prefer to configure my computer and all installed software rather than have software configure itself... Does that mean I am an idiot? If so, then I'm proud to be an idiot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 21:49:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C26106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D758FC18 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9ULnnXt053241 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AEB5F7B.1060202@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:49:47 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:49:49 -0000 I am getting these errors in messages: Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: can't change attributes for /usr/local Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: bad exports list line /usr/local -maproot Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: can't change attributes for /usr/home Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: bad exports list line /usr/home -network Here is my /etc/exports: /usr/diskless -alldirs -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 /usr/local -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 /usr/home -maproot=root -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 What's wrong? Also why messages are so cryptic? Which attributes? Why "bad exports list line"? If it would explain in messages what's wrong I wouldn't even be asking question here. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 22:06:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C9F106568B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout011.mac.com (asmtpout011.mac.com [17.148.16.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38158FC1A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:06:33 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSC0095ULEHXS50@asmtp011.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <1CBF5D4E-1FAD-4340-9754-D7BD5BFE08C7@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: yuri@rawbw.com In-reply-to: <4AEB5F7B.1060202@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:06:17 -0700 References: <4AEB5F7B.1060202@rawbw.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:06:34 -0000 Hi-- On Oct 30, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Yuri wrote: > I am getting these errors in messages: > Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: can't change attributes for /usr/ > local > Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: bad exports list line /usr/local > -maproot > Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: can't change attributes for /usr/ > home > Oct 30 14:37:20 eagle mountd[4243]: bad exports list line /usr/home - > network > > Here is my /etc/exports: > /usr/diskless -alldirs -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 - > mask=255.0.0.0 > /usr/local -maproot=root -ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 > /usr/home -maproot=root -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 > > What's wrong? > > Also why messages are so cryptic? Which attributes? Why "bad exports > list line"? > If it would explain in messages what's wrong I wouldn't even be > asking question here. For one thing, the second line should be: /usr/local -maproot=root,ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 For another, you are only supposed to export a given filesystem once; the notion of exporting it multiple times means you are changing the values of the previous export, and that's not supported. See: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=109911 ...or your friendly documentation on NFS. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 22:16:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BFC106568B; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:16:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A2C8FC21; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11432; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:05:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200910302205.QAA11432@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:05:25 -0600 To: Randi Harper , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <200910301018.25483.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? 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Unless perhaps it had a furry seat cover. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 22:36:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E703106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from claytonwilhelm_r@yahoo.com.br) Received: from web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 222268FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8419 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2009 22:09:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.br; s=s1024; t=1256940581; bh=z81LzhJyeFAGyvJbpIuJdblWRHcQ1MUVb39VVNQ6Z4w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ylomVa64RhCkEDrRdNSj0Frih19cc3WFYCUgakiv+RNwgKbX87BVTjis7qH1aITmRdwjfyMp2U4NKxoJ7+FEL2gVhjI2p1EHBQ7JZ2xzxghX/vUR3SyNCHwfO7sLYybPit29MLvObLQnJSkwri98r+TUfhYtXEELVRYl6lOsvlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AVUp9kVZSClNsO7ldvhqQWwmlnwwQ+cgCcyBzoXt/QNdy4kSIgwekypGX/OhFm9pbf/AQfHZtQ/82fMUpOkYPUoaHDqQGIm8Q+u5kVQ09baCaePhEYpvXBUvdinVtNMHzcS/TRctCWsac1BM9OYx4Tz3WI4RIv1B791x964j1oI=; Message-ID: <283971.8260.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 576g7IMVM1lVgtUsiWhhEsoP5ipD3Qt3cNy6IwnGDlyR3GaFsISE1Br1H4F7uwR9xl.ngkEGk58tzxpMTyRizgz6rJfOWZK2vCX388kmDbW6nM8nevV2b_cncaVIxvHPur79hP0Fe1KbVPFOR6Uj9nH68NyOjulZuBo62TKvDSkvGxLJeQFowDHTQrh2QyRgKNTnay9u9HNM61gUq9EUXrxkvb.xw8aJNLQZWxqCpP8hXwsiMpctykmf2OY56V.WXdK56mrQ.HI2syw70BZzuLPP.ODt2qNpgWS60gRO4uwMur3T1oraZkOGe91t5s63TmpddXaQgDBwH8dxifrobHXE9N_nQ5Hs_bqnNPugemtv63Ne2qUw_9HCs43JAQUdUoiTLdA3ALoaD7hfhWM2CP9XkQJ9j6B8b5BDybPXlclqPX6aWZgAXPcaMX7_bvVD8mkHeA-- Received: from [189.58.164.70] by web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:58:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:36:22 -0000 Hi my name is Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa, I made the dowmload of FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 i wanna know if is normal the files= of disc 2 and 3 have only 364Kb size. thank you very much. =0A=0A=0A ____________________________________________________________= ________________________=0AVeja quais s=E3o os assuntos do momento no Yahoo= ! +Buscados=0Ahttp://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 23:02:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCBB106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:02:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987958FC08 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so2157731pzk.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+ddMdRp/aFTWLuUwJPXamJe21B9O77TEtcp5X3x3gHY=; b=iU2JUjNkHIdhBnYGy/wxfnA94VDOJLjl2e6dz8fh8PGvHBOL4BXHJt5XitS++nGXT+ /7stuZNcZWTZNC+xkPp0pC7+Da7rQd+zT+Cs8P9y3t4ebXxNeNuHQ4PYe2c8Cnppgonm AS2BkHJBTAR61ItCEG4H7sDX0gYSKUbvAoH8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=iJTnHhEPyia3nwObXwepg/lliWArbuzDwtwQ6w2rqi7tpZJeQbIRB8klgnFF2JEquq bWzYrjMUP3UnEFbp8QUTlqGerT5pFBp9PeJeiQwGySbtm3eco+Yt+468OVogZae3qsnO rdgd61vEFOEuq7nDtSyTzXHxeER7BJo2+P9go= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.100.22 with SMTP id c22mr1639457wam.58.1256943742188; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:02:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <283971.8260.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <283971.8260.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:02:22 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:02:22 -0000 On 10/30/09, Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa wrote: > Hi my name is Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa, > > I made the dowmload of FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 i wanna know if is normal the files > of disc 2 and 3 have only 364Kb size. > > thank you very much. Yes, that's how it is been released. Disc 2 and 3 are prebuilt programs - and apparently there were none bundled. You can build all programs you want via ports. If they're not compatible, then it won't build. Enjoy! --TJ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 23:08:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550E5106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout021.mac.com (asmtpout021.mac.com [17.148.16.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4310E8FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp021.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSC000IUOARV810@asmtp021.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <542B00B9-47F6-4DAC-A6E8-C6B683E4F114@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa In-reply-to: <283971.8260.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:08:51 -0700 References: <283971.8260.qm@web56201.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:08:53 -0000 Hi-- On Oct 30, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Clayton Wilhelm da Rosa wrote: > I made the dowmload of FreeBSD 7.2 ia64 i wanna know if is normal > the files of disc 2 and 3 have only 364Kb size. Do you actually have an Itanium processor? They were pretty much only used in high-end multi-CPU enterprise boxes costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. I'm not sure the majority of ports were ever built for ia64, which might be why disk 2 & 3 are so small. Most people should be going for amd64 images instead, which can also be used with Intel EM64T (aka x86-64 or Intel64) CPUs such as P4/Xeon/ Core/Core2/Core i5/i7... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 23:17:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C46106566C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell.rawbw.com (shell.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FF8FC16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.syrec.org (c-24-6-221-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.221.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell.rawbw.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n9UNHemM071806; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AEB7412.5030801@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:17:38 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4AEB5F7B.1060202@rawbw.com> <1CBF5D4E-1FAD-4340-9754-D7BD5BFE08C7@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1CBF5D4E-1FAD-4340-9754-D7BD5BFE08C7@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: yuri@rawbw.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:17:41 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > For one thing, the second line should be: > > /usr/local -maproot=root,ro -network=10.0.0 -mask=255.0.0.0 > > For another, you are only supposed to export a given filesystem once; > the notion of exporting it multiple times means you are changing the > values of the previous export, and that's not supported. See: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=109911 > The workaround suggested in this PR eliminates the messages, but causes client to get "Permission denied message" Because the modified mount points are for different nets. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 23:24:05 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5515A106566B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A938FC12 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:24:05 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.227.140.124]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSC00GHAP043D70@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <3B847F38-9057-4713-A486-3A281E54AE71@mac.com> From: Chuck Swiger To: yuri@rawbw.com In-reply-to: <4AEB7412.5030801@rawbw.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:24:04 -0700 References: <4AEB5F7B.1060202@rawbw.com> <1CBF5D4E-1FAD-4340-9754-D7BD5BFE08C7@mac.com> <4AEB7412.5030801@rawbw.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do I get errors from mountd (can't change attributes for ... bad exports list line ...) ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:24:05 -0000 On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Yuri wrote: > The workaround suggested in this PR eliminates the messages, but > causes client to get "Permission denied message" > Because the modified mount points are for different nets. Assuming /usr/diskless, /usr/local, and /usr/home are all on the same / usr filesystem, just set up one export using -alldirs instead. However, you cannot export subdirectories of /usr with different permissions (some ro, some rw) to the same subnet...you would have to use different filesystems to do that. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 30 23:59:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BCC106568F for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAB78FC19 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2167047pxi.7 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PbJ74Bke6o6FBIAIcDVmk7CmzpuSeNBOM1R10B5E+4k=; b=BoVAqvf9IxX99qHQChQY+8nL58uWPF9hsn3ToRtNF6kHqAgiUcJbiAgIgLdp4x2LSH BwANngEqdRr24R5oxWLiLra0GwQtsjSpBCXmZ9M7vRudFIDuGDNoPJAoxZnxHFEW8QOY NLehHz9w6nV8TalBQgwfJIqM1NC76/5cPBU5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=JeXAPhkOmmPSY8pn49UScXj9W20fXT4Dy9yiiFIQOOHf2/hOEAGuDcxmD1V67w42zb 8Pp3r5dngnrF3EOVqW5nINxCIkLfeeFqXaSde3KTlJLSUOSGNq3P6skXNcR7Z5GfCDTP 8bD3TZhvCakuI0UQSL+T283mu93IKrBYRNAQ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.5.18 with SMTP id 18mr1694230wae.140.1256947190135; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:59:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:59:50 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: usleepless@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: David Patton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues with email migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:59:50 -0000 On 10/30/09, usleepless@gmail.com wrote: > Hi David, > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Patton > wrote: > >> This morning I moved the contents from the server over to an NFS share. >> >> >> >> This is a freebsd 6.2 server running postfix, courier-imap and >> squirrelmail. >> I used rsync to move the data for /www and /mail over to the nfs share. >> After I made the changed to fstab and rebooted, every thing came up and >> email seemed to be faster but in fact it wasn't. Once I realized that >> there >> was an issue, I changed the link back for the /www directory to the >> original >> location and left the link for /mail pointing to the nfs share. I found >> from >> a search to try newaliaies and the restart postfix but that didn't work. >> >> >> >> Maillog: >> >> Oct 30 06:11:38 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1337]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: process >> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 1337 exit status 1 >> >> Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: >> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup - throttling >> >> >> >> Message: >> >> Oct 30 06:00:27 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1177]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:01:28 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1184]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:02:29 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1192]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:03:30 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1218]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:04:31 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1235]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:05:32 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1256]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:06:33 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1270]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:07:34 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1296]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> >> Oct 30 06:08:35 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1307]: fatal: shared-lock database >> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >> > > although i am certainly not an expert regarding email issues nor NFS, but > could it be that the NFS server needs to support "lockd" and "statd" ? > > i have this in my /etc/rc.conf: > > rpc_lockd_enable="YES" > rpc_statd_enable="YES" On both the server and client. File locking is not supported without these two daemons running. I run diskless clients and I need to support file locking, for when you edit the passwd file with vipw and the like. Please enable the above on both the server and client, start them, then try again. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 03:49:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8251065679 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oscar815@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191208FC1B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so3378981yxe.3 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:49:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=m/94UeDggC9xlf9u5BrYxbtuw7UCuWMoqGuwoIIhSXo=; b=MhD+c6OlA0gs9ga+P3MRfTJg73pwotwcMI9Vn8VP6jgqijvKd/nIyZqi1pLjVBIt66 2rch1WiDfvs/unb2GJjHMq1Wc4QyiCUOhQUW0SgmHd/i0X+1qJi2quGxAEZe1fPiFe8Z qO/QO+sLTTH4g5V5HBRJuYjd/EAar50mQWURk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=NY8n23DwjErMNl6szr7tVjFIhUJC9tHTr9SbvRrwH0BooxS4T1TpmBQkxc+muxt0Gd XsMMjHSniy11s+fL0DIpC8XrjBQxLX2m6Zk7q2b4S2LLSj7vAJqijOFRjusohJIEIGQo h29cP8uVbSeNH5Aj9HIRT+kdFbMR6x6uxCSyo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.175.14 with SMTP id x14mr4338893ybe.191.1256959241924; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:41 +0900 Message-ID: <861961dd0910302020t728a9771tee9e628d618ab0e6@mail.gmail.com> From: oscar Seo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: freebsd 6.4 can't load kernel after upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 03:49:34 -0000 I'm a beginner in freebsd. my machine consists of freebsd-6.4 + i386 bootstrap loader,+ windowmaker after upgrade freebsd-6.4 using sysinstall then reboot the system, I got an error message as follows +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf Unable to load a kernel! / can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK _ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ so I decided to reinstall freebsd-6.4 but I can't boot and re-install freebsd using CD-rom. what shall I do boot my system using installed freebsd or live-CD ? Thanks... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 05:04:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD0F1065692 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C97B8FC1A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4494279.home.otenet.gr [94.71.95.207]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9V54tB7006076; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:04:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4AEBC577.7080204@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:04:55 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oscar Seo References: <861961dd0910302020t728a9771tee9e628d618ab0e6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <861961dd0910302020t728a9771tee9e628d618ab0e6@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 6.4 can't load kernel after upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:04:58 -0000 oscar Seo wrote: > I'm a beginner in freebsd. > my machine consists of freebsd-6.4 + i386 bootstrap loader,+ windowmaker > after upgrade freebsd-6.4 using sysinstall then reboot the system, > I got an error message as follows > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > Unable to load a kernel! > / > can't load 'kernel' > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > OK _ > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > so I decided to reinstall freebsd-6.4 but I can't boot and re-install > freebsd using CD-rom. > what shall I do boot my system using installed freebsd or live-CD ? > Thanks... > > You could try loading your old kernel. When you build a new kernel, your old kernel is preserved under /boot/kernel.old Type these commands in the loader prompt unload (probably not needed here) load kernel.old boot See section 12.3.3.3 for more examples and details http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html#BOOT-LOADER From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 05:29:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A672106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com (mail-yx0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2665D8FC14 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so3407279yxe.3 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5JbDY0cvPJM/z6J4+ZGx1P5za1QRJ2HqAvCMFekqU/Y=; b=FZsPNz7oPWBD9cWGlK9HzhgApQJh24E/7zaaPfDYiSRQk2YVniN+9YXNQQrx1HPpql bgqSaQsdbp1/Zyq78oJfhGTbBYzJ0DgoEK4ep2MUtOpkFPTF2Yay+Dk0thXDlQcoQ2VR vireQWHJY9iXrbIuP7v8sKhDFJYLHHtYXLxpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BP+5cj/ntl5DttL0FIzWjTt00zZldDjBNKMJA4ELSGlColkEGYmxV3ZZXYbcy4kUFx HkBhNlCE4fwDtISYEa+RLEfDK9EZif/4XRN5pl2guuXlHgiznx9FVbqlWofKYeq3snMo ctAU8kf9XMBlQQU/aQ1dedC6LlGzbDtH/78Sk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.143.16 with SMTP id q16mr6457602agd.26.1256966974242; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEA62E6.1080506@gehlbach.com> References: <4AEA62E6.1080506@gehlbach.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Richard Gehlbach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Rebuild instructions for amd64 systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:29:35 -0000 2009/10/29 Richard Gehlbach : > I am installing FreeBSD 7.2 / amd64 on a new server (HP DL370 G6) with 2 > quad Xeon processors and 16GB memory. =A0I have worked with the i386 vers= ions > since version 3.x, but this is the first server large enough to need amd6= 4. > > I have been trying to determine the correct procedures for rebuilding the > world and kernel. =A0I have not been able to find a location that had ste= p by > step instructions, similar to the handbook, for properly working with the > amd64 version. =A0Searches have turned up so many fragments of what needs= to > be done, that I cannot feel confident trying to put the pieces together. > > I need instructions for the command line compile options, conf file > additions, and any special instructions. > > If anyone can point me to some applicable links or some specific > instructions, it would be appreciated. It's not that different in most ways. From the forums and this mailing list, the biggest "gotcha" seems to be that HAMMER is the only valid setting for cpu in your kernconf. Otherwise, the normal stuff from /usr/src/UPDATING applies as with anything else. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 06:50:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A68B1065704 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:50:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4008FC17 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9E63A3839 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:58 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1256971797; x=1258786197; bh=WXBWXUu1j XWCYWd46B3GrsaBQ0KHKhixVPm6RLsRsss=; b=YLOH3QwIMLiW/ywyMqSwXyNiQ n10QQVuSOm96niN05My6YwfSODcnzFmkC0KiAmbYzk0OxLvQI8dyU7ZTm0MUqWBL R9C4zCAzYXkR4efgf7uhwAV1Q7n6e2rQ1KsLpg4XBj9WGDxWBz03XH4mONAoea+x 46jkDE5zdpq59GxByk= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9PCXR5so0tf4 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:57 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 599B23A382C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:57 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9V6nuX2009185; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:56 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:56 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910310649.n9V6nuX2009185@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Strange behaviour of nss_ldap in 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:50:00 -0000 Hi, I am using nss_ldap without problem on a machine with FreeBSD 6.4 amd64. Now I wanted to make a similar configuration with a machine running FreeBSD 7.2 i386, but I have a problem: - as root, getent passwd gives me the list of users in /etc/passwd and in LDAP; - as user. getent passwd only gives me list of users in /etc/passwd. Example: samba<1001>: ls -l toto -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 30 0 Oct 31 13:21 toto samba<1001>: sudo ls -l toto Password: -rw-r--r-- 1 on staff 0 Oct 31 13:21 toto The group ID and user ID are not resolved. On the machine that is working: banyan47: ls -l toto -rw-r--r-- 1 on csimstaff 0 Oct 31 13:46 toto banyan48: sudo ls -l toto Password: -rw-r--r-- 1 on csimstaff 0 Oct 31 13:46 toto The user and grup ID are resolved. Note that I can authenticate against LDAP without problem (sudo with pam_ldap works and ssh work). I have copied nss_ldap.conf and nsswitch.conf from the 6.4 to the 7.2 machine (with needed name changing). Both LDAP servers are running almost the same thing, ACL are the same. I have tried to remove the ACL on LDAP server without success. I am stuck with a different behaviour between 6.4 and 7.2, any help will be greatly appreciated as I need to solve that problm urgently. TIA, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 07:10:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E3D106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654D58FC22 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13F33A3839; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:06 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= references:subject:subject:in-reply-to:from:from:message-id:date :date:received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1256973006; x= 1258787406; bh=px6+b6ltw3eZTYwDU36mJkoYE1VLFBP0tiS8XqILNMw=; b=Z BJZTSuFPbs48kLGa82b/VCke/pNYCG4M4Ub3KDIDFRBnHf0PJn90WvpjuhTEvylV S4NoRkuTcem+bnTOL/+rnsZOLdQCrLxAuChVWW4Vit62zub94zezt4o088W3PoRH Q3IPELaFwWWR/PoZvsfH9RQgzG7lSK2/T0H3RVmg8g= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 7VSw-lgWJnzb; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:06 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6CC83A382C; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:05 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9V7A59X009388; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:05 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:10:05 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200910310710.n9V7A59X009388@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: on@cs.ait.ac.th In-reply-to: <200910310649.n9V6nuX2009185@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> (message from Olivier Nicole on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:49:56 +0700 (ICT)) References: <200910310649.n9V6nuX2009185@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of nss_ldap in 7.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:10:11 -0000 Bad bad bad me. > I am using nss_ldap without problem on a machine with FreeBSD 6.4 > amd64. > > Now I wanted to make a similar configuration with a machine running > FreeBSD 7.2 i386, but I have a problem: > > - as root, getent passwd gives me the list of users in /etc/passwd and > in LDAP; > > - as user. getent passwd only gives me list of users in /etc/passwd. Sorry for the disturbance, it was a CA file that was not user readable. Shame on me. > > Example: > > samba<1001>: ls -l toto > -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 30 0 Oct 31 13:21 toto > samba<1001>: sudo ls -l toto > Password: > -rw-r--r-- 1 on staff 0 Oct 31 13:21 toto > > The group ID and user ID are not resolved. > > On the machine that is working: > > banyan47: ls -l toto > -rw-r--r-- 1 on csimstaff 0 Oct 31 13:46 toto > banyan48: sudo ls -l toto > Password: > -rw-r--r-- 1 on csimstaff 0 Oct 31 13:46 toto > > The user and grup ID are resolved. > > Note that I can authenticate against LDAP without problem (sudo with > pam_ldap works and ssh work). > > I have copied nss_ldap.conf and nsswitch.conf from the 6.4 to the 7.2 > machine (with needed name changing). > > Both LDAP servers are running almost the same thing, ACL are the same. > > I have tried to remove the ACL on LDAP server without success. > > I am stuck with a different behaviour between 6.4 and 7.2, any help > will be greatly appreciated as I need to solve that problm urgently. > > > TIA, > > Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 11:09:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6541065693 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guy@posteurs.com) Received: from kim.posteurs.com (kim.posteurs.com [91.121.169.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07AA8FC15 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kim.posteurs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2142F2B019 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:37:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at kim.posteurs.com Received: from kim.posteurs.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kim.posteurs.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-mc8IO+Z4Iq for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:37:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (guy.posteurs.com [88.161.152.179]) (Authenticated sender: guy@posteurs.com) by kim.posteurs.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAFF22AFC6 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:37:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:53:29 +0100 From: Guy Marcenac User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: best way to install/update software and firewall choice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:09:12 -0000 Hi, I am an old debian user and I am looking at freebsd for security reasons * I am very interested in the jail concept * I have to relearn iptables syntax each time I want to add a rule I am testing the system in vmware virtual machine. There is a point I don't fully understand. There are several ways of updating the system, from precompiled binaries or by recompiling the system and the ports (and using csup, portsnap, portupgrade ...). I would prefer to use the first way because it is really faster, but it seems to me that when I want to update my jails, there is no other easy way than recompiling the whole world into my jails. The other point a bit confusing is that I dont know which firewall to use. My first guess would be to use pf, because it exists also on openbsd, but it seems that the default would go to ipfw. Thanks to support a newby -- Guy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 12:08:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3A71065698 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [83.235.67.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996F48FC1D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (athedsl-4492455.home.otenet.gr [94.71.88.175]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n9VC8IU3007009; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:08:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4AEC28B1.5050103@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:08:17 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Marcenac References: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to install/update software and firewall choice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:08:21 -0000 Guy Marcenac wrote: > Hi, > > I am an old debian user and I am looking at freebsd for security reasons > * I am very interested in the jail concept > * I have to relearn iptables syntax each time I want to add a rule Don't we all :) > > I am testing the system in vmware virtual machine. > > There is a point I don't fully understand. There are several ways of > updating the system, from precompiled binaries or by recompiling the > system and the ports (and using csup, portsnap, portupgrade ...). To update your base system, you can use freebsd-update. This uses precompiled binaries and also updates the relevant sources (assuming you have them installed beforehand and you are using the default freebsd-update configuration - which is recommended). However if you are going to run jails, this advantage is more less defeated: you will have to run 'make buildworld' anyway to install the result in the jails. > I would prefer to use the first way because it is really faster, but > it seems to me that when I want to update my jails, there is no other > easy way than recompiling the whole world into my jails. > Yes, unless you can somehow run freebsd-update from inside a jail :) Don't know if this will work though. It will probably fail trying to patch the kernel. If you use freebsd-update you will only 'make installworld' for the jails, as the 'host' will be taken care of by freebsd-update binary patching. You still need the make buildworld step, so you don't really gain much. > The other point a bit confusing is that I dont know which firewall to > use. My first guess would be to use pf, because it exists also on > openbsd, but it seems that the default would go to ipfw. > I am using pf too. It is a matter of preference and features needed. I suggest you read the Handbook chapter and decide for yourself. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 12:20:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573FA106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D518FC27 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9VCKElL015046; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:20 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk n9VCKElL015046 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1256991620; bh=YUdjBIoKqq9hHYgMVy/Nz6AzSvHvYFJdaF8FWNSqzRM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4AEC2B78.5000909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S at,=2031=20Oct=202009=2012:20:08=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20090823)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Guy=20Marcenac=20|CC:=20freebsd -questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20best=20way=20to=20install/ update=20software=20and=20firewall=20choice|References:=20<4AEC172 9.6000307@posteurs.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs. com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed =3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-s ignature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig787C386A7C5282C29 CF6C718"; b=KN+1vSKDuSUKu7jXomo6vidHY5AD2TPrx4kCpwBTHWvCj7kFOxNQhBSOwIvSdiwD+ UHCFLg7L+zvybg1GOrlx2TjL7zjluWgDSEQHaCabYZxvmHrXXp52fWDb0G/4eNnE4r hO4eiZHBLix59Ym+L5b4l3GkTDSnNcn86wPhboqE= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4AEC2B78.5000909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:08 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090823) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Marcenac References: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> In-Reply-To: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig787C386A7C5282C29CF6C718" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to install/update software and firewall choice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig787C386A7C5282C29CF6C718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guy Marcenac wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I am an old debian user and I am looking at freebsd for security reason= s > * I am very interested in the jail concept > * I have to relearn iptables syntax each time I want to add a rule >=20 > I am testing the system in vmware virtual machine. >=20 > There is a point I don't fully understand. There are several ways of=20 > updating the system, from precompiled binaries or by recompiling the=20 > system and the ports (and using csup, portsnap, portupgrade ...). > I would prefer to use the first way because it is really faster, but it= =20 > seems to me that when I want to update my jails, there is no other easy= =20 > way than recompiling the whole world into my jails. If you're building world for the base system, then you can install the sa= me updates into your jails without recompiling everything: # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make installworld ## the base system # mergemaster -Ui # make DESTDIR=3D/jails/jail0.example.com/ ## each different jail # mergemaster -D /jails/jail0.example.com -Ui Alternatively you can nullfs mount /usr/src and /usr/obj into your jails,= and then just log in to the jail and install the built world and run mergemaster that way. This is assuming that all your jails are intended= to run the same OS version as your base system -- if not, then you are correct: you'll have to update each one separately. Similarly, you can nullfs mount the ports tree into you jails. A good approach is to create a /usr/ports/packages directory and then when installing in the base, make a package of anything you build. You can then install that package in the jail without lots of recompilation. If you're using portupgrade(1), use the -p flag in the base system to cau= se packages to be built, and the -P flag in your jails to install any ava= ilable packages. This is functionality that is currently missing from po= rtmaster but portmaster's author is soliciting donations to support himself while he spends some quality time implementing it. > The other point a bit confusing is that I dont know which firewall to=20 > use. My first guess would be to use pf, because it exists also on=20 > openbsd, but it seems that the default would go to ipfw. ipfw(8) is the original FreeBSD firewall, whereas pf is an import from OpenBSD a few major versions back. Featurewise, they have much the same basic capabilities although for some more advanced stuff like HA you'll need pf. Personally I very much prefer pf because the config file is much more readable, and for the very simple reason that ipfw has a nasty tendency to lock you out of the system while you're trying to update the rules.=20 While it is still possible to lock yourself out with pf, you have to try really quite hard to do so. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig787C386A7C5282C29CF6C718 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAkrsK34ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIycTwCeNR53F6pVbErUgl4idnl8K1iG 9TwAn2/FwpU3bKxQk3rbfNn/1ZuUqnsB =amHr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig787C386A7C5282C29CF6C718-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 12:20:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF3E10656A7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phantomcircuit@covertinferno.org) Received: from mail.covertinferno.org (adsl-99-157-74-167.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [99.157.74.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8833B8FC40 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.121] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by mail.covertinferno.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A22C19737D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AEC2B73.3020505@covertinferno.org> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 05:20:03 -0700 From: phantomcircuit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> <4AEC28B1.5050103@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <4AEC28B1.5050103@otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: best way to install/update software and firewall choice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:52 -0000 freebsd-update works fine in a jail so long as you symlink the kernel file to /dev/null Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Guy Marcenac wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am an old debian user and I am looking at freebsd for security reasons >> * I am very interested in the jail concept >> * I have to relearn iptables syntax each time I want to add a rule >> > > Don't we all :) > > >> I am testing the system in vmware virtual machine. >> >> There is a point I don't fully understand. There are several ways of >> updating the system, from precompiled binaries or by recompiling the >> system and the ports (and using csup, portsnap, portupgrade ...). >> > > To update your base system, you can use freebsd-update. This uses > precompiled binaries and also updates the relevant sources (assuming you > have them installed beforehand and you are using the default > freebsd-update configuration - which is recommended). However if you are > going to run jails, this advantage is more less defeated: you will have > to run 'make buildworld' anyway to install the result in the jails. > > >> I would prefer to use the first way because it is really faster, but >> it seems to me that when I want to update my jails, there is no other >> easy way than recompiling the whole world into my jails. >> >> > Yes, unless you can somehow run freebsd-update from inside a jail :) > Don't know if this will work though. It will probably fail trying to > patch the kernel. > > If you use freebsd-update you will only 'make installworld' for the > jails, as the 'host' will be taken care of by freebsd-update binary > patching. You still need the make buildworld step, so you don't really > gain much. > > >> The other point a bit confusing is that I dont know which firewall to >> use. My first guess would be to use pf, because it exists also on >> openbsd, but it seems that the default would go to ipfw. >> >> > > I am using pf too. It is a matter of preference and features needed. I > suggest you read the Handbook chapter and decide for yourself. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 14:28:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91F31065670 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8219B8FC24 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12808 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Oct 2009 14:28:29 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A65950893; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E557D1CC26; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: $witch References: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:28:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (witch's message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:59:23 +0100") Message-ID: <444opf8wop.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6-only host and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:28:30 -0000 $witch writes: > have done a "best effort" to avoid useless question, am posting after > various faq-research and tests. > > having an IPv6-ONLY (FreeBSD 7.0) host that needs to perform a "portsnap > fetch" there is NO LIST of portsnap-IPv6-capable servers. > > maybe they don't exists or i am "too blind" to find them; is there anybody > that can post hostnames or links to souch kind of servers? > > obviously i can "workaround" using an IPv4-&-IPv6 intermediate-host, > but the goal is a "pure" IPv6 FreeBSD farm. You could ask Colin Percival... -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:06:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9551065698 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@farmington.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (bonnie.farmington.k12.mo.us [204.184.20.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A998FC17 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with SMTP id AC9E7986021; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mail.farmington.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 80) id 8874198601A; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 97.86.3.60 (SquirrelMail authenticated user david) by webmail.farmington.k12.mo.us with HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1431.97.86.3.60.1257001137.squirrel@webmail.farmington.k12.mo.us> In-Reply-To: References: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:58:57 -0500 (CDT) From: david@farmington.k12.mo.us To: "Tim Judd" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: David Patton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, usleepless@gmail.com Subject: Re: issues with email migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:06:38 -0000 only one issue with that. The server in question is an emc clereon(sorry not at work to look at the specifics) and at this point the only access I have to it is a web interface and am unable to access a command line. Also a stupid question my plan is to set up another server to access the nfs share to provide better email service. would this impact it in any way? thank you again > On 10/30/09, usleepless@gmail.com wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Patton >> wrote: >> >>> This morning I moved the contents from the server over to an NFS share. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a freebsd 6.2 server running postfix, courier-imap and >>> squirrelmail. >>> I used rsync to move the data for /www and /mail over to the nfs share. >>> After I made the changed to fstab and rebooted, every thing came up and >>> email seemed to be faster but in fact it wasn't. Once I realized that >>> there >>> was an issue, I changed the link back for the /www directory to the >>> original >>> location and left the link for /mail pointing to the nfs share. I found >>> from >>> a search to try newaliaies and the restart postfix but that didn't >>> work. >>> >>> >>> >>> Maillog: >>> >>> Oct 30 06:11:38 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1337]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: process >>> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd pid 1337 exit status 1 >>> >>> Oct 30 06:11:39 bonnie postfix/master[889]: warning: >>> /usr/local/libexec/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup - throttling >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: >>> >>> Oct 30 06:00:27 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1177]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:01:28 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1184]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:02:29 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1192]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:03:30 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1218]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:04:31 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1235]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:05:32 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1256]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:06:33 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1270]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:07:34 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1296]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >>> Oct 30 06:08:35 bonnie postfix/smtpd[1307]: fatal: shared-lock database >>> /www/mailman/data/aliases.db for open: Operation not supported >>> >> >> although i am certainly not an expert regarding email issues nor NFS, >> but >> could it be that the NFS server needs to support "lockd" and "statd" ? >> >> i have this in my /etc/rc.conf: >> >> rpc_lockd_enable="YES" >> rpc_statd_enable="YES" > > > On both the server and client. > > File locking is not supported without these two daemons running. I > run diskless clients and I need to support file locking, for when you > edit the passwd file with vipw and the like. > > > Please enable the above on both the server and client, start them, > then try again. > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:14:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85073106568B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560388FC0C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73841F0A2 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-76-26-200-187.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [76.26.200.187]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E58530087 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1N4FfI-00069T-00 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:14:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:14:52 -0500 From: stan To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 10:08:10 up 31 days, 17:21, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.05 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Subject: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:53 -0000 I am planing on rebuilding my laptop shortly. I am going to put Ubuntu 9.10 on as the base OS, and I want to be able to run various versions of FreebSD as guest OS'es under one of the free (EG not VMWare) virtual machine choices. Which of these does FreebSD run well under? -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:17:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D84C1065670 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@maxiscale.com) Received: from server505.appriver.com (server505b.appriver.com [98.129.35.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BF88FC12 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Policy: GLOBAL - maxiscale.com X-Primary: psteele@maxiscale.com X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-ALLOW: psteele@maxiscale.com ALLOWED X-Virus-Scan: V- X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 98.129.23.14 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: ht01.exg5.exghost.com X-Note-WHTLIST: psteele@maxiscale.com X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 112 113 114 115 119 120 131 217 X-Note: Mail Class: ALLOWEDSENDER X-Note: Headers Injected Received: from [98.129.23.14] (HELO ht01.exg5.exghost.com) by server505.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTPS id 12496783 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:17:04 -0500 Received: from mbx03.exg5.exghost.com ([169.254.1.128]) by ht01.exg5.exghost.com ([98.129.23.14]) with mapi; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:17:07 -0500 From: Peter Steele To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:17:05 -0500 Thread-Topic: system() call causes core dump Thread-Index: AcpaPTS/E6KMR1pTSfCxV1aPDwIr/Q== Message-ID: <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB327D117F@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: system() call causes core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:09 -0000 I have an application running a number of threads. I've had recent instance= s where the code below is causing a core dump to occur: char fstatCmd[200]; char *fstatOut =3D "/tmp/fstat.out"; sprintf(fstatCmd, "fstat | grep -v USER | wc -l >%s", fstatOut); rc =3D system(fstatCmd); The call is simply intended to get a count of the current open handles. The= system call though causes a core: #0 0x0000000801058307 in _spinunlock () from /lib/libthr.so.3 #1 0x00000008011d0afb in _malloc_postfork () from /lib/libc.so.7 #2 0x000000080105c5fb in fork () from /lib/libthr.so.3 #3 0x0000000801191aae in system () from /lib/libc.so.7 #4 0x00000008010553aa in system () from /lib/libthr.so.3 #5 0x000000000040b6f9 in mythread at myapp.c:461 #6 0x0000000801056a88 in pthread_getprio () from /lib/libthr.so.3 There appears to be some kind of thread-safe issue going on. I have a numbe= r of threads that are monitoring various items, waking up a differing inter= vals to do their respective tasks. Do I need to put in a global mutex so th= at the threads never attempt to make simultaneous system() calls? Curiously= , only this particular system() call appears to be causing a core. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:18:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790BB1065692 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BF8FC24 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:18:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7E51F0AC for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-76-26-200-187.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [76.26.200.187]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923330678 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1N4Fix-0006C9-00 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:18:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:18:39 -0500 From: stan To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20091031151839.GC23459@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 10:08:10 up 31 days, 17:21, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.05 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Subject: Which VM ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:18:46 -0000 I am planing n rebuilding my laptop now that 9.10 is out. I want to be able to run Ubuntu, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and perhaps XP as guest OS'es on this machine. I tried this a month or so ago with VirtualBox, and some of these OS'es did not work under it. I understand that the one Linus is favoring is Xen. What's the collective wisdom of the list on this? Which VM should I use? -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:22:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024A2106566C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root.vagner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849C88FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4701087bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=SaVyKVm/EcF0WICasHaKVfYTtNTvwUu4uNvmt/2dyYE=; b=ZFi42AQTExUGWxVt7unA2TXp8EfhtXlVRcCkN0FpuFzYDm3fF/ATHSQwlY8/O5ewq+ XL6INPGjMe40+vjzjZxw9OTQ+k7DFSMPhkBW0/1il6rGcar3wRrtW/4y0ZqIOEO9gL9N SuK04e4qFyb+pKr7PYbXM5Xz7kMrNXwttA7+I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=nR8W+alqR3YdNM1zWmCLUPskPVJwOG8WaXkth8ovoFGnveGKNmiVB1GTEOgk9aE6Fi fYVcJIx9WftSgGIVl4NLTvlA+LuQhRvjhJb9V0pyP850r/yv/Oa0/hjXJQ49n0MH18ix +x7gqHIPQV109E8aCRKxCTPARhStbQBmFcFRc= Received: by 10.204.156.212 with SMTP id y20mr2152151bkw.126.1257000989255; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.vagner@gmail.com ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm2038589fkq.21.2009.10.31.07.56.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by root.vagner@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:56:23 +0300 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:56:22 +0300 From: Vagner To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091031145622.GA7648@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:22:26 -0000 Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by certified operating systems and software. Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar. For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. How do you fight against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself? Thks -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. IM: 328585847 mob. phone: +79525600664 email: root.vagner@gmail.com email: vagner_rider@bk.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:32:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951BD1065679 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278798FC1C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from xykert.erje.net (erje.net [80.126.62.176]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9VFJnPx055823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) Received: from ismet.erje.net (ismet.erje.net [IPv6:2001:888:1f33::8e45:5e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by xykert.erje.net (PostFix 2.6.5) with ESMTPS id AEFD2AF5B6 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:22 +0100 (CET) Received: (from robert@localhost) by ismet.erje.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9VFJLN0023537 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from robert@ml.erje.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ismet.erje.net: robert set sender to robert@ml.erje.net using -f Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:19:21 +0100 From: Robert Joosten To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091031151921.GB15538@ismet.erje.net> References: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-erje-MailScanner-Information: support@erje.net X-erje-MailScanner-ID: AEFD2AF5B6.7A970 X-erje-MailScanner: Ok found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:32:32 -0000 Hi, > Which of these does FreebSD run well under? It runs okay under virtualbox. Cheers, Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:50:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1D61065695 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:50:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0298FC25 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2415226pxi.7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=76nENmmpbfg6iGZR3nS9RHoBQCtetrw94OTB7Tn4Mds=; b=YE9QEyqzSI77IbmMC57SXq27hDTThcH3A2WoyQot0w5//1PGwnsq1EGjun10H7iF2Q QVGIdE1OirnRDBJ+dGu87QauD5oRtan+/Ukao/7Jr431sEXSVlnFaetBsI6BYAds3Nd0 1veNvbVn+AnSr5qCrBcdzmgWlIEdZ0FyQiETY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=CQG8B6n1iWzKUThgy9pqxqH5r0GKZAEUv/mltdvS1oXKZZ2eJ52DOJYUf+rHgB3yWn K+f/k1OneoosGeJlRFPFHYjvBh3Rj9r8lspT/tcvLbr3aqAeJihgzsvI1LNOS/raQyDl AsHWOmlheEvanZmVAhu4rFHBq3Lq9h3b+YV9s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.163.26 with SMTP id l26mr3428945wae.173.1257004256091; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1431.97.86.3.60.1257001137.squirrel@webmail.farmington.k12.mo.us> References: <20091030130054.589B39860E4@mail.farmington.k12.mo.us> <1431.97.86.3.60.1257001137.squirrel@webmail.farmington.k12.mo.us> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:50:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: david@farmington.k12.mo.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: issues with email migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:50:57 -0000 On 10/31/09, david@farmington.k12.mo.us wrote: > only one issue with that. The server in question is an emc clereon(sorry > not at work to look at the specifics) and at this point the only access I > have to it is a web interface and am unable to access a command line. > > Also a stupid question my plan is to set up another server to access the > nfs share to provide better email service. > > would this impact it in any way? Not if file locking and the daemons take care of everything like they should. Remember, file locking is mandatory for some things, especially mbox files, password files, or anything else that requires exclusive access to a file. If two systems try to access the same locked file, the 2nd will be told it won't be able to get an exclusive lock, because the 1st already has it locked. You're on the right track. Keep it going. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:55:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0791065679 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kennaway-macbookpro.config (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4998FC19; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4AEC5E02.8040705@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:55:46 +0000 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Steele References: <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB327D117F@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com> In-Reply-To: <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB327D117F@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: system() call causes core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:55:33 -0000 Peter Steele wrote: > I have an application running a number of threads. I've had recent instances where the code below is causing a core dump to occur: > > char fstatCmd[200]; > char *fstatOut = "/tmp/fstat.out"; > sprintf(fstatCmd, "fstat | grep -v USER | wc -l >%s", fstatOut); > rc = system(fstatCmd); > > The call is simply intended to get a count of the current open handles. The system call though causes a core: > > #0 0x0000000801058307 in _spinunlock () from /lib/libthr.so.3 > #1 0x00000008011d0afb in _malloc_postfork () from /lib/libc.so.7 > #2 0x000000080105c5fb in fork () from /lib/libthr.so.3 > #3 0x0000000801191aae in system () from /lib/libc.so.7 > #4 0x00000008010553aa in system () from /lib/libthr.so.3 > #5 0x000000000040b6f9 in mythread at myapp.c:461 > #6 0x0000000801056a88 in pthread_getprio () from /lib/libthr.so.3 > > There appears to be some kind of thread-safe issue going on. I have a number of threads that are monitoring various items, waking up a differing intervals to do their respective tasks. Do I need to put in a global mutex so that the threads never attempt to make simultaneous system() calls? Curiously, only this particular system() call appears to be causing a core. In UNIX it is not safe to perform arbitrary actions after forking a multi-threaded process. You're basically expected to call exec soon after the fork, although you can do certain other work if you are very careful. The reason for this is that after the fork, only one thread will be running in the child, and if that thread tries to acquire a lock or other formerly-shared resource it may deadlock or crash, because the child process is no longer accessing the same memory location as the threads in the parent process (it gets a separate copy of the address space at the time of fork, which may not be in a consistent state from the point of view of the thread library). Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 15:57:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942BA106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tajudd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A78FC27 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2417044pxi.7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:57:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=olMAcWfVkx8Ou2v5qCZQyx1QWjqjtxv89gViznju2Ec=; b=qve15o5LHNWiX08wspGLM7psQs2km8iAzLy8+8fCzA5XsHcHRXKx48LiU7v6EW8wWM kbL6wPm/mdcmVkb0XIpulFAq2Q/8/WifnO6Cp8D8DEBCdJGHokCyiWqAJjPMpgcl2oB4 ZDLvy9o345i4LBTIjc830uYbeyUVK+753wfvE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=gwO+3TbBN+5BhDyZGCmQy0gbIuUoVn9ffss5X6+GhMkDp3I7sN72u5otPTOCLUJQm1 vhNGwaoyclr29Q/WJTP/+sqA9yDeiY6GFMCIMo/6gfky5XiC7nkWPwGmVJx0xPmx7luL MCZFsVx4PysomIlUevQ8RxSR9AcabBbofykT0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.39.23 with SMTP id r23mr3493161waj.2.1257004671718; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AEC2B73.3020505@covertinferno.org> References: <4AEC1729.6000307@posteurs.com> <4AEC28B1.5050103@otenet.gr> <4AEC2B73.3020505@covertinferno.org> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:57:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: Tim Judd To: phantomcircuit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to install/update software and firewall choice X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:57:53 -0000 On 10/31/09, phantomcircuit wrote: > freebsd-update works fine in a jail so long as you symlink the kernel > file to /dev/null I've never needed to do that. I run lots of jails and i just run freebsd-update like normal. I don't install the kern sets in the jails though, just base. cat base.?? | tar -xzf - -C /jails/jail0.sample ## setup /etc/resolv.conf in the jail ## run freebsd-update from within the jail ## it patches and runs fine. ## this is not the documented way to do it, but I haven't yet had problems with it. ## world for the jails will take about 128MB of disk space, any services you add are on top of that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 16:00:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72611065670 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A57D88FC1A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 81123 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2009 16:00:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1257004806; bh=v7iMYzIY8j3SqX2wQG730Pb3k+9YYAPRULKqa76iZBQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dAeNMY83CbDdlM1JSqI3P2zcPKXDL0ZtYO/wblPynQ1p03Z+9a0cPdpjmhruHVX/E9AEA6qygXUTbzY3VSOco7thIawZwalNwKzxIKlgEA2b5ajzHH4XjQ9k0BncThnoDBpeJtPb3nWKMtZPrI4CuJ+0cWdc4OPg9KiIjZWKT68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=x+YiW9nY9i8cpy0DQL2GRD/r49UomhnvOEEPKJ73hUhoHT0YQAYTf29FnJw45uE4K6oyDg40t18FlgYOz6q3s156THALWlEfiTNznQV7b8Nh9jpoj1ybjaSiDHnOhV51qkfumxJB2OTYdcXSMlvGATDkJwuWwuCS87PJrD7lB7U=; Message-ID: <82804.79685.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: E3ic02cVM1lvjjMNu2YpGmC0NFA69PGHD5imdyzBwrPnKe0REqvUbjEFU_MX0nTI1jipW9KPrtXiamHyeOFVSnRoGlxpEcaHlNw5ghNP2HZdSJYYYbjPqtTIZclCsV0T55rA7.2ttguQ0Isud3qvRwy5cOVfsbyQQOyZE5NUHrU0Booi0S64fjfFqEgkmgrI0IoWY5kDnqaqyh.q7LyjAbvk9nKybFyt3r9SoByitOGFMOKAXXHvfvZKXbsre3gu6CNSXNFR845cnBNn6Wuyxs9tRsHRuZbIBhPlkxMY21264OftTud8B6WFHjpNIfzMmNWa3RW4_PRr1DHTk9PduxRMe76Q1J0mcA..4236VCO1NUyQ5mQwGV33119609Huwc8puAxoLFW56hBZ9O224frQ5g0ARCoTtUohDza.rfOsxad5H0UhzGWGCxe5ZMaTXPzIocs4E9Sj6WY1zCwKVsFyKjbeDw-- Received: from [78.131.57.57] by web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:00:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: dhcpd related issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:00:07 -0000 Hello,=0A=0AI just configured my dhcpd but it gives no IP-s.=0AWhat had I d= one until now:=0A=0A 1. Installed isc-dhcp via ports=0A=0A2. edited the /us= r/local/etc/dhcpd.conf=0A=0Aoption domain-name "bsd";=0Aoption domain-name-= servers ; =0Aoption subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;=0Aauthorit= ative;=0A=0Adefault-lease-time 3600;=0Amax-lease-time 86400;=0Addns-update-= style none;=0A=0Asubnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {=0Arange 192.168= .1.129 192.168.1.250;=0Aoption routers 192.168.1.1;=0A}=0A =0A3. Added the = following ones to /etc/rc.conf=0Aifconfig_rl1=3D"inet 192.168.1.1 netmask = 255.255.255.0"=0Adhcpd_enable=3D"YES"=0Adhcpd_conf=3D"/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.= conf"=0Adhcpd_ifaces=3D"rl1"=0A=0A=0A4. Opened the adequate port in pf=0Apa= ss in log on rl1 inet proto tcp from 192.168.1.0/24 to 192.168.1.1 port =3D= bootps flags S/SA keep state=0Apass in log on rl1 inet proto udp from 192.= 168.1.0/24 to 192.168.1.1 port =3D bootps keep state=0A=0A5.. When I start = de daemon:=0A# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/isc-dhcpd start=0AStarting dhcpd.=0AInte= rnet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.7=0ACopyright 2004-2008 Internet S= ystems Consortium.=0AAll rights reserved.=0AFor info, please visit http://w= ww.isc.org/sw/dhcp/=0AWrote 0 leases to leases file.=0AListening on Socket/= rl1/192.168.1/24=0ASending on Socket/rl1/192.168.1/24=0A=0AEverythings lo= oks to be ok there but on the client (I tried OS-X and Nokia symbian) I can= not obtain the IP address, do you have any idea what should I check?=0A=0A= =0AThanks!=0ALaci=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 16:10:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE09106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root.vagner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADA58FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4735667bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=q0GBnxJ0/39zMis+7lDpKEYRpBNw7FRkNhSFWszrj8g=; b=KeFSNpQ75upUq/1MvDYivEXupJE8+xVEZ2SbNo/HzWYLFcW7RTMveIdDte+5fH331o FyxXq3T0tLN5WoGHikdjSUJmHtGtpG5fZlNMMoXYADqn2manXbQyDVg/tIZdH4mthiyf sSp8X19svr0MOU4wwCCG8TuaClYzy7qO7fP3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=lrZMlolMqA10HefZeMm1n3JQYQz3NJYmRJYi+4tt+ZhadsJBtln6jombdJqeAbB98z JwDtqOSh1xpVrmZAY4ZVsNqqI4SWTF4933n2K78ecbEch+g7v9lweZUwRbETHinoC96E PGnp5QBc5SJSaTIVDAlLBx0TR3gSVTGB05TBk= Received: by 10.204.34.5 with SMTP id j5mr2268171bkd.5.1257005399680; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.vagner@gmail.com ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 19sm2098656fkr.53.2009.10.31.09.09.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by root.vagner@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:09:52 +0300 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:09:52 +0300 From: Vagner To: FreeBSD questions Mail List Message-ID: <20091031160952.GA8233@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: dhcpd related issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:10:02 -0000 What shows tcpdump? -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. IM: 328585847 mob. phone: +79525600664 email: root.vagner@gmail.com email: vagner_rider@bk.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 16:13:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDB1106568D for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gibblertron@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B518FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so2429131pzk.7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:13:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qDQDUoc82LiKLywFyfcbFdkUAo2K9ovL3ev/Xpd/VOE=; b=fa5QNU4XchFpoyOsLWKQ6WoV3nGaUBfKl90UC6x2N5xSQWecRnP3dZiTydAP6xf+DH ZhTK1Ju2yZ7XBjqWI8iPtCstTlLVdJFBz+enIJHYHLLHVfL5+GvnIC2gGXzzGzerWkF8 y7dxnMS6ewPswUKBWzmbm2g2OaCpDXkO6z4E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ro0Pq2e6Px9FYQ27avRWZevW9u7L8j5dGzEHqtLY9NMR1rLW6OcO/Gf/bdxEaUapI8 LfSN+3R3MjSpomAqrVT+VMYntw5LoGouYjPSrKxXdpUZr2HJ80Ap1V0sQRKc6Cj4CN5T HiYVZlC7o/XgGf29SQuOcEtnrJS79A5MQ0n10= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.195.7 with SMTP id s7mr270451wff.130.1257005622474; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:13:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091030034812.GU29215@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20091030034812.GU29215@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: patrick To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Get the cwd of a process? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:43 -0000 Thanks for the info! It works in my test case, but this spammer popped again, and unfortunately, I still couldn't reveal the source: The ps listing shows: www 29488 5.7 0.2 14144 5360 ?? Ss 7:47AM 37:24.83 ./jug.pl (perl5.8.8) And the lsof -p 29488 -a -d cwd only shows: COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME perl5.8.8 29488 www cwd VDIR 0,83 512 2 / I don't understand how the cwd could be /, as there was no jug.pl there, and the www user cannot write to the root. Could there be another trick being employed? I'm actually a little puzzled by the ps listing. It shows the interpreter at the end in parentheses, but if I invoke a similarly-named script from the shell, it lists it as "/usr/bin/perl ./jug.pl". I also cannot find any traces of these perl scripts anywhere on the machine, though my tests show that you can safely delete the script after it is loaded by the interpreter. *trying something...* Okay, so I've written a little script to reproduce what I'm seeing: #!/usr/bin/perl $pid =3D fork(); if ($pid) { unlink("test.pl"); exit(0); } else { chdir "/"; print "Hello world\n"; sleep 300; } This must be what is happening. When I do an lsof, I get: COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME perl5.8.8 95492 patrick cwd VDIR 0,83 512 2 / And there's no trace left of my script because I unlink()ed it. This seems like it's going to be awfully hard to track down. I've gone through every access_log to see if I can see anything suspicious. So far, nothing yet, but I guess I'll keep plugging away at it. *sigh* Patrick On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Dan Nelson wrote= : > In the last episode (Oct 29), patrick said: >> Is there any way to get the cwd of a process? We had the situation >> recently where a perl script was called from an infiltrated Wordpress >> installation, but we weren't able to determine which of the hundreds of >> Wordpress blogs was the source. =A0The ps listing showed: >> >> www =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 63968 =A02.4 =A00.2 26092 =A05008 =A0?? =A0R= s =A0 =A05:36PM 93:10.67 ./mrf.pl (perl5.8.8) >> >> The procfs entry was no help because it does not seem to provide a cwd. >> The cmdline entry just showed "/usr/local/bin/perl ./mrf.pl". >> >> We had to kill the process, and who ever was responsible did a good job = of >> hiding their tracks. =A0But should this happen again (and we expect it >> will), we'd like to be able to find the source. > > /usr/bin/fstat will tell you the inode of the cwd, and you can use "find > =A0-inum" to locate it. =A0You can also install lsof from ports, which wi= ll dig > into the kernel and try and fetch the name itself: > > (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> fstat -p $$ | grep wd > dan =A0 =A0 =A0zsh =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077611 =A0 wd / =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0474264 dr= wxr-xr-x =A0 =A0 533 =A0r > (dan@dan.21) /home/dan> lsof -p $$ -a -d cwd > COMMAND =A0 PID USER =A0 FD =A0 TYPE =A0 =A0 =A0 DEVICE SIZE/OFF =A0 NODE= NAME > zsh =A0 =A0 77611 =A0dan =A0cwd =A0 VDIR 60,504234031 =A0 =A0 =A0533 4742= 64 /usr/home/dan > > > -- > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dan Nelson > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dnelson@allantgroup.com > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 16:33:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FB9106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99A28FC16 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CA638E55; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.fas.com (c-76-26-200-187.hsd1.sc.comcast.net [76.26.200.187]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F313330C60; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1N4Gsz-0006eo-00; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:33:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:33:05 -0500 From: stan To: Robert Joosten Message-ID: <20091031163305.GB25469@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Joosten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> <20091031151921.GB15538@ismet.erje.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091031151921.GB15538@ismet.erje.net> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 11:28:02 up 31 days, 18:41, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.04 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:33:07 -0000 On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 04:19:21PM +0100, Robert Joosten wrote: > Hi, > > > Which of these does FreebSD run well under? > > It runs okay under virtualbox. > OK, thanks. I tried this a couple of months ago, and had troube witj either OpenBSD, or FrebSD under VirtualBox. Given your commnet, my problems must have been with OpenBSD. -- One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 16:40:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1871065676 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FA318FC17 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 98483 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2009 16:40:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1257007248; bh=9KZwG7rmIPLNu1HIAPwxtzyZ7sPNm/75ht9BK2lB1SU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mzfJxt5PGP3e9YvqvocfdtFBBnOUirMtz+kypjGCQ+2Q4xRAI/acPvdGxBwfjITN2r3JD/epSTPwJAzB5rIz20jITjmHpuuddDsjfjpIOwSuWC6c6xw7oqxuG7quUq1fTqeHEYBh7dIJzFrRcXloBmb1XNyqRty8JTr/jXsi2nQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: dhcpd related issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:40:49 -0000 I tried this one:=0A# tcpdump -n -e -ttt -r /var/log/pflog port 67=0Areadin= g from file /var/log/pflog, link-type PFLOG (OpenBSD pflog file)=0A=0AAnd i= t shows nothing.=0ADo you have any other idea what should I try?=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Vagner =0ATo: FreeBSD questions Mail List =0ASent= : Sat, October 31, 2009 5:09:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: dhcpd related issue=0A=0A= What shows tcpdump?=0A=0A-- =0ARespectfully,=0AStanislav Putrya=0ASystem ad= ministrator=0A"RMK Kovsh" Ltd.=0AIM: 328585847=0Amob. phone: +79525600664= =0Aemail: root.vagner@gmail.com=0Aemail: vagner_rider@bk.ru=0A=0A----------= ------------------------------=0A( ) ASCII ribbon campaign=0A X - against= HTML, vCards and=0A/ \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail=0A_____________= __________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing = list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo uns= ubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A= =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 17:16:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34998106566B for ; 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Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:44:23 +0000 Message-ID: From: Rui Costa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Installation freezes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:16:54 -0000 When installing freebsd, after menu option selection, the boot process freezes at: md0: Preloaded image 4194304 bytes at 0xffffffff80c4be40 ATA PseudoRAID loaded flowtable cleaner started warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 Start_init: trying /sbin/init Start_init: trying /sbin/oinit Start_init: trying /sbin/init.bak Start_init: trying /rescue/init Start_init: trying /stand/sysinstall It is a laptop clevo M540SR with chipset VIA VN896. Bios options are very limited, so I can't disabled USB ( as I've seen here http://blog.elitecoderz.net/freebsd-freezes-on-trying-to-mount-root-from-ufsdevmd0-and-is-stucked/2009/01/ ). It freezes on every version after 6.4, which is the only I can install (that way, upgrading to 7.0 went flawlessly, but after that, updating to 7.2 gives boot freeze again ) I already tried some boot hints with any success such as: set hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 set hint.kbdmux.0.disabled=1 set hint.apic.0.disabled=1 set hint.sio.0.disabled=1 set hint.sio.1.disabled=1 set hint.fdc.0.disabled=1 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 17:57:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7724E106566C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eforezz@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044AC8FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4814403bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:message-id; bh=l+K5mB42OdKVXPAEdhlhlB+5Kk9QKg6i8uTEa/Ef8pc=; b=b8d70QGXlMKitovW8tLTMqCkzuad4ZQB0pIfoV+MgRmxn07tba9gzCeYMIjkqBq4Sp YJ4chZ/D+7VBg75kpZWgTfmpmp/LcBKIF63o4EkGbIz5tbe6RSL7lHSlw0gxubUmBtmF 7URxpfuvWUlt0A9Ac248pJ1aUZd0KY37TAKNk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=Xxyyc4g4p1usBtdnwFJypQeyESVc9xqbeTq+jO6R7/gLsgEPrJ/H+GIuJeWfFjeOMQ 66m6Nqpinw4Y2cWPMyxkONo8tZKWHXjPo1h7TIk5+nr03paTsgB04g4/pJ1CCztu7gJ2 P8BxI3ZgQenWvG4tYoRn/fjRm/3lS88KEPOeY= Received: by 10.102.170.12 with SMTP id s12mr1269289mue.12.1257011824957; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uo-dialup-1.txnet.com (uo-dialup-1.txnet.com [212.1.98.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10sm4747768muh.30.2009.10.31.10.57.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: EforeZZ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:57:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910311957.13922.EforeZZ@gmail.com> Subject: UVC Webcam under Qemu/Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:57:06 -0000 Hi, Have anyone succeeded using the USB UVC webcam under qemu (in Windows under Qemu because there are drivers for the webcam in Windows)? I tried and it almost worked. The webcam's led lighted up but I never got the image from the webcam and Windows told that the device (webcam) is not working. -- EforeZZ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 17:59:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32AD1065692 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy.belk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f178.google.com (mail-yw0-f178.google.com [209.85.211.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF648FC16 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh8 with SMTP id 8so3639021ywh.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Y4fbGbPlIDH7706ReXkUO9g8K17TmPKywRr65q6s8A0=; b=aY448tLEcr+UNiWie8iEtkp3HV/+DbSNR22Q1MacRO10l+fB0ZIRw3Sih+xc7D1Ec0 TafA/RywIsnC73kfZIMg4AsKHMSxdeotbrIns+paxgAJk05RgaTYOC6VAsCoot+swEyF 28WKv+YsGKDEZVYkn8L0dUtCdEDuMNVjkzkXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=j5Q76URlIa4VjbDqU4z9wBH3bxx3piHYya02Nd+FFZrvSzdtqgr1TJXbLDQOvLH5Yb j+qfNKUoh806hZKOOVuGgB5C1yjH/DZs3QHbZJLUJXm+zGRaqzIYU7NImTJ5YyL3vci6 a/FVRq+43HokIkA42Wf3XEtMxVmh0nplIf2C4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.125.3 with SMTP id x3mr5434106ybc.28.1257011997757; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:59:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> References: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> From: Randy Belk Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <946140ad0910311059k34ca7c30tc32239fc257d7577@mail.gmail.com> To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:59:58 -0000 On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM, stan wrote: > I am planing on rebuilding my laptop shortly. I am going to put Ubuntu 9.10 > on as the base OS, and I want to be able to run various versions of FreebSD > as guest OS'es under one of the free (EG not VMWare) virtual machine > choices. > > Which of these does FreebSD run well under? > > -- > One of the main causes of the fall of the roman empire was that, lacking > zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C > programs. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I have tried FreeBSD 7.2 on both VmWare and Virtualbox. Just make sure you have NTP running, I have experienced time issues. , -- - Amiga, The Computer for the creative Mind! - UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. - People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use BSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 18:04:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8C7106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:04:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root.vagner@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8348FC1E for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4819505bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:04:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=m5qbnR+nPUt8Zuo/wA/JRRCVWVjOWwaIeNSS2uIHsdo=; b=xsMOCXs3R80uIpcnSG+YvUcjj/FHpbY75GvIx37Cqb/nNYDBst6p180NETg7+c3cJJ dnhk6kiWJbRaPB9QM75z4M+jgmLj9G8ShlCYYewMr3eo2nVlXYMhjNP02+Ef/lqZIuEc kHqu91Pxnx4qu7pMZWtwqiStdZ9V1zc01i/8M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=lyjHjyAXuyMgHErTVHfCzPH9l4VPvFhD02mQAjeWCKWzGz2hThSCoz8Ef7uUSd9kHQ 0GCvqoKBAzO+sFogkCQr1nnLLSYRJ/+mrYDIthISWfDa/eYj6vFE4t8mpyTgv8w7z0Bb uRua9oUJ208i2JCx2iBImdiqNdebz5DH6CYxY= Received: by 10.204.148.69 with SMTP id o5mr2331117bkv.99.1257012240265; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root.vagner@gmail.com ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm3353190fkt.11.2009.10.31.11.03.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by root.vagner@gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:03:54 +0300 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:03:54 +0300 From: Vagner To: FreeBSD questions Mail List Message-ID: <20091031180354.GA8941@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: dhcpd related issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:04:02 -0000 You can analyze all the traffic going from the client to DHCP server. If this is of course really... -- Respectfully, Stanislav Putrya System administrator "RMK Kovsh" Ltd. IM: 328585847 mob. phone: +79525600664 email: root.vagner@gmail.com email: vagner_rider@bk.ru ---------------------------------------- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign X - against HTML, vCards and / \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 18:10:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEB31065694 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B5C8FC1E for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4824052bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uz+lrOzuzDj3PexqLlpbuH7IiJekskibNUoBbz/3EeU=; b=oVXDVlYknyWcnYvrBF2v9Ip72nstmV+kgK/xTIqKmqrwDgCFuyxCbmN3sERPIuordx HrXHJ9Hnp2QmNrtPl5BlXvzB/twoLZP/t71sFJz9CKT1Cj0s0gR266y2BHZjuEtNn/GR yQpHAJk0BA6vRYb0E9I4l/YKg1d3yUHnPttaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tYapoZWDxGUPR5ujXclEo2TDl5pK3X2CNRQIlUoPEcEe3MyUkXemq6/2nb2pQaUkvm XX6+SqvQlYaIbxDlvpo+x6rMDNpoeq2JMICVYM24mAg7oDt9vZ5zTNB7E9W/2helkgff WJczwz8SpYDeT05RJ7eYWa0jW20/zIOWPA3NA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr2368011bkb.1.1257012615231; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <20091027213134.GA85815@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200910272046.00289.gnemmi@gmail.com> <20091028021417.GA93608@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <57d710000910271930u79b618f6m2bae6cf5c3c8fa83@mail.gmail.com> <4AE94914.2090905@locolomo.org> <877hue9o93.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4AE9D708.2010900@locolomo.org> <20091029182739.GA22923@ei.bzerk.org> <20091029145843.Q98757@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:09:55 +0000 Message-ID: To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: utisoft@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:16 -0000 2009/10/29 Lars Eighner : > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ruben de Groot wrote: > >> sendmail is NOT a legacy application. It's actively being developed >> ON FreeBSD. Actually, the maintainer(s) are doing a great job > > Bullshit. > > Why does sendmail call up the internet during boot? =A0If it needs to kno= w who > it is, why can't it look in hosts? =A0Since it cannot be trusted to send = mail, > what does it need to know from the internet? =A0It has been horribly brok= en > for the 15 years or so that I have run FBSD, and this m4 stuff is a pile = of > crap. =A0There is no documentation whatsoever. =A0Unless you buy a book f= rom > O'Reilly and line the pockets of the "maintainer(s)." =A0Why can't it be = a > option to configure the system without it? =A0Not any money in that, is t= here? > What's wrong with 'this m4 stuff'? The documentation can be found in one of many of these links: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dsendmail.mc Chris --=20 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 18:38:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58291065676 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6676B8FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 47374 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2009 18:38:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1257014338; bh=wNUEwxoqZ0wmw2itSt/iOrnhnH2TDEo6llT+Evy4dXk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5277m7WXe/4yPDLTIZAxqaiHA7DwLnVXe3iAiRjWY+QoNCyPqOdXHqJlmgowkV/w+MfpmQeNrip9wMWzkt32AvyA51h/UmO8Hyil2Ki6w28/fQbjYXJmzyHz+sEOmME4DQZI3kSrmMO/ZmAfI2yACRlXAnS9xBJFnrDwyZRRDZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fs+IKPsEcmqAPyiDdN78vml9RpIU9sdfys2eQv6QrIgKp6Dh4e+q7eUeU375VYtybYVXdP+XXBgiLK1zNrpa1kDxRZ+fc2OnLOb7/tCKH1dIDLMfhxkqs+283VVtlk8w+Pbvpxl2r0xgQ9G3qBLTbMnCVVKAFpi31Xt1YpOqb7E=; Message-ID: <446783.47207.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: InFJZogVM1mzhMam_b4MVDkKD1maVMoUdAOVAhmwZ9P0JDi4zSJ1at47FlnmuuJ0absNEYyedXJ28xcTFB3g47Wc_Tt_PypiqhJan4P3YRvFNdiig5Ypm1Wm8yU64wGxwyEiiGrgFY3GBsS_4GLoysWsn3nw4DnfRZmytX40EeiBRQHUMrA.x.tGriuK8yejvM09zXA3Mlxmmx5lvQmT8Fs3vyC4oQQfKuOKKrDPkKL6S39dqlrsjC_ywKZKR5KFnpeaOQxFrOZkLp.Tzal2k8vOYgOPDYH_Icy0FU8ZWtK99PnfAbEwsHHC5v6xogKx_VrLYzMLewqxiybdhlO0UVWunsqNeNxbhiuJl_Oiq0IlvlHm2VyWr6X2kSQ4XoKSL9R5JwM5vIP6NJR7T6XNvdV_W_wD2j_Tgxbhnj6r9w-- Received: from [78.131.57.57] by web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:38:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <20091031180354.GA8941@vagner.bsd.loc> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= To: FreeBSD questions Mail List In-Reply-To: <20091031180354.GA8941@vagner.bsd.loc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: dhcpd related issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:38:59 -0000 Ok, I found this one on my Mac=0A=0AMacBook configd[13]: DHCP en1: INIT tra= nsmit failed=0A=0AI googled but yet I haven't found any good idea.=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Vagner =0ATo: FreeBSD questions Mail List =0ASent= : Sat, October 31, 2009 7:03:54 PM=0ASubject: Re: dhcpd related issue=0A=0A= You can analyze all the traffic going from the client to DHCP server. If=0A= this is of course really...=0A=0A-- =0ARespectfully,=0AStanislav Putrya=0AS= ystem administrator=0A"RMK Kovsh" Ltd.=0AIM: 328585847=0Amob. phone: +79525= 600664=0Aemail: root.vagner@gmail.com=0Aemail: vagner_rider@bk.ru=0A=0A----= ------------------------------------=0A( ) ASCII ribbon campaign=0A X - a= gainst HTML, vCards and=0A/ \ - proprietary attachments in e-mail=0A_______= ________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org ma= iling list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0A= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0A=0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 19:22:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AF5106566C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from smtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D80E58FC14 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6214 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 12:59:17 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6205, pid: 6206, t: 2.2050s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on smtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=13.5 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5QDjORE4gdyGPyH9IvYA:9 a=q518WXigdaSnttLGdz-Y2a3fXokA:4 Received: from unknown (HELO blacklamb.mykitchentable.net) (69.62.230.77) by smtp1 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 12:59:14 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.2.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B197B164A64 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1257016956; bh=3FnK8PyPUeKa3fyISnHA+pIvdrN6C2ayvd/EDuqVqEI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2G3IxiQLxfbudmd5eHoNdVT4FcB2e71Pmx7M6WlCSJ4L1H2ILce9v/4OyjtbsOeFe 6fUYr/E/mLvw6DL/J3iLHKtB7vLFKh4LlmpPl535tTPTd50frUUskXQgwKLpJ+ok8d J1O+DNgjHLrbGnXNLhU1Sbf+XFDe09ATM0/cpbz4= Message-ID: <4AEC8E77.40704@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:22:31 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091030-0, 10/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: vim Keybindings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:22:44 -0000 I'm experiencing an annoying problem with vim on FBSD 8 that I don't have on FBSD 7. Whenever I start vim, if I press the down arrow as the first key, it deletes the first line of my file and enters insert mode. All the other keys work fine and even the down arrow works fine after the first press. I've searched for help but haven't turned up anything relevant. Any ideas on what I can check? Thanks, Drew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 19:55:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2801065670 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Jzfk9@aol.com) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56B18FC12 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9VJjjv1006405 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:45 -0400 Received: from Jzfk9@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id n.bc9.5abd00cb (37690) for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([86.99.72.87]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB086-933a4aec93de65; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:45:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:45:10 +0400 From: Jozsef To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091031194510.GA3892@eltorito.h> References: <4AEC8E77.40704@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4AEC8E77.40704@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-AOL-IP: 86.99.72.87 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: Jzfk9@aol.com Subject: Re: vim Keybindings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:55:52 -0000 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I'm experiencing an annoying problem with vim on FBSD 8 that I don't > have on FBSD 7. Whenever I start vim, if I press the down arrow as > the first key, it deletes the first line of my file and enters > insert mode. All the other keys work fine and even the down arrow > works fine after the first press. > > I've searched for help but haven't turned up anything relevant. Any > ideas on what I can check? > > Thanks, > > Drew > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Must be a bug. Try to remove it and to install again. Can't remember anything else if your .vimrc is OK. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web & Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | jzfk9@aol.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 20:04:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98B11065697 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jille@quis.cx) Received: from istud.quis.cx (56-64-223.ftth.xms.internl.net [85.223.64.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934B98FC14 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unknown [192.168.0.4]) by istud.quis.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954B8610913; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:49:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AEC94A9.1050309@quis.cx> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:48:57 +0100 From: Jille Timmermans User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Hans Petter Selasky Subject: Gnokii with USB2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:04:43 -0000 I'm trying to read the SMS of my telephone using comms/gnokii. But I can't figure out which 'port' (thing in /dev) I must pass to gnokii. /dev/usb/0.2.{0,1,2}, /dev/ugen0.2, /dev/da0, /dev/pass0 all didn't work (Yes, I know trying da0 was not a really smart/safe idea). But those are the only new devices which showed up after connecting the USB-cable. My ~/.gnokiirc: [global] port = /dev/usb/0.2.1 model = AT connection = serial [logging] debug = on OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT r193930 of June 10 Telephone: LG K800 -- Jille From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 20:18:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53518106568B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25F78FC08 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091031201821.BGR17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:18:21 +0000 Received: from [81.105.214.168] (helo=laptop.piggybox) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N4KOz-0001UQ-Od for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:18:21 +0000 Received: from laptop.piggybox (localhost.piggybox [127.0.0.1]) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9VJILII004556 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:18:21 GMT (envelope-from peter@laptop.piggybox) Received: (from peter@localhost) by laptop.piggybox (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n9VJILNq004555 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:18:21 GMT (envelope-from peter) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:18:20 +0000 From: Peter Harrison To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20091031191820.GA4547@laptop.piggybox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2slq2cvMejMA:10 a=eaqJCEiLQBp4f8uKuk4A:9 a=y9uR_XGF_2HfH3vWwJIA:7 a=h8-btkwm5gYKAySJ9L9LI45iCLYA:4 Cc: Subject: Problem installing dvdauthor... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:18:24 -0000 Hi all, Can anyone advise what I'm doing wrong trying to install multimedia/dvdauthor. Here's the end of the error: if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DSYSCONFDIR="\"/usr/local/etc\"" -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/ImageMagick -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/fribidi -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -Wall -DICONV_CONV=yes -MT subreader.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/subreader.Tpo" -c -o subreader.o subreader.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/subreader.Tpo" ".deps/subreader.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/subreader.Tpo"; exit 1; fi subreader.c: In function 'sub_read_line_aqt': subreader.c:661: warning: comparison with string literal results in unspecified behaviour subreader.c:661: warning: comparison with string literal results in unspecified behaviour subreader.c: In function 'sub_read_line_subrip09': subreader.c:717: warning: comparison with string literal results in unspecified behaviour subreader.c: In function 'sub_fribidi': subreader.c:1082: error: 'FRIBIDI_TRUE' undeclared (first use in this function) subreader.c:1082: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once subreader.c:1082: error: for each function it appears in.) subreader.c:1083: error: 'FRIBIDI_FALSE' undeclared (first use in this function) subreader.c:1102: warning: passing argument 3 of 'fribidi_log2vis' from incompatible pointer type gmake[2]: *** [subreader.o] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/dvdauthor/work/dvdauthor-0.6.14/src' gmake[1]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/dvdauthor/work/dvdauthor-0.6.14/src' gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 *** Error code 1 This is on: FreeBSD laptop.piggybox 7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Sat Oct 10 13:54:52 BST 2009 root@laptop.piggybox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP i386 With a ports tree updated last night. What am I missing? Thanks for the help. Peter Harrison. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 20:52:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360921065676 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from psteele@maxiscale.com) Received: from server505.appriver.com (server505c.appriver.com [98.129.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AB78FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:52:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Policy: GLOBAL - maxiscale.com X-Primary: psteele@maxiscale.com X-Note: This Email was scanned by AppRiver SecureTide X-ALLOW: psteele@maxiscale.com ALLOWED X-Virus-Scan: V- X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: X-Country-Path: UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES->UNITED STATES X-Note-Sending-IP: 98.129.23.15 X-Note-Reverse-DNS: ht02.exg5.exghost.com X-Note-WHTLIST: psteele@maxiscale.com X-Note: User Rule Hits: X-Note: Global Rule Hits: 112 113 114 115 119 120 131 217 X-Note: Mail Class: ALLOWEDSENDER X-Note: Headers Injected Received: from [98.129.23.15] (HELO ht02.exg5.exghost.com) by server505.appriver.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTPS id 15241268 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:52:40 -0500 Received: from mbx03.exg5.exghost.com ([169.254.1.128]) by ht02.exg5.exghost.com ([98.129.23.15]) with mapi; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:52:39 -0500 From: Peter Steele To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:52:37 -0500 Thread-Topic: system() call causes core dump Thread-Index: AcpaQrT779TEb05gRx2ytH1rxPJaigAKGE/A Message-ID: <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB327D11A9@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com> References: <7B9397B189EB6E46A5EE7B4C8A4BB7CB327D117F@MBX03.exg5.exghost.com> <4AEC5E02.8040705@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4AEC5E02.8040705@FreeBSD.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: system() call causes core dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:52:41 -0000 >In UNIX it is not safe to perform arbitrary actions after forking a multi-= threaded process. You're basically expected to call exec soon after the fo= rk, although >you can do certain other work if you are very careful. >The reason for this is that after the fork, only one thread will be runnin= g in the child, and if that thread tries to acquire a lock or other formerl= y-shared resource >it may deadlock or crash, because the child process is no longer accessing= the same memory location as the threads in the parent process (it gets a s= eparate copy >of the address space at the time of fork, which may not be in a consistent= state from the point of view of the thread library). I am not calling fork explicitly. The thread I'm running in was created wit= h pthread_create(). The fork() in the stack trace in my original email is b= eing called by the system() function as it spawns off the process it is sup= posed want to run. Is there a safe way to call system() within a pthread? T= he app has several such threads doing various monitoring actions, some call= ing functions using system(), others invoking various C library routines. T= he parent process where these threads were spawned from is basically sleepi= ng, waking up only periodically to check for shutdown events. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 21:14:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18993106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787D8FC0A for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9VLEQCg055157; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n9VLEQVW055154; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: stan In-Reply-To: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: References: <20091031151452.GB23459@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:14:28 -0000 On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, stan wrote: > I am planing on rebuilding my laptop shortly. I am going to put Ubuntu 9.10 > on as the base OS, and I want to be able to run various versions of FreebSD > as guest OS'es under one of the free (EG not VMWare) virtual machine > choices. > > Which of these does FreebSD run well under? Although I can't say I've tested it much, FreeBSD 7 seems to run fine on qemu. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 21:55:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD60106566C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0128FC17 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2504304pxi.7 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:55:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=Yue6Cxt/i3sJylexYafMgj+GDUdg/QKe0nayhemEV8I=; b=raV+ADE88heTvWKwj/zgBe51vpTohuBR55f9elr9u2p9qrosoDmwJB02R8oM/UiBeW 4edkNg3FnNZVvXvr5mU6/OwUVTT+PGSTs6eLIRTqNLTuJuLGb9E1XVKErzqcdZQRa5o6 ax1RuqCaF3M1FVEezv7r1jADwDYoyEDSuJj2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ozQPgHVjONAqR8vMaOd8lLnIzutnl8XX3rqbpHhG1aLC45hQAZM4qmnU9xOI4ErtKW ZCJF8SZwMo9m2KQjnXMTsAEuZ0uVYt20oHagiBD3CnvKWyB+6lhxkEAeffKUXDa9F3Rm lEkfmdou4W4xKLdMzafTv0lEdhsfvqkujVGJk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sektie@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.152.26 with SMTP id z26mr290935wfd.324.1257026106940; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:55:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910301134.34071.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <6B0BC25C3907417B8B994665E23677BA@ois.lt> <200910301134.34071.lists@jnielsen.net> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:55:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9080398cddd3416c Message-ID: From: Randi Harper To: John Nielsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Vadim Maksimenko , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failure to do netinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:55:07 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM, John Nielsen wrote: > On Friday 30 October 2009 03:12:29 Vadim Maksimenko wrote: > > I have faced an unpleasant fact that your netinstall ability of 7.2 > > RELEASE and 8.0-RC2 are dead. My network card is being identified and > > initialized properly (an old 3com980), it gets DHCP setup (IP, gateway, > DNS > > info is ok), but... That's all that is done properly. When I try to > select > > any flavor of network install, it crashes with a message like "Cannot > > connect bla bla bla: the connect is in wrong state." > > I just did a network installation of 8.0-RC2 yesterday (albeit from an > 8.0-RC1 > bootonly CD) so I'm fairly certain it's not totally broken. Since you > apparently got a valid DHCP lease on your NIC it's probably not the card or > the driver that's broken either > > > What should I do now if I want to install FreeBSD via network and have > > no option of changing the hardware? > > We need to figure out what _is_ wrong. Can you provide more details of the > exact steps you took during the setup? Do you have the exact error message? > > Guessing wildly, it's entirely possible that sysinstall got confused at > some > point. Did you have to repeat the network configuration or FTP server > selection? Did you try repeating the installation after a reboot? > > JN You might also try enabling debugging messages and seeing what's on the next tty over when it fails. -- randi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 22:03:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D0F1065742 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp110.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 708CB8FC18 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52948 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 21:36:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stan , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: What VM does FreeBSD run well under X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:03:12 -0000 Virtual Box runs it great, both as a host and a guest (its also in the port collection) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 22:15:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB061065670 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sektie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f190.google.com (mail-px0-f190.google.com [209.85.216.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DD18FC0C for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so2508580pxi.7 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 6.4 can't load kernel after upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:15:39 -0000 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:20 PM, oscar Seo wrote: > I'm a beginner in freebsd. > my machine consists of freebsd-6.4 + i386 bootstrap loader,+ windowmaker > after upgrade freebsd-6.4 using sysinstall then reboot the system, > I got an error message as follows > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > Unable to load a kernel! > / > can't load 'kernel' > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > OK _ > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > so I decided to reinstall freebsd-6.4 but I can't boot and re-install > freebsd using CD-rom. > what shall I do boot my system using installed freebsd or live-CD ? > Thanks... For future reference, while upgrading via sysinstall is possible, it's best to use something like freebsd-update, which is included in base. I can't recall off the top of my head if upgrading via sysinstall moves the kernel to kernel.old or not. Good luck with that. You may be best off using livefs and trying to repair with that. -- randi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 31 22:17:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E948106566B for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wtf.jlaine@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2548FC13 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4982980bwz.3 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:cc :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-operating-system; bh=CvLI6Bxs27g9xLpr9SSuXBKQgp+A7Skdq6162maHJnc=; b=ij0G4uouBiVVObuBdG1Hvkvnc+PKplXAoo4g709MiGpIpgR2RvK4fN/JKeDChjvrhc TH5Ky3NaY/XpwcZJm9VI4u3x1RUL7qFD+EDVjan95VMRv1epxkpt185iXWLsmYW4OmLZ 1Dpt1ueDSliTAll5BigHxHYbt4IwNgMFJ/bDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent:x-operating-system; b=may1OM58/56pbsTD//XGXB1AdY4hPbaM38GdfpLnw0kUcnOEnW6iDDn3vtdLG7zUXd jR8wIxmVOGJ8Ztj4tLIQ8OU3F+hM2UwBM4n8nGYa1i38vPsFcYAd9Czw5mys6kf4yWWj huinm+gZDQAjjgtwLf30DPbV+kwMQ/tLYLEMo= Received: by 10.204.156.3 with SMTP id u3mr2410683bkw.179.1257027466647; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aperture_lab ([77.66.145.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm4633023fkd.58.2009.10.31.15.17.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aperture_lab (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:17:43 +0300 Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:17:43 +0300 From: Jeff Laine To: Vagner Message-ID: <20091031221743.GA5720@free.bsd.loc> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Laine , Vagner , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091031145622.GA7648@vagner.bsd.loc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091031145622.GA7648@vagner.bsd.loc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-BETA2 i386 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Russian's laws X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:17:49 -0000 On Sat,31-10-2009 [17:56:22], Vagner wrote: > Good day! I wanted to share with you the situation in Russia and hear > advice. In Russia introduced a law "On personal data" and the > corresponding standarts. In accordance with these standarts process > personal data (ie 80% of all data in the enterprise) can only by > certified operating systems and software. > Certified happening in the Federal Security Service in Russia (FSB in USA). But FreeBSD doesn't certify anyone. > That is, in Russia are trying to ban the use os Freebsd and similar. > For the use of face criminal liability. What do i do not kwow, but > refuse to use FreeBSD, i don't intend to. How do you fight > against corruption & bureaucraty in the government itself? Thks > It would be really interesting to hear the opinion of some Russian ISPs and major web services providers on this point. I.e. yandex.ru or rambler.ru which are known to run their services on freebsd in a rather large scale. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) |