From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG  Wed Jul  7 16:22:43 2010
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG>
Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34])
	by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090B8106567C
	for <freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org>;
	Wed,  7 Jul 2010 16:22:43 +0000 (UTC)
	(envelope-from sektie@gmail.com)
Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com
	[209.85.212.54])
	by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B698C8FC30
	for <freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org>;
	Wed,  7 Jul 2010 16:22:42 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6so9853369vws.13
	for <freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org>;
	Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
	h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received:date
	:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type;
	bh=5MJwxQESsuNk3NMidcrrAZ7mKsRYzQPom73P0ChfVFw=;
	b=kxNVRIPPWl350hd7rlwOp7luSaUxRk+40PPdMYMJ3VJOnGzNpkKnEWLbS30kEmnQHN
	eIvHUsLLBHK8LwOPfeJ9/rOa/oa5cnpLq7Cyo7pJlam0Lr8SVG2d4f6gce+Tq11dyHpn
	dOjO19mXtMG76FhLyGTOr9ABwKAYsXOjtsm8s=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
	h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject
	:from:to:content-type;
	b=F3rwq7CvYMF4dpnsUqlTFubxhU7MU5qMnU4cSWR/7bq1+TuP7eDPlKS3UqFPLJ83L4
	QOWphqj3YhX0ezlRD0DYf5ZoV6tlXXgHnccqlkX4ZPneUXNLGbxRAbBsPKcITOn6a3K/
	UefVq9MLW454aOZ9nP+/jLxTDOg/ETwnNbuZQ=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.220.129.13 with SMTP id m13mr3532260vcs.272.1278519750859; 
	Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: sektie@gmail.com
Received: by 10.220.174.42 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:22:30 -0700
X-Google-Sender-Auth: N2xhFYBhAWgzg5CG8AMIDhyfzt0
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrd3KVQOIZ-k6fOkidZX2QWVI85lSjzAzEqwbI@mail.gmail.com>
From: Randi Harper <randi@freebsd.org>
To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Subject: Removing upgrade
X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Sysinstall Work <freebsd-sysinstall.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sysinstall>, 
	<mailto:freebsd-sysinstall-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-sysinstall>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-sysinstall-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sysinstall>, 
	<mailto:freebsd-sysinstall-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 16:22:43 -0000

The way sysinstall handles upgrade is really messy - we have a list of
files that we don't update, and everything else just gets overwritten.
There's bugs in this process (I believe we lose named.conf, among
other thing), and I'm all for pushing users to learn the correct way
to do things, such as freebsd-update. From what I've been reading on
twitter/mailing lists/blog posts, it's mostly new users that are
upgrading through sysinstall. We should update the documentation to
reflect the single easy upgrade path being through freebsd-update
along with detailed instructions on how to do so, if they don't
already exist.

Proposing this patch:

http://deviant.freebsdgirl.com/~randi/sysinstall_no_upgrade.diff

Speak up now against it or forever hold your peace. If this gets
committed, there may be some pushback from the community.

-- randi