From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 22 21:56:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E29F106566C for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124C28FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0DDE22947 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:39:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.98.9] (unknown [192.168.98.9]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7D1224A5 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:39:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:39:02 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" Organization: eIT User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; nb-NO; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'FreeBSD-ISP' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Spam X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Feb 22 22:39:00 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.4844 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 95 chance of being ham X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.9900 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b82f9742203160315622 X-DSPAM-Factors: 15, me+a, 0.99000, Date*Feb+#+22, 0.99000, update, 0.01000, free, 0.01000, Received*for+#+#+#+Mon, 0.99000, of+#+#+as, 0.01000, domain, 0.01000, your+#+#+#+I, 0.01000, Received*Feb+2010+22, 0.99000, Received*Feb+#+22, 0.99000, Subject*free, 0.99000, of+my, 0.99000, hosting, 0.01000, of+#+service, 0.99000, a+bit, 0.01000 Subject: ***SPAM*** Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:30 -0000 Hi guys. Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain with them. I need a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my own domains but also in exchange give me a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my domains as an extra free of charge service. Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? Cheers, Marcin. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 22 23:07:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845DD1065676 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com (asmtpout024.mac.com [17.148.16.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706A68FC08 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KY900I8DK3OQH50@asmtp024.mac.com> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:07:11 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-1002220220 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:07:00 -0800 Message-id: <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> To: lists@yazzy.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:07:24 -0000 On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain with them. All registrars do that. They can't register domains without being willing to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to nameservers the customers specify or use their own nameservers. > I need a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my own domains but also in exchange give me > a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my domains as an extra free of charge service. > Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? www.dyndns.org ...? Regards, -- -Chuck PS: By the way, congratulations for getting your message past DSPAM. It was giving odds of: "1 in 95 chance of being ham" :-) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 04:07:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E487106566C for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F68FC13 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10052 invoked by uid 399); 23 Feb 2010 03:41:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO foreign.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 23 Feb 2010 03:41:06 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4B834E4F.2000900@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:41:03 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100218 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' , lists@yazzy.org Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:07:48 -0000 On 02/22/10 14:07, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >> Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain >> with them. > > All registrars do that. They can't register domains without being > willing to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to > nameservers the customers specify or use their own nameservers. That's not actually true. There is no requirement that a domain name registration have name servers associated with it, although what you describe is by far the most common model. >> I need a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" >> my own domains but also in exchange give me a dyndns service so I >> can automatically update the @ records of my domains as an extra >> free of charge service. Do you guys know of any registrars that can >> do that? Search for "dynamic dns service" you'll get a lot of hits. Doug -- ... and that's just a little bit of history repeating. -- Propellerheads Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 06:42:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98C01065672; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:42:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D6C8FC1C; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:42:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from [17.151.125.132] by asmtp028.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KYA00DYA7X3Q700@asmtp028.mac.com>; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:41:36 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-1002220306 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4B834E4F.2000900@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:41:27 -0800 Message-id: <9530C81B-0640-47D0-915B-AD1B4F5FF3DE@mac.com> References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B834E4F.2000900@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' , lists@yazzy.org Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:42:11 -0000 On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> All registrars do that. They can't register domains without being >> willing to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to >> nameservers the customers specify or use their own nameservers. > > That's not actually true. There is no requirement that a domain name > registration have name servers associated with it, although what you > describe is by far the most common model. RFC 1591, section 3.3 & 3.5? > There are no requirements on subdomains of top-level domains > beyond the requirements on higher-level domains themselves. That > is, the requirements in this memo are applied recursively. In > particular, all subdomains shall be allowed to operate their own > domain name servers, providing in them whatever information the > subdomain manager sees fit (as long as it is true and correct). [ ... ] > There must be a primary and a secondary nameserver that have IP > connectivity to the Internet and can be easily checked for > operational status and database accuracy by the IR and the IANA. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 08:01:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9781065679 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8247B8FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD73322947 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:01:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.0.7] (unknown [10.8.0.7]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 709BF224A5; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:01:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:04:32 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" Organization: eIT.no User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Feb 23 09:01:42 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6516 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 188 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b838b652208645515373 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, Jessa, 0.00469, On, 0.00933, On, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, Received*(Postfix)+#+ESMTPS, 0.01000, Marcin+M+#+wrote, 0.01000, for+a+#+who, 0.99000, can+#+#+to, 0.01000, Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000, M+Jessa, 0.01000, Date*Tue+#+#+2010+09, 0.99000, Received*Tue+#+#+2010+09, 0.99000, well, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote, 0.01000, update, 0.01000, for+#+#+who, 0.99000, >+I, 0.01000, as+well, 0.01000, >>+I, 0.01000, at+#+#+PM, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000, free, 0.01000, free, 0.01000, of+#+#+as, 0.01000, domain, 0.01000, >+#+#+#+a, 0.01000 Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:01:48 -0000 On 02/22/2010 11:07 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > >> Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain with them. >> > > All registrars do that. They can't register domains without being willing to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to nameservers the customers specify or use their own nameservers. > > >> I need a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my own domains but also in exchange give me >> a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my domains as an extra free of charge service. >> Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? >> > > www.dyndns.org ...? > I know they do that, and so do few others. I was asking for a registrar who offers a free dyndns service to their customers who have registered their domains there as an extra service, just like plain DNS service. I don't understand why a registrar would offer free DNS service but could not offer free dyndns as well... Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 19:58:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63F1065679 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norbu09@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AF68FC20 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so840421wyb.13 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:58:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EpRptFO7hlIAPU5g8P8Gu/SlwSrmZYDbfAdTC5Qdc5M=; b=XRBxU2367XiVD34qs27dETLBqRf6myflw4nGfXkXKtmRiB0lBLbQxjMZ0ZI8qKNPfI V5X/zMsM3T1O5Vx6v28/xiK3KIVdtzq04/lYsbNqqiKghDEvPyJW4uT2GvarESXTZdje ePOanDmVw+HZJrNlAOHry+SEOCSFzisgmZooc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XW1+mNGOc2vSQGCy/OfmRPK/JXcQ2YFg3S0/d3u1RqZO8mEC4mm+0TiyGqPkoG+ryo 4RRzitoIrQWKhQ6RJWm3Z/a/7EGIuUv2SWXxMN1yTSwPRPosDFIG0boGwH9y1DSuyGJ8 wl0pRRrHIrL2/HnIAqIBgihhXztLqusycp3aY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.4 with SMTP id g4mr1762463wef.218.1266953485667; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:31:25 +1300 Message-ID: From: lenz To: FreeBSD-ISP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:58:39 -0000 we can look into it if we get some more requests for it. frankly till now no one asked for dyndns like support :-) i had a quick look at the API that is commonly used and it looks really very simple to do. i'll put it on our roadmap and see if we get more people wanting it. re the mandatory NS servers - there are very different requirements for the different TLDs. some TLDs offer registration for domains without nameservers or with nameservers but not connected (means not entered into their zone) or even that the zone of the TLD itself can be used (nserver entries in .de). there is _no_ requirement that a domain registrar offers you NS servers and in fact many actually charge you for them, others make it really hard to use your own nameservers if you want to. cheers lenz On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > On 02/22/2010 11:07 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> >> On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >> >>> >>> Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain with >>> them. >>> >> >> All registrars do that. =A0They can't register domains without being wil= ling >> to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to nameservers the >> customers specify or use their own nameservers. >> >> >>> >>> I need =A0a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my = own >>> domains but also in exchange give me >>> a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my >>> domains as an extra free of charge service. >>> Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? >>> >> >> =A0 www.dyndns.org ...? >> > > I know they do that, and so do few others. > I was asking for a registrar who offers a free dyndns service to their > customers who have registered their domains there as an extra service, ju= st > like plain DNS service. > I don't understand why a registrar would offer free DNS service but could > not offer free dyndns as well... > > > Marcin > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 twitter: @norbu09 current project: iWantMyName.com painless domain registration (finally) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 20:08:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EF6106566B for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709788FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 597E822997 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:08:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.99.50] (lantop [192.168.99.50]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE5C224A4; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:08:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B8435C4.8040706@yazzy.org> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:08:36 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lenz References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Feb 23 21:08:30 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5997 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 151 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b8435be2201350015645 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, it+if, 0.99000, we+#+#+more, 0.99000, Subject*free, 0.99000, References*mail.gmail.com>, 0.01000, for+#+#+#+>, 0.01000, Received*Tue+#+#+#+21, 0.99000, )+>, 0.01000, now+#+#+#+for, 0.99000, wrote+>, 0.01000, Marcin, 0.02504, Subject*Re, 0.02747, ?, 0.05906, ), 0.06813, From*"Marcin M. Jessa" , 0.07005, >, 0.07153, >, 0.07153, wrote, 0.07996, like, 0.08605, one, 0.08605, more, 0.08605, no, 0.09799, it, 0.10465, it, 0.10465, if, 0.11378, Date*23, 0.12375 Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:08:38 -0000 lenz wrote: > we can look into it if we get some more requests for it. frankly till > now no one asked for dyndns like support :-) > Who is "we" ? [...] Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 23 22:24:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8411B106566C for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norbu09@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B618FC15 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so1056040wwb.13 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:24:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=v5fNPFC/dWJhD1EdCj2ayh6fbF0sZ+oB9Yrt0vEaA3g=; b=Wy98RFmRGEojNpUtCm+Sl+8FuZMH/nhz8cLjuQ2LQdDbI6ASeVH40RULvycbPWEnzh zEQwwJe3b1TarfHBF8LV+/hk2kceSG/a6zue8r4HnwNZmWx5Nhhe5kVWFxVr5gZCiei4 xsgz94CxoOhO3aZ9+yjFqeAzlaYsoODCbRrD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=i6z8wsOsL/6014FQw/LHfoQBvu60tTOWUK+SRCkZU1bvfjkCfyS/iB8uz1LPo3iaUz yCMOv7GS7SB6kq//FPa/lS2TdNOL3AF+Pl8kPpopNlH9e188cid5iW5x+N4Lvl9+dmQN 5NE0qSiKntfHbZo/CP+I06jF5DbioV1hduzTk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.78 with SMTP id t56mr2588410wee.223.1266963882510; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:24:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B8435C4.8040706@yazzy.org> References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> <4B8435C4.8040706@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:24:42 +1300 Message-ID: From: lenz To: "Marcin M. Jessa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:24:46 -0000 On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > lenz wrote: >> >> we can look into it if we get some more requests for it. frankly till >> now no one asked for dyndns like support :-) >> > > Who is "we" ? > http://iWantMyName.com - sorry, did not want to spam here too much and thought my footer might have been explicit enough. cheers lenz -- twitter: @norbu09 current project: iWantMyName.com painless domain registration (finally) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 07:50:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE9A106566B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1761D8FC1A for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4867322997 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:50:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.0.7] (unknown [10.8.0.7]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8059F224A4; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:50:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B84DAF7.6030506@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:53:27 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" Organization: eIT.no User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lenz References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B838C10.1050206@yazzy.org> <4B8435C4.8040706@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 24 08:50:36 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6516 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 188 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b84da4c2204455925149 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, Jessa, 0.00469, On, 0.00933, On, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, spam, 0.01000, Received*(Postfix)+#+ESMTPS, 0.01000, M+Jessa, 0.01000, Date*2010+08+#+#+0100, 0.99000, Marcin+M+Jessa, 0.01000, 24, 0.01000, 24, 0.01000, it+if, 0.99000, we+#+#+more, 0.99000, Jessa+#+yazzy, 0.01000, Received*by+#+#+with+ESMTPS, 0.01000, Subject*free, 0.99000, Marcin+#+Jessa, 0.01000, References*mail.gmail.com>, 0.01000, References*mail.gmail.com>, 0.01000, >>+#+>+>, 0.01000, Received*by+#+(Postfix)+with+ESMTPS, 0.01000, yet, 0.01000, Marcin+#+#+#+yazzy, 0.01000, not+#+to, 0.01000, did+not, 0.01000, >>+>+>, 0.01000 Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:50:45 -0000 On 02/23/2010 11:24 PM, lenz wrote: > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > >> lenz wrote: >> >>> we can look into it if we get some more requests for it. frankly till >>> now no one asked for dyndns like support :-) >>> >>> >> Who is "we" ? >> >> > > http://iWantMyName.com - sorry, did not want to spam here too much and > thought my footer might have been explicit enough It could be interesting with godaddy.com's prices and the extra service. Otherwise you're just yet another expensive DNS provider. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 08:15:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63163106566C for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:15:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CBC8FC1D for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01A1122997 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.0.7] (unknown [10.8.0.7]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEF67224A4 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:14:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:17:52 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" Organization: eIT.no User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'FreeBSD-ISP' References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 24 09:14:57 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6178 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 163 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b84e0012209777454231 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, Jessa, 0.00469, On, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, Hi+#+>, 0.01000, Received*(Postfix)+#+ESMTPS, 0.01000, record, 0.99000, A+#+#+the, 0.99000, A+#+#+the, 0.99000, Marcin+M+#+wrote, 0.01000, Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000, and+#+#+a, 0.01000, M+Jessa, 0.01000, be+able, 0.01000, fine, 0.01000, fine, 0.01000, Date*2010+#+#+52+0100, 0.99000, Marcin+M+Jessa, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote, 0.01000, >+Hi+#+#+>, 0.01000, update, 0.01000, update, 0.01000, >+I, 0.01000, >+I, 0.01000, Date*09+#+52+0100, 0.99000, >+Hi, 0.01000, In-Reply-To*yazzy.org>, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000 Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:15:06 -0000 On 02/22/2010 10:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > Hi guys. > > Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain > with them. > I need a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my > own domains but also in exchange give me > a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my > domains as an extra free of charge service. > Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? > I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. I have 2 DNS servers, a master with static IP and a slave with dynamic IP (both can actually have a dynamic IP). The resgistrar (godaddy) does not require IPs when defining custom DNS servers so one of the DNS servers can run just fine on a dynamic IP as long as it's host has defined an A record and not a CNAME. And as long as the Arecord for my domains is not set it should be fine. But not having A records for the domains will of course mean that I won't be able to access http://domain.tld , just http://www.domain.tld But there is a solution to it too. Having access to the master DNS I just can easly update all the A records with a script. I use PowerDNS to host my domains and it's just a metter of running one SQL query to have everything updated and working just fine. All I have to do is to check if IP of my dyndns host has changed and run the SQL query to update all the A records on the master server to match that new IP. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 13:20:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6091065677 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:20:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from plato.corp.nas.com (plato.corp.nas.com [66.114.32.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF238FC15 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:20:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.corp.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E355DFDB1E for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:02:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at corp.nas.com Received: from plato.corp.nas.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (plato.corp.nas.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNiYCzXneNsd for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.222] (mono-sis1.s.bli.openaccess.org [66.114.32.149]) by plato.corp.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A45EB5DFDAE6 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:02:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael DeMan (OA)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:02:18 -0800 Message-Id: <2BC56E13-0373-4118-80C2-FDCF98F9097E@staff.openaccess.org> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: FBSD 8.0 + Quagga + AMD64 => not reliable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:20:17 -0000 Hi All, I am wondering if anybody else out there uses FreeBSD + Quagga very = much. I have found it to be quite reliable and useful for BGP routers in = particular, but we haven't upgraded our compact flash software image in = a long time - last was based on FreeBSD 64, i386, and single threaded. Now, trying to run FreeBSD 8.0 on AMD64, multi-processor (two dual-core) = with Quagga, primarily for BGP again (and some OSPF as usual), has = resulted in quagga locking up with nothing useful in kernel messages, = quagga logs, etc. Reverting to a uniprocessor kernel build for FreeBSD 8.0 seems to have = cleared the issue. Sorry if this sounds like a cross-post from quagga, but archives show = quagga should be okay on multiprocessor. I am wondering if anybody else = has tried this out. My thoughts are that perhaps its related to = threading and the (long awaited) separation of FIB & RIB for routing = directly inside of FreeBSD somehow. Basically, after a period of time, the machine loses BGP, OSPF, typing = 'vtysh' at the command line leaves vtysh basically hung, yet generally = box is responsive to SSH albeit it seems sluggish. Thanks,=20 - mike P.S. - Overall plan for me at this point is to just watch both FreeBSD = and Quagga source trees, update upon occasion on dev box, but probably = just keep my fingers crossed until FreeBSD 8.1 is out. Meanwhile, I = figured I would ask if anybody else is seeing anything like this. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 19:43:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9BA106566B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from norbu09@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D368FC17 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so1481794wyb.13 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:43:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3XWlgn9Ykjp7nQs+sjsZbFnnMtg3ybtBJ0aSYSxpVbI=; b=c4QNVBLI1v3GRvZCn2FbEpd6LU/uG901+UdjohHguMhd7YwtncMEgN3cPgR24yayys +WK9Jb//EApubJIybzUM0inuLkX0b9WKVjtdeECJEZygtEGFelU/MEdKqoqPWqywnx9t xbOVM0CaKFieXeABmBj1o0AyOrwNo9jEIQ4y4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SAo6Ias7to46HnFJ4QeV49luCJ8pEO8YboR8UDibplCXQCBHRaKqJhp+/15FYQMFuP QqQuoM9LhC6/wJvcZNCBFxJ/naRbnURir/zOrBYywrwcGYeu1vE1hyRB8/zm7qxuNbwn oxOhA/CYH1zXZUtmSks/rdxLPCkitw9/tykmU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.16 with SMTP id v16mr125556wee.162.1267040577914; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:42:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:42:57 +1300 Message-ID: From: lenz To: lists@yazzy.org, FreeBSD-ISP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:43:07 -0000 if i may ... don't you miss a very important point here. DNS is bitch when it comes to caching and large providers. never mind what you have as expire times many large providers cache for a day to reduce their DNS traffic. if you run a NS server on a dynamic IP this can be more of a lottery than a solution. dyndns works fairly well for stuff that can live with small expire times and is not mission critical. a ns record _is_ mission critical as without it not only your website is offline but potentially your mail other stuff. in your case i would get a cheap vhost somewhere and run the second ns there (slicehost, smallest slice or such) and have a stable solution or use the DNS from your provider or any other DNS hoster that offers an API if you want to update records. cheers lenz On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > On 02/22/2010 10:39 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >> >> Hi guys. >> >> Many registrars offer free DNS hosting if you register your domain with >> them. >> I need =A0a bit more. I need a registrar which not only will "host" my o= wn >> domains but also in exchange give me >> a dyndns service so I can automatically update the @ records of my domai= ns >> as an extra free of charge service. >> Do you guys know of any registrars that can do that? >> > I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains > on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. > > I have 2 DNS servers, a master with static IP and a slave with dynamic IP > (both can actually have a dynamic IP). > The resgistrar (godaddy) does not require IPs when defining custom DNS > servers so one of the > DNS servers can run just fine on a dynamic IP as long as it's host has > defined an A record and not a CNAME. > And as long as the Arecord for my domains is not set it should be fine. > > But not having A records for the domains will of course mean that > I won't be able to access http://domain.tld , just http://www.domain.tld > But there is a solution to it too. > Having access to the master DNS I just can easly update all the A records > with a script. > I use PowerDNS to host my domains and it's just a metter of running one > SQL query to have everything updated and working just fine. > > All I have to do is to check if IP of my dyndns host has changed and run = the > SQL query > to update all the A records on the master server to match that new IP. > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 twitter: @norbu09 current project: iWantMyName.com painless domain registration (finally) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 20:08:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C46C106566B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063988FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:08:05 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KYD0061R3X39T60@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:07:52 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=7 spamscore=7 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-0908210000 definitions=main-1002240158 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:07:51 -0800 Message-id: References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> To: lists@yazzy.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:08:06 -0000 Hi-- On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains > on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. Running an authoritative nameserver off of a dynamic IP is a terrible idea. Even if your dynamic IP doesn't change that often, and you adjust your TTLs and expire times in the SOA accordingly....whenever the IP does move, you are blindly hoping that the former IP will not be given to a malicious or compromised machine. Remember that random nameservers will be caching your nameserver records for up to expiry, and will continue to send queries to the old IP. It's a trivial matter for it to continue to answer authoritatively, and redirect mail, webserver requests, etc to anywhere at all-- a localhost proxy scanning for login attempts, bank info, etc would make a wonderful man-in-the-middle attack. You might think that with two nameservers listed, that the odds are fifty-fifty whether queries go to your primary at a static IP or the old secondary, but I've seen spamming domains which return DNS queries stuffed with as many NS and A records as will fit in a UDP packet (about 20) pointing to IPs all over the place in order to make them harder to take down. It also means that caching nameservers and clients are less likely to send a request to a legitimate nameserver for the domain (assuming one exists), depending on how smart the clients are. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 20:35:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2C8106577D for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eculp@encontacto.net) Received: from ns2.bafirst.com (ns2.bafirst.com [97.67.198.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171BB8FC12 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from HOME.encontacto.net ([189.190.27.29]) by ns2.bafirst.com with esmtp; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:25:18 -0600 id 000D4DE9.4B858B2E.00005CCA Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 80) by HOME.encontacto.net with local; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:25:17 -0600 id 0004AC15.4B858B2D.0000CC42 Received: from dsl-189-129-9-117-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (dsl-189-129-9-117-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx [189.129.9.117]) by econet.encontacto.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:25:17 -0600 Message-ID: <20100224142517.19682yqym2r7d7qc@econet.encontacto.net> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:25:17 -0600 From: eculp To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (5.0-cvs) X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100209 Ant.com Toolbar 2.0 Firefox/3.6 X-IMP-Server: 189.190.27.29 X-Originating-IP: 189.129.9.117 X-Originating-User: eculp@encontacto.net Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:35:22 -0000 Quoting Chuck Swiger : > Hi-- > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >> I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains >> on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. > > Running an authoritative nameserver off of a dynamic IP is a =20 > terrible idea. Even if your dynamic IP doesn't change that often, =20 > and you adjust your TTLs and expire times in the SOA =20 > accordingly....whenever the IP does move, you are blindly hoping =20 > that the former IP will not be given to a malicious or compromised =20 > machine. > > Remember that random nameservers will be caching your nameserver =20 > records for up to expiry, and will continue to send queries to the =20 > old IP. It's a trivial matter for it to continue to answer =20 > authoritatively, and redirect mail, webserver requests, etc to =20 > anywhere at all-- a localhost proxy scanning for login attempts, =20 > bank info, etc would make a wonderful man-in-the-middle attack. > > You might think that with two nameservers listed, that the odds are =20 > fifty-fifty whether queries go to your primary at a static IP or the =20 > old secondary, but I've seen spamming domains which return DNS =20 > queries stuffed with as many NS and A records as will fit in a UDP =20 > packet (about 20) pointing to IPs all over the place in order to =20 > make them harder to take down. It also means that caching =20 > nameservers and clients are less likely to send a request to a =20 > legitimate nameserver for the domain (assuming one exists), =20 > depending on how smart the clients are. I basically agree, Chuck. Of course there are places, such as the =20 country where I live where ONE STATIC IP that is listed as dynamic and =20 obviously causes some email issues, costs one thousand dollars a year. =20 Other solutions are with E-1's and base price is much, much higher. =20 There are no dsl's with static IP's. I could justify it here and many folks use them even though they are =20 not optimal. ed > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 21:07:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C058F106566B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F25A8FC14 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC5FB2299B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:07:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.99.50] (lantop [192.168.99.50]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8019224AB; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:07:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B8594FD.30406@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:07:09 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lenz References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 24 22:07:01 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5157 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 107 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b8594f52201087519608 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, Date*Feb+#+22, 0.99000, never, 0.01000, money, 0.99000, record, 0.99000, I+#+#+it, 0.01000, >+#+#+and, 0.01000, well, 0.01000, update, 0.01000, a+#+#+#+money, 0.99000, changes, 0.01000, server, 0.01000, live, 0.99000, >+#+#+#+a, 0.01000, the+#+from, 0.99000, projects, 0.01000, to+give, 0.99000, Received*Feb+2010+22, 0.99000, Received*Feb+#+22, 0.99000, Subject*free, 0.99000, References*mail.gmail.com>, 0.01000, smallest, 0.99000, and+I+am, 0.01000, hosting, 0.01000, is+not, 0.01000, Date*09+0100, 0.99000 Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:07:11 -0000 lenz wrote: > if i may ... don't > > you miss a very important point here. DNS is bitch when it comes to > caching and large providers. never mind what you have as expire times > many large providers cache for a day to reduce their DNS traffic. if > you run a NS server on a dynamic IP this can be more of a lottery than > a solution. dyndns works fairly well for stuff that can live with > small expire times and is not mission critical. a ns record _is_ > mission critical as without it not only your website is offline but > potentially your mail other stuff. > > You're right and I am aware of it. The stuff I am hosting is websites with open source projects of mine and mostly my private stuff. Nothing of critical importance. Pluss my master DNS has a static IP. If anything changes, DNS lookups can be always made against it. > in your case i would get a cheap vhost somewhere and run the second ns > there (slicehost, smallest slice or such) and have a stable solution > or use the DNS from your provider or any other DNS hoster that offers > an API if you want to update records. I thought of it but I am willing to give my solution a shot before spending money on something that I may not need. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 21:16:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCB91065676 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:16:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yazzy.org) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (mail.yazzy.org [85.196.65.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE728FC0A for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:16:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EABBE2299B for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:16:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.99.50] (lantop [192.168.99.50]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF33224AB; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:16:39 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B85973F.6030007@yazzy.org> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:16:47 +0100 From: "Marcin M. Jessa" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 24 22:16:39 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6966 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 231 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 1970,4b8597372205074619704 X-DSPAM-Factors: 27, Jessa, 0.00469, On, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, References*yazzy.org>, 0.00933, to+#+#+#+to, 0.01000, to+#+#+#+to, 0.01000, Date*Feb+#+22, 0.99000, Hi+#+>, 0.01000, wrote+>+#+>, 0.01000, Marcin+M+#+wrote, 0.01000, Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000, It's, 0.01000, M+Jessa, 0.01000, wrote+#+#+>, 0.01000, be+able, 0.01000, the+#+#+#+not, 0.01000, Date*Feb+#+#+#+47, 0.99000, Marcin+M+Jessa, 0.01000, ever, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote, 0.01000, >+I, 0.01000, >>+I, 0.01000, return, 0.99000, >+Hi, 0.01000, Marcin+M+Jessa+wrote+>, 0.01000, that+#+and, 0.99000, 24, 0.01000 Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:16:49 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Hi-- > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: > >> I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains >> on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. >> > > Running an authoritative nameserver off of a dynamic IP is a terrible idea. Even if your dynamic IP doesn't change that often, and you adjust your TTLs and expire times in the SOA accordingly....whenever the IP does move, you are blindly hoping that the former IP will not be given to a malicious or compromised machine. > > Remember that random nameservers will be caching your nameserver records for up to expiry, and will continue to send queries to the old IP. It's a trivial matter for it to continue to answer authoritatively, and redirect mail, webserver requests, etc to anywhere at all-- a localhost proxy scanning for login attempts, bank info, etc would make a wonderful man-in-the-middle attack. > > You might think that with two nameservers listed, that the odds are fifty-fifty whether queries go to your primary at a static IP or the old secondary, but I've seen spamming domains which return DNS queries stuffed with as many NS and A records as will fit in a UDP packet (about 20) pointing to IPs all over the place in order to make them harder to take down. It also means that caching nameservers and clients are less likely to send a request to a legitimate nameserver for the domain (assuming one exists), depending on how smart the clients are. > > Regards, > I actually didn't think of that. The chance is actually very little that someone on my cable network would be able to do that. Or that someone one my IP block has ever heard of DNS :) But you're right, better safe than sorry. Thanks a lot for pointing this out Chuck! :) Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 24 22:26:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEFB106564A for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:26:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147488FC1A for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 9484879; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:26:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 9484877; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4B859967.9010908@radel.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:25:59 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, lists@yazzy.org References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> <4B8594FD.30406@yazzy.org> In-Reply-To: <4B8594FD.30406@yazzy.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060505010306080202010209" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:26:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060505010306080202010209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/24/10 4:07 PM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >> in your case i would get a cheap vhost somewhere and run the second ns= >> there (slicehost, smallest slice or such) and have a stable solution >> or use the DNS from your provider or any other DNS hoster that offers >> an API if you want to update records. > > I thought of it but I am willing to give my solution a shot before > spending money on something that I may not need. A time honored, and free, solution is to trade secondary DNS services=20 with somebody else in a similar situation. --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms060505010306080202010209-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 25 01:47:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BF7106567E for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:47:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 571248FC1A for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84471 invoked by uid 89); 25 Feb 2010 01:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by ::ffff:208.70.104.210 with ESMTPA; 25 Feb 2010 01:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4B85D6BD.5020801@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:47:41 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Swiger References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <02A33D5D-B57A-4276-A79F-C368A0407A33@mac.com> <4B834E4F.2000900@FreeBSD.org> <9530C81B-0640-47D0-915B-AD1B4F5FF3DE@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9530C81B-0640-47D0-915B-AD1B4F5FF3DE@mac.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'FreeBSD-ISP' , Doug Barton , lists@yazzy.org Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 01:47:27 -0000 On 2010.02.23 01:41, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> All registrars do that. They can't register domains without being >>> willing to point them somewhere, so they can either delegate to >>> nameservers the customers specify or use their own nameservers. >> >> That's not actually true. There is no requirement that a domain name >> registration have name servers associated with it, although what you >> describe is by far the most common model. > > RFC 1591, section 3.3 & 3.5? Come on Chuck, You know what Doug meant. You could have done it a bit more subtly given the crappy current practice ;) Steve From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 25 02:03:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0696A1065672 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98CEC8FC13 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84858 invoked by uid 89); 25 Feb 2010 02:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.114?) (steve@ibctech.ca@::ffff:208.70.104.100) by ::ffff:208.70.104.210 with ESMTPA; 25 Feb 2010 02:08:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4B85DA8A.9080202@ibctech.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:03:54 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eculp References: <4B82F976.8020308@yazzy.org> <4B84E0B0.8070904@yazzy.org> <20100224142517.19682yqym2r7d7qc@econet.encontacto.net> In-Reply-To: <20100224142517.19682yqym2r7d7qc@econet.encontacto.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Registrars with free DynDNS services of my own domains. X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:03:40 -0000 On 2010.02.24 15:25, eculp wrote: > Quoting Chuck Swiger : > >> Hi-- >> >> On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:17 AM, Marcin M. Jessa wrote: >>> I actually figured out I can run my own services for all my domains >>> on a dynamic IP without breaking any DNS related RFC. >> >> Running an authoritative nameserver off of a dynamic IP is a terrible >> idea. Even if your dynamic IP doesn't change that often, and you >> adjust your TTLs and expire times in the SOA accordingly....whenever >> the IP does move, you are blindly hoping that the former IP will not >> be given to a malicious or compromised machine. >> >> Remember that random nameservers will be caching your nameserver >> records for up to expiry, and will continue to send queries to the old >> IP. It's a trivial matter for it to continue to answer >> authoritatively, and redirect mail, webserver requests, etc to >> anywhere at all-- a localhost proxy scanning for login attempts, bank >> info, etc would make a wonderful man-in-the-middle attack. >> >> You might think that with two nameservers listed, that the odds are >> fifty-fifty whether queries go to your primary at a static IP or the >> old secondary, but I've seen spamming domains which return DNS queries >> stuffed with as many NS and A records as will fit in a UDP packet >> (about 20) pointing to IPs all over the place in order to make them >> harder to take down. It also means that caching nameservers and >> clients are less likely to send a request to a legitimate nameserver >> for the domain (assuming one exists), depending on how smart the >> clients are. > > I basically agree, Chuck. I completely agree with Chuck. > Of course there are places, such as the > country where I live where ONE STATIC IP that is listed as dynamic and > obviously causes some email issues, costs one thousand dollars a year. > Other solutions are with E-1's and base price is much, much higher. > There are no dsl's with static IP's. Your setup is wrong. You have a setup that costs you because you are doing it wrong. If you have one static IP that is causing email issues, you need to fix it. This is FreeBSD-ISP. If you are looking for help hosting a resi mail server, good luck. Otherwise, any one of us could help you host proper DNS records and/or mail servers to suit your needs. So long as you meet my ToS, you can host what you want on my network, and not have to deal with dynamic addressing. ;) Steve ps. my ToS is likely more costly than a T/E1.