From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 3 00:29:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC7F106566C for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D408FC0A for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NRELA-00019y-Un for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:29:04 +0100 Received: from 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz ([90.178.41.200]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:29:04 +0100 Received: from gamato by 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:29:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org From: martinko Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:28:41 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <4AC141B0.4090705@delphij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.41.broadband11.iol.cz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20100102 SeaMonkey/2.0.1 In-Reply-To: Sender: news Subject: Re: [PATCH] Shutdown cooloff feature X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:29:09 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Xin LI wrote: > >> I'm not sure if anyone would find this useful: > > Along similar lines, if we're looking at frequent admin errors: I've > noticed an increasing number of people using "reboot" rather than > "shutdown -r NOW" on the basis that on Linux (and perhaps other > systems), reboot gives a clean application shutdown. I wonder if we > should be making a similar change -- a lot of people may be risky data > corruption/loss due to unclean application shutdown as a result of that > misunderstanding. Sorry for a too late note, I'm just catching up, however .. IIRC Solaris for instance differentiate similarly to FreeBSD between shutdown, reboot and others. So we're not alone. :) And I've always considered it a good thing -- shutdown is clean/correct and higher level then reboot & co. OT: I've noticed that PC-BSD has been shipping for ages with reboot instead of shutdown. That is default in KDE and comes from Linux. M.