From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 30 02:06:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F403C106566B; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2E88FC19; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rmac.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MhZoB-000Dd1-OT; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:06:19 +0000 Received: from rmac.local.psg.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rmac.psg.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E5529903A6; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:06:19 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:06:19 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Luke S Crawford In-Reply-To: References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:06:22 -0000 > I started with FreeBSD Jails, and moved to NetBSD/xen2, and only left > because of the ram limit. Now that NetBSD 5 is out, I think it's time > for me to switch back. what stops me from that path is that disk pool flexibility is a bit limited on netbsd. zfs or lvm let me slop disk space to domUs as they need it. randy From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 30 02:24:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFDE106566B for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431088FC13 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so1141833and.13 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:24:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KInucgo/R+fLD7q9/FNOboK/JrApYj8f9nsp8bbExHE=; b=Ra4F6zl/BDNfD4ssG0Lf64ghf+R9S0L/6ZZFadnF6/oVJiiP9oj2MakbH/3AHasGE3 kHz+J4c88M+aV3gjU+mQxXerUEJtAiNwBRLV3QZVIcUPNd92VBFHifRFo5UdmAAzBhVm EyehCsuah2QP68YX+CNUMz6K1zcdGA/xJobtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xiHgfc52JePU0t4XHmXEUfkBPr2wZ3U6zntVV4RXiiou7Xnapnrn4wrFahdSz1zoI3 Spb+zqxnnXvZxomw/bzm7EMDyZz3QIcBkUpHmzYLWiCvnsz8suX3qPXukyvLLTaEz88U rxcJ1NgJrXuV2VjwZDcZFLcVceZKb2Ya9wosM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.101.20.3 with SMTP id x3mr3435042ani.31.1251599079699; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:24:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:24:39 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 39b367c9437b4391 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Randy Bush Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:24:40 -0000 I'd -love- to dedicate some clock cycles to writing up a full-featured LVM geom module. Sigh. :) adrian 2009/8/30 Randy Bush : >> I started with FreeBSD Jails, and moved to NetBSD/xen2, and only left >> because of the ram limit. =A0 Now that NetBSD 5 is out, I think it's tim= e >> for me to switch back. > > what stops me from that path is that disk pool flexibility is a bit > limited on netbsd. =A0zfs or lvm let me slop disk space to domUs as they > need it. > > randy > From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 30 04:13:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ABC1065672; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsc@prgmr.com) Received: from luke.xen.prgmr.com (luke.xen.prgmr.com [38.99.2.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224BA8FC15; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by luke.xen.prgmr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0D2CE1041EB; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:13:44 -0400 (EDT) To: Randy Bush References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> From: Luke S Crawford Date: 30 Aug 2009 00:13:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:13:01 -0000 Randy Bush writes: > > I started with FreeBSD Jails, and moved to NetBSD/xen2, and only left > > because of the ram limit. Now that NetBSD 5 is out, I think it's time > > for me to switch back. > > what stops me from that path is that disk pool flexibility is a bit > limited on netbsd. zfs or lvm let me slop disk space to domUs as they > need it. what about the tap: driver and friends? qcow:? (these are issues I will need to figure out) LVM snapshots are so slow that I find them unsuable, so I'm not really losing much by moving to the tap: driver (granted, I am pushing my disks to the limit. lvm snapshots work fine if your disks are lightly loaded and/or faster than mine.) From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 30 05:54:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ABF1065672 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:54:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f195.google.com (mail-yx0-f195.google.com [209.85.210.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA9A8FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so858844yxe.7 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=435lWk2ncmoNzAurjELB+ZF4/3aIJgydctWDSuk8d9U=; b=P2QemJNvin2rE0jWMoXWV0uzswR6QBBTpDQ6J3gTVx25pfaFLsS0Q9GSTU0P3eOQ1B 2tuKRCFoWhOlX9UP9eq1/ZgT0nl7KqgZ7Ktw7ojt12Utz/+6JqLuG2cplr5JkUn0esLx XDPH9h7qqyAgZSqsq0VBujkgUCyeLtTr3tsmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=yA1OlNHHThkF+rOAGwjtlaxpPdCGrSowavY8WFIaZbVKl1XAD9wMpYATR91JRK4FKG vANbnKooc7/u0knvF6ZOr4y6mkxT1aul3Uu2F+td5bcpd39/vhLiDiCTlR0LetQ9h8Zj py0hbx20p3IH21WFoGH3vg4mTWIQWJpqVb6tw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.237.3 with SMTP id k3mr5977632ybh.70.1251611651146; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <11167f520908292254p9e5bcam3411ba3c0160df62@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Luke S Crawford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:54:12 -0000 > what about the tap: driver and friends? qcow:? (these are issues > I will need to figure out) LVM snapshots are so slow that I find them > unsuable, so I'm not really losing much by moving to the tap: driver > (granted, I am pushing my disks to the limit. lvm snapshots work fine if > your disks are lightly loaded and/or faster than mine.) If I can ask, how does Prgmr.com allocate disk space to domu's? qcow? also does anyone know if a NetBSD 5 or CURRENT dom0 can migrate domu's between 2 NetBSD Dom0's ? Migration and ZFS is what I am waiting for NetBSD to have. Sam Fourman Jr. From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 30 10:28:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F79106566B for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsc@prgmr.com) Received: from luke.xen.prgmr.com (luke.xen.prgmr.com [38.99.2.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9938FC08 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by luke.xen.prgmr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 282991041EB; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:29:27 -0400 (EDT) To: "Sam Fourman Jr." References: <77abe410908211256g44dd20d8o9b50c20357e63a6b@mail.gmail.com> <4A98DFF6.4060404@prgmr.com> <11167f520908292254p9e5bcam3411ba3c0160df62@mail.gmail.com> From: Luke S Crawford Date: 30 Aug 2009 06:29:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <11167f520908292254p9e5bcam3411ba3c0160df62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finishing up the xen port - would funding help? X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:28:44 -0000 "Sam Fourman Jr." writes: > > what about the tap: driver and friends? qcow:? (these are issues > > I will need to figure out) LVM snapshots are so slow that I find them > > unsuable, so I'm not really losing much by moving to the tap: driver > > (granted, I am pushing my disks to the limit. lvm snapshots work fine if > > your disks are lightly loaded and/or faster than mine.) > > If I can ask, how does Prgmr.com allocate disk space to domu's? qcow? > also does anyone know if a NetBSD 5 or CURRENT dom0 can migrate domu's > between 2 NetBSD Dom0's ? right now, production is Linux, and uses LVM. I believe live migration works with NetBSD5, but shared storage is required for live migration, and good reliable shared storage is out of my price range. > Migration and ZFS is what I am waiting for NetBSD to have. Zfs does look pretty nice; I've been looking at building a ghetto san out of some supermicro chassis and FreeBSD or OpenSolaris, and exporting iscsi LUNs backed by zfs, but I haven't done that yet, and even after I do that, it will be a long time before I trust it. (SANs can be nice, but they are also deadly. a fibre-channel san in an open rack was the cause of much of prgmr.com's instability from 2005 through 2007. Local disk is the cheapest, fastest, and most reliable option. Shared storage gets you flexibility, but can't match, dollar for dollar, the fast, cheap and reliable of mirrored local disk, which is why most of the larger hosting companies primarly run off local disk.) From owner-freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 31 11:07:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7007E106566B for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6818FC24 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n7VB7Kof070783 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7VB7Jxr070779 for freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:19 GMT Message-Id: <200908311107.n7VB7Jxr070779@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-xen@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-xen@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of the freebsd port to xen - implementation and usage List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:07:20 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/136251 xen [xen] [patch] xn0 doesn't DHCP o kern/135421 xen [xen] FreeBSD Xen PVM DomU network failure - netfronc. o kern/135179 xen [xen] Xen domU does not properly reboot o kern/135178 xen [xen] Xen domU outgoing data transfer stall when TSO i o kern/135069 xen [xen] FreeBSD-current/Xen SMP doesn't function at all o kern/135008 xen [xen] FreeBSD-current/Xen timecounter jumps o kern/134926 xen [xen] [panic] FreeBSD-current Xen DomU networking pani 7 problems total.