From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:19:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE55106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:19:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D140F8FC13 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so11976189fxm.13 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/SHLAD2VTb21drVaLBYD2DUc3ToH20IPZVhwd4z4Aoo=; b=dqguIK6/IiZLUygocEsb/lljd8cDR9AV+qeFSIqdU9itl+exGBfPd0GRIiiRi6bx5m GSNMqMCfOaL3SVAgcy+884hb8IVEw+5F2Q+6A9g8oBHMD9LPi/ibH/FxpdsU/5UFd3T4 d+MmjC3x/p/6xpX2y1Bfp4oe2JuYFzmVDlpFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=xPnAfvZglO4OAOAIsksgyP0UfX+4lIq30NF4nx9/P07mcqJusD6SPBF7fEQUfGpIOo +HIGmLDewWtS0+knFoox1QVLFJ1m09G1Cye/3whO6HsazxjwjvLvuNjUi+7EC6XLv//E MMj7H0lOkK8Gr8DC4GOsQ9rrgpdULDe7uO2Bo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.72 with SMTP id v8mr1790105fal.70.1293841179746; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:19:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:19:39 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:19:41 -0000 On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > >> Thanks in advance, for any input. >> >> Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're > where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your > mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in it, > not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway. > Well yes Xen is a hypervisor, a type 1 and your OS needs to be specifically modified to run as a Dom0 or a paravirtualized DomU. What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively slower, > but about the best for what it is. Whatever that means. Vbox is just as fast as Xen for most applications give or take a little depending on what you're doing. About the only place Xen can beat out Vbox is with in networking performance with a guest using the virtio driver, however since I've not tested the newer Vbox which is supposed to better performance there. It's pretty hard to get accurate meaningful benchmarks across a variety of hosts/guests/usage styles, but generally speaking Xen, KVM, and Vbox are in the same performance league despite the differences in hypervisors(Vbox and KVM are fairly similar here). VBox guests may also have significantly better IO performance. Xen's advantage now days lies in it's pci-pass-through support and all the tools built for using/managing it. I think KVM may have pci pass-through support too, but haven't messed with it. A lot of the tools support is more abstracted as well with things like libvirt. I like Vbox on FreeBSD for several reasons, but one of the main benefits is using ZVOL's as the storage backend. You get a lot of the ZFS goodies in your VM that way. You can create scripts to automate your functions, everything done in the GUI can be done in the CLI and more. http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:29:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805771065672 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:29:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4878FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.193]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6685C5C21; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:34:51 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:26:29 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:29:58 -0000 On 01/01/11 10:19, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Da Rock > > wrote: > > On 01/01/11 02:34, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > > Thanks in advance, for any input. > > Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think > you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will > change your mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to > be able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on > it anyway. > > > Well yes Xen is a hypervisor, a type 1 and your OS needs to be > specifically modified to run as a Dom0 or a paravirtualized DomU. > > What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively > slower, but about the best for what it is. > > > Whatever that means. Vbox is just as fast as Xen for most > applications give or take a little depending on what you're doing. > About the only place Xen can beat out Vbox is with in networking > performance with a guest using the virtio driver, however since I've > not tested the newer Vbox which is supposed to better performance > there. It's pretty hard to get accurate meaningful benchmarks across > a variety of hosts/guests/usage styles, but generally speaking Xen, > KVM, and Vbox are in the same performance league despite the > differences in hypervisors(Vbox and KVM are fairly similar here). > VBox guests may also have significantly better IO performance. > > > Xen's advantage now days lies in it's pci-pass-through support and all > the tools built for using/managing it. I think KVM may have pci > pass-through support too, but haven't messed with it. A lot of the > tools support is more abstracted as well with things like libvirt. > > I like Vbox on FreeBSD for several reasons, but one of the main > benefits is using ZVOL's as the storage backend. You get a lot of the > ZFS goodies in your VM that way. You can create scripts to automate > your functions, everything done in the GUI can be done in the CLI and > more. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html > Benchmarks were taken on comparatively similar platforms with the same hardware with the same battery of tests- although not all could be run in all cases (I'll try and find the link again if I can). Xen guest was found to be as close to running on bare hardware, whilst VBox and KVM were about a quart slower. Each of those had their strengths and weaknesses, though. I'd recommend VBox too- but anyone know the status of USB support on FreeBSD? That and RDP would be good. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:34:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93ED106573A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:34:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533E68FC1E for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYpQ9-0003As-DH for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:34:09 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:34:09 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:34:09 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:37:10 -0500 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <20101229120038.3DFB0106591A@hub.freebsd.org> <20101230133126.O36121@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:34:11 -0000 Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 343, Issue 5, Message: 10 > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:02:45 -0500 Chris Brennan > wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Michael Powell > > wrote: > > > > > Try zeroing out the mbr: > > > > > > Boot a LiveFS CD, then at a root prompt do: > > > > > > sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 and: > > > > > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adx oseek=1 bs=512 count=1 > > > > > > where x equals your drive number. This will zero out any old MBR. > > Er, no, Mike. The MBR is in sector 0 of the disk; that would zero out > sector 1 as oseek=1 skips over sector 0. What's in sector 1 depends on > how/whether the disk is sliced. In a 'dangerously dedicated' (unsliced) > disk like a memory stick perhaps, this would usually be /boot/boot1 and > include the bsdlabel. In a sliced disk, sectors 1 to 62 are typically > unused, the first slice usually starting at sector 63. > > t23% fdisk -s ad0 > /dev/ad0: 232581 cyl 16 hd 63 sec > Part Start Size Type Flags > 1: 63 8385867 0x0b 0x00 > 2: 8385930 125821080 0xa5 0x80 > 3: 134207010 33543342 0xa5 0x00 > 4: 167750730 66685815 0xa5 0x00 > > If you really want to zero out sector 0, leave out the oseek (or use > oseek=0) - but you're better off using 'fdisk -Bi' to init a new disk. > Yes - true enough. Was thinking partition table and typed 'mbr'. > Mmm .. it's not clear from Chris' original message exactly what he did. In my case, a temporary replacement disk had FreeBSD 6.2 on it. Something changed wrt to disklabeling on the way to 8-Release and the old 6.2 being present created a situation where that region on the disk was invisible to the new labeling and wouldn't write out. A new install of 8-Release (sysinstall) would error out with the same message as Chris when it came to the point of writing out to the disk. For me, the above 2 commands fixed my situation. Even though his error is the same, I think his problem may be different from mine. -Mike [snip] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:44:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DA51065672 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net) Received: from mail.mgwigglesworth.net (mail.mgwigglesworth.com [75.146.26.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DDC8FC0A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:44:19 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:44:09 -0500 Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> From: "Martes G Wigglesworth" Received: from devsecure.mgwigglesworth.net (192.168.5.10 [192.168.5.10]) by mail.mgwigglesworth.net; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:40:29 -0500 Organization: M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc13 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:44:20 -0000 On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote: > Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I am currently researching how Xen works. I am finding the top-level information a bit lacking in low-level information. I came across the website with all the objects for Xen, however, I have yet to find implementation or developer information, so I still have some digging to do, obviously. I have downloaded the pdf information, however, I have not gotten far enough into the docs to figure out what is actually needed to have Xen function as it should on FreeBSD. I am also researching the different types or products to figure out what should be my target for the most investigation. > I think you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation > will > change your mind.FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be > able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway. I am still premature in my research of this platform, so I am still trying to figure out what is done by the Xen implementation that is not within the indigenous OS. (I assume that it encapsulates environments as would be needed for true virtual private services.) Thanks for the dialogue, I am still very much premature in my research of this "virtualization appliance" project that I thought up for my environment, and it is nice to see some feedback. -- Respectfully, Martes G Wigglesworth M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC www.mgwigglesworth.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:57:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D8D106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net) Received: from mail.mgwigglesworth.net (mail.mgwigglesworth.com [75.146.26.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33388FC17 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:57:32 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:56:58 -0500 Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> Message-ID: <4D1E7BDA.3080909@mgwigglesworth.net> From: "Martes G Wigglesworth" Received: from devsecure.mgwigglesworth.net (192.168.5.10 [192.168.5.10]) by mail.mgwigglesworth.net; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:53:19 -0500 Organization: M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc13 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:57:33 -0000 Just wanted to clarify: I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep forgetting to use the correct terminology. sorry about that. I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a hypervisor-aware dom0 Operating system. I may want to check on what I am really trying to do. I really just want to have a fair, and/or encapsulation of jailed environments. Is there really no other way to do this without running VBox? Has anyone ever investigated a fair resource manager for jails on BSD before? (I know this is probably a huge undertaking, but I figured that was the only third option that I came up with, prior to emailing the list...) -- Respectfully, Martes G Wigglesworth M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC www.mgwigglesworth.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 00:57:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E922C10656C7 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B348FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 00:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.193]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D35C21 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:02:48 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D1E7B40.7010608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:54:24 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> In-Reply-To: <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:57:55 -0000 On 01/01/11 10:44, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > > On 12/31/2010 07:26 PM, Da Rock wrote: >> Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? > I am currently researching how Xen works. I am finding the top-level > information a bit lacking in low-level information. > > I came across the website with all the objects for Xen, however, I > have yet to find implementation or developer information, so I still > have some digging to do, obviously. > > I have downloaded the pdf information, however, I have not gotten far > enough into the docs to figure out what is actually needed to have Xen > function as it should on FreeBSD. > > I am also researching the different types or products to figure out > what should be my target for the most investigation. >> I think you're where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation >> will >> change your mind.FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be >> able to run in it, not the other way around. Have a read up on it >> anyway. > > I am still premature in my research of this platform, so I am still > trying to figure out what is done by the Xen implementation that is > not within the indigenous OS. (I assume that it encapsulates > environments as would be needed for true virtual private services.) > > Thanks for the dialogue, I am still very much premature in my research > of this "virtualization appliance" project that I thought up for my > environment, and it is nice to see some feedback. > Have you checked the Xen site? Its actually a Citrix product if that helps. It gets confusing I know- check out wikipedia as well. That will help I think. And the Xen site (if I remember correctly) is designed with EU's- in mind not high-level CTO's jargon. For a start though, something like VMWare and VirtualBox run as an app on a host (like FBSD). Xen actually runs on the hardware and the guests run on it. Hence the only project for FreeBSD is for dom0- as special emulated cpu on Xen. Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS because it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go through the host OS first to get something, so it slows them down just a bit, though the kernel modules help that quite a bit. HTH clear the fog a bit :) But definitely check out the Xen site- you can even download the iso to test. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 01:07:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A143106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:07:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB26A8FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.193]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291865C21 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:12:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D1E7D8C.7060606@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:04:12 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7BDA.3080909@mgwigglesworth.net> In-Reply-To: <4D1E7BDA.3080909@mgwigglesworth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:07:45 -0000 On 01/01/11 10:56, Martes G Wigglesworth wrote: > > Just wanted to clarify: > > I do understand that Xen runs under the dom0 OS however, I keep > forgetting to use the correct terminology. > > sorry about that. > > I guess the requirement is that FreeBSD needs kernel work to run as a > hypervisor-aware dom0 Operating system. > > I may want to check on what I am really trying to do. > > I really just want to have a fair, and/or encapsulation of jailed > environments. > > Is there really no other way to do this without running VBox? > > Has anyone ever investigated a fair resource manager for jails on BSD > before? > > (I know this is probably a huge undertaking, but I figured that was > the only third option that I came up with, prior to emailing the list...) > Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you more about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some devices within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to access it. And finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might be useful- especially in CPU allocation. Jails will run faster than VBox (or qemu, or VMWare), you're basically running a specific system which puts it in the same category as Xen without the Vt stuff so it will run on any hardware you choose. Thats a very good start anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 01:09:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A961065695 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E738FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so11988193fxm.13 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:09:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=27qkoNrUsWwtBjHW62Fsi2umwDh/7i9+e6h1UohUGiQ=; b=NztnE8zEbwTG1t4XGTIZjN4Qrs96CUVocZ0enKgzvhEi8j2A2neuXuC0R1NBObBq7e bpZ6n0egpJCwv0JhNot1dw8nMeAObhzcAtC/esZe61/pp0OId1leKIiiA9liWxafVIxR HOVvo46BoXJhPpr0SmzA+v5Xu8mhYoonzUJaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=ghTLDBGvJAVt7+VhwuuoqyoMbk/JiCzBKLa/Dscm3IEwWHnL5vzZWVMfLUAh/HTg+q l3qEGG3aqR3AYnbs33R78vAY3+M+8I0NhDAews1PRIzp9S67vIJrjgIxm4deAvid5X54 Z2+RMYz6FewIsnjfyoRuWuHx3p04WaChzcqEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.95.202 with SMTP id e10mr4054303fan.32.1293844184247; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:09:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D1E7B40.7010608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7B40.7010608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:09:44 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:09:46 -0000 On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > > Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS because > it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have to go through the > host OS first to get something, so it slows them down just a bit, though the > kernel modules help that quite a bit. > Please quit spouting this nonsense. He's asking for facts not uninformed opinions. In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests run in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are functionally equivalent. If you're actually interested in learning more, Randal L. Schwartz posted a great interview with some Virtualbox devs awhile ago that gave detailed technical info. This is best recent benchmark I see, but it's still old. http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/virtualization/1-virtual-machines-performance-comparison.html IMO it's particularly unfair to Xen with such an old version. Xen 4 is much better. So in regards to the OP's questions, Vbox is your only viable alternative is you want to run FreeBSD as the host. HRL is supposed to be coming down the pipe, but I think we're at least a year away. http://wiki.freebsd.org/Hierarchical_Resource_Limits -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 01:17:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D3A106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:3080::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA3E8FC08 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C50E857D7; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:17:07 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Adam Vande More References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7B40.7010608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.17.17.19; tzolkin = 11 Cauac; haab = 12 Kankin Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:17:07 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Adam Vande More's message of "Fri, 31 Dec 2010 19:09:44 -0600") Message-ID: <86vd294e3w.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Da Rock Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:17:08 -0000 >>>>> "Adam" == Adam Vande More writes: Adam> Please quit spouting this nonsense. He's asking for facts not Adam> uninformed opinions. In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests Adam> run in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are Adam> functionally equivalent. If you're actually interested in Adam> learning more, Randal L. Schwartz posted a great interview with Adam> some Virtualbox devs awhile ago that gave detailed technical info. VirtualBox: http://twit.tv/floss130 Xen: http://twit.tv/floss67 Check'em both out. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 01:27:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4213E106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66318FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.193]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDA15C21; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:32:09 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4D1E8223.1020004@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:23:47 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101227 Thunderbird/3.0.11 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7B40.7010608@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:27:16 -0000 On 01/01/11 11:09, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Da Rock > > wrote: > > > Thats why Xen usually gets rated faster- its not actually on an OS > because it is one. Thats classified as a type 1. The others have > to go through the host OS first to get something, so it slows them > down just a bit, though the kernel modules help that quite a bit. > > > Please quit spouting this nonsense. He's asking for facts not > uninformed opinions. In both type 1 and 2 hypervisiors the guests run > in a protected CPU state(s) and in that regard they are functionally > equivalent. If you're actually interested in learning more, Randal L. > Schwartz posted a great interview with some Virtualbox devs awhile ago > that gave detailed technical info. > You're entitled to your opinion, and the OP is entitled to post without starting a flame. > This is best recent benchmark I see, but it's still old. > > http://www.ilsistemista.net/index.php/virtualization/1-virtual-machines-performance-comparison.html > > IMO it's particularly unfair to Xen with such an old version. Xen 4 > is much better. > > So in regards to the OP's questions, Vbox is your only viable > alternative is you want to run FreeBSD as the host. > > HRL is supposed to be coming down the pipe, but I think we're at least > a year away. > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/Hierarchical_Resource_Limits > > -- > Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 02:28:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C61106566C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net) Received: from mail.mgwigglesworth.net (mail.mgwigglesworth.com [75.146.26.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCCC8FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:28:02 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:27:44 -0500 Envelope-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7BDA.3080909@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7D8C.7060606@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: <4D1E9120.1070604@mgwigglesworth.net> From: "Martes G Wigglesworth" Received: from devsecure.mgwigglesworth.net (192.168.5.10 [192.168.5.10]) by mail.mgwigglesworth.net; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:24:03 -0500 Organization: M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101209 Fedora/3.1.7-0.35.b3pre.fc13 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 02:28:03 -0000 On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote: > Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU > usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell > you more about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some > devices within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to > access it. And finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might > be useful- especially in CPU allocation. I was thinking about possible DoS issues with memory management, however, I have not read far enough into the Jails docs to find out if there is anything new in this arena. I was actually considering the security aspects of memory overflows, etc.... -- Respectfully, Martes G Wigglesworth M. G. Wigglesworth Holdings, LLC www.mgwigglesworth.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 02:52:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0676F106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861EA8FC18 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so12012664fxm.13 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:52:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RHU4kgFRDO1o7XrNgjjALAhPirLjScfFeft28fZP01w=; b=f+uFivizARKFL/nqAQdVFk6FffqJ2joK4jNH14bqfiuAMvcMT2IJaoZKlsIUa/wqRp j2JAZsmwEDq7uClP6ekyBVJvwPkrms6pDfjEn191qFWSir7CEuoNRLHERi+GE4WEcAu2 ixDTSEOTAIwouFaC6WZluSepJ1jxa8RkYD0RY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=EBFFhmbrB0e03YeaFWJg8wlaKboAE6m23mOgFTa9qt7USubzhv1hEpJ5PC1CjEaqb+ iPYptJn3IPLwSpdc2/I+zSXdMkUslvW9o6BHvfjw3o/NujxGS1X4xgvPJgZMjozskmg/ 2ApGSUam0MkRCfwalzvybfjWult6p4NJwGJZs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.85.204 with SMTP id p12mr128326fal.146.1293850373548; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:52:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D1E9120.1070604@mgwigglesworth.net> References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E74B5.8030100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E78D9.6090103@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7BDA.3080909@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E7D8C.7060606@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4D1E9120.1070604@mgwigglesworth.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:52:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 02:52:55 -0000 On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Martes G Wigglesworth < mailinglistmember@mgwigglesworth.net> wrote: > > On 12/31/2010 08:04 PM, Da Rock wrote: > >> Depends on what you mean by 'fair'. I think you can now determine CPU >> usage in jails, even allocate cores. I think the man pages can tell you more >> about that, and the docs on freebsd.org. You can unmask some devices >> within the jail and allow only certain jails and users to access it. And >> finally I think you can jail a jail now, so that might be useful- especially >> in CPU allocation. >> > > I was thinking about possible DoS issues with memory management, however, I > have not read far enough into the Jails docs to find out if there is > anything new in this arena. I was actually considering the security aspects > of memory overflows, etc.... That's why you should read the link I posted which is what the current plan of action to allow jail resource limiting. It's simply not possible currently. There were a couple of different patches for this functionality for 7.x series but aren't supported officially(see wiki jails for more info). You also have to worry about IO and cpu starvation from runaway processes/attacks as well. Cpu issues can be mitigated with cpuset(1) and jails but you have no way to control IO other than renice(8). Xen gives similar cpu ability plus IO bandwidth feature. Virtualbox 4 has smp cpu assignment feature and a new IO bandwidth limiter but is not in ports yet. So as already said, if FreeBSD is your host Virtualbox is your only choice(qemu doesn't count for performance reasons). If Virtualbox does not meet your needs, you'll have to find another OS as jails don't provide the isolation you'll need. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 03:39:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99005106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB6E8FC0A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:39:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from blacky.norwickhouse.net (174-124-57-49.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.57.49] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p0137F6g004290 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:07:16 GMT Message-ID: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:07:14 -0600 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100629 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=XVqAJr2ZWwfBSsdk4FzlBzxyf3pguIMXINWh6VweC0M= c=1 sm=1 a=POVC71qASuQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:17 a=aR16PxjQAAAA:8 a=2A3QLqa23vSvHeNyFV8A:9 a=3By22QY8yNuZpKpz4k4A:7 a=k0u_uRQL1jQSuAUmX0AjBaY8RS0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=CiSHi91Bn78A:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:117 Subject: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 03:39:14 -0000 Happy New Year! I bought a new HP 2010i LCD monitor that is supposed to give me 1600x900 resolution at 60 Hz to replace a generic 19" C.R.T. monitor that did 1024x768. The machine has an ATI Radeon video card and I am using a V.G.A. cable not H.D.M.I. I reconfigured my /etc/xorg.conf using Xorg --configure. I was given the full screen at 1600x900 resolution at the next reboot but then while trying to adjust some monitor settings such as Power Saver and Sleep Timer the screen adjusted to the right and will not center. Adjusting the horizontal control to '0' (full left?) will not center the display. Futzing around, I rebuilt the kernel with; options X86BIOS # x86 real mode BIOS emulator, required by atkbdc/dpms/vesa device vga # VGA video card driver device agp # support several AGP chipsets device dpms # DPMS suspend & resume via VESA BIOS among others. I include these because I believe they are the only options and drivers that would affect video on this particular machine. #>uname -ra FreeBSD ******.************.net 8.1-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p2 #0: Fri Dec 31 11:51:07 CST 2010 michael@******.************.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL_123110 i386 Using PCBSD 8.1 downloaded 10/28/2010 csup'd source and ports 12/31/2010 built KERNEL_123110 today and new world I can get 1024x768 to fill the screen but the icons and text are stretched weird. I also loaded 1280x1024 but on the next reboot the screen shifted right again. /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "record" Load "dbe" Load "glx" Load "dri" Load "dri2" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" #DisplaySize 440 250 # mm Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "HWP" ModelName "HP 2010" HorizSync 24.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 50.0 - 76.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "BusType" # [] #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] #Option "CPusecTimeout" # #Option "AGPMode" # #Option "AGPFastWrite" # [] #Option "AGPSize" # #Option "GARTSize" # #Option "RingSize" # #Option "BufferSize" # #Option "EnableDepthMoves" # [] #Option "EnablePageFlip" # [] #Option "NoBackBuffer" # [] #Option "DMAForXv" # [] #Option "FBTexPercent" # #Option "DepthBits" # #Option "PCIAPERSize" # #Option "AccelDFS" # [] #Option "IgnoreEDID" # [] #Option "CustomEDID" # [] #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] #Option "PanelSize" # [] #Option "ForceMinDotClock" # #Option "ColorTiling" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "RageTheatreCrystal" # #Option "RageTheatreTunerPort" # #Option "RageTheatreCompositePort" # #Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # #Option "TunerType" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # #Option "ScalerWidth" # #Option "RenderAccel" # [] #Option "SubPixelOrder" # [] #Option "ShowCache" # [] #Option "ClockGating" # [] #Option "VGAAccess" # [] #Option "ReverseDDC" # [] #Option "LVDSProbePLL" # [] #Option "AccelMethod" # #Option "DRI" # [] #Option "ConnectorTable" # #Option "DefaultConnectorTable" # [] #Option "DefaultTMDSPLL" # [] #Option "TVDACLoadDetect" # [] #Option "ForceTVOut" # [] #Option "TVStandard" # #Option "IgnoreLidStatus" # [] #Option "DefaultTVDACAdj" # [] #Option "Int10" # [] #Option "EXAVSync" # [] #Option "ATOMTVOut" # [] #Option "R4xxATOM" # [] #Option "ForceLowPowerMode" # [] #Option "DynamicPM" # [] #Option "NewPLL" # [] #Option "ZaphodHeads" # Identifier "Card0" Driver "radeon" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000]" BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1600x900" "1280x1024" "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Section "DRI" Mode 0666 EndSection I do not have a clue what the commented out options above do yet so I have left them that way. Thank You for any advice you might have. Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 05:29:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D52E106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC888FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyf6 with SMTP id 6so5504181eyf.13 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:29:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.119.206 with SMTP id n54mr636200eeh.7.1293859793746; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.124.148 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:29:53 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [64.81.163.112] In-Reply-To: <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4D1E061E.9070306@mgwigglesworth.net> <4D1E68BA.9080001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:29:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I implement true vps with FreeBSD as a host? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 05:29:55 -0000 On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Da Rock wrote: > Have you checked into Xen specifically and how it works? I think you're > where I was at a while ago, and a little investigation will change your > mind. FWIW Xen is a hypervisor, and platforms need to be able to run in it, > not the other way around. Have a read up on it anyway. > > What you want I think is something like VirtualBox- comparatively slower, > but about the best for what it is. The only other in the same league as VBox > is linux-kvm (6:7 between them). It's not entirely true that an OS has to have support for Xen to run under it. It's true for paravirtualized guests. However, if your hardware has VT-x support Xen can do full virtualization. It's not as fast as paravirtualization, but I'm successfully using it on one system to run an unmodified Windows XP installation as a guest OS. What's unique about VirtualBox is it can do full virtualization on old hardware that doesn't have VT-x support. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 06:35:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4EF106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 06:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78408FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 06:35:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from blacky.norwickhouse.net (174-124-57-49.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.57.49] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail929c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p016Z6sl028474 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 06:35:08 GMT Message-ID: <4D1ECB1A.1080201@centurytel.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:35:06 -0600 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100629 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> In-Reply-To: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=E3YmrImrbVzCsewRu2LD0J6o5AgjjaGC6gFBqrQdipw= c=1 sm=1 a=HQw7bNSt654A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:17 a=tIQL28hZAowaBBlsRE0A:9 a=UqAwraj6P1RaYEBdLogA:7 a=izaKfbnbwtuOwIfIbYoqhf-_Mm4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:117 Subject: Re: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:35:10 -0000 On 12/31/2010 21:07, Michael D. Norwick wrote: > Happy New Year! > > I bought a new HP 2010i LCD monitor that is supposed to give me > 1600x900 resolution at 60 Hz to replace a generic 19" C.R.T. monitor > that did 1024x768. The machine has an ATI Radeon video card and I am > using a V.G.A. cable not H.D.M.I. I reconfigured my /etc/xorg.conf > using Xorg --configure. I was given the full screen at 1600x900 > resolution at the next reboot but then while trying to adjust some > monitor settings such as Power Saver and Sleep Timer the screen > adjusted to the right and will not center. Adjusting the horizontal > control to '0' (full left?) will not center the display. > Sorry, I meant to say D.V.I. (cable) not H.D.M.I. Thanks, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 08:20:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089F510656D4 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trance337@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E0A8FC19 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so12398884iwn.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:20:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tcIRDG/TUVRrHGYZ8iNoINwAsDkLAp5Bur9ccglLTNQ=; b=XjOOIQw4XVrHDu7I+erLDhoXyqdRZaveeuTuFAh1tEPim10/uede26vpDQ8Y7miLv5 PqxmkW7Gfl1ET1Su6oaWLgxOwmDG86e+yr6HO0cHSY4Dw/i9XeeoUcukCjdPXZ09IygO AT+tbVQRYUT5QbNjCNZ+6w2oujRNiMn1x4DyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ai29A/dA9q0TFHRhlDbl5lXiCWRdNwfSi5NuqmU7TjNuAOPK+xXyHUjP/Pl2fAZqlR Z0klNZ2hJcR5m51CtsIR6iVdHhzVOOsTlwWOS4MiIB3W5jHEgIDTwMCkBzBfiN+fv5mp O8s6Rkl5680LZNzBbvdKSuVLffKyTtbD3OyDo= Received: by 10.231.36.68 with SMTP id s4mr19215065ibd.178.1293868458242; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.127.0.0] ([199.48.147.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm16239789ibl.12.2010.12.31.23.54.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:54:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D1EDDA2.9020507@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 01:54:10 -0600 From: Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101215 Lightning/1.0b3pre Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: make buildworld errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:20:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Trying to buildworld but it keeps failing. I finally deleted /usr/src and recopyed from a cd then cvsup using standard-supfile. Tried limiting how much ram freebsd uses and only using one stick of ram. All attempts have failed at the same place. Would using the GENERIC kernel make a difference? #make worldclean && make cleandir #make buildworld ===> usr.sbin/ifmcstat (all) cc -O2 -pipe -DINET6 -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -Wsystem-headers - -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/ifmcstat/ifmcstat.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/usr.bin/ifmcstat/ifmcstat.c:170: warning: 'in6_ifinfo' used but never defined *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/ifmcstat. *** Error code 1 #uname -a FreeBSD frogger 8.1-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p1 #0: Sat Nov 27 02:47:28 CST 2010 alert@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MOLLY i386 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNHt2iAAoJEHKqVYG3x59oGG0QAKkUiME+ETJ2vHoIR15vq5FW VIHMtaT9fFv4L9diNkZn/HnB5lWnRQ5O5DxSexn0iv7wDJzU68tArNJHgG1LvzuA 61rcsUEMIpNUJViYlEtzonVibQEoipehTgdjpNuMOcBqqi2tc8U9kN2xKB/pU+sI yds2hNxxId3sSLBRIUwu+bsQqW6xc0LI2nsSZGArY4NxMyYUe5MLl+TUp8uhJNt4 nixJxuOi7eZ6+0MxJd79v1GkWjqVYZGddsiM0GG/5YuC6JUrTAiql3Oa6zsnqDQT 8BZjB3yrHctl77x0FpH2BfuVzlDeA1km1FWxLQIv2ewEHuPiEx0EUbe5oraXYhlb ZlDtNs62MGoRsNl18ZzCxyIYJLDyLy6wsNOGmeuJNDgFxo7HyY+dycQAbmG13tju uGHj4sz1PPsEOzPX5EAt9q0RgkbO715e9y1iFSmfbrD5dCLZM7OlxiUpjK9wLxqC boVzIvD4GRFykR8vm0XAMHA3fc8O/LK7YYSDCxrOL79vtQPFm9IlnMzsZhk6QhfI kEdX+uU8TLbzto8Pi0LvkSCC3nVgkW1yE5NPJa6XxoVXS1zGDaR2jZE5VnFx9NTP wT6MrtEpbDTpix2IuM6JsGXrtsoB58osq+cyVONFn+yIO8w5YvhhfoPWh88GwPqa UOIT+eKHUaexXkjkYmgQ =+sXx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 08:35:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA1910656A5 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sonicy@otenet.gr) Received: from dionisos.otenet.gr (dionisos.otenet.gr [83.235.67.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D628FC16 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pulstar.local (ppp-94-69-83-234.home.otenet.gr [94.69.83.234]) by dionisos.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p018ZIEj029766; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:35:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4D1EE746.7000001@otenet.gr> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:35:18 +0200 From: Manolis Kiagias User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike References: <4D1EDDA2.9020507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1EDDA2.9020507@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildworld errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:35:23 -0000 On 01/01/2011 9:54 ?.?., Mike wrote: > > Trying to buildworld but it keeps failing. I finally deleted /usr/src > and recopyed from a cd then cvsup using standard-supfile. Tried > limiting how much ram freebsd uses and only using one stick of ram. > All attempts have failed at the same place. Would using the GENERIC > kernel make a difference? > You shouldn't have any trouble building world using a custom kernel. Try rm -rf /usr/obj/* before starting the build. This usually solves th From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 10:01:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C551106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE3C8FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-37-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.37.207]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6FF3D739; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:01:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p01A1Vww002558; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:01:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:01:31 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> References: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: cshrc to bashrc?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:01:35 -0000 On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:15:45 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > Anybody know if there is a utility that transforms the /root/.cshrc > into a bash RC file?After decades, I'm giving up on the csh stuff. > Need something simpler. As far as I know, there is no automatic converter for csh -> sh config files. Basically, the C shell has these: - system-wide: /etc/csh.cshrc, /etc/csh.login, /etc/csh.lougout - per user: ~/.cshrc, ~/.login, ~/.logout I'm a csh user for most dialog use, because bash's interactive abilites force too much interaction (especially regarding completition) in the default configuration. But I'm more and more thinking to switch to bash permanently, as soon as I've beaten bash's misbehaviour out of its source code. :-) The system's sh uses /etc/profile and .profile in the same manner. Then there is bash, which I think uses the following files according to "man bash", section FILES: /etc/profile The systemwide initialization file, executed for login shells ~/.bash_profile The personal initialization file, executed for login shells ~/.bashrc The individual per-interactive-shell startup file ~/.bash_logout The individual login shell cleanup file, executed when a login shell exits ~/.inputrc Individual readline initialization file You have to know about the different syntax definition for both file types, but it's relatively easy. setenv ENVNAME envstring -> ENVNAME="envstring"; export ENVNAME -> export ENVNAME="envstring" set VARNAME = 'varstring' -> VARNAME="varstring" alias aliname 'alistring' -> alias aliname="alistring" All the config files allow regular sh coding sequences (such as the use of conditionals or iterators). To get a standard prompt in bash, use this: export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ " It is the equivalent to csh's set promptchars = "%#" set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " Note that csh does automatically use % or # according to the first setting. I'm not sure how bash handles this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 12:01:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3BD10656A6 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15C88FC16 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7DEF4E80E88; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 04:01:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 04:01:41 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110101120141.GA26489@thought.org> References: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: cshrc to bashrc?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:01:43 -0000 I've read about 30% of your email and just have to sack out. It is just past 04:00 and my eyes are starting to glue shut. And hey, once them shut, I'll bang into stuff before I can get to my bed!! More coming tomooor-- Hm. Since this *is* tomorrow, then in around some N hours. S'all, folks! -g On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 11:01:31AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:15:45 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know if there is a utility that transforms the /root/.cshrc > > into a bash RC file?After decades, I'm giving up on the csh stuff. > > Need something simpler. > > As far as I know, there is no automatic converter for csh -> sh > config files. Basically, the C shell has these: > - system-wide: > /etc/csh.cshrc, /etc/csh.login, /etc/csh.lougout > - per user: > ~/.cshrc, ~/.login, ~/.logout > I'm a csh user for most dialog use, because bash's interactive > abilites force too much interaction (especially regarding > completition) in the default configuration. But I'm more and > more thinking to switch to bash permanently, as soon as I've > beaten bash's misbehaviour out of its source code. :-) > > The system's sh uses /etc/profile and .profile in the same > manner. Then there is bash, which I think uses the following > files according to "man bash", section FILES: > > /etc/profile > The systemwide initialization file, > executed for login shells > ~/.bash_profile > The personal initialization file, > executed for login shells > ~/.bashrc > The individual per-interactive-shell startup file > ~/.bash_logout > The individual login shell cleanup file, > executed when a login shell exits > ~/.inputrc > Individual readline initialization file > > You have to know about the different syntax definition for > both file types, but it's relatively easy. > > setenv ENVNAME envstring -> ENVNAME="envstring"; export ENVNAME > -> export ENVNAME="envstring" > > set VARNAME = 'varstring' -> VARNAME="varstring" > > alias aliname 'alistring' -> alias aliname="alistring" > > All the config files allow regular sh coding sequences (such > as the use of conditionals or iterators). > > To get a standard prompt in bash, use this: > > export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ " > > It is the equivalent to csh's > > set promptchars = "%#" > set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " > > Note that csh does automatically use % or # according to the > first setting. I'm not sure how bash handles this. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 15:56:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F401106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E46A8FC14 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so5840567ewy.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.34.203 with SMTP id m11mr12273240ebd.12.1293897404921; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:56:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.28.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:56:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110101120141.GA26489@thought.org> References: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101120141.GA26489@thought.org> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:56:24 -0500 Message-ID: To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: cshrc to bashrc?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:56:46 -0000 > > > Note that csh does automatically use % or # according to the > > first setting. I'm not sure how bash handles this. > man bash and search for PROMPTING, everything you can pass PS1 is there # is \# the command number of this command I don't see how a '%' is handled tho, what does it do is csh? I (or someone else) may know the bash equivalent... C- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 16:25:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978F8106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5BC8FC0A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p01GPTm6092978; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p01GPTl7092975; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Michael D. Norwick" In-Reply-To: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> Message-ID: References: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:25:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:25:33 -0000 On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Michael D. Norwick wrote: > I bought a new HP 2010i LCD monitor that is supposed to give me 1600x900 > resolution at 60 Hz to replace a generic 19" C.R.T. monitor that did > 1024x768. The machine has an ATI Radeon video card and I am using a V.G.A. > cable not H.D.M.I. I reconfigured my /etc/xorg.conf using Xorg --configure. > I was given the full screen at 1600x900 resolution at the next reboot but > then while trying to adjust some monitor settings such as Power Saver and > Sleep Timer the screen adjusted to the right and will not center. Adjusting > the horizontal control to '0' (full left?) will not center the display. ... > Section "Monitor" > #DisplaySize 440 250 # mm > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "HWP" > ModelName "HP 2010" > HorizSync 24.0 - 83.0 > VertRefresh 50.0 - 76.0 > Option "DPMS" > EndSection For a start, remove or comment out the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 16:26:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD39106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1B48FC14 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so5846110ewy.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.34.203 with SMTP id m11mr12290162ebd.12.1293899172406; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 08:26:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.28.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:25:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101229120038.3DFB0106591A@hub.freebsd.org> <20101230133126.O36121@sola.nimnet.asn.au> From: Chris Brennan Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: Michael Powell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: a new hard-drive in a 2y/o laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 16:26:14 -0000 > > Yes - true enough. Was thinking partition table and typed 'mbr'. > > It's all good, I got the cmd right in the end, but alas, it helped me not! > > Mmm .. it's not clear from Chris' original message exactly what he did. > > I clarified that in a subsequent reply with considerably more detail :D > In my case, a temporary replacement disk had FreeBSD 6.2 on it. Something > changed wrt to disklabeling on the way to 8-Release and the old 6.2 being > present created a situation where that region on the disk was invisible to > the new labeling and wouldn't write out. A new install of 8-Release > (sysinstall) would error out with the same message as Chris when it came to > the point of writing out to the disk. For me, the above 2 commands fixed my > situation. Even though his error is the same, I think his problem may be > different from mine. > > -Mike > I have a 2GB MicroSD card that I am going to toss 8.2BETA1 on, hopefully later today and see where that gets me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:02:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE4A1065672 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4BB8FC16 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-37-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.37.207]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EE23D254; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:02:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p01I2OJN001478; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:02:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:02:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chris Brennan Message-Id: <20110101190223.2fda2da6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101120141.GA26489@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , Polytropon , Mailing List , FreeBSD Subject: Re: cshrc to bashrc?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:02:27 -0000 On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:56:24 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: > > > > > Note that csh does automatically use % or # according to the > > > first setting. I'm not sure how bash handles this. > > > > man bash and search for PROMPTING, everything you can pass PS1 is there > > # is \# the command number of this command > > I don't see how a '%' is handled tho, what does it do is csh? I (or someone > else) may know the bash equivalent... The csh and bash config do use differnt "escape sequences" for substitution, such as user name, host name, current directory and "power" (root / non-root). In bash it is \, in csh it is %. You are right, "man bash" does list all the sequences, as well as "man csh". For the standard prompt user@host:~/my/path% _ those are the corresponding codes: Meaning csh bash -------------- ------ ------ user %n \u host %m \h path \w %~ (includes substitution ~) prompt sign %# (# for root, % for non-root) \$ (# for root, $ for non-root) That's why I said csh's set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " equals bash's export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ ", because bash does have a different default prompt (which might not be desired). A literal % can be used for bash's PS1 setting if intended. But it's okay to see $ for bash, and % for csh. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:09:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AAC106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stageline@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5038FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21so6256731gwj.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:08:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0FPrZ3txt+tT2seoDThzLKwuWKlyAaYALMty1dK0Geo=; b=d/ToxKJtYCTTPdoyztHPRpK300EJNu4mag5wMdjFZ3+rqlGQ/GiEHIPngtOGVb3JaC TEL3gS+gaVjdt/z7F018N68kA+22ib+yPZiRrRZ4LFPKBQ1IPETc/jPbdWIm3ZsrNzkX BpZdDjfhzED70kU7LsQC6oGQOKeODfh0irevE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xq6Hmr2M+LfMwCxSyHomiyxLOaziOqZC5n/ANi5MJeWApcfMclKt7NqM9arJKgopjG 4LXSt+oINvgKP83n3ZU+tS1NtnjYpYi4Hqh0sjLxGxyFn/T1/GJPeaA9xovnUD7h4F3m Z7tmexceblGyx1WeutrQ6kkt65BkVg7dDoo7g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.152.6 with SMTP id z6mr11016975and.90.1293905339179; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.65.20 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:08:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101206184325.2330.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> References: <20101206184325.2330.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: Gabor Illo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:09:00 -0000 Spam? 2010/12/6 > Dear Sir/Madam, > > Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it > to. > For more information on our business please click on the following link: > Click here for our website > We look forward to your continued business in the future. > > Regards, > Webmaster > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:34:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B46E106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF718FC08 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:34:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from blacky.norwickhouse.net (174-124-57-49.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.57.49] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p01IYesm008101 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:34:41 GMT Message-ID: <4D1F73BF.7090506@centurytel.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:34:39 -0600 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100629 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=R01sVMDNjbNhvcC8XU3DMjW3O4aLU9Ofq1NiLpBMeGs= c=1 sm=1 a=HQw7bNSt654A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:17 a=1t2bNnETVPw8i05NbjsA:9 a=CfJV80_piYgj5bw3eBEA:7 a=8_rVOgGHap937wi3mbKrhB1vxQsA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=7kxGxhHi0jr6GTuHlZLkNQ==:117 Subject: Re: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:34:43 -0000 On 01/01/2011 10:25, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Michael D. Norwick wrote: > >> I bought >> Identifier "Monitor0" >> VendorName "HWP" >> ModelName "HP 2010" >> HorizSync 24.0 - 83.0 >> VertRefresh 50.0 - 76.0 >> Option "DPMS" >> EndSection > > For a start, remove or comment out the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines. > > Okay, closer. Thank You. I commented out the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines restarted the X session and the screen appeared to fill more but I still had a black bar to the left at 1600x900. Going to Computer -> System Settings -> Computer Administration - Display -> Size and Orientation, I found it at; Size 1600x900 Refresh Auto Changed it to Size 1280x1024 Refresh Auto Still no full screen width. In fact it got narrower. Changed it to Size 1440x900 (which had not been an option previously) The screen appeared to resize to the full width of the display and 'Refresh' now shows 59.9 Hz. This is all quite non-intuitive. I won't be pushing any buttons until I understand the effect. I understand why HorizSync and VertRefresh settings would not be necessary for an LCD display but the xserver obviously knows what it's connected to. Why does it set those? And, where are those commented out option lines in my xorg.conf documented? Thank You, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:38:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052D21065670 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0468FC15 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-108-47.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.108.47] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ6LQ-0005cX-LA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:38:25 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:38:28 -0000 --tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of confirming my reputation for asking stupid questions: If a csup only pulls files in /usr/src/sys, is it safe to assume that the only rebuilding steps required are to rebuild and install the kernel? Or is it possible that world could require a rebuild to take advantage of some of those kernel changes? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNH3SeAAoJEIpckszW26+RHXkH/0WLOmvRAlhX3RftqPS2KVHf Pg3a2CiIfVGAsXMOKxLgYxoT7eo42zStB9dXAxJsuXSzcWuNdYVGjCG1IW1Ne+q1 0oGyjS/OrWTNtZB1fL7TCVlfIjGkUSnVInhLiqv0X77dVUeswpsvvTjLlnr1Qskx FHnROh18wpefqpTZKAyyaRg2SwG+mn6/SQsoIVYrOdo3o10ETQ2cCmoBHiVqfEh2 MCM8RjnBE7O9Fc8deKcHAFc0ATf3TJlLVci5Q6gFopC6UWHhTZE/ZU7HmtbgVLZq CQ2j9gkAydzyoLvhpGOu3F2lgoYtEMlmIBOslkj7m6yyHnd15UV8OhdR49XiF4Y= =KUzj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tsOsTdHNUZQcU9Ye-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:51:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED71106566C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7E88FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-37-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.37.207]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FA23D953; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:51:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p01Ipb3E001655; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:51:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:51:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Michael D. Norwick" Message-Id: <20110101195137.1c3ea5cf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4D1F73BF.7090506@centurytel.net> References: <4D1E9A62.1040502@centurytel.net> <4D1F73BF.7090506@centurytel.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP 2010i 1600x900 screen sizing issue - PCBSD 8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:51:39 -0000 On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:34:39 -0600, "Michael D. Norwick" wrote: > And, where are those commented out option lines > in my xorg.conf documented? In the obvious place: "man xorg.conf". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 18:53:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792B9106567A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA7E8FC17 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-37-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.37.207]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF9E3D93D; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:53:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p01IrUw1001659; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:53:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:53:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chip Camden Message-Id: <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:53:32 -0000 On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > At the risk of confirming my reputation for asking stupid questions: > > If a csup only pulls files in /usr/src/sys, is it safe to assume that the > only rebuilding steps required are to rebuild and install the kernel? Or > is it possible that world could require a rebuild to take advantage of > some of those kernel changes? Kernel and world should ALWAYS be in sync, this means you should update the full /usr/src tree, not just its sys/ subtree, as other files, located at a higher level, may be important (such as /usr/src/Makefile). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 19:23:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6811065673 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF768FC19 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-108-47.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.108.47] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ72m-0000dD-Mj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:23:13 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:23:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:23:11 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3yNHWXBV/QO9xKNm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:23:16 -0000 --3yNHWXBV/QO9xKNm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Polytropon on Saturday, 01 January 2011: > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > At the risk of confirming my reputation for asking stupid questions: > >=20 > > If a csup only pulls files in /usr/src/sys, is it safe to assume that t= he > > only rebuilding steps required are to rebuild and install the kernel? = Or > > is it possible that world could require a rebuild to take advantage of > > some of those kernel changes? >=20 > Kernel and world should ALWAYS be in sync, this means you > should update the full /usr/src tree, not just its sys/ > subtree, as other files, located at a higher level, may > be important (such as /usr/src/Makefile). >=20 That wasn't my question. I always do a full csup, but sometimes it only pulls files in /usr/src/sys (because those are the only ones that have changed since my last csup/build). In that case, is a buildworld required? --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --3yNHWXBV/QO9xKNm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNH38fAAoJEIpckszW26+Rl5wH/0hpHRe0ib+NwG5NlLIbn2aB Y7q7+9rs2l9e03Q1EUEIKHwyuOgBsoXDGrOxtMMzbQEB+G3itZ241PoJRCoO6ptb 40tgiE9a4TS/OPe1SGpnVQSto5wuORSSwZag5hSGTXfQVPp8fLte5NlKTLg+otvd SlHxSkoAs569vGvNk880pstS1QGkM9GprMS2ROzJ70RIY1MJRlmPkBn/pdt8CUxM KpK0cmVp4HtBt0mkiavMIUK5V/eUA8Tkn/rivCLiBnZ9ifdfCe9iZgnAf0nPMPaI LY57b78uflISTGRwp3CbvzwtlTzvM2/U0Y/Q9d+2ty0Jab1G7emu8hGl00J5V5M= =empg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3yNHWXBV/QO9xKNm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 19:44:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27836106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0BC8FC0A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-37-207.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.37.207]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A06D1E331; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p01Ji2Mt001998; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Chip Camden Message-Id: <20110101204401.62602973.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:44:05 -0000 On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:23:11 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Polytropon on Saturday, 01 January 2011: > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:38:22 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > At the risk of confirming my reputation for asking stupid questions: > > > > > > If a csup only pulls files in /usr/src/sys, is it safe to assume that the > > > only rebuilding steps required are to rebuild and install the kernel? Or > > > is it possible that world could require a rebuild to take advantage of > > > some of those kernel changes? > > > > Kernel and world should ALWAYS be in sync, this means you > > should update the full /usr/src tree, not just its sys/ > > subtree, as other files, located at a higher level, may > > be important (such as /usr/src/Makefile). > > > > That wasn't my question. I always do a full csup, but sometimes it only > pulls files in /usr/src/sys (because those are the only ones that have > changed since my last csup/build). In that case, is a buildworld > required? If programs or other components of the world do have to be in sync with kernel or system files (sys/*.h), then I conclude that world also has to be compiled. In this regards, it means a change of the kernel, and if the kernel did change, kernel and world are out of sync, which implies that both have to be compiled. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 20:00:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAEB106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA008FC18 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E8DE60D3; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:00:14 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=eVRIzWBjupBJ Z6gOjec/lHU+FtM=; b=LcW3poFp0AErKecEalD3jOBVdrqbEZzWGFqKYF0zXknq lzwc75i2gjvXLesOW7swnKMNGY9rC2+gvLKkJZYpqT05LkzadCQTi6ZDo4ELmmQD mtYM6Pqn2EZuO48MAUfF/IdCk4u8kNUjybBdlCAi5nBWS/xp/0882FMYUChMG5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=E2iyEQ EJhn/iahHuTU8Nsy6Iwj7GarW4N+q7uF4tzbG62feqGNXh9fRDiHpnBmQ0BohWNT IDqWma/pVLNWGvq3MztE2FFkipWYk4+W573D1mpaz5ToMKKCagDI84U1TpPletxT 1NsvfUPtyo4SMe7W7x1Mroala4ocbTB5GszZI= Received: from unknown (client-86-27-23-77.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com [86.27.23.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE8CCE60CC; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:00:11 +0000 From: Bruce Cran To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110101200011.00005459@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110101204401.62602973.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101204401.62602973.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.0; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chip Camden , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:00:15 -0000 On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:01 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > If programs or other components of the world do have to > be in sync with kernel or system files (sys/*.h), then > I conclude that world also has to be compiled. In this > regards, it means a change of the kernel, and if the > kernel did change, kernel and world are out of sync, > which implies that both have to be compiled. The ABI of the kernel sometimes changes, in which case despite there being no changes in world it still needs to be rebuilt against the newer header files. For example, recently: 20101228: The TCP stack has been modified to allow Khelp modules to interact with it via helper hook points and store per-connection data in the TCP control block. Bump __FreeBSD_version to 900029. User space tools that rely on the size of struct tcpcb in tcp_var.h (e.g. sockstat) need to be recompiled. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 20:51:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC327106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from modulok@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EDB8FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so12322910wyf.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:51:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tQigw5nGVBFLoDFM1iSryKn3xs/GHTZWDo2PXTE3nsw=; b=pC0SyRKY9ifZsC8m17jqNBatZhOlOyn7/LknxDSioOil7cWv64MV573+h4ifq9/0t1 F9dMJlkdRwqFP5XrX8qYVUNVpuMOR/hv3pzQpMzUhPQMkLEYCUpzD2ZLlREWP/pw0dMp aBBR55C3WfjkcZiPgPgjgQHgnfw27Ukk0GS7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=cbHv9ZIyNLuc3QcypBKl9In3u2jZ4SeWsCZf7j8MGm6Imhh/1OUpU4ZudFrRmY92l7 5wphCP5IbgBfWn4qXnN4AFDX/XZs3PjhtsVo296CcCD2ekgZf23C2se7tukqNqxQfYje J4sqOl0h57VnEpxI8Bmx2ml0cPuaSDxfzpfms= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.155.145 with SMTP id s17mr10953592wbw.29.1293915084996; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.20.73 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:51:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101206184325.2330.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: Modulok To: Gabor Illo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:51:26 -0000 Probably. I think I've got like 10 of these on and off. -Modulok- On 1/1/11, Gabor Illo wrote: > Spam? > > 2010/12/6 > >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it >> to. >> For more information on our business please click on the following link: >> Click here for our website >> We look forward to your continued business in the future. >> >> Regards, >> Webmaster >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 20:56:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B675D106566B for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C55F8FC0C for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so12302488fxm.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:56:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ECVN1JojQOTV7p4XxbR3sbDwq9AntyiTIKovJisx91g=; b=tczM+RDnbjE1oE4xMIetGZ+GNbOIM4MJgEUEClATNxxf2KhJzaJl1pCy/bWOiS1BNv BDDmJ7WQady8r53/ms0fh8CxAVJn+ijgrTTBC/DWoGjmS1sM40at6rnrv+0yvQGF38f6 2vEyDQWXRRFdOuCVlzBKAYG7wMlno0ye1fvOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=R9FLn0Vs4+zGYcSbNRYN36l0Z+L1ZCYH2ZEJPQhnljKYGC96KbZJvEyBLjoYh7Gx4E TQF3dMF8bIyqBiWxAclCJe1r0FG/sdsW7arDuWudUoW9z6x1BRWwHONEaenTZDBVwOrI D5OtigOh6NSONyK/7o7QUkBaja/m3/3dTibFU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.125.196 with SMTP id z4mr247992far.124.1293915369895; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:56:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.74.193 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:56:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101206184325.2330.qmail@dusk.parklogic.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Gabor Illo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:56:11 -0000 On 1 January 2011 13:08, Gabor Illo wrote: > Spam? > > 2010/12/6 > >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it >> to. >> For more information on our business please click on the following link: >> Click here for our website >> We look forward to your continued business in the future. >> >> Regards, >> Webmaster >> Da. They keep trying on certain threads. One or two a month, for me. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 21:34:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D9E106564A for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979DD8FC08 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 71374E80E9D; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:34:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:34:42 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20110101213442.GB26489@thought.org> References: <20101231211542.GA8373@thought.org> <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110101110131.26d20d64.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: cshrc to bashrc?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:34:44 -0000 On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 11:01:31AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:15:45 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know if there is a utility that transforms the /root/.cshrc > > into a bash RC file?After decades, I'm giving up on the csh stuff. > > Need something simpler. > > As far as I know, there is no automatic converter for csh -> sh > config files. Basically, the C shell has these: > - system-wide: > /etc/csh.cshrc, /etc/csh.login, /etc/csh.lougout > - per user: > ~/.cshrc, ~/.login, ~/.logout > I'm a csh user for most dialog use, because bash's interactive > abilites force too much interaction (especially regarding > completition) in the default configuration. But I'm more and > more thinking to switch to bash permanently, as soon as I've > beaten bash's misbehaviour out of its source code. :-) I didn't/don't know much about bash--other that it seems to be everywhere. Last night I spent several hours using my own hack that translater the csh aliases to bashrc-type aliases. Finally threw in the towel. > > The system's sh uses /etc/profile and .profile in the same > manner. Then there is bash, which I think uses the following > files according to "man bash", section FILES: > > /etc/profile > The systemwide initialization file, > executed for login shells > ~/.bash_profile > The personal initialization file, > executed for login shells > ~/.bashrc > The individual per-interactive-shell startup file > ~/.bash_logout > The individual login shell cleanup file, > executed when a login shell exits > ~/.inputrc > Individual readline initialization file The last one, .inputrc, is a noop to my brain. And yes, I just had my second cup of coffee! IS there any cheatsheet URL that 'splains the readline init'z'n stuff? > > You have to know about the different syntax definition for > both file types, but it's relatively easy. > > setenv ENVNAME envstring -> ENVNAME="envstring"; export ENVNAME > -> export ENVNAME="envstring" > > set VARNAME = 'varstring' -> VARNAME="varstring" > > alias aliname 'alistring' -> alias aliname="alistring" Looks at lot like my zsh usage. > > All the config files allow regular sh coding sequences (such > as the use of conditionals or iterators). > > To get a standard prompt in bash, use this: > > export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ " > > It is the equivalent to csh's > > set promptchars = "%#" > set prompt = "%n@%m:%~%# " > > Note that csh does automatically use % or # according to the > first setting. I'm not sure how bash handles this. > I have always ripped off somebody's prompt and then modified it to what fits my needs. Last night I kept running into problems with the PATH and the aliases. Each re-edit I did I figured it would be just-another-minute before bash worked. Nope, nada, zip. Finally got smart and :quit. -gary > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 21:37:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5088110656AA for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1C88FC14 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p01Lajmb042486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:36:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p01LajIH042485; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06589; Sat, 1 Jan 11 13:32:33 PST Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:32:26 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@edvax.de, bruce@cran.org.uk Message-Id: <4d1f9d6a.0Y9F5EG3I94PNVKJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101204401.62602973.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101200011.00005459@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110101200011.00005459@unknown> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: sterling@camdensoftware.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:37:07 -0000 Bruce Cran wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:01 +0100 > Polytropon wrote: > > If programs or other components of the world do have to > > be in sync with kernel or system files (sys/*.h), then > > I conclude that world also has to be compiled. In this > > regards, it means a change of the kernel, and if the > > kernel did change, kernel and world are out of sync, > > which implies that both have to be compiled. > The ABI of the kernel sometimes changes, in which case despite > there being no changes in world it still needs to be rebuilt > against the newer header files. For example, recently: > > 20101228: > The TCP stack has been modified to allow Khelp modules to > interact with it via helper hook points and store per-connection > data in the TCP control block. Bump __FreeBSD_version to 900029. > User space tools that rely on the size of struct tcpcb in tcp_var.h > (e.g. sockstat) need to be recompiled. IIUC, things like that are supposed to happen only within -CURRENT, not within a -STABLE or security branch. I would surmise that, if a csup yielded changes only in /usr/src/sys and none of those changes touched a .h file, it should not be necessary to rebuild world. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 22:01:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FFB1065672 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653088FC12 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p01M15eM044556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p01M159Z044555 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA06652; Sat, 1 Jan 11 13:57:52 PST Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:57:45 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: broken link in libgeom(3) manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:01:05 -0000 The SEE ALSO section of libgeom(3) in 8.1-RELEASE is a link: http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/blueprints.html That link brings up the daemonnews.org homepage, not the intended article. A search for geom on that page retrieves 53 articles, none of which seem even vaguely related. Does anyone know where the article can be found? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 22:14:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 07C021065672; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:14:06 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Message-ID: <20110101221406.GA54772@freebsd.org> References: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken link in libgeom(3) manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:14:06 -0000 On Sat Jan 1 11, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > The SEE ALSO section of libgeom(3) in 8.1-RELEASE is a link: > > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/blueprints.html > > That link brings up the daemonnews.org homepage, not the intended > article. A search for geom on that page retrieves 53 articles, > none of which seem even vaguely related. > > Does anyone know where the article can be found? this was already fixed by r216177, but not yet MFC'ed to stable/8. so it looks like 8.2 will also ship with this defective reference. cheers. alex -- a13x From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 22:15:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1B51065695 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF33F8FC1D for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so12325577fxm.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yvNELlFqiruNLN8GPHp3TCK4MpiJP/HR1TuEGJFkzFs=; b=hV8GTAcn8L4Rez541QKBxXYUI5iSWyzB7ubklX4gvLmzh4nhwQ14cjmfX42ICeIYVq XFcAWO4+gDIRX7la61CIqAZQLJgXttoU1GbwUAdGDsHJi6f6L2G+LMjSXRyN0evOsQeC gvAqKf3QBSklUtP/h2lR3YjfGaf9a3zuDxJVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=UtKOtRONtiv9mVBQW79Gv5M3giX0S0ANSPBh4BpApWx8Gu/ujKR98CZ2FG7p0/rPwR AxAw9kmpFjtev/9VYR17b0qrLlosa364TEqJFDOtOaRWDAa22xfqlIbZSVYAFEJhEiab tDy9OHmfg6b5SGmcRJm1DhdyepoHqjkL7Zl8U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.116.1 with SMTP id k1mr2288025faq.51.1293920106523; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:15:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken link in libgeom(3) manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:15:08 -0000 On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > The SEE ALSO section of libgeom(3) in 8.1-RELEASE is a link: > > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/blueprints.html > > That link brings up the daemonnews.org homepage, not the intended > article. A search for geom on that page retrieves 53 articles, > none of which seem even vaguely related. > > Does anyone know where the article can be found? > This the closest I can find. http://web.archive.org/web/20030820203226/ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/ so maybe phk@ would be able to help further. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 22:18:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D851065693 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4725C8FC08 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16so12326381fxm.13 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5R6MYm9blJdIQqeu5oLcfJQqjY2HVirkd3X1mVujJpI=; b=bHpuJf2UJ148RfaiK+m5DgWS1hGTMDtw2cnTq1LDjPXtv4KDDA1X/eQVpYpl+tStlW FgtUUwTh3vTqVgImyUZyNDpQsBBFS70GgUkyvgIgJbWJCcLb8D8tzPpABbA5Y9uD0Tgt NsSn45cYm0u07sC4DxU0tyNSZ/9aFp7hEXDMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=UftT1LuY06199VbyH9pRisw/ri69wXyR5QHPk+GWkITVa1S1aQr27xDhAJNhgruE2B NVR+q/hi5cUjVhIifMA3B+8Sa3kGOcSsX25rWAB1nE3vv4ZyeaVVW8YecNBvNTOvDqx+ h0DtL7vm1dtMV9EMU7tgguSYi3LNI/OtyITEI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.106.129 with SMTP id x1mr5378745fao.13.1293920328427; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.114.4 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4d1fa359.HmAx6dXSxFT4O0Ci%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 16:18:48 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken link in libgeom(3) manpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:18:49 -0000 On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > >> The SEE ALSO section of libgeom(3) in 8.1-RELEASE is a link: >> >> http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/blueprints.html >> >> That link brings up the daemonnews.org homepage, not the intended >> article. A search for geom on that page retrieves 53 articles, >> none of which seem even vaguely related. >> >> Does anyone know where the article can be found? >> > > This the closest I can find. > > http://web.archive.org/web/20030820203226/ezine.daemonnews.org/200308/ > > so maybe phk@ would be able to help further. > > Ah, here is a pdf of it. Unsure on any copyright problems though. http://gwdu111.gwdg.de/misc/dnews/dnews_0305.pdf -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 1 23:23:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562011065675 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 23:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh2.interactivevillages.com (wh2.interactivevillages.com [75.125.250.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A20F8FC08 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 23:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 174-21-108-47.tukw.qwest.net ([174.21.108.47] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh2.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZAnF-0000PS-1q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:23:26 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:23:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:23:24 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110101232324.GF66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110101183822.GB66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101195330.41ca6a26.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101192311.GE66527@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20110101204401.62602973.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110101200011.00005459@unknown> <4d1f9d6a.0Y9F5EG3I94PNVKJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XaUbO9McV5wPQijU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d1f9d6a.0Y9F5EG3I94PNVKJ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh2.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com Subject: Re: csup and build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:23:30 -0000 --XaUbO9McV5wPQijU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth perryh@pluto.rain.com on Saturday, 01 January 2011: > Bruce Cran wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:44:01 +0100 > > Polytropon wrote: > > > If programs or other components of the world do have to > > > be in sync with kernel or system files (sys/*.h), then > > > I conclude that world also has to be compiled. In this > > > regards, it means a change of the kernel, and if the > > > kernel did change, kernel and world are out of sync, > > > which implies that both have to be compiled. > > The ABI of the kernel sometimes changes, in which case despite > > there being no changes in world it still needs to be rebuilt > > against the newer header files. For example, recently: > > > > 20101228: > > The TCP stack has been modified to allow Khelp modules to > > interact with it via helper hook points and store per-connection > > data in the TCP control block. Bump __FreeBSD_version to 900029. > > User space tools that rely on the size of struct tcpcb in tcp_var.h > > (e.g. sockstat) need to be recompiled. >=20 > IIUC, things like that are supposed to happen only within -CURRENT, > not within a -STABLE or security branch. >=20 > I would surmise that, if a csup yielded changes only in /usr/src/sys > and none of those changes touched a .h file, it should not be necessary > to rebuild world. OK, that's about what I had thought. Thanks to all three of you for responding. Obviously, the safe choice is to always rebuild world if anything changes. But if I see that only a couple of .c files in the kernel have been touched, then rebuilding only kernel should be OK in stable -- I think. The only possible gotcha would b= e if something in the kernel gets compiled to a library that world uses, or if something in world includes a .c file from kernel for some reason. --=20 Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterling@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips= .com --XaUbO9McV5wPQijU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNH7dsAAoJEIpckszW26+ReF8H/1KCNB1SG6WcVx83azNDQ3DI VvgBuBnaYsQM8WVFWxEssHNceVOiokrfb5FUFQ3erMK2JElXaJI6oR9eJ+D1AgMA V+Sd3NtWdlZJ68PtdBtWGQC8tCA5KUR6E7jfBJl3X4nWz5YprDrFpJ9+b+AVL0RF Y+7S0tYGZTCN0L9hmdNOcwmQQOjYb/12mnkL4rDZKtNGakJMJU8EB0k+b5HMGnxh vhF7uXCee/YJpArSha1oCD4b/yt6YzDezPcrbiDpjLYXgJVXHE5LntC89GBpE/ih ZO0XV/jXmPTITf74kP2ZI0F1suNY0b4spTrPyy6ufX9Jp5uVZBVxVjzrrjxq5Bo= =HdnW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XaUbO9McV5wPQijU--