From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 00:13:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE611065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:13:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8A98FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oA70DhSb054212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oA70DhHw054211; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA21081; Sat, 6 Nov 10 16:00:50 PST Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:00:53 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: steven@too1337.com, appdebgr@gmail.com Message-Id: <4cd5ec35.TiK1BueGMpbK4+VI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:13:44 -0000 App Deb wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer wrote: > > Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons > > in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). > If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned > because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 00:18:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB9C1065693 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jclear@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51FC8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21246 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2010 23:50:15 -0000 Received: from dsl092-238-005.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [10.19.62.7]) (jclear@[66.92.238.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 6 Nov 2010 23:50:15 -0000 From: Jed Clear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 19:50:14 -0400 Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: 8.1R buildworld failing in cc1 on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:18:18 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 on a Phenom II. I'm trying to = rebuild world as a load test. However it keeps failing at the same spot = while compiling cc1. I'm not using -j or any other flag, just a simple = "make buildworld". I've "rm -rf /usr/src/* /usr/obj/* and re-cvsup'd = the whole tree twice (from cvsup6 and cvsup3). This is = "tag=3DRELENG_8_1", so I really wouldn't expect compile issues, but = that's what it seems to be. I'm asking here to see if there's = something I might be over looking, if not I'll run it over to bugs. =20 Any other things I should be trying?=20 -Jed fbsdam3# uname -a FreeBSD fbsdam3.my.domain 8.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 #1: Sat = Oct 16 21:23:09 EDT 2010 = root@fbsdam3.my.domain:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AM3 amd64 fbsdam3# which gcc /usr/bin/gcc fbsdam3# gcc --version gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD] Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is = NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR = PURPOSE. Last bit of output from make buildworld: ---------------------------------------------------- =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 (all) cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H = -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" = -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/config = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber = -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c = /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/main.c cc -O2 -pipe -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H = -DPREFIX=3D\"/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr\" = -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_tools = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/config = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/include = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libcpp/include = -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcclibs/libdecnumber = -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include -c = /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/c-parser.c rib/gcclibs/libdecnumber -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/include = -static -L/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/lib -o cc1-dummy main.o = c-parser.o c-lang.o = /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_int/libbackend.a = /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libcpp/libcpp.a = /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libdecnumber/libdecnumb= er.a = /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../libiberty/libiberty.a = -legacy /usr/bin/ld: = /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../cc_int/libbackend.a(fol= d-const.o)(.text+0x8000008f6e): reloc against `integer_zerop': error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. fbsdam3#=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 00:24:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511E51065696 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from honeysuckle.london.02.net (honeysuckle.london.02.net [87.194.255.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95098FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (93.97.24.219) by honeysuckle.london.02.net (8.5.124.10) id 4CCAF0EE00394A7A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:24:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4CD5F167.4040700@onetel.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:23:03 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User Questions References: <4CD5DF7C.8030500@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad R51 + xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 = lockup X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 00:24:09 -0000 On 11/06/10 23:12, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I aquired an R51 model 2887 recently. It has the latest BIOS and the video >> chipset is 855GM. I am getting the same problem as mentioned here >> < >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=991679+1008170+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions >>> >> >> and here >> >> < >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=453703+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20100829.freebsd-questions >>> >> >> Loading X (with/without -retro) causes the machine to lock up with a black >> screen. I have to press and hold the power button to turn the machine off >> and Xorg.0.log is empty on reboot. >> >> This occurs with xorg-7.5 and xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3. With xorg_7.4_3 and >> xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 it works. >> >> Replacing the intel driver with vesa also works. >> >> Other things I have tried are: >> >> replace xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_3 in the xorg-7.5 setup with >> xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 from a package compiled with xorg_7.4_3 - works but >> lots of warnings of version mismatches when installing. >> >> compile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 with xorg-7.5 - failed to compile. >> >> add Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" to xorg.conf (because >> xf86-video-intel-2.7.1_1 failed to compile with errors about uxa) - no >> effect. >> >> remove a second instance of screen, device etc in xorg.conf which gets set >> up by X -configure - no effect. >> >> One thing I haven't done is add Option "UseSIGIO" and Option >> "NoTrapSignals" to xorg.conf as they both have warnings which I didn't feel >> competent to deal with. >> >> I haven't included xorg.conf and dmesg as they are both virtually identical >> to the ones in the links above, but of course I can if required. >> >> OS is 8.1-R >> >> Any suggestions welcome. >> >> thanks >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > Installed from packages or Ports? Are you mixing the two? (I would hope All installed from packages. The packages are from two different builds in a tinderbox with two different sets of ports. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 01:25:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3243C1065694 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:25:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jclear@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101BF8FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2668 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 01:25:32 -0000 Received: from dsl092-238-005.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [10.19.62.7]) (jclear@[66.92.238.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2010 01:25:32 -0000 From: Jed Clear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 21:25:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1836D9AA-DC20-4AFF-BE78-9200187373D5@speakeasy.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:25:38 -0000 > I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are =20 > loosing their edge. So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz =20= > is as good and option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper =20= > price? >=20 > I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb = =20 > in a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master =20= > 600w power supply. You've apparently already made your choice, as that MB is only socketed = for a certain family of Intel CPUs. The days of pin compatible Intel = and AMD CPUs are long gone. However if the MB decision is still open, there are many web sites that = do comparisons. Tom's Hardware comes to mind. Anandtech is another. Personally, I go with AMD. But it's more of a habit than anything = technical. -Jed= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 02:36:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41137106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:36:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DAA8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2415939ewy.13 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EXJTf0Jr5ZN2x/K9j21ae03gaYjXULFbRNl6+rYB/u0=; b=KDTfQiIiCqgcPYzWe0dNdmvatj4WPqimtLmtfgKkRAg0BFaPNYc203v8xdFa719SMK 2bFN/Zdln7jO1iImkSNEp1x7bnfylI3KaR6+kr2VjqTuO7lWMVd/d1fW9TMyuEY2oQnm sXCnvj2HMuG2VayCuB9LUTRh+xKfbaToIGdxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZsdlIHCp2GSYvrMAfYvJgn31KeERf/t1bFVxXyTyYIQa5qPdDjwkKYs93BbLw/0wF2 5x/eEsJdAvlfPMu3snXIij9FxgCIOI9YWeDK7GOavYevaXtqcbrJ1A1DESvBxbKJGPuY /NzsIXyyAuxh5k40yuWOYvlyOc2RkvQCftw68= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.112.133 with SMTP id w5mr2955562ebp.96.1289095735420; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.27.144 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CD5AE89.2050404@pathscale.com> References: <20101106135208.152232memfr0h5us@econet.encontacto.net> <4CD5AE89.2050404@pathscale.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 20:08:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: =?ISO-8859-1?B?Qy4gQmVyZ3N0cvZt?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions , eculp Subject: Re: Is Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz as good or better option than AMD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:36:53 -0000 2010/11/6 "C. Bergstr=F6m" : > eculp wrote: >> >> I've always been an AMD fan but am getting the idea that they are loosin= g >> their edge. =A0So my question if the Intel Core I7 930 2.80 Ghz is as go= od and >> option or is their a better AMD at a similar o cheaper price? >> >> I plan to install this in a GigaByte GA-X58A/UD7 motherboard with 6 Gb i= n >> a Cosmos-S Cooler Master cabinet with extra fans and Cooler Master 600w >> power supply. >> >> Any comments appreciated. >> >> Please copy me on your answers. > > What will you be doing with it? =A0Will you actually be running FBSD on i= t and > what sort of applications? You're talking about value here, but who is go= ing > to do the research for you.. So please don't be lazy and pick an exact AM= D > processor you're looking at.. (most likely Istanbul/Magny-cours) I'm doing my own research and trying to find a machine that is available here at a "reasonable" price. For the last few years all my machines have been AMD but I found the above using Intel Core I7 930 at a tolerable price. I haven't found an AMD that meets my requirements, YET and if this is a good procesor I will probably not look any more. Yes, I will be running FreeBSD on it (8.0 or 9.0). Is there another option;) I've been using it for almost 15 years if I remember right. Principal Apps: Apache Mysql ldap PHP Courier bind I've not noticed any comments on the 4 core Intel I7. Thanks for asking, ed P.S. I am registered on questions with both email addresses but the one that is activated in gmail and I didn't remember until I got this. Sorry for any confusion. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 02:47:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D8D1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A752A8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2416943ewy.13 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr2773125ebg.44.1289098017849; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:46:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 19:46:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: "C. P. Ghost" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:47:01 -0000 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > Sorry to repeat my question: > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html > > but I got no replies at all. > > Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using > binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical > recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? > > TIA, > -cpghost. > > I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video card, works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet..... > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 03:12:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D171065679 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ACB8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C316B4490; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 20:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <20101106203634.GD13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225708.GD67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.15.4; tzolkin = 8 Kan; haab = 17 Zac Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:12:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101106225708.GD67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> (Chip Camden's message of "Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:57:08 -0700") Message-ID: <86lj55g73s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:12:08 -0000 >>>>> "Chip" == Chip Camden writes: Chip> The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a Chip> truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere Chip> that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. When I interviewed the VirtualBox guys for FLOSS Weekly (http://twit.tv/floss130), they seemed pretty confident that Oracle was going to keep fairly "hands off", in a way that was starkly contrasted with some of the other former-Sun project leaders I've spoken to. (Ugh, too early to fix the tortured english... I hope you get the point.) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 03:14:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2206106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6938FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7F764499; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.15.4; tzolkin = 8 Kan; haab = 17 Zac Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:14:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> (Chad Perrin's message of "Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:30:16 -0600") Message-ID: <86hbftg70g.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:14:07 -0000 >>>>> "Chad" == Chad Perrin writes: Chad> I have not really spent any quality time with ZFS, so I'm a little Chad> sketchy on the details. Is there anything the checksumming capabilities Chad> of ZFS do that cannot be duplicated with an external tool -- perhaps Chad> something like a filesystem integrity auditing system? How would that external tool work to (a) detect the bad block during its access to prevent bad data from being returned to the user and (b) enable the swapping of bad data with a good spare copy if available? Nope... it's got to be in the kernel. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 04:23:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB7A1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 04:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1F68FC22 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 04:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2425578ewy.13 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.105.147 with SMTP id t19mr38646ebo.5.1289103788155; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:23:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Nov 2010 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4cd5ec35.TiK1BueGMpbK4+VI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <4cd5ec35.TiK1BueGMpbK4+VI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: appdebgr@gmail.com, steven@too1337.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:23:09 -0000 On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 8:00 PM, wrote: > App Deb wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer > wrote: > > > Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons > > > in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). > > If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned > > because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. > > My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they > had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? > .NET is C# not java... or at least that's what I've been lead to believe in more then one book on the subject. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 05:21:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3341F1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yxy.716@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5CC8FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so2952551gya.13 for ; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:21:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ctF+H4y4UklD/d6S57U57S5bir2USk6jcLCnqNgZwCc=; b=EXNXixdc/eZCoqUHfZFJlTRnvu4krwFJEqChqdGJ91dAyA6FPCDbaWQQxLlhEVV5hE 2qJdvyf42tw//DRQyZiNSw9legmopRNbMmj+N79F/Fp82+mA6/lS2Wzmmufap5bytgYp hSnRl7LUDboCkGgYXbX/AMx8jv92kiH+4mDAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=X9kEoWG6JhHj2C9RoB/THbERLCom7QoB9xIoMk5GVrf2UbnIx24XouCUhViX1Mmt0y pB5oGj183IUk04AR5iTlgsnZJ0CTat+47A7I2WR9ZoROBs3HAWAKHGat5d9+bWT10rNq Eo1mohlfJ+Z9HfPZ2VVqoEwGwmw3c+uy6QuL0= Received: by 10.91.91.12 with SMTP id t12mr3447484agl.187.1289107318182; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([59.174.47.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m66sm2509809yha.21.2010.11.06.22.21.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: yanxinyoou To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20101018120032.D333E10656E1@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20101018120032.D333E10656E1@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:21:25 +0800 Message-ID: <1289107285.2230.6.camel@yanxinyou.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.1.2 (2.30.1.2-2.fc13) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: restart virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:21:59 -0000 i intall virturl box like this: # cd /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox # make install clean # cd /boot /modules /*however i forgot do this commander # ls vbox* /*i also forgot vboxdrv.ko vboxnetadp.ko vboxnetflt.ko # echo 'vboxdrv_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf # echo 'ng_ether_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf # echo 'ng_ether_load="yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf # cat /boot/loader.conf vboxdrv_load="yes" vboxnetflt_load="yes" ng_ether_load="yes" after i restart bsd auto restart ! i think it caused by i made a mistake on loader.conf but i don't know how to do now i can't get in the system to change the /boot/loader.conf thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 05:36:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D81106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA4BC8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6270 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2010 05:36:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 05:36:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=nkzdtuR61zWGipeJX0Eg8lY6ESY7BMdf+3wsqBy1pmGUgyqSzDyJVznhy5aD+hEVyfSeAYYSxgZox9YB+Z4EGtTV32iC0XEzX01DbW4/BKwyXBwa2dvGTLrsuJ5vX2LD; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PExw0-0007tc-40 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:36:57 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:30:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:30:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107053059.GC14413@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <4cd5ec35.TiK1BueGMpbK4+VI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4cd5ec35.TiK1BueGMpbK4+VI%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:36:58 -0000 --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 05:00:53PM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > App Deb wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Steven Susbauer wr= ote: > > > Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons > > > in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). > > If I remember correctly, the Microsoft Java VM was abandoned > > because of this and everyone had to switch to the Sun one. >=20 > My understanding was that M$ did not abandon their engine, but they > had to quit calling it Java(TM). Didn't they just rename it to .Net? Some of the technology may have made it into the .NET framework, and C# may in some respects be quite similar to Java, but .NET is most certainly not Java. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzWOZMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXragCgp/kGuk85XoWdbXOVdd9z7Hr6 aREAoNUHXezvs9+RkBjN4/MpXe21noO0 =mB5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 05:39:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486521065672 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C8098FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1302 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2010 05:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 05:38:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Xu1p/KVwXCjxE09zolBCbO0RMemfgmgZSa35m1u9ZN/DY7tqwLXIfatGQuJbowfEi1HjuF81qDTJa+AgLQ0EcHDU0kkmx/ttb3IkZX5+z7MAGXToBwMwYByZSDubuJDN; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PExxy-0000t4-7J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:38:59 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:33:02 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:33:02 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107053302.GD14413@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <20101106203634.GD13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225708.GD67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZJcv+A0YCCLh2VIg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:39:00 -0000 --ZJcv+A0YCCLh2VIg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:09:57PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Chip Camden = wrote: > > > > The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that's a > > truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somewhere > > that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. > > > I agree, vBox is vital .... OOo3 has movement as well. See the following > links >=20 > http://www.documentfoundation.org/ > http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_Foundation Yes, there are already forks underway -- such as LibreOffice (OO.o fork), MariaDB (MySQL fork), and so on. We'll see whether they end up subject to expensive lawsuits as a result. I haven't read your links yet, but I'll probably get to it tomorrow. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ZJcv+A0YCCLh2VIg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzWOg4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXaFgCgjCuGw6BoCtVSaI6D8fmzWXv0 KVYAoJECosMxenudD7RVyyurFw5tGyNq =lZ1v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZJcv+A0YCCLh2VIg-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 08:43:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C892D1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED698FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7CC1EDC6 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA78hCnP001497 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101107094312.911d76c7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:43:14 -0000 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. Bloat. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 10:17:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3926106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FA88FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964C9E721C; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:17:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:17:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:17:50 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chip Camden Message-ID: <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:17:54 -0000 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700 Chip Camden wrote: > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. I don't expect to be able to convince you, but a lot of people find desktop environments easier to use than a whole load of terminals. For example I sometimes prefer to use kdiff3 instead of plain "svn diff" and KDE makes that simple. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 10:51:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF37B1065679 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3688FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E615ABDC34 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:51:52 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:51:52 -0800 Message-ID: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:51:54 -0000 I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that reside in a package called "bsdutils". I have built and installed the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things are going very badly indeed. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? The errors I am getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib non-free ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources: % apt-get source bsdutils Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... Done W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/restricted Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/contrib Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/non-free Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Could not open file /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 10:51:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D329810656AE for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3038FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so3015535gxk.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.143.14 with SMTP id q14mr4973091ybd.3.1289127116589; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm1359104ybj.20.2010.11.07.02.51.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5ED02E54856 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:51:42 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101107055142.0c9d94ce@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101107094312.911d76c7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107094312.911d76c7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/6ovJ1ChuCWg3fNzb8yoa2v0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:51:58 -0000 --Sig_/6ovJ1ChuCWg3fNzb8yoa2v0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden > wrote: > > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. >=20 > Bloat. :-) Bloat can easily be defined as something one user does not need/require. Essential can conversely be defined as something a user needs/desires. In other works, your bloat can easily be another user's requirements. If you are happy wiping your ass with your bare hand, then fine. Many of use prefer to use toilet paper which perhaps you might define as "toiletry bloat." To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?", the answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of coffee. Now, if the user were to inquire as to what these two competing applications have to offer, I might suggest that he/she start by visiting the applications respective web sites for further details. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. John Wayne --Sig_/6ovJ1ChuCWg3fNzb8yoa2v0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1oTHAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhF8iQIAJ8yxmCgW3CsgxBE/KvaerQA 9qtTIPzqt26+SoWVrb9OcoG3uA2TXgcSl2rI0Sz2JfSwrI8a62pIOP+xrk2NSUzX UYQuqSaS5L+pDeUSvRnwEnOIkLo3iEvXP5EKaazRstOBlMp2ouZPw+3JRHM/bPrO YFoRpvm544bBC0tfB+beKZVzcn6yNGGNBPRh4snOh4gKlAnl9dfOw/dPGJJmUxz0 aJzDimO8b9aKfTlBk5HCEJx3WQxtLvmYwVQOcVPW54ul5ckfvDGmOvueV0ynrWUl 2Qn0+Tmc2/kEpe1y6voYGvgQWy/dji7+qlfIQpth9xU/NtxZJEczjRAd0G1NZ34= =zbG8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/6ovJ1ChuCWg3fNzb8yoa2v0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 11:23:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBACB1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:23:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A0B8FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BCC3D7D8 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:23:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA7BNa0f002028 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:23:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:23:36 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101107122336.9826a06b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101107055142.0c9d94ce@scorpio> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107094312.911d76c7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107055142.0c9d94ce@scorpio> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:23:38 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:51:42 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:43:12 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700, Chip Camden > > wrote: > > > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. > > > > Bloat. :-) I was just kidding, but maybe you want a serious discussion about terminology, well, no problem. :-) > Bloat can easily be defined as something one user does not > need/require. As my understanding, bloat refers to the tradition, mainly driven by "rapid application development", to stack tons of dependencies and abstraction layers in order to re-implement existing functionality in programs that ugraded some of their main libraries. This usually goes along with a reduction of accessibility or ease of use. Furthermore, resource requirements increase, and overall usage speed goes down. Often this is caused by stuff that nobody needs, because it is totally UNUSABLE. This is bloat. > Essential can conversely be defined as something a user needs/desires. Agreed. > In other works, your bloat can easily be another user's requirements. At least I'm willing to admit that it *might* be that there are users who require software that justifies buying a new computer twice a year to keep them doing the same things. In conclusion, it might also be possible that some users enjoy waiting times. > If you are happy wiping your ass with your bare hand, then fine. Many > of use prefer to use toilet paper which perhaps you might define as > "toiletry bloat." Don't they own a toilet brush? :-) Okay, I'm getting serious again: The basic idea is having certain requirements. Those requirements emerge from personal opinions, experiences, and needs, and also from a growing amount of expectations. That whatever fits those requirements is the ideal solution. In one case, this can be KDE, in another case, this is Windowmaker, and in a third case, this is SSH. There is no way of saying "one KDE fits all" or similar. > To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?", the > answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of coffee. You need to install Kaffeine. :-) > Now, > if the user were to inquire as to what these two competing applications > have to offer, I might suggest that he/she start by visiting the > applications respective web sites for further details. Even more imporant, it's worth TRYING them. In use - and see how well they work. For example, I've been using KDE and Gnome in the past, and even try them from time to time to see how they did develop and if those requirements *I* have are already met. There are also many alternatives in the GUI sector, and even "split mode" is possible, e. g. use Blackbox as window manager, but use some of the KDE and Gnome programs side by side. THIS IS THE STRENGTH OF CHOICE. Especially novice users do not want choice. They primarily want something preinstalled and preconfigured. This is okay. The PC-BSD system fits this requirement well. Still, you have to make sure that certain requirement OF THE SOFTWARE are met, e. g. recent hardware that is supported (not too old, not too new). If hardware dictates what you can use (not just install and run, but ACTUALLY use), then KDE and Gnome are often a total no-go. Bloat, to come back to my initial statement, is the main cause of no-go. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 11:27:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DFC106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:27:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avf@eldamar.org.uk) Received: from sigurdson.opencodes.org (sigurdson.opencodes.org [217.14.120.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110838FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by sigurdson.opencodes.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0BAB9940FC; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:09:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:09:26 +0100 From: Alexander Frolkin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107110926.GG4221@eldamar.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 7820 960F C361 C9CE 401F D07D 993A 2951 D970 4FA4 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.24-21-server X-Editor: Vi X-Uptime: 21:14:07 up 15 days, 6:22, 6 users, load average: 2.49, 2.42, 2.40 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: How to disable syncookies & syncache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:27:46 -0000 Hi, I spent all day yesterday trying to get my FreeBSD box (8.1-RELEASE, amd64) to talk to a Qlogic 4010 iSCSI card. The problem is that when the Qlogic card tries to make a connection, FreeBSD resets it (SYN, SYN|ACK, ACK, RST). If I turn on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain, I can see a message similar to TCP: [172.16.25.2]:30557 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10; syncache_expand: TSECR 0 != TS 267223, segment rejected for each connection attempt. I've tried fiddling around with the net.inet.tcp.syn* sysctls, but all I've managed to to is change the message to TCP: [172.16.25.2]:29387 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10; syncache_expand: Segment failed SYNCOOKIE authentication, segment rejected (probably spoofed) (this was with net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only=1, I believe) --- the connection still gets reset, as before. The only "solution" I've found so far is to comment out the bit of code in sys/netinet/tcp_syncache.c that checks if TSECR == TS, but needless to say, this is horrible, and will probably create other problems. Now, I know what you're probably going to say --- the Qlogic card has a broken TCP implementation. While that may well be true, this is the card I have and I'm stuck with it, so there's not much I can about that. Any suggestions welcome. :-) Thanks! Alex -- -----------------------< Alexander Frolkin >----------------------- -----< avf@eldamar.org.uk >-----< http://www.eldamar.org.uk/ >----- ``I can't believe it. You actually found a practical use for geometry!'' -- Bart Simpson, ``Dead Putting Society'' From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 11:39:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CDC106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mail.gelita.se (212-162-182-244.skbbip.com [212.162.182.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D6C8FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.gelita.se (localhost.gelita.se [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gelita.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CC610EE05; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:40:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at troback.com Received: from mail.gelita.se ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.gelita.se (mail.gelita.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NvCksOulpiBw; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:40:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mail.gelita.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE4710EE04; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:40:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD68FE8.3060508@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:39:20 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tushar770@gmail.com References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> In-Reply-To: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:39:17 -0000 >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar wrote: >> >>> I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... >>> please help... I use Win7 and FreeBSD in a dualboot configuration because of the need for USB connectivity for some of the Windows apps. I have Garmin mapsource for my GPS and iTunes for my iPod. /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 11:44:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E1C106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612DD8FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4005455bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:44:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ph063RyqWqr6qtf1fAPqtxlUmd2cwJAxn497pKt8wsU=; b=t3uT13wOo/lVcI2+NM2JLD5UCKw5vn1CkCQfCxF2ufPzabw7w0VQKIGWuhAlHP01fg fsFpSWLKmpFi+yqKiLMvRcjuV60KrNtBfqdZU+xpOMnlNrqF3i2tveT1TH53rCf/mKMZ S63V0A7ZdTNbg76wxNbnWAoya/8Pnx3snTrjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YoEg9N+7Uujag9cYSM91it8G9rt/jJj7eD04rIQ0z4buniWpcn5C/Pv5bQi8JXxUhs fR0DXncYfQXRi2GdbWUyGKQmH+ji7mN/hDZD9o6N3s5CTza7E25IbDQIiao4IQC/POs7 wy+bebu7zp2QqZBuxo3E5Zp4O3Hw9GWhuk3xQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.208 with SMTP id j16mr3229507bkg.193.1289130294519; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.101.197 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:44:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CD68FE8.3060508@eskk.nu> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4CD68FE8.3060508@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 03:44:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: Leslie Jensen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tushar770@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:44:57 -0000 I guess the virtualbox supplied under puel license has full USB support. may be good to check out if you are not averse to a more restrictive licensing. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Tushar =A0wrote: >>> >>>> I want to use windows and freeBSD, both of them at the same time... >>>> please help... > > > I use Win7 and FreeBSD in a dualboot configuration because of the need fo= r > USB connectivity for some of the Windows apps. > > I have Garmin mapsource for my GPS and iTunes for my iPod. > > /Leslie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Best=A0 Regards, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 12:27:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10751106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mail.gelita.se (212-162-182-244.skbbip.com [212.162.182.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2ED8FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.gelita.se (localhost.gelita.se [127.0.0.1]) by mail.gelita.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCDF10EDFF; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:28:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at troback.com Received: from mail.gelita.se ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.gelita.se (mail.gelita.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XFRWahpGQza; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:28:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) by mail.gelita.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4171210E50A; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:28:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD69B3E.30709@eskk.nu> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:27:42 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mubeesh ali References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <4CD68FE8.3060508@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tushar770@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:27:39 -0000 On 2010-11-07 12:44, Mubeesh ali wrote: > I guess the virtualbox supplied under puel license has full USB > support. may be good to check out if you are not averse to a more > restrictive licensing. > With the OSE version in the ports tree I've not considered the PUEL version. Can you provide links on how to install it? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 12:31:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3511106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:31:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from invalid.pointer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB6A8FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so3014831gya.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:31:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yyV4CF5Gvwy8A1cIQwfmirUxaHaVEPKrg+hBVOSGrDo=; b=IBxtoNOuLatVPOv+mxN5kKMbh44CPHWX9OD870wK3NsEISvb/qDkhUuS4ms1KbEE7E lXrcx9KF5b+Ifj4yZbkWjrVkQ2Yjz7/XSeTWK5pcY6ycSyceaP1+8I0FwG86SOwv7Wpv +8O0ig1qp5tSefPuT9FhB2mW4xf2CrXYtboFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uAg8IU9z4/iVaGEnbOXebJ+EvB0cuHJia/zzPhnz9Wj7i8kHXE5qVGJmY7peOD+Dyw lvvqKXkSTIjDEz+rizYSyC7DTAEUungbh7fuPc/AiMyOwp9KTwyDI9jis7nMyV+EuzOJ CwtrIaOVLBRpipf/J77olr26V5AYTIfRWTbmM= Received: by 10.150.212.10 with SMTP id k10mr6636648ybg.395.1289131240327; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([14.96.143.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm1387933ybj.8.2010.11.07.04.00.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:00:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CD69519.2060600@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:31:29 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How to go about installing drivers for Huawei EC1261 USB stick+modem on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:31:20 -0000 Hi, This is the first time I am using ppp on FreeBSD : till now I had exclusively used ethernet. I just purchased a Huawei USB stick+modem and I need to configure PPP for it. Can somebody kindly give me a pointer to what steps I need to follow ? I don't know the list of drivers I need to install to get internet up. I don't care much about the stick's mass storage capabilities; it is the modem I am interested in enabling. Would be really nice if someone could post a sample ppp.conf. Thanks Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 12:38:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC254106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ED58FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oA7CcG61014798; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:38:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:38:15 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Alexander Frolkin In-Reply-To: <20101107120028.E549610656CA@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101107232708.U66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101107120028.E549610656CA@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to disable syncookies & syncache X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:38:43 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 14, Message: 2 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:09:26 +0100 Alexander Frolkin wrote: > Hi, > > I spent all day yesterday trying to get my FreeBSD box (8.1-RELEASE, > amd64) to talk to a Qlogic 4010 iSCSI card. > > The problem is that when the Qlogic card tries to make a connection, > FreeBSD resets it (SYN, SYN|ACK, ACK, RST). > > If I turn on net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain, I can see a message similar to > > TCP: [172.16.25.2]:30557 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10; > syncache_expand: TSECR 0 != TS 267223, segment rejected > > for each connection attempt. > > I've tried fiddling around with the net.inet.tcp.syn* sysctls, but all > I've managed to to is change the message to > > TCP: [172.16.25.2]:29387 to [172.16.25.1]:3260 tcpflags 0x10; > syncache_expand: Segment failed SYNCOOKIE authentication, segment > rejected (probably spoofed) > > (this was with net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only=1, I believe) --- the > connection still gets reset, as before. > > The only "solution" I've found so far is to comment out the bit of code > in sys/netinet/tcp_syncache.c that checks if TSECR == TS, but needless > to say, this is horrible, and will probably create other problems. > > Now, I know what you're probably going to say --- the Qlogic card has a > broken TCP implementation. While that may well be true, this is the > card I have and I'm stuck with it, so there's not much I can about that. > > Any suggestions welcome. :-) Only that if I had such an issue I'd head for net@freebsd.org and post the above there, where the syncache cookie monsters tend to hang out :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 12:54:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377AA106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:54:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8D88FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4035191bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:54:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LyxQIfxAdRjckcYWZcE3FGQBdbIivKJk4dUz+2XzWbE=; b=BDXJo0EdEkHxSTaWfLb8yilAMmKJa5QYJWiyNeLupgytT4V9eOgbxcKHwXzne1CZgt mfeaQF1SKM/aaCGxPbxg5Oh/eg8tItVKP7f6yHXXUBOSTmXi7+DDMOROzQgYU+kqlN21 Qkqk2cO3bNVlbCiiw8F9MPNMQvGtyVcfnYhew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TykK+fXSnPnU+TGoSW+m+oyxNHVmozclFLdlZqLQuYxiyfbQ0vQ7zbvmR3LJlk+8ot 0W8umVe1qrSubT9JPiCMMiIk3Mpxz3dBxh1pMHcFKWFguwhBqUIgEtdATbVPGUqID8W9 fKUWT1ahjX7h79eKp6wv5K6kjgb5b0VOMCB14= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.137.193 with SMTP id x1mr3844822bkt.165.1289134441424; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 04:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 04:54:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:54:03 -0000 Hello, I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can run some vms. I am using this guide: http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen I get down to this step: cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install and it fails to build: [root@LBSD2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator Error expanding embedded variable. Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work? thanks! -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 13:01:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D101065696 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12258FC24 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwg8 with SMTP id 8so3878032qwg.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:01:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.20.21 with SMTP id d21mr2963824qab.26.1289134875452; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.41.68 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:01:15 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.203.62.227] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:01:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Tim Dunphy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:01:16 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Hello, > > =A0I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can > run some vms. I am using this guide: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen > > I get down to this step: > > cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install > > and it fails to build: > > [root@LBSD2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install > "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator > "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk > "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk > "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator > "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator > Error expanding embedded variable. Just guessing: it looks like you need to use gmake instead of make. > Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work? > > thanks! -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 13:02:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868B31065672 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEC68FC21 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2389E7217; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:01:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:01:55 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Tim Dunphy Message-ID: <20101107130155.000040d6@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:02:00 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:54:01 -0500 Tim Dunphy wrote: > [root@LBSD2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install > "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator > "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk > "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk > "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator > "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator > "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator > Error expanding embedded variable. > > > Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work? Looks like you might need to use GNU make ("gmake") instead of "make"? -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 13:52:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8965C106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D00B8FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2491377ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.14.146 with SMTP id g18mr3365976eba.18.1289137940396; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 05:52:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 05:52:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:52:23 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > > I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that > reside in a package called "bsdutils". I have built and installed > the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things > are going very badly indeed. > > Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? The errors I am > getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my > /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs > # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib > non-free > > # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted > contrib non-free > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources: > > > % apt-get source bsdutils > Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package > lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building > dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency > tree... Done > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > E: Could not open file > /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources > - open (2 No such file or directory) > I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort of db needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db...... (man apt-get?) Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 14:03:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08E21065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C998FC1D for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12034E721C; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:03:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:03:53 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20101107140353.00005ef0@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:03:58 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:52:00 -0500 Chris Brennan wrote: > I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort > of db needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db...... > (man apt-get?) "apt-get update" -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 09:54:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351621065679 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mr.abbasy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BCC8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so3966576bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:54:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EcWRlTqbCMB/TG1f9an8hY9IoXOp8cuuUzEVcpnrztw=; b=MMdP3IpCXMAVlCg1MAAd6WHJZfD9TJOoMA0ucArs911ZcUIjJ+PegSRITFDvfxHM+i cwNCTSqBsJ/pSEquqbCcXzWdRpd5H7Cqiks/sVhNpkHgHgmedlZ0afLs6UokcnXZ4O2j u8gFGOSFK4ERNv86fow5Wr31YRoWw2agAzr4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Xs1WiqTbvcDks85BLhtibP56SpS5968f69mOXC5LQOnFw5JER6g6SUDXKumapZXSkr PiSJXI7txh+4Ca4VFHxLY0ir7sNR7/0dSeJQp+SXWk0YdcNsw0fyZ5YfcFJMrjGk6cSA yEh8Spv1SkjFix+GA0memuo5o2E/IgZ50D1U8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.117.196 with SMTP id s4mr3558745bkq.78.1289122345364; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.23.8 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 01:32:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:32:25 +0800 Message-ID: From: Mohammad Reza Abbasy To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:32:54 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Certification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:54:46 -0000 Dear Lady,Sir I am very eager to get a certification for the FreeBSD but I do not know how? I am in Malaysia. Is there any branch in Malaysia? Is there any material for learning FreeBSD by myself?If yes, how can I get them? Many thanks. -- *-----------------------------------* *Mohammad Reza Abbasy* UTM University *Mobile* : +60176731832 *Email * : mr.abbasy@gmail.com ramohammad2@live.utm.my Are you lost? I am your map. "GOD" ------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 14:51:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192E5106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69D88FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2502175ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.199 with SMTP id i7mr398369ebi.44.1289141516294; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:51:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 06:51:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <303002.73329.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:51:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:51:59 -0000 On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > > It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to FreeBSD. >> > > No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port > ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper > actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for > wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of > expertise) > > > > So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and FreeBSD64? > Did you know... > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 15:12:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AA4106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2CC8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.28.18] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PF6us-0003ZC-Ex; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:12:23 +0100 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA7FCKv7003478; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:12:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oA7FCKjR003477; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:12:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:12:19 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Manish Jain Message-ID: <20101107151219.GA3445@current.Sisis.de> References: <4CD69519.2060600@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4CD69519.2060600@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.28.18 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to go about installing drivers for Huawei EC1261 USB stick+modem on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:12:27 -0000 El da Sunday, November 07, 2010 a las 05:31:29PM +0530, Manish Jain escribi: > > Hi, > This is the first time I am using ppp on FreeBSD : till now I had > exclusively used ethernet. > I just purchased a Huawei USB stick+modem and I need to configure PPP > for it. Can somebody kindly give me a pointer to what steps I need to > follow ? I don't know the list of drivers I need to install to get > internet up. I don't care much about the stick's mass storage > capabilities; it is the modem I am interested in enabling. Would be > really nice if someone could post a sample ppp.conf. > Thanks > Manish Jain kldload 'ubsa' and see if it supports this Huawei card. If so, you may follow more or less the chap. 6 of my paper http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC-8CURRENT.txt HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 15:24:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79106106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jclear@speakeasy.net) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E4B8FC15 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25611 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 15:24:20 -0000 Received: from dsl092-238-005.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [10.19.62.7]) (jclear@[66.92.238.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Nov 2010 15:24:20 -0000 From: Jed Clear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: re: restart virtualbox X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:24:21 -0000 yanxinyoou: > i intall virturl box like this: >=20 > # cd /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox > # make install clean=20 >=20 > # cd /boot /modules /*however i forgot do this commander =20= > # ls vbox* /*i also forgot > vboxdrv.ko vboxnetadp.ko vboxnetflt.ko >=20 > # echo 'vboxdrv_load=3D"yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf > # echo 'ng_ether_load=3D"yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf > # echo 'ng_ether_load=3D"yes"' >> /boot/loader.conf >=20 > # cat /boot/loader.conf > vboxdrv_load=3D"yes" > vboxnetflt_load=3D"yes" > ng_ether_load=3D"yes" The man page implies that "YES" should be upper case. > after i restart bsd auto restart ! >=20 > i think it caused by i made a mistake on loader.conf >=20 > but i don't know how to do now=20 >=20 > i can't get in the system to change the /boot/loader.conf Try Interrupting the loader and unloading the kernel modules before = continuing the boot. = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html= You'll also probably want to boot single user until you resolve the = issue. Failing that boot from a recovery CD, mount the / filesystem and edit.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 15:36:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649BB10657C3 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onemda@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6C98FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb28 with SMTP id 28so1050398wwb.31 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:36:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vTXXHT6PMS8+hccgXbF+aUHG2DOrct9MCktpuqrNgVY=; b=uWnP+ZL0/EMXXQV86Z/Cygjp7I1ilxEDcsW7aj9Qk2odvlQqUaHjqu39j2RvMDtIfO Z1anZYWREUWzOmTFymzw1/mCwlm7zJ9I521kk1MVAAb+qUonJexzIbSjGqyiXnenpFOm kL1+S4dc5gXQU4jcvPYHZ1AaAtgr4gG0mWLh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=oMw9QfnnXeBJvb5j/CDTwxRtPWekkBnI2DWXyqWREaLGFa8KtJFLlg24AaXnroQ1Pu cD7uvUySLvkE/OyFcR1W3VCPe73HSpyJMeqV8WLXMyEEAXuysZlYZWZZDzryfYWeK65f wMlKZjF4toqUqtry68sTrf0GYhSzgMPiJ4MiU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.78 with SMTP id f14mr529445wbs.147.1289144171870; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.50.140 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:36:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <303002.73329.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: Paul B Mahol To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:36:14 -0000 On 11/7/10, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > >> >> It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to FreeBSD. >>> >> >> No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port >> ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper >> actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for >> wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of >> expertise) >> >> >> >> > So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and > FreeBSD64? There is hope. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:18:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57213106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4098FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4160868bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+J4pciIjFSWBe72aQRJGlJeqbdSaxYAGjk+n4iUftWA=; b=s5yCBKQXBJ81d3ub1YsSgNF2OjvxiJl8LKsW53mOb7xREHP+aT5DZqAgNcyEZAlGl9 tMA/vgPHxkyxNVCPnAuds81fOWFR8cp4KxyKCTSeUw/Gp28A6ZtzrEpOvTQyGNOLqYfV TsQYNpfQt+PL+sqYRx7VZScGDgYbgjE5yhHcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lmiueBXiBAVIwgcz7Rp7+ZRPqtnNOyUDvJOGkJUEdwf2OUAYkP9k4gY13w2Si5CXoT Xwxy1Ohg/v2MXp68FzoN4kBo/2B5p9rov3kxSCEahLedspfdS6J+UujHfTFvDP6UZX84 AIF9EhDjg/6jTfmbE2tvIBmGHheWlNLgDAYhw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.102.78 with SMTP id f14mr4027912bko.30.1289146736636; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101107130155.000040d6@unknown> References: <20101107130155.000040d6@unknown> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:18:58 -0000 Guys, Thanks gmake has gotten me much farther than make has! :) However the install is still failing: gmake libxenctrl.a libxenctrl.so libxenctrl.so.3.2 libxenctrl.so.3.2.0 libxenguest.a libxenguest.so libxenguest.so.3.2 libxenguest.so.3.2.0 getconf: no such configuration parameter `LFS_CFLAGS' gmake[4]: Entering directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -march=i686 -DNDEBUG -fno-strict-aliasing -std=gnu99 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused-value -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D__XEN_TOOLS__ -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -mno-tls-direct-seg-refs -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes -I. -I../xenstore -Wp,-MD,.xc_core.o.d -c -o xc_core.o xc_core.c In file included from xg_private.h:16, from xc_core.c:52: xc_private.h:18:29: error: xen/sys/privcmd.h: No such file or directory In file included from xg_private.h:16, from xc_core.c:52: xc_private.h:86: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'privcmd_hypercall_t' xc_private.h: In function 'do_xen_version': xc_private.h:90: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:90: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once xc_private.h:90: error: for each function it appears in.) xc_private.h:90: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' xc_private.h:92: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:96: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' xc_private.h: In function 'do_domctl': xc_private.h:102: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:102: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' xc_private.h:106: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:115: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' xc_private.h: In function 'do_sysctl': xc_private.h:131: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:131: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' xc_private.h:135: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) xc_private.h:144: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' xc_private.h: At top level: xc_private.h:158: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'privcmd_mmap_entry_t' gmake[4]: *** [xc_core.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' gmake[3]: *** [build] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' gmake[2]: *** [install] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools' gmake[1]: *** [install-tools] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg' gmake: *** [world] Error 2 I was wondering if you might have any further suggestions that might get this working. regards On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:54:01 -0500 > Tim Dunphy wrote: > >> [root@LBSD2:/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg]#make world && make install >> "Makefile", line 9: Need an operator >> "Config.mk", line 12: Missing dependency operator >> "Config.mk", line 14: Need an operator >> "Config.mk", line 31: Could not find /config/.mk >> "Config.mk", line 32: Could not find /config/.mk >> "Config.mk", line 34: Missing dependency operator >> "Config.mk", line 37: Need an operator >> "Config.mk", line 53: Need an operator >> Error expanding embedded variable. >> >> >> Does anyone have any advice on how to get this to work? > > Looks like you might need to use GNU make ("gmake") instead of "make"? > > -- > Bruce Cran > -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:25:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56F31065672 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=092029914f=johnl@iecc.com) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [64.57.183.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AB78FC21 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 71177 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 15:58:31 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (64.57.183.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2010 15:58:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=10908.4cd6cca7.k1011; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=zbXlavaljIA7fYMZHbua3hXdhS7bJ1NVQMVM1ol/U44=; b=apBtWuoO5bC7UC3MKB6lxsz/oe1kUBATe5+/h7Pd4WaiUkqiecIyHluGiZgJyKY9qn8nzMJNjwNd5skYd6VQ3zeJj6uUt4q0BHh/Qub0IC4A44zwpdSV8IO6OPqZvcAOtaffj55RYibmD1oh/I18FqruzJRZ/jW9jV3C7togtso= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 7 Nov 2010 15:58:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20101107155831.67847.qmail@joyce.lan> From: John Levine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:25:13 -0000 In article <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> you write: >I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that >reside in a package called "bsdutils". So get them, already. No need to screw around with Linux binary installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:28:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDA61065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD438FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3734095fxm.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:28:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AY9a8SAMru5BVUrD33/Tj05zJoGuDQ7faPWC1IQYbAA=; b=GUUnrJhzxKTelF3F/NL6mPDKZZ/8Eul2puQVfvG1rK/V5H34iuSY7rlt/1fIWJf2zK bXL09TkvxJOOLXKE0t2xbLVD/KKYfzrEuVpV6cLIpgDngBhIeR3gjnEu/s9favqtfF2H YuqD6IrFczBlEe0fgk1i2q3URGKUN9O2Yr/Gk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=XGo1+Gy0z0RNUCMkAqB6rcrs3i8MlGGLzn8+oEOmRKnwnOcPBhm/ncV4CQj/Aueum6 /gtde8Alik4mXiop3dcB6RJdcU/HR3RxCHcLCbI+JR3xOrz9lRcyRKtA/rVu9e5cKSJq j5lBvjE9RW9HakNtQAgohMQBQ3B+XJaSkH6Zc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.6 with SMTP id u6mr2888736fal.6.1289147286356; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:28:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:28:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Tim Dunphy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:28:08 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Hello, > > I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can > run some vms. I am using this guide: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen > > I get down to this step: > > cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install > > and it fails to build: > You may wish to read that page again. Dom0 support doesn't exist in FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best. Your virtualization options are VirtualBox or FreeBSD jails. There's another container based method that's experimental somewhere too. Changing your root shell is asking for trouble. There's a FAQ on it, and hundreds of threads of misery. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/book.html#TOOR-ACCOUNT -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:30:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63320106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC9B8FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2533925ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.108.196 with SMTP id g4mr3156323ebp.31.1289147443598; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:30:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:30:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <303002.73329.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Paul B Mahol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Subject: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:30:45 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 11/7/10, Chris Brennan wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Chris Brennan > wrote: > > > >> > >> It is faster/easier to fix NDISulator than to port ndiswrapper to > FreeBSD. > >>> > >> > >> No doubt it would be faster and easier to fix NDISulator then to port > >> ndiswrapper. This at least answers my question as to weather ndiswrapper > >> actually works/exists in FreeBSD64. So am I basically screwed here for > >> wireless till it is fixed (I'm no programmer so it's out of my field of > >> expertise) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > So there is no hope for me to get wireless working w/ this card and > > FreeBSD64? > > There is hope. > Lead the way brother! Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:34:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C525F1065675 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F1F8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oA7GWFCg007357 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:15 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011071632.oA7GWFCg007357@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:34:21 -0000 > To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:13:53 -0700 > From: "justin v" > Subject: Installed memory today, questions immediately > > I installed 4GB or memory today. I rebooted and see this, the first line > after the splash menu thing: > > 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored > > dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well: > > real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) > avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB) > > is a stick bad perhaps? Looking at this a little more carefully, the memory itself is fine The problem is _where_ it is being mapped into the address-space at. The first line is the give-awy ".... above 4GB ignored." At this point I'm *guessing*, but it looks like 'main memory' is gettnig mapped into the address-space in 1gb chunks and there is "something" (probably video memory) occuping space up to 0x?38000000 maybe a 128mb video card mapped in at a base 768mb If there is a way to relocate where the (presumed video) memory is mapped, say, down to a bae of 128mb, you could potentialy pick up 640 megs of usable memory. giving 3-3/4 gig less a bit, instead of barely 3 gigs. It's worth checking the video board manual and/or 'configuration' utility for a tweak. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:35:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E32D106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D63C8FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so3735965fxm.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:35:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=59CdA+VQ2Rf2ViXI78jFTA6zD55VBnjpi2DFfhy3BfQ=; b=XkwfKsbLaGTn7fqy9p+m/PQY2to5mreErBRUFf2Y60VCDAibzEfazzN+iGxeaCQ9xw E1m8YGqeXGPaNQenCfqWMsbzS5W5OZIXBRuxcV0SIctR/gGX7e+Zq7OIX2EWsslXMmQX kCI7olrmwoU3lo3xxdaLDJiDorV+P9c4/v4Q8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eYPHGOwHK66ntDlTPq/AX/GPmRL6JN+RomDaLOc+Rs5dX+BaPvTxbgVA2A99raNXGY EdqE32zHAs1tOY/k8MltXr5HsPtxSSKvQrAXFTX0BkquPAQVmkvdAFb8LfQeolcDgilo DcRKDTZrB/QigRKwZ7KUI0mFdOyH7aERm+/yk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.122.204 with SMTP id m12mr2872027far.44.1289147711025; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:35:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101107155831.67847.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> <20101107155831.67847.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:35:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: John Levine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:35:12 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:58 AM, John Levine wrote: > In article <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> you write: > >I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that > >reside in a package called "bsdutils". > > So get them, already. No need to screw around with Linux binary > installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list: > > http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils > Of course you're correct for what the OP is doing but actually in way this a kind of a cool idea. If you could modify the apt-get installer to know FreeBSD's linux compat layout and brand the binaries appropriately you would have a fabously easy method of installing linux bins although I guess you'd have better luck doing it yum rather than apt-get. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:39:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AAD106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C688E8FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4177170bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a6CayYcFNbWseJrQlPnX/YQfXb3LVBcweyJirrEDIHw=; b=tG56pcnefsZ1/NmLOIaOb+3C3rtZUqRiakvsJ4jYMeaJdSA2ioAcb1M9vN27TZWKIQ +XSnvTTVRQGni2cKtVUVHwi2cZCJUaFSZqYZ/JE0iCOmQa/4A7csuuwi2dq5RGzKJuom P8Ei4RZ4dRdVPqRUPz8IrmcJIHUOOpzMqrWtw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ulQf0A9ieMpFvbXfN5WwlK+0clG8B3ppxQ5H/mI7e5SptEQRjnlvsiyjPIIYtXMM7e FWvdh2BKOl7JUFaxFXLehz6dCS+yM3uwFQay3/8x/rZXjfzOBJeYK4SuHzb9ceU2EYbP JpLm/PxeYd8W3H20+sFOrveohw2msImL+FRPU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.130 with SMTP id m2mr4026202bkg.111.1289147947094; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:39:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: Tim Dunphy To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:39:09 -0000 Adam, Thanks for clarifying. And my root shell is csh. I am merely executing bash so I have the convenience of command line completion. best! On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Adam Vande More wr= ote: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Tim Dunphy wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> =A0I am attempting to turn my two FreeBSD hosts into xen hosts that can >> run some vms. I am using this guide: >> >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen >> >> I get down to this step: >> >> cd xen-3.3-testing.hg ; make world && make install >> >> and it fails to build: > > You may wish to read that page again.=A0 Dom0 support doesn't exist in > FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best. > > Your virtualization options are VirtualBox or FreeBSD jails.=A0 There's > another container based method that's experimental somewhere too. > > Changing your root shell is asking for trouble.=A0 There's a FAQ on it, a= nd > hundreds of threads of misery. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/book.html#TOOR-ACCOUNT > > -- > Adam Vande More > --=20 Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 16:46:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256471065672 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E118FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oA7GieDb007440; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:44:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:44:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011071644.oA7GieDb007440@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: bluethundr@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:46:45 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Nov 7 10:17:51 2010 > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:18:56 -0500 > From: Tim Dunphy > To: freebsd-questions > Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host > > Guys, > > Thanks gmake has gotten me much farther than make has! :) However the > install is still failing: > > gmake libxenctrl.a libxenctrl.so libxenctrl.so.3.2 libxenctrl.so.3.2.0 > libxenguest.a libxenguest.so libxenguest.so.3.2 libxenguest.so.3.2.0 > getconf: no such configuration parameter `LFS_CFLAGS' > gmake[4]: Entering directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' > gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -m32 -march=i686 -DNDEBUG > -fno-strict-aliasing -std=gnu99 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wno-unused-value -Wdeclaration-after-statement -D__XEN_TOOLS__ > -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -mno-tls-direct-seg-refs > -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes -I. -I../xenstore -Wp,-MD,.xc_core.o.d > -c -o xc_core.o xc_core.c > In file included from xg_private.h:16, > from xc_core.c:52: > xc_private.h:18:29: error: xen/sys/privcmd.h: No such file or directory > In file included from xg_private.h:16, > from xc_core.c:52: > xc_private.h:86: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' > before 'privcmd_hypercall_t' > xc_private.h: In function 'do_xen_version': > xc_private.h:90: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use in > this function) > xc_private.h:90: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > xc_private.h:90: error: for each function it appears in.) > xc_private.h:90: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' > xc_private.h:92: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) > xc_private.h:96: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' > xc_private.h: In function 'do_domctl': > xc_private.h:102: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use > in this function) > xc_private.h:102: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' > xc_private.h:106: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) > xc_private.h:115: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' > xc_private.h: In function 'do_sysctl': > xc_private.h:131: error: 'privcmd_hypercall_t' undeclared (first use > in this function) > xc_private.h:131: error: expected ';' before 'hypercall' > xc_private.h:135: error: 'hypercall' undeclared (first use in this function) > xc_private.h:144: error: too many arguments to function 'do_xen_hypercall' > xc_private.h: At top level: > xc_private.h:158: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' > before 'privcmd_mmap_entry_t' > gmake[4]: *** [xc_core.o] Error 1 > gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' > gmake[3]: *** [build] Error 2 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools/libxc' > gmake[2]: *** [install] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg/tools' > gmake[1]: *** [install-tools] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/xen-3.2-testing.hg' > gmake: *** [world] Error 2 > > I was wondering if you might have any further suggestions that might > get this working. if you -read- the output carefully, you discover that it is complaining abouot not being able to find an include file. a file named: xen/sys/privcd.h You need to figure out _where_ that file is on your system, and arrange to include the parent directory in the 'include search path' when you compile that module. the cc '-I" flag. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:17:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F061065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:17:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D465F8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA7HHRoD018898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:17:27 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oA7HHRoD018898 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1289150247; bh=GrLNidUtcNhVn9TQHGcHQH2K8Rkny4QlUeAtHulO4Cg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2007=20Nov=202010=2017:17:19=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac= 20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-GB=3B=20rv:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Th underbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebs d.org|Subject:=20Re:=20ZFS=20License=20and=20Future|References:=20 =09<4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net>=09<20101105213433.GC8648@guil t.hydra>=09=09<4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com>=20<20101106161031.GB12418 @guilt.hydra>|In-Reply-To:=20<20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra>| X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type: =20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D" application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig 7358A2007BC11A6D2C5848C8"; b=QgcYDKn1q9xvMva7fqdLGdGAabQJaXe3ppROOI2uz19SLoiEHn3k7NWJ7EX6aC+Z6 PoS3e3AQdu1JYaZzwHa/hskI3OeKQxVpKEK/eileG7pU2GqYNMj+BOK+f5/jnHPQJ8 XJLiLbtug1Spl7RTF5cAIuDRUcyxF88PAzIBORoc= Message-ID: <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:17:19 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7358A2007BC11A6D2C5848C8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:17:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7358A2007BC11A6D2C5848C8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote: > Will Oracle lawyers > find some patent related to the creation of that software the company > "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the > survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely, > somehow. Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is. That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators. Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel implementation that avoided patented areas. An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature 'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing 'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas? This flies in the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that innovation be encouraged. I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to pursue such a case through the courts. I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP. Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what open source projects do best: writing code. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig7358A2007BC11A6D2C5848C8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzW3ycACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzP3gCfeqq8B/y+mkSJaWlgUzU9L+y3 ur4An0hh/PwurF1JegAHDkrLt0g7rQ/t =N1if -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7358A2007BC11A6D2C5848C8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:30:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C70106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669DB8FC12 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA7HUS9Z019053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:30:28 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oA7HUS9Z019053 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1289151029; bh=UWW03IMSc2ICpqre6HuS8fP85NTU2Jg5nHlaKLPiTD8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CD6E22E.8060909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20S un,=2007=20Nov=202010=2017:30:22=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac= 20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-GB=3B=20rv:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Th underbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Tim=20Dunphy=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions=20|Subject:=20Re:=20FreeBSD=20as=20a=20xen=20host|References:=2 0=09 =20< AANLkTikzgkWvL4FYvVuGyAhqF=3DMWU4mB4E64z2Db6651@mail.gmail.com>|In -Reply-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|C ontent-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20 protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"---- --------enigE88050C93EB523D7FF5964BA"; b=Uw84O+90mnFFcsKSujvnnoWoPgOIUBrDY2jYvdkZWeVjl6uYxaBpneqclO4RWdv3u f/J4fKVTqvKO/EjZ/c+zfcXG0RWF/EkaBKn/exlCcyIvhRGZfk7DGR6SVYB0YiLxvj eejPHs9OurzMSvoQcOM2D6MkHC1LOWOwZLg2mR6E= Message-ID: <4CD6E22E.8060909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:30:22 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Dunphy References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE88050C93EB523D7FF5964BA" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:30:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE88050C93EB523D7FF5964BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/11/2010 16:39, Tim Dunphy wrote: > Thanks for clarifying. And my root shell is csh. I am merely > executing bash so I have the convenience of command line completion. tcsh(1) does command line completion etc. etc. at least as well as bash(1) and sometimes arguably better (IMHO). Try adding: set autocorrect set autoexpand set autolist set matchbeep =3D nomatch to your .tcshrc -- there are plenty more variables to tweak behaviour with documented in the manual. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigE88050C93EB523D7FF5964BA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzW4jQACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy1iACfQaZPUJ8RC+nXx4iKVbr0zK+m VIIAoIK8G8cW0tVGS8U/bjtz62Lc818O =xmCW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE88050C93EB523D7FF5964BA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:39:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAC51065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rg.lists@rzweb.com) Received: from flabnapple.net (flabnapple.net [216.129.104.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB77D8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.flabnapple.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flabnapple.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2AD1CC04B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800 From: "Ron (Lists)" To: Message-ID: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> X-Sender: rg.lists@rzweb.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4 Subject: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:39:33 -0000 I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do anything. I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I get back is a command prompt. No error or any other message. portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. I've also noticed that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. I've tried running pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade. Running portsdb to try and rebuild the index doesn't help. Any ideas? I'm perplexed and Google is no help. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:41:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A885B106576A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C588FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PF95q-00073r-MB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:31:52 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:41:13 -0000 --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:54:46 -0700 > Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > > What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway? Besides overhead. >=20 > I don't expect to be able to convince you, but a lot of people find > desktop environments easier to use than a whole load of terminals. For > example I sometimes prefer to use kdiff3 instead of plain "svn diff" > and KDE makes that simple. >=20 > --=20 > Bruce Cran > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you use= them to improve productivity. I used to be a big believer in GUIs. Back in the early 90s, I experimented with creating my own completely visual development environment, with a high percentage of drag 'n' drop and doubleclick in place of command lines. Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down. It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and browser are equipped with usable shortcuts). I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, and navigability. No overlapping windows unless I say so. That's my experience. How does yours differ, and how does KDE/GNOME help? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1uSyAAoJEIpckszW26+R3OAIALYHL+aThgh8vmuKuPHOkhKL mN4ByEQp1K4fAjKvw1iq0BQnEeNy+cf3OgUTzvD1KzdVq3F9cP1a7VocW1V2SUSE G361bkWnMqypbzILhnneZMJNRrWsjKsKdETGXRNzhRZoModMV2pmTl1E7TRaGAex GG0aZMXwjcNiWYMiyUKph0PMXrYecg1S0pX+OoBETr58gANnD7NzThtyW2KmOtHb cRiqno7QIOgdpwWJHCRN8Tn8pHPr0DxEVnj5bgJ5kmMEs6FcujQQce5C3KNRAMc1 VLPa4rK3LI0zi1W3Kv6NRVn/f4Gfb06FIJ0jtChqiBapLFz1pGwTmVo2nrWb9h4= =g0fn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:47:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56471065675 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870ED8FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PF9Bw-0007Y8-7L for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:38:09 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:47:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:47:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107174724.GC77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <20101106203634.GD13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225708.GD67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <86lj55g73s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86lj55g73s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:47:29 -0000 --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Saturday, 06 November 2010: > >>>>> "Chip" =3D=3D Chip Camden writes: >=20 > Chip> The one in that list that worries me the most is VirtualBox -- that= 's a > Chip> truly useful solution that isn't easily replaced. But I read somew= here > Chip> that there was a movement gaining steam to break off from Oracle. >=20 > When I interviewed the VirtualBox guys for FLOSS Weekly > (http://twit.tv/floss130), they seemed pretty confident that Oracle was > going to keep fairly "hands off", in a way that was starkly contrasted > with some of the other former-Sun project leaders I've spoken to. > (Ugh, too early to fix the tortured english... I hope you get the point.) >=20 I hope it's more than wishful thinking on their part. I would trust Oracle to keep "hands off" for precisely as long as they do not perceive any reason to put "hands on". --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1uYsAAoJEIpckszW26+R9MYIAJhSyikKiOU8qSR50LSQ5wVo /oSfstjKBF4TpglE0Aa8GkCvCO+/k2bI8Jk17oRDj3YPKpFK+ZSMrBNAn2XiImsw l9VhlGcX/Piij2mTHsDwRLnSB4JWuiuCkHr7H1dSysjSTZds8JClNl99GTn51Ueu 4ZRZzuEXtLUnZb8x3pbrlE+4MjQdHX2o/UCpKFD3JWq1FVpeK+digOzo/55miiWg EmV6KW9aghHthX5w5AeKB8AyRyPQ56oy9WgwB60wWNbj9dIaMDQrY5nrNXiwmqfa q1HP/LHh20fJgo+1fUIMeBLWAbWd/TtO4E91Fl1cGwJpd+w6WZwGU83svxqOSlA= =UnJ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:57:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047ED106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936888FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2562390ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr3217373ebg.44.1289152643275; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:57:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:57:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Ron (Lists)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:57:25 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ron (Lists) wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do anything. > I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I get back is a > command prompt. No error or any other message. portversion seems to work > correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. > > Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. I've also noticed that > tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so that makes > me wonder if the database is screwed up. I've tried running pkgdb and it > just returns like portupgrade. Running portsdb to try and rebuild the index > doesn't help. > > Any ideas? I'm perplexed and Google is no help. > > Thanks > > Syntax is 'portupgrade www/apache' (/usr/ports is assumed) Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 17:58:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1392A106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32E68FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD1F3DCBD; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:58:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA7HwjgN001496; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:58:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:58:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chip Camden Message-Id: <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:58:48 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you use them to > improve productivity. Yes, would be interesting to know. Not that I deny it - I just have no evidence from my experience and observations on how this could be achieved. > I used to be a big believer in GUIs. I may admit that the more I'm using GUI based programs for everyday tasks regularly (e. g. MUA), I get more and more disappointed that it seems that I need to buy a new PC in order to keep the same average speed of operation. > Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down. A TrackPoint (the little joystick-like pointing device located in the middle of the keyboard) seems to be a good repacement for a regular mouse, and in any case for fingerslime glidepads. > It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows > or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and > browser are equipped with usable shortcuts). Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager) and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support. > I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, and > navigability. No overlapping windows unless I say so. Tiling window managers, as I've often seen, seem to be the choice of the advanced / professional users. Sadly, their magic didn't open up to me yet. :-) > That's my experience. How does yours differ, and how does KDE/GNOME > help? Again, I may share a very individual opinion about KDE and Gnome. If you're coming from a "Windows" background, things seem to be logical and "as expected" in those environments. If you're from a UNIX / X background, things look overcomplicated, illogical, and somewhat strange (like using the edit buffer for copying and moving files, the inability to handle windows focus and foreground independently). So a person like myself would have to spend many time clicking around in KDE or Gnome in order to configure it into something halfway usable. KDE and Gnome represent "(quite) closed ecosystems": There are programs for KDE, similar ones for Gnome, and they interact well with each other within their ecosystems. Mixed forms, a strength of generic UNIX and X applications, often becomes complicated. Even language issues (i18n) are typical symptoms of that "closed- ness". Coming back to your initial statement: For users EXPECTING something to act in a specific way, KDE and Gnome really "boost" their productivity, as it doesn't force them to question or relearn things they take for granted. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 18:05:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4121065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rg.lists@rzweb.com) Received: from flabnapple.net (flabnapple.net [216.129.104.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2F78FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.flabnapple.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flabnapple.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377641CC04C; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:05:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:05:57 -0800 From: "Ron (Lists)" To: Chris Brennan In-Reply-To: References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> Message-ID: <127c80aaf3449a6a4a7d1392c4d6099a@flabnapple.net> X-Sender: rg.lists@rzweb.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:05:57 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:57:03 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ron (Lists) wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do > anything.  I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all > I get back is a command prompt.  No error or any other message. >  portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, > etc. > > Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all.  I've also noticed > that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so > that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up.  I've tried > running pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade.  Running portsdb > to try and rebuild the index doesn't help. > > Any ideas?  I'm perplexed and Google is no help. > > Thanks > > Syntax is 'portupgrade www/apache' (/usr/ports is assumed) > 'portupgrade apache' has always worked before and adding the www/ in front does not fix the problem. Still the same results, e.g. nothing. :-) Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 18:08:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8479106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5B18FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414353DCC5; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:08:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA7I8NNp001548; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:08:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:08:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Ron (Lists)" Message-Id: <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:08:25 -0000 On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)" wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do > anything. I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I > get back is a command prompt. No error or any other message. > portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together with the category; in your case: % cd /usr/ports % sudo portupgrade www/apache > Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. I've also noticed > that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so > that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. The expansion is handled by the shell, and based on the content of directories accessed. If you follow the example above, autocomplete should work fine. > I've tried running > pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade. That should not be; did you run this? # pkgdb -aF This is the most common call for that program, issued as root (or via su or sudo or super). > Running portsdb to try and > rebuild the index doesn't help. See from the manpage: Note that INDEX file is updated every few hours on official site, it is recommended that you run ``portsdb -Fu'' after every CVSup of the ports tree in order to keep them always up-to-date and in sync with the ports tree. > Any ideas? I'm perplexed and Google is no help. I can suggest reading the manpages of the programs in question before consulting google. One of FreeBSD's strengths is its EXCELLENT documentation. Know about that fact, and it will help you in many situations. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 18:15:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD9106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rg.lists@rzweb.com) Received: from flabnapple.net (flabnapple.net [216.129.104.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB98FC17 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.flabnapple.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flabnapple.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9941CC04C; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:15:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:15:22 -0800 From: "Ron (Lists)" To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> X-Sender: rg.lists@rzweb.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:15:22 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:08:23 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)" wrote: >> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do >> anything. I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I >> get back is a command prompt. No error or any other message. >> portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. > > You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together > with the category; in your case: > > % cd /usr/ports > % sudo portupgrade www/apache > > > >> Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. I've also noticed >> that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so >> that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. > > The expansion is handled by the shell, and based on the content of > directories accessed. If you follow the example above, autocomplete > should work fine. > > > >> I've tried running >> pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade. > > That should not be; did you run this? > > # pkgdb -aF > > This is the most common call for that program, issued as root (or via > su or sudo or super). > > > >> Running portsdb to try and >> rebuild the index doesn't help. > > See from the manpage: > > Note that INDEX file is updated every few hours on official > site, it is recommended that you run ``portsdb -Fu'' after > every CVSup of the ports tree in order to keep them always > up-to-date and in sync with the ports tree. > > > >> Any ideas? I'm perplexed and Google is no help. > > I can suggest reading the manpages of the programs in question > before consulting google. One of FreeBSD's strengths is its > EXCELLENT documentation. Know about that fact, and it will > help you in many situations. :-) None of these suggestions help. I have never had to put www/ in front of the port name before. The tab expansion is handled by bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is why I suspect that I have a screwed up database. Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 18:32:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AFC106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D48FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so556444qyk.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:32:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.217.139 with SMTP id hm11mr4326548qcb.112.1289154725108; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.189.137 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:05 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.122] In-Reply-To: <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:05 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: "Ron (Lists)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:32:07 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:15, Ron (Lists) wrote: > None of these suggestions help. =A0I have never had to put www/ in front > of the port name before. =A0The tab expansion is handled by > bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was > typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is why I > suspect that I have a screwed up database. Perhaps it is fallout from recent infrastructure changes? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2010-October/205680.html Portupgrade doesn't seem to have an active maintainer, so perhaps try portmaster. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:16:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064511065672 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE7E8FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A820201D2 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VJjdZQCiIBtT for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5CB2019653 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B29F512C2; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id P4Olneegtax3; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 68585512CA; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:50:54 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107185054.GA29085@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/CURRENT (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:16:39 -0000 On Sun, Nov 07, 2010, Matthew Seaman wrote: >On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote: >> Will Oracle lawyers >> find some patent related to the creation of that software the company >> "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the >> survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely, >> somehow. > >Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or >their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is. >That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators. > >Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel >implementation that avoided patented areas. ROFL! Couldn't Sue? In the U.S.? SCO has been suing the world for years for using Linux when SCO distributed it under the GPL for years, years after their original lawsuits. All that's necessary to sue is willing lawyers and lots of cash. I have always thought that a major factor in Microsoft's sucess was initially Bill's Daddy's law firm, and later Microsoft's legal department ready to sue cometitors into oblivion. >I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to >pursue such a case through the courts. On the other hand, representatives from the Samba team were very instrumental in EU rulings related to Microsoft. I don't remember the details offhand, but I'm sure it's in the groklaw archives and searchable. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 ...government has nothing to give to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. In other workds, all its relief and subsidy schemes are merely ways of robbing Peter to support Paul -- Henry Hazlitt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:27:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B0C106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fred@blakemfg.com) Received: from mail.getnet.net (mail.getnet.net [216.19.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B89498FC1B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 15700 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 19:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 19:27:56 -0000 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at getnet.net Received: from mail.getnet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.getnet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2efGp6+WTaSt for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:27:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 15692 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2010 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ragnok.blakemfg.com) (fredb@216.19.219.132) by mail.getnet.net with ESMTPA; 7 Nov 2010 19:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700 From: Fred User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091021) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:27:57 -0000 Hello, According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that need updating". Does this apply to only installed ports or to everything in /usr/ports? Best regards, Fred From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:31:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AD31065674 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B6B8FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411E13CEA2; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA7JVBVj001805; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Fred Message-Id: <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:31:14 -0000 On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred wrote: > Hello, > > According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that > need updating". Does this apply to only installed ports or to > everything in /usr/ports? It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to upgrade them is "portupgrad -af". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:31:41 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:23:36 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > > To answer the question, "What does KDE or GNOME buy you anyway?", > > the answer is nothing. They have never even brought me a cup of > > coffee. > > You need to install Kaffeine. :-) Touché -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ "The administration I'll bring is a group of men and women who are focused on what's best for America --- honest men and women, decent men and women, women who will see service to our country as a great privilege and who will not stain the house." George W. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:50:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96261065679 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5E98FC15 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA7Jo065012561; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:50:01 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA7Jo07c012554; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:50:00 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 006B033C1F; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:49:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:49:59 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: "Ron (Lists)" Message-ID: <20101107194959.GA99311@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:50:04 -0000 On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 09:21:22AM -0800, Ron (Lists) wrote: > > I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do > anything. I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I > get back is a command prompt. No error or any other message. > portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. > > Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. I've also noticed > that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on the port names, so > that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. I've tried running > pkgdb and it just returns like portupgrade. Running portsdb to try and > rebuild the index doesn't help. > > Any ideas? I'm perplexed and Google is no help. > > Thanks > Give portupgrade the -v arg to get some debugging information. E.g: # sudo portupgrade -v apache\* Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:57:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013A3106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A968FC27 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj16 with SMTP id 16so3134297gwj.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.1.32 with SMTP id 32mr4276284aga.58.1289159842791; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4sm2967990yha.40.2010.11.07.11.57.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A46D4E54856 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:57:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:57:11 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/=a0O/bzuW4ytu_j9SZ9ZIok"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:57:24 -0000 --Sig_/=a0O/bzuW4ytu_j9SZ9ZIok Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:31:11 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports > > that need updating". Does this apply to only installed ports or to=20 > > everything in /usr/ports? >=20 > It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to > upgrade them is "portupgrad -af". ^^^^^^^^^^^ Using the 'f' flag can be expensive if there are a large number of ports installed and the machine in question is not relative fast. When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the "-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Kiss me twice. I'm schizophrenic. --Sig_/=a0O/bzuW4ytu_j9SZ9ZIok Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1wSfAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFLH8H+wTG8ytYxLnUOU2MFxEZ4+0k F89kFYuH2tmFDy5cbKKgFvCqzNQl6ANz13aJc3FL8cmO6mrMCNmn8h1ASddmO2Cj W/HGxDPKaZCygA5nrW5PVru+wZxeNpvqV4HW5aDJBcFAeScoNB8e+KgPMr+i1tl4 oUnSseGN/SJ9XRAcXwaXbQyXxK71PVN49dL+YjaoVyIURwfkpYUO/6of4mdDmL5y RiH8dzLxPxi5zVvAyyqUu3EKaE+nMIvUL6erSRs8MiSqbKB6rWCHFqVPiZplnsWP CD4l9p9dKlT/Hh/GIfVWE2I4YrvA9ldd9IKNIwDI/jxFBl7WUwiKBc/R57SBn3g= =IKW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=a0O/bzuW4ytu_j9SZ9ZIok-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 19:57:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C951065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:57:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFE518FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19545 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2010 19:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 19:57:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Lbzjz2sfmPYX4jeubhcNpaleE960+vzY+630GJ6Kd0eW6PoIObXflCZDYuBM74IXj14XA9hSaSfK3Jv4smnZCIhUd4hC7oiFDA5kX8dxRUKO/jaqQWikHoHNTuOrZO0W; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFBMg-0004RW-AY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:57:23 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:51:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:51:24 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107195124.GA17565@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:57:25 -0000 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 02:51:52AM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >=20 >=20 > I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that > reside in a package called "bsdutils". I have built and installed > the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things > are going very badly indeed. >=20 > Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? The errors I am > getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my > /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file: I haven't used APT in a while, but I recall the existence of an apt-get-like tool specifically for dealing with source, called apt-src. You should be able to install it on your system and sift through its manpage at your leisure: apt-get install apt-src --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXAzwACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWyvwCgkbc2QB2mmXjrPLBNsxsO9nqH u2AAoLOpO5d52diJjSefXE5s7xAEJrrZ =SIIK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:12:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C64B106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE99D8FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so3176054ywh.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.145.13 with SMTP id s13mr959663ybd.27.1289160774870; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 67sm1507360yhl.8.2010.11.07.12.12.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B8C92E54888 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:12:51 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101107151251.37d2f745@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:12:56 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:32:05 -0800 Rob Farmer articulated: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:15, Ron (Lists) wrote: > > None of these suggestions help.  I have never had to put www/ in > > front of the port name before.  The tab expansion is handled by > > bash-completion as used to be smart enough to know the command I was > > typing and could auto-complete port names, but no longer, which is > > why I suspect that I have a screwed up database. > > Perhaps it is fallout from recent infrastructure changes? > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2010-October/205680.html > > Portupgrade doesn't seem to have an active maintainer, so perhaps try > portmaster. Really! When did "ruby@FreeBSD.org" drop the port? If he is not actively maintaining the port then perhaps he should inform the proper authority. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Anoint, v.: To grease a king or other great functionary already sufficiently slippery. Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:20:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F20106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EEC8FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4286908bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:20:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=Vvnv+43eYUI+tXcQWE3pA6jpxVs9F2ub3wi0lX9S5xc=; b=D4+L4Y6yUXvW025XHduy7C8bmOy/usKmtw/JB44BdJL6SmnydQgbYnKvhzn4pbGOmK vj61ljSU4qQR/k0cIM0dK7Qhs0XB9mZFkVF14/f6r+DaBotBCxu/qn5iQmaMm+BYtBrL Tl19sFWKpvYKYk9ISdu7ZXlgbREYcqfgTX060= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=A7kPnTboe9H7ROu+bIfChKLVhRBycWqp8QAgYY3zMQnU5bKawC0qxWRk2SHDe5zxsT nfJjO4xEa+WMeWsUJdpPUXQPVLyhx2TqiYdGG6PG69c9A7V2azbXxVoqZi7cov7kqxqI Mbak/yNReRwgD16T3fKGKiMvK9C9frft4bJm0= Received: by 10.204.69.196 with SMTP id a4mr4286266bkj.34.1289161208356; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:20:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: abalour@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.140.193 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:19:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> From: Ross Cameron Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:19:48 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d1rgBW80nmUpvsZF_fGQ0U2J0Sw Message-ID: To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:20:10 -0000 Ronald what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish here? The bsdutils are a collection of commands from the 4.4BSD era that are now included in the util-linux package which is available from Kernel.org http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/ "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > > I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that > reside in a package called "bsdutils". I have built and installed > the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things > are going very badly indeed. > > Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? The errors I am > getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my > /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy > # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs > # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib > non-free > > # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted > contrib non-free > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources: > > > % apt-get source bsdutils > Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package > lists... Done > Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building > dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency > tree... Done > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages > (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) > - stat (2 No such file or directory) > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > E: Could not open file > /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources > - open (2 No such file or directory) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:22:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577711065675 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59208FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so4287762bwz.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:22:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=8BjtX6REpuatXp6Zbcx1t98REJmCIKN3JD4dmrvq1es=; b=wG6eFh5+D0T/w9GySOUaRNsjWzLdrCVw0PBmP/ELHKKILOkCWwX2RZaJexAqx44bzY WbW9G24PxZPWe4PSMtkdJiG/bTjpQ4CHys1QynoDsXRJVzL8lbnZlaCG8WwM2qIVv5WF Gsv3iwQObltSHf8ccrCaNBbfQ3Me16rt9YRzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=Fn2Uj9Dx6lqgIwkojwAuswlaw2c9CEE4VMFLzmC0cwlR+zwpfdGqBzLweQHMbIJ4yw UaTOQan0YpxE07oNxKzy7vJAKjtR4xketOHTfPkHzfSbPmUoTlxlaQvZ7AJNJnajNzFA KVTW1qBeNTr2vJE4qx9TzmNna6ciSFyD+JTy0= Received: by 10.204.117.134 with SMTP id r6mr4197736bkq.142.1289161319533; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: abalour@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.140.193 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:21:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> From: Ross Cameron Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:21:39 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dw76l-wTTbe0Y-HfdU8KVZKYwKA Message-ID: To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:22:02 -0000 Oops ... the current release of util-linux being available here http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux-ng/ "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison Inventor of 1093 patents, including: The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Ross Cameron wrote: > Ronald what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish here? > > The bsdutils are a collection of commands from the 4.4BSD era that are now > included in the util-linux package which is available from Kernel.org > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/ > > > > > "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in > overalls and looks like work." > Thomas Alva Edison > Inventor of 1093 patents, including: > The light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette < > rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote: > >> >> >> I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that >> reside in a package called "bsdutils". I have built and installed >> the "apt-get" program and now I'm just trying to use it, and things >> are going very badly indeed. >> >> Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? The errors I am >> getting are shown below, and here are the current contents of my >> /usr/local/etc/apt/sources.list file: >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> # See sources.list(5) for more information, especialy >> # Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs >> # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. >> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted contrib >> non-free >> >> # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work >> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted >> contrib non-free >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Here's what happens when I try to fetch the sources: >> >> >> % apt-get source bsdutils >> Reading package lists... 0%Reading package lists... 100%Reading package >> lists... Done >> Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building >> dependency tree... 0%Building dependency tree... 0%Building dependency >> tree... Done >> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/main Packages >> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) >> - stat (2 No such file or directory) >> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/restricted Packages >> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) >> - stat (2 No such file or directory) >> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/contrib Packages >> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) >> - stat (2 No such file or directory) >> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.commaverick/non-free Packages >> (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) >> - stat (2 No such file or directory) >> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems >> E: Could not open file >> /var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_source_Sources >> - open (2 No such file or directory) >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:30:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6991065741 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4658E8FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwg8 with SMTP id 8so4112351qwg.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.5 with SMTP id ca5mr4396014qcb.150.1289161803376; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.189.137 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.122] In-Reply-To: <20101107151251.37d2f745@scorpio> References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> <20101107151251.37d2f745@scorpio> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:30:04 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:12, Jerry wrote: > Really! When did "ruby@FreeBSD.org" drop the port? If he is not > actively maintaining the port then perhaps he should inform the proper > authority. "He" is a mailing list. ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade/Makefile Revision 1.256 Tue Jul 21 13:12:15 2009 PDT (15 months, 2 weeks ago) by sem Log: - Drop maintainership to ruby@ Beyond this point virtually no development has happened. The sourceforge project hasn't been updated since around that time and there are open PRs over two years old. Unfortuantely, FreeBSD has a lot of these niche mailing lists that virtually nobody reads but have PRs auto-assigned to them, effectively acting as a black hole. freebsd-rc is one of the worst offenders - other than Doug Barton, there don't seem to be any developers involved there and it has a massive buildup of unreviewed patches. So I would say portupgrade is unmaintained and thus encourage people to move to portmaster. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:07:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC3F106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from waynemitchell@directsave.net) Received: from post.directsave.net (directsave.net [80.244.191.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A6B8FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by post.directsave.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PF9B1-0004SP-EV for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:37:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AtMail PHP 5.3 Message-ID: <54832.1289151431@directsave.net> To: X-Origin: 82.152.205.194 X-Atmail-Account: waynemitchell@directsave.net Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:37:11 +0000 From: wayne mitchell X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:33:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: waynemitchell@directsave.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:07:43 -0000 BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }hey i am trying to set up a private network for using freebsd (private as in off-line) i have a windows machine with on-line connection i would like to get a hold of the 8.1 CURRENT 'distfiles' (complete - at least with latest versions only of each port/file) however, when making calculations for downloading the complete distfiles directory via anonymous ftp it works out to be a 50 day operation (a few hours each day) of course there are many earlier version files that may not be required - in some cases in multiples of tens - which adds up=20 is there a source that makes dvd images of the distfile directory that i can get a hold of if so , please give details - happy to pay a few bucks ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 20:57:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170DE1065695 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3EC38FC1F for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31832 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2010 20:57:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 20:57:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=h3M8KYhCktuSP5PB3scPfGNmcnIca1C4E8RKaeY8hCy3D+oH4niGnoI57EiRmNg+1jTUV5P+ijdfLE8+5nyufkzdO1u4oHxWGfe3nLiZkL/ufmOq9axoZISw74L+lwav; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFCIi-00086C-48 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:57:21 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:57:22 -0000 --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 06:58:45PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:41:06 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > I'm not here to bash desktop environments, I seriously want to know you= use them to > > improve productivity. >=20 > Yes, would be interesting to know. Not that I deny it - I just have > no evidence from my experience and observations on how this could > be achieved. I think that, in most cases, the people who use KDE and GNOME are just taking the trade-off opposite to the one I take. I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and productivity enhancements down the road. The increased efficiency of a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as cutting-edge). Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to learn anything new up front. The increased discoverability, at least for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require figuring out the same tasks over and over again). >=20 > > Now I find that any time I reach for the mouse, I'm slowing myself down. >=20 > A TrackPoint (the little joystick-like pointing device located > in the middle of the keyboard) seems to be a good repacement > for a regular mouse, and in any case for fingerslime glidepads. I use a ThinkPad regularly. Sometimes, it's nice to have a separate mouse. Even when using the TrackPoint, though, I'm still much slower than when using a well-designed keyboard driven interface. It takes longer for me to swing my mouse pointer from the side of the screen to a given link on-screen, then left click it, than it does for me to type "f37" in Firefox+Vimperator, "fas" in Chromium+Vimium, or "fl37" in uzbl. Also of interest, Chromium loads the page on the other side of that link in about 75% of the time it takes Firefox to load it, and uzbl loads it in about 33% of the time it takes Chromium to load it. >=20 > > It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows > > or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and > > browser are equipped with usable shortcuts). >=20 > Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more > and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD > provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager) > and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples > of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support. Vimperator and Vimium do much better jobs of combining those capabilities in my experience (for Firefox and Chromium, respectively). While uzbl does not do as good a job of combining those approaches, it does a good enough job at the keyboard-driven stuff that it is a very rare case when using the TrackPoint would make more sense -- and, when it does make more sense, uzbl's mouse-driven interface support works fine. I used to use WindowMaker all the time. I switched to Sawfish when I disocovered that it required less configuration to fit my particular needs, though WindowMaker had been "close enough" that making the requisite configuration changes was not a huge burden. I switched to AHWM when I discovered it, because it required almost zero configuration to make it suit my needs pretty much exactly. I have experimented with a couple of other window managers since adopting AHWM, but nothing has quite served to entice me away. >=20 > > I use a tiling wm (xmonad) to maximize visibility, real estate usage, a= nd > > navigability. No overlapping windows unless I say so. >=20 > Tiling window managers, as I've often seen, seem to be the choice > of the advanced / professional users. Sadly, their magic didn't > open up to me yet. :-) If you're inclined toward minimalism, productivity enhancement, and efficiency, and do not mind editing configuration files by hand, but have not really clicked with tiling window managers, you might want to give AHWM a try. It's in FreeBSD ports. >=20 > Coming back to your initial statement: For users EXPECTING something > to act in a specific way, KDE and Gnome really "boost" their > productivity, as it doesn't force them to question or relearn > things they take for granted. That's a pretty good summary, minus some of the implications, of what I said at the beginning of this email. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXEUoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXq4QCgzVQmfu/+XsPqJJERU+YfvA9E h6gAoNuhq3zcJBd2zklg6ZQuPhAGW2yd =/4d+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 21:02:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8EB10656BA for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 978C58FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6070 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 2010 21:02:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2010 21:02:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=OqKnGAa1AmLoywQ0HJTUkJ8IX5q2hhJRsau42yoPD3gDkxVey7d1lBXQr+7odejxQKYGDxuYH58cqnw8nA4+kAATa11cwKtcgrFgu2HfpxUMz/yXLA8LquNLMhzyuJxb; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFCNj-0005Dt-Rn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:02:32 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:56:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:56:33 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107205633.GF17565@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:02:34 -0000 --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Will Oracle lawyers > > find some patent related to the creation of that software the company > > "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the > > survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely, > > somehow. >=20 > Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or > their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is. > That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators. How long are you planning to use it as-is, without making any changes, if Oracle ceases support for an open source version? >=20 > Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel > implementation that avoided patented areas. 1. That's kind of irrelevant to my point. 2. That is prone to being a lot of work to end up with something suboptimal -- unless you're talking about using something other than Oracle software, in which case you're just agreeing with me at this point. >=20 > An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature > 'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing > 'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any > substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas? This flies in > the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators > should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that > innovation be encouraged. The original intent of granting patents: 1. has not been in evidence in the patent system for a century or so 2. has largely been proven bogus, to anyone willing to consider the evidence >=20 > I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to > pursue such a case through the courts. This is the problem. >=20 > I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP. > Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what > open source projects do best: writing code. Some have. Others have folded under the pressure. That latter case is why people worry about it -- and why they tend to prefer to use stuff that is not in danger of unpleasant lawsuits in the first place. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXEoEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUaUACgvuGXUHP2bmCf4LI4VmIYyyJ5 17sAoKV1mqUnJpQtDgPA2ul0fwJF3L+k =CF8N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 21:05:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368C8106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C688FC12 for ; 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Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:08:39 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:02:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:02:40 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:08:40 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've tried installing the py-gtk port a couple of times now with the same result each time: checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes checking how to ignore standard include path... At this point, it hangs indefinitely. If I kill it with Ctrl-C, I get this output: sed: confdefs.h: No such file or directory =3D=3D=3D> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. It also suggests I use gnomelogalyzer.sh to diagnose the problem, but before I bother I'd like to know if this is a known issue with an easy fix. Anyone? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXE/AACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXSWwCgkrcn8iqD8EEaLb1rd9sPht+d 8y4An0ekxomeZ7NeWaNnMOWfzkAHCrTo =qwq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 21:23:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95423106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rg.lists@rzweb.com) Received: from flabnapple.net (flabnapple.net [216.129.104.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855438FC0A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.flabnapple.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flabnapple.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BA21CC049 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:23:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:23:00 -0800 From: "Ron (Lists)" To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <16e4cce6de71e89a3cf351a59a135fff@flabnapple.net> X-Sender: rg.lists@rzweb.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4 Subject: OK, now perl won't install... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:23:00 -0000 Based on advice to switch to portmaster from portupgrade, I am now having a problem with perl. When I went to upgrade a perl package, it re-installed perl, but fail (and removed perl). I am getting this message: ===> perl-5.8.9_3 : Your apache does not support DSO modules. I have tried to configure and upgrade apache but get this message; /usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk", line 245: warning: "/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q MPM_NAME" returned non-zero status How do I upgrade apache (or is this something else going wrong)? Help! My system is really screwed up without perl running. Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 21:43:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42C9106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rg.lists@rzweb.com) Received: from flabnapple.net (flabnapple.net [216.129.104.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42048FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.flabnapple.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flabnapple.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBEB1CC049 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:43:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:43:38 -0800 From: "Ron (Lists)" To: Message-ID: <13f308dde09e6e2d85524eadb2f02c36@flabnapple.net> X-Sender: rg.lists@rzweb.com User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.4 Subject: /usr/local/sbin/apxs is missing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:43:38 -0000 Still trying to unscrew my perl installation. Perl and Apache both fail to install due to the missing /usr/local/sbin/apxs. I have no idea what failed package removed it, but now I can't install perl. Who installs this file? It appears to be an apache file, but I can't install apache because it's missing. I'm really dead in the water because so much the system requires perl and it was uninstalled by portmaster (for some reason I don't understand) and I can't install it due to the missing file. Ron From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 21:54:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAAE106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9658FC1A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFD35-0001kd-AC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:45:16 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:54:32 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:54:32 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: uzbl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:54:38 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 07 November 2010: >=20 > Also of interest, Chromium loads the page on the other side of that link > in about 75% of the time it takes Firefox to load it, and uzbl loads it > in about 33% of the time it takes Chromium to load it. >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > > It's more efficient to use the keyboard even to switch focused windows > > > or to follow links in a browser (provided that the window manager and > > > browser are equipped with usable shortcuts). > >=20 > > Important point! But in reality you see keyboard support more > > and more left out for the GUI programs - allthough they COULD > > provide good keyboard support. WindowMaker (as a window manager) > > and Opera (as a web browser) are, in my experience, examples > > of how to combine good keyboard support with good mouse support. >=20 > Vimperator and Vimium do much better jobs of combining those capabilities > in my experience (for Firefox and Chromium, respectively). While uzbl > does not do as good a job of combining those approaches, it does a good > enough job at the keyboard-driven stuff that it is a very rare case when > using the TrackPoint would make more sense -- and, when it does make more > sense, uzbl's mouse-driven interface support works fine. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] How do you start uzbl? It installed fine for me, but I keep getting core dumps when I run it. There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tried 'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'. For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1yAVAAoJEIpckszW26+R5TgH/2ku6gqlZmzZE4BfexiQg/9q hZEWm54nngB3PAV+YsOC13vGs5AQl+Mit8FlUXtX1AP2IAt305iKgXqDc63ZKyxa /VoCysvCkh1Q/MvhuoWhZPZtzasDsF/VKoMWcXCcZWm3LAf13vWub3ViuHcYSYl+ Bbmmn2Q/5lqTc+xiUIuJ767gHVZnGK9BhsSB0USmCo4pW60059VMShvvgJfj61hs ptp8+inn1d+wNTSicb2M0TkpzCHXCbpuZ6Asb6/WhN2hqCZ53O3B+3kGg0jqJazc 0GUQ7kHa6qhh/FbDWpDw+xstbcdRFOk+LoZBpYslGNO8cpwz+spn7O6FS9+tebc= =kL5M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 22:07:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4A5106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B5C8FC19 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65BAE721C; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:29 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chad Perrin Message-ID: <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:07:33 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and > productivity enhancements down the road. The increased efficiency of > a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge > win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use > it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware > costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as > cutting-edge). > > Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to > learn anything new up front. The increased discoverability, at least > for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more > "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the > first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time > (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require > figuring out the same tasks over and over again). With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to read the man page every time you want to do something you're not familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a year or so. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 22:18:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BAB106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692048FC08 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A3A82.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.58.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oA7MIbF0066308; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:18:40 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA7MIaq6097289; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:18:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA7MIQeZ036546; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:18:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201011072218.oA7MIQeZ036546@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Ron (Lists)" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:43:38 PST." <13f308dde09e6e2d85524eadb2f02c36@flabnapple.net> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:18:26 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/local/sbin/apxs is missing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:18:44 -0000 Hi, "Ron (Lists)" wrote: > Still trying to unscrew my perl installation. Perl and Apache both > fail to install due to the missing /usr/local/sbin/apxs. I have no > idea what failed package removed it, but now I can't install perl. > > Who installs this file? cd /pri/FreeBSD/releases/current/ports # or eg cd /usr/ports find . -type f -name pkg-plist | xargs grep sbin/apxs + There's useful progs here: cd /usr/sbin ; echo *pkg* pkg_add pkg_create pkg_delete pkg_info pkg_updating pkg_version with man command for those, + exploration in /var/db/pkg you'll be able to analyse & solve it all. PS if you start having problems with libs too, try eg ldconfig -R > It appears to be an apache file, but I can't > install apache because it's missing. > > I'm really dead in the water because so much the system requires perl > and it was uninstalled by portmaster (for some reason I don't > understand) and I can't install it due to the missing file. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not HTML, quoted-printable & base 64 spam formats. Avoid top posting, it cripples itemised cumulative responses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 22:41:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78711065679 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82688FC14 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFDmC-00088E-GA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:31:53 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:41:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:41:09 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:41:15 -0000 --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and > > productivity enhancements down the road. The increased efficiency of > > a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge > > win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use > > it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware > > costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as > > cutting-edge). > >=20 > > Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to > > learn anything new up front. The increased discoverability, at least > > for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more > > "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the > > first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time > > (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require > > figuring out the same tasks over and over again). >=20 > With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to > read the man page every time you want to do something you're not > familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do > it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have > good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of > characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in > Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to > create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line > I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to > achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a > year or so. >=20 > --=20 > Bruce Cran Up to a point, yes. But as options become more complex, either the GUI must also become more complex or you reach the tipping point where the complexity warrants the use of language instead of gestures. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM1ysDAAoJEIpckszW26+RpX0IAMFcTN3HvzlR/qf0ggJj5qmb KuY6xVSLpvRHES2TL1DFV+3tjQlcmp6BuzBKOjm79e8t2OJ2JsFwwh4aiI9tP3aO R8U61xC3x4pluW29UNFupqSfhCAwFn8N5FN4OBM5VMuNDkT2xg/gtgC6pHKkyaTo Ydg6dawjco1iegFMZMEPjNSrkJgKrSYa4dislMreFbvOv0TCzsVE8OFlgPXxLXOE nxJWwzeGyVBxSBtzN/8jmSYRW1ldkkRCNFm8fS18Ewwg1r9cdVYy4KhAwHbvmxm7 fa9X7oPoDNLqvUuhN1X58gNKz8KPHnxb4xLX0LmWeaSi073vJ0xWqMHs5jtQLD4= =x2HK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 22:45:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272E61065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA538FC1C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2613257ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.29.68 with SMTP id p4mr3345478ebc.31.1289169928314; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:45:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101107205633.GF17565@guilt.hydra> References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20101107205633.GF17565@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:45:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:45:30 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 05:17:19PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 06/11/2010 16:10, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > Will Oracle lawyers > > > find some patent related to the creation of that software the company > > > "owns" and use that to sue you if you fork the project to ensure the > > > survival of your own development projects? It seems somewhat likely, > > > somehow. > > > > Oracle couldn't sue for patent violations on software that they (or > > their predecessors) had released and that people were using as-is. > > That's legitimate use under license from the software's originators. > > How long are you planning to use it as-is, without making any changes, if > Oracle ceases support for an open source version? > > > > > > Nor could they sue successfully over some completely novel > > implementation that avoided patented areas. > > 1. That's kind of irrelevant to my point. > > 2. That is prone to being a lot of work to end up with something > suboptimal -- unless you're talking about using something other than > Oracle software, in which case you're just agreeing with me at this > point. > > > > > > An interesting question is: could they sue over use of patented feature > > 'foo' in a forked copy of the software, where the code implementing > > 'foo' was still identical to the original version and where any > > substantial novel work was on other, unpatented, areas? This flies in > > the face of the original intent of granting patents; that innovators > > should be able to claim the benefits of their own work in order that > > innovation be encouraged. > > The original intent of granting patents: > > 1. has not been in evidence in the patent system for a century or so > > 2. has largely been proven bogus, to anyone willing to consider the > evidence > > > > > > I doubt that any free software project would have sufficient funds to > > pursue such a case through the courts. > > This is the problem. > > > > > > I take comfort from the example of OpenBSD and CARP vs. Cisco and HSRP. > > Open source projects have been here before, and survived by doing what > > open source projects do best: writing code. > > Some have. Others have folded under the pressure. That latter case is > why people worry about it -- and why they tend to prefer to use stuff > that is not in danger of unpleasant lawsuits in the first place. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > There are documented cases where the big bad business reared it's ugly head (AOL/Time Warner) and unleashed it's guard dogs (lawyers)on the masses. Such case is GAIM (original intent was Gnome Aim I believe, a jab at AIM and a functional name for a port/fork). But when T.W. acquired AOL and GAIM all of the sudden was on there radar and the GAIM project faced a similar lawsuite, because of the name being to close to a closed-source equivalent. GAIM's solution as I am sure everyone is aware was to change there name frrom GAIM to Pidgin. This occurred w/ the 2.0 version of GAIM, which was subsequently renamed to Pidgin. In Pidgin's case tho, they contained no proprietary software as AOL/T.W wasn't concerned about the 'oscar' protocol. As long as people used the protocol, they didn't care how you got on. So basically if comes down to something like this. If OOo.3.2.1 stops there, what is already released remains unchanged, too many people have or can easily get a copy of the source as is. It is not in Oracles best interests to search for and destroy every person in the would who has a copy of it *BEFORE* it went Closed-Source. The danger comes in the name ... hence DocumentFoundation.Org. It is DF's hopes that Oracle will get wise and gift the name to the foundation and we can continue to have a function project w/ a wise name. Everyone knows what OpenOffice is, including my college professors, hell even my Girlfriend knows what it is and she isn't all that into computers .... LibreOffice (Libre is Latin for free) is a functional name as is (personally I don't like the name, but I hated StarOffice's name too!) and has potential. But DF faces an uphill battle in re-educating the world that LibreOffice is OpenOffice under a new name. So the legal end isn't all that hard to figure out. the OOo.3 devs have taken care of that setting up DF. It's just a matter of figuring out the logistics of the name. The same would apply to any other product that Oracle has acquired and is in danger of getting it's head chopped off for the benefit of it's owners pocket. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:06:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAF8106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7EE8FC13 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj16 with SMTP id 16so3177570gwj.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.140.15 with SMTP id n15mr7369240ybd.366.1289171162257; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p1sm3108517ybn.5.2010.11.07.15.06.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEFB3E54856 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:05:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:05:59 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101107180559.50df973f@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <4CD4DD2C.1090407@too1337.com> <20101106161031.GB12418@guilt.hydra> <4CD6DF1F.9040604@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20101107205633.GF17565@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:06:04 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:45:07 -0500 Chris Brennan articulated: > LibreOffice (Libre is Latin for free) is a functional > name as is (personally I don't like the name, but I hated > StarOffice's name too!) and has potential. But DF faces an uphill > battle in re-educating the world that LibreOffice is OpenOffice under > a new name. I tend to disagree with your assessment there. OO has never really progressed passed being a poor copy of MS Office 97. Tieing the new nomenclature to the old product might prove counter productive. I know several users who would avoid it just on that basis alone. A new name with the appropriate PR might prove to be a boon for the product. I do agree that the new name is lacking though. Obviously, no real thought went into choosing a new product name. Unfortunate indeed. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ If a can of Alpo costs 38 cents, would it cost $2.50 in Dog Dollars? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:09:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC03106564A for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2EE8FC16 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B88BDC34; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:09:45 -0800 (PST) To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20101107140353.00005ef0@unknown> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:09:45 -0800 Message-ID: <31957.1289171385@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:09:47 -0000 In message <20101107140353.00005ef0@unknown>, you wrote: >On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:52:00 -0500 >Chris Brennan wrote: > >> I am going to take a stab in the dark here and suggest that some sort >> of db needs to be built for apt ... clues in the part /var/db...... >> (man apt-get?) > >"apt-get update" Well, um, not having anything really to lose, I su'd to root and tried the above command. The resulting output does not look encouraging: % apt-get update Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release.gpg [198B] Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release [39.8kB] Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/restricted Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/contrib Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main Sources [1036kB] Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/restricted Sources [4217B] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/contrib Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/non-free Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Fetched 1080kB in 7s (151kB/s) Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-freebsd-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/restricted/binary-freebsd-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/contrib/binary-freebsd-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/non-free/binary-freebsd-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/contrib/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.169 80] Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/main Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/restricted Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_restricted_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/contrib Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_contrib_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com maverick/non-free Packages (/var/db/apt/state/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_non-free_binary-freebsd-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:11:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C396106566B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6158FC0C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so2860618wyb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:11:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aOghtA6X4VyTdaurIls+SlQrm3v1vB9boTg2Kc4venc=; b=bfXBudWCH2mId1eKBa508YpLMOlYdVf322f34Tgrv+kyTJYb2fCMNym7ANQ933cc3F WVf3f6am6wQ7kkEs/vpbhsFxp11rwEMaeEu5VVZ6odEch4xhJyzpTWJZPz1RaYAdc6oU PUlh+qVKimE0rWH4y7v4VszZYpcfjjbTFzsaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UOq6G8JRMssqOM09FyYPryu3Au1mVrWDVOWcVD5h2yluM4TmvoT49hvlG2+LQ4OZGD vbbCN7G2wofOPoneE04YAezSaxSeVTh/rp7fxbjpPO19y5c+BQG4ippcKCU4BHvh/QH2 AJKValFmAAJGTnkcn0PAR5OPv1cfCVUO66jAU= Received: by 10.216.153.147 with SMTP id f19mr3631629wek.40.1289171479831; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w41sm2682128weq.32.2010.11.07.15.11.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:11:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:11:02 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101107231102.75b7ee32@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD as a xen host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:11:22 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:28:06 -0600 Adam Vande More wrote: > You may wish to read that page again. Dom0 support doesn't exist in > FreeBSD, and paravirt domU is sketchy at best. The page says: "The port will only run as a guest (ie. domU) right now, on i386/PAE platforms." which is open to misinterpretation. Perhaps someone with an account could change it to something clearer such as: "The port will only run as a guest (ie. domU) right now, and only on i386/PAE platforms." From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:23:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8AD1065670 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB98FC1B for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BD5BD5FD0; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CD45A11.7060002@stillbilde.net> <20101105213433.GC8648@guilt.hydra> <20101106203634.GD13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225708.GD67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <86lj55g73s.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20101107174724.GC77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.15.5; tzolkin = 9 Chicchan; haab = 18 Zac Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:23:16 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20101107174724.GC77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> (Chip Camden's message of "Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:47:24 -0800") Message-ID: <868w14g1ln.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:23:17 -0000 >>>>> "Chip" == Chip Camden writes: Chip> I hope it's more than wishful thinking on their part. I would trust Chip> Oracle to keep "hands off" for precisely as long as they do not perceive Chip> any reason to put "hands on". Understood... clearly, the suits can do whatever they want whenever they want as long as it's in the shareholders interest, but the VirtualBox guys are getting assurance from on high that they'll be left mostly alone. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:31:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7DC106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:31:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from repcsike@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436708FC15 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so5364774iwn.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SDoneAWIbYGgD2drFsit1iZUd+om3oCnpYuY93nr5jQ=; b=pgCsSL5lWkzrJ7XGF5he93ZCPn1dMtjaYsKI/7tsi70FpHk5IkXhv4sEPr3Ko6MrBZ 4o/geSzopNSk8TmYaqVlZHFtLVyP8KIs0o7XCIDyLYQ2NOytDRdD0D1NwPTM02xHe3Kd /+eYJkb0OkuqcFewWuJ2O8tPdFBTdsGvg4Dnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=b+33IqWOIa7BqDj+S6b+R5DG3yi6YvslnoaX70qGK4bmGrXGNOYwMBWP5kxlec7J7e gM068yizS3p2p5ejLJFhOYKwKysIe6ZQdpUm8y9DubrHnJb3wVHsXVzW+dXhNMjLqobX aInT5yFxTolfXQW7JtNmanNdIGN6ciXL/GLto= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.12.129 with SMTP id y1mr2855851icy.185.1289170896520; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.146.69 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:01:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?B?QmFs4XpzIE3hdOlmZnk=?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Certification X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:31:04 -0000 Hi, You can find all the information here: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ Regards, MB. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 7 23:40:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0708106566C for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21E48FC18 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AC7BDC34 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20101107155831.67847.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 15:40:34 -0800 Message-ID: <32529.1289173234@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Anybody know apt-get ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:40:34 -0000 In message <20101107155831.67847.qmail@joyce.lan>, John Levine wrote: >In article <24360.1289127112@tristatelogic.com> you write: >>I need to get sources for the Linux version of certain programs that >>reside in a package called "bsdutils". > >So get them, already. No need to screw around with Linux binary >installers, particularly not on the FreeBSD list: > >http://packages.debian.org/lenny/bsdutils Thank you John, I was not aware of this resource. I now have what I need. Regards, rfg P.S. I am guessing that you are aware that I still get "Logic Error" whenever I send mail to iecc.com (and I have been unable to reply to Neil on account of that). But on the off chance that this was unintentional, I mention it again, in case you might be inclined to rectify. (I also guess that I am no longer on the spamtools list, correct?) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 00:13:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708D41065698 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:13:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501C78FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oA80CsvG013705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oA80Cs3b013703; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA25179; Sun, 7 Nov 10 16:02:05 PST Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:02:01 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: waynemitchell@directsave.net Message-Id: <4cd73df9.ADI1se4Q+PGcvFTP%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <54832.1289151431@directsave.net> In-Reply-To: <54832.1289151431@directsave.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:13:06 -0000 wayne mitchell wrote: > i would like to get a hold of the 8.1 CURRENT 'distfiles' ... > is there a source that makes dvd images of the distfile directory http://on-disk.com/cms/index.php?wiki=CustomDisc From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:10:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5121065675 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87A28FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFG6d-0002y4-47 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:01:08 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:10:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:10:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:10:30 -0000 --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > I've tried installing the py-gtk port a couple of times now with the same > result each time: >=20 > checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes > checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes > checking how to ignore standard include path... >=20 > At this point, it hangs indefinitely. If I kill it with Ctrl-C, I get > this output: >=20 > sed: confdefs.h: No such file or directory > =3D=3D=3D> Script "configure" failed unexpectedly. >=20 > It also suggests I use gnomelogalyzer.sh to diagnose the problem, but > before I bother I'd like to know if this is a known issue with an easy > fix. Anyone? >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any apparent processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I can figure out. It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk apparently depends. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM103+AAoJEIpckszW26+Ro5AH/1p7/ULDhhtYXARHpVYiBW5A aOuxK66+obkfyikWUZWgsx3yiQwjm3O6KHm5WPuxFxXEPlMzWfH9qAPZ8/8p4DZc 05bIE2Wez4DuQkO6salVJCw8Mq2NscLG44WBCjJ88mEAKib1PjNMYLk7UVOmHDQe FMjSTwKTAvSQgUYkRahlXB6Bk1jiWmImr/DRW1jbwBAqVWquzAhHsXk2JyHAZE9S QVgQ60h+NrFfIJHGAji+PulVHvc4y5aS8MfUzNq75LvtF9zLdtfdO9N+I4iuT9hG +YYPyqTaM3JdNM2AWNyMhhOxPKa7vzaEh1UXpGt42c0ZuBFOWUHYEX/f6O52RJQ= =eiJD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q9KOos5vDmpwPx9o-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:14:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB654106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476228FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2554402eyb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.199 with SMTP id i7mr767789ebi.44.1289178873005; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:14:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:14:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:14:34 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any apparent > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I > can figure out. > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk > apparently depends. > > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla Moved: Date: 2009-11-30 Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002 Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:26:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E272D1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66098FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFGMK-000575-2B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:17:21 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:26:37 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:26:37 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5oH/S/bF6lOfqCQb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:26:43 -0000 --5oH/S/bF6lOfqCQb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden = wrote: >=20 > > > > > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any apparent > > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what else I > > can figure out. > > > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk > > apparently depends. > > > > > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... >=20 > Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla > Moved: > Date: 2009-11-30 > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002 >=20 ??? I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others. Are you doing a directory listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information some other way? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --5oH/S/bF6lOfqCQb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM11HMAAoJEIpckszW26+RjHsH/Awf0GgC4j7KYImM8OhIeTUX xRmPwof0ZMl682rvdOhNzHNE6zFLyQ7Mk81vN1NM0GKGp4XTc7DMyzTjIBYfuZBT a37NKxPRVpztMY7vR8sMYxDeegjINNdR6slOe0Zyq1U4Z+xJlIz1qmsJV0jn4Y2C 9c7Nm+q+NUtHyBkLmRzQ8HP9Q6JvANtuPB64GtnPl/SddHDG/fs+8h6LAqD+2M7c U0QlppiUmjY1TYiIyn4k8ZzX29O+mhpFtYbCdYnfD1Uft6LUQGH5QstciF/IsOpy //CKfPzLC3DcgxGSskEDCxidQAQ1HFbt5gd/j+M2rP1IlKjIrUaUE2ELke/M/Qk= =oUcf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5oH/S/bF6lOfqCQb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:38:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE171065672 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4657A8FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2558674eyb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.6.201 with SMTP id a9mr3452882eba.18.1289180318873; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:38:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:38:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:38:40 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any apparent > > > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what else > I > > > can figure out. > > > > > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which py-gtk > > > apparently depends. > > > > > > > > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... > > > > Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla > > Moved: > > Date: 2009-11-30 > > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002 > > > > ??? > > I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others. Are you doing a directory > listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information > some other way? > > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... are you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update' incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on this .... if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and report it to the port maintainer. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:40:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42D71065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ED38FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2641102ewy.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.108.196 with SMTP id g4mr3452467ebp.31.1289180415326; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:40:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:40:18 -0000 Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > >> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden < >> sterling@camdensoftware.com>wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any apparent >> > > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what else >> I >> > > can figure out. >> > > >> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which >> py-gtk >> > > apparently depends. >> > > >> > > >> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... >> > >> > Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla >> > Moved: >> > Date: 2009-11-30 >> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 2002 >> > >> >> ??? >> >> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others. Are you doing a directory >> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this information >> some other way? >> >> > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... are > you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update' > > incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2 > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# > > for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on this > .... if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something > upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and report it > to the port maintainer. > > > Did you know... > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > > Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop (running a gui env)) [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make ===> py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s): py26-gobject-2.21.1 py26-gtk-2.17.0_4 They install files into the same place. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk. [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:49:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B3F106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C997D8FC1A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFGim-0007tB-5r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:40:33 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:49:49 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:49:49 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101108014949.GF2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dgjlcl3Tl+kb3YDk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:49:55 -0000 --dgjlcl3Tl+kb3YDk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > Did you know... >=20 > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 >=20 > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan wrot= e: >=20 > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > > > >> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden < > >> sterling@camdensoftware.com>wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any appa= rent > >> > > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what = else > >> I > >> > > can figure out. > >> > > > >> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which > >> py-gtk > >> > > apparently depends. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... > >> > > >> > Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla > >> > Moved: > >> > Date: 2009-11-30 > >> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in 20= 02 > >> > > >> > >> ??? > >> > >> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others. Are you doing a directory > >> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this informat= ion > >> some other way? > >> > >> > > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=3Dpy-gtk" and it returned one result .= .. are > > you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update' > > > > incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results > > > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2 > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# > > > > for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on = this > > .... if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something > > upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and repor= t it > > to the port maintainer. > > > > > > Did you know... > > > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > > > > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > > > > > > Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop > (running a gui env)) >=20 > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make >=20 > =3D=3D=3D> py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s): > py26-gobject-2.21.1 > py26-gtk-2.17.0_4 >=20 > They install files into the same place. > Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk. > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# >=20 > Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2? > _______________________________________________ No, I did not. Nor did I get this error. I can reproduce the problem just by trying to build devel/ORBit --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --dgjlcl3Tl+kb3YDk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM11c8AAoJEIpckszW26+ReyEIAKkApZ9jf/1i0eo0pdtfPn5V 1CqL52B5KQ41XAgOScQa2DLHkjTy+LGv2NuD7E+/9aDWdqncukkRmJCFdV86YRG4 RXmpQezVwa/22VsK7a+us0dF1TiT8I1219ExZSk6AghASSjfLRdvV6SOyqebX6tO kYP6sQrQ1f4wHCoLIhazG+eC4g5ikIPJRGFBlqEmzUKyj05G+9pY3Zq8YHjnRy1L EgfJZj/57PCk0gnAYdV023UD3vGvmgsdMUjAdbdQJutFHvuFEFOPzWgaM3zS075M 25k44uiSyl/FlfAR8yYqMc0wpnieOmxVnCmSU5Rsba5JXJsRDYoZ2aIkAiargTY= =+e3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dgjlcl3Tl+kb3YDk-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 01:57:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921C61065675 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195058FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 01:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2562285eyb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.147 with SMTP id t19mr692225ebo.5.1289181453898; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:57:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:57:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101108014949.GF2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108014949.GF2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:57:35 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > > Did you know... > > > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chris Brennan > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Chip Camden < > sterling@camdensoftware.com>wrote: > > > > > >> Quoth Chris Brennan on Sunday, 07 November 2010: > > >> > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Chip Camden < > > >> sterling@camdensoftware.com>wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > I just tried it, and mine is hung there now. Not drawing any > apparent > > >> > > processor or disk load. I'll leave it sitting there and see what > else > > >> I > > >> > > can figure out. > > >> > > > > >> > > It's actually in the configure phase of the ORBit port, on which > > >> py-gtk > > >> > > apparently depends. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I just looked at my ports and I only see this.... > > >> > > > >> > Port: x11-toolkits/py-gtkscintilla > > >> > Moved: > > >> > Date: 2009-11-30 > > >> > Reason: Has expired: no longer under development, last release in > 2002 > > >> > > > >> > > >> ??? > > >> > > >> I have x11-toolkits/py-gtk, among others. Are you doing a directory > > >> listing of /usr/ports/x11-toolkits, or are you obtaining this > information > > >> some other way? > > >> > > >> > > > "cd /usr/ports; make search name=py-gtk" and it returned one result ... > are > > > you using an up to date snapshot? try 'portsnap fetch extract update' > > > > > > incidentally if I grep the dir for py-gtk I get the following results > > > > > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# lsl x11-toolkits/ | grep py-gtk > > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk > > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtk2 > > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkextra > > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtkglext > > > 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Oct 30 15:07 py-gtksourceview > > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports]# > > > > > > for shiggles, I shall try and build it manually and see where I get on > this > > > .... if more then one of us do encounter the same stop then something > > > upstream must be broke and we should try and track down where and > report it > > > to the port maintainer. > > > > > > > > > Did you know... > > > > > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > > > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > > > > > > > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org < > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions> > > > > > > > > > > > Make revealed the following for me (on my fbsd64-8.1 install on my laptop > > (running a gui env)) > > > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# make > > > > ===> py26-gtk-0.6.11_10 conflicts with installed package(s): > > py26-gobject-2.21.1 > > py26-gtk-2.17.0_4 > > > > They install files into the same place. > > Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk. > > [root@BlackDragon [/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-gtk]# > > > > Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2? > > _______________________________________________ > > No, I did not. Nor did I get this error. I can reproduce the problem > just by trying to build devel/ORBit > > -- > I have been sucked into my mmo for the evening :D I shall embark on a sample build of ORBit tomorrow between classes and see where I get. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 03:27:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BDF1065672 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE6D8FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thought.org (ethic.thought.org [10.47.0.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA83RGLs055133 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:27:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: by thought.org (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 kline@thought.org; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:27:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:27:16 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20101108032713.GA54226@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: Subject: DNS/pings/IPs/ OR pfSense: kwik one.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:27:22 -0000 After several tries, it looks like my MX (ethic) cannot have the same IP as ns1. I found two pingable IP's (of 5); only two are pingable. 209.180.213.209 and 209.180.213.214. Anybody know enough about pfSense to assist in getting the other three IP's to respond? gary (yes, of coarse I've googled and checked the pfSense list/forum. Zero.) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 04:46:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AF81065672 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627078FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA84kSBZ074688; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA84kSSX074685; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:46:28 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ron (Lists)" In-Reply-To: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> Message-ID: References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:46:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:46:29 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Ron (Lists) wrote: > I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do anything. I > type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I get back is a > command prompt. No error or any other message. portversion seems to work > correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. Is apache outdated? portupgrade won't update a port that's already at the current version unless you force it with -f. > Running portupgrade with -F doesn't help at all. Well, no. -F means to only download distfiles. > I've also noticed that tab-expansion isn't working like it used to on > the port names, so that makes me wonder if the database is screwed up. Filename completion is a function of the shell. I try it accidentally from time to time with port names because it just would make sense to work, but it has never worked because they don't exist as files. 'portupgrade -r gcc' followed by Tab doesn't complete because there isn't a file named gcc-4.4.6.20101026 in the path (although they are in /var/db/pkg). Fortunately, name completion is not needed because portupgrade uses the pkg_name as a glob anyway. My portupgrade article: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html If that doesn't do it, please show what portversion -vl'<' shows for apache. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 04:48:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699B11065673 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1035E8FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA84m82m074698; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA84m8OH074695; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:48:08 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:48:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: "Ron \(Lists\)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:48:11 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:21:22 -0800, "Ron (Lists)" wrote: >> I'm trying to upgrade my ports and I can't get portupgrade to do >> anything. I type 'sudo portupgrade apache' (or any package) and all I >> get back is a command prompt. No error or any other message. >> portversion seems to work correctly, showing my out of date ports, etc. > > You need to be in /usr/ports and then issue the port name together > with the category; in your case: > > % cd /usr/ports > % sudo portupgrade www/apache For shell filename completion to work, that is. portupgrade doesn't care about the current directory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 04:52:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFBD106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:52:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107968FC19 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA84pxC1074720; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA84pxbW074717; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:51:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:51:59 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ron (Lists)" In-Reply-To: <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> Message-ID: References: <0e83f79bc4b86b72841763338a63e94e@flabnapple.net> <20101107190823.14e8c517.freebsd@edvax.de> <18ca79b6ed80156a7f03123109e57adf@flabnapple.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:51:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portupgrade fails to run or do anything X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:52:02 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Ron (Lists) wrote: > None of these suggestions help. I have never had to put www/ in front > of the port name before. It's not needed. > The tab expansion is handled by bash-completion as used to be smart > enough to know the command I was typing and could auto-complete port > names, but no longer, which is why I suspect that I have a screwed up > database. No, more likely your path changed and left out /var/db/pkg. This is not needed anyway, since the pkg_name is a glob: portupgrade -r apache will upgrade all ports starting with "apache". The -r is something I suggest using regularly with portupgrade. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 04:56:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68A9106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6158FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA84urIv074744; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:56:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA84urba074741; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:56:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:56:53 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:56:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: Fred , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:56:59 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 12:21:59 -0700, Fred wrote: >> Hello, >> >> According to man portmaster the -a option will "Update all ports that >> need updating". Does this apply to only installed ports or to >> everything in /usr/ports? > > It applies to installed ports. A commonly used command to > upgrade them is "portupgrad -af". Whoa--hold on there! portmaster -a portupgrade -a Both say "upgrade all installed ports that need upgrading". Both can fail, but many people use them routinely. portupgrade -af means to force an upgrade of every installed port, even if it's already at the latest version. Don't do this lightly! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 05:11:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DFC106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B523B8FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA85BpGV074797 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA85BoCc074794 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:11:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 05:11:52 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: > When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in conjunction > with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as through as the > "-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish its goal. Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR? I hope so, or I have a correction to make... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 06:07:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB841065695 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F6C68FC15 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8045 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2010 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2010 06:07:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=K9po5D7mztZjHAF1mzpwv28MljWh2mf/JAZa5AXIRSc+YlO6g58rh2dC4HDgMwpdGw3iJYBwZ2h+S/wyZgbV+TbYoEN0nfEi6QV0W+CfD6RvoHlfX1EnWZHmB1z/Uf3V; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFKtC-0008CT-Ei for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:07:35 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:01:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:01:35 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20101108060135.GA18990@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20101107210240.GA17796@guilt.hydra> <20101108011024.GD2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108012637.GE2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: py-gtk install hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:07:37 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 08:39:55PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: >=20 > Did you try and build x11-toolkits/py-gtk2? That works fine for me -- including providing for the reason I needed py-gtk in the first place. I'm still a little curious about what's going on with that build hang, even if it's not really important for my current needs, though. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXkj8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWspACgkGYQ9DPXjypI53XEn8XrnOnJ itEAoI/ltFgcoycnCVL8OW1z2QfBDTnE =4OnV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 06:23:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7704B106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4056A8FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27304 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2010 06:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2010 06:23:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=oDOKSY6or7QvL4myVJ1iFQ1EcrjaC/6ZfB/5U0e8G0EmOnFdoFjaw6QWahdVFencjskATed5g5rRuZXiYixYpk+r0MvTBb3sRTOKzXP738/Rk+28Wx3MQhIkEe/6hOL+; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFL8U-00058D-KS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:23:23 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kfjH4zxOES6UT95V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:23:24 -0000 --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 10:07:29PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 13:51:22 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > I choose a little up-front learning curve for massive efficiency and > > productivity enhancements down the road. The increased efficiency of > > a minimal, composable toolset driven by the keyboard can be a huge > > win in long-term productivity for one motivated to learn how to use > > it, as well as a major savings on system resources (and hardware > > costs, since upgrades do not need to happen as often, nor be as > > cutting-edge). > >=20 > > Others choose some inefficiency in the long run to avoid having to > > learn anything new up front. The increased discoverability, at least > > for simple tasks, of a point-and-click interface tends to seem more > > "intuitive" and familiar to people just coming to a new system for the > > first time, makes task completion easier to figure out the first time > > (and the thirtieth, since point-and-click interfaces tend to require > > figuring out the same tasks over and over again). >=20 > With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to > read the man page every time you want to do something you're not > familiar with. Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do > it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have > good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of > characters. A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in > Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to > create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line > I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to > achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a > year or so. So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time, because I have to mouse around a lot. Hmm. I wonder which I should choose. Seriously, though, it's not like I never use GUI tools. I occasionally use the mouse when dealing with stuff in the browser, for instance. I select and middle click to paste quite a lot. I'm not opposed to use of the GUI per se; I just use TUIs much more often, because I use them for tasks that I perform an awful lot if they happen to benefit (in terms of efficiency and productivity) by the use of a TUI. When they don't, I use a GUI instead. I wouldn't be willing to waste the time on little inefficiencies every single time I did *anything* with Subversion just for the dubious benefit of a one-time efficiency benefit once a year because I didn't remember off the top of my head how to branch, though. I use Mercurial a *lot*, and I do not see much benefit to using a GUI for it just on the off-chance I might need to do something I don't do very often when the GUI only gets in the way for the stuff I do several times a day, every day. I suppose your mileage may vary, though. I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks are concerned. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzXlfMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW0tQCgm+pgQEWllsm/rRFqFWUp/bxp 1HsAoMyreVJNIjA8XybCSqHVDb85gKBd =Ro16 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kfjH4zxOES6UT95V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 06:33:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA80106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from y.emailalerts@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B898FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so3082350wyb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:33:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vfSwHc5+iXLHT8BFtSQV6uLB83U4cyAP13NtxouGQcE=; b=XfOby2oVx1SZ6Vn4u1e2rbdxnFIdvqbLZ/l418UffOXyCX5Zd4Ri6nNBIVTbycSDvA 5ntXx+x+jLBsN9aLNZ9UgAmnDw2roSYBiZmcUOXSMyVxaiSmzi1iQUuVB0XrLOeIfp4j uIzr+bPw0uYNKYgCRH70W8PBeffQ/XnxjGgMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=fNxyHRIzflnowjMykEYukIvSvN8A2uj2sNWKel/1cMlvAvS+slJ+w9JECs2Rsqiv5Y 8SUxMNP6oGvJR7elj0T0uvI11g0oer2m3CDE4q3QRDOTsySavOvCmRAJPBO+Fo8n4A/h ii9vY8/5rYOcmJQJG9Sd/dCvQxeVJP6e8SOB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.19.134 with SMTP id n6mr6574747wen.9.1289196620174; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.21.15 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:10:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:40:20 +0530 Message-ID: From: yoganjaneyulu kasetti To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "y.emailalerts" Subject: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0000 hi, I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one can guide me for the same. I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different *input folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for the same. /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input thank you. regards, sweety. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 06:40:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45341106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB09D8FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4009107fxm.13 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SWcoh2pLXYCxRVF9R0KHdS1S4OCmvam+KgLWmp7Mllw=; b=Ms8fhEkYXDkFPHqy4c5wcsZszJXsu0AotxH1FlF9H/B5fg8ahmTeWUp+cqZw6Z6YEA EIxux8IoQ2etquVWhHdfyRhhd/ArrM/az+JQLb5YYN+qXYPATSjy5sOBMsAhb7keN/cQ pMzMHUmeJ2JuD4vmLGXEVq+i2yP5KOKSxyueU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=hnYjv46k6Lhhpys/XSZqdfNVlZJ9KOaYawFLfIDTtYPoT4PS1c9HWrWlas0kEb8WRp SV+xlaQD90SuHvWSye/Iy+ziisVbtUjeoX886dn14+j/PwhOWqSLmqb49NjfOluSdS2q CR+BbXhstcufLMOALHUKcsRwZoF5QL4FdALn0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.83.196 with SMTP id g4mr3443701fal.63.1289198432661; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:40:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:40:32 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: yoganjaneyulu kasetti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:40:34 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:10 AM, yoganjaneyulu kasetti < y.emailalerts@gmail.com> wrote: > I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the > extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different > *input > folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i > go > to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command > line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at > a > time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for > the same. > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input > man find search for -delete -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 07:20:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D01065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) Received: from hercules.mthelicon.com (hercules.mthelicon.com [IPv6:2001:49f0:2023::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321E58FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from feathers.peganest.com (feathers.peganest.com [78.33.110.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by hercules.mthelicon.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA87KU7T000781 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:30 GMT (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) From: Pegasus Mc Cleaft Organization: Feathers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:29 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/9.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.5.3; amd64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011080720.29876.ken@mthelicon.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=15.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on hercules.mthelicon.com Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 07:20:46 -0000 On Monday 08 November 2010 06:10:20 yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: > hi, > > I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one can > guide me for the same. > > I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the > extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different > *input folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having > files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file > with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files > extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So please > some one help me for the same. > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input > Could you, in your script do something like: cd /Path_to_Data_Root find . -name "*.chk" -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} \; Peg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 07:20:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6C81065694 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADD28FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 07:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gate.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.123] helo=bb.ipt.ru) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1PFM29-000A09-Gk; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:20:53 +0300 From: Boris Samorodov To: David DEMELIER References: Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:20:52 +0300 In-Reply-To: (David DEMELIER's message of "Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:52:55 +0200") Message-ID: <15762619@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: No GPT on an usb key X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 07:20:55 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:52:55 +0200 David DEMELIER wrote: > I'm trying to put on my USB mass storage device a GPT scheme > partitions. But gpart still add them as slices : > To be sure to remove the MBR before I dd'ed it > $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da0 bs=512 count=1 > 1+0 records in > 1+0 records out > 512 bytes transferred in 0.003369 secs (151970 bytes/sec) > $ sudo gpart create -s GPT da0 > da0 created > $ gpart show da0 > => 34 15771653 da0 GPT (7.5G) > 34 15771653 - free - (7.5G) > $ sudo gpart add -b 34 -t freebsd da0 > da0s1 added > Why it is still s1? In my kernel config I have this : GPART(8) may be a good start here. Ex.: ----- ... PARTITION TYPES The gpart utility uses symbolic names for common partition types to avoid that the user needs to know what the partitioning scheme in question is and what the actual number or identification needs to be used for a par- ticular type. The gpart utility also allows the user to specify scheme- specific partition types for partition types that do not have symbol names. The symbolic names currently understood are: ... freebsd A FreeBSD partition that uses the BSD disklabel to sub- divide the partition into file systems. This is a legacy partition type and should not be used for the APM or GPT schemes. The scheme-specific types are "!165" for MBR, "!FreeBSD" for APM, and "!516e7cb4-6ecf-11d6-8ff8-00022d09712b" for GPT. ... ----- > device crypto > options GEOM_ELI > options GEOM_PART_GPT > options GEOM_LABEL > options GEOM_VOL > Do I need something that I forgot? Seems you forgot to read the manual page carefully. ;-) -- HTH & WBR, bsam From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 08:18:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FC0106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from b.mail.ru.ac.za (b.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4783E8FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:18:13 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=mB2UMtEO4cxfxgDxVTgK6DKLZMfJTgyGnJ11v1053+H2exUDER6bBel9Vqt4v8imCRnND5/py96VmiqPiVjARXBKDtMQpOrt7GEi9jNWCdV+qsWLvAy2884VuKCVfEzd; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:57424) by b.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PFMvZ-000Agw-Tk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:18:09 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:18:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201011052051.oA5Kp145022389@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201011052051.oA5Kp145022389@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: b.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:2) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:18:14 -0000 On Friday 05 November 2010 22:51:01 Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 02:26:31 2010 > > From: Jonathan McKeown > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:27:38 +0200 > > Subject: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) > > > > When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that > > zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to > > indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains > > responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and > > only those nameservers. (That's glue.) > > > > There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts > > in the .au zone. > > sure there is. > > Domain: foo.com (an aussie company) > nameservers ns1.alicesprings.au, ns2.umelbourneatperth.au I think we're agreeing violently ;) The nameservers for the .com zone, when asked about foo.com, should reply with the hostnames of the two nameservers. It shouldn't reply with their IP addresses; the only nameservers that can do that are the ones serving the .au zone or the alicesprings.au and umelbourneatperth.au zones. > They're still wrong to bw whinging about a lack o glue records. > glue is needed _only_ when the nameserver is _in_ the domain it is the > authoritative servr for. > > So, in the above frivolous example, foo.com does *NOT* need any glue > records, but if ns1.alicesprings.au is an authoritative server for > alicesprings.au, then *it* needs a glue record for that domain. Well, the glue record will be ``above the cut'': if .au delegates alicesprings.au, it's the .au nameserver that provides the A record for ns1.alicesprings.au; but, yes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 08:26:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74051106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:26:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fusionfoto@yahoo.com) Received: from nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C3A88FC19 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 08:13:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.2] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 08:13:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2010 08:13:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 805706.11171.bm@omp1002.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 54286 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2010 08:13:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1289204034; bh=YlRNlkU5CAz5pW0FG4gPd5Orcxk1P/GqxC4XBSeMkCU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DJfGntuO8kii1UKYWKvPGGUXMb17ZamD0RpBriYCjZsEoadIvyNCxR4e1VV9RCVIkV37r5sZsrXvVVZDW1Eb9aIpCMZK92INpUhJLbuFLT2mFlWIDOdhA0VEduuy07Jb9hS5jLDYn5XNxk8Z61Ntk4X+Ij32bEqhTX13Vm2NKKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dcwsSu0DjjkPcjZ3fgjedkpN9+GhGzryIHLHTbxyuTy5FQ33I3E04Z0YQB6IW7HtaAte98DDj7Ob4YJeP6BqCGATqm2K/cGWKZklWlPhjFZYMSdkL1eJSdezeOPzJn7ptWPlobcboTo3Q/DYb9yNp7nIpqd18wTNNlhxUPhJZLA=; Message-ID: <340170.48770.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _8bCRYsVM1lkd2KlCQjU8rOOuwfrDBg1SZrOz2.VUkhs0p3 QIb_j3oINOdL2OMGTjvyI4hDuZfieat40stLI0Byjc_SdgjYcDSCc2WCZYzc JWxosYb2KI80MPj8K_pJ01g2t.pXvvpD5imP51J3WorXAI2J14aHZ0o.CvHD zP7P8zMF7JBa8nlVZ6DjSVRAKfMt6eYio31tL_5rZiX3PnPC9gtJ3HUlCadh myExe_JBA_LPldUoAaRadBJ2bf3JFOMfLK9MAoVuwvxWrA8V4tgVhMFw5BpP 8bNiMy59nDbN17f.VEJSiY6Dws7lt98.bJXlu Received: from [173.79.229.32] by web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:13:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.9 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:13:53 -0800 (PST) From: DJ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: zfs performance issues with iscsi (istgt) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:26:49 -0000 After scratching my head for a few weeks, I've decided to ask for some help= . First, I've got two machines connected by gigabit ethernet, network perform= ance is not a problem as I am able to substantially saturate the wire when = not using iscsi [say iperf] or ftp. Both systems are 8.1-RELENG. They are b= oth multi-core, 8G of RAM.=20 Symptoms: When doing writes (size relatively independent) from a client to = a server via iSCSI I seem to be=0A hitting a wall between 18-26MB/s of writ= e. This can be repeated continuously whether doing a newfs on a 2TB iscsi v= olume or doing a dd from /dev/zero to the iscsi target. I haven't compared = read performance. What originally put me on to this was watching the newfs = *fly* across the screen, and then hang for several seconds, and then *fly* = again, and=0A then pause.=20 This looked like a write-delay problem, so I tweaked txgwrite values and/or= the synctime values. This showed some improvements (iostat showed somethin= g closer to continuous write performance to the server but there was still = a delay whether the write_limit was 384MB all the way up to 4GB. This tells= me the spindles weren't holding the throughput back. The iostat size was n= ever much beyond 20-26MB/s, peaks were frequently two-three times that, but= then it would be 1MB/s for a few seconds which would bring us back to this= average). CPU and network load were never the limiting factor, nor did the= spindles ever get above 20-30% busy.=20 So I added two USB keys that write at around 30-40MB/s, and mirrored them a= s a ZIL log. iostat verifies they are being used, but not continuously, it = seems that the txgwrite value applies to writing to the ZIL. I also tried t= urning off the ZIL log and saw no particular performance increase (or=0A de= crease). When newfs (which jumps around a lot more than dd) the performance= throughput does not change much at all. Even at 26K-40K pps, interrupt loa= ds and such are not problematic, turning on polling does not change the per= formance appreciably. The "server" is a RAIDZ2 of 15 drives @ 2TB each. So *write* throughput sho= uld be pretty fast sequentially (i.e. the dd case), but it is returning ide= ntically. This server does nothing much but istgt -- tried NCQ values from = 255 down to 32 to no improvement. Even though network performance was not showing a particular limit, I *did*= get from 18MB/s to 26MB/s by tweaking tcp sendbuf* and tcp send* values wa= y beyond reason even though the TCP throughput hadn't been a problem in non= iscsi operations. So whatever i'm doing is not addressing the particular problem. The drives = have plenty of available I/O, but instead of using it, or the RAM in the sy= stem, or the ZIL in the system, it seems=0A largely idle, pegs the system w= ith continuous (but not max speed) writes and halts the network transfers, = and then continues on its way.=20 Even if its a threading issue (i.e. we are single threading) there should b= e some way to make this behave like a normal system considering how much RA= M, SSD, and other resources I'm trying to through at this thing. For exampl= e, after the buffer starts to empty, additional writes from the client shou= ld be accepted and NCQ should help reorder to process them in an efficient = fashion, etc, etc.=20 istgt settings: istgt version 0.3 istgt extra version 20100707 =A0=A0=A0 MaxSessions=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 32 =A0=A0=A0 MaxConnections=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 32 =A0=A0=A0 FirstBurstLength=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 65536 =A0=A0=A0 MaxBurstLength=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 262144 =A0=A0=A0 MaxRecvDataSegmentLength 262144 Local benchmarks like dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/tank/dump bs=3D1M count=3D120= 00 returns like 200MB/s. 12582912000 bytes transferred in 61.140903 secs (2= 05801867 bytes/sec), and show continuous (as expected) writes to the spindl= es. (200MB/s is pretty close to the max I/O speed we can expect given the p= ort the controller is in and RAID overhead, etc with 7200 RPM drives, at 59= 00 RPM the number is about 80MB/s).=20 If this is an istgt problem, is there a way to get reasonable performance o= ut of it? I know I'm not losing my mind here, so if someone has tackled this particul= ar problem (or its sort), please chime in and let me know what tunable I'm = missing. :) Thanks very much, in advance, DJ =0A=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 08:37:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66183106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3B8FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.11]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 8837622 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:37:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD7B6E0.2010501@stillbilde.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:37:52 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <340170.48770.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <340170.48770.qm@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7E358C8745EC838ABC4580B7" Subject: Re: zfs performance issues with iscsi (istgt) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:37:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7E358C8745EC838ABC4580B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08.11.2010 09:13, DJ wrote: >=20 > After scratching my head for a few weeks, I've decided to ask for some = help. >=20 > First, I've got two machines connected by gigabit ethernet, network per= formance is not a problem as I am able to substantially saturate the wire= when not using iscsi [say iperf] or ftp. Both systems are 8.1-RELENG. Th= ey are both multi-core, 8G of RAM.=20 >=20 > Symptoms: When doing writes (size relatively independent) from a client= to a server via iSCSI I seem to be > hitting a wall between 18-26MB/s of write. This can be repeated contin= uously whether doing a newfs on a 2TB iscsi volume or doing a dd from /de= v/zero to the iscsi target. I haven't compared read performance. What ori= ginally put me on to this was watching the newfs *fly* across the screen,= and then hang for several seconds, and then *fly* again, and > then pause.=20 I'll snip down this mail a little bit to ask some control questions (having recently had quite a wrestle with iSCSI myself). -Is jumbo frames involved? (and enabled on the initiator, all switches in between, and the target) -What's the number of PPS (some switches have PPS issues, which becomes painfully relevant for small block IO)? (I got rid of most of my problems when I replaced the Netgear GS724Tv3 switch with a Cisco SG-300)= -Are you running digests? -Do you have TSO/TSOv2 enabled at the endpoints? -Does top -HSC reveal anything? -Does systat -vmstat 1 reveal anything? -What's the ICMP (ping) roundtrip times between the initiator and target IPs? //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. 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Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig7E358C8745EC838ABC4580B7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzXtuQACgkQODUnwSLUlKSldgCgn74zkXjfsXT0MRfjurLG8PF5 KlgAn3ycNZSiblM9f3lb1qFNj93ckTd0 =U+m9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7E358C8745EC838ABC4580B7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 08:45:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20EA1065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271B38FC1D for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so1986860wwb.1 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:45:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EbVAL6LU/N1Yfab7OOHyGYFVhC7VQ8JV58mZ58CrJQ0=; b=PynLc5hnhg1QGo1J9cyN1i0cIlFnV5coRLf6N2XEGWyTZh8MZLKt1Fv9J8ofax30xi vTAeUIx39NDL8h84FJiVA9yiYCGlzc1SJgB0dyZ0jO08A75341vTJRs6/70c63yfBzTg 3/Cz5gaRspieJeJd+Gtw+TFNHiiEGRhGkVhWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UsqpSRnXrkpiU6udtKNwHFwPYXbJI/+y1hV7gqZVl+ISDK2qbQrzobEPftKbF0fUuR YvClJP65B0YPpHBN/h+nWDfx8GzhqcXvcSSe6Yzzv96JjZbb8QcLAHl/VtgShThXGOka udBcj3wZ3ymf537Q3FOK/kOdKY1q3e9f07Mag= Received: by 10.227.155.213 with SMTP id t21mr4991470wbw.132.1289205904914; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h29sm637909wbc.21.2010.11.08.00.45.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 00:45:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:45:01 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108084501.6c0c9994@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:45:06 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: > > > When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in > > conjunction with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as > > through as the "-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish > > its goal. > > Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR? I hope so, or I have a > correction to make... Yes, unless -F is used, in which case -R causes a checksum-recursive target to be used. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 09:01:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165601065672 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:01:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685858FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oA891JIo080054; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:01:20 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:01:19 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <20101106120033.CB14610656D7@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101106120033.CB14610656D7@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gnrp@physik.tu-berlin.de Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:01:24 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 11, Message: 4 On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:00:34 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Julian Fagir wrote: > > > Does anyone has a "generate-pi.c" source code? > ... > > 1 #include > > 2 #include > > 3 #include > > 4 > > 5 // Change this for a more accurate result. > > 6 long max = 100000000; > > 7 double a, b; > > 8 double pi; > > 9 long counter; > > 10 long i; > > 11 > > 12 int main() { > > 13 for (i = 0; i< max; i++) { > > 14 a = drand48(); > > 15 b = drand48(); > > 16 if (a*a + b*b <= 1) > > 17 counter++; > > 18 } > > 19 pi = 4*counter; Surely that should be 'pi = 4 * counter / max;' otherwise even if the integer counter were only 1 (of 100000000), pi would already be 4 :) > > 20 > > 21 printf("%e\n", pi); > > 22 return(0); > > 23 } > ... > > This approximation is stupid ... Just take 'random' numbers and > > look whether they are in a circle (that's the a*a + b*b <= 1). > > Not stupid, clever. Very clever. I rather doubt it resembles what > the OP had in mind, but it is a brilliant example of what can be > accomplished when one casts aside any perceived need to adopt a > conventional approach. Agreed, quite elegant. Geometry being a bit rusty, I had to sketch it to really see it as simply the ratio of the area of the first quadrant of the unit circle (pi/4) to that of the unit square (1.0), times 4. > > The detail of this approximation heavily depends on the pseudo-rng > > you are using, as does its correctness > > Perhaps it would be useful in a PRNG test suite? > > > (e.g., when your 'rng' always returns 10, pi would be computed to > > be 10) ... > > Bad example. If abs(drand48()) always exceeded (0.5 * sqrt(2.0)), > a*a + b*b would always exceed 1.0, thus counter would never be > incremented and pi would be reported as zero. That'd be one pretty sad PRNG :) but testing variance of the above algorithm's result to best known double pi is likely a useful test. And while a square enclosing a circle, it's hardly squaring the circle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle .. but an interesting read nonetheless for unrequited seekers of pi-foo :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 09:21:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909521065672 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382FF8FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940E31D8F9; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:21:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA89LcFm001525; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:21:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:21:38 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bruce Cran Message-Id: <20101108102138.123e473f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:21:41 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:07:29 +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > With the command-line you also choose the inefficiency of having to > read the man page every time you want to do something you're not > familiar with. Not fully. The strength of the command line is (1st) that things you learned can easily be transferred to new topics, and (2nd) you can conclude from what you already know. GUI usually is a "discover new things each time"; as a good example I may point you to famous office suits that tend to re-arrange their functionality with each release. > Well-designed UIs allow you to easily discover how to do > it without resorting to the Help file - and since people tend to have > good visual memories they can remember it better than a string of > characters. Okay, you're comparing visual memory ("looks like") to the use of language (a "foreign" one, admitted), which is a basic cultural means (the use of a language). Following your argument, it is obvious that many GUI applications are NOT well-designed, as they force their users to continuously re-discover and re-learn things. Additionally, GUI prohibits giving clear instructions. Those that can be copied+pased are out of scope, of course. Instructions look like childrens books - full of pictures. This is logical as there is no benefit in DESCRIBING those pictures - would be too much text, text scares users. Learning CLI is like learning a language: If you're once familiar with the elements of the language (its vocabulary, its syntax, its use), you can express ANYTHING with it. With GUI, you're just free to choose from a predefined and LIMITED set of options. You can choose from "ready-made sentences", but you can't express your own statements. The CLI approach leads to a continuous growth of knowledge (that is portable), while the GUI approach often just leads into stagnation. A real benefit of GUI, as I can admit without any problems, is that people judge by first sight. This is a visual impression that has nothing to do with any knowledge, it's just like saying "I like Da Vinci's 'Mona Lisa', but I don't like Edvard Munch's 'Scream'." Keep in mind this is a VALID statement that does not require any knowledge to be formed. By well-designed GUI, products can easily be placed on markets. Advertising based on visual impression works much better for masses (!) than product presentation based on actual features (that require knowledge to form a statement about them). > A good example of this is Subversion tagging/branching: in > Windows I can use the menu option "TortoiseSVN -> branch/tag..." to > create a branch and have it done in a minute. Using the command-line > I'd have to spend time reading up on the commandline parameters to > achieve the same thing, since it's something I only do about once a > year or so. In a different Subversion GUI client, this functionality may be found at a completely different place. CLI applications usually have more things in common than GUI applications. That said, you can easily see why generic UNIX knowledge, no matter if achieved on BSD, Solaris, Linux or AIX, is portable, while GUI knowledge, achieved in a "Windows" of version N, is not portable to version N+1, as it is outdated. There even is no generic knowledge, one may assume. Let me ensure you that I'm NOT against GUI generically. I'm even lazy when it comes to reconsidering my daily habits of interacting with the system. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 09:30:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610271065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4358FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187371E403 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:30:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA89U8Lg001550 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:30:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:30:08 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:30:10 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:41:09 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Up to a point, yes. But as options become more complex, either the GUI > must also become more complex or you reach the tipping point where the > complexity warrants the use of language instead of gestures. This is a valid point. There was a statement - no idea who said or wrote that - expressing it well, and I'm sure I'm mapping it into context right now: GUI makes simple tasks simpler. It also makes complex tasks impossible. As a GUI is only "choosing from a predefined subset of options", complex tasks make the corresponding GUI more complex. This may proceed until the GUI isn't usable anymore. At this point, it gets abandoned, naturally. According to your point gestures vs. languages: Consider being a child. When you didn't have the ability to use language, you did point to objects and made a sound, "ga!" or "dah!" or whatever. Later on, when you learned to use the language, it started at not being perfect, but you kept learning it and then used it to express wishes, thoughts, needs. In this way, you did abandon pointing and "dah!". Why? It should have worked continuously - e. g. there was no obvious reason others would stop interacting with you at that non-language level. But that is how intellectual development works. It is an evolutionary consideration. Applying this to GUI and CLI concepts, GUI, pointing and clicking, resembles the childish way of nonverbal communication. CLI, forming statements using a language, is like verbal communication. The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling and "experience", but are useless to those who want to achieve a certain goal with it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 09:43:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6111065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A1B8FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8564DE7208; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chad Perrin Message-ID: <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:43:06 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if > you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what > you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't > mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of > the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original > description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the > fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks > are concerned. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that it was worthless, just that I believe the efficiency works the other way sometimes. For example I did Linux development for a while earlier this year and found it to be extremely inefficient compared to working in Windows, due to overuse of terminals and command-line operation - and I grew up running BBC BASIC and have been using FreeBSD for many years. I love having the command-line available and indeed often develop software using just an xterm but I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 09:56:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416D2106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA5C8FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214EB3CA75; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:56:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA89u1C0001610; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:56:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:56:00 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101108105600.34369a74.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:56:04 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very > familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or > something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time, > because I have to mouse around a lot. > > Hmm. I wonder which I should choose. Why choose? Combine efficiently! :-) > I > select and middle click to paste quite a lot. This is much better than the ^C/^V approach, as seems to be supported by every application, no matter which "echosystem" it comes from. Every? Erm... no. Did I recently talk about bloat? About reduction of functionality? I did. Allow me to elaborate on an example. It's a Gtk version 2 example. Let's say it's X-Chat 2. It's the channel selection dialog on startup. In version 1 (using Gtk), you could select an item from a list using doubleclick on that item. In version 2, you are forced to select the item with one click, move the mouse to a button and then click that. First: t(2cl) > t(1cl + move + 1cl). Then what happens if you still doubleclick on a list item? It becomes an input field. Well, hmmm... could be useful. Let's put some text in there from another program window. Oops, the window lost focus, and the input field got a list item again! Okay, not a big deal, we'll be back soon. After selecting the text (e. g. in a browser, a text editor, whatever), again clicking the list item, it gets an input field. Middle mouse... erm, middle mouse... middle mouse... why doesn't this work? Buffer empty? Check in an xterm... no, text is in the buffer. WHAT'S WRONG?! So what did Gtk 2 achieve here? 1. increased time for selection 2. inability to use copy / paste 3. - the most annoying one - FORCING to type (even if this just means ^C/^V) I really can't stand it when BASIC functionality disappears with NO understandable effect. Fatter libraries, longer time until program is up, and then everything gets slower and much less productive -- that must be bloat. > I'm not opposed to use of > the GUI per se; I just use TUIs much more often, because I use them for > tasks that I perform an awful lot if they happen to benefit (in terms of > efficiency and productivity) by the use of a TUI. When they don't, I use > a GUI instead. That exactly is an educated standpoint - use whatever tool is the best - instead of insisting that the tool HAS TO BE a GUI tool, like saying: "But I WANT the screwdriver to be a drill! I've ALWAYS used screwdrivers as drills, and EVERYONE uses screwdrivers as drills! Oh, and it should work as a hammer, too." By the way, TUI (text user interface) doesn't imply that is has to be CLI (command line interface). A famous example from by daily use is the Midnight Commander, a file manager that DOES IT CORRECTLY. As many (most?) things you do is a source-target- opertion (copying, moving, symlinking), the two-panel mode is the ideal solution. Good keyboard controls and the use of the very useful function keys is one of its strengths. Still, it does operate in text mode (defaults to 80x25, but can be used at any window size), so you can easily work with it over a serial line or SSH. GUI usually means abstraction. Abstraction adds layers, in this way or another. At some point, this is good as you can "fit things together", but at some point, it gets unusable because you can't address the things directly you NEED to address directly. > I wouldn't be willing to waste the time on little inefficiencies every > single time I did *anything* with Subversion just for the dubious benefit > of a one-time efficiency benefit once a year because I didn't remember off > the top of my head how to branch, though. >From computer science, just see what "O notation" means, and see that constant compexity is traditionally better than linear complexity: O(1) < O(n). :-) > I suppose your mileage may vary, though. It always depends on individual preferences, talents, knowledge and experience. I'm always impressed by people who are more advanced than me, who use "minimalistic" environments and can work faster, more productive, more relaxed. Allthough the tools they use may look "archaic", "not modern", "old" and "difficult" to me, given knowledge and experience they DE FACTO are better for them. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 10:01:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DDE106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7348FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C85D3D3B8; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:01:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oA8A0xN5001651; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:00:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:00:59 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Bruce Cran Message-Id: <20101108110059.c05350df.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:01:01 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > [...] I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by > bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. Yes. Plain YES. I'm just waiting for the GUI that actually DOES that. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 10:01:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F35106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:01:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from faust64@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4CD8FC22 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so1082566qyk.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:01:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=MLFquMGhviHZQEMCDa9qq/ht9Q7A9sCm84CdNnwHaXw=; b=DNg0kH5LSjSbLeI+yfjDJz0B34YxP0pB/caQnB3CAYzYSW7KVqkeK2JWLiFVf+K3xd mB/HLobfyZP/ZNKyLb4acoWFu+JhrqKjT0VCohCjWZmOp+mDhpvO1316tVIrVFr8hkUD y7UVrCOkS+Ch5IeQSRihWx7QI+WykYbLiRTyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=P9rEnHeUbZ3p6WJy/6bEtw+Qdr6yAgW0Br6Kv2gb0GiN2YgUVM+sHGK7neG/u2uAjn mJVrs03sOPtQMa6DvttZPSR+zeWnCbAR9lyOIWNb4zeyJgTiDiG+3Hs1GHpCyiij3GYd HVQihFzjTpG3F4xFKO8o7f9YJecQbiYvVp3z0= Received: by 10.224.211.5 with SMTP id gm5mr3687897qab.130.1289210511676; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:01:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.188.68 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 02:01:11 -0800 (PST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:01:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: UFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:01:53 -0000 Hi, We have a problem with a few of our users. And I'm a bit speechless since I understood what are our commercials doing... Whatever... We are providing a pre-configured FreeBSD distribution, for videosurveillance prupose. It seems the machines sold with our distribution may come with at max 44TB RAID space. And more likely, all the RAID space is allocated in an only partition (UFS)= . Note that these servers includes only 2GB of RAM. So, since a few, custommers are calling, telling us that there's a problem with their RAID space. As far as I know, all these users are running our FreeBSD-6.2 based version= . They try to run fsck, wait .... and eventually fsck stops, saying it can't do anything (I haven't the exact error message...). My boss came, and asked me wether I think upgrading these custommers to our 7.2 based version would fix that. I told him I'm not up to date about that kind of info. But more likely, UFS/fsck worked fine in 6.2, no way there's such a big change in 7 branch. In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an additional drive, make a huge swap file... Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would at least take days. In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way? Regards, --=20 Samuel Mart=EDn Moro {EPITECH.} tek5 CamTrace S.A.S (+033) 1 41 38 37 60 1 All=E9e de la Venelle 92150 Suresnes FRANCE "Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ..." Xorg.conf(5) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 10:06:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739EA106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEC98FC1A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.31.11.193] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFOcP-0002QF-O7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:06:29 +0100 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA8A6OiT003099 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:06:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oA8A6O9t003098 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:06:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:06:24 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108100624.GA3055@current.Sisis.de> References: <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108105600.34369a74.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101108105600.34369a74.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 193.31.11.193 Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:06:31 -0000 El da Monday, November 08, 2010 a las 10:56:00AM +0100, Polytropon escribi: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > So, let's see here -- either I lose efficiency on things that aren't very > > familiar to me, because I have to type `foo --help` or `man foo` or > > something like that, or I lose efficiency on things I do all the time, > > because I have to mouse around a lot. > > > > Hmm. I wonder which I should choose. > > Why choose? Combine efficiently! :-) ... Hi folks, I think this philosofic discussion has little or nothing todo with FreeBSD. Could you move this elsewhere, or off-list? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 10:22:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8967E106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432588FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967E2E7208; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:22:00 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20101108102200.0000449f@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101108110059.c05350df.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> <20101108110059.c05350df.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:22:05 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:00:59 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +0000, Bruce Cran > wrote: > > [...] I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by > > bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. > > Yes. Plain YES. I'm just waiting for the GUI that actually DOES > that. :-) Try KDevelop. It brings together an editor, file manager, debugger, etc. into a single application. Similarly I find the KDE file manager can increase productivity for _certain_ things such as working on a remote filesystem (via ssh/samba/ftp) because it brings ssh/ftp functionality to a file manager. I do still find it more efficient to use the command-line when working locally though :) -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 11:23:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D70D1065790 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:23:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EA18FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so3422097ywh.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.10.27 with SMTP id 27mr5149962agj.116.1289215378671; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z30sm3616292yhc.9.2010.11.08.03.22.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F9A2E54856 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:22:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:22:55 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101108062255.432ca434@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:23:00 -0000 On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 22:11:50 -0700 (MST) Warren Block articulated: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: >=20 > > When using 'portupgrade', I commonly use the '-r' flag in > > conjunction with the previously discussed '-a' flag. While not as > > through as the "-u -p" flags with 'portmanger', it does accomplish > > its goal. >=20 > Isn't portupgrade -a equivalent to -arR? I hope so, or I have a=20 > correction to make... =46rom the man: -a --all Do with all the installed packages. Equivalent to specify '*' as pkgname_glob. -r --recursive Act on all those packages depending on the given packages as well. -R --upward-recursive Act on all those packages required by the given packages as well. (When specified with -F, fetch recursively, including the brand new, uninstalled ports that an upgraded port requires) I don't see anything that specifically states the the "-R or -r" flags are in included with the "-a" flag; although I might be misinterpreting it. If it was implied i think it should have been better documented. Perhaps the only way to positively ascertain the correct answer would be to actually study the apps code, something I have neither the time nor inclination to do. --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 11:51:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3E3106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DFA8FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFQFa-0008Mo-Ji for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:51:02 +0100 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:51:02 +0100 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:51:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:50:52 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Subject: Re: UFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:51:04 -0000 On 11/08/10 11:01, Samuel Martín Moro wrote: > In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an > additional drive, make a huge swap file... > Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would at > least take days. > > > In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way? Basically, no. You can't expect fsck a 44 TB drive with 2 GB of RAM, there is too much information to be kept while checking. However, IIRC there have been some committed patches in 7 and later which reduced the amount of memory so going with at least 7-STABLE would be better. It would of course be even better to go with 8-STABLE or wait for 9.0 which should be released in several months and then either use UFS-SUJ or ZFS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 12:01:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40B51065673 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9A18FC24 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsd.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.59] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFQPa-0000GP-7i for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:01:22 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PFQPa-0003ex-4D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:01:22 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA8C1LHZ031275 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:01:21 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oA8C1L7S031274 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:01:21 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:01:21 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108120121.GA28919@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: static linking with gfortran? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:01:24 -0000 On ia64 -current I'm trying to statically link against gfortran45 libraries, following from GCC fortran wiki (http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GFortranGettingStarted) : % gfortran45 -static mach-fort.f90 -o z % file z z: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, IA-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped % ./z ELF binary type "0" not known. ./z: Exec format error. Binary file not executable. What am I missing? many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 13:20:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A78F1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duncan.young@pobox.com) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573448FC16 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C326E410 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 08:04:09 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: imtmcAT1lo/K+GhphQqn9qSv1oLOC22p1qFY+fIiINja 1289221448 Received: from triple0.internal (c122-108-168-198.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au [122.108.168.198]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB31440117B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from triple0.internal (triple0 [192.168.0.50]) by triple0.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3206553A9D for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:04:04 +1000 (EST) From: Duncan Young To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:04:01 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <20101102034203.GA4799@thought.org> <20101103055000.GB4073@thought.org> <20101103055527.GA11737@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20101103055527.GA11737@dan.emsphone.com> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011082304.02065.duncan.young@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: is there a utillity...? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:20:33 -0000 On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 03:55:28 pm Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Nov 02), Gary Kline said: > > On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 01:44:37AM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > > > On Wednesday 03 November 2010 01:17:00 Gary Kline wrote: > > > > The Bps Down is supposed to me 1M. Up is 864Kbps. I spent hours > > > > googling around and trying things. So far, not much. ---It occured > > > > that I _might_ be geting the full thru-put; that it is data that is > > > > flowing in via the background that stalls things. (I have just shut > > > > off the automated flow.) > > > > > > You can run "systat -if" to see how much bandwidth is being used by the > > > computer. At 1M you should see around 120KB/s downlink. > > > > Yes... outstanding. Is there any sort of GUI app tat has this in a geaph > > or histogram? > > Not a gui app, but I use "netstat -I em0 1" a lot to watch my network > activity. Replace em0 with your nic device. Gkrellm is a gui app that > gives you little network histograms for each interface, but they're little :) > > Text based real time graphing: slurm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 13:52:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D00D1065679 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32668FC1A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so3429732wyb.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 05:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=scCyysCoS/lMekI9czjvyaqxu5qk2ztkIXO7UdX23vE=; b=NeBZZ7J2eO8gQ81FpqO5nWx6LzDUeKuQ8VTTJSpnSno+SPzPxlQYntRaXG9vQF889t vKuxDKGCAbp4cvHWSpblEONnqnJUpNnspwg++KQDokJ74zmuI2JNLDJ9eJl8paaznTTu MUzD7T8Bkhu/YIyowRZj3IvXuB0Bnqz6mQEX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=WsykshRo4Pt+FhVzXXGIoJ7bQK2ZmgQXaXDEYqz/H7gIoBCBOaggRBfIYIdDyfSmPS 8c5qW6EbmKhd+bcFk+P6H8II5SbcXQFxZWUU6juYbedP782zsLFJHd5doLfY5Ma66s3h zF3a8iga9F4SV/xloXk/M1e3dkuzCk361+HYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.196.156 with SMTP id r28mr5310404wen.29.1289224341142; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 05:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 05:52:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:52:21 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:52:23 -0000 On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra > > > features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important > data > > > can do without checksuming. > > > > I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of > > external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a > > problem. > > The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See > geli(8), > especially the -a option. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) > im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the checksum doesnt match etc? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 14:38:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B924D10656A3 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C548FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2776582eyb.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:38:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lcMa9R/qWWHCTcUjVr9yZZ6jVck64y27jbcKQQpFbBI=; b=lxq+psLGE29bY+aj3ZwNjwTbKpL+MX9u04CijqwghkkWQmww5vwPyE8AKREvzv7xpC CEuS2bcKXK5JhCnd54g28Fhk2erruuWzZ+GYyT/E+/67WoK4xRqsN93gdvx3QK34hrCn Xee6w8ELrCuKRpc/yIojw+bsfRmBul8QE1Vhs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cEmKsuqrJzT/TuPzVxirYH0ScI9FEjAHsfj+MqFhiC+QHFfHQNUULvMpnv39AkClIc UHNbvVFxd+x98GFNew2KOapTm4RuaxP+o6xD8KOqA9V/PBI8k3D+oMbw9F7EMypSjaoi GNIcdmVkhU0sAd5codfpeQcNZCbzVaXT7b9jc= Received: by 10.216.60.203 with SMTP id u53mr5409064wec.36.1289227084202; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x59sm3151718weq.14.2010.11.08.06.38.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:38:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:37:59 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108143759.271acd17@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20101108062255.432ca434@scorpio> References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> <20101108062255.432ca434@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:38:06 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:22:55 -0500 Jerry wrote: > I don't see anything that specifically states the the "-R or -r" > flags are in included with the "-a" flag; although I might be > misinterpreting it. If it was implied i think it should have been > better documented. -aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former. I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package that isn't in the set of all installed packages. The remaining question is whether -Ra also recurses though new dependencies, and that's covered in the entry for -R. It doesn't really matter though, since -aRr is only a waste of keystrokes. > Perhaps the only way to positively ascertain the correct answer would > be to actually study the apps code, opts.def_option("-a", "--all", "Do with all the installed packages") { |$all| $recursive = false $upward_recursive = false } ... opts.def_option("-r", "--recursive", "Do with all those depending on the given packages" << NEXTLINE << "as well") { $recursive = true unless $all } opts.def_option("-R", "--upward-recursive", "Do with all those required by the given packages" << NEXTLINE << "as well / Fetch recursively if -F is specified") { $upward_recursive = true unless $all $fetch_recursive = true } ... if $fetch_recursive cmdargs << 'checksum-recursive' else cmdargs << 'checksum' end From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 15:37:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BC7106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0688FC23 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA8Fbnwb021071 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:37:49 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:37:49 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101030 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Questions References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:37:51 -0000 On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote: > On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>> Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra >>>> features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important >> data >>>> can do without checksuming. >>> >>> I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what kind of >>> external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a >>> problem. >> >> The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See >> geli(8), >> especially the -a option. >> >> Roland >> -- >> R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ >> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] >> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) >> > > im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to be a > fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it doesnt > adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the > checksum doesnt match etc? Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. -- "Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like." -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 15:49:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870B11065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DBF8FC1C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oA8FmIQE097405; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oA8FmIMx097404; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:48:18 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: yoganjaneyulu kasetti Message-ID: <20101108154818.GD97242@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:49:16 -0000 On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: > hi, > > I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one can > guide me for the same. > > I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the > extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different *input > folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i go > to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command > line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a > time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for > the same. > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete rm -R *.chk rm -R *.log rm -R *.gjk Or am I missing something. ////jerry > > thank you. > > regards, > sweety. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 16:08:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C851065679 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966C38FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.11]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 5D4038A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:08:33 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0B15181B9B731332876079AC" Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:08:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0B15181B9B731332876079AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote: >> On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>>> Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extr= a >>>>> features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any importan= t >>> data >>>>> can do without checksuming. >>>> >>>> I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what >>>> kind of >>>> external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of = a >>>> problem. >>> >>> The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See= >>> geli(8), >>> especially the -a option. >>> >>> Roland >>> --=20 >>> R.F.Smith =20 >>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ >>> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much >>> appreciated] >>> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: >>> C321A725) >>> >> >> im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to >> be a >> fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it >> doesnt >> adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects t= he >> checksum doesnt match etc? >=20 > Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is > recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentiall= y > malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the > fletcher2 (=3D fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used= to > make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for error recovery would (imho) be better. 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Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig0B15181B9B731332876079AC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzYIIQACgkQODUnwSLUlKSAXACeMlNzhpV76oIQh69FODfk/YR3 o5kAoKRgLRU2Skx72G515Iop9GpIc02K =KqNS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0B15181B9B731332876079AC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 16:38:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682341065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B58D8FC18 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3179 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2010 16:38:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2010 16:38:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=UibGyAQdpdOSiSBAz0ErLSGhui25zA79+HaiogBB6xOytFVIKltpVKBIs63FTT9wCdvFfWwpieHGAsf/JJewViZ6ckBt7l+WpaB2CWzuKBAEvCaf+6ZNpdm0U/Hk+PFW; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFUjc-0004XQ-5Q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:38:21 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:32:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:32:20 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108163220.GB21595@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:38:22 -0000 --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:43:01AM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: >=20 > > I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if > > you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what > > you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't > > mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of > > the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original > > description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the > > fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks > > are concerned. >=20 > Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that it was worthless, just that I > believe the efficiency works the other way sometimes. For example I did > Linux development for a while earlier this year and found it to be > extremely inefficient compared to working in Windows, due to overuse of > terminals and command-line operation - and I grew up running BBC BASIC > and have been using FreeBSD for many years. I love having the > command-line available and indeed often develop software using just an > xterm but I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by > bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. You probably found it "inefficient" because you did not bother to gain sufficient familiarity with it to enjoy the efficiencies it provided. Seriously. In my experience, development on MS Windows with clicky GUI tools like Visual Studio only seems more efficient when doing things that are very well-worn paths to very uninteresting destinations for people who have never bothered to learn a better way. A well-configured Vim provides a substantial efficiency boost for the competent user that dwarfs the dubious benefits of things like Intellisense, for instance. When developing software in a Unix(-like) environment, I typically have *several* terminals open, running different programs. For Ruby, for instance, I might have a Vim terminal, an irb terminal, and a test suite terminal, possibly including a second buffer in the test suite terminal for running the program separately when appropriate -- rather than just "using just an xterm" -- and it works better than any Visual Studio setup I've encountered on MS Windows for similar development. In fact, there are whole classes of software that are effectively impossible to develop effectively on MS Windows; it doesn't get much more inefficient than that. Sometimes a GUI that brings things together can help. You're right about that. Unfortunately, such GUIs usually shoot themselves in the foot by not just bringing things together, but actually replacing them so that the benefits of the separate things are lost, resulting in a net loss of productivity enhancement. That's what I get from IDEs like Visual Studio. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzYJhQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVlPQCdFsIvxRQF+zfdJo36NvEawwlJ 5tAAoMH02Akqs6d9pGhinbx522VGkZj3 =4ixA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3uo+9/B/ebqu+fSQ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 17:46:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCB3106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsdq@peterk.org) Received: from poshta.pknet.net (poshta.pknet.net [216.241.167.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7748FC12 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24240 invoked by uid 89); 8 Nov 2010 17:19:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO webmail.pknet.net) (127.0.0.1) by poshta.pknet.net with ESMTP; 8 Nov 2010 17:19:55 -0000 Received: from 216.241.167.208 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fbsdq@peterk.org) by webmail.pknet.net with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:19:55 -0700 From: "Peter" To: questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: how to trace /dev/gpt/label to adaX to conroller? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:46:37 -0000 iH, Is there any easy straight forward way to trace my /dev/gpt/data.zfs disk to what ada device it is, and on what controller? I've traced it manually by doing a gpart list adaX |grep data.zfs on each adaX device, then somehow I found out what controller it is on [I think by manually looking at serial number of the disk, and tracing cables]. This was easy when I had 2 disks, but now I have 4, and figure there could be an easier way instead of doing a 'for i' loop on each adaX device, tracing cables, etc. FreeBSD 8-STABLE if it makes a difference. ]Peter[ I'm prolly doing something wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 17:47:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D686310656C9 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591888FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA8Hlr9a023162; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:47:53 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4CD837C9.6090800@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:47:53 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101030 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> In-Reply-To: <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:47:56 -0000 On 11/08/10 16:08, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > On 08.11.2010 16:37, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 11/08/10 13:52, krad wrote: >>> On 6 November 2010 21:38, Roland Smith wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 02:30:16PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: >>>>>> Having said all that it really depends on whether you need the extra >>>>>> features of zfs. Personally I cant see how anyone with any important >>>> data >>>>>> can do without checksuming. >>>>> >>>>> I guess that depends on what you're doing with the data and what >>>>> kind of >>>>> external tools you have in place to protect/duplicate it in case of a >>>>> problem. >>>> >>>> The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See >>>> geli(8), >>>> especially the -a option. >>>> >>>> Roland >>>> -- >>>> R.F.Smith >>>> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ >>>> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much >>>> appreciated] >>>> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: >>>> C321A725) >>>> >>> >>> im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to >>> be a >>> fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it >>> doesnt >>> adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it detects the >>> checksum doesnt match etc? >> >> Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is >> recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially >> malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the >> fletcher2 (= fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used to >> make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. > > But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are > to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap > for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for > error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less > net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) Presuming you're talking about ZFS, the hash isn't intended to correct hardware errors, it's only there to detect them. Correction comes from mirroring or the use of RAIDZ{1,2,3}. (I have personal experience of how well that works, as I had a disk in a RAIDZ array go bad suddenly, and I didn't lose any data.) Any new solution would almost certainly mimic ZFS's approach of arranging the data as a Merkel tree, and using multiple copies or N out of M shares for correction. I'm not sure GEOM's block orientation fits well with Merkel trees though, although I'd be happy to be corrected by a GEOM expert. -- "Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like." -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 17:51:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD0C106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641DB8FC15 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:51:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4CD8388C.2010703@intersonic.se> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:51:08 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Entropy Key for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:51:12 -0000 Hi, Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key http://www.entropykey.com/ for use with FreeBSD? As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with better skills already did? FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 17:53:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3E2106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997208FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F616E7208; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:53:34 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chad Perrin Message-ID: <20101108175334.00003efb@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101108163220.GB21595@guilt.hydra> References: <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108094301.00007cc7@unknown> <20101108163220.GB21595@guilt.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:53:40 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:32:20 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > You probably found it "inefficient" because you did not bother to gain > sufficient familiarity with it to enjoy the efficiencies it provided. > Seriously. In my experience, development on MS Windows with clicky > GUI tools like Visual Studio only seems more efficient when doing > things that are very well-worn paths to very uninteresting > destinations for people who have never bothered to learn a better > way. A well-configured Vim provides a substantial efficiency boost > for the competent user that dwarfs the dubious benefits of things > like Intellisense, for instance. If you're clicking lots you're doing something wrong :) I think the key thing is "well-configured". I've found that far too many users have poorly-configured systems that require them to drop to a terminal and type commands when they want to run builds, find where something's defined etc. That involves find, grep etc. which is far less efficient than clicking the (the built-in) "Go to definition" command or hitting the shortcut key within an IDE; I know the same can be done in vim by defining macros for building, running ctags/cscope etc. I'm not convinced about IntelliSense either, really. At one job I found people dependended totally on it, and complained when it broke. I find I use it as a productivity enhancement when I know roughly what parameters a function takes but can't remember the ordering - it's more useful when you have a huge framework like Java or .NET, or an overly complex API like WinAPI (e.g. CreateFile). Too many people _do_ depend on it though, which I think introduces an inefficiency in their work. In terms of efficient use of Visual Studio it takes time to learn and become a competent user: for example I hardly ever use the menus since they're so slow to access. I hardly leave the keyboard and hate watching people waste time for example clicking Build, moving to the Build Solution entry and clicking when I could have done it in a fraction of the time using Ctrl-Shift-B. I know vim, with suitable plugins and macros, can be made to be more efficient than Visual Studio since it doesn't require ever using the mouse but the upfront investment in time to learn and configure it is something I've never done, mainly because I've always had more important things to learn and the "inefficiencies" of GUI editors don't really worry me. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 18:35:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240FF1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE68A8FC1C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UbW11f0020bG4ec51ibajx; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:35:34 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UibY1f00C1f6R9u3PibZES; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:35:34 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:35:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:35:30 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101108183530.GB13998@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101108061723.GC18990@guilt.hydra> <20101108105600.34369a74.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101108100624.GA3055@current.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101108100624.GA3055@current.Sisis.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:35:35 -0000 On Mon 08 Nov 2010 at 02:06:24 PST Matthias Apitz wrote: > >I think this philosofic discussion has little or nothing todo with >FreeBSD. Could you move this elsewhere, or off-list? Thanks It's also a very very OLD argument. Surely the debating points have already been collected on a webpage somewhere? If not, I would suggest the participants direct their energies into creating one, so that their wisdom shall be preserved for posterity. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 18:37:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D579A106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646328FC08 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so208166fxm.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:37:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zS+3rzyScD1BHuqKXQIpDcDHBitph6G8Xw68EUGVjzE=; b=Xo3XrPs4Rw+nxDSeirzIXDPBZ+wwsbCCyPGRK8xO6lo9YoV3Iu7gEgrQk63IyuJwrb qwwyZCLUarJS5J0cqz3Go0nR1IMb9ffqxaQ1kN1/Y1B4YJux04eGInAI8lZGXAAW6jN0 3IdyGMfEobddtLzHVjm2dyOXhxqWX/emEnh6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=orgXjp+4m2A+JoqAn4rpJZ+BRckasSlRRcLeq5mdVHrAdaeVQkA9M3ejxCUuTGGNGE Z1KbOXgKSsqRFcKX5wTmj9cFWP6O+8mfy3biY2+ZbO1zRSDGh+0+jnbtMXMZ8eNxqMZH YJyQEgYRqFqz+nhSghHoa8dElddj1ykCFB02E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.86.9 with SMTP id q9mr4144524fal.25.1289241444016; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:37:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:37:23 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:37:26 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 11/08/10 11:01, Samuel Mart=EDn Moro wrote: > > > In my opinion, the only chance to get back the data would be to plug an > > additional drive, make a huge swap file... > > Knowing that context switching, on such an amount of RAM ... that would > at > > least take days. > > > > > > In doubt: am I missing something? Is there an easier way? > > Basically, no. > > You can't expect fsck a 44 TB drive with 2 GB of RAM, there is too much > information to be kept while checking. > > However, IIRC there have been some committed patches in 7 and later > which reduced the amount of memory so going with at least 7-STABLE would > be better. > > It would of course be even better to go with 8-STABLE or wait for 9.0 > which should be released in several months and then either use UFS-SUJ > or ZFS. > Another option would to place UFS on top a gjournal then your fsck become much, much less intensive. However there are several problems with this suggestion as gjournal isn't available for your version, and adding gjourna= l to an existing FS is a non-trivial task and would probably not be feasible. Perhaps you could evaluate it for your next product build though. --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 18:38:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE371065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF28FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8IcMIi098820; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:38:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 27AC1BAB7; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:38:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:38:22 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" Message-ID: <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:38:29 -0000 --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) w= rote: > >>> The GEOM_ELI class provides optional authentication/checksumming. See > >>> geli(8), > >>> especially the -a option. > >> im not sure on whether that you be a viable replacement, as it has to = be > >> a fairly good checksum to avoid clashes, whilst also being quick so it > >> doesnt adversly affect disk performance. Also what does it do if it > >> detects the checksum doesnt match etc? Personally I've never enabled the checksumming because, and I quote from geli(8), "This will reduce size of available storage and also reduce speed". > > Good point. Geli uses a crypto standard hash (HMAC/SHA256 is > > recommended) as it's all about authentication in the face of potentially > > malicious attack, and that's fairly expensive. ZFS by default uses the > > fletcher2 (=3D fletcher32) hash, which is simple and fast, as it's used= to > > make sure that hardware hasn't accidentally mangled your data. But with geli(8) one can choose between HMAC/MD5, HMAC/SHA1, HMAC/RIPEMD160, HMAC/SHA256, HMAC/SHA384 and HMAC/SHA512. With the recommeded HMAC/SHA256 you'll loose 11% of the provider's capacity. Presumably MD5 is fastest while SHA512 is the slowest, while MD5 has a higher chance of collisions. > But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are > to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap > for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for > error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less > net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) I'm not sure what you mean by "true forward-error-correction". But if you w= ant to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you shou= ld: - Calculate a checksum of a data block in memory. - Write the data block to disk (with write caching disabled to make as sure= as possible that the data is on disk when the write finishes. That is a _hug= e_ performance penalty) - Read the data back from disk (and not from the cache!) and compare with t= he original checksum. - If the read checksum control fails, mark the block as bad and repeat at another location Personally I don't see how this is going to be fast without compromising on correctness. If you keep the disk write cache enabled to the best of my knowledge there is no way for the OS to know for sure that the data is actually on the plates, so the read-back and comparison stage might not mean anything.=20 And for SSDs we might need another type of filesystem entirely. Some concep= ts in UFS2 (like e.g. cylinder groups) pretty much useless on SSDs. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzYQ50ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyVaJACgm1DeXKPLmNdB9y/L3ugOpy/7 9eEAn0JrXNcS4DFOYPyZsskGJjmuwCXz =6nau -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 19:18:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7753D1065698 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1668FC31 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:18:24 -0800 Message-ID: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:18:19 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2010 19:18:24.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6D73A80:01CB7F79] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Cc: Subject: apache13 to apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:18:24 -0000 As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the .css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the same directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I got the blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I checked the apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 19:50:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CBB1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89B98FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA8JoL1l077983; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA8JoLbm077980; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: RW In-Reply-To: <20101108143759.271acd17@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> <20101108062255.432ca434@scorpio> <20101108143759.271acd17@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:50:24 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, RW wrote: > -aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former. > > I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed > packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package > that isn't in the set of all installed packages. That sentence makes me a little dizzy. I think you mean that since -a is equivalent to listing all packages on the command line, -r or -R are redundant. So portupgrade \* (i.e., -a) is a superset of portupgrade -r libexample because all the dependencies of libexample are included in the \* and so portupgrade will see they need to be updated because a port they depend on has been updated... Right? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:02:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE95106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17598FC33 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.11]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id CDA0822; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:02:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD85736.1000207@stillbilde.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:01:58 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arthur Chance References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <4CD837C9.6090800@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <4CD837C9.6090800@qeng-ho.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4DAEEF70CA1A44E265BC4861" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:02:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4DAEEF70CA1A44E265BC4861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08.11.2010 18:47, Arthur Chance wrote: *snip* >=20 > Presuming you're talking about ZFS, the hash isn't intended to correct > hardware errors, it's only there to detect them. Correction comes from > mirroring or the use of RAIDZ{1,2,3}. (I have personal experience of ho= w > well that works, as I had a disk in a RAIDZ array go bad suddenly, and = I > didn't lose any data.) Any new solution would almost certainly mimic > ZFS's approach of arranging the data as a Merkel tree, and using > multiple copies or N out of M shares for correction. I'm not sure GEOM'= s > block orientation fits well with Merkel trees though, although I'd be > happy to be corrected by a GEOM expert. No, I'm talking about knowing that a file has been corrupted is a little better than not knowing it has been corrupted. But it still won't help bring back the file. And I'm ... all too familiar with redundancy strategies (and backups). Including their shortcomings. Speaking of which: Has there been any progress on properly backing up ZFS on FreeBSD yet? 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Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig4DAEEF70CA1A44E265BC4861 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzYVzoACgkQODUnwSLUlKTacgCfXpsbvPBqXlaqp/XwCgAA+CpF 0aoAoJuwyLyehHLEylZ1eycv85Y9G2US =Z59d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4DAEEF70CA1A44E265BC4861-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:32:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60C31065694 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547CA8FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8KWSAd026972; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:28 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8KWSvu026966; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:28 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E84A733C1F; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:32:27 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Fbsd8 Message-ID: <20101108203227.GA3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache13 to apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:32:33 -0000 On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: > > As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer > being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. > > Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the > .css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the > same directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I > got the blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I > checked the apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. > > Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? AFAIK they're not. It sounds like the stylesheet isn't being served up (white background is default). Examine the apache error log. By default it's in /var/log. Also look in the regular apache log and it could be the stylesheet is getting a 404. Is server root the same in httpd.conf for 2.2 as it is for 1.3? Could be the cause of the problem. 2.2 uses a different root by default IIRC. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:38:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F7B1065696 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DF58FC0A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so1230742pxi.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:38:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.227.12 with SMTP id iy12mr5601949qcb.101.1289248735035; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.41.68 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:38:54 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.203.53.39] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:38:54 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Chris Brennan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:38:56 -0000 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: >> >> Sorry to repeat my question: >> >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html >> >> but I got no replies at all. >> >> Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using >> binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical >> recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? >> >> TIA, >> -cpghost. > > I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video card, > works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet..... Ah, thank you. Good to know. Did you try something 3D, or just the usual 2D stuff (e.g. dri/drm etc...)? It's 3D acceleration I'm interested in, particular the new OpenGL APIs -- and with a bit of luck, CUDA and/or OpenCL stuff as well. Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:44:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46D5106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-px0-f182.google.com (mail-px0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AB58FC15 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so1233054pxi.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:44:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.192.76 with SMTP id dp12mr5648056qcb.63.1289249069544; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.41.68 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:44:29 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.203.53.39] In-Reply-To: <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "Svein Skogen \(Listmail account\)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:44:31 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: >> But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are >> to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap >> for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for >> error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less >> net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) > > I'm not sure what you mean by "true forward-error-correction". But if you want > to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you should: Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from those ECC blocks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction http://www.eccpage.com/ -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:49:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B89106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620B8FC1D for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8KnD7U009210; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:13 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8KnDec009204; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:13 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A112733C1F; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:49:12 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20101108204912.GB3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <20101108154818.GD97242@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101108154818.GD97242@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, yoganjaneyulu kasetti Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:49:16 -0000 On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:48:18AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: > > > hi, > > > > I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one can > > guide me for the same. > > > > I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the > > extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different *input > > folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i go > > to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command > > line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a > > time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for > > the same. > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input > > Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking > as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. > > But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? > > cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete > rm -R *.chk > rm -R *.log > rm -R *.gjk > > Or am I missing something. > > ////jerry It could be that the OP has more files than the glob can handle. (With most shells there's a restriction....or used to be). I'm also reluctant to use a glob with rm without the -i. With find(1) you can do a dry run first before giving it the -delete argument. The OP also wants to use -maxdepth 1 with find(1) if he doesn't want to traverse the tree below his target dir. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 20:51:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B084106566C for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97198FC3A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3208278ewy.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.6.201 with SMTP id a9mr4447352eba.18.1289249465565; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:51:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:50:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: "C. P. Ghost" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: [2nd try] OpenGL 3.3 and 4.0/4.1 for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:51:07 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 3:38 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Chris Brennan > wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 7:34 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: > >> > >> Sorry to repeat my question: > >> > >> > >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-November/223379.html > >> > >> but I got no replies at all. > >> > >> Anyone with accelerated 3D on FreeBSD out there using > >> binary drivers and the new OpenGL APIs? Some practical > >> recommendations as to GPUs and drivers? Pointers? Hints? > >> > >> TIA, > >> -cpghost. > > > > I'm using the binary driver (out of ports) for my nVidia chipset video > card, > > works fine so far, but I am not doing anything fancy yet..... > > Ah, thank you. Good to know. Did you try something 3D, or just > the usual 2D stuff (e.g. dri/drm etc...)? It's 3D acceleration I'm > interested in, particular the new OpenGL APIs -- and with a bit > of luck, CUDA and/or OpenCL stuff as well. > > Thanks, > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > For shiggles I set up e17 with bling. Works just fine. my laptop can't really do all that much but this seems to work well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 21:02:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EA9106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:02:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008938FC2D for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.11]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 2A17622 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:02:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD86577.4070107@stillbilde.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:02:47 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8AA1DD145AB650E7A0E7E9D0" Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:02:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8AA1DD145AB650E7A0E7E9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08.11.2010 21:44, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail accou= nt) wrote: >>> But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we ar= e >>> to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap= >>> for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) fo= r >>> error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less= >>> net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?)= >> >> I'm not sure what you mean by "true forward-error-correction". But if = you want >> to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you= should: >=20 > Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. > Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from > those ECC blocks: >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction > http://www.eccpage.com/ Something along those lines was what I had in mind. ;) //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. 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Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig8AA1DD145AB650E7A0E7E9D0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzYZXsACgkQODUnwSLUlKS/WwCfW+AuoMz6hKjpxx2FXwhdbc89 MjQAn3zrR3RamXLXnL5vp28BdhiRnsni =YDRE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8AA1DD145AB650E7A0E7E9D0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 21:13:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D871065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:13:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B5A8FC4D for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oA8LCQVD098759; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oA8LCQFl098758; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:12:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:12:26 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Frank Shute Message-ID: <20101108211225.GB98578@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101108154818.GD97242@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101108204912.GB3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101108204912.GB3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, yoganjaneyulu kasetti Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:13:24 -0000 On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 08:49:12PM +0000, Frank Shute wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 10:48:18AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0530, yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: > > > > > hi, > > > > > > I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one can > > > guide me for the same. > > > > > > I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the > > > extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different *input > > > folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having files. If i go > > > to individual input folder manually i can delete the file with *rm* command > > > line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a > > > time through scripting rather than manual. So please some one help me for > > > the same. > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input > > > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1261202703914*/input > > > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1263357080155*/input > > > > > > /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1289106407303*/input > > > > Your examples given here don't seem to match quite what you are asking > > as far as I see. Maybe I am looking at it wrong. > > > > But, anyway, can't you just the -R switch on the rm? > > > > cd top_of_tree_with_files_to_delete > > rm -R *.chk > > rm -R *.log > > rm -R *.gjk > > > > Or am I missing something. > > > > ////jerry > > It could be that the OP has more files than the glob can handle. (With > most shells there's a restriction....or used to be). > > I'm also reluctant to use a glob with rm without the -i. > > With find(1) you can do a dry run first before giving it the -delete > argument. Well, if that is the problem, find is the answer. It should do everything he wants. ////jerry > > The OP also wants to use -maxdepth 1 with find(1) if he doesn't want to > traverse the tree below his target dir. > > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 21:16:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6367F1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B698FC22 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so5319768bwz.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:16:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ftZNN1Py9T23+nD8JN4pg+nCzsIM5J/l21yXuoxpw/o=; b=Dg48L4DTHQSS0/T0j4fCz4LTOQ6J9fcYQQltLWXZshCPuklFeuDmYdQVGMCd5fJrnE Cflte8KQnWcdpo/37erxJHEFuTHV38zA66dsAUGwpFeieWM9QDK4ow0bOGCRf6+vgslt mSIVG3V/LyNQnLVLNvfZ2JCURIhane443PQR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qV9swmhHLqf9BDiThhSbXlGWQ4WQfQ64BA6Y3+7sr14WWH/bXZASyTmeyNcK1PkKKS w//P2aR8JVe1d8h5gkwu+0cM9ERStmrbhPf8dBxk1aJ+++VQut66JNHas3zSR+ttoEFT 1P3aznqvsx+ZtP6pPpYzpnbbgXvb76r39IeLQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.193 with SMTP id n1mr5548314bkg.3.1289250840095; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:14:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: bluethundr To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pam services under ldap X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:16:35 -0000 Hello List I am attempting to setup various pam modules to consult our new LDAP services in order to do what it needs to do. My LDAP server is FreeBSD but the clients are CentOS... I have setup my /etc/pam.d sudo file on the client (for example) this way in the attempt to accomplish this via LDAP: [root@VIRCENT03:~]#cat /etc/pam.d/sudo #%PAM-1.0 auth include system-auth auth required pam_ldap.so account include system-auth account required pam_ldap.so password include system-auth password required pam_ldap.so session optional pam_keyinit.so revoke session required pam_limits.so session required pam_ldap.so but even tho the user is part of the %wheel group under LDAP it is unable to sudo to any other account (including root). If I try to sudo this is what happens: [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#sudo bash [sudo] password for bluethundr: bluethundr is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. It would appear that sudo support for ldap is compiled in: [root@VIRCENT03:~]#ldd $(which sudo)| grep -i ldap libldap-2.3.so.0 => /usr/lib/libldap-2.3.so.0 (0x00552000) This is how I setup my ldap.conf file [root@VIRCENT03:~]#cat /etc/openldap/ldap.conf # # LDAP Defaults # # See ldap.conf(5) for details # This file should be world readable but not world writable. #BASE dc=example, dc=com #URI ldap://ldap.example.com ldap://ldap-master.example.com:666 #SIZELIMIT 12 #TIMELIMIT 15 #DEREF never URI ldap://ldap.acadaca.net/ BASE dc=acadaca,dc=net TLS_CACERTDIR /etc/openldap/cacerts sudoers_base ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net In my openldap logs on the LDAP server there appears to be no activity when I sudo. however in the secure logs on the client I do.. Nov 8 16:05:34 VIRCENT03 su: pam_unix(su-l:session): session opened for user root by bluethundr(uid=500) Nov 8 16:05:37 VIRCENT03 su: pam_unix(su-l:session): session opened for user bluethundr by bluethundr(uid=0) Nov 8 16:05:44 VIRCENT03 sudo: bluethundr : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/5 ; PWD=/home/bluethundr ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/bash I do see other events in secure.log that appear to be pam successes however. am i interpreting this correctly that at least part of the system is communicating with pam on the ldap server? thanks -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 21:58:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67F4106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F788FC21 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so3286612eyb.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:58:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.15.3 with SMTP id i3mr3360164eba.1.1289253505824; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.1 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.158.61] In-Reply-To: <4CD85736.1000207@stillbilde.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <4CD837C9.6090800@qeng-ho.org> <4CD85736.1000207@stillbilde.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:58:25 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:58:27 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > And I'm ... all too familiar with redundancy strategies (and backups). > Including their shortcomings. Speaking of which: Has there been any > progress on properly backing up ZFS on FreeBSD yet? (including the metadata) I use zetaback on my OpenSolaris systems; I don't know of any reason it wouldn't work on FreeBSD, since it's just using snapshots and zfs send/receive. IMHO it's really only suitable for disaster recovery backups, not archival, though, because zfs send streams are not guaranteed to be compatible between filesystem versions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 22:08:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6711065675 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:08:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118878FC1F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oA8M8NoW041952 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: Subject: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:08:26 -0000 When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by libpciaccess. Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to suggest things have changed. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 22:26:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C5A106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5399A8FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35so302901yxn.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.42.23 with SMTP id u23mr6005213agj.67.1289255169383; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x32sm372286anx.24.2010.11.08.14.26.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB674E54888 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:26:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:26:05 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:26:10 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) doug@safeport.com articulated: > When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and > xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to > my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to > have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by > libpciaccess. > > Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the > on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to > suggest things have changed. Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Every dog has its day, but the nights belong to the pussycats. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 22:35:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9648F106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D78FC13 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8MZVvo003045; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:35:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4DFE2B84D; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:35:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:35:31 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "C. P. Ghost" Message-ID: <20101108223531.GA54089@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: "Svein Skogen \(Listmail account\)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:35:39 -0000 --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail accoun= t) wrote: > >> But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are > >> to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap > >> for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for > >> error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less > >> net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "true forward-error-correction". But if y= ou want > > to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you = should: >=20 > Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. > Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from > those ECC blocks: And how do you detect that a block has gone bad, other than reading back wh= at you wrote and finding a difference? Because that would still be slow. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzYezMACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUyWwCgnybbD+Jm3ZvZch16XpdjS/Xq txcAoJgYykBKLkeehGKpyDP5UB7WcSk6 =OZHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 22:44:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C57106564A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CDC8FC17 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so280393wya.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:44:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9ujJ/verfga+5B0wOYm12M86Yw9vNMN+QDsIzQqKb/M=; b=eh3GlDitKrEvHplFGOhYpnEjrXz+ivhC3n4H7hIMdrCXw99PQMxpjQIE69IoGQUjvh qtYtzHA3p99jWJ7vOBJvHoNz5+Y/c76UMxfABwlk+nMJJQWMgmRGxPQ+ZTg/i8w02mWS zwCzEAtyBd1Ev2Qbagpi0yBz2PVtlGhvmvn4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=TWzexbUAJVcQo+syQxdld1fMKJsC7ltDvCRV0GxRD8VLnB1tFHAWle6sv29/FgbSjZ avdJUP/70sGPV6elSltk1te3HHhZLGoOCtQD7WK8Q2rSyLDaVbRvzGkRMChcEzObb8nH Atot+H4TLzBIQjhpoxk49Ze4G8jNffLDWRveA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.176.20 with SMTP id a20mr6004812wem.14.1289256257349; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:44:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101108223531.GA54089@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: <20101106203016.GB13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106213836.GA77198@slackbox.erewhon.net> <4CD8194D.7080208@qeng-ho.org> <4CD82081.50309@stillbilde.net> <20101108183821.GA48373@slackbox.erewhon.net> <20101108223531.GA54089@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Roland Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Svein Skogen \(Listmail account\)" , "C. P. Ghost" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS License and Future X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:44:19 -0000 On 8 November 2010 22:35, Roland Smith wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 09:44:29PM +0100, C. P. Ghost wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 05:08:33PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail > account) wrote: > > >> But it's still not capable of true forward-error-correction. If we are > > >> to embark upon creating a new solution, using something that is cheap > > >> for "normal cases" but can still be used (albeit more expensively) for > > >> error recovery would (imho) be better. Even if that means we get less > > >> net storage out of the gross pool (it could perhaps be configurable?) > > > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "true forward-error-correction". But if > you want > > > to make _really sure_ that a spinning disk hasn't mangled the data you > should: > > > > Maybe something like Reed-Solomon ECC in different blocks. > > Should a data block go bad, it could be rebuilt on-the-fly from > > those ECC blocks: > > And how do you detect that a block has gone bad, other than reading back > what > you wrote and finding a difference? Because that would still be slow. > > Roland > -y > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) > The read doesnt need to be done at write time, it only needs to be done when the block is read by the system. If an issue is found than the corrective measures are executed. For you important data in my opinion you should always set the copies attribute to 3. This is obviously very costly in terms of storage but its just a trade off for the data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 23:03:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76E5106566B for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattibjork@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0E78FC23 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A888E9CFB for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:44:01 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.94.48] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtU1AP4L2ExT414wPGdsb2JhbACIA5oQDAEBAQE1Lb0bhUgEjXg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,171,1288566000"; d="scan'208";a="149492657" Received: from c-305ee353.649-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mail.birch.se) ([83.227.94.48]) by ipb1.telenor.se with SMTP; 08 Nov 2010 23:44:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 60507 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2010 22:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.209?) (192.168.10.209) by ns.birch.se with SMTP; 8 Nov 2010 22:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4CD87D31.7070903@bredband.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:44:01 +0100 From: "mattibjork@bredband.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4CCAB42E.9050703@shopzeus.com> <4CCADF64.1030908@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4CCADF64.1030908@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Laszlo Nagy Subject: Re: Copy all users between systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:03:09 -0000 Hello Matthew, On 10/29/2010 04:51 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 29/10/2010 12:46, Laszlo Nagy wrote: >> I would like to copy all user accounts, including root from an already >> installed 8.0 system to a fresh new 8.1 system. >> >> My plan is to boot into single user mode, then copy these: >> >> /etc/passwd >> /etc/master.passwd >> /etc/group >> >> then run pwd_mkdb and finally restart the system. (Obviously, I also >> need to copy user home directories) >> >> Will this be enough? Did I miss something? > > That should be sufficient, assuming you aren't using NIS or LDAP or some > other userdb. > > AFAIR there weren't any changes to the standard system accounts between > 8.0 and 8.1, but in general you should also run 'mergemaster -p' to > merge in any such when copying the master.passwd file between different > OS versions. (mergemaster -p does some other stuff besides merging the > system user accounts, but it's all pretty harmless) > > Restarting the system may not actually be necessary, but it's a good > idea if you can spare the down-time. Its never bad to be careful but shouldn't it be enough to change init mode? > Cheers, > > Matthew > //Mattias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 23:03:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2671065674 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattibjork@bredband.net) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE838FC48 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C304EA2CA for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:41:07 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.94.48] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjYwANMK2ExT414wPGdsb2JhbACiEgwBAQEBNS29FIVIBIllhBM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,171,1288566000"; d="scan'208";a="149492128" Received: from c-305ee353.649-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mail.birch.se) ([83.227.94.48]) by ipb1.telenor.se with SMTP; 08 Nov 2010 23:41:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 59942 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2010 22:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.10.209?) (192.168.10.209) by ns.birch.se with SMTP; 8 Nov 2010 22:41:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4CD87C82.3050807@bredband.net> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:41:06 +0100 From: "mattibjork@bredband.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Belk References: <4CC48CE0.4060509@master-zone.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ahmed Ossama , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Administrating more than 10 servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:03:36 -0000 Hello there, On 10/25/2010 04:19 AM, Randy Belk wrote: > This is a must read for multiple UNIX server administration, > http://www.cae.tntech.edu/~mwr/unix_infrastructure_management_from_scratch.pdf > . Just want to thank you for the PDF, very interesting. If you are in town I can buy you a beer or similar :) > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Ahmed Ossama wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Lately I was put in charge to administrate 12 FreeBSD servers, and I was >> wonder what is the best way to administrate/monitor/follow-up/update/patch >> these servers such that all work like a clockwise with each other with the >> exact same updates? >> >> I wrote few scripts that notifies me with system failure and updates, but I >> want to manage the servers more efficiently. >> >> Any advice/guide is much appreciated. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > //Mattias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 8 23:38:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6CD1065670 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788838FC1E for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA8NcDu0079334 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oA8NcD9B079331 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:38:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:38:14 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) > doug@safeport.com articulated: > >> When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and >> xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to >> my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to >> have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by >> libpciaccess. >> >> Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the >> on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to >> suggest things have changed. > > Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable > the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check > anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. I was not aware of the possibility - thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 00:09:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2001065672 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02E38FC3A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so146296wwb.31 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:09:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2v8ALIEynr7KWrUjfHIhE43L8as4w6a7rt08VH7SKD8=; b=UCE3NKt57/kFeXb2EL8wlvPgYnYyqhkjk8sPUOcpx0iBa1s9JfBO17ERhFGG6X63Fr PIO/7YZQVn2+d/rx3/q1fxULFPIlbedoIdsodWqm1XSO/r+iwNH/AO8CIerybcbDrddB BK1VmqQTOiBENVxMeDBcsSYZ3Ch7I1LDvWPfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LaeVQotLRZ1RTGzA6hgXkNZBY3DfWXLztHfj+pPNYcgaO+zFhzoy8MZqKCEZkXKZzC HQ/Kkui9U/L5O30dHe/ogOl85NpP2cEqs1IxdTtS8438WO6CIUuDo6mJf5E0jnsKVqxG L5zRAg9Xeha99OafTOVgnYg1B3oNm4z7XNI4Y= Received: by 10.216.93.8 with SMTP id k8mr6128665wef.38.1289261372125; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x59sm387103weq.38.2010.11.08.16.09.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:09:27 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101109000927.20ae97ba@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD8388C.2010703@intersonic.se> References: <4CD8388C.2010703@intersonic.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Entropy Key for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:09:35 -0000 On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:51:08 +0100 Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > Hi, > > Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key > http://www.entropykey.com/ > for use with FreeBSD? > > As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with > better skills already did? > > FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. FreeBSD doesn't have a linux-style blocking /dev/random, so it couldn't be used in quite the same way as in other OS. Personally I think the key demographic for this is people with more money than sense. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 00:21:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF46F106566C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC6C8FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13so155857wwb.31 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MpFrWu5vCvLrt/ElPANYeVViP6CitMJH8OWns9Ls/QM=; b=Mvi/OHG4zTyP3Jy0qAYiBMKYC436CyWMGzQNgwVS/qU94MzNXqUGulIH6uuioPi7VU 9jqPUfIalwKVYNPSfPif3PVIZDuw95M+w4MKXeaU+A9CzGG0dX9T0uuisL4ZYxHlb4mi qgnHMtVHdlk4H0MCSplH5/XdChXTdbtviWpn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EyeTUzIoZdZDFNqnptfyW6KUvZvq9OvMHdXR9m+WeUlTmE0M/BFoGEKreRWnBmrZl8 /Q1uYEDCOw1IYjonG8oox0pVjEzBPXpO+93c4xBu51lxwkSd+myQntz/06WzLEgL57rl vnZVT7mh1JPptc9AobOpGXbet64gmUBPR2LAs= Received: by 10.227.145.135 with SMTP id d7mr6048997wbv.96.1289262107241; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (bb-87-81-140-128.ukonline.co.uk [87.81.140.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a17sm473857wbe.0.2010.11.08.16.21.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:21:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:21:43 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101109002143.76a55db2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4CD6FC57.5020205@blakemfg.com> <20101107203111.37d72c45.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107145711.1da79e9a@scorpio> <20101108062255.432ca434@scorpio> <20101108143759.271acd17@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: portmaster question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:21:49 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:50:21 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, RW wrote: > > > -aRr isn't implied by -a, the rR options are ignored in the former. > > > > I think it's fairly clear that recursing through installed > > packages with consistent dependecies isn't going to find a package > > that isn't in the set of all installed packages. > > That sentence makes me a little dizzy. I think you mean that since > -a is equivalent to listing all packages on the command line, -r or > -R are redundant. > > So portupgrade \* (i.e., -a) is a superset of > > portupgrade -r libexample > > because all the dependencies of libexample are included in the \* and > so portupgrade will see they need to be updated because a port they > depend on has been updated... Right? yes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 05:58:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14064106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB98A8FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so7184079iwn.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.37.9 with SMTP id v9mr4760757ibd.198.1289282292020; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:58:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.143.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:57:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201011080720.29876.ken@mthelicon.com> References: <201011080720.29876.ken@mthelicon.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: Pegasus Mc Cleaft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:58:13 -0000 On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Pegasus Mc Cleaft wrote= : > On Monday 08 November 2010 06:10:20 yoganjaneyulu kasetti wrote: >> hi, >> >> I have a problem for deleting files using script........please some one = can >> guide me for the same. >> >> I have some files with the extension of ".chk" extension along with the >> extension of ".log" and ".gjf" extension in the folder called different >> *input folders. *I wanted to delete the ".chk" file extension having >> files. If i go to individual input folder manually i can delete the file >> with *rm* command line by but i would like to delete all the ".chk" file= s >> extension files at a time through scripting rather than manual. So pleas= e >> some one help me for the same. >> /student/sweety/gaussiandata/*1249624064640*/input >> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Could you, in your script do something like: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cd /Path_to_Data_Root > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0find . -name "*.chk" -print -prune -exec rm -r= f {} \; If you really want to "delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a tim= e" find path -name '*.chk' -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} + \; --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 06:11:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D936B106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7F78FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.134] (helo=smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFhQG-0005O0-MA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:11:12 +0100 Received: from 54193b12.cm-5-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.25.59.18] helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp3.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PFhQF-0007XS-OT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:11:11 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (xp.egypt.nl [192.168.13.35]) by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA42A39921 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:11:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD8E5FE.8090201@boosten.org> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:11:10 +0100 From: Peter Boosten User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011080720.29876.ken@mthelicon.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1PFhQF-0007XS-OT X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-2.1, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -2.60, CM_META_TB_NOARR 0.50, SPF_PASS -0.00) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: peter@boosten.org X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: removing files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 06:11:14 -0000 On 9-11-2010 6:57, Eitan Adler wrote: > If you really want to "delete all the ".chk" files extension files at a time" > find path -name '*.chk' -print -prune -exec rm -rf {} + \; And more efficient: find path -name '*.chk' -delete Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 06:25:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9730F106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:25:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7588FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA96PCUf044126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:25:12 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oA96PCUf044126 DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/11/2010 22:44, mattibjork@bredband.net wrote: > Its never bad to be careful but shouldn't it be enough to change init m= ode? This isn't SysV. BSD init doesn't really do modes. However, yes, taking the system down to single user and then back up to multiuser is a possibility. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig22AE27023A63528A91C4F2B6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzY6UYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIz3TgCdF42Z/CDszupBTcpDzo+FUmed U+AAnRXrAlXGw9AT6UeKVipuLmOWZxNB =JxNB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig22AE27023A63528A91C4F2B6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 07:31:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655EF106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2662F8FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:31:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4CD8F8DE.40000@intersonic.se> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:31:42 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <4CD8388C.2010703@intersonic.se> <20101109000927.20ae97ba@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20101109000927.20ae97ba@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Entropy Key for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:31:46 -0000 On 11/09/10 01:09, RW wrote: > On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:51:08 +0100 > Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Did anyone in the community try to adopt the Entropy Key >> http://www.entropykey.com/ >> for use with FreeBSD? >> >> As a non-programmer I would not even try but perhaps someone with >> better skills already did? >> >> FWIW MirBSD seems to have a port of the keyd. > > FreeBSD doesn't have a linux-style blocking /dev/random, so it couldn't > be used in quite the same way as in other OS. > > Personally I think the key demographic for this is people with more > money than sense. Could you please elaborate a bit over this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 09:46:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC1B106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.ramblewski@atosorigin.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.atosorigin.com (smtp1.mail.atosorigin.com [160.92.103.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94888FC19 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from filter.atosorigin.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxfed001 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211620004A7 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:18:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.awl.fr.atosorigin.com (serv-smtp-wse01.fr.atosworldline.com [160.92.103.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.awl.fr.atosorigin.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mxfed001 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596312000487 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:18:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from frspx301.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net (10.24.253.189) by frspx401.priv.atos.fr (10.24.220.7) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.234.1; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:17:41 +0100 Received: from FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net ([10.24.253.183]) by frspx301.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net ([10.24.253.189]) with mapi; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:18:37 +0100 From: Ramblewski David To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:18:35 +0100 Thread-Topic: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall Thread-Index: Act/7xXpTL4cL4tLT9WI/kOWARD+Cg== Message-ID: <7EF5DBE4C76A7B4DA655334E9F2BFD26F3C451921B@FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:46:20 -0000 Hi, I'm looking for a solution to jumpstart FreeBSD on an non interactive way. The solution provided by the Handbook recommend to use sysinstall program, = that's what I'm trying to do. The servers are using PXE boot to mount an mfsbsd filesystem, everything wo= rks as expected until now. I manually create the slice, labels and mount the partitions on "/mnt" part= ition. Then I manually launch "sysinstall loadConfig" to install packages classes= but I didn't find the way to precise an "Install Root" for /mnt whereas it= works if I did it on a interactive way using the options menu. Does anyone know how to solve this issue? Here is my install.cfg file: ------------------ # Turn on extra debugging. debug=3DYES # Ok, this ought to turn off ALL prompting, don't complain to me that you # lost a machine because you netbooted it on the same subnet as this # box nonInteractive=3DYES noWarn=3DYES tryDHCP=3DYES # My host specific data hostname=3Dpolbsd domainname=3Dpriv.atos.fr ################################ # Which installation device to use nfs=3D10.28.222.1:/opt/local/jumpstart/tftpboot/BSD/NFS netDev=3Dbge0 mediaSetNFS ################################ ################################ # Select which distributions we want. dists=3D base SMP manpages ports distSetCustom ################################ # OK, everything is set. Do it! installCommit shutdown ------------------ Thanks, David ________________________________ Ce message et les pi?ces jointes sont confidentiels et r?serv?s ? l'usage e= xclusif de ses destinataires. Il peut ?galement ?tre prot?g? par le secret = professionnel. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 10:26:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD59106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:26:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jean.rey@free.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp02.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F418FC0A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from new-host-2.home ([90.5.45.156]) by mwinf5d03 with ME id UxwL1f00G3NAYGS03xwLqJ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:56:21 +0100 From: Jean REY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:56:19 +0100 Message-Id: <60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Subject: freebsd 8.1 iso 386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:26:25 -0000 Bonjour, Je voudrais charger la version 8.1 mais une boite de dialogue me demande = un nom d'utilisateur et mot de passe. Faut'il s'inscrire au pr=E9alable? Merci de me renseigner. nb: j'ai achet=E9 r=E9cemment le dvd PC-BSD 8.0 , je peux certes charger = freebsd 8.0 lors de l'installation.Mais =E0 d=E9ployer des efforts = autant le faire avec la 8.1. Bien =E0 vous, Jean REY 81100 Castres= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 10:37:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C8F1065670 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E0F8FC2B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA9Aaq75046117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:36:58 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oA9Aaq75046117 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1289299018; bh=162Z6N0BpNdGBfhC+2X5pllRoiObAduG4ABF6WTgGSY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CD9243C.7050402@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T ue,=2009=20Nov=202010=2010:36:44=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Thunderbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Jean=20REY=20|CC:=20freebsd-questions@f reebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20freebsd=208.1=20iso=20386|References:= 20<60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr>|In-Reply-To:=20<6 0C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr>|X-Enigmail-Version:=2 01.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B= 0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary =3D"------------enig2E3943EF0522D7460F508794"; b=TCrFcoUhLbXq3FRqChGw6xVMSMRhkXSbKuwakQHgo7dBBhKvkDHyUW6w7R1kEHPuj aToSVQsAH6UcDDbiefqUD2W9pqoHgCCuWJn220IvXHn4rDi0Q8w6T/DxN6HpwK2AL0 g1f/tHYomvIVXZMolbCJE3uq5XmHfyjqRDZ0nmqU= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4CD9243C.7050402@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:36:44 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean REY References: <60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr> In-Reply-To: <60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2E3943EF0522D7460F508794" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 8.1 iso 386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:37:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2E3943EF0522D7460F508794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/11/2010 09:56, Jean REY wrote: > Je voudrais charger la version 8.1 mais une boite de dialogue me demand= e un nom d'utilisateur et mot de passe. Faut'il s'inscrire au pr=E9alable= ? > Merci de me renseigner. > nb: j'ai achet=E9 r=E9cemment le dvd PC-BSD 8.0 , je peux certes charge= r freebsd 8.0 lors de l'installation.Mais =E0 d=E9ployer des efforts auta= nt le faire avec la 8.1. There's no need to register in advance or anything like that. To install FreeBSD 8.1, start with one of the disk images from: http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-amd64/8.1/ (assuming you have a 64bit machine: s/amd64/i386/ if not) That should let you install without prompting you for any passwords until you start setting up the user accounts on your new system. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig2E3943EF0522D7460F508794 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzZJEEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwxiQCgkQ1phqQr1PuouyU6S5lWUPNp 2roAn0rWwBnL3mU7JZ/FM3JfXaJ6yYNh =olvl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2E3943EF0522D7460F508794-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 10:38:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C621F10656A5 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from faust64@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7331A8FC29 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so1244110vws.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:37:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=V1xg4fznpl6OkzWk7PiHso5jzXTqmG/tkuMiF7OG83k=; b=EkmOtDTc3iVwfDD1huOt8WmShmgaZ6PlKmPvI65RgFAYKJkByq5Tq/Vl5NoVpIQyd8 ck+dZkdHZ+/IFNuZfc+vvQP/k+l6EVE8qgt67j3FYwXXO6PxvTfK4FegLxc6Was3nZZq Y6N7KJu94dVrRjRbuXLgtlBlbd7b0roUuRbRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=SaVb1dfmJ4FoQtl7IRvWpGj5LBje10gcs61vQmYZNoD2c4H8ZdH0KVebrbWDO0XuCW sMCc77B8Zl9UCPPw8RnD9C04Zi/qofi/MuLbtqZiCLKFGSKFBJXV2r0A+S3M816dreoM 4u9cQDLBMfBviXr10nJI59eldOCdBqWBphLCc= Received: by 10.224.196.138 with SMTP id eg10mr4726431qab.80.1289299079624; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:37:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.188.68 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 02:37:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr> References: <60C1773B-11E2-490B-8A7A-EFEC01957B22@free.fr> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: To: Jean REY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 8.1 iso 386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:38:00 -0000 2010/11/9 Jean REY > Bonjour, > > Je voudrais charger la version 8.1 mais une boite de dialogue me demande = un > nom d'utilisateur et mot de passe. Faut'il s'inscrire au pr=E9alable? > Merci de me renseigner. > nb: j'ai achet=E9 r=E9cemment le dvd PC-BSD 8.0 , je peux certes charger > freebsd 8.0 lors de l'installation.Mais =E0 d=E9ployer des efforts autant= le > faire avec la 8.1. > > Bien =E0 vous, > > Jean REY 81100 Castres_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Bonjour, J'imagine que vous parlez du ftp ? Identifiez-vous avec l'utilisateur "anonymous", en renseignant n'importe quel mot de passe. Par ailleurs, les conversations sur cette liste se font normalement en anglais. Cordialement, --=20 Samuel Mart=EDn Moro {EPITECH.} tek5 CamTrace S.A.S (+033) 1 41 38 37 60 1 All=E9e de la Venelle 92150 Suresnes FRANCE "Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ..." Xorg.conf(5) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 11:21:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73FF1065679 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566378FC0A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so8303wya.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:21:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=ZliKjh4FuNMVhYRm0wdEw8q8yd1ogMbTQ53IFd3sY8Y=; b=vEPE4mcOvu5ciFQDAybsYKJX69n0F+DlYoRjw946BEjhcGa5OkG+quytoGdaDLtuC/ 3vC0AAzsPdkf2+cPy4lRCidrICePwZAv7vkg1E2HmgUtjJIe2DrunUGDy5bn9VGDPdTs e1krpeTdajPw3A5ZQnodioJtlVRAxewZg+R6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=RgNMDujgdss30SBmwj4UPr/FeWMG7GISiTVRPlsSYTmx/zaZp9jA0YmKLN961Uiw/6 RuRh2DlOsjY72n1nQpJ6FVL715qbZLz62kP/d9t0CHxAS9ftL7OdlLJqVHSxgQ+fRD8T p8ZMZ8fcy73s8jCsWZ+XA7z+R7CJjPC146vrs= Received: by 10.216.37.4 with SMTP id x4mr717133wea.1.1289300222070; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-25-89.dsl.mweb.co.za [41.132.25.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8sm749923wei.45.2010.11.09.02.56.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:57:00 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:56:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/9.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.5.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2252254.sIIy87fQHX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Subject: Per core frequency control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:21:43 -0000 --nextPart2252254.sIIy87fQHX Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I was reading through cpufreq(4) and in the bugs section it mentions that p= er=20 core (or CPU) frequency control is not supported. That all cores/CPUs have= to=20 be at the same speed. =20 What is the reason for that? =20 Is it an infrastructure problem with FreeBSD or has it just not been=20 implemented? =20 And how will the recent work on event timers (and a "tickless" kernel) impa= ct=20 on this problem?=20 Regards, David --nextPart2252254.sIIy87fQHX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkzZKPMACgkQUaaFgP9pFrKAgwCdHJuFWvkOayMJpuu5GYTiZGpj k0YAn1gKPLX5jNS/n2xt7qYtqoX6Psve =xWtz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2252254.sIIy87fQHX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 11:54:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AE1106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (dns1.vizion2000.net [62.49.197.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB548FC15 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AA49334D461; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:54:24 +0000 (GMT) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice & Vision To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:54:24 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/7.2-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.5.3; amd64; ; ) X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011091154.24537.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: text wrapping console type size etc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:54:27 -0000 Hi How can one control output to the console. Using a console window on an X windows system with kde4 I find the output limited to a line of 179 chars which can be really inconvenient. Even when, for example: # ps -aux >myfile any chars beyond an apparent column limit of 179 are dropped and not transferred to the file. How is the chars per line limit altered? How does one enable console windows to wrap lines? How does one increase decrease type size for consoles? Thanks in advance david Photographic Artist Permanent Installations & Design Creative Imagery and Advanced Digital Techniques High Dynamic Range Photography & Official Portraiture Combined darkroom & digital creations & Systems Adminstrator for the vizion2000.net network From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 12:42:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11381065670 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@solensky.org) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941FF8FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UzJW1f0060ldTLk5D0VV2v; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:29:29 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.9] ([98.216.239.10]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id V0VV1f0040E9Vde3Q0VVBb; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:29:29 +0000 References: <201011091154.24537.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <201011091154.24537.david@vizion2000.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8B117) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117) From: Frank Solensky Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 07:29:20 -0500 To: David Southwell Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: text wrapping console type size etc X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:42:44 -0000 While most commands will give full output, ps, by default, truncates output t= o the display window's width. Adding "-ww" to the options gives the entire l= ine without truncation. On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:54 AM, David Southwell wrote: > Hi >=20 > How can one control output to the console. Using a console window on an X=20= > windows system with kde4 I find the output limited to a line of 179 chars=20= > which can be really inconvenient. Even when, for example: >=20 > # ps -aux >myfile > any chars beyond an apparent column limit of 179 are dropped and not=20 > transferred to the file. >=20 > How is the chars per line limit altered? > How does one enable console windows to wrap lines?=20 > How does one increase decrease type size for consoles? >=20 > Thanks in advance > david >=20 >=20 >=20 > Photographic Artist > Permanent Installations & Design > Creative Imagery and Advanced Digital Techniques > High Dynamic Range Photography & Official Portraiture > Combined darkroom & digital creations > & Systems Adminstrator for the vizion2000.net network > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 13:17:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC52106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0608FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 63ABC22 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:17:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD949D7.6030003@stillbilde.net> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:17:11 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5CFB1A3B10D5E31420103943" Subject: Re: Per core frequency control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:17:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5CFB1A3B10D5E31420103943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09.11.2010 11:56, David Naylor wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I was reading through cpufreq(4) and in the bugs section it mentions th= at per=20 > core (or CPU) frequency control is not supported. That all cores/CPUs = have to=20 > be at the same speed. =20 >=20 > What is the reason for that? =20 >=20 > Is it an infrastructure problem with FreeBSD or has it just not been=20 > implemented? =20 >=20 > And how will the recent work on event timers (and a "tickless" kernel) = impact=20 > on this problem?=20 You did read the "symmetric" part of "symmetric multi processor" didn't y= ou? It's a limitation of the technology. One clock. //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig5CFB1A3B10D5E31420103943 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzZSdsACgkQODUnwSLUlKQygQCfYysmjfV25f+xQ0hxUssaeUS2 jsMAnitqb75CHoo+b2XYDBS3XVx5354c =Tv7A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig5CFB1A3B10D5E31420103943-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 13:30:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CA41065673; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amsibamsi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2FB8FC19; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywg4 with SMTP id 4so705636ywg.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:30:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ylKV8schJfjqfsWRnjfz1elGAHPQiDHmQsfbEk9kw8w=; b=cOiUPQMsyHJx3xx5DZyGaT2Li4TKWsPT6n9a7wIKp+BKJVIwUuGmrDBx781ktJK9Eb jWDHXJjyPGVYtaZU+kOVD80VPw/r2enG1xm46q++qkERaT3eeaBkdVr/CIfsQNPWhPHp PlAjlg6F+SzdRaLkiPWfccu9D7gV31ln0aBCQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=wGxbov+poZkYt0Fje31KsSFaFdW86W3v2jGK+iDlOjSkxpDwol1TFq8RzolrjzLu4Q 6EOPey7Kphhlj6gTfLae7jHzFb5AkGdfIq9OZ06Wjb2JyeIbTcqxdqMy7tBqSq8k1oDC +kfvyBEF98019GUQBgI0fum5NecLpCG+ybWhM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.240.78 with SMTP id kz14mr6241511qcb.230.1289309438353; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.55.149 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 05:30:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201010132328.19194.hselasky@c2i.net> References: <201010132328.19194.hselasky@c2i.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:30:38 +0100 Message-ID: From: Anselm Strauss To: Hans Petter Selasky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB disk on CS5536 unstable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:30:40 -0000 I opened a PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=152075 On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2010 23:22:59 Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > Can you add this device to the quirk entries in: > > > > sys/dev/usb/controller/ehci.c > > ehci_pci.c actually. > > --HPS > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 13:48:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D951065670 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D498FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A407D.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.64.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oA9DmBRM006762; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:48:12 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA9DmFs3008631; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oA9DlxfW025058; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201011091348.oA9DlxfW025058@fire.js.berklix.net> To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:37:18 +0100." Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 14:47:59 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Jean REY , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 8.1 iso 386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:48:16 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:37:18 +0100 > Message-id: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Mart=EDn_Moro?= wrote: > 2010/11/9 Jean REY > > > Bonjour, > > > > Je voudrais charger la version 8.1 mais une boite de dialogue me demande un > > nom d'utilisateur et mot de passe. Faut'il s'inscrire au pralable? > > Merci de me renseigner. > > nb: j'ai achet rcemment le dvd PC-BSD 8.0 , je peux certes charger > > freebsd 8.0 lors de l'installation.Mais dployer des efforts autant le > > faire avec la 8.1. > > > > Bien vous, > > > > Jean REY 81100 Castres_______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Bonjour, > > J'imagine que vous parlez du ftp ? > Identifiez-vous avec l'utilisateur "anonymous", en renseignant n'importe > quel mot de passe. > Par ailleurs, les conversations sur cette liste se font normalement en > anglais. > > > Cordialement, > > -- > Samuel Martn Moro For the many on this list who don't read French: "Par ailleurs ..." etc, means, (amplified): Write _English_ here ! Jean Rey, if you can not write English, please: Read but don't write @freebsd.org lists, Or use a free translation engine **, & append output, Or find a French list. SVP Lesez, mais n'ecrivez pas en Francais a @freebsd.org Ou, trouvez &affichez une traduit automatique & libre ** Ou, trouvez & ecrivez une liste Francaise. http://www.fr.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ http://www.google.fr/search?hl=de&source=hp&q=translator+engines&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= ** http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not HTML, quoted-printable & base 64 spam formats. Avoid top posting, it cripples itemised cumulative responses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:04:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2F106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from REMORSE@PARTNERS.ORG) Received: from phsmgmx13.partners.org (phsmgmx13.partners.org [155.52.251.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC108FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:04:37 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApcFAM8N2UyEt4ImgWdsb2JhbACUIo4CFQEBFiIivy2FSgSEWYkP Received: from phsxcon5.partners.org ([132.183.130.38]) by Phsmgmx13-out.partners.org with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2010 12:04:37 -0500 Received: from buxtehude.mgh.harvard.edu ([132.183.156.105]) by PHSXCON5.partners.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:04:56 -0500 From: Richard Morse Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:04:36 -0500 Message-Id: <2C02FC79-4E03-4851-9AE3-564F8809041F@PARTNERS.ORG> To: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2010 17:04:56.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BF9C000:01CB8030] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: CPU testing software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:04:38 -0000 Hi! I've been having problems with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE crashing. This morni= ng, it had hung -- it wasn't responding to any input, but there was no erro= r message on screen. I ran MemTest86+ (which worked; MemTest86 doesn't for = some reason), and it found no errors in two passes (one without ECC, one wi= th). I was wondering if there is software that will test the CPUs in a simi= lar manner? Thanks, Ricky The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-ma= il contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLi= ne at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:12:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDB21065672; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89678FC1A; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [208.206.78.30] (port=39174 helo=dt.vicor.com) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PFrkU-0003hN-NT; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:12:49 -0800 From: Devin Teske To: Ramblewski David In-Reply-To: <7EF5DBE4C76A7B4DA655334E9F2BFD26F3C451921B@FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net> References: <7EF5DBE4C76A7B4DA655334E9F2BFD26F3C451921B@FRSPX100.fr01.awl.atosorigin.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Vicor, Inc Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:12:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1289322766.4270.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-41.el4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: addf82e302fb7b54175bfd27340b229c X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Specifying "Install Root" on non interactive sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:12:50 -0000 On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 10:18 +0100, Ramblewski David wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a solution to jumpstart FreeBSD on an non interactive way. > The solution provided by the Handbook recommend to use sysinstall program, that's what I'm trying to do. -sysinstall@ would have been a better choice for this question. Cross-posting my reply. > The servers are using PXE boot to mount an mfsbsd filesystem, everything works as expected until now. > I manually create the slice, labels and mount the partitions on "/mnt" partition. You might just want to try adding "diskInteractive=YES" to your install.cfg file. That way, you don't have to manually partition/slice/label your disk _before_ you load the config. By setting diskInteractive, when installCommit is called, it will: a. if `disk' is not set (e.g. disk=da0) throw up a menu to select which disk you want to partition b. throw you into the FDISK partition editor c. throw you into diskabel e. ask which boot code you want to install (if any) to the MBR Just a suggestion. > Then I manually launch "sysinstall loadConfig" to install packages classes but I didn't find the way to precise an "Install Root" for /mnt whereas it works if I did it on a interactive way using the options menu. Put this into your install.cfg: # Required by distExtractAll (called indirectly by installCommit): installRoot=/mnt > Does anyone know how to solve this issue? > > Here is my install.cfg file: > ------------------ > # Turn on extra debugging. > debug=YES > > # Ok, this ought to turn off ALL prompting, don't complain to me that you > # lost a machine because you netbooted it on the same subnet as this > # box > nonInteractive=YES > noWarn=YES > tryDHCP=YES > > # My host specific data > hostname=polbsd > domainname=priv.atos.fr > > ################################ > # Which installation device to use > nfs=10.28.222.1:/opt/local/jumpstart/tftpboot/BSD/NFS > netDev=bge0 > mediaSetNFS > ################################ > > ################################ > # Select which distributions we want. > dists= base SMP manpages ports Hmmm. Must be an older release. The SMP kernel has gone missing in FreeBSD-8.x. > distSetCustom > ################################ > > # OK, everything is set. Do it! > installCommit > > shutdown > ------------------ > > > Thanks, > > David -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. -> FUN STUFF <- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.1 GAT/CS d(+) s: a- C++(++++) UB++++$ P++(++++) L++(++++) !E--- W++ N? o? K- w O M+ V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t(+) 5? X+(++) R>++ tv(+) b+(++) DI+(++) D(+) G+>++ e>+ h r>++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.geekcode.com/ -> END TRANSMISSION <- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 17:54:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE2B106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB508FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3833786ewy.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:54:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.22.82 with SMTP id m18mr756495ebb.1.1289325246147; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 09:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.1 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:54:05 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <4CD949D7.6030003@stillbilde.net> References: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <4CD949D7.6030003@stillbilde.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:54:05 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Per core frequency control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:54:07 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > You did read the "symmetric" part of "symmetric multi processor" didn't you? > > It's a limitation of the technology. One clock. I don't think that's quite true. The newer Intel server chipsets have the ability to throttle back idle cores and boost the speed of active ones, to improve performance on single-threaded workloads. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 18:20:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572A106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:20:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894838FC16 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3so213433ywj.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.1.17 with SMTP id 17mr18259wec.99.1289326852537; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:20:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.154.8 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:20:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2C02FC79-4E03-4851-9AE3-564F8809041F@PARTNERS.ORG> References: <2C02FC79-4E03-4851-9AE3-564F8809041F@PARTNERS.ORG> From: Chris Brennan Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:20:32 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Richard Morse Subject: Re: CPU testing software? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:20:54 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Richard Morse wrote: > Hi! I've been having problems with FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE crashing. This > morning, it had hung -- it wasn't responding to any input, but there was no > error message on screen. I ran MemTest86+ (which worked; MemTest86 doesn't > for some reason), and it found no errors in two passes (one without ECC, one > with). I was wondering if there is software that will test the CPUs in a > similar manner? > > Thanks, > Ricky > > > The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it > is > addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the > e-mail > contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance > HelpLine at > http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in > error > but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and > properly > dispose of the e-mail. > > In my experiences, FreeBSD is very /var dependent and I've had machines lock up and even refuse to reboot because either a) /var was unwritable for some reason or b) /var was just plain full. For my, I've made it a habit of looking at /var/spool/mqueue, for the longest time I couldn't get sSMTP to work properly w/ my mail server and that location would chew up all my free space and cause similar problems. Also what you could do is make sure your fBSD box has a Head and leave it idle (no blanking) on the root-console (ttyv0) and look and see. This was how I discovered my space issues. Ultimatly, more information is require, spec your machine for us to start. Can you include what the machines function/role is? Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:13:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCEA106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from omerfsen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4B8FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj16 with SMTP id 16so4756918gwj.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BW+Rr42hzNw9sW7K3023XeJvr9Rl4PqTUq5tneyxVjI=; b=NKKp6lropIPU5jZeo2Cd7ftL4jCNh0tKIARZ8++jowpB62umrXGDuOuZtMCdgL9TMm ol+jNi54oTjNjVFnIBZEbwfFFNZoePlVaQrXZcC/83fUvK57QibUw4LYaW9kn8b9PSKj 3J3fOVH1osx9OjfN5QEnZO0DS0u1XoqJgqdDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EMmSGZPBpyTQf883iW6Q7Mo4PT+3EC6vVH6fk3Qqmluai4QmMztCZqrvZ9edvBYGUa 4kpwJWc+1IeY4FPP6KSeKfwdVC9visf1KEO0aOyf4BkM3ucrI+xxDG/UFEqkoV8uoWtJ O0q/eHbwp/02sJOypFGAtIM6QjmCSB30qPmgc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.217.6 with SMTP id p6mr6754392ybg.63.1289330033008; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.226.6 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:13:52 +0200 Message-ID: From: Omer Faruk SEN To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: zfs snmpd disk status X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:13:54 -0000 Hi, I have a system like: /dev/da0s1a 48G 2.2G 42G 5% / devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev /dev/da0s1d 72G 940M 66G 1% /usr opt 547G 14G 534G 2% /opt /opt is a zfs partition snmpd.conf : disk / 10000 disk /opt 10000 Above configuration doesn't work (I only see / partition) snmpwalking UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTable is as follows: UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskIndex.1 = INTEGER: 1 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskPath.1 = STRING: / UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskDevice.1 = STRING: /dev/da0s1a UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskMinimum.1 = INTEGER: 10000 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskMinPercent.1 = INTEGER: -1 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTotal.1 = INTEGER: 50777032 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskAvail.1 = INTEGER: 44430528 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskUsed.1 = INTEGER: 2284346 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskPercent.1 = INTEGER: 5 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskPercentNode.1 = INTEGER: 0 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTotalLow.1 = Gauge32: 50777032 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTotalHigh.1 = Gauge32: 0 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskAvailLow.1 = Gauge32: 44430528 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskAvailHigh.1 = Gauge32: 0 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskUsedLow.1 = Gauge32: 2284346 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskUsedHigh.1 = Gauge32: 0 UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskErrorFlag.1 = INTEGER: noError(0) UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskErrorMsg.1 = STRING: Is there anyone in this list achived to get disk usage of a zfs pool? Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:24:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED1A106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:24:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C058FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3920622ewy.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:24:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gHnQrHkKZGESY6qRZlSZdedVBTMGsj/qysc0a1GBYQA=; b=Y803KlJmRn3ZlCCG1nLR7hvC8L2v+qid/b475bl5usvvgcj5OuUf/NaWtGA3jSDXVM wonkfnsC8cPpYY3cW5PJnIJWkoCk6FTzrNwCBlLtxhio5/zqf0DyDL9G38ONTIXqQnun Ik1GvseS20GcuDHPFAOOWhFd7AllFHAaVwBBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=nM5St/0NQgC0M8QcLgogPBEpHCvpRMmy0SkC1D9dEvI1KorWIqwAvd2A8X3Nd0Z8fB r68r6lEM+qwOZjfEfHUwujXLujEmetgjGjXDNQsXkys2Rx/nzcUR2f6X1dNKl773g97M HqwgQbp94TfwYByDIq42J+b05sHjk2E0qsvyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.140.37 with SMTP id d37mr74095wej.31.1289328915474; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 10:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:55:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:55:15 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:24:21 -0000 Hello all, I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault tolerant with this 3 connections. I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper direction. Someone can point me to the rigth one? Thank you very much. Leonardo Santagostini From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:31:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB7C106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dak.col@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8F58FC1A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so4792979gxk.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=SNE3hVRZK0pctAH4Rec+gcR+mGzRMtJYjxk0u4LkvEw=; b=tuqeK4hNH6wnks7fgLOume9Gn/IvkluPdJxdoYOSd/IiYgyGV2oeuCo5+jLxpIcDU9 eLIycouPlXMYwrCvazDirjHv93r47hs7xKtr4IueJ3OL+5T5i1XMd5u5a3O5f4lb2QuB N+gtXHLHt529EfGPtJACB1cDhyKfUtGSN+u5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=LChio80tmyGFWKyd6k/1jDDyzsoIzATzQxPS06KvrIXQwo/m0oGhsLWw38yOEdwtx+ bbbVjDxyk9tQ060a9YgYo/khbeGpZLXWG+HufRrGOuwhrdAGuKg+ZcQ16e72EGeh2kZN bdBpiDyn4nRV9QzBjLU4pQfx8V0U3b46pqQYY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.74 with SMTP id l10mr6926416bkq.113.1289331107822; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.127.149 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:31:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Diego Arias To: Leonardo Santagostini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:31:50 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo Santagostini < lsantagostini@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. > > All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault tolerant > with this 3 connections. > > I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper > direction. > > Someone can point me to the rigth one? > > Thank you very much. > Leonardo Santagostini > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think lagg will not do the job, you have to set up PF(packet Filter) to do some kind of Round-Robin. -- Still Going Strong!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:34:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB38106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC6F8FC0A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PFtxx-0002EL-0I>; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:49 +0100 Received: from e178024133.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.24.133] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PFtxw-0007J0-RR>; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:48 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.24.133 Cc: Subject: USGS ISIS 3.2.1: build failure on FBSD 8.1/9.0 due to oudated xerxec-c2 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:34:50 -0000 Hello. Tried to build the newest ISIS 3.2.1 software package for planetary survey science, but fail. I always get the following error which seems to be triggered due to an ambiguous overload of a function, but I do not know how to fix the problem since everything seems clen to me. The USGS ISIS package uses prebuild libraries, but only for two Linux distributions and OSX, libxerces is version 3.1 as far as I can see, but FreeBSD port textproc/xerces-c2 is stuck with 2.7. So far, ISIS 3.2.0 could be build on FreeBSD 8 and 9 with minor problems but working. Is anybody out here also utilising FreeBSD for scientific purposes and alsi using ISIS3 3.2.1? Can anybody help or give a hint? Thanks in advance, Oliver Building object [IsisAml] (20:22:34) In file included from /usr/local/include/xercesc/framework/psvi/XSModel.hpp:29, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/framework/XMLGrammarPool.hpp:27, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/common/GrammarResolver.hpp:24, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/internal/XMLScanner.hpp:36, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/internal/VecAttributesImpl.hpp:28, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/parsers/SAX2XMLReaderImpl.hpp:27, from /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/XMLReaderFactory.hpp:24, from IsisAml.cpp:27: /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/schema/SchemaElementDecl.hpp: In member function 'virtual bool xercesc_2_7::SchemaElementDecl::isGlobalDecl() const': /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/schema/SchemaElementDecl.hpp:508: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions IsisXMLApplication.cpp: In member function 'virtual void IsisXMLApplication::startElement(const XMLCh*, const XMLCh*, const XMLCh*, const xercesc_2_7::Attributes&)': IsisXMLApplication.cpp:99: error: call of overloaded 'getValue(XMLSize_t)' is ambiguous /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/Attributes.hpp:195: note: candidates are: virtual const XMLCh* xercesc_2_7::Attributes::getValue(unsigned int) const /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/Attributes.hpp:270: note: virtual const XMLCh* xercesc_2_7::Attributes::getValue(const XMLCh*) const gmake[5]: *** [IsisXMLApplication.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: *** [object] Error 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:52:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF091065673 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240678FC1C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:52:06 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 64bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBM00F5OV6SIC00@asmtp025.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:52:05 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1011090121 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-09_12:2010-11-09, 2010-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:52:04 -0800 Message-id: References: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <4CD949D7.6030003@stillbilde.net> To: David Brodbeck X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Per core frequency control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:52:06 -0000 On Nov 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) > wrote: >> You did read the "symmetric" part of "symmetric multi processor" didn't you? >> >> It's a limitation of the technology. One clock. > > I don't think that's quite true. The newer Intel server chipsets have > the ability to throttle back idle cores and boost the speed of active > ones, to improve performance on single-threaded workloads. You're talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Boost In point of fact, what this is doing is that the CPU is adjusting it's own multipliers of Bclk (normally 133.33 MHz, although 160MHz can also used if XMP profile timing is active) if it can halt or put to sleep some of the cores into C1/C1E/C3 states. There still is only one base clock frequency being provided to all of the cores, and the ones which are still awake will still all be running at the same speed. [1] Regards, -- -Chuck [1] Modulo extreme thermal conditions involving TM1 but not TM2; TM1 thresholds are per-CPU. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:53:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAA8106566C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvidican@m2.vidican.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4148FC1B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3947855ewy.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.235.41 with SMTP id t41mr127781weq.55.1289332424239; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) Sender: nvidican@m2.vidican.com Received: by 10.216.234.217 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [136.1.1.105] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:53:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9yJwvNv07k3MgJpFBNXu0Bj-iw0 Message-ID: From: Nathan Vidican To: Leonardo Santagostini Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:53:46 -0000 Might I suggest you look into MultiLink PPP, or MLPPP - standard FreeBSD ppp does support it. It allows for round-robin, or packet-splitting accross multiple PPP connections to pool bandwidth. I am currently using MLPPP on FreeBSD 8 with multiple DSL connections to the internet and thus far it works great. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo Santagostini < lsantagostini@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. > > All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault tolerant > with this 3 connections. > > I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper > direction. > > Someone can point me to the rigth one? > > Thank you very much. > Leonardo Santagostini > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Nathan Vidican nathan@vidican.com (519) 962-9987 (Canada) (313) 586-1982 (USA) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:55:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1D0106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88238FC1C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA9Jtap2079067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:55:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oA9JtaXF032318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:55:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oA9JtZxg032317; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:55:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:55:35 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Omer Faruk SEN Message-ID: <20101109195535.GA46822@dan.emsphone.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:55:37 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: zfs snmpd disk status X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:55:41 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 09), Omer Faruk SEN said: > I have a system like: > > /dev/da0s1a 48G 2.2G 42G 5% / > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > /dev/da0s1d 72G 940M 66G 1% /usr > opt 547G 14G 534G 2% /opt > > /opt is a zfs partition > > snmpd.conf : > > disk / 10000 > disk /opt 10000 > > Above configuration doesn't work (I only see / partition) > > snmpwalking UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTable is as follows: dskTable is empty on all my servers, but hrStorageTable exists (that's the table that the snmpdf command uses by default), and lists all my ZFS filesystems (/ and /u01 are zfs): $ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on local/root 33521876 20769770 12752105 62% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/ufs/boot 253740 134068 99374 57% /.boot procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc u01 152763879 44677387 108086492 29% /u01 /dev/md0 507630 43996 423024 9% /tmp devfs 1 1 0 100% /var/named/dev $ snmpdf localhost | grep / / 33521867 20771171 12750695 61% /dev 1 1 0 100% /.boot 253740 134068 119672 52% /proc 4 4 0 100% /u01 152763879 44677387 108086492 29% /tmp 507630 43996 463634 8% /var/named/dev 1 1 0 100% /mnt 0 0 0 0% $ pkg_info | grep net-snmp net-snmp-5.5_4 An extendable SNMP implementation -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:55:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209E4106577E for ; 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Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:55:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:55:46 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Nathan Vidican Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:55:49 -0000 WOW Excellent !! I'll give it a try at night, later i will reply my result. Thank you Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Nathan Vidican > Might I suggest you look into MultiLink PPP, or MLPPP - standard FreeBSD > ppp does support it. It allows for round-robin, or packet-splitting accross > multiple PPP connections to pool bandwidth. I am currently using MLPPP on > FreeBSD 8 with multiple DSL connections to the internet and thus far it > works great. > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo Santagostini < > lsantagostini@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. >> >> All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault >> tolerant >> with this 3 connections. >> >> I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper >> direction. >> >> Someone can point me to the rigth one? >> >> Thank you very much. >> Leonardo Santagostini >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > Nathan Vidican > nathan@vidican.com > (519) 962-9987 (Canada) > (313) 586-1982 (USA) > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 19:59:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38F106567A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E18FC1C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3953148ewy.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:59:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Wxhe6A43VvVjITWWHu+a64ntTvv60EqT4OiIQ3Xqw+w=; b=Vckmd04BasAxUjQntjrIR0o0fnr88zfdEFhjnchH3aZcoLYWMilCFy6Eu5gPS8iMLy IOVzI0fxcIYtDpqR7Qc5o3mOPxF7Zfiyze2scRkH/9tMQPVTj4dCK9s7cuH8Q5QBx96E kulvw3g29Xj7o3Awe08lOwdUxeTj6vRF2EvNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=l51F1FiChRCT8uSEncODJcsKF4OZVls2/r+AUd0Vb3IMNAAb6Z+UicCQkKBy/7jhh+ YlafUaCziiAZletOmkwENInjGaMVm8EygS3pqYVxGuPXySO8l4yH9KDBDITLUEcA9VZE jRvARQNW4vf5oEIwDpAWza3lLi4bwmxn3jaSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.13.17 with SMTP id a17mr135425wea.46.1289332759831; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:59:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:59:19 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Diego Arias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:59:22 -0000 I will also probe PF !!! Kind regards Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Diego Arias > > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo Santagostini < > lsantagostini@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. >> >> All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault >> tolerant >> with this 3 connections. >> >> I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper >> direction. >> >> Someone can point me to the rigth one? >> >> Thank you very much. >> Leonardo Santagostini >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > I think lagg will not do the job, you have to set up PF(packet Filter) to > do some kind of Round-Robin. > > -- > Still Going Strong!!! > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:08:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFD51065675 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E195D8FC17 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: <4CD9AA1B.1050505@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:07:55 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> <20101108203227.GA3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20101108203227.GA3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2010 20:07:58.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD9ABFF0:01CB8049] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Cc: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache13 to apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:08:01 -0000 Frank Shute wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: >> As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer >> being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. >> >> Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the >> .css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the >> same directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I >> got the blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I >> checked the apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. >> >> Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? > > AFAIK they're not. > > It sounds like the stylesheet isn't being served up (white background > is default). > > Examine the apache error log. By default it's in /var/log. Also look > in the regular apache log and it could be the stylesheet is getting a > 404. > > Is server root the same in httpd.conf for 2.2 as it is for 1.3? Could > be the cause of the problem. 2.2 uses a different root by default > IIRC. > > > Regards, > This is part of my config file. ServerRoot "/usr/local" Listen 6680 DocumentRoot "/usr/local/www/apache22/data" AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all Alias /FBSD_manuals/ "/usr/local/share/doc/" Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all Here are messages from the access-log. "GET /index.php/00.00-web_style_sheet.css HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 "GET /index.php/powered_by_apache_bsd.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 "GET /index.php/powered_by_FreeBSD.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 You can see that apache22 is saying the .css and the 2 .gif have been served up, but the browser has white background instead of blue and the 2 gif images are missing from the displayed web page. Now this is a working website that displays correctly on apache13 so i know there is nothing wrong with the directory content. The alias website has the .css file in the same directory and it displays correctly. What am I overlooking here? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:33:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5126106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FB18FC12 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so3983527ewy.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:33:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=pbR0i2YeQCvX3k/lmaVMGf3eF5d4Y2pjYHcm7PhcaLk=; b=NFTcsytIzPHRvB1qrOV4epXTi84OZEZLBoORbokCNomgc1jB0hbGCZLHBqnQNE8kKx QGUnIfQCBEwn6v+p29h9SVpZC7CCDKaQihfg4uB6ay9243W6cMn8UzNrR9bqTISnnUFa JkzjTTQYGjd340GlL9iWEsyHPDqbSrS18Hg78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=F+xqtnTj2xR5ebnuwXdIuT5g5tIl6didN8ZX9Q6jblOIKDzIKAdJog42UFV8XGTW+w JEm3fMq9QKFslfYJN/nWdYRooygBJxDzVi68cc0c/ZLhxfzo39ppv+36HorqCGe5TON4 PXXWaUBAqEqSPYfEieymTyl+vUkITS3ukFFQc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.13.17 with SMTP id a17mr172578wea.46.1289334818484; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:33:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:33:38 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Nathan Vidican Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:33:40 -0000 I was looking for mlppp and as far as i could see, mlppp works only on dsl connections. In my case im working with 3 3G usb dongles, so its no pppoe, just ppp Do you have some working config? Thanks in advance, Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Leonardo Santagostini > WOW Excellent !! > > I'll give it a try at night, later i will reply my result. > > Thank you > > Leonardo Santagostini > > > 2010/11/9 Nathan Vidican > > Might I suggest you look into MultiLink PPP, or MLPPP - standard FreeBSD >> ppp does support it. It allows for round-robin, or packet-splitting accross >> multiple PPP connections to pool bandwidth. I am currently using MLPPP on >> FreeBSD 8 with multiple DSL connections to the internet and thus far it >> works great. >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Leonardo Santagostini < >> lsantagostini@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have one freebsd 8.1 box with 3 3G mobile broadband connection. >>> >>> All connections works fine, but i want to do loadbalancing / fault >>> tolerant >>> with this 3 connections. >>> >>> I was reading about lagg interfaces, but i think is not the proper >>> direction. >>> >>> Someone can point me to the rigth one? >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> Leonardo Santagostini >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nathan Vidican >> nathan@vidican.com >> (519) 962-9987 (Canada) >> (313) 586-1982 (USA) >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:41:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9E71065693 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701948FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:41:20 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 64bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBM00A37XGCYN30@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:41:01 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1011090132 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-09_12:2010-11-09, 2010-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:41:00 -0800 Message-id: References: To: Leonardo Santagostini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Nathan Vidican , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:41:20 -0000 On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: > I was looking for mlppp and as far as i could see, mlppp works only on dsl connections. No, it applies to anything supporting PPP; DSL lines using PPPoE, T1/PRI lines using PPP encapsulation for the data side, and even modem dialups using PPP can all be used with MLPPP. > In my case im working with 3 3G usb dongles, so its no pppoe, just ppp > > Do you have some working config? The main issue you might face is that your provider also needs to provide MLPPP support. They might not be willing to do so with wireless equipment. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:48:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54DA106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B478FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (mailhost.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D8160D6B; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id D56195787F0; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9AC5787EE; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:27 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Chuck Swiger' , Leonardo Santagostini Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:48:26 -0600 Thread-Topic: Multiple tun loadbalancing question Thread-Index: AcuATo5xy4xU4HxHSPaBBmoSx9zoVgAABYAw Message-ID: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nathan Vidican , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:48:38 -0000 Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be from t= he same provider. In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable connectio= n from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting the req= uests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real world. In = most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased towards ingr= ess traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't provide mu= ch benefit. Just curious, what provider are you using?
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If you have > received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by > return email and delete this email from your system." > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:52:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8AD1065693 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820DC8FC28 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:52:04 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBM00G42XYNSF50@asmtp030.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1011090134 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-09_12:2010-11-09, 2010-11-09, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:51:59 -0800 Message-id: References: To: Leonardo Santagostini X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: FreeBSD - Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:52:04 -0000 On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Leonardo Santagostini wrote: > Do you have some working config? To answer this part more specifically, from "man ppp": Multi-link capabilities are enabled using the ``set mrru'' command (set maximum reconstructed receive unit). Once multi-link is enabled, ppp will attempt to negotiate a multi-link connection with the peer. [ ... ] Armed with this information, the following configuration might be used: mp: set timeout 0 set log phase chat set device /dev/cuad0 /dev/cuad1 /dev/cuad2 set phone "123456789" set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATZ \ OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 45 CONNECT" set login set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 set authname ppp set authkey ppppassword set mrru 1500 clone 1,2,3 # Create 3 new links - duplicates of the default link deflink remove # Delete the default link (called ``deflink'') Note how all cloning is done at the end of the configuration. Usually, the link will be configured first, then cloned. If you wish all links to be up all the time, you can add the following line to the end of your configuration. link 1,2,3 set mode ddial If you want the links to dial on demand, this command could be used: link * set mode auto Links may be tied to specific names by removing the ``set device'' line above, and specifying the following after the ``clone'' command: link 1 set device /dev/cuad0 link 2 set device /dev/cuad1 link 3 set device /dev/cuad2 Use the ``help'' command to see which commands require context (using the ``link'' command), which have optional context and which should not have any context. You might also check the fine FreeBSD Handbook for examples, also... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:55:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3361065672 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3B18FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwg8 with SMTP id 8so4890885qwg.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:55:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=fYwm7tBIHRF/56qchlG/LiCGxBQl7gLX5TNHiVNz+GA=; b=xu+S8UE/dSBUzcbaf2ln1e1+GmPI/M2Ri0Kk5wRucfgtQHBfOQUf6cCmbGr3q7/dww LfoY1yqsJLwQ+Knbbi1i04qTtArZJzaBiPHmTHF0tM3f8GAiV37BfivKZzIqgrynx72W VzozmbilcBcgN0JCIydpn8pvQxi1T8Mga5eF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=jlGi4EBU1uGyl8V9G5tswOU7AKjyDh9xTwWxtqiW8BFTPOwZnM/9kLgntUt65qCOEB HqREQk1t2M+mW83t8gBfQ6tkLyUr1ZOwj79DdkV2GH8keLN09eo7R+82dg6Wh5jhp3YT HlCtCSZ8PV4ayrvdFFJ92F1zewTOOYTG7Q7b8= Received: by 10.229.98.71 with SMTP id p7mr1325299qcn.289.1289336128114; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:55:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.65.41 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CD9AA1B.1050505@a1poweruser.com> References: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> <20101108203227.GA3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4CD9AA1B.1050505@a1poweruser.com> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:54:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Frank Shute , Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache13 to apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:55:29 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Frank Shute wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: >> >>> As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer >>> being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. >>> >>> Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the >>> .css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the same >>> directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I got the >>> blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I checked the >>> apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. >>> >>> Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? >>> >> >> AFAIK they're not. >> >> It sounds like the stylesheet isn't being served up (white background >> is default). >> >> Examine the apache error log. By default it's in /var/log. Also look >> in the regular apache log and it could be the stylesheet is getting a >> 404. >> >> Is server root the same in httpd.conf for 2.2 as it is for 1.3? Could >> be the cause of the problem. 2.2 uses a different root by default >> IIRC. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> > This is part of my config file. > > > ServerRoot "/usr/local" > Listen 6680 > DocumentRoot "/usr/local/www/apache22/data" > > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > Alias /FBSD_manuals/ "/usr/local/share/doc/" > > > Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > Here are messages from the access-log. > "GET /index.php/00.00-web_style_sheet.css HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 > "GET /index.php/powered_by_apache_bsd.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 > "GET /index.php/powered_by_FreeBSD.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 > > > You can see that apache22 is saying the .css and the 2 .gif have been > served up, but the browser has white background instead of blue and the 2 > gif images are missing from the displayed web page. Now this is a working > website that displays correctly on apache13 so i know there is nothing wrong > with the directory content. > > The alias website has the .css file in the same directory and it displays > correctly. > > > What am I overlooking here? If the alias website is working correctly, which one else is not working? Where is its DocumentRoot? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 20:58:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5662106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B568FC0C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA9KwSpV027027; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:28 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA9KwPMc027014; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:27 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31A7733C1F; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:58:24 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Fbsd8 Message-ID: <20101109205824.GA31313@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4CD84CFB.1090403@a1poweruser.com> <20101108203227.GA3662@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4CD9AA1B.1050505@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CD9AA1B.1050505@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: Freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apache13 to apache22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:58:32 -0000 On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 03:07:55PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: > > Frank Shute wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 02:18:19PM -0500, Fbsd8 wrote: > >>As I do a complete fresh install of 8.1 I saw that apache13 is no longer > >>being supported, so thought this is the time I will move to apache22. > >> > >>Now everything went real easy until testing my websites. In apache13 the > >>.css (style sheet) calls for a blue background. The .css file is in the > >>same directory as the html files making up the website. In apache13 I > >>got the blue background but in apache22 I get a white background. I > >>checked the apache22 htppd.config file for any info on css but found none. > >> > >>Are .css (style sheet) handled differently in apache22? > > > >AFAIK they're not. > > > >It sounds like the stylesheet isn't being served up (white background > >is default). > > > >Examine the apache error log. By default it's in /var/log. Also look > >in the regular apache log and it could be the stylesheet is getting a > >404. > > > >Is server root the same in httpd.conf for 2.2 as it is for 1.3? Could > >be the cause of the problem. 2.2 uses a different root by default > >IIRC. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > This is part of my config file. > > > ServerRoot "/usr/local" > Listen 6680 > DocumentRoot "/usr/local/www/apache22/data" > > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > Options FollowSymLinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > Alias /FBSD_manuals/ "/usr/local/share/doc/" > > > Options Indexes FollowSymlinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > Here are messages from the access-log. > "GET /index.php/00.00-web_style_sheet.css HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 > "GET /index.php/powered_by_apache_bsd.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 > "GET /index.php/powered_by_FreeBSD.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6839 This looks like a problem. It's saying that you have a *directory* called index.php in your document root which has a stylesheet and 2 gifs contained within it which are all the same byte size. Is your server correctly dealing with php? > You can see that apache22 is saying the .css and the 2 .gif have been > served up, but the browser has white background instead of blue and the > 2 gif images are missing from the displayed web page. Now this is a > working website that displays correctly on apache13 so i know there is > nothing wrong with the directory content. I suspect you'll find that even though it's saying it has served up the .css and gifs, it's just serving up index.php which is 6839 bytes long. Anything in your error log? > > The alias website has the .css file in the same directory and it > displays correctly. > > > What am I overlooking here? > Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 21:06:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7D2106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3507B8FC13 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA6450867; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:06:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F8CD2F8002; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:06:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75A2F8001; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:06:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:06:01 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'Leonardo Santagostini' Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:06:00 -0600 Thread-Topic: Multiple tun loadbalancing question Thread-Index: AcuAT+oiZUbys0+uRGmThtG1RnJhTAAAU7Ug Message-ID: <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Nathan Vidican , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:06:07 -0000 If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp is n= ot an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is 100% = likely :) Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic amongst = different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use connection A, = other hosts use B, etc. You can even get fancy and route based on applicat= ion and host if you wish. Ci$co calls this Policy Based Routing. I'm not = sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar functionality. M= y guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about that. As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single one = - not an option AFAIK. G ________________________________ From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question Hello all, Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and Pers= onal. Thank you Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be from t= he same provider. In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable connectio= n from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting the req= uests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real world. In = most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased towards ingr= ess traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't provide mu= ch benefit. Just curious, what provider are you using?
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 21:06:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D6610656B7; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507088FC1A; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PFvOh-0005eG-K8>; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:06:31 +0100 Received: from e178024133.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.24.133] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PFvOh-0003Oc-ET>; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: <4CD9B7D6.6040405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:06:30 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com References: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101109215247.0ecac268@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <20101109215247.0ecac268@ernst.jennejohn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.24.133 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USGS ISIS 3.2.1: build failure on FBSD 8.1/9.0 due to oudated xerxec-c2 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:06:32 -0000 On 11/09/10 21:52, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:48 +0100 > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > >> Hello. >> Tried to build the newest ISIS 3.2.1 software package for planetary >> survey science, but fail. I always get the following error which seems >> to be triggered due to an ambiguous overload of a function, but I do not >> know how to fix the problem since everything seems clen to me. The USGS >> ISIS package uses prebuild libraries, but only for two Linux >> distributions and OSX, libxerces is version 3.1 as far as I can see, but >> FreeBSD port textproc/xerces-c2 is stuck with 2.7. So far, ISIS 3.2.0 >> could be build on FreeBSD 8 and 9 with minor problems but working. Is >> anybody out here also utilising FreeBSD for scientific purposes and alsi >> using ISIS3 3.2.1? Can anybody help or give a hint? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> > > Are you using the standard gcc? You could try installing one of the > gcc versions from ports and see whether that helps. The standard gcc > is a few generations old. > > [snip error output] > Hello, I'm using clang ;-) But I also tried gcc45. After I installed xerces-c version 3.1.1 from the Apache project in referred ISIS to take libs iand includes from the new installation path, I had success, but only a partial one. Xalan-c relies on the older version xerces-c2 2.7.. I also tried with xerces-c2-devel (2.8.0), but it also produces the error shown prior to this message. Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 21:09:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000D1065695 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:09:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cvs-src@yandex.ru) Received: from forward13.mail.yandex.net (forward13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2EC8FC1A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (smtp12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.191]) by forward13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 70C0B1080DFE; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:49:22 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289335762; bh=OqhIwm4XDICJC/VHxkFn9wqZ06CwsDB9ifiqG5COVpI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G+EQQQofTZ8aLza4BtGUUt7NwQ9O3pqHoEVg8XNOSCwMZRER8vGOdcGShGJ+juh5Z rRpgZ5DtiC+BPvoxigkJzrH6QWD/ETK9LYOkmQm3M2od2DaxrdnVsdd3Wlh9li3wFi 7yZxKHvZv2VOgxPciEfD5ij0rhs3AE/OtwCP9OVc= Received: from smeshariki2.local (unknown [77.66.145.223]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 1CC4B13E8093; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:49:22 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4CD9B3CA.6050500@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:49:14 +0300 From: Ruslan Mahmatkhanov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289335762 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp12.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USGS ISIS 3.2.1: build failure on FBSD 8.1/9.0 due to oudated xerxec-c2 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:09:07 -0000 Good day! 09.11.2010 22:34, O. Hartmann пишет: > Hello. > Tried to build the newest ISIS 3.2.1 software package for planetary > survey science, but fail. I always get the following error which seems > to be triggered due to an ambiguous overload of a function, but I do not > know how to fix the problem since everything seems clen to me. The USGS > ISIS package uses prebuild libraries, but only for two Linux > distributions and OSX, libxerces is version 3.1 as far as I can see, but > FreeBSD port textproc/xerces-c2 is stuck with 2.7. So far, ISIS 3.2.0 > could be build on FreeBSD 8 and 9 with minor problems but working. Is > anybody out here also utilising FreeBSD for scientific purposes and alsi > using ISIS3 3.2.1? Can anybody help or give a hint? Which exact xerces version is needed for successful build? Did you tried to install textproc/xerces-c2-devel? (It has 2.8.0 that is last stable release in 2.x branch). > > Thanks in advance, > > Oliver > > > Building object [IsisAml] (20:22:34) > In file included from > /usr/local/include/xercesc/framework/psvi/XSModel.hpp:29, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/framework/XMLGrammarPool.hpp:27, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/common/GrammarResolver.hpp:24, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/internal/XMLScanner.hpp:36, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/internal/VecAttributesImpl.hpp:28, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/parsers/SAX2XMLReaderImpl.hpp:27, > from /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/XMLReaderFactory.hpp:24, > from IsisAml.cpp:27: > /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/schema/SchemaElementDecl.hpp: In > member function 'virtual bool > xercesc_2_7::SchemaElementDecl::isGlobalDecl() const': > /usr/local/include/xercesc/validators/schema/SchemaElementDecl.hpp:508: > warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions > IsisXMLApplication.cpp: In member function 'virtual void > IsisXMLApplication::startElement(const XMLCh*, const XMLCh*, const > XMLCh*, const xercesc_2_7::Attributes&)': > IsisXMLApplication.cpp:99: error: call of overloaded > 'getValue(XMLSize_t)' is ambiguous > /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/Attributes.hpp:195: note: candidates > are: virtual const XMLCh* xercesc_2_7::Attributes::getValue(unsigned > int) const > /usr/local/include/xercesc/sax2/Attributes.hpp:270: note: virtual const > XMLCh* xercesc_2_7::Attributes::getValue(const XMLCh*) const > gmake[5]: *** [IsisXMLApplication.o] Error 1 > gmake[4]: *** [object] Error 2 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Regards, Ruslan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 21:17:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8E7106566B for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600C48FC18 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxf34 with SMTP id 34so292857yxf.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:17:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CAm9Iy2SsHeTCjHw2Lp2/3y99AgkcB9UwumXVUvxECw=; b=AWGU+Luz1UGEZIY7/esUjtrOkv2WStZowmTfjwT5JFDHXZSmIKF7bUsb5svq7mgdkb NqEOdHZa+wDIJOQ21YgyWEki3GrUsPEdOmVukQDZf2awRgBIzeu6bB1NriCxnT4iBnlb bj2HtTdrq8c92AKjlIxM9kypXf24Q1Y+up0yQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lRDRGsEZWrST9zgW59xiJ8NVasSAB+M2k/ZMMOaMsnFP0Gg2dwLbICKTFxQ+u/Wyhl jEtcnDA+okzCweJk5AHs0PhqyINk6UOVhwWAF2U5iArDfi0oEPEINxBJTwj+5s5OHf2x KPEgvaoZJ49pH6VkCN16Xi9Jyz728XN5DzCFI= Received: by 10.204.68.140 with SMTP id v12mr89712bki.207.1289335971197; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.jennejohn.org (p578E2BDD.dip.t-dialin.net [87.142.43.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm1347702bkt.17.2010.11.09.12.52.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Nov 2010 12:52:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:52:47 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: "O. Hartmann" Message-ID: <20101109215247.0ecac268@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USGS ISIS 3.2.1: build failure on FBSD 8.1/9.0 due to oudated xerxec-c2 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:17:24 -0000 On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:48 +0100 "O. Hartmann" wrote: > Hello. > Tried to build the newest ISIS 3.2.1 software package for planetary > survey science, but fail. I always get the following error which seems > to be triggered due to an ambiguous overload of a function, but I do not > know how to fix the problem since everything seems clen to me. The USGS > ISIS package uses prebuild libraries, but only for two Linux > distributions and OSX, libxerces is version 3.1 as far as I can see, but > FreeBSD port textproc/xerces-c2 is stuck with 2.7. So far, ISIS 3.2.0 > could be build on FreeBSD 8 and 9 with minor problems but working. Is > anybody out here also utilising FreeBSD for scientific purposes and alsi > using ISIS3 3.2.1? Can anybody help or give a hint? > > Thanks in advance, > Are you using the standard gcc? You could try installing one of the gcc versions from ports and see whether that helps. The standard gcc is a few generations old. [snip error output] -- Gary Jennejohn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 22:45:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB2A106564A for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FA68FC08 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oA9MhUS4024084 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:43:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:43:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011092243.oA9MhUS4024084@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Glue records X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:45:36 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Nov 8 02:16:44 2010 > From: Jonathan McKeown > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:18:09 +0200 > Subject: Re: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) > > On Friday 05 November 2010 22:51:01 Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 02:26:31 2010 > > > From: Jonathan McKeown > > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:27:38 +0200 > > > Subject: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) > > > > > > When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that > > > zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to > > > indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains > > > responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and > > > only those nameservers. (That's glue.) > > > > > > There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts > > > in the .au zone. > > > > sure there is. > > > > Domain: foo.com (an aussie company) > > nameservers ns1.alicesprings.au, ns2.umelbourneatperth.au > > I think we're agreeing violently ;) The nameservers for the .com zone, when > asked about foo.com, should reply with the hostnames of the two nameservers. > It shouldn't reply with their IP addresses; the only nameservers that can do > that are the ones serving the .au zone or the alicesprings.au and > umelbourneatperth.au zones. Ah. you said "a .com nameserver'. Thought you meant 'any nameserver in the .com hirerarchy', as disinct from 'one of the servers for the .com TLD/zone' Yup, an agreement it is. the A records only for hosts within a zone you are authoritative for, _or_ glure records for a nameservr that is in a zone sub- delegated from something you are authoritative for. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 23:35:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1952106566C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5948FC14 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so41855wya.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:35:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=2bj3s1KaRA3SLI9KaShfh+rGhz2w+0o9yllPzIgze+s=; b=HiEVShlwavvdPiQoL3MV1J24mTMhDyA+AGAt3YGsCbtgDbR8/cKuxPhZywkBJpparm TTK/DlmDyvLPJ+TOZbYexL/KIysQ3hvTfNAgZij39QtsDDHjgSD4uMPrhToMRwC4UIAi nbhP+5pQ3jjelh1y5OTq/14VoP5s9fDn5zMwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=FrAyzxIN6YH7d60aZ5m1jp0ogQxP9RG0pCT0bg2bAFjyh0J0qlXVJaI69y+kD21hcm PsxqKW8mqkViax0CdS1Bo4p9dDrVhhZbc/5zcqkDY3aeKE+VugsbwGUxy/VyzX0TL496 NDaS9iTbmUYNSXpTpYiyfhWVggAnKe2N1KLos= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.206 with SMTP id r56mr346589wed.29.1289345743699; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:35:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101109195535.GA46822@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20101109195535.GA46822@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:35:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Dan Nelson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Omer Faruk SEN , FreeBSD Subject: Re: zfs snmpd disk status X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:35:45 -0000 On 9 November 2010 19:55, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Nov 09), Omer Faruk SEN said: > > I have a system like: > > > > /dev/da0s1a 48G 2.2G 42G 5% / > > devfs 1.0K 1.0K 0B 100% /dev > > /dev/da0s1d 72G 940M 66G 1% /usr > > opt 547G 14G 534G 2% /opt > > > > /opt is a zfs partition > > > > snmpd.conf : > > > > disk / 10000 > > disk /opt 10000 > > > > Above configuration doesn't work (I only see / partition) > > > > snmpwalking UCD-SNMP-MIB::dskTable is as follows: > > dskTable is empty on all my servers, but hrStorageTable exists (that's the > table that the snmpdf command uses by default), and lists all my ZFS > filesystems (/ and /u01 are zfs): > > $ df > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > local/root 33521876 20769770 12752105 62% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > /dev/ufs/boot 253740 134068 99374 57% /.boot > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > u01 152763879 44677387 108086492 29% /u01 > /dev/md0 507630 43996 423024 9% /tmp > devfs 1 1 0 100% /var/named/dev > > $ snmpdf localhost | grep / > / 33521867 20771171 12750695 61% > /dev 1 1 0 100% > /.boot 253740 134068 119672 52% > /proc 4 4 0 100% > /u01 152763879 44677387 108086492 29% > /tmp 507630 43996 463634 8% > /var/named/dev 1 1 0 100% > /mnt 0 0 0 0% > > $ pkg_info | grep net-snmp > net-snmp-5.5_4 An extendable SNMP implementation > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > the way i have done it at work is to write a custom script that just runs a zpool list command. I then put it in as an extend script to build the mib tree. We then monitor these values From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 9 23:41:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117631065672 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:41:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4598FC18 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so73605bwz.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:41:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C9mdx0nNsc3/odtcMNRcZV1kUwPd4yAIlk59Ixmmg34=; b=u49a6FgdeZkvNgtCENlHev017Hi/5RR0D+UG9uvlX5AEzTlp57OxNPABaVkaUemicz egfFxfenQhqmWnPQaGytwXKQYAh/xqD5xifbxMCKyaWt3o7bW4dAXhG19SuikzPz+5mn lONZnf0MPoSo0hamwj9Vu2wiqQHFoBF4/Nlwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AB2Afi5+ETia4OFvofyVEY0zFWOFXwg9xl/3zt4osOJjgp0kWwqK0VA7CksqY+ElYD nEFjHua1adsNORz7vhWxDPHnts7xvgufms/XWlPNW1rdsMqzRlvgRBPqGNdj1UGfFjTK +ZYS6Jt3/nlxvrmeibfCF13ApdCH9zHcpTmcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.62.136 with SMTP id x8mr7194045bkh.192.1289346098220; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:41:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:41:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: bluethundr To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Nathan Vidican , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Leonardo Santagostini Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:41:41 -0000 This might be worth looking into as well! It's an open source load balancer that was originally developed by yahoo and released into the open source community. It is now a part of the Apache project: http://trafficserver.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp is= not an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is 100= % likely :) > > Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic amongs= t different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use connection A= , other hosts use B, etc. =A0You can even get fancy and route based on appl= ication and host if you wish. =A0Ci$co calls this Policy Based Routing. =A0= I'm not sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar functiona= lity. =A0My guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about that. > > As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single on= e - not an option AFAIK. > > G > > ________________________________ > From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM > To: Gary Gatten > Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question > > Hello all, > > Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and Pe= rsonal. > > Thank you > Leonardo Santagostini > > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > > > > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be from= the same provider. =A0In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable conne= ction from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting the= requests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real world. = =A0In most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased toward= s ingress traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't prov= ide much benefit. > > Just curious, what provider are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > >
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 00:11:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E2C106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE548FC08 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oAA09mfG024502 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:09:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:09:48 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:11:53 -0000 > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:43:01 +0000 > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:17:23 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > I did give a nod to discoverability for GUIs, as you might note if > > you go back and read what you quoted back at me. That's exactly what > > you're talking about. I don't see why you have to pretend I didn't > > mention it, and try to paint the efficiencies on the other side of > > the trade-off as worthless in your response. I thought my original > > description of the trade-off was pretty well balanced, despite the > > fact I have a preference for one side over the other where most tasks > > are concerned. > > Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that it was worthless, just that I > believe the efficiency works the other way sometimes. For example I did > Linux development for a while earlier this year and found it to be > extremely inefficient compared to working in Windows, due to overuse of > terminals and command-line operation - and I grew up running BBC BASIC > and have been using FreeBSD for many years. I love having the > command-line available and indeed often develop software using just an > xterm but I do think a well-designed GUI can increase productivity by > bringing things together that would otherwise be separate. A GUI provids a _fixed_ set of predefined operations that it is possible to perform. IF your needs are met =entirely= by the provided operations, great. If not, you're dead in the water, without any way to accomplish the task. GUIs are great for the casual user, because they provide a consistent 'look&feel' acrross the spectrum of apps available under them, and, _generally_ what you learn from using one application 'generalizes' to any other app that runs under the same GUI. OTOH, a GUI is the worst thing in the world for 'production' use. It absolutely _kills_ productivity for production tasks. Automation for productivity _REQUIRES_ a complete/comprehensive command language. With a command language, you can 'automate' a series of operations by simply listing the commands in a file, and feeding that file to the command-processor input. With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse 'motions'/'clicks'/ 'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. 'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button, may be 'repositioned' at will. An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command language, but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it doesn't 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any other app) *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves more than the single app. Years ago, I worked at a place that, among other things, produced a reference manual of statistical data for our cusotmers. About 800 pages of tabular data, practically all of it updated on a staggered, monthly basis. In the 'early' days (MS-DOS vintage, before 'windows'), each table was kept in a separate spreadsheet, which _did_ require the redundant entry of a _small_ amount of the data. OTOH two (or more) differnt people could be updatdin different paes simultaneously, regardless of whether or not they were 'related'. And, at the end of the week, when it was time to send out the weeks 'updates' to the customers, we had a simple little '.BAT file, each line of which; (a) invoked the spreadsheet (b) specified the spreadsheet file to use, and (c) invoked a 'start-up macro' that printed the contents of the spreadseet, and exited the program. Thus, on 'publication' day it was just type in the name of the '.BAT file and everthing got printed. It took an hour or two -- of _machine_time_ that is, but _zero_ human intervention. Fast forward a few years, a new-hire analyist (in a senior capacity) felt humiliated at having to use this 'old' technology (they had Windows at his prior employer), and made a big enough stink about it that the shop upgraded to Windows just to keep him happy. He proceeds to bundle all 'his' spreadsheets into a single workbook, so that only one person can be working on any of them at any given time, and, on 'publication day', somebody had to sit there and click on each relevant/changed sheet in the workbook, click on' file', click on print, select the page to print, and click 'doit'. What a *wonderful* productivity increase!! We've now got a system that requires a -human- to play babysitttr the machine. For a couple of -hours- every week. all to save the complainer from having to enter a few numbers redundantly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 00:19:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43386106566C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CF38FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663975084C; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:19:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A6EF3C32D; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:19:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com (advphtcas0.wradvisors.com [192.168.203.228]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD0C3C31F; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:19:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by ADVPHTCAS0.wradvisors.com ([192.168.203.228]) with mapi; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:19:21 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: 'bluethundr' Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:19:21 -0600 Thread-Topic: Multiple tun loadbalancing question Thread-Index: AcuAZ6mul8LDfD/qTT+Zezr8R0ZECwABRvZA Message-ID: <10928_1289348362_4CD9E50A_10928_2705_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C1C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nathan Vidican , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Leonardo Santagostini Subject: RE: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:19:33 -0000 Seems out of scope to OP, but cool info nonetheless. I'd like to get my we= b team to ditch a couple ISA servers for this, but sadly I doubt they will.= .. -----Original Message----- From: bluethundr [mailto:bluethundr@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:42 PM To: Gary Gatten Cc: Leonardo Santagostini; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question This might be worth looking into as well! It's an open source load balancer that was originally developed by yahoo and released into the open source community. It is now a part of the Apache project: http://trafficserver.apache.org/ On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp is= not an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is 100= % likely :) > > Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic amongs= t different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use connection A= , other hosts use B, etc. =A0You can even get fancy and route based on appl= ication and host if you wish. =A0Ci$co calls this Policy Based Routing. =A0= I'm not sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar functiona= lity. =A0My guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about that. > > As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single on= e - not an option AFAIK. > > G > > ________________________________ > From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM > To: Gary Gatten > Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question > > Hello all, > > Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and Pe= rsonal. > > Thank you > Leonardo Santagostini > > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > > > > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be from= the same provider. =A0In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable conne= ction from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting the= requests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real world. = =A0In most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased toward= s ingress traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't prov= ide much benefit. > > Just curious, what provider are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > >
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 00:52:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03203106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C18D8FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so97659wwb.31 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:52:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r0jPzbbgbAcUS8dzGs8AE7OyrrA4aIMABJ0v3jUTcjw=; b=KjNV6143kRB4SUczWc4QC9h7bpPWbE+SvXsLybX1tvyYMh01cJnvhcnStwed55HKud f/sRyEB37umWcnbec8MgZd5Qcy285Vdw93DXYolfH3VMjgCdzIhhP917fJh4Uhlll2FX iEFxIE44kUGzl+jRByeiXWPuvivkpnav/kcYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Cn/VbPf8mI5KcuOTEcx+eL0FU/jv02piRs1AD8LHjDRAUsWI26ICCyle87swwKfyIQ GZQWNUlvKjgyuWUAHovZfngARQSu+uEEPuQ8VcMDLtnI/OCUwBw7lHOR9rEcNCdnwgu/ ymmxyQOM1tZ1bcaqRuERt9fnDJVHHCQPXoD2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.78.143 with SMTP id g15mr3933514wee.31.1289350339232; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 16:52:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <10928_1289348362_4CD9E50A_10928_2705_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C1C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <10928_1289348362_4CD9E50A_10928_2705_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C1C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 21:52:19 -0300 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Nathan Vidican , bluethundr , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:52:22 -0000 Hello All, in a few moments i will start making some test with the suggestions you give me. I will tell you how things are going. Thanks all for reply! Yours, Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > Seems out of scope to OP, but cool info nonetheless. I'd like to get my > web team to ditch a couple ISA servers for this, but sadly I doubt they > will... > > -----Original Message----- > From: bluethundr [mailto:bluethundr@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:42 PM > To: Gary Gatten > Cc: Leonardo Santagostini; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question > > This might be worth looking into as well! > > It's an open source load balancer that was originally developed by > yahoo and released into the open source community. It is now a part of > the Apache project: > > http://trafficserver.apache.org/ > > > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp is > not an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is 100% > likely :) > > > > Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic > amongst different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use > connection A, other hosts use B, etc. You can even get fancy and route > based on application and host if you wish. Ci$co calls this Policy Based > Routing. I'm not sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar > functionality. My guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about > that. > > > > As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single > one - not an option AFAIK. > > > > G > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM > > To: Gary Gatten > > Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question > > > > Hello all, > > > > Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and > Personal. > > > > Thank you > > Leonardo Santagostini > > > > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > > > > > > > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be from > the same provider. In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable > connection from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting > the requests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real > world. In most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased > towards ingress traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't > provide much benefit. > > > > Just curious, what provider are you using? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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OK-AT-OK \ AT+CGATT? OK \ AT+COPS? OK \ ATDT*99# CONNECT" set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 add! default HISADDR movistar: set device /dev/cuaU2.0 set phone "*99#" set authname internet set authkey internet set dial "ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 5 \ \"\" \ ATZ OK-AT-OK \ ATZ OK-AT-OK \ AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ AT+CSQ OK \ AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"internet.gprs.unifon.com.ar\\\" OK \ AT+CGACT? OK-AT-OK \ AT+CGATT? OK \ AT+COPS? OK \ ATDT*99# CONNECT" set ifaddr 10.0.0.11/0 10.0.0.12/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 add! default HISADDR personal: set device /dev/cuaU0.1 set phone "*99#" set authname gprs set authkey gprs set dial "ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 5 \ \"\" \ ATZ OK-AT-OK \ ATZ OK-AT-OK \ ATZ OK-AT-OK \ AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ AT+CSQ OK \ AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"gprs.personal.com\\\" OK \ AT+CGACT? OK-AT-OK \ AT+CGATT? OK \ AT+COPS? OK \ ATDT*99# CONNECT" set ifaddr 10.0.0.21/0 10.0.0.22/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 add! default HISADDR First of all i will try with PF It seems to me easier than other clues :-) C-ya Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/10 Leonardo Santagostini > Hello All, in a few moments i will start making some test with the > suggestions you give me. > > I will tell you how things are going. > > Thanks all for reply! > Yours, > > Leonardo Santagostini > > > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > >> Seems out of scope to OP, but cool info nonetheless. I'd like to get my >> web team to ditch a couple ISA servers for this, but sadly I doubt they >> will... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bluethundr [mailto:bluethundr@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:42 PM >> To: Gary Gatten >> Cc: Leonardo Santagostini; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question >> >> This might be worth looking into as well! >> >> It's an open source load balancer that was originally developed by >> yahoo and released into the open source community. It is now a part of >> the Apache project: >> >> http://trafficserver.apache.org/ >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: >> > If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp >> is not an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is >> 100% likely :) >> > >> > Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic >> amongst different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use >> connection A, other hosts use B, etc. You can even get fancy and route >> based on application and host if you wish. Ci$co calls this Policy Based >> Routing. I'm not sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar >> functionality. My guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about >> that. >> > >> > As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single >> one - not an option AFAIK. >> > >> > G >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM >> > To: Gary Gatten >> > Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question >> > >> > Hello all, >> > >> > Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and >> Personal. >> > >> > Thank you >> > Leonardo Santagostini >> > >> > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten > >> > >> > >> > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be >> from the same provider. In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable >> connection from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting >> the requests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real >> world. In most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased >> towards ingress traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't >> provide much benefit. >> > >> > Just curious, what provider are you using? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
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If you have >> received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by >> return email and delete this email from your system." >> >> >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 02:10:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A275106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:10:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC18D8FC1B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so1664421qyk.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.196.67 with SMTP id ef3mr5848666qab.160.1289355054833; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.119] In-Reply-To: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:10:54 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:10:56 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi wrot= e: > A GUI provids a =A0_fixed_ set of predefined operations that it is possib= le to > perform. > > IF your needs are met =3Dentirely=3D by the provided operations, great. = =A0If not, > you're dead in the water, without any way to accomplish the task. How is this different from the command line? If I have a set of data and want to sort it in a way that "sort" doesn't have an argument for, I'm just as dead in the water as with the GUI. In fact, with the GUI I am probably better off because I can see that this is not supported within the program, without having to use the documentation. > > GUIs are great for the casual user, because they provide a consistent 'lo= ok&feel' > acrross the spectrum of apps available under them, and, _generally_ what = you > learn =A0from using one application 'generalizes' to any other app that r= uns under > the same GUI. > > OTOH, a GUI is the worst thing in the world for 'production' use. =A0It a= bsolutely > _kills_ productivity for production tasks. =A0Automation for productivity= _REQUIRES_ > a complete/comprehensive command =A0language. > > With a command language, you can 'automate' a series of operations by sim= ply > listing the commands in a file, and feeding that file to the command-proc= essor > input. > > With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse 'motions'/'cli= cks'/ > 'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. > 'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button, m= ay be > 'repositioned' at will. > > An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command l= anguage, > but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it doesn'= t > 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any othe= r app) > *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves more = than > the single app. The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get input into a program? Some can open files on their own and the file is listed as an argument (app input) Some have a flag for input, which of course isn't consistent (app -in input= ) Some have multiple flags for input, but which ones work depends on the platform/implementation (such as GNU long flags) Some need it provided to stdin Some can process multiple types of input and are smart enough to figure it out on their own while others need to be told what format they are being given Some can do multiple unrelated things in one instance (file a b) while others can't (date +"%H" +"%M") Some have historic idiosyncrasies, such as tar defaulting to a tape drive Some have other strangeness, like java using aaa.class as input but wanting you to list it without the .class extension, whilst javac needs the .java extension Some are just unusual for no obvious reason, like dd's xx=3Dyy thing etc. On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File > Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same everywhere. > > Years ago, I worked at a place that, among other things, produced a refer= ence > manual of statistical data for our cusotmers. =A0About 800 pages of tabul= ar data, > practically all of it updated on a staggered, monthly basis. =A0In the 'e= arly' > days (MS-DOS vintage, before 'windows'), =A0each table was kept in a sepa= rate > spreadsheet, which _did_ require the redundant entry of a _small_ amount = of > the data. OTOH two (or more) differnt people could be updatdin different = paes > simultaneously, regardless of whether or not they were 'related'. =A0And,= at > the end of the week, when it was time to send out the weeks 'updates' to = the > customers, =A0we had a simple little '.BAT file, each line of which; (a) = invoked > the spreadsheet =A0(b) specified the spreadsheet file to use, and (c) inv= oked > a 'start-up macro' that printed the contents of the spreadseet, and exite= d > the program. =A0Thus, on 'publication' day it was just type in the name o= f the > '.BAT file and everthing got printed. =A0It took an hour or two -- of _ma= chine_time_ > that is, but _zero_ human intervention. > > Fast forward a few years, =A0a new-hire analyist (in a senior capacity) f= elt > humiliated at having to use this 'old' technology (they had Windows at hi= s > prior employer), and made a big enough stink about it that the shop upgra= ded > to Windows just to keep him happy. He proceeds to bundle all 'his' spread= sheets > into a single workbook, so that only one person can be working on any of = them > at any given time, and, on 'publication day', somebody had to sit there a= nd > click on each relevant/changed =A0sheet in the workbook, click on' file',= click > on print, select the page to print, and click 'doit'. =A0 What a *wonderf= ul* > productivity increase!! =A0We've now got a system that requires a -human-= to > play babysitttr the machine. =A0For a couple of -hours- every week. =A0al= l to save > the complainer from having to enter a few numbers redundantly. This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. However, it still points out one of the biggest problems with the CLI - there is a barrier to entry in knowing what commands to run with what arguments to make everything work the way you want. File > Print was easy for your office staff to figure out. The CLI equivalent apparently wasn't. I think many here are underestimating the value of GUIs, because they have been running many of these traditional UNIX commands for years (or decades) and are also technically oriented enough that learning them in the first place wasn't a big deal. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 03:30:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2DE106566C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.ross@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA99A8FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2010 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO n200) [178.3.151.96] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2010 04:02:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #11429267 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Rzs1JBW6Rok2OjXctZpG1twzy3RduP36o/3rAge J8TtWEyuOthG5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:02:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.63 (Win32) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:30:43 -0000 Am 10.11.2010, 01:09 Uhr, schrieb Robert Bonomi : > With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse > 'motions'/'clicks'/ > 'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. > 'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button, > may be > 'repositioned' at will. > > An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command > language, > but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it > doesn't > 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any > other app) > *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves more > than > the single app. For Windows OSes there is actually a rather nice tool out there, http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ which allows you to script the GUI cross-app. Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 04:04:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10A91065672 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F23F8FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.unitedinsong.com.au (abracadabra.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.80]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0833B5C21 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:09:04 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: AtMail Atmail Open 1.04 Message-ID: <22029.1289362144@herveybayaustralia.com.au> To: X-Origin: 192.168.0.200 X-Atmail-Account: freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:09:04 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ORBit not upgrading X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:04:25 -0000 =20 I have a wee problem... :) I've been naughty because I've been working on other things and I was going to simply rebuild this m/c when I got the chance anyway. Unfortunately I've run into a problem where I need to upgrade because I've found a bug in php 5.3.2 which is killing me. So I've run an upgrade at a rather late date, and alswell... except ORBit is not behaving. I've checked UPDATING and looked into the Makefiles, but for the life of me I can't fathom what the hell is going on. It is running thru the checks and stalls completely here: ... checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking whether gmake sets ${MAKE}... yes checking for working aclocal... found checking for working autoconf... found checking for working automake... found checking for working autoheader... found checking for working makeinfo... found checking for gcc... cc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for executable suffix...=20 checking for object suffix... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether cc accepts -g... yes checking for strerror in -lcposix... no checking for gcc... (cached) cc checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes checking how to run the C preprocessor... cpp checking if C preprocessor likes IDL... yes checking if C preprocessor can read from stdin... yes checking how to ignore standard include path... Huh? Any reason it'd be looking for a non standard include path? Whats the hold up? Now this is ORBit-0.5.17_5, and I don't think a manual reinstall would make much difference. But WTF? Any Ideas? As for the php error: anybody have trouble with preg_match and the subject string being a variable? If I manually put the contents in as the subject it works, but it won't read out of the variable. I'm actually exec something and the variable holds the output (and yes, it does work, and the variable holds the info right- just ran a print on the variable) but the stupid thing is sending me bald and I can't register a bug before an upgrade. Cheers ------------------------- Message sent via Atmail Open - http://atmail.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 04:10:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12E106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40B8FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oA99UYK0041086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oA99UY6j041085; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00753; Tue, 9 Nov 10 01:21:09 PST Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:21:01 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@edvax.de Message-Id: <4cd9127d.u5WgVW7/5NthFOf6%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:38 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid > using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting > information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI > alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. > Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling > and "experience", but are useless to those who want to achieve > a certain goal with it. Another strength, potentially large but all-too-frequently overlooked entirely, is as a learning aid. In the situation that operations in the GUI map reasonably well to TUI commands -- which by definition includes cases in which the GUI is used as a front-end to issue commands to an external TUI-based program -- the GUI really should have a mode wherein it displays or logs the TUI commands that it is performing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 04:10:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF224106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.26.172.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157A8FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id oA99BwNC039580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id oA99Bw61039579; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA00679; Tue, 9 Nov 10 01:09:53 PST Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:09:46 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: smithi@nimnet.asn.au Message-Id: <4cd90fda.M0ZCOlvxcAzTnwuw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20101106120033.CB14610656D7@hub.freebsd.org> <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gnrp@physik.tu-berlin.de Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:10:39 -0000 Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 11, Message: 4 > On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:00:34 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Julian Fagir wrote: > > > > Does anyone has a "generate-pi.c" source code? > > ... > > > 1 #include > > > 2 #include > > > 3 #include > > > 4 > > > 5 // Change this for a more accurate result. > > > 6 long max = 100000000; > > > 7 double a, b; > > > 8 double pi; > > > 9 long counter; > > > 10 long i; > > > 11 > > > 12 int main() { > > > 13 for (i = 0; i< max; i++) { > > > 14 a = drand48(); > > > 15 b = drand48(); > > > 16 if (a*a + b*b <= 1) > > > 17 counter++; > > > 18 } > > > 19 pi = 4*counter; > > Surely that should be 'pi = 4 * counter / max;' otherwise even if the > integer counter were only 1 (of 100000000), pi would already be 4 :) The part I snipped out included a note that it was only generating the digits, not trying to show the decimal point placed properly. With that understanding, and as long as max is a (large-ish) power of 10, the division is not needed. (If the division were to be inserted, at least one of its operands would need to be cast to double, or pi would likely be reported as 3.0000 due to truncation.) An approach more in keeping with the original would involve using sprintf, and then inserting the decimal point into the resulting string :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 04:43:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C73106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7FC8FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAA4hoc2019941; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:43:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:43:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4cd90fda.M0ZCOlvxcAzTnwuw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Message-ID: <20101110152855.F76697@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101106120033.CB14610656D7@hub.freebsd.org> <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4cd90fda.M0ZCOlvxcAzTnwuw%perryh@pluto.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, gnrp@physik.tu-berlin.de Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:43:52 -0000 On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Ian Smith wrote: > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 11, Message: 4 > > On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:00:34 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > Julian Fagir wrote: > > > > > Does anyone has a "generate-pi.c" source code? > > > ... > > > > 1 #include > > > > 2 #include > > > > 3 #include > > > > 4 > > > > 5 // Change this for a more accurate result. > > > > 6 long max = 100000000; > > > > 7 double a, b; > > > > 8 double pi; > > > > 9 long counter; > > > > 10 long i; > > > > 11 > > > > 12 int main() { > > > > 13 for (i = 0; i< max; i++) { > > > > 14 a = drand48(); > > > > 15 b = drand48(); > > > > 16 if (a*a + b*b <= 1) > > > > 17 counter++; > > > > 18 } > > > > 19 pi = 4*counter; > > > > Surely that should be 'pi = 4 * counter / max;' otherwise even if the > > integer counter were only 1 (of 100000000), pi would already be 4 :) > > The part I snipped out included a note that it was only generating > the digits, not trying to show the decimal point placed properly. Ah. > With that understanding, and as long as max is a (large-ish) power > of 10, the division is not needed. (If the division were to be > inserted, at least one of its operands would need to be cast to > double, or pi would likely be reported as 3.0000 due to truncation.) Ok, you can probably tell that I'm not really proficient in C; as an old Pascal programmer I'd have assumed an implied cast to pi's type, though I'd likely have specified 4.0 to make it clear. > An approach more in keeping with the original would involve using > sprintf, and then inserting the decimal point into the resulting > string :) It's a bit O(N) to use for many digits .. still I like the approach. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 05:01:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D085C1065674 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnrp@physik.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail.tu-berlin.de (mail.tu-berlin.de [130.149.7.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3958FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:01:09 +0000 (UTC) X-tubIT-Incoming-IP: 130.149.58.163 Received: from mail.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.58.163] helo=mail.physik.tu-berlin.de) by mail.tu-berlin.de (exim-4.69/mailfrontend-c) with esmtp for id 1PG2o0-0006Yf-4x; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:01:08 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA10A11401 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:01:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at physik.tu-berlin.de Received: from mail.physik.tu-berlin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m5xXv9hllt6q for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:01:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from eselhitler (q827es.in-vpn.de [217.197.85.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.physik.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B06D11406 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:01:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 06:01:02 +0100 From: Julian Fagir To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101110060102.3509f1ae@eselhitler> In-Reply-To: <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101106120033.CB14610656D7@hub.freebsd.org> <20101108182717.M66572@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/YfBX+e=jdxmcjNznKj_69Xw"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-tubIT-Score: 0.0 () Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:01:09 -0000 --Sig_/YfBX+e=jdxmcjNznKj_69Xw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, just to get more off-topic... ;-) On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:01:19 +1100 (EST) Ian Smith wrote: > And while a square enclosing a circle, it's hardly squaring the circle:=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle .. but an interesting=20 > read nonetheless for unrequited seekers of pi-foo :) In our case, it is as possible/exact as computing pi. When computing pi, you resolve to the same problem as you have when 'squaring' a circle: Transcendental numbers over the given field. Just having rational numbers, you can just approximate pi, and as a human or computer, one doesn't have the power to imagine pi or give it an exact valu= e. And I don't know, but doubt there's someone who can imagine anything else t= han rational or at least over Q algebraic numbers. The same with the squared circle: You can approximate it, but over the the field of the constructible numbers, the length is transcendental, so you cannot exactly draw it without further assumptions. Regards, Julian --Sig_/YfBX+e=jdxmcjNznKj_69Xw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzaJw8ACgkQFV4nWcOPv/APZwCfYVatUMk0U7P2aMOR2WngryNw hLcAn1VQ9/sBGNYNC6HW8oJZVnUXuYrl =eM1M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/YfBX+e=jdxmcjNznKj_69Xw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 05:08:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529A11065695 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from crquan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCC68FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so163686wwd.1 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:08:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KG7dwVI0V1XN6zeXSz/DTp/fXJOt22AnWQw/k1hQBvM=; b=QP5IQM82CgWsGon1Zb8m57veeB10LioihBhSmGorok/TuXxsfyCn4XHu19x90Z9xXX 62yoQWwYTp/JKHD89TGReEHekyhybR3y7JUJCqFEHTdGv1IkpC9+QBcjOqVZ9o0i4lkq OU7mDlqPWuBN+XOhEdjeTC1ZmHAzJVHcGoHRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jVHR+pm4i7q9rMrSgAcf8FJQ1sEJpufNfgZhhr1SXo0u0mmO1+2zdYynxdNVuHlt7z mYJx+BLLoUZA6CzdME+ZE6bDoLC6/Z8NVkRcKsz5W/8XBb0HCuH3coNsGFO5tvjyGhyP 6lMgucb0xVwT0GzqVBQOm047x7MotV0LzLSdQ= Received: by 10.216.48.196 with SMTP id v46mr569905web.28.1289363933812; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:38:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.182.10 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:38:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Cheng Renquan Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:38:33 +0800 Message-ID: To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Fwd: The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem, X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:08:53 -0000 I've tried to contact hostmaster@sg.freebsd.org, even that also failed permanently: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hostmaster@sg.freebsd.org > > Technical details of permanent failure: > Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipien= t domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further info= rmation about the cause of this error. The error that the other server retu= rned was: 554 554 5.7.1 : Relay access denied (s= tate 14). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cheng Renquan Date: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM Subject: The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem, To: hostmaster@sg.freebsd.org Hi, =C2=A0The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html#= HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-SG-FTP I'd like to download iso amd64 release 8.1, but it provides only i386, even for i386, they only have 7.2 and 7.3; almost useless for me; http://mirror.averse.net/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ -- Cheng Renquan, Singapore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 07:03:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA68106566C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liontaur@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372458FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so381013bwz.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:03:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2KE4V5dZP0W2t+LPP85WyBPSHXCZR935DQEKnnHprbU=; b=NUvlvX6y/phAhafpXXJOuSi2tzz8aae68tK2lSiIU3KaLDRES/HV0VOYepYVg/KXts IWwtaNSCsvfixPjA8iMCyOV6PEBiLxLO/7b77eDPf0gZszprCy5WKxD9rJbH7PVPC387 JlHWVLUdxulLyoBdHYKKkwha/A9biL4yj8+7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DLGMghVZIXLnCsH0gRkEMIhinJCabC5aPSCFPcBYPElbhJ2EispCPY3nctdpOGAShJ REjvT/tbj/EF7keeulINUQL4oA1NPBb88Ajx26KaUr6kz2F/25Cy4O8I1TGTX9Ch2elG PIQNA2fHZ/PG+JPHW2fbFZwrPjh9qJ8hmdSvs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.97.141 with SMTP id l13mr110143bkn.184.1289372628843; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.4.196 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201011091256.51140.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> <4CD949D7.6030003@stillbilde.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: From: Liontaur To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Per core frequency control X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:03:50 -0000 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:54 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) > wrote: > > You did read the "symmetric" part of "symmetric multi processor" didn't > you? > > > > It's a limitation of the technology. One clock. > > I don't think that's quite true. The newer Intel server chipsets have > the ability to throttle back idle cores and boost the speed of active > ones, to improve performance on single-threaded workloads. > AMD has similar technology on the Phenom's as well. I'm not sure how factually accurate the following link's assessment is but it's a good read either way. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3641/amd-divulges-phenom-ii-x6-secrets-turbo-core-enabled Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 07:21:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F7B1065675 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobiash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ED48FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so161076gxk.13 for ; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:21:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NKLx889fTkNV4gth4OxDTwTzePRfKf+EwR0XFqkJZ+Y=; b=ZivO42J83GAyonX1Vph/rnDxkzCfwTluotgs0087IT8Q3kCNQhsLl631jPblWUD7yA MBuxsXfK6LS6/Z4G8YQIXYJgr82lwxhS7qvm1jv1XvVoSHAOE2ZqjZSsU7wf4Yp/kzXA alS7M5VyuQbUZPTBWpGRPHWW4dTA1R5RLVOzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=IND1Jb1JFTfu/dZ8m0hFwqN8CE1sbrH5OPrvi0MwyAx1b9ZeR7ReT/1TwWWZRoHIVL 4krWvmmxc+60VAX6XVMR36Mqt+8ytmsUpJyn7t1Nn7O1R6uxHf5XbJYYHzhgCPb6Rcl7 wxVRYwXy3rf9j3PZKRBN/G3PkMgDnhOpDnHPo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.241.4 with SMTP id o4mr4504383anh.163.1289371858575; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.134.13 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:50:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:50:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tobias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Package deinstall woes since new portupgrade arrived X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:21:56 -0000 Howdy freebsd-questions - almost every day I run a "portupgrade --batch -rav" over my installed packages on my "FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE #0" system. Two days ago I noticed that portupgrade itself was updated and that subsequent packages had troubles updating. Here's a sample for a "portupgrade --batch -rav" run: ... ===> Building for p5-Set-IntSpan-1.15 cp IntSpan.pm blib/lib/Set/IntSpan.pm Manifying blib/man3/Set::IntSpan.3 ---> Build of math/p5-Set-IntSpan ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:41 -0700 (consumed 00:00:01) ---> Updating dependency info ---> Uninstallation of p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 started at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:45 -0700 ---> Fixing up dependencies before creating a package ---> Backing up the old version ---> Uninstalling the old version ---> Deinstalling 'p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14' ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 (undefined method `nil' for "":String) ---> Uninstallation of p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:56 -0700 (consumed 00:00:11) ---> Upgrade of math/p5-Set-IntSpan ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:56 -0700 (consumed 00:00:16) ... It appears as if the deinstall fails for some (at least to me) unknown reason. p5-Set-IntSpan was not updated and we end up with lots of stale dependencies that need to be fixed via "pkgdb -F". If I manually do a "make deinstall reinstall" in the port-directory then the deinstall does not have any issues. Does anybody know where I should be looking for a solution to the "(undefined method `nil' for "":String)" problem? Thanks - Tobias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 09:21:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3786106566C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF4C8FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D62E7208; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:18 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: <20101110092118.000059ff@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:21:21 -0000 On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:02:34 +0100 "Michael Ross" wrote: > For Windows OSes there is actually a rather nice tool out there, > > http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ > > which allows you to script the GUI cross-app. Microsoft also have the UI Automation API to script GUI applications. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 10:13:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5323E106564A; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBD88FC15; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PG7NO-00052n-1V>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PG7NN-00059Q-QX>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDA6BB7.80604@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:53:59 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com References: <4CD9A258.3080309@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20101109215247.0ecac268@ernst.jennejohn.org> <4CD9B7D6.6040405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4CD9B7D6.6040405@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: cvs-src@yandex.ru, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USGS ISIS 3.2.1: build failure on FBSD 8.1/9.0 due to oudated xerxec-c2 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:13:40 -0000 On 11/09/10 22:06, O. Hartmann wrote: > On 11/09/10 21:52, Gary Jennejohn wrote: >> On Tue, 09 Nov 2010 20:34:48 +0100 >> "O. Hartmann" wrote: >> >>> Hello. >>> Tried to build the newest ISIS 3.2.1 software package for planetary >>> survey science, but fail. I always get the following error which seems >>> to be triggered due to an ambiguous overload of a function, but I do not >>> know how to fix the problem since everything seems clen to me. The USGS >>> ISIS package uses prebuild libraries, but only for two Linux >>> distributions and OSX, libxerces is version 3.1 as far as I can see, but >>> FreeBSD port textproc/xerces-c2 is stuck with 2.7. So far, ISIS 3.2.0 >>> could be build on FreeBSD 8 and 9 with minor problems but working. Is >>> anybody out here also utilising FreeBSD for scientific purposes and alsi >>> using ISIS3 3.2.1? Can anybody help or give a hint? >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >> >> Are you using the standard gcc? You could try installing one of the >> gcc versions from ports and see whether that helps. The standard gcc >> is a few generations old. >> >> [snip error output] >> > > Hello, > > I'm using clang ;-) But I also tried gcc45. After I installed xerces-c > version 3.1.1 from the Apache project in referred ISIS to take libs iand > includes from the new installation path, I had success, but only a > partial one. Xalan-c relies on the older version xerces-c2 2.7.. > > I also tried with xerces-c2-devel (2.8.0), but it also produces the > error shown prior to this message. > > Regards, > Oliver Some update. I tried several compilers, all fail due to the wrong xerces-c library. The new USGS software package expects version 3.1.1 of xerces-c. Simply installing the new xerces-c library by compiling, installing to another path and referring to the new lib path etc. doesn't work properly, since there are some conflicts with the original installed xerces-c2 2.7 library. I had to deinstall xerces-c2 package from the ports first, compile and install ISIS3, then reinstall xerces-c2 since it is neccessary by some other important ports we've installed. Xalan-c is also a candidate relying on xerces-c2, and a prerequisite for ISIS3, but so far, I did not recognize any conflicts or misbehaviour. But this is still a worse situation. Greetings, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 10:42:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE9A106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2018FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 84-73-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.73.84] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PG88M-0004k0-VK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:42:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:42:25 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101110124225.587c4b95@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: kern.smp.topology X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:42:33 -0000 Hello! People. Who can explain the purpose of sysctl variable kern.smp.topology? What does it affect? It may take such values: 1 -Dual core with no sharing. 2 -No topology, all cpus are equal. 3 -Dual core with shared L2. 4 -quad core, shared l3 among each package, private l2. 5 -quad core, 2 dualcore parts on each package share l2. 6 -Single-core 2xHTT 7 -quad core with a shared l3, 8 threads sharing L2. default-Default, ask the system what it wants. Does it make sense to set its value manually, if I know that my CPU Core2Duo? How to do this, select a value? I not found this explanation in any of the official guides ... Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:22:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C195106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from picogeyer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F5D8FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so282906fxm.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:22:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5BqodDoPsDLIG4oxcLGpEem9iqN5bpQELXAUnzxjmoQ=; b=dF5Qg1gXHAzEvxJ3D9u9GDHZ4dWoLb4bIlPF0EDCzUjmhVMUx6fzFwa6H36Y/TiiaE skyWMDF9j+OBs1gVMJFyC9c+DFJnHluAqVPGepDelMgLSiw5wGtPhg49rQfTIRGbmxfx Q/dnb14K1doLTdtn1UZPX6OuUzJ/TVFgHu+XU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Nooh40zRKE/DpXleRMkxh1g4S7cIsG5V411Syj+jsefM+BDJauc3GSxsyj2T4TuqdU Z+sgpQOFdaHVkU6GxT4Pec4o4hjSqja0q5dTf+zfrNr84+ubS8Uw/hbqrCgueGyEdZ6y FK4Qo6ixIcxLmXVBbiKbZ9lw/+94DYB5Ga9Hw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.2 with SMTP id u2mr6073006fal.106.1289390104036; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.96.1 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:55:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:55:04 +0200 Message-ID: From: Pico Geyer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: CPIO compatibility with Freebsd 8[.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:22:58 -0000 Hi all. I recently noticed that I could not extract a cpio archive that I have on my Freebsd 8.0 machine. I thought that the archive might be corrupt so I compared the md5sum to a backup that I have and it was fine. I then tried to extract the archive on Freebsd 7.2 and it extracted without problems. I then tried on a Freebsd 8.1 system and I get the errors again. My archive is actually the output of a nanobsd build that someone created for me. So as root I do > cpio -i < ../_.fsimg And as the output shows it can't create many files. usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.py: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.py' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyo: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyo' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo' usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc: Can't create 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc' [snip] Does anyone know why this might be happening? Are there compatibility changes with cpio? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Pico From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:24:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C00106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934818FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PG9jP-0001CJ-LF>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:24:51 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PG9jP-0007bh-F6>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:24:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:24:53 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:24:52 -0000 Hello out there, well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some people out here having already taken this step. Any suggestion is appreciated, thanks in advance, Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:29:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A32106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB828FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markimac.fairfx.local (unknown [62.244.179.66]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90A95722C; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4CDA9026.8050709@exonetric.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:26 +0000 From: Mark Blackman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:28 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based > systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in > severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards Hmm, interesting requirement. Sounds like a nice Google SoC project or even something funded. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:29:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575B210656C4 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157418FC0A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so381684qyk.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.236.196 with SMTP id kl4mr7635734qcb.109.1289392191220; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (123-193-5-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw [123.193.5.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t17sm598672qcp.2.2010.11.10.04.29.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:29:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDA90F7.8040300@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:32:55 +0800 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:29:52 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > Hello out there, > > well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux > based systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack > in severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to > setup a kind of Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools > I need for my work. I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is > similar handled like FreeBSD, where I'm able to rebuild the whole > system from sources, not even the the Linux kernel, also the GNU tools > and the packages. Maybe there are some people out here having already > taken this step. > Any suggestion is appreciated, Hi Oliver, PathScale will be offering a GPGPU solution for FreeBSD this year. Please contact me off list if you'd like to dump your plans to use Linux. To answer your original question which seems out of context for here... You could try Gentoo or ARCH linux. ./C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:31:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1C2106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558038FC20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PG9q6-000315-KH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:31:46 +0100 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:31:46 +0100 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:31:46 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:31:34 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:33:47 +0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:31:49 -0000 On 11/10/10 13:24, O. Hartmann wrote: > Hello out there, > > well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based > systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in > severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a > kind of Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need > for my work. I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar > handled like FreeBSD, where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from > sources, not even the the Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the > packages. Maybe there are some people out here having already taken this > step. > Any suggestion is appreciated, I think that the general opinion is that Gentoo has the closest thing to that aspect of FreeBSD. Other than that, IIRC Slackware is also build-friendly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 12:52:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C940C106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820728FC08 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so22100vws.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.177.66 with SMTP id bh2mr479610vcb.203.1289393575542; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (123-193-5-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw [123.193.5.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm160005vbp.4.2010.11.10.04.52.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:52:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDA9660.3070004@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:56:00 +0800 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Blackman References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDA9026.8050709@exonetric.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDA9026.8050709@exonetric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:52:56 -0000 Mark Blackman wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based >> systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in >> severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards > > Hmm, interesting requirement. Sounds like a nice Google SoC project or > even something funded. This project is by far too much for a gsoc student not to mention who would mentor it... People throw around the term "GPGPU/CUDA" too much and don't realize that it breaks down into... 1) Kernel drivers (not ported to FreeBSD - see PSCNV.. There has other related things like drm, firmware. etc) 2) Runtime (do you need CUDA API, OpenCL.. etc) 3) Assembler 4) Code generation (ptx, direct isa.. which can be nv50, nvc0. etc) 5) Programming model (front-end which is typically CUDA/OpenCL or lesser known HMPP) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 13:03:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A80106567A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [82.138.248.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7968FC1D for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markimac.fairfx.local (unknown [62.244.179.66]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C903157004; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4CDA982E.2030400@exonetric.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:03:42 +0000 From: Mark Blackman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDA9026.8050709@exonetric.com> <4CDA9660.3070004@pathscale.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDA9660.3070004@pathscale.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:03:43 -0000 "C. Bergstrm" wrote: > This project is by far too much for a gsoc student not to mention who > would mentor it... People throw around the term "GPGPU/CUDA" too much > and don't realize that it breaks down into... fair point, I assumed it was a simple driver question. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 13:09:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138C61065675 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F208FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so328575gya.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.69 with SMTP id bl5mr5292392icb.443.1289394541108; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (123-193-5-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw [123.193.5.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h28sm158191vcr.19.2010.11.10.05.08.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDA9A26.7050606@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:12:06 +0800 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Blackman References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDA9026.8050709@exonetric.com> <4CDA9660.3070004@pathscale.com> <4CDA982E.2030400@exonetric.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDA982E.2030400@exonetric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:03 -0000 Mark Blackman wrote: > "C. Bergstrm" wrote: >> This project is by far too much for a gsoc student not to mention who >> would mentor it... People throw around the term "GPGPU/CUDA" too much >> and don't realize that it breaks down into... > > fair point, I assumed it was a simple driver question. > We (PathScale and some volunteers) are working on this problem and doing our best.. (without funding or gsoc).. More help would be great, but there's a learning curve few are brave enough to endure. We have published a large amount of documentation [1] and made it as easy as possible, but still need help.. ./C #pathscale - irc.freenode.net (All things compiler and GPGPU welcomed) [1] http://github.com/pathscale/pscnv/wiki From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 13:09:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFED01065670 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9CE8FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so329172gya.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.10.17 with SMTP id 17mr1239003anj.204.1289393196742; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.78.149.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c39sm816903anc.21.2010.11.10.04.46.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:46:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:43:35 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101110092118.000059ff@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101110092118.000059ff@unknown> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011100943.35451.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:09:50 -0000 On Wednesday 10 November 2010 06:21:18 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 04:02:34 +0100 > > "Michael Ross" wrote: > > For Windows OSes there is actually a rather nice tool out there, > > > > http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ > > > > which allows you to script the GUI cross-app. > > Microsoft also have the UI Automation API to script GUI applications. In my humble experience, I think there are 2 distinct aspects to this issue. I use FBSD both as desktop and as server. In practice, I need a GUI for desktop work and none whatsoever for server work. The only time I needed some kind of GUI component on a server was when I wanted to test a VM on it and I wanted the comodity of running VirtualBox console on my desktop. Other than that, the command line is more than enough. OTOH, for the kind of work that I do, having 4 workspaces is absolutely handy. And to be able to switch between these 4 scenarios with the scroll of a middle button is definetly a plus. just my 0,02 cents. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 13:17:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8155A106566C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lsantagostini@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC2E8FC1E for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so784542wya.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:17:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wFpOrVnwQxr5sDt+oIwAFm+A4FPyoejBtW/jfyTfM6E=; b=IJ4U4/27P5BgrP8+ovymtAC8iTi3Zj9jwVxrHqKg98VrGdsOQYAXGEAV6DSTS9zeou dJjZI8Muk97hO9mrCKmhsCD6PZNtvGCV3CbrvuRcAAlwK74XwI9pafDqcgM2wkRK1Yvk iRyfWrj4NBE+7pjO3POOxQbUxC4SsoG30DdLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Fet8gh4xpUTTjQOrkuUodcbfcC9pleOh9VHmhbg/XzR+XSQo7XnpfUPu/HjVWDq7D1 2oL/ota6Ov7zp8nR6ZxSIv4T7bYIhdnDnyBrOlyvRiDaYaWkYZyjheVdwC4ZXfZ/UPAI w/WlZglqmYFNdJg1GexL62U8uM4CK1CGSjLKc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.137.197 with SMTP id x5mr8395723wbt.198.1289395057563; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 05:17:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20407_1289335707_4CD9B39B_20407_70_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C0F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <1065_1289336761_4CD9B7B9_1065_274_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C11@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <10928_1289348362_4CD9E50A_10928_2705_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C1C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:17:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: Leonardo Santagostini To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Nathan Vidican , bluethundr , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:17:40 -0000 Ok, Sorry by the late but yesterday when i went home, 2 of my 3 modems stopped working. One of them, provider problem, the other.... mmmmmmmm so strange, i can get connected in my xp box but no in FreeBSD, lookup deeper i realized that enumeration of the usb port number has changed. I change my ppp.conf according to new usr port number but i was not able to establish de connection, i get NO CARRIER. It was the time i decided go to sleep. Well when i get back to my home i will still probing, and let you know how things are going. Thank for all your support, Regards, Leonardo Santagostini 2010/11/9 Leonardo Santagostini > Ok, > > Here it comes my ppp.conf > > default: > set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command > set timeout 180 > enable dns > accept dns > allow users mjl > add default HISADDR > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 > disable ipv6cp > disable mppe > disable vjcomp > disable acfcomp > disable deflate > disable pred1 > disable protocomp > disable lqr > deny chap > > > > claro: > set device /dev/cuaU6.2 > set phone "*99#" > set authname clarogprs > set authkey clarogprs999 > set dial "ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 5 \ > \"\" \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CSQ OK \ > AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"igprs.claro.com.ar\\\" OK \ > AT+CGACT? OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CGATT? OK \ > AT+COPS? OK \ > ATDT*99# CONNECT" > > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 > add! default HISADDR > > > movistar: > set device /dev/cuaU2.0 > set phone "*99#" > set authname internet > set authkey internet > set dial "ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 5 \ > \"\" \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CSQ OK \ > AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"internet.gprs.unifon.com.ar\\\" OK \ > AT+CGACT? OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CGATT? OK \ > AT+COPS? OK \ > ATDT*99# CONNECT" > set ifaddr 10.0.0.11/0 10.0.0.12/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 > add! default HISADDR > > > personal: > set device /dev/cuaU0.1 > set phone "*99#" > set authname gprs > set authkey gprs > set dial "ABORT BUSY TIMEOUT 5 \ > \"\" \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > ATZ OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CFUN=1 OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CSQ OK \ > AT+CGDCONT=1,\\\"IP\\\",\\\"gprs.personal.com\\\" OK \ > AT+CGACT? OK-AT-OK \ > AT+CGATT? OK \ > AT+COPS? OK \ > ATDT*99# CONNECT" > set ifaddr 10.0.0.21/0 10.0.0.22/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 > add! default HISADDR > > First of all i will try with PF > > It seems to me easier than other clues :-) > > > C-ya > Leonardo Santagostini > > > 2010/11/10 Leonardo Santagostini > > Hello All, in a few moments i will start making some test with the >> suggestions you give me. >> >> I will tell you how things are going. >> >> Thanks all for reply! >> Yours, >> >> Leonardo Santagostini >> >> >> 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten >> >>> Seems out of scope to OP, but cool info nonetheless. I'd like to get my >>> web team to ditch a couple ISA servers for this, but sadly I doubt they >>> will... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bluethundr [mailto:bluethundr@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:42 PM >>> To: Gary Gatten >>> Cc: Leonardo Santagostini; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question >>> >>> This might be worth looking into as well! >>> >>> It's an open source load balancer that was originally developed by >>> yahoo and released into the open source community. It is now a part of >>> the Apache project: >>> >>> http://trafficserver.apache.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: >>> > If three different providers, then to my knowledge you are SOL - mlppp >>> is not an option - unless someone here knows something I don't - which is >>> 100% likely :) >>> > >>> > Now, that said you can configure your routing to split the traffic >>> amongst different connections - so traffic to/from certain hosts use >>> connection A, other hosts use B, etc. You can even get fancy and route >>> based on application and host if you wish. Ci$co calls this Policy Based >>> Routing. I'm not sure if FBSD or another package such as pf allows similar >>> functionality. My guess would be yes - but I don't know anything about >>> that. >>> > >>> > As for "bonding" or aggregating your connections to appear as a single >>> one - not an option AFAIK. >>> > >>> > G >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > From: Leonardo Santagostini [mailto:lsantagostini@gmail.com] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:52 PM >>> > To: Gary Gatten >>> > Cc: Chuck Swiger; Nathan Vidican; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> > Subject: Re: Multiple tun loadbalancing question >>> > >>> > Hello all, >>> > >>> > Im using 3 different providers all from Argentina, Clora, Movistar and >>> Personal. >>> > >>> > Thank you >>> > Leonardo Santagostini >>> > >>> > 2010/11/9 Gary Gatten >> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > Also, may be obvious to point out, but all (3) connections "must" be >>> from the same provider. In the lab you could MAYBE get a stable/usable >>> connection from multiple providers (with just ppp or 'x' encap) by splitting >>> the requests on the egress side - but it's highly unlikely in the real >>> world. In most cases the traffic load is asymmetrical and heavily biased >>> towards ingress traffic, so even if you could get it to "work" - it wouldn't >>> provide much benefit. >>> > >>> > Just curious, what provider are you using? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >
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Two > days ago I noticed that portupgrade itself was updated and that subsequent > packages had troubles updating. > > Here's a sample for a "portupgrade --batch -rav" run: > ... > ===> Building for p5-Set-IntSpan-1.15 > cp IntSpan.pm blib/lib/Set/IntSpan.pm > Manifying blib/man3/Set::IntSpan.3 > ---> Build of math/p5-Set-IntSpan ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:41 > -0700 (consumed 00:00:01) > ---> Updating dependency info > ---> Uninstallation of p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 started at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 > 23:38:45 -0700 > ---> Fixing up dependencies before creating a package > ---> Backing up the old version > ---> Uninstalling the old version > ---> Deinstalling 'p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14' > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > ! p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 (undefined method `nil' for "":String) > ---> Uninstallation of p5-Set-IntSpan-1.14 ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 > 23:38:56 -0700 (consumed 00:00:11) > ---> Upgrade of math/p5-Set-IntSpan ended at: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 23:38:56 > -0700 (consumed 00:00:16) > ... > > It appears as if the deinstall fails for some (at least to me) unknown > reason. p5-Set-IntSpan was not updated and we end up with lots of stale > dependencies that need to be fixed via "pkgdb -F". If I manually do a "make > deinstall reinstall" in the port-directory then the deinstall does not have > any issues. > > Does anybody know where I should be looking for a solution to the > "(undefined method `nil' for "":String)" problem? > > Thanks - Tobias > Just in case somebody faces the same issue. I used "portdowngrade" to revert portupgrade back to version 2.4.6_4 and then things worked as before. Thanks - Tobias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 15:58:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313991065672; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1758FC0C; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so949671wya.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:58:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.142 with SMTP id g14mr8522418wbs.200.1289404732316; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:58:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:58:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:58:51 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rDYcwW_HJBy8aDhV-I-TOUmXdxw Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Ivan Voras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:58:54 -0000 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 11/10/10 13:24, O. Hartmann wrote: >> Hello out there, >> [...] > > I think that the general opinion is that Gentoo has the closest thing to > that aspect of FreeBSD. Other than that, IIRC Slackware is also > build-friendly. > Slackware is actually the most similar to FBSD IMHO From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 16:13:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B77106564A; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D758FC19; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so402288eyb.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.147 with SMTP id t19mr3924121ebo.5.1289405629678; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:13:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:13:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> From: Chris Brennan Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: Alejandro Imass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:13:52 -0000 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > > On 11/10/10 13:24, O. Hartmann wrote: > >> Hello out there, > >> > [...] > > > > I think that the general opinion is that Gentoo has the closest thing to > > that aspect of FreeBSD. Other than that, IIRC Slackware is also > > build-friendly. > > > > Slackware is actually the most similar to FBSD IMHO > > I used Slackware for years ... there thing is Vanilla. They don't do things BSDish all that much although some practices are borrowed from BSD. But on the other hand they don't follow most GNU Conventions either .... to them, it's a logical order of things, in some ways that's good, but it's hard to get used to. Gentoo is probably the closest thing to *BSD on many aspects. Most notable is portage. It functions just like Ports but doesn't rely on BSD Makefiles but Gentooized BASH scripts. The fundamental principles are the same though. In some regards you could relate Slackware's binary packages to FreeBSD's binary package system but not nearly as well developed. Slackware packages are almost never up to date and are oft times broke in some way. There is also no dependency checking in Slackware. Portage at least does that for you. IIRC Arch Documentation was flaky (or at least it was a few years ago when I felt the need to play with it). If your looking for a Binary Base and build your own apps on top of that, you can check out Slackware. If you want a complete Meta-distribution where you build everything from source then Gentoo would be your best bet. It's very well documented and supported. It's also reasonably easy to use/maintain. Just takes some getting used to. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 16:14:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C6E1065695 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21F58FC1C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywj3 with SMTP id 3so491251ywj.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:14:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cgF5zCTlCd3fAy+Chc99LmUDNgy6Kw3eLKkKo+wWxjg=; b=GqBROviEV2PP+gH5fyF3IcP1Bb+x0g5TiROfbKJfTa4g675GiZ6BnOyoCd9jsMS7Xf q+mzakgNntlt8GozwzBGtejqkgkuzq45ADq1C6O1xAgh+j3MCM7PgM74RWtFf8j54c0B F0H3p6qgfVULnZiX9PNR2LheXcjIptg6bpc2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=BPso1GqQ31oD6NRIYDzWjEn2fYGZ1/EdbDJQ5sOp5HCcjiJstWqIla+Du0M9pwMhCW +gr1qQk+y9OpTXQFuNU5iQoqajg+6WiZ0lQsDdj9lvewnLIeRW6fSnXHLrh19XtBwIwM Se6/mJaM/7rn3HjsWsAbe4JiVKdyqIos2ncEs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.130 with SMTP id m2mr8423120bkg.111.1289405678989; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:14:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: bluethundr To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Problems Hooking Sudoers into PAM/LDAP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:14:42 -0000 Hey list!! I am attempting to solve a rather thorny issue and I was hoping that someone might have some insight into what is going on here.. At this point I have an openLDAP server that is working quite splendidly! :) I have a working directory with users able to authenticate it and TLS turned on and it is ALL happening through PAM!! Well almost all of it.. The one sticking point I am currently having is getting sudoers to authenticate against LDAP. The server is FreeBSD 8.1 but the clients are all CentOS 5.4. Although, knowing this shouldn't make much difference in how this works AFAIK. On the client I have my /etc/ldap.conf file setup like this: URI ldap://ldap.acadaca.net/ BASE dc=acadaca,dc=net TLS_CACERTDIR /etc/openldap/cacerts pam_login_attribute uid pam_lookup_policy yes pam_password exop nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net sudoers_debug 2 I have added the user I am testing to a couple of groups (two regular DNs and one posixGroup) all of which had the sudoRole objectClass in the hopes that this might be related to the issue: 46 cn=%sa,ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: top objectClass: sudoRole cn: %sa sudoHost: ALL sudoRunAsUser: ALL sudoCommand: ALL sudoOption: !authenticate sudoUser: %sa sudoUser: bluethundr 50 cn=role1,ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: sudoRole objectClass: top cn: role1 sudoUser: bluethundr sudoHost: ALL sudoCommand: ALL 51 cn=sa,ou=Group,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: top cn: sa userPassword: {crypt}* gidNumber: 20004 However that didn't seem to do the trick. When I do attempt to sudo from the client machine this is what I see on the command line: [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#sudo bash [sudo] password for bluethundr: bluethundr is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#sudo -l [sudo] password for bluethundr: Sorry, user bluethundr may not run sudo on VIRCENT03. Also I notice that the client can't seem to find it's groups stored in LDAP even tho I would think that system auth would point sudoers to them just as it does sshd and su. [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#groups bluethundr id: cannot find name for group ID 1002 I am not entirely sure that this is a separate issue, honestly but I think it may be related. The other pam services I am working with, su and sshd, trigger events in the openldap logs on the server. Everything is going smoothly with these services, apparently: In the openldap logs on the server here is a sample of what I see: Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: bdb_search_candidates: id=1 first=54 last=54 Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: AND Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter_and Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: EQUALITY Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => access_allowed: search access to "uid=bluethundr,ou=sa,ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net" "objectClass" requested Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_get: [1] attr objectClass Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_mask: access to entry "uid=bluethundr,ou=sa,ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net", attr "objectClass" requested Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_mask: to value by "", (=0) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: <= acl_mask: [1] applying read(=rscxd) (stop) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: <= acl_mask: [1] mask: read(=rscxd) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => access_allowed: search access granted by read(=rscxd) More complete logs that I hope will provide a bit more context can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/openldap.txt What I've done was clear the openldap logs with an echo " " > statement just before sudoing to root on the client. Honestly, I wish I was better at parsing these log files but unfortunately I'm not quite there as of yet. :( Back on the client side I see this noticeable event, amongst quite a lot of successful pam events in the secure log: Nov 9 15:37:39 VIRCENT03 sudo: bluethundr : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/home/bluethundr ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/bash A more complete version of the secure log can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/securelogs.txt And lastly a copy of the schema that I am working with can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/schema.txt Best regards, and thanks for your help!! -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 16:43:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DACB1065693 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bluethundr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12748FC27 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so513360gxk.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:43:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I2h3kgQLluHwjRxtBCJl0Lb1qzKLUf1VOeCiMiMd2B4=; b=ZtYGX449nlKdcPk0eFBBB8PrwCyLHk6bg+fh+WnxkIkNHcuDb8vUfCkRc5Rqjq5tnd 5H3LWPsE11ZC2CLdkA1BcQnorCnnbgBAMe5gmVUvcPnhXl9p7eXQHbhnJmks2ZbUheX4 VeSBk4xXvEd94nN8OMOHfVichh6V9P15lOX9w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=PY1d43GqNsCTSFjkFIm0zxjBVkY332ZOMVMTSP3BtiiGdsANQWg2mEF9UWpMQfwNzD MSI++54biw4eE1LGew8c3Z5jVz4K16+YIaklH4+EGPmUUUxQtaqKUUFz3SUQR0fToCZw oHewwDYo2M+UJ199B72TK2NgS5SabttL5wXU0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.53.130 with SMTP id m2mr8468340bkg.111.1289407392439; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.81.153 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:43:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: bluethundr To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Problems Hooking Sudoers into PAM/LDAP (corrected post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:43:14 -0000 Hey list!! Sorry for the accidentally truncated post I sent a little while ago...heh! That was actually the result of a fat-fingered copy-paste... At any rate, I am attempting to solve a rather thorny issue and I was hoping that someone might have some insight into what is going on here.. At this point I have an openLDAP server that is working quite splendidly! :) I have a working directory with users able to authenticate it and TLS turned on and it is ALL happening through PAM!! Well almost all of it.. The one sticking point I am currently having is getting sudoers to authenticate against LDAP. The server is FreeBSD 8.1 but the clients are all CentOS 5.4. Although, knowing this shouldn't make much difference in how this works AFAIK. On the client I have my /etc/ldap.conf file setup like this: URI ldap://ldap.acadaca.net/ BASE dc=acadaca,dc=net TLS_CACERTDIR /etc/openldap/cacerts pam_login_attribute uid pam_lookup_policy yes pam_password exop nss_base_passwd ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net sudoers_debug 2 I have added the user I am testing to a couple of groups (two regular DNs and one posixGroup) all of which had the sudoRole objectClass in the hopes that this might be related to the issue: 46 cn=%sa,ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: top objectClass: sudoRole cn: %sa sudoHost: ALL sudoRunAsUser: ALL sudoCommand: ALL sudoOption: !authenticate sudoUser: %sa sudoUser: bluethundr 50 cn=role1,ou=sudoers,ou=Services,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: sudoRole objectClass: top cn: role1 sudoUser: bluethundr sudoHost: ALL sudoCommand: ALL 51 cn=sa,ou=Group,dc=acadaca,dc=net objectClass: posixGroup objectClass: top cn: sa userPassword: {crypt}* gidNumber: 20004 However that didn't seem to do the trick. When I do attempt to sudo from the client machine this is what I see on the command line: [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#sudo bash [sudo] password for bluethundr: bluethundr is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#sudo -l [sudo] password for bluethundr: Sorry, user bluethundr may not run sudo on VIRCENT03. Also I notice that the client can't seem to find it's groups stored in LDAP even tho I would think that system auth would point sudoers to them just as it does sshd and su. [bluethundr@VIRCENT03:~]#groups bluethundr id: cannot find name for group ID 1002 I am not entirely sure that this is a separate issue, honestly but I think it may be related. The other pam services I am working with, su and sshd, trigger events in the openldap logs on the server. Everything is going smoothly with these services, apparently: In the openldap logs on the server here is a sample of what I see: Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: bdb_search_candidates: id=1 first=54 last=54 Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: AND Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter_and Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => test_filter Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: EQUALITY Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => access_allowed: search access to "uid=bluethundr,ou=sa,ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net" "objectClass" requested Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_get: [1] attr objectClass Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_mask: access to entry "uid=bluethundr,ou=sa,ou=staff,dc=acadaca,dc=net", attr "objectClass" requested Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => acl_mask: to value by "", (=0) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: <= acl_mask: [1] applying read(=rscxd) (stop) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: <= acl_mask: [1] mask: read(=rscxd) Nov 9 14:03:56 ldap slapd[31269]: => access_allowed: search access granted by read(=rscxd) More complete logs that I hope will provide a bit more context can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/openldap.txt What I've done was clear the openldap logs with an echo " " > statement just before sudoing to root on the client. Honestly, I wish I was better at parsing these log files but unfortunately I'm not quite there as of yet. :( Back on the client side I see this noticeable event, amongst quite a lot of successful pam events in the secure log: Nov 9 15:37:39 VIRCENT03 sudo: bluethundr : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=pts/3 ; PWD=/home/bluethundr ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/bash A more complete version of the secure log can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/securelogs.txt And here is my (surprisingly verbose) sudo -V output: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/sudov.txt And lastly a copy of the schema that I am working with can be found here: http://ldap.acadaca.net/docs/schema.txt Best regards, and thanks for your help!! -- Here's my RSA Public key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5A4873A9 Share and enjoy!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 17:00:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C437B1065674 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522A08FC1D for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAAH0sO3023477 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:00:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAAH0svf023476 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:00:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:00:54 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:00:56 -0000 --dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm looking for workarounds for this crappy situation which currently prevents FreeBSD8 from working together with libgssapi (see kern/147454) and multiple threads on -questions. What i tried:=20 - Use old RELENG_8 and RELENG_8_1 sources where Benjamin's patch still applied. (Can't build world then). - Modify /usr/bin/krb5-config to include -lgssapi_spnego -lgssapi_krb5 at the right place (works on some machines). What i didn't try: - Use the port. How are you handling this situation. Does anyone know a cvs tag=3D and date=3D combination which lets you build world with Benjamin's patch (tried RELENG_8 and _8_1 from 24.6 and 19.7 and now)? Actually a complete base kerberos would be much appreciated. best regards, Leon --dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzaz8UACgkQJCh4HSRvNnzMaQCeJ5bmzDsx98Qr+fljH0Kq3g83 n3oAnRbXkaRj6rBqsjgezsCY3RvLGpS6 =juzP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 17:54:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FAB106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1BC8FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGEj6-00044s-Rv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:44:54 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:54:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:54:21 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101110175420.GA23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:54:28 -0000 --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Rob Farmer on Tuesday, 09 November 2010: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi wr= ote: > > A GUI provids a =A0_fixed_ set of predefined operations that it is poss= ible to > > perform. > > > > IF your needs are met =3Dentirely=3D by the provided operations, great.= =A0If not, > > you're dead in the water, without any way to accomplish the task. >=20 > How is this different from the command line? If I have a set of data > and want to sort it in a way that "sort" doesn't have an argument for, > I'm just as dead in the water as with the GUI. In fact, with the GUI I > am probably better off because I can see that this is not supported > within the program, without having to use the documentation. I don't know how anyone who has done much automation could say such a thing. Command lines and pipes offer an exponentially greater set of possibilities than could ever be presented in a GUI. I don't know about others, but I spent many years being pro-GUI. I led the charge for getting software companies to port their applications to Windows and use IDEs for development. It is only recently that I have come to my senses. I should have known better. Back in the 80s when I worked on tax preparation software, the marketing department wanted a more demoable UI. So we put a ton of time into creating an interface that looked like the IRS forms, instead of the one we had where the user keyed in a code that indicated what line on what form they wanted to input, followed by the input itself. When we released this, the marketing department loved it, our customers' higher-ups thought it was nice, but the actual input operators hated it. They were evaluated on how much data they could enter, not on their enjoyment of the task. >=20 > > > > GUIs are great for the casual user, because they provide a consistent '= look&feel' > > acrross the spectrum of apps available under them, and, _generally_ wha= t you > > learn =A0from using one application 'generalizes' to any other app that= runs under > > the same GUI. > > > > OTOH, a GUI is the worst thing in the world for 'production' use. =A0It= absolutely > > _kills_ productivity for production tasks. =A0Automation for productivi= ty _REQUIRES_ > > a complete/comprehensive command =A0language. > > > > With a command language, you can 'automate' a series of operations by s= imply > > listing the commands in a file, and feeding that file to the command-pr= ocessor > > input. > > > > With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse 'motions'/'c= licks'/ > > 'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. > > 'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button,= may be > > 'repositioned' at will. > > > > An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command= language, > > but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it does= n't > > 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any ot= her app) > > *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves mor= e than > > the single app. >=20 > The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get > input into a program? >=20 > Some can open files on their own and the file is listed as an argument > (app input) > Some have a flag for input, which of course isn't consistent (app -in inp= ut) > Some have multiple flags for input, but which ones work depends on the > platform/implementation (such as GNU long flags) > Some need it provided to stdin > Some can process multiple types of input and are smart enough to > figure it out on their own while others need to be told what format > they are being given > Some can do multiple unrelated things in one instance (file a b) while > others can't (date +"%H" +"%M") > Some have historic idiosyncrasies, such as tar defaulting to a tape drive > Some have other strangeness, like java using aaa.class as input but > wanting you to list it without the .class extension, whilst javac > needs the .java extension > Some are just unusual for no obvious reason, like dd's xx=3Dyy thing > etc. >=20 > On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File > > Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same > everywhere. >=20 > > > > Years ago, I worked at a place that, among other things, produced a ref= erence > > manual of statistical data for our cusotmers. =A0About 800 pages of tab= ular data, > > practically all of it updated on a staggered, monthly basis. =A0In the = 'early' > > days (MS-DOS vintage, before 'windows'), =A0each table was kept in a se= parate > > spreadsheet, which _did_ require the redundant entry of a _small_ amoun= t of > > the data. OTOH two (or more) differnt people could be updatdin differen= t paes > > simultaneously, regardless of whether or not they were 'related'. =A0An= d, at > > the end of the week, when it was time to send out the weeks 'updates' t= o the > > customers, =A0we had a simple little '.BAT file, each line of which; (a= ) invoked > > the spreadsheet =A0(b) specified the spreadsheet file to use, and (c) i= nvoked > > a 'start-up macro' that printed the contents of the spreadseet, and exi= ted > > the program. =A0Thus, on 'publication' day it was just type in the name= of the > > '.BAT file and everthing got printed. =A0It took an hour or two -- of _= machine_time_ > > that is, but _zero_ human intervention. > > > > Fast forward a few years, =A0a new-hire analyist (in a senior capacity)= felt > > humiliated at having to use this 'old' technology (they had Windows at = his > > prior employer), and made a big enough stink about it that the shop upg= raded > > to Windows just to keep him happy. He proceeds to bundle all 'his' spre= adsheets > > into a single workbook, so that only one person can be working on any o= f them > > at any given time, and, on 'publication day', somebody had to sit there= and > > click on each relevant/changed =A0sheet in the workbook, click on' file= ', click > > on print, select the page to print, and click 'doit'. =A0 What a *wonde= rful* > > productivity increase!! =A0We've now got a system that requires a -huma= n- to > > play babysitttr the machine. =A0For a couple of -hours- every week. =A0= all to save > > the complainer from having to enter a few numbers redundantly. >=20 > This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format > changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the > original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. >=20 > However, it still points out one of the biggest problems with the CLI > - there is a barrier to entry in knowing what commands to run with > what arguments to make everything work the way you want. File > Print > was easy for your office staff to figure out. The CLI equivalent > apparently wasn't. Perhaps a barrier to entry is a good thing for those who don't know what they're doing. >=20 > I think many here are underestimating the value of GUIs, because they > have been running many of these traditional UNIX commands for years > (or decades) and are also technically oriented enough that learning > them in the first place wasn't a big deal. >=20 > --=20 > Rob Farmer > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM2txKAAoJEIpckszW26+RYokH/RPdYpdkp+lE7jfJRSM8oFLP rnWZ/o2XacnexHRM/timRx7Om4x0wYFemVdDpOahWFUYhzmYMuUs0Ir5uKC0eXDk FLuwwya4B4+8UE5mBk+EzuCTsElJUuuUn5VAeWS+55p5yzS0wlr+XTJ6N8pi4psG QZDGe6j4Ci+KWkjXgIVXK3nGa++A08H6WRBlq1eVRoCAxFKz1VBqoJ00wrPAZ/OJ zTf56UFMYrlV7WkyWGma8w9wy2asBhhK7qQbkszqNl9WYnU7EnfBtTU/aK9gUOy+ HfDZlfGBXCaaTicG3dB2oUbXYvjWbfdDyHJGMxNf9m/8OqLmzLb513t0NtfavHs= =b3uJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 17:57:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DB7106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1A48FC0A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGElv-00052H-Lr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:47:49 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101110175717.GB23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:57:22 -0000 --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Michael Ross on Wednesday, 10 November 2010: > Am 10.11.2010, 01:09 Uhr, schrieb Robert Bonomi : >=20 > >With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse =20 > >'motions'/'clicks'/ > >'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. > >'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button, = =20 > >may be > >'repositioned' at will. > > > >An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command = =20 > >language, > >but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it =20 > >doesn't > >'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any =20 > >other app) > >*AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves more= =20 > >than > >the single app. >=20 > For Windows OSes there is actually a rather nice tool out there, >=20 > http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ >=20 > which allows you to script the GUI cross-app. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Michael >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Yes, there are a number of tools that allow one to script a GUI, many of which do not require knowledge of exactly where Gui element is located. However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way to do it. It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of abstraction (the UI), and then working around it. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM2tz7AAoJEIpckszW26+RrHgH/iZ/FieSfWwB36XDTxSxFW4M gFMv+W3wnXDrCyfXIdTyLzEufflv1PTKSOiOpAigkkI58+H8hvYxQDUopmU5tfme DLgaAiqeb4aCLZ0bq7fFl9wxrQEa2d6UTkUBrc+n7VRLfjMbIS/cJ879ckfj2eYv QQi6ne/7vemcuisGB6mAPENfFxerOOnDbHpJ67DJ9ReuGWJXPWT7rq//FhmVLVU8 r09pMC/O3LcRTM0Yd7/HVUbRAizojhBBk+nbXrEF31JY5/DPYuqTD8lxSy7a44EQ +urEtJEtZcfber47FURD6hxjeAyzKB5lLrD5Ey3fJQxwsDYV0tq9sEWAocI7gZc= =CJ2H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:07:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8CF10656CB for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from appdebgr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3868FC08 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so696976qyk.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:07:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hNXRjG27Zr8BGsIrb/+xeejlPhUoKuYPSwE8kxHLDq8=; b=NBVIduhPOt340wFfHk/Al+QPjgQi/c2daASq06FqEswxF89AdarrL/yxwA4ejmV6ah muFcsBiPF9hTJuzbqZOGsAzwxNJrW0OD8RA1h1AhISbE//Va+JUzYuHH5/0s+syyUH7/ 81YPLHL9htc1AVdPAo7VQftDDqAkho2RPPsq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=dFmBpSOTW/todLz1fq7jMYv6OgQaay9EuZl9DI7t0642wqsU/3ayA5FIo2nIeSLOqQ 7xX5j7PrnPKKK+hpCeAEsm79nuYw0gMK6EaKqlwF25FKysfosa6Rjzk/gwKHgZ+49FH7 KF6DXJbUTlAtSIGNBrJdfoc2hsy3NRVsxO1qg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.210.194 with SMTP id gl2mr6382128qab.13.1289412468482; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.88.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:07:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:07:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: App Deb To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:07:49 -0000 2010/11/10 O. Hartmann : > Hello out there, > > well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based > systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe > support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of > Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. > I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, > where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the > Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some > people out here having already taken this step. > Any suggestion is appreciated, The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux compatibilty. So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:09:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BCE106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BACA8FC12 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EA4E721C; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:15 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chip Camden Message-ID: <20101110180915.00005202@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101110175717.GB23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101110175717.GB23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:09:19 -0000 On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 Chip Camden wrote: > However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running > automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way > to do it. It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of > abstraction (the UI), and then working around it. This is why at least on Windows there's often a C/COM/.NET API that allows the same level of control that the GUI provides, so that customers can automate tasks. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:17:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28FE106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677328FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1020697bwz.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.60.212 with SMTP id q20mr8686702bkh.104.1289413020867; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (123-193-5-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw [123.193.5.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j14sm467702faa.47.2010.11.10.10.16.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:16:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDAE252.1060805@pathscale.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:20:02 +0800 From: =?UTF-8?B?IkMuIEJlcmdzdHLDtm0i?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: App Deb References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:17:02 -0000 App Deb wrote: > 2010/11/10 O. Hartmann : > >> Hello out there, >> >> well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based >> systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe >> support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of >> Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. >> I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, >> where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the >> Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some >> people out here having already taken this step. >> Any suggestion is appreciated, >> > > The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux compatibilty. > > So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. > Have you tested this first hand? Is there 32bit Fermi? (Sorry, but I don't think the HPC world can really live off 32bit applications) There's 2 types of code in a "cuda application" there's host code produced by the native compiler (gcc/intel/pathscale.. etc) and the device code.. produced by nvidia's toolchain.. I would make a pretty nice bet that the nvidia userland toolchain will not compile code on freebsd right now.. (not be negative here, but I'm intimately familiar with it..) Worse case you'd be copying code built on linux over and also the runtime libs.. (not to mention debugger, profiler. etc) Anyway.. as mentioned before we'll have a native working solution before the years end and anyone interested to help alpha/beta test is welcome to contact me offlist.. ./C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:22:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95461065670 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812318FC25 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so61450ywa.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:22:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ng07MmSZZ0ikSx8Himmoy6WB+HgCIw0PxKDiM7V0K6c=; b=wit0ra/cspgf7JtOH1ej0/UDEfcQeEsAshuXirIetGMheik5VPB9exmguz5D0bxVZF d87te85P76ACvwe1CiH2eT9YwA1amnIj89mG0F9Ze6k2esd/nLcduq473NHTZM9f8S5l gwjQBZrFiwoDXCqzDXUwjfJBTUWe0i5CiU2Ko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=KUuL1MLtLPOTokqWf2IKLai6gOR6mbdHxjtxz7l2J0w0nFRly73c0QnWwWgk0ryeFI 22lsRWI662U5iAK8+nKninu+ItFwZMFnkK/4hQLcUCjSGWOUB9pRYpOP2xG33l21TVLb EHBhPCqA+XE4IGSRlyPb1dPXt1Zjg4wNfGRyE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr5121044bkq.82.1289413366791; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.118.194 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:22:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDAE252.1060805@pathscale.com> References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAE252.1060805@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:22:48 -0000 I am interested to use CUDA as well for a scientific environment. What abou= t CUDA 64bit on FreeBSD? Is it excluded completely because of the lack of support for Linux 64bit emulation? Thanks! 2010/11/10 "C. Bergstr=F6m" > App Deb wrote: > >> 2010/11/10 O. Hartmann : >> >> >>> Hello out there, >>> >>> well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux base= d >>> systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in seve= re >>> support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of >>> Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my >>> work. >>> I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like >>> FreeBSD, >>> where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the t= he >>> Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some >>> people out here having already taken this step. >>> Any suggestion is appreciated, >>> >>> >> >> The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux >> compatibilty. >> >> So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. >> >> > Have you tested this first hand? > > Is there 32bit Fermi? (Sorry, but I don't think the HPC world can really > live off 32bit applications) > > There's 2 types of code in a "cuda application" there's host code produce= d > by the native compiler (gcc/intel/pathscale.. etc) and the device code.. > produced by nvidia's toolchain.. I would make a pretty nice bet that the > nvidia userland toolchain will not compile code on freebsd right now.. (= not > be negative here, but I'm intimately familiar with it..) Worse case you'= d > be copying code built on linux over and also the runtime libs.. (not to > mention debugger, profiler. etc) > > Anyway.. as mentioned before we'll have a native working solution before > the years end and anyone interested to help alpha/beta test is welcome to > contact me offlist.. > > ./C > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:28:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4B51065670 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from appdebgr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841008FC20 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so123897qwj.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:28:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+PsTW1ACz0xLxIieTcHv+kD+saJBr/SNQgRfTJFY2uQ=; b=oxT6R/LnsUw3Ia6ZsVjMuiiypCeimsqKHjRm5YNIWVsy90iFmm+9otu65HcAsrF108 HhlG0aSraWTDZ5yh5JuzDgnM9CcjWyJLxfOAj8Atkc+G7MxDE8lkdytKhHsWHUo6V+0d iamoFS41i9oHb02G89kIyIVjZvLSKmvSGY7Ow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SJsuscxVSc6XDbPcBjd35GFF1+quaGRrHKxdVyod6fRK0rPLkxY2VemaSHKfyPMnkW va/F43aVGHA7LCy7Y82Fv6vxYqi5qcKwwE+ndv9QBJpffSPxqAtpysNbAgLCCH3TMFvl +wsG6IbDKfIHukkN4jcsEPNHeCrdWfVG0yCFQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.9 with SMTP id v9mr128175qad.63.1289413713736; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.88.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:28:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDAE252.1060805@pathscale.com> References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAE252.1060805@pathscale.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:28:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: App Deb To: =?UTF-8?Q?C=2E_Bergstr=C3=B6m?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:28:35 -0000 2010/11/10 "C. Bergstr=C3=B6m" : > App Deb wrote: >> >> 2010/11/10 O. Hartmann : >> >>> >>> Hello out there, >>> >>> well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux base= d >>> systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in seve= re >>> support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of >>> Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my >>> work. >>> I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like >>> FreeBSD, >>> where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the t= he >>> Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some >>> people out here having already taken this step. >>> Any suggestion is appreciated, >>> >> >> The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux >> compatibilty. >> >> So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. >> > > Have you tested this first hand? > > Is there 32bit Fermi? =C2=A0(Sorry, but I don't think the HPC world can r= eally > live off 32bit applications) > > There's 2 types of code in a "cuda application" there's host code produce= d > by the native compiler (gcc/intel/pathscale.. etc) and the device code.. > produced by nvidia's toolchain.. =C2=A0I would make a pretty nice bet tha= t the > nvidia userland toolchain will not compile code on freebsd right now.. = =C2=A0(not > be negative here, but I'm intimately familiar with it..) =C2=A0Worse case= you'd > be copying code built on linux over and also the runtime libs.. =C2=A0(no= t to > mention debugger, profiler. etc) > > Anyway.. as mentioned before we'll have a native working solution before = the > years end and anyone interested to help alpha/beta test is welcome to > contact me offlist.. > > ./C > No sorry I don't have any experience with cuda. I have only tested this: http://cuda-z.sourceforge.net/ And the linux binary seems to recognize everything under FreeBSD (linuxulator + nvidia). You will probably need to setup a linux toolchain to do the work. I know this is not a good solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 18:33:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ED41065696 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@smartt.com) Received: from mailout2.smartt.com (mailout2.smartt.com [69.67.187.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2475F8FC18 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [69.31.174.220] (chris-workstation.smartt.com [69.31.174.220]) by mailout2.smartt.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5E9EF10E4A0 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:14:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDAE141.8000600@smartt.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:15:29 -0800 From: Chris St Denis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: UFS Snapshots and iowait X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:33:43 -0000 I have started using "mount -u -o snapshot" as part of my backup process in order to have a week worth of local differential backups to allow quick and easy recovery of lost/overwritten/etc files. The snapshot of the partition (~250G and 2.3 million inodes used. ~10GB of data change per day) takes around 10 minutes to complete. During the first 5 minutes everything seems to be find, but during the second 5 minutes the Apache processes that are logging to this drive start building up in L (logging) state until they hit MaxClients. Is this just due to the very high io bandwidth usage associated with making a snapshot, or does the creation of this snapshot completely block IO writes for around 5 minutes? Any suggested workarounds? I already bumped up the number of Apache slots to 166% but it looks like I would have to increase the number much more to use that as a primary solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 19:06:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E521065694 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701C38FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PGFzk-0006eO-9U>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:06:08 +0100 Received: from e178026090.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.26.90] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PGFzk-00008m-5E>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDAED1F.7090909@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:06:07 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: App Deb References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 85.178.26.90 Cc: "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:06:09 -0000 On 11/10/10 19:07, App Deb wrote: > 2010/11/10 O. Hartmann: >> Hello out there, >> >> well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based >> systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe >> support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of >> Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. >> I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, >> where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the >> Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some >> people out here having already taken this step. >> Any suggestion is appreciated, > > The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux compatibilty. > > So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. Well, 32-Bit isn't realistic in a scientific environment! There are some 'tricks' and 'tweaks' out making CUDA working on FreeBSD with Linux binaries, but, simply for instance, portions of our computing system rely on OpenLDAP and I do have severe problems making OpenLDAP authorised users available to some IDL applications running on FreeBSD boxes within the linuxulator. This is only one small but very effective trap one can step into. There are some other, very serious questions. AMD calims that they made the specs of their 3D chipset internals public. There is OpenCL as an open standard, there is the CLANG/LLVM project even for FreeBSD to become the new standard compiler and, not at last, there is work done on drivers for AMD graphics boards but there is no, not even rudimentary, support for GPGPU. I preferr a clean open source solution, but at the moment, it seems to be the best and easiest path to switch to an operating system that is fully supported, even 64 bit. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 19:12:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7A7106564A for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cbergstrom@pathscale.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFEA8FC0C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so663005gxk.13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.103.76 with SMTP id j12mr8615052bko.91.1289416357535; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (123-193-5-149.dynamic.kbronet.com.tw [123.193.5.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm540351bkf.12.2010.11.10.11.12.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:12:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CDAEF60.1090403@pathscale.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 03:15:44 +0800 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAED1F.7090909@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4CDAED1F.7090909@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: App Deb , "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:12:39 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > >> The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux >> compatibilty. >> >> So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. > > There are some other, very serious questions. AMD calims that they > made the specs of their 3D chipset internals public. The docs had big missing chunks which I tried to get clarification on and got some help and then it just one day stopped > There is OpenCL as an open standard Try to find the validation test suite.. ($$$) > , there is the CLANG/LLVM project even for FreeBSD Apple licenses it and doesn't publish all opencl work. (or I think may not even contribute to the opencl side at all anymore.. someone correct me) > to become the new standard compiler and, not at last, there is work > done on drivers for AMD graphics boards but there is no, not even > rudimentary, support for GPGPU. I preferr a clean open source > solution, but at the moment, it seems to be the best and easiest path > to switch to an operating system that is fully supported, even 64 bit. Side question - Why care in the least bit about AMD? Their hw sucks and their software is a joke.. (if you bought Evergreen I'm sorry..) There's no such thing as a complete open source GPGPU solution as of today (to the best of my knowledge) ./C From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 20:03:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850AA106566B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (smtprelay-h22.telenor.se [195.54.99.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC0A8FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAA9C08E for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:43:09 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Als4ANqE2kxT4+F5PGdsb2JhbACBb5Nvg1uIfAwBAQEBNS2+W4VKBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,179,1288566000"; d="scan'208,217";a="150287377" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2010 20:43:08 +0100 Received: from Obah ([192.168.1.100]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAAJh7sb001958 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:43:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:42:59 +0100 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <000001cb810f$7e3387f0$7a9a97d0$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcuBC0mdPomnBiPtTdica6HoyIyJdAABCPsA Content-Language: sv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: VS: Problems updating IonCube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:03:21 -0000 Fra: Hasse Hansson [mailto:hasse@thorshammare.org] Sendt: den 10 november 2010 20:13 Til: 'owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Emne: Problems updating IonCube Hello all This is what's happening when I try to update devel/ioncube ------------------------------------------------- odin# portupgrade -r ioncube ---> Upgrading 'ioncube-3.3.19' to 'ioncube-4.0.1' (devel/ioncube) ---> Building '/usr/ports/devel/ioncube' ===> Cleaning for ioncube-4.0.1 ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Extracting for ioncube-4.0.1 => SHA256 Checksum mismatch for ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz. ===> Refetch for 1 more times files: ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE => ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. => Attempting to fetch from http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/. fetch: http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar .gz: Requested Range Not Satisfiable => Attempting to fetch from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/. fetch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar. gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 0 => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86. tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 2737048 => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20101110-27671-zakjfx-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=portupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=ioncube-3.3.19 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=3.3.19 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! devel/ioncube (ioncube-3.3.19) (checksum mismatch) Any tips ? Best Regards Hasse Hansson From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 22:55:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464B11065673 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) Received: from smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (smtprelay-b11.telenor.se [62.127.194.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDC88FC13 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipb4.telenor.se (ipb4.telenor.se [195.54.127.167]) by smtprelay-b11.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9841EBA78 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:13 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [83.227.225.121] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AocvAGGx2kxT4+F5PGdsb2JhbACVX4xXDAEBAQE1Lb88hUoE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,180,1288566000"; d="scan'208";a="1690634251" Received: from ua-83-227-225-121.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO odin.thorshammare.org) ([83.227.225.121]) by ipb4.telenor.se with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2010 23:55:13 +0100 Received: from Obah ([192.168.1.100]) by odin.thorshammare.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAAMtBXd009831; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hasse@thorshammare.org) From: "Hasse Hansson" To: "'Hasse Hansson'" , References: <000001cb810f$7e3387f0$7a9a97d0$@org> In-Reply-To: <000001cb810f$7e3387f0$7a9a97d0$@org> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:02 +0100 Organization: The Valhalla Project Message-ID: <000001cb812a$52a9cb60$f7fd6220$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcuBC0mdPomnBiPtTdica6HoyIyJdAABCPsAAAZ7yeA= Content-Language: sv Cc: Subject: SV: Problems updating IonCube X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:16 -0000 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] P=E5 vegne af Hasse Hansson Sendt: den 10 november 2010 20:43 Til: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Emne: VS: Problems updating IonCube =20 =20 Fra: Hasse Hansson [mailto:hasse@thorshammare.org]=20 Sendt: den 10 november 2010 20:13 Til: 'owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org' Emne: Problems updating IonCube =20 Hello all =20 This is what's happening when I try to update devel/ioncube ------------------------------------------------- odin# portupgrade -r ioncube ---> Upgrading 'ioncube-3.3.19' to 'ioncube-4.0.1' (devel/ioncube) ---> Building '/usr/ports/devel/ioncube' =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D> SHA256 Checksum mismatch for ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz. =3D=3D=3D> Refetch for 1 more times files: = ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz =3D=3D=3D> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE =3D> ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. =3D> Attempting to fetch from = http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/. fetch: http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.= tar .gz: Requested Range Not Satisfiable =3D> Attempting to fetch from = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/. fetch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.t= ar. gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 0 =3D> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x= 86. tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 2737048 =3D> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this =3D> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try again. *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. *** Error code 1 =20 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. ** Command failed [exit code 1]: /usr/bin/script -qa /tmp/portupgrade20101110-27671-zakjfx-0 env UPGRADE_TOOL=3Dportupgrade UPGRADE_PORT=3Dioncube-3.3.19 UPGRADE_PORT_VER=3D3.3.19 make ** Fix the problem and try again. ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) ! devel/ioncube (ioncube-3.3.19) (checksum mismatch) =20 Any tips ? =20 Best Regards Hasse Hansson =20 =20 Yes, that did it, but not without protests :-) Could this have anything to do with that I recently downgraded my php install to 5.2.14 to also be able to run ZendOptimazer ? odin# portupgrade -D r ioncube ---> Upgrading 'ioncube-3.3.19' to 'ioncube-4.0.1' (devel/ioncube) ---> Building '/usr/ports/devel/ioncube' =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D> SHA256 Checksum mismatch for ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz. =3D=3D=3D> Refetch for 1 more times files: = ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz =3D=3D=3D> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE =3D> ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. =3D> Attempting to fetch from = http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/. fetch: http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.= tar .gz: Requested Range Not Satisfiable =3D> Attempting to fetch from = http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/. fetch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4211495/ioncube/4.0.1/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.t= ar. gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 0 =3D> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x= 86. tar.gz: size mismatch: expected 2883104, actual 2737048 =3D> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this =3D> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/ioncube. ---> Retrying devel/ioncube ---> Deleting mismatched files ++ Deleting /usr/ports/distfiles/ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz ---> Building '/usr/ports/devel/ioncube' =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE =3D> ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. =3D> Attempting to fetch from = http://downloads2.ioncube.com/loader_downloads/. ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz 100% of 2815 kB 758 kBps =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D> SHA256 Checksum OK for ioncube_loaders_fre_8_x86.tar.gz. =3D=3D=3D> Patching for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> Configuring for ioncube-4.0.1 ---> Backing up the old version ---> Uninstalling the old version ---> Deinstalling 'ioncube-3.3.19' [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 766 packages found (-1 +0) (...) done] ---> Installing the new version via the port =3D=3D=3D> Installing for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> ioncube-4.0.1 depends on file: = /usr/local/include/php/main/php.h - found =3D=3D=3D> Generating temporary packing list =3D=3D=3D> Checking if devel/ioncube already installed install -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/ports/devel/ioncube/work/ioncube/ioncube_loader_fre_5.2.so /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/ioncube/ioncube_loader.so install -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/ports/devel/ioncube/work/ioncube/ioncube_loader_fre_5.2_ts.so /usr/local/lib/php/20060613/ioncube/ioncube_loader_ts.so You have installed the ionCube loader package. Edit /usr/local/etc/php.ini or /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini and add this three lines: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ---- [Zend] zend_extension=3D"/usr/local/lib/php/20060613/ioncube/ioncube_loader.so" zend_extension_ts=3D"/usr/local/lib/php/20060613/ioncube/ioncube_loader_t= s.so" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ---- NOTE: If you have any Zend Extension already installed - you need put = this before existing zend_extension lines. Note: FreeBSD 6.x depricated and will be unsupported in the next port release. =3D=3D=3D> Registering installation for ioncube-4.0.1 =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for ioncube-4.0.1 ---> Cleaning out obsolete shared libraries /Hasse From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 22:55:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E69C106574F for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248E58FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PGJZd-0001TJ-Hv>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:25 +0100 Received: from e178026090.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.26.90] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PGJZd-0002yu-9m>; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:25 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDB22DC.6030908@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:55:24 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAED1F.7090909@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAEF60.1090403@pathscale.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDAEF60.1090403@pathscale.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 85.178.26.90 Cc: App Deb , "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:55:27 -0000 On 11/10/10 20:15, "C. Bergstr=F6m" wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> >>> The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux >>> compatibilty. >>> >>> So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. >> >> There are some other, very serious questions. AMD calims that they >> made the specs of their 3D chipset internals public. > The docs had big missing chunks which I tried to get clarification on > and got some help and then it just one day stopped Well, speaking of those like me, following the official statements of=20 the PR units of HW venodrs like AMD and others, did not realize this. I=20 never read before about this sudden stop on any list. Yes, I realize=20 sometimes that things, even the great HW venodrs claim, are not that=20 what they claim to be when shdding light on this. But until this second=20 I believed AMD opened their specs for the community. Well, maybe the=20 trigger of opening the specs where a result of AMDs desastrous downfall=20 after 2006, so today, after they got both feet on terra firma again,=20 they may decide acting different ... >> There is OpenCL as an open standard > Try to find the validation test suite.. ($$$) Your point, I must confess. >> , there is the CLANG/LLVM project even for FreeBSD > Apple licenses it and doesn't publish all opencl work. (or I think may > not even contribute to the opencl side at all anymore.. someone correct= me) Isn't OpenCL maintained by the Khronos Group? Apple, for instance,=20 develop their own stuff on the basis of OpenCL and LLVM, but they do not = publish back to the community, that's right. But this shouldn't be an=20 excuse for the lack of support. >> to become the new standard compiler and, not at last, there is work >> done on drivers for AMD graphics boards but there is no, not even >> rudimentary, support for GPGPU. I preferr a clean open source >> solution, but at the moment, it seems to be the best and easiest path >> to switch to an operating system that is fully supported, even 64 bit.= > Side question - Why care in the least bit about AMD? Their hw sucks and= > their software is a joke.. (if you bought Evergreen I'm sorry..) Well, look at my first statement. Until now I believe and believed AMD=20 offered more than others of their 3D specs to the open source community, = to provide support to real open source GPU drivers. Obviously this isn't = true anymore. But why hasn't this been made public? AMD earns a lot of=20 money even from those people like me which remain in the strong=20 believing that they made their contribution to the open source OS communi= ty. But at the moment, looking at my hardware running FreeBSD, I realize=20 that I have more and better running hardware based on nVidia and their=20 BLOB than hardware based on AMD. But this is individual. > > There's no such thing as a complete open source GPGPU solution as of > today (to the best of my knowledge) Well, not completely open source, but there is an nVidia CUDA solution=20 even for 64 Bit Linux and none for FreeBSD! And as far as I know, I can=20 use it for free - assuming I run a supported Linux. > > ./C > Oliver From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 10 23:21:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0201065670 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B148FC17 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1PGJyx-00046Y-NG>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:21:35 +0100 Received: from e178026090.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.26.90] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1PGJyx-00048N-Ci>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:21:35 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDB28FF.9090002@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:21:35 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101029 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22C=2E_Bergstr=F6m=22?= References: <4CDA8F15.506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAED1F.7090909@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4CDAEF60.1090403@pathscale.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDAEF60.1090403@pathscale.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 85.178.26.90 Cc: App Deb , "O. Hartmann" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:21:37 -0000 On 11/10/10 20:15, "C. Bergstr=F6m" wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> >>> The NVIDIA FreeBSD driver provides the cuda libraries for linux >>> compatibilty. >>> >>> So 32-bit Linux Cuda applications should work on FreeBSD. >> >> There are some other, very serious questions. AMD calims that they >> made the specs of their 3D chipset internals public. > The docs had big missing chunks which I tried to get clarification on > and got some help and then it just one day stopped >> There is OpenCL as an open standard > Try to find the validation test suite.. ($$$) >> , there is the CLANG/LLVM project even for FreeBSD > Apple licenses it and doesn't publish all opencl work. (or I think may > not even contribute to the opencl side at all anymore.. someone correct= me) >> to become the new standard compiler and, not at last, there is work >> done on drivers for AMD graphics boards but there is no, not even >> rudimentary, support for GPGPU. I preferr a clean open source >> solution, but at the moment, it seems to be the best and easiest path >> to switch to an operating system that is fully supported, even 64 bit.= > Side question - Why care in the least bit about AMD? Their hw sucks and= > their software is a joke.. (if you bought Evergreen I'm sorry..) By the way - way is the hardware crap? Can you please be more specific?=20 AMD claims to have a higher effective double precision throughput than=20 nVidia, they also claim not having cut off most of their double=20 precision capable facilities like nVidia even on their mass market=20 products (but I'm not sure about that since this fact is very often=20 hidden by intention). Their software doesn't really matter since I most=20 FreeBSD users use the open source driver. Well, I never saw a working 64 = bit capable driver on FreeBSD, that's right. Please do not understand this as a tricky question, I'm serious, since I = plan to purchase new hardware for my computer at home (FreeBSD) and even = for my lab's computer(s). And by the way, no, I havn't bought 'Evergreen', I have much more=20 disappointing HD4830 and not properly working HD4770 and HD4670 ... (not = GPGPU capable by design). > > There's no such thing as a complete open source GPGPU solution as of > today (to the best of my knowledge) > > ./C > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 04:34:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1337B106566C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:34:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markcaudill@me.com) Received: from asmtpout027.mac.com (asmtpout027.mac.com [17.148.16.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9CF8FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:34:24 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from zoidberg.local ([98.204.113.2]) by asmtp027.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-18.01 64bit (built Jul 15 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBP00IISB960W60@asmtp027.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:34:22 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-11_02:2010-11-11, 2010-11-11, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1011100230 Message-id: <4CDB643A.4090308@me.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 22:34:18 -0500 From: Mark Caudill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Subject: GPT Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:34:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Firstly, hello list. This is my first post here and while I'm a long time Linux user, I'm a recent FreeBSD convert so please bear with me. Yesterday I installed an extra hard drive that used to be in a Windows 7 box. In sysinstall I ran fdisk then label to try to get the disk ready. The problem was that even though after I hit 'w' and it didn't give any errors, when I did a `ls /dev/ad*` it was still showing the old partitions, even after a reboot. I tried running fdisk manually and a few other things I found on Google but they all seemed to just be silently failing since they never showed an error but the changes never really went into effect. When I was first building out this box I had an issue partitioning the disks but the behavior was different in that it errored with messages about not being able to commit or write the changes to disk. That issue turned out to be with some GPTs on the drive which I was able to remove in Linux with parted. Anyway, I figured that there was a chance that this might be a GPT issue since this drive came form the same machine as the other. I couldn't remember what command I had run and didn't feel like pulling the drive into another machine so I just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM22Q5AAoJEB/pNtMYu8Pl8G4P/RyHfn03BxY0tSaii2J1a5gQ L7q7ZK9mrvpXCv/tGk+ieWwct01cgpf3SRoEbmjpnL4c//g54fChCdOylJDD7wpU LlxB4CsNMkV9JIT46zkw6ET6ERFYVC0sG+DxJr3JRCkRcTseQjNbNaKJuESMHsu3 OoYrjKjosz5juqkqS0Ty930KCcWRX5DYLsBH0QSHg7q+9ZNnFBuNIB0os4DyZ803 rmxg0bz4YDzTHFe7sJG1/uhN1gUGT3jGUuXUEKnKIrZQaUvdJe3xfNtq/mqHKiZG il45ljdxESt/Y9p7MyGle439YM/BtFt48+O9vcbd0Oljl+nwlFVHNPMKd91KOv/b WPd8y1wmO2X7tTUetDqjby3GlRjvpuPrzddfbpj87DqKdvJ3hqGtGRflrMeWLklg dAS5n3Q8x42vu/5CXlCWtNO2GQMYWTX7VPWmCzymzC60A3YM4UoY3GEF7PV/tChS etUVcSp3JhpepOjgVyY7SA+dO3sZhLAvulqhy/KX6E1ffkCoRMPYWdu9zYXk1F/i 6tEpEDdU7QAViCSbUnp7ZZrt/QcG5XbD0yOUy1M/bvfkGo3qd+TukTCJ8s0JDZ8x lPYF+p8pkzm9zfFeA1e90VqkkhNb/gDFzwg3grcO5hEse4OXlsXMmA5kfxjVKbFj mUO0LYyMmd0QW49J91ts =w5P4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 05:01:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DC5106564A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B988FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGPHw-0002Si-Vj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:01:32 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:01:32 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:01:32 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:02:21 -0500 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <4CDB643A.4090308@me.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: GPT Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:01:35 -0000 Mark Caudill wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Firstly, hello list. This is my first post here and while I'm a long > time Linux user, I'm a recent FreeBSD convert so please bear with me. > Yesterday I installed an extra hard drive that used to be in a Windows 7 > box. In sysinstall I ran fdisk then label to try to get the disk ready. > The problem was that even though after I hit 'w' and it didn't give any > errors, when I did a `ls /dev/ad*` it was still showing the old > partitions, even after a reboot. I tried running fdisk manually and a > few other things I found on Google but they all seemed to just be > silently failing since they never showed an error but the changes never > really went into effect. When I was first building out this box I had an > issue partitioning the disks but the behavior was different in that it > errored with messages about not being able to commit or write the > changes to disk. That issue turned out to be with some GPTs on the drive > which I was able to remove in Linux with parted. Anyway, I figured that > there was a chance that this might be a GPT issue since this drive came > form the same machine as the other. I couldn't remember what command I > had run and didn't feel like pulling the drive into another machine so I > just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must > have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in > sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on > here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within > this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at > all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my > tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. I don't know if this may, or may not, be strictly a GPT issue. I had a drive fail and the one I pulled out of the junk box for temporary use had FreeBSD 6.2 on it. Somewhere between 7 and 8,1 there was some kind of change where the old mbr or partition table was invisible to the new system, and hence you couldn't write out to it because as far as the new system was concerned it wasn't there. I suspect that other format incompatibilities such as what I experienced can be caused by other forms of previous mbr/partitioning data as well, and your experience would fall in this category. For me the magic incantation was to boot a LiveFS 'fixit' (the fixit shell in sysinstall works the same) and zero out the mbr. This first command gives you dangerous, mighty, and all-powerful write access: sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 and next zero the mbr with this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adx oseek=1 bs=512 count=1 where (x) is your drive number. If my theory is correct and you have seen a similar situation, these two things are the quickest and easiest way to get around it. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 09:27:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB5B106566B for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F438FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so1696463bwz.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:27:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:subject:from:to :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f7x56/5Z5kILacWuuWqVzuRFi/wxSua4Y5+UZxuFd8I=; b=K02XqXVs+Qp30zC3alM3inAJtpIovBFjc0XwYDripSKQdGFyUEcrBDlhHnhIZYINrV pTWpNJYLwJS757Cu0jrB40i2z0heqSyEYfdbZZ/ntLipP1bsBS31BI+saUHTvB1bvC1p zl7uvIVamWdeRVfVna9up0RWOmlxHwU5ue9XA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=PUStMoHCeLCJuVBsOKsnLZLt5orsmgpJVgcl+hrRwOWP4sPFNRkXvAQ8e47mHL0341 153bwhATqvubrhlwd2A/Bi3W4SXkLskD2JG/2ep7Iv8Y+rnpGV2yauWg7V65YNZXpBgn QLyLwWD2LOH89BiEEflN5QUafgnT2MppXgjOw= Received: by 10.204.60.12 with SMTP id n12mr949239bkh.61.1289466256469; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ecs ([213.8.162.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a25sm805191bks.20.2010.11.11.01.04.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:04:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4cdbb18f.197ecc0a.4f20.4404@mx.google.com> From: four.harrisons@googlemail.com To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:01:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: pseuadofs security announcement... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:27:18 -0000 CouLd someone confirm my reading of the pseudofs security announcement is= sued yesterday?=0D=0A=0D=0AIt seems that it only applies to 7 prior to 7.= 3 and 8 prior to RC1. This means that it doesn't apply to 8.1-R, correct?= =0D=0A=0D=0ATIA=0D=0A=0D=0APeter.=0D=0A=0D=0APeter Harrison=0D=0Awww.4har= risons.blogspot.com=0D=0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 09:35:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE25106564A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C2B8FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.31.11.193] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGTYn-0006UL-3k; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:35:13 +0100 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAB9ZCTc002867; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:35:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oAB9ZCqI002866; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:35:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:35:12 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Manolis Kiagias Message-ID: <20101111093512.GA2783@current.Sisis.de> References: <20100823070819.GB2539@current.Sisis.de> <4C7241C2.2000305@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4C7241C2.2000305@otenet.gr> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 193.31.11.193 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running FreeBSD on Windows host X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:16 -0000 El día Monday, August 23, 2010 a las 12:39:14PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias escribió: > On 23/08/2010 10:08 π.μ., Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've to re-install my laptop with some Windows version (Vista or Windows > > 7) with disk encryption. Of course I will go on to work in FreeBSD > > 9-CURRENT and KDE3 as desktop. Please, don't ask me why I have to put Windows below :-) > > > > I have some questions: > > > > >From the point of view of performance in FreeBSD, what would be better, Vista or > > Win7? > > > > Win 7 is a lot better than Vista... > > Any recommendation for the virtualisation software for best performance? > > > > Vmware achieves very good performance without trouble. > VirtualBox works OK most of the time (and it's free) but I had some > kernel panics running FreeBSD (unless the host is also FreeBSD!) > Have not tried very recent versions though, it may have improved. I'm now using Windows7 Professional and VMWare Workstation 7.0. I have only one issue with this so far: Bridged Networking is not working; to be more exactly: the host does not let go out UDP traffic to priv ports <= 1023, for example UDP 53 for DNS; all other is working as expected, IP and UDP to ports > 1023; I tested this with netcat(1) tool. NAT'ed and Host Only networking is fine too. I have Google'd for this and I only see that I'm not alone with this, but as well not alone with no solution; for example here: http://communities.vmware.com/message/1454201 Ubuntu as guest has the same problem. A colleague claims that it works fine with SuSE as guest, will check this out with his VM on my host and VMWare installation. Any ideas? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 10:14:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52088106564A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6727@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [207.115.11.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAA48FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mueller6722.bellsouth.net (adsl-18-76-90.sdf.bellsouth.net[68.18.76.90]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20101111100320H02002299ee>; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:03:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.18.76.90] Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:03:27 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4cdbbf6f.ZiUkI70OCmEez5oh%mueller6727@bellsouth.net> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD-similar build-from-source Linux? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:14:53 -0000 from "O. Hartmann" ; > Hello out there, > well, my question may sound heretic, but since we use mostly Linux based systems in our scientific environment and FreeBSD seems to lack in severe support in GPGPU/CUDA capable graphics boards I need to setup a kind of Linux facility to ensure having the software and tools I need for my work. I'm looking for a Linux distribution that is similar handled like FreeBSD, where I'm able to rebuild the whole system from sources, not even the the Linux kernel, also the GNU tools and the packages. Maybe there are some people out here having already taken this step. > Any suggestion is appreciated, > thanks in advance, > Oliver When I first saw that question, my first thoughts were Gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/ Linux from Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Lunar Linux http://www.lunar-linux.org/ Slackware is a full Linux distribution with its own binary, not source, package manager that knows nothing about dependencies. Linux does not come with a BSD-style base system, though a full distribution has many packages already put together and ready to install (like PC-BSD?). >From what I could tell from the web sites, Gentoo and Lunar Linux have package managers included, but Linux from Scratch doesn't. One package manager I've thought of for Linux is NetBSD pkgsrc, which has been ported to many Unixes and quasi-Unixes, am not sure what to start with for Linux. There is System Rescue CD, which includes gcc/GNU tools, which might work as a starter: I haven't tried but plan to do what you plan to do, when I get that new computer I've been planning on, in addition to FreeBSD and perhaps NetBSD. http://www.sysresccd.org/ Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 12:25:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB76106566C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35EC8FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABC6jmm045915; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oABC6j13045912; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:06:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:06:45 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Arthur Bela In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Mailing list Subject: Re: how to generate pi in c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:14 -0000 > Does anyone has a "generate-pi.c" source code? atanl(1) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 12:25:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7101065670 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1708F8FC1A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABC5uwF045882; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oABC5u06045879; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:56 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Pico Geyer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPIO compatibility with Freebsd 8[.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:15 -0000 > 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyo' > usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc: Can't create > 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/__init__.pyc' > usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py: Can't create > 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.py' > usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo: Can't create > 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyo' > usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc: Can't create > 'usr/local/lib/python2.6/distutils/tests/support.pyc' > [snip] how about --make-directories? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 12:25:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9A31065675 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC568FC0A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABC57Uj045872; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oABC57R3045869; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:05:07 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Marcin_Dara=BF?= Subject: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:25:16 -0000 I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based too! on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that chips? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 12:42:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F63106564A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f200.google.com (mail-gy0-f200.google.com [209.85.160.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BDE8FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gya6 with SMTP id 6so971566gya.7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:42:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.195.203 with SMTP id ed11mr288155vcb.17.1289477571887; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:12:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:12:51 +0000 From: vrwmiller@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:42:42 -0000 Hi all, Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to /a. I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because sysinstall is removing it. The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 15:09:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB211065670 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9D38FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so2236350wya.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:09:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OBcsNBJ13VqFpsoLJoa1B4VbnMpe5UrHyX8GuQAIUzs=; b=Qy6W4SZiXntkROWB+Y4LI2Asr/gMROXLOn1kRs6GhoqZydmUZGKXMe9XBrA/3iqSaU vGuUoMY6rHceluaD3TVh2Y/L3gl3mLkJd7tPX/+CkF+2U92Qw+PQKs24gqaXbbWccxRh ny7bCfHLBqU5Cl/Znv9pfKDyJI1iQORq2Btn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=IoMaeKg1JlL6qrZFsjFYDBgiOHF6Vse2AN4cLBiEM+DVmbnTbtiDaxN/vrgk24qf6o SVLQYMLd1ikgAHLi5i0jkz3iomIW6DrcXnqnrmww/baufTAyDP5w3M8xWKWzsM2bhWXS j7tX2EezlSVcQTH1L8mWqtNTHKlK1rnrsbSGc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.71.206 with SMTP id r56mr2481215wed.29.1289488144124; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.72.148 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> References: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:09:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: vrwmiller@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:09:06 -0000 On 11 November 2010 12:12, wrote: > Hi all, > > Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate > much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that > are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts that > are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the output to > /a. > > I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the > resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the > InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In > troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other > stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because > sysinstall is removing it. > > The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting > the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here > require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It > seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. > Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. > > Any guidance is greatly appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > have a look at the pc-bsd installer as it will let you do far more advanced installations, and probably easier. Its been commited to head as it looks like it going to become the standard bsd installer in the future. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 15:35:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8F106566B for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) Received: from mailhost.frm2.tum.de (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4349B8FC12 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.frm2.tum.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABFN4Gn011084; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:23:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) X-Virus-Scanned: at mailhost.frm2.tum.de Received: from hades.admin.frm2 (hades.admin.frm2 [172.25.1.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABFN0vc011049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:23:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:22:57 +0100 (CET) From: Joerg Pulz To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3469798045-917668999-1289488980=:1682" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:23:00 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:35:07 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3469798045-917668999-1289488980=:1682 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for workarounds for this crappy situation which currently > prevents FreeBSD8 from working together with libgssapi (see kern/147454) > and multiple threads on -questions. > > What i tried: > > - Use old RELENG_8 and RELENG_8_1 sources where Benjamin's patch still > applied. (Can't build world then). > - Modify /usr/bin/krb5-config to include -lgssapi_spnego -lgssapi_krb5 > at the right place (works on some machines). > > What i didn't try: > > - Use the port. > > How are you handling this situation. Does anyone know a cvs tag= and > date= combination which lets you build world with Benjamin's patch > (tried RELENG_8 and _8_1 from 24.6 and 19.7 and now)? Actually a > complete base kerberos would be much appreciated. Hi, please take a look at ports/152030 and the patches i mentioned in the PR. With applied ports/152030 and the world patch applied, you should be able to build a world fully against the security/heimdal port by simply specifying WITH_KERBEROS_PORT=1 in /etc/src.conf and HEIMDAL_HOME= (normally /usr/local) in /etc/make.conf. You should specify WITHOUT_KERBEROS=1 in /etc/src.conf to avoid mess and confusion with two different heimdal version installed. Don't forget to install the security/heimdal port first. Comments are welcome. I will send out a CFT/RFC as soon as the PR is committed. Kind regards Joerg - -- The beginning is the most important part of the work. -Plato -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFM3ApTSPOsGF+KA+MRApnEAJ9G5xQ0dAaEX3a1gDweFdu13aPlCACfd5w8 XzalkEA6/BAsZ0ahtCrIop8= =1dPp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3469798045-917668999-1289488980=:1682-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 15:48:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AD0106566C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from westr@connection.ca) Received: from nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca (nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca [205.207.122.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAC68FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from westr-main.tor.connection.ca (external.tor.connection.ca [216.234.38.18]) by nc-tor-mail2.connection.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA8174E577; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:34:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:34:10 -0500 From: Ross Organization: Network Connection X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <641464108.20101111103410@connection.ca> To: vrwmiller@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> References: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:48:42 -0000 vgc> I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the vgc> resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the vgc> InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In vgc> troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other vgc> stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because vgc> sysinstall is removing it. sysinstall basically does a chroot into the newly installed root after doing the installcommit, and then remounts the installation source as /dist (not quite true, you can mount other sources at this time, but always to /dist). After the installcommit, you basically are now at a normal freebsd installation (ie: /usr/bin and the like are available). You lose access to your original mfsroot distribution at this point. R. -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 16:12:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0A910656A3 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88318FC22 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABGC7v4000912 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:12:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oABGC7gB000909 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:12:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:12:07 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:12:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:12:09 -0000 On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, doug wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) >> doug@safeport.com articulated: >> >>> When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and >>> xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to >>> my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to >>> have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by >>> libpciaccess. >>> >>> Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the >>> on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to >>> suggest things have changed. >> >> Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable >> the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check >> anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. > > I was not aware of the possibility - thanks The PE300 has no documented jumpers on the mother board effecting the VGA. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a FreeBSD issue that makes Xorg a 'victim'? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 16:22:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8A71065670 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@buffalo.edu) Received: from localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu (localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB748FC15 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id A078710816; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863CC27597; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mweb1.acsu.buffalo.edu (mweb1.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.5.238]) by localmailC.acsu.buffalo.edu (Prefixe) with ESMTP id 72C0427D7A; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) by mweb1.acsu.buffalo.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981F5B0038; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:16:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Smith To: Patrick Bihan-Faou In-Reply-To: <4CC81EE7.4020607@teambox.fr> References: <4CC81EE7.4020607@teambox.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-rRGy5FqieyPbAEqefZe7" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1289492183.40288.37.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-PM-EL-Spam-Prob: : 8% Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:22:58 -0000 --=-rRGy5FqieyPbAEqefZe7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 14:45 +0200, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote: > We use FreeBSD extensively and keep a local mirror of the CVS=20 > repository. Up until recently things where working properly with the=20 > various servers listed in=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors-rsync.html, but sometime=20 > during the summer ftp13.freebsd.org did not respond anymore and since=20 > then rsync replication is broken. >=20 > The main issue (besides the removal of ftp13.freebsd.org) is that most=20 > rsync sources refuse to replicate the content of the .Attic directories=20 > in the CVS tree. This means that performing a check-out on ports using a=20 > tag usually won't work as some files will not be there anymore. >=20 > Here are the typical logs I get using most rsync servers: >=20 > rsync: opendir=20 > "/3/freebsd-core/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ports/chinese/pcmanx/files/Attic= "=20 > (in vol) failed: Permission denied (13) >=20 > At this moment the only rsync server that provides an adequate=20 > replication of the CVS repository is ftp2.tw.FreeBSD.org. As others have reported this was caused by the permissions on the Attic directories not including world read permission. For sites where it was working it's actually an indication they're not following "best practices" for a mirror site. It's typically a bad idea to have the thing that allows access to the content of the mirror site running with the same credentials as what keeps the mirror site up to date. We don't use the 'feature' that allow for (pre-staging content that the world shouldn't have access to for a period of time, allowing the mirror sites to get fully populated before the release date) but I know of other projects that do. The ftp-master machines don't have that in place because they're not public and they need to allow the blessed mirrors access to everything (for the purposes of pre-staging, if we were actually using that feature...). The development/ section of the FTP site is something I hadn't looked at before so it took me a little time to find what populates it and investigate a little. I *think* the issue with the Attic directories not including world-read permissions was either an issue with a badly formed chmod(1) done a long time ago or an issue with the mechanism that populates that portion of the FTP site missing a umask setting in the script that does it some time back in history (it's there now). Not all of the Attic directories had the wrong permissions, it seemed to stop some time in 2007. I adjusted the permissions on ftp-master so hopefully this issue is fixed. However ... > We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am=20 > happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN=20 > (or not in a documented way). >=20 > Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a=20 > working state ? The FTP site desperately needs to go on a diet so we're poking around to see if there is some stuff that can be dropped. This section of the site is a candidate for being removed. As you say the ports are not available in SVN but I'm curious why you use the content from the FTP site instead of just using a CVSUP mirror. Is there some benefit to it? We would sort of like to stop providing this as part of the FTP site if there really isn't any benefit to it over using the cvsup mirror infrastructure which won't be going away any time soon. Thanks. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodor Geisel | --=-rRGy5FqieyPbAEqefZe7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkzcFtcACgkQ/G14VSmup/bbsACeJrhgAozbBHDUoKbHlMQcUozm STgAnR0cVSOwDHvo5obcUITETkP46A7T =BwSW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rRGy5FqieyPbAEqefZe7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 16:43:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1628A1065674 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11AF8FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 38D9A981B7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:43:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id E333098200 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:43:40 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:43:35 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: FreeBSD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:43:42 -0000 I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 different Windowses they offer. But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 16:58:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE65C106567A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A81B8FC08 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2133274bwz.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=JxzWMvxsyq1cZrFskG4hpoYtE0i2bhc1sxeMaMYLgX0=; b=IxNjW5Y0OhS8XVOD05RjRG5ErZ0hNoZMSQnxXkvwemQa3Pj0nLfMwGQPgWEj3IhNP6 QRpEh+3zWpvMgull5pz4J+54t3n4Y1xBFLfH+LK0w0ZG3HGMKgeAVYdlXSVv1Rxf3124 rUxDG/12OJG9DbhVD9nJ00FHQf9T+fS1lcKk8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=OF2gFEwJawO7H0xdVW/5e5J9gP36csNu3jCdy6ezb7wJbYtFgJ/UVQtPWW8vANrfC/ xTzi/wUTDjzUG1TSYgMrrEsm/PZQhhg9+gBb50KPj1tRZlwRq03bLWdFce0niydqyWO/ kNrCRBvvBmshki8o7eZH2LhNi0wV1E4/yihQ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.145 with SMTP id z17mr1658301bkq.128.1289494697089; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.56.211 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <641464108.20101111103410@connection.ca> References: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> <641464108.20101111103410@connection.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:58:17 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: q0vCUIskBZMOZbC5wpBZVDSI04Y Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: Ross Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:58:18 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Ross wrote: > vgc> I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the > vgc> resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the > vgc> InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. In > vgc> troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand and doing other > vgc> stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because > vgc> sysinstall is removing it. > > sysinstall basically does a chroot into the newly installed root after > doing the installcommit, and then remounts the installation source as > /dist (not quite true, you can mount other sources at this time, but > always to /dist). > > After the installcommit, you basically are now at a normal freebsd > installation (ie: /usr/bin and the like are available). You lose > access to your original mfsroot distribution at this point. Thank you, Ross. Your explanation of what was happening lead me to combine the 2nd of the 2 scripts prior to the installCommit and the 3rd script that I was running after the installCommit. The result of the code in the scripts plus the lines in the install.cfg were echoed out to a file and subsequently loaded via loadConfig. This produced the desired result. -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 17:19:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364641065670 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dteske@vicor.com) Received: from postoffice.vicor.com (postoffice.vicor.com [69.26.56.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DAD8FC0A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [208.206.78.30] (port=47756 helo=dt.vicor.com) by postoffice.vicor.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGanc-0006o7-Mw; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:19:03 -0800 From: Devin Teske To: vrwmiller@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> References: <90e6ba53b42e9e45100494c5e454@google.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Vicor, Inc Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:19:00 -0800 Message-Id: <1289495940.30235.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-41.el4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: ef46d7595948ee90861d7f47ac6dd61a X-Scan-Host: postoffice.vicor.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:19:04 -0000 On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 12:12 +0000, vrwmiller@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically generate > much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files that > are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts > that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the > output to /a. > > I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load the > resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the > InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. Before distExtractAll is called (called implicitly by installCommit if not previously called), this is the layout of your environment: / -- your mfsroot /mnt -- your newly formatted disk (empty at this time) /mnt/dist -- your install media (beit CD/DVD, NFS, etc.) Meanwhile, _after_ distExtractAll (or installCommit in your case), you are chroot(2)'ed into /mnt, so this is now your environment: / -- your newly formatted disk (populated with FreeBSD now) /dist -- your install media > In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand That's right: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.diff?r1=1.360;r2=1.361;f=h That change was made 5 years, 9 months ago. > and doing other > stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because > sysinstall is removing it. > > The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted putting > the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed here > require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). It > seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the installCommit. > Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. > > Any guidance is greatly appreciated. You essentially have about 5 options (I'll let you choose): 1. You can patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around. 2. You can use an older mfsroot containing an older build of sysinstall which doesn't blow away `/stand' (not recommended) 3. You can switch using pc-sysinstall (as mentioned by krad) 4. You can create a "post_install.cfg" in the install media and have your call loadConfig on `/dist/post_install.cfg' after installCommit 5. You can use an mfsroot already tailored specifically to your needs available at http://druidbsd.sf.net/ Let's look at each option in detail: ============================================================ 1. If you want to patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around, here's what you need to do: a. cvsup the FreeBSD source tree (beyond the scope of this e-mail) b. Apply the below patch --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c 2010-11-11 03:05:53.000000000 -0800 +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.orig 2010-06-13 19:09:06.000000000 -0700 @@ -906,6 +906,9 @@ installFixupBase(dialogMenuItem *self) /* BOGON #5: aliases database not built for bin */ vsystem("newaliases"); + /* BOGON #6: Remove /stand (finally) */ + vsystem("rm -rf /stand"); + /* Now run all the mtree stuff to fix things up */ vsystem("mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /"); vsystem("mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var"); c. Compile a new mfsroot containing your patched sysinstall by: i. cd /usr/src ii. make buildworld iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES NOTE: If the `make release' fails, it can be resumed... i. cd /usr/src/release ii. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES \ RELEASENOUPDATE=YES d. Your mfsroot is at `/usr/release/R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot.gz' NOTE: If, after a successful release, you want to change re-build your mfsroot, you really ought to only re-do the `make release' step. However, that can be lengthy. If you want to patch only a single file and rebuild, you need to first copy the modified files from `/usr/src' to `/usr/release/usr/src' (for example, copy `/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c' to `/usr/release/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c') and then: i. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.4 ii. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.8 iii. cd /usr/src/release iv. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release \ EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES \ NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES RELEASENOUPDATE=YES NOTE: If it looks like you're going to go this route, please keep reading. The last suggestion is to use my DruidBSD platform which already has such patches applied, compiled, and ready to download. ============================================================ 2. Using an older mfsroot that keeps `/stand' around after installCommit is neither recommended nor warranted in this case. You'd have to go back pretty far. The FreeBSD-4.11 mfsroot contains a sysinstall(8) binary that keeps `/stand' around. From looking at CVS, it would also appear that the head of the 5.x series also retains `/stand'. However, it appears that 6.0 or higher will not fit your needs. This has the rather unfortunate side-effect of not being able to support installation onto UFS2 -- as you need later sysinstall(8) and mfsroot to support performing newfs(8) with the `-O2' option to format the target disk in UFS2 versus UFS1. This suggestion is not really an option. ============================================================ 3. You can switch to using pc-sysinstall (the PC-BSD installation software). Unfortunately, this suggestion could potentially require a rewrite of your installation script(s) (depending on the content of your scripts). This could potentially be akin to a ground-up rewrite. ============================================================ 4. Use a post_install.cfg that lives in your install-media. This is by-far the simplest suggestion. Let's say that your installation media is CD-ROM, NFS, or Local directory. Since your installation media is still accessible in the chroot(2)'ed environment (under `/dist'), anything you put in there will work surely exist after the installCommit is performed. Simply add this: configFile=/dist/post_install.cfg loadConfig after your call to `installCommit'. After the `installCommit' resword is processed, the above will be performed except this time (being chroot (2)'ed into our new install environment as described at the beginning of this e-mail) we will find the `post_install.cfg' file in the installation media within the `/dist' mounted-directory. ============================================================ 5. You can use the mfsroot.gz file from my project, which: a. Has a patched sysinstall(8) that keeps `/stand' around. b. Supports directory-based installation (mediaSetNullFS) c. Has many additional utilities not available in the normal mfsroot Give it a try... (download via CVS pserver access -- though you can just as easily use the below URL to grab the mfsroot and customize it). http://druidbsd.sourceforge.net/ http://druidbsd.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/druidbsd/druidbsd/druidbsd/mdroot/boot/mfsroot.gz?revision=1.1.1.1 Alternatively, though... You could just base your project off of my project. If you did, your installer would support booting off of USB media. The docs are worth a read. -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.teske@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. 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Key generated from the linux or Freebsd machine works fine on the server. it shows this message in the auth.log sshd[5752]: error: PAM: authentication error for username from host Thank you Rihaz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 18:32:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AC3106567A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f72.google.com (mail-yw0-f72.google.com [209.85.213.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D62A8FC1A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so1156369ywh.7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:32:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.32.3 with SMTP id f3mr219101anf.1.1289500354791; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1289495940.30235.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <0016e644c7c895e6920494cb3215@google.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:32:34 +0000 From: vrwmiller@gmail.com To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: sysinstall install.cfg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:32:37 -0000 Wow! Thanks for all the info and the time you spent pulling it together and writing it out, Devin! There is a lot to digest. Right now, I do have a "workaround" that I am currently testing out. I will be hanging onto your email for future reference, certainly. On Nov 11, 2010 12:19pm, Devin Teske wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 12:12 +0000, vrwmiller@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Hoping that someone might be able to help me here. I dynamically > generate > > much of the install.cfg by running scripts that send output to files > that > > are, in turn, loaded into install.cfg utilizing loadConfig. The scripts > > that are run are placed into the mfsroot in /stand and /. They send the > > output to /a. > > > > I do this twice before the installCommit and both scripts run and load > the > > resulting configs successfully. I also run another script after the > > InstallComit...it fails citing the script could not be found. > Before distExtractAll is called (called implicitly by installCommit if > not previously called), this is the layout of your environment: > / -- your mfsroot > /mnt -- your newly formatted disk (empty at this time) > /mnt/dist -- your install media (beit CD/DVD, NFS, etc.) > Meanwhile, _after_ distExtractAll (or installCommit in your case), you > are chroot(2)'ed into /mnt, so this is now your environment: > / -- your newly formatted disk (populated with FreeBSD now) > /dist -- your install media > > In troubleshooting, I found that sysinstall is removing /stand > That's right: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.diff?r1=1.360;r2=1.361;f=h > That change was made 5 years, 9 months ago. > > and doing other > > stuff to / and /var. So, I know why the script cannot be found...because > > sysinstall is removing it. > > > > The question I have then is how can I get around this? I attempted > putting > > the script above the installCommit, but the functions being performed > here > > require that the base system already be in place (I'm adding packages). > It > > seems that I have little choice, but to have this after the > installCommit. > > Unfortunately, sysinstall wipes it out. > > > > Any guidance is greatly appreciated. > You essentially have about 5 options (I'll let you choose): > 1. You can patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around. > 2. You can use an older mfsroot containing an older build of sysinstall > which doesn't blow away `/stand' (not recommended) > 3. You can switch using pc-sysinstall (as mentioned by krad) > 4. You can create a "post_install.cfg" in the install media and have > your call loadConfig on `/dist/post_install.cfg' after installCommit > 5. You can use an mfsroot already tailored specifically to your needs > available at http://druidbsd.sf.net/ > Let's look at each option in detail: > ============================================================ > 1. If you want to patch sysinstall to keep `/stand' around, here's what > you need to do: > a. cvsup the FreeBSD source tree (beyond the scope of this e-mail) > b. Apply the below patch > --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c 2010-11-11 03:05:53.000000000 > -0800 > +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c.orig 2010-06-13 > 19:09:06.000000000 -0700 > @@ -906,6 +906,9 @@ installFixupBase(dialogMenuItem *self) > /* BOGON #5: aliases database not built for bin */ > vsystem("newaliases"); > + /* BOGON #6: Remove /stand (finally) */ > + vsystem("rm -rf /stand"); > + > /* Now run all the mtree stuff to fix things up */ > vsystem("mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /"); > vsystem("mtree -deU -f /etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var"); > c. Compile a new mfsroot containing your patched sysinstall by: > i. cd /usr/src > ii. make buildworld > iii. cd /usr/src/release > iv. make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ > NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES > NOTE: If the `make release' fails, it can be resumed... > i. cd /usr/src/release > ii. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src \ > NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES \ > RELEASENOUPDATE=YES > d. Your mfsroot is at `/usr/release/R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot.gz' > NOTE: If, after a successful release, you want to change re-build > your mfsroot, you really ought to only re-do the `make release' > step. However, that can be lengthy. If you want to patch only a > single file and rebuild, you need to first copy the modified > files from `/usr/src' to `/usr/release/usr/src' (for example, > copy `/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c' to > `/usr/release/usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c') and then: > i. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.4 > ii. rm -f /usr/release/usr/obj/usr/src/release/release.8 > iii. cd /usr/src/release > iv. make rerelease CHROOTDIR=/usr/release \ > EXTSRCDIR=/usr/src NODOC=YES NO_FLOPPIES=YES \ > NOCDROM=YES NOPORTS=YES RELEASENOUPDATE=YES > NOTE: If it looks like you're going to go this route, please keep > reading. The last suggestion is to use my DruidBSD platform which > already has such patches applied, compiled, and ready to download. > ============================================================ > 2. Using an older mfsroot that keeps `/stand' around after installCommit > is neither recommended nor warranted in this case. > You'd have to go back pretty far. The FreeBSD-4.11 mfsroot contains a > sysinstall(8) binary that keeps `/stand' around. From looking at CVS, it > would also appear that the head of the 5.x series also retains `/stand'. > However, it appears that 6.0 or higher will not fit your needs. > This has the rather unfortunate side-effect of not being able to support > installation onto UFS2 -- as you need later sysinstall(8) and mfsroot to > support performing newfs(8) with the `-O2' option to format the target > disk in UFS2 versus UFS1. > This suggestion is not really an option. > ============================================================ > 3. You can switch to using pc-sysinstall (the PC-BSD installation > software). > Unfortunately, this suggestion could potentially require a rewrite of > your installation script(s) (depending on the content of your scripts). > This could potentially be akin to a ground-up rewrite. > ============================================================ > 4. Use a post_install.cfg that lives in your install-media. > This is by-far the simplest suggestion. > Let's say that your installation media is CD-ROM, NFS, or Local > directory. Since your installation media is still accessible in the > chroot(2)'ed environment (under `/dist'), anything you put in there will > work surely exist after the installCommit is performed. > Simply add this: > configFile=/dist/post_install.cfg > loadConfig > after your call to `installCommit'. After the `installCommit' resword is > processed, the above will be performed except this time (being chroot > (2)'ed into our new install environment as described at the beginning of > this e-mail) we will find the `post_install.cfg' file in the > installation media within the `/dist' mounted-directory. > ============================================================ > 5. You can use the mfsroot.gz file from my project, which: > a. Has a patched sysinstall(8) that keeps `/stand' around. > b. Supports directory-based installation (mediaSetNullFS) > c. Has many additional utilities not available in the normal mfsroot > Give it a try... (download via CVS pserver access -- though you can just > as easily use the below URL to grab the mfsroot and customize it). > http://druidbsd.sourceforge.net/ > http://druidbsd.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/druidbsd/druidbsd/druidbsd/mdroot/boot/mfsroot.gz?revision=1.1.1.1 > Alternatively, though... > You could just base your project off of my project. If you did, your > installer would support booting off of USB media. The docs are worth a > read. > -- > Cheers, > Devin Teske > -> CONTACT INFORMATION > Business Solutions Consultant II > FIS - fisglobal.com > 510-735-5650 Mobile > 510-621-2038 Office > 510-621-2020 Office Fax > 909-477-4578 Home/Fax > devin.teske@fisglobal.com > -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER > This message contains confidential and proprietary information > of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it > is addressed. 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If you have received this > message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, > and delete the original message without making a copy. > -> END TRANSMISSION From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 18:35:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1711910656A7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelscotttech@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2EB8FC1A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1086975qyk.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:35:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=OKYik2CUkOjuTVKxtc8WIhGjg5U9X+GQynYdK1riR0k=; b=YzC+nYu80DlhL1kHKMLYKWpDsGBly0nVzTsfMlfLCsfCiG4XaVi6EtBGSnEdQO/Qc9 a2/nh14txMIwzpWjqDf1bMP37Zd0UXjxyQmNKwD1pF1x6SIV+kc69eXJLJTvxahVVtB1 IKHhcVJGBfx1bMk7fJOEUK/JbbtCggPQaxylA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=bcseRriFTSVu/rP2AbXKD3PJ6lmq/BIbtiQ5kh5In4jF3pRkAQXJ6TGN8X51nFrUoT 1YLuzn3ytlVWx3eGNdRp98PEB31mumzZ/2PmTFaYCFHvN432wksoKZ2bJvb/nrrHjJhp eyosjX0CDl5SF4GI7vdcJUCtNVc30tMxzQa14= Received: by 10.224.20.13 with SMTP id d13mr1146352qab.108.1289499176844; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from msb.datacomp-intranet.com (h69-130-231-62.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net [69.130.231.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n7sm2132259qcu.28.2010.11.11.10.12.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:12:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0C3B7D09-CF38-40D9-A483-F5860DE16652@gmail.com> From: Michael Boers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:12:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: zfs mirrors and high availability X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:35:18 -0000 I am running a 100% zfs based FreeBSD 8.0 system with 4 disks: two zfs mirrored boot drives and two zfs mirrored data drives. This morning the server went down with the following errors in the log file: Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): SYNCHRONIZE CACHE(10). CDB: 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): ABORTED COMMAND asc: 0,0 Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): No additional sense information Nov 11 10:05:01 caprica kernel: (da2:mpt0:0:3:0): Retries Exhausted Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003c87a0:2838 timed out for ccb 0xffffff0103acc000 (req->ccb 0xffffff0103acc000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003c5110:2839 timed out for ccb 0xffffff035cab0800 (req->ccb 0xffffff035cab0800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: attempting to abort req 0xffffff80003c87a0:2838 function 0 Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003bef30:2840 timed out for ccb 0xffffff0007986800 (req->ccb 0xffffff0007986800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003c8560:2841 timed out for ccb 0xffffff032d985000 (req->ccb 0xffffff032d985000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003bf320:2842 timed out for ccb 0xffffff0103af2000 (req->ccb 0xffffff0103af2000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003cbda0:2843 timed out for ccb 0xffffff0103b0b000 (req->ccb 0xffffff0103b0b000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003bfd40:2844 timed out for ccb 0xffffff00102bf800 (req->ccb 0xffffff00102bf800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003cad50:2845 timed out for ccb 0xffffff01e6f33000 (req->ccb 0xffffff01e6f33000) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003caf00:2846 timed out for ccb 0xffffff01e6f24800 (req->ccb 0xffffff01e6f24800) Nov 11 10:05:53 caprica kernel: mpt0: request 0xffffff80003ccd60:2847 timed out for ccb 0xffffff01308a4000 (req->ccb 0xffffff01308a4000) Why didn't zfs stop talking to the disk that was clearly having issues? Are there sysctl or other variables that I can set that will allow zfs to mark a disk as failed more aggressively? Is there a way that I could have prevented the crash? The system was "up", pingable, but not accessible via ssh. My guess is that all disk related requests were queueing/stuck. A few more notes on my setup: Harware: Dell PowerEdge 2970, 1 CPU, 16 GB Ram pool: Storage state: ONLINE scrub: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM Storage ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror ONLINE 0 0 0 da1 ONLINE 0 0 0 da3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: zboot state: ONLINE scrub: scrub in progress for 0h22m, 72.03% done, 0h8m to go config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zboot ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/disk0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/disk1 ONLINE 0 0 0 -- Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 18:44:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE04E106566C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F44F8FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so1398160qwj.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.227.8 with SMTP id iy8mr1079804qcb.36.1289501044745; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.119] In-Reply-To: <4cdbb18f.197ecc0a.4f20.4404@mx.google.com> References: <4cdbb18f.197ecc0a.4f20.4404@mx.google.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: four.harrisons@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pseuadofs security announcement... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:05 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:01, wrote: > CouLd someone confirm my reading of the pseudofs security announcement issued yesterday? > > It seems that it only applies to 7 prior to 7.3 and 8 prior to RC1. This means that it doesn't apply to 8.1-R, correct? Yes - 8.1 is r210188, it was fixed in r196859. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 19:21:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0389106566B for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward20.mail.yandex.net (forward20.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8668FC1E for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp16.mail.yandex.net (smtp16.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.16]) by forward20.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8689C5D11FC6 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:21:05 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289503265; bh=aHrNjS0lWb6QFRJJk3GjNkUZuvlZoGlnS09cduO76vo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GNNbOzaXmuv05XtfnbKvGYXo2AyyaMAfjQAlf7CSjLr7wi45IvkpnfkcAcyTEo7/z A2LnQiPZB4P/fP+DjqhFjBpgT1+mp2TZaB3iv+iBuJcrpDmMK5IJFvRRU0BIaPTqPL 4durPuBW5mgl3UNqUS0o5hXbmcBtU1H/mjxKU6mY= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.38.34]) by smtp16.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 9A30E160006E for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:21:00 +0300 (MSK) X-Nat-Received: from [77.93.38.39]:3363 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1289502881.50226 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:20:49 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:21:08 -0000 Hi, all last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92 up 4+07:51:26 21:19:08 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 15 root -44 - 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net 35 root -68 - 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 1698 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 1700 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 1699 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 1701 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 63829 www 50 0 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd 59213 root 96 0 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent 16 root -32 - 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock sio mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 19:27:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996C5106566C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:27:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7AE8FC15 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51B350994; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id B8D2F3E8003; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0C3E8002; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:50 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: '??????? ???????' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:26:49 -0600 Thread-Topic: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? Thread-Index: AcuB1a37AkeaBiKGSjWUY2CktXZEkgAAKXXw Message-ID: <30960_1289503610_4CDC437A_30960_224_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C43@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:27:01 -0000 Perhaps run it inside gdb? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??????? ??????? 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Hi, all last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92 up 4+07:51:26 21:1= 9:08 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 15 root -44 - 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net 35 root -68 - 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 1698 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 1700 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 1699 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 1701 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 63829 www 50 0 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd 59213 root 96 0 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent 16 root -32 - 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock = sio mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 20:02:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB5C1065672 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CFB8FC0C for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [109.85.146.94] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGdLk-0007hG-QO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:02:25 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oABK2sL2001428 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:02:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oABK2r80001427 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:02:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de.: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:02:53 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 109.85.146.94 Subject: how to overwrite the content of a file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:02:27 -0000 Hello, What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the file system, but overwrite the old blocks? I've checked $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? The background of the question is that I want to make sure, that certain content is not placed into a dump of the file system before give away the output of the dump(8). Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 20:09:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5E31065672 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209378FC18 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABK933g054062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oABK93e8092315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oABK93gW092314; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:03 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Matthias Apitz Message-ID: <20101111200903.GA57869@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:09:04 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to overwrite the content of a file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:09:05 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 11), Matthias Apitz said: > What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with bytes > of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the file > system, but overwrite the old blocks? > > I've checked > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 > > but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will > give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? conv=notrunc (note that this will only help with ufs; zfs is always copy-on-write, so newly-written data never overwrites the old blocks) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 20:16:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A13106564A for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4788FC17 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1682713fxm.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0iGdJYDe0ZderFDqsXCo0Nfi4BqiFG3a9hcZ0EvTW1Q=; b=rZ8shPTDlWhuUtKUT1dRQYpsQULacKPG5w+a6KFkQXCoV/vtPDqJ4jdI74D8pjRNf5 gsY3BPMkXheMCX47ZZ6yGfNybG1EDsTX46L2v3FVQwfSov2xlpje4/XhzzYn+Dj2kCOK 6aLA7Q8UzYIk8rzPNb/1TN1is0pciwONkxzS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=eCZSTHDva/ZuBZ7t9ap++tfcNLDDVc5HqxQf+/Y9kfyrXfWnaFAMB4/D5A/s/8GNQm 3iGolF0fVsJBkEiFOweOdXGa9lb0BwcWtaksqSoXR5LkYFh1eiAIT5E1ya3q17PfwO3N DQVSUhLxJH1gw+i3OoQvxeiW21GQoyYe2vWW0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.127.16 with SMTP id e16mr604222fas.101.1289506593356; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:16:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to overwrite the content of a file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:16:34 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with > bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the > file system, but overwrite the old blocks? > > I've checked > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 > > but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will > give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? > Well there is "rm -P" although I'm not sure that accomplished exactly what you are looking for. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 23:33:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA36B1065675 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B96A8FC25 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGgdz-0002sa-Vn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:33:27 +0100 Received: from cpe-188-129-96-31.dynamic.amis.hr ([188.129.96.31]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:33:27 +0100 Received: from ivoras by cpe-188-129-96-31.dynamic.amis.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:33:27 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:33:14 +0100 Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-188-129-96-31.dynamic.amis.hr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101102 Thunderbird/3.1.6 In-Reply-To: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:43:39 +0000 Subject: Re: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:33:30 -0000 On 11/11/10 20:20, =D0=9A=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=95=D0=B2= =D0=B3=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B9 wrote: > Hi, all "How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?" The short answer is: depending on what your network card is, it could be = everything related to TCP/IP-level processing. In your case, you are doing a lot of work in netgraph and dummynet,=20 probably shaping, but have high dummynet usage which probably means its=20 handling the lower level of network IO, probably with a high packet rate.= You might try including the following loader.conf tunables: net.isr.direct_force=3D0 net.isr.maxthreads=3D2 =2E.. and report if it helps you. (but be careful: here you must measure = real-world performance not CPU usage!) > last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92 up 4+07:51:26 = 21:19:08 > 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting > CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idl= e > CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idl= e > CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idl= e > CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idl= e > Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Fre= e > Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND= > 15 root -44 - 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: n= et > 35 root -68 - 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummyne= t > 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 0 74.8H 42.87% idle: c= pu0 > 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: c= pu3 > 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 1 80.3H 29.69% idle: c= pu1 > 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 2 76.9H 23.49% idle: c= pu2 > 1698 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queu= e0 > 1700 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queu= e2 > 1699 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queu= e1 > 1701 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queu= e3 > 63829 www 50 0 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd > 59213 root 96 0 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent= > 16 root -32 - 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: c= lock sio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 11 23:45:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C367A10657E7 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfunk6@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8CA8FC19 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20101111234512.EPSV10925.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:45:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.0.73.73]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id VzlB1f00Y1asDc402zlCLC; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:45:12 -0500 X-VR-Score: -190.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=PkQKpMSOrKoV9KYRrKr2f7XLnN0m7+zjYAinWDuNKA4= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=cldQwrSUzPq7T4OJ8kWhDA==:17 a=xe8BsctaAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=n1g9wHgpmP6OV_5sGrwA:9 a=ewI5CkSpP1fRNgYVIDEA:7 a=uyxdNd3kWoONse3NszuoNR-rixsA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=cldQwrSUzPq7T4OJ8kWhDA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=dfunk6@cox.net Message-ID: <4CDC800F.6010802@cox.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:45:19 -0600 From: Derek Funk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CDB643A.4090308@me.com> In-Reply-To: <4CDB643A.4090308@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 101111-1, 11/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: GPT Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:45:23 -0000 On 11/10/2010 9:34 PM, Mark Caudill wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Firstly, hello list. This is my first post here and while I'm a long > time Linux user, I'm a recent FreeBSD convert so please bear with me. > Yesterday I installed an extra hard drive that used to be in a Windows 7 > box. In sysinstall I ran fdisk then label to try to get the disk ready. > The problem was that even though after I hit 'w' and it didn't give any > errors, when I did a `ls /dev/ad*` it was still showing the old > partitions, even after a reboot. I tried running fdisk manually and a > few other things I found on Google but they all seemed to just be > silently failing since they never showed an error but the changes never > really went into effect. When I was first building out this box I had an > issue partitioning the disks but the behavior was different in that it > errored with messages about not being able to commit or write the > changes to disk. That issue turned out to be with some GPTs on the drive > which I was able to remove in Linux with parted. Anyway, I figured that > there was a chance that this might be a GPT issue since this drive came > form the same machine as the other. I couldn't remember what command I > had run and didn't feel like pulling the drive into another machine so I > just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must > have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in > sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on > here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within > this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at > all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my > tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM22Q5AAoJEB/pNtMYu8Pl8G4P/RyHfn03BxY0tSaii2J1a5gQ > L7q7ZK9mrvpXCv/tGk+ieWwct01cgpf3SRoEbmjpnL4c//g54fChCdOylJDD7wpU > LlxB4CsNMkV9JIT46zkw6ET6ERFYVC0sG+DxJr3JRCkRcTseQjNbNaKJuESMHsu3 > OoYrjKjosz5juqkqS0Ty930KCcWRX5DYLsBH0QSHg7q+9ZNnFBuNIB0os4DyZ803 > rmxg0bz4YDzTHFe7sJG1/uhN1gUGT3jGUuXUEKnKIrZQaUvdJe3xfNtq/mqHKiZG > il45ljdxESt/Y9p7MyGle439YM/BtFt48+O9vcbd0Oljl+nwlFVHNPMKd91KOv/b > WPd8y1wmO2X7tTUetDqjby3GlRjvpuPrzddfbpj87DqKdvJ3hqGtGRflrMeWLklg > dAS5n3Q8x42vu/5CXlCWtNO2GQMYWTX7VPWmCzymzC60A3YM4UoY3GEF7PV/tChS > etUVcSp3JhpepOjgVyY7SA+dO3sZhLAvulqhy/KX6E1ffkCoRMPYWdu9zYXk1F/i > 6tEpEDdU7QAViCSbUnp7ZZrt/QcG5XbD0yOUy1M/bvfkGo3qd+TukTCJ8s0JDZ8x > lPYF+p8pkzm9zfFeA1e90VqkkhNb/gDFzwg3grcO5hEse4OXlsXMmA5kfxjVKbFj > mUO0LYyMmd0QW49J91ts > =w5P4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > My understanding is, if you are using FreeBSD 8.x, sysinstall / fdisk will not write disk partitions. gpart is used now. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:31:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A686106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:31:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from om-lists-bsd@omx.ch) Received: from omicron.omnis.ch (omicron.omnis.ch [62.48.3.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4B7C8FC22 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29341 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2010 00:04:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.40] ([195.134.148.35]) by omicron.omnis.ch ([62.48.3.130]) with ESMTP via TCP; 12 Nov 2010 00:04:51 -0000 From: Olivier Mueller To: ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1277196339.16778.20.camel@ompc.insign.local> References: <1242763051.5505.18.camel@frosch.omx.ch> <47e01da70905240107u6baf7e44pb9e46f8d6952de70@mail.gmail.com> <1277196339.16778.20.camel@ompc.insign.local> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:04:51 +0100 Message-Id: <1289520291.22576.5.camel@frosch.omx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: [freebsd] pecl-imagick -> Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) on php -i under freebsd 7.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:31:33 -0000 Good evening, On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 10:45 +0200, Olivier Mueller wrote: > Problem: > > [om@pandora ~]$ php -v -c /usr/local/etc/php.ini-production > PHP 5.3.2 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 14 2010 18:11:48) > Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies > Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) > > > If I comment the line "extension=imagick.so" > in /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini , it works fine (but without > imagick then...). I tried recompiling about nearly all related packages > (png, imagemagick, php, etc.), but it didn't helped. Same if I comment > some other extensions (like pdf.so, etc.). All packages are 100% > uptodate, as well as the OS (7.3-RELEASE-p1 amd64), but it was > previously a 7.2 system, so this may have an influence. > > Is anybody using pecl-imagick without this segfault at the moment? Or > do you have any suggestion about what I could try? I will setup a > "blank" 7.3 system as a VM later this week to test by myself I finally did that now (vmware-based freebsd basic system + fresh ports tree + portinstall -rvbp php5 pecl-imagick), and it is exactly the same: Segfault still displayed. Maybe it's related to the "WITHOUT_X11=yes" in my make.conf ? I'll try again without that parameter later. Here are the ports list and gdb output, maybe someone will have an idea why it is reacting like that? : [root@bsdbox73 ~]# php -v PHP 5.3.3 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Nov 11 2010 14:40:34) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies Segmentation fault: 11 (core dumped) [root@bsdbox73 ~]# [root@bsdbox73 ~]# gdb php php.core GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... Core was generated by `php'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from /lib/libcrypt.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libcrypt.so.4 Reading symbols from /lib/libz.so.4...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libz.so.4 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so.0 Reading symbols from /lib/libm.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libm.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 Reading symbols from /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.3 Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.7...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /lib/libc.so.7 Reading symbols from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Loaded symbols for /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 #0 0x0000000803190820 in ?? () (gdb) (gdb) bt #0 0x0000000803190820 in ?? () #1 0x0000000800db17d5 in xmlFreeMutex () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #2 0x0000000800db1215 in xmlCleanupGlobals () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #3 0x0000000800d49d3a in xmlCleanupParser () from /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.5 #4 0x000000000044ff28 in php_libxml_shutdown () #5 0x000000000044ff59 in zm_shutdown_libxml () #6 0x0000000000558f2f in module_destructor () #7 0x000000000056061a in zend_hash_apply_deleter () #8 0x0000000000560888 in zend_hash_graceful_reverse_destroy () #9 0x0000000000554357 in zend_shutdown () #10 0x00000000005005f5 in php_module_shutdown () #11 0x00000000005dea4f in main () #12 0x00000000004186de in _start () #13 0x0000000800781000 in ?? () #14 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () #15 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () [...] ---Type to continue, or q to quit---q Quit (gdb) [root@bsdbox73 ~]# cat /etc//make.conf # om/20080318 WITHOUT_X11=yes [root@bsdbox73 ~]# cat /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini extension=imagick.so [root@bsdbox73 ~]# uname -a FreeBSD bsdbox73.omx.ch 7.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Mar 21 05:25:24 UTC 2010 root@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@bsdbox73 ~]# pkg_info ImageMagick-nox11-6.6.4.10 Image processing tools apache-2.0.64 Version 2.0.x of Apache web server with prefork MPM. apr-0.9.19.0.9.19 Apache Portability Library autoconf-2.68 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms autoconf-wrapper-20071109 Wrapper script for GNU autoconf automake-1.11.1 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (1.11) automake-wrapper-20071109 Wrapper script for GNU automake bash-4.0.35 The GNU Project's Bourne Again SHell cups-client-1.4.4 Common UNIX Printing System: Library cups cups-image-1.4.4 Common UNIX Printing System: Library cupsimage db41-4.1.25_4 The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.1 db42-4.2.52_5 The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.2 expat-2.0.1_1 XML 1.0 parser written in C fftw3-3.2.2_1 Fast C routines to compute the Discrete Fourier Transform fontconfig-2.8.0,1 An XML-based font configuration API for X Windows freetype2-2.4.2 A free and portable TrueType font rendering engine gamin-0.1.10_4 A file and directory monitoring system gdbm-1.8.3_3 The GNU database manager gettext-0.17_1 GNU gettext package ghostscript8-nox11-8.71_6 Ghostscript 8.x PostScript interpreter gio-fam-backend-2.24.2 FAM backend for GLib's GIO library glib-2.24.2 Some useful routines of C programming (current stable versi gmake-3.81_4 GNU version of 'make' utility gnutls-2.8.6_2 GNU Transport Layer Security library gsfonts-8.11_5 Standard Fonts for Ghostscript help2man-1.38.2_1 Automatically generating simple manual pages from program o jasper-1.900.1_9 An implementation of the codec specified in the JPEG-2000 s jbig2dec-0.11 Decoder implementation of the JBIG2 image compression forma jbigkit-1.6 Lossless compression for bi-level images such as scanned pa jpeg-8_3 IJG's jpeg compression utilities lcms-1.19_1,1 Light Color Management System -- a color management library libfpx-1.2.0.12_1 Library routines for working with Flashpix images libgcrypt-1.4.6 General purpose crypto library based on code used in GnuPG libgpg-error-1.8 Common error values for all GnuPG components libiconv-1.13.1_1 A character set conversion library liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 An easy to use C/C++ seam carving library libltdl-2.2.10 System independent dlopen wrapper libtool-2.2.10 Generic shared library support script libxml2-2.7.7 XML parser library for GNOME m4-1.4.15,1 GNU m4 p5-Locale-gettext-1.05_3 Message handling functions pcre-8.10 Perl Compatible Regular Expressions library pecl-imagick-3.0.1.r2 Provides a wrapper to the ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick librar perl-5.8.9_4 Practical Extraction and Report Language php5-5.3.3_2 PHP Scripting Language pkg-config-0.25_1 A utility to retrieve information about installed libraries png-1.4.3 Library for manipulating PNG images portupgrade-2.4.6_3,2 FreeBSD ports/packages administration and management tool s python26-2.6.6 An interpreted object-oriented programming language rsync-3.0.7 A network file distribution/synchronization utility ruby-1.8.7.248,1 An object-oriented interpreted scripting language ruby18-bdb-0.6.5_1 Ruby interface to Sleepycat's Berkeley DB revision 2 or lat tiff-4.0.0 Tools and library routines for working with TIFF images unzip-6.0 List, test and extract compressed files in a ZIP archive xz-5.0.0 LZMA compression and decompression tools Thanks & kind regards, Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:08:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A01065672 for ; 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Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.195.70 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:39:28 +0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:36:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:08:39 -0000 Why do you use a devil as a mascot? For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Jos=E9 Silveira From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:44:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364561065694 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0A98FC21 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D9A26259DE; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:46 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkZ4C3NFKShu; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0979226259DD; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:45 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:44:42 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:44:45 -0000 Not this shit again... On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Jos=E9 Silveira wrote: > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >=20 > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run = away! >=20 > Jos=E9 Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:46:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B961065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636F48FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oAC0jJQi014652; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:45:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oAC0jJDr014651; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:45:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:45:19 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Silveira Message-ID: <20101112004519.GA14605@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:46:28 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +0000, Jos Silveira wrote: > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! Of course, it is not a devil. IT is a helper daemon. It is your prejudice and lack of knowledge of ancient mythology that leads you to calling it a devil. What you should do it look in the FreeBSD-Questions list archive. THere are hundreds of responses already posted to this question. There is even stuff on the web site and a simple Google search will get you many more. ////jerry > > Jos Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:47:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7839106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBDF8FC26 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1734666wwi.31 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=s7yk41X7kYiScymwqXU8MCgy9RQxAzvMBlC+v11SWFc=; b=OH6OwNr1WWEAVBAqVzDkgcCAo+yeiLxNvlQs9M6U61ITVSXWeiQXUvrv0iV1qS4n6f KMvkt68DxG60FHHlF2lELils5blDp8B2/WGppIG6EaZvdUL1L9UTtZenGrvmW+EoA+CG bVXbUbxxvJ6YgIOQ37knJtsL57eqHmWZIHlbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b82JSPRYGkbt7FHhqtLWUYLJIGfLe5zt7sf1kGZippk4b3bJSyBB0K74bbj+zh0e0S zmjDOZeFUPbeX/aojJfFLMjQj2QxK76DTOTDgf4oImUZloabwjvwMyPDnj2l8OngbU5E snPz5fuI7C4rUjlDUdDitSLuVn6FsDvozfLJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.231.168 with SMTP id l40mr1547126weq.18.1289522836252; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:47:16 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:47:18 -0000 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! Is this better? > Jos=E9 Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:50:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785B81065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:50:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE378FC1B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1737500wwi.31 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:50:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QWPhrt1mLgI5oT+fCC/AxzIfRoajUaZaeRyuV8SjXSA=; b=skocIMSEg9Cj/e5FZ3/O3pre1VHXgbklnog0JHlbUQ4iHxQ1tBA3yh6nWiDWnFPe0s fmhWw85tHVbTKUH2r0BxlB0HDkE8ejyuYRU9W/hTZpiDUczmsezr9NOROD8Qv40iIpAq dGHb+C3N5S29wBCaLLKGAzufIl7v36CQD6WZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gJUtGmads0m47t5AmQoiOcAw8V4boEV0O0KZtHB14vMDPjokT4oaLE8XL6YzhIiDBs r4kxpOlblECGncgv6TquQFT0OZK79qUuao+ZQSyfKHCP+MWRHIA0bLEf6hbOVclvfTbA g/YYqvhJ9CKpeYA099eLDp+exSbKaUjaf5Glk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.49.211 with SMTP id x61mr1563919web.3.1289523001000; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:50:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:50:00 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:50:09 -0000 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : > 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run aw= ay! > > > Is this better? > (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 00:54:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ECC106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCDB8FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9FA50AEA; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:53:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6793C31E; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:53:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B823C303; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:53:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:53:51 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'nealhogan@gmail.com'" , "'jmlsilveira@gmail.com'" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:53:50 -0600 Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? Thread-Index: AcuCA5yg14cVSAJgSgW1l5+hbARS5wAAHVBT Message-ID: <13183_1289523231_4CDC901F_13183_3537_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:55:37 -0000 --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:21:01AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Polytropon wrote: >=20 > > The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid > > using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting > > information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI > > alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. > > Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling > > and "experience", but are useless to those who want to achieve > > a certain goal with it. >=20 > Another strength, potentially large but all-too-frequently > overlooked entirely, is as a learning aid. In the situation > that operations in the GUI map reasonably well to TUI commands > -- which by definition includes cases in which the GUI is used > as a front-end to issue commands to an external TUI-based program > -- the GUI really should have a mode wherein it displays or logs > the TUI commands that it is performing. I agree. That is one type of GUI I would really love to see getting more popular. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcjxYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXRCgCg2XtB0QyLz6VFTu2l4cBOsHbG CZUAnjKQ6Kh3LxdrB7bLRw+Pd2iUTpEL =qgk9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aVD9QWMuhilNxW9f-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 01:06:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D1C1065675 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0008FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGhx6-0003af-Se for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:57:18 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:06:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:06:52 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20101112010652.GP47246@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oCBD0SPT9UHZkBMO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:06:57 -0000 --oCBD0SPT9UHZkBMO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >=20 > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! >=20 > Jos=E9 Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my jwishes are safe in the jwish jwawrer. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --oCBD0SPT9UHZkBMO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3JMsAAoJEIpckszW26+R5WIH/jGgJibrTWKAhu+8UMCu7vft bZuPaai4RCqKHuf8f4ZRLACtgYAr/bpvh/mog84OWz72Co7BQICKNOgn1nZH7tSe 4i4N5wI1/6SVaMS1FY2syeZBytioIhye9T4n7I0g2yFN19UhiXRJ8C5DlhfLDHRn Qsamcz1xf9q07kEPRgRG5THHIlLuNrcB7tlyKRQzZI7pyHw07earN1MYak3wRzqa O/ZSWm0RHMbnP2G12kFDej7/BNawCUEhrDOxMvNlkCuysuk7/YvNIPH0iq1++cbd HbQrWlhgmSWkZAC5pF1bBtl32DplAvaRM8kJBhaMh4inSDarb5nBudM8lHgjW8A= =mzVG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oCBD0SPT9UHZkBMO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 01:09:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36544106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:09:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0938FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AAB26259E1; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:09:38 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mD-K1xjTZAgO; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:09:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6FB826259DF; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:09:36 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <20101112010652.GP47246@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:09:34 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1727D5B0-E9A3-4134-97C0-CA931DE263DC@cwis.biz> References: <20101112010652.GP47246@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> To: Chip Camden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:09:37 -0000 LMFAO! I wish I had caught that. My muslins, OTOH, are jwrapped around my photo studio. On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >>=20 >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run = away! >>=20 >> Jos=E9 Silveira >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my = jwishes > are safe in the jwish jwawrer. >=20 > --=20 > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | = 2048D/3A978E4F > http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | = http://chipsquips.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 01:16:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C4F10656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F428FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (emlpfilt4.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70103509B5; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 66E905788C9; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4DB5788C7; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:16:38 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'ryan.coleman@cwis.biz'" , "'sterling@camdensoftware.com'" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:16:37 -0600 Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? Thread-Index: AcuCBlo/+WI6Tk0vRdyrAQUz+1yKiQAAOY60 Message-ID: <23160_1289524598_4CDC9576_23160_1174_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4D@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:25:45 -0000 --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 06:10:54PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi wr= ote: > > A GUI provids a =A0_fixed_ set of predefined operations that it is poss= ible to > > perform. > > > > IF your needs are met =3Dentirely=3D by the provided operations, great.= =A0If not, > > you're dead in the water, without any way to accomplish the task. >=20 > How is this different from the command line? If I have a set of data > and want to sort it in a way that "sort" doesn't have an argument for, > I'm just as dead in the water as with the GUI. In fact, with the GUI I > am probably better off because I can see that this is not supported > within the program, without having to use the documentation. It is different in that multiple tools are easily chained together via the Unix pipeline, whereas a single GUI has to encompass all of the actions possible to perform at a single time, thus resulting in a far more narrow set of limitations on what can reasonably be provided as options. In fact, a set of CLI filters linked together by the Unix pipeline (or even a DOS pipeline, at least in theory) is essentially infinitely extensible to provide surprising levels of automation customizability that might astonish the earlier creators of some of the older tools being used, while an extension system for a GUI application necessarily has to predefine what is possible, and obfuscates the inner workings of the extended application behind designs that are largely opaque to the user. > > > > GUIs are great for the casual user, because they provide a consistent '= look&feel' > > acrross the spectrum of apps available under them, and, _generally_ wha= t you > > learn =A0from using one application 'generalizes' to any other app that= runs under > > the same GUI. > > > > OTOH, a GUI is the worst thing in the world for 'production' use. =A0It= absolutely > > _kills_ productivity for production tasks. =A0Automation for productivi= ty _REQUIRES_ > > a complete/comprehensive command =A0language. > > > > With a command language, you can 'automate' a series of operations by s= imply > > listing the commands in a file, and feeding that file to the command-pr= ocessor > > input. > > > > With a GUI there is no way to describe the series of mouse 'motions'/'c= licks'/ > > 'double-clicks'/'drags' and keypresses required to perform an operation. > > 'screen coordinates' are meaningless when a window, or icon, or button,= may be > > 'repositioned' at will. > > > > An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command= language, > > but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it does= n't > > 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any ot= her app) > > *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves mor= e than > > the single app. >=20 > The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get > input into a program? You might be surprised by how many different ways of getting data into a program can be accomplished with a simple Perl idiom like this: while (<>) { } It gets pretty generalized in a hurry. >=20 > On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File > > Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same > everywhere. =2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific, and non-general. >=20 > > > > Years ago, I worked at a place that, among other things, produced a ref= erence > > manual of statistical data for our cusotmers. =A0About 800 pages of tab= ular data, > > practically all of it updated on a staggered, monthly basis. =A0In the = 'early' > > days (MS-DOS vintage, before 'windows'), =A0each table was kept in a se= parate > > spreadsheet, which _did_ require the redundant entry of a _small_ amoun= t of > > the data. OTOH two (or more) differnt people could be updatdin differen= t paes > > simultaneously, regardless of whether or not they were 'related'. =A0An= d, at > > the end of the week, when it was time to send out the weeks 'updates' t= o the > > customers, =A0we had a simple little '.BAT file, each line of which; (a= ) invoked > > the spreadsheet =A0(b) specified the spreadsheet file to use, and (c) i= nvoked > > a 'start-up macro' that printed the contents of the spreadseet, and exi= ted > > the program. =A0Thus, on 'publication' day it was just type in the name= of the > > '.BAT file and everthing got printed. =A0It took an hour or two -- of _= machine_time_ > > that is, but _zero_ human intervention. > > > > Fast forward a few years, =A0a new-hire analyist (in a senior capacity)= felt > > humiliated at having to use this 'old' technology (they had Windows at = his > > prior employer), and made a big enough stink about it that the shop upg= raded > > to Windows just to keep him happy. He proceeds to bundle all 'his' spre= adsheets > > into a single workbook, so that only one person can be working on any o= f them > > at any given time, and, on 'publication day', somebody had to sit there= and > > click on each relevant/changed =A0sheet in the workbook, click on' file= ', click > > on print, select the page to print, and click 'doit'. =A0 What a *wonde= rful* > > productivity increase!! =A0We've now got a system that requires a -huma= n- to > > play babysitttr the machine. =A0For a couple of -hours- every week. =A0= all to save > > the complainer from having to enter a few numbers redundantly. >=20 > This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format > changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the > original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given task. It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's tolerance for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. This is the kind of thinking that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. >=20 > However, it still points out one of the biggest problems with the CLI > - there is a barrier to entry in knowing what commands to run with > what arguments to make everything work the way you want. File > Print > was easy for your office staff to figure out. The CLI equivalent > apparently wasn't. That was not evident in the explanation of what happened. The explanation suggested nothing about the batch file in question being difficult to use (or "figure out"). From the sound of it, three instructions on a 3x5 card would have sufficed to ensure everybody knew what to do, except in the case of people who do not know how to operate a keyboard. >=20 > I think many here are underestimating the value of GUIs, because they > have been running many of these traditional UNIX commands for years > (or decades) and are also technically oriented enough that learning > them in the first place wasn't a big deal. I think that GUIs are quite valuable when used where appropriate. I think that the rest of the time, people greatly exaggerate the value of the GUI, to the extent that they begin to think the CLI (as well as TUIs in general) has no value at all. I used to be one of those idiots, and there was a time when I would have been on your side of this little debate. That was almost fifteen years ago. Times change, and I grow in knowledge and experience. The end result is that I believe those who are competent to operate a computer professionally would benefit from learning how to use the command line for those tasks that are more efficiently performed without the GUI mediating the experience, at least for almost any task that is performed with any regularity at all. Obviously, many tasks related to visually oriented work like image editing are excepted from this. Such tasks are a minority, however, where non-casual use is concerned. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcliYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWbLwCg5NAoJKyBC+ZyOettPWGlelBo XP0AoLS9r+0eZETo1z62tP+8e1HHEEYh =A4bj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yVhtmJPUSI46BTXb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 01:26:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B876106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0DD8FC24 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1765225wwi.31 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KEddzxXT7OGUM3WOBYGPUytOIz9mf2C9eO2COlD021U=; b=e13KuBvFPx31sKO4thE54OyhJWIrFouvfuZeLLVrXFqdNAp5mH7Ms/IznApfJmHa5e NNJ8Sf2A0iFggypQPH5VR/3IJ37etQuaep/1BFIFoX8xMwmOns2UqZcuNeXCWtVyGqvr b75pS8o0FO0+I3Bo3Ggib8XELTfPdZyNUEViY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ey/PGpCwLCwgFPxh7U3WoU/B2nv9z7DfbjvUDVbtUIJuQRz7gKrRl58gjEX9oH6Dse UTNXbouNrr2A0vp/JQW8oxTMDzE3Dt8UMy+krmGk6z1LcX/hTW3EVDYxthi0/ewg1+20 XJLkkXzdAyjSL/YMNzVgayzRVAj0Sm/6eSdYI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.49.211 with SMTP id x61mr1596622web.3.1289525177584; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:26:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <13183_1289523231_4CDC901F_13183_3537_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <13183_1289523231_4CDC901F_13183_3537_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:26:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "jmlsilveira@gmail.com" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:26:19 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!! > I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I wish I had last time but f'd it up. I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by "evil" daemons would appreciate the "holy" ones. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > To: Jos=E9 Silveira > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Thu Nov 11 18:50:00 2010 > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : >> 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : >>> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >>> >>> For me it is nonsense... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:32:02 -0000 --x4pBfXISqBoDm8sr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 06:09:15PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 > Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > > However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running > > automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way > > to do it. It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of > > abstraction (the UI), and then working around it. >=20 > This is why at least on Windows there's often a C/COM/.NET API that > allows the same level of control that the GUI provides, so that > customers can automate tasks. It's too bad such APIs require so much more knowledge, and present so much more of a barrier to entry for automating tasks, than a simpler CLI filter's interface provides via something like the Unix pipeline. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --x4pBfXISqBoDm8sr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcl58ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUTHQCcC8T0B8HgZ8RCwgK2MR6PNTPT RSIAnjlznQlKpFO2cohvneEeQdAvmnMt =sF1w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x4pBfXISqBoDm8sr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:28:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6A21065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403B88FC24 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so342726wya.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:28:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cmZeiQdzwDM5dLDgK+JlNc/YcOySFlqy6Fnqz5mlv9E=; b=Y0dETTceBk+yZ0wwFgOH7/y2toojadZPUqXfB9gX4JAHy21/SHl5QL6UxuUMpAE/+h qPWrqrPDy3wG95cyPRXgWQGIe9PJPCQ0FMSOu8VxT/gR3mZw9020bVifjSSK7OtcOjjj mQt+Z+GX/J68FHtqVBAUlID/4iEeweOSTydyw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s1xK1JDePQDScg2s88W1Tu2qMUyWz2ELgJZu7ZK4AsMZzwC+wImXJQK+VzjBOFJT12 B4u80/P2wQv2kxTLcDtCyXWYTVvMfffWtyIH8NQFikDYMN6aqOhSNb4q79f4QHl/GxeR +Z4ffmeGumpNykFSVLEFQFutKlmhsZFNcQFf8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.2 with SMTP id j2mr1794519wea.33.1289528933441; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:28:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:28:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:28:56 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jos=E9 Silveira Date: 2010/11/11 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Neal Hogan What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan > > 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : > > 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : > >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > >> > >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run = away! > > > > > > Is this better? > > > > (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:29:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFAE1065709 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14C08FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1809932wwi.31 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:29:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.202 with SMTP id a10mr358118wbj.84.1289528960549; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:29:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:29:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:29:20 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: w_qdv9W5Z3S-xh5EypK2ULIvb0g Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:29:22 -0000 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! > > Jos=E9 Silveira Oh shit... here we go again! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:36:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155A41065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A652F8FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so348217wya.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:36:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.69.202 with SMTP id a10mr363483wbj.84.1289529389085; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:36:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:36:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:36:29 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: LiliLdv6wTqYZ7T6icWWlfKgDfk Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Neal Hogan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:36:31 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jos=E9 Silveira > Date: 2010/11/11 > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > To: Neal Hogan > > > What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me > this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! > First, please don't top-post. Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap once again. Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave. > 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan >> >> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : >> > 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : >> >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> >> >> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run= away! >> > >> > >> > Is this better? >> > >> >> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:39:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6D91065696 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B191C8FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so350778wya.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:39:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GbmMeYf2LNoXwJDW00ipZv13DjVHonOrVXZs+GO+xAs=; b=ItxDjpInyNHZKE+wpakNsLYoKu+ssFZWGYvxQstXx5b3567+QoBzW07fE+PQxFqkQq iNJAeSks+wrZbZZHWr0RPaedc/IcaPX1F7xctJHL5/D2Ja8dxY9XuvCqNOK7XFlWeXKH bLIUSTmIYLtaKIcdfk2bTMEjxyhHyXZ0NTTmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YMh4sx2+28SbEyWW4aGt1KJc80CGbGWck+6HBD53scfYcHl03ENAjbBNJuo6w+H//8 1+B+jPq68SL2EwLQoivZZ2JfVaY72XChKC+5JBlWI/3UPOWXWKTCmlIRIyMwsfJ97orF kVIh6O4Rx3u73OoFQCXpSQ0Pf4EL6Y8t9Z4yA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.163.80 with SMTP id z58mr3957240wek.33.1289529584315; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:39:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:39:44 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Alejandro Imass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:39:46 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Jos=E9 Silveira >> Date: 2010/11/11 >> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> To: Neal Hogan >> >> >> What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me >> this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! >> > > First, please don't top-post. > Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap > once again. > Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leav= e. > I hear ya . . . I'm done . . . I was just messin' around From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:40:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B7F10656A5 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbiquez@intranet.com.mx) Received: from intranet.com.mx (intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4858FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PC2.intranet.com.mx (189.144.44.143) by intranet.com.mx with ESMTP (EIMS X 3.3.9) for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:29:40 -0600 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:25:55 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3372373780-527895539@intranet.com.mx> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:04 -0000 hello all. Some times during the year this kind of threads=20 generates a lot more answers and immediate=20 responses like any other........ I like it! it=20 makes me laugh and makes forget some real problems.... thanks a lot! Jorge Biquez At 07:16 p.m. 11/11/2010, you wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" > >Well, if nothing else this thread is proving to at least be good for a= laugh! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > >To: Chip Camden >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org >Sent: Thu Nov 11 19:09:34 2010 Subject: Re: Why=20 >do you use a devil as a mascot? > >LMFAO! I wish I had caught that. > >My muslins, OTOH, are jwrapped around my photo studio. > >On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Jos Silveira on Thursday, 11 November 2010: > >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > >> > >> For me it is nonsense... It makes=20 > Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! > >> > >> Jos=C3=A9 Silveira > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > My muslins are staying where they are in the linen closet, and my= jwishes > > are safe in the jwish jwawrer. > > > > -- > > Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F > > http://camdensoftware.com |=20 > http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to= "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > style=3D'border:none;border-bottom:double=20 >windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>=20 > "This email is intended to be reviewed by=20 >only the intended recipient and may contain=20 >information that is privileged and/or=20 >confidential. 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If you have=20 >received this email in error, please immediately=20 >notify the sender by return email and delete=20 >this email from your system." =20 >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to= "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 02:40:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74081065696 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7D58FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375EC26259EF; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:40:08 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ekp+iaDPapwk; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:40:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64FBB26259EE; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:40:06 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:40:03 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Alejandro Imass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Free BSD Questions list , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:40:06 -0000 He was forwarding and Jos=E9 top-posted on a private response. And I will top-post til the day I die. :) On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan = wrote: >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Jos=E9 Silveira >> Date: 2010/11/11 >> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> To: Neal Hogan >>=20 >>=20 >> What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me >> this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! >>=20 >=20 > First, please don't top-post. > Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap > once again. > Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just = leave. >=20 >=20 >> 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan >>>=20 >>> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : >>>> 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : >>>>> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >>>>>=20 >>>>> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins = run away! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Is this better? >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 03:41:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109A1106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E8D8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FFF26259FF for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:41:48 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O46tHIPl8AaI for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:41:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 304DF26259FD for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:41:45 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3372373780-527895539@intranet.com.mx> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:41:40 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3372373780-527895539@intranet.com.mx> To: Free BSD Questions list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Routing issue? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:49 -0000 I'm trying to get the other half of my business up on my second IP. It's not routing. This is not a multi-homed system, but two IPs in the = same subnet. [root@server /usr/home/ryan]# netstat -nr=20 Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif = Expire default 70.89.123.6 UGS 7 1090 em0 70.89.123.0/29 link#1 U 2 837 em0 70.89.123.4 link#2 UHS 0 25 lo0 70.89.123.5 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 link#5 UH 0 863 lo0 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags = Netif Expire ::1 ::1 UH = lo0 fe80::%lo0/64 link#5 U = lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#5 UHS = lo0 ff01:5::/32 fe80::1%lo0 U = lo0 ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U = lo0 ifconfig_em0=3D"inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248" ifconfig_em1=3D"inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248" defaultrouter=3D"70.89.123.6" hostname=3D"se******.somehtingelse.biz" I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it = already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. I'm really lost.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 03:59:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04560106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from firas@fkraiem.org) Received: from smtpfb1-g21.free.fr (smtpfb1-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726EA8FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr (smtp2-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.2]) by smtpfb1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A8B2D86A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:43:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from aoba.local (unknown [88.186.124.91]) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938084B001D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:43:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDCB7E0.7060305@fkraiem.org> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:43:28 +0100 From: Firas Kraiem User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: AR5212 woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:59:28 -0000 Hi everyone I have an Atheros wifi card that is giving me some headaches. It's supposed to be an AR5212-based card, and is detected as such, dmesg on 8.1-RELEASE says: ath0: mem 0xa0010000-0xa001ffff irq 11 at device 14.0 on pci0 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: AR5212 mac 5.6 RF5111 phy 4.1 However, when I try to bring it up, no joy: # ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:04:e2:a1:ee:a2 # ifconfig wlan0 up ath0: ath_chan_set: unable to reset channel 1 (2412 MHz, flags 0x480),hal status 3 And it continuously sends messages similar to the last one until I reboot. I noticed that on the chipset it is written "AR5212A", could it be a newer "revision" that is incompatible with the driver? Google hasn't been of much help. Thanks Firas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:00:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A9D106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF0F8FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (mailhost.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF96350A6D; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C4EED5788D3; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8DE5788D2; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:40 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'ryan.coleman@cwis.biz'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:40 -0600 Thread-Topic: Routing issue? Thread-Index: AcuCG5t82nOBlAd9Q/O2klfemchQvAAAo/SE Message-ID: <2749_1289534440_4CDCBBE8_2749_627_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: Routing issue? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:06:11 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote= : > He was forwarding and Jos=E9 top-posted on a private response. > > And I will top-post til the day I die. > > :) > Please follow list expectations, if you don't like it find another list. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#ETIQ= UETTE-REPLYING --=20 Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:06:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52F010656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BCE8FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7B42625A02; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:06:18 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3A6Mhn5Ggrsj; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:06:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 227952625A01; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:06:17 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <2749_1289534440_4CDCBBE8_2749_627_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:06:16 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2749_1289534440_4CDCBBE8_2749_627_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> To: Gary Gatten X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: {Solved} Re: Routing issue? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:06:20 -0000 It didn't work until I bridged the connections. [root@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge create bridge0 [root@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge0 bridge0: flags=3D8802 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 0a:df:a2:b3:3e:96 id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 32768 hellotime 2 fwddelay 15 maxage 20 holdcnt 6 proto rstp maxaddr 100 timeout 1200 root id 00:00:00:00:00:00 priority 0 ifcost 0 port 0 [root@server /usr/home/ryan]# ifconfig bridge0 addm em0 addm em1 up On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > What exactly isn't working? You don't have two L3 nets, but two ips on = the same net - nothing to route, except the default. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org = > To: Free BSD Questions list > Sent: Thu Nov 11 21:41:40 2010 > Subject: Routing issue? >=20 > I'm trying to get the other half of my business up on my second IP. >=20 > It's not routing. This is not a multi-homed system, but two IPs in the = same subnet. >=20 >=20 > [root@server /usr/home/ryan]# netstat -nr=20 > Routing tables >=20 > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif = Expire > default 70.89.123.6 UGS 7 1090 em0 > 70.89.123.0/29 link#1 U 2 837 em0 > 70.89.123.4 link#2 UHS 0 25 lo0 > 70.89.123.5 link#1 UHS 0 0 lo0 > 127.0.0.1 link#5 UH 0 863 lo0 >=20 > Internet6: > Destination Gateway Flags = Netif Expire > ::1 ::1 UH = lo0 > fe80::%lo0/64 link#5 U = lo0 > fe80::1%lo0 link#5 UHS = lo0 > ff01:5::/32 fe80::1%lo0 U = lo0 > ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U = lo0 >=20 > ifconfig_em0=3D"inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248" > ifconfig_em1=3D"inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248" > defaultrouter=3D"70.89.123.6" > hostname=3D"se******.somehtingelse.biz" >=20 >=20 > I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it = already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. >=20 > I'm really lost._______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >
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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:06:54 -0000 On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Ryan Coleman = wrote: > He was forwarding and Jos=E9 top-posted on a private response. >=20 > And I will top-post til the day I die. >=20 > :) >=20 > Please follow list expectations, if you don't like it find another = list. >=20 > = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#ETI= QUETTE-REPLYING >=20 > --=20 > Adam Vande More Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It makes = quick checking of email impossible. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:27:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887FA1065679 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:27:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5097F8FC2B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23510 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 04:27:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 04:27:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XH6LhpLiMN6uwVSQsOXyis4ezxVrWOxPLQkYzjysB8g1ohT0xEvlCkO/uzSbiEmxch+f8ZofGq1mbrO9LG3lGFWNe+XdfSnAxRKTTjkcqXP3zb07LNKpleidnhFFgtQp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGlEq-0003Vz-CU for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:27:49 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:39 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20101112042139.GA36792@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:27:50 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +0000, Jos=E9 Silveira wrote: > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >=20 > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! Perhaps it is merely an effective booby trap to catch small-minded people who are too narrow in their thinking to consider doing something intelligent like search the Web, Wikipedia, or the mailing list archives for an answer to this question. It's not like it doesn't come up every damned six months. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcwNMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVpbwCfYdOyL+kvST/F9jFpJEClID2U TSoAoNm7W9Cs5EkfNfsFOkx6lOUeS9q4 =mTcm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:30:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95732106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:30:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57D208FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19366 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 04:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 04:30:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=M5MgMypdrbz6w23R2oCcL2da2cIcg+RkCWhtyMB6eQ5XDq9RddeVajaHgLOfmemjbgnpSFM6QJR6MgIt4FNP82a/LR8lQLbKwixpYjWyxV63OBjFwI723GCXWKAmfMrD; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGlH9-00060K-8V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:30:12 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:24:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:24:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101112042401.GB36792@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qcHopEYAB45HaUaB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:30:13 -0000 --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: > He was forwarding and Jos=E9 top-posted on a private response. >=20 > And I will top-post til the day I die. Hurry up. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcwWEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXxOgCgpuKNZAE3UVLloyis0nHzRD5M Ug8AoKDQP2yGVfWz8AZINw4pnY7hjZjJ =4VKd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:34:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F33610656A3 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF2C8FC22 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD41120D6; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Ryan Coleman References: <43B0E188-8A80-48A7-9686-B6A9E39FBB13@cwis.biz> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.15.9; tzolkin = 13 Muluc; haab = 2 Ceh Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:34:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: <43B0E188-8A80-48A7-9686-B6A9E39FBB13@cwis.biz> (Ryan Coleman's message of "Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:06:51 -0600") Message-ID: <86y68z6tz5.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Adam Vande More , Alejandro Imass , Free BSD Questions list , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:34:07 -0000 >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan Coleman writes: Ryan> Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It Ryan> makes quick checking of email impossible. Only when people don't properly trim... another necessary item in posting, whether top *or* bottom. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:35:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8F110656A5 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 688298FC33 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25199 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 04:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 04:35:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JV4S+7/8j5vMY00y38noVXiqG52tjO9AB2b2qF4cZEnhUZzcCJS3LCTI7sLUxxRKOSu2JRDBp5TBhEBeaPUg/QKE7d5IWDwIFdcnpAoXGqHDpFiG/DY/nFBwRjczznqo; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGlLp-0002Ss-Ow for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:35:02 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:52 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101112042852.GC36792@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: <43B0E188-8A80-48A7-9686-B6A9E39FBB13@cwis.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43B0E188-8A80-48A7-9686-B6A9E39FBB13@cwis.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:35:03 -0000 --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:06:51PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: >=20 > Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It makes > quick checking of email impossible. Start a different mailing list, then, where the rule is top-posting. The fact you do not like answering in natural text order does not excuse you for behaving in an antisocial manner that violates list guidelines and cultural norms here at freebsd-questions. Of course, if you want have mailing lists that are conducive to very quick checking, you should probably choose a mailing list with less technical content. One of the reason top posting is considered harmful on lists like this is that it is not conducive to combining context with response. This approach is better for in-depth discussion; top-posting is better for IM-like responses that do not require any thought. If you prefer thoughtless "discussion", go somewhere that is the norm. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcwoQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXHtgCgzBCu9V08vFH08+GGTfhTCXb6 2JoAn1XT+sAFHI+TmfpG9x0ZjgZxCxO1 =VMeD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 04:49:48 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69C9106567A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:49:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D16D8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1957681fxm.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:49:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=094aTPC6KQ7JiXzZ6xEIDTGA/kWjLrH7AlHFx6FtG5I=; b=dnWiInY+DsZCugqJbWgPiPEAy+F6f0oU1PBJmX9EwACgxfiEcSy/4op4w+kK2AySo5 0rhWbDPIm7G4+wYRBkXEXE+YqOADgjjWivf+m2ewTtEFLWiHlGUTFpsWsVxBDkl60LfM tuqAAfOERhpxajeCBuWx2V6ee68hGRmGx6+5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Ob8LDcCC5Cm3jvRgz3EmqTr/sAhSLkK01eEIKIF+ruGIxoVzMEdU0YQIogDK89X2hs xIfkqHACJTg0vT6BxzsLkZ/rgqDgSJ+14vn7svt/mXU8JWlsPr1FfJi8apW20Hpi/sgp jrw2rJ9Atwlaw7YYxfcz+tav8/xWYgoWtOdJ4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.53.68 with SMTP id l4mr960081fag.44.1289537384921; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.121.138 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:49:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86y68z6tz5.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <43B0E188-8A80-48A7-9686-B6A9E39FBB13@cwis.biz> <86y68z6tz5.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:49:44 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Alejandro Imass , Neal Hogan , Ryan Coleman , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:49:48 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan Coleman writes: > > Ryan> Really... I have a finger for that. I *HATE* bottom posting. It > Ryan> makes quick checking of email impossible. > > Only when people don't properly trim... another necessary item in > posting, whether top *or* bottom. > I thought I remembered this little gem: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/177810.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 05:21:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D70B1065679 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1318FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8so1926776qwj.13 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.2.202 with SMTP id 10mr1706381qak.60.1289539311849; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.119] In-Reply-To: <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:21:52 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin wrote: >> This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format >> changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the >> original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. > > Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to > type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks > thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of > the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given > task. =A0It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's toleran= ce > for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. =A0This is the kind of thinking > that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say exactly what happened. Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed too, and that was really the problem. > > >> >> However, it still points out one of the biggest problems with the CLI >> - there is a barrier to entry in knowing what commands to run with >> what arguments to make everything work the way you want. File > Print >> was easy for your office staff to figure out. The CLI equivalent >> apparently wasn't. > > That was not evident in the explanation of what happened. =A0The > explanation suggested nothing about the batch file in question being > difficult to use (or "figure out"). =A0From the sound of it, three > instructions on a 3x5 card would have sufficed to ensure everybody knew > what to do, except in the case of people who do not know how to operate a > keyboard. My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to use, but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are probably solutions that are more native to the application). >> >> I think many here are underestimating the value of GUIs, because they >> have been running many of these traditional UNIX commands for years >> (or decades) and are also technically oriented enough that learning >> them in the first place wasn't a big deal. > > I think that GUIs are quite valuable when used where appropriate. =A0I > think that the rest of the time, people greatly exaggerate the value of > the GUI, to the extent that they begin to think the CLI (as well as TUIs > in general) has no value at all. =A0I used to be one of those idiots, and > there was a time when I would have been on your side of this little > debate. =A0That was almost fifteen years ago. =A0Times change, and I grow= in > knowledge and experience. =A0The end result is that I believe those who a= re > competent to operate a computer professionally would benefit from > learning how to use the command line for those tasks that are more > efficiently performed without the GUI mediating the experience, at least > for almost any task that is performed with any regularity at all. I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate and move on. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 05:25:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A26106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C20C8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 27305E805BE; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:25:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:25:19 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101112052518.GA27357@thought.org> References: <20101112042401.GB36792@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20101112042401.GB36792@guilt.hydra> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:25:17 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:24:01PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > He was forwarding and Jos top-posted on a private response. > > > > And I will top-post til the day I die. > > Hurry up. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] LOLOLOL; LMAO.... ah, [mumble]. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php An Open Letter to Stephen Hawking http://www.thought.org/#oL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 05:41:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E6C106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C738FC15 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id W4nM1f0031Y3wxoA95hqtL; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:41:50 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.7] ([70.89.202.1]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id W5hn1f00E02K3z28b5hpUe; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:41:50 +0000 References: <20101112042401.GB36792@guilt.hydra> <20101112052518.GA27357@thought.org> Message-Id: From: Ryan Coleman To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20101112052518.GA27357@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B500) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B500) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:42:45 -0600 Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:41:51 -0000 On Nov 11, 2010, at 23:25, Gary Kline wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:24:01PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:40:03PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> He was forwarding and Jos=C3=A9 top-posted on a private response. >>>=20 >>> And I will top-post til the day I die. >>=20 >> Hurry up. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org = ] >=20 > LOLOLOL; LMAO.... ah, [mumble]. At least they can send me email :-)= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 07:22:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCBD106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D3D8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31223 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 07:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 07:22:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=M+yNUs5tXwn/4+DMcUPXAowHCveUu0290XU/DM+8UcQKWl4KyKoLUQYyN5aWlnAemAuoyHzxsmlHkb336cSqrdx2ZW2bQWZTFJ68SmZ4RqInMxafv5fYgusw7LOw4wOG; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGnyJ-0002nh-SZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:22:56 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:16:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:16:46 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E7i4zwmWs5DOuDSH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:22:57 -0000 --E7i4zwmWs5DOuDSH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:21:51PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: >=20 > Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say > exactly what happened. This is true, but I think you assumed some things that were not implied by the description of the situation, and that you missed or ignored other parts of the description, and thus leapt to conclusions about why decisions were made when those conclusions were not the most reasonable. >=20 > Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in > parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed > too, and that was really the problem. In this case, it was clearly stated that the guy combined everything into a single "workbook" so that only one person at a time could work on it. No, a GUI in general does not preclude people working on it, but most GUI programs do, especially when everything's tied together in a single document (for some definition of "document") as was done in this case. Thus, the person's desire to use a particular GUI setup resulted in a process that precluded multiple people working on it at the same time. >=20 > My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to > use, but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that > isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate > this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are > probably solutions that are more native to the application). Yes, it was easy to use but no longer working when the entire process was changed and file formats were altered for no reason other than to start using a particular piece of software -- and to avoid using anything else. Usually, when someone changes a process for the express purpose of using nothing but the tools for the new process, the tools for the old process are out by definition, regardless of whether they're GUI tools. My point, though, was that your statement that this anecdote somehow proves that CLI tools are difficult to use was totally unsupported by the explanation of what happened. >=20 > I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence > with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very > efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've > got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you > keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing > (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably > not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which > is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to > the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never > read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through > the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate > and move on. =2E . . or fail to notice that the program might actually be adequate because you did not bother to press F11. It sounds like in some respects we're violently agreeing with each other. On one hand, I think that CLI programs can be great for frequent tasks, especially if you have something like the Unix pipeline at your disposal to automate complex tasks, and that GUIs have some discoverability advantages; on the other hand, you think that GUI programs can be great for cases where someone does not want to take the time to learn a better way to do something, perhaps because he does not perform the tasks very often, but if you do something often enough it might make sense to learn a more efficient CLI-based way to do it. Another difference in our apparent approaches to this is that I think it's a good idea to favor CLI tools when at all reasonable to do so, while you seem to think it's a good idea to favor GUI tools when at all reasonable to do so. We agree on the extremes, but not in the middle, in other words. I just wish that we could agree without it feeling like you're trying to convince people they shouldn't ever bother learning how to use CLI tools unless they absolutely have to. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --E7i4zwmWs5DOuDSH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzc6d4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVPGwCg4GZgo6THBmpEcWpq7344C6lV jLkAn2g1T5qiEgQPBLk2V0kdMJFMa0tX =4R8N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E7i4zwmWs5DOuDSH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 07:39:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AA2106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:39:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAA8FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAC7dgbM082953; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:39:43 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:39:42 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Derek Funk In-Reply-To: <20101112004729.7F733106578D@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101112181758.O76697@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101112004729.7F733106578D@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPT Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:39:49 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 336, Issue 9, Message: 23 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:45:19 -0600 Derek Funk wrote: > On 11/10/2010 9:34 PM, Mark Caudill wrote: [..] > > just ran `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad12 bs=512` and let it run. That must > > have done the trick because I was then able to partition the disk in > > sysinstall and all is well. What I'm wondering is what really went on > > here? I'm not clear at all as to why FreeBSD (or some mechanism within > > this installation) isn't able to handle this. Or was this a GPT issue at > > all? I'd like to find out what was going on so that I don't chase my > > tail again on issues like this in the future. Thanks. > My understanding is, if you are using FreeBSD 8.x, sysinstall / fdisk > will not write disk partitions. gpart is used now. Your understanding is incorrect. In 8.x you MAY use gpart now, but sysinstall (when running as init from a booted installation medium) still slices and partitions disks fine, and sysinstall - or sade(8) - (when run as a utility from a working system) will indeed write to the boot sectors including MBR, and will happily slice and partition disk/s other than the boot slice, if and only if you have previously set sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 - not called the 'foot-shooting' bit for nothing - so don't forget to set it back to 0 when you've finished. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 08:39:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96D8106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CB38FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.31.11.193] (helo=current.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGpA1-0002LP-Jk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:39:05 +0100 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oAC8d8uR002343 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:39:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id oAC8d8Ip002342 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:39:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: current.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:39:08 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112083907.GA2322@current.Sisis.de> References: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 193.31.11.193 Subject: Re: how to overwrite the content of a file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:39:07 -0000 El da Thursday, November 11, 2010 a las 02:16:33PM -0600, Adam Vande More escribi: > > What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with > > bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the > > file system, but overwrite the old blocks? > > ... > > Well there is "rm -P" although I'm not sure that accomplished exactly what > you are looking for. Yes, thanks. This is exactly what I need. matthias > > -- > Adam Vande More -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 08:45:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A601065694 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ottk@zzz.ee) Received: from zzz.ee (kalah.zzz.ee [194.204.30.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D08FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zzz.ee (localhost.zzz.ee [127.0.0.1]) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4B6FD702 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:22 +0200 (EET) Received: by zzz.ee (Postfix, from userid 3019) id B9D1FFD700; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:22 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin on spamassassin.zzz.ee X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Guessed-Language: X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Checker-URL: http://info.zzz.ee Received: from [172.16.146.201] (unknown [195.222.6.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zzz.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9CD9FD670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:19 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4CDCFA30.30803@zzz.ee> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:24 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ott_K=F6stner?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20101112042139.GA36792@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20101112042139.GA36792@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP @zzz.ee Cc: Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:45:39 -0000 On 12.11.2010 6:21, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:39:28PM +0000, Jos Silveira wrote: >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! > Perhaps it is merely an effective booby trap to catch small-minded people > who are too narrow in their thinking to consider doing something > intelligent like search the Web, Wikipedia, or the mailing list archives > for an answer to this question. It's not like it doesn't come up every > damned six months. > IMHO, this is the best answer so far. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 08:47:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986A1106566B; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrick.bihan-faou@teambox.fr) Received: from smtp.teambox.fr (dedibox.teambox.fr [88.191.109.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1158FC16; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from crest.teambox.fr (crest.mindstep.com [88.167.204.204]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: teambox) by smtp.teambox.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 18778A243FD; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:47:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kawa.local.mindstep.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2FDFDBE68; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:47:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from patrick.bihan-faou@teambox.fr) Received: from kawa.local.mindstep.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kawa.local.mindstep.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kjPQmNw5w6yc; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:47:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.25.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kawa.local.mindstep.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3031CFDB8E9; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:47:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from patrick.bihan-faou@teambox.fr) Message-ID: <4CDCFF30.60307@teambox.fr> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:47:44 +0100 From: Patrick Bihan-Faou Organization: TeamBox SARL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; fr; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <4CC81EE7.4020607@teambox.fr> <1289492183.40288.37.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> In-Reply-To: <1289492183.40288.37.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sorry state of the rsync based CVS,replication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:47:46 -0000 Hi, [...] Regarding the permission of the Attic subdirs in place > The development/ section of the FTP site is something I hadn't looked > at before so it took me a little time to find what populates it and > investigate a little. I *think* the issue with the Attic directories > not including world-read permissions was either an issue with a badly > formed chmod(1) done a long time ago or an issue with the mechanism > that populates that portion of the FTP site missing a umask setting > in the script that does it some time back in history (it's there now). > Not all of the Attic directories had the wrong permissions, it seemed > to stop some time in 2007. > > I adjusted the permissions on ftp-master so hopefully this issue is > fixed. However ... > Great news. I'll check various rsync source later and see if the situation improves. >> We are moving to svn and svnsync for the freebsd source tree (and I am >> happy with this), but the ports do not seem to be available using SVN >> (or not in a documented way). >> >> Can something be done to restore RSYNC mirroring of the CVS tree to a >> working state ? > The FTP site desperately needs to go on a diet so we're poking around > to see if there is some stuff that can be dropped. This section of > the site is a candidate for being removed. As you say the ports are > not available in SVN but I'm curious why you use the content from the > FTP site instead of just using a CVSUP mirror. Is there some benefit > to it? We would sort of like to stop providing this as part of the > FTP site if there really isn't any benefit to it over using the > cvsup mirror infrastructure which won't be going away any time soon. > The benefit is organisational to us. We did use cvsup in the past but it has been a pain to maintain as all the other external sources we keep in sync with use rsync. That combined with the requirement for m3 etc. for the sole purpose of syncing the CVS tree when there are alternatives (rsync for the freebsd cvs tree and more recently svnsync) made the switch to rsync a no brainer (note that this decision was taken long before csup came to life). Don't take this as flamebait, because I have no intention in starting a war on this particular issue, but as good as cvsup is, this is unfortunately a fairly isolated tool that, from my prospective (which is necessarily biaised and incomplete), does not offer any feature compelling enough to prefer it over rsync in our case. That position is by essence just a personal view, applicable to me only and not to anybody else. Also I have to admit that now that the m3 dependency is gone with csup, it becomes easier to return to it. Now if the plan is to eliminate rsync CVS mirroring (and I am in no position to criticize such a decision that is very well justified in your mail), we will of course adapt and go to one of the supported methods for CVS tree mirroring. If this means cvsup only, then we will do it without any hard feeling. I already figured that we must be almost the only ones to use rsync for CVS tree mirroring (otherwise that issue would have been detected and fixed a long time ago), and I don't expect (nor demand) the project to maintain a service for just one user, this would be ridiculous and unreasonable. Anyways, thank you very much for taking the time to look at this issue and hopefully having fixed it. This is really greatly appreciated. Best regards, Patrick. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:05:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E724106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E098FC21 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC95bjP085612; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAC95bK3085609; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> Message-ID: References: <20101111200252.GA1350@tiny.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to overwrite the content of a file X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:05:41 -0000 dd if=/dev/zero of=file seek=x count=y bs=z conv=notrunc will overwrite y blocks of z size beginning from block x On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > Hello, > > What is the best method to overwrite the blocks of a given file with > bytes of 0x00, i.e. not to O_TRUNC away the blocks to the freelist of the > file system, but overwrite the old blocks? > > I've checked > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=file count=4 > > but dd(1) opens the file with O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC which for sure will > give away the old blocks and adquire new blocks. Any idea? > > The background of the question is that I want to make sure, that certain > content is not placed into a dump of the file system before give away > the output of the dump(8). > > Thanks > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:06:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7B1065675 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1373B8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC96H2M085671; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:06:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAC96HV1085668; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:06:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:06:17 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3145303083-549748512-1289552777=:85478" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:06:20 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3145303083-549748512-1289552777=:85478 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? because i use freebsd. and i am a devil. And every true devil use FreeBSD. > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! > > Jos Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --3145303083-549748512-1289552777=:85478-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:08:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E47D10656B6 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8127B8FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC98E5r085787; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:08:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oAC98EYF085784; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:08:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:08:14 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3372373780-527895539@intranet.com.mx> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Routing issue? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:08:25 -0000 > ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U lo0 > > ifconfig_em0="inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248" > ifconfig_em1="inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248" > defaultrouter="70.89.123.6" > hostname="se******.somehtingelse.biz" > > > I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. > > I'm really lost._______________________________________________ you can't have 2 gateways. but you may configure ipfw firewall and use it's fwd function to define exactly what is routed through what, whatever your wish is. not that long ago i had 7 links to my server doing ISP business, as there was no way to get single large link that place. no problems From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:35:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00C710656A6 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1368FC2C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C552625A4D; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:35:18 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JhKAuLMRqjQF; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:35:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50EA72625A4C; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:35:17 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:35:16 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <332E7AD9-5A50-4E7C-9AF3-7D36D3560FBF@cwis.biz> References: <3372373780-527895539@intranet.com.mx> To: Wojciech Puchar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Routing issue? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:35:19 -0000 As mentioned before, this is already solved. On Nov 12, 2010, at 3:08 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> ff02::%lo0/32 fe80::1%lo0 U = lo0 >>=20 >> ifconfig_em0=3D"inet 70.89.123.5 netmask 255.255.255.248" >> ifconfig_em1=3D"inet 70.89.123.4 netmask 255.255.255.248" >> defaultrouter=3D"70.89.123.6" >> hostname=3D"se******.somehtingelse.biz" >>=20 >>=20 >> I tried to add the gateway for link2 but it's not taking since it = already exists, and I've run multiple IP'd servers before without issue. >>=20 >> I'm really lost._______________________________________________ > you can't have 2 gateways. >=20 > but you may configure ipfw firewall and use it's fwd function to = define exactly what is routed through what, whatever your wish is. >=20 > not that long ago i had 7 links to my server doing ISP business, as = there was no way to get single large link that place. >=20 > no problems > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:38:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357EA106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B9A8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so2826780bwz.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:38:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3/Jwa4MhXmSReMrvNceWdvgOmPU6WaePNX9sOqjbMw4=; b=epTLwNmr25K+fvBUegJPKHZGmrRSqUnasuXWhXBtjMrS3URTgGGC1zqKYIY7OUsnDN 2Gfi3Fk7qPS4ABQSm5bh53Bo0VngP9c6pdZB9Lc7cy0DKR3Oh3fL3enwXNHZHh9NY0hL MkQbYOmqQ4VNcW2g0tB2euozJyfPqKO/KN+Xc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=TXjAtxBpLA1lMNkeOLAg/ZiNte/e074kyDgQI3Lvlte0L0Bhcw0j/UFRhoRCOrlnA8 GrnAYwYJiVf3AVhTrZWG6F/8ueNjrhOYFhnbjgGcaR4exwcagNGgvZpXTKAetOJucoWY bhUvdKgZ6QkDrNK5oJWcA2uNWQWNvbftVM74o= Received: by 10.204.117.134 with SMTP id r6mr2547367bkq.142.1289554720533; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:38:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: abalour@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.140.193 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:38:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ross Cameron Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:38:19 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9DLPCZPwzUbPhtrguJdK1d4ySDs Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ross.cameron@linuxpro.co.za List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:38:42 -0000 2010/11/12 Jos=C3=A9 Silveira > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! Because we don't want narrow minded, religious bigots clogging up the mailing lists like this one. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:49:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D911065695 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484538FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsd.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.59] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGqFm-0003DD-8h; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:06 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PGqFm-0001Aj-0T; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:06 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC9n5P5001319; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:05 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oAC9n5ts001318; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:05 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bristol.ac.uk using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:05 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: Ross Cameron Message-ID: <20101112094905.GA1257@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Ross Cameron , Jos?? Silveira , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Jos?? Silveira , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:08 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:38:19AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote: > 2010/11/12 Jos?? Silveira > > > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! who are the Muslins and Jwishes anyway? Some form of Martin life? I've never heard of them. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:50:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2A21065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:50:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E588FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC9nwlE083908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:50:05 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk oAC9nwlE083908 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1289555405; bh=YeQgu3RoIDA24whBnQWcv3j1O4unX2O/PmF0HaF/oDg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4CDD0DBD.3080906@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20F ri,=2012=20Nov=202010=2009:49:49=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.12)=20Gecko/20101027=20Thunderbird/3.1.6|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Why=20do=2 0you=20use=20a=20devil=20as=20a=20mascot?|References:=20=20|In-Rep ly-To:=20|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/ signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/p gp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigF47EB00202D92 26003685ED1"; b=b94QLr1H8r9K2pZwPiDxFMR8wCWR0M9QDLBWCTNhrWjrg6kg/M3uaxyRz7faJlwWu Bx4Q8vYVHoQAa0srZLpMybaaFXtyAASMzvKEmLhQRbZE3B/FWsUsI86aGZ7ZH/mzOZ F+QmMhPpsAnF76yQPcKyYQu3Aj2vAXT1UywTfic8= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4CDD0DBD.3080906@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:49:49 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF47EB00202D9226003685ED1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:50:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF47EB00202D9226003685ED1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/11/2010 09:38, Ross Cameron wrote: > 2010/11/12 Jos=C3=A9 Silveira >=20 >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run = away! >=20 >=20 > Because we don't want narrow minded, religious bigots clogging up the > mailing lists like this one. Didn't you know? It's an international conspiracy between (inter alia) The FreeBSD Project, Manchester United Football Club and the Parachute Regiment display team. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF47EB00202D9226003685ED1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzdDcQACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwTSQCfbbkKbswBSJGUWHh/5woZw35O nGgAnRJdWWJACzZD+tOhMgHT6OAChsd2 =0W+f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF47EB00202D9226003685ED1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 09:55:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8C810656AC for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from cp-out8.libero.it (cp-out8.libero.it [212.52.84.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991A8FC1B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from soth.ventu (151.51.20.18) by cp-out8.libero.it (8.5.107) id 4CDBE27C0022779D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:54:58 +0100 Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oAC9srCc071921 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:54:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4CDD0EED.1040703@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:54:53 +0100 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; it-IT; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101028 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CBCA3CD.8080001@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <4CBCA3CD.8080001@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.1.2.13 Subject: Re: FTP like web app X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:55:00 -0000 On 10/18/10 21:45, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I'm looking for an app that should: > _ replace an ftp server; > _ have a web interface; > _ run on FreeBSD; > _ let one of my users upload some file and send a link to someone else; > _ let that someone else download that file without seeing others' stuff; > _ possibily notify the uploader when someone else downloads that file. > > Any hint? Thanks to anyone who replied. In the end I installed SynaMan (http://web.synametrics.com/SynaMan.htm). We are still evaluating it, but it looks like it does 95% of what we need. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 11:41:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB06C106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7493E8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so745696wya.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.21 with SMTP id i21mr2250165wbw.26.1289562067027; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 03:41:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:41:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lLzNHBJY1vsnTVd-9E60YG1qWuw Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Free BSD Questions list , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:41:08 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote= : > He was forwarding and Jos=E9 top-posted on a private response. > > And I will top-post til the day I die. > > :) > I'm sorry Neal my bad, I wasn't in a joke mood and didn't realize the fwd. It's just that this devil religious crap really got to me this time. Cheers, Alex > On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Jos=E9 Silveira >>> Date: 2010/11/11 >>> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >>> To: Neal Hogan >>> >>> >>> What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me >>> this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! >>> >> >> First, please don't top-post. >> Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap >> once again. >> Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just lea= ve. >> >> >>> 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan >>>> >>>> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : >>>>> 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : >>>>>> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >>>>>> >>>>>> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins ru= n away! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is this better? >>>>> >>>> >>>> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= .org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 12:24:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D635106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmlsilveira@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B118FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so3437722iwn.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:24:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k7F1wHKpZlnqdxeHDal1nG1WBXc3x9wPrZ4uQvOaXyI=; b=j/E9ywRglO7cPlp2IDvbTS7ycNAVPx6lhRx2Od5b/22ZctZuOB5OBHX5EKUXRFukof qOj5L13gCkliU+bTIytYZsl0JlcPajwwO0HsDKg8EdPeqyZh+atUnjD8XhoYWVso8SXe E+u5Acw2EtSEmun+x7eKPvR/YizlzYE7OEV68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=EsbiCyKcmIQP4G3XFKIb6pd/m1GPr2la2FFOr8QyBKxgbF+sdO+IzGUtm8hLtQOFYp nAjXRzptlZhHrtXe39LyomMdJ11D7KraDBATMB5MNFAWuNeh7aruHqk/FuMm25/Ra6yy neblAl1aMC1H2OS6TsH630+ihQPV1prwdDots= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.68 with SMTP id o4mr1908385ibd.65.1289564695744; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.195.70 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:24:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:38:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:56 -0000 You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of freeeBSD. Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many rage and movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got thousands of answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You can drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 12:40:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB7A106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from indexer@internode.on.net) Received: from mail.internode.on.net (bld-mail12.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA808FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mai.dhcp.chocolate.lan (unverified [203.122.194.109]) by mail.internode.on.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 46265302-1927428 for multiple; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:10:55 +1030 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Indexer In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:10:49 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <75EFDE29-BE06-473D-97D2-5FDAAB8A26D1@internode.on.net> References: To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:40:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/11/2010, at 22:54, Jos=E9 Silveira wrote: > You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of = freeeBSD. > Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is > incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many = rage and > movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got = thousands of > answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You = can > drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! = http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=3Dchrome&ie=3DUTF-8&q=3Dwhy+does+= freebsd+use+a+demon Also, obvious troll, is obvious. RTFM > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" William Brown pgp.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJM3TXUAAoJEHF16AnLoz6JeYgP/2zzVjdSCDHWaQ6Zwc8pLLfk FipZaX3V/3SirI6wphtnc39W6nU7QDrOph4Zc4SSSN2dVjy9WU8FXilqfeUYXBCJ MBV6M3KB6mvYZHRUI/629z6gGSKCkeQFnCBicgp5qrK2qm+oESXqFPjp9oWwQ9Qd f6kWQWL8qKFPLgQCf44r59xkOgxhxR14Xjv6n9S/5cK7LF4HRfzVhz1XbuqW0uKd k3Q+ClgaP4QXMcceaimXj+cndXXlIqZllWDrpAp9fudWvVWrsSB6FoGXuo1hlcld 46Y7jjYMJDzfZJNgtRq9eKjt8tthsukYMTp0kndabP5REuK8QVEZVaUJvTXpgZi7 3g2BAJthYm5u2/2kev2mu2ReHEDoch1HiHIQa6CqYg1tSc6DDi1YbGJ6FdOCRaPN 9BB2EJVOA1PGmyLYSFZRwdPMcnb4Li3e9d1kRS739O3jNDzSpvSb1nLYABuGXTUY J4aHkDIUmvzLfifGYuuMhaGW+10nBuHs9sQx8Smr6VUO5P085fMlSIfTv/5ZLNEP y97XEGRQWMGT6uhUq/0J3cG5QmvIYSUaB6spTexEa23isnR2aOjQxeLvzXGYb7AJ cksYJTOwbChddV9Zhht58N6O/BVBHIL3HA/fRHxc7IBRenot9SgF4pGSWGG7oyS0 jRgqCGF0v6eJAODNgw/G =3DF7I5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 13:01:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0201065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E248FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1970976qyk.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:01:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=OWHT2o9Tleuxk+KrcXr/QuVJT+FscQ7qqgO5pjPSuTI=; b=Us6mfrJWhtbc1bWNNpjKq9+xtwDSGVdykKMcmQa0RRi9BWeoaILhl6Osyjh5Krb4ic lFF4mFEGNhahGJsvCsDsmHgzxy65F9pfM8IcYGKLXvJXaOLhjRPekLX1Lt46wACmclbP a1bEB7B99wEyluUIuOcdCrJh1Y13zHj60jONc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=neZH2+3MCvnPiokxjz8JkTGst/JMxVPPPPorlsAq17IxWPs80Jt/1/UwofYbVGOJ9I 9C2BPtJYV8iJ3RJtAlwnvI4qp2whL0VxpqJkPT7kSA4kbaFwLz6EVBfqnjv9FsHNOonw YkLPu6xsff3Hj9d27ZRjBbKhxJKXEldufYBIg= Received: by 10.229.98.71 with SMTP id p7mr1904730qcn.289.1289566881788; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:01:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.65.41 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:00:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:00:51 +0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:01:23 -0000 2010/11/12 Jos=C3=A9 Silveira > You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of freeeBS= D. > Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is > incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many rage > and > movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got thousands > of > answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You can > drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! > If you believed the question you asked, then you should realize No ONE is forcing you to use FreeBSD. There are other *BSDs and hundred of Linux flavors out there which you can use. Wait, there is even the sloth from Redmond that you can use. Please do realize that you are NOT the spokesman for Christians or Muslims and so you can't say many of then shun FreeBSD because of whatever you thin= k is the Devil. Give us a break. You even don't know what Jesus Christ looks like, or do you? Do you believe in those photos and idols you see in Church as true depiction of Jesus? Or Mary for that matter? What makes you think what FreeBSD uses is the Devil? Have you met the devil face to face? Just save us that crap and move on, regardless of the answers you got. --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 13:13:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8356106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BC28FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1983053qyk.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:13:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YqIgoKDgNUcF1nDeepINROyh4UBUWfDuB3sUTxwTwJA=; b=LfwLOOr3/umF095sQ0rRJnOVsFhTVWvxmTxX/7e2aVrMsMV8vnalXgeVqjTSN8WJu5 Lfw60BC1yF8GeFvsjv1SvQ5QwCdIYoKKIqJFr/batyRObSyyoCg6zEXFtIS79742wG/M DwxniqQnwrRpRsb38IqbIeADPpafV5ZYx9z4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=szXMO5YNraVY6YSryOheXioAnDzBSOeoXEi4zM5yvn/MKTUhzm1rEv374UNVcyg0ZM yeeh6etvtl5sypLLl94DvxDxF8m1GPGW+oNbPtoB72TnTLQEwu9Q+333Yl+/dOtpsqTQ uZU9d8mD+rfIpnxRBcE999G6MIBNk8r9j8hYU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.134 with SMTP id de6mr1992676qcb.51.1289567629243; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.250.129 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:13:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Odhiambo Washington Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Silveira?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:13:50 -0000 2010/11/12 Odhiambo Washington : > 2010/11/12 Jos=E9 Silveira > >> You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of freeeB= SD. >> Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is >> incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many rage >> and >> movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got thousand= s >> of >> answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You can >> drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! >> > > If you believed the question you asked, then you should realize No ONE is > forcing you to use FreeBSD. > There are other *BSDs and hundred of Linux flavors out there which you ca= n > use. Wait, there is even the sloth from Redmond that you can use. > Please do realize that you are NOT the spokesman for Christians or Muslim= s > and so you can't say many of then shun FreeBSD because of whatever you th= ink > is the Devil. Give us a break. You even don't know what Jesus Christ look= s > like, or do you? Do you believe in those photos and idols you see in Chur= ch > as true depiction of Jesus? Or Mary for that matter? What makes you think > what FreeBSD uses is the Devil? Have you met the devil face to face? > > Just save us that crap and move on, regardless of the answers you got. > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > Damn!! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > +1 Awesome Answer!!! Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 13:44:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04481106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:44:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rakhesh.net) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F6C8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D246FB for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.212]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:39 -0500 Received: by web2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 74FE4B344F6; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1289568399.7673.1404953861@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: lmCLzU55v/dIl1LCa9mGbN3QHXIIxrUm7a+hzdLpoCGe 1289568399 From: "Rakhesh Sasidharan" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:26:39 +0400 Subject: FreeBSD crashed - trying to find out why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:44:45 -0000 Hello, I have a FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE machine running inside a KVM VPS. I installed tmux a few days back, and today I was trying to update all my ports via portupgrade. Everything was going fine, so after a while I detached from the tmux session and disconnected from the machine (was connected via SSH). When I returned a few hours later, I see that the machine had rebooted. It appears that the machine rebooted due to a kernel fault. From the timestamps I see that the machine rebooted some 10-15 minutes before I returned, so it looks like portupgrade and tmux etc were working fine until then. Here's the messages from /var/log/messages - -8<--- kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode kernel: cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 kernel: fault virtual address = 0x250 kernel: fault code = supervisor read data, page not present kernel: instruction pointer = 0x20:0xffffffff8052e574 kernel: stack pointer = 0x28:0xffffff800019c8a0 kernel: frame pointer = 0x28:0xffffff800019c8c0 kernel: code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 kernel: processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 kernel: current process = 50496 (tmux) kernel: trap number = 12 kernel: panic: page fault kernel: cpuid = 0 kernel: Uptime: 3d22h30m42s kernel: Cannot dump. Device not defined or unavailable. kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort -8<--- I went into all the background about tmux above since the logs highlight tmux as the currently running process. Any idea why kernel crashed, or what I can do to prevent this in future? I understand from the forums that this could be due to bad memory or bad hard disk, but I was wondering whether this could also be due to any incompatibilities with KVM (triggered by tmux perhaps). Thanks, Rakhesh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 14:03:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5FE1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB08FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id E75AD23 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:03:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDD493B.4080103@stillbilde.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:03:39 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig88B5D66DE533DE0A2952F992" Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:03:42 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig88B5D66DE533DE0A2952F992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12.11.2010 13:24, Jos=E9 Silveira wrote: > You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of freee= BSD. > Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is > incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many rag= e and > movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got thousan= ds of > answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You ca= n > drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! I suggest using sunlight as detergent for this thread. //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig88B5D66DE533DE0A2952F992 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzdST4ACgkQODUnwSLUlKSqewCfYxp/C1WDDCTnyd1ZJBgO7XkB rG4AoKfeelBLJxEuWPfVRHHLlgyBMENc =JIKc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig88B5D66DE533DE0A2952F992-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 14:33:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28081065698 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:33:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810208FC25 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8so349720qwb.17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:33:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=9nt/Z+J1pDwIA/ORaUC6tiv0smiCS6InygyxvxQJk9M=; b=hRL/b+hB9xkAUEm0lmAvweNyt64EkGn2ohZS63M7QXfoQiFXglRs7oXWS+1Mxny9jQ abhhwYTuZNFnDdvu3lvcD8QHF1ItstwCmlweWfi5p6UzbFOKs/WqTGY77L5GC0IPulT7 m/B0Fostnja538v1BDUDWbEQiOdZw/HROCA4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=J2C/VXY0vSQ0yleDY4r7+T6khzf3GQcyL975nelELMnxu9IwgV7qjAHPu1vI66+ZF9 7lCirgKFU/Mo5rqZZT2LClj6ajlMgOxvFgw67nKFlfNm99D+G0/Sc48USIQhqEp8KH7l Wq3Z/H15QnWxmYbc8NbGSmcz0VuJocWdLGlsA= Received: by 10.229.225.134 with SMTP id is6mr1992261qcb.99.1289572435573; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:33:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.65.41 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:33:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:33:25 +0300 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:33:56 -0000 2010/11/12 Jos=C3=A9 Silveira > What...was...that...crap???? So many words for saying nothing! I will > never use freeBSD, one of the reasons is you. > > FreeBSD is FREE. How much do you suppose we lose if one person with a stupid attitude refuses to use it? --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 14:34:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07AA106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF308FC2E for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so179291qyk.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:34:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=SGjNuWaf4jj/s1opJfM1DlJuX9MFSnlhWyUCp4RD4HQ=; b=dTEzI8YMxjBC700pdOjjKAJXs1X1/7jorcjdhanRA4wN3AvmT6oyturTGaKKBIUwgn MYk1r3yx8I7gcRuBsrvhHXy0mlDAHQmL4X9T5jZatjkvc5aN/7k6vkwegirMH1gUXQ2P g1Mklnya7McER3sKGGFOLep2clApQCoHtb65w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=x9EamTQCv6rOKr5jXFLITxxTDo5lrZrOcd7Aa7eP96QU92XylIBzCx9Dmf3hFKQQSm YRE9JnuyARxxl3WTWhbk6KU0c5fCMiToZA7h2nbndVjbpoEAkFbUwPDct1IZjhFRaZjN MzCxz1C5s0qFE7yfVw5ZiPxIQCntSkRK4LDls= Received: by 10.229.98.71 with SMTP id p7mr1975601qcn.289.1289572496420; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:34:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.65.41 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 06:34:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDD493B.4080103@stillbilde.net> References: <4CDD493B.4080103@stillbilde.net> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:34:26 +0300 Message-ID: To: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: You complain about my exceeded question but got an outstanding volume of answers!!! Why? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:34:57 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) < svein-listmail@stillbilde.net> wrote: > On 12.11.2010 13:24, Jos=C3=A9 Silveira wrote: > > You guys complain cause I asked why do use a demon as a mascot of > freeeBSD. > > Some says... oh no this crap again, others desrespected me but what is > > incredible is that even a simple question like I did caused so many rag= e > and > > movement of answers!!! I think this theme still alived... I got thousan= ds > of > > answers! Just one with apropriate contents. The rest was a crap. You ca= n > > drown in this crap that is freeBSD!!! > > I suggest using sunlight as detergent for this thread. > They sell Sunlight in Sweden as well?? We love it in Kenya:-) --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:07:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CFF106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB0A8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGw0f-0003Lq-QO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:57:55 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:07:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:07:31 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112160731.GB80913@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101110175717.GB23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101110180915.00005202@unknown> <20101112012551.GD35128@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112012551.GD35128@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:07:37 -0000 --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 11 November 2010: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 06:09:15PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800 > > Chip Camden wrote: > >=20 > > > However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running > > > automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way > > > to do it. It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of > > > abstraction (the UI), and then working around it. > >=20 > > This is why at least on Windows there's often a C/COM/.NET API that > > allows the same level of control that the GUI provides, so that > > customers can automate tasks. >=20 > It's too bad such APIs require so much more knowledge, and present so > much more of a barrier to entry for automating tasks, than a simpler CLI > filter's interface provides via something like the Unix pipeline. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] True -- let's say the customer wants to have their application send email notifications. If I tell the customer to open a pipe to mutt or mail, they can pop that in and test it in a few minutes. If they have to automate Outlook, or use the MAPI or CDO interfaces, then we're talking abo= ut a project. In fact, I've billed quite a few hours doing just that sort of work. If all I cared about was the money I could fleece off of them, then = I'd steer more customers towards these unnaturally complex solutions. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3WZDAAoJEIpckszW26+RH8IH/idUK4lqoqPoFXtFPAxmetGx I+3tGj+cVssEYNBeRUmiIC28oOcz5e48ZlDDuIOPJ5vWZ+oPvNuryUoDzR4r2A3N CczXxy5vHYHTHmuCCc/8F7KSeHeOHnU8AorVgdfpNyurJ5aWtQwGMITFmaAdStH8 tXbEPGyPLYn/pT5ojRcCxod+NLqRhuWY6gNW/bgtR/SbGU4x8EeLKesDU5DbTafz cT26BuO4zj5c03h/kf3xo/lg7yM6w1UcOg+UdTjjKl8MV/9ABWu91npoTYBlK+aO xAYzHZlV5GNRPe32e3jNbwuzuM+GOI9Fg5XVsLShOvipKA1g8k/DFbygoEg5BOk= =NnEX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:20:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109B106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BDF8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACGK44q086624 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:20:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oACGK4fB086623 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:20:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:20:04 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:20:07 -0000 Hi, is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long time now. Example: *** Displaying differences between ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar and installed version: --- /etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar 2010-07-29 12:54:42.000000000 +0200 +++ ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar 2010-11-12 17:06:33.000000000 +0100 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ #!/bin/sh # -# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1.4.1 2010/06/14 02:09:06 kensmith Exp $ +# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1 2009/08/03 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ # # `calendar -a' needs to die. Why? Because it's a bad idea, particular # with networked home directories, but also in general. If you want # the 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. Greetings, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:21:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830CD106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D718FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGwEF-0008Id-32 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:11:56 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:21:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:21:31 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112162131.GC80913@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4CDCB8F7.30404@vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CDCB8F7.30404@vicor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:21:38 -0000 --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Dave Robison on Thursday, 11 November 2010: > On 11/11/10 15:39, Jos=E9 Silveira wrote: > >Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > > >For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run aw= ay! > > > >Jos=E9 Silveira > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > >=20 > And those are just a couple of the benefits! >=20 Winner of the Award for Best Laugh of the Morning. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3WmLAAoJEIpckszW26+RWmcH/RxJtGu7Buna5ZDjskb1qDic DOwmSe0uoUcCpjGcKFhQghB2eNCaLIybI6bNbOby3yfmljC+CdzTwnnoKBsTQ9jW bsJQU+2XeTgJnp407zluUxEuJKLVMveCjOZnQjZuU8mOHvUgXQpzE5mZknndo/NK 3262cC/X+iM+x6OsZR85Xhsw9wjnDKXYMZyKwAKeJynrELaeeQDy6BRcJasliVZc iQNDN+mpBR5Yb9TqL5hh/4+LhpEPwg3G+/MnaO/QGkUC85os6Xw6LZwDEIOWf2ur +xDAOumdkTMwv+LgbAW9p/941TFdZt5QTvL3lzCZPnXY5QwJ0uVN7uFu48FpGwU= =eyc/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KDt/GgjP6HVcx58l-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:23:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF22106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8BE8FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:21:55 -0800 Message-ID: <4CDD699E.8050302@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:21:50 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doug@safeport.com References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2010 16:21:55.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[B92063C0:01CB8285] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:23:34 -0000 doug wrote: > On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, doug wrote: > >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) >>> doug@safeport.com articulated: >>> >>>> When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and >>>> xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to >>>> my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to >>>> have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by >>>> libpciaccess. >>>> >>>> Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the >>>> on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to >>>> suggest things have changed. >>> >>> Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable >>> the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check >>> anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. >> >> I was not aware of the possibility - thanks > > The PE300 has no documented jumpers on the mother board effecting the > VGA. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a FreeBSD issue that > makes Xorg a 'victim'? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Check the motherboard bios setup to disable the on motherboard vga port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:26:55 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214B0106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59328FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGwJL-0001RU-IT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:17:12 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:26:49 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101112162649.GD80913@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qGV0fN9tzfkG3CxV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:26:55 -0000 --qGV0fN9tzfkG3CxV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Neal Hogan on Thursday, 11 November 2010: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jos=E9 Silveira > Date: 2010/11/11 > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > To: Neal Hogan >=20 >=20 > What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me > this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! >=20 > 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan > > > > 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : > > > 2010/11/11 Jos=E9 Silveira : > > >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > >> > > >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins ru= n away! > > > > > > > > > Is this better? > > > > > > > (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Naturally he lashed out at you, the one respondent who actually tried to provide a solution for his non-problem. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --qGV0fN9tzfkG3CxV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3WrJAAoJEIpckszW26+RpFIH/jEIN9lssU8EDwgunhST4UdZ onOp0SaJUKbAxBXTz5Kpv3CJwouxr+faP5sODFtBdgqr1mCH7DE4SV0zpz2e+ebW zTTZPNBP6y4U6Ko0l+IQY0g9arP70zrHVQDyRlXv2AxEJC3O8ROj1tTIGuBDEgvb LjF6c1e5TRuSXbUHJAgm+OsCoN4UYhKqK941p+4X6Tnjv7DxsBobCEBjjyRs2r7D d0rZZBZCEHvD9g5U48w2QuzJN0HN8zbV9emvCD0G0A6zblrg0L51mfmBWDOJ5G3t 5gU9SfaUIc7EEX28oKWsMUSNgR4GS4Rsxcwu4/Pw7aR5f980JfaG/Mxtie/tCxM= =+ZnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qGV0fN9tzfkG3CxV-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:36:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295EA106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA3D8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACGaUXT088700; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:36:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oACGaUsk088699; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:36:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:36:30 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112163630.GB8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Subject: Re: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:33 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 04:22:57PM +0100, Joerg Pulz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > What i didn't try: > > > > - Use the port. > > > please take a look at ports/152030 and the patches i mentioned in the PR. > > With applied ports/152030 and the world patch applied, you should be able > to build a world fully against the security/heimdal port by simply > specifying WITH_KERBEROS_PORT=1 in /etc/src.conf and HEIMDAL_HOME= > (normally /usr/local) in /etc/make.conf. > You should specify WITHOUT_KERBEROS=1 in /etc/src.conf to avoid mess and > confusion with two different heimdal version installed. > > Don't forget to install the security/heimdal port first. > > Comments are welcome. Did exactly as told and everything worked fine. Im currently in the process of rebuilding gssapi dependent software. Will tell if it fixed my issue. thanks, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 16:40:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD96A1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7780B8FC1C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACGe1SI011011; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oACGe1WT011008; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:40:02 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: > is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get > around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? > I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long > time now. ... > 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an > upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. 'mergemaster -Ui' helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 17:02:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5D5106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5357E8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oACH2c4Z073371; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:02:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: doug@safeport.com To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <4CDD699E.8050302@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> <4CDD699E.8050302@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:02:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:02:43 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Fbsd8 wrote: > doug wrote: >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, doug wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:08:23 -0500 (EST) >>>> doug@safeport.com articulated: >>>> >>>>> When I slid froward from FreeBSD 7.2 and Xorg (whatever) to 8.0 and >>>>> xorg-7.4_4 I lost the ability to use the graphics card I had added to >>>>> my Dell PE300 built in the last century. I was told the ability to >>>>> have two cards in one box was lost due to int10 provided by >>>>> libpciaccess. >>>>> >>>>> Is this still the case? The BIOS on the PE300 does not allow the >>>>> on-board card to 'disappear'. I can not find any information to >>>>> suggest things have changed. >>>> >>>> Isn't there a jumper on the motherboard that can be used to disable >>>> the on board card? Not all motherboards had one but it is worth a check >>>> anyway, assuming you have not done so all ready. >>> >>> I was not aware of the possibility - thanks >> >> The PE300 has no documented jumpers on the mother board effecting the VGA. >> Am I correct in my understanding that this is a FreeBSD issue that makes >> Xorg a 'victim'? >> _______________________________________________ > > > Check the motherboard bios setup to disable the on motherboard vga port. > Thanks. The [latest] BIOS has one VGA option: Video DAC Snoop Controls how VGA and graphics devices on the PCI or AGP bus respond to palette register accesses. * On - forces VGA and graphics devices to snoop VGA palette register accesses and forward them to the ISA bus. * Off - (the default) forces VGA and graphics devices to respond positively to palette register accesses. There is no hardware relief for the Dell PE300 that does not involve modifying the mother, assuming that is possible. I have [mostly] covered the fact that I have 1152x864 as the screen resolution by making things smaller in KDE and setting fonts in xterm. This system was made less useful by upgrading to FreeBSD 8. I am trying to find out if support for multiple VGA cards is in the works and what needs to change for that to happen. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 17:03:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95450106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) Received: from mailhost.frm2.tum.de (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B4D8FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.frm2.tum.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACH3dVq050941; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:03:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) X-Virus-Scanned: at mailhost.frm2.tum.de Received: from hades.admin.frm2 (hades.admin.frm2 [172.25.1.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost.frm2.tum.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACH3a4l050936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:03:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Joerg.Pulz@frm2.tum.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:03:33 +0100 (CET) From: Joerg Pulz To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20101112163630.GB8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> <20101112163630.GB8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3469798045-781786733-1289581416=:51792" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (mailhost.frm2.tum.de [129.187.179.12]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:03:36 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:03:41 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3469798045-781786733-1289581416=:51792 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 04:22:57PM +0100, Joerg Pulz wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> What i didn't try: >>> >>> - Use the port. >>> >> please take a look at ports/152030 and the patches i mentioned in the PR. >> >> With applied ports/152030 and the world patch applied, you should be able >> to build a world fully against the security/heimdal port by simply >> specifying WITH_KERBEROS_PORT=1 in /etc/src.conf and HEIMDAL_HOME= >> (normally /usr/local) in /etc/make.conf. >> You should specify WITHOUT_KERBEROS=1 in /etc/src.conf to avoid mess and >> confusion with two different heimdal version installed. >> >> Don't forget to install the security/heimdal port first. >> >> Comments are welcome. > > Did exactly as told and everything worked fine. Im currently in the > process of rebuilding gssapi dependent software. Will tell if it fixed > my issue. Hi, good to hear that everything went fine for you. If you're using 8.x you should remove some of the leftover kerberos/gssapi libraries by yourself as the ObsoleteFiles list is still incomplete in 8.x and 'make delete-old delete-old-libs' will not remove everything. E.g. in /usr/lib and /usr/lib32 libasn1* libgssapi* libhdb* libheimntlm* libhx509* libkadm5* libkafs5* libkrb5* in /usr/libexec kcm If you're using CURRENT then everything is removed by 'make delete-old delete-old-libs'. Btw. If you're using security/cyrus-sasl2 with GSSAPI please take a look at PR/152071. If you're using databases/postgresql*-server, net/freeradius(2) or security/openssh-portable please take a look at PR/152029. Kind regards Joerg - -- The beginning is the most important part of the work. -Plato -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFM3XNoSPOsGF+KA+MRAovlAKC/2aDRz2mydpO8wz+Cgzt79W8WaQCgmmI3 gGWX7HXD4KoUSFrfgaHj3OI= =eFIp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3469798045-781786733-1289581416=:51792-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 17:04:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129FE106567A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A458FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACH4mPQ091565; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:04:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oACH4lk0091564; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:04:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:04:47 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20101112170447.GC8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:04:50 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:40:01AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: > > > is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get > > around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? > > I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long > > time now. > ... > > 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an > > upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. > > 'mergemaster -Ui' helps. thanks, that helped. Did the default behavior of mergemaster change somewhere because i didn't have to do this awhile ago (months not years). greetings, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 17:54:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8837106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689808FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so163848qwi.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.196.67 with SMTP id ef3mr2347856qab.160.1289584497542; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:54:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:54:58 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 23:16, Chad Perrin wrote: > It sounds like in some respects we're violently agreeing with each other. > On one hand, I think that CLI programs can be great for frequent tasks, > especially if you have something like the Unix pipeline at your disposal > to automate complex tasks, and that GUIs have some discoverability > advantages; on the other hand, you think that GUI programs can be great > for cases where someone does not want to take the time to learn a better > way to do something, perhaps because he does not perform the tasks very > often, but if you do something often enough it might make sense to learn > a more efficient CLI-based way to do it. > > Another difference in our apparent approaches to this is that I think > it's a good idea to favor CLI tools when at all reasonable to do so, > while you seem to think it's a good idea to favor GUI tools when at all > reasonable to do so. =A0We agree on the extremes, but not in the middle, = in > other words. =A0I just wish that we could agree without it feeling like > you're trying to convince people they shouldn't ever bother learning how > to use CLI tools unless they absolutely have to. Well, I think to some extent we are considering two different sets of people. If a programmer or sysadmin doesn't use the CLI, they probably aren't very good at their job, since they are missing out on a lot of tools. I was thinking more generally about end-users, who tend to be very reluctant to use the CLI (the whole there's a big black box, what do I do now? thing is intimidating) and it is usually more trouble than it is worth to convince them to use the CLI, even if it would make their jobs easier. Most general computer users will never give up the GUI, because it involves investing in computer skills and they don't see that as terribly worthwhile - they just want to get started on their work. I think some UNIX fans are reluctant to accept this, and in doing so limit its ability to grow. That's my reason for preferring GUI in most situations. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:14:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9DB1065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F88FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354431E123; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:14:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACIEc8C001656; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:14:38 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101112191438.241de8fc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112004926.GB35128@guilt.hydra> References: <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> <4cd9127d.u5WgVW7/5NthFOf6%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101112004926.GB35128@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:14:41 -0000 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:49:26 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 01:21:01AM -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > The STRENGTH OF GUI (yes, I'm really saying that) is to aid > > > using language elements, CLI. Arranging windows, presenting > > > information, displaying structures, managing things. GUI > > > alone, with no functional substance behind it, is useless. > > > Sadly, you'll find more and more programs that have blingbling > > > and "experience", but are useless to those who want to achieve > > > a certain goal with it. > > > > Another strength, potentially large but all-too-frequently > > overlooked entirely, is as a learning aid. In the situation > > that operations in the GUI map reasonably well to TUI commands > > -- which by definition includes cases in which the GUI is used > > as a front-end to issue commands to an external TUI-based program > > -- the GUI really should have a mode wherein it displays or logs > > the TUI commands that it is performing. > > I agree. That is one type of GUI I would really love to see getting more > popular. You can already find this concept in use: The Midnight Commander, allthough a text-based program (but NOT a CLI program!) integrates command line and "abstracted" operations. It has excellent keyboard AND mouse support. Another program that comes to my mind is mencoder + gmencoder. The gmencoder offers a GUI wrapper for the mencoder program. You can keep using this GUI program for one-time use, or use the mencoder command line program for scripting. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:18:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1761065674 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 881E18FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26081 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 18:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 18:18:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Qa37otMiloNFD715Ay9JsndNDGaODjtS06EhWIUaOWddIMgCKTKf8Luzj6GkweGA3jJX3fPvjawGE27CNGGlcO0LEzlRvnwDRb70se9o5eJeVJ7ybK585lI1tuH3yABc; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyCi-0008SV-QI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:18:29 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:12:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:12:18 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112181218.GA40062@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:18:30 -0000 --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:54:57AM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 23:16, Chad Perrin wrote: > > It sounds like in some respects we're violently agreeing with each othe= r. > > On one hand, I think that CLI programs can be great for frequent tasks, > > especially if you have something like the Unix pipeline at your disposal > > to automate complex tasks, and that GUIs have some discoverability > > advantages; on the other hand, you think that GUI programs can be great > > for cases where someone does not want to take the time to learn a better > > way to do something, perhaps because he does not perform the tasks very > > often, but if you do something often enough it might make sense to learn > > a more efficient CLI-based way to do it. > > > > Another difference in our apparent approaches to this is that I think > > it's a good idea to favor CLI tools when at all reasonable to do so, > > while you seem to think it's a good idea to favor GUI tools when at all > > reasonable to do so. =A0We agree on the extremes, but not in the middle= , in > > other words. =A0I just wish that we could agree without it feeling like > > you're trying to convince people they shouldn't ever bother learning how > > to use CLI tools unless they absolutely have to. >=20 > Well, I think to some extent we are considering two different sets of > people. If a programmer or sysadmin doesn't use the CLI, they probably > aren't very good at their job, since they are missing out on a lot of > tools. I was thinking more generally about end-users, who tend to be > very reluctant to use the CLI (the whole there's a big black box, what > do I do now? thing is intimidating) and it is usually more trouble > than it is worth to convince them to use the CLI, even if it would > make their jobs easier. I was trying to consider *everybody* who uses a computer heavily in day-to-day life. Yes, I agree that many end users are very reluctant to use CLI tools. I tend to feel, however, that instead of avoiding mentioning such tools and just steering people toward GUI tools all the time, it is in everybody's best interest to at least make the benefits of CLI tools more widely known so that those who could benefit from them (even if they are reluctant to do so) will know the reasons the option might be a good one. Perhaps even more importantly, in cases such as the cited example of someone who managed to get a business process changed so that it negatively affected several other workers' efficiency and that of the business as a whole, such a net loss in productivity might have been avoided if the decision-makers there were more aware of the potential benefits of using CLI tools, and of the fact that GUI tools are not necessarily better just because they're GUI tools. Middle managers and executives, even if they never *touch* the CLI tools themselves, need to be educated about the value of CLI tools for those who perform daily automation tasks so that they will not ignorantly approve using the wrong tool for the job, as in the preceding anecdote. If, because we know them to be reluctant to use CLI tools, we take pains to never expose decision-makers to knowledge of any benefits of using tools other than the *wrong* tools for certain jobs, we are essentially guaranteeing that when the time comes for a decision to be made, the only decision they will make is the one that makes things worse for us (where "us" is the technically inclined workforce that is directly affected by these decisions) and for the business. >=20 > Most general computer users will never give up the GUI, because it > involves investing in computer skills and they don't see that as > terribly worthwhile - they just want to get started on their work. I > think some UNIX fans are reluctant to accept this, and in doing so > limit its ability to grow. That's my reason for preferring GUI in most > situations. Nobody has to "give up the GUI". Even the heavy use of CLI and other TUI tools in my life tends to be wrapped in a window manager, with occasional GUI applications scattered throughout. Even the simple green bar across the top of my screen (which changes to blue and red when the laptop is unplugged) that indicates battery life is a GUI application, and I find it quite valuable for those occasions when I run my laptop without AC power. By the way, if you want to see what I mean about that battery life indicator, a screenshot of the laptop screen with the battery life bar (provided by sysutils/xbattbar from ports) is available here: http://blogstrapping.com/img/uzbl/uzbl_browser.png It's quite thin, and does not show up well in that image, but it is somewhat more obvious on my laptop display. Moving on . . . I'm perfectly willing to accept that some people absolutely refuse to learn more than the bare minimum to do their jobs, with no concern for efficiency, productivity, or quality of work beyond a bare minimum. I do not think that those who might have a deeper interest in improving their productivity should be kept in the dark as part of that larger set of end users, however. Give everyone the opportunity to learn a little about the fact that choosing either TUI or GUI tools can actually be a trade-off in the benefits of the selected tools, and that for some tasks and in some circumstances one interface might prove more appropriate than the other, then let *them* decide which they want to use. In some cases more importantly, this may give them enough of an understanding of the situation that when they're decision-makers in their organizations, they might let *others* decide what tools to use, based on those others' expertise, rather than forcing GUI tools down the throats of those who have to live with that decision on a daily basis, in a very direct manner. That's why I do not think it is a good idea to avoid any mention of CLI tools, and other TUI programs, even when discussing things with end users who are unlikely to use CLI tools themselves. It is, to a significant degree, a matter of self-defense. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdg4IACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWmZACfUzxvJOds29QgObVbdVeReYPh 7W0An0/tnoi38OWgEW59cCJ2VBOLKK+4 =BYYv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:19:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B375D1065674 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEA98FC29 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACIJD28099532; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:19:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oACIJC6s099531; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:19:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:19:12 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: Joerg Pulz Message-ID: <20101112181912.GD8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: <20101110170053.GE95441@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> <20101112163630.GB8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do we like our base kerberos? Will it flee soon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:19:15 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:03:33PM +0100, Joerg Pulz wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 04:22:57PM +0100, Joerg Pulz wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Leon Mener wrote: > > Did exactly as told and everything worked fine. Im currently in the > > process of rebuilding gssapi dependent software. Will tell if it fixed > > my issue. > > Hi, > > good to hear that everything went fine for you. > If you're using 8.x you should remove some of the leftover kerberos/gssapi > libraries by yourself as the ObsoleteFiles list is still incomplete in > 8.x and 'make delete-old delete-old-libs' will not remove everything. > E.g. > in /usr/lib and /usr/lib32 > libasn1* libgssapi* libhdb* libheimntlm* libhx509* > libkadm5* libkafs5* libkrb5* > in /usr/libexec > kcm It looks like i do also still have the old kerberos tools (kinit,kadmin etc.) in the base prefix and they do now segfault: /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libkafs5.so.10" not found, required by "kinit" # ls /usr/local/lib/libkafs* /usr/local/lib/libkafs.a /usr/local/lib/libkafs.la /usr/local/lib/libkafs.so /usr/local/lib/libkafs.so.5 > Btw. > If you're using security/cyrus-sasl2 with GSSAPI please take a look at > PR/152071. Using that. Patch applied and build cleanly. saslauthd starts as expected. But i do have some problems now getting tickets. This machine is a kerberos slave. if i start ipropd-slave with local kdc running i get: krb5_get_init_creds: Client (iprop/lise.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de@PCPOOL.PHYSIK.TU-BERLIN.DE) unknown when local kdc is not running authentication works but i get: ipropd-slave[28610]: connection successful to master: marie.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de[130.149.58.147] ipropd-slave[28610]: ipropd-slave started at version: 10166 ipropd-slave[28610]: db->open: dbm_open(/var/heimdal/heimdal): Inappropriate file type or format Which i can understand because the db is at /var/heimdal/heimdal.db which in turn is correctly specified in /etc/krb5.conf. Are there any config syntax changes between 0.6.3 and 1.4, so i have to modify my krb5.conf ? Thanks, Leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:22:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219541065670 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D80758FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24011 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 18:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 18:22:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ngFopBEnQjGpGZu8yIOPTM45WKoPCeNF2+zQfDqz6xZYSlPzdtlh20u2Hm3g8eQjXQ5DIEiQKamEgPDduJFqHnGrdxP7WEKtzxYC1z9k4wAUc3mu/giiUFhA2q8+Lur7; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyGR-0005SA-3q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:22:20 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:16:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:16:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: uzbl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:22:21 -0000 --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 01:54:32PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > How do you start uzbl? It installed fine for me, but I keep getting core > dumps when I run it. There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tried > 'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'. For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the > initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it. I thought I had responded to this, but apparently I had not. Sorry about that. I'm not sure why you are having these problems. I guess I would suggest talking to someone in the #uzbl channel on freenode. When I installed uzbl, the uzbl-core and uzble-browser commands worked great. Getting uzbl-tabbed took a little more doing, because a dependency (py-gtk) was not yet installed. By the way, it seems that uzbl-tabbed is a little rudimentary. It actually lacks some of uzbl-browser's capabilities, and lacks some basic stuff you'd expect a tabbed browser to have (like a single command or click approach to opening a link in a new tab). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdhGgACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWINQCfRHFJiCgu7O7pJGgSkazm0L6d WPoAoPPKHVILN4SvmSVf8I5UvJjxYlFy =GAV8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dc+cDN39EJAMEtIO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:29:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30C21065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5E748FC20 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5583 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 18:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 18:29:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=P7bQNZkq7G0oQuwquqTNp5W+a9NULDMMntFewQlnpwZzKFi1l/8YtyLDrz0DllkkBbWcQ/X55YhIVQXak2O1kvxsEGeDHPWotYtDs6HAjUgFgWNpdEORzeZ3bjU60HyX; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGyNR-00077r-1p for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:29:34 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:23:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:23:22 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112182322.GB40175@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> <4cd9127d.u5WgVW7/5NthFOf6%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101112004926.GB35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112191438.241de8fc.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112191438.241de8fc.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:29:35 -0000 --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:14:38PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:49:26 -0700, Chad Perrin wro= te: > >=20 > > I agree. That is one type of GUI I would really love to see getting mo= re > > popular. >=20 > You can already find this concept in use: The Midnight Commander, > allthough a text-based program (but NOT a CLI program!) integrates > command line and "abstracted" operations. It has excellent keyboard > AND mouse support. >=20 > Another program that comes to my mind is mencoder + gmencoder. The > gmencoder offers a GUI wrapper for the mencoder program. You can > keep using this GUI program for one-time use, or use the mencoder > command line program for scripting. The type of program I specifically meant was the sort of thing that actually tells the user the command that would perform the same task as the button-click, so that users of the GUI (or captive interface TUI) would get to see what is going on behind the scenes and perhaps learn from it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdhhoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUzHgCfbhcgOHnd7k9qzuw7Fvxj50ck 9cQAn0sNwHHbPX4JTZ3vZ2lRt87SDp+6 =SDmW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:26:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32ED810657AD for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lukibsubekti@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E478FC15 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so404811qyk.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=H0LxOxUNOgpcQzjxw9XhviyvQdSzgj4Q62jjrx+5F70=; b=Hm35iTHPzWdrRc+WRo0zWEb8oz/KxFM52fMnnT1/e9AR/gI2czAd/YFz0scpVmvaAi E7Zzu4mwIJ4xHFNgnusYQHfj/bJSibEzlfnMDWbObxOa2nUPStMKciQksvYM83zA/4yD p9/DJdVc60Xa9TmjdRvU1FxT33+OoPAiHEntU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=L4K89VJ5dqxqn4JXbP7qn9JeXToX9HgC/u3xrAlN7eSBYEeX9adY/ER6lxc+4A/KaA 5HnH1Od2SzzVZdi5sQ+PsHHqIXXCntdJDrapFdrxzr9Olp0s8o5vKEs6kSweb+F+m7DW BXwK5hH0QnaFeMllKoYVoZqFlX8pOZH/xbPLw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.215.193 with SMTP id hf1mr2217852qcb.59.1289584810393; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.89.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:00:10 +0700 Message-ID: From: Luki Bangun Subekti To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:30:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Can't Detect REALTEK ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:26:01 -0000 Hi.. I'm just study about networking using freeBSD.. I installed freeBSD in virtual machine, VMware Workstation. When I set network configuration, in interfaces option, I can't see Realtek PCI ethernet card. I just see Intel ethernet card and PPP. I'm using internet by LAN in my home. DHCP also can't be used. Is there someone know about this problem? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:35:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734171065679 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grunewald@laposte.net) Received: from smtp5.netcologne.de (smtp5.netcologne.de [194.8.194.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A4D8FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from llea.celt.neu (xdsl-89-0-135-84.netcologne.de [89.0.135.84]) by smtp5.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B637B40D176; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:35:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDD8907.3060405@laposte.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:35:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michael_Gr=FCnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100630 SeaMonkey/2.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Farmer References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:35:53 -0000 Hello Rob, Rob Farmer wrote: > Most general computer users will never give up the GUI, because it > involves investing in computer skills and they don't see that as > terribly worthwhile - they just want to get started on their work. I > think some UNIX fans are reluctant to accept this, and in doing so > limit its ability to grow. That's my reason for preferring GUI in most > situations. I share your observation of user behaviour, and it is probably appropriate: although there is many _funny_ways to use computers, most of us just want to have some work done and GUI sometimes provide a quick way to put our hands on it. But in my opinion, a complete GUI software should also provide some command line facilities. I mean, for instance, a word processing software could be shipped with command line tools that could be used to * inspect document properties (word count, meta information fields); * convert the document to a publishable form such as PostScript; * do field replacement for mailings; and many less elementary treatments could also be useful! Some software comes with a scripting language, but for simple operation and batch processing, this may not be so convenient as a command line tool. This kind of functionnalities could be a bridge from the GUI to the command line for some users: I feel these worlds are so separated, while they do not have to. I sometimes feel that this separation is precisely the wall that keep many computer users to develop their computer skill, despite they use one all day long. This ``computer illiteracy'' is very dommageable, not only because it makes it hard for the average user to learn from more experienced users, but also because it let software editors be economically successful while selling incomplete, crippled, software. -- Best regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:47:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A0A1065670; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278D58FC21; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PGyeM-000LF7-9k ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:47:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:47:00 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Kris Moore Subject: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:47:05 -0000 Hello! People. I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r215176 When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ but when trying to create a section displays the following error: http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:49:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52302106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40448FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A921E3C7; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:49:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACInqqY001722; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:49:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:49:51 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101112194951.5d56b86a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:49:54 -0000 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > In fact, a set of CLI filters linked together by the Unix > pipeline (or even a DOS pipeline, at least in theory) is essentially > infinitely extensible to provide surprising levels of automation > customizability that might astonish the earlier creators of some of the > older tools being used, while an extension system for a GUI application > necessarily has to predefine what is possible, and obfuscates the inner > workings of the extended application behind designs that are largely > opaque to the user. >From computer science, please see the term "fully programmable". > > On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File > > > Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same > > everywhere. > > . . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific, > and non-general. True - and non-functional sometimes. I may give an example: The File > Open... dialog in Gtk 2 has functional limitations (example here: attach a file in Sylpheed). It doesn't respond to keyboard opreations (except entering a file name, but [tab] to the next dialog element does not work). It *FORCES* the user to use the mouse if he wants to select something from the list. In the list, there is a HELPing element: typing the beginning of a file name moves the cursor to that file. Good idea, but bad in reality, because it doesn't work - as it mixes case: typing "abc" brings you to "ABC" in the list, except YOU want "abc" further down. Option: Again using the mouse. Using shell patterns, e. g. typing "*mp3" to have the list field just contain the MP3 files does not work - the dialog simply disappears. The same if you enter a directory manually, e. g. /export/share/mp3 - dialog disappears. If you add a / at the end, MAYBE it moves to the specified directory, but shows every file TWICE. And keep in mind what I said about limitations in using the copy buffer in an earlier message. THOSE (!!!) are the limitations of GUI - good ideas that got implemented that POORly that the final product is gettimg more and more unusable. Coming back to your statement: Of course every toolkit does the File > Open... dialog differently. That is noting bad per se, as the "advocates of GUI consistency" get more and more inconsistency in their own main domain of what they use. Consistency is not a problem. The problem is RECOGNITION. If the graphical representation of an object or an action cannot be recognized as what it IS, correct what it REFERS TO, all the design is completely useless. Today's approach is to waste screen space and overcomplicate things. Icon bars all over the place. Is that user-friendly? I don't think so. "Limited to the maximum" could be a good approach instead. Allow me to mention GeoWorks Ensemble, a GEOS office suite for the DOS-based PC. It is a GUI that is based on the Motif toolkit (that could to things in the early 90s that "Windows" cannot even do today, like *real* drag & drop, or detachable menus, NATIVELY). This system allowed the user to change the complexity of the GUI. There were 3 (?) levels: beginner, intermediate, expert. On beginner level, only basic functionalitites were exposed to the user. On expert level, all functionality was present. This concept assisted the learning courve development of the user BY USE of the graphical elements. > Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to > type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks > thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of > the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given > task. Extend this idea: If a friend asks me: "Erm, I've got a bunch of JPEG images from my camera, but I need to convert them to PNG; those are 10,000 images. How can I do that?" I write him a mail: "Type this in a terminal: cd /where/your/files/are and then type: for f in *.jpg; do convert $f $f.png; done. That's all." If I wanted to assist him "the GUI way", I would stop using a language (the shell's command language in this case) and would need to draw him pictures - or describe them: "First you click on the blue square, this is either on the left of your desktop, upper region, or it is on the right. Then there will be a grey window and a blue window. On top of the grey window, click the yellow ball. When the ball is jumping into the blue window, a dancing elephant appears. Click on that." :-) You know what I mean: I have no idea how to convert a bunch of JPEG files to PNG per GUI. :-) > It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's tolerance > for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. The preference of tools used also depends HEAVILY on the task. For entering continuous data (e. g. for a tax software, for a document generation system, for a listing program), the keyboard is #1. There just is no way around it, and professionals (!) will KNOW that it is done that way. For many games, a combination of mouse and keyboard is used. Mouse-only operations are often used in graphics manipulation software or video editing. I would NOT claim that just because this concepts fit in THIS use, it fits in ALL uses. > This is the kind of thinking > that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. And it worked, too. UNIX (X) defaults to a mouse with three buttons, because it can stand on them in a stable manner. :-) > That was not evident in the explanation of what happened. The > explanation suggested nothing about the batch file in question being > difficult to use (or "figure out"). From the sound of it, three > instructions on a 3x5 card would have sufficed to ensure everybody knew > what to do, except in the case of people who do not know how to operate a > keyboard. The primary REFUSE to use the keyboard because the mouse EXISTS prevents lazy users even from READING that 3x5 card. They are often not WILLING to follow instructions, no matter how simple (or even idiotic, sorry) they may be. In worst case, they expect YOU to come over and DO THEIR WORK. This leads to the misbelief that things which AREN'T easy "are easy" - because someone else does them. :-) > I think that GUIs are quite valuable when used where appropriate. I > think that the rest of the time, people greatly exaggerate the value of > the GUI, to the extent that they begin to think the CLI (as well as TUIs > in general) has no value at all. That's my observation, too. Everything that involves using the keyboard is called "DOS". :-) You can still see that, when it comes to REAL work, text mode things that look "old-fashioned" are still in use. An example is today's use of 3270 text mode applications (80x25 chars, some colors, all text) for programmers who work on a tax and payment system on the mainframe. NONE of them would be able to do that in GUI. I've spoken with such programmers, and they told me what they REALLY hate is that their boss requires them to load the results into some "Word" or "Excel" and manually (!) format all the stuff (instead of just writing an output program that creates PDF files by some means). They told me that this "after-work" consumes more time than the programming itself. > I used to be one of those idiots, and > there was a time when I would have been on your side of this little > debate. That was almost fifteen years ago. Times change, and I grow in > knowledge and experience. Let me emphasize your last sentence: Times change, and I grow in knowledge and experience. You do. Most "average users" don't, as they don't evolve. Those who resist learning will always be left with what others provide to them - even if that is the worst crap imaginable, and they would still believe that they are "doing it professionally". At the point where productivity transforms into money earned or lost, priorities change. The dancing elephant that has been interesting in the past is uninteresting now, as it costs amount X of $ per hour. > Obviously, many tasks related to visually oriented work like image > editing are excepted from this. Such tasks are a minority, however, > where non-casual use is concerned. Web browsing IS a majority, for example. A well-designed web browser could benefit both the average and the professional user. Let's say this "ideal browser" requires a bit of learning, maybe some reading. The professional will do that, and he will master this new program and productively use it. The average user will refuse to read in the first place, and resist to use "something different". There's a big aversion against anything that is "not like mine". The more average users are confronted with CLI, thinking and learning AT WORK, they seem to be more interested to get this experience in a home context. They learn something new at work because they are FORCED TO (as their employer needs them to learn the new XYZ program). This gives them the idea: "Oh, the keyboard operations are not that bad, I can much faster find my files, and those reqular expressions are a bit complicated, but I see they can be really useful! And writing my own commands to perform actions A, B and C, and D if needed, are great. At home, I don't have this." Average users tend to want to have "the same pictures at home as they know them from work" (the word "picture" refers to the GUI look & feel, obivously). This is the main reason they get pirated copies of expensive software just because their office also has that (maybe also an illegal installation, but nobody knows). The more average users become aware of ALTERNATIVES, the less they resist to learn something new. I've seen many friends being UNHAPPY with how things are forced upon them, and they asked for alternatives, which I could show them. Of course, at first sight, it looks like Magic, then it looks like Voodoo, after that like hard work, and finally like knowledge and experience. That's what I always tell them: I couldn't do that Magic from the beginning, I had to invest time and exercise - that's why I'm so very expensive :-) - in order to master those tools. But ***YOU*** are free to learn those tools, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 18:50:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C7E106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:50:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F3A8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437361E1C1; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:50:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACIovv9001729; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:50:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:50:57 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101112195057.c4408348.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112012551.GD35128@guilt.hydra> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101110175717.GB23184@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101110180915.00005202@unknown> <20101112012551.GD35128@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:50:59 -0000 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:25:51 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > It's too bad such APIs require so much more knowledge, and present so > much more of a barrier to entry for automating tasks, than a simpler CLI > filter's interface provides via something like the Unix pipeline. Any GUI is limited to the use by halfway healthy individuals. They are a no-go for blind users, for example. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:06:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421EC1065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37738FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AA21D990; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:06:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACJ6r7k001781; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:06:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:06:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rob Farmer Message-Id: <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:06:56 -0000 On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence > with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very > efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've > got to learn some before you can do anything. When entering WHICH field new to you this is different? Repeat after me: Computers. Are. Not. Easy. :-) > That can pay off, if you > keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing > (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably > not worthwhile. That's not fully true, as you may have learned something new and usable aside, which you may use in a different setting where you can remember it. I may give a very individual example: I've been reading about the shell's ability to use built-in field splitting (see the section "Parameter Expansion" in "man sh"); I didn't need that when I was reading that text, but KNOWING that this was possible (and remembering where I read it) recently helped me. Those "side-effects of learning" are sometimes MORE IMPORTANT than the lesson learned in the end (allthough my example may not have been a good illustration for that, but I think you got the idea). What you learn by learning? An important question. You learn to think, to read, to conclude; to combine, to separate, to filter, to judge; to abstract, to specify; to express. > While you argue that it increases flexibility, which > is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to > the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. Understandable. You have to decide what to spend time on - BEFORE spending that time, as when you're done, it's too late. :-) The "side-effects" of learning processes may help you to evaluate the neccessarity or the benefits of using X over Y, reading Z instead of nothing, or doing "trial & error". The more you learn, the more you know, your considerations may change. > I never > read documentation for GUI programs This is because there is no documentation for them. :-) > - I jump right in and look through > the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate > and move on. One of my professors once said: "Trial & error is NOT a programming concept!" :-) The more complex the task gets, the more "costly" it can be to do that kind of "trial & error" (chasing throgh menues, dialog boxes, windows, icons and items). It can even be that you need more time to find out that the result you got from a GUI program that you ASSUMED to do the job properly is pure garbage - and you invested hours on clicking into that program, just to have a big file of crap in the end. Well-documented (!) CLI programs tend to state much better what a program is capable of. The ability of EXCHANGE of programs for testing is also a strength of the CLI that does not have something corresponding in GUI land. If you want to see if GUI programs G1, G2 and G3 do the job you want, you need to perform the job THREE TIMES - once per program. For CLI programs C1, C2 and C3, you just go for PROG in C1 C2 C3; do $PROG < infile > outfile.$PROG.txt; done and have the COMPUTER do that - NOT ***YOU***. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:07:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBB11065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:07:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC58FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACJ7vi8011538; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oACJ7vSP011535; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:07:57 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20101112170447.GC8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> <20101112170447.GC8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:07:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:07:58 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:40:01AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: >> >>> is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get >>> around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? >>> I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long >>> time now. >> ... >>> 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an >>> upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. >> >> 'mergemaster -Ui' helps. > > thanks, that helped. Did the default behavior of mergemaster change > somewhere because i didn't have to do this awhile ago (months not > years). Not AFAIK, but I've been using -Ui for quite a while, so maybe I just missed it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:20:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6591D1065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:20:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CDE8FC1F for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so340080qyk.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.236.194 with SMTP id kl2mr2276858qcb.74.1289589627303; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <20101112170447.GC8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> References: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> <20101112170447.GC8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:20:27 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:20:28 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:04, Leon Me=DFner wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:40:01AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: >> >> > is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get >> > around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? >> > I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long >> > time now. >> ... >> > 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an >> > upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. >> >> 'mergemaster -Ui' helps. > > thanks, that helped. Did the default behavior of mergemaster change > somewhere because i didn't have to do this awhile ago (months not > years). The problem is the svn to cvs exporter doesn't properly tag the existing revisions for releases, but rather checks in a brand new revision and tags that. So, when you switch branches (such as release to stable) with CVS, all the $FreeBSD$ tags change, and you get the false positives in mergemaster. Using your example (etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar), there is: 1.5.36.1.4.1 for RELENG_8_1 1.5.36.1 for RELENG_8 1.5 for MAIN (current) There are many more 1.5.x revisions for other branches. These shouldn't exist - the file hasn't changed since 2000 and 1.5 should just be tagged with for all releases since then. --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:21:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E066610656D9 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E718FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACJKvQh011596; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oACJKvPJ011593; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:20:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:20:57 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: doug@safeport.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> <4CDD699E.8050302@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:20:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: Fbsd8 , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:21:05 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, doug@safeport.com wrote: > Thanks. The [latest] BIOS has one VGA option: > > Video DAC Snoop Controls how VGA and graphics devices on the PCI or AGP > bus respond to palette register accesses. > > * On - forces VGA and graphics devices to snoop VGA palette register > accesses and forward them to the ISA bus. > * Off - (the default) forces VGA and graphics devices to respond > positively to palette register accesses. Is there a "Init Graphics Card First" that can be set to AGP/PCI? That would let the preferred card be seen first. Still only one card. I don't know what's needed for multi-card xorg support on FreeBSD, but I suspect it won't happen soon. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:22:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EC31065694 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428A38FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C031DF49; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:22:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACJMJCQ001860; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:22:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:22:18 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101112202218.b4a30aa0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112182322.GB40175@guilt.hydra> References: <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107220729.000048f6@unknown> <20101107224109.GB2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101108103008.190bb967.freebsd@edvax.de> <4cd9127d.u5WgVW7/5NthFOf6%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101112004926.GB35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112191438.241de8fc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101112182322.GB40175@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:22:21 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:23:22 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > The type of program I specifically meant was the sort of thing that > actually tells the user the command that would perform the same task as > the button-click, so that users of the GUI (or captive interface TUI) > would get to see what is going on behind the scenes and perhaps learn > from it. Ah, I see. I've in fact wirtten such a wrapper program around the pw program - a set of input fields to define input data (command line parameters) to pw, and a "composited field" that would contain the resulting command. If the wrapper did miss a function, you could access this final command field and also edit it. Depending on which options you had set, the command in that field would change. The GUI wrapper also gave a short explaination of the options used. Sadly, this concept is usually NOT employed by GUI programs because their programmers think about "their way" as the only way existing. So if "my" image viewer allows you to resize and convert ONE picture, why should it show you how to do that with an arbitrary amount of pictures? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:26:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1DB106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4DE8FC0C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:26:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oACJQpHq011630; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oACJQpWZ011627; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Luki Bangun Subekti In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't Detect REALTEK ethernet card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:26:52 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Luki Bangun Subekti wrote: > Hi.. I'm just study about networking using freeBSD.. > I installed freeBSD in virtual machine, VMware Workstation. When I set > network configuration, in interfaces option, I can't see Realtek PCI > ethernet card. I just see Intel ethernet card and PPP. I'm using internet by > LAN in my home. DHCP also can't be used. Is there someone know about this > problem? The virtual environment provides a virtual network card. That's likely the Intel card you see. There may be settings you need to make in the VM software to provide NAT or bridged networking to the virtual card. Once that's set, your FreeBSD VM can use that virtual card as if it were real. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/virtualization-guest.html The emulation@ mailing list may provide better answers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:28:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC441065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6C5D8FC1B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14601 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 19:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 19:28:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=IAJsjfx0eRUWnQg2I+P9xuWjn8Jk2/ubN9wooT2HlAq+DY97XFAwvkQL3NEsZmGyhMRnf92EIVGGL8WCEqvDTtULQpWPcin8q7s3mqdIJAHK1bFPCt49GPOhEjS9zWq4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGzIn-0000Hm-Q4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:28:50 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:22:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:22:38 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112192238.GA40427@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112071646.GF37058@guilt.hydra> <4CDD8907.3060405@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CDD8907.3060405@laposte.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:28:52 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:35:51PM +0100, Michael Gr=FCnewald wrote: >=20 > But in my opinion, a complete GUI software should also provide some=20 > command line facilities. I mean, for instance, a word processing=20 > software could be shipped with command line tools that could be used to > * inspect document properties (word count, meta information fields); > * convert the document to a publishable form such as PostScript; > * do field replacement for mailings; > and many less elementary treatments could also be useful! Some software= =20 > comes with a scripting language, but for simple operation and batch=20 > processing, this may not be so convenient as a command line tool. The "easy" way to do that would probably be to write things as single-purpose libraries with command line interfaces, then write GUI interfaces that use those libraries. Failing that, just write command line tools and write GUIs that use those tools on the back end; writing them as libraries with command line interfaces is not *entirely* necessary. In addition to being the "easy" way, I'd say it's the *right* way to do it as well. That way, someone who *just* wants the functionality of one or two CLI utilities, and not all the functionality of some bloated GUI all-in-one application, can get the parts independently. Last I checked, I think K3b uses cdrdao, cdrtools, and growisofs on the back end, with the GUI just an interface layer over the top of those tools. While I'm not a fan of things being tied into a set of DE libraries for applications I actually use, at least the basic premise of composing GUI tools from CLI tools is well used in this case. At least two of those three CLI tools are also actually composed of several smaller CLI tools, themselves. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdk/4ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVl8gCg9Z/1uXZFYhqR23l62pnyQsws oVEAoNa3UPsTd8QKwiiJo3Xy2Kc18m3P =r7wr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:31:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061F71065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A2F8FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oACJTsTJ018529; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oACJTs6w018528; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:29:54 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Alejandro Imass Message-ID: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Free BSD Questions list , Neal Hogan Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:31:06 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:36:29PM -0500, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Jos Silveira > > Date: 2010/11/11 > > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > To: Neal Hogan > > > > > > What an absurd! A guy makes a question and an stupid like you send me > > this crap! I hope freebsd explodes! > > > > First, please don't top-post. > Second, stop feeding the trolls. We souldn't be falling for this crap > once again. > Third, if you don't like FreeBSD and want it to explode, please just leave. Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for the first time probably each day. Some of them will have the same mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's heads from an early age. Although you may get tired of hearing that same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a person a troll if they ask the question. The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. If they make useful use of the information, they are not a troll, just someone needing information. If they want to add tricky new twists to keep the thing going, then they probably are a troll and ignoring additional responses becomes even more important. So, if you want other prople to use their intelligence, then practice using yours. ////jerry > > > > 2010/11/12 Neal Hogan > >> > >> 2010/11/11 Neal Hogan : > >> > 2010/11/11 Jos Silveira : > >> >> Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > >> >> > >> >> For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run away! > >> > > >> > > >> > Is this better? > >> > > >> > >> (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:33:40 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D00D10656A3 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:33:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE1C8FC15 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so1116803vws.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:33:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.241.9 with SMTP id lc9mr771269qcb.112.1289590419165; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:33:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:33:40 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:06, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: >> I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence >> with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very >> efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've >> got to learn some before you can do anything. > > When entering WHICH field new to you this is different? > > Repeat after me: Computers. Are. Not. Easy. :-) None - but people don't feel like they are entering a new field. Everyone uses computers - public schools have spent massive amounts of money to start kids using computers at 5 or 6 years old, if they haven't already at home. So the discussion isn't framed as learning something new - its "why should we change the way everyone has been working for years?" To use a US example, you see the same thing with the SI/metric system. Scientists and other technical people use it almost universally without issue (except for some oddities, PSI is somewhat popular) - it is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see it as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything has always been done. -- Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:38:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F981106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7218FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oACJbPI2018650; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:37:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oACJbOSd018649; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:37:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:37:24 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Neal Hogan Message-ID: <20101112193724.GC18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <13183_1289523231_4CDC901F_13183_3537_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C4C@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Gary Gatten , "jmlsilveira@gmail.com" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:38:36 -0000 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 07:26:17PM -0600, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > PLEASE let's not rehash this again!!! > > > > I'm only sending the link to the haloed (sp?) daemon now because I > wish I had last time but f'd it up. > I'm done now . . . I just thought that those who are offended by > "evil" daemons would appreciate the "holy" ones. > > (sorry) http://www.openbsd.org/art/newhead.jpg I like this one. It continues the tongue firmly in the cheek sense of the whole BSDie thing. Thanks for posting it. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:53:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4D21065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B792C8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13447 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 19:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 19:53:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=TU0KgJftbwFXpMJLSSImFp1qGWKdNhnn7bWDXVIqoXfB4MzXagWL81wXbuJTh5jvYdPrwH//FdTizvZz32u0WBFUc1VrZfjSD6kBi68jbrCzR4qGhMsk/tovFA9g807a; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGzgt-0004Nx-49 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:53:44 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:47:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:47:32 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112194732.GB40427@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112194951.5d56b86a.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112194951.5d56b86a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:53:45 -0000 --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:49:51PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > The primary REFUSE to use the keyboard because the mouse EXISTS > prevents lazy users even from READING that 3x5 card. They are > often not WILLING to follow instructions, no matter how simple > (or even idiotic, sorry) they may be. In worst case, they expect > YOU to come over and DO THEIR WORK. >=20 > This leads to the misbelief that things which AREN'T easy "are > easy" - because someone else does them. :-) This sounds a bit like a common problem with people thinking that Unix-like OSes are not "user friendly" because they're "hard" to install, a frequent protestations of people who like MS Windows because it comes already installed on their computers, and that they think is easy to "install" because of the recovery partition that resets the system to factory settings. Comparing this with installing from scratch is an apples and orange comparison. >=20 > Web browsing IS a majority, for example. A well-designed web > browser could benefit both the average and the professional > user. Let's say this "ideal browser" requires a bit of learning, > maybe some reading. The professional will do that, and he will > master this new program and productively use it. The average > user will refuse to read in the first place, and resist to use > "something different". There's a big aversion against anything > that is "not like mine". Web browsing is a majority of *time* spent, but it is only one task in and of itself. As such, it only increments the minority number of tasks that really do better in the GUI by 1. Actually, with the amount of Web browsing people do, the default GUI approach to using a browser is incredibly inefficient. Some people begin to get beyond that when they start learning the rudiments of driving an interface via the keyboard, using the keybindings for the specific browser they use -- such as Ctrl+L to get to the address bar, typing a word like "blogstrapping" there, and hitting Ctrl+Enter to automatically add a "www." in front of that word and ".com" after it then load the page at the other end of that resulting "www.blogstrapping.com" URL. Most of them never realize the significant efficiency benefits that could be realized by spending fifteen minutes (at most) learning the basic interface of something like the Vimperator extension for Firefox, or how to use a natively keyboard-driven browser like uzbl. True, these are still essentially GUI tools in many respects, but with those keyboard driven interfaces they effectively become CLI/GUI hybrids, using commands to control a graphical display. In even the most GUI-oriented tasks, I tend to find that at least some hybridizing with a CLI approach results in a massive efficiency and productivity improvement. >=20 > That's what I always tell them: I couldn't do that Magic from the > beginning, I had to invest time and exercise - that's why I'm so very > expensive :-) - in order to master those tools. But ***YOU*** are free > to learn those tools, too. Good. A principle I apply to my own consulting work, which is relevant is this: A true professional works toward the day when he is no longer necessary. I've come up with a number of different formulations of that concept over the years, but the basic premise and principle remains constant. Empowering clients is much more rewarding as a career path than training them to be unhealthily dependent upon me. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdmdQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU8ZwCeJKSTuca/nFUliZMTBSOHsFPK 7xYAoM9caxQ4jFeQyYz150PTmE5iNZl6 =N9h7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 19:58:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0191D10656A7 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD6F8FC1D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DA91E4F7; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:58:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACJwgcE001961; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:58:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:58:42 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Rob Farmer Message-Id: <20101112205842.d71bec49.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:58:45 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:33:38 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:06, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > >> I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence > >> with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very > >> efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've > >> got to learn some before you can do anything. > > > > When entering WHICH field new to you this is different? > > > > Repeat after me: Computers. Are. Not. Easy. :-) > > None - but people don't feel like they are entering a new field. Hey, I was just kidding. :-) Computers and HOW we INTERACT with them have come a long way. The more BASIC your skills are, the better you can mater complex tasks - the tasks that are impossible to solve for the self-proclaimed dynamical long-legged elastic group-oriented program manangers. :-) > Everyone uses computers - public schools have spent massive amounts of > money to start kids using computers at 5 or 6 years old, if they > haven't already at home. Early indoctrination is the best. When the basics are learned, it's very easy to introduce misbeliefs, "musts" and strange concepts (or their absence at all). Schools are the ideal place for that. Using a computer and KNOWING about a computer are different things. As a car driver, I don't have to exactly know how the car works in every detail. Still I have to know the rules that apply in traffic. I need to have a driving license that states that I know - or I won't be able to participate in traffic. I'm just mentioning this as people do like car analogies. :-) What I want to say is that: Using the computer in a "trial & error manner" may be sufficient for some jobs, but even animals can be more clever than that. They even think before they act. School has done a good job convincing children to switch off their brain when switching on the computer. You can see the absence of common sense nearly everywhere where computers are in regular use. Don't force me to give examples. :-) > So the discussion isn't framed as learning something new - its "why > should we change the way everyone has been working for years?" Because your assumption is wrong. Why should we change it? No, we should not change it. The question is: WHO should change it, and WHY. Let me answer quickly: Those who need to do serious work (=who), because their money and therefore their future depends on it (=why). > To use a US example, you see the same thing with the SI/metric system. > Scientists and other technical people use it almost universally > without issue (except for some oddities, PSI is somewhat popular) - it > is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see it > as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything > has always been done. Exchange "always" to "for a long time" (which may be less than a man's life span for computer related topics). If you emphasize the "Where's the benefit?" approach, just see what incompatibility and misunderstandings can create in DIFFICULT situations. When terminonoly isn't used properly, when people can't even express what they need - why? Because they never learned the WORDS that are needed. Our spoken and written language heavily relies on words and how we use them. Words are a domain of CLI, natively, while GUI operates on pictures, images, symbols. Of course symboles are also a kind of language, but this language is often much harder to learn. The circle closes: When scholar education didn't provide the basics of language, how can an individual be able to use a system that depends on language (when this individual has only learned to chose from a predefined set of options)? Seeing things "as new" can be a great accelleration in promoting changes. People "want new", because their friends "have new", or the neighbor "has better". Using this approach, together with the mechanisms of advertising that control the market, people can be forced to DO anything, BUY anything, BELIEVE anything - and those people even believe they are choosing freely. To adopt that concept to the consideration GUI vs. CLI, or "how good is _this_ GUI", advertising dictates how people think about the whole topic. A shiny application window, dancing elephants, lots of blingbling, stylish animations and sounds can make them really forget about what has been their primary interest: to use the PC in order to get a JOB DONE. "Entertainment" ia a magic word you often see here, as well as "experience". It depends on the individidual state of mind what a person enjoys as "enter- taining" or "experiencing". A video game can do that, as well as a book. I may use an example from psychiatry: In the past we had patients who suffered from "pathological gambling". They sat infront of one-armed bandits and were putting all their money (as well as NOT their money) into the slot machine. More and more, day after day. The effects presented by the machine was giving them "excite- ment" and "joy", the overall setting "commodity" and "a familiar warmth" (as long as they HAD money). This made them forget what was REALLY happening - them losing all their money. The continuous bombardement of the mind with this setting lead to a change of how "thoughts were made", and strange expectations came up: "The slot machine HAS to pay my money back!" or "I'm not responsible for losing my money, the slot machine took it!" or even "I *have to* gamble! I must win my money back!" Bringing this example into the initial discussion: You often see users who are familiar with GUIs (they'll never admit they have learned anything!) that they have strange concepts in mind, or simply deny the possibility of "a differen reality" (work that can be done in 1/10th the time, for example). Those also put their cup of coffee onto the fingerslime-glidepad of their laptop and complain that the coffee warmer doesn't work. :-) No, seriously: The more educated you are when approaching GUI concepts, the more you can form a valueful opinion about it. Many aspects are individual experiences from daily use. As your knowledge (as a professional) is usually MUCH MORE than just pointing and grunting, erm, clicking, you are able to "look behind the curtain". This may lead you to the opinion that GUI program Y is pure crap, while Z is good for the job, while your boss insists on using Y - unlike Z - as it has singing and dancing bunnies. =^_^= -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 20:02:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E58106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFC1A8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18291 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 20:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 20:02:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=DKRZr2VcQ3UlSRmGdLZ//D7aU1t+ieC2VfwHA7A0xn7WI8RgOVsWdK/ltgM3TnV+/abScZx2Q9pFrUZ2s3/yiojsLnflE0gQh5cX10ikgeIXfTaAgYkQQXgnFKQQxooq; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PGzp8-0000nN-1j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:02:15 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:56:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:56:03 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112195603.GA40603@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:16 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:33:38AM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: >=20 > To use a US example, you see the same thing with the SI/metric system. > Scientists and other technical people use it almost universally > without issue (except for some oddities, PSI is somewhat popular) - it > is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see it > as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything > has always been done. The military uses metric measures as well. Ranges are measured in meters, not feet or yards, for instance. Distances for travel are typically measured in kilometers (aka "klicks"). The fact that the general public in the US has thus far largely resisted the use of metric measures is in no way evidence that their use should not be encouraged, however. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdm9MACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXebQCfWKcR1jyqSfVyRFpGMlN6GNdh wj0AoJQpQz4n7GkSYz0gbjtxHbCaOKtX =HNpz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 20:23:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626DA106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0B88FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF3A1E66A; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:23:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oACKNrv0002039; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:23:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:23:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20101112212353.e893e2fc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112194732.GB40427@guilt.hydra> References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112194951.5d56b86a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101112194732.GB40427@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:23:57 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:47:32 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > This sounds a bit like a common problem with people thinking that > Unix-like OSes are not "user friendly" because they're "hard" to install, > a frequent protestations of people who like MS Windows because it comes > already installed on their computers, and that they think is easy to > "install" because of the recovery partition that resets the system to > factory settings. No. "Windows" is easy to install because someone else does it. :-) What, on the other hand, is not "user friendly" when everything you have to do is to follow the instructions on screen? > Comparing this with installing from scratch is an > apples and orange comparison. That's true of course. See a professional IT person that does NOT have "Windows" knowledge it may also be complicated to install "Windows" as he can't say from the (wrongly) used terminology what the installer wants. A sidenote from the german point of view: "Windows" installs require the user to "press the input key" (Eingabetaste), which refers to Enter, Return, or "arrow down and left". This is too complicated for the average user as he does NOT know where the "input key" is on the keyboard. (I've seen that one many times already.) > Actually, with the amount of Web browsing people do, the default GUI > approach to using a browser is incredibly inefficient. Some people begin > to get beyond that when they start learning the rudiments of driving an > interface via the keyboard, using the keybindings for the specific > browser they use -- such as Ctrl+L to get to the address bar, typing a > word like "blogstrapping" there, and hitting Ctrl+Enter to automatically > add a "www." in front of that word and ".com" after it then load the page > at the other end of that resulting "www.blogstrapping.com" URL. That's not how average users do it. They first enter google's URI, then enter the URI they want to access in the google search field and finally click on the first restult - tadaa! :-) Many users are not familiar with the browser they are using. The functionality used contains address entry, bookmarks, and File > Print. Did I leave out page navigation (back, forward)? Yes, I did. This seems to be the reason many web pages do implement that THEIRSELVES - read: the web page contains some functionality of the web browser. Advantage: can run in full- screen; disadvantage: adds complexity advanced users are not interested in. > Most of them never realize the significant efficiency benefits that could > be realized by spending fifteen minutes (at most) learning the basic > interface of something like the Vimperator extension for Firefox, or how > to use a natively keyboard-driven browser like uzbl. Don't miss the integration of keyboard AND mouse - this is also very useful for desktop opreations, as game developers have already recognized this and adopted - often requiring a mouse with 16 buttons. :-) > True, these are > still essentially GUI tools in many respects, but with those keyboard > driven interfaces they effectively become CLI/GUI hybrids, using commands > to control a graphical display. In even the most GUI-oriented tasks, I > tend to find that at least some hybridizing with a CLI approach results > in a massive efficiency and productivity improvement. I've seen this when talking to a professional video editor: She mostly used the (differently colored) keys of the keyboard to perform the main operations, only very few times the mouse was used. This made her work look like Magic and Voodoo at the same time - for ME, a keyboard guy. :-) > Good. A principle I apply to my own consulting work, which is relevant > is this: > > A true professional works toward the day when he is no longer > necessary. But when he is not needed, who pays him? ;-) You are right: The professional should concentrate on the complicated, interesting tasks that require his fast mind, his creativity and his knowledge, while leaving monotonous tasks to others (e. g. "baby- sitting users to click on this, on that, and reboot"). The more GUI is "in the game", the more a professional seems to be required to "dumb himself down" to aid the novice users (who do not want to read or learn something), finally resulting in HIM doing THEIR work. That just cannot be. > Empowering clients is much more rewarding as a career path than training > them to be unhealthily dependent upon me. That's true. I'm always happy when I can talk to customers who tell me: "I'm not frightened of the keyboard. In fact, I want you do make the program react on keyboard input as I have to enter LOTS of numbers continuously, and I want to be able to automate certain things so I don't have to do that manually for every of my clients." When I then see that people actually have learned things, I see them being more professional - leading to being more happy, as they have less work to do (because they are now ABLE to DELEGATE this work to the computer). "Thanks you showed me that terminal thing, but can you help me getting this idea of mine working?" is a situation that can follow, and I'm more than willing to help the customer getting the thing done HIMSELF (!!!) instead of doing it FOR him - which would be much more expensive. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 20:24:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D301065750 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pgiessel@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6EE8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:24:09 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from Blue-Star.local ([12.12.31.115]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0LBS004HDGO6BY60@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:24:09 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1004200000 definitions=main-1011120171 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.2.15,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2010-11-12_10:2010-11-12, 2010-11-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:09 -0900 From: "Peter A. Giessel" To: Rob Farmer X-Priority: 3 In-reply-to: Message-id: X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.2.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:24:10 -0000 On 2010/11/12 at 10:33, rfarmer@predatorlabs.net (Rob Farmer) wrote: >Scientists and other technical people use it almost universally >without issue (except for some oddities, PSI is somewhat popular) Would you consider engineers "technical people"? One example would be the American Association of State Highway Transportation Officials (AASHTO) LRFD Bridge Design Specification. They have discontinued the SI Units version as nobody was using it or buying it. I would disagree with you assessment that "technical people" "almost universally" use SI. >it is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see >it as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything >has always been done. It depends on what you mean by "real serious work". Try ordering a cubic meter of concrete or a #25 rebar in the U.S. and see how far you get. There is no universal solution to any technical problem. Each solution will suit some people's needs and aggravate other people. That is the beauty of something like FreeBSD, you can customize it to your needs. If you aren't willing to do that, there are several other OSs out there that do not offer the same level of customization that may be better suited for a particular purpose/user. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 20:43:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A285010656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E4F8FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0Jq-0001nJ-0a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:33:59 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:43:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:43:36 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112204336.GA6482@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112200653.9929e115.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101112195603.GA40603@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112195603.GA40603@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:43:42 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 12 November 2010: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:33:38AM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > >=20 > > To use a US example, you see the same thing with the SI/metric system. > > Scientists and other technical people use it almost universally > > without issue (except for some oddities, PSI is somewhat popular) - it > > is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see it > > as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything > > has always been done. >=20 > The military uses metric measures as well. Ranges are measured in > meters, not feet or yards, for instance. Distances for travel are > typically measured in kilometers (aka "klicks"). >=20 > The fact that the general public in the US has thus far largely resisted > the use of metric measures is in no way evidence that their use should > not be encouraged, however. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] I'm sure plenty of people resisted giving up measurements using the cubit a= nd parasang. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3ab4AAoJEIpckszW26+R3vIIAJwdUE169w7LqT9jfs0+HrSl fOsVgPbt9iDuvxC8e7PO9DiWLIEG08RJWWST5m/8yiswI+snA7iV1DRD20xDualx XA6tlm1dG9CDiRjBoUHxewTDwVbw7QWT37CdpXUBEPQXl9gdlonFNycOgNqTOpU4 CqZMGJ0OFiBQUlv7BUbCyCGWAfp36N0wsGYC4Jc2kaDX/nyMJjjM6zhL0NV8ZtDH BUOTevE6MpWSuwzHKAjtF9bGK7UIcXFSmhcAqnRG77MbArOs2InY/LtPV37w/jUc rbBUdo3IpEBVNCYjnA3ZB4j0M0mL9gcbRj2+FoKQL9Fwb7jmoz/97gcOGmeUM5A= =QuNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 20:47:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7737710656C7 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:47:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBECE8FC1A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0N9-0002hb-DX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:47:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:47:02 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112204702.GB6482@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: uzbl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:47:10 -0000 --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 12 November 2010: > On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 01:54:32PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > >=20 > > How do you start uzbl? It installed fine for me, but I keep getting co= re > > dumps when I run it. There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tri= ed > > 'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'. For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the > > initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it. >=20 > I thought I had responded to this, but apparently I had not. Sorry about > that. >=20 > I'm not sure why you are having these problems. I guess I would suggest > talking to someone in the #uzbl channel on freenode. When I installed > uzbl, the uzbl-core and uzble-browser commands worked great. Getting > uzbl-tabbed took a little more doing, because a dependency (py-gtk) was > not yet installed. >=20 > By the way, it seems that uzbl-tabbed is a little rudimentary. It > actually lacks some of uzbl-browser's capabilities, and lacks some basic > stuff you'd expect a tabbed browser to have (like a single command or > click approach to opening a link in a new tab). >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Thanks for the response. When I get some time, I'll figure out what's going on here and let you know. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3afGAAoJEIpckszW26+RDM8IALCgy0SAGOQQ3FB0g7LFQKWe TYTamXpJn+OhYXZqlm/al23uwWZ8dQnJXdUc8bxmVUV2Flsd4WwMzw5b99uvbngR HW8/ljuSHM+H6GA51WAw1ClltJdC10oM/Y0ZKimPXi+8Mlkc8EZshUOuFGvEhcr2 P5Q2+H/docX/wnaWaoj3KqI4sLQL4IvhmsCNcD1SB3fETdb+oIypgCtmZ0qr2Olf NKs7vHwe57sdjfl0nrKJk+bwTFHFAjujOERwCJVZf+ZDvUcsFWDsX7+wKe5p2FRf nubcHqQjENfTURT2+KKmTR+3TbjHB0zoi5kdz7KoXfKdRwfG365T3JoRpZqiopI= =Kqr0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 21:25:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FFD1065717 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A158FC1E for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so1662186ywa.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.8.13 with SMTP id 13mr1895706anh.85.1289597115602; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8sm464450ana.2.2010.11.12.13.25.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93CF7E5487D for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:25:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:25:10 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101112162510.49ff899a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:25:16 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:24:09 -0900 Peter A. Giessel articulated: > It depends on what you mean by "real serious work". Try > ordering a > cubic meter of concrete or a #25 rebar in the U.S. and see how > far you > get. Seriously, does everyone in this tread suffer from ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder). The attention span here is pathetic. We start out with a some question regarding installing Windows & FreeBSD and have through some convoluted path ending up at ordering concrete. BTW, was that for ASTM A497 rebar? So, to answer the OP's question, try a Windows forum. Perhaps someone there could assist you without going off on a tangent. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 21:30:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A827E10656A4 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B628FC17 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oACLUVQo080861 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: doug@safeport.com To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20101108172605.19cd3995@scorpio> <4CDD699E.8050302@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Xorg support for adding a graphics card X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:30:34 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, doug@safeport.com wrote: > >> Thanks. The [latest] BIOS has one VGA option: >> >> Video DAC Snoop Controls how VGA and graphics devices on the PCI or AGP >> bus respond to palette register accesses. >> >> * On - forces VGA and graphics devices to snoop VGA palette register >> accesses and forward them to the ISA bus. >> * Off - (the default) forces VGA and graphics devices to respond >> positively to palette register accesses. > > Is there a "Init Graphics Card First" that can be set to AGP/PCI? That would > let the preferred card be seen first. Still only one card. I don't know > what's needed for multi-card xorg support on FreeBSD, but I suspect it won't > happen soon. No such option. I would go back to 7.3 except I did not save various packages and it would take several months to compile what I have :) thanks for the thought. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 22:15:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668CD106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385F38FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6ED6290320; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id B98D39095C; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:15:45 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:15:37 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? In-Reply-To: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:15:47 -0000 On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister" wrote: >Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for >the first time probably each day. Some of them will have the same >mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's >heads from an early age. Although you may get tired of hearing that >same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a >person a troll if they ask the question. Hmm. It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette. The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this is not a fringe opinion. >The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person >to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 22:39:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3A3106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EB98FC19 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oACMcAV8019655; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:38:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oACMcAkc019654; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:38:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:38:10 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Tom Worster Message-ID: <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Jerry McAllister , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:39:22 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:15:37PM -0500, Tom Worster wrote: > On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister" wrote: > > >Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for > >the first time probably each day. Some of them will have the same > >mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's > >heads from an early age. Although you may get tired of hearing that > >same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a > >person a troll if they ask the question. > > Hmm. > > It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question > without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is > multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group > such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette. > The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this > is not a fringe opinion. You expect a newbie to know it all. That is inconsiderate and lazy. You started somewhere, so does everyone else. > > > >The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person > >to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. > > I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing. > You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude. ////jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 22:43:26 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406EE106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CAA8FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so469493wyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:43:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.147.149 with SMTP id l21mr3007307wbv.171.1289601804059; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:43:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:43:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:43:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HknGq9bU5oRTj7RGUYuLqVNSXoE Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Tom Worster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jerry McAllister , Free BSD Questions list Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:43:26 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tom Worster wrote: > On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister" wrote: > >>Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for >>the first time probably each day. =A0 =A0Some of them will have the same >>mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's >>heads from an early age. =A0 =A0Although you may get tired of hearing tha= t >>same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make a >>person a troll if they ask the question. > > Hmm. > > It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question > without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is > multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion group > such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette. > The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that this > is not a fringe opinion. > > >>The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person >>to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. > > I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing. > > Thanks Tom, I was beginning to think no one else cared about such netiquette, and I just opted to let it go. Nevertheless, now that you brought this up, I would like to point a couple of more things out to Jerry: The _intelligent_ thing to do is to actually read before blabbering here about some religious crap. When the OP signed up to this list he must have read this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#E= RESOURCES-MAIL Where things like the following are very clearly stated: When in doubt about what list to post a question to, see How to get best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. Which points to this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ Before posting to any list, please learn about how to best use the mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated discussions, by reading the Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document. Which points to this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/ And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette, recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists. Ignorantia legis neminem excusat Cheers, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 22:45:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86D91065696 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477698FC14 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so668466ewy.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.29.68 with SMTP id p4mr3572144ebc.31.1289601936891; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:45:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: glibc-2.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:45:39 -0000 I've got a freebsd7.3 box running on an old VAIO PIII. For the most part Ziggy chugs along quite well as my backup internal webserver and dns slave. uname -a -> FreeBSD ziggy.xaerolimit.net 7.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 7.3-RELEASE-p3 #8: Sun Oct 24 01:53:03 EDT 2010 root@ziggy.xaerolimit.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZIGGY i386 This evening I was fixing the very old seti@home client that the machine has been chugging with for like 5 years now. The machine started out as a FreeBSD5 install and has been progressively upgraded over the years to it's current incarnate. While trying to use the client from this ( http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.10.58_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh) I get the following error [seti@ziggy ~]$ ./BOINC/run_client --attach_project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu be1dc44b8692b798473781a73c1944b7 --daemon ./boinc: /lib/obsolete/linuxthreads/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./boinc) [seti@ziggy ~]$ Incidentally, the same exact i686 binary works just fine on my FBSD64-8.1 laptop ... so what gives? I don't remember seeing a readily available GLIBC solution in ports. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 22:59:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D40106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE7F8FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so482652wyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:59:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.21 with SMTP id i21mr3071699wbw.26.1289602771222; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:59:31 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.227.145.133 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:59:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:59:31 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uaoPgmPgOg8Dw1x9HOuRK5ryKys Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Free BSD Questions list , Tom Worster Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:59:33 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:15:37PM -0500, Tom Worster wrote: > >> On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister" wrote: >> [...] > You expect a newbie to know it all. > That is inconsiderate and lazy. > You started somewhere, so does everyone else. > True. But when you join an existing community you _should_ be just a bit more prudent don't you think? Furthermore, I think we all have screwed up more than once and have had our good share of rudeness, and have dealt with it. The bad thing IMO is to continue to attack like the OP did after realizing his comment was not very welcome. > > >> >> >> >The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the person >> >to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. >> >> I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing. >> > > You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude. > I can't make out what you are trying to say here, but Tom's attitude is in fact the correct one. Is the well-accepted way of doing things in the hacker world, and very true, it's not for everyone. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Alex > ////jerry > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:03:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970B51065673 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nealhogan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299388FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so486261wyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lLKn+UboN0Ra4F+TSxeeCYGf8wQtcF9QHWzXHtb1+GE=; b=dOE+jxGknhqlWJRiirESwK0Slrcb68CB30LMtGoT5k0olee3zTc6qOpLOpYX941ZFS KyR+BioY7/ObQYP9XyzfhXHQFY+pvgFUJcVsKmYqZWrD8JNfXlEiftZG2jfME2JR+s7w dv138BNMgeky3EMiwNaB57WSPRJ+p+KGUhCw0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nJ97i4MsJSc7kfRLTScmV9T/QAaMwUCsI+sNxXSLaWslt/DFgUDCsf5b+z4C4j8dT3 fHJ2KGCuagEzwirzSGrbItbLsVCp3L11juBwT/fT6MxATbxXrKbCKJg6h+i+edOetCIt BkWjQZ8AZhaE2f+UKBxACxnEI0Cc78EcAAJhk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.191.160 with SMTP id g32mr4423513wen.18.1289603020364; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.244.71 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:03:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:03:40 -0600 Message-ID: From: Neal Hogan To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fwd: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:03:43 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Tom Worster wrote: >> On 11/12/10 2:29 PM, "Jerry McAllister" wrote: >> >>>Lots of people see FreeBSD and the web site and the mascott, etc for >>>the first time probably each day. =A0 =A0Some of them will have the same >>>mistaken idea since the misunderstanding of it is implanted in people's >>>heads from an early age. =A0 =A0Although you may get tired of hearing th= at >>>same old argument again and again, I do, it does not automatically make = a >>>person a troll if they ask the question. >> >> Hmm. >> >> It is inconsiderate and lazy to ask someone else to answer a question >> without making any effort to answer it yourself first. The misdeed is >> multiplied when the culprit asks hundreds of people in a discussion grou= p >> such as this. That's why it is often considered a violation of etiquette= . >> The fact that lmgtfy.com and 'RTFM' are both well know suggests that thi= s >> is not a fringe opinion. >> >> >>>The intelligent thing is to give a reasonable answer and point the perso= n >>>to some web pages where they can become informed and then ignore it. >> >> I would describe that as the indulgent thing, not the intelligent thing. >> >> > > Thanks Tom, I was beginning to think no one else cared about such > netiquette, and I just opted to let it go. Nevertheless, now that you > brought this up, I would like to point a couple of more things out to > Jerry: > > The _intelligent_ thing to do is to actually read before blabbering > here about some religious crap. > > When the OP signed up to this list he must have read this: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html= #ERESOURCES-MAIL > > Where things like the following are very clearly stated: > > When in doubt about what list to post a question to, see How to get > best results from the FreeBSD-questions mailing list. > Which points to this: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ > > Before posting to any list, please learn about how to best use the > mailing lists, such as how to help avoid frequently-repeated > discussions, by reading the Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions > (FAQ) document. > Which points to this: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/ > > And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette, > recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of > information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists. > > Ignorantia legis neminem excusat > Yes, yes, yes . . . but back to the issue at hand; cartoons with red faces and two horns, carrying sharp, pointy things indicate the evil that must be . . . . ummm . . . I don't know. I'm probably going to hell just for having thoughts about Satan (or whatever). Like I said, I don't know ;-) Ok . . . "now" I'm done. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:21:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100AE106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:21:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xsappyx@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E7F8FC1C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so500746wyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:21:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qjfMJA+SurSbzJtOLvJ63zHxekXzE5H+dt8s2HlIR/w=; b=bY2wlVoenHYFgr0OT0c8fOHrUi6vkaQ3184sQmNBqushiLPqVg2rZicWUoHmZ4g+mS Flyk0DcydSavtpy8KQ2e8uK3J6kYl2N6gBz3gjKublP7vEpFPKtaxFHi5McNmamzRvvO V/zXd/kly+Py7jBmkyUtDbOSu4VUYQDgcxJNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:23:03 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:43:23 -0500 Alejandro Imass articulated: > And in almost all these places there are links to the netiquette, > recommendations on how to search before you post and tons of > information on how to correctly interact with these mailing lists. Which are virtually never used. Hell, virgins get more action than some of those links. Les excuses sont comme des abrutis, tout le monde en avait un. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ Time sharing: The use of many people by the computer. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:26:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00171065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499978FC13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so678584ewy.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.28.205 with SMTP id n13mr3609181ebc.5.1289604364032; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:26:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:25:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: xSAPPYx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerrin Subject: Re: ssh authentication error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:26:06 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:58 PM, xSAPPYx wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:06, Jerrin wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On a mac system i generated the key using ssh-keygen -t dsa and copied > > .ssh/id_dsa.pub to /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys on a Freebsd server, > but > > it prompts for the password > > Check perms on /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys > chmod 640 or 600, not 644 > > If that doesn't work, try to ssh with a -v or -vv, that might give you > more of a clue > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > That's the permissions of my authorized_keys, I believe that's 0600, some systems require a much more restrictive 0400 octal. -rwxr--r-- 1 chris chris 622B Jun 28 21:36 authorized_keys Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:31:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381EC106564A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:5f6:3::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BD08FC0A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:::1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3A557378; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:31:36 +0900 (KST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=izb.knu.ac.kr; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=soyeomul; i=bh@izb.knu.ac.kr; bh=z 6F+knfwbkAR1NjI3xOt1xEoltb9+bHqTh9Wrg6eYWA=; b=NI+ijzYlZxPAETYXA GkBYf5CRvFXsVZxXkjaMOHVkd/q6LBzdfQEGsSD+JC4d9ggol98RCwN7hwm/O+3D QGPU7HsDHXMacu19kvxd2ultmwZxFcFG5rIiO6muNBBEI35yu7lnHpne0o1mAGwY GTEqvk9+0uroo3I6m3VPEODFiI= Received: from betla.izb.knu.ac.kr (betla.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:5f6:3::b]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A1B57375; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:31:35 +0900 (KST) Received: from betla.home (unknown [59.24.179.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) by betla.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9FA1CCF0; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:31:35 +0900 (KST) From: Byung-Hee HWANG To: =?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9?= Silveira Organization: GR References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVMM2UIAhGJrpkJDwsD AwgJAggKPnwFBAIEBAQJAjTkRM0eAAACN0lEQVQ4jW3Tv2sbMRQHcPnSDt78bMWctkOBgDc7 10I8Cl6DOpZm6RgPBx4LgbrjUbVVNiuXHNF/2yfJzqnEwmDfffyV9PSD2UNTfuu9A/65cT39 AnZ4j8pTcxzM/HlO4F8BnAcHCK14CuBeQXAFAJwbg/MmS2igEDWtrfZ9PyQiiJCxei1o+CNY bUJX4J1Cr8TQlbWmFZ3vijFwT58c7kW3Z3K84oJrFAPYds8Yk6zmwnGLGai9rApZnaGgBbAZ wF6GdoY3DiADA74IMMa5KzFPGEWDSLmAiSttDkhTqUVxAX+c/g9ER7BeVnzyZAdA5Go9Y+OC ydXNXZlDCetJtfpWyXp6xzNQmkA+i0J+nI7jGJjKVjPfXYUKpXtc3AbQR2CraazQP17StKgr /QpXEZrNAdIY7Wx/HmHR91U2K8XP10BLSEvS94scoPUJvN/mCVSqxiVBBdCzAbDkeG2/XlVy BCA8ZoD4AZdUxYsiABPABNCIhsagnng4LDvL0LYYijdWCZrsRTx3YUnQGh46+0sZ2tv3MZ1A xdKNxnuYFO9onTEClYZpHX//LNjyOiRs2ihzhO9MVnYACqo051YUZwMYhXEW1L7s2XU6LxZv I6g4L1NTeSm7+wUBlCpD3Cyl3KXEqq5ZG+8RhEfBqsN2jrqaQYQ2PH/qRqmnh4auGgjnXPrj j1udunqg887i/daHXTlA+Gbgm8aX9k1jvifQp2Ajm+2pRL+hk3QKGikv3dv3IdE4cwL+ATzH tMu8OktOAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Url: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/ X-Window-System: GNU Network Object Model Environment OpenPGP: id=96B196FE (expiration: 2013-10-26); perference=sign Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:31:09 +0900 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jos=C3=A9?= Silveira"'s message of "Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:39:28 +0000") Message-ID: <86eiaq3yrm.fsf@betla.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:31:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jos=C3=A9 Silveira writes: > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! Well, i don't think devil is bad thing. What do you think of? Sincerely, =2D-=20 =EC=86=8C=EC=97=AC=EB=AC=BC =ED=99=A9=EB=B3=91=ED=9D=AC(=E9=BB=83=E7=82=B3= =E7=86=99) | .. =EC=B6=9C=ED=95=AD 15=EB=B6=84=EC=A0=84.. $GR: projects/mp3/the-godfather,v 1.39 2008/08/10 15:35:10 bh Exp $ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdzkMACgkQsCouaZaxlv6R0QCcDFzukIjzTDKaG6rPQfmEMAKH cWwAoMCRrfmWI4sFhLdyIrdpnZGZs6Wj =esAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:36:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2DD1065674 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:36:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 040238FC18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23699 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 2010 23:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2010 23:36:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NKWAZ/x0bMOl4sSRD7dIuy76T/Wcb/SZBwgMSYQe6b92Z5ya1x2wcrJhaCaBGzS1t2Rw6U0+JZkBAHyoVgovELLFsFc6uZzeJ0b9BH+JkZFbzLBEonbDiuoC7muGMI65; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH3A6-0002Ls-0A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:07 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:29:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:29:54 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:36:08 -0000 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:38:10PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: >=20 > You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude. Not at all. It does indeed involve indulging others to do what you described. There is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but "indulgent" is exactly what it is. While it may be "intelligent" to do so as well (depending on circumstances and goals), it is not *the* intelligent thing to do, which implies that anything else is necessarily "unintelligent". May other approaches could be intelligent as well, including some non-indulgent approaches. This "attitude" does not preclude being indulgent, and I'm sure that any of us who have that "attitude" would indulge our children (if we have them) by feeding them in their youth to ensure they do not starve. One would hope, however, that we would teach those children to be a bit more self-sufficient before they reach the age of majority, however -- and that this self-sufficiency might suggest to them that a first approach to figuring out how to find out why a particular OS uses a given logo might be to check Wikipedia or search Google, or even to check the mailing list archives, before making accusatory, holier-than-thou demands of the community in the mailing list. The entire approach of the OP's demands was offensive and showed a distinct attitude of unwarranted entitlement. It should be no wonder that people did not respond positively, especially given that it happens probably about twice a year. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzdzfIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVhjQCgnDiD5oE0UUssWIKfurdpMqC9 dg8AoOxWsr8XZXIN+W96qznZOydgBqER =Ou8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:44:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D92B106566C for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D5A8FC16 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH3Hr-0005ti-9v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:44:07 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:44:07 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:44:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:45:01 -0500 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: glibc-2.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:13 -0000 Chris Brennan wrote: > I've got a freebsd7.3 box running on an old VAIO PIII. For the most part > Ziggy chugs along quite well as my backup internal webserver and dns > slave. > > uname -a -> FreeBSD ziggy.xaerolimit.net 7.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD > 7.3-RELEASE-p3 #8: Sun Oct 24 01:53:03 EDT 2010 > root@ziggy.xaerolimit.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZIGGY i386 > > This evening I was fixing the very old seti@home client that the machine > has been chugging with for like 5 years now. The machine started out as a > FreeBSD5 install and has been progressively upgraded over the years to > it's current incarnate. While trying to use the client from this ( > http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.10.58_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh) I get the > following error > > [seti@ziggy ~]$ ./BOINC/run_client --attach_project > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu be1dc44b8692b798473781a73c1944b7 --daemon > ./boinc: /lib/obsolete/linuxthreads/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not > found (required by ./boinc) > [seti@ziggy ~]$ There is a port devel/linuxthreads. An ldconfig -r |grep libc on an 8.1 release system here returns: 0:-lc.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 Since the above error is complaining about an .so.6 version, I'm wondering if you might need either/and/or the linuxthreads port installed in addition to misc/compat6x. > Incidentally, the same exact i686 binary works just fine on my FBSD64-8.1 > laptop ... so what gives? I don't remember seeing a readily available > GLIBC solution in ports. A quick look at the ports version reveals it to be an older version than described above. Listed as a dependency is glib-2.24.2. It would appear to me that the newer version you are trying to run has been built against a different, albeit older and out-of-date set of libraries. My guess is it was built against FreeBSD 6. I also believe if you were to install from ports it would be linking against pthread libs as opposed to the linuxthreads in the above error. Perhaps a closer examination and comparison against the FBSD64-8.1 that runs may show missing linuxthreads and compat6x? Just a wild guess on my part here. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:44:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92001065672 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519BD8FC1B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2240681eyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr2694925ebg.44.1289605461364; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:44:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:44:23 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 05:38:10PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > > > You would have starved before now if other people had your attitude. > > Not at all. > > It does indeed involve indulging others to do what you described. There > is nothing necessarily wrong with that, but "indulgent" is exactly what > it is. > > While it may be "intelligent" to do so as well (depending on > circumstances and goals), it is not *the* intelligent thing to do, which > implies that anything else is necessarily "unintelligent". May other > approaches could be intelligent as well, including some non-indulgent > approaches. > > This "attitude" does not preclude being indulgent, and I'm sure that any > of us who have that "attitude" would indulge our children (if we have > them) by feeding them in their youth to ensure they do not starve. One > would hope, however, that we would teach those children to be a bit more > self-sufficient before they reach the age of majority, however -- and > that this self-sufficiency might suggest to them that a first approach to > figuring out how to find out why a particular OS uses a given logo might > be to check Wikipedia or search Google, or even to check the mailing list > archives, before making accusatory, holier-than-thou demands of the > community in the mailing list. > > The entire approach of the OP's demands was offensive and showed a > distinct attitude of unwarranted entitlement. It should be no wonder > that people did not respond positively, especially given that it happens > probably about twice a year. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:45:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CD9106567A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50DC8FC12 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WPXH1f00A1ap0As5FPlmGR; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:45:46 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WPlk1f00B1f6R9u3iPllZl; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:45:46 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:45:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:45:42 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112234542.GG13998@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011100009.oAA09mfG024502@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101112011934.GC35128@guilt.hydra> <20101112194951.5d56b86a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101112194732.GB40427@guilt.hydra> <20101112212353.e893e2fc.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112212353.e893e2fc.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:45:47 -0000 Since this discussion refuses to die, I hope the participants will heed my suggestion and collect the results on a webpage somewhere so we don't have to go over it all many times again in the future. So far, I haven't seen anything said that wasn't already said five, ten, fifteen or even twenty years ago. Maybe it goes even further back than that, but that's about as long as I have personally been aware of this particular debate. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 12 23:57:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D9B106566B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:57:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC118FC08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WCQv1f0030ldTLk5DPxrYS; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:57:51 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WPxo1f00J1f6R9u3QPxpzb; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:57:50 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:57:51 -0000 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: >Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:02:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87742106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:02:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B6F8FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2244348eyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.108.196 with SMTP id g4mr2708144ebp.31.1289606561193; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:02:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: Michael Powell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: glibc-2.4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:02:44 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Chris Brennan wrote: > > > I've got a freebsd7.3 box running on an old VAIO PIII. For the most part > > Ziggy chugs along quite well as my backup internal webserver and dns > > slave. > > > > uname -a -> FreeBSD ziggy.xaerolimit.net 7.3-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD > > 7.3-RELEASE-p3 #8: Sun Oct 24 01:53:03 EDT 2010 > > root@ziggy.xaerolimit.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ZIGGY i386 > > > > This evening I was fixing the very old seti@home client that the machine > > has been chugging with for like 5 years now. The machine started out as a > > FreeBSD5 install and has been progressively upgraded over the years to > > it's current incarnate. While trying to use the client from this ( > > http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.10.58_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh) I get > the > > following error > > > > [seti@ziggy ~]$ ./BOINC/run_client --attach_project > > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu be1dc44b8692b798473781a73c1944b7 --daemon > > ./boinc: /lib/obsolete/linuxthreads/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not > > found (required by ./boinc) > > [seti@ziggy ~]$ > > There is a port devel/linuxthreads. An ldconfig -r |grep libc on an 8.1 > release system here returns: 0:-lc.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 > > Since the above error is complaining about an .so.6 version, I'm wondering > if you might need either/and/or the linuxthreads port installed in addition > to misc/compat6x. > > > Incidentally, the same exact i686 binary works just fine on my FBSD64-8.1 > > laptop ... so what gives? I don't remember seeing a readily available > > GLIBC solution in ports. > > A quick look at the ports version reveals it to be an older version than > described above. Listed as a dependency is glib-2.24.2. It would appear to > me that the newer version you are trying to run has been built against a > different, albeit older and out-of-date set of libraries. My guess is it > was > built against FreeBSD 6. > > I also believe if you were to install from ports it would be linking > against > pthread libs as opposed to the linuxthreads in the above error. Perhaps a > closer examination and comparison against the FBSD64-8.1 that runs may show > missing linuxthreads and compat6x? > > Just a wild guess on my part here. :-) > > -Mike > Wow, lots of info to digest there lol. To be honest, I just figured it was an artifact left over from a previous major version upgrade. This box did have fbsd-x86-6.x installed on it at once time, it started it's life with fbsd-x86-5.x and I immediately moved into the 6-branch to learn how to migrate major versions. I was also hoping it would be an easy fix :D. While I am a bit crafty, a lot of concepts are still new to me. Point me to what I should install, and I will happily install it if it will make it work. If it's deemed to be a lost cause ... then so be it and I just may embark on upgrading this box to fbsd-x86-8.1 and go from there. Could you simplify your wild guess into slightly more digestible terms :D Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:05:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD5A1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:05:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634038FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6F450894; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:05:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C5E43C334; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:05:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BCB3C31F; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:05:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:05:34 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'corky1951@comcast.net'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:05:33 -0600 Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? Thread-Index: AcuCxYpB58DaDwzxSB+zdAeYgtPodgAAPOA1 Message-ID: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:05:46 -0000 TGV0J3Mgc3RhcnQgYSB0aHJlYWQgbGlzdGluZyBkZWFkIGhvcnNlcyB0byBiZWF0Og0KDQpNJCB2 cyBOb3ZlbGwNCiJVbml4IiB2cyAiTGludXgiDQpNYWluZnJhbWUgdnMgIlBDIg0KREFTIHZzIFNB Tg0KVG9wLXBvc3RpbmcgdnMgQm90dG9tIHBvc3RpbmcNCkJsYWggYmxhaCBibGFoIHZzIFlhZGEg eWFkYSB5YWRhDQoNCi0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IG93bmVyLWZy ZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIDxvd25lci1mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVl YnNkLm9yZz4NClRvOiBmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZyA8ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVz dGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc+DQpTZW50OiBGcmkgTm92IDEyIDE3OjU3OjQ2IDIwMTAKU3ViamVj dDogUmU6IFdoeSBkbyB5b3UgdXNlIGEgZGV2aWwgYXMgYSBtYXNjb3Q/DQoNCk9uIEZyaSAxMiBO b3YgMjAxMCBhdCAxNTo0NDowMSBQU1QgQ2hyaXMgQnJlbm5hbiB3cm90ZToNCj5NdXN0IHdlIGNv bnRpbnVlIHRvIGJlYXQgdGhpcyBhbHJlYWR5IGRlYWQgaG9yc2U/DQoNCkFwcGFyZW50bHkgdGhl IGFuc3dlciBpcyB5ZXMsIHdoZW4gd2UncmUgbm90IGJlYXRpbmcgdGhlIGVxdWFsbHkNCmRlYWQg aG9yc2Ugb2YgdGhlIENMSSB2cyBHVUkgZGViYXRlLg0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQpodHRwOi8vbGlzdHMuZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9m cmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucw0KVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgYW55IG1haWwgdG8gImZyZWVi c2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIg0KCgoKCgo8Zm9udCBzaXplPSIx Ij4KPGRpdiBzdHlsZT0nYm9yZGVyOm5vbmU7Ym9yZGVyLWJvdHRvbTpkb3VibGUgd2luZG93dGV4 dCAyLjI1cHQ7cGFkZGluZzowaW4gMGluIDEuMHB0IDBpbic+CjwvZGl2PgoiVGhpcyBlbWFpbCBp cyBpbnRlbmRlZCB0byBiZSByZXZpZXdlZCBieSBvbmx5IHRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNpcGllbnQK IGFuZCBtYXkgY29udGFpbiBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiB0aGF0IGlzIHByaXZpbGVnZWQgYW5kL29yIGNv bmZpZGVudGlhbC4KIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgbm90IHRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNpcGllbnQsIHlvdSBh cmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5vdGlmaWVkIHRoYXQKIGFueSByZXZpZXcsIHVzZSwgZGlzc2VtaW5hdGlvbiwg ZGlzY2xvc3VyZSBvciBjb3B5aW5nIG9mIHRoaXMgZW1haWwKIGFuZCBpdHMgYXR0YWNobWVudHMs IGlmIGFueSwgaXMgc3RyaWN0bHkgcHJvaGliaXRlZC4gIElmIHlvdSBoYXZlCiByZWNlaXZlZCB0 aGlzIGVtYWlsIGluIGVycm9yLCBwbGVhc2UgaW1tZWRpYXRlbHkgbm90aWZ5IHRoZSBzZW5kZXIg YnkKIHJldHVybiBlbWFpbCBhbmQgZGVsZXRlIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgZnJvbSB5b3VyIHN5c3RlbS4i CjwvZm9udD4KCg== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:09:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509F51065694 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CBB8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2245513eyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.108.196 with SMTP id g4mr2712473ebp.31.1289606951822; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:09:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:08:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:14 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: > >> Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? >> > > Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally > dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. > > But that has turned into quite an interesting philosophical debate. No one is flamming anyone and everyone is contributing a little here and there to the CLU(TUI)/GUI debate. Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:11:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05011065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:11:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E46E8FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so687788ewy.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.29.68 with SMTP id p4mr3625177ebc.31.1289607075196; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:11:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:10:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:10:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "corky1951@comcast.net" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:11:17 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > > M$ vs Novell > "Unix" vs "Linux" > Mainframe vs "PC" > DAS vs SAN > Top-posting vs Bottom posting > Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada > > How ironic, I was just having this debate w/ a friend of mine off-list. (top-posting vs. bottom-posting that is). Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:15:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FE0106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AE78FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (mailhost.waddell.com [10.1.10.26]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0525550918; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from emlpfilt4.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id ECD65578826; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt4.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1523578816; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:01 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'xaero@xaerolimit.net'" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:15:00 -0600 Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? Thread-Index: AcuCx0qVcSACHcJTRAqAmVTXigppZgAAIT4D Message-ID: <4416_1289607300_4CDDD884_4416_78_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C61@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "'corky1951@comcast.net'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:15:01 -0000 Qm90dG9tIHBvc3RpbmcgaXMgYSBIVUdFIFBJVEEgb24gbW9iaWxlIGRldmljZXMsIHdoaWNoIEkg dXNlIGEgTE9ULiBCdXQsIGlmIHRvcCBwb3N0aW5nIGlzIHRoZSBydWxlIGFuZCB0aGUgYWNjZXB0 ZWQgd2F5LCB0aGVuIEkgR1VFU1MgSSdsbCBtYWtlIG1vcmUgZWZmb3J0IHRvIGF2b2lkIHRvcCBw b3N0aW5nLiBNYXliZSBhIG5ldyB5ZWFycyByZXNvbHV0aW9uPw0KDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KRnJvbTogQ2hyaXMgQnJlbm5hbiA8eGFlcm9AeGFlcm9saW1pdC5u ZXQ+DQpUbzogR2FyeSBHYXR0ZW4NCkNjOiBjb3JreTE5NTFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQgPGNvcmt5MTk1 MUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldD47IGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIDxmcmVlYnNkLXF1 ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZz4NClNlbnQ6IEZyaSBOb3YgMTIgMTg6MTA6NTUgMjAxMA0KU3Vi amVjdDogUmU6IFdoeSBkbyB5b3UgdXNlIGEgZGV2aWwgYXMgYSBtYXNjb3Q/DQoNCk9uIEZyaSwg Tm92IDEyLCAyMDEwIGF0IDc6MDUgUE0sIEdhcnkgR2F0dGVuIDxHZ2F0dGVuQHdhZGRlbGwuY29t PG1haWx0bzpHZ2F0dGVuQHdhZGRlbGwuY29tPj4gd3JvdGU6DQpMZXQncyBzdGFydCBhIHRocmVh ZCBsaXN0aW5nIGRlYWQgaG9yc2VzIHRvIGJlYXQ6DQoNCk0kIHZzIE5vdmVsbA0KIlVuaXgiIHZz ICJMaW51eCINCk1haW5mcmFtZSB2cyAiUEMiDQpEQVMgdnMgU0FODQpUb3AtcG9zdGluZyB2cyBC b3R0b20gcG9zdGluZw0KQmxhaCBibGFoIGJsYWggdnMgWWFkYSB5YWRhIHlhZGENCg0KDQpIb3cg aXJvbmljLCBJIHdhcyBqdXN0IGhhdmluZyB0aGlzIGRlYmF0ZSB3LyBhIGZyaWVuZCBvZiBtaW5l IG9mZi1saXN0LiAodG9wLXBvc3RpbmcgdnMuIGJvdHRvbS1wb3N0aW5nIHRoYXQgaXMpLg0KDQpE aWQgeW91IGtub3cuLi4NCklmIHlvdSBwbGF5IGEgV2luZG93cyAyMDAwIENEIGJhY2t3YXJkcywg eW91IGhlYXIgc2F0YW5pYyBtZXNzYWdlcywNCg0KDQpidXQgd2hhdCdzIHdvcnNlIGlzIHdoZW4g eW91IHBsYXkgaXQgZm9yd2FyZC4uLi4NCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgLi4uaXQgaW5zdGFsbHMgV2luZG93cyAyMDAwDQogICAtLSBBbGZyZWQgUGVybHN0ZWlu IG9uIGNoYXQgYXQgZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc8aHR0cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL21haWxtYW4v bGlzdGluZm8vZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM+DQoNCgoKCgoKPGZvbnQgc2l6ZT0iMSI+CjxkaXYg c3R5bGU9J2JvcmRlcjpub25lO2JvcmRlci1ib3R0b206ZG91YmxlIHdpbmRvd3RleHQgMi4yNXB0 O3BhZGRpbmc6MGluIDBpbiAxLjBwdCAwaW4nPgo8L2Rpdj4KIlRoaXMgZW1haWwgaXMgaW50ZW5k ZWQgdG8gYmUgcmV2aWV3ZWQgYnkgb25seSB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50CiBhbmQgbWF5 IGNvbnRhaW4gaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gdGhhdCBpcyBwcml2aWxlZ2VkIGFuZC9vciBjb25maWRlbnRp YWwuCiBJZiB5b3UgYXJlIG5vdCB0aGUgaW50ZW5kZWQgcmVjaXBpZW50LCB5b3UgYXJlIGhlcmVi eSBub3RpZmllZCB0aGF0CiBhbnkgcmV2aWV3LCB1c2UsIGRpc3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc2Nsb3N1 cmUgb3IgY29weWluZyBvZiB0aGlzIGVtYWlsCiBhbmQgaXRzIGF0dGFjaG1lbnRzLCBpZiBhbnks IGlzIHN0cmljdGx5IHByb2hpYml0ZWQuICBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZQogcmVjZWl2ZWQgdGhpcyBlbWFp bCBpbiBlcnJvciwgcGxlYXNlIGltbWVkaWF0ZWx5IG5vdGlmeSB0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGJ5CiByZXR1 cm4gZW1haWwgYW5kIGRlbGV0ZSB0aGlzIGVtYWlsIGZyb20geW91ciBzeXN0ZW0uIgo8L2ZvbnQ+ Cgo= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:18:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1FF106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED9A8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D3A1E1B3; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oAD0I3lN002731; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Charlie Kester Message-Id: <20101113011803.abd5b82c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:18:06 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: > >Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? > > Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally > dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. Why "vs"? It's "and". So let's have the "vs" vs "and" debate. And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to "vs" or "and"... or... yes, what about "or"? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:35:41 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A42B1065675 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4828FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WEm81f0050cQ2SLA5QNVLq; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:22:29 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WQNT1f00M1f6R9u8WQNUcE; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:22:29 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Message-ID: <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:41 -0000 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: >Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > >M$ vs Novell >"Unix" vs "Linux" >Mainframe vs "PC" >DAS vs SAN >Top-posting vs Bottom posting >Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada OK, I'll play: Gnome vs KDE Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) GPL vs BSDL C vs any other programming language From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:37:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181A1106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958CE8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so692548ewy.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.13.135 with SMTP id c7mr3584365eba.14.1289608666501; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.127.1 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [69.91.159.208] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:37:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:37:49 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Peter A. Giessel wrote= : > On 2010/11/12 at 10:33, rfarmer@predatorlabs.net (Rob Farmer) wrote: >> it is better for real/serious work, but the general public doesn't see >> it as new or valuable - its just a stupid change in the way everything >> has always been done. I'd say that's because for most people it offers no particular advantages in exchange for the work of learning it. Most people don't do unit conversions as frequently as scientists do, so the relative difficulty of converting from inches to miles instead of centimeters to kilometers doesn't affect them. Even countries that have ostensibly converted to SI on an official basis still have people using non-SI units on a day-to-day basis. Talk to someone from the UK and they'll probably give you their weight in stone and distances in miles. > It depends on what you mean by "real serious work". =A0Try ordering a > cubic meter of concrete or a #25 rebar in the U.S. and see how far you > get. The construction field offers a particular problem because so many standard items come in inch-based sizes. Who wants to mess around with asking for a 122 cm x 244 cm piece of plywood? 4x8 feet is so much easier. ;) On the other hand, manufacturing has largely switched over. Look at a modern American car and you'll find mostly metric fasteners. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:43:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8661065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29D08FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3E350966; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id E74043C331; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE223C329; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.151]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:53 -0600 From: Gary Gatten To: "'corky1951@comcast.net'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:43:52 -0600 Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? 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Schwartz) To: "'freebsd-questions\@freebsd.org'" References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.15.10; tzolkin = 1 Oc; haab = 3 Ceh Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800") Message-ID: <86bp5u59sj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:47:41 -0000 >>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Kester writes: Charlie> OK, I'll play: Charlie> Gnome vs KDE Charlie> Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) Charlie> GPL vs BSDL Charlie> C vs any other programming language Perl vs Readability :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:51:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE1D106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214B98FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2010 19:51:12 -0500 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id AOC34440; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:50:49 -0500 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2010 19:50:49 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19677.57576.406524.692473@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:50:48 -0500 To: Chris Brennan In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Jerrin , xSAPPYx , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh authentication error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:51:13 -0000 Chris Brennan writes: > > Check perms on /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys > > chmod 640 or 600, not 644 > > That's the permissions of my authorized_keys, I believe that's 0600, some > systems require a much more restrictive 0400 octal. > > -rwxr--r-- 1 chris chris 622B Jun 28 21:36 authorized_keys Um, I think that's 744. Whether the appropriate code cares .... Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 00:57:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3866F1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF2C8FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-222.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.222]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38901D921 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:57:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id oAD0vEgp003038 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:57:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:57:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20101113015714.4293e20b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <86bp5u59sj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> <86bp5u59sj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:17 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > >>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Kester writes: > > Charlie> OK, I'll play: > > Charlie> Gnome vs KDE > Charlie> Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) > Charlie> GPL vs BSDL > Charlie> C vs any other programming language > > Perl vs Readability > > :-) Man vs machine? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 01:04:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACE3106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE528FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WR1h1f0030cZkys59R4T21; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:04:27 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WR4R1f00J1f6R9u3WR4SKc; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:04:27 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:04:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:04:23 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113010423.GJ13998@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> <86bp5u59sj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86bp5u59sj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: Vim 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:04:28 -0000 On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:47:40 PST Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Kester writes: > >Charlie> OK, I'll play: > >Charlie> Gnome vs KDE >Charlie> Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) >Charlie> GPL vs BSDL >Charlie> C vs any other programming language > >Perl vs Readability Coming from you, Randal, that's delicious! Thanks for the laugh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 01:42:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11098106564A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:42:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward12.mail.yandex.net (forward12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986AA8FC14; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp14.mail.yandex.net (smtp14.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.192]) by forward12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9233A2210F28; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:42:50 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289612570; bh=VUbhdJQbUPjpRaC5lDVTJX1Zu7KfFINv+HfPQ3ZBXwM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=McMs403biMerRUoi4XRU49vWz3ylUzNs7XtFFjO9jZNZFNHmHiWXxiz8DEw7r/U2O ztOxS6zRjQsyxgsS3b+rhPD91YDnygCr2yX9xnPOwJaeHNCZr29PbMOyOodDS598K+ urjONJcJVdnJoOqayMi5t1c1+d+vqRGYil6LmYwg= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.42.230]) by smtp14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 4493D19B808C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:42:50 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:42:33 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5510442048.20101113034233@yandex.ru> To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289612570 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:42:53 -0000 Здравствуйте, Ivan. Вы писали 12 ноября 2010 г., 1:33:14: IV> On 11/11/10 20:20, Коньков Евгений wrote: >> Hi, all IV> "How to obtain what swi1:net is doing?" IV> The short answer is: depending on what your network card is, it could be IV> everything related to TCP/IP-level processing. IV> In your case, you are doing a lot of work in netgraph and dummynet, IV> probably shaping, but have high dummynet usage which probably means its IV> handling the lower level of network IO, probably with a high packet rate. IV> You might try including the following loader.conf tunables: IV> net.isr.direct_force=0 IV> net.isr.maxthreads=2 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 4 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 5 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device polling # cat /boot/loader.conf net.isr.maxthreads=2 maxthreads does not affected #uname -r 9.0-CURRENT IV> ... and report if it helps you. (but be careful: here you must measure IV> real-world performance not CPU usage!) >> last pid: 65736; load averages: 3.54, 4.46, 3.92 up 4+07:51:26 21:19:08 >> 215 processes: 8 running, 195 sleeping, 12 waiting >> CPU 0: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 42.9% system, 11.4% interrupt, 42.9% idle >> CPU 1: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 54.3% system, 17.1% interrupt, 28.6% idle >> CPU 2: 2.9% user, 0.0% nice, 57.1% system, 5.7% interrupt, 34.3% idle >> CPU 3: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 45.7% system, 17.1% interrupt, 37.1% idle >> Mem: 502M Active, 87M Inact, 324M Wired, 24M Cache, 112M Buf, 1053M Free >> Swap: 20G Total, 72K Used, 20G Free >> >> PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND >> 15 root -44 - 0K 8K CPU1 3 31.4H 71.39% swi1: net >> 35 root -68 - 0K 8K CPU0 0 21.7H 50.20% dummynet >> 14 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 0 74.8H 42.87% idle: cpu0 >> 11 root 171 ki31 0K 8K CPU3 3 78.4H 31.79% idle: cpu3 >> 13 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 1 80.3H 29.69% idle: cpu1 >> 12 root 171 ki31 0K 8K RUN 2 76.9H 23.49% idle: cpu2 >> 1698 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 312:30 15.38% ng_queue0 >> 1700 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 3 313:02 15.09% ng_queue2 >> 1699 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 2 314:18 14.89% ng_queue1 >> 1701 root -68 - 0K 8K sleep 1 312:54 14.06% ng_queue3 >> 63829 www 50 0 185M 123M select 0 0:47 4.05% httpd >> 59213 root 96 0 400M 61940K CPU3 2 32:24 2.98% rtorrent >> 16 root -32 - 0K 8K WAIT 2 129:41 0.39% swi4: clock sio IV> _______________________________________________ IV> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list IV> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions IV> To unsubscribe, send any mail to IV> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- С уважением, Коньков mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 01:56:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E101065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09AEC8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14357 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 01:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 01:56:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=liZiu5v5Vp1I+gz/T6fG9iN18g7WT3cUYmP/rBEjuAwaQ+0m4PfUzHGWM1+l/4Ct9DlcMK0l3GMgcUTxfMBg8ZmcaRiosfylb4Pg6H4MUcbsFgq2UKozYuRO9pvc3FT4; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH5Ln-0000MU-2l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:56:20 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:50:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:50:07 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:56:22 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:44:01PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: >=20 > I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from > the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the > dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat > this already dead horse? What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to subject a living creature to such cruelty. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzd7s8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVNRACgsXayErQW5Go9ufqSVpywQr8J 5qUAoJ1Y/qpJtUD+yRVKGfl3TwbVlHSM =+zrJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 02:16:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DF91065679 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D417D8FC23 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F54E7226; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:22 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:16:35 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 Chris Brennan wrote: > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 Yes, I think we know that by now. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 02:27:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5921065808 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417238FC1D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3645171bwz.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:27:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CJkyUlSw4WWtlkeRZGqce1mVpHw7FgkhI1VYjwpWuvw=; b=HS1k6WbFtzP49fxI8+MqT/tH0uW515mwJFz3SOOeO5RoGQaKjvuBdGjTFA7Oe1Zj88 G+yudqWbquZWBTWaqR5cDyYP5EiLLjJKsgxSOlYBElFIE00TbHgSuX/UwC5ufVGRbYTt Tqe3xSWp7rsH+ZXLaJP4FMKFJdNMZkoqEmDTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Vd8zRQeZ202ALSzW3PyG1oyp14ROrJaa5FzqdIJFBXbtp0681FcZ4hq7HqGf4QvPJr VY6whfZcogy4qr7BWAs/DozRzzYkddsYw/e53xIUrIemkjspgetROFxLjUF++PiUaTqO vxcqDNJXJ01PILnQzFqV0986tWNoX6B5E9wSE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.50.210 with SMTP id a18mr3503183bkg.166.1289615262498; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.101.197 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:27:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:57:42 +0530 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: Bruce Cran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chris Brennan Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:44 -0000 i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 > Chris Brennan wrote: > >> Did you know... >> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, >> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 ...it installs Windows 2000 > > Yes, I think we know that by now. > > -- > Bruce Cran > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 Best=A0 Regards, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 03:29:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61383106566B; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:29:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@pcbsd.org) Received: from que21.charter.net (que21.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BC98FC0A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20101113030931.EYAM4123.mta11.charter.net@imp10>; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:31 -0500 Received: from moorefam.homeunix.org ([96.38.85.215]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id WT9W1f0054elNjk05T9WDh; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:31 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=w2b0zq1-BLkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=5-53UvGwAAAA:8 a=OfTdGeCWB8lyK5gGdogA:9 a=Smf42ZUPJcS8hhAeIOrqES8BcDUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: by moorefam.homeunix.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:30 -0500 From: Kris Moore To: Ivan Klymenko Message-ID: <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:29:16 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > Hello! People. > > I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > 9.0-CURRENT r215176 > When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: > http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ > but when trying to create a section displays the following error: > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? > > Thanks! The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? -- Kris Moore PC-BSD Software From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 04:29:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AD01065670; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67AD8FC08; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so672540wwj.31 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:29:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Im59eNuMwB7WelfiHNvsllFKflo2H5+4S1mDeLsCAWg=; b=cMFvEmIdL7BIpfFK2YtSFHvBRo2qXwOedZdqkauvNvfh8sV7mkN/DsQoX5I2pQfSdX JelGMfhm4NnyhdgnD5JXPtzkMwZUJq3aDe/opxIm/ujVLV+EcLQvKpvgx8GFYiBDRmJ3 KN7HMow2DhBgHU7KDefyLcxIXdhO3ws/3HZDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ANIr8kr7oWWXlzW5w0ztcrpmlO8A7fEx8WhCZ89/L7pwUGgFXIrE5pW334VX3cZtfL GlrMJwxk+eoQhU8rVxc2IvsVxFMkXUYHJRmovOXG5csZ+cSwiZ8GH056d7Gg1vuBq0YA JVdOpelNxft0Mm8VKN4z+W1AmXlFD+euQqb8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.7.210 with SMTP id 60mr4667801wep.30.1289620928241; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:08 -0800 (PST) Sender: yanegomi@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.198.27 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:08 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: enDPpjT_PgRgUyuPG9szXw2-J4Q Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Kris Moore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Ivan Klymenko , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 04:29:47 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Kris Moore wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: >> Hello! People. >> >> I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD >> 9.0-CURRENT r215176 >> When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: >> http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ >> but when trying to create a section displays the following error: >> http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ >> Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? >> >> Thanks! > > The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? According to the gpart(8) manpage, the invocation is correct. It'd be interesting to see what the log displayed yields, but before then have you tried kern.geom.debugflags=16? I did a quick scan of lib/libgeom and sys/geom, and all of the places (minus one) that returned EINVAL were due to incorrect sector size. What are you using for your disk? Thanks, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 05:52:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBBE106564A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bu7cher@yandex.ru) Received: from forward13.mail.yandex.net (forward13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA578FC12; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp14.mail.yandex.net (smtp14.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.192]) by forward13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DBF971080220; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:45:04 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289627104; bh=12LksOQgiHueDCxV/XLmdy0xip0gQN0ayFs+yzU7bxY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=k1Ey4Fdc6D1EDOhDCRymtC7q50eSP0L5MC/9l3jZMP9U7sOken6+NIcgzxzAHwfwE 2EBBuJWXxpuT4ehDZlrTnpR7X7AE9tvDlklcToHq2bSDzwM7cxNDampFX+gF/BY8ER 4UV9YI+zXJBEtBelIAxrhOUT2TiU2jpjekXkpb18= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.kirov.so-cdu.ru [77.72.136.145]) by smtp14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 74EEE19B808C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:45:04 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:45:02 +0300 From: "Andrey V. Elsukov" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 (FreeBSD/20051231) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7487ADCCAE783561A5B36958" X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289627104 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp14.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:52:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7487ADCCAE783561A5B36958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > 9.0-CURRENT r215176 Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? --=20 WBR, Andrey V. 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Elsukov" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 (FreeBSD/20051231) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEF7ECCA3CD6E9D8F2B2C1D23" X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289626702 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp3.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:54:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEF7ECCA3CD6E9D8F2B2C1D23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a problem? This was temporary regression and it is fixed now in r215118. In any case it is harmless. --=20 WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov --------------enigEF7ECCA3CD6E9D8F2B2C1D23 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3iRMAAoJEAHF6gQQyKF6XZYH/j4pKqkCb9yjrcZVljo/6ETT EWBp1VOjFexlukoXo/YOLp3PhBPNdwoFUPoCcqoON6x4m5r9ZR/odpfBH/5r4Vbk DHpILLudPEngfEZNbfJi95f1SvBlZDJQA/qsi6U9ytmJpcRd2rXdcBK7MuJrlvaJ yg0J63I+e7sRNC6FD3fiGKsgTIS0djJhX9kUekl47FEM9mCeZ5E726aaM8AKXBZv UCiG+S/bFwfMfP8Z2/g5WhE0JVOQhwVmc+MO8qA7046m7cnMx02y1wiqQyYtjHza qAVbKDjfRW/nFJ/ajZx76rY8/NpdXi+l70MVRwAe+oH5pzUDR3LWprAfCugLkLs= =Dypt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEF7ECCA3CD6E9D8F2B2C1D23-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 06:07:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D105A1065674 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B208FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so738887ewy.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr2895038ebg.44.1289628437153; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:06:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:07:19 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 06:44:01PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > > > > I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed > from > > the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the > > dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to > beat > > this already dead horse? > > What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to > subject a living creature to such cruelty. > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > Is beating a dead horse no more cruel? Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 06:08:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EAE1065674 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A4F8FC15 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2296976eyb.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.147 with SMTP id t19mr2924626ebo.5.1289628502239; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:08:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:08:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: Bruce Cran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:08:24 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 > Chris Brennan wrote: > > > Did you know... > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > Yes, I think we know that by now. > > -- > Bruce Cran > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig to the list..... Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 06:35:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D15106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryan.coleman@cwis.biz) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B504B8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D772625C0B; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:13 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mfrOLFYf5ZNX; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (c-71-194-164-84.hsd1.in.comcast.net [71.194.164.84]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 609D12625C0A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:35:11 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:35:08 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87500013-DE53-4EB6-A471-EC8E109D0C0F@cwis.biz> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> To: Chris Brennan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:35:15 -0000 On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: >=20 >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 >> Chris Brennan wrote: >>=20 >>> Did you know... >>> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, >>> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >>> ...it installs Windows 2000 >>=20 >> Yes, I think we know that by now. >>=20 >> -- >> Bruce Cran >>=20 >=20 > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my = sig to > the list..... And my friends all got a kick out of it when I shared it. Not all are = FreeBSD fans but all hate Windows 2K the same :)= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 07:17:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584271065679 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E3F8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E51E7226; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:37 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20101113071737.00007c00@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.4cvs1 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:17:25 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500 Chris Brennan wrote: > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my > sig to the list..... > > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > The problem is that it's part of the main block of text and as such is rather offputting. If you want it to be your signature it should be separated from the main block of text somehow - preferably by the signature separator ("-- " followed by a newline). -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 07:34:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632B3106564A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E27C8FC08; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHAce-000NlE-My ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:34:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:34:03 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" Message-ID: <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:34:06 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:45:02 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > > 9.0-CURRENT r215176 >=20 > Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? >=20 no doubt! :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 07:35:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B801065672; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA568FC1E; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHAdn-000O08-3V ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:35:15 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:35:14 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Kris Moore Message-ID: <20101113093514.52344f03@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:35:17 -0000 =D0=92 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:30 -0500 Kris Moore =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > Hello! People. > >=20 > > I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > > 9.0-CURRENT r215176 > > When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: > > http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ > > but when trying to create a section displays the following error: > > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a > > problem? > >=20 > > Thanks! >=20 > The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in > your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? > Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? >=20 Thank you! Now try to recreate the virtual disk ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 07:55:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A546D106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liontaur@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8C98FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3759642bwz.13 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:55:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nw/riEKgTjGvMeCUACEF6QXF5JzD7CkQvUB6mKN48J0=; b=jiI4YXu6O2no3iB32KdyWqT0ZknG9iBVpfxKwNju0cyM+efB7khOzwDvicec5Yq2b2 BQLna8djrJ/177gOZNOFp+84uHQYGS/3laIXBGkHC9JzOvesyXmVJETLMW76Ale+pMWS hDPzbbX6YCgftvG9o0lsSIjK6AimREaclL+Z0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UMNDfhbcgeVthF41a1TtYmllC73DS5CuR7uJIW7lYlRvth8xQzx4CnAz1m8JGEQiLY jZuGi4eYj5f8FBnRkvDUzJZJzM1EP9GCnMfyRYQK7mphQuKNUopivVbkr9vcOqY5lTTs 020XI2n3OUh1KJEBVikFOnr1UUNbTuMpNv5Io= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.114.69 with SMTP id d5mr3669118bkq.22.1289634923065; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.4.196 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:55:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:55:22 -0800 Message-ID: From: Liontaur To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:55:24 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > > M$ vs Novell > "Unix" vs "Linux" > Mainframe vs "PC" > DAS vs SAN > Top-posting vs Bottom posting > Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 07:57:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8F91065695 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D69F78FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23021 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 07:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 07:57:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gDl5P/MLLdOwyEnX7ZuP/Hu2WF7vpD7OIL8pVLvMKvDgQwITgBIvRUWdLv0NrWZcuJzIgeuid2jmlr/+rH8xEvujfoISqz2WUwz4IrV/j98kenqWlH6rXlgelqCyJIGp; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHAzP-0007za-RC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:57:37 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:51:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:51:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: <20101113075123.GA42711@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: Free BSD Questions list References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:57:38 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to > > subject a living creature to such cruelty. >=20 > Is beating a dead horse no more cruel? Do dead horses have feelings? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzeQ3sACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXw/ACg+yOrkZfVTjY5qi9rZN4cGXfG ZIcAn0b29rJM/e6mAJtoNxJ8PBhfWvqO =VhwJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:00:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21A51065672; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCCB8FC15; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHB2O-0001sw-Q3 ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:00:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:00:39 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Ivan Klymenko Message-ID: <20101113100039.04772f02@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113093514.52344f03@ukr.net> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> <20101113093514.52344f03@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore , Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:00:42 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:35:14 +0200 Ivan Klymenko =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > =D0=92 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:09:30 -0500 > Kris Moore =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > > Hello! People. > > >=20 > > > I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > > > 9.0-CURRENT r215176 > > > When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: > > > http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ > > > but when trying to create a section displays the following error: > > > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > > > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a > > > problem? > > >=20 > > > Thanks! > >=20 > > The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in > > your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? > > Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? > >=20 >=20 > Thank you! > Now try to recreate the virtual disk ... But it did not help avoid the problem :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:01:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764F3106564A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bu7cher@yandex.ru) Received: from forward3.mail.yandex.net (forward3.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1888FC21; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.mail.yandex.net (smtp3.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.103]) by forward3.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4095856D9436; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:01:41 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289635301; bh=2trJ2d+oIsgxIxO+LXGQJ4zsOEj53Rp1GqKK+EpmZdc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=NgJ8WnLReOBYd5BYSgjC6gvY24thsIzL6yr0ElIRMI/wX4dAu4WO0kFwW4fNGVxPh zWbzWCW9lLJTsuECs7erUSUrbtjIxIPcXZu2835fzfehpEfJN05yatDATi35yKNp5V GahE4Tz98Y2k7LsJBvk71YObgqB/wTlwgdQuIAiA= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.kirov.so-cdu.ru [77.72.136.145]) by smtp3.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPSA id CC21F278093; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:01:40 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:01:36 +0300 From: "Andrey V. Elsukov" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 (FreeBSD/20051231) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig467C4B3A49BCF154135489B0" X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289635301 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp3.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:01:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig467C4B3A49BCF154135489B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.11.2010 10:34, Ivan Klymenko wrote: >> Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? >> >=20 > no doubt! :) Do you use custom ISO image? Can you mount it and show output of command: # ident /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols | grep g_part.c --=20 WBR, Andrey V. Elsukov --------------enig467C4B3A49BCF154135489B0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3kXjAAoJEAHF6gQQyKF6vrgH/1yH4fKbnqF2GUGKDLEA6CY4 pC0IAQcijzVI0DfV4UlVqWGYLwRcz8XkcRTnJuqC5Cfq0lVqnIhWiZUp+ATcODZY FkAMgqEArDPqAk7a38g2K9AcBL/PY1z5hOH/bh2PBat1pRHYG7hFn7vMOUDhOhP0 Vlh5067iFDhTY5ubmk8m4KGodXXMfV6i263u0Y8uHu/Ou+tqhrEyEeIpQMMdU09J BZ1oLBde/eA+0iZu+3MIe4UGvRK9eDktEpVqHfwZep9OWSlI2jU7LRfpoX7V9XS2 WPgMD1V4q6G4HOCry7P5MgeYne2nhomah+9kx3B+Nw2M87c/HJP1SWf0kt4KjCA= =mrWS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig467C4B3A49BCF154135489B0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:05:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DD01065675 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC8D8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so753406ewy.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.22.67 with SMTP id m3mr1583654ebb.18.1289635505364; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:05:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:04:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87500013-DE53-4EB6-A471-EC8E109D0C0F@cwis.biz> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <87500013-DE53-4EB6-A471-EC8E109D0C0F@cwis.biz> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ryan Coleman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:05:09 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Cran wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:08:51 -0500 > >> Chris Brennan wrote: > >> > >>> Did you know... > >>> If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > >>> but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > >>> ...it installs Windows 2000 > >> > >> Yes, I think we know that by now. > >> > >> -- > >> Bruce Cran > >> > > > > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my sig > to > > the list..... > > And my friends all got a kick out of it when I shared it. Not all are > FreeBSD fans but all hate Windows 2K the same :) I'm glad it amused them, as that is it's purpose. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:07:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DEE10656A3 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492DE8FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so754177ewy.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.20.81 with SMTP id e17mr2976922ebb.18.1289635649540; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:07:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:07:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113071737.00007c00@unknown> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <20101113071737.00007c00@unknown> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: To: Bruce Cran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:32 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:08:02 -0500 > Chris Brennan wrote: > > > It's part of my signature.... it's not like I am spamming *just* my > > sig to the list..... > > > > Did you know... > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > > ...it installs Windows 2000 > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > > > > > The problem is that it's part of the main block of text and as such is > rather offputting. If you want it to be your signature it should be > separated from the main block of text somehow - preferably by the > signature separator ("-- " followed by a newline). > > -- > Bruce Cran > Ya know, I have it there, but for some reason, GMail/Google Apps Keeps omitting it, I've resorted to manually putting it in when I move my sig from the the top of the message body. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:09:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339D71065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0348FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so2312154eyb.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr2958950ebg.44.1289635776468; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:09:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113075123.GA42711@guilt.hydra> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> <20101113075123.GA42711@guilt.hydra> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 03:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: To: Free BSD Questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:09:38 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:06:55AM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Chad Perrin > wrote: > > > > > > What would you have me do -- beat a live horse? I'm not inclined to > > > subject a living creature to such cruelty. > > > > Is beating a dead horse no more cruel? > > Do dead horses have feelings? > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > I would imagine not, but the spirit of the dead horse might. And it would suck if that spirit were to come back as an ugly 8ft fly-thing with a really bad attitude and a grudge. Poor Aurthur...Just can't catch a break! -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:10:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AE310656C1; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDBA8FC22; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHBBx-0003Xs-AG ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:10:33 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:10:32 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20101113101032.04382096@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <20101113030930.GB57734@pcbsd.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore , Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:10:34 -0000 =D0=92 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:02:08 -0800 Garrett Cooper =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Kris Moore wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > >> Hello! People. > >> > >> I use the alternate installer pc-sysinstall based on FreeBSD > >> 9.0-CURRENT r215176 > >> When you load the virtual machine qemu disk ad0 is determined by: > >> http://img573.imageshack.us/i/qemu1.png/ > >> but when trying to create a section displays the following error: > >> http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > >> Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a > >> problem? > >> > >> Thanks! > > > > The gpart syntax looks correct, and ad0 is being used elsewhere in > > your install process successfully. Is this a fresh disk / image? > > Perhaps something has broken in the gpart command? >=20 > According to the gpart(8) manpage, the invocation is correct. It'd > be interesting to see what the log displayed yields, but before then > have you tried kern.geom.debugflags=3D16?=20 no. after booting the system immediately executed script pc-sysinstall now try to force the kern.geom.debugflags =3D 16 before running pc-sysinstall > I did a quick scan of > lib/libgeom and sys/geom, and all of the places (minus one) that > returned EINVAL were due to incorrect sector size. What are you using > for your disk? >=20 > Thanks, > -Garrett I'm afraid I do not quite understand the essence last question ... : ( I created a virtual disk command: qemu-img create name_disk.img 40G All the breakdown of disk partitions running script pc-sysinstall in accordance with my config file pcinstall.cfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:25:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238D010656B1; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16378FC2D; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 62-64-132-95.pool.ukrtel.net ([95.132.64.62] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHBQ4-0005l2-L9 ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:25:08 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:25:07 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" Message-ID: <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:25:11 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:01:36 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 13.11.2010 10:34, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > >> Hmm, are you sure that your kernel is based on r215176? > >> > >=20 > > no doubt! :) >=20 > Do you use custom ISO image? yes. > Can you mount it and show > output of command: > # ident /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols | grep g_part.c >=20 Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or directory because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the iso image... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:34:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C60106566C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:34:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bu7cher@yandex.ru) Received: from forward2.mail.yandex.net (forward2.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D148FC17; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.mail.yandex.net (smtp4.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.104]) by forward2.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id BCB7F38A80DB; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:17 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289637257; bh=G6ieXzyvKfBcn0MNEn95Y2ERYHJA3kefcSvKZsZOs/Q=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=MIb40QrF0kB636V5+PB94YDfj/agpdhdowys3z7jZNQ3mOpXE4TTZqgZRIAEFvscK eiLzRZPfAJh5itGQj3W4YawGguu4su7mwieEeZr8YdfrYYmq7pdOh+9gL3p0UFgxBB pkeOvwwqiS5Dd6zCC6v+krd4Cw109ZYPn3L604BI= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.kirov.so-cdu.ru [77.72.136.145]) by smtp4.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 539F21280AE; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:17 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4CDE4D84.6060107@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:12 +0300 From: "Andrey V. Elsukov" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 (FreeBSD/20051231) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDAB19A430AA08D68E7646B8D" X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289637257 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp4.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:34:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDAB19A430AA08D68E7646B8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.11.2010 11:25, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt > ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or directory= > because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the iso image... So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh sources. --=20 WBR, Andrey V. 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Elsukov" Message-ID: <20101113104001.592ea436@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4CDE4D84.6060107@yandex.ru> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> <4CDE4D84.6060107@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:40:04 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:12 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 13.11.2010 11:25, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > Once mounted iso image of my drive to /mnt > > ident error: /mnt/boot/kernel/kernel.symbols: No such file or > > directory because this file (kernel.symbols) is really not in the > > iso image... >=20 > So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use > older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh > sources. >=20 well ... but it will take a little time ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 08:49:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FDB106567A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bu7cher@yandex.ru) Received: from forward15.mail.yandex.net (forward15.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BE98FC18; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp12.mail.yandex.net (smtp12.mail.yandex.net [95.108.131.191]) by forward15.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3DA8D44585E2; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:49:34 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289638174; bh=uju4CxTJmKzo2QX/8BnDf7nraXc1eHifCf96b3/lDKs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=UhhVKBRyoc459+3JItz39Mbq5NtU1Kz/ISRXLHxNOApATNQCkMspwQNv9F2yShRWm aI7kF3SicHrHkN7VoJGvmcFatBSzjAkyRt5Zxrh5j3QI16VMBochzlz1q9btzBBtXd 57mF8/t4y3UAK5ZyWniYnORwIrDiuhCE7FF1xsVE= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.kirov.so-cdu.ru [77.72.136.145]) by smtp12.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPSA id C3E4F13E809B; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:49:33 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4CDE5119.5060602@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:49:29 +0300 From: "Andrey V. Elsukov" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5 (FreeBSD/20051231) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> <4CDE4D84.6060107@yandex.ru> <20101113104001.592ea436@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113104001.592ea436@ukr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7407E82C94EDA1FE70AFA26B" X-Yandex-TimeMark: 1289638174 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 X-Yandex-Front: smtp12.mail.yandex.net Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:49:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7407E82C94EDA1FE70AFA26B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.11.2010 11:40, Ivan Klymenko wrote: >> So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use >> older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh >> sources. >> >=20 > well ... > but it will take a little time ... Just a note - as you may see from tinderbox's emails at the moment building of fresh current is broken :) --=20 WBR, Andrey V. 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Elsukov" Message-ID: <20101113105410.16eb685f@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4CDE5119.5060602@yandex.ru> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE25DE.9060403@yandex.ru> <20101113093403.7d95899a@ukr.net> <4CDE45E0.8040205@yandex.ru> <20101113102507.5ac13b04@ukr.net> <4CDE4D84.6060107@yandex.ru> <20101113104001.592ea436@ukr.net> <4CDE5119.5060602@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:54:13 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:49:29 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 13.11.2010 11:40, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > >> So, I can not reproduce this error. And I still think that you use > >> older revision and you should rebuild your ISO image with fresh > >> sources. > >> > >=20 > > well ... > > but it will take a little time ... >=20 > Just a note - as you may see from tinderbox's emails at the moment > building of fresh current is broken :) >=20 Thanks! I saw it - watch for the mailing too ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 09:03:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01022106564A; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6FF8FC1C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 253-99-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net ([94.179.99.253] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHC0j-000BUi-B4 ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:03:01 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:03:00 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: "Andrey V. Elsukov" Message-ID: <20101113110300.1bb0909b@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4CDE2448.7050905@yandex.ru> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE2448.7050905@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:03:03 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:38:16 +0300 "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a > > problem? >=20 > This was temporary regression and it is fixed now in r215118. > In any case it is harmless. >=20 I am ashamed ... :( You were right! I have an ISO audit r215110 ... Is the current system on a PC r215176 now try to rebuild the ISO it From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 10:29:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E12C1065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:29:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269288FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so1846819ywa.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.42.3 with SMTP id u3mr5587106ybj.294.1289644149454; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm3052417yha.31.2010.11.13.02.29.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A6E3E5487D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:29:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 05:28:56 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101113052856.12127042@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101113015007.GA41555@guilt.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/AO+/GhSXvYtogRYfqUp7qi9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:29:10 -0000 --Sig_/AO+/GhSXvYtogRYfqUp7qi9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:06:55 -0500 Chris Brennan articulated: > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >=20 > ...it installs Windows 2000 > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I am now creating a kill filter for this poster. If he isn't smart enough to figure out how to properly enter his factually incorrect, obsolete and well worn codicil to every message correctly; i.e, after the "sig-delimiter", then I have not the time not inclination to read his dribble. Attention Chris Brennan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block http://email.about.com/od/emailsignaturenetiquette/qt/Use_the_Standard_Emai= l_Signature_Delimiter.htm --=20 Jerry =E2=9C=8C FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ --Sig_/AO+/GhSXvYtogRYfqUp7qi9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3mhyAAoJEHdwsA8xwKhFuccH/RRhl+3NOfWJ6TVkkpJdXzCl kIzeYug3BGVh5ISlm5l0GUDVTFri+PIDkDkrj6Ny4Y8sGGtQDr87W6ygoPtefD4G 4a5hW6C8i8C3aAkuGwgLAwhe1+YB3zeo0nNNIpYPIxX1rmKYswxb6J8RNL1k6zM3 gXMjvIrfqrKgOY04l7FdknHaOdEVXspw8ufMJaAUTxusp+BZL/L1MDdXHHRPlb7f uiRJEtUQTTqFHM4oH2KPqHG1/ZJwiLrUif8INJJ7qLbJnIyAnaXKujHdENnHHgxC w4KZHDVdwzA/gB/s8A2JUarMI/a7eCsVqHgobJMRZA4MBi+R+a4TVwzTom1vLaU= =lPPI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AO+/GhSXvYtogRYfqUp7qi9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 10:58:39 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884D01065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132EF8FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so3826299bwz.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:58:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6enegMF9dfHiXUtw0AkRSmMw3SZZkkunavMMn9Ocwbs=; b=ch39boYfpi2TocLRCsoWKuQtglfrMdh8TOCFx4Mr7rSPl9BOusW35aMtGBNgOpwCKl qH0uful/w4iRuGxuw44p4Sj8RdaoBsVkbTpKKYWnWq4fcFBKmfnxwxKjQDwu+6TRVLpa YYX+iAJq3S4V3u+KKfbrlmVQQa1CKRGwnbwrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e+lDS3dxiq0t/TuYSLtF1TFU0Mv6roK1IC/JRLk8kq3A7pS6QlpJ6a08iO+VY5S1+J ZIdLoZteuMfei08r60KuLVLRQ8MklUP+UJgtLKw1YXux/IgG4kgXtRQn0jI+FK7tcEtl Zw7H7Udbm36jxWofKIH1TMurGhnUnxfsqI338= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.60.212 with SMTP id q20mr3916419bkh.104.1289645917889; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.98.195 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:58:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:58:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: David DEMELIER To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Silveira?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:58:39 -0000 2010/11/12 Jos=C3=A9 Silveira : > Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > For me it is nonsense... It makes Christians, Jwishes and Muslins run awa= y! > > Jos=C3=A9 Silveira > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > I never thought this kind of mail could spawn 70 answers in only two days. It takes useless storage for nothing. You are wasting your time answering this imho :-). --=20 Demelier David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 13:57:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D85C106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1328FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oADDvDtr089660; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:57:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oADDvD4O089657; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:57:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:57:13 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Tom Worster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:57:17 -0000 > different Windowses they offer. > > But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. > > Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: > > http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact > > > A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 > bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. > the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in Poland which is said to have poor connectivity From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 13:58:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93151065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A78FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oADDw3iF089705; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oADDw3kw089702; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Marcin_Dara=BF?= Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:58:05 -0000 nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. > I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as i'm > having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with messages about > disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. > > i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. > > to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE JMB363 based > too! > > on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. > > THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. > pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. > > But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. > tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just waits 15 > seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. > > Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. > > > How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on that > chips? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:02:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA24A106566B; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm1.ukr.net (fsm1.ukr.net [195.214.192.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B7E8FC0C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 253-99-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net ([94.179.99.253] helo=localhost) by fsm1.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1PHGga-0006i3-5y ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:02:32 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:02:30 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Ivan Klymenko Message-ID: <20101113160230.08838c9b@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20101113110300.1bb0909b@ukr.net> References: <20101112204700.0f51550b@ukr.net> <4CDE2448.7050905@yandex.ru> <20101113110300.1bb0909b@ukr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Andrey V. Elsukov" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Kris Moore , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error 1: gpart create -s GPT ad0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:02:33 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:03:00 +0200 Ivan Klymenko =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > =D0=92 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:38:16 +0300 > "Andrey V. Elsukov" =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >=20 > > On 12.11.2010 21:47, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > > > http://img80.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ > > > Think all options for gpart are correct - what can there be a > > > problem? > >=20 > > This was temporary regression and it is fixed now in r215118. > > In any case it is harmless. > >=20 >=20 > I am ashamed ... :( > You were right! > I have an ISO audit r215110 ... >=20 > Is the current system on a PC r215176 >=20 > now try to rebuild the ISO it I rebuild the ISO image based on r215176 and gpart did not return an error. Thank you all! Topic can be closed. :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:05:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99351065679 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D348FC1E for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D969E7216; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-82-26-212-122.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com [82.26.212.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:37 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20101113140537.000000fc@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD , Tom Worster Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:05:50 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:57:13 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. > i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable=20 > network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in=20 > Poland which is said to have poor connectivity It's not necessarily ideal due to cost and power usage: VMs are substantially cheaper and utilise the host machine a lot more efficiently. For example with the company I use, a dedicated server costs =A360 per month to host whereas a VM is just =A315. Hosting on a DSL line is out of the question due to both latency and reliability. --=20 Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:36:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B83106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845198FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so985688wwj.31 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:36:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wWxNo250Ko5QBXKlpSiqUDKLzWg+849BujHitr7Nq6M=; b=GFGp1+S8pUoy7MmMgKNvHSQc984jxGIwM8onjpPlE7YiYc23ABZNF5J8cxFNCB666A qEVwtR+4nAXPP+24BW+WQAw5F2nh+MiRjX7NV3T6q3QlKFr1U5Se3f8EkNuIMd9bL5Hx 16GD8F9HioXbyymt2T3Fta8mWZu8So//YuN1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uuACEw7ISmiMTkJj8fPit22PQpu55SIzIjtA6IXfxYI9BQHkoc/813lBF3iVDvWHkZ lt06toy0XpOFXMGOovZxlh944Vr4TwOrPsD81mFbYgWuf7R/eWUxqCINqBsPCArWo0Ja psqii3fLC5eFQRmVhl627Cjqgu04KbM6+zTNo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.38.71 with SMTP id z49mr4657923wea.76.1289658564732; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.64.134 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:29:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:29:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Tom Worster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:36:35 -0000 Also you can make an official vote for freebsd at http://feedback.rackspacecloud.com/forums/71021-product-feedback and then search for freebsd On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them > (the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) > and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them > we would like to switch if they offered the option > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster wrote: >> I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if the= y >> were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and = 5 >> different Windowses they offer. >> >> But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. >> >> Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: >> >> =A0http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact >> >> >> A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 >> bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:49:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDAC1065697 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1188FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oADEnpXs064158; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:49:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oADEno3r064153; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:49:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Leon_Me=DFner?= In-Reply-To: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <20101112162003.GA8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:49:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster comparing everything. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:49:52 -0000 On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Leon Me?ner wrote: > Hi, > > is there a trick besides using the rcs funktion of mergemaster to get > around having to look at every file in /etc for comparison? > I know there once was a bug in mergemaster but it's closed for a long > time now. > > Example: > > *** Displaying differences between ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar > and installed version: > > --- /etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar 2010-07-29 12:54:42.000000000 > +0200 > +++ ./etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar 2010-11-12 17:06:33.000000000 > +0100 > @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ > #!/bin/sh > # > -# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1.4.1 > 2010/06/14 02:09:06 kensmith Exp $ > +# $FreeBSD: src/etc/periodic/daily/300.calendar,v 1.5.36.1 2009/08/03 > 08:13:06 kensmith Exp $ > # > # `calendar -a' needs to die. Why? Because it's a bad idea, particular > # with networked home directories, but also in general. If you want > # the > > 90% of the differences are just in this cvs? tag lines. This is an > upgrade from 8.1 to -STABLE. > > Greetings, > Leon Check out the man page version 8 with FBSD there are many options. I tossed a script I wrote in favor of the following in /etc/mergemaster.rc: # Automatically install files that do not exist AUTO_INSTALL='yes' # Automatically upgrade files that have not been edited AUTO_UPGRADE='yes' # Ignore files that I don't want changed #IGNORE_FILES='/etc/motd' # Do not display changes that only affect whitespace #DIFF_FLAG="'.Bub'" # Ignore CVS id lines to stop replacing files where only that line has changed DIFF_OPTIONS='-I$FreeBSD:.*[$]' With apologizes to whoever first posted this, I did not save the name. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:50:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB776106567A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C968FC21 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so995135wwj.31 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:50:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x6KbDbLjeGaHWaC4WDn3Fbu0MWoGtQ226pdeUeDNnVI=; b=mMhJ0fOWacl3Dqzsk2FzxCN+h3y3nVdTIKVSI7aKarLy8j+l5PUuRNIDtKJy1r4XUo jc14ahzr8lmLxjIGfxGuZbNvzq11WJBy0L6V7s2M+GDshF2X3uBk/2HiYGRyyqnq0JLD IKeVP6bGbMNNbr37GvEE/WxvnHiY5icOUVllQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QXoyPiqGGIwfr8JW2k4B9ZiTcaDUJKe2egWra5h3i9JxHy5O1W04F2Kw3uImlyZMNb rjlHH2sRgUBme4q3aMLH8vJCUoGwRS7y4D5S4q6Ywd3gA3xkNlokzBTDrw0FaWCWFm4o ACgujY/Sf1X5w5ZYhqCXUrDtvi9F8qBlCzlCc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.5 with SMTP id x5mr3102836wee.61.1289658040403; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.64.134 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:20:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:20:40 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Tom Worster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:50:30 -0000 Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them (the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them we would like to switch if they offered the option On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if they > were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and 5 > different Windowses they offer. > > But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. > > Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: > > =A0http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact > > > A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 > bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 14:51:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667A71065675 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152B28FC2B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so397976yxe.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr6005541ybe.247.1289659886074; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m12sm1664090ybn.0.2010.11.13.06.51.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E467BE5487D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:51:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:51:23 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101113095123.202b5558@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:51:27 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:58:03 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > I have motherboard with total 8 SATA ports but seems it's broken as > > i'm having regular server hangs after heavy disk I/O, usually with > > messages about disconnected AHCI device. cables ARE OK. > > > > i bought extra controllers - 2 2-port PCIe based on said chipset. > > > > to make things more strange - 2 of 8 motherboard SATA ports ARE > > JMB363 based too! > > > > on motherboard ports are all detected by AHCI driver. > > > > THE same chips on cards are NOT detected as AHCI. > > pciconv shows they are in ATA/RAID mode. > > > > But builtin controller BIOS does not allow setting it in AHCI mode. > > tried ata/atadisk driver - it doesn't attach disk at all, but just > > waits 15 seconds on each port where disk is connected at boot. > > > > Disks ARE properly attached, as cards BIOS shows them up properly. > > > > > > How can FreeBSD be set up to simply force switching to AHCI mode on > > that chips? > > nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash > about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. Except for the "top Posting" (corrected) faux pas, that is the best answer I have seen here in quite awhile. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 15:02:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A981065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2528FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so2016021gwj.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.43.17 with SMTP id v17mr1725061ybj.128.1289660550469; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.78.183.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g8sm3167465yha.19.2010.11.13.07.02.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:59:23 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-STABLE; KDE/4.5.2; amd64; ; ) References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:02:32 -0000 On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: > i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) > Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 15:07:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1FD106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vic@yeaguy.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5538FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:07:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=kXGwZUU/u1JTMRv8Axk4W0omja+vfTT+sGlOkodD8F8= c=1 sm=0 a=XUrvAcZYG64A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=K3oiwSFwsX5fJWoDMELOCw==:17 a=44-7FOFWAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=978GsMuicFIXOakD6FIA:9 a=JMu0JfnQCwaDzCjOcOIA:7 a=eiaSSklEf0IJZWgHT6wC_3N4mlUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=K3oiwSFwsX5fJWoDMELOCw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.49.120.184 Received: from [67.49.120.184] ([67.49.120.184:38081] helo=[192.168.1.169]) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7E/C8-14897-B99AEDC4; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:07:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Justin V." To: Mario Lobo In-Reply-To: <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> Message-ID: References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:07:09 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: >> i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) >> > > Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! > > -- > Mario Lobo > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br > FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Its Beelzebub, the daemon. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 15:08:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CAE1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0648FC20 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.12.4]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 21CAE7C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:06:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:08:00 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4B04E026F612C8772460942E" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:08:07 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4B04E026F612C8772460942E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.11.2010 15:59, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Friday 12 November 2010 23:27:42 Mubeesh ali wrote: >> i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-)= >> >=20 > Let's hack the term and use lucifer instead! Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or the "resources for newbies" on the website? //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig4B04E026F612C8772460942E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzeqdMACgkQODUnwSLUlKS7HgCfQAbswcdywi4NKlzlgsGxMDlB 32cAnjdA2In5aXEQ37Va5z7DGk40YcRI =yT2I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4B04E026F612C8772460942E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:07:51 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A78C106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F708FC1D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so842570ewy.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.70 with SMTP id g6mr3283954ebg.44.1289664469813; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.65 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 08:07:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101113060508.6ffe7a4c@scorpio> References: <20101113060508.6ffe7a4c@scorpio> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:07:51 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jerry Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:05 AM Subject: Fw: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? To: Chris Brennan Has anyone gotten repeated forwards from the above user or is it just me? -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward.... ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:16:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599B01065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DC78FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A03C29015C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:16:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 45CC02909E0; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:16:55 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:16:52 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Polytropon , Charlie Kester Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? In-Reply-To: <20101113011803.abd5b82c.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:16:58 -0000 On 11/12/10 7:18 PM, "Polytropon" wrote: >On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester > wrote: >>On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: >>>Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? >>Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally >>dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. > >Why "vs"? It's "and". So let's have the "vs" vs "and" debate. isn't that where Derrida wrote the book? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:21:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D95106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from tensor.gdynia.pl (tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621AC8FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oADGLShM098590 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:21:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id oADGLSDk098587 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:21:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:21:28 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20101113095123.202b5558@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <20101113095123.202b5558@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:21:32 -0000 >>> that chips? >> >> nobody knows? or just this mail was missed within hundreds of trash >> about why devil is a mascot or tips for installing windows. > > Except for the "top Posting" (corrected) faux pas, that is the best > answer I have seen here in quite awhile. > hmmm... didn't expect much more. just waste of time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:24:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE80E106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14108FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F3CC2904BC; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:24:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id F09672904B5; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:24:29 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:24:24 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Chris Brennan , Free BSD Questions list Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:24:34 -0000 On 11/12/10 6:44 PM, "Chris Brennan" wrote: >I think it's safe to say that either a) Mr. Silveira has unsubscribed from >the list or b) learned to keep his mouth shut and scampered off into the >dark to learn the proper netiquette of this list. Must we continue to beat >this already dead horse? in his most recent email to me, Jos=E9 Silveira signed off with: "Finally, I am very happy to not to be part of freeBSD community." i admit i'm happy about that too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:28:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C90106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDF08FC14 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1947F290172; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id BBD8629048E; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:28:09 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:28:06 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Aryeh Friedman Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:28:11 -0000 if i used farcebook, i might start a campaign page to drum up support for freebsd on rackspace cloud. any takers? On 11/13/10 9:20 AM, "Aryeh Friedman" wrote: >Thats good news because currently we have a gentoo machine with them >(the closest linux distro to FreeBSD in philosophy and implementation) >and since i have been a big FB user for years I have already told them >we would like to switch if they offered the option > >On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Tom Worster wrote: >> I got a somewhat encouraging response from Rackspace when I asked if >>they >> were going to offer FreeBSD in addition to the 17 different Linuxes and >>5 >> different Windowses they offer. >> >> But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. >> >> Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: >> >> http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact >> >> >> A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 >> bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:34:22 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D611065696 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A9F8FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BD2012904B1; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp41.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id DDDED290474; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:20 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 11:34:15 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:34:22 -0000 On 11/13/10 8:57 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> different Windowses they offer. >> >> But ultimately their decision will depend on market interest. >> >> Here's the contact info if you want to voice your interest: >> >> http://www.rackspacecloud.com/aboutus/contact >> >> >> A Xen expert says you could order a Windows VM and overwrite it with 64 >> bit FreeBSD and that will work but it's not the ideal solution. >> >the ideal solution is not to use VM-style services at all. >i'm not sure in what country you live but getting a place with usable >network where you can put your own computer isn't even a problem in >Poland which is said to have poor connectivity in my situation, the ideal solution is not dedicated servers. that's what i'm using now and implementing the fault tolerance, high availability and load sharing requirements is very expensive this way. the RS could _appears_ (from my reading of the sales blurbs) to allow me to get much farther down that road within the current budget. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:45:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3710F1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from mail.tamay-dogan.net (mail.tamay-dogan.net [88.168.69.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57B18FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (router.private.tamay-dogan.net [::ffff:192.168.0.65]) (AUTH: LOGIN michelle.konzack) by mail.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:35:13 +0100 id 000118E2.4CDEBE41.000032A5 Received: by michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:35:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:35:13 +0100 From: Michelle Konzack To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113163513.GD5441@michelle1> References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_samba3-12965-1289666114-0001-2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> X-Message-Flag: Improper configuration of Outlook is a breeding ground for viruses. Please take care your Client is configured correctly. Greetings Michelle. X-Disclaimer-DE: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. X-Disclaimer-EN: What are you looking here? X-Disclaimer-FR: Quest ce tu regarder ici? Organization: Tamay Dogan Network X-Operating-System: Linux michelle1 2.6.26-2-686 X-Homepage: http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:45:20 -0000 This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_samba3-12965-1289666114-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Charlie Kester, Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: > >Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > > > >M$ vs Novell > >"Unix" vs "Linux" > >Mainframe vs "PC" > >DAS vs SAN > >Top-posting vs Bottom posting > >Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada >=20 > OK, I'll play: >=20 > Gnome vs KDE > Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) > GPL vs BSDL > C vs any other programming language Debian vs. FreeBSD. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack --=20 ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstra=DFe 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ --=_samba3-12965-1289666114-0001-2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.pgp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFM3r5BC0FPBMSS+BIRAqpEAJ9vcsX7BDgNLc/3bVfirz/UtqJFywCfTLvj TpOqrJrrYncU/KG/AnTHooU= =JlKw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_samba3-12965-1289666114-0001-2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:46:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA3C106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd4michelle@tamay-dogan.net) Received: from mail.tamay-dogan.net (mail.tamay-dogan.net [88.168.69.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78988FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (router.private.tamay-dogan.net [::ffff:192.168.0.65]) (AUTH: LOGIN michelle.konzack) by mail.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:36:13 +0100 id 000118E6.4CDEBE7D.00004949 Received: by michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:36:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:36:13 +0100 From: Michelle Konzack To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113163613.GE5441@michelle1> References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_samba3-18761-1289666174-0001-2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Message-Flag: Improper configuration of Outlook is a breeding ground for viruses. Please take care your Client is configured correctly. Greetings Michelle. X-Disclaimer-DE: Eine weitere Verwendung oder die Veroeffentlichung dieser Mail oder dieser Mailadresse ist nur mit der Einwilligung des Autors gestattet. X-Disclaimer-EN: What are you looking here? X-Disclaimer-FR: Quest ce tu regarder ici? Organization: Tamay Dogan Network X-Operating-System: Linux michelle1 2.6.26-2-686 X-Homepage: http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:46:16 -0000 This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_samba3-18761-1289666174-0001-2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Liontaur, Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack --=20 ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ###################### Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstra=DFe 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ --=_samba3-18761-1289666174-0001-2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.pgp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFM3r58C0FPBMSS+BIRAviSAKCyKhSzWkakk0U6quKrdgfV3lqjTwCeMPVi kx6lfdIl8cW/ctH/p0LaXFc= =OrN2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_samba3-18761-1289666174-0001-2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 16:49:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE918106567A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BC88FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADGl5Dt024567 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:47:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:47:05 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011131647.oADGl5Dt024567@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:49:11 -0000 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 06:10:54PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 16:09, Robert Bonomi wr= > ote: > > > An _individual_ application may allow scripting via an internal command= > language, > > > but since it is internal to the app, and *not* part of the GUI, it does= > n't > > > 'generalize' (no guarantee that similar capability is present in any ot= > her app) > > > *AND* is utterly worthless for 'automating' annything that involves mor= > e than > > > the single app. > >=20 > > The CLI doesn't generalize either. How many ways are there to get > > input into a program? > > You might be surprised by how many different ways of getting data into a > program can be accomplished with a simple Perl idiom like this: > > while (<>) { > } > > It gets pretty generalized in a hurry. > > On the other hand, 99% of GUI apps that handle files have a File > > > Open dialog that is provided via a toolkit and works the same > > everywhere. > > =2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very specific, > and non-general. Not to mention the fact that you _cannot_ specify anything _but_ a 'file' as the source of the data to be handled. Want to read it from a mag tape? Can't do it. Want to read directly from a serial port? =Can't= do it. Want to read directly from the keyboard? *Can't* do it. Want to get the input directly from another program, _without_ using an intermediate file? CANT' do it. The GUI "open" dialog doesn't allow for that kind of flexibility. In a pure GUI environment, if there =isn't= an _existing_ button/menu-item/ selection-list action for it, you _cannot_ do the operation. This is, not incidentally, why _pure_ GUI environments have gone the way of the dodo bird, except for some fixed-scope production uses. EVERYBODY _today_ realizes a GUI _alone_ is 'inadequate' for 'general purpose' use, and proivdes -- at a mnimum, an escape to a command-line, where you can do 'anything'. e.g. the MS Windows "run" item on the start menu. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 17:37:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B092106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:37:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AC08FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oADHaUA1023330; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:36:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oADHaTJC023329; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:36:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:36:29 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Chris Brennan Message-ID: <20101113173629.GA23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:37:44 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > > Did you know... > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... > ...it installs Windows 2000 I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more current one. ////jerry > > -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 17:39:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B781106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D348FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id oADHbmN5023369; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id oADHbmHZ023368; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" Message-ID: <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:39:02 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > >> i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in subject ;-) > >> > > Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or > the "resources for newbies" on the website? Now that is a good idea. ////jerry > > //Svein > > -- > --------+-------------------+------------------------------- > /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no > \ / |Solberg stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 > X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no > / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 > | | svein@stillbilde.net > ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 > ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net > Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 > +-------------------+------------------------------- > |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 > |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE > --------+-------------------+------------------------------- > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Picture Gallery: > https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:01:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7270106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D4C8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so2064238gwj.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.53.9 with SMTP id b9mr6249697yba.280.1289671286338; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r6sm1634024yba.11.2010.11.13.10.01.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12894E5487D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:01:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:01:22 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101113130122.0e79ff45@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:01:28 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500 Jerry McAllister articulated: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail > account) wrote: > > > >> i guess it is high time this list bans the word devil in > > >> subject ;-) > > > > Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the > > FAQ or the "resources for newbies" on the website? > > Now that is a good idea. That would be a waste of time. You would be working under the totally unproven assumption that it would actually be read or adhered to. Now, if this forum were open only to subscribers and when they subscribed this info was presented in the "welcome" message and if they were forewarned that even thinking about asking this question of the forum would result in their banishment from the forum, then perhaps you might have a working solution. I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum. Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the group. Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:03:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE53B1065673 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0D88FC1A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brain.duckburg (95-90-128-48-dynip.superkabel.de [95.90.128.48]) by mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org) with ESMTPSA id C3F514A2438 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:45:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.1-RELEASE; KDE/4.5.2; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201011131845.16721.tom@diogunix.com> Subject: /usr/ports/mail/mutt broken ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:03:16 -0000 Hello everybody, just tried to build /usr/ports/mail/mutt but surprisingly got stuck with an Error 1 though the ports collectionis updated and well maintained: m_err -lcrypto -lasn1 -lroken -lcrypt -lssl -lcrypto -lintl -liconv -liconv muttlib.o(.text+0x12f2): In function `mutt_mktemp': : warning: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using mkstemp() /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Init' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Final' /usr/lib/libhx509.so: undefined reference to `MD2_Update' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt/work/mutt-1.4.2.3. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mutt. Any ideas on what could be done ? Thanks a lot in advance Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:09:50 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F711065674 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D408FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B07CE6C2E; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-19-226.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.19.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:36 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101113180936.00002e97@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20101113130122.0e79ff45@scorpio> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113130122.0e79ff45@scorpio> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd.user@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:09:50 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:01:22 -0500 Jerry wrote: > I give Wietse a lot of credit for the way he runs his Postfix forum. > Continuing a post after its usefulness has waned, or asking > unrelated questions, etc. can and does get you banished from the > group. Maybe it is time to get a moderator with a set for this forum. The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a thread can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise useless, preventing further follow-ups. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 17:57:13 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0A01065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:57:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdsfbsd@att.net) Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 358A98FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2010 17:57:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.232] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2010 17:57:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2010 17:57:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 10940.41799.bm@omp1047.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92925 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2010 17:57:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1289671031; bh=fcBkZyCysjAGzJR6bwccJ2bxzcNfiLlzEyCdCabgTjk=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent; b=uyDr4gCYiMALlo3R1WB7WgjjI9zWXr3/PHAqXENAs4ozlKRpK23SMBa+RwTFFEepZwUS/Vv0yFCzFFJpcd4lcMA95naNIiLF8FBvf7bEIbQC/54ZRK32V1HzsBOe9VH5ebcLSQqeOOfiHbAFIvVi8pCnvmJTux0cd84/ZRIAOKw= Received: from galileo (bdsfbsd@99.30.140.66 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 09:57:11 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: d5tX3UiswBBe7eAro3WwBCIcMc7tMmv23kUXyA-- X-YMail-OSG: uIy4yE0VM1m_sW2l9uenn6xP.eOmLuviH2oAX1dHQDTwcUZ SlB7GqjqKC2Aa9nj3pJonH2WyRoZAHWzoWc.JwaKXJq_DwQTdn3ZzoZjOzgm 43rEsa7Z.COkWvSLahkhFGcbHiVDL1QRR1m5GYqnq.W9xIHVOUqyfZWzVYBL IAjFv8Y8zuRWDlRHJVtcX2fPcjO4O0MgQks_MD8jsapmwyYOxSq39wLGfvBq P1RVQkU98ndqq5MbaoQ5emMY0Wv2KOECbsAgLqWNKMc0kZAPY8HdSOCFSfXO A5fKIkWC0p5IltYvfXg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:58:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bdsfbsd@att.net Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.62 (Linux) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:14:07 +0000 Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:57:13 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 04:08:00PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail > account) wrote: >> >> Can we add this once-a-month question about Beastie to either the FAQ or >> the "resources for newbies" on the website? > > Now that is a good idea. > > ////jerry > And when someone asks this question, somebody refer them to said FAQ and THAT'S IT, instead of this huge list of people saying "oh no, not this again", debates on religion, on whether or not the OP is a troll, and some outright insulting and rude responses. Please, everyone, the next time somebody asks this question, refer to the FAQ (which needs amended,) respond off-list, or not at all. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:35:54 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86637106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivoras@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC588FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so562756qwi.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:35:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NOUgFEAHw3mrR6kbdqs/mFqzHUz9+0/H3o9rqwApuRU=; b=VgPhECde7Zs2NMmcFfQ29MWFxXViiB6PaJOx/Cg1zZOfo9bgFm+eGEAN8eBxGBC/DP k0ORMCkao4IKA45tEXi2tpFJBjCIbLuXLOLHF/qUhVvSz8jVVB3BWUiXja3dx8JLWJMK 2GBfWv7kb2x/WqJ5R7KL1fhX5Snn0XbW067og= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=f4kAZbu02OnsHkp56QGmvGvtCpKOT7thTv7PUSRkoj6YTtZuFQjyB+0APqG/bpgAIU 7NHZ24ci/34GzU4QEW5za/q11j1C60aykZh88IOWZ6JGnfGxOoeUOlv2lCiUJELYkz8e p5Z1TM44mZ3gy7RmC+0r+HR5RlIRM1jjVci74= Received: by 10.229.79.135 with SMTP id p7mr3363906qck.85.1289673353239; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:35:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ivoras@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.40.145 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5510442048.20101113034233@yandex.ru> References: <4910622844.20101111212049@yandex.ru> <5510442048.20101113034233@yandex.ru> From: Ivan Voras Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:35:12 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WSZvwUi87Gu0lMTEXRh2Lg6Bo3Y Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re[2]: How to obtain what swi1:net is doing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:35:54 -0000 2010/11/13 =D0=9A=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B2 =D0=95=D0=B2=D0=B3=D0= =B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B9 : > IV> net.isr.direct_force=3D0 > IV> net.isr.maxthreads=3D2 > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs > FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) x 2 SMT threads > =C2=A0cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: =C2=A00 > =C2=A0cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: =C2=A01 > =C2=A0cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: =C2=A04 > =C2=A0cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: =C2=A05 > ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 6 > ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard > netisr_init: forcing maxthreads to 1 and bindthreads to 0 for device poll= ing > > # cat /boot/loader.conf > net.isr.maxthreads=3D2 > > maxthreads does not affected I don't understand: how is it not affected? On a system with maxthreads=3D2, here is how it shows: betelgeuse:/home/ivoras# ps axuHc | grep isr root 12 3.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:09.21 intr/swi1: netisr 7 root 12 0.0 0.0 0 432 ?? WL 12:21PM 0:00.00 intr/swi1: netisr 0 I.e. there are two threads here, bound to CPU cores 0 and 7. > #uname -r > 9.0-CURRENT Yes, multithreaded netisr was introduced in FreeBSD 8, it wasn't there in 7= . From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:42:12 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1459D106567A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C105B8FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2010 13:42:10 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.1.9-GA) with ESMTP id AOC74564; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:41:54 -0500 Received: from 209-6-91-204.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.91.204]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2010 13:41:55 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19678.56292.374109.379533@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:41:40 -0500 To: Bruce Cran In-Reply-To: <20101113180936.00002e97@unknown> References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113021622.00001e07@unknown> <201011131159.23241.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4CDEA9D0.6000900@stillbilde.net> <20101113173748.GB23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101113130122.0e79ff45@scorpio> <20101113180936.00002e97@unknown> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: FreeBSD , freebsd.user@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:42:12 -0000 Bruce Cran writes: > The NTDEV list has another way of dealing with these issues: a > thread can get locked if it strays off-topic or becomes otherwise > useless, preventing further follow-ups. That would require a level of active moderation I don't remember seeing here. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 18:50:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5064C1065679 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2C48FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADImeTj025257 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:50:46 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Nov 11 23:20:20 2010 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 > From: Rob Farmer > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin wrote: > >> This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format > >> changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the > >> original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. > > > > Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to > > type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks > > thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception of > > the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a given > > task. =A0It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's toleran= > ce > > for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. =A0This is the kind of thinking > > that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. > > Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say > exactly what happened. What hapened was a new 'senior-level' employee was 'offended' at the thought of having to use 'obselete' tools that he was unfamilair with, and bitched and moaned until management 'bought' Windows, and Windows apps, to 'shut h im up'. > Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in > parallel, which is why I think the file format or whatever changed > too, and that was really the problem. Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from having the same file open forworking on. Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. The 'obselete' tool in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely "facilitated" the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. "Top Management" was a bunch of idiots. they let him get away with this, and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. His excuse -- that way he could work on it 'at home', too. But the company no longer had a copy of _their_ production data. > My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to > use, The batch file approach was _so_ easy to use, that the company _secretary_ would produce a custoized variation of it every week. Each line was a 'magic incantation' that was simly copied, followed by a file name. Compare that to what is necessary _today_ to use a COM or .NET automation interface. > but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, that > isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate > this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are > probably solutions that are more native to the application). There were *NO* automation options at the time (Early Win95 days). The necessary 'hooks' DID NOT EXIST in either the application *OR* the GUI. So said MICROSOFT themselves. > I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence > with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very > efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've > got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you > keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing > (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably > not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which > is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to > the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never > read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through > the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate If the program _itself_ isn't on a button or a menu item, you can't use it from *within* the GUI. You have to go to a command-line to invoke it. Got any idea how many executables there are on a MS-Windows system? and how _few_ of the are accessible from the CUI interface? OH, ecuse me, you *can't* tell can you, there's no GUI tool that would give you that information. On my Windows XP box -- admittedly loaded with software development tools -- the answer to the first question is that there are over NINE THOUSAND executables that can be invoked by name. I estimate that _less_ _than_ 10% of that number are _directly_ accessible through the Windows GUI. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:02:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F921065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9CB8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F0CE6C2E; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (client-86-27-19-226.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.19.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:31 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20101113190231.000073a8@unknown> In-Reply-To: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:45 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: > Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application > from having the same file open forworking on. Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: "An application also uses CreateFile to specify whether it wants to share the file for reading, writing, both, or neither. This is known as the sharing mode. An open file that is not shared (dwShareMode set to zero) cannot be opened again, either by the application that opened it or by another application, until its handle has been closed. This is also referred to as exclusive access." from http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363874%28VS.85%29.aspx -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:28:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F561065673 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 962328FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23538 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 19:28:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 19:28:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=XpXKTN0PT+mlyeqPaW/A9tK/7xuBG6hgdnnmEwyBcIE82natogrr8wncrHTQ35Ek/6bjVVvIvmAfIorqA+TzCBRVGwiU8wMm2UXGCXbQrvo4gZ3SJSRgCR3EOjBkP9Dh; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHLmJ-0005Mq-T7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:28:48 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:22:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:22:34 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113192234.GE45252@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101112192954.GB18437@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112223810.GA19635@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20101112232954.GA41199@guilt.hydra> <20101112235746.GH13998@comcast.net> <20101113173629.GA23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101113173629.GA23290@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:28:49 -0000 --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:36:29PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:08:51PM -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > >=20 > > Did you know... > > If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, > > but what's worse is when you play it forward.... >=20 > I like this one - though you could update if from W 2000 to a more > current one. I vote Vista. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkze5XoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX/CQCePHQRnKKMVbNgTNHfZlcqT0gT fIcAoNRKwb3uX/KA/0/oajhCNRKHlqZZ =nRSn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mR8QP4gmHujQHb1c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:31:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FFD106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18F298FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3641 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 19:31:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 19:31:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=cuFCvUdfKiRLKtjeiWpU57vK4j/y1OK0ttu9S0PmEzPzpkiPBRUq/WClragOMtvM8xrFcdOh4R0cFv9UTgOZUwMbm2eiZMOCKXitd/cXXVj5AcCM1jKBiAd2NoLQr4de; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHLoa-0007x2-9r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:31:09 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:24:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:24:54 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113192454.GF45252@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113002226.GI13998@comcast.net> <20101113163513.GD5441@michelle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101113163513.GD5441@michelle1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:31:10 -0000 --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:35:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Charlie Kester, >=20 > Am 2010-11-12 16:22:26, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: > > >Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > > > > > >M$ vs Novell > > >"Unix" vs "Linux" > > >Mainframe vs "PC" > > >DAS vs SAN > > >Top-posting vs Bottom posting > > >Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada > >=20 > > OK, I'll play: > >=20 > > Gnome vs KDE > > Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) > > GPL vs BSDL > > C vs any other programming language >=20 > Debian vs. FreeBSD. I'm shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that there still has not been any mention of vi vs. emacs in this list. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkze5gYACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXZRwCfUqMFSgOhVR0T+TRNJx0+sg2C G9kAnj49xX+WNUwqY6VRbrxQj+I6vVqY =QeL1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:32:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07841065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 684E38FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5028 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 19:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 19:32:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=YQPDGGj2T9qXLpcer7TQ/oyYeHsfO9CjS2+Y4uS5HfoSSNjv61ir7nuvmG9Fcm4Va1jHwl1zpdq/3wtBz1RmcCl3yPRhp0GbMWfgI3sCdRqrp3Von0QZBmF/RQKCAjpr; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHLpm-0000kh-02 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:32:23 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:26:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:26:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113192608.GG45252@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <12632_1289606734_4CDDD64E_12632_1397_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499A7AF8C5F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20101113163613.GE5441@michelle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qxfKREH7IwbezJ+T" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101113163613.GE5441@michelle1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:32:23 -0000 --qxfKREH7IwbezJ+T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 05:36:13PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Liontaur, >=20 > Am 2010-11-12 23:55:22, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > I was just thinking about how much better vi is compared to emacs ;) >=20 > Thats normaly, because emacs is an Operating System which lakes an editor s/lakes/lacks/ That's not actually true, you know. Emacs has a passable editor called Viper Mode. It's not ideal, but I suppose beggars can't be choosers. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qxfKREH7IwbezJ+T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkze5lAACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUPsgCfQBGRRGERrx5uW+l3IxmJdzkd /ngAnRtIMl31ruGJj8bAzbRzh3ZDsURo =6bBw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qxfKREH7IwbezJ+T-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:36:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33DC1065696 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 930848FC28 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9533 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=NGoYzOnH6cSL3w/Un3+Yq1GQvAoEeQxVz95aPe6gMx5l924JNSeGJTIxrmdOpWgXd+VUodmhu1f4fTQxvmemEw/t5VyVON49VP69wLjAfbZZUvDGq8Eqp/rIS939idzI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHLtd-0004lj-W0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:36:23 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:30:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:30:08 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113193008.GH45252@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011131647.oADGl5Dt024567@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011131647.oADGl5Dt024567@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:36:23 -0000 --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:47:05AM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:19:34 -0700 > > From: Chad Perrin > > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > > > =3D2E . . and it is shortly after that point that things get very speci= fic, > > and non-general. >=20 > Not to mention the fact that you _cannot_ specify anything _but_ a 'file' > as the source of the data to be handled. Want to read it from a mag tape? > Can't do it. Want to read directly from a serial port? =3DCan't=3D do i= t. =20 > Want to read directly from the keyboard? *Can't* do it. Want to get the > input directly from another program, _without_ using an intermediate file? > CANT' do it. The GUI "open" dialog doesn't allow for that kind of flexib= ility. >=20 > In a pure GUI environment, if there =3Disn't=3D an _existing_ button/menu= -item/ > selection-list action for it, you _cannot_ do the operation. =20 >=20 > This is, not incidentally, why _pure_ GUI environments have gone the way = of > the dodo bird, except for some fixed-scope production uses. >=20 > EVERYBODY _today_ realizes a GUI _alone_ is 'inadequate' for 'general pur= pose' > use, and proivdes -- at a mnimum, an escape to a command-line, where you = can > do 'anything'. e.g. the MS Windows "run" item on the start menu. I wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, since much of the MS Windows environment was designed *solely* with the GUI in mind, there's a lot of stuff that is not very doable with the run dialog, cmd.exe, command.exe, PowerShell, or even Ypsilon (which, shockingly, is more capable in many ways than PowerShell, even though it's only meant to be a Scheme REPL). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkze50AACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXnTwCfRc77aOCu+jB71rkKrpbCNKP1 278AoOpMLsJvdEbu6D5l9l4+P0seDYlt =FR+h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MP5ln1Rcf9Bvi+ZW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:48:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1566106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward16.mail.yandex.net (forward16.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.141]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEBE8FC15 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp19.mail.yandex.net (smtp19.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.19]) by forward16.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 92A8523A88DC for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:48:57 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289677737; bh=4MK87Q4dKtWX4FjTj73iVGwmYdMFtDrvJRl9Pv6TD/A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LoUiomczF1JRp8FPUgRhDokNzFZoaapB2vvBk4LEm//88Q854F62hZSy1CewD5wJA lunQ5czCSGoDmxhMuqtt+L1YNtFgz5c1BV5PE2HJuwQRMnY4ODQlH1RV02cVeVSZKe rjYbvkvTPPvy485o4NwdzK3R6CocIJym/PrYaPY4= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.38.34]) by smtp19.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 5E624287009F for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:48:57 +0300 (MSK) X-Nat-Received: from [77.93.38.39]:4955 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1289677316.32677 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:48:58 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <832450377.20101113214858@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: BUG: sysctl net.isr.swi_count negative value X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:48:59 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. net.isr.swi_count: -1692211928 as I think count can not be negative. in this case it is. Is this a bug or negative value means some special? -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:49:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C7F106566B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward20.mail.yandex.net (forward20.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049598FC18 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (smtp17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.17]) by forward20.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3059D5D10F89 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:49:00 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289677740; bh=n+ypbZivN0bBhZ4bQsf76yBcYM8XTJQ0o2Uc7a+Eb+Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=seWF36QR7skh8b68lHqTpyaPBuMDhyHdPKgQqr3Z1FQLFxZWdaC0ZqWp2DqEhbMVi DhjmoHXAfHmJQ1g3UHAo4byoSv7Y8oCe/V8Qo/g3skf6P27lY6J63VfWhazPzAYqxy vipoRlsAgY84EPZmcHZjwmIruwSj7Kja1K+s5Pj4= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.38.34]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id EF03D3070067 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:48:59 +0300 (MSK) X-Nat-Received: from [77.93.38.39]:4956 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1289677318.32678 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:04:28 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <157945133.20101113190428@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: top different output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. *pls. redirect to right developers thread in 7.2FreeBSD top show as: 32 root -68 - 0K 16K WAIT 72:24 10.25% irq16: rl0 in 9.0FreeBSD top show as: 12 root 28 -28 - 0K 224K WAIT 3 223:03 42.77% intr top -SIP in 7 version top has better output because of I can see which interrupt get CPU time, in 9 I can not on both machines # top -v top: version 3.5beta12 -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:49:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4A8106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward17.mail.yandex.net (forward17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9A18FC19 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (smtp17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.17]) by forward17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AABD7A58856 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:49:00 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289677740; bh=HcmSQcym/bO2M5vf/o+2pvb9qg06nPY/1vI7IU7HpAE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IkKxGWZQ3SyGu+qstzo4aebwwjHBFctKmRIGZp9aFjBChbggc48OUAzEbBWZRxl3a 0uEepkwZYPPCzQqI75XkAtK32QgKin+/ZG9xtaf5rTyF6JbS/x/aMrT2l2cs2ILMrm 2Eg/WQvTt90Lwpfp9oRVEe7x8NWyyVCddNe2Sthw= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.38.34]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id 6FE693070067 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:49:00 +0300 (MSK) X-Nat-Received: from [77.93.38.39]:4956 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1289677318.32678 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:13:38 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <587015778.20101113191338@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: system utilities job X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. why I have different results for re0 interface for interrupt statistic? # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 5 0 irq16: ehci0 84414 1 irq17: atapci0 329838 5 irq23: ehci1 112524 2 cpu0:timer 119506195 2125 irq266: re0 492258114 8753 <<<<<<<<<< cpu3:timer 98445240 1750 cpu1:timer 95782407 1703 cpu2:timer 89616119 1593 Total 896134856 15934 #systat -v 3 users Load 0,42 0,51 0,51 13 19:12 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 86084 4912 446820 6376 1474852 count All 207628 8180 2620768 32204 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt cow 21237 total 40 93k 12 1129 12k 40k 15 1 zfod atkbd0 1 ozfod 1 ehci0 16 2,8%Sys 10,9%Intr 0,0%User 0,0%Nice 86,2%Idle %ozfod 10 atapci0 17 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 2 ehci1 23 =++++++ prcfr 2126 cpu0:timer 30 dtbuf 3 totfr 12744 re0 266 <<<<<<<<<< Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 110674 desvn react 2127 cpu3:timer Calls hits % hits % 71986 numvn pdwak 2123 cpu1:timer 7 7 100 27160 frevn pdpgs 2104 cpu2:timer intrn Disks ad4 172156 wire KB/t 15,84 49524 act tps 10 272900 inact MB/s 0,16 272 cache %busy 0 1474580 free -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 19:49:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702FF10656B8 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward19.mail.yandex.net (forward19.mail.yandex.net [95.108.253.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3A48FC1B for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (smtp17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.17]) by forward19.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4989634400F1 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:49:01 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1289677741; bh=uMIdeCjJ1vUs07UwKqWTbxihR7NuUqIhBzqMBv2pfMI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PkAZr7dYHPydZiuaVun8rp78BjmJyq/rum0zG8YKJ9PZONcKxBffai35c7UJtJCux DnD1Qomc7xBMZ331ocbBGocHDC66PEu+euMu+Qw80xie/AUk37b4Y4pUcEN9r0oAly +1Y1hVXbbpYa8uG+NOKSwIbJiUPQYnpyXFZ69nc0= Received: from HOMEUSER (unknown [77.93.38.34]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPA id E1F853070067 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:49:00 +0300 (MSK) X-Nat-Received: from [77.93.38.39]:4956 [ident-empty] by SPAM FILTER: with TPROXY id 1289677318.32678 abuse-to kes-kes@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:03:55 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7097079.20101113200355@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:49:03 -0000 Hi, Freebsd-questions. How to obtain how much CPU time take packet traversing via firewall? -- , mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:12:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8061065672 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.user@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7458FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so2533860gxk.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.42.3 with SMTP id u3mr6429257ybj.294.1289679153685; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-071-077-039-064.nc.res.rr.com [71.77.39.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4sm1711102ybe.13.2010.11.13.12.12.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (zeus [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: FreeBSD.user@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6428FE5487D for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:12:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:12:30 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20101113151230.3c561e17@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20101113190231.000073a8@unknown> References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20101113190231.000073a8@unknown> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUeH4oAAI3//v8LDHmw s8gyNZ/b3ej7+vn+/v////+PjIc8Plaj/TnQAAACNElEQVQ4jaXUvW/aQBQAcFtKGZLFT+YY 3D1SR9SKoRMncE3IggU4kicGi1JYOgQwyYrgnLlSzhsoNkTuVJEp+ef6ztiAoV3aJ+QPfufn s987S/5fQvoXYPjztmfc514Ks+5JfGUCfrzt4+VabF+jwEV4DGEXN8N4p16sPLxHX07/V3qX yfF5D2H6K4V8j9NkyAphvkjBembD5PDFk3zeTzP1jcksyaV9w+d4ELmUoOp8N2p8uQVyhTAT uawnKNH2mie5lJp48mscUcbJUvg0mR6APwAoye9AMyWozY4gAh0vcxa5FJ4TKCuODESWtfkB 8AEQSupUXNIYH8FSC2w8X3eMBNbbVJpJ7MgECO5yJ9DUEWCYkzNAlsRsgwLQ1GkWqELbkDOh 1bUzoHagYkNh9MXlK/MQoA42gTxz2bhPM2DJedm8MZx6cNfJgEZJ5cmwPp5FZ/Ye8O2qTrFV dgOrHkZRBoheJiGrRquwAhnQ6GeTePPerWVmQelAQ5lwNqtvQd2lcooAV74/zR1BIRS19fy5 ru+B/8ReW9pYKMPjt609zDaitHHTGOO+Zu7gHvsKE7XbeE1QVuJXomIFuZgUJdXQdhpqEELc /e8RLjfi+cQ01yMdWot8UcCVxEWHEkcUrsDGuhaIEoM9kfgAR6jxHcmEV7tNURAl8KTHN9iF McKGFHGO62O62UMpbmlVuogQ7ndL8zXCiLeBy3xpfrqaXS/+AHDG4o8AvhuPeezD/3xL/hy/ Adjlg2odglF2AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:35 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:31 +0000 Bruce Cran articulated: > On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application > > from having the same file open forworking on. > > Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't > specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: > > "An application also uses CreateFile to specify whether it wants to > share the file for reading, writing, both, or neither. This is known > as the sharing mode. An open file that is not shared (dwShareMode set > to zero) cannot be opened again, either by the application that > opened it or by another application, until its handle has been > closed. This is also referred to as exclusive access." from > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa363874%28VS.85%29.aspx FUD certainly comes into play here. Microsoft haters will utter any excuse to downplay its GUI. Those naysayers are just as pathetic as those who claim that a CLI is obsolete or overly burdensome. If you want to use a GUI, then use it. If not, then use a CLI or whatever suits your fancy. Honestly, this whole thread has deteriorated to a group of old wash women debating molecular science. The fact that they have not got all their facts correct never caused them to miss a beat. -- Jerry ✌ FreeBSD.user@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ I know you think you thought you knew what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you understood what you thought I meant. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:12:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF7C1065758 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [130.149.58.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BA58FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (localhost.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oADKCdj9094209 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:12:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de) Received: (from elon@localhost) by emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id oADKCdQ4094208 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:12:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from elon) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:12:39 +0100 From: Leon =?iso-8859-15?Q?Me=DFner?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113201239.GF8921@emmi.physik-pool.tu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Heimdal 1.4 can't open old 0.6.3 database X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:12:42 -0000 Hello, because of the unusable base gssapi i switched to using the security/heimdal port. But now my heimdal tools (ipropd-slave, kdc) can't open my old database the error i get is: kdc[5156]: Failed to open database: opening /var/heimdal/heimdal.db: Invalid argument # /usr/local/libexec/kdc --builtin-hdb = =20 builtin hdb backends: db:, keytab:, sqlite: # ls -l /var/heimdal=20 total 1856 -rw------- 1 root wheel 1658880 Nov 1 14:27 heimdal.db -rw------- 1 root wheel 157706 Nov 12 22:01 log -rw-r----- 1 root wheel 10485760 Aug 16 20:06 log.0000000001 -rw------- 1 root wheel 83 Aug 7 22:31 m-key # file heimdal.db=20 heimdal.db: Berkeley DB 1.85/1.86 (Btree, version 3, native byte-order) The old heimdal version was 0.6.3 the new: # /usr/local/libexec/kdc --version kdc (Heimdal 1.4) I can't find any information if i have to merge anything or so. The Kerberos docu only talks about MIT to Heimdal or v4 to v5 conversion. thanks, leon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:31:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D415106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2F58FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADKT4nj025897 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:29:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:29:04 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011132029.oADKT4nj025897@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:31:10 -0000 > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: > > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: > > >Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? > > > > Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally > > dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. > > Why "vs"? It's "and". So let's have the "vs" vs "and" debate. > And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical > operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to "vs" > or "and"... or... yes, what about "or"? :-) "or?" NOT!! -- For the life of me, I cant think of the movie that -that- catchprase is from. (and Google is _no_ help on a search where capitilzation and/or punctuation matters) was it "Bill & Teds Excellent Adventure"? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:32:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD13B1065695 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7347D8FC08 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.11]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id EF0227C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:31:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CDEF5D9.80501@stillbilde.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:32:25 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132029.oADKT4nj025897@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201011132029.oADKT4nj025897@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6A243574D7FC90F8C20E1D46" Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:32:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6A243574D7FC90F8C20E1D46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13.11.2010 21:29, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 01:18:03 +0100 >> From: Polytropon >> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? >> >> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:57:46 -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: >>> On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 15:44:01 PST Chris Brennan wrote: >>>> Must we continue to beat this already dead horse? >>> >>> Apparently the answer is yes, when we're not beating the equally >>> dead horse of the CLI vs GUI debate. >> >> Why "vs"? It's "and". So let's have the "vs" vs "and" debate. >> And as we are already on-topic, let's discuss which logical >> operator is the best, maybe we find an alternative to "vs" >> or "and"... or... yes, what about "or"? :-) >=20 > "or?" NOT!! XOR //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig6A243574D7FC90F8C20E1D46 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkze9dwACgkQODUnwSLUlKQCfQCfYApM+uLwUGitVbh0jmGXfVg9 K2QAn1r2W1yvC6MtWp4aTbKBnxXFP7hv =e0ZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6A243574D7FC90F8C20E1D46-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:34:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93941106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0DA8FC1F for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADKW4FG025920 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:32:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:32:04 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:34:09 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Nov 12 18:34:27 2010 > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:22:26 -0800 > From: Charlie Kester > To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > On Fri 12 Nov 2010 at 16:05:33 PST Gary Gatten wrote: > >Let's start a thread listing dead horses to beat: > > > >M$ vs Novell > >"Unix" vs "Linux" > >Mainframe vs "PC" > >DAS vs SAN > >Top-posting vs Bottom posting > >Blah blah blah vs Yada yada yada > > OK, I'll play: > > Gnome vs KDE > Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) > GPL vs BSDL > C vs any other programming language should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:37:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7532F1065695 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfarmer@predatorlabs.net) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D488FC34 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so705759qyk.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.2.202 with SMTP id 10mr3928582qak.60.1289680638459; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.16.199 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.133.113] In-Reply-To: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:37:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Rob Farmer To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:37:19 -0000 On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:48, Robert Bonomi wro= te: > >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org =A0Thu Nov 11 23:20:20 2010 >> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:51 -0800 >> From: Rob Farmer >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? >> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 17:19, Chad Perrin wrote: >> >> This isn't really a GUI problem, because the issue is the file format >> >> changing such that your .bat no longer worked. If you retained the >> >> original format or fixed the script, it would still work fine. >> > >> > Actually, my understanding was that the problem was someone refused to >> > type a simple command, and would rather make a series of seven clicks >> > thirty times while babysitting the application, and had no conception = of >> > the benefits of letting more than one person work in parallel on a giv= en >> > task. =3DA0It wasn't the file format that changed; it was someone's to= leran=3D >> ce >> > for using a keyboard instead of a mouse. =3DA0This is the kind of thin= king >> > that leads to the Mac defaulting to a mouse with only one button. >> >> Well, our info about this situation is limited, so it is hard to say >> exactly what happened. > > What hapened was a new 'senior-level' employee was 'offended' at the thou= ght > of having to use 'obselete' tools that he was unfamilair with, and bitche= d > and moaned until management 'bought' =A0Windows, and Windows apps, to 'sh= ut h > im up'. >> Switching to a GUI doesn't preclude multiple people working in >> parallel, =A0which is why I think the file format or whatever changed >> too, and that was really the problem. > > > Au Contraire, =A0WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application from = having > the same file open forworking on. As Bruce mentions, that's not true. Besides, that is a great feature, since it prevents files from being modified, moved, deleted, etc. while open in an application that can't handle those things. With older versions of Windows sometimes you could get files stuck in a locked state but I haven't seen that in a while. > > Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. =A0The 'obselete' tool > in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. > > Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a > _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of > only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people > working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Many load the whole file into memory then write the whole thing back out, blindly assuming that nothing has changed since. > > That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely "facilita= ted" > the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. > > "Top Management" was a bunch of idiots. =A0they let him get away with thi= s, > and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept > it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. =A0His excuse =A0-- that way he = could > work on it 'at home', too. =A0But the company no longer had a copy of _th= eir_ > production data. Indeed, so why do you include it as an anti-GUI argument? > >> My reading of the anecdote was that the batch file was indeed easy to >> use, > > The batch file approach was _so_ easy to use, that the company _secretary= _ > would produce a custoized variation of it every week. =A0Each line was a > 'magic incantation' that was simly copied, followed by a file name. > > Compare that to what is necessary _today_ to use a COM or .NET automation > interface. You create a script or exe which is double-clicked and does whatever you want. AutoIt was already mentioned. > >> =A0 =A0 =A0but it no longer worked when the GUI switch was made. Again, = that >> isn't really a reflection on the GUI, since there are ways to automate >> this kind of thing (for Windows, AutoIt was mentioned, plus there are >> probably solutions that are more native to the application). > > There were *NO* automation options at the time (Early Win95 days). =A0The > necessary 'hooks' DID NOT EXIST in either the application *OR* the GUI. > So said MICROSOFT themselves. OLE automation has existed for years - Wikipedia says Microsoft published a book on it in December 1993 (OLE 2 Programmer's Reference). Perhaps there was an OLE 1, before that, I don't know. It also says macros and VBA were added to Office in 1993 (ie, when GUI started to get popular). > >> I'm not saying the CLI is universally bad - if you gain competence >> with a set of programs that you use frequently, it can be very >> efficient. It does make it hard to enter a new area, though - you've >> got to learn some before you can do anything. That can pay off, if you >> keep using that program, but if it is a one-off or occasional thing >> (like the svn tagging example earlier in this thread), it's probably >> not worthwhile. While you argue that it increases flexibility, which >> is true in some ways, it also decreases flexibility by limiting me to >> the programs I know or am willing to read documentation for. I never >> read documentation for GUI programs - I jump right in and look through >> the menus to find what I need or realize the program isn't adequate > > If the program _itself_ isn't on a button or a menu item, you can't use > it from *within* the GUI. =A0 =A0You have to go to a command-line to invo= ke it. > > Got any idea how many executables there are on a MS-Windows system? =A0an= d > how _few_ of the are accessible from the CUI interface? =A0 OH, ecuse me, > you *can't* tell can you, =A0there's no GUI tool that would give you that > information. =A0 On my Windows XP box -- admittedly loaded with software > development tools -- the answer to the first question is that there are > over NINE THOUSAND executables that can be invoked by name. =A0I estimate > that _less_ _than_ 10% of that number are _directly_ accessible through > the Windows GUI. Many of those are used internally by other programs - like libexec on FreeBSD. Also, many have been dropped from the Start Menu as a way of deprecating them or because exposing them would simply encourage people who don't know what they are doing to break their system (Group Policy editor, registry editor, ...). And my FreeBSD system has over 30,000 items in/under /usr/local/lib, all for a rather minimal set of software (Gnome, Firefox, a couple small ports). So Windows hardly loses this "game." --=20 Rob Farmer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 20:46:58 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82136106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5578FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADKirKf025979 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:44:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:44:53 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011132044.oADKirKf025979@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:46:58 -0000 > From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:47:40 -0800 > Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? > > >>>>> "Charlie" == Charlie Kester writes: > > Charlie> OK, I'll play: > > Charlie> Gnome vs KDE > Charlie> Ports vs Packages (vs PBI's) > Charlie> GPL vs BSDL > Charlie> C vs any other programming language > > Perl vs Readability > <*SNORt*> That's what APL is for -- to make Perl look readable somebody once claimed that the -only- way to obfuscate an APL program -- more than it _naturally_ was, that is -- was to write It as TECO source. 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They are FBSD friendly and offer outstanding and human > support. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 21:14:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F381065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA898FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADLCGhx026157 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:12:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:12:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011132112.oADLCGhx026157@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:14:21 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 13 13:01:04 2010 > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:02:31 +0000 > From: Bruce Cran > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:48:40 -0600 (CST) > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > Au Contraire, WINDOWS *itself* forbids more than one application > > from having the same file open for working on. > > Wrong. Windows *itself* doesn't care - lots of applications just don't > specify FILE_SHARE_WRITE: Windows -enforces- the restriction, which exists "by default". Whether or not there is programatic 'work around' is irrelevant if the needed application fails to provide any way to twiddle that knob. This kind of file-locking _does_ make good sense -- 'sort of', that is. A default mode where additional apps could access the file 'read only' with a warning, would be arguably better. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 21:53:31 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D60A1065679 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:53:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73608FC17 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id oADLpP0X026343 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:51:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:51:25 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201011132151.oADLpP0X026343@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:53:31 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Nov 13 13:49:50 2010 > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:03:55 +0200 > From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: How to obtain how much CPU take packet check on ipfw > > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > > How to obtain how much CPU time take packet traversing via firewall? Some particular packet, or just a 'typical' packet? The latter number is -much- easier to get thant the former. See how much CPU time ipfw used during a given interval. See how many packets were handled during that same interval. Divide the first number by the second. this will give you 'average' cpu tie per packet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 21:59:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAF7106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0AAF8FC0A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26857 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 21:59:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 21:59:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=jv1HUB1oZX28CUkR693Q1inxNIfoq84d9Kj5ZrM8r2rSRtHXGIOlCf3XdYIXoUGh34Gm61pojD0hCqAvN0+k123NAMW1zE2R2OkeRWl12k4SLpZ7isolVW/nklSBAzWx; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHO8Y-0001Ce-9N for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:59:55 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:53:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:53:40 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113215340.GB45921@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011131848.oADImeTj025257@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:59:56 -0000 --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:37:18PM -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:48, Robert Bonomi w= rote: > > > > Said employee _demanded_ a GUI-based application. =A0The 'obselete' tool > > in effective production use did not exist in a windows version. > > > > Since said employee bundled all the formerly separate worksheets into a > > _single_ workbook, *his* action, combined with Windows enforcement of > > only _single-user_access_ to a given file, precluded multiple people > > working on _anything_ in the workbook at the same time. >=20 > Right, and this isn't a GUI problem - its a problem with combining the > documents. What software allows multiple people to open and write to > the same file simultaneously without trashing the file or losing data? Git and Mercurial come to mind. > > > > That wasn't the fault of the GUI environment, per se, it merely "facili= tated" > > the self-centered intrests of the above-mentioned employee. > > > > "Top Management" was a bunch of idiots. =A0they let him get away with t= his, > > and more -- he moved 'his' workhook _off_ the company servers, and kept > > it _exclusively_ on his personal laptop. =A0His excuse =A0-- that way h= e could > > work on it 'at home', too. =A0But the company no longer had a copy of _= their_ > > production data. >=20 > Indeed, so why do you include it as an anti-GUI argument? I think it was more of an anti-anti-CLI argument. > > > > If the program _itself_ isn't on a button or a menu item, you can't use > > it from *within* the GUI. =A0 =A0You have to go to a command-line to in= voke it. > > > > Got any idea how many executables there are on a MS-Windows system? =A0= and > > how _few_ of the are accessible from the CUI interface? =A0 OH, ecuse m= e, > > you *can't* tell can you, =A0there's no GUI tool that would give you th= at > > information. =A0 On my Windows XP box -- admittedly loaded with software > > development tools -- the answer to the first question is that there are > > over NINE THOUSAND executables that can be invoked by name. =A0I estima= te > > that _less_ _than_ 10% of that number are _directly_ accessible through > > the Windows GUI. >=20 > Many of those are used internally by other programs - like libexec on > FreeBSD. Also, many have been dropped from the Start Menu as a way of > deprecating them or because exposing them would simply encourage > people who don't know what they are doing to break their system (Group > Policy editor, registry editor, ...). >=20 > And my FreeBSD system has over 30,000 items in/under /usr/local/lib, > all for a rather minimal set of software (Gnome, Firefox, a couple > small ports). So Windows hardly loses this "game." I think the point was that only a small fraction of the tools available from the CLI can reasonably be made available from the GUI, because of the incredibly complexity that would be added to the interface if the GUI could directly access all of that stuff. I don't think the point was that MS Windows has lots of executables. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzfCOQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUlQQCeIW0fMTuHfcQwdRrmHHTltbEe sKAAniAo0eiYnsTFN4KaXSwNgvqkE5lP =7mKE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --St7VIuEGZ6dlpu13-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 22:06:17 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCF21065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68CE88FC16 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5108 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 22:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 22:06:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=T2MU7JretHx7SbjB4jmJd73WVwI4yj+Wx/l0GXPDedGp5wX7HmADI6plj7RYqHwxApqrT9dQHuZdP4YqZsLhqirhnrAYN8NELs2TrSJ/tpmjnQ6pfD54SA2WyUf243Pt; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHOEh-0007YB-OF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:06:16 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:00:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:00:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113220001.GC45921@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132112.oADLCGhx026157@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qtZFehHsKgwS5rPz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011132112.oADLCGhx026157@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:06:17 -0000 --qtZFehHsKgwS5rPz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:12:16PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: >=20 > This kind of file-locking _does_ make good sense -- 'sort of', that is. > A default mode where additional apps could access the file 'read only' > with a warning, would be arguably better. Yeah -- I'm a fan of how nvi and Vim handle it. Each does things a little differently from the other, but both handle it well. Unfortunately, they only seem to handle it for other instances of the same program. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qtZFehHsKgwS5rPz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzfCmEACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKV2cQCeJn3uaMIrZa21R4H0aEF3pgYi rOgAn1ax1CyGNNtmxR/z2Apq+9hjnnEg =zoEn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qtZFehHsKgwS5rPz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 22:12:14 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FA0106564A for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8251D8FC15 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11839 invoked by uid 0); 13 Nov 2010 22:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2010 22:12:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=el2O/Z1GHMjPQSDJIjLuMYmOj/ydvWKmtveEp8Y18WsWbVKzXVfACKppIrNZpjA7maf8cow1vmfS8MisYoOZJ4NlIP9BYwYvLr1uVSI/CnwskufnlBpvtu2aqpphPz+1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHOKT-0005DR-0B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:12:14 -0700 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:05:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:05:59 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113220559.GE45921@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="47eKBCiAZYFK5l32" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201011132032.oADKW4FG025920@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:12:14 -0000 --47eKBCiAZYFK5l32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:32:04PM -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: >=20 > should the one-leter name for 'c++' be 'd' or 'p'? > (nobody could decide/agree, which *IS* why it is 'c++' to this day) Why would we need a one-letter name? C++ is also known as CPP. D is already another programming language, so we can't really use that for C++. I don't know what this P has to do with it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --47eKBCiAZYFK5l32 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkzfC8cACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWSNgCcD+3jmyx5Hs3kFurBspjbW+ET ClcAnjv/Zt3m08WwXtAejnyWrvzVF7/m =U2AH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --47eKBCiAZYFK5l32-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 22:31:53 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 1B7BA1065679; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:31:53 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: ??????? ??????? Message-ID: <20101113223153.GA17284@freebsd.org> References: <832450377.20101113214858@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <832450377.20101113214858@yandex.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BUG: sysctl net.isr.swi_count negative value X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:31:53 -0000 On Sat Nov 13 10, ??????? ??????? wrote: > Hi, Freebsd-questions. > net.isr.swi_count: -1692211928 > > as I think count can not be negative. in this case it is. > Is this a bug or negative value means some special? what is the output of 'uname -a'? looks like a 32 bit integer is being used for net.isr.swi_count which you managed to overrun. i'm running HEAD and that sysctl parameter doesn't exist: otaku% sysctl net.isr.swi_count sysctl: unknown oid 'net.isr.swi_count' seems pluknet posted the same one year ago [1] cheers. alex [1] http://markmail.org/message/qc34d5z6uyyet7nx > > -- > ? ?????????, > ??????? mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru > -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 23:12:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22629106566C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:12:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fsb@thefsb.org) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD388FC13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4638C902C1; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp45.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 9DE0C901EB; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:28 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.1.0.101012 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:12:22 -0500 From: Tom Worster To: Nerius Landys , Alejandro Imass Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:12:30 -0000 i am very happy with the service i get from my provider of freebsd dedicated hosts. and there's no shortage of offerings for vps as well. but dedicated/vps does not offer what cloud computing does. On 11/13/10 4:05 PM, "Nerius Landys" wrote: >Hi, I'm a 3 year customer of M5 Hosting. >They are in San Diego. >I am a very very pleased customer. :-) > >On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Alejandro Imass >wrote: > >> Use M5 Hosting. They are FBSD friendly and offer outstanding and human >> support. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to >"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 23:45:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A75106566C; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433158FC08; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so687012qwi.13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=J/VBCUt5lmARSDpSXB7UhJfoX2VqqnJ9dq1Zb7+b8MI=; b=JcFHbyOPcpAFtP92NMMoICxBWC1iesmOujIpS1+g87DcubkHefnxLD5ju5hsBnCboK 1pjpPgYZjIYUrtrzR8e2dXD9wEpERHlNnaEdDV1LXcco3e+NTUdsM+TAbiZwROmAk62N SW1DbiPCyvj8ozh1SwL4eQuMPhPNVViAcZaVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=tOyk9Rrdb8lVqHgJVwvUEGQHyc4ntKR2ilRmDcCiq8wGnu7W8/a0QKHHuDreIhuj0+ QEZfoMKt+K2Hq5RsbJqzO4QUGg8K1Bk5Wa2FWjYeq6eWCLsHp+nOcht7w5X/Tgjgk314 5spoZBuMorAKuSTIX8ci2gWsfPnPiZDIhoUlI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.83.208 with SMTP id g16mr3557984qcl.40.1289691945490; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.20.83 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:45:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <350357563-1289691142-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-189470517-@bda115.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: dalescott@shaw.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD , Alejandro Imass , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Tom Worster Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Rackspace Could X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:45:46 -0000 > > What do feel are the advantages of the cloud? > It costs more money. So the advantage is that it stimulates the economy. :-P From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 23:51:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC01F1065670 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5208FC0C for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-101-204.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.101.204] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PHPj7-0000Vj-D0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:41:46 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:51:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:51:29 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101113235128.GC2428@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20101106190934.GB67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101106200239.00004b64@unknown> <20101106203213.GC13095@guilt.hydra> <20101106225446.GC67566@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107101750.00006bd2@unknown> <20101107174106.GB77433@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101107185845.66745df2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20101107205122.GE17565@guilt.hydra> <20101107215432.GA2204@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FsscpQKzF/jJk6ya" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101112181608.GB40062@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: uzbl X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 23:51:34 -0000 --FsscpQKzF/jJk6ya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 12 November 2010: > On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 01:54:32PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > >=20 > > How do you start uzbl? It installed fine for me, but I keep getting co= re > > dumps when I run it. There is no 'uzbl' anywhere in the path, so I tri= ed > > 'uzbl-browser' and 'uzbl-tabbed'. For 'uzbl-browser' it brings up the > > initial screen OK, but typing 'fl' crashes it. >=20 > I thought I had responded to this, but apparently I had not. Sorry about > that. >=20 > I'm not sure why you are having these problems. I guess I would suggest > talking to someone in the #uzbl channel on freenode. When I installed > uzbl, the uzbl-core and uzble-browser commands worked great. Getting > uzbl-tabbed took a little more doing, because a dependency (py-gtk) was > not yet installed. >=20 > By the way, it seems that uzbl-tabbed is a little rudimentary. It > actually lacks some of uzbl-browser's capabilities, and lacks some basic > stuff you'd expect a tabbed browser to have (like a single command or > click approach to opening a link in a new tab). >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Well, it looks like 'make deinstall clean install clean' took care of it. I don't know what could have hiccupped the first time, but oh well. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --FsscpQKzF/jJk6ya Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3ySAAAoJEIpckszW26+RwdYIAItq/sJXNiw+S3dwtJpBocMS 44zpFvJb8XELvcQ49u54sZl9TQSoqXx5F9An90gh+gKbcGeQq9wX/VpUovHKuBbk jEK1K/WNyP3Xhx/HfzZFcmz+NsqnmnCZh4LMly+3YTcabg/vZKVqZcHMpZ4NOXzz 1sHVZXeW6+LkznM0X3Vf8HyVdW9jEuc7ZADbHVbVcDz8EEQ/QFJDDQmv0weVa01H U7R6cdDqFwcJvA3DyC9t172dejsObqwvw+JdaCFj0QBUf+9R1u30XhyVPD/cmOrm lkv0EQAcsjoaRATkPWcPtLdUmb6np3jZ8rF7eB+NUDU9A8p1JLkFgDIQ4q7N6jQ= =lHPz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FsscpQKzF/jJk6ya--